DTL Season 5-Week 7 (Set 1)

[DTL Commish]

The rules:
This is one of four threads containing matches.
Due to the holiday, these threads will be in use for 20 days. Days 1-12 (Dec 15-Dec 26) are strictly setup time for owners to plead their cases, tell us their team’s strategies, breakdown the match ups, and do whatever else they can/want to do to try and convince you that their team would pull out a victory. Please, let the owners do this on their own with no help from you, the fan.

On Day 13 (Dec 27) I will post and tell everyone that voting may begin. Only after doing so will voting start. Any votes cast before I open voting will not count.

Look over the matchups and read the owners strategies and take into consideration how in-character each character is. Afterwards, use your best judgment to decide who you think has the best chance to win the match up. (Note: The length of a writeup is up to the owner. Do not punish owners just for having a shorter writeup.)

To vote, post the team names you think will prevail in each match. Remember, to vote for each match up or your vote will not count! The teams with the highest vote total at the end of the 20th day (Jan 3) will get a W while the other will get an L. (Equal votes will result in a tie.)

The battleground for this week is: The X-Mansion

Heroes of the New Age
Martian Manhunter
Juggernaut
Gorilla Grodd
Captain America
The Atom

VS.

The Deadly Dozen
Doomsday-Brainiac (DU)
Zoom (Blitz) (DU)
Magneto (Pre-Fatal Attractions) (MM)
The Ghost (MR)
Deadman (DR)

_______________________________

In Jesus' Name
Thanos
Stryfe
Mimic
Forge
Multiple Man

VS.

Everbody In The Case Mare
Wonder Woman
kayla
The Engineer
Deadpool
Jaine Cutter (DR)

[AnnoyingSilence]

In Jesus' NameIn Jesus' Name
Thanos (MU) - Mystic powers, telepathy, durability, strength, reflexes, stratigists... all on cosmic lvl
Stryfe (MU) - If Cable Burnt Offering was brute Strength and evil
Mimic (Exiles) (MM) - Leader of the Exiles copies powers and has Cyclops, Wolverines, Beasts, Northstars and Colossus' powers
Forge (Ultimates) (MR) - Can build things that he may not understand
Multiple Man (MR) - his dupes all have Jamies persona

VS.

Everbody In The Case Mare
Wonder Woman (DU)
Kayla (MU)
The Engineer (DM)
Deadpool (MR)
Jaine Cutter (DR)

preptime

They know everything about my team(except for Mimic)... My team know little about kayla and everything about deadpool


Mimic drops beasts power and picks up MM's(Thanos doesn't have to control any of it. i figured Mimic would definitely do it anyway)

preptime done...


(o. and everyone has telepathic protection)

[AnnoyingSilence]

battle
LV's team has no chance...
Wonder Woman isn't strong enough for thanos
and kayla isn't that familiar with her powers so she'll be very little help. it even says so in her powers/abilities (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ballank.htm)
no matter how smart she is, Engineer can't take on a bunch of Mimics
Jaine and Deadpool would literally kill forge and MM, but wouldn't have a chance against the rest

[LadyVader]

AS, you should really put a bit more effort into your write-up. I'm having interwebz problemz at home :( and I'm not going to get my internet until friday (IF the tech guys come around friday, cause I have a feeling they'll want to split early and won't get around to come to my house :()

But I AM going to put something up from work but I don't know how elaborated it will be so seriously now. This could be an easy win for you.If you put in a little effort. I mean come on... it's Deadpool! He's super fun to write

[XFanTim]

The Deadly Dozen
Doomsday-Brainiac (DU) -- super-strength/speed/durability, supergenius intellect, adaptation
Zoom (Blitz) (DU) -- time-based super-speed
Magneto (Pre-Fatal Attractions) (MM) -- controls metals and electromagnetism
Deadman (DR) -- invisible/intangible spirit that possesses the bodies of others
The Ghost (MR) -- invisibility, intangibility, high-tech weaponry, controls computers systems

vs.

Juggernaut (MU)
Martian Manhunter (DU)
Gorilla Grodd (DM)
Captain America (MR)
The Atom (DR)

**Overview**

Here's the short version of why my team would win:

All Nightwing's meds/regs match up poorly against Magneto
-- Magneto is telepathy resistant. He's resisted Xavier's uber level telepathy for an extended period, so Grodd's mid-level telepathy should be no big deal
- Magneto's forcefield can block a sustained blast from Cyclops, so he should be able to take a sustained pounding from Grodd without much trouble
- Cap's main weapon is a metal shield which Magneto can repel (he's done this when they've fought before)
- He should be able to repel the Atom with an electric field. Shrinking to atomic size won't block electromagnetic fields. In fact, electromagnetic fields are the main tool physicists use in controling and manipulating individual atoms -- as I know from my own thesis research.

I know some people don't like the idea of any version of Magneto as a med (although Wieg approved it so that's what counts.) But note that the main reasons Magneto has an edge here are good shields and psi resistance, neither of which consistute pushing him past medium. If anyone really thinks I pushed Magneto too far in my writeup, I'm prepared to pull out multiple examples of reg and mid level characters who've displayed similar feats and abilities.

The "Smarts" Factor
Of course, Captain America is a great combat leader and Grodd and the Atom are geniuses, so they may manage a few tricks despite being rather disadvantaged against Magneto. But I also have two very formidable regs in the Ghost and Deadman. Ghost and Magneto are both brilliant intellects as well, especially when it comes to utilizing a technology-heavy setting like this one. And in the ubers, I've got Brainiac.

Battlefield Knowledge
Magneto knows the Xavier mansion better than anyone else on the battlefield. He even led the New Mutants based out of the mansion when he temporarily reformed. So he's had time to study all the mansion's secrets. Juggernaut knows the mansion (wasn't it Xavier's family home? And Jugs is his step-brother). But he doesn't know about all the technology Xavier has added to the place, and how to use it. (Note that Nightwing's version of Juggernaut was from when he was still an X-Men foe -- from before he reformed and joined the team.)

Last but not least, the ubers
- Doomsday-Brainiac would kick the crap out of Martian Manhunter. He's already proven himself far superior when he battled the JLA.
- Of course, Nightwing probably wants to use Juggernaut to keep Doomsday occupied and use Martian Manhunter's telepathy to defeat Zoom. To combat this, I've figured out a way to (1) Keep Juggernaut out of the fight long enough for Doomsday to beat Martian Manhunter, and (2) Keep Zoom safe from Martian Manhunter until he goes down. To find out how I do this, you'll need to read my full writeup, below.
- Even when it does come to Doomsday vs. Juggernaut, Doomsday has a big advantage since he has at least Superman level speed, whereas Juggernaut doesn't have any super-speed that I know of (certainly not at Superman's level, anyway).

**Prep-Time**
The five chosen members of the Deadly Dozen find themselves in the X-Mansion. Even as the other members of the team take in their surroundings, Magneto springs into action -- magnetically tearing open the hallway wall and gripping a heavy-duty wire within. The mutant master of magnetism sends a massive surge of electricity down his arm and into the wires. Almost immediately, the lights above the team's heads flicker and cut out -- the whole mansion plunged into darkness.

"You've blacked out the whole building," says the Ghost. "Why?"

"I know this place," Magneto explains. "A school of sorts, for mutants -- super-powered beings like me. I was a teacher here, once."

"Then you know every resource the place has to offer," Zoom points out. "Why destroy our own weapons?"

"Because," Magneto explains, with a hint of irritation at being questioned, "these walls contain extensive files on me, my powers, and what my enemies perceive to be my weaknesses, as well as technology that can locate and track my movements, and perhaps all of yours as well. We cannot afford to let these fall into our enemies' hands."

"But," the mutant adds, "I've destroyed nothing. This was merely a controlled overload. I should be able to repair and reactivate those systems we wish to use -- once we are ready to take full control of them. And between Brainiac, the Ghost and myself, we should be more than capable of thwarting any efforts by our opponents to deprive us of that control. As for their database," he adds, glancing at the list of opponents that has appeared before them, "I suggest we destroy it. It will only contain significant information on the Juggernaut, and I'm already quite familiar with him."

"It seems this Juggernaut is but an alternate version of one I fought previously in this contest," Doomsday-Brainiac adds. "Only this one lacks telepathy, making him all the more easily beaten. Martian Manhunter I know from personal experience, and his power too is inferior to mine. He and the Atom are both famous in my world as members of the so-called 'Justice League.'"

"That leaves Captain America, with whom I have battled in the past," Magneto says. "He lacks power, but his resourcefulness is not to be underestimated. And lastly . . . "

"Grodd," Zoom says, his voice an angry hiss. "I have dealt with him before. In some ways, he made me the man I am today." [Author's Note: Hunter Zolomon was injured at the hands of Gorilla Grodd, starting him on the path to becoming Zoom.] "I will relish destroying him."

"Only if you survive not only his telepathy, but Martian Manhunter's as well," says the Ghost, glancing at the descriptions of their opponents. "I seem to recall that was something of a problem for you in the past." [Author's Note: Zoom fell pray to Exodus's telepathic power in my battle with Wiegeabo -- at least in Wieg's version, which got the most votes, so I'm treating it as definitive]

"Fortunately, our present location provides us with the answer," says Magneto. "There is a chamber hidden beneath the mansion . . . . But tell me, Zoom, how is your patience?"

"Horrible," Zoom answers succinctly.

"A pity then, that you have no choice," replies Magneto. "Not if you wish to win this battle. The best course is for you to lie in wait." Magneto explains his plan, and Zoom reluctantly agrees -- on the condition that his teammates save Grodd for him to finish.

With that settled, Magneto, whose superior knowledge of the battlefield make him the obvious leader for this match, moves on to the last order of business. "That leaves only one more question -- why have we been sent into battle with only four?"

"You haven't," says the Ghost, or rather Deadman speaking through the possessed form of the Ghost. He's seen enough to piece together the basics: this team has been pulled together from multiple worlds to face an opponent likewise assembled. He now explains his nature, and his teammates fill him in on the rest. He doesn't much care for the ruthless crew he's been surrounded with, but it's not as if he's been given the choice of standing on the sidelines. Deadman and the others reach an uneasy agreement -- he will help them win the battle, but will play no part in bringing about the deaths of any of their opponents.

And with that, the preparations begin in earnest . . . .

