The Obama Thread (Merged x6)

[Matt]

I've seen those polls, but polls aren't worth much. At least in New Hampshire. Also, I believe his ability to speak about faith combined with the seething hate that she brings out in people (some independents who might consider Obama depending on who the Rapeublican is) make him a better general election candidate. Her "experience" includes Hillary-care, her baking cookies comment, and any other number ofVincethings thatFosterI can't think of.

I agree they aren't worth much, but if Obama says something like "She can't win in the primaries!" and then Hillary pulls out poll numbers, Joe Q. Public is going to say "What the hell is Obama talking about!?! Is he that desperate!?!"

[Excel]

Polling shows that Hillary has far more national support than Obama in the general election.

Her support wont get any bigger, obamas can and so cna mccain or romney.

[rdh007]

That is true, he would look desperate. He needs to continue to appeal to our better selves just like his newest critic used to. If Bill would just come out, say nice things about his wife, and refuse to comment on other stuff, he'd remind us of the dude we voted for in 92. (My first ever vote cast was for William Jefferson Clinton) I wouldn't recommend him (Obama) saying that, but then again, I'm no James Carville/Karl Rove/Insert Name Here.

[Matt]

Her support wont get any bigger, obamas can and so cna mccain or romney.

It doesn't matter if it can or her's can't (and you really have nothing to back either of those statements up with Excel, so you are sort of making an ass of yourself). Right now, she is beating most Republicans in national polls (with some mixed results for McCain). If Obama said something so stupid as "Hillary can't win," the Hillary camp would flaunt those poll numbers like they are the bible. The media would eat it up. And the public would see Obama as some kind of desperate liar who is just trying to keep his campaign clinging to life. It would be his Dukakis moment. He would come off as a total ass.

[rdh007]

Her support wont get any bigger, obamas can and so cna mccain or romney.
In fairness, in the general election she'll have every Democrat and maybe a few independents. But McCain (and Romney) can both tack to the center in the general and snipe more independents away from her.

[Damiean Dark]

I think age and health are a big factor. Especially if he nominates some Cheney-esque nut job to balance his ticket only to die 2 years into his presidency and leave us with a man who has no business being president.

I think so too have you really looked at Mccain? he is a very old man i remember listening to a radio show host who said you can tell a mans health by the way he walks from behind watch a shot of mccain from behind walking the guy is almost crawling no way i think he could survive the presure of 4/8 years in the house imo. Clinton has a steele under her small frame it may not be completely likable but you can tell she can play hardball with any world leader and take any pressure throw at her thats why she would get my vote.

[kronos251]

McCain's running mate will probably be either Huckabee or Crist.

Sadly I like either of them even less than I like McCain.
How about McCain and Giuliani? Just a thought.........

[The Senator]

How about McCain and Giuliani? Just a thought.........

That would severely cripple McCain's chances, I think. Giuliani is the least-liked Republican candidate, and doesn't add anything McCain would find desirable. A liberal mayor who ran his presidential campaign on fear and exploiting 9/11? Probably not a good idea.

I'm expecting McCain-Patreus, since Lieberman ruled himself out of the running yesterday.

[Matt]

That would severely cripple McCain's chances, I think. Giuliani is the least-liked Republican candidate, and doesn't add anything McCain would find desirable. A liberal mayor who ran his presidential campaign on fear and exploiting 9/11? Probably not a good idea.

I'm expecting McCain-Patreus, since Lieberman ruled himself out of the running yesterday.

I just can't see how Petraeus can help McCain that much. McCain already has the strong on defense war hero thing going for him. I think he is going to need a major social neo-con to appease the base.

[Varient]

Depressing.

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=3820

In addition to the noise,.. we now have folk being less than subtle with the thought that Obama will be killed if he makes it into office,...


Further proof that we are still more than a decade away from people being able to accept a Black Male as President.

Meh.

[Erzengel]

I still think we as a nation we are quite sexist and still think we'd see a Black President before a Female one.

[sinewave]

I think so too have you really looked at Mccain? he is a very old man i remember listening to a radio show host who said you can tell a mans health by the way he walks from behind watch a shot of mccain from behind walking the guy is almost crawling no way i think he could survive the presure of 4/8 years in the house imo. Clinton has a steele under her small frame it may not be completely likable but you can tell she can play hardball with any world leader and take any pressure throw at her thats why she would get my vote.

true, mccain's got a lot of physical problems from his years spent as a POW. he can't even lift his arms above his shoulders. you made a good point about hillary. yes, she comes off as a cold, calculating *****, but she kind of needs to build up that reputation if she's going to be taken seriously on the world stage. otherwise, people would accuse her of being a stereotypical weak female. i'm not saying that women are weak or inferior, mind you, just that there are backwards thinking people like that everywhere, especially many of the middle eastern countries.

[Varient]

I still think we as a nation we are quite sexist and still think we'd see a Black President before a Female one.

Meh.

I still think that it's a decade away.

And I expect a white woman would make it first because that was the path civil rights took.

V.

[Darthphere]

I still think we as a nation we are quite sexist and still think we'd see a Black President before a Female one.

I agree, I was having this same exact conversation with some friends. And I honestly, believe it to be true.

[Lightning Strykez!]

He wont and hillary will not pull the troops out either. Come on. :rolleyes:

Thank you. :up:

None of them are going to do it.

[Lightning Strykez!]

That is true, he would look desperate. He needs to continue to appeal to our better selves just like his newest critic used to. If Bill would just come out, say nice things about his wife, and refuse to comment on other stuff, he'd remind us of the dude we voted for in 92.

Perhaps. But the damage is already done, and to be quite frank, the tone has been set for her campaign.

We all know now that if people vote her into office, they are effectively asking for a co-presidency...as he will NOT be fading into the background.

[The Senator]

I just can't see how Petraeus can help McCain that much. McCain already has the strong on defense war hero thing going for him. I think he is going to need a major social neo-con to appease the base.

If McCain wants to run on a platform which promotes success in Iraq, then he will choose David Patreus. Patreus has been praised universally by the Republican Party. Not only that, it puts a successful mission in Iraq at the forefront of his campaign, allowing him to forget the economy and focus solely on a victory abroad. That's what he's in for; to "fix" Iraq and emerge as a hero on a national front. And why not choose David Patreus? McCain's praise for him has almost bordered a sick love affair.

[Malice]

I dont think Patreus will be picked.
I dont think he want to be in politics...also, I think he will pick a VP that give him more coverage on the left .... I think, could be wrong of course

[FaT_tONle]

Clinton is cooked... man she sounded like a cheer leader on that stage last night.... "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FLORIDA.... GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DEMOCRATS... WE'LL WIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN".... she was hanging by a thread to begin with... the thread has been cut... I say to America: "let her go"

[Venom'sDad]

:up:

[The Senator]

I say to the Democratic Party and Obama supporters in general:

If you want Obama to be your nominee, then get off your ass and VOTE. And don't just vote... volunteer, recruit your friends and family, go door to door... convince people that this man is worth voting for. Convince them that he is the right candidate. You can't start a movement and you certainly can't expect change if you're sitting around all day, arguing about how he's different from Hillary to people on a message board. If you live in California, if you live in New Jersey, Texas, Connecticut, Massachusetts or any state that is up next week, get organized today. One person can't make a difference, but an entire wave of people can.

And if you don't vote, if you don't try to get your candidate elected, then you shouldn't complain when he loses.

[rdh007]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[deathfromabove]

I say to the Democratic Party and Obama supporters in general:

If you want Obama to be your nominee, then get off your ass and VOTE. And don't just vote... volunteer, recruit your friends and family, go door to door... convince people that this man is worth voting for. Convince them that he is the right candidate. You can't start a movement and you certainly can't expect change if you're sitting around all day, arguing about how he's different from Hillary to people on a message board. If you live in California, if you live in New Jersey, Texas, Connecticut, Massachusetts or any state that is up next week, get organized today. One person can't make a difference, but an entire wave of people can.

And if you don't vote, if you don't try to get your candidate elected, then you shouldn't complain when he loses.

excellent post.

anyone who does not vote loses their right to complain.

