Jazz to Return in Transformers 2!

[Avangarde]

http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12065

Could it be? :eek:

[Kable24]

Well "IF" Jazz is in the sequel, I would think that it would be in possible flashback scenes or when they were originally on Cybertron.

[Radford]

i hope he returns but who knows.

[The Joker_1000]

It could happen but it'd have to be an interesting way for him to return. It'll probably be in a flashback scene.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I seriously hope he does return, he was awesome in the first movie and the scene were he confronts Megatron is possibly my favourite scene of the movie.

BUT, i hope they do it in a way were it is only a one-time thing, because i dont want characters dying and coming back willy nilly throughout the series.

[Avangarde]

That is true about the flash backs, didn't think about that, but if its on Cybertron then they wont speak english therefore Darius wont have a roll as a VA. About the resurrection of Jazz, if it is planed for Megs then whats stopping Jazz from geting the same treatment?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I see your point, but i dont want people getting killed and then resurrected throughout the series, if they bring Jazz and Meg's back, then that should be IT for the series. I do want them both to come back, they are 2 of my favourite characters in the movie.

Anymore would be getting ridiculous.

[Avangarde]

Aye, I do see your point, thats what annoyed me with Dragonball Z how pointless death was if they were just wished back with the balls. It would also lessen the motto of Sams family "no sacrifice, no victory" or something like that.

[William_C]

I hope we see Jazz in the form of flashbacks on Cybertron, and all though its a long shot, I hope he still has his sense of humor and style with him. Doesnt exactly have to talk with the slang and what not, but just a hint of ol' Jazz.

But if they do bring him back fully I'll be happier

[Jake Cassidy]

If this happens, he better be a porche.

[SodaPop]

I think they will bring back Jazz, but as Hot Rod. Think about it. They're almost one and the same and it isn't too farfetched.

[Jake Cassidy]

Jazz and Hot Rod are nothing alike. Besides, that would be a stupid idea.

[Cagefighterkip]

How about they all die (besides Optimus) in the intro... making Optimus want to go get revenge and take down the Decepticons?

[The Joker_1000]

No, that's a dumb idea.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Aye, I do see your point, thats what annoyed me with Dragonball Z how pointless death was if they were just wished back with the balls. It would also lessen the motto of Sams family "no sacrifice, no victory" or something like that.

Exactly, if people keep coming back, then the death scene's in the TF movies will be meaningless, and i dont want that to happen, to me, Jazz dying was very sad, he is possibly my favourite Autobot in the movie, so i will make an exception if he comes back :cwink: .

And i think its almost guaranteed that Megatron will return.

[The Joker_1000]

Megatron should be the only one to return because he is a major villain. Yes, we all love Jazz but he shouldn't return. It's pointless for characters to die if they are only going to come back for the next movie. Megatron should come back but Jazz should stay dead. However, I am in favor of another Autobot being introduce in the next movie.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know what you are saying, and my head agrees with it so much, but in my heart, i REALLY want Jazz to return, any Autobot who can take a beating from Megatron, and still have the nerve to say to him "Is that all you got Megatron" should be seen more IMO.

[The Joker_1000]

I understand you 100% & I know how much you want him to return, but I don't see it happening nor should it. It'd defeat the whole purpose of someone dying. Only one person should be resurrected & that one person should be Megatron because he's a major villain. In my opinion, if Megatron is resurrected he should come back bigger, stronger, & more beastial.

[Avangarde]

I guess Jazz could be reformatted in some way, but he still wouldn't be Jazz IMO :(

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I understand you 100% & I know how much you want him to return, but I don't see it happening nor should it. It'd defeat the whole purpose of someone dying. Only one person should be resurrected & that one person should be Megatron because he's a major villain. In my opinion, if Megatron is resurrected he should come back bigger, stronger, & more beastial.

I know what you mean but the actor who voices Jazz has said on numerous occasions he may be coming back, and this has got my hopes up, so i am desperate to see him back, and want to see him kick some ass this time also.

But we'll see.

[Chris B]

He got so little screen time in the first film, so I wouldn't mind seeing him brought back. But like it has already been said, I think bringing him back could create sense that the TF's dont stay dead, which I think could make any future deaths meaningless.

Still, if they plan on bringing him back, I wonder why they killed him off in the first place? As I've said before, I feel that Bay should've waited until TF2 before killing off any of the Autobots. But if they had to do it, then I think Ironhide would've made more sense since I think he was the most characterized of the supporting Autobots.

[The Joker_1000]

I know what you mean but the actor who voices Jazz has said on numerous occasions he may be coming back, and this has got my hopes up, so i am desperate to see him back, and want to see him kick some ass this time also.

But we'll see.

Well, I guess if he comes back it'd be a good thing. But if he does come back, he should have some upgrades.

[Radford]

if he does come back i hope hes something beefier than that wimpy little Solstice. :hehe:

[Chris B]

Well, I guess if he comes back it'd be a good thing. But if he does come back, he should have some upgrades.

If Jazz does come back, I wonder if Bay would give him a new vehicle mode since he has expressed his regret in picking the Solstice due to its small size. I think a Corvette wouldn't be a bad idea, which I think he should've been in the first movie.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

He got so little screen time in the first film, so I wouldn't mind seeing him brought back. But like it has already been said, I think bringing him back could create sense that the TF's dont stay dead, which I think could make any future deaths meaningless.

Still, if they plan on bringing him back, I wonder why they killed him off in the first place? As I've said before, I feel that Bay should've waited until TF2 before killing off any of the Autobots. But if they had to do it, then I think Ironhide would've made more sense since I think he was the most characterized of the supporting Autobots.

I think it would have been better if Megatron had just beaten Jazz to within an inch of his life, THEN Prime shows up and fights Megatron, but Jazz is out for the rest of the battle. The severe beating given by Megatron would still have shown his ruthlessness IMO.

If Jazz does come back, I wonder if Bay would give him a new vehicle mode since he has expressed his regret in picking the Solstice due to its small size. I think a Corvette wouldn't be a bad idea, which I think he should've been in the first movie.

When did Bay express regret about making Jazz a Soltice? Thats interesting to say the least.

[millennium movies]

I can confirm you that i read such a statement as well. He said something along the lines of never wanting to make jazz a Solstice.

[blackcobra]

Exactly, Bay did regret making Jazz a Solistice. From a marketing standpoint, Hasbro would stand to lose alot of money if they can't sell new Jazz toys. I say Jazz is comming back, as something much more cooler.

[Chris B]

I think it would have been better if Megatron had just beaten Jazz to within an inch of his life, THEN Prime shows up and fights Megatron, but Jazz is out for the rest of the battle. The severe beating given by Megatron would still have shown his ruthlessness IMO.

Something like that would've worked. He still gets torn in half, but is shown to have survived his encounter with Megatron at the end of the movie.


When did Bay express regret about making Jazz a Soltice? Thats interesting to say the least.

I remember him saying it around the release of the movie. Picking the Solstice for Jazz was a pretty odd decision on Bay's part since turning into that would obviously make him the smallest Autobot. I think a Corvette would've been a better choice. It fits the character and he would've been roughly the same height as Bumblebee.

[The Joker_1000]

If he comes back there's always that chance that he could be made taller, especially if he receives some major upgrades.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I can confirm you that i read such a statement as well. He said something along the lines of never wanting to make jazz a Solstice.

Oh right, maybe he will come back then as something different.

Something like that would've worked. He still gets torn in half, but is shown to have survived his encounter with Megatron at the end of the movie.

Exactly, it still would have shown Megatron's sadistic nature, in fact it might have made it more obvious with Megatron not killing Jazz so he suffers for longer.


I remember him saying it around the release of the movie. Picking the Solstice for Jazz was a pretty odd decision on Bay's part since turning into that would obviously make him the smallest Autobot. I think a Corvette would've been a better choice. It fits the character and he would've been roughly the same height as Bumblebee.

They should have just kept him as a Porsche, Porsche's were shown in the movie so i dont see the problem with him being one.

[Chris B]

They should have just kept him as a Porsche, Porsche's were shown in the movie so i dont see the problem with him being one.

Since Optimus and Barricade were the only ones who turned into a car or truck that didn't come from GM, I think Jazz would've more than likely still have been something from GM. And a Corvette would've been a good alternative, IMO.

[UltimateJustin]

I agree that Megatron should come back more powerful and bisexual but bringing Jazz back, although it would put a smile on the face of the nation's children, would cause the tone to possibly lighten as we would lose our belief that anything thats happening has consequence. Word?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Since Optimus and Barricade were the only ones who turned into a car or truck that didn't come from GM, I think Jazz would've more than likely still have been something from GM. And a Corvette would've been a good alternative, IMO.

Yeah, i suppose, if they bring him back it looks like they will change him.

I agree that Megatron should come back more powerful and bisexual but bringing Jazz back, although it would put a smile on the face of the nation's children, would cause the tone to possibly lighten as we would lose our belief that anything thats happening has consequence. Word?

I know what you are saying (except for the Megatron being bisexual part, WTF), but i have to say, i would make an exception if they brought Jazz back.

[Radford]

They should have just kept him as a Porsche, Porsche's were shown in the movie so i dont see the problem with him being one.


Porsche pulled the license from Transformers way back, they didnt want their automobiles "used as War toys" as they put it. Jazz toys havent been a Porsche in a long time.

so they cant have a Porsche in the movie doing anything war-like. which im sure amounts to even the act of transforming. thats why they had the Porsche dealer scene, it was a nod to the whole Porsche license retraction.

