The Official Boxing Thread!!!

[Badger]

Just noticed our new Sports sub-forum did not have a Boxing thread. So without further ado, here it is. Post all Boxing news and fights in here. All boxing is to be contained in here. Events cannot have seperate threads, per Matt. :up:

[Scooter]

The UFC thread has 26 pages, and the boxing thread has one (now two) posts?! ****ing kids. :o

Anyway, on to the Sweet Science:

2007 was a great year, especially in the sceond half.

De La Hoya/Mayweather (didn't live up to the hype, but a decent fight nonetheless),
Vasquez/Marquez 1 & 2,
Hopkins/Wright (****ty main event, but the undercards were great),
Pavlik/Taylor,
Calzaghe/Kessler,
Cotto/Mosely,
Mayweather/Hatton,

and a slew of others. 2008 looks promising as well, with the first heavyweight unification bout in a long while (Klitschko/Ibragimov), the rematch between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez, Pavlik/Taylor 2, and a load of other potentially great matchups.

So, any boxing fans have any favorite moments, performances, or fighters that they'd like to reflect on for 2007?

[Excel]

valuev :up: :Up:

[Scooter]

Nikolai Valuev, the Russian heavyweight? Gah, I would hate to find myself in a clinch with that guy - hairy, sweaty, armpits at nose-level...ugh...

Seriously though, he isn't very good. But then, almost no heavyweights are any good right now.

[Iceman/Psylocke]

Shame Hatton got outclassed by Mayweather but looking forward to Joe Calzaghie in 08 & to see Amir Khan challenge for a world title.

[Excel]

http://www.theslipperytruffle.com/log/valuev_1.jpg

:wow: I feel for his wife...

[Scooter]

Edison "Pantera" Miranda (30-2-0) scored what could end up as 2008's Knockout of the Year over former The Contender star David Banks (15-3-1) in the third round of their super-middlewieght bout on the Nov. 11 edition of ESPN's Friday Night Fights.

The knockout. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5cl6u6vIVNo)

[Jerry!]

http://www.theslipperytruffle.com/log/valuev_1.jpg

:wow: I feel for his wife...

Yeah, a couple of hits to the head from that guy could probably give you some brain damage. Then you have to spend the rest of your life with a blank expression on your face and being fed through a tube. And then there is the medical bills and all that ****.

[mcentepede]

Boxing in 2008 in 90% fixed. Hardly any good fights left anymore, the old days were better, they really fought. Now, Ufc is better, followed by WWf, Football, soccer, ladies figure skating, dodgeball, and then boxing.

[Jerry!]

Boxing in 2008 in 90% fixed. Hardly any good fights left anymore, the old days were better, they really fought. Now, Ufc is better, followed by WWf, Football, soccer, ladies figure skating, dodgeball, and then boxing.

Mercy. Seriously, the WWE doesn't even belong on that list. Ever. I'll take boxing over that.

[E. Nygma]

Mercy. Seriously, the WWE doesn't even belong on that list. Ever. I'll take boxing over that.

I loved Wrestling and Boxing almost equally growing up. Getting to see the end of such great heavyweights as Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis was something i cherished. Then the sport slowly began to die.

Eerily similar nowadays is the WWE, which while not "dying" i would have to say is losing a lot in terms of quality just like Boxing.

I really dont know what Boxing will do in 5-10 years when Mayweather and De La Hoya are long gone. Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr. are finished. All the current top draws. The Heavyweight division is already dead.

[Jerry!]

Wrestling is sports entertainment. Boxing is not. There is a reason there isn't a WWE thread in the Sports forum.

[Dark Donnie]

De la Hoya Mayweather II hopefully be better, to bad its not till September.

[E. Nygma]

Wrestling is sports entertainment. Boxing is not. There is a reason there isn't a WWE thread in the Sports forum.

But professional wrestlers are still athletes, which makes wrestling athletic. Regardless of whether it's a sport or not, and it isn't officially.

[Showtime]

http://www.theslipperytruffle.com/log/valuev_1.jpg

:wow: I feel for his wife...

Let's see him take "them" on.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/900/worlds20tallest20woman202dh4.jpg

[mcentepede]

That's one big frickin female, looks like she could be Andre the Giant's ex-wife.

[3dman27]

there's no live boxing on ESPN2 this week just reruns

[E. Nygma]

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boxmovers012208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

interesting article

The Golden Boy may be past his golden years as a fighter, but he's still the most powerful man in the sport. I agree, just look at the money he draws. He's a hell of a businessman.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

There are no big name in their prime heavyweight fighters left out there.

Ali, Foreman, Fraser, Holyfield, Tyson, etc... Nothing close to the level of any of them taking the sport back to popularity. Tis a shame.

[3dman27]

yes i see your point maybe if they could get some new blood in it'll help the sport

[Scooter]

A couple of undefeated, up-and-coming heavyweight prospects/contenders had it out tonight on HBO. Alexander Povetkin (15-0-0, 11 KO) won a wide unnanimous decision of "Fast" Eddie Chambers (30-1-0, 16 KO). This win gave Povetkin a number one contender ranking and a title shot.

Povetkin's talented (though he didn't look his best tonight), though, at this point, I just don't see him beating Wladimir Klitschko. In fact, he'd probably get hurt.

[E. Nygma]

A couple of undefeated, up-and-coming heavyweight prospects/contenders had it out tonight on HBO. Alexander Povetkin (15-0-0, 11 KO) won a wide unnanimous decision of "Fast" Eddie Chambers (30-1-0, 16 KO). This win gave Povetkin a number one contender ranking and a title shot.

Povetkin's talented (though he didn't look his best tonight), though, at this point, I just don't see him beating Wladimir Klitschko. In fact, he'd probably get hurt.

WHO!?

Heavyweight division is completely dry

[Scooter]

WHO!?

Heavyweight division is completely dry
Incorrect, but indicative of the general attitude shared by many casual fans. The current heavyweight division has some talent (though nowwhere near that of the Golden Age of Heavyweights, the late '60's and early '70's, or even the '90's and early-'00's), but it's largely dominated by 1) overweight, poorly conditioned nobodies, and 2) little known Eastern Europeans and Asians. Tonights fights was a good example, with the overweight (though potentially skilled) Chambers fighting the littleknown (to casual fans) but very talented Povetkin. Furthermore, at the top of the heap is one fighter (like Tyson for a few years in the late '80's) who would be an almost prohibitive favorite against any contender. There aren't any American heavyweights to stir the American fans' interest, and their aren't that many exciting fights - though that should start to pick up in the coming months and years.

So, dry, but not completely so.

[Scooter]

Pavlik/Taylor 2 tonight *****es!

[DarthRekal]

DeLaHoya...

set to fight Forbes on May 3 in order to "tune-up" for

Mayweather rematch in September

[Scooter]

At least he isn't making us pay extra for it. That's really all you can say about that one.

[E. Nygma]

Looks like Floyd Mayweather is going to be stepping into another ring, the wrestling ring now. He was at the WWE PPV last night where he "attacked" the returning superstar The Big Show.

[Bubonic]

Pavlik/Taylor 2 tonight *****es!

How'd you like the fight, I heard it went the distance?

I enjoy any good fight, but I'm in the camp who feels the MMA is slowly, but surely going to leave boxing in its shadow.

[Scooter]

How'd you like the fight, I heard it went the distance?