**Uber Battle Part 1**

"Be careful," Martian Manhunter warns, as he and the Juggernaut race through the halls of the X-Mansion. "I still haven't been able to pick up any telepathic trace of Zoom." [Author's note: This will be explained below -- in "Uber Battle Part 2"] Indeed, he hasn't been able to detect Deadman either, but this is not surprising if he's in spirit form. But the seeming invisibility of Zoom's mind is quite concerning. At least Magneto seemed to be making no effort to hide himself, and already Grodd and Captain America have engaged him. Meanwhile, Jonn and the Juggernaut are heading straight for the opposing teams biggest gun, the Brainiac-possessed Doomsday.

"The Ghost is nearby as well," Jonn adds. "Perhaps hoping to team with Doomsday against us. But he keeps darting through walls whenever we get near him."

"Bah, he's not the only one who can walk through walls," Cain scoffs. Any illusion that he was referring to Martian Manhunter's intangibility is quickly dashed, as the Juggernaut smashes right through a wall, bringing himself face to face with Doomsday. "I'll handle him," Cain says confidently, "you keep scanning for Zoom!"

"Juggernaut, look out!" the Martian yells, as the intangible form of the Ghost charges straight through Doomsday and through Juggernaut as well.

"Huh?" the Juggernaut grunts. Then he shrugs his colossal shoulders. "I don't know what the hell that was supposed to do," he declares, swinging a massive fist at Doomsday, "but it won't stop me from beating your bony -- wha?" Cain's most drops open in surprise, as his fist passes straight through Doomsday's face. "The bio didn't say you were intangible."

"Cain, your back," says the Martian Manhunter. For indeed the Ghost has planted a portable intangibility circuit in the middle of the Juggernaut's back, rendering him untouchable.

"Don't bother trying to remove it," the Ghost scoffs as Juggernaut tries to do exactly that. "It's phased on a slightly different frequency than you are -- your hand will pass through it just like you now pass through everything else. Only I can remove it."

"Then remove it," says Martian Manhunter, with his telepathic brain lending the command irrestible force. But as Ghost reaches to do just that, a huge grey hand wraps around his head . . . and crushes it into jelly.

"You killed your own teammate?" gasps Martian Manhunter, horrorstruck.

"A calculated sacrifice," says Brainiac coldly, "and one that is justified if it removes the Juggernaut from the battle." As Cain raises off in search of some way to remove the device, Martian Manhunter is left to face Doomsday-Brainiac alone. He knows he can't aford to hide behind his intangibility. The rules of this contest dictate that he must beat Doomsday before he can hope to help his weaker teammates, and it is not a challenge a hero such as he can shirk. Nor can he rely on his telepathy alone, as even if he were to succeed in removing Brainiac's mind, he'd still have to face this mindless engine of destruction in combat. He has only one option -- to do what seems impossible. He must defeat Doomsday in physical combat.

But as he stares down those bleak odds, one question knaws in the back of Jonn's mind... Where the hell is Zoom?

**Reg/Med battle**
Meanwhile, in the hangar of the X-Men's Blackbird jet . . .

"Is that your best?" Magneto scoffs, easily resisting a mind blast from the telepathic Gorilla Grodd. "If Charles couldn't beat me (http://img197.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maggoestelepathicallyagainstx1.jpg), do you really think I'd fall to an overgrown Gorilla?"

"Typical human arrogance," Grodd replies, leaping over a large chunk of metal debris Magneto had hurled at him and slamming the master of magnetism with a two-fisted strike. At the same time, Captain America slashes Magneto from behind with the edge of his unbreakable shield.

Magneto grunts, but his protective forcefield holds. A blast of Magnetic force hurls Cap's shield away, carrying the Avenger along with it. Magneto whirls back around to face Grodd, his face contorted with rage. "Don't call me human!" the mutant yells.

As Grodd raises his fist for another blow, Magneto vibrates the floor with a wave of magnetic force, throwing the Gorilla off balance. Before Grodd can recover, Magneto has torn two metal support beams from the walls, coiling them around Grodd's arms and hoisting him into the air. The mutant magnetically reinforces the metal so that even Grodd's fantastic strength is not enough to break free. (When Polaris was possessed by Malice, she used a similar trick to restrain Rogue.) Two more beams wrap around Gordd's legs, as Megneto prepares to tear the great ape limb from limb.

"Personally," says Captain America, "I think you ought to aspire to a bit more humanity."

"Do you aspire to be a worm, Captain?" Magneto sneers. "Do you long to attain the virtues of the humble cockroach? For I am as far beyond you as you are beyond mindless vermin!" As he speaks, Magneto tears up tiny pieces of metal from all around the hangar and hurls them at Captain America with the speed of bullets. But with astonishing speed and agility, the star-spangled Avenger dodges, and what he cannot evade he deflects with his unbreakable shield.

"Your shield is a truly remarkable alloy," Magneto admits. "A pity that it can only protect you from one direction at a time." Tapping into the Blackbird's electronic weapons system, Magneto locks two small homing missles onto Captain America and fires them both simultaneously. A magnetic shove sends one missle on a wide arc towards the Avenger's back, while the other charges him head on. "You'd be surprised what one man can do!" the Captain declares, and as he speaks he moves, leaping directly over the oncoming missle and knocking it to the floor with his shield. The missle explodes as Cap tucks into a ball and lets his shield absorb the blast, the force of it sending him somersaulting right over Magneto's head. The second missle, still locked on to Cap, slams right into Magneto's forcefield.

But as the fire and smoke clears, Magneto still stands, albeit looking somewhat stunned. This time he wastes no time with words, preparing to stike down his foe with all of his magnetic might. And surprisingly, Captain America makes no effort to dodge, instead simply standing in place and speaking in a voice that sounds strangely unlike his own. "Finally!"

"I thought I'd never get ahold of him," Deadman continues, for indeed it is he speaking through the now possessed form of Captain America. "Never have I faced a will so formidable. But finally his resistance melted away, almost as if -- no, wait, it's a --" but the word "trap" catches in his throat, as the Atom enlarges himself from microscopic size just large enough to block Captain America's airway. Cap falls to the ground, unconscious, with Deadman still trapped inside his mind.

"You should have stayed hidden," Magneto says, sucking the Atom out of Cap's body with a powerful electric field. The Atom tries to escape by shrinking out of sight, but Magneto bends magnetic fields around him to create a magnetic atom trap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_trap_%28atoms%29) from which the hero cannot escape. The Atom reverses strategies, now trying to rapidly enlarge to break Magneto's hold on him, but a burst of electricity shocks him into unconsciousness.

"The advantage of aligning oneself with heroes," Gorilla Grodd muses, having torn free of his bonds while Magneto was preoccupied, "is that they're all too willing to sacrifice themselves for the so-called 'greater good'." With that, he takes a pair of electrical cables, ripped from the hangar wall, and tosses them straight at Magneto.

"You seek to defeat the Master of Electro-Magnetism with electricity?" Magneto laughs, incredulous. A moment later, he notices the hole Grodd has smashed in the Blackbird's fuel tank, and the puddle of gasoline that now extends all the way to his feet. A moment too late. The sparking wires hit the gas, and as William Shakespeare might once have said, "KA-BLAMMO!"

Continued Below (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13641939&postcount=17)

[AnnoyingSilence]

AS, you should really put a bit more effort into your write-up. I'm having interwebz problemz at home :( and I'm not going to get my internet until friday (IF the tech guys come around friday, cause I have a feeling they'll want to split early and won't get around to come to my house :()

But I AM going to put something up from work but I don't know how elaborated it will be so seriously now. This could be an easy win for you.If you put in a little effort. I mean come on... it's Deadpool! He's super fun to writeonly if you do commentary

[LadyVader]

there's nothing much to comment on right now but if you do a more elaborated write-up you bet your heiny we'll debate it. :)

[XFanTim]

I think AS was trying to say Deadpool is only fun to write if he writes dialogue . . . but I might be misunderstanding.

[AnnoyingSilence]

thats exactly what i'm sayin.

deadpool is a VERY fun character to toy with and would definitely make my 5 DAYS that it would take to write him, but i think that that much time(the time that it would take to write him) would take up all other time that i might and/or might not have time to make time to deal with, when you have a character as highly in the commentary bubbles as one such as deadpool, who would never give up talking, unless he killed everyone on the field(including or discluding his team).

[AnnoyingSilence]

and that. is something that deadpool would do in the middle of battle(the length of the last post being the subject)

[LadyVader]

Prep time


In Jesus' Name
Thanos
Stryfe
Mimic
Forge
Multiple Man

VS.

Everbody In The Case Mare
Wonder Woman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman)
Kayla Ballantine (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ballank.htm)
The Engineer (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ballank.htm)
Deadpool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadpool_(comics))
Jaine Cutter (DR)
(http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/jainec.htm)
Scott Summer and Emma Frost's shared bedroom was quiet and still in the darkness of the night, with only the moon's rays coming in through the large windows to dimly light the furniture. With a faint pop, Deadpool, the talkative hired assasin, teleported into the room. He soaked in the aromas and then headed for the boudoir. He used the brush to go through his non existent hair and used the mascara on his non existent eye lashes.
He then opened the drawers and picked up a couple of pairs of underwear, he lifted his mask and inhaled deeply. Upon further rummaging he discovered an interesting looking device.
- Oh, I envy you more then any other electronic device in existance, said Deadpool holding the vibrator close to his non existant heart.
A spatial rift opened under him and Deadpool fell through the floors until he reached the control room of the Danger room, where the rest of his team was gathered. The Engineer hovered above him, waving a silvery finger:
- We're not here for you to indulge in your sick voyeuristic tendencies! Angie shouted.
- Don't make me smack you with this Angie, you know I'll do it! Wave threatened.
- Gimme that!
- Hey, get your own pleasure stick!
- Stop it! Wonder Woman shouted. Why do you always do this Wade? Why do I always have to reprimand you? You may not care about yourself but I do. I care about each and every one of you and everytime I have to go into battle against incredible odds and each time you have to make a mockery of everything! Why?
Wonder Woman looked truly pissed. Deadpool wanted to make a comment about looking beautiful when she's pissed, but a tiny little voice inside his head that he seldom heard told him this would be the time to shut up. So he did. Instead he stuff the vibrator in his utility belt and pretended to listen to everything that followed.
The facts are these:
All of their oponents were known to them
Engineer easily took control of the Mansion's computer system and locked Forge out of it.
Using Kayla's limitless energy source and the tools she had in the Danger Room along with her own tools Angie was able to construct inhibitor collars. Given that 80% of the opposing team was made up of mutants, she figured they'd come in handy. All her teammates had to do was find ways of putting them on their oponents.
Wonder Woman was to keep Thanos busy until everybody else in the Casa Mare could come to her aid.