[Chris B]

I agree that Megatron should come back more powerful and bisexual but bringing Jazz back, although it would put a smile on the face of the nation's children, would cause the tone to possibly lighten as we would lose our belief that anything thats happening has consequence. Word?

One idea that I heard recently that might not be bad is if they did something along the lines of where upon closer inspection, the Autobots realized that Jazz's spark was still intact, and begin the long process of rebuilding him.

Something like that may be better than using the remaining fragment of the Allspark to revive him because as long as they had it, that would create the sense that any future Autobots that get killed could be brought back.

[UltimateJustin]

One idea that I heard recently that might not be bad is if they did something along the lines of where upon closer inspection, the Autobots realized that Jazz's spark was still intact, and begin the long process of rebuilding him.

Something like that may be better than using the remaining fragment of the Allspark to revive him because as long as they had it, that would create the sense that any future Autobots that get killed could be brought back.
That could do it if they work it in properly. Like instead of having a scene where they're all around a table saying "its neat that we found out that Jazz's spark was still intact, huh? Now to bring him to life. To robot life"m maybe Sam could mention something about Jazz and how its a tragedy that he died or something and then Jazz would drop behind him in his new dope ass mode or something.

Also, I didnt mean that Megatron should be bisexual, I meant beastial like that other guy said. Dont know why I typed bisexual. Guess I got some problems to work out, still.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I dont understand why so many people want Jazz to come back.We're only going to get to see a limited amount of bots per film.Maybe 3 or 4 more in the next film.If they bring Jazz back that only reduces the amount of new bots that we'll get to see in the 2nd film.

[Jake Cassidy]

because Jazz is the coolest one. Duh. :grin:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

because Jazz is the coolest one. Duh. :grin:

Cool or not wouldnt you like to see as many new TF's as possible.

[Jake Cassidy]

Other than Prowl, Sideswipe, Tracks and Inferno, not really.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Other than Prowl, Sideswipe, Tracks and Inferno, not really.


You just named 3 and you once before said you want to see Sunstreaker [at least I think you did] I dont think we'll be lucky enough to see more that 3 new bots and if Jazz come's back we'll be shorten 1 new bot.

So I say leave him dead.

Bring in the one you mention.

Bring in Grimlock.

Bring in Omega Supreme.

There are so many I would love to see over bringing back a dead bot.

[Jake Cassidy]

I named 4. I only want Jazz back because he's my favourite. Ever. Always has been, always will be.

Sunstreaker would be alright, but I don't like him as much as the others I mentioned.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I named 4. I only want Jazz back because he's my favourite. Ever. Always has been, always will be.

Sunstreaker would be alright, but I don't like him as much as the others I mentioned.

Sorry bout the count I'm pretty tired but as much of a fav he is of mine, I would just rather see a few new characters.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I dont see why Jazz coming back would take the spotlight off the new bots, all they would need to do is bring him back, give a couple of speaking scene's like in the movie, and then you've got the rest of the 2hr-2 1/2hrs of the movie to concentrate on the new bots.

[Chris B]

I dont understand why so many people want Jazz to come back.We're only going to get to see a limited amount of bots per film.Maybe 3 or 4 more in the next film.If they bring Jazz back that only reduces the amount of new bots that we'll get to see in the 2nd film.

That seems like too much of a small number. If I recall, Bay wanted to include a lot more TF's in the film, but was limited due to the budget and the fact that Spielberg told him to keep the robot cast small. I could see 5-6 new Autobots being introduced, and I think we'll essentially a new Decepticon line-up, with the only ones returning from the first film being Megatron and Starscream, possibly Barricade.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

That seems like too much of a small number. If I recall, Bay wanted to include a lot more TF's in the film, but was limited due to the budget and the fact that Spielberg told him to keep the robot cast small. I could see 5-6 new Autobots being introduced, and I think we'll essentially a new Decepticon line-up, with the only ones returning from the first film being Megatron and Starscream, possibly Barricade.

If we got 5 new bots he would then have almost 10 bots on the team.If Spielberg has anything to say about it that wont happen.It would be close to impossible to give that many any kind of character in a 3 hour film.As it is we got very little character from the bots in the first film.

I doubt that we'll have 8 bots all together in the next film.

[The Joker_1000]

The most Autobots or Decepticons on each team should be six. Anymore & you're setting yourself up for diaster.

[Chris B]

If we got 5 new bots he would then have almost 10 bots on the team.If Spielberg has anything to say about it that wont happen.It would be close to impossible to give that many any kind of character in a 3 hour film.As it is we got very little character from the bots in the first film.

I doubt that we'll have 8 bots all together in the next film.

I don't think every TF needs to be a fully developed character, though. I would say have several main Autobots, with the others playing supporting roles.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I don't think every TF needs to be a fully developed character, though. I would say have several main Autobots, with the others playing supporting roles.

I agree but out of all the robot we got in the first film, both sides, the only "fully developed" character's we got was Bumblebee and Prime and even in both cases its a strech to say that.Yes we got a few glimpes of the other characters but none of them were fully developed.

If they were to incress the number of Autobots by an other five members we'll never get a chance to understand any of them at all.

[Golgo-13]

Well, Bay has openly said on the dvd that he listens to the fans (some of the time! :oldrazz:), and the prime site he goes to to views complains, ideas whatever is the Seibertron.com forums. I know from going over there, that they've been calling for Jazz's return, so i'm not at all suprised that he's bringing him back. :up:

[The Joker_1000]

Well, that's a good thing.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Well, Bay has openly said on the dvd that he listens to the fans (some of the time! :oldrazz:), and the prime site he goes to to views complains, ideas whatever is the Seibertron.com forums. I know from going over there, that they've been calling for Jazz's return, so i'm not at all suprised that he's bringing him back. :up:

I'm a member of that site and the idea of jazz's return is a hot debate but its pretty much split down the middle

[Golgo-13]

I think Bay wants his 'token black-guy' that he has in all his movies, back. So if that means bringing back jazz, then so be it. That is unless Darius is voicing another TF.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I think Bay wants his 'token black-guy' that he has in all his movies, back. So if that means bringing back jazz, then so be it. That is unless Darius is voicing another TF.

If he want a token "black-guy" then lets bring in Blaster.I know he was voice by a white guy but he didnt sound like a white guy.

[katiserge01]

okay, if most of you want to see more TFs in the sequel and have jazz back at the same time, then it's time for a change of scenery. bay should move the location of the story out of Earth so that the story would be more focused on the TFs than the humans then. ;)

[Golgo-13]

Well, imo, Jazz was short changed in TF 1, so he deserves his dues. Especially with his ranking in the Autobot hierarchy.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Well, imo, Jazz was short changed in TF 1, so he deserves his dues. Especially with his ranking in the Autobot hierarchy.

The reason for the his being "short changed" was because Bay was trying to make the point that his films will be nothing like the 86 film.Back in the 86 film Jazz was one of a handfull of bots knowen to have survived.

[Avangarde]

I'm all for bringing Jazz back if it is handled well, but if it means loosing development for the other Autobots both new and old then I would be happy to leave Jazz dead.

[The Joker_1000]

If Jazz is to come back, I still want to at least see two more new Autobots in the next movie. If he stays dead, then we should get up to three new Autobots.

[Avangarde]

I don't want them to overload on the Autobots, IMO less is more with them. As great as it would be to see all our favourite bots in the movie it would kill screen time and any form of development for any of them.

[TheCardPlayer]

Hope this isn't true. I don't want dead characters to be brought back unless they are Megatron.

[The Joker_1000]

I don't want them to overload on the Autobots, IMO less is more with them. As great as it would be to see all our favourite bots in the movie it would kill screen time and any form of development for any of them.


Then that means it'd probably be best for them not to bring in anymore Autobots & to resurrect Jazz.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, Bay has openly said on the dvd that he listens to the fans (some of the time! :oldrazz:), and the prime site he goes to to views complains, ideas whatever is the Seibertron.com forums. I know from going over there, that they've been calling for Jazz's return, so i'm not at all suprised that he's bringing him back. :up:

Well thats good news in my eyes, he is possibly my favourite Autobot in the movie, so i want him and Megatron to return.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't want them to overload on the Autobots, IMO less is more with them. As great as it would be to see all our favourite bots in the movie it would kill screen time and any form of development for any of them.

I agree, i'd be happy if they brought back Jazz, and introduced Ultra Magnus, this would do it for me on the Autobot end of things.

[The Joker_1000]

If Jazz returns, I think they should modify his look to make him look even cooler.

[Jake Cassidy]

If Jazz returns, I'm gonna be even more excited about this than I already am.

[The Joker_1000]

Same here, I want him to deliver more jokes. His introduction in the first movie was just too damn funny.

[Avangarde]

I agree, i'd be happy if they brought back Jazz, and introduced Ultra Magnus, this would do it for me on the Autobot end of things.

Don't you think bringing in Magnus now would hurt Primes development, Magnus is also the leader type and having him there will conflict with Prime. Its best to keep it simple and have Prime as a stand alone figure without confusing the movie to much. You have to remember that this isn't an episode of TF's where they have a bottomless pit of bots and cons to play with, its a movie humans with TF's in it.

[The Joker_1000]

That's why I believe that if more Autobots are going to be brought in, it should be done in the third movie.