[cookiva]

I say to the Democratic Party and Obama supporters in general:

If you want Obama to be your nominee, then get off your ass and VOTE. And don't just vote... volunteer, recruit your friends and family, go door to door... convince people that this man is worth voting for. Convince them that he is the right candidate. You can't start a movement and you certainly can't expect change if you're sitting around all day, arguing about how he's different from Hillary to people on a message board. If you live in California, if you live in New Jersey, Texas, Connecticut, Massachusetts or any state that is up next week, get organized today. One person can't make a difference, but an entire wave of people can.

And if you don't vote, if you don't try to get your candidate elected, then you shouldn't complain when he loses.

Thank you. I campaigned for Kucinich down here. I loved the guy. Backing Obama pissed me off, but he is still a good guy. I wanted to work on Edwards' campaign, but I didn't have time. Don't complain, do your part.

[YsoSerious]

Hillary's biggest weakness, is that Bill?

[souvlaki]

Hillary's biggest weakness, is that Bill?

Hillary's biggest weakness is herself. I would go one step further and say she is Bill's biggest weakness too. A lot of people that supported Clinton's presidency in the 90's cant stand Hillary. On the bright side, if she gets elected we have another eight years where we can make fun of our president's photogenic qualities.

http://www.newslose.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/hillary_clinton.jpg

[amazingfantasy15]

excellent post.

anyone who does not vote loses their right to complain.

I completely disagree with this statement and always have. The reason is, all too often and in the last two presidential elections especially it's been a choice between the lesser of two evils. F that! By not voting or voting for "write-in canidate x" I'm saying, give me someone I can vote for, not the lesser of two evils.

[jaguarr]

I'm gonna pull a "terry" and not post the whole article, but, here it is:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4230183&page=1


Interesting that this is coming back up. It was something that was talked about early on but definitely not something anyone's thought to be even a remote possibility given how nasty the Clinton's have been in their campaign against Obama, and even in how he's responded. The article points out some instances where stranger things have happened, though. I'm not sure I see this actually happening, but I won't say "never".

jag

[hippie_hunter]

I really doubt that is going to happen. This would end up being like Bill Clinton and Al Gore where they end up hating each other like they do right now.

[Chris B]

I can't see it happening either. I think both are going to want to balance the ticket by going with the standard white guy.

[The Professor]

It's not going to happen. If Edwards decides to give an endorsement, he'll probably be their first picks. I think Obama/Edwards is a strong possibility, more so than Clinton/Edwards.

[jaguarr]

Edwards already said he wasn't interested in being anyone's running mate as he'd already been there and done that before.

jag

[Lightning Strykez!]

Thank you. I campaigned for Kucinich down here. I loved the guy. Backing Obama pissed me off, but he is still a good guy. I wanted to work on Edwards' campaign, but I didn't have time. Don't complain, do your part.

Wait: Kucinich is endorsing Barack Obama? When did this take place?? :huh:

[The Senator]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this happens, and I wouldn't be opposed to it, either.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I doubt that Edwards will take the No. 2 notch again. And although Obama and Billary were civil last night, don't expect it to last.

Super Tuesday is just around the corner: Things WILL get ugly. The only reason why Billary stayed somewhat respectful in the Hollywood debate is because she knows if she cracks her face antagonistically, it will only reinforce voters' fears that she is not electable--or likable.

[Excel]

It has Begun.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080202/ap_on_el_pr/obama_mccain

And wow, thats a shockingly weak response from clinton. Barrack says the opposite of McCain because its age vs. youth, past vs. future, war-lover against war-hater, ect.

Hillarys camp: Im more of a contrast to him than Barrack because my health care covers everybody Barracks doesnt.

:huh: :huh:

[kronos251]

Edwards will not go through that road again. He is not that dumb and forgetful.

Clinton and Obama as a tandem... :/


Who do you think will swallow their pride first and accept the VP position?

[Joker]

what Obama needs to do is release the footage/audio we all know he has of Hillary saying the N-Word. You know he has that with every single candidate on both side already, just waiting till he falls a bit behind to release it...at least, that's what a smart person would do :o

[Matt]

Edwards seems to be trying to get an attorney general spot to me. As for Obama and Clinton on the same ticket? It would be suicide. This race has gotten so ridiculously dirty its not even funny. We will have 6 months of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly playing sound clips of the two running mates trashing one another.

[The Senator]

Edwards seems to be trying to get an attorney general spot to me. As for Obama and Clinton on the same ticket? It would be suicide. This race has gotten so ridiculously dirty its not even funny. We will have 6 months of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly playing sound clips of the two running mates trashing one another.

We also have six months of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Tom Tancredo and Rick Santorum riling conservatives against McCain-- which they've all said they would do. So really, it will even out.

[Matt]

We also have six months of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Tom Tancredo and Rick Santorum riling conservatives against McCain-- which they've all said they would do. So really, it will even out.

The only difference is, we don't have the forum to play them. People watch O'Reilly and listen to Rush. No one gives a damn about NPR on the other hand :csad:

[The Professor]

The only difference is, we don't have the forum to play them. People watch O'Reilly and listen to Rush. No one gives a damn about NPR on the other hand :csad:

Sad but true.

[MaskedManJRK]

I really doubt that is going to happen. This would end up being like Bill Clinton and Al Gore where they end up hating each other like they do right now.

Except it would be even worse, because Obama and Clinton already hate each other--I can see it in their eyes. :o

[Ghostvirus]

If Hillary wins the nomination, I could see Obama playing second fiddle. The Only thing that is holding Obama back right now is experience. What better experience than to have him be VP for 4 or 8 years. & if Hillary does a decent enough job. That would insure An Obam presidency in 2016.

[Matt]

If Hillary wins the nomination, I could see Obama playing second fiddle. The Only thing that is holding Obama back right now is experience. What better experience than to have him be VP for 4 or 8 years. & if Hillary does a decent enough job. That would insure An Obam presidency in 2016.


1) What incentive does Hillary have to take him? He really doesn't balance her ticket and their dirty campaign against each other will be used against them. Plus...a woman and black man, might as well give the Republicans every southern and middle state.

2) What incentive does Obama has to accept? Even if he loses the nomination, if he stays in the Senate he can continue to stay nationally relevant, build up the experience he needs and continue to "control his own fate" if you will. Meanwhile, assuming Clinton does take the White House, what if she loses her bid for re-election? What if her policies are wildly unpopular? What if she leaves office much like Bush is going to with a 10-20 % approval rating? Doesn't exactly put Obama in a good position.

Regardless of who wins or loses, these two would be best just going their seperate ways.

[Ghostvirus]

1) What incentive does Hillary have to take him? He really doesn't balance her ticket and their dirty campaign against each other will be used against them. Plus...a woman and black man, might as well give the Republicans every southern and middle state.

2) What incentive does Obama has to accept? Even if he loses the nomination, if he stays in the Senate he can continue to stay nationally relevant, build up the experience he needs and continue to "control his own fate" if you will. Meanwhile, assuming Clinton does take the White House, what if she loses her bid for re-election? What if her policies are wildly unpopular? What if she leaves office much like Bush is going to with a 10-20 % approval rating? Doesn't exactly put Obama in a good position.

Regardless of who wins or loses, these two would be best just going their seperate ways.

There are a whole lot of what if's there. There is a lot that could wrong, but there is no greater experience besides actually being president that being VP.

& as far as you other ifs. There are 2 things that are going to happen by the end of this year.

1. The Patriots will win the superbowl.

2. There will be a democrat in the white house.

Bush has single handedly destroyed the reputation of the Republican party. It is going to take a long time to get there rep back. You could have a black, Mexican female midget immigrant running on the Democratic ticket, & the republicans would probably win, but it would be a squeeker.

[hippie_hunter]

1. The Patriots will win the superbowl.
That's a given

2. There will be a democrat in the white house.
I don't see 2008 being a major victory for the Democrats. They will lose a few seats in the House, seats that the GOP lost in 2006 that are naturally Republican will go back to Republican hands (like Mark Foley's district). However this will be countered by the Democrats keeping their majority in the House and winning one or two more seats in the Senate (Virginia for sure and probably Colorado or New Hampshire).

As for the White House race, it all depends on who gets the nomination to go up against John McCain. Both Obama and Clinton lose to McCain in most polls but Obama has the best chance. If Obama gets elected it's going to be a tough race. Hillary, McCain will win.

[StorminNorman]

2. There will be a democrat in the white house.

Bush has single handedly destroyed the reputation of the Republican party. It is going to take a long time to get there rep back. You could have a black, Mexican female midget immigrant running on the Democratic ticket, & the republicans would probably win, but it would be a squeeker.

