The Obama Thread (Merged x6)

[The Senator]

Ehhhh....Midtown has a pretty big gay scene, but it's no San Francisco (or even a New York).

jag

Never been to San Fran myself, BUT I've been to New York and Atlanta. New York easily trumps Atlanta, in terms of its gay scene...

[The Senator]

What about Judy Garland? :exploringstereotypes:

jag

No, not really.

[jaguarr]

Never been to San Fran myself, BUT I've been to New York and Atlanta. New York easily trumps Atlanta, in terms of its gay scene...

My wife and I have friends in the scene in both San Francisco and New York, and my wife has a few in the Midtown scene as well. SF is by far the King...or is it Queen?...of the American gay scene. I'd put NYC second but not by a whole lot.

jag

[jaguarr]

No, not really.

How do you feel about the color pink?

jag

[The Senator]

How do you feel about the color pink?

jag

I wear pink ties occasionally, and I have one pink t-shirt. It's not my favorite color, but I hold nothing against it.

[jaguarr]

I wear pink ties occasionally, and I have one pink t-shirt. It's not my favorite color, but I hold nothing against it.

Hmmm....interesting. Maybe you're more of a bear type. Are you really hairy?

jag

[BlackLantern]

Hmmm....interesting. Maybe you're more of a bear type. Are you really hairy?

jag

my brain just vomited....thank you jag

[jaguarr]

my brain just vomited....thank you jag

I sooooooo want him to tell me he's really hairy, knowing this. :hehe:

jag

[Tron5000]

I wear pink ties occasionally, and I have one pink t-shirt. It's not my favorite color, but I hold nothing against it.

I saw the biggest, blackest dude at the bank today wearing a pink shirt and pink tie. Dude was rock solid, so I think pink is officially not a gay color any longer.

[jaguarr]

I saw the biggest, blackest dude at the bank today wearing a pink shirt and pink tie. Dude was rock solid, so I think pink is officially not a gay color any longer.

I believe pimps are partial to pink, too, Tron. :stereotype:

jag

[The Senator]

Hmmm....interesting. Maybe you're more of a bear type. Are you really hairy?

jag

Jag, your attempts to seduce me are disturbing.


But no, I'm not all that hairy.

[Tron5000]

I believe pimps are partial to pink, too, Tron. :stereotype:

jag

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f206/harrelson2131/pink-pimp.jpg

[The Senator]

I saw the biggest, blackest dude at the bank today wearing a pink shirt and pink tie. Dude was rock solid, so I think pink is officially not a gay color any longer.

Well, he could be gay.

[Tron5000]

Well, he could be gay.

Or just on the DL.

[Matt]

I like peanuts and Peyton Manning

Peyton Manning is incredibly uppity. He once overrode his coach and sent the punt squad off the field. If thats not uppity I don't know what is :cwink:

[SuBe]

I wear pink sometimes, I'm not gay. It looks good in a suit.

[jaguarr]

Jag, your attempts to seduce me are disturbing.


But no, I'm not all that hairy.

Oh, why is it every time a straight guy tries to learn more about a gay guy, the gay guy has to take that as the straight guy hitting on him!? :cmad:


Not all that hairy? Maybe you're more of a "cub", then. I dunno.

jag

[Tron5000]

This train has gone off the tracks.

[Assassin]

I'm not a republican by any means, but OBAMA is not the way to go in my opinion, from his mentor being a memeber of the communist party, to his church B.S. and his wife being an anti whitey in college, plus all the cover ups that the press is doing, No way am I voting for him.

[BlackLantern]

I think we are once again caught in a lesser of 2 evils situation

[Assassin]

which is in my opinion Old Man Mccain

[Tron5000]

I think we are once again caught in a lesser of 2 evils situation

Didn't vote for McCain in the primaries, but I sure as heck won't vote for Obama in the election. And I'm not going to throw my vote away to a third party, so McCain is the choice. I'm voting more against Obama than I am for McCain.

[moraldeficiency]

So looking over what have we learned:

Words may or may not have racial overtones.

Jag has a semi-disturbing fascination with gayness.
Jman is a horrible homosexual.
Matt hates black people.
Tron's an uppity snarf.
Supe wears all pink suits to his pimping gigs.
BL has an aversion to hair probably stemming from a disturbing childhood trauma.
And I need another drink.

[StorminNorman]

I think Obama's idea to tax windfall profits of a single industry is my favorite joke of the campaign.

Surely Obama knows that this idea is unconstitutional and would never survive in the Supreme Court. Those 1,000 dollar rebates would either never come and if they did, it would come at the expense of the federal government.

[kainedamo]

I'm not a republican by any means, but OBAMA is not the way to go in my opinion, from his mentor being a memeber of the communist party, to his church B.S. and his wife being an anti whitey in college, plus all the cover ups that the press is doing, No way am I voting for him.

Why, why, why does this stuff keep cropping up. If you're gonna not vote Obama, do it for legitamite reasons.

Like what is this nonsense about his wife being "anti-whitey"?

[moraldeficiency]

Why, why, why does this stuff keep cropping up. If you're gonna not vote Obama, do it for legitamite reasons.

Like what is this nonsense about his wife being "anti-whitey"?

To be fair, white people do suck.

[Tron5000]

So looking over what have we learned:

Words may or may not have racial overtones.

Jag has a semi-disturbing fascination with gayness.
Jman is a horrible homosexual.
Matt hates black people.
Tron's an uppity snarf.
Supe wears all pink suits to his pimping gigs.
BL has an aversion to hair probably stemming from a disturbing childhood trauma.
And I need another drink.

This early? I'll join you. Make it dirty, and shaken. You damn well better not stir my ish.

[moraldeficiency]

This early? I'll join you. Make it dirty, and shaken. You damn well better not stir my ish.

I always shake, but no ice, that's for communists.

[Varient]

To be fair, white people do suck.

SMH @ U.

[BlackLantern]

To be fair, white people do suck.

especially white women...and God Bless them for that:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

that went over my head, V, you have to dumb down the double type for those of us less text messaging friendly.

[moraldeficiency]

especially white women...and God Bless them for that:yay:

except the uppity ones.

[Tron5000]

that went over my head, V, you have to dumb down the double type for those of us less text messaging friendly.

Don't feel bad. I had to look it up.

[Tron5000]

except the uppity ones.

What? There are black white women?

If that offends, please read the last few pages. All in jest.

[The Senator]

Oh, why is it every time a straight guy tries to learn more about a gay guy, the gay guy has to take that as the straight guy hitting on him!? :cmad:


Not all that hairy? Maybe you're more of a "cub", then. I dunno.

jag

No, I'm more of an average gay guy, not into hammy things but not incredibly straight-acting, either. I think the proper term among gay circles is "discreet."

[Assassin]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859

[Assassin]

dbl post

[jaguarr]

So looking over what have we learned:

Words may or may not have racial overtones.

Jag has a semi-disturbing fascination with gayness.
Jman is a horrible homosexual.
Matt hates black people.
Tron's an uppity snarf.
Supe wears all pink suits to his pimping gigs.
BL has an aversion to hair probably stemming from a disturbing childhood trauma.
And I need another drink.

And I just learned that you're a raging alcoholic. :o

jag

[moraldeficiency]

And I just learned that you're a raging alcoholic. :o

jag

You just learned that now?

[jaguarr]

No, I'm more of an average gay guy, not into hammy things but not incredibly straight-acting, either. I think the proper term among gay circles is "discreet."

Look, don't make this any more difficult to stereotype you than it already is, okay? :hehe:

jag

[The Senator]

And I just learned that you're a raging alcoholic. :o

jag

And a reverse racist :cmad:


To be fair, white people do suck.

[Tron5000]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859

Great article, but you need to entice people to read it with a good lead. Like, "Obama's teenage mentor a known Communist." That'll get people to click on the link.

[jaguarr]

You just learned that now?

Well, more like had my suspicions concerned.

jag

[The Senator]

Look, don't make this any more difficult to stereotype you than it already is, okay? :hehe:

jag

Alas, I cannot be stereotyped. I've cheated the system.

[Tron5000]

And a reverse racist :cmad:

What the heck is a "reverse racist"? Either you're a racist or you're not.

[Addendum]

Being a communist isn't illegal

[The Senator]

What the heck is a "reverse racist"? Either you're a racist or you're not.

I've heard the term used to describe people who are racist against white people, because white people are the only racists in this world... not sure where I first heard it used, I think it was by an African American film scholar discussing Spike Lee's "reverse racism" in his films...

[moraldeficiency]

And a reverse racist :cmad:

I never understood the term reverse racist. And it's not racist to hate white people for being devils, that's just common sense. (explaination for the humor impared, I'm white, I've got white and black people in my family, piss off)

But I can't believe the drink thing was a little known fact. I'm a drunken Irish stoner, I really did think I've made that abundantly clear. Read any of my posts and tell me anyone could write that if they weren't baked and drunk.

PS, you're just getting us off the topic of what a horrible gay guy you are.

[moraldeficiency]

Well, more like had my suspicions concerned.

jag

I'm concerned about my suspicions too, drunky.

[Tron5000]

I never understood the term reverse racist. And it's not racist to hate white people for being devils, that's just common sense. (explaination for the humor impared, I'm white, I've got white and black people in my family, piss off)

But I can't believe the drink thing was a little known fact. I'm a drunken Irish stoner, I really did think I've made that abundantly clear. Read any of my posts and tell me anyone could write that if they weren't baked and drunk.

PS, you're just getting us off the topic of what a horrible gay guy you are.

Welcome to the family, brother. You are now allowed to date my sister.

[kainedamo]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56859

Obama's campaign also, for the third straight day, declined to respond to WND requests for comment on the report of a Minnesota man who alleges he shared cocaine with Obama when Obama was a state lawmaker in Illinois.

WND has reported on claims made by Larry Sinclair, who claims he took cocaine in 1999 with Obama, and participated in homosexual acts with him.

Sinclair said his story was ignored by the news media, so he made his case last month in a YouTube video, which has now been viewed about 350,000 times.

When it still was ignored, Sinclair said, he filled a lawsuit in Minnesota District Court, alleging threats and intimidation by Obama's staff.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA!!!!

Is this where you get your news, Assassin?

[BlackLantern]

wow only 350,000 views....there is a video of a dog humping a cat that has about 2 million views...

[Tron5000]

Thank God Kaine doesn't have a vote.

[The Senator]

That Larry Sinclair fellow is mentally ill, isn't he? So I don't really believe what some moron on YouTube has to say about a gay affair. Hell, if I wanted to get a few politicians in trouble, I'd be able to go on YouTube and say basically the same thing. And I interned for a couple politicians (Democrats, no less), and have a connection with the only gay Congressman in the House, so I would automatically be considered more believable than that guy.

Maybe I need to get into the bribery business...