[Chris B]

If I could choose, I would bring in 4-5 new Autobots. Which would include Prowl, Wheeljack, Mirage, Sideswipe, and Hound.

[Jake Cassidy]

If I could choose, I would bring in 4-5 new Autobots. Which would include Prowl, Wheeljack, Mirage, Sideswipe, and Hound.

I'd like to see those as well as Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker, if possible. Out of season 2 characters I'd like to see Tracks, Blaster, Inferno and Smokescreen. Eventually.

[The Joker_1000]

I really need to research the Transformers some more. And I have DVR & I was thinking about setting it for Transformers Cybertron every morning, is the show worth being DVR'd?

[Golgo-13]

I think the piece of the Allspark that Prime took out of Megatron chest could be used to explain how Jazz is brought back.

[Avangarde]

If I could choose, I would bring in 4-5 new Autobots. Which would include Prowl, Wheeljack, Mirage, Sideswipe, and Hound.

I'd like to see those as well as Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker, if possible. Out of season 2 characters I'd like to see Tracks, Blaster, Inferno and Smokescreen. Eventually.

You couldn't possibly be serious about wanting that many new Autobots? Try being realistic.

[Chris B]

You couldn't possibly be serious about wanting that many new Autobots? Try being realistic.

I don't think 4-5 is that unrealistic of a number.

[Avangarde]

I don't think 4-5 is that unrealistic of a number.

What, total or new? That would be like 9 Autobots squeezed into on movie, not forgetting there will be a new bunch of Decepticons to replace the ones that died in the first movie. IMHO 2 new Autobots would be plenty. Keep in mind that we didn't get enought development for the original 5.

[The Joker_1000]

Agreed. If Jazz is returning, we only need two more new Autobots. Three & more would be too much for the next movie, especially since the characters weren't developed that much.

[Chris B]

What, total or new? That would be like 9 Autobots squeezed into on movie, not forgetting there will be a new bunch of Decepticons to replace the ones that died in the first movie. IMHO 2 new Autobots would be plenty. Keep in mind that we didn't get enought development for the original 5.

I see what you're saying, though I don't entirely agree. I think that even with 9-10 Autobots, you could still have those character moments that are a reflection upon that character's persona, especially if the film is 2 1/2-3 hours long. Not every TF neccesarily needs to be a fully developed character, IMO.

[Chris B]

I think the piece of the Allspark that Prime took out of Megatron chest could be used to explain how Jazz is brought back.

I'm not sure if that is a good way to approach it. I think doing that would creat a sense that as long as the Autobots have that fragment they can bring back dead comrades, which would make any future Autobot deaths meaningless because people will just think that the character can easily be brought back.

I think something along the lines of where they saw that Jazz's spark was still intact would be better. But they would still have to approach it the right way.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I see what you're saying, though I don't entirely agree. I think that even with 9-10 Autobots, you could still have those character moments that are a reflection upon that character's persona, especially if the film is 2 1/2-3 hours long. Not every TF neccesarily needs to be a fully developed character, IMO.

No not every character has to be fully developed but none of the Autobots in the last film were fully developed in the first place.Bumblebee came the closest followed by Prime but the still were not fully developed characters.

And remember it's a Bay film.....even in a 2 1/2 hours were not going to get mush of a chance to see much development in the Autobots because Bay is going to first focuse on the human characters then the army and explosions and last Autobot characters.

So for anybody who really wants to see more then 3 new Autobots in the new film dont expect to see any Autobot or Decepticon character development.

[Spider-Vader]

Bay said the Transformers will have a bigger role, also since they're hanging out with Sam we should see them more anyway.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Bay said the Transformers will have a bigger role, also since they're hanging out with Sam we should see them more anyway.

Bay also said that the Transformers were going to have a big role in the first film with plenty of characteraztion and we know how that turned out.

And hanging out with Sam will only really increase'es the amount of screne time they'll get not their character devlopment.To hang with Sam they'll have to remain in alt [car] mode most of the time.How's that going to help them in the character devlopment department.

[Avangarde]

I see what you're saying, though I don't entirely agree. I think that even with 9-10 Autobots, you could still have those character moments that are a reflection upon that character's persona, especially if the film is 2 1/2-3 hours long. Not every TF neccesarily needs to be a fully developed character, IMO.

Can you honestly say that all the TF's in the first movie got enough development?

[The Joker_1000]

None of them got enough time, at least not enough for character development. Btw, 9-10 Autobots this early is too much for one movie in which the characters haven't been developed too well.

[Chris B]

Can you honestly say that all the TF's in the first movie got enough development?

I would agree that they didn't, but I think that a large part of the problem was that they had to establish the TF's themselves. Now that they have done that, TF2 shouldn't have that problem.

Honestly, I don't care how many new Autobots are introduced. For me, as long as Prowl, Wheeljack, and Mirage make the cut, I don't care.

[The Joker_1000]

I doubt they will in the second movie. Maybe in the third we'll get more Autobots, but not in the second movie. The only TF's we'll get will be new Decepticons to replace the ones who died in the first movie.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I would agree that they didn't, but I think that a large part of the problem was that they had to establish the TF's themselves. Now that they have done that, TF2 shouldn't have that problem.


I'm sorry I have to disagree.I think the reason we didnt see much character in the robots that we got to see in the first film and the reason we still wont see much character in any of the robots in the next film is because Bay makes block buster summer movies.

In all the years that I've seen Bay movies none were really character driven.The only times that we see and character development in his films is when the we're seeing a actor that is very proficiant at bringing a characters motovations to the forfront with out direction.

[November Rain]

I think the piece of the Allspark that Prime took out of Megatron chest could be used to explain how Jazz is brought back.
It was obviously focussed on in that manner at the end of the film. use it to bring back jazz and megs and have it run out of juice...

voila...

actually, have it create the dinobots on earth as well...

starscream goes to get constructicons and soundwave...

so autobots are now

prime
jazz
ratchet
ironhide
bumblebee
grimlock
swoop
sludge
slag


decepticons are now

megatron
starscream
soundwave
brawl
scorpnok
scrapper
scavenger
mixmaster
hook

9 each, everyone is happy

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

It was obviously focussed on in that manner at the end of the film. use it to bring back jazz and megs and have it run out of juice...

voila...

actually, have it create the dinobots on earth as well...

starscream goes to get constructicons and soundwave...

so autobots are now

prime
jazz
ratchet
ironhide
bumblebee
grimlock
swoop
sludge
slag


decepticons are now

megatron
starscream
soundwave
brawl
scorpnok
scrapper
scavenger
mixmaster
hook

9 each, everyone is happy

But why only have 4 of the Dinobots and 4 uf the Constructions???If your going to as far as your list sugests why not finish off the teams???And why bring back Brawl?

[November Rain]

bonecrusher died.

grimlock is leader and best known, also has the flagship t-rex
swoop is flying adversary, can bring some great scenes with starscream
sludge and stag are triceratops and also a brontasaurus which are what people think about when you say dinosaurs

no need for a steggasaurus as well. THe dinobots were originally a threesome so i could cut it down to the original set but i would need to include swoop and swap him for someone because of a potentially great scene with starscream.

as for brawl, i'm fairly sure he didnt die so it makes sense to work with whats left on earth instead of bringing in new ones.

[Avangarde]

I would agree that they didn't, but I think that a large part of the problem was that they had to establish the TF's themselves. Now that they have done that, TF2 shouldn't have that problem.

Honestly, I don't care how many new Autobots are introduced. For me, as long as Prowl, Wheeljack, and Mirage make the cut, I don't care.

Well you see, thats the problem. I would love to see my two fav TF's, Prowl and Shockwave in the next movie, but not if they will be underdeveloped rubbish.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

bonecrusher died.

And????Your list has two other dead robots on it.

And your still missing one Construction.Ohhhhh you forgot that there were 6 Constructions didnt you?????


grimlock is leader and best known, also has the flagship t-rex
swoop is flying adversary, can bring some great scenes with starscream
sludge and stag are triceratops and also a brontasaurus which are what people think about when you say dinosaurs

no need for a steggasaurus as well. THe dinobots were originally a threesome so i could cut it down to the original set but i would need to include swoop and swap him for someone because of a potentially great scene with starscream.

Thats your opinion I say if your going to bring in 4 of a team of 5 you might as well bring in all 5.




as for brawl, i'm fairly sure he didnt die so it makes sense to work with whats left on earth instead of bringing in new ones.

I'm pretty sure Brawl/Deverstator did die.But your bringing back Jazz in your list to so its not a hard strech to bring back an other dead guy.....but tell me how do you thing the use of the name Deverstator in the first film will effect the 2nd film if they bring in the rest of the Constructions???

[Chris B]

I'm sorry I have to disagree.I think the reason we didnt see much character in the robots that we got to see in the first film and the reason we still wont see much character in any of the robots in the next film is because Bay makes block buster summer movies.

In all the years that I've seen Bay movies none were really character driven.The only times that we see and character development in his films is when the we're seeing a actor that is very proficiant at bringing a characters motovations to the forfront with out direction.

I would disagree in that I think that Autobots did have character. Most of Bumblebee's scenes, Jazz wanting to save him, Ironhide questioning why they were protecting humans, and Optimus explaining why they were stood out to me. Granted, they didn't have as much development as they should've, but the things I mentioned are to me good springboards to build on that in the sequel.