Thanks for an incredibly ignorant, out of touch statement.

[Venom'sDad]

:pal: I agree

[Ghostvirus]

I don't see 2008 being a major victory for the Democrats. They will lose a few seats in the House, seats that the GOP lost in 2006 that are naturally Republican will go back to Republican hands (like Mark Foley's district). However this will be countered by the Democrats keeping their majority in the House and winning one or two more seats in the Senate (Virginia for sure and probably Colorado or New Hampshire).

As for the White House race, it all depends on who gets the nomination to go up against John McCain. Both Obama and Clinton lose to McCain in most polls but Obama has the best chance. If Obama gets elected it's going to be a tough race. Hillary, McCain will win.

True. I think if anyone can win it would be McCain.

Thanks for an incredibly ignorant, out of touch statement.

LOL. nice insight.:up:

[Ghostvirus]

:pal: I agree

You got a little brown on your nose there buddy.

[Kelly]

I could see it as a Clinton/Obama ticket....which would mean 16 years of Democratic presidents almost guaranteed......I do not believe that there will be an Obama/Clinton.....I don't think Clinton's ego would go for that....

[Ghostvirus]

^ totally. There is no reason for Clinton to play second fiddle. I think if Obama wins, then Edwards might reconsider not playing second fiddle.

[hippie_hunter]

I think Edwards is just trying to get the Attorney General position in either Obama or Clinton's Cabinet. He knows that they aren't going to get him for the running mate spot. Hillary is either going to choose Bayh or Clark and Obama is going to chose someone who doesn't come off as a socialist but someone who can help with his uniter image, a more moderate Democrat to try and balance his liberal voting record.

[The Senator]

That's a given


I don't see 2008 being a major victory for the Democrats. They will lose a few seats in the House, seats that the GOP lost in 2006 that are naturally Republican will go back to Republican hands (like Mark Foley's district). However this will be countered by the Democrats keeping their majority in the House and winning one or two more seats in the Senate (Virginia for sure and probably Colorado or New Hampshire).

As for the White House race, it all depends on who gets the nomination to go up against John McCain. Both Obama and Clinton lose to McCain in most polls but Obama has the best chance. If Obama gets elected it's going to be a tough race. Hillary, McCain will win.

According to the Cook Political Report, none of the Democrats currently up for re-election in the House and the Senate face strong challenges. Furthermore, with 15% of the House Republicans retiring, and at least six of those seats were held by liberal Republicans, the Dems may very well add to their majority in the House. There are also two Senate seats (Virginia, New Mexico) which are expected to be handed to the Dems, and two more (Colorado, New Hampshire) which may also go to the Dems. Plus, if McCain wins the Presidency, the Democratic governor of Arizona will have to appoint someone to fulfill the remainder of his term. So even if the Dems lose the White House, their House and Senate prospects are extremely good.

[Ghostvirus]

This is out of left field, but do you think Obama would choose a Kennedy as VP?

[Lightning Strykez!]

You mean someone like Teddy? I doubt it.

I wouldn't be suprised if Obama chose Sebelius. She'd be an interesting person on his ticket, and her experience as a governor would be cited as a plus.

[Ghostvirus]

I don't think Teddy. He has to bad of a rep. I mean a Kennedy that very few if anyone has heard of. It would be a great way to usher in a new era of Kennedy.

I am just throwing sh** out there, because no one really knows what is going to happen until it happens.

[The Senator]

There are two Kennedys from the JFK/ RFK family he would be able to pick, and they both have awful backgrounds which wouldn't help his campaign at all:

1) Rep. Patrick Kennedy (RI)-- after a drunken stupor a couple of years ago, he crashed his car into a barricade at the Capitol Building. When he was pulled over by the Capitol Police (who you don't **** with, by the way), he said he was okay and that he was on his way to a vote-- at 3 in the morning.

2) Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. (NY)-- the man snorted more drugs than Obama himself. Plus, his voice sounds like he swallowed a gallon of hydrochloric acid.

There are other Kennedys out there-- Mark Kennedy from Minnesota and John Kennedy from Louisiana-- but they're Republicans.

[hippie_hunter]

According to the Cook Political Report, none of the Democrats currently up for re-election in the House and the Senate face strong challenges. Furthermore, with 15% of the House Republicans retiring, and at least six of those seats were held by liberal Republicans, the Dems may very well add to their majority in the House. There are also two Senate seats (Virginia, New Mexico) which are expected to be handed to the Dems, and two more (Colorado, New Hampshire) which may also go to the Dems. Plus, if McCain wins the Presidency, the Democratic governor of Arizona will have to appoint someone to fulfill the remainder of his term. So even if the Dems lose the White House, their House and Senate prospects are extremely good.

The Senate prospects are very good. I was just refering to states that will be taken. Virigina will be taken by the Democrats. That isn't up for debate. And you're right New Mexico will most likely be taken. Colorado and New Hampshire though are more of tossups though. It's hard to tell if the Republican or the Democrats will win those. I think that the Democrats will win at least one of those two seats.

However, they will lose seats in the House. Florida's 16th District (Mark Foley's former district) is solidly Republican. The guy who replaced him, won by only 2 points to a freaking write-in. The Republicans will take that seat. They will also take the seats that they lost in Texas. They'll probably take a few others but as I said, the Democrats will keep their majority, it's just going to be smaller.

And frankly the prize they want the most, the White House, I think will remain in Republican hands.

[Cory]

screw HillBilly or Billary, whatever u prefer. Screw Suckabee...and screw McCant..

OBAMA FTW. hes by far the best candidate...lets hope he takes california tonight :)

[The Senator]

Did this need its own thread?

[hippie_hunter]

Obama blows. He's the worst candidate of the lot.

[Cory]

Obama blows. He's the worst candidate of the lot.
:whatever:

last time we got a republican look what happened...

and Hillary, wow, whos running her or bill?

[Bond]

:csad:

I like Obama...

[Cory]

bond is the man, what he says..goes.

[Bond]

yayayaya!

Lol

[The Senator]

I :heart: Hillary!

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well...this thread will probably be closed. FTW. :p

[Lightning Strykez!]

I :heart: Hillary!

Ah....but she doesn't love you. ;)

[hippie_hunter]

:whatever:

last time we got a republican look what happened...

and Hillary, wow, whos running her or bill?

George W. Bush was a horrible President, plain and simple. But I'd rather vote for a candidate that has an actual platform, which is something all the other candidates, except for Obama, have. Change, hope, and unity is not a platform.

[The Senator]

Ah....but she doesn't love you. ;)

Well, I like men, so it doesn't have to be mutual :o

[Cory]

ah yes im in GA and love that obama won.

and god its lame when someone posts simply to say "this is gonna get closed" blah blah.

[Cory]

George W. Bush was a horrible President, plain and simple. But I'd rather vote for a candidate that has an actual platform. Change, hope, and unity is not a platform.

assuming your a mccain fan?

[hippie_hunter]

assuming your a mccain fan?
I voted for Ron Paul, but McCain is my second choice.

I'd rather vote for douchebag Romney, Bible humping Huckabee, and carpetbagging Clinton than Obama.

[Cory]

why do u hate obama so much? its tough to deny hes very smart and a potentially good leader, he did great things in illinois.

[The Senator]

why do u hate obama so much? its tough to deny hes very smart and a potentially good leader, he did great things in illinois.

I personally don't like Obama because he was running for President the moment the media fell in love with his convention speech. He's been in the Senate for three years, and one third of that time he's spent running for President. He's missed important votes in the Senate, and is running on potential vs. experience. That sort of thing will be slaughtered in the general election.

But if his message of hope and faith can blind voters, then so be it. But I just don't like people who run on ideology alone, especially in a time when experience is necessary to put America back on the right track, and I especially don't like it when people compare themselves to past Presidents, ala Reagan and Kennedy. That's why the entire Republican party turns me off, and why Obama has annoyed me more than ever as of late.

[hippie_hunter]

why do u hate obama so much? its tough to deny hes very smart and a potentially good leader, he did great things in illinois.