[Tron5000]

That Larry Sinclair fellow is mentally ill, isn't he? So I don't really believe what some moron on YouTube has to say about a gay affair. Hell, if I wanted to get a few politicians in trouble, I'd be able to go on YouTube and say basically the same thing. And I interned for a couple politicians (Democrats, no less), and have a connection with the only gay Congressman in the House, so I would automatically be considered more believable than that guy.

Maybe I need to get into the bribery business...

Only KNOWN gay Congressman.

[The Senator]

Only KNOWN gay Congressman.

Yes.

[Assassin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA!!!!

Is this where you get your news, Assassin?

He never denied it. :o

[moraldeficiency]

He never denied it. :o

He also hasn't denied being hitler and stalin's illegitimate love child, so you've got that too. Politican's don't respond to Youtube allegations.

BTW, I demand this tread be locked because like the Edwards thread, we're actually discussing speculation (and without the vaulted agency of National Eq.) and that's not allowed.

[kainedamo]

Assassin, you never answered me when I asked, where did you get the idea that Obama's wife is "anti-whitey"?

[Tron5000]

Assassin, you never answered me when I asked, where did you get the idea that Obama's wife is "anti-whitey"?

Read her college thesis.

[Tron5000]

http://townhall.com/Columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/08/06/obama_calls_gop_ignorant_on_oil



Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Calls GOP Ignorant on Oil
by Amanda Carpenter



Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama slammed Republicans for making fun of him because he encouraged Americans to properly inflate their tires to conserve gasoline.

“It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant!” Obama told an audience in Berea, Ohio on Tuesday.

“They’re sending like little tire gauges making fun of this idea as if this was Barack Obama’s energy plan,” Obama said. “Now, two points. One, they know they are lying about what my energy plan is, but they are making fun of a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by three or four percent.”

The tire gauges Obama mentioned were created by the Republican National Committee. They are inscribed with the words “Barack Obama’s Energy Plan.” The RNC sent them to reporters and contributors after Obama told supporters at a town hall meeting that they should inflate cut down on rising energy costs. This was done to contrast GOP presidential candidate John McCain’s position on energy to Obama’s.

In Berea, Obama reiterated the importance of proper tire inflation. Inflated tires would “probably save more oil than all the oil we’d probably get from John McCain drilling right below his feet there,” he said gesturing to the ground. “Wherever he was going to drill.”

RNC’s Alex Conat reacted to Obama’s “ignorant” remarks said in a statement. "Rather than demanding Americans inflate their tires, Obama should be demanding Congress return to DC to vote on a real energy plan," Conant said. "Obama is wrong: Inflated tires are no substitute for oil drilling and a comprehensive energy plan."

[Addendum]

The experts say that it's a 3% saving with properly inflated tires. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/08/04/politics/p150649D55.DTL) However, there are other ways to save money on gas

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/fueleconomy/articles/106842/article.html

The article is from 3 years ago, but the points are still relevant

[Tron5000]

The experts say that it's a 3% saving with properly inflated tires. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/08/04/politics/p150649D55.DTL) However, there are other ways to save money on gas

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/fueleconomy/articles/106842/article.html

The article is from 3 years ago, but the points are still relevant

3% compared to the 100% increase in the price of oil. I'm still 97% short.

[jaguarr]

Obama has indicated that proper tire inflation and tune-ups are a PART of a comprehensive energy plan; something Americans can do right now to help themselves. They are not measures meant to take the place of a comprehensive energy plan. The RNC spin on that issue and those remarks is borderline brain-damaged.

jag

[Addendum]

3% compared to the 100% increase in the price of oil. I'm still 97% short.

So did you read the article I posted, or did you read my post as "experts say 3% with properly inflated tires FULL STOP blah blah blah

[BlackLantern]

How about telling Americans to quit buying gas guzzlers like SUV's.....

[moraldeficiency]

I've got to agree, there's nothing wrong with making people aware that things like tire pressure and a clean air filter save on gas, as long as that's not your policy plan. Besides are the RNC against properly inflated tires? It's a pet peeve of mine when I see people running with about 10psi just waiting for their tire to explode. You tell them and they look at you like you've insulted their mother, so then you pull out your 9 and fire a few shots over their heads, then they call the police and I end up back in jail all for trying to be a nice guy, where's the love?

[BlackLantern]

I've got to agree, there's nothing wrong with making people aware that things like tire pressure and a clean air filter save on gas, as long as that's not your policy plan. Besides are the RNC against properly inflated tires? It's a pet peeve of mine when I see people running with about 10psi just waiting for their tire to explode. You tell them and they look at you like you've insulted their mother, so then you pull out your 9 and fire a few shots over their heads, then they call the police and I end up back in jail all for trying to be a nice guy, where's the love?

Moral...some people just can't be reached, but you keep trying

[jaguarr]

How about telling Americans to quit buying gas guzzlers like SUV's.....

I would agree with that. A guy at work had the balls to complain to me about how much it costs to fill up his f**king Humvee every week. I laughed at him and told him he was a dumbass for ever buying the thing to begin with. He never takes it off pavement for any reason, ever. He doesn't own boats or jetskis or motorcycles to tow. He uses it to drive around town. There's absolutely no reason to have a rig like that other than to be trendy.

jag

[Tron5000]

Obama has indicated that proper tire inflation and tune-ups are a PART of a comprehensive energy plan; something Americans can do right now to help themselves. They are not measures meant to take the place of a comprehensive energy plan. The RNC spin on that issue and those remarks is borderline brain-damaged.

jag

Not true.

He said, "We could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups, you could actually save just as much,” which is, of course, false.

It's words like "all" and "actually save just as much" that make his statement definitive.

[Tron5000]

So did you read the article I posted, or did you read my post as "experts say 3% with properly inflated tires FULL STOP blah blah blah

Yes, I did. But after the part referring to the RNC as "John McCain and his Republican Party" (didn't realize he was in charge of the show), it lost some appeal. But it still doesn't add up to the price of gas.

[Tron5000]

I've got to agree, there's nothing wrong with making people aware that things like tire pressure and a clean air filter save on gas, as long as that's not your policy plan. Besides are the RNC against properly inflated tires? It's a pet peeve of mine when I see people running with about 10psi just waiting for their tire to explode. You tell them and they look at you like you've insulted their mother, so then you pull out your 9 and fire a few shots over their heads, then they call the police and I end up back in jail all for trying to be a nice guy, where's the love?

Why are you firing a 9? Pick up a SigArms 40. You need stopping power, plus it will never jam, in water, sand or heat.

[BlackLantern]

We are quite spoiled and get offended if someone tells us to "sacrifice" or "cut back" on anything because we feel it infringes on our rights or freedoms.

[Addendum]

Yes, I did. But after the part referring to the RNC as "John McCain and his Republican Party" (didn't realize he was in charge of the show), it lost some appeal. But it still doesn't add up to the price of gas.

And you were too damn lazy to read the second article.

[jaguarr]

Not true.

He said, "We could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups, you could actually save just as much,” which is, of course, false.

It's words like "all" and "actually save just as much" that make his statement definitive.

:whatever:

jag

[moraldeficiency]

Why are you firing a 9? Pick up a SigArms 40. You need stopping power, plus it will never jam, in water, sand or heat.

Actually I just got a glock 40 and couldn't be happier with it, that damn thing could get buried underwater at the beach and still fire perfectly. I'm thinking of the conversion kit that let's you go from the 40 to a .357 mainly cause it just looks badass, but I try to taper my love of firearms to the noncreepy variety so I need to hold back a bit.

The 40 does have beautiful stopping power.

[Addendum]

We are quite spoiled and get offended if someone tells us to "sacrifice" or "cut back" on anything because we feel it infringes on our rights or freedoms.

And they're the ones with the massive SUV's and complain about how much they spend to fill up.

They make me laugh

[Tron5000]

We are quite spoiled and get offended if someone tells us to "sacrifice" or "cut back" on anything because we feel it infringes on our rights or freedoms.

I sacrifice and cut back every day. I'd love a glass of Crown Royal XR (Extra Rare) after work every day, but I don't get it, 'cause it's $35 a pop.

I wish I could've bought my fiancee a $10,000 engagement ring, but that money could be used in other ways.

And I haven't bought a new video game or Blu-Ray in 3 months.

Plus I eat a lot of soup and pasta. People who spend their time doing stupid things with their money have no right complaining about how they have too little of it.

[kainedamo]

Basically Tron5000's position relies on ignoring Obama's 30 minute speech about energy.

[Tron5000]

And you were too damn lazy to read the second article.

Busy, not lazy. I'll get there.

[jaguarr]

We are quite spoiled and get offended if someone tells us to "sacrifice" or "cut back" on anything because we feel it infringes on our rights or freedoms.

Yes, we are spoiled. Frankly, I don't have a problem with people owning big, gas-guzzling vehicles or ginormous houses that have ginormous payments and such. That's their right, in the end. What I don't want to hear is a bunch of complaining out of them that those things are so expensive or cost too much to use, maintain or even keep. Live with your bad choices or do something to change your circumstances, but don't complain to me about them.

jag

[moraldeficiency]

Yes, we are spoiled. Frankly, I don't have a problem with people owning big, gas-guzzling vehicles or ginormous houses that have ginormous payments and such. That's their right, in the end. What I don't want to hear is a bunch of complaining out of them that those things are so expensive or cost too much to use, maintain or even keep. Live with your bad choices or do something to change your circumstances, but don't complain to me about them.

jag

Can we complain to you about other things?

[Tron5000]

Basically Tron5000's position relies on ignoring Obama's 30 minute speech about energy.

Basically Kaine's position is "On knees. Swallow."

[kainedamo]

Basically Tron5000's position relies on ignoring Obama's 30 minute speech about energy.t

[jaguarr]

Can we complain to you about other things?

The question is more along the lines of "Will I pay attention to you if you do?" :hehe:

jag

[The Senator]

We are quite spoiled and get offended if someone tells us to "sacrifice" or "cut back" on anything because we feel it infringes on our rights or freedoms.

Well, we have the right to be the most wasteful, shallow society in the world.

I've always wanted an SUV, and now that Jeep has come out with a few fuel efficient SUVs, I might consider getting one in a year or two. BUT, if gas prices keep going up, I can settle for a compact car. Not only as a way to lessen the environmental impact, but to keep me from being like every other idiot who complains about how much it costs to fill up their H3 or Tahoe.

[The Senator]

Basically Kaine's position is "On knees. Swallow."

:dry:

[moraldeficiency]

The question is more along the lines of "Will I pay attention to you if you do?" :hehe:

jag

you will if you ever want to see your weight belt again. *evil laugh* ransom demands forthcoming.

[Tron5000]

Well, we have the right to be the most wasteful, shallow society in the world.

I've always wanted an SUV, and now that Jeep has come out with a few fuel efficient SUVs, I might consider getting one in a year or two. BUT, if gas prices keep going up, I can settle for a compact car. Not only as a way to lessen the environmental impact, but to keep me from being like every other idiot who complains about how much it costs to fill up their H3 or Tahoe.