I enjoy any good fight, but I'm in the camp who feels the MMA is slowly, but surely going to leave boxing in its shadow.
It was a good fight. Not as explosive as the first, but quite entertaining. The undercard was pretty good too.

**** MMA. **** puts me to sleep. :woot:

[3dman27]

ii have a question abous showtimes boxing ppvs when i had showtime a few years ago, they had a policy of cancelling the ppv if the main event fell through
that doesn't sound fair to the undercard fighters to me their matches are contracted for the ppv too right?why punish THEM for something beyond their control?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I was just watching a show on ESPN called "Boxing History" and they had classic Mike Tyson match ups. Say what you want about Tyson now, but back in his day he was a f**king animal. He went 37-0 (33 of which were by KO or TKO) before losing to Douglas in 1990 which is unheard of.

While I think boxing is slowly starting to fade into the shadow of MMA, I do enjoy watching classic boxing match ups because to be honest back then it was more about the sport and less about the $30 million per fight like it is now.

He may be crazy, but Tyson undoubtedly has to be listed as one of the all time best to ever step inside the ring.

[Scooter]

I was just watching a show on ESPN called "Boxing History" and they had classic Mike Tyson match ups. Say what you want about Tyson now, but back in his day he was a f**king animal. He went 37-0 (33 of which were by KO or TKO) before losing to Douglas in 1990 which is unheard of.

While I think boxing is slowly starting to fade into the shadow of MMA, I do enjoy watching classic boxing match ups because to be honest back then it was more about the sport and less about the $30 million per fight like it is now.

He may be crazy, but Tyson undoubtedly has to be listed as one of the all time best to ever step inside the ring.
A young Tyson was fun to watch, no doubt about it. Great power, terrific handspeed, and that peek-a-boo stance and upper body movement that made him so hard to hit. "Iron" Mike was a fearsome boxer in the late eighties, and that fear - the kind that paralyzed his opponents and took the fight right out of them before the opening bell had even rung - was his most effective tool.

However, when he finally faced a guy who truly wasn't afraid of losing, a guy who was fighting not merely to survive, but to win, the "Baddest Man on the Planet" found himself on the losing end of a 42:1 upset - courtesy of Buster Douglas, the wasted potential one-hit wonder.

It could be argued that Tyson was all hype, a flash in the pan who looked great dropping bums and no-hopes, but got his ass handed to him whenever he stepped up in competition and faced the true greats of his era (namely, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis). Before losing to Douglas, Tyson's best wins were a blown up light-heavyweight in Michael Spinks (a good win, but expected, and hardly great) and the great Larry Holmes, who, although a legendary heavyweight, was lured out of retirement with a fat paycheck at almost 40 years of age (a young, in-shape Holmes takes that fight easy).

Outside of the ring, Tyson's headcase antics garnered him more lasting fame than his in-ring exploits. He was a drug-abusing sexual predator, a punk who ultimately carried that psychotic imbalance with him into the ring, getting himself disqualified for mauling Evander Holyfield in their infamous rematch. Some respect for the sport that act was. :whatever: And make no mistake, professional boxing in Tyson's era was just as much about money as it is now. Tyson himself made more than 300 million dollars over the course of his career, and, after he had pissed it all away, was forced back into the ring late in his career, again fighting nobodies (although, in an ironic reversal, he would be the one getting knocked out this time around) for whatever last bits of money that could be dredged from depths of the popularity of his name.

But it could also be said that their were other sides to Tyson, that circumstances in his life conspired against him and left a gentle heart grossly misunderstood. Someone once said, and I forget who, that Mike Tyson was simultaneously smarter and dumber than we'll ever know. I think he was a punk, but it's probably best to leave it be.

Now, in terms of the boxing greats (boxing fans generally love such lists), were does "Iron" Mike rank? Well, leaving the pound-for-pound discussion aside (a ranking that disregards weight classes in favor of outright skill or ability when comparing fighters) - a discussion into which the name "Tyson" probably doesn't enter for the first 100 names or so - the greatest heavyweights are generally considered to be guys like Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, etc. Tyson, despite being the youngest heavyweight champion to date (edging out the perpetually gutsy Floyd Patterson by a matter of months), doesn't crack the top 10. Nor the top 15. The argument could be made for his position within the top 20, but I think a ranking like that that based more on his great unseen potential (if said unfulfilled potential did in fact exist, a prospect of which I"m personally not so sure) than his actual accomplishments. Ultimately, I'd say the "Baddest Man on the Planet", although talented for a brief period, under the right supervision (he could do very little for himself), was more hype than not.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Hmmm...I'll have to think about that one.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I agree with most of what you said, however I wouldn't consider Tyson to be all hype. I don't care who you are, or how hyped you are a record of 37-0 with 33 KO's is impressive by any standards. I also wouldn't consider most of his opponents as cans as Tyson had to start fighting the lesser known opponents just like anyone else. One could say that his first 10 wins might have been against cans, but climbing to a record of 37-0 in any combat sport is almost unheard of.

Tyson's loss to Douglass was arguably one of the most shocking moments in sports history, and could be considered as one of the top 5 biggest upsets in boxing history. I think you are right that Tyson wasn't up against an opponent looking to make a name for themselves either by beating Tyson or at the very least lasting more than one round with him. He was up against an opponent that most people thought was WAY past his prime and washed up...thus he faced the most dangerous type of opponent, an underdog with nothing to lose.

Tyson's antics outside of the ring definitely brought him down in most people's opinions, but I don't think it's fair to base his legacy in the ring on the things he's done outside. Yeah he went to jail, and yeah he's said a lot of stupid things (which entertain the hell out of me), but Tyson's legacy as a boxer is cemented if not by the fact that he STILL remains the youngest Heavyweight champion of all time. He was also the first boxer to capture all 3 major Heavyweight titles thus becoming the true undisputed champion of his time.

In terms of who was the greatest of all time, I personally would put "Sugar" Ray Robinson (175-19-6 with 110 KO's) at the top of that list even ahead of Ali. Again you have a case of an AMAZING athlete who did his fair share of stupid things outside of the ring, and died penniless, but that (much like Tyson) shouldn't even weigh in on the legacy he leaves in the boxing world.

[Nightmare]

Floyd gonna knock out big show at wrestlemania.


Is the guy klitchko is fighting this weekend any good?

[Bill]

I think that the downfall of Mike Tyson began when Cus D'Amato died. Cus took Tyson and kept him away from the bad side of the business and of life. Once D'Amato died and Kevin Rooney, who knew D'Amato methods of training a boxer of Tyson' stature to be a successful heavyweight, was fired, it was only a matter of time until the pressure of being on top and the lack of sound training caught up to him.

I think Tyson needed the supervision and fatherly support of D'Amato, when he lost that, he lost himself. If he had lived longer, we might have seen a different Mike Tyson.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I completely agree with that. D'Amato helped Tyson channel whatever "inner demons" he might have had into a skill that was second to none. I know Tyson considered D'Amato to be a surrogate father and when he died it's obvious that Tyson was left with no one to help guide him. Tyson's no idiot though (yes I know how that sounds) it's his own fault for getting into the trouble he did and not seeking out better management. If he were truly serious about becoming the absolute best, and continuing on in a manor that D'Amato would have been proud of, he would have sought out a new mentor. Instead he fell into the same trap a lot of other athletes do....they buy into their own hype and get caught in a downward spiral that threatens to taint their legacy in the sport.