[Nightwing.]

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Heroes of the New Age (Owner: Nightwing)

Martian Manhunter (DU)
Juggernaut (MU)
Gorilla Grodd (DM)
Captain America (MR)
The Atom (DR)

Vs

The Deadly Dozen (Owner: XFanTim)

Doomsday-Brainiac (DU)
Zoom (Blitz) (DU)
Magneto (Pre-Fatal Attractions) (MM)
The Ghost (MR)
Deadman (DR)

Prep-time

Location – X-Mansion

The immediate absence of Batman is noted by all as they port into a hallway of a very posh looking building. Both Steve and Cain recognise their surroundings. Cain clenches his fists, anger building up inside him. Steve being fully aware of Cain’s history with his brother immediately steps in.

Steve – ‘Easy Cain…I don’t think Xavier’s here…don’t do anything rash. We don’t want you smashing up the place, we could use it to our advantage.’

Cain growled under his breath. There was reason in Steve’s advice. Cain backed down and kept quiet.



Doomsday-Brainiac - super strength/speed/durability/intelligence
Zoom (Blitz) – Flash level speed
Magneto (Pre-Fatal Attractions) - controls metals and electromagnetism
Deadman – Can take control of bodies and has access to their full powers and abilities. Cannot be detected until he inhabits a host.
The Ghost (MR) -- invisibility, intangibility, high-tech weaponry

You weren’t chosen by me this time. Your opponent selected you whilst I selected who I felt you could perform well against. Don’t disappoint me.

J’onn – ‘I know 3 of our opponents. Two of which are formidable foes. Doomsday alone is incredibly ruthless and was responsible for the defeat of Superman, with Brainiac’s control there is no limit to his power. Brainiac is an incredibly high level intellect and will be a difficult foe. Once the link is broken between the two Doomsday will be easier to take out. His primal animal instincts should be easy enough to use against him.

Grodd – ‘Zoom is mine. I have faced Flash and should be able to handle this one.’

J’onn – ‘We will have to deal with Deadman as and when we discover who he has taken control of.’

Steve – ‘Magneto will be a problem. He has the ability to control a great deal more than just metal. He has been taken down before by telepathic attacks on his mind but his will power and resistance is so great it will take a great deal to take him out. Ghost we will have to tackle as and when we face him.’

Ray and J’onn head down to the basement in search of things they can use in their own battles. They come across a sealed door. Atom shrinks to microscopic levels and climbs through the minute gaps below while J’onn phases through. In here they find Cerebro. J’onn places the helmet on and concentrates his powers on the location of his opponents. Nothing.

J’onn – ‘They must not be here yet or forces beyond our control are hiding them from any methods. This Cerebro is an amazing device though. It takes all my power and focuses it expanding it on a level beyond my own. I can see any mind through the device.’

Ray – ‘Interesting. This could be the tool we’re looking for to try and sever the link between Brainiac and Doomsday.’

J’onn – ‘That’s exactly what I was thinking. Although I think it would be easier if I could see Doomsday as I use the device. We will need to lure him here and keep him at bay at the same time.’

Ray – ‘You have a plan don’t you?’

J’onn grins and nods.

They make their way into Forge’s lab…

* * * * * * * *

On the top floor of the mansion Steve walks amongst the rooms. Everyone littered with Christmas decorations and presents. He looks at his reflection in a mirror, another Christmas has arrived. His mind wanders back to the war. He remembers Christmas with his wife, with his old pal Bucky. The sacrifice he made for his country…he would’ve been happy with losing his life…but to miss so much and have his loved ones die around him and he physically hadn’t aged. If this is what immortality felt like he was grateful in that sense that he didn’t have it.

Ray – ‘Steve. You ok?’

Steve – ‘Yeah. We ready to go?’

Ray – ‘Almost’

* * * * * * * *

Grodd clambers over the bars and rings suspended from Hanks ceiling. He flicks through the books, Freud, Darwin all brilliant theories all humans. He threw them to the floor disgusted. He sees two photos, Hank as a human and Hank in his animal state.

Grodd – ‘Hmm’ he throws the first to the floor ‘Not as grotesque. Perhaps there’s hope for these humans after all.’

He drops to his feet and heads to the entrance way. J’onn mind links with him and asks for his assistance in the lab. When Grodd arrives he, J’onn and Ray use their skills and knowledge found around the mansion to create some sort of device capable of suppressing the mutant gene. After a few hours they feel they have a device capable of taking out Magneto.

* * * * * * * *

Cain makes his way to the back office. Removing his helmet and placing it down he looks around the room. The marble bust of his brother looming in a corner. Looking at him, he looking back. Anger takes over him again, he smashes the bust and starts to work on the rest of the room. The desk, books, a globe…it all crumbles beneath his hands…

And its now when it starts…

To Be Continued…

[Nightwing.]

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Heroes of the New Age (Owner: Nightwing)

Martian Manhunter (DU)
Juggernaut (MU)
Gorilla Grodd (DM)
Captain America (MR)
The Atom (DR)

Vs

The Deadly Dozen (Owner: XFanTim)

Doomsday-Brainiac (DU)
Zoom (Blitz) (DU)
Magneto (Pre-Fatal Attractions) (MM)
The Ghost (MR)
Deadman (DR)

Battles

Location – X-Mansion

Juggernaut and Martian Manhunter Vs Doomsday-Brainiac

As Cain smashes up the room he hears a voice in his head.

Xavier – ‘Cain…You need to stop this…You need to let go’

Cain – ‘Get out of my head Charles…You don’t have any right in there.’

Cain runs through the wall and out into the corridor. He sees Charles stood at the opposite end of the building. He steps into the elevator and makes his way down to the basement. Cain follows. He sees Charles stood at the doors of Cerebro

Xavier – ‘Cain we can stop this together. We can help you together.’

Cain – ‘I don’t need your help Charles. Infact it’s you that needs help.’

Cain lunges forward only for his hands to pass right through his brother’s body.’

J’onn in his now tangible form rises to the floor above to find Doomsday. He knows Brainiac will be aware of all possible out comes of the battle. But he will struggle to suspect one of his own team mates. The real Ghost phases through the roof Martian Manhunter in form of Ghost he appears in front of D/B mere seconds afterwards.

Ghost – ‘The big red is downstairs. I can’t tackle him on my own’

Brainiac – ‘Very good. We shall take care of him.’

Doomsday jumps into the corridor and smashes down into the basement. Brainiac sees the Juggernaut. Cain turns to see Doomsday. The feral beast screams as he launches towards Marko. Both charge at each other. Arms outstretched, Marko grabs Doomsdays shoulders. The beast struggles and manages to remove his grip. A blow is slammed into Cain’s unprotected face. The claws and bones slam against each other but Juggernaut remains upright. An ongoing battle ensues between the two as the whole structure of the building is rocked.

Gorilla Grodd Vs Zoom (Blitz)

Grodd hangs from the chandelier in the main hall, focusing on his next attack. Using his telepathy he is quickly able to locate Zoom’s trajectory. The speedster dots around the mansion, his own orders given by Brainiac. Grodd drops and mind blasts Zoom. Zoom reacts with his speed and smacks Grodd in the face then steps over him.

Grodd – ‘Ah Zolomon. I’ve been meaning to catch up with you. How’s the Flash these days? Taking your advice is he?’

Zoom – ‘Grodd…I know all about your mind games. I’ve been well versed by Brainiac. I’ve also managed to keep my mind’s speed above your own so your telepathy won’t work either. I can think faster than you can.’

Grodd – ‘Such intuitiveness for a human. I’m intrigued. Tell me have you ever considered going back in time and stopping me breaking your spine? Or even stopping me from inheriting this wonderful ability that I possess?’

Zoom – ‘Grodd that won’t work. Im not falling for your tricks. You think you can distract me enough to catch me off guard…well it won’t work.’

Grodd – ‘Clearly you are the faster thinker. How foolish of me to ever try and trick a genius human like yourself’ The tone of sarcasm is subtle but Zoom still detects it. He makes a move and launches himself at Grodd. Grodd seeing this attack tries to leap out of the way but it’s useless. He is thrown head first into a nearby wall. The thick mahogany splinters like balsa wood under the creatures weight.

Grodd rises to his feet as Zoom spins around the room creating a vortex and whipping Grodd into all the walls of the corridor.

Grodd – ‘Very good Hunter, very good. I see your mind is focused on the task at hand. It’s a shame I have to defeat you because together we could defeat Flash.’

Zoom – ‘I can take care of Flash myself. And you won’t be taking me out, not today.’

Grodd – ‘Really?’ Grodd focuses his mind not on Zoom’s conscious brain matter but on the dormant part. He triggers the memories of the last time they met. The feeling of his spine cracking, the agonising ordeal of losing his legs. The memories all come flooding back as though it were happening again. Grodd leaps for Zoom.

Zoom takes control of his own mind and jumps out of reach. He begins a massive attack launching himself around the world to build enough momentum for each strike. The gorillas body takes a huge beating as each punch is released as Zoom hits England. The speed at which he moves is intense, Grodd’s eyes struggle to keep up with both the blur and the fist that hit him. As Zoom continues to run, his anger builds and so does his speed. A speed window is ripped open by Zoom as he races across the mansion gardens for the 12th time. He strikes Grodd to the ground and stops to catch his breath.

Grodd lays on the ground half beaten to death, yet all he can do is laugh.

Grodd – ‘You know you should’ve listened to Brainiac.’ As Zoom had focused all his energy and thought on what he was doing and what Grodd had done, he had lowered his only real defence against Grodd. His mind was wide open to attack. Grodd hurled a powerful mind blast at Zoom knocking him to his feet. Grodd rises to his and shuffles across the floor. He picks Zoom up and holds him above his head, he is about to bring him down onto his knee, breaking his back again when a thought comes into his head.

Grodd – ‘No I won’t give you the satisfaction of reliving that nightmare just once again’

He hurls Zoom into the speed window.

Grodd – ‘Instead you can relive it over and over.’ Zoom stands in his own past reliving the pain of Grodd’s attack. He watches it over and over, trapped. Zoom is out and Grodd makes his way back into the mansion.