Sean Hannity drives a hybrid Tahoe. 21 mpg in the city. Word.

[BlackLantern]

Sean Hannity can die screaming with hot pokers shoved up his arse for all I care

[Tron5000]

:dry:

Read his posts. The number of times he refers to Obama or his policies as "awesome" is nauseating.

[The Senator]

Sean Hannity drives a hybrid Tahoe. 21 mpg in the city. Word.

I'm not sure if that's good enough, since the Escape/ Mariner/ Tribute hybrids get 30 mpg city, and the Jeep Compass/ Patriot get 25 mpg city without being hybrids.

But I have no desire to drive something that big anyway. No need to compensate.

[jaguarr]

you will if you ever want to see your weight belt again. *evil laugh* ransom demands forthcoming.


I don't lift with a belt. Hahahahaaaaaaaaa! :hehe:

jag

[Tron5000]

Sean Hannity can die screaming with hot pokers shoved up his arse for all I care

Just speakng the truth. If that's the genesis of the hybrid SUV, I can't wait to see what's next.

[Addendum]

It's the same reason some people go for big guns

[The Senator]

Read his posts. The number of times he refers to Obama or his policies as "awesome" is nauseating.

Oh, I usually ignore whatever he writes, unless it's in response to something I give a damn about arguing with a foreigner who knows very little about how this country works.

[Tron5000]

I'm not sure if that's good enough, since the Escape/ Mariner/ Tribute hybrids get 30 mpg city, and the Jeep Compass/ Patriot get 25 mpg highway without being hybrids.

But I have no desire to drive something that big anyway. No need to compensate.

Perhaps Hannity needs to inflate his tires and get a tune up.

[jaguarr]

Sean Hannity can die screaming with hot pokers shoved up his arse for all I care

That sounds like a PPV event if I ever heard of one.

jag

[The Senator]

Perhaps Hannity needs to inflate his tires and get a tune up.

He can do so by taking the air out of his head and putting it into his tires.

[Tron5000]

Oh, I usually ignore whatever he writes, unless it's in response to something I give a damn about arguing with a foreigner who knows very little about how this country works.

That's, like, my favorite post ever. Nice work, Jag. :up:

[Tron5000]

He can do so by taking the air out of his head and putting it into his tires.

ZING!

[SuBe]

That's, like, my favorite post ever. Nice work, Jag. :up:
That quote was from Jman, not Jag.

[moraldeficiency]

I don't lift with a belt. Hahahahaaaaaaaaa! :hehe:

jag

but think of your back?

[Tron5000]

That quote was from Jman, not Jag.

I stand corrected. Screw you, Jag! :hehe:

[jaguarr]

That quote was from Jman, not Jag.

It was still nice work on my part. :grin:

but think of your back?

I am. There's a lot of reasons not to lift with a belt, primarily related to strengthening the back and core. :up: I'll occasionally put one on when I'm doing heavy, heavy deadlifts but very rarely.

jag

[kainedamo]

And Tron5000 wonders why people put him on ignore.

[jaguarr]

I stand corrected. Screw you, Jag! :hehe:

You're welcome! :up:

jag

[moraldeficiency]

I am. There's a lot of reasons not to lift with a belt, primarily related to strengthening the back and core. :up: I'll occasionally put one on when I'm doing heavy, heavy deadlifts but very rarely.

jag

Fine I guess I'll just steal your newborn then, I had hoped to go with something you were more emotionally attached with though. *sigh* ransom demand following.

[BlackLantern]

And Tron5000 wonders why people put him on ignore.

Kaine, I appreciate your input but you don't live here so you don't understand the climate of what's going on...

I do like your YT videos though....very earnest

[SuBe]

Who has Tron on ignore? What a way to avoid debating your points of view.

[StorminNorman]

I believe it is Spider-Bite which makes it irrelevant.

[jaguarr]

Fine I guess I just steal your newborn then, I had hoped to go with something you were more emotionally attached with though. *sigh* ransom demand following.

With all the colicking, gas, pooping, and crying he's been doing on a 24/7 basis lately I suspect you'll be returning him within hours. :hehe:

jag

[Tron5000]

And Tron5000 wonders why people put him on ignore.
I'm still waiting for an official tally. But at least I''m still on your screen, Precious.

[moraldeficiency]

With all the colicking, gas, pooping, and crying he's been doing on a 24/7 basis lately I suspect you'll be returning him within hours. :hehe:

jag

Fool, I've already stolen your child and replaced him with a colicky, gassy, pooping cry machine actor (one of those with that webster disease) surgically altered to look like your child. Your true son is right here, by the way that kid loves the sauce, and if you don't comply with my random ransom demands I will raise him as my own until 14 when I'll return him to you foul mouthed, drunken, stoned and possibly shiv happy, enjoy those teen years.

[jaguarr]

Fool, I've already stolen your child and replaced him with a colicky, gassy, pooping cry machine actor (one of those with that webster disease) surgically altered to look like your child. Your true son is right here, by the way that kid loves the sauce, and if you don't comply with my random ransom demands I will raise him as my own until 14 when I'll return him to you foul mouthed, drunken, stoned and possibly shiv happy, enjoy those teen years.

:funny:

jag

[kainedamo]

Kaine, I appreciate your input but you don't live here so you don't understand the climate of what's going on...

I do like your YT videos though....very earnest

Thanks.

I'm not the most articulate guy, and I can get quite passionate, but I've been paying attention to the American political scene for awhile. I have a better idea of the climate than most here. Whoever becomes Prez, it affects the world.

[BlackLantern]

I wouldn't take the time to put someone on Ignore.....I just don't pay any mind to their posts

[moraldeficiency]

yeah I don't get that either, plus sometimes these guys are unintentionally hilarious. I do enjoy a good spider-bite post.

[The Senator]

I wouldn't take the time to put someone on Ignore.....I just don't pay any mind to their posts

Unless it was Memphis Slim.

He always made it so you couldn't avoid his posts. :yay:

Even if I wanted to ignore him, all the pretty colors and awesome smilee faces :woot::woot: made it damn near impossible to do so.

[Tron5000]

Unless it was Memphis Slim.

He always made it so you couldn't avoid his posts. :yay:

Even if I wanted to ignore him, all the pretty colors and awesome smilee faces :woot::woot: made it damn near impossible to do so.

Sparkle is the only one on my list.

[Marx]

How about telling Americans to quit buying gas guzzlers like SUV's.....

I would agree with that. A guy at work had the balls to complain to me about how much it costs to fill up his f**king Humvee every week. I laughed at him and told him he was a dumbass for ever buying the thing to begin with. He never takes it off pavement for any reason, ever. He doesn't own boats or jetskis or motorcycles to tow. He uses it to drive around town. There's absolutely no reason to have a rig like that other than to be trendy.

jag

I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives a Hummer. If they can afford to buy one, they can afford the gas!

[The Senator]

Ah, but you see, GM was rather crafty in convincing every man with a small penis that he needs to go out and buy a humvee or else he would never get laid, or be successful, or be considered teh awesomez by everyone on his block. Only problem was, GM made the H3 so affordable that everyone in that situation has one now, and society is finally taking notice.

[Tron5000]

I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives a Hummer. If they can afford to buy one, they can afford the gas!

I have little empathy for most people. I see people by video games and Blu-Rays at my CD-DVD store, and I also see people spend $50 on booze at my bar (God Bless them), yet they complain about gas prices. "Homey, you just put 12 gallons of gas in your belly!" Hilarious.

[Tron5000]

I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives a Hummer. If they can afford to buy one, they can afford the gas!

I have little empathy for most people. I see people buy video games and Blu-Rays at my CD-DVD store, and I also see people spend $50 on booze at my bar (God Bless them), yet they complain about gas prices. "Homey, you just put 12 gallons of gas in your belly!" Hilarious.

[BlackLantern]

Ah, but you see, GM was rather crafty in convincing every man with a small penis that he needs to go out and buy a humvee or else he would never get laid, or be successful, or be considered teh awesomez by everyone on his block. Only problem was, GM made the H3 so affordable that everyone in that situation has one now, and society is finally taking notice.

I'm hung like a horse and drive a '96 Ford Contour....I'm content

[Varient]

You know what the bottom line on the Uppity riff?

That we exist in a time where people like "Bill O'reilley" can talk about "Lynching Obamas wife" and then do the "Infamous hands in the air What - what" dance to all the outraged people because THE WORD USED IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RACIALLY CHARGED.

This is because the insensitive are ONE - WAY as far as what should be offensive to who.
There are "common words" in the English Language which are Racially charged when used if ref to blacks. Those of you who are defending someones right to be offensive w/o anyone saying something should get a grip and stop making excuses


Example:

"Boy".

Boy in most situations is harmless and is a word that describes a prepubicent male.

When used at a black person it is high insult on the scale of calling a dog. Punk-azz white BOYS would cheerfully call blackmen with grey in their hair "Boy" because they couldn't be bothered to use their name or call them sir or Mr.

I alway shake my head whenever one of the offensive words as far as the black community is concerned is "bandied about by whites who you know should know better but they can't resist the dig.

V.

[The Senator]

But McCain didn't say Obama is an uppity black man, nor did he say anything about his race when he made his comments. So I don't see how that is racially charged at all :huh:

[Marx]

Ah, but you see, GM was rather crafty in convincing every man with a small penis that he needs to go out and buy a humvee or else he would never get laid, or be successful, or be considered teh awesomez by everyone on his block. Only problem was, GM made the H3 so affordable that everyone in that situation has one now, and society is finally taking notice.

I just laugh anytime I see a Hummer. They think they're so cool and so much better than everyone else...

I'm hung like a horse and drive a '96 Ford Contour....I'm content

That's...great...man. :funny:

[Marx]

I have little empathy for most people. I see people by video games and Blu-Rays at my CD-DVD store, and I also see people spend $50 on booze at my bar (God Bless them), yet they complain about gas prices. "Homey, you just put 12 gallons of gas in your belly!" Hilarious.

People are starting to realize that they have to cut back on things. This gas situation is spilling over into everything.

[Tron5000]

People are starting to realize that they have to cut back on things. This gas situation is spilling over into everything.

I conserve because it is sound economic policy for me and my fiancee. Save more now, spend more later.

[Varient]

But McCain didn't say Obama is an uppity black man, nor did he say anything about his race when he made his comments. So I don't see how that is racially charged at all :huh:

In 1988 when a proud card-carrying member of the KKK called me "Boy" on a military ship,... He didn't reference my color or my race but the sentence was negative. And there was NO Doubt to anyone that he was being insulting,... I was both higher ranked and older than he was.


McCain was describing a black man as "Uppity" Period.
There are better words than "uppity".