[Chris B]

Well you see, thats the problem. I would love to see my two fav TF's, Prowl and Shockwave in the next movie, but not if they will be underdeveloped rubbish.

But TF2 wont have the problem of having to expain the basics to non-fans. Leaving room for more TF development.

[Raiden]

If they bring Jazz back, I hope they will do the same for other demised Decepticons, like Blackout, Brawl, and esp. Megatron.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I would disagree in that I think that Autobots did have character. Most of Bumblebee's scenes, Jazz wanting to save him, Ironhide questioning why they were protecting humans, and Optimus explaining why they were stood out to me. Granted, they didn't have as much development as they should've, but the things I mentioned are to me good springboards to build on that in the sequel.

Bumblebee and Prime are the only bots to even get a semblance of character in the film and even thats saying a lot.None of the non fans walked away from that film truly understanding what kind of person Prime was.

I heard people as they walked out of the theature asking questions like "why wasnt Prime more ruthless in the fight with Megatron?", "why was Megatron so ubsessed with tracking down the cube?" "why did he want to take over the universe?" "why did Jazz speek with a black slang?" "why did Megatron seemed so anoyed by Starscream's small failur in getting the cube?"

The reasons why non-fans had these questions was because they didnt explain the motovations of the characters.....how Prime was very simular to Abe Lincoln and had no real tast for war....or that Jazz was intrigued by human culture or that Starscream had been trying to back stab his way into command of the Decepticons for centuries.

I could go on but I'll be here all night.Plan and simple the bots were givven very little character in the film.Having them tell a few jokes and showing some conseren for a fallen comrad humanizes's them and give the imprestion of character but its not the same thing as trully getting to know what drives and motovates the character.

But TF2 wont have the problem of having to expain the basics to non-fans. Leaving room for more TF development.

They really didnt explain the "basics to non-fans" in the first film.The only explaining they did was the opening narration and the 3 minutes of dialog between Prime and Sam.

[Chris B]

Bumblebee and Prime are the only bots to even get a semblance of character in the film and even thats saying a lot.None of the non fans walked away from that film truly understanding what kind of person Prime was.

I heard people as they walked out of the theature asking questions like "why wasnt Prime more ruthless in the fight with Megatron?", "why was Megatron so ubsessed with tracking down the cube?" "why did he want to take over the universe?" "why did Jazz speek with a black slang?" "why did Megatron seemed so anoyed by Starscream's small failur in getting the cube?"

The reasons why non-fans had these questions was because they didnt explain the motovations of the characters.....how Prime was very simular to Abe Lincoln and had no real tast for war....or that Jazz was intrigued by human culture or that Starscream had been trying to back stab his way into command of the Decepticons for centuries.

I could go on but I'll be here all night.Plan and simple the bots were givven very little character in the film.Having them tell a few jokes and showing some conseren for a fallen comrad humanizes's them and give the imprestion of character but its not the same thing as trully getting to know what drives and motovates the character.

The thing is with an ensemble film like Transformers, it unrealisitc to expect every single character to be fully developed. Plus, keep in mind that the way the film was set-up by being told from the human perspective, it was hard to characterize the TF's. That not to say that I wouldn't have liked to seen the extra TF dialouge that Orci and Kurtzman said that they wrote, but ended up getting cut from the film. But like I said before, I think that there were moments in the film that were reflection on the characters' personalities, though mostly the Autobots, so I've never entirely agree with the sentiment that they were devoid of any character.

They really didnt explain the "basics to non-fans" in the first film.The only explaining they did was the opening narration and the 3 minutes of dialog between Prime and Sam.

What I meant by that is that in the first they had to set-up the story over the long run by explaing why the Autobots and Decepticons are at war and why they've come to Earth. The sequel will be able to jump right into the story.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The thing is with an ensemble film like Transformers, it unrealisitc to expect every single character to be fully developed. Plus, keep in mind that the way the film was set-up by being told from the human perspective, it was hard to characterize the TF's. That not to say that I wouldn't have liked to seen the extra TF dialouge that Orci and Kurtzman said that they wrote, but ended up getting cut from the film. But like I said before, I think that there were moments in the film that were reflection on the characters' personalities, though mostly the Autobots, so I've never entirely agree with the sentiment that they were devoid of any character.

I'm sorry but thats a cop-out.Bays Transformers didnt have one single character that was fully developed.Not one of the characters was fully developed.....I'm sorry I repeated myself but its just the truth.Even Bumblebee that got the most development was still lacking in some area's.Dont get me wrong I loved the movie but it could have been done a hell of a lot better.I can name you at least 4 otherensemble film that were realeased in the last 10 years that have plenty of character development.



What I meant by that is that in the first they had to set-up the story over the long run by explaing why the Autobots and Decepticons are at war and why they've come to Earth. The sequel will be able to jump right into the story.

But thats my point.They explained why they were at war and why they came to earth and all it took was at most 10 minutes of screan time.....thats it.I've timed it.They didnt even spend 1/4 of the film on the "set-up" as you called it.

And I doubt that it will be any different in the 2nd film as long as Bay continues to make movies the way he does.We'll get a great block buster movie with plenty of action but no character.

[Chris B]

I'm sorry but thats a cop-out.Bays Transformers didnt have one single character that was fully developed.Not one of the characters was fully developed.....I'm sorry I repeated myself but its just the truth.Even Bumblebee that got the most development was still lacking in some area's.Dont get me wrong I loved the movie but it could have been done a hell of a lot better.I can name you at least 4 otherensemble film that were realeased in the last 10 years that have plenty of character development.

But I'm not saying that the TF's were fully developed characters. I would agree that they were lacking in that area, but all I'm saying is that I think that there some good character moments that were a nice reflection upon the character. And like you have been saying, that doesn't equal a fully developed character. Which I would agree with. I should also add that with the ensemble movie comment, I was saying that its only inevitable that some of the characters will be better developed than the others. The X-Men movies are a good example of that.



But thats my point.They explained why they were at war and why they came to earth and all it took was at most 10 minutes of screan time.....thats it.I've timed it.They didnt even spend 1/4 of the film on the "set-up" as you called it.

And I doubt that it will be any different in the 2nd film as long as Bay continues to make movies the way he does.We'll get a great block buster movie with plenty of action but no character.

I don't think you fully understand what I'm saying in that regard. The film was an introductory story that had to set-up the plot in the long run. The sequel wont have to do that because they have established that. Think of the first two Spider-Man movies. The first film had to explain how and why Peter Parker is Spider-Man and his relationship with the other characters. The second film jumped right into the characters and story since the origin and character interactions had been established.

I don't really agree with the sentiment that we wont see more developemt for the TF's because I think the character moments in the first film provide a good springboard to that, as well as the fact that the sequel will have a much bigger budget. I think we'll get more scenes like the one with the Autobots at the observatory, where there were no humans present, for both factions

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

But I'm not saying that the TF's were fully developed characters. I would agree that they were lacking in that area, but all I'm saying is that I think that there some good character moments that were a nice reflection upon the character. And like you have been saying, that doesn't equal a fully developed character. Which I would agree with. I should also add that with the ensemble movie comment, I was saying that its only inevitable that some of the characters will be better developed than the others. The X-Men movies are a good example of that.

But even in the first X-men film the characters of Magneto,Wolverine and Pro-X were almost fully fleshed out.Right from the start you understood these characters and left the film feeling that you knew those's characters.

Even if it wasnt a true to comic interpertation of the characters you knew where they stood in the movies universe.The same cant be said for Bays characters.The only character's in Bay's TF film that we got a feeling for were Sam and that Sector 7 prick guy.And I know thats not what the fans were looking for.



I don't think you fully understand what I'm saying in that regard. The film was an introductory story that had to set-up the plot in the long run. The sequel wont have to do that because they have established that. Think of the first two Spider-Man movies. The first film had to explain how and why Peter Parker is Spider-Man and his relationship with the other characters. The second film jumped right into the characters and story since the origin and character interactions had been established.

I completly understand what your saying....100% ,but I dont think that you realalize that your compairing the film to standerds that it just does not meet.

Useing the 1st Spiderman film for exsample as you just did proves just dont understand how much the Bay TF film fail as an introductory story.

When you left the 1st Spiderman film you understood who Peter was and what motivated him.....you understood what his aunt ment to him and how she felt for Peter.You understood why Peter fell for MJ and how she would someday grow to love him.You understood that Harry was a neglectied son striving for his fathers love and acceptance and how that need for his fathers love would one day turn him against his best friend.You also understood what demonds drove Norman Osborn to his fate.

Thats a true introductory and set-up story.

In Bays movie you were not made to understand why Optimus Prime was the leader.....you could not understand why others would chose to follow him.You got no sence of the relationship between Prime and those under his command.There was almost no understanding as to why the Autobots even felt the responsabilty to the universe to make sure the Decepticon were stoped.

The only thing that was explained was that the Autobots were good and the Decepticon's were evil.....how 80's is that?

And lets not even go into how lacking the Decepticons motivations were.

If you werent a fan of Transformers with a understanding of the characters before the Bay movie you did not walk out of his film with any knid of an understanding of the characters or their motivations.That does not mean you could not enjoy the film.Bay makes a great block buster but he sucks at character driven stories.