What did he do in Illinois? He has a horrible attendance record in both the Illinois state legislature and the US Senate. He's gained prominence because he's charasmatic, but the ideas he does put out are really, really bad (leaving 5,000 troops in Iraq, tariffs on ethanol, cutting NASA, etc). He has no true platform, change, unity, and hope is not a platform. And he claims to be an outsider but he's not. He's a Washington politician that has taken lobbyist money, and mudslings just like the rest of them.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well, I like men, so it doesn't have to be mutual :o

Well, if that's the case, why not just be shallow-minded and vote Obama? He's clearly the hottest man running. :hehe:









;)

[The Senator]

Well, if that's the case, why not just be shallow-minded and vote Obama? He's clearly the hottest man running. :hehe:









;)

Not as hot as Evan Bayh would have been :csad:

[Cory]

I personally don't like Obama because he was running for President the moment the media fell in love with his convention speech. He's been in the Senate for three years, and one third of that time he's spent running for President. He's missed important votes in the Senate, and is running on potential vs. experience. That sort of thing will be slaughtered in the general election.

But if his message of hope and faith can blind voters, then so be it. But I just don't like people who run on ideology alone, especially in a time when experience is necessary to put America back on the right track, and I especially don't like it when people compare themselves to past Presidents, ala Reagan and Kennedy. That's why the entire Republican party turns me off, and why Obama has annoyed me more than ever as of late.

thats what all the candidates are doing in my eyes.

but what makes hillary so much better? other then the fact her husband fights her battles as much, if not more than she does?

just discussing btw, nothing serious :)

[Lightning Strykez!]

Not as hot as Evan Bayh would have been :csad:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:U9RbmOvBuRVbmM:http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/08/06/gore.bush.01/link.bayh.ap.jpg

Hmmm....*scratches goatee*

Okay, I'll give you that. But sadly, he ain't here. So I guess he wasn't hot enough. LOL

Maybe Obama will pick him for his running buddy.

[Cory]

colbert 08 FTW? :ninja: :)

[The Senator]

thats what all the candidates are doing in my eyes.

but what makes hillary so much better? other then the fact her husband fights her battles as much, if not more than she does?

just discussing btw, nothing serious :)

I'm voting for her, not her husband. I've said time and time again that he's been a bumbling cock and a liability throughout this campaign.

But I think she's a damn hawk, and her Senate record has matched my politics more than the other candidates. Plus, she brought jobs, resources and other funding to my part of New York, which was and still is economically stagnant.

So, it's based on how she matches me politically, and what she's done for my state.

[The Senator]

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Hmmm....*scratches goatee*

Okay, I'll give you that. But sadly, he ain't here. So I guess he wasn't hot enough. LOL

Maybe Obama will pick him for his running buddy.

He's got a better chance of being Hillary's VP, so right now, supporting her is win-win for me.

[Indie]

My dad was watching Fox today, and they did this huge puff piece on Obama, and then tore Hillery to shreds. it was really weird, epically since it was FOX.

[Lightning Strykez!]

But I think she's a damn hawk, and her Senate record has matched my politics more than the other candidates. Plus, she brought jobs, resources and other funding to my part of New York, which was and still is economically stagnant.


Meh. And which burrough is that? I'm not feeling the "Hillary effect" over here on the Promendade. :dry:


He's got a better chance of being Hillary's VP, so right now, supporting her is win-win for me.

LOL Now that would be interesting to see. How much you wanna bet Evan will be Hillary's Monica? :D

[The Senator]

Meh. And which burrough is that? I'm not feeling the "Hillary effect" over here on the Promendade. :dry:

The borough of Buffalo, NY :dry:




LOL Now that would be interesting to see. How much you wanna bet Evan will be Hillary's Monica? :D

I bet it already happened :o

[Excel]

this thread jinxed his cali chances

[Cory]

so what will mccain do, besides be bushlike and start a war with iran?

[Lightning Strykez!]

The borough of Buffalo, NY :dry:



Oh. A Northerner. :o






j/k :p

[Cory]

this thread jinxed his cali chances

oh no!


:whatever:

:oldrazz:

[Indie]

so what will mccain do, besides be bushlike and start a war with iran?

I wish ron paul would win the Republican ticket. I guess he has this quick and solid plan to pull completely out of Iraq. If he and Obama were running, no mater who won, the war would be over.

[The Senator]

Oh. A Northerner. :o






j/k :p

It's okay. I don't live there any more.

[hippie_hunter]

Oh. A Northerner. :o






j/k :p

Upstate rules :cmad:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Upstate rules :cmad:

Psssh. It does not. :o

We--the islands--rule. And we will always will.

[hippie_hunter]

Psssh. It does not. :o

We--the islands--rule. And we will always will.
No wonder why a good amount of New Yorkers want New York City out of the state :o

[The Senator]

Psssh. It does not. :o

We--the islands--rule. And we will always will.

I actually agree. Sometimes I confuse Upstate for the South :csad:

[gkokujin]

GOT DAMN YOU JOHN EDWARDS!!!!

you're RUINING it for EVERYONE!

[Lightning Strykez!]

No wonder why a good amount of New Yorkers want New York City out of the state :o

Whatever. Go tip some cows or something. :p

[Lightning Strykez!]

GOT DAMN YOU JOHN EDWARDS!!!!

you're RUINING it for EVERYONE!

I have to agree with this. He is proving to be a substantial spoiler in some of these races. Which is why I think he refused to endorse anyone.

"Revenge is a dish that is best served cold" beeyotches! :cmad:

[hippie_hunter]

Whatever. Go tip some cows or something. :p

Go breathe your stinky smelly air. :cmad:

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton wins Arizona.

[hippie_hunter]

I actually agree. Sometimes I confuse Upstate for the South :csad:
The funny thing is that if New York City became its own district, New York would turn into a Republican stronghold.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Go breathe your stinky smelly air. :cmad:

Smog is good for the soul. :o

I need to make a run to the store. Be back in a few beeyotches. :up:

[The Professor]

Hilary and McCain projected to win California

OBAMA FTW

[The Senator]

The funny thing is that if New York City became its own district, New York would turn into a Republican stronghold.

And that's why I love the City. It counters all the ignorance I've encountered in Upstate.

[hippie_hunter]

And that's why I love the City. It counters all the ignorance I've encountered in Upstate.

Upstate isn't ignorant...it's just really, really conservative sometimes. I'm the most liberal person I know with my family and friends :csad:

[The Senator]

Upstate isn't ignorant...it's just really, really conservative sometimes. I'm the most liberal person I know with my family and friends :csad:

Being a gay liberal is not something they take kindly to there, hence why I have no plans to return.

[hippie_hunter]

Being a gay liberal is not something they take kindly to there, hence why I have no plans to return.

You're gay?

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton and McCain win California

[The Senator]

You're gay?

Yes.

[Cory]

looks like obama willwin missouri

[hippie_hunter]

Yes.

Then I can see why you don't like Upstate :csad:

[Cory]

alright guys im outta here, i got class early. gnight all....

hope no one got offended or anything, im justconversing. see yall tomorrow

[The Senator]

alright guys im outta here, i got class early. gnight all....

hope no one got offended or anything, im justconversing. see yall tomorrow

No, it's all in good fun :up:

[hippie_hunter]

alright guys im outta here, i got class early. gnight all....

hope no one got offended or anything, im justconversing. see yall tomorrow

Well...as an ignorant redneck upstater I was horribly offended :cmad:

[The Senator]

Well...as an ignorant redneck upstater I was horribly offended :cmad:

I'm sure you're not a redneck, unless you've got Thunderbird sitting on cinder blocks in your front yard :oldrazz:

[Cory]

Well...as an ignorant redneck upstater I was horribly offended :cmad:

sorry :(:(:(

[hippie_hunter]

sorry :(:(:(

You better well be. :cmad:

[hippie_hunter]

I'm sure you're not a redneck, unless you've got Thunderbird sitting on cinder blocks in your front yard :oldrazz:

There's a rusty '88 Ford truck just sitting there in the backyard filled with rotting wood.

[The Senator]

There's a rusty '88 Ford truck just sitting there in the backyard filled with rotting wood.

Oh. Well, I'm sorry, then :csad:

[hippie_hunter]

Oh. Well, I'm sorry, then :csad:

If it makes you feel better, I'm only half-redneck. I have an Upstate father and a Long Island mother.

[The Chairman]

I grow up in a part of New York that makes upstate look radically left.

[hippie_hunter]

I grow up in a part of New York that makes upstate look radically left.

And what part is that?

[The Chairman]

And what part is that?