I defy you to find the word used in the media over the last five years when directed at people in anysort of positive light.

What you will find if you Google it - is that "uppity" is mostly used as an insult to describe WOMEN or Minorities that "don't know their place."

Meh.

[jaguarr]

You know what the bottom line on the Uppity riff?

That we exist in a time where people like "Bill O'reilley" can talk about "Lynching Obamas wife" and then do the "Infamous hands in the air What - what" dance to all the outraged people because THE WORD USED IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RACIALLY CHARGED.

This is because the insensitive are ONE - WAY as far as what should be offensive to who.
There are "common words" in the English Language which are Racially charged when used if ref to blacks. Those of you who are defending someones right to be offensive w/o anyone saying something should get a grip and stop making excuses


Example:

"Boy".

Boy in most situations is harmless and is a word that describes a prepubicent male.

When used at a black person it is high insult on the scale of calling a dog. Punk-azz white BOYS would cheerfully call blackmen with grey in their hair "Boy" because they couldn't be bothered to use their name or call them sir or Mr.

I alway shake my head whenever one of the offensive words as far as the black community is concerned is "bandied about by whites who you know should know better but they can't resist the dig.

V.

I have definitely heard the words "uppity" and "n****r" in the same breath many times before (I had a great uncle from Oklahoma who was very, very racist and said it all the time). It's a pretty old-school insult which may be why it's flying over the heads of some, but I can certainly see why there's suspicion that the choice of words was deliberate.

jag

[Tron5000]

I have definitely heard the words "uppity" and "n****r" in the same breath many times before (I had a great uncle from Oklahoma who was very, very racist and said it all the time). It's a pretty old-school insult which may be why it's flying over the heads of some, but I can certainly see why there's suspicion that the choice of words was deliberate.

jag

Your uncle was wrong for that. Many other people use the word in reference to those of all races, not just blacks. You can't paint everyone with the same brush.

[jaguarr]

Your uncle was wrong for that. Many other people use the word in reference to those of all races, not just blacks. You can't paint everyone with the same brush.

I've absolutely heard that word associated with blacks more than any other race, though. Again, mostly by people from...well...McCain's generation.

jag

[Tron5000]

I've absolutely heard that word associated with blacks more than any other race, though. Again, mostly by people from...well...McCain's generation.

jag

Stop hanging around with old racists. :woot:

[jaguarr]

Stop hanging around with old racists. :woot:

Most of the ones in my family that had that issue are dead. We're still working on finishing a few of them off. But I've heard those two words together in the media before (by wrinkly old people, mostly). I can honestly see why a black person would be offended by it's use.

jag

[SuBe]

Speaking of Rasicts, did anyone hear the sound bite of John Kerry calling Obama a "Tar Baby"? Priceless, only liberals can get away with it.

[The Senator]

In 1988 when a proud card-carrying member of the KKK called me "Boy" on a military ship,... He didn't reference my color or my race but the sentence was negative. And there was NO Doubt to anyone that he was being insulting,... I was both higher ranked and older than he was.


McCain was describing a black man as "Uppity" Period.
There are better words than "uppity".

I defy you to find the word used in the media over the last five years when directed at people in anysort of positive light.

What you will find if you Google it - is that "uppity" is mostly used as an insult to describe WOMEN or Minorities that "don't know their place."

Meh.

I always use the word uppity, and never do I use it to describe black people :huh:

Interesting how, every day, you learn that even the most common, flamboyant words are "racist." Then again, everything McCain says is apparently racist, so what the hell do I know.

All I know is, I am not changing my vocabulary, or my views on the word, considering I've never used it in a bigoted sense. And I've never really heard others use it that way, either.

[The Senator]

Speaking of Rasicts, did anyone hear the sound bite of John Kerry calling Obama a "Tar Baby"? Priceless, only liberals can get away with it.

Now that's racist.

[Tron5000]

Most of the ones in my family that had that issue are dead. We're still working on finishing a few of them off. But I've heard those two words together in the media before (by wrinkly old people, mostly). I can honestly see why a black person would be offended by it's use.

jag

I heard Obama ate a cracker with his soup today. He's manifesting his desire to devour the white man. Racist!

[jaguarr]

Speaking of Rasicts, did anyone hear the sound bite of John Kerry calling Obama a "Tar Baby"? Priceless, only liberals can get away with it.

Whoa! No, I haven't ever heard that. If he really did it, then he should be admonished as much as anyone else. There's no reason for that kind of B.S. :down

jag

[jaguarr]

I heard Obama ate a cracker with his soup today. He's manifesting his desire to devour the white man. Racist!

LOL! Were they Oyster Crackers? Because then you could claim Obama hates sea creatures, too. :funny:

jag

[kainedamo]

Speaking of Rasicts, did anyone hear the sound bite of John Kerry calling Obama a "Tar Baby"? Priceless, only liberals can get away with it.

Wow! Is there a clip?

[Tron5000]

LOL! Were they Oyster Crackers? Because then you could claim Obama hates sea creatures, too. :funny:

jag

They were, but I hear that it has nothing to do with sea creatures. He's anti-octagon. So watch out if ever you are at a 4-way stop with him.

[Addendum]

I heard Obama ate a cracker with his soup today. He's manifesting his desire to devour the white man. Racist!

Manhattan Clam Chowder or New England Clam Chowder?

[SuBe]

Wow! Is there a clip?
I heard the sound bite on the Radio, use the "internet" to find it. Here, I'll help www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

[jaguarr]

I heard the sound bite on the Radio, use the "internet" to find it. Here, I'll help www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

Wow. You're a lot of help. :dry:

So, here's the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnfvzgmXHs

It's a terrible, terrible choice of words given the connotations they have from a racial standpoint. I think it's pretty obvious he was calling the situation with McCain's strategy a "tar baby", meaning that McCain is trying to create a situation from which Obama can't extricate himself from. He was NOT calling Obama a "tar baby" as you previously said. Also, it's not like this term hasn't been thrown around before in the political arena:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNGXB_qx0xk

jag

[Addendum]

vids no workie

[The Senator]

Mitt Romney called the Big Dig a Tar Baby a few years ago... but I don't see how he could be a racist, since his father marched alongside Martin Luther King, Jr. and he burst into tears of happiness when the LDS church allowed black people to join. :dry:

[jaguarr]

vids no workie

First one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnfvzgmXHs

Second one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNGXB_qx0xk


I had to reload them several times to get them to play when I was over on Youtube.

jag

[Addendum]

Speaking of Rasicts, did anyone hear the sound bite of John Kerry calling Obama a "Tar Baby"? Priceless, only liberals can get away with it.

And only a conservative can dream it, since Kerry didn't call Obama a tar baby

[ForestAflame]

They were, but I hear that it has nothing to do with sea creatures. He's anti-octagon. So watch out if ever you are at a 4-way stop with him.

If he's anti-octagon, he could be anti-Pentagon! :wow:

[Tron5000]

If he's anti-octagon, he could be anti-Pentagon! :wow:

Yep. Let's stop these liberals before they destroy all our shapes.

[Excel]

This racism crap is so stupid; as a African American I dont know why so many people get offended. Ignore it. Its quite obvious we're better people than anybody who holds our skin color color against us; they're not worth the effort or time of even wasting a thought on them.

That said, we all know damn well John McCains campaign isnt racist; even if somehow the people in it are. They would NEVER in a million years even attempt to show that off during a campaign.

Just because Baracks black doesnt mean any unusual word that could be interpreted as a racist comment IS racist; whats funny is Obama himself knows all this debate is for nothing because theres no harm meant.

[BlackestNight]

I heard Obama ate a cracker with his soup today. He's manifesting his desire to devour the white man. Racist!

:cmad: Tron5000 how dare you. The Politically correct term is Saltine

This racism crap is so stupid; as a African American I dont know why so many people get offended. Ignore it. Its quite obvious we're better people than anybody who holds our skin color color against us; they're not worth the effort or time of even wasting a thought on them.

That said, we all know damn well John McCains campaign isnt racist; even if somehow the people in it are. They would NEVER in a million years even attempt to show that off during a campaign.

Just because Baracks black doesnt mean any unusual word that could be interpreted as a racist comment IS racist; whats funny is Obama himself knows all this debate is for nothing because theres no harm meant.


I Felt the same way when Mccain let the guy hold the umbrella during MLKs Birthday.

People are just blowing it out of proportion.

[Excel]

I heard Obama ate a cracker with his soup today. He's manifesting his desire to devour the white man. Racist!

:hehe:

[Tron5000]

This racism crap is so stupid; as a African American I dont know why so many people get offended. Ignore it. Its quite obvious we're better people than anybody who holds our skin color color against us; they're not worth the effort or time of even wasting a thought on them.

That said, we all know damn well John McCains campaign isnt racist; even if somehow the people in it are. They would NEVER in a million years even attempt to show that off during a campaign.

Just because Baracks black doesnt mean any unusual word that could be interpreted as a racist comment IS racist; whats funny is Obama himself knows all this debate is for nothing because theres no harm meant.

Well said, sir.

[Tag279]

And only a conservative can dream it, since Kerry didn't call Obama a tar baby

Which is true, considering Mccain is the one that used the term; although, he IMV WAS NOT calling Obama a tar-baby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNGXB_qx0xk&feature=related

[Addendum]

This may be old news for today, but it's kinda funny. (http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/obama_sticker_on_mccains_bus/)

[Varient]

I always use the word uppity, and never do I use it to describe black people :huh:

Interesting how, every day, you learn that even the most common, flamboyant words are "racist." Then again, everything McCain says is apparently racist, so what the hell do I know.

All I know is, I am not changing my vocabulary, or my views on the word, considering I've never used it in a bigoted sense. And I've never really heard others use it that way, either.

It is "interesting" that we are talking about McCain calling a black man "uppity" and you discount it cause YOU never called a Blackman "uppity."

Using this logic,... anything deemed offensive by others is of no concern to anyone because I myself don't do or say them to targeted individuals.


I can't be bothered because it's a waste of time,... but I at least have the consideration of not using certain words around certain people based on Race, Creed, Color, Gender, or Age.
(Blaim my upbringing - I find out a word or action is offensive to a group I try to avoid it happening with that group - It's not that hard.)

I'm thinking based on NEVER seeing you write the word here until we started typing about it - It stretches belief that you "use it all the time."


Nice try.


V.

[Varient]

I have definitely heard the words "uppity" and "n****r" in the same breath many times before (I had a great uncle from Oklahoma who was very, very racist and said it all the time). It's a pretty old-school insult which may be why it's flying over the heads of some, but I can certainly see why there's suspicion that the choice of words was deliberate.

jag

I find it interesting that in these discussions there are LARGE tracks of people, who have never heard or encountered the topic being chewed on,... yet they will argue hard that they KNOW that it can't be seen in anyway as a slight or insult.

MEH.