Juggernaut and Martian Manhunter vs. Doomsday-Brainiac (Part 2)

The two giants tussle and roll across the floor. The beast screaming as he tries to rip chunks out of Cain. J’onn phases into Cerebro and begins to locate Brainiac’s mind.

The doors open and Doomsday, currently in the process of slamming Marko’s head into the floor, notices his enemy

Brainiac – ‘The Martian…So you were implanting a trap. Do you honestly expect to take us down with Cerebro? That’s right. Magneto told us all about the device he and Xavier built.’

J’onn focuses on the mind of the beast. While Brainiac’s mind is complex and hard to over come, Doomsday’s is simple and easier to target. Focusing his telepathy he begins to unlocks the bridges that join the two minds.

Brainiac – ‘What are you doing? Don’t you realise if you sever the links he will kill you all? I’m only just keeping his mind at bay. He’s an animal and will stop at nothing. You have witnessed this first hand.’

This doesn’t deter J’onn. He continues to attack the beasts mind. As more links undo Doomsday begins to gain more control over himself. His posture changes. He hunches over more like an ape than man, his thirst for blood and death begins to kick in. Before long Brainiac’s hold has dropped. Brainiac the whole time tries to hold the links but its too late. The feral beast holds his hands in the air and lets out an almighty scream.

J’onn – ‘So it begins.’ J’onn shape shifts to increase his size as Doomsday lunges. The two tussle with Doomsday over powering the Martian. Juggernaut rises to his feet and runs towards Doomsday. Grabbing him by the skull he drags him out of the Cerebro Chamber continues to pound his fist into the bony, spiky face of Doomsday.

J’onn – ‘Is there anywhere we can seal him?’

Juggernaut – ‘Yeah there’s the…’ Doomsday grabs Juggernauts throat and holds him up. Juggernaut brings his arms down on Doomsdays wrist and snaps it, whilst J’onn burns heat vision into his spine. ‘There’s the danger room. Rolling holograms. The times I been hauled up in there.’

J’onn – ‘Then we need to get him in there. His animal instincts are intelligent enough to let him figure out what’s illusion and what isn’t.’

The two wrestle with Doomsday, J’onn suffers more damage than the other two and tries to use his speed more to his advantage.

They finally get him over the doorway of the danger room. J’onn phases to the controls as Juggernaut holds Doomsday in a head lock. Doomsday bites into Juggernauts arm trying to release his grip. Cain flexes his biceps and cracks Doomsday’s jaw. He pushes it back into place before being kick full force into the now open, danger room.

The door closes as J’onn programs holographic projections of Juggernaut and the X-men. Doomsday unaware of what is real and what isn’t begins to fight with them all taking him out of the fight.

Captain America and Atom vs. Deadman and Ghost

The regulars run into each other in the upstairs of the mansion. Initially the only one who can be seen is Captain America. Ghost makes himself known and Deadman inhabits Atom. Growing to his normal size Ray turns towards Steve. He lunges and a little caught of guard to begin with, Rogers takes a punch to the face but not long before seeing what has happened. He spins and smashes Ray clean in the face taking out Atom and Deadman from the fight.

As he reaches a full 360 degrees he releases his shield at Ghost. It hurtles towards him only to pass through. As it does Ghost becomes tangible and quickly plants a device on the shield. Still on its trajectory it phases through all the walls and out of the building. Steve seeing this runs towards Ghost. Executing a perfectly timed flying kick he aims straight at his head only to miss. Again with precision timing Ghost grabs Steve’s foot and flips onto the floor. Captain America lays on the floor as Ghost attaches a small device similar to the one placed on his shield. As he does, Steve punches the central plate of Ghost suit. With the added strength of his super soldier serum he manages to cause damage yet to be detected by Ghost. Steve begins to fall through the floor of the mansion and continues straight down. Ghost turns intangible makes his way towards the basement. Unable to rectify the error in his circuitry Ghost finds himself solidifying in the Danger Room. Doomsday still on his destructive warpath of fighting the hard light copies reaches for Ghost and smashes his skull open against the wall.

Martian Manhunter, Juggernaut and Gorilla Grodd vs. Magneto

Within seconds of Doomsday’s capture the walls of the Cerebro chamber begin to grind and moan as the metal is manipulated. Magneto blasts a whole through the roof as he sends chunks of metal towards J’onn and Cain. J’onn phases to allow the metal to pass whereas Cain just stands it out.

Eric floats down to face his opponents.

Cain – ‘Magneto…was wondering when you were gonna arrive’

Magneto hurls another wave metal spikes, this time Grodd, who has just arrived, is impaled in the arm with one. He screams out in pain as he pulls it out. He runs towards Magneto and leaps. Hitting both Eric’s shield and a wall of metal debris. Using an electromagnetic field he launches Grodd back. Grodd tries again…

J’onn – ‘Grodd wait…’

J’onn tries to stop him but Eric has already redirected his attack and thrown Grodd into the Cerebro chamber. The door slams shut and the sound of grinding metal and ape cries can be heard.

J’onn flies towards Eric as Juggernaut slams his fist hard into the floor. A tremor of metal and plastic rolls towards Eric only to be redirected. J’onn phases through it as Juggernaut runs into it. His run continues as Magneto hovers above the ground. Cain begins to hammer at the shield protecting his former leader, J’onn opts to work in another way. He phases through the impenetrable shield and wraps his now snake like body around Eric. Whilst crushing on his body he begins to assault his mind with telepathy.

Eric – ‘You’ll…never…get…in’

J’onn continues, not letting his guard down, Cain continues to try and break his shield. J’onn admires the willpower of this man. He is being assault both through mind and body and yet his defences do not falter once. Cain finally makes his way through the shield, not through brute strength but purely on the grounds of Magneto’s loss of consciousness.

J’onn – ‘Incredible…his mind remained intact through the whole attack. If he hadn’t lost breath I fear we might not have defeated him. An incredibly powerful man…’

Heroes Of The New Age are victorious…

[XFanTim]

I should have my writeup up sometime tomorrow. I've written more than half, but since I'm writing it out of order I'm not going to post until it's all done.

[AnnoyingSilence]

sitting here waiting on my dad.... so i'll push out a little story

[AnnoyingSilence]

as always, my team materializes outside the building(thanos sees this team advantage being in wide-open spaces) becuase of the sheer numbers this team has(also, EVERYBODY likes to take control of any complexs defenses, which thanos antisipates)

Wonder Woman isn't strong enough for thanos
and kayla isn't that familiar with her powers so she'll be very little help. it even says so in her powers/abilities (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ballank.htm)
no matter how smart she is, Engineer can't take on a bunch of Mimics
Jaine and Deadpool would literally kill forge and MM, but wouldn't have a chance against the rest

[XFanTim]

Continued from above (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13569553&postcount=5)

**Uber Battle Part 2**

Meanwhile, Zoom waits ever so impatiently in the Z'Nox chamber. This is a completely telepathy-proof chamber which Xavier built to hide out in while planning for an invasion by the alien Z'Nox. Few know of its existence, but as a former headmaster of Xavier's school, Magneto is one who does. At last, the door is wrenched open.

Instantly, Zoom's eyes take in the sight of Doomsday-Brainiac, with the green goo dripping from his bony spikes the only remnant of the heroic Martian Manhunter. "Your turn," Brainiac says, but Zoom is already off.

Zoom sprints towards Grodd, ready to blindside the great Gorilla before he knows what's coming, but at the last nanosecond he feels an overwhelming urge not to attack. He's come to know this feeling as part of this competition. Damn, Zoom thinks, Juggernaut must not be as out of commision as we thought. Meaning I can't attack Grodd unless he attacks me.

So instead, Zoom changes tactics, zipping around Grodd in circles and taunting him from all directions at once. "Remember me, Grodd?" he asks. "You broke me. Crippled me. Left me for dead. I'm here now . . . to thank you. You made me stronger. Now it's time for me to return the favor."

"Prattling human," Grodd scoffs. "You can't touch me."

"Oh no, Grodd, it is you who can't touch me. Not with your slow, clumsy body. But perhaps, with your mind." As he speaks, Zoom speeds up and slows down his progression through time, making his thoughts change pace in a way that makes them hard for the telepath to latch hold of. "You have no choice but to face me," Zoom adds. "Only you and Juggernaut left, and he'll never catch me. Tell me, how fast can you think? Faster than I can leave you broken, like you broke me?"

Zoom is right of course -- Grodd must defeat him if he's to win this fight. Resigned to this reality, the ape fires a telepathic blast, but Zoom moves a million times faster than thought. Even as the pain of the blast starts to burn his brain, his arm thrusts forward, and a razor sharp blade -- forged by magneto himself -- slashes Grodd's spinal cord. The Gorilla's concentration instantly shattered, the mind-blast fizzles, and the great ape falls to the ground.

Zoom isn't satisfied. Running at full speed, even the weight of the now-paralyzed Grodd can barely slow him, as he drags the ape's body all the way to the Z'Nox chamber and tosses it inside. "You left me unable to walk, I leave you unable to move, and unable to even touch the minds of others. I grew stronger from the experience, Grodd -- will you?" Zoom's final words penetrate the chamber just before the door slams shut. "You're welcome."

***

Meanwhile, Juggernaut and Doomsday's battle threatens to bring down the Xavier Mansion around them. Each rains down super-strong punches on the other, with neithers industructible body giving an inch. Zoom runs to Doomsday's side and queries his teammate. "How did he manage to escape the Ghost's device?"

"Raced into the mansions central power core," Brainiac answers. "The electrical energies must have overloaded it. Are you ready to end this?"

"Absolutely," answers Zoom.

With his superior speed, Doomsday ducks under a blow from the Juggernaut, catching Cain's arm and spinning around at high speed. The Juggernaut is sent flying like a shot put -- but on a trajectory precisely calculated by Brainiac's superior intellect. He lands in the middle of the X-Men's "Danger Room."

Before he can even get his bearings, Cain finds himself floating in mid-air. Zoom had outraced him to the room, and called up a program Magneto had shown him in the X-Men's simulation library (the one part of the X-Men's files Magneto had resisted purging). A zero-gravity training program. The mighty Juggernaut is left floating helplessly in the middle of a massive empty room.

And with Juggernaut immobilized, Gorilla Grodd paralyzed and locked away in the Z'Nox chamber, Martian Manhunter dead (or nearly so) and the Atom and Captain America unconscious, there can be only one conclusion . . .

The Deadly Dozen Win

[XFanTim]

Battle is up, in two parts.