I don't really agree with the sentiment that we wont see more developemt for the TF's because I think the character moments in the first film provide a good springboard to that, as well as the fact that the sequel will have a much bigger budget. I think we'll get more scenes like the one with the Autobots at the observatory, where there were no humans present, for both factions

I'll agree that the ground work for some character development has be layed but Bay is not the one to build from that.He's only going to be working on new cooler robots and biger battles with louder explostions.

If I'm wrong then I'll thank god but there isnt one single summer block buster film of Bays that has ever really done anything for the characters in the story.I know his style and I know his history.

[The Joker_1000]

Well, if that's true, Bay is screwed unless he listens to his fans & develops the character's more in the sequel.

[Chris B]

But even in the first X-men film the characters of Magneto,Wolverine and Pro-X were almost fully fleshed out.Right from the start you understood these characters and left the film feeling that you knew those's characters.

Even if it wasnt a true to comic interpertation of the characters you knew where they stood in the movies universe.The same cant be said for Bays characters.The only character's in Bay's TF film that we got a feeling for were Sam and that Sector 7 prick guy.And I know thats not what the fans were looking for.

However, the characters you mentioned were really the only ones that got any kind of development in the X-Men movies. Keep in mind that Cyclops, one of the fundamental characters in those mythos got barely any development in the films. I'm simply saying that expecting every single character in an ensemble film to be fully fleshed out in unrealistic.


I completly understand what your saying....100% ,but I dont think that you realalize that your compairing the film to standerds that it just does not meet.

Useing the 1st Spiderman film for exsample as you just did proves just dont understand how much the Bay TF film fail as an introductory story.

When you left the 1st Spiderman film you understood who Peter was and what motivated him.....you understood what his aunt ment to him and how she felt for Peter.You understood why Peter fell for MJ and how she would someday grow to love him.You understood that Harry was a neglectied son striving for his fathers love and acceptance and how that need for his fathers love would one day turn him against his best friend.You also understood what demonds drove Norman Osborn to his fate.

Thats a true introductory and set-up story.

In Bays movie you were not made to understand why Optimus Prime was the leader.....you could not understand why others would chose to follow him.You got no sence of the relationship between Prime and those under his command.There was almost no understanding as to why the Autobots even felt the responsabilty to the universe to make sure the Decepticon were stoped.

The only thing that was explained was that the Autobots were good and the Decepticon's were evil.....how 80's is that?

And lets not even go into how lacking the Decepticons motivations were.

If you werent a fan of Transformers with a understanding of the characters before the Bay movie you did not walk out of his film with any knid of an understanding of the characters or their motivations.That does not mean you could not enjoy the film.Bay makes a great block buster but he sucks at character driven stories.

I think we're going around in circles for this one. I simply think that in TF2, they aren't going to have to introduce the basic concept to non-fans, so they'll be able to jump right into the story. I know that you believe that first film wasn't a proper introductory film, but my whole rationale has been that they had to introduce the concept to the casual movie goers in the first film, and they don't have to do that now. Leaving more room to expand upon the characters.


I'll agree that the ground work for some character development has be layed but Bay is not the one to build from that.He's only going to be working on new cooler robots and biger battles with louder explostions.

If I'm wrong then I'll thank god but there isnt one single summer block buster film of Bays that has ever really done anything for the characters in the story.I know his style and I know his history.

The thing is, I've gotten the impression that Orci and Kurtzman do want to expand on the characters of the TF's, and I think that that is something Spielberg would want to do as well. And he'll be the one to have to the biggest influence on Bay. Plus, if they're smart, they'll see that non-fans agreed that the TF's didn't have enough screentime, which included not developing them enough as characters.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

However, the characters you mentioned were really the only ones that got any kind of development in the X-Men movies. Keep in mind that Cyclops, one of the fundamental characters in those mythos got barely any development in the films. I'm simply saying that expecting every single character in an ensemble film to be fully fleshed out in unrealistic.

I was not expecting every single character in Bays film to be fully fleshed but at least it would have been nice to have at least 1 fully fleshed TF character......at least the 1st X-men film had 3 the first Spiderman film had 5 and the first Lords of the Rings film had 7 fully fleshed out characters.

We could have gotten 1 out of the Bay TF film.



I think we're going around in circles for this one. I simply think that in TF2, they aren't going to have to introduce the basic concept to non-fans, so they'll be able to jump right into the story. I know that you believe that first film wasn't a proper introductory film, but my whole rationale has been that they had to introduce the concept to the casual movie goers in the first film, and they don't have to do that now. Leaving more room to expand upon the characters.

We are going around in circles but its because you keep trying to claim that the reason the film was lacking in character and story is because they spent some large amount of time setting up the plot to non-fans.

But thats just not true.I've timed all the scene's that feature any knid of explaination to non-fans and it all amounted to roughly 10 minute's.

Thats 10 minute's out of 150 minute's.What happened to the rest of that time?????????Bay used it to explain the plot of this particular story with out explaining the motivation of the characters in the story.But you cant tell me that it could have been written with more character partisapation.

And if Bay stay's true to form the 2nd film will suffer from the same failing's.All of his summer films basicly follow the same formula.




The thing is, I've gotten the impression that Orci and Kurtzman do want to expand on the characters of the TF's, and I think that that is something Spielberg would want to do as well. And he'll be the one to have to the biggest influence on Bay. Plus, if they're smart, they'll see that non-fans agreed that the TF's didn't have enough screentime, which included not developing them enough as characters.


I hope they get it but I know that Bay wont.And even if the writters try to fix the problem Bay will just have it re-written so that some of the character interaction happens durring a scene that also features big action that will divert the attention from the character development.

[Chris B]

I was not expecting every single character in Bays film to be fully fleshed but at least it would have been nice to have at least 1 fully fleshed TF character......at least the 1st X-men film had 3 the first Spiderman film had 5 and the first Lords of the Rings film had 7 fully fleshed out characters.

We could have gotten 1 out of the Bay TF film.

I agree that they were lacking in character development. But I do think that the Autobots got some decent characterization. That has been my whole argument.

We are going around in circles but its because you keep trying to claim that the reason the film was lacking in character and story is because they spent some large amount of time setting up the plot to non-fans.

But thats just not true.I've timed all the scene's that feature any knid of explaination to non-fans and it all amounted to roughly 10 minute's.

Thats 10 minute's out of 150 minute's.What happened to the rest of that time?????????Bay used it to explain the plot of this particular story with out explaining the motivation of the characters in the story.But you cant tell me that it could have been written with more character partisapation.

And if Bay stay's true to form the 2nd film will suffer from the same failing's.All of his summer films basicly follow the same formula.

I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

I hope they get it but I know that Bay wont.And even if the writters try to fix the problem Bay will just have it re-written so that some of the character interaction happens durring a scene that also features big action that will divert the attention from the character development.

I'm not so sure. I think we'll see more TF screentime in TF2 that wont be just bigger and longer action scenes. Orci once said that him and the other writers want that and the sequel wont have the budget constraints that the first film had. Plus, they'll hopefully take into account that the lack of TF screentime was a common complaint. Call me optimsitic, but I don't think Bay is that opposed to developing the TF's as characters.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I agree that they were lacking in character development. But I do think that the Autobots got some decent characterization. That has been my whole argument.

I would say the Autobots got some characterization....but I would call the amount they got decent.



I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Thats fine with me.


I'm not so sure. I think we'll see more TF screentime in TF2 that wont be just bigger and longer action scenes. Orci once said that him and the other writers want that and the sequel wont have the budget constraints that the first film had. Plus, they'll hopefully take into account that the lack of TF screentime was a common complaint. Call me optimsitic, but I don't think Bay is that opposed to developing the TF's as characters.

The way I see it this writters strike is going to hurt the 2 nd film.Even if Orci and the other writters truly wanted to bring some development to the characters, the amount of time this strike is taking in going to put a rush on the writters when they get back to work.

That rush is going to take its toll on the story and the characters within.The studio is going to be leaning on Bay to hurry so that they can recupe some of the money lose durring the strike and Bay will then lean on the writters to hurry and dispence with the character development in favor of more explosions.

[Chris B]

The way I see it this writters strike is going to hurt the 2 nd film.Even if Orci and the other writters truly wanted to bring some development to the characters, the amount of time this strike is taking in going to put a rush on the writters when they get back to work.

That rush is going to take its toll on the story and the characters within.The studio is going to be leaning on Bay to hurry so that they can recupe some of the money lose durring the strike and Bay will then lean on the writters to hurry and dispence with the character development in favor of more explosions.

I have a feeling though, that we'll see TF2 pushed back at least a year. The writers strike seems like it could go on for a while, and then there are the anticipated actors and directors strikes next summer. I think the odds are in favor of it not hitting the theaters in 2009.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I have a feeling though, that we'll see TF2 pushed back at least a year. The writers strike seems like it could go on for a while, and then there are the anticipated actors and directors strikes next summer. I think the odds are in favor of it not hitting the theaters in 2009.

If it comes out 2009 then it would be right on schedule. The studios have slated June 29, 2009 for the premiere of "Transformers 2.And if it does come out in 2009 then the writting will be rushed.

If your hopping for any real characterastion and character development then dont expect to see the film till mid 2010 or early 2011.

[Chris B]

If it comes out 2009 then it would be right on schedule. The studios have slated June 29, 2009 for the premiere of "Transformers 2.And if it does come out in 2009 then the writting will be rushed.

If your hopping for any real characterastion and character development then dont expect to see the film till mid 2010 or early 2011.