[Tag279]

I always use the word uppity, and never do I use it to describe black people :huh:

Interesting how, every day, you learn that even the most common, flamboyant words are "racist." Then again, everything McCain says is apparently racist, so what the hell do I know.

All I know is, I am not changing my vocabulary, or my views on the word, considering I've never used it in a bigoted sense. And I've never really heard others use it that way, either.

Jman just because you have never used "uppity" as a racial slur does not mean that others have not or do not use it in that sense. Uppity is a euphamism or derrogatory slang especially considering how it was used.

[Marx]

Jman just because you have never used "uppity" as a racial slur does not mean that others have not or do not use it in that sense. Uppity is a euphamism or derrogatory slang especially considering how it was used.

Any word can be twisted negatively. It's all in the context that it is used. That does not mean that anytime the word is used it is derogatory. To be honest with you, I have never heard that word being referred to as a racial slur.

[Varient]

This racism crap is so stupid; as a African American I dont know why so many people get offended. Ignore it. Its quite obvious we're better people than anybody who holds our skin color color against us; they're not worth the effort or time of even wasting a thought on them.

That said, we all know damn well John McCains campaign isnt racist; even if somehow the people in it are. They would NEVER in a million years even attempt to show that off during a campaign.

Just because Baracks black doesnt mean any unusual word that could be interpreted as a racist comment IS racist; whats funny is Obama himself knows all this debate is for nothing because theres no harm meant.
Sigh.

If you truly "dont know why so many people get offended" Then I think you need to study more history.

We have "Ignored" it since Slavery ended - and it didn't start getting better until we started activily protesting it.
Now your silly behind rests on the laurels of others who did not "ignore it".

Others who suffered for standing up and saying that "you will not put me in a box and classify me as "less" anymore because I "allow" or "ignore it".

These people Stomped on any HINT that they were being stepped on because as a matter of course EVERY interaction always had SOME POINT where their color was called into it.

Now we have A blackman running for the highest political office in the country,... and the disconnect is that young blacks don't recognize the old phrases which had been used to describe blacks in America FOR CENTURIES who go into areas where some would rather not have them go.

I stand with my original statement that he should have known better and I add that you should too.

V.

[Tag279]

Any word can be twisted negatively. It's all in the context that it is used. That does not mean that anytime the word is used it is derogatory. To be honest with you, I have never heard that word being referred to as a racial slur.

Marx don't you live in Ohio? I live in Mississippi and I have to tell you it is used here in the manner that varient and I are referring to.

"Uppity negroes and race agitators are the type a folks that messed up the America" This quote is a statement that was made on a morning talk show today on a country station talk show in my area this morning by a caller.

To the agreement of the radio personalities they were discussing the implications of Obama becoming President.

Just because you have never used a word or had a given derrogatory term directed to you does not mean that it is not used that way.

"Uppity negroes don't seem to know their place" (same caller) the world is big and different people have different experiences. because person "A" has not experienced an event or incident that person "B" has does not make person"B's" experience any less real or hurtful to person "B"

[BlackLantern]

what exactly is a "race agitator"??

[Marx]

Sigh.

If you truly "dont know why so many people get offended" Then I think you need to study more history.

We have "Ignored" it since Slavery ended - and it didn't start getting better until we started activily protesting it.
Now your silly behind rests on the laurels of others who did not "ignore it".

Others who suffered for standing up and saying that "you will not put me in a box and classify me as "less" anymore because I "allow" or "ignore it".

These people Stomped on any HINT that they were being stepped on because as a matter of course EVERY interaction always had SOME POINT where their color was called into it.

Now we have A blackman running for the highest political office in the country,... and the disconnect is that young blacks don't recognize the old phrases which had been used to describe blacks in America FOR CENTURIES who go into areas where some would rather not have them go.

I stand with my original statement that he should have known better and I add that you should too.

V.

Wouldn't you consider it a good thing that "young blacks don't recognize the old phrases?" I guess I don't understand this.

There are those in the african-american community who have resigned themselves to harming the very cause that they represent in an attempt to remain viable. (Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright, Al Sharpton.)

This country has largely moved beyond racial lines, despite what some would like to contend. Am I saying that racists and racism do not still exist? Of course not. My point is that group of people are a very vocal minority in our country. And they are hardly representative of the overall picture.

To me, the fact that people no longer recognize the "old phrases" is a good thing. The fact that Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for President of the United States, and NOT a "black man running for President," is a good thing.

[Marx]

Marx don't you live in Ohio? I live in Mississippi and I have to tell you it is used here in the manner that varient and I are referring to.

"Uppity negroes and race agitators are the type a folks that messed up the America" This quote is a statement that was made on a morning talk show today on a country station talk show in my area this morning by a caller.

To the agreement of the radio personalities they were discussing the implications of Obama becoming President.

Just because you have never used a word or had a given derrogatory term directed to you does not mean that it is not used that way.

"Uppity negroes don't seem to know their place" (same caller) the world is big and different people have different experiences. because person "A" has not experienced an event or incident that person "B" has does not make person"B's" experience any less real or hurtful to person "B"

Yes I do live in Ohio Tag, I fail to see how that is relevent.

To set the record straight - I (and Jman) have never said that just because we haven't heard certain words used in certain ways that it isn't possible. Somehow our words have been twisted into something that they're not.

[The Senator]

It is "interesting" that we are talking about McCain calling a black man "uppity" and you discount it cause YOU never called a Blackman "uppity."

Using this logic,... anything deemed offensive by others is of no concern to anyone because I myself don't do or say them to targeted individuals.


I can't be bothered because it's a waste of time,... but I at least have the consideration of not using certain words around certain people based on Race, Creed, Color, Gender, or Age.
(Blaim my upbringing - I find out a word or action is offensive to a group I try to avoid it happening with that group - It's not that hard.)

I'm thinking based on NEVER seeing you write the word here until we started typing about it - It stretches belief that you "use it all the time."


Nice try.


V.

Maybe you've never seen me write it because I think out my responses on these forums. If I were to write how I talk, the words ****, ass hole, **** and cock sucker would be mentioned in just about every single post I make. Not to mention, it looks better and sounds better when you use the synonyms "presumptuous" or "arrogant."

Maybe I'll start using it on a regular basis:

-Some posters are uppity about their views on Christianity
-My best friend was all uppity because he thought I had a crush on his uppity crush who was even more uppity to think that my friend and I were one big uppity couple
-President Bush is so uppity, he thinks he's the next Harry Truman

etc. etc.

[Varient]

Wouldn't you consider it a good thing that "young blacks don't recognize the old phrases?" I guess I don't understand this.

There are those in the african-american community who have resigned themselves to harming the very cause that they represent in an attempt to remain viable. (Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright, Al Sharpton.)

This country has largely moved beyond racial lines, despite what some would like to contend. Am I saying that racists and racism do not still exist? Of course not. My point is that group of people are a very vocal minority in our country. And they are hardly representative of the overall picture.

To me, the fact that people no longer recognize the "old phrases" is a good thing. The fact that Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for President of the United States, and NOT a "black man running for President," is a good thing.

Here's my deal:

IF McCain were 30 years younger I'd have chalked it up as pure innocence. You wouldn't have heard a peep out of my stating how disappointed I was that he would push that button.

JJ had it once but lost sight,
RW is only passing on his experiences in ways that offend whites who don't want to be put in a box,(That made me smile,.. RW gives white america a FRACTION of what they as a group have heaped on black america for decades and they howl about it like he wears a black sheet and hangs white people.)

And sharpton used to be better than this - he's spent so many years chasing justice and looking for the good fight that he's hoarse and spent with folk not really listening to him anymore.

BTW,... Every other phrase coming from the conservative Right has been "Black man running for President"

Peace.

[Marx]

Here's my deal:

IF McCain were 30 years younger I'd have chalked it up as pure innocence. You wouldn't have heard a peep out of my stating how disappointed I was that he would push that button.

JJ had it once but lost sight,
RW is only passing on his experiences in ways that offend whites who don't want to be put in a box,(That made me smile,.. RW gives white america a FRACTION of what they as a group have heaped on black america for decades and they howl about it like he wears a black sheet and hangs white people.)

And sharpton used to be better than this - he's spent so many years chasing justice and looking for the good fight that he's hoarse and spent with folk not really listening to him anymore.

BTW,... Every other phrase coming from the conservative Right has been "Black man running for President"

Peace.

But that's what I'm trying to say V. The Conservative Right is hardly representative of the overall picture of the United States. Neither are Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright, and Al Sharpton. They all do nothing but stir the pot to promote their own agendas, despite the fact that the country doesn't reflect their extremist views.

[BlackLantern]

Saltines...crackers...uppitiness....baby mama.....my brain is dry heaving

[The Senator]

Saltines...crackers...uppitiness....baby mama.....my brain is dry heaving

Mix that with a bottle of vodka and a pack of cigarettes, and you've got my evening down.

[Tag279]

what exactly is a "race agitator"??

This is a term used by southerners to describe people from other parts of the country protesting Jim Crowe laws and racial discrimination.

This term was recently used by people describing the protesters that went to Jena Louisiana.

[Marx]

Kaine: Virginia could go blue for Obama
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/06/kaine-virginia-could-go-blue-for-obama/

[rdh007]

Kaine: Virginia could go blue for Obama
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/06/kaine-virginia-could-go-blue-for-obama/

Now he's just desperate. :down:

Though he's not the worst candidate for the job.

[Tag279]

Wouldn't you consider it a good thing that "young blacks don't recognize the old phrases?" I guess I don't understand this.

There are those in the african-american community who have resigned themselves to harming the very cause that they represent in an attempt to remain viable. (Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright, Al Sharpton.)

This country has largely moved beyond racial lines, despite what some would like to contend. Am I saying that racists and racism do not still exist? Of course not. My point is that group of people are a very vocal minority in our country. And they are hardly representative of the overall picture.

To me, the fact that people no longer recognize the "old phrases" is a good thing. The fact that Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for President of the United States, and NOT a "black man running for President," is a good thing.

Marx I can appreciate your optomistic views. I wish you were 100% correct.

Yes we as a nation have begun to move beyond racial lines but there are numerous pockets of racism alive kicking and active.

Consider the illegal immigrant beat to death by three white teens in Texas very recently.

Consider the mass shooting at Lockheed Martin 5-years ago.

Consider Jena Louisiana last year.

Consider the young man hung in my city two years ago because he was black and was about to marry a white woman.

This racial intolerance and misunderstanding is still very present.

[BlackLantern]

so if I am having relations with a white woman and I go for some backdoor lovin' and she refuses is she being uppity...??

[Marx]

Marx I can appreciate your optomistic views. I wish you were 100% correct.

Yes we as a nation have begun to move beyond racial lines but there are numerous pockets of racism alive kicking and active.

Consider the illegal immigrant beat to death by three white teens in Texas very recently.

Consider the mass shooting at Lockheed Martin 5-years ago.

Consider Jena Louisiana last year.