Staten Island, where Bush got 93 % of the vote in 2004.

[The Professor]

Staten Island, where Bush got 93 % of the vote in 2004.

Wowwww. That's quite the landslide.

[hippie_hunter]

Staten Island, where Bush got 93 % of the vote in 2004.

1. Staten Island is not radically right wing, it's a Republican leaning part of New York City.

2. Bush won with 57% of the vote there.

[Norman Bates]

I grow up in a part of New York that makes upstate look radically left.


Staten Island is hardly that conservative.

[The Chairman]

1. Staten Island is not radically right wing, it's a Republican leaning part of New York City.

2. Bush won with 57% of the vote there.

Try living there. It's unabashedly conservative, in addition to being dull, lifeless and unequivocally boring. And I remember reading in the local paper that Bush scored that much. Or maybe my dad was exaggerating because he loves Bush more than most people would (or should) care to admit.

My dad wants to buy me an apartment in Park Slope, because that's where my people live.

[hippie_hunter]

Try living there. It's unabashedly conservative, in addition to being dull, lifeless and unequivocally boring. And I remember reading in the local paper that Bush scored that much. Or maybe my dad was exaggerating because he loves Bush more than most people would (or should) care to admit.

My dad wants to buy me an apartment in Park Slope, because that's where my people live.

It's probably and overexaggeration, Bush didn't win that area by such a large margin, especially in New York City.

Also there are about 30,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans in Staten Island.

Your place isn't that conservative. It's moderate.

[The Senator]

Bah, screw Staten Island.

Anyway, for all you Obamaniacs out there... your guy will be the big winner in the end. His landslides in those western caucus states have given him a huge edge in delegates, even without a major victory in California. According to CNN, even if he loses by thirty percent of the vote, he'll have a four-eight point lead in delegates.

Congrats :up:

[The Chairman]

It's probably and overexaggeration, Bush didn't win that area by such a large margin, especially in New York City.

Also there are about 30,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans in Staten Island.

Your place isn't that conservative. It's moderate.

It certainly feels that way, at least compared to the rest of New York, with the exception of areas like Westchester.

[The Chairman]

Bah, screw Staten Island.

We have some great restaurants, and a really big suspension bridge.

But yeah, other than that, it sucks.

[Norman Bates]

Try living there. It's unabashedly conservative, in addition to being dull, lifeless and unequivocally boring. And I remember reading in the local paper that Bush scored that much. Or maybe my dad was exaggerating because he loves Bush more than most people would (or should) care to admit.

My dad wants to buy me an apartment in Park Slope, because that's where my people live.


I live there. Maybe I can see the Todt Hill crowd being a conservative part of town since it's an area filled with old rich folks.. but other than that, I see SI as pretty moderate.

[The Chairman]

Bah, screw Staten Island.

Anyway, for all you Obamaniacs out there... your guy will be the big winner in the end. His landslides in those western caucus states have given him a huge edge in delegates, even without a major victory in California. According to CNN, even if he loses by thirty percent of the vote, he'll have a four-eight point lead in delegates.

Congrats :up:

Well, you Hil supporters played a pretty good game.

[hippie_hunter]

So I think we can all agree then that I'm the redneck of this bunch. I mean I have a redneck father, I'm a registered Republican, have a rusting truck back home, and I live upstate.

[The Senator]

So I think we can all agree then that I'm the redneck of this bunch. I mean I have a redneck father, I'm a registered Republican, have a rusting truck back home, and I live upstate.

Agreed.

Plus, you hate hippies.

[The Chairman]

I live there. Maybe I can see the Todt Hill crowd being a conservative part of town since it's an area filled with old rich folks.. but other than that, I see SI as pretty moderate.

Todt Hill is definitely conservative IMO. For some reason Hugenot (or however they spell it) also strikes me as conservative.

[Norman Bates]

Todt Hill is definitely conservative IMO. For some reason Hugenot (or however they spell it) also strikes me as conservative.

Hugenot/Tottenville is the hood of Staten Island. :cmad:

[The Chairman]

Hugenot/Tottenville is the hood of Staten Island. :cmad:

Tottenville definitely is. The kids there are dangerous. And not I'm even saying it to be funny.

[Norman Bates]

I know, I went to Tottenville HS. Scary times indeed. People dismiss SI on how dangerous it can be when compared to other boroughs such as the Bronx and Brooklyn but when crossing paths with bored rich kids on a Saturday night, God knows what can happen. It's sickening really.. this place is a cess pool and I blame all the snobby stuck up parents. If it were up to me, I'd ban child birth for 10 years. I've lived in all the boroughs at some point but grew up in SI, and out of all of them, I've had the most crap handed to me on SI. When I lived in The Bronx, South Bronx, mind you..nothing. And I'm pretty damn white if I do say so.

[Joker]

So is it officialy Barrack? I actually went to the caucus for the first time ever to throw my vote in for him. So, official, ftw?

[Ahura Mazda]

May I ask why you consider Obama the winner when it shows Clinton in the lead in terms of delegates?

[Ghostvirus]

So I was just on MSN.com, & apparently it is too close to call as far as delegates go to call either Hillary, or Obama. This sucks. I was really hoping to get a clearier view of who is going to win the nomination.

[Matt]

Well, if that's the case, why not just be shallow-minded and vote Obama? He's clearly the hottest man running. :hehe:









;)


I think someone is forgetting Romney with his perfect hair and chizzled jaw. *sigh* Not even Lou Diamond Phillips can compare to Romney :heart:

:cwink: :woot:

[The Senator]

May I ask why you consider Obama the winner when it shows Clinton in the lead in terms of delegates?

Because while she may be leading in the delegates, he certainly didn't come out of Super Tuesday a loser. This race won't be decided for weeks, maybe months-- and that benefits him more than it does her.

[Ahura Mazda]

Because while she may be leading in the delegates, he certainly didn't come out of Super Tuesday a loser. This race won't be decided for weeks, maybe months-- and that benefits him more than it does her.

Thanks :up:

[kronos251]

Because while she may be leading in the delegates, he certainly didn't come out of Super Tuesday a loser. This race won't be decided for weeks, maybe months-- and that benefits him more than it does her.

It aint over, til its over. :)

For all we know, there might be something that could come up and change everything...
Like, what if Obama farted or something and it was all caught on tape..... Just like Howard Dean's girly shriek.. that sure destroyed him eh?

We still have a long way to go. More work still has to be done.
Don't give up just yet

[ElToro]

screw HillBilly or Billary, whatever u prefer. Screw Suckabee...and screw McCant..

OBAMA FTW. hes by far the best candidate...lets hope he takes california tonight :)
Too bad buddy
Hillary won California.
WOOOOOOO!!!yea.

[Super_Ludacris]

Tottenville definitely is. The kids there are dangerous. And not I'm even saying it to be funny.

Park Hill FTW

[Zen]

Obama is ahead in delegates right now based on everyones predictions.

California be damned. if he had won it... that would have sealed it, now we have a battle for the next month.

[Cory]

Too bad buddy
Hillary won California.
WOOOOOOO!!!yea.

hes predicted to ahead in delegates...

[Lightning Strykez!]

I think someone is forgetting Romney with his perfect hair and chizzled jaw. *sigh* Not even Lou Diamond Phillips can compare to Romney :heart:

:cwink: :woot:

You have a point there. The chizzled jaw is undeniable. :heart:


So I think we can all agree then that I'm the redneck of this bunch. I mean I have a redneck father, I'm a registered Republican, have a rusting truck back home, and I live upstate.

Well...I have a red-neck father (black mother though) who lives upstate. Maybe we're cousins or something. :p

[Spider-Fan]

I was disappointed in California, but no less, Obama I still feel had a good night. Hillary did what she had to keep this a race. While I think it will be close and take almost all the primaries to do it, I do think Obama is taking the nomination. I know he can count on my vote in the Ohio primary.

Obama FTW :up:

[Chris B]

I've gradually come to have a more negative opinion of him in recent. I truly believe that he would end up being the new Jimmy Carter and get voted out of office in 2012.

[hippie_hunter]

Well...I have a red-neck father (black mother though) who lives upstate. Maybe we're cousins or something. :p

Yee-HAW!!! :woot:

[Arkady Rossovich]

I think Obama will win,but it's going to be a hell of a race.

[Cory]

indeed. obama ftw.