Sorry it's a bit long this week. These characters just really seemed to cry out for some dialogue. :)

[Nightwing.]

Ok a few points in regards to mine..

After the long debate of how to get through Magnetos shield and no doubt Tim expected me to use telepathy as a means to bring him down I opted on using J'onn phase through the shield (which wouldnt be stoppable) and then once inside it just squeeze Eric into unconsciousness.

Secondly Doomsday is not the brightest crayon in the box and therefore once his link from Brainiac is severed then he is niave and a killing machine therefore if trapped in the danger room with hard light images he would be occupied for ever if the enemies in there never died etc.

Thirdly you're probably wondering where Xavier came from....its just J'onn having shape shifted to try and lure Cain to the basement as it is the strongest part of the construct and a safer place for him to battle Doomsday, who again J'onn using shape shifting in the guise of Ghost, lured down to the basement.

As for all my other strategies.....well they suck and this is by far my worst write up ever....ok so i enjoyed writing it and atleast i made an appearance but you all suck if you vote for me cos the strategies are cheap and so out of comic book law it makes me laugh....

Merry Christmas Everyone

[Aristotle]

I wish you hadn't said that, Nightwing. I was planning to vote for you.

[Nightwing.]

Ha ha if people want to vote how they want then thats fine...you're not losers.I just am not very confident this week purely on the efforts I have just re-read in my own write up.

[XFanTim]

A Few Brief Comments

I was going to object to your inventing the mutant gene supressing tech in your prep-time. A bunch of admittedly smart guys with no knowledge of the mutant gene inventing a mutant-depowering serum in 24 hours? I doubt even mutant experts like Xavier and the Beast could do it that quick.

But then you didn't seem to use it in the battle, instead having Martian Manhunter squeeze Magneto into unconsciousness. I don't really have a problem with your ubers beating Magneto (although I think with the strategies I came up with your ubers would never get the chance). What I do object to is that Magneto seemingly did nothing until your team was ready to gang up on him. He knows the battlefield better than anyone, and he matches up best against your low level guys -- he shouldn't be standing on the sidelines while they pick off my regs.

The other thing is your use of the mansion's tech against me (danger room, etc.) I know your team has some geniuses in the Atom and Grodd, but I've got a genius who controls electronics and who knows the X-Men's tech inside and out: Magneto. I've also got the Ghost, who's an expert on hacking and controlling computer systems, and I've got Brainiac. So if anyone is going to be in control of the danger room and other tech, it would be my team. And anything we can't take control of Magneto would be able to just fry with an electromagnetic pulse. He's not going to leave an asset like the danger room operational if my team isn't in control of it.

[XFanTim]

Ari though will probably vote against me no matter what I do because he seemingly thinks Zoom is the weakest character in all of comics. Look, I didn't even choose him this week.

Hopefully I can convince some people though.

[Nightwing.]

A Few Brief Comments

I was going to object to your inventing the mutant gene supressing tech in your prep-time. A bunch of admittedly smart guys with no knowledge of the mutant gene inventing a mutant-depowering serum in 24 hours? I doubt even mutant experts like Xavier and the Beast could do it that quick.

But then you didn't seem to use it in the battle, instead having Martian Manhunter squeeze Magneto into unconsciousness. I don't really have a problem with your ubers beating Magneto (although I think with the strategies I came up with your ubers would never get the chance). What I do object to is that Magneto seemingly did nothing until your team was ready to gang up on him. He knows the battlefield better than anyone, and he matches up best against your low level guys -- he shouldn't be standing on the sidelines while they pick off my regs.

The other thing is your use of the mansion's tech against me (danger room, etc.) I know your team has some geniuses in the Atom and Grodd, but I've got a genius who controls electronics and who knows the X-Men's tech inside and out: Magneto. I've also got the Ghost, who's an expert on hacking and controlling computer systems, and I've got Brainiac. So if anyone is going to be in control of the danger room and other tech, it would be my team. And anything we can't take control of Magneto would be able to just fry with an electromagnetic pulse. He's not going to leave an asset like the danger room operational if my team isn't in control of it.

oh yeah i forgot about the technology from my prep time ha ha...

and as for the tech thing....im not gonna have your team have a full advantage of the entire battle field....

also the way i wrote it was as if all battles were on going at the same time...so whilst doomsday and jugs/mm fought, grodd was fighting zoom and ghost and deadman were fighting cap and atom.then mags comes in within seconds of MM and jugs containing doomsday....the ubers battles in my head were over in a matter of just a few minutes...so mags wouldve arrived there just at the right time as he normally wouldve and wouldnt just be hanging around waiting....

but other than that i aint gonna debate anything cos ive nothing to disagree with...i just had fun writing it...with the exception of my regs battle....that sucked monkey butt....

[Aristotle]

Ari though will probably vote against me no matter what I do because he seemingly thinks Zoom is the weakest character in all of comics. Look, I didn't even choose him this week.Oh who can't leave hte past behind now, Tim? My opinion of Zoom, as I have stated over and over again, is that he is quite powerful, but he always loses, in the comics, because he doesn't really know how to use his powers with any level of finesse--look how long it took him to figure out how to PHASE, for Chrissake! That's not a Speed Force trick, that's just a superspeed trick.

What follows is blacked-out, because it involves me discussing the battle before voting is open. This is for XFanTim. Everyone else, don't ****in' read it.

Regardless, my opinion of Zoom isn't what had me in favor of Nightwing. I like his way of taking out Doomsday/Brainiac, who would have been the real decisive factor in your favor. Furthermore, Juggernaut is maybe the only Earthling from the Marvel universe that I would give odds to against Doomsday. With Brainiac's connection severed, Juggernaut and J'onn could lure a mindless beast like Doomsday into the Danger Room fairly easily. After that, I'm afraid I just don't see the rest of your team winning out. This is one of those battles that hinges on one uber fight, and J'onn and Juggernaut vs. Doomsday/Brainiac is that hinge.

[Aristotle]

Ha ha if people want to vote how they want then thats fine...you're not losers.I just am not very confident this week purely on the efforts I have just re-read in my own write up.It wasn't the loser part, it's that you conceded the battle. My vote will almost certainly be the only one cast for you now.

[DTL Commish]

Voting may now begin.

[LadyVader]

Battle

I will now elaborate some points made in the prep-time. First thing's first, Engineer and Kayla Ballantine will work very close together in this match because Engineer has the technology to allow a mindlink with Kayla and to guide her in using the Star Brand. Engineer is used to dealing with very powerful sources of energy/sentient artifacts, since she's usually driving the Carrier who is in itself amazingly powerful.

Engineer also took control of the computer system in the mansion, created a mind link between all her team mates with the use of radio-telepathy (excluding Deadpool) and inflitrated her nanites into the Danger Room which will be important later on.

Anyway, one of my main strategies in this match is the use of inhibitor collars. That is because 4 of AS's characters are mutants and as such, there is a very easy way to counteract their powers through technology and since I have an expert technician inventor on the team and a superb source of energy it would be foolish not to take advantage of this weakness.

Multiple Man vs Jaine Cutter

"Well hello there. A KISS groupie I gather?"
"Coming from an obvious ex-boy band member such as yourself, that's a compliment"
"Ouch. Ok, so maybe a few people back in the day said I remind them of Justin Timberlake, that doesn't mean anything. It's not like I can hit 3 octaves or anything."
"Not yet anyway. Come closer and I'll fix that for you."
"No thank you. Any chance we can settle this amicabally"
"Sure."
"really?"
Jaine lunges forward.
"No"
Now as AS himself has stated, there's little Madrox can do against Jaine since his dupes would easily fall pray to her claws. What she can do to stop him from creating dupes is put a collar on him.

For this she needs to know which one is the original. Engineer in prep time created some device that spread low level radiation throughout the house. After a quick scan she can see which one of the Madrox bodies has absorbed MORE radiation and therefore which one is the original.

She communicates this to Jaine telepathically. Now what would happen if Madrox's powers were neutralized? I'm sure that either a) his dupes disappear or b) his dupes lose the power to create other dupes.

There IS a connection between Madrox and his dupes and since his dupes are always absorbed into him and not the other way around it is only logical to assume that he is the source of their powers and once he is neutralized, they are all neutralized. So all that is left for Jaine to do once she gets close enough to the real Madrox to put the collar on is pick off the rest of the dupes.

Deadpool vs Forge
It is very possible that Forge built something to scramble Deadpool's image inducer, so that the merc would not sneak up on him. It is also possible That Forge put up a good fight against Deadpool up until he got in a few lucky shots.

That's when Deadpool would activate his teleporter and Forge would think that Wade is trying to escape when in fact his teleporter had been merged with the inhibitor collar technology into one device which when activated it instanteneously teleports onto Forge's neck, thereby cancelling his powers and making him an easy target.

Stryfe vs Kayla Ballantine /w Engineer coaching
What we have here is a basic psionic power vs cosmic power type struggle. The Star Brand gives it's source potentially infinite cosmic powers. With Engineer's help, Kayla coult tap into those amazing powers and last time cosmic powers went up against psionic powers (namely Silver Surfer vs Cable in Cable/Deadpool) cosmic powers won!

To be continued

[XFanTim]

Yeah, maybe I should get over the Zoom thing. But regarding phasing through things, I'm not really sure why any superfast person should be able to phase. Flash does it by "vibrating his molecules" or some such gibberish -- I'm not really sure why Zoom would be able to vibrate his molecules through things just because he's moving fast.

EDIT: I guess if you see it as him just shaking himself back and forth really fast then Zoom could do it . . . I always thought it was Flash using the Speedforce to pump extra kinetic energy into his molecules ("exciting their vibrational modes", in physics-speak).

[XFanTim]

Getting back to the battle at hand, I'm not going to argue too much since Nightwing didn't seem really into it, but I'd like to at least re-emphasize my point about the Danger Room, especially since Nightwing used it in his takedown of both Doomsday and Ghost:

Even if my team couldn't take control of the Danger Room (which with the combined resources of Magneto, Brainiac, and the Ghost I think they could) why wouldn't they just trash it before letting their opponents use it against them? Magneto knows all about the room from his experience leading the New Mutants (which is more than any of Nightwing's team can say), and he could easily take the whole thing down with an EMP during prep-time or at the very start of the battle. Why let such a valuable resource fall under their opponents' control?