Consider the young man hung in my city two years ago because he was black and was about to marry a white woman.

This racial intolerance and misunderstanding is still very present.

There will always be pockets of racism alive and kicking in this country. No matter what gains are made, there will always be those who seek to undo what has been done in order to remain viable. However, they are a small and very vocal minority.

Illegal immigrant murders in texas, mass shootings at Lockheed, and the Jena 6 are perfect examples of racism still being a problem. That said, I strongly believe that situations like that occur in very small numbers. It is not representative of the larger views in this country.

[Tag279]

There will always be pockets of racism alive and kicking in this country. No matter what gains are made, there will always be those who seek to undo what has been done in order to remain viable. However, they are a small and very vocal minority.

Illegal immigrant murders in texas, mass shootings at Lockheed, and the Jena 6 are perfect examples of racism still being a problem. That said, I strongly believe that situations like that occur in very small numbers. It is not representative of the larger views in this country.

This is true sir this is true. :up:

[Tron5000]

Marx don't you live in Ohio? I live in Mississippi and I have to tell you it is used here in the manner that varient and I are referring to.

"Uppity negroes and race agitators are the type a folks that messed up the America" This quote is a statement that was made on a morning talk show today on a country station talk show in my area this morning by a caller.

To the agreement of the radio personalities they were discussing the implications of Obama becoming President.

Just because you have never used a word or had a given derrogatory term directed to you does not mean that it is not used that way.

"Uppity negroes don't seem to know their place" (same caller) the world is big and different people have different experiences. because person "A" has not experienced an event or incident that person "B" has does not make person"B's" experience any less real or hurtful to person "B"

From the Department of Redundancy Department.

[Tron5000]

so if I am having relations with a white woman and I go for some backdoor lovin' and she refuses is she being uppity...??

Any woman who refuses is being uppity. Especially if it's in your bed. If she ain't cool with it, get to steppin', ho.

[Tron5000]

This is a term used by southerners to describe people from other parts of the country protesting Jim Crowe laws and racial discrimination.

This term was recently used by people describing the protesters that went to Jena Louisiana.

I'm from The South, and have never used that term, nor have any of my friends (that I can recall). Of which "southerners" do you speak, sir?

[Tag279]

I'm from The South, and have never used that term, nor have any of my friends (that I can recall). Of which "southerners" do you speak, sir?

Tron I live in Mississippi I'm 35 people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s use this term when a person is called "uppity" it is to indicate that they are viewed as someone that are acting beyond their station.

When the Lockheed Martin incident and people from other parts of the country came through here they were called agitators you see the man that did the shooting was intent on killing his black co-workers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-08-lockheed-shooting_x.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/07/08/plant.shoot/index.html

When his family was interviewed by our local news one of his relatives that uppity blacks were responsible for his anger.

[Tron5000]

Tron I live in Mississippi I'm 35 people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s use this term when a person is called "uppity" it is to indicate that they are viewed as someone that are acting beyond their station.

When the Lockheed Martin incident and people from other parts of the country came through here they were called agitators you see the man that did the shooting was intent on killing his black co-workers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-08-lockheed-shooting_x.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/07/08/plant.shoot/index.html

When his family was interviewed by our local news one of his relatives that uppity blacks were responsible for his anger.

What does one crazy dude have to do with me or the definition of a word?

[Tag279]

What does one crazy dude have to do with me or the definition of a word?

You asserted that you don't use the word and never heard anyone use that word in a racially derrogatory fashion I gave you an example of an incident where it applied.

What's the problem? :huh:

If you want a definition here is one.

uppity

Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's place in a social heirarchy. Assuming equality with someone higher up the social ladder.

From the Urban dictionary.

From the Online Dictionary
up·pi·ty (http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ubreve.gifphttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gif-thttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif) adj. Informal Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous: "was getting a little uppity and needed to be slapped down" New York Times.

[Tron5000]

You asserted that you don't use the word and never heard anyone use that word in a racially derrogatory fashion I gave you an example of an incident where it applied.

What's the problem? :huh:

If you want a definition here is one.

uppity

Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's place in a social heirarchy. Assuming equality with someone higher up the social ladder.

From the Urban dictionary.

From the Online Dictionary
up·pi·ty (http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ubreve.gifphttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gif-thttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif) adj. Informal Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous: "was getting a little uppity and needed to be slapped down" New York Times.

So how is that racist?

[Marx]

So how is that racist?

That's what I'm still trying to figure out. :huh:

[The Senator]

-my cat was all uppity because she thought the dangling electrical wire was something she could play with

-Hillary Clinton is uppity because she thinks she could be Senate majority leader

-Mitt Romney is uppity because he thinks magic underwear will cleanse his soul.

-Joe Lieberman is uppity because he thinks the Democrats won't kick him out of the party next year.

Looks like uppity can also describe women, Mormons, Jews and animals...

[Marx]

-my cat was all uppity because she thought the dangling electrical wire was something she could play with

-Hillary Clinton is uppity because she thinks she could be Senate majority leader

-Mitt Romney is uppity because he thinks magic underwear will cleanse his soul.

-Joe Lieberman is uppity because he thinks the Democrats won't kick him out of the party next year.

Looks like uppity can also describe women, Mormons, Jews and animals...

I just don't get it. It is true that any word can be used in a negative context, but how something like "uppity" can be considered racial is beyond me.

[Tag279]

So how is that racist?

That's what I'm still trying to figure out. :huh:

Uppity is used as part of a racial slur it is not racial in itself. When I was at the University of Alabama at a debate and forensic tournament when I was in college my team-mate and I were going into the university center to find our when our next round was and two white students glared at my team-mate and I, and said "Uppity N*****s and walked off remarking on how N*****s were dangerous when they became educated.

All I am saying is that that particular word for a large number of black people especially those that have grown up in the deep south have a severely negative connotation.

And when blacks call other blacks uppity because they have gotten educations, speak well, or have what are percived as good jobs it hurts even worse.

[Marx]

Uppity is used as part of a racial slur it is not racial in itself. When I was at the University of Alabama at a debate and forensic tournament when I was in college my team-mate and I were going into the university center to find our when our next round was and two white students glared at my team-mate and I, and said "Uppity N*****s and walked off remarking on how N*****s were dangerous when they became educated.

All I am saying is that that particular word for a large number of black people especially those that have grown up in the deep south have a severely negative connotation.

And when blacks call other blacks uppity because they have gotten educations, speak well, or have what are percived as good jobs it hurts even worse.

It is no different than adding any other supporting descriptive word to the slur. It would be no different than saying arrogant, snooty, or snobbish. Or adding those same words to b****, a******, or p****. In any case, I think it is more a matter of over-sensitivity. (With all due respect.)

[Excel]

Sigh.

:hehe:

If you truly "dont know why so many people get offended" Then I think you need to study more history.

I know my history. None of the people who had my anncestors as slaves are still alive :hehe: and modern racism comes from uneducated, low lifes who I coudl care less about :huh:

The only thing I really take offense to are seeing confederate flags on a car. And even that that doesnt mean theyre racists :yay:


We have "Ignored" it since Slavery ended - and it didn't start getting better until we started activily protesting it.
Now your silly behind rests on the laurels of others who did not "ignore it".


"Sigh"

Others who suffered for standing up and saying that "you will not put me in a box and classify me as "less" anymore because I "allow" or "ignore it".

Those people were oppressed. African Americvan now, for the vast most part, arent. Whats your point :huh:

I would have done the same thing if I were in that situation...but Im not.

These people Stomped on any HINT that they were being stepped on because as a matter of course EVERY interaction always had SOME POINT where their color was called into it.

Ok.

Now we have A blackman running for the highest political office in the country,... and the disconnect is that young blacks don't recognize the old phrases which had been used to describe blacks in America FOR CENTURIES who go into areas where some would rather not have them go.

Yes we do. Times have changed. Of course we recognize them, but I have such a little amount of respect for any peopl hatin on Black people that they arent worth the effort to even think about because they have no say in what goes on in my life. It wasnt like that in the times your talking about, so having my opinion wouldnt have suited you well back then. But it does now :yay:

I stand with my original statement that he should have known better and I add that you should too.

Please. Obama is a lot stronger then some candidate who has to play victim to get support.

XL

[Tron5000]

Uppity is used as part of a racial slur it is not racial in itself. When I was at the University of Alabama at a debate and forensic tournament when I was in college my team-mate and I were going into the university center to find our when our next round was and two white students glared at my team-mate and I, and said "Uppity N*****s and walked off remarking on how N*****s were dangerous when they became educated.

All I am saying is that that particular word for a large number of black people especially those that have grown up in the deep south have a severely negative connotation.

And when blacks call other blacks uppity because they have gotten educations, speak well, or have what are percived as good jobs it hurts even worse.

I live in the Deep South. Don't often hear that phrase. Sorry for the experience you endured, but that is not indicative of most Southerners.

[The Senator]

Many gay people find the word "queer" offensive.

At the same time, it has become a word which we use to describe the entire GLBT community. It's one syllable and easier to say than the GLBT/ LBGT/ LGBT abbreviation used by most people.

Yeah, I can see why it is offensive for a gay person to hear him referred to as a member of the "queer community." But, I'd tell that person that he has to look at how the word was used in context.

"Uppity n-word" is different from "that cat was uppity." One was meant to be derogatory, the other was meant to describe how stupid the cat was. "what a queer" is different from "he's a member of the queer community." It all depends on context.

[Tag279]

It is no different than adding any other supporting descriptive word to the slur. It would be no different than saying arrogant, snooty, or snobbish. Or adding those same words to b****, a******, or p****. In any case, I think it is more a matter of over-sensitivity. (With all due respect.)

How can you come off and assert over sensitivity when you have not experienced the same thing that i have experienced? Marx you and Jman are not black how can you all dismiss the feelings of black people when you have not experienced it.

I try to be civil and respectful of other peoples points of view; I don't always succeed but i try.

Yet you are willing to dismiss my experiences and my reactions to them? I would not even begin to dismiss negative things that Jman has experienced from ignorant evil people who have a problem with his lifestyle choice.

Why are you so willing to dismiss what black people feel or have experienced for the simple fact that they are black?

BL is fortunate to never have had blatant racial hatred directed toward him; his experiences ARE NOT indicative of the experiences that most black people have had in regards to racial conflict.

I and others wish that we would have been so blessed.

[Tron5000]

Many gay people find the word "queer" offensive.

At the same time, it has become a word which we use to describe the entire GLBT community. It's one syllable and easier to say than the GLBT/ LBGT/ LGBT abbreviation used by most people.

Yeah, I can see why it is offensive for a gay person to hear him referred to as a member of the "queer community." But, I'd tell that person that he has to look at how the word was used in context.

"Uppity n-word" is different from "that cat was uppity." One was meant to be derogatory, the other was meant to describe how stupid the cat was. "what a queer" is different from "he's a member of the queer community." It all depends on context.