Having said that, Tyson was a beast back in his day and to this day holds records that have yet to be broken. That has to say something for him.

[Scooter]

Floyd gonna knock out big show at wrestlemania.


Is the guy klitchko is fighting this weekend any good?
Wladimir Klitschko, though possessing a career marred by a few unfortunate losses, is a supremely talented heavyweight. He's tall (6'6" or so), fit (240 poounds of muscle), very technically sound, surprisingly quick (of both hand and foot) for a guy his size, and is one of the better punchers the heavyweight division has ever seen (top 5 all time jab, top 5 all time straight right, top 10 all time all-around power). He hasn't really lost so much as a round in the last two or three years, and is the favorite going in to tommorow night's fight.

His opponent, Sultan Ibragimov, while not a exactly a known name, is a cagey southpaw with a somewhat doughy physique that masks surprising quickness and agiklity. Undefeated, no pushover, but not great.

Wlad should knock him out in the mid-to-late rounds.

[Scooter]

I agree with most of what you said, however I wouldn't consider Tyson to be all hype. I don't care who you are, or how hyped you are a record of 37-0 with 33 KO's is impressive by any standards. I also wouldn't consider most of his opponents as cans as Tyson had to start fighting the lesser known opponents just like anyone else. One could say that his first 10 wins might have been against cans, but climbing to a record of 37-0 in any combat sport is almost unheard of.
Like I said, I don't consider him all hype, just more hype than greatness. But he did have some major talent. A lot is made of his power, but the way he set up those knockouts - with great body movement and evasiveness on the inside, and shockingly fast hands for a heavyweight, especially when he was throwing short, compact inside combos - was great boxing. He also, despite almost always being the smaller man (Mike was only about 5'11"), had terrific timing that allowed him to consistently out-jab longer-armed opponents.

But it was more than just his first 10 opponents who were nobodies. In fairness to Tyson, he fought whoever was around (it was a dry era for heavyweights), but Tony Tubbs? Tony Tucker? They were okay fighters, but, ultimately, towards the bottom-end of okay. Trevor Berbick was just a crazy old man whose greatest feat was beating up an old, heavily brain-damaged Muhammad Ali.

Still, Tyson beat them. He also beat Larry Holmes, one of the greatest heavy's ever. That's a great name to have on your resume, but, like I said in my first post, Holmes was old and inactive. Tyson was a good fighter, but when he stepped up in competion to fight the true greats of his era, he got slapped down.

Tyson's loss to Douglass was arguably one of the most shocking moments in sports history, and could be considered as one of the top 5 biggest upsets in boxing history. I think you are right that Tyson wasn't up against an opponent looking to make a name for themselves either by beating Tyson or at the very least lasting more than one round with him. He was up against an opponent that most people thought was WAY past his prime and washed up...thus he faced the most dangerous type of opponent, an underdog with nothing to lose.
Yep, Buster fought the fight of his life that night, and "exposed", to a degree, the "invincible" Mike Tyson.

Tyson's antics outside of the ring definitely brought him down in most people's opinions, but I don't think it's fair to base his legacy in the ring on the things he's done outside. Yeah he went to jail, and yeah he's said a lot of stupid things (which entertain the hell out of me), but Tyson's legacy as a boxer is cemented if not by the fact that he STILL remains the youngest Heavyweight champion of all time. He was also the first boxer to capture all 3 major Heavyweight titles thus becoming the true undisputed champion of his time.
Entertaining indeed. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RL6eQA2XTeQ) :)

In terms of who was the greatest of all time, I personally would put "Sugar" Ray Robinson (175-19-6 with 110 KO's) at the top of that list even ahead of Ali. Again you have a case of an AMAZING athlete who did his fair share of stupid things outside of the ring, and died penniless, but that (much like Tyson) shouldn't even weigh in on the legacy he leaves in the boxing world.
Well, now you're talking about the general consensus, pound-for-pound, greatest of all time, Sugar Ray Robinson. In my original post, I side-stepped that list on the premise Tyson doesn't even make the top 75 or so, and instead focused solely on heavyweights (Robinson, obviously, was at his best sa welterweight, some 53 pounds shy of heavy), placing Mike somewhere in the top 20.

And I hear what you're saying about the distinction between a boxer's in-ring accomplishments and his out-of-ring exploits, but we can't wholly separate the two. For a long portion of American history in the 20th century, boxing was this country's most popular sport, in some eras by a wide margin (in years during which Yankee stadium would be half-empty for home games, two popular fighters could draw max-capacity for even non-title bouts). And, for the most part, the Heavyweight Champ was the most recognizeable athlete on the planet (in the 20's and 30's, for example champs like Max Baer would make more in one bout than Babe Ruth would in 10 seasons). And, for an endeavor, like boxing, that is equal parts sport and entertainment, fighter's personas and activities greatly impact the drama of the fights.

Would Jack Johnson be considered as great as he was were it not for the his flagrant opposition to racism and the oppression of blacks? Would Joe Louis be the same Joe Louis had he fought only for the heavyweight championship, and not also for the symbolic victory of the free world over Nazi domination? And would the Greatest of All Time, Muhammad Ali, be the most famous and beloved athlete of the last 100 years if hadn't completely transcended the sport the way he did? It all has to be taken into account when weighing the merits of these fighters over the years, especially when the character is as popular, outrageous, scandalous, and imfamous as Mike Tyson.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I think you hit the nail on the head by calling Tyson "infamous." I agree that his 37 consecutive victories were made up primarily of lesser known, or past their prime boxers, but that can also be chalked up to the fact that Tyson was willing to fight ANYONE they put in front of him, which by today's standards is almost non-existent.

I will say that boxing started to decline right around the time Tyson's career did. Even nowadays I can't sit through most boxing match ups because it's either all about the money (Mayweather vs. De La Hoya) or the hype prior to the match is better than the actual match itself. I think that's why I enjoy watching the "boxing history" shows on ESPN like the one I saw about Tyson. Watching bouts like that and boxers like Tyson really remind you of what the sport used to be like. You'd get guys in there like Ali, or Tyson who would just dominate their division and it would make you excited to see what they'd do next. Now, I don't really care anymore because it's obvious most people who step into that ring are looking for that big paycheck.

When it comes to the greatest of all time I would once again have to go with "Sugar" Ray Robinson as the greatest boxer to ever step foot inside the boxing ring. He's the man people like Ali and Leonard consider to be the greatest, and anyone who's ever read about his story would be hard to argue that fact.

To be quite honest with you, I think it's only a matter of time before boxing is completely overshadowed by MMA. Even a lot of the boxers see it coming which is why they talk so much s**t on MMA fighters....it's trying to build that buzz so people care about their next fight.

[E. Nygma]

I think you hit the nail on the head by calling Tyson "infamous." I agree that his 37 consecutive victories were made up primarily of lesser known, or past their prime boxers, but that can also be chalked up to the fact that Tyson was willing to fight ANYONE they put in front of him, which by today's standards is almost non-existent.