[PyroChamber]

I was just thinking, if Obama does win the presidency do you think black folks will be excited about it the way they were when OJ was found innocent? Everyone shouting in the streets saying "we won" and stuff like that.

[Darkly Dexter]

I've gradually come to have a more negative opinion of him in recent. I truly believe that he would end up being the new Jimmy Carter and get voted out of office in 2012.


Great. Carter's government and his Pro-Human Rights Foreign Policy helped a lot to end more than one Dictatorship here in Latin America.

[The Senator]

I agree with the idea that Obama is the next Carter. There are infinite parallels between the 2008 and 1976 elections.

Republicans

Certainly, Gerald Ford was the frontrunner to receive the nomination because he was the sitting President. But he was also well-established, serving as House Minority Leader before he was appointed VP by Nixon in 1973. In 1976, Ronald Reagan, the former governor of California, emerged to challenge Ford's frontrunner status. For a while, it looked like Reagan could very well topple Ford. But he didn't, and Ford eventually won his party's nomination.

This time, it's McCain versus Romney. McCain was the original frontrunner, seen as "next in line" to win the Presidency. But he faced a severe challenge, and Romney eventually emerged out of the ten candidates as a serious threat once primary season was underway. In this case, Romney is stepping aside, and McCain is now the nominee.

The Democrats

Establishment vs. Change. The only difference is, two prominent candidates embody those terms.

Obama may be the nominee, and if he is, he's the anti-Washington candidate, like Carter.

How it will play out

Alan Lichtman's Keys to the White House say the Democrat will win the election, and I trust his book more than the punditry, because it's been an accurate reflection of Presidential elections since the late 1800s. If Obama wins, he'll try to portray himself as anti-Washington and will try to fix the system. And like Carter, he'll fail miserably, because the establishment can't be fixed or bargained with.

In 2012, Mitt Romney will re-emerge after President Obama fails to clean up anything and instead makes a bigger mess out of Congress and the federal government. Romney will rally the Republican base, and he-- like Reagan-- will become the nominee and possible President four years from now.

[Conebone69]

Obama FTW! The only thing I dont like about him is he wants to raise taxes

[Zen]

Check out this kid Knock the hard questions on Obama outa the Park...

kica8hmSdAM


its inspiring to see people rising up like this

[tzarinna]

If he wins, I'm taking the day off work to go to the inauguration. I'll sleep in the streets for the days to see this ****.

[The Senator]

If he wins, I'm taking the day off work to go to the inauguration. I'll sleep in the streets for the days to see this ****.

I won't be in the country for the inauguration, sadly :csad:

[The Professor]

The Professor predicts that Obama will win the race. The odds are in his favor.

[tzarinna]

I won't be in the country for the inauguration, sadly :csad:

Where will you be?

[terry78]

Obama FTW! The only thing I dont like about him is he wants to raise taxes

Gotta do something to appease the losing side.

[X-Rated]

Check out this kid Knock the hard questions on Obama outa the Park...

kica8hmSdAM


its inspiring to see people rising up like this

:up: :up: :up:

[The Senator]

Where will you be?

Abroad in either Cairo, Berlin or Melbourne.

[souvlaki]

For those interested, AP just announced that Obama did in fact win Super Tuesday by two delegates when all was said and done.

[rdh007]

This Obama - Carter comparison is one I find interesting. It seems that people are using Carter as an example of a situation the Democrats don't want to find themselves in. But, if we're referring to Carter, perhaps we should use a more appropriate title for this conversation. Let's call him
President Carter.

You see, in my feeble mind, the point of this primary is to choose a candidate for President and to try to put someone in the White House. Not to choose the next FDR. You can't get to two terms without a first term. In my mind, and according to some polls (though I give polls at this point little credit--they're not nearly as powerful as Diebold voting machines), Obama's got the best chance to get a first term.

[comicgirl]

The Republican Gov of Il. said he thinks Obama is the right guy, but hopes Rodham-Clinton wins, because the Reps have a "playbook" ready to beat her.































Come on guys, you know Dobson, Falwell, et. al. can't wait to get the "faithful" all worked up.

[CaptainStacy]

Check out this kid Knock the hard questions on Obama outa the Park...

kica8hmSdAM


its inspiring to see people rising up like this



Hehheh...that was great. Note how the interviewer's respect level went up for the young man more and more as the questions progressed. :word:


His thoughts basically echo my own, for the most part.

[Cory]

good video

[rdh007]

Come on guys, you know Dobson, Falwell, et. al. can't wait to get the "faithful" all worked up.
This is exactly why I prefer Obama. He talks about faith like no other Democrat since...Jimmy Carter.

[Rated-X]

Trailer 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOYcM1z5fTs)

Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yf7OImljSI&feature=related)

[rdh007]

Hehheh...that was great. Note how the interviewer's respect level went up for the young man more and more as the questions progressed. :word:


His thoughts basically echo my own, for the most part.
That cat should've just yelled something like "How ya like me now, fool!" at the end.

[rdh007]

Trailer 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOYcM1z5fTs)

Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yf7OImljSI&feature=related)
Anything with Dick Morris and Ann Coulter being quoted can't be taken seriously. I imagine that Edwards and Obama are full of sorrow that they're that close to stink.

[Matt]

This Obama - Carter comparison is one I find interesting. It seems that people are using Carter as an example of a situation the Democrats don't want to find themselves in. But, if we're referring to Carter, perhaps we should use a more appropriate title for this conversation. Let's call him
President Carter.

You see, in my feeble mind, the point of this primary is to choose a candidate for President and to try to put someone in the White House. Not to choose the next FDR. You can't get to two terms without a first term. In my mind, and according to some polls (though I give polls at this point little credit--they're not nearly as powerful as Diebold voting machines), Obama's got the best chance to get a first term.

The purpose of the primary is not only to determine the best CANDIDATE but also the best potential president. Carter's first term was a disaster as was the long term effect it had on the Democratic Party. All of this should be taken into consideration in the primary.

[Matt]

This is exactly why I prefer Obama. He talks about faith like no other Democrat since...Jimmy Carter.

Why is it when a Republican talks faith they are pushing their values on America and nut jobs but when a Democrat does it, they are inspirational? Just asking...

[The Senator]

The Republican Gov of Il. said he thinks Obama is the right guy, but hopes Rodham-Clinton wins, because the Reps have a "playbook" ready to beat her.


Rod Blagojevich IS NOT a Republican.

He's also very corrupt, having ties to everyone's favorite Illinois businessman, Tony Rezko:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-kelly_donate_08feb08,1,3994484.story

So really, Governor Blagojevich shouldn't touch anyone's campaign with a ten and a half foot pole...

[rdh007]

Why is it when a Republican talks faith they are pushing their values on America and nut jobs but when a Democrat does it, they are inspirational? Just asking...
Probably because they don't get what Jesus was saying and they twist it into their own version. That pic you posted about what Bush would've said about Jesus put that into perspective. I think they use Christianity to support their policies that are "Father Knows Best" types. Though having said that, I'd vote for a pro-life Democrat in a heartbeat.

I never said that Obama was inspirational when he talks about faith, just that he talks about it better than Hilary. No one thinks of her as remotely religious. Against McCain, I believe that he can pick up some religious types that would vote for McCain over Hilary. Even if McCain picks Pastor Chuckleberry as his VP. I don't think he'll ever get hardcore evangelicals, just softcore ones.

[The Senator]

Probably because they don't get what Jesus was saying and they twist it into their own version. That pic you posted about what Bush would've said about Jesus put that into perspective. I think they use Christianity to support their policies that are "Father Knows Best" types. Though having said that, I'd vote for a pro-life Democrat in a heartbeat.

I never said that Obama was inspirational when he talks about faith, just that he talks about it better than Hilary. No one thinks of her as remotely religious. Against McCain, I believe that he can pick up some religious types that would vote for McCain over Hilary. Even if McCain picks Pastor Chuckleberry as his VP. I don't think he'll ever get hardcore evangelicals, just softcore ones.

John McCain has a plethora of problems with religion, starting with his politically-motivated move to convert from being an Episcopalian to a Baptist, to his mother's snide remarks on Mormonism. So religion may not be a huge factor in this race if it's between McCain and Hillary-- which is a good thing.

[tzarinna]

Abroad in either Cairo, Berlin or Melbourne.