That's kind of a queer statement, but I agree with it.

Just don't go getting all fairy on us. :woot:

[Marx]

Many gay people find the word "queer" offensive.

At the same time, it has become a word which we use to describe the entire GLBT community. It's one syllable and easier to say than the GLBT/ LBGT/ LGBT abbreviation used by most people.

Yeah, I can see why it is offensive for a gay person to hear him referred to as a member of the "queer community." But, I'd tell that person that he has to look at how the word was used in context.

"Uppity n-word" is different from "that cat was uppity." One was meant to be derogatory, the other was meant to describe how stupid the cat was. "what a queer" is different from "he's a member of the queer community." It all depends on context.

That's what I've been saying all along. It all comes down to the context in which it is used.

[The Senator]

That's kind of a queer statement, but I agree with it.

Just don't go getting all fairy on us. :woot:

homophobe :cmad:

[Addendum]

Uppity is used as part of a racial slur, it is not racial in itself.
Which is the point Marx and Jman have been making all day

[Marx]

How can you come off and assert over sensitivity when you have not experienced the same thing that i have experienced? Marx you and Jman are not black how can you all dismiss the feelings of black people when you have not experienced it.

I try to be civil and respectful of other peoples points of view; I don't always succeed but i try.

Yet you are willing to dismiss my experiences and my reactions to them? I would not even begin to dismiss negative things that Jman has experienced from ignorant evil people who have a problem with his lifestyle choice.

Why are you so willing to dismiss what black people feel or have experienced for the simple fact that they are black?

BL is fortunate to never have had blatant racial hatred directed toward him; his experiences ARE NOT indicative of the experiences that most black people have had in regards to racial conflict.

I and others wish that we would have been so blessed.

On that note, I am officially done having this conversation with you Tag. I won't stand for being accused of something that I am not doing. We were discussing the use of one word to emphasize another. To which I said that simply hearing (and being offended by) the emphasing word might be a little overly sensitive. In no way am I dismissing an entire group of people, their experiences, and their feelings simply because I believe being offended by one word out of context is a matter of being more sensitive than anything else.

[Tron5000]

homophobe :cmad:

Heterophobe. :cmad:

[The Senator]

Heterophobe. :cmad:

I'm not afraid of heteros! You may be in Georgia but I'll gladly pay the airfare to turn you into gator bait! :cmad: :cmad:

[Tag279]

On that note, I am officially done having this conversation with you Tag. I won't stand for being accused of something that I am not doing. We were discussing the use of one word to emphasize another. To which I said that simply hearing (and being offended by) the emphasing word might be a little overly sensitive. In no way am I dismissing an entire group of people, their experiences, and their feelings simply because I believe being offended by one word out of context is a matter of being more sensitive than anything else.

I apologize for my misundestanding sir. I guess I am overly sensitive to the word in question today becase of something that I experienced yesterday.

Again I apologize.

[Tron5000]

I'm not afraid of heteros! You may be in Georgia but I'll gladly pay the airfare to turn you into gator bait! :cmad: :cmad:

Am I supposed to put 3 frowny faces? Have we raised the stakes?

[The Senator]

How can you come off and assert over sensitivity when you have not experienced the same thing that i have experienced? Marx you and Jman are not black how can you all dismiss the feelings of black people when you have not experienced it.

I try to be civil and respectful of other peoples points of view; I don't always succeed but i try.

Yet you are willing to dismiss my experiences and my reactions to them? I would not even begin to dismiss negative things that Jman has experienced from ignorant evil people who have a problem with his lifestyle choice.

Why are you so willing to dismiss what black people feel or have experienced for the simple fact that they are black?

BL is fortunate to never have had blatant racial hatred directed toward him; his experiences ARE NOT indicative of the experiences that most black people have had in regards to racial conflict.

I and others wish that we would have been so blessed.

I never said that I don't see how black people could be offended at the word "uppity."

Not even close.

Once again, you're trying to peg us white posters as a bunch of ignorant, self righteous (I'd use the word "uppity" but that would defeat the purpose) jerks who think that there is no way in which that word can be used as a racist slur.

Never once did I say that.

I did say that I have never heard it used in a racist context until today (and that may or may not be true; I may have heard it but I probably didn't pay attention because it most likely came out of the mouth of some ass hole). And since, I never said that black people should get over its use.

I said that CONTEXT is important. You can't go around feeling pissed off because someone used the word "uppity," especially when that person didn't use it to be derogatory.

Tying back to the original point (and Excel really touched on this), I think it is asinine to assume that McCain used the term to spur some sort of race war. Was it out of line? No, but you know what, he probably shouldn't have said it because every apologetic bleeding heart has been overturning stones and studying every word which comes out of that man's mouth just so they could label him a "racist."

When McCain says "Obama is being uppity... because he's black!" I'll start examining whether or not McCain is racist. Until then, though, I'm going to take the high road and refuse to submit to this "let's paint McCain as a racist!" playbook.

[The Senator]

Am I supposed to put 3 frowny faces? Have we raised the stakes?

I'd say yes, but now that I realized I'm broke, your gator-bait days are hereby postponed... for now...

[Tag279]

I never said that I don't see how black people could be offended at the word "uppity."

Not even close.

Once again, you're trying to peg us white posters as a bunch of ignorant, self righteous (I'd use the word "uppity" but that would defeat the purpose) jerks who think that there is no way in which that word can be used as a racist slur.

Never once did I say that.

I did say that I have never heard it used in a racist context until today (and that may or may not be true; I may have heard it but I probably didn't pay attention because it most likely came out of the mouth of some ass hole). And since, I never said that black people should get over its use.

I said that CONTEXT is important. You can't go around feeling pissed off because someone used the word "uppity," especially when that person didn't use it to be derogatory.

Tying back to the original point (and Excel really touched on this), I think it is asinine to assume that McCain used the term to spur some sort of race war. Was it out of line? No, but you know what, he probably shouldn't have said it because every apologetic bleeding heart has been overturning stones and studying every word which comes out of that man's mouth just so they could label him a "racist."

When McCain says "Obama is being uppity... because he's black!" I'll start examining whether or not McCain is racist. Until then, though, I'm going to take the high road and refuse to submit to this "let's paint McCain as a racist!" playbook.

I never said McCain was a racist because he used the term "uppity" Now if McCain says that Obama is an Uppity black person I might consider it.

Just like the whole tar-baby thing it appeard that he did not use the word in a racialy inflammatory fashion.

[Tron5000]

I'd say yes, but now that I realized I'm broke, your gator-bait days are hereby postponed... for now...

Bait...Gators...You know I live in Georgia. Now I'm hungry.

[Kelly]

Well I see nothing has changed in the few days I've been gone....lmao

[Tron5000]

Well I see nothing has changed in the few days I've been gone....lmao

Nope. Barry O's still a Socialist. Nothing new here. Move along.

[Kelly]

*sighs*

[Tron5000]

*cries*

[moraldeficiency]

so if I am having relations with a white woman and I go for some backdoor lovin' and she refuses is she being uppity...??

No, just too sober....





Hey, BTW, what the hell? Yesterday everyone was on me for saying that it could POSSIBLY be a racially incitive term and it was like I smoked one crack rock too many, and today I look and other people have finally shown up to say, yeah that's actually a point. Where were you people yesterday? Bastards.

[jaguarr]

No, just too sober....





Hey, BTW, what the hell? Yesterday everyone was on me for saying that it could POSSIBLY be a racially incitive term and it was like I smoked one crack rock too many, and today I look and other people have finally shown up to say, yeah that's actually a point. Where were you people yesterday? Bastards.

Nahhh. I was saying it too but no one wanted to listen. Whatchyagonnado?

jag

[moraldeficiency]

Nahhh. I was saying it too but no one wanted to listen. Whatchyagonnado?

jag

I think I can say, with no measure of false bravado, that we are the greatest heroes in modern day time.

[jaguarr]

I think I can say, with no measure of false bravado, that we are the greatest heroes in modern day time.

Even greater than Andy Dick!? :eek:

jag

[Tron5000]

Jim J Bullock FTW.

[jaguarr]

Jim J Bullock FTW.

Look, don't make me reference Jim Neighbors. :cmad:

jag

[moraldeficiency]

Even greater than Andy Dick!? :eek:

jag

Greater than andy dick, nathan lane and al roker combined. There should really be some parades and statues in our honor. The lack of recognition for this I, of course, blame on uppity white devils.

[Tron5000]

Greater than andy dick, nathan lane and al rocker combined. There should really be some parades and statues in our honor. The lack of recognition for this I, of course, blame on uppity white devils.

"Uppity" can be used in reference to whites? I had no idea. My whole world is crashing down around me.

[jaguarr]

"Uppity" can be used in reference to whites? I had no idea. My whole world is crashing down around me.

Yes, but it's mostly only applicable to conservatives. :hehe:

jag

[moraldeficiency]

"Uppity" can be used in reference to whites? I had no idea. My whole world is crashing down around me.

But only in the subtext of double reverse racism, boy.

[Tron5000]

But only in the subtext of double reverse racism, boy.

Is that akin to Double Secret Probation?

Now my head hurts. Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

[Varient]

Good Morning.

Maybe you've never seen me write it because I think out my responses on these forums. If I were to write how I talk, the words ****, ass hole, **** and cock sucker would be mentioned in just about every single post I make. Not to mention, it looks better and sounds better when you use the synonyms "presumptuous" or "arrogant."

Maybe I'll start using it on a regular basis:

-Some posters are uppity about their views on Christianity
-My best friend was all uppity because he thought I had a crush on his uppity crush who was even more uppity to think that my friend and I were one big uppity couple
-President Bush is so uppity, he thinks he's the next Harry Truman

etc. etc.
Sarcastic Wit noted and somewhat accepted.

But that's what I'm trying to say V. The Conservative Right is hardly representative of the overall picture of the United States. Neither are Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright, and Al Sharpton. They all do nothing but stir the pot to promote their own agendas, despite the fact that the country doesn't reflect their extremist views.
Okay,.. Point. Since these guys are all in the minority they can be safely ignored??
(Looking @ history and shaking head.)
Did I once mention at least a decade before the country was ready for a black president? Let me bump that up to 25.

so if I am having relations with a white woman and I go for some backdoor lovin' and she refuses is she being uppity...??

That was Just wrong.

V.

[Matt]

No it wasn't V, it was actually quite funny. You're just being overly sensitive.

[moraldeficiency]

Hey someone who's name rhymes with Don Shmedwards apparently will not be speaking at any event regarding the nomination:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/46637.html

"If there is not an explanation that's satisfactory, acceptable and meets high moral standards, the answer is 'no,' he would not be a prime candidate to make a major address to the convention," said Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chair.



Now I'd hate to speculate on someone so sacred that the mere mention of possible immorality is enough to term the most liberal democrat into Hitler's right hand of banning, but the silence in spite of this is a bit suspicious.