Also, with the Ghost fight, it seems extremely foolish for him to allow Captain America to engage him in hand-to-hand combat when he can just stay invisible and hit Cap with timed explosives and such. Magneto has fought Cap and the Avengers multiple times, so he'd have warned my regs that Captain America is one of the foremost hand-to-hand fighters in the Marvel Universe.

and as for the tech thing....im not gonna have your team have a full advantage of the entire battle field....But they'd have that advantage because Magneto knows the battlefield better than anyone on your team. (Juggernaut knows the X-Mansion but hasn't had full access to its tech like Magneto has -- not at this point in the character's history, anyway.) Plus my team specializes in controlling tech more than yours does.

[Nightwing.]

well because my write up is about my team having the advantage....not yours....i wouldnt write about your team tacking full control leaving my team helpless....its all about being in my favour....

and as for the Ghost thing...i never had Ghost fight hand to hand i just had him use his phasing cleverly....although he dropped his guard when he thought Cap was out of it when he was laying on the floor.

again my regs battles were cheap....

[XFanTim]

I understand you aren't going to give my team a big advantage in your writeup -- you have to write it with your team winning, after all. But then it makes sense for me to argue that the team having that advantage is the more plausible scenario. So I'm not so much criticizing your writeup as saying mine -- with my team controlling the Danger Room and other tech -- is more likely. But like I said, it also makes sense for my team to disable whatever tech they can't control.

Regarding the Ghost thing, I'm just saying he shouldn't have made himself both tangible and visible at the same time, allowing Cap to attack him.

As he reaches a full 360 degrees he releases his shield at Ghost. It hurtles towards him only to pass through. As it does Ghost becomes tangible and quickly plants a device on the shield. Still on its trajectory it phases through all the walls and out of the building. Steve seeing this runs towards Ghost. Executing a perfectly timed flying kick he aims straight at his head only to miss. Again with precision timing Ghost grabs Steve’s foot and flips onto the floor.
He could have been invisible, in which case Cap would never know where to throw the shield. He certainly doesn't need to be visible to attack Cap with explosives and such.

Or, he could have stayed intangible and ignored the shield, rather than going tangible just to take out a weapon that couldn't hurt him anyway.

And even if he was needlessly visible and tangible at the same time, he could have gone back to intangible when he had the chance rather than "grabbing Cap's foot" and giving Cap the chance to hit him.

But you said you didn't like your reg battles either, so perhaps I shouldn't bother debating them.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Anyway, one of my main strategies in this match is the use of inhibitor collars. That is because 4 of AS's characters are mutants and as such, there is a very easy way to counteract their powers through technology and since I have an expert technician inventor on the team and a superb source of energy it would be foolish not to take advantage of this weakness.I'll let this pass because your hooked into the x-men computers which would hold the information to build the collars

Multiple Man vs Jaine Cutter
Now as AS himself has stated, there's little Madrox can do against Jaine since his dupes would easily fall pray to her claws. What she can do to stop him from creating dupes is put a collar on him.at, at, at... i never said easily and i said DeadPool was with her. alone, i have no doubt that multiple man would take her down.

For this she needs to know which one is the original. Engineer in prep time created some device that spread low level radiation throughout the house. After a quick scan she can see which one of the Madrox bodies has absorbed MORE radiation and therefore which one is the original.That wouldn't work, seeing how each dupe is a precise dupe of the previous one

She communicates this to Jaine telepathically. Now what would happen if Madrox's powers were neutralized? I'm sure that either a) his dupes disappear or b) his dupes lose the power to create other dupes.C) the dupes would retain thier natural abilities, but would not be able to be absorbed by madrox himself

There IS a connection between Madrox and his dupes and since his dupes are always absorbed into him and not the other way around it is only logical to assume that he is the source of their powers and once he is neutralized, they are all neutralized. So all that is left for Jaine to do once she gets close enough to the real Madrox to put the collar on is pick off the rest of the dupes.seeing as how jaimie has NEVER been to the x-mansion and WOULDN"T know where to find the WEAPONS...

Deadpool vs Forgedeadpool grabs his guns and kills forge... the end

Stryfe vs Kayla Ballantine /w Engineer coaching
What we have here is a basic psionic power vs cosmic power type struggle.a basic psi-power that has had a lifetime of war experience.
The Star Brand gives it's source potentially infinite cosmic powers.although she NO WHERE near other cosmic beings do to inexperience.
With Engineer's help, Kayla coult tap into those amazing powers and last time cosmic powers went up against psionic powers (namely Silver Surfer vs Cable in Cable/Deadpool) cosmic powers won!though that has nothing to do with the match

[LadyVader]

at, at, at... i never said easily and i said DeadPool was with her. alone, i have no doubt that multiple man would take her down.

how?

That wouldn't work, seeing how each dupe is a precise dupe of the previous one

that doesn't matter since the method is simply used to test which dupe has been in a particular environment longer, not with dupe is older

seeing as how jaimie has NEVER been to the x-mansion and WOULDN"T know where to find the WEAPONS...

Conventional weapons can't harm Jaine.

a basic psi-power that has had a lifetime of war experience.
although she NO WHERE near other cosmic beings do to inexperience.
Did you miss the whole part about Engineer coaching her? the Star Brand is heavily influenced by a person's psyche and Engineer has easy access to Kayla's psyche thanks to radio-telepathy.

though that has nothing to do with the match
it proves that cosmic power trumps psi-power.


Conclusion

Engineer vs Mimic

A normal inhibitor collar wouldn't work on this Mimic since he's to fast and to damn feral to put the thing on him. So, while one of her clones is keeping him busy in the danger room (Engineer has the ablity among other things to also create clones of herself), Angie will search the computer and the Web if necessary for specs of the Neutralizer gun that 616 Forge built at some point.

A neutralizer gun would be more handy in rendering Mimic helpless. when she finds the specs, she quickly morphs her hand into one such weapons and starts shooting indiscriminately.

Meanwhile... All this time Wonder Woman has tried to keep Thanos occupied. I'm not saying Wonder woman can beat Thanos but she CAN put up a good fight, and just in time for her team mates to arrive. Now, Wonder Woman at this point would be to hurt to fight but she can relenquish her paraphenelia. Using both the Golden Lasso and Kayla's force fields, they can keep Thanos in place long enough for Jaine to use her claws on his hide.

She should be able to hurt him, since her claws are magical and Drax simply punched through the Titan's chest in Annihilation 4 so Thanos is definetely not indestructible.

[Nightwing.]

I understand you aren't going to give my team a big advantage in your writeup -- you have to write it with your team winning, after all. But then it makes sense for me to argue that the team having that advantage is the more plausible scenario. So I'm not so much criticizing your writeup as saying mine -- with my team controlling the Danger Room and other tech -- is more likely. But like I said, it also makes sense for my team to disable whatever tech they can't control.

Regarding the Ghost thing, I'm just saying he shouldn't have made himself both tangible and visible at the same time, allowing Cap to attack him.


He could have been invisible, in which case Cap would never know where to throw the shield. He certainly doesn't need to be visible to attack Cap with explosives and such.

Or, he could have stayed intangible and ignored the shield, rather than going tangible just to take out a weapon that couldn't hurt him anyway.

And even if he was needlessly visible and tangible at the same time, he could have gone back to intangible when he had the chance rather than "grabbing Cap's foot" and giving Cap the chance to hit him.

But you said you didn't like your reg battles either, so perhaps I shouldn't bother debating them.

I think you miss read how I wrote that battle. Ghost grabbed Cap on the back end of an attack, he flipped Cap onto his back and whilst he was laying down Ghost placed the device on Cap. As Ghost leant over him that was when Cap punched...I wrote it under the assupmtion that Ghost would have to be tangible to place a device on Cap.

[XFanTim]

I was referring more to the part before that where Cap sees him, tries to kick him, and Ghost dodges and knocks him onto the floor. Why do any of that when he can just let Cap's kick pass through him?

I get that you had him go tangible before that to plant a device on Cap's shield, but (1) he could have done that while invisible, in which case Cap wouldn't have known where to kick, and (2) he didn't need to do it at all. Why expose himself to an attack while attacking Cap's shield, instead of attacking Cap himself? He can't use his shield to block attacks from an invisible attacker, because he wouldn't know which way they're coming from.

I agree that Ghost would have to be tangible to place a device on Cap or his shield, but that's all the more reason for him not to take that tactic. He has lots of other options available. E.g., he could plant explosives under the floor and set them off by remote as Cap walked by. He knows how dangerous Cap is, so he should be trying to avoid getting close enough to get kicked or punched by him.

Even if he did want to plant a device on Cap, he could have just snuck up behind him while invisible and done it before Cap ever knew he was there. (Ghost's suit can also hide sound -- a mod he made after Iron Man detected him by his heartbeat.) Or, he could just shoot Cap in the back of the head before Cap knew he was there.

[Nightwing.]

The kick that Cap performed passed THROUGH Ghost. Ghost caught him after his back foot had passed through.

But I can see your point....

[XFanTim]

For what it's worth, overall I thought your writeup was better than you give yourself credit for. Most of the strategies were pretty good. I just felt Ghost could have used his stealth and phasing a bit better against Cap, and Magneto could have been more active before he was the last one standing. (I know you had it all happen fast, but still, unless Magneto splits up from the other regs he'd be able to take a hand in the reg-vs-reg battles. If anything, he'd probably get involved in the combat first, with my invisible regs hiding out until they have an opening to take someone down.)

But I still think the deciding factor is probably who controls the tech on the battlefield. We both made use of the Danger Room, I also used the psi-shielded Z'Nox chamber and the Blackbird (although I had your team use the Blackbird against me some too) ... I just think that it would be my team dominating the tech because I have more tech experts and more familiarity with the X-Mansion tech thanks to Magneto. And at worst, Magneto could fry whatever tech they couldn't take over.

But I've kind of reached the point where I'm just repeating my same points with different phrasing (a bad habit I have when debating) so I'll try to cut myself off here and just get to posting my votes on the other match.

[XFanTim]

Some comments on AS and LV's match:

- As I said above in my discussion with Nightwing, I'm a little skeptical of someone with no past experience with Marvel mutants creating power inhibiting tech in only 24 hours, even with Xavier's library at their disposal. Could Xavier and Beast -- already experts on mutants -- whip up power inhibitors in 24 hours? But AS didn't question it, so I guess I won't argue.

- I'm not sure Forge would keep something as dangerous to mutants as the specs for an inhibitor gun in the X-Men's computer, as opposed to just his head. But if we accept LV's team has inhibitor collar tech, perhaps Engineer could convert it into a gun.