If you go to Cairo let me know how it is, I plan on going to Egypt in a couple of years. Berlin is great, loved the beer. I have no desire to go to Australia.



Back to topic. :p
So Obama, huh, how 'bout that?

[CaptainStacy]

Probably because they don't get what Jesus was saying and they twist it into their own version. That pic you posted about what Bush would've said about Jesus put that into perspective. I think they use Christianity to support their policies that are "Father Knows Best" types. Though having said that, I'd vote for a pro-life Democrat in a heartbeat.

I never said that Obama was inspirational when he talks about faith, just that he talks about it better than Hilary. No one thinks of her as remotely religious. Against McCain, I believe that he can pick up some religious types that would vote for McCain over Hilary. Even if McCain picks Pastor Chuckleberry as his VP. I don't think he'll ever get hardcore evangelicals, just softcore ones.

Agreed.

[Spider-Bite]

Will he pull our troops out of Iraq??

I submit to you............NO! It's easy to sit on the outside and criticize any sitting President. But on the first day he gets those intelligence briefs, it's all gonna hit him like a ton of bricks. This thing is not as easy as you thought. We all think we know everything, but we don't.

And when he doesn't do it, the far left loons are gonna go crazy!

Remember ...you heard it here first.


Imagine this. Tomorrow bush sits down and for once actually reads the intelligence briefs and it hits him like a ton of bricks.

[Cory]

obama wins caucuses in washington and nebraska....

delegates ...clinton 1055, obama 998

[The Professor]

obama wins caucuses in washington and nebraska....

delegates ...clinton 1055, obama 998


Thanks for the count :up: Been looking for one.

[Cory]

just go to yahoo, and click one of the headlines, youll see it. it has alot of info

[rdh007]

John McCain has a plethora of problems with religion, starting with his politically-motivated move to convert from being an Episcopalian to a Baptist, to his mother's snide remarks on Mormonism. So religion may not be a huge factor in this race if it's between McCain and Hillary-- which is a good thing.
Agreed. I've had enough of that crap in a political race. If I want theological debates, I'll well...nevermind. I don't want theological debates.

[terry78]

President Obama, niiiiiiiigaaaaa!!!!

[Cory]

obama wins louisiana primary...

delegates.. clinton 1064....obama 1029

[The Senator]

President Obama, niiiiiiiigaaaaa!!!!

Please probate?

[terry78]

Wouldn't be the first time.

[Excel]

Whoa, he absolutly killed her.

[BlackLantern]

I feel Obama has a lot of support simply because he is a man of color not of his stances on anything

[Cory]

clinton 1084, obama 1057

[Matt]

I feel Obama has a lot of support simply because he is a man of color not of his stances on anything

That is true, look no further than our friend Excel. Not to say all of his supporters support him for that reason, but a good number do.

[bunk]

I feel Obama has a lot of support simply because he is a man of color not of his stances on anything

Probably not the people giving him money though, which is pretty important at this stage.

[BlackLantern]

and it depends on who Obama selects as a running mate....he picks the wrong person and he could end up dead in the water

[R0rschach]

Obama this, Obama that blah blah yadda yadda.
All I have to add is: SWEEP!!!!

[R0rschach]

and it depends on who Obama selects as a running mate....he picks the wrong person and he could end up dead in the water

Obama/Edwards

[Cory]

and it depends on who Obama selects as a running mate....he picks the wrong person and he could end up dead in the water

very true

[BlackLantern]

I think Edwards would be a good pick, but I dont think Edwards would accept. Im sure Obama has a short list already, dont know if Edwards is on that

[Cory]

Obama/Colbert 08....

FTW!

[BlackLantern]

Obama/Colbert 08....

FTW!

and that would kill Obama.....Middle America doesnt take kindly to the antics of John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.....I actually saw an interview with some s**tkicker from Oklahoma who felt that Colbert was a traitor to America.

[rdh007]

Obama this, Obama that blah blah yadda yadda.
All I have to add is: SWEEP!!!!
What a great sign, huh? That she doesn't win one on a multi-state day makes me warm in my soul.

[Excel]

Obama has my vote because he has one act that was more Presidential, stregnth defining and flat out smart than any other candidate.

He just didnt vote against the war, he openly spoke out about the consequences of it way back in 2002.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

That was when it was unpopular to oppose the war, and its left so many wondering how they couldnt forsee what was coming. He did. Thats a better judge of judgement than anything. It didnt take him any expirience to make the decision yet all of Clintons expirience didnt stop her. He seems like an overall good guy who puts others ahead of himself, heres an expample

Gov Bill Richardson: "I had just been asked a question -- I don't remember which one -- and Obama was sitting right next to me. Then the moderator went across the room, I think to Chris Dodd, so I thought I was home free for a while. I wasn't going to listen to the next question. I was about to say something to Obama when the moderator turned to me and said, 'So, Gov. Richardson, what do you think of that?' But I wasn't paying any attention! I was about to say, 'Could you repeat the question? I wasn't listening.' But I wasn't about to say I wasn't listening. I looked at Obama. I was just horrified. And Obama whispered, 'Katrina. Katrina.' The question was on Katrina! So I said, 'On Katrina, my policy . . .' Obama could have just thrown me under the bus. So I said, 'Obama, that was good of you to do that.'"

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/29/richardsons_choice.html

I have all the respect for John McCain as a person in the world, but hes just way too past his time. Being black did get me interested inObama back i n2004 when I saw him at election celebration live on tv with his family and 2 little girls on stage, but I have really come to like him as a person.

[rdh007]

and that would kill Obama.....Middle America doesnt take kindly to the antics of John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.....I actually saw an interview with some s**tkicker from Oklahoma who felt that Colbert was a traitor to America.
I don't disagree with you, but I'm from Middle America and I believe in Stephen Colbert like nobody but Stephen himself. He is the greatest of all Americans.

[R0rschach]

I think Edwards would be a good pick, but I dont think Edwards would accept. Im sure Obama has a short list already, dont know if Edwards is on that

Don't really know why Edwards would not since I don't see him ever running for pres again since he has now failed twice. Atleast if he gets on the ticket with Obama which would boost Obama FTW, Edwards would still be able to run again and maybe even make it next time.

[R0rschach]

What a great sign, huh? That she doesn't win one on a multi-state day makes me warm in my soul.

I don't hate Hillary, I do however dislike her phonyness.

[R0rschach]

and that would kill Obama.....Middle America doesnt take kindly to the antics of John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.....I actually saw an interview with some s**tkicker from Oklahoma who felt that Colbert was a traitor to America.

Do we even need to discuss this?
Colbert isn't even an option, who in the hell would even take the ticket seriously?

[Venom'sDad]

That is true, look no further than our friend Excel. Not to say all of his supporters support him for that reason, but a good number do.

I think people hate him and want him to lose, because of his color. :whatever:

[The Senator]

I think people hate him and want him to lose, because of his color. :whatever:

A select few probably do, but they wouldn't vote for him anyway.

[Cory]

and that would kill Obama.....Middle America doesnt take kindly to the antics of John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.....I actually saw an interview with some s**tkicker from Oklahoma who felt that Colbert was a traitor to America.

it was a joke dude.

[Excel]

Maryland Polls:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-te.md.primary14jan14,0,6218182.story

Clinton 26%
Edwards 12%
Obama 39%

Virginia Polls

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_28_206.aspx

Clinton 37%
Obama 52%

[comicgirl]

Maryland Polls:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-te.md.primary14jan14,0,6218182.story

Clinton 26%
Edwards 12%
Obama 39%

Virginia Polls

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_28_206.aspx

Clinton 37%
Obama 52%Yeah!!!!! And PA's right behind. Finally we may have a wellspoken young president..........................dare I hope?

[The Senator]

Yeah!!!!! And PA's right behind. Finally we may have a wellspoken young president..........................dare I hope?

Hope in one hand and crap in the other... see which one gets filled first.

[R0rschach]

If anything this election has taught you by now is: STOP believing the polls.
Just wait for the outcome and keep your fingers crossed.

[terry78]

Honestly, the woman and young people vote will be what pushes Obama over. Women aren't flocking to Billary shockingly, and Obama is talking about getting rid of the whole war thang, which most young brats are all about.

[The Senator]

If anything this election has taught you by now is: STOP believing the polls.
Just wait for the outcome and keep your fingers crossed.