[Tron5000]

I hear crickets.

[jaguarr]

No it wasn't V, it was actually quite funny. You're just being overly sensitive.

He didn't say that he didn't think it was funny, he just said it was wrong. Hasn't anyone ever said something that made you laugh but think or say "Man, that was really wrong" at the same time?

jag

[Varient]

:hehe:
I know my history. None of the people who had my anncestors as slaves are still alive :hehe: and modern racism comes from uneducated, low lifes who I coudl care less about :huh:
The only thing I really take offense to are seeing confederate flags on a car. And even that that doesnt mean theyre racists :yay:
"Sigh"
Those people were oppressed. African Americvan now, for the vast most part, arent. Whats your point :huh:
I would have done the same thing if I were in that situation...but Im not.
Ok.

Yes we do. Times have changed. Of course we recognize them, but I have such a little amount of respect for any peopl hatin on Black people that they arent worth the effort to even think about because they have no say in what goes on in my life. It wasnt like that in the times your talking about, so having my opinion wouldnt have suited you well back then. But it does now :yay:



Please. Obama is a lot stronger then some candidate who has to play victim to get support.

XL
?
Okay. To save time going back and forth - I'm gonna say that you shouldn't say you don't understand why folk would be offended, then say you DO understand in your response to me why folk could get offended but YOU WON'T because times have changed.

Stating the obvious as far as the day to day - the ignoring that most blacks in my experience do to exist in the "day to day" - because of the vocal minority who takes comfort in trying to reduce based on difference - does not excuse the fact that a man who has lived thru the time period where the phrase was common has used it to describe his opponent.

My point remains that he should have known better and since he didn't either:
one - he does know but is trying to get the dems to act out.
two - he is clueless and I don't want someone so unaware in his own backyard to handle foriegn policy.

V.

[Varient]

No it wasn't V, it was actually quite funny. You're just being overly sensitive.
??
U got jokes - this may be hard for me to explain,....

He didn't say that he didn't think it was funny, he just said it was wrong. Hasn't anyone ever said something that made you laugh but think or say "Man, that was really wrong" at the same time?

jag

Nevermind,... Jag did it in one.

[Matt]

:hehe:
I know my history. None of the people who had my anncestors as slaves are still alive :hehe: and modern racism comes from uneducated, low lifes who I coudl care less about :huh:
The only thing I really take offense to are seeing confederate flags on a car. And even that that doesnt mean theyre racists :yay:
"Sigh"
Those people were oppressed. African Americvan now, for the vast most part, arent. Whats your point :huh:
I would have done the same thing if I were in that situation...but Im not.
Ok.

Yes we do. Times have changed. Of course we recognize them, but I have such a little amount of respect for any peopl hatin on Black people that they arent worth the effort to even think about because they have no say in what goes on in my life. It wasnt like that in the times your talking about, so having my opinion wouldnt have suited you well back then. But it does now :yay:



Please. Obama is a lot stronger then some candidate who has to play victim to get support.

XL

Excel, for once we are in total agreement (and for the record, I love the XL thing). Obama is playing the victim card, if not directly, than through surrogates...and frankly, I can't figure out why. Its a ridiculous strategy but I doubt it will be effective. The African American base is already rallied behind him, and at this point I am 99.9% sure they won't go away no matter what he does. Therefore, playing the "racist card" can only have one desired effect that I can see. He wants to stir up the whole "white guilt" angle to get voters.

Frankly, I think the whole white guilt thing is a load of ****. What do I have to be guilty about? During the time of slavery, my ancestors were living in poverty in the boot. During the time of Jim Crowe laws, my great grandfather was living in poverty, working in steel mills. During the civil rights movement, my grandfather and father...you guessed it, living in poverty, working in the steel mills. I never did anything to oppress black people, my ancestors never did anything to oppress black people. I have nothing to feel guilty about. Most white Americans do not. The notion that we should be apologetic and hand this campaign to Barack Obama because a few jackasses use the word uppity with a racist over tone is ridiculous and frankly not a road the Senator should be going down.

[Matt]

Interesting article on "Obama Fatigue"

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/08/07/obama/#

[The Senator]

Excel, for once we are in total agreement (and for the record, I love the XL thing). Obama is playing the victim card, if not directly, than through surrogates...and frankly, I can't figure out why. Its a ridiculous strategy but I doubt it will be effective. The African American base is already rallied behind him, and at this point I am 99.9% sure they won't go away no matter what he does. Therefore, playing the "racist card" can only have one desired effect that I can see. He wants to stir up the whole "white guilt" angle to get voters.

Frankly, I think the whole white guilt thing is a load of ****. What do I have to be guilty about? During the time of slavery, my ancestors were living in poverty in the boot. During the time of Jim Crowe laws, my great grandfather was living in poverty, working in steel mills. During the civil rights movement, my grandfather and father...you guessed it, living in poverty, working in the steel mills. I never did anything to oppress black people, my ancestors never did anything to oppress black people. I have nothing to feel guilty about. Most white Americans do not. The notion that we should be apologetic and hand this campaign to Barack Obama because a few jackasses use the word uppity with a racist over tone is ridiculous and frankly not a road the Senator should be going down.

Same thing with me. My ancestors came over here from Ireland in the late 1800s, lived in New York City for a while, emigrated to Kansas and then returned to New York. They have no connection to slavery and never lived in a state where Jim Crowe laws were on the record.

My mom's side of the family is pretty much the same, except her relatives came from the Mediterranean and settled in New Jersey before moving to upstate New York. I don't know why I should be responsible or feel guilty for something my ancestors never did :huh:

[Kelly]

Interesting article on "Obama Fatigue"

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/08/07/obama/#

Yeah, I'm getting Obama fatigue myself.....its a good thing he's going on vacation.

[Tron5000]

Same thing with me. My ancestors came over here from Ireland in the late 1800s, lived in New York City for a while, emigrated to Kansas and then returned to New York. They have no connection to slavery and never lived in a state where Jim Crowe laws were on the record.

My mom's side of the family is pretty much the same, except her relatives came from the Mediterranean and settled in New Jersey before moving to upstate New York. I don't know why I should be responsible or feel guilty for something my ancestors never did :huh:

You shouldn't. But Jesse Jackson may cut out your balls.

[moraldeficiency]

ah, the beauty of being the modern day immigrant, I have nothing to explain or ancestors to apologize for.

[Tron5000]

Yeah, I'm getting Obama fatigue myself.....its a good thing he's going on vacation.

With the rest of the Dems in Washington. Have fun, guys!

I wonder if he's on a B-ball court right now. Working on that jump shot. My president better have a higher free throw percentage than Shaq.

[moraldeficiency]

My president better have a higher free throw percentage than Shaq.

That shouldn't be too hard... Hell nixon can do that right now, and he's dead.

[Matt]

ah, the beauty of being the modern day immigrant, I have nothing to explain or ancestors to apologize for.

I personally do not think anyone should have to explain or apologize for the actions of their ancestors, something which they had no control over.

[jaguarr]

That shouldn't be too hard... Hell nixon can do that right now, and he's dead.

:funny:

jag

[moraldeficiency]

I personally do not think anyone should have to explain or apologize for the actions of their ancestors, something which they had no control over.



No, you don't have to, but you just did that in response to Ex's comment. If it really didn't matter in the slightest the last page wouldn't have the family histories of half of this board.

[Matt]

I'm commenting on Obama's newest strategy. He does seem to be trying to invoke this feeling of white guilt.

[The Senator]

Well, some people think that every white person in this country is guilty for slavery and segregation...

[Kelly]

With the rest of the Dems in Washington. Have fun, guys!

I wonder if he's on a B-ball court right now. Working on that jump shot. My president better have a higher free throw percentage than Shaq.

I wish Pelosi would go on a permanent vacation. I very seldom, if ever, say that I hate someone that I don't know personally, but my god I hate that woman.:o

[Tron5000]

I wish Pelosi would go on a permanent vacation. I very seldom, if ever, say that I hate someone that I don't know personally, but my god I hate that woman.:o

Word, son.

[cityeyes]

I managed to get some shots of him visiting my hometown. I can't believe I made it in time. I was actually in the area 30 minutes prior to his visit, but had no idea it was going to happen (it was unannounced). I had to jet my ass out there the second I read about it.

http://flickr.com/photos/cityeyes/sets/72157606581516557/

[moraldeficiency]

I'm commenting on Obama's newest strategy. He does seem to be trying to invoke this feeling of white guilt.

Other than calling out some phrases, which many others agree are racially provocative, I don't see it. Didn't he spend father's day telling black men to man up? Or is that some double reverse racism white guilt play I'm not seeing? I won't say the media hasn't done that but to call it Obama's latest strategy seems a bit much.

[moraldeficiency]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/

Tire Joke
Posted Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:24 PM By Christopher Beam


Call it the Candidate-Campaign Consistency Quotient: the ability of the candidate to remain in line with the campaign’s message. Judging from the past few weeks, John McCain’s CCCQ is low and trending downward.

Last week, the Washington Post noted McCain’s tendency to veer off course. When he was supposed to be slamming Obama for supporting a 16-month timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, McCain called it “a pretty good timetable.” When he was supposed to be building a brand for his energy plan, the “Lexington Project,” he told an audience “you can call it anything you want.”

Add a new drift to the list. After Barack Obama suggested last week that one way for Americans to conserve gas is to keep their tires inflated (which, um, works), Republicans started handing out tire gauges engraved with the words “Obama Energy Plan.” Yesterday, Obama mocked them right back: “It’s like they take pride in being ignorant.” Still, Republicans continue to push the point.

Republicans, that is, except McCain. During a telephone town hall meeting Tuesday, McCain conceded the issue. “Obama said, a couple of days ago, says we all should inflate our tires,” McCain said. “I don’t disagree with that. The American Automobile Association strongly recommends it.” Yet McCain’s Web site still has a section on its front page devoted to the “Obama Tire Gauge.”

Why the disparity? McCain’s camp hasn’t returned requests for an explanation. My guess: It’s easier for a campaign or party to take cheap shots on behalf of a candidate than for a candidate to take cheap shots himself. Especially when it’s such a basic, right-or-wrong question as whether or not tire pressure conserves gas. You can go after Obama for not having a thorough enough energy plan. (Although many disagree.) But if you’re looking for a specific policy to attack, maybe pick something your own candidate disagrees with. Otherwise, it looks like he's undermining the campaign's message—again.

[Tron5000]

I managed to get some shots of him visiting my hometown. I can't believe I made it in time. I was actually in the area 30 minutes prior to his visit, but had no idea it was going to happen (it was unannounced). I had to jet my ass out there the second I read about it.

http://flickr.com/photos/cityeyes/sets/72157606581516557/

Did a light shine down upon you while in his presence? God wants you to vote for Barack, you know.