- Anyway, AS somewhat conceded LV would win the reg battles (although he didn't agree with how she did it in her writeup), so I'll assume those go to LV.

- With the meds, I'm not sure a duplicating Mimic isn't pushing him to uber, but on the other hand LV hasn't really questioned it. Engineer can clone too, apparently (I don't know her well), so I guess that kind of evens out. If we accept that she can make inhibitor guns, then maybe she'd take that battle.

- As for the ubers, I'm less convinced LV's team could win. Cable vs. Silver Surfer doesn't necessarily prove anything about Stryfe vs. Kayla -- not all cosmic powers are created equal. In particular, Surfer has exhibited a good bit of resistance to telepathy (for instance, resisting Moondragon with the Mind Gem in Infinity Crusade). Is Kayla telepathy-resistant? If not, that'd give Stryfe a big advantage.

- Also, I'm not very convinced on the takedown of Thanos. Yes, Drax beat Thanos, but Drax was literally made to kill Thanos, and seemed to exhibit some unique Thanos-killing power in that issue. No one on LV's team has anything like that. Thanos has taken multiple shots from a crazed Thor and suffered only a bloody nose, so I'm not expecting Wonder Woman to do much -- but I do buy that she could survive a while against him just by virtue of the fact that she's much faster than Thanos, and after all that's all LV has him do. But I'm also not really convinced Jaine could take out Thanos even with others holding him in place.

So, I somewhat see the lower level battles going to LV and the higher level battles going to AS. Which would probably mean an overall advantage to AS. But that said, AS didn't really tell me how his ubers would win, other than saying "Thanos is too powerful for Wonder Woman and Kayla is too inexperienced for Stryfe." At least LV gave me something that was specific enough that I could find fault with it. ;)

So I guess I'll vote for Lady Vader mostly on the basis of effort. I agree with AS that his ubers have more power and experience than Wonder Woman and Kayla, respectively, but just saying "My team is more powerful and experienced" and finding fault with LV's writeup isn't enough of an argument to sway me. It's possible that AS's takedown of, say, Wonder Woman would have been just as flawed, but since he's not really telling me how he'd take her down, there's no way to judge.

I'm a little conflicted about this vote, because we are trying not to penalize people for choosing to keep their writeups short, but summarizing the entire Wonder Woman vs. Thanos battle with "Wonder Woman isn't strong enough for Thanos" seems a bit extreme. I could just as well write "Thanos isn't fast enough for Wonder Woman." It's not telling you much.

[Aristotle]

Heroes of the New Age vs. The Deadly Dozen: I gotta give it to Nightwing. I like his way of taking out Doomsday/Brainiac, who would have been the real decisive factor in XFanTim's favor. Furthermore, Juggernaut is maybe the only Earthling from the Marvel universe that I would give odds to against Doomsday. With Brainiac's connection severed, Juggernaut and J'onn could lure a mindless beast like Doomsday into the Danger Room fairly easily. After that, this is one of those battles that hinges on one uber fight, and J'onn and Juggernaut vs. Doomsday/Brainiac is that hinge.
Everybody in the Case Mare vs. In Jesus' Name: One paragraph of "uh, my team's better guys" doesn't cut it. This isn't penalizing a short writeup. This is penalizing the LACK of a writeup. It takes a HELL of a lineup for me to vote in favor of a no-show against a writeup, although I did it last match. And AS doesn't have that solid of a lineup. It's close, especially with his three ubers, but it's not quite enough to support no writeup.

[Nightwing.]

Everybody in the Case Mare vs. In Jesus' Name

Ok so AS maybe arrogant and yes he didnt do much but X got beaten by a noshow and i personally think AS's team would take this one....it would be better if he showed it more by putting effort in but as it stands his team is the more powerful imo

[XFanTim]

With Brainiac's connection severed, Juggernaut and J'onn could lure a mindless beast like Doomsday into the Danger Room fairly easily.At the risk of repeating myself, I still think my team has the brainpower and tech saavy (and familiarity with X-Men tech) to hack into the Danger Room and other X-Men computers and lock the other team out. And even if they failed at that, Magneto would just fry it with an EMP before letting it fall into enemy hands.

Ari is entitled to see it otherwise, of course. I'm just hoping I can convince some of the subsequent voters.

[AnnoyingSilence]

Heroes of the New Age vs. The Deadly Dozen: I gotta give it to Nightwing. I like his way of taking out Doomsday/Brainiac, who would have been the real decisive factor in XFanTim's favor. Furthermore, Juggernaut is maybe the only Earthling from the Marvel universe that I would give odds to against Doomsday. With Brainiac's connection severed, Juggernaut and J'onn could lure a mindless beast like Doomsday into the Danger Room fairly easily. After that, this is one of those battles that hinges on one uber fight, and J'onn and Juggernaut vs. Doomsday/Brainiac is that hinge.
Everybody in the Case Mare vs. In Jesus' Name: One paragraph of "uh, my team's better guys" doesn't cut it. This isn't penalizing a short writeup. This is penalizing the LACK of a writeup. It takes a HELL of a lineup for me to vote in favor of a no-show against a writeup, although I did it last match. And AS doesn't have that solid of a lineup. It's close, especially with his three ubers, but it's not quite enough to support no writeup.your bitter vote shouldn't count

you don't know marvel (at all)anyway

her Whole team couldn't take on thanos... it woulda been kayla being leed by engineer who is DEFINITELY not used to that level of power or fighting THanos's level of fight

[AnnoyingSilence]

Everybody in the Case Mare vs. In Jesus' Name

Ok so AS maybe arrogant and yes he didnt do much but X got beaten by a noshow and i personally think AS's team would take this one....it would be better if he showed it more by putting effort in but as it stands his team is the more powerful imothats how you set apart personal feelings against what REALLY what happen, Arist

[AnnoyingSilence]

So I guess I'll vote for Lady Vader mostly on the basis of effort. I agree with AS that his ubers have more power and experience than Wonder Woman and Kayla, respectively, but just saying "My team is more powerful and experienced" and finding fault with LV's writeup isn't enough of an argument to sway me. It's possible that AS's takedown of, say, Wonder Woman would have been just as flawed, but since he's not really telling me how he'd take her down, there's no way to judge.
just like arist said... AS REALLY wins, but LV had more time on her hands

[AnnoyingSilence]

the facts here people, is that i win, but i had to spend too much time with life that i couldn't put up a write-up

and for real... what i put up IS more than enough to any real(who knows the ubers(which is what it REALLY comes down to)are whats important) voter to vote my way

[AnnoyingSilence]

what yall really need to see is that, i really don't have the time, but am making time(between 10-12hour work days and 2 kids) to spend time in the DTL

[AnnoyingSilence]

good night. i have 5-6hours sleep i can catch before the kids wake up

[Aristotle]

thats how you set apart personal feelings against what REALLY what happen, AristYou didn't submit a writeup. You need a strong lineup to overcome that handicap. A VERY strong one. I didn't feel you had one that outstripped LadyVader enough to secure the vote without a writeup.

Regardless, I think this is a case of the lady protesting a bit too much. You talk so much about what my personal feelings are, and how they're supposedly influencing my vote, but I can't wait to see who you cast your vote for in my match. And the funniest thing is, you'll still have the gall to accuse me of voting based on my feelings, even after you do the same.

the facts here people, is that i win, but i had to spend too much time with life that i couldn't put up a write-upI appreciate that, and I appreciate the fact that, regardless of whatever disagreements I have with you, you have stuck with the DTL at a time when it seems that more people are quitting than staying. And if one match you just can't get the writeup in, that's fine, and there's no shame in it. Life can get in the way sometimes. It almost got in my way this match. But don't expect a win without a writeup. It's always possible. But you can't expect it.

[XFanTim]

Sometimes real life gets in the way of stuff like this, and I sympathize, but that doesn't mean I'll give you a vote. If you choose to put real life priorities over the DTL (which is the smart thing to do) you have to live with your DTL standing suffering.

Do I think your team would win, based on how I imagine the fight in my head? Sure. But I'm supposed to base it on your version of the fight, and you didn't really give me much to go on. I don't doubt there's good reasons why, but I can still only vote based on what you do.

[Harlekin]

Deadly Dozen and Everybody in the Casa Mare.

[XFanTim]

I hope we'll be getting some more votes . . . a 1-1 tie would be the lamest thing ever. Well, except for a 2-1 loss.

So, I guess what I mean is "I hope we'll be getting some more votes for me." ;)

[AnnoyingSilence]

due to the manner of the votes(people pointing out that i win, but since i didn't take time away from my kids(which 3 of 4 days off for christmas was with other families), i lose), i'm boycotting the votes.


****o. and for people who want to question my New Years days off: i've been busy cleaning and shopping for a party at my house(thats 2 parties(one being the patriots game))... my wife worked several of the total days giving my even less time.



that is all that i will allow myself to explain myself(since i think i don't need to in the first place)

[Nightwing.]

due to the manner of the votes(people pointing out that i win, but since i didn't take time away from my kids(which 3 of 4 days off for christmas was with other families), i lose), i'm boycotting the votes.


****o. and for people who want to question my New Years days off: i've been busy cleaning and shopping for a party at my house(thats 2 parties(one being the patriots game))... my wife worked several of the total days giving my even less time.



that is all that i will allow myself to explain myself(since i think i don't need to in the first place)

come on AS people have still voted on your match....some even in your favour....the least you can do is vote back....makes the battles fair for everyone....me and Xfantim have put in effort and work on our write ups and are stalemated at the moment on 1-1....

other people will want votes too...

[XFanTim]

due to the manner of the votes(people pointing out that i win, but since i didn't take time away from my kids(which 3 of 4 days off for christmas was with other families), i lose), i'm boycotting the votes.By that reasoning, I could do nothing, demand votes anyway, and then say "I can't believe you jerks won't let me take time with my family!" if I don't get the votes I want.

No one is saying you should put the DTL ahead of your family. But if you choose to spend your time on other things, you can't complain when you don't get votes. We can't vote on the basis of what you would have done if you had more time on your hands -- only on what you actually did.

[AnnoyingSilence]

no, xfan, NOTHING like that... the difference is is that i DID put something up... and had i had the time that i do now, i would've put something up....

besides the last time i checked, a lay-out of the battle was GOOD ENOUGH. its just with the as weak as her team is, i didnt' have too much to say in the first place.