Polls are usually a good indication of what's going to happen. In about 80-90% of all situations, they're reliable. The problem with whether they come into fruition deals with external forces beyond one's control, whether a candidate says something stupid, a snowstorm prevents people from voting, or certain states didn't issue recent polls.

[comicgirl]

Honestly, the woman and young people vote will be what pushes Obama over. Women aren't flocking to Billary shockingly, and Obama is talking about getting rid of the whole war thang, which most young brats are all about.:cwink:

[souvlaki]

I feel Obama has a lot of support simply because he is a man of color not of his stances on anything

Well, I feel Hillary Clinton has a lot of support simply because she is a woman, and the wife of Bill Clinton.

[Lightning Strykez!]

That is true, look no further than our friend Excel. Not to say all of his supporters support him for that reason, but a good number do.

:dry:

Oh please. Just like a "good number" only support Hillary because she's white? Are you serious?

I really don't think it's fair to generalize and marginalize the man's wins. Clearly, his triumphs in some of the whitest places on earth (Idado, North Dakota, Utah, Maine, etc.) show that the black vote is not the only thing carrying him any more. He is appealing to huge numbers of whites (especially white men), independents and young people. He promised a racially diverse "coalition" and he's created it.

I get annoyed when people talk as if a black polititian carrying the black vote is somehow bad, trivial or "typical". Because you can bet your butt that the GOP and Clintons are fighting for it too.

[ScottyBBadd]

Will he pull our troops out of Iraq??

I submit to you............NO! It's easy to sit on the outside and criticize any sitting President. But on the first day he gets those intelligence briefs, it's all gonna hit him like a ton of bricks. This thing is not as easy as you thought. We all think we know everything, but we don't.

And when he doesn't do it, the far left loons are gonna go crazy!

Remember ...you heard it here first.

Memphis, I believe you are dead on. Obama is more Moderate than he leats on.

[BlackLantern]

Will he pull our troops out of Iraq??

I submit to you............NO! It's easy to sit on the outside and criticize any sitting President. But on the first day he gets those intelligence briefs, it's all gonna hit him like a ton of bricks. This thing is not as easy as you thought. We all think we know everything, but we don't.

And when he doesn't do it, the far left loons are gonna go crazy!

Remember ...you heard it here first.

I usually dont agree with Memphis, but I have to on this one.....lots of people seem to think that if a Democrat gets in the white house it will be all sunshine and rainbows, when in fact the next president will probably be judged more harshly because they are expected to fix everything

[rdh007]

No, it can't be sunshine and rainbows. We've had stupidity and incompetence for eight years and it may take 40 years to fix the mess we've gotten ourselves in. But Obama seems like as good a start as any.

No one can do it overnight.

[BlackLantern]

No, it can't be sunshine and rainbows. We've had stupidity and incompetence for eight years and it may take 40 years to fix the mess we've gotten ourselves in. But Obama seems like as good a start as any.

No one can do it overnight.

But thats what most of America will expect....we want everything NOW NOW NOW....I dont even think we will see another 2 term president for a while

[CrypticOne]

I think if Obama wins, it'll be a step in the right direction. I know it'll take time to get things cleared up, and I know it probably won't be done by the time Obama is done serving, if he wins. I just want things to get better for America.

[Darkly Dexter]

If Obama wins, he will probably get shot.

[Excel]

If Obama wins, he will probably get shot.

Cool comment :up: :rolleyes:

[terry78]

Cool comment :up: :rolleyes:

But not totally inaccurate. Though I'd say the same about Hillary. They're a little too far off the beaten path for some of the more extremists out there.

[Matt]

There will be attempts. Still, whether or not they come to fruition or even reach the light of day is another story.

[Zen]

There will be attempts. Still, whether or not they come to fruition or even reach the light of day is another story.

the times of most concern to me are post primary/pre-election when the candidates can see the finish line but do not have the secret service to offer protection...

[The Senator]

the times of most concern to me are post primary/pre-election when the candidates can see the finish line but do not have the secret service to offer protection...

Except both Hillary and Barack Obama have secret service protection (Hillary gets it because she's the former first lady, Barack gets it because he requested it), so there's really nothing to worry about.

[BlackLantern]

I worry about Obama a bit....whos to say some sister humping Montana militiaman wont try to blow Obamas face off....."I wont have no n***er runnin my country..." and all that

[Darkly Dexter]

Except both Hillary and Barack Obama have secret service protection (Hillary gets it because she's the former first lady, Barack gets it because he requested it), so there's really nothing to worry about.

Kennedy.

[rdh007]

Why Montana? Why not a strong slavery state like Alabama or Georgia? Or South Carolina, I think they were first out in 1861.

[BlackLantern]

Why Montana? Why not a strong slavery state like Alabama or Georgia? Or South Carolina, I think they were first out in 1861.

or that too.....as this election year goes on and if it looks like Obama is moving forward the Secret Service needs to be on their toes...

[rdh007]

Those rednecks need to think of Obi-Wan's final words before they act...a martyr is not what they want.

[Excel]

Kennedy.

If you mean RKF, he had no SS.

Now its about impossible to get into one of those rallys without being searched.

[The Senator]

I worry about Obama a bit....whos to say some sister humping Montana militiaman wont try to blow Obamas face off....."I wont have no n***er runnin my country..." and all that

Um... Montana is one of the more progressive states in the country, and may very well turn blue during this Presidential election.

Both state houses, most (if not all) statewide offices, and both Senate seats are controlled by Democrats, and the Democratic governor is one of the most popular governors in the country.

[LuiECuomo]

Montana may very well turn blue during this Presidential election.

Great.

[Super_Ludacris]

:dry:

Oh please. Just like a "good number" only support Hillary because she's white? Are you serious?

I really don't think it's fair to generalize and marginalize the man's wins. Clearly, his triumphs in some of the whitest places on earth (Idado, North Dakota, Utah, Maine, etc.) show that the black vote is not the only thing carrying him any more. He is appealing to huge numbers of whites (especially white men), independents and young people. He promised a racially diverse "coalition" and he's created it.

I get annoyed when people talk as if a black polititian carrying the black vote is somehow bad, trivial or "typical". Because you can bet your butt that the GOP and Clintons are fighting for it too.


Real Talk.

And its not like Obama has the unified black vote either. Many people I know are divided over him.

[Zen]

i wasn't aware either candidate had secret service protection thats good to hear.

Anyone else beginning to feel like Obama is so close to winning this thing?

i think if he gets either ohio or texas hillary will drop out. I keep hearing that in order to win she has to get ohio and texas by very comfortable margins... after all this momentum im not sure she can pull out 20% victories in these places, and Superdelegates are rumored (who the hell really knows...) to be jumping ship on clinton...

[Varient]

Hmmmn,.... Super Tuesday was inconclusive,... and today may be the breakpoint for Ms Clinton.

I swear this is scary / depressing - I don't want ANY of the four still running.

McCain comes across too much as "The Man".
Huckabee(sp) comes across as too certain that his way is the correct way and is touting his shoestring campaign run as proof.
Clinton comes across as clueless in regards to reality involving Heath care and our Border issues WHILE preaching what people have heard in the past.
And Obama? Obama chills me in how he (Like Clinton) wants to set A DATE to have our troops pull out?

Why am I the only one who see's that the smarter terrorist on being given a date for troop withdrawal will WAIT until we have completly withdrawn before setting out to massacre hundreds of innocents who dared to want better than be ruled under a regieme that reduces women to meat?

It's like Some folk try to put their morals on people they didn't try to understand in the first place.

((((Shiver))))

[Kelly]

i wasn't aware either candidate had secret service protection thats good to hear.

Anyone else beginning to feel like Obama is so close to winning this thing?

i think if he gets either ohio or texas hillary will drop out. I keep hearing that in order to win she has to get ohio and texas by very comfortable margins... after all this momentum im not sure she can pull out 20% victories in these places, and Superdelegates are rumored (who the hell really knows...) to be jumping ship on clinton...

There are close to 800 Super Delegates, less than half have said how they are voting.......those that have, favor her 2 to 1 over Obama, AT THIS MOMENT.....so this will go to the convention, IMO.

[BlackLantern]

There are close to 800 Super Delegates, less than half have said how they are voting.......those that have, favor her 2 to 1 over Obama, AT THIS MOMENT.....so this will go to the convention, IMO.

I think so too,....where is the DNC at this year??