But that is what I was saying. I think the sequel will end up getting pushed back to 2010.

[The Joker_1000]

I don't, I'm sure it'll be released in 2009 as Bay has said.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

But that is what I was saying. I think the sequel will end up getting pushed back to 2010.

Sorry mised the "NOT" in you sentence:p

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I don't, I'm sure it'll be released in 2009 as Bay has said.

And if it does it will suffer from the same failings as the first film.

[rsonbie456]

I am making a comic book thing on my own and i like the idea how Jazz comes back at the same time as Megatron while he is getting rebuilt. Of course Jazz is small so he gets fixed fasted than Megatron. And I decided i might not put Unicron in Transformers 2. Even if i did...i reduced Unicron's size to 2000km which is about half the size of Atlantic ocean. :woot:

[The Joker_1000]

Unless you're making this comic book for yourself, prepare to get sued because you don't have any type of legal rights to make any Transformers related anything.

[rsonbie456]

Lol yeah its for myself :woot: Its nothing big xD Im just going to see if i can whip up some kind of story that is possible to be Transformers 2. The only place its going to is myself and the internet....and Youtube. If only i get voices for my pictures:csad:

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, anyway, has there been anymore news of Jazz returning in the sequel?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yeah, anyway, has there been anymore news of Jazz returning in the sequel?

Depend's on what you consider "news" .The voice actor has said that he has been asked to come back for movie 2 but that does not mean that Jazz will come back to life.

It could be a flash back to Cybertron thing or he could be voiceing a different character.

Your guess is as good as mine.

[rsonbie456]

But you have to becareful. These news sometimes are Treatment Leaks. Dreamworks and Michael Bay said that they will release these fake info into the internet to prevent people to know the actual script/news. I think in one of the leaked scripts it said that Jazz gets repaired as Megatron gets repaired to. But another didnt even say ANYTHING about Jazz. Smart Dreamworks people........:csad:

[dancing_on_fire]

Hey all, i just found this article on the net not sure if it's been posted, but the website is:
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/wherearetheynow1204
(you have to scroll down a bit)
The article is an interview with a few celebrities, one being Darius who was the voice of Jazz from the recent Transformers film. Well as it turns out he is in negotiations after all for the sequel, im praying this isn't one of the false rumor's bay recently announced he would begin spreading to lead us off from the main plot of the sequel.

Any way as the interview goes, it discusses Darius current work and what's to be expected, the article then briefly mentions his part in transformers with this to say:
Last summer, McCrary starred as Autobot Jazz in the 4th of July blockbuster "Transformers" and is currently in talks to return for the sequel.
"That was something I grew up watching, so to be a part of that was exciting," said McCrary.


McCrary says he was honored to be chosen as the first voice actor to take over the role of Jazz since the original voicer, venerable actor Scatman Crothers, died in 1986.


"It was kind of cool because -- I know this may sound crazy -- when I was actually filming, I really did feel Scatman's presence," he said.


Hopefully it's not fake and it's the real deal, and hopefully Darius will return bringing Jazz back in the sequel.

[Asgard]

Hahaha, wow, I didnt know Eddie Winslow was Jazz!

That's friggin fantastic!

[Avangarde]

Yeah it was posted several weeks ago.

[dancing_on_fire]

Yeah it was posted several weeks ago.
lol

[DOG LIPS]

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9717&postcount=5


No Jazz is dead. We have way more cool robots to come.

Bay

[raindog13]

I hope if they bring him back we get classic Jazz and not stereotypical black man Jazz.

[dancing_on_fire]

thanks for merging the thread. Is bay being serious in that post :s i really hope he was just leading us off. I want Jazz to return, its harsh of him to kill one of the few characters that survived the whole show and to not bring any promise he may return :(

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I hope if they bring him back we get classic Jazz and not stereotypical black man Jazz.

You know classic Jazz was as stereotypical a black man of the late 70's and early 90's as Bay's movie Jazz was a stereotypical black man of the 00's.

[raindog13]

In that case:
I hope if they bring him back we get the James Brown-esque Jazz and not Fifty Cent-esque Jazz.

[CBGB]

Jazz IS NOT returning!
http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12217

EDIT: didn't see DOG LIPS post :(

[Ratcrawler]

I think it would have been better if Megatron had just beaten Jazz to within an inch of his life, THEN Prime shows up and fights Megatron, but Jazz is out for the rest of the battle. The severe beating given by Megatron would still have shown his ruthlessness IMO.

When did Bay express regret about making Jazz a Soltice? Thats interesting to say the least.

Or hell, have him ripped in half. But that shouldn't kill him! How do you kill a robot by ripping it's legs off? (I'd ask how do you kill a robot PERIOD but whatever) It's not like he'll bleed to death or anything.

Anyway, considering he's voiced by Eddie Winslow, Jazz should come back as the Urkelbot.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_G-dS0osPTNI/Rye6yAxv7rI/AAAAAAAAAEk/0AGi3VgcVI4/s1600/urkelbot1.jpg

[Avangarde]

Jazz is dead for good, moving on.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9717&postcount=5


No Jazz is dead. We have way more cool robots to come.

Bay

:csad: Gutted! He was one of if not THE favourite Autobot of mine in the first movie. I'm so gutted he isnt coming back, he shouldnt have been killed IMO.

[Hush]

My 11 year old brother is going to be PISSED off i mean he wasn wanting the return of Jazz over any new botin the film or any old bot.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I did myself, i loved him in the movie, and desperately wanted to see more, but Bay said he is dead, so, despite our regret, we wont be seeing Jazz again.

[Milu]

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9717&postcount=5


No Jazz is dead. We have way more cool robots to come.

Bay
Michael Bay doesn't care about autobots that sound like black people.

*Ratchet stares akwardly at the camera*

[millennium movies]

Lol^

[Radford]

i wouldnt be surprised if Bay saying Jazz is officially dead ends up being some of his pre-stated misinformation. :hehe:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^It could be, i would certainly hope so, but for some reason, i cant see them bringing him back.

And if it would mean them including a bad plot point to bring him back, i would be sorta glad if they didnt.

[Avangarde]

i wouldnt be surprised if Bay saying Jazz is officially dead ends up being some of his pre-stated misinformation. :hehe:

Hard to call that, I still believe Jazz is finished with.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I do to myself now, it seems pretty clear they have moved onto other robots for TF2, shame, Jazz was awesome.

[Ratcrawler]

Wait a sec... They friggin' chopped off Frenzy's head and he survived til the end of the movie but Jazz gets his legs ripped off and he's dead for good?

[Avangarde]

Wait a sec... They friggin' chopped off Frenzy's head and he survived til the end of the movie but Jazz gets his legs ripped off and he's dead for good?

Not that it matters, but in a slightly different version of the script it had more to the scene of Jazz's death with Megatron eating his spark. Obviously it was cut.

[Ratcrawler]

Ah. Makes more sense.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Not that it matters, but in a slightly different version of the script it had more to the scene of Jazz's death with Megatron eating his spark. Obviously it was cut.

I wish they would have kept that in, it would have made Megatron seem even more evil, wonder why they cut it.

[Avangarde]

I wish they would have kept that in, it would have made Megatron seem even more evil, wonder why they cut it.

Michael Bay film

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^What do you mean exactly?

Did he think it was a bit too much for kids or something?

[Avangarde]

No, Bay just has a knack for heavy editing. Don't mind me, I'm just Bay bashing.

[Đeadpool]

impossible

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

uhhh.. didnt michael bay himself say that he was going to make things up to throw off fans during production?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No, Bay just has a knack for heavy editing. Don't mind me, I'm just Bay bashing.

Ha ha, no worries, it sounds an awesome scene though and i wish it would have been kept in.

[Grizzly Mac&Cheese]

Boy I hope not. I could not have been happier when Megs ripped his breakdancin ass in half :up:

[Avangarde]

:eek:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Boy I hope not. I could not have been happier when Megs ripped his breakdancin ass in half :up:

You must be the first person i have seen that didnt like Jazz? Can i ask why?

[Chris B]

i wouldnt be surprised if Bay saying Jazz is officially dead ends up being some of his pre-stated misinformation. :hehe:

Reviving this thread, that could be a real possibility. Someone asked Orci recently at the Don Murphy boards if Jazz, Frenzy, and Scorponok were all dead, and his response was basicly "who knows?" Obviously, he could've been talking about Scorponok since there wasn't any kind of resolution with him, but you have to wonder.

[Chris B]

You must be the first person i have seen that didnt like Jazz? Can i ask why?

I think I know why. Some fans felt that movie Jazz was a racist stereotype of African-Americans.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I dont see it personally, but fair enough, who am i to argue?

[Chris B]

I've never understood it myself. I mean, Jazz was just as much of a black stereotype in the 80's as he was in '07. All they did was update the character to be in tune with what that stereotype is today.

[steven person]

I've never understood it myself. I mean, Jazz was just as much of a black stereotype in the 80's as he was in '07. All they did was update the character to be in tune with what that stereotype is today.


anything that is voiced by eddie windslow from family matters must die.lol.im sorry but jazz didnt do anything in the movie and now may
he rest in peices.lol get it

[TNC9852002]

I think I know why. Some fans felt that movie Jazz was a racist stereotype of African-Americans.
A stereotype, maybe. Racist? I don't think so.

-TNC

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I've never understood it myself. I mean, Jazz was just as much of a black stereotype in the 80's as he was in '07. All they did was update the character to be in tune with what that stereotype is today.

Exactly, and he was the most heroic Autobot in the movie, so i dont see their argument.

anything that is voiced by eddie windslow from family matters must die.lol.im sorry but jazz didnt do anything in the movie and now may
he rest in peices.lol get it

I hope Jazz does return, just so he can moonwalk up and down your ass!

[Grizzly Mac&Cheese]

You must be the first person i have seen that didnt like Jazz? Can i ask why?

Just didn't like the character. The stereotyping part was eyeroll-worthy and all but I was glad to see him go :up:

[TNC9852002]

He does a little dance in ONE scene and the deal's totally off for you?

Jeez.

-TNC

[dancing_on_fire]

yeah i still don't see how its a racist stereotype, people look into these things too much. It was a robot, it doesn't even resemble anything stereotypical of a black man in appearance, he simply talks like one and is voiced by one. I bet if they got a caucasian to voice him, there'd be less attention drawn to this and most people would then dismiss him as a wannabee rather than a stereotype.
Overall no one has changed mcCrary's filmography, it still says hes in negotiations for jazz in the sequel and he himself has had no say so who knows.

[Eros]

I liked Jazz.

[S.A.A.D]

Jazz won't comeback in any Transformers movie,trust me. He was ok IMO,but I was bothered by his voice,it sounded Decepticon like.

[protocida]

He only danced one time, and he was only introducing, like Ironhide and his ''Are you feeling lucky, Punk?'' joke.

[dijinnwizard]

I did not really have a problem with Jazz I mean it was totally what I expected of the character and I don't really think it was racist or anything but I guess I could see where some people might have a problem with it, but hey, to each his own I guess

[Drizzle]

While I didn't hate Jazz, he was my least favorite of the Autobots. I mean, he didn't do much except get his ass kicked by Megatron.

[Ratcrawler]

Seriously though, "What's crackin', little b***hes? This looks like a cool place to kick it." Nobody talks like that unless they're trying hard to be an urban stereotype. That aside, I liked him quite a bit and was disappointed when he died. I wouldn't have missed Ironhide as much.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

While I didn't hate Jazz, he was my least favorite of the Autobots. I mean, he didn't do much except get his ass kicked by Megatron.

He stood up to Megatron despite the fight he knew he couldnt win because he didnt want Megatron to harm the humans behind him, thats not nothing that is completely heroic.

Seriously though, "What's crackin', little b***hes? This looks like a cool place to kick it." Nobody talks like that unless they're trying hard to be an urban stereotype. That aside, I liked him quite a bit and was disappointed when he died. I wouldn't have missed Ironhide as much.

Jazz talked like that in the cartoon though, so i dont see peoples problems.

[DieSmiling]

Jazz just sucked because he was so small. The Pontiac Solstice was a terrible choice for his vehicle.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I thought that it was awesome that he was so small, but he was always the first Autobot to jump into battle, both with Devestator and Megatron.

[Avangarde]

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-9/autobot-jazz-is-back-for-transformers-movie-sequel-165008/

:csad:

[omid17]

it could be bs. Remeber Bay is going to lie on some of the stuff.
but if he is back than the Autobots found away to bring him back by the AllSpark imo

[Avangarde]

I think it's that the Pontiac Solstice used for Jazz in the first movie is on set and Darius McCrary, the voice of Jazz, is on set as well.

[dancing_on_fire]

I doubt bay would bring Darius and Jazz's car over to the set to throw us off, thats a waste of money and time of Darius'.
I'm just so happy now he's coming back.

[Jake Cassidy]

Seriously though, "What's crackin', little b***hes? This looks like a cool place to kick it." Nobody talks like that unless they're trying hard to be an urban stereotype. That aside, I liked him quite a bit and was disappointed when he died. I wouldn't have missed Ironhide as much.

They learned English from the internet and the net is full of **** like that. How is that so hard for some people to understand?

[Golgo-13]

Glad he's back. I hope he gets more of an authoritative roll in this one.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-9/autobot-jazz-is-back-for-transformers-movie-sequel-165008/

:csad:

On the one hand i'm thrilled about this, on the other, not so much, i just dont want every character who dies in this franchise come back in the next movie, it cheapens the emotion of the deaths to begin with.

But Jazz was possibly my favourite Autobot in the first movie, so i am delighted we will see him return.

[Golgo-13]

On the one hand i'm thrilled about this, on the other, not so much, i just dont want every character who dies in this franchise come back in the next movie, it cheapens the emotion of the deaths to begin with.

But Jazz was possibly my favourite Autobot in the first movie, so i am delighted we will see him return.

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that Barricade returns.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Barricade didnt die in the movie, so i could see him returning over any character that died.

[Chris B]

On the one hand i'm thrilled about this, on the other, not so much, i just dont want every character who dies in this franchise come back in the next movie, it cheapens the emotion of the deaths to begin with.

I agree. If Jazz is brought back, they need to do it in a way where it is clearly a one-time thing only. Since it would probably involve the Allspark shard in some capacity, they should just say that the shard only has a limited amount of energy left, with the remainder being used to revive Jazz of course.

[dark_b]

who said tha tteh actor was on set?

with all due respet....but whats the point of the voice actor being on set? nothing.

[Golgo-13]

who said tha tteh actor was on set?

with all due respet....but whats the point of the voice actor being on set? nothing.

That's exactly what i was thinknig.:huh: Unless Jazz uses him as his hologram 'scan', so that Darius gets an onscreen cameo in that sense.

[terry78]

Now if Jazz had actually spoken like Wayne Brady he would have been a sellout Autobot. Hell, I'm black and I know that Jazz has always had that "urban" theme to him. Every TF has their own little quirk.

[Anti-Moderator]

^I thought that it was awesome that he was so small, but he was always the first Autobot to jump into battle, both with Devestator and Megatron.



Yeah....everything that Bumblebee should have been.

[dark_b]

you mean the robot that had no legs?

[Dotten]

I asked my kids and they want him back. So that settles it, case closed :)

[M.O.Steel]

its not a flashback becuase they said the soltice is back, unless the flashback was from the timeframe of the first movie.

i loved jazz, but i absolute hate this idea. it cheapens his death from the first one.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

its not a flashback becuase they said the soltice is back, unless the flashback was from the timeframe of the first movie..

But bringing back the Soltice could just be a way of faking the fan boys.

[Golgo-13]

But bringing back the Soltice could just be a way of faking the fan boys.

An expensive way. Do they have money to burn like that?

And to all those that say, bringing Jazz back cheapen TF's deaths; i hear what your saying. If a TF dies in the future, it won't mean much because they can be brought back, right? Not if that tiny bit of Allspark shrapnel is the reason. It was so small, it had only enough spark to breath life back into one TF, and now that it's destroyed, they can't bring back anyone else. So i say your fears are alleviated.

[M.O.Steel]

But bringing back the Soltice could just be a way of faking the fan boys.

it's possbile, but like golgo says...that's a lot of time, money, and effort to fake out the small minority that reside on the message boards.

An expensive way. Do they have money to burn like that?

And to all those that say, bringing Jazz back cheapen TF's deaths; i hear what your saying. If a TF dies in the future, it won't mean much because they can be brought back, right? Not if that tiny bit of Allspark shrapnel is the reason. It was so small, it had only enough spark to breath life back into one TF, and now that it's destroyed, they can't bring back anyone else. So i say your fears are alleviated.

interesting theory. i can live with that. so what would be left for megs?

[dancing_on_fire]

Any photo's released yet proving he's back btw? i kinda took a deep breathe and thought it could be simply a prank by some random on a forum who wasn't on the set.
Aside from that, if the car and darius were both there, i doubt Bay would poor valuable money on a cruel prank like that.

[Avangarde]

who said tha tteh actor was on set?

with all due respet....but whats the point of the voice actor being on set? nothing.

True, however Mark Ryan was on set to read lines for autobots to converse with human actors in TF1, what's to say that Darius isn't doing the same for TF2?

[Hush]

I would say the only reason Jazz is back cause he sold the most toys. lol

My little brother is totally stoked about this though.

[M.O.Steel]

i always hate when movies and tv shows bring back dead people. explanations are rarely good.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

An expensive way. Do they have money to burn like that?

How is it expensive?????

I read somewhere that when he got the rights from GM to use the designs the signed a Multi picture deal.

Which meens he already paid for the rights to use the designs.

The only real money he'll be spending will be in transporting the car around.

but you have to figure the money will be well spent if it helps keep the jackals off his back and distracts them from trying to figure out the plot of the movie.

Do you have any idea how much money these movie makers invest in securty trying to keep info from leeking out?????

This could be Bay useing that same money to fake us out.And it might be cheeper in the nong run.

[Psionic Force]

Hard to believe that with all the pics there are none of Jazz's appearance on set ... not sure I believe this yet.

[Jake Cassidy]

i always hate when movies and tv shows bring back dead people. explanations are rarely good.

Bringing back robots is a lot easier than bringing back people. :woot:

[Avangarde]

Bringing back robots is a lot easier than bringing back people. :woot:

Yeah but it takes away from the character, a death is like closing a chapter on someone.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree. If Jazz is brought back, they need to do it in a way where it is clearly a one-time thing only. Since it would probably involve the Allspark shard in some capacity, they should just say that the shard only has a limited amount of energy left, with the remainder being used to revive Jazz of course.

Yeah, i could accept that, but it could only, definately be a onetime thing, all future TF's who die should stay dead with the exception of Optimus and Megatron. But if they go with that explanation, it would be plausible, and it would mean they cant bring TF's back willy nilly throughout the series.

Now if Jazz had actually spoken like Wayne Brady he would have been a sellout Autobot. Hell, I'm black and I know that Jazz has always had that "urban" theme to him. Every TF has their own little quirk.

:up:

[Golgo-13]

How is it expensive?????



This movie is obviously getting a bigger budget than the first, cause of TF1 success, but it's also getting a lot more robots according to Bay, so that's a lot more CGI money already spoken for. Every time they have these cars on the set, it cost money. My point is, even with a bigger budget that the first movie, i doubt they have money to spare on props and things that won't be used, which is why TF 1 had very few cut scenes, especially when it came to the scenes involving the TF's themselves.

Bay laying out this whole, 'I'm gonna trick the fans crap', imo, is B.S. He's using reverse psychology on us. Everytime we see something new, we're gonna question whether, it's a fake-out move or actually in the movie. Movie making is hard enough work, without him doing twice the amount of work just trying to trick us. I doubt he has a whole lot of time around the movie making schedule, to play games with us.


interesting theory. i can live with that. so what would be left for megs?

It's a known fact that Megatron is indestructable. So he's covered.:cwink:

[M.O.Steel]

Bringing back robots is a lot easier than bringing back people. :woot:

robots that experience life and death. but i see your point. my post was inclduing everyone tv shows and movies.

[the dmg]

It makes sense that they would use it to have Jazz come back, but why not have used it at the end of the movie and show Jazz with the Autobots in the final scene?

Plus, if they have Megatron return, then it will be explained that the Allspark overloaded him, but then revived him into something stronger? Which is retarded.

[Golgo-13]

It makes sense that they would use it to have Jazz come back, but why not have used it at the end of the movie and show Jazz with the Autobots in the final scene?



Because i don't think bringing Jazz back was part of the original plan. They changed their minds later on.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

This movie is obviously getting a bigger budget than the first, cause of TF1 success, but it's also getting a lot more robots according to Bay, so that's a lot more CGI money already spoken for. Every time they have these cars on the set, it cost money. My point is, even with a bigger budget that the first movie, i doubt they have money to spare on props and things that won't be used, which is why TF 1 had very few cut scenes, especially when it came to the scenes involving the TF's themselves.

And yet I still dont see a true example of the expense.

First there's no real reason to believe just from the possible news that the Soltice was seen on set that it meens that any of the CGI budget will be used on the character.

I can think of quite a few senrios in which they might have need for the car and not his robot mode.

Second, useing the older CGI models would be far cheaper at this point and throwing a scene or two with Jazz init may not really effect the over all budget for this film.

And yes , just having the cars on the set cost money but as I said, the Soltice has already been paid for.

And I also dont understand why so many of you have ruled out the "flash back" option.

I have yet to hear one solid argument for why it couldnt be a flash back.

T Bay laying out this whole, 'I'm gonna trick the fans crap', imo, is B.S. He's using reverse psychology on us. Everytime we see something new, we're gonna question whether, it's a fake-out move or actually in the movie. Movie making is hard enough work, without him doing twice the amount of work just trying to trick us. I doubt he has a whole lot of time around the movie making schedule, to play games with us.


I thought this too.



It's a known fact that Megatron is indestructable. So he's covered.:cwink:


True.

[dark_b]

didnt bay mean internet leaks will be fake? i think he meant that internet leaks and script leaks will happen from him. i dont think he meant hat he will have cars on the set to trick us.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

didnt bay mean internet leaks will be fake? i think he meant that internet leaks and script leaks will happen from him. i dont think he meant hat he will have cars on the set to trick us.

What he said was that he would be putting out false info to trick us.

He didnt say that only internet fakes will be done.

I think its all BS thou.

I think the claim that he will put out false info is the extent of the false info.

[Golgo-13]

I have yet to hear one solid argument for why it couldnt be a flash back.




.

Flashback to when? The whole time Jazz was on Earth was accounted for in the first movie. From the time he landed and met up with Prime, to Sam's house, all the way up to the final battle when he was killed was accounted for in TF1. I can't see why a flashback would even be viable to this movie, unless it's one of the Autobots reminiscing about Jazz, and how good of a friend he was. I dunno, it just sounds a little like your reaching, is all.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Flashback to when? The whole time Jazz was on Earth was accounted for in the first movie. From the time he landed and met up with Prime, to Sam's house, all the way up to the final battle when he was killed was accounted for in TF1. I can't see why a flashback would even be viable to this movie, unless it's one of the Autobots reminiscing about Jazz, and how good of a friend he was. I dunno, it just sounds a little like your reaching, is all.

Not at all but it proves you have a limited imagination.

And I dont mean that as a insult.

Did you consider that a flashback scene could consist of News's footage taken from a satellite?????

Or military footage taken from the same source and is being used to train new Sector 7 personal????

A flashback could also consist of a re-cap of the first film in the begining of this film.

And yes I'm sure he could have used old stock footage but Bay may have chosen to film some of the scenes for a flash back from different angles then were shown in the first film so that they truly look like they were film from a satellite.

Its also possible that Bay is taking this opportunity to film "extras" for a Blue Ray Box set in the future.

All of these are very likely and very obvious when you think about it.

Now I'm not trying to say that any of this is the case but its just as likely as Bay useing Jazz for a second film.

And at least if any of my guesses pan out Bay wont be lasbled a lier.

Not that he cares anyway.

[Silver Knight]

I hope this is true..

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Not at all but it proves you have a limited imagination.

And I dont mean that as a insult.

Did you consider that a flashback scene could consist of News's footage taken from a satellite?????

Or military footage taken from the same source and is being used to train new Sector 7 personal????

A flashback could also consist of a re-cap of the first film in the begining of this film.

And yes I'm sure he could have used old stock footage but Bay may have chosen to film some of the scenes for a flash back from different angles then were shown in the first film so that they truly look like they were film from a satellite.

Its also possible that Bay is taking this opportunity to film "extras" for a Blue Ray Box set in the future.

All of these are very likely and very obvious when you think about it.

Now I'm not trying to say that any of this is the case but its just as likely as Bay useing Jazz for a second film.

And at least if any of my guesses pan out Bay wont be lasbled a lier.

Not that he cares anyway.

You make good points, but i dont see Bay doing a flashback involving the Solstace, a flashback to Cybertron i can imagine, but they wouldnt require the Solstace for that.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

You make good points, but i dont see Bay doing a flashback involving the Solstace,

I can see him doing it.I dont want him to do it but I can very much see Bay thinking it was a good idea.

a flashback to Cybertron i can imagine, but they wouldnt require the Solstace for that.

Thats true.

[Peter_Porker]

I was thinking the simpliest thing would be for the Autobots to repair Jazz, but wouldn't that totally go against everything they stated from the first movie with the cube giving life to all Transformers?

I really don't know how this is going to work....but I hope it's not stupid.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The full tittle has been released

Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen
http://www.reserveresult.com/2008/06/transformers-2-revenge-of-fallen.html

With this tittle I can see a Jazz clone story working.

But this might be BS

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I can see him doing it.I dont want him to do it but I can very much see Bay thinking it was a good idea.



Thats true.

If they do go that route, i hope its the full fight with Megatron!

I was thinking the simpliest thing would be for the Autobots to repair Jazz, but wouldn't that totally go against everything they stated from the first movie with the cube giving life to all Transformers?

I really don't know how this is going to work....but I hope it's not stupid.

The simplist and most realistic explanation would be for that final piece of Allspark to revive him, i hope they go that route.

[Golgo-13]

The full tittle has been released

Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen
http://www.reserveresult.com/2008/06/transformers-2-revenge-of-fallen.html

With this tittle I can see a Jazz clone story working.

But this might be BS

'Revenge' seems to be a word more associated with 'evil', so i think it plays more to Megatron's return as oppose to Jazz's.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

'Revenge' seems to be a word more associated with 'evil', so i think it plays more to Megatron's return as oppose to Jazz's.

I was thinking that Jazz or his clone might go bad.

[M.O.Steel]

i'm pretty sure revenge of the fallen is about megatron or even starscream.

jazz wouldn't want to avenge his death because the other team members "took care of it". (even if it was an unsuccessful attempt)

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

jazz wouldn't want to avenge his death because the other team members "took care of it". (even if it was an unsuccessful attempt)

Like I said I'm talking about Jazz or a clone of him going bad as in evil and seaking revenge on everybody.

So in theroy Jazz would be the Fallen the tital is refering to.

Ether way its just an idea I had nothing more.

[M.O.Steel]

ofcourse...i was just saying what i thought. not that you are wrong.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

ofcourse...i was just saying what i thought. not that you are wrong.

I was just trying to make myself clear.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I was thinking that Jazz or his clone might go bad.

That would be cool to see, I remember in 'Target:2006' when Galvatron lobotimzes Jazz and he takes out 5 Autobots on his own, with one of them being Jetfire! That would be cool to see.

But i would rather they brought him back good, and I REALLY hope he gets a re-match with Megatron.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

That would be cool to see, I remember in 'Target:2006' when Galvatron lobotimzes Jazz and he takes out 5 Autobots on his own, with one of them being Jetfire! That would be cool to see.

Thats what I was thinking about.