I will say that boxing started to decline right around the time Tyson's career did. Even nowadays I can't sit through most boxing match ups because it's either all about the money (Mayweather vs. De La Hoya) or the hype prior to the match is better than the actual match itself. I think that's why I enjoy watching the "boxing history" shows on ESPN like the one I saw about Tyson. Watching bouts like that and boxers like Tyson really remind you of what the sport used to be like. You'd get guys in there like Ali, or Tyson who would just dominate their division and it would make you excited to see what they'd do next. Now, I don't really care anymore because it's obvious most people who step into that ring are looking for that big paycheck.

When it comes to the greatest of all time I would once again have to go with "Sugar" Ray Robinson as the greatest boxer to ever step foot inside the boxing ring. He's the man people like Ali and Leonard consider to be the greatest, and anyone who's ever read about his story would be hard to argue that fact.

To be quite honest with you, I think it's only a matter of time before boxing is completely overshadowed by MMA. Even a lot of the boxers see it coming which is why they talk so much s**t on MMA fighters....it's trying to build that buzz so people care about their next fight.

At least the Heavyweight division

I know what you mean when you say you cant watch because the sport is so dominated by money and not competition or desire. But at least the fights in the middleweight division are entertaining, and there are talented fighters in it. The Heavyweight division is as barren as the Gobi Desert.

[3dman27]

who won last nights fight? i couldn't afford the ppv

[Scooter]

It wasn't Pay-Per-View. Klitschko won a fairly uneventful, easy (easy!) decision.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

At least the Heavyweight division

I know what you mean when you say you cant watch because the sport is so dominated by money and not competition or desire. But at least the fights in the middleweight division are entertaining, and there are talented fighters in it. The Heavyweight division is as barren as the Gobi Desert.

Yeah I can still enjoy a few of the lower weight fights. The Heavyweight division is just riddled with money hungry athletes that are simply out to get paid. The lower weight divisions are actually made up of hungry boxers that are looking to make a name for themselves.

[3dman27]

It wasn't Pay-Per-View. Klitschko won a fairly uneventful, easy (easy!) decision.

ok thanks scooter

[Badger]

5 months and no posts, what has happened to the sweet science. :( :o

[Attila]

Boxing in 2008 in 90% fixed. Hardly any good fights left anymore, the old days were better, they really fought. Now, Ufc is better, followed by WWf, Football, soccer, ladies figure skating, dodgeball, and then boxing.

huh???

Vasquez Marquez 1
Vasquez Marquez 2
Vasquez Marquez 3
Pavlik vs Taylor 1
Pavlik vs Taylor 2
Casamayor vs Katsidis
Pac vs Jmm 2
Diaz vs Cambell
Holt vs Torres 2
Solis vs Donair


and thats just the REAL badass fights.... i could add Kirklands spectacular knockouts.... and other decent fights like Margarito vs Cintron 2....

and on deck are some real exciting, interesting, and significant matchups in Cotto vs Margarito, Judah vs Clottey, Pavlik vs Hopkins, Pac vs Hatton perhaps, Vitali vs Peter... Wlad trying to clean up heavyweights, undisputed cruiser champ Haye moving up and making his heavyweight debute, damn... i could go on and on..

then you have badass exciting young prospects lighting things up like
Gamboa
Kirkland
Valero
Angulo

Guys in their prime on the verge of greatness
Cotto
Pavlik
Pac


you just dont know boxing if your saying **** like that... just cuz YOU dont know the sport doesnt mean its not as good anymore.

not trying to be rude but its just the truth and i encounter that kind of talk all the time... and its always from people who are just spouting off at the mouth without having any substance behind it.

[Iron_Stark]

If I knew about this thread I would've been posting on it.

[Attila]

If I knew about this thread I would've been posting on it.

im going to be in this baby constantly lol... videos, pics, updates, ect... lol. :yay:

just curious m'man... you say you were rooting for marg? are you a fan or just rooting for him in this fight against cotto?

[Iron_Stark]

im going to be in this baby constantly lol... videos, pics, updates, ect... lol. :yay:

just curious m'man... you say you were rooting for marg? are you a fan or just rooting for him in this fight against cotto?

Fan of his, I normally root for Cotto, except for this fight.

[Ahura Mazda]

A young Tyson was fun to watch, no doubt about it. Great power, terrific handspeed, and that peek-a-boo stance and upper body movement that made him so hard to hit. "Iron" Mike was a fearsome boxer in the late eighties, and that fear - the kind that paralyzed his opponents and took the fight right out of them before the opening bell had even rung - was his most effective tool.

However, when he finally faced a guy who truly wasn't afraid of losing, a guy who was fighting not merely to survive, but to win, the "Baddest Man on the Planet" found himself on the losing end of a 42:1 upset - courtesy of Buster Douglas, the wasted potential one-hit wonder.

It could be argued that Tyson was all hype, a flash in the pan who looked great dropping bums and no-hopes, but got his ass handed to him whenever he stepped up in competition and faced the true greats of his era (namely, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis). Before losing to Douglas, Tyson's best wins were a blown up light-heavyweight in Michael Spinks (a good win, but expected, and hardly great) and the great Larry Holmes, who, although a legendary heavyweight, was lured out of retirement with a fat paycheck at almost 40 years of age (a young, in-shape Holmes takes that fight easy).

Outside of the ring, Tyson's headcase antics garnered him more lasting fame than his in-ring exploits. He was a drug-abusing sexual predator, a punk who ultimately carried that psychotic imbalance with him into the ring, getting himself disqualified for mauling Evander Holyfield in their infamous rematch. Some respect for the sport that act was. :whatever: And make no mistake, professional boxing in Tyson's era was just as much about money as it is now. Tyson himself made more than 300 million dollars over the course of his career, and, after he had pissed it all away, was forced back into the ring late in his career, again fighting nobodies (although, in an ironic reversal, he would be the one getting knocked out this time around) for whatever last bits of money that could be dredged from depths of the popularity of his name.

But it could also be said that their were other sides to Tyson, that circumstances in his life conspired against him and left a gentle heart grossly misunderstood. Someone once said, and I forget who, that Mike Tyson was simultaneously smarter and dumber than we'll ever know. I think he was a punk, but it's probably best to leave it be.

Now, in terms of the boxing greats (boxing fans generally love such lists), were does "Iron" Mike rank? Well, leaving the pound-for-pound discussion aside (a ranking that disregards weight classes in favor of outright skill or ability when comparing fighters) - a discussion into which the name "Tyson" probably doesn't enter for the first 100 names or so - the greatest heavyweights are generally considered to be guys like Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, etc. Tyson, despite being the youngest heavyweight champion to date (edging out the perpetually gutsy Floyd Patterson by a matter of months), doesn't crack the top 10. Nor the top 15. The argument could be made for his position within the top 20, but I think a ranking like that that based more on his great unseen potential (if said unfulfilled potential did in fact exist, a prospect of which I"m personally not so sure) than his actual accomplishments. Ultimately, I'd say the "Baddest Man on the Planet", although talented for a brief period, under the right supervision (he could do very little for himself), was more hype than not.

You make allot of valid arguments but the Douglas fight was more lost by Tyson then won by Douglas. Tyson was overweight and unprepared for the fight. This was not the same Tyson that put away Spinks in under 2 minutes of the first round.

Tyson is maybe not in the top 10 of all time but he was the best heavyweight of the latter part of the 80s.

[The Game]

Cotto just got stole on, damn what a beating he took

[3dman27]

any word on oscar diaz's condition ?
last i heard he was in a medically induced coma

[Iron_Stark]

Last I heard Diaz was supposed to recover.

Dayum, what a beating Cotto took!! That was one hell of a fight, I'm calling it, Fight of the Year!

Early on Cotto was boxing beautifully and beating Marg, but his will eventually took over and beat Cotto.

You'd need a sledge hammer and a gun to take down Margarito, his chin is made of granite or adamantium, he just laughed at those bombs Cotto was throwing at him early in the fight.

[TheLegion]

the fight was AMAZING

shame it only did 450 k

[Attila]

damn i gotta bring this back up..... casamayor got TKO'd this weekend by marquez... CRAZY!!!

anyways.... heres this weeks show of mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4t7UG8-EZQ

[Nightmare]

are you the one on the left or right?

[3dman27]

i read on alo that mr diaz has come out of his coma and is expected to recover

[Nightmare]

Read the same thing in the LA Times. Good news.

[Assassin32]

De La Hoya-Pacquiao tonight. Someone better be as hyped as I am.

[Nightmare]

I am!

Already ordered, $65 bucks in HD.

Im pumped. Im gonna say DLH wins, the height and reach advantage gives him the edge. We'll see.

[Assassin32]

I'm a huge Pacman fan, but an even bigger De La Hoya one. If Oscar doesn't knock the Filipino out, I will literally cry tears.

[Nightmare]

Wow, cry for DLH? Either way im pumped. Know anything on the under card?

[Assassin32]

I've been watching him since before the Olympics.

Juan Manuel Lopez should be fun to watch.

[Poetic Chaos]

First PPV I've ever ordered. Mandatory for filipinos though. I CAN'T WAIT!

[dr venture]

This was embarrassing

[Kargo Warrior]

What a phenomenal performance by Pacman...he absolutelly destroyed De La Hoya.

Amazing speed,head movement,power...unbelievable perfomance.

[The Game]

Pac Man, humiliated DLH very badly what a great performance

PAC MAN 4 EVER

[Poetic Chaos]

that was the biggest Mexicution I've ever seen. Best $56 I've ever spent.

[Assassin32]

That goddamned fight RUINED the party I threw last night. Everyone was in a terrible mood after we had to watch a listless De La Hoya get killed by Manny's speed. Anyone who still thinks that Joe Calzaghe is #1 pound-for-pound is retarded, and it's time for Oscar to hang 'em up. He got old in one night. I cried.

[Ziggyman]

Manny! My boy!

I myself am Filipino kid and come from Toronto which has a pretty big Filipino community and watching the fight was amazing...The atmosphere at my house was crazy!

Pac Man was amazing yesterday...Way too fast for that geezer Oscar! Way too fast!

"Manny's reconfiguring Oscar's beautiful face!" Hahahaha! Manny shut Oscar's eye for the rest of his life baby!

Diaz (Manny's last fight in the summer) even put up a better fight!

I'm scared for a Hatton fight though...

[Poetic Chaos]

Manny! My boy!

I myself am Filipino kid and come from Toronto which has a pretty big Filipino community and watching the fight was amazing...The atmosphere at my house was crazy!

We were all in different cities but everyone in my family watched it. It was mandatory viewing for filipinos. Pretty much every filipino, family or friend, I called after the fight answered the phone "oh my God!"

[Nightmare]

That goddamned fight RUINED the party I threw last night. Everyone was in a terrible mood after we had to watch a listless De La Hoya get killed by Manny's speed. Anyone who still thinks that Joe Calzaghe is #1 pound-for-pound is retarded, and it's time for Oscar to hang 'em up. He got old in one night. I cried.

Sorry man, yeah i was pretty disappointed too. I did not see it ending up like that. Wow, that was total domination.

[Excel]

I missed it, but it was obvious who was going to win all along. Oscars been a choke artist forever.

[Kargo Warrior]

''Floyd Mayweather plans return for Manny Pacquiao''

Floyd Mayweather Jr. wants to fight again and has reached out to his father about returning in a training capacity after their estrangement for most of the last eight years, family members said Monday.

Janelle Mayweather, the boxer's cousin, told family members he called her early Sunday morning -- moments after Manny Pacquiao's stirring win over Oscar De La Hoya on Saturday night in Las Vegas -- and stated his hopes to fight again and reunite with his father.

"My niece said my son told her he wanted to fight Pacquiao next, and that he wants me to train him for the fight," Mayweather Sr. said.


Bernice Mayweather said she was not surprised to hear her grandson -- a five-division champion with a 39-0 record, who last fought Dec. 8, 2007 -- wants to return to the ring.

"I always said he was going to fight again," she said. "It was just a matter of time. He was waiting until the time is right. And the time is right. I knew he was going to come out of retirement -- he did it before, didn't he?"

Janelle Mayweather disclosed her conversation with Mayweather Jr. to family members Sunday at Bernice Mayweather's home on the southeast side. She did not return a telephone message seeking comment.

Latisha Starling, another cousin of the boxer's, also was at Sunday's family get-together.

Starling said she was on the phone with Janelle Mayweather throughout the Pacquiao-De La Hoya fight, "kind of giving her play-by-play."

"Right after the fight ended and I hung up, Janelle said her phone rang again and she thought it was me. But it was Little Floyd, saying he wanted to fight Pacquiao and he had to get in touch with his father," Starling said.

Fatimah Mayweather, the boxer's sister, also told family members she received a call from her brother, hoping to discuss resuming a working relationship with Mayweather Sr.



http://www.mlive.com/boxing/index.ssf/2008/12/mayweather_sr_floyd_wants_me_t.html

[Poetic Chaos]

Pacman is gonna have a 3 match streak of retiring fighters. First de la Hoya, next Hatton and Mayweather.

[Assassin32]

Did anyone really believe Mayweather was retired for good? No. He was just waiting for the next worthy challenger to break through and make a monster payday a possibility. If Cotto hadn't been raped by Margarito this summer I think it was set to be him, but now Manny gets the opportunity because of the way he beat De La Hoya and his intercontinental popularity.

[BlackLantern]

I read Manny is dropping down to his previous weight....says he just came up in weight for the Oscar fight

[Assassin32]

The second part is true, but he's not going back to Lightweight just yet. Pacquiao's already scheduled to fight Ricky Hatton at 140 on May 2nd.

[BlackLantern]

He is going to beat Hatton like a drum....I know Hatton is a guy who can take a beating but this is going to be ugly

[Assassin32]

No doubt. Hatton's overrated.

[3dman27]

just a couple of more weeks till ESPN FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS returns

[BlackLantern]

Pacquiao has agreed to fight Hatton...and the Margarito/Mosley fight is on tonight in front of a sold out crowd at the Staples Center....

[Ziggyman]

May 2nd can't come any faster...

To a pretty proud Filipino...me!

[BlackLantern]

Mosley is letting Margarito have it....

[The Game]

wow, Shane Ko'd him, im a big Mosley fan but I never expected that, but I am happy

Anybody still think Margarito would beat Floyd

[Iron_Stark]

He is going to beat Hatton like a drum....I know Hatton is a guy who can take a beating but this is going to be ugly

LOL, That's really unlikely. Paquaio's not fighting an over the hill fighter (Barerra/Morales) or a weight drained zombie (Oscar).

No one's going to get beaten like a drum, it will be a competetive fight.

Hatton's going to get the win.

No doubt. Hatton's overrated.

No he's not. Just because he lost to Mayweather doesn't mean he's overrated. He's still the king at 140.

[Iron_Stark]

wow, Shane Ko'd him, im a big Mosley fan but I never expected that, but I am happy

Anybody still think Margarito would beat Floyd

Mosley/Mayweather needs to get made.

[Ziggyman]

It will be a tough fight for both...

Hatton's a brawler...While I think we all can agree Manny is more tactical and smarter...

Manny used to be a brawler...And because of the new gameplan, he's kinda lost his edge, he eases up at the end too much...

[BlackLantern]

people have said Hattons biggest handicap is discipline, he likes to drink and party in the weeks during his training....stamina is what hurts him and Manny can go a full 12 if needed...

[Scooter]

people have said Hattons biggest handicap is discipline, he likes to drink and party in the weeks during his training....stamina is what hurts him and Manny can go a full 12 if needed...
:huh:

Stamina isn't one of Hatton's weakpoints. If anything, he's famous for coming on strong at the end of fights, and fighting 3 minutes of every round. He does let himself go in between fights, and it will catch up to him eventually (if it hasn't started too already,) but there's been no indication of him faltering down the stretch. To say "stamina is what hurts him" is to not know Ricky Hatton.

The weakest points of Hatton's game are his overzealousness in jumping in to land his left (usually with his hands down), and his paper thin skin. He's been working with Mayweather Sr. for a little while now, so hopefully that will button up his defense. And with his quick feet (just as fast as Pacquiao's, arguably), upper-body strength and mauling offense, he could make Pac very uncomfortable on the inside. But Pac will catch Hatton coming in more than once, and, if I had to bet, I'd go with Pac on cuts. But it should be a great fight.

[The Game]

people have said Hattons biggest handicap is discipline, he likes to drink and party in the weeks during his training....stamina is what hurts him and Manny can go a full 12 if needed...

And what Ricky can't? at 140 Hatton is a beast and can hang with the best of them, I remember people saying Tyszu would wipe the floor with him

Mosley/Mayweather needs to get made.

It should have happend years ago, I think Floyd will fight the winner of Hatton v Pacman, then really call it a day

[Iron_Stark]

people have said Hattons biggest handicap is discipline, he likes to drink and party in the weeks during his training....stamina is what hurts him and Manny can go a full 12 if needed...


Manny drinks and parties as much as Hatton, maybe even more.

I've never seen Hatton tire out in the championship rounds.

[BlackLantern]

Ive seen his last 3 fights and, to me, he just looks gassed in the later rounds...I can see his fight with Manny going 10 or 11....I think the fight ends in a TKO though

[Assassin32]

No he's not. Just because he lost to Mayweather doesn't mean he's overrated. He's still the king at 140.

I'm not calling him overrated because he lost to Mayweather; everybody does that. 140 is an incredibly untalented division at the moment, because everybody either moves up to 147 or stays at 135. Being the king there is nothing special. Hatton's good, no doubt, but not as good as his forty plus wins against one loss might have you believe. You could argue Luis Collazo beat him, and he looked terrible against that one Mexican guy he fought most recently whose name escapes me at the moment. And I still maintain that Kostya Tsyzu was defeated mentally by that English crowd.

Pacman's gonna blow him up. Should be fun, though.

[BlackLantern]

anohther great fight last night....Jim Lampley needs to call every boxing match ever...

[Iceman/Psylocke]

If Pacman beats Hatton...Pacman Vs Mayweather will finally be on the cards!

[Dark Donnie]

Anyone watching 24/7? Such a great show. So many good things...Liev Schreiber narration for one.

I really like both fighters, but I think Pac Man has this one again.

[Ziggyman]

Just one more week for my boy!!!

[Assassin32]

Did anybody see Froch come back to destroy Taylor? That was NASTY. Fight of the year so far.

[BlackLantern]

Did anybody see Froch come back to destroy Taylor? That was NASTY. Fight of the year so far.

really?? I figured Taylor would win in a decision

[The Game]

Did anybody see Froch come back to destroy Taylor? That was NASTY. Fight of the year so far.

I did, Taylor is a freaking bum what athelte at that level has such poor stamina. As for Froch he better leave JoeCal alone because he would get beat badly by him

[Poetic Chaos]

Fight night tonight! Go Manny!

[BlackLantern]

It will be a good one...I like Manny for this, but it's been a while since he's fought anyone that hits as hard as Hatton....but Hatton can get gassed in later rounds

[The Game]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

Ricky is done, I never expected this, Floyd sr has ruined Hatton

[TheFuture]

My brother, who is a boxing coach, already worships the ground that Freddie Roach walks on. I imagine he's creaming himself after that result.http://static.boards.ie/vbulletin/images/custom/black/smilies/biggrin.gif

And who's the joke coach now Floyd sr.?:cwink: I don't know what Floyd sr. is so bigged up for because Hatton played right into the Pacman's gameplan. Pathetic.

[The Game]

Hatton was just poor no defence, no head movement, hands held low WTFreak was going on in the training camp?

[TheFuture]

Hatton was just poor no defence, no head movement, hands held low WTFreak was going on in the training camp?

Who knows man. Either Floyd sr. was talking **** about Ricky adapting his style to handle the Pacman or Ricky just threw away eight weeks of training. That was typical Hatton, gun ho and that just played right into the hands of Manny. I didn't see any change in Ricky's style.:whatever:

At least we have Mayweather =v= Pacman to look forward to now.:woot:

[BlackLantern]

Mayweather will probably fight some bum in July....I don't see Mayweather-Pacman happening until late this year or early next year

[TheFuture]

Mayweather will probably fight some bum in July....I don't see Mayweather-Pacman happening until late this year or early next year

Mayweather is fighting Marquez in July, and the winner of that fight has been hotly touted as the opponent of tonights winner.

[Kargo Warrior]

Marquez has a decent chance against PBF so don't count on PBF Manny yet.

Anyway,in regards to Hatton's inability to adjust from his former style...that's a very difficult thing to do,that's why boxers are advised to learn proper defence and footwork when they are starting since fundamental errors like that are almost impossible to change.

He is doing great in training because the adrenaline is down,in a controled enviroment and he can control his thoughts...once the fight starts and he takes a shot it all goes down the drain.

He was trained by his old trainer for 13 years...there's only so much Mayweather can do to change that.

Even though i'm fairly certain most of the people would love to see PBF and Manny...i would be extatic to see Marquez pulling up the upset and making one of the greatest re-remaches in history.

[R_3]

Alright, Manny wins! I was surprised at how quickly he destroyed Ricky. Bring on Money Mayweather Jr!

[The Game]

Mayweather will probably fight some bum in July....I don't see Mayweather-Pacman happening until late this year or early next year

JMM is not a bum

Marquez has a decent chance against PBF so don't count on PBF Manny yet.

Anyway,in regards to Hatton's inability to adjust from his former style...that's a very difficult thing to do,that's why boxers are advised to learn proper defence and footwork when they are starting since fundamental errors like that are almost impossible to change.

He is doing great in training because the adrenaline is down,in a controled enviroment and he can control his thoughts...once the fight starts and he takes a shot it all goes down the drain.

He was trained by his old trainer for 13 years...there's only so much Mayweather can do to change that.

Even though i'm fairly certain most of the people would love to see PBF and Manny...i would be extatic to see Marquez pulling up the upset and making one of the greatest re-remaches in history.

I told people the same thing, once Ricky gets hit he will revert back to what he knows

[BlackLantern]

Marquez is a good fighter....I wish him the best against Floyd

[BlackLantern]

JMM is not a bum

I just heard this morning that Floyd was returning in July...I wasn't aware an opponent had already been set

[TheFuture]

Marquez has a decent chance against PBF so don't count on PBF Manny yet.

Anyway,in regards to Hatton's inability to adjust from his former style...that's a very difficult thing to do,that's why boxers are advised to learn proper defence and footwork when they are starting since fundamental errors like that are almost impossible to change.

He is doing great in training because the adrenaline is down,in a controled enviroment and he can control his thoughts...once the fight starts and he takes a shot it all goes down the drain.

He was trained by his old trainer for 13 years...there's only so much Mayweather can do to change that.

Even though i'm fairly certain most of the people would love to see PBF and Manny...i would be extatic to see Marquez pulling up the upset and making one of the greatest re-remaches in history.

Very true in all respects. Although I'd be leaning towards Mayweather -v- Pacqiau, I'm aware that Marquez is one of the best in the business too. However way it goes, you can guarentee that it will be an epic fight unlike tonight's overhyped embarassment.

And yup I know it's tough for boxers to change their style after so many years, I'm just perplexed at Ricky's gameplan. I can't imagine Floyd sr. trained him to go gun ho against Manny. Freddie Roach was spot on, Ricky's aggression would be the undoing of him.



I told people the same thing, once Ricky gets hit he will revert back to what he knows


The thing that gets me about it though is that the second the bell rang I was wondering why the hell Ricky was going after Manny so aggressively. It wasn't even a case of Ricky being rattled and then reverting to what he knows best as he started the fight in that manner. Crazy tactics.

[Kargo Warrior]

Well Mayweather was telling Ricky in the corner after the 1 round to keep his composure,move his head,keep his hands up and not rush...he said something along the lines of ''what have we been working on from day 1,what are you doing?''

So i don't think it's the coach's fault at all...watch a PBF fight for example,he always follows the advice they give him between rounds but he has been taught like that since he was a kid so it's an instinct.

BTW the incredible thing is,we're now left with the current #1 p4p fighter awaiting the match-up between the former #1 and the current #2 p4p.

It doesn't get any better than this...however it turns out,we're having two great match-ups.

[Poetic Chaos]

Wow. That was one of the most vicious knockouts I've ever seen. Right on the friggin button. The way he just collapsed made it look it even worse. Epic. It's good to be filipino tonight:woot:

[snakeinthegear]

Yeah, I don't know what Hatton was thinking and then to be laid out like that, flat on his back was just embarassing.

[Dark Donnie]

If anyone watched 24/7, Roach was watching Hatton's previous fight and basically said the same thing. "He hasn't changed at all". Mayweather Sr. throughout training was preaching defense, and it took Hatton about 10 seconds to throw that out the window.

[Nightmare]

Manny-Mayweather is a dream matchup. Id pay 69.95 for that fight. I hope it happens. Hopefully around december. Im also pumped for Mayweather coming back.

[Kargo Warrior]

Bob Arum just stated that if Cotto beats Clottey....we get Cotto Pacman in December.

He's both of these guys' promoter so it's quite possible to happen.

[Nightmare]

So im guessing Cotto would move down to about 140 to fight pacquiao?

[Kargo Warrior]

So im guessing Cotto would move down to about 140 to fight pacquiao?


I really doubt he would go down that much...probably a catch weight at 145.

[Nightmare]

Yeah, I thought Cotto was kinda too big for Pacman. But Arum would be dumb not to help promote a Pacquaio-Mayweather fight. That would be huge.

[Kargo Warrior]

The money % is the biggest problem....Mayweather wants at least a 50-50% while Arum wants 60%-40% Pac.

It will be a very difficult fight to make.

[Ziggyman]

NeedI say more about my Filipino bretheren!?

[BlackLantern]

HBO just showed the Pacquiao/Hatton fight....Ricky got knocked retarded

[3dman27]

will espn have two nights of boxing this summer wensday night fights han't started yet will it be on this year?

[Assassin32]

Looks like Pacman and Cotto have started negotiations for a fight in November... damn it.

[Nightmare]

Sweet, cotto vs pacman.

My bro kept telling me he heard Mosely vs Pacman.

Id rather see that, especially with how bad Cotto looked this past weekend. Oh well.

[Ziggyman]

I'd prefer Pacman lay off and wait for Mayweather...

[BlackLantern]

Manny is going to fight Mayweather....it will probably happen next summer then

[Poetic Chaos]

If Mayweather's body isn't breaking down like it already looks to be doing in training. I kinda hope Manny does fight Cotto at 147 so he can break the record for most titles in different weight divisions (I believe he's currently tied with De La Hoya at 6).

[Ziggyman]

November 14th baby!

Bring on Cotto!

[TheFuture]

Just found out that my brothers are going to Vegas for the Mayweather/Marquez fight. Damn my lack of funds! :cmad:

[Ziggyman]

Just found out that my brothers are going to Vegas for the Mayweather/Marquez fight. Damn my lack of funds! :cmad:
Hahaha...my man...when's the fight again...?

[TheFuture]

Hahaha...my man...when's the fight again...?

It's in September, I can't remember what date my brother said. It should be an epic fight, a real fight that has two fighters knocking the stuffing out of each other round after round.

It won't be over in round 2, that's for sure. Unlike back in May when I stayed up until 5am only to see Ricky Hatton get obliterated by Manny in two rounds. :hehe:

[Ziggyman]

It's in September, I can't remember what date my brother said. It should be an epic fight, a real fight that has two fighters knocking the stuffing out of each other round after round.

It won't be over in round 2, that's for sure. Unlike back in May when I stayed up until 5am only to see Ricky Hatton get obliterated by Manny in two rounds. :hehe:
Alright, thanks man!

Hahaha, Hatton...what an event that was at my house man...!

[TheFuture]

Alright, thanks man!

Hahaha, Hatton...what an event that was at my house man...!

That fight against Pacquiao was just unreal, it was like Ricky threw 6 weeks of training out the window and just panicked.

I hope Hatton retires and stays firmly away from any enticing offers thrown at him by Amir Khan and his camp.

[Ziggyman]

That fight against Pacquiao was just unreal, it was like Ricky threw 6 weeks of training out the window and just panicked.

I hope Hatton retires and stays firmly away from any enticing offers thrown at him by Amir Khan and his camp.
Were ya rootin' for Hatton...? Being from around the same area as him...?

[TheFuture]

Were ya rootin' for Hatton...? Being from around the same area as him...?

Ha ha well I'm from Dublin, Ireland and Hatton is from Manchester, England so we are not exactly from the same area. :oldrazz:

Against Mayweather I was firmly in Ricky's camp. However against Manny I was neutral, I just found it incredibly difficult to cheer against Manny Pacquiao and Freddie Roach. They are such humble and likeable characters.

[Ziggyman]

Ha ha well I'm from Dublin, Ireland and Hatton is from Manchester, England so we are not exactly from the same area. :oldrazz:

Against Mayweather I was firmly in Ricky's camp. However against Manny I was neutral, I just found it incredibly difficult to cheer against Manny Pacquiao and Freddie Roach. They are such humble and likeable characters.

Hahaha...well ya know...I'm from Toronto, Ontario, Canada but I consider say an Olympian from Calgary, which is a different province in Canada, as a hometowner :cwink::oldrazz:

Well, we Filipino's are quite humble!!!:whatever:

Woo...Hatton sucks...Cotto sucks...Mayweather sucks...and Manny's the best...Woo!:oldrazz::hehe:

[Poetic Chaos]

What a freaking beatdown. Marquez's punches didn't phase Mayweather, on the few occasions they even landed. This has me worried about Manny's punching power if/when he fights Mayweather. Cotto will be a good test, being a true 147, to see if Pacman packs enough for the larger fighers.

[B]

Awesome Performance from Mayweather, Marquez is a good fighter & Mayweather made him look like an amateur. The only positive Marquez can take the from the fight is that he went the distance after taking some round after round of demoralising jabs from Mayweather.

On a side note after the post-match interview antics, I hope Floyd takes on Mosley & takes him out. I thought it was kinda disrespectful of him to get in Mayweathers face at the end..

Have Calzaghe at ringside to whoop that asswipe Hopkins ass again if he starts flappin his gums.

Overall great fight was very entertained I thought Mayweather fought superbly, outclassed his opponent in every way :up:

[louiebling$]

All I know is Mayweather is afraid of Mosley :o

[BlackLantern]

I don't think he's afraid....I think he knows how to generate interest by reacting a certain way to a situation...Mayweather is an entertainer as well, he knows that a lot of what generates interest in boxing is the hype

[Ziggyman]

All I know is Mayweather is afraid of Mosley :o
Don't know about that...but I do know that a while back that Mayweather could have gone after Pacman but chose Hatton instead...

[Mistress Gluon]

I was pissed I didn't get to see the Klitschko-Arreola fight. :o

But now that Vitali's on top, I sure hope he and Wladmir put aside that silly, "no fight" clause, and slug it out after they beat down Valuev. :o

[3dman27]

I was pissed I didn't get to see the Klitschko-Arreola fight. :o

But now that Vitali's on top, I sure hope he and Wladmir put aside that silly, "no fight" clause, and slug it out after they beat down Valuev. :o

i think they do that to keep peace in the family

[Mistress Gluon]

Screw it. Vitali/Wladmir fight. I wanna see it anyway.

If!

Vitali didn't have that surgery, bad shoulder, and four years of not fighting. :(

[BlackLantern]

I really don't want to see them fight either....that should be something thats done at the end of one of their careers

[BlackLantern]

I need to see Mosely fight again

[BlackLantern]

edit DP

[Mistress Gluon]

I'd rather them fight now, while they're still actually good, than when they're just shells.

[Assassin32]

It always surprises me when people call for a fight between the Klitschko brothers If any of you actually knew what it was really like to be in the ring with another man, you would never even dream of a Klitschko showdown.

[Mistress Gluon]

Because I've never been in a boxing ring with another man, that suddenly disqualifies me from having the intellectual capacity to decide whether a Klitschko fight is worth seeing or not? o.o

I 'unno. That leaves way to many an odd argument.

[Fresh Prince]

Cannot wait for Roy Jones/Hopkins.

[Fresh Prince]

I don't think he's afraid....I think he knows how to generate interest by reacting a certain way to a situation...Mayweather is an entertainer as well, he knows that a lot of what generates interest in boxing is the hype

Which is why Boxing sucks now, the fights should be good not the hype.

[Nightmare]

They both fight december 2nd, then will match up. A rematch almost 20 years later!

[Fresh Prince]

Like Hopkins to win in 10 rounds. KO!!!!!

[BlackLantern]

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Which is why Boxing sucks now, the fights should be good not the hype.

but with boxings popularity on the wane....you have to do things to get people even slightly interested

[Fresh Prince]

I understand that Lantern, but try to get good fighters again, so the sport can rise back up and be good like it once was. I mean the golden age is long gone, so we need a silver age.

[3dman27]

I understand that Lantern, but try to get good fighters again, so the sport can rise back up and be good like it once was. I mean the golden age is long gone, so we need a silver age.

as a fight fan i can say AMEN to that

[Fresh Prince]

And hopefully we get true fighters again and not over hyped Mike Tyson's.

[Assassin32]

Because I've never been in a boxing ring with another man, that suddenly disqualifies me from having the intellectual capacity to decide whether a Klitschko fight is worth seeing or not? o.o

Honestly, it disqualifies you from being able to understand the emotions in that ring. It's nothing like anything else in this world. Two brothers of their stature on that stage . . . no way.

[Fresh Prince]

Who would win a fight like that?

[Nightmare]

Any new up and coming fighters I should know about?

[Iron_Stark]

Showtime's Super Six tournament starts this Saturday, can't wait for that.

I'm picking Abraham and Dirrell to win.

These fights are what the media needs to be covering, not Mayweather's snoozefests.

[Assassin32]

Abraham for sure; Froch/Direll is a pick 'em fight, I think, so I'm really excited for that one.

[Fresh Prince]

Showtime's Super Six tournament starts this Saturday, can't wait for that.

I'm picking Abraham and Dirrell to win.

These fights are what the media needs to be covering, not Mayweather's snoozefests.

Mayweather is too overrated for my taste.

So what are the best divisions in boxing these days?

[Iron_Stark]

Welterweight and the super Middleweights IMO.

Paquiao/Cotto/Mosley/Margarito(if he can get licensed again)/Berto/Clottey would all make terrific fights. And Mayweather if he ever decides to nut up and fight true welters.

[Hound55]

Only heavyweight bout I really give a **** about seeing is Hay vs Klitschko... either Klitschko...

Hay's my guy to maybe bring back some legitimacy to the division... but he'll need someone to fight...

[Assassin32]

Can we talk about how devastating King Arthur's kayo of Taylor was? I picked Abraham to win the whole thing from the get-go, and I think I'm on the right track.

[Fresh Prince]

Welterweight and the super Middleweights IMO.

Paquiao/Cotto/Mosley/Margarito(if he can get licensed again)/Berto/Clottey would all make terrific fights. And Mayweather if he ever decides to nut up and fight true welters.

Thanks for telling me.

[Ziggyman]

Oh my gosh...it's almost here...as we get closer and closer...I get more and more scared!

[Poetic Chaos]

History tonight people! Pacquiao will be the most accomplished fighter of this era if he can win a record 7th title in a 7th weight division.

[Ziggyman]

Ey...Fight Night baby!

Let's Go Pac-Man!

[Kargo Warrior]

War Cotto!

[Jecht]

Pacquiao wins!

[Jecht]

Pacquiao wins!:wow::wow::wow:

[Poetic Chaos]

Unbelievable. There is no better in the business. There never was.

[Kargo Warrior]

Unbelievable. There is no better in the business. There never was.

Ok now let's not jump the shark...he's amazing but the best of all time?

No.

Anyway,brilliant performance by Pac and a courageous performance by Cotto...bring on Mayweather.

[Fresh Prince]

Ok now let's not jump the shark...he's amazing but the best of all time?

No.

Anyway,brilliant performance by Pac and a courageous performance by Cotto...bring on Mayweather.

Agreed...ton of fighters better then him....Mayweather might ***** out you know he likes to fight the bum fighters.