[XFanTim]

no, xfan, NOTHING like that... the difference is is that i DID put something up... and had i had the time that i do now, i would've put something up....

besides the last time i checked, a lay-out of the battle was GOOD ENOUGH. its just with the as weak as her team is, i didnt' have too much to say in the first place.Yes, you did do something but it was very short. A lay-out is fine, but yours bordered on just saying "My team wins because they're more powerful." Did you list a single attack or tactic that your team would use (other than starting the fight outside the building)?

Take the Thanos vs. Wonder Woman fight. All you said is "Wonder Woman isn't strong enough for Thanos." I would have been satisfied by something as short as "Wonder Woman dodges Thanos's punches with her superspeed and lands a few on him, but he's too durable to be damaged by them. He throws an omni-directional energy blast -- which she can't dodge -- and then while she's momentarily stunned he rains down blows that knock her out cold." That's super brief, but it at least gives me some picture of the fight.

Likewise, all you said about the other uber fight is "Kayla isn't that familiar with her powers so she'll be very little help" -- nothing about how you beat her.

I did feel a bit torn with my vote, because I agree with you that LV's team probably doesn't have the power to beat Thanos. I almost voted against her, but I felt like I was voting on the basis of all the ways I could think of that Thanos would beat them, rather than going on what you gave me.

[Aristotle]

I won't even go that far. AS, your team certainly has the advantage, but as they say in sports, there's a reason the games get played. Take the 1988 World Series: the Oakland A's of that season were probably one of the best teams in baseball history, and definitely the best team in baseball that year. Rock-solid lineup with three-, four-, and five-holes to die for, plus a killer pitching staff. The defense was among the best of the league as well. They were playing a ragged, underdog Los Angeles Dodgers team that hardly deserved to be there. And the Dodgers took it, 4-1.

The lesson here? You gotta play the games. The ONLY reason Team Alpha Wolf Squadron lost to a no-show last week was that Harl didn't have a single uber to start the fight. This fight just wasn't nearly as lopsided. If it was, then maybe you're rolling with some seriously tuber characters.

[wiegeabo]

The Deadly Dozen
In Jesus' Name

Wing's writeup had some good stuff. I just think Tim's was more solid all around.

While AS's writeup was (ever so) brief, he made some good points. And while LV had some good counters to those points (like Kayla's inexperience and the inhibitors), it relies on Wonder Woman being able to hold off Thanos. Could she give Thanos a fight? Yes. But could she hold Thanos off long enough for the others to finish? I'm not sure. With Diana, maybe. Without Diana, it mostly relies on Kayla to stop Thanos. I don't know if she's got what it takes.

[LadyVader]

What do you mean without Diana!? The fight is between teams of 5 members. And I'm a little tired of the preconceptions people have about certain characters that they are unbeatable, like Thanos for example.

I mean Drax killed the guy. Killed. Kaput. And Drax is not even on the same level with Diana. She is a goddess bred for war with magical armor and weapons to boot. She's stood up against the likes of Superman and Ares, took out the entire Justice League. I can't believe we're questioning her ability to simply keep Thanos occupied.

[Harlekin]

Drax was created solely to kill Thanos though, just saying.

[XFanTim]

Yeah, if you just look at that Drax fight you'll get a totally skewed impression of Thanos. The current incarnation of Drax has been explicitly stated to be less powerful than the previous version, and even that version has been demonstrated to be weaker than Thanos on multiple occasions. That Drax had been shown to be about equal to Thor, who's also always been portrayed as weaker than Thanos. However the current incarnation of Thanos has one thing the previous version lacks (other than more brains) -- he appears to have some special Thanos-killing aura. Which makes sense, since Drax was created to kill Thanos, after all.

Anyway, people assume Thanos would kick Wonder Woman's ass because Thanos has proven himself significantly more powerful than characters like Thor who are presumably about on Wonder Woman's level. That said, this ignores one major advantage that Wonder Woman has on all those characters (and on Thanos himself), which is that she has substantial amounts of superspeed. I don't really think that'd be enough to make the difference, but I felt like AS should at least address how Thanos deals with the speed difference, which was part of why I voted for LadyVader.

[XFanTim]

Regarding "without Diana", I'm pretty sure Wieg means he buys that Diana could hold off Thanos for a while, but not that she'd still have anything left by the time her teammates arrived to help. He's saying if Diana is basically dead by the time the others get there, he doesn't see your team winning.

[wiegeabo]

Regarding "without Diana", I'm pretty sure Wieg means he buys that Diana could hold off Thanos for a while, but not that she'd still have anything left by the time her teammates arrived to help. He's saying if Diana is basically dead by the time the others get there, he doesn't see your team winning.

That's essentially my point.


Also, the facts are these:
Someone else watches Pushing Daisies.

[AnnoyingSilence]

I mean Drax killed the guy. Killed. Kaput. And Drax is not even on the same level with Diana. She is a goddess bred for war with magical armor and weapons to boot. She's stood up against the likes of Superman and Ares, took out the entire Justice League. I can't believe we're questioning her ability to simply keep Thanos occupied.first off... it a FACT that wonder woman couldn't beat superman becuase he has two up on her in every area of superpowers... so. just kuz shes uber doesn't make her one of the unbeatable. even with her rope that can make people tell the truth and rejuvinate her, the bullet pruff braclets and a tiara that she can bug someone with... on top of her limited str, slowwer than superman speed weaker than superman durablity and slow if not normal healing factor... she IS NO competition for Thanos' faster, stronger, more durable, more powerful than superman self

[AnnoyingSilence]

Anyway, people assume Thanos would kick Wonder Woman's ass because Thanos has proven himself significantly more powerful than characters like Thor who are presumably about on Wonder Woman's level. That said, this ignores one major advantage that Wonder Woman has on all those characters (and on Thanos himself), which is that she has substantial amounts of superspeed. I don't really think that'd be enough to make the difference, but I felt like AS should at least address how Thanos deals with the speed difference, which was part of why I voted for LadyVader.wow... do you really believe that?... lol

how does he deal with the speed that Silver Surfer brings(who is WWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY way faster than WW and Thor)

[XFanTim]

she IS NO competition for Thanos' faster, stronger, more durable, more powerful than superman self(bolding mine)

Ain't no way Thanos is faster than Superman. Not even close.

But I do think he'd beat Wonder Woman pretty soundly.

how does he deal with the speed that Silver Surfer brings(who is WWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY way faster than WW and Thor)Silver Surfer can fly faster than Wonder Woman, but when has he ever actually fought at extreme superspeed (thinks like throwing a hundred punches in a second or dodging attacks at super speed).

In fact, I'd argue one of the only reasons we can justify allowing characters like Silver Surfer and Thanos in this thing is that they're way slower than Superman. How the hell would Surfer be allowed if he could transmute matter and fire planet-destroying energy blasts and such as fast as Superman throws punches? And how the hell would he be ranked the same as Superman?

[LadyVader]

Deadly Dozen

(Nightwing, have a little faith man!)

[AnnoyingSilence]

I just feel like i have to say, "I appreciate people in the DTL for takin up so much of my time(And i mean that in a good way)"


...Silver Surfer can fly faster than Wonder Woman, but when has he ever actually fought at extreme superspeedwould you say that again?...



when your fighting someone hand-and-hand., superspeed only helps so much...

move by move...(um... i'm just using this post for discussion... i'm donde debating mine and good luck LV(my boycott still stands))

for example
(somehow... Thanos is caught by suprise and is seperated from his team and is now in a death lock with WW)

Following plan WW would quickly hit Thanos farther away from the battle
(a little one-on-one, Know what I'm sayin... (http://images.clubzone.com/company/images/1501.jpg)


Thanos is knocked into the danger room that The Engineer had earlier copied and programed it as a traditional Amazonian Fighting circle(Amazonian weapons scatter on the wall....(door shuts...(duh))

Thanos: How much do you think that hurt?

Flying to the wall, putting on traditional Amazonian battle gear(Helmut, Spear, Breast Plate and Shield, throwing thanos his own on the other side of the DR...

Thanos: kinky huh?

Waiting for Thanos to suite up, Diana: I have never enjoyed mens sexxual sense of humor.. Its degrading.

Suited up, Thanos: I am much More than any man you have ever met.

Diana: Heard it before-

}WW darts at Thanos, but has to dodge a spear{

Thanos: Just kuz I can't fly, doesn't mean I can't JUMP!

]Thanos ROCKETS off the ground(,and i mean rockets, Rockets with his super-uber-duper strong legs)like hes actually flying(head-first)[

}Wonder Woman paries him into the wall, right behind her{]Thanos, not hurt too badly, as planned, Massively Mytic Blasts WW to the ground(15 feet below)[

Diana: >uh<, You can't intimidate me.-
}quickly jumping to her feet, but is takin abroad of how hurt she actually is from one blast...{

Grinning,Thanos: Its not intimidation... Taking his opening, Thanos bruntly blasts Diana again....

Thanos: Its revelation of how weak every uber is from your Diminsion seems to be, though your movements are very fast.

Grabbing her Lasso, blocking the moderate blast, Wonder Woman: Giea be with me.-
}Again, darting at Thanos, Wonder Woman hits Thanos with her shield, smashing him in the face, releasing her lasso{

Getting caugt in the Lasso,Thanos: Your weaker and slowwer, so i'll waste no more time.}Thanos Blasts her from his eyes, she jumps, he reverse spins out of the lasso, WW with everything she has, darts back at Thanos, connecting{]Hitting the wall, Thanos ERUPTS with a BLAST that leaves Diana crippled[

Standing over her, Thanos: With all your deminisions' speed., if you can't stun me for a moment, then you can't make your next move without me being able to follow you and find an opening to take advantage of(except Doomsday/Brainiac(who is built like Thanos, but without energy projection)).

Diana is done and so are the rest of The Casa-Mare

[DTL Commish]

Voting is now over.
Final Results

Heroes of the New Age 1
The Deadly Dozen 3

In Jesus' Name 2
Deadpool's Harem 3

[AnnoyingSilence]

dang. i can't get some comments on that?

[Nightwing.]

hows that work?only four votes for mine and tims match up but 5 for LV's and AS's?

[Nightwing.]

good battle tim.....might have had a better chance if i had done more with my regs....

[wiegeabo]

hows that work?only four votes for mine and tims match up but 5 for LV's and AS's?

Six voters. You and Tim couldn't vote for your match, LV couldn't vote in hers.

[XFanTim]

good battle tim.....might have had a better chance if i had done more with my regs....
Yeah, good match. :up: