The Iowa Caucus thread...

[Matt]

Well, we should start getting results within a few hours. Pretty exciting times, huh? Experts are predicting record turn outs for the Iowa Caucus.

Although, I don't think the Iowa Caucus is as important to Republicans as it normally is. Regardless of who takes Iowa, this will still be anyone's race for Republicans.

Democrats on the other hand...If Hilary wins Iowa...she pretty much has the primary locked. If Obama upsets Hilary...it will be a 2 person race (Obama vs Hilary) that should be decided on Super Duper Tuesday. If Edwards wins...well...then this whole thing becomes a lot more interesting.

What are everyone's thoughts?

[cookiva]

If Edwards wins, I think Obama is going to have to work really hard, whereas Hillary can come back easier. Obama wins, then Edwards is gone, and Hilary has her work cut out for her. Hilary wins, god forbid, Obama and Edwards are done, and we will all die.

[Matt]

That sums it up pretty well. If Obama wins and Edwards comes in second, he may still have a chance, but really the only thing that could save his campaign would be the death of his wife, as morbid as it is to say. If Edwards wins...then he has a real shot. If he can take South Carolina, or place highly in New Hampshire especially. Super Duper Tuesday consists mostly of Southern and Middle states, which gives him an edge over the other two.

[bell110]

What if Paul does "better then expected"?

What time does this end BTW?

[cookiva]

I would love to see Obama place first, and Edwards second. I would love Edwards to jump up, but numbers now have Obama at 32%, Edwards 27% and Clinton 24% according to Reuters. The only thing I dont like about Obama is his health care ideas. Some balance such as Edwards on his ticket would be amazing....

[Steve Rogers]

I want to see Richardson win it, but if not (and that is unlikely) then Edwards. Sorry, I am not buying into the media's idea that the race is only between Hilary and Obama and has been for some time.

[cookiva]

What if Paul does "better then expected"?

What time does this end BTW?

What would be better than expected? 3rd? He wont get second or higher, and a 3rd place finish wouldnt help him too much. McCain has NH tied down, and with Romney a northeastern guy, he will place high there. Huckabee finishes 1st or 2nd in Iowa, he will place high in NH. Paul isnt going anywhere in this election.

[cookiva]

I want to see Richardson win it, but if not (and that is unlikely) then Edwards. Sorry, I am not buying into the media's idea that the race is only between Hilary and Obama and has been for some time.

The past few weeks I have been reading up on Edwards, and I love the guy more and more. I would love to see him win.

[Steve Rogers]

The past few weeks I have been reading up on Edwards, and I love the guy more and more. I would love to see him win.My grandmother works for his campaign. Everytime I talk to her I get an earful of pro Edwardsness. She sold me.

[cookiva]

My grandmother works for his campaign. Everytime I talk to her I get an earful of pro Edwardsness. She sold me.

Ive been working on grassroots Kucinich info down here, but as you would be able to see, Kucinich isnt really the most popular in Texas. Im thinking when NH passes, Kucinich will drop out, and I will work for the Edwards camp.

[Matt]

I would love to see Obama place first, and Edwards second. I would love Edwards to jump up, but numbers now have Obama at 32%, Edwards 27% and Clinton 24% according to Reuters. The only thing I dont like about Obama is his health care ideas. Some balance such as Edwards on his ticket would be amazing....

I dunno, primary polling is historically inaccurate...so I'd say it is still anyone's game in Iowa. Keep in mind, a lot of people going for Obama in these polls, traditionally don't vote. Still, Obama first, Edwards second, and Clinton third would certainly create an interesting scenario.

[Steve Rogers]

I love how Matt made this a sticky.

[Matt]

What if Paul does "better then expected"?

What time does this end BTW?

3rd is his best case scenario and it doesn't help him much.

[Matt]

I love how Matt made this a sticky.

Well, why not? Its an important topic for our entire country.

[Steve Rogers]

Well, why not? Its an important topic for our entire country.You're right it is. Which is why I love it. Not the SHH awards or any rules or something like that, but the future of our nation is a sticky. I like that.

[cookiva]

You're right it is. Which is why I love it. Not the SHH awards or any rules or something like that, but the future of our nation is a sticky. I like that.

I also like how Matt is the only mod who would do that.

1 hour left...

Probably find out who wins the caucus in 3 hours...

[Steve Rogers]

I also like how Matt is the only mod who would do that.Oh yeah. He's all about the election. He's like the CNN of the Hype.

[bell110]

3rd is his best case scenario and it doesn't help him much.

You have to be optimistic :up:

Actually I'd be very suprised if he got 3rd, and I think it would help him alot. People who originally shrugged him off might take notice.

As for Dems, anyone BUT Hillary.

[StorminNorman]

What if Paul does "better then expected"?

What time does this end BTW?

For Paul "better than expected" is fourth or fifth - not exactly momentum building.

[cookiva]

You have to be optimistic :up:

Actually I'd be very suprised if he got 3rd, and I think it would help him alot. People who originally shrugged him off might take notice.

As for Dems, anyone BUT Hillary.

3rd isnt even enough for him, maybe not even 2nd. He would have to place a solid 1st to gain national TV momentum.

[StorminNorman]

I would love to see Obama place first, and Edwards second. I would love Edwards to jump up, but numbers now have Obama at 32%, Edwards 27% and Clinton 24% according to Reuters. The only thing I dont like about Obama is his health care ideas. Some balance such as Edwards on his ticket would be amazing....

Primary polls are nothing to swear buy - Caucus polls are far worse still. If Obama is banking on high youth turnout - for example - his campaign is in trouble.

I have heard that there are suppose to be projected low voter turn out for Republicans - which will benefit Romney.

I truly believe that if Romney wins tonight, he wins it all.

[cookiva]

Primary polls are nothing to swear buy - Caucus polls are far worse still. If Obama is banking on high youth turnout - for example - his campaign is in trouble.

I have heard that there are suppose to be projected low voter turn out for Republicans - which will benefit Romney.

I truly believe that if Romney wins tonight, he wins it all.

Oh, Im not going off of that with my life.


BTW, anyone else love how Rudy is so far off the charts???

[Steve Rogers]

3rd isnt even enough for him, maybe not even 2nd. He would have to place a solid 1st to gain national TV momentum.Who? Paul? I thought he was already the media darling. Time magizine bills him as a cross between Cinderella, Thomas Jefferson and the Second Coming of Christ. I don't see it, but that's what I've seen via the media.

[Steve Rogers]

BTW, anyone else love how Rudy is so far off the charts???Yes. Yes I do.

[StorminNorman]

Oh, Im not going off of that with my life.


BTW, anyone else love how Rudy is so far off the charts???

Rudy gave up on Iowa long ago - which makes sense since he never had a chance in an area where religion is a very large factor in Republican minds.

[Matt]

3rd isnt even enough for him, maybe not even 2nd. He would have to place a solid 1st to gain national TV momentum.

And to paraphrase StorminNorman, even if Paul did get national attention, he'd only use it to make an ass of himself to most voters.

[StorminNorman]

Who? Paul? I thought he was already the media darling. Time magizine bills him as a cross between Cinderella, Thomas Jefferson and the Second Coming of Christ. I don't see it, but that's what I've seen via the media.

The Press loves and hates him. Hates him because they disagree with him - love him because they can use his 30 second sound bites for comedy.

While Paul's platform is possibly fantastic, it comes off horrible when he has no time to really explain it and where he comes from.

[Matt]

Oh yeah. He's all about the election. He's like the CNN of the Hype.

I also like how Matt is the only mod who would do that.

Heh thanks guys, I'm glad you approve :up:

[StorminNorman]

And to paraphrase StorminNorman, even if Romney did get national attention, he'd only use it to make an ass of himself to most voters.

*Paul :o :woot:

Romney's Bruce Campbell like Sexiness always helps him when he gets on TV :word:

[bell110]

3rd isnt even enough for him, maybe not even 2nd. He would have to place a solid 1st to gain national TV momentum.

No way. Right now, people see him as a Perot or Nader, just another crazy guy tring to be president. If he pulls third, ahead of other "normal" candidates, it will turn heads. Even during the debates, he was getting good amount of coverage compared to how much screen time he got.

[cookiva]

*Paul :o :woot:

Romney's Bruce Campbell like Sexiness always helps him when he gets on TV :word:

I cant wait till someone in Romney's camp tells him to go to an NRA meeting and say "This....is my BOOMSTICK!".

[Matt]

Primary polls are nothing to swear buy - Caucus polls are far worse still. If Obama is banking on high youth turnout - for example - his campaign is in trouble.

I have heard that there are suppose to be projected low voter turn out for Republicans - which will benefit Romney.

I truly believe that if Romney wins tonight, he wins it all.

I agree. Romney wins and he has huge momentum. Huckabee has done his dirty work and neutralized Giuliani. Now if Romney can defeat Huckabee in Iowa, he will kill all momentum in his campaign and pretty much become the definitive front runner.

[cookiva]

No way. Right now, people see him as a Perot or Nader, just another crazy guy tring to be president. If he pulls third, ahead of other "normal" candidates, it will turn heads. Even during the debates, he was getting good amount of coverage compared to how much screen time he got.

He got coverage because the people in the media love to make fun of him.

[Matt]

*Paul :o :woot:

Romney's Bruce Campbell like Sexiness always helps him when he gets on TV :word:

Opps. :csad:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'd vote for him just to ensure that Bruce Campbell can play him in a movie :up:

[StorminNorman]

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[StorminNorman]

I agree. Romney wins and he has huge momentum. Huckabee has done his dirty work and neutralized Giuliani. Now if Romney can defeat Huckabee in Iowa, he will kill all momentum in his campaign and pretty much become the definitive front runner.

Romney may also need Thompson to have a strong showing (as well as Ron Paul even.)

If McCain can fall behind one or both of those candidates - Iowa will end up not helping or even hurting him (especially if the good Doctor finishes above him).

If McCain can come back from being dead not too long ago and come with a strong third place finish - along with his surge in NH - he can possibly even stop Romney's possible Iowa momentum.

[bell110]

He got coverage because the people in the media love to make fun of him.

The media may make fun of him, but he gets his point across.

[cookiva]

McCain doesnt care about Iowa. NH is where his run starts. Now, that was stupid on his part, but its where we will see his jump.

[cookiva]

The media may make fun of him, but he gets his point across.

Ummm, not on TV. He doesnt have enough time. Digg had a video awhile ago of Paul going on a Fox news show, and they just bashed him the entire time. He spoke for about 30 seconds during a 4 minute interview. Online is where his bread and butter is at.

[StorminNorman]

The media may make fun of him, but he gets his point across.

No. He really doesn't. When he is given long amounts of time - he does well. But that almost never happens. Media today is dependent on soundbites which normally make Paul look senile, crazy and out of touch.

Now, keep in mind, I have great appreciation for the Doctor - but that is the truth.

[StorminNorman]

McCain doesnt care about Iowa. NH is where his run starts. Now, that was stupid on his part, but its where we will see his jump.

McCain may not care about Iowa - but a finish behind Paul would be horrible.

[cookiva]

McCain may not care about Iowa - but a finish behind Paul would be horrible.

I see Romney, Huckabee, then a very close contest between McCain, Thompson, and Paul. If McCain is 5th, then damn, he has his work cut out for him....

[bell110]

Alright, I should have said it gets people attention, whether it good or bad. They want to see what he's really about.

[cookiva]

Alright, I should have said it gets people attention, whether it good or bad. They want to see what he's really about.

Uh, no. He barely gets blips on TV. His following is nearly all online. Few people on TV give him the time of day, and when they do, its not during prime time viewing for the majority.

[StorminNorman]

If people hear him and think hes raving - it does't help him at all.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm hoping for Huckabee to win. Mostly because I can't stand Romney with a passion. Hopefully a loss in Iowa will ruin his campaign.

Still rooting for Paul. I think he'll end up doing better than the polls will say (though a top two win in Iowa isn't going to happen, it's going to be either Romney or Huckabee).

[Ghostvirus]

*gets out Obama Rules! sign*

[rdh007]

A sticky for this rules. I'd love to go to Iowa one of these years to see what this is like. Maybe when I retire, which kind of means never. Anyway, I'd like to see Edwards pull something off in Iowa to make it interesting. But outside of that, I'll be rooting for Obama to win and make Super Tuesday something interesting. Though if he takes Iowa, NH looks more possible.

Of the two Republicans competing in Iowa, I'll take Romney because I think he has all his wits about him, and I fear Pastor Huckleberry doesn't.

[StorminNorman]

I'm hoping for Huckabee to win. Mostly because I can't stand Romney with a passion. Hopefully a loss in Iowa will ruin his campaign.

Still rooting for Paul. I think he'll end up doing better than the polls will say (though a top two win in Iowa isn't going to happen, it's going to be either Romney or Huckabee).

What problems do you have with Romney?

[Matt]

Sentinalmind posted these in the other thread...I'm not sure if they are accurate or what? He said they are pre-caucus results :huh:

Pre Iowa Caucus results:

Republican side
Giuliani 5
Huckabee 4
Romney 3
McCain 2
Thompson 1
Paul 0

Democrats:

Edwards 6
Clinton 4
Obama 4
Others 0

[Downhere]

I'm hoping for Huckabee to win. Mostly because I can't stand Romney with a passion. Hopefully a loss in Iowa will ruin his campaign.



Ditto.

[Quietstorm]

ABC News did an entrance poll and they're saying it's Mike Huckabee (leader) and Mitt Romney on the Repub. side, and still a three way race on the Dem's side with Clinton (slight lead), Obama and Edwards

[SentinelMind]

"Early entrance poll results from NBC News showed Huckabee and Romney fighting for first place among Republicans. On the Democratic side, the early entrance poll results show Clinton and Obama with the most initial support." MSNBC.com

hmmm......can Edwards still do it?

[SentinelMind]

OOPS to me.....2 percent reporting....Edwards 42%, Clinton second place, Obama third. according to CNN.

[Matt]

Well, look how good entry and exit polls were in 2000 and 2004.

[Matt]

OOPS to me.....2 percent reporting....Edwards 42%, Clinton second place, Obama third. according to CNN.

Well, only two percent reporting, nothing to get excited about yet.

[StorminNorman]

Fox News had

Huckabee 33% Romney 23% Thompson 17%
Obama - Clinton - Edwards some all about 3-4% a piece.

[StorminNorman]

Of course nothing credibly will come out for another 20 min.

[hippie_hunter]

What problems do you have with Romney?

He comes off as a Republican John Kerry IMO with his flip flopping on issues such as abortion.

[mrvlknight21]

Would love to see Fred Thompson get in.

[SentinelMind]

10 percent reporting

Edwards 34
Clinton 33
Obama 31
Richardson 2

[hippie_hunter]

MSNBC has Huckabee kicking Romney's ass right now with the race for third, fourth, and fifth tight between Thompson (17%), McCain (12%), and Paul (11%).

[Matt]

He comes off as a Republican John Kerry IMO with his flip flopping on issues such as abortion.

I disagree. Natural evolution of ones beliefs should not be seen as a bad thing. Ontop of that, he was the Republican governor of an extremely liberal state. Why shouldn't he adapt his views to better serve those who elected him?

[Matt]

10 percent reporting

Edwards 34
Clinton 33
Obama 31
Richardson 2

Where is your info coming from?

[StorminNorman]

He comes off as a Republican John Kerry IMO with his flip flopping on issues such as abortion.

Kerry's problem was not changing his view on an issue. It was constantly changing his views. Yes, when he was governor of a liberal state - he had more liberal views on certain issues. However is that a bad thing? He is suppose to act in the wishes of the (more liberal) people of his state.

There is no indication that has sense gone back on any of his position since he started running for President (again - why he is not a "John Kerry" of the GOP) plus (what I like best) he has a proven track record of not only cutting the budget, BUT he reduced teh number of state workers while increasing the number of police and other vital state employees.

Since I know you support Ron Paul - I would have to assume you support those moves.

[Matt]

MSNBC has Huckabee kicking Romney's ass right now with the race for third, fourth, and fifth tight between Thompson (17%), McCain (12%), and Paul (11%).

Well, so much for how Paul could actually win it and how raising 4 million in a day is such a huge accomplishment. He was, who were thought he was :csad:

[souvlaki]

10% reporting on the Democrats side.

Edwards- 34%
Clinton- 32%
Obama-31%

Still a ways to go, but the gap is closing in fast.

Nevermind, someone beat me to it. I dunno about Sentinel Mind's numbers, but my numbers were from CNN, Matt.

[Matt]

10% reporting on the Democrats side.

Edwards- 34%
Clinton- 32%
Obama-31%

Still a ways to go, but the gap is closing in fast.

Well, its always been a close gap...hasn't it?

[SentinelMind]

Cnn

[hippie_hunter]

Well, so much for how Paul could actually win it and how raising 4 million in a day is such a huge accomplishment. He was, who were thought he was :csad:

Right now it is still pretty damn early. Huckabee has victory assured by now but his margin of victory could be a bit tighter and the race for third could change pretty quickly.

I'm really hoping that McCain and Paul will end up ahead of Thompson because I really don't like him either.

[souvlaki]

Well, its always been a close gap...hasn't it?

Well, I meant closer compared to the 2% figures.

[hippie_hunter]

Kerry's problem was not changing his view on an issue. It was constantly changing his views. Yes, when he was governor of a liberal state - he had more liberal views on certain issues. However is that a bad thing? He is suppose to act in the wishes of the (more liberal) people of his state.

There is no indication that has sense gone back on any of his position since he started running for President (again - why he is not a "John Kerry" of the GOP) plus (what I like best) he has a proven track record of not only cutting the budget, BUT he reduced teh number of state workers while increasing the number of police and other vital state employees.

Since I know you support Ron Paul - I would have to assume you support those moves.

My problem with Romney is that he seems that he will change his position for political gain. I would have no problem with him if he kept his rather moderate stance, but instead he's trying to pass himself off as this great conservative, which he isn't.

[Matt]

My problem with Romney is that he seems that he will change his position for political gain. I would have no problem with him if he kept his rather moderate stance, but instead he's trying to pass himself off as this great conservative, which he isn't.

But all politicians try to appeal to their bases in the primaries, right?

[SentinelMind]

17 percent reporting

Edwards 34
Clinton 32
Obama 31

it will be close....

will Obama suffer from black politician vs white politician exit polls differ from actual results effect...whatever that is called?

[StorminNorman]

60% of voters from Exit Poll are Evangelical Christians for the Republicans.

Thats huge for Huckabee.

Romney's one high point is that the Iowa city turn out was higher than expected.

[StorminNorman]

My problem with Romney is that he seems that he will change his position for political gain. I would have no problem with him if he kept his rather moderate stance, but instead he's trying to pass himself off as this great conservative, which he isn't.

Huckabee is doing the same thing - except he is trying to pass himself as a conservative on defense (both domestic and foriegn) and he isn't.

[hippie_hunter]

But can a governor really say that they're a conservative on defense?

I think McCain has the advantage right there.

[souvlaki]

23% reporting.

Edwards- 33%
Obama- 32 %
Clinton- 32%

[Matt]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7196453,00.html

[hippie_hunter]

MSNBC has this reporting:

Thompson 14%
McCain: 12%
Paul: 11%

Huckabee is still kicking Romney's ass

[SentinelMind]

McCain is losing to Thompson.....hmmm......won't do him wonder in New Hampshire...where Romney leads

[hippie_hunter]

I think McCain will end up passing Thompson at least.

[SentinelMind]

CNN projects Mike Huckabee will win.....

[StorminNorman]

But can a governor really say that they're a conservative on defense?

I think McCain has the advantage right there.

They can on issues such as handleing Illegal Immigrants.

[hippie_hunter]

They can on issues such as handleing Illegal Immigrants.

But that doesn't concern actual defense. It concerns immigration policy

[souvlaki]

CNN is projecting that Mike Huckabee won the Iowa caucus.

Haha, SentinelMind beat me again. Nevermind.

[StorminNorman]

I think McCain will end up passing Thompson at least.

Not if Fox News's exit polls are to be believed.

If there is a 60% Evangelical vote - that benefits Thompson.

Fox News also reports more "late deciders" favored Thompson than even Romney.

[Matt]

A bold prediction :cwink:

[StorminNorman]

But that doesn't concern actual defense. It concerns immigration policy

They are connected though, especially among Conservative voters.

[Quietstorm]

Mike Huckabee is the projected winner, and Obama is now leading thus far.

All according to ABC News.

[Matt]

CNN has Obama in the lead.

[SentinelMind]

Obama 33
Clinton 32
Edwards 32

33 percent reporting...CNN

[hippie_hunter]

MSNBC projects Huckabee as the winner.

[SentinelMind]

now how much will Huckabee slaughter Romney.....

and will McCain beat Thompson at least?

[Movies205]

Go Huckabee :up:

[hippie_hunter]

now how much will Huckabee slaughter Romney.....

and will McCain beat Thompson at least?

Based on the polls, Huckabee slaughtered Romney completely.

The third place race is still pretty close though so the McCain/Thompson/Paul race is still pretty close.

[StorminNorman]

now how much will Huckabee slaughter Romney.....

and will McCain beat Thompson at least?

Slaughter? Huckabee will end with about a 5% lead with all the factors in Huckabee's favor. No slaughter.

Right now I do not believe McCain will catch Thompson and I think Paul could pass him.

[StorminNorman]

Richardson and Biden are (reportedly) asking supporters to swing to Obama.

[SentinelMind]

CNN with 45 percent reporting

Obama 34
Edwards 32
Clinton 31

rollercoaster ride...

[SentinelMind]

Richardson and Biden are (reportedly) asking supporters to swing to Obama.

source?

[Matt]

Richardson and Biden are (reportedly) asking supporters to swing to Obama.

So they will be dropping out tomorrow, I take it?

[hippie_hunter]

So they will be dropping out tomorrow, I take it?

I'd imagine since they did horribly.

[SentinelMind]

Biden supports Obama over Clinton?......must have promised some Sec State deal.....

[Matt]

Poor Richardson :csad:

[StorminNorman]

So they will be dropping out tomorrow, I take it?

No (not that it matters). In Iowa in the Democratic Caucus - if a candidate does received 15% their voters then have the ability to vote for another canidate.

If the report is true (and this has been denied so far by both camps) Richardson and Biden may be arranging for a future spot in an Obama White House in exchange for votes now.

[Steve Rogers]

Damn it Bill! Oh well...go Edwards

[Steve Rogers]

Poor Richardson :csad:Need a hug?

[SentinelMind]

hmm....50 percent reporting...CNN

Obama 34
Edwards 32
Clinton 31

[StorminNorman]

I am not sure how much this election will hurt Romney. The percentage of Evangelical Christians is completely unheard of - outragous really.

The big thing to watch is where McCain ranks. If McCain ends up sliding below Paul - he could get hurt in New Hampshire, helping Romney.

[Matt]

hmm....50 percent reporting...CNN

Obama 34
Edwards 32
Clinton 31

This scenario could create a very interesting race in New Hampshire and future states. A Hilary loss would be huge. Interesting.

[Matt]

Need a hug?

yes :csad:

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think it matters. I think McCain has New Hampshire now that Romney has lost very badly in Iowa considering all the time and money he spent there.

[SentinelMind]

Guiliani is in fifth place, Ron Paul in sixth....

Ron Paul phenomenon is now officially over.

[Matt]

No (not that it matters). In Iowa in the Democratic Caucus - if a candidate does received 15% their voters then have the ability to vote for another canidate.

If the report is true (and this has been denied so far by both camps) Richardson and Biden may be arranging for a future spot in an Obama White House in exchange for votes now.

Really? I don't like that.

[Steve Rogers]

Obama's creepin' up. So is it official? Huckabee won?

[hippie_hunter]

Guiliani is in fifth place, Ron Paul in sixth....

Ron Paul phenomenon is now officially over.

I'm surprised that Giluiani has so far managed over double digits considering how he completely neglected Iowa.

[Apollo]

it looks like obama is winning now. :)

[Steve Rogers]

yes :csad:Me too since we are two of the three Richardson supporters here.

[hippie_hunter]

Obama's creepin' up. So is it official? Huckabee won?

Huckabee won big time.

[StorminNorman]

I don't think it matters. I think McCain has New Hampshire now that Romney has lost very badly in Iowa considering all the time and money he spent there.

This isn'y a large loss for Romney given the circumstances of this vote. Urban voters have yet to come in (which will be pro-Romney) so the distance between the two candidates will narrow.

If McCain ends up behind Paul - he will get a hit.

[Spider-Bite]

According to the experts, Obama and Hillary can afford to lose Iowa and still come back and win. If Edwards loses, than this is it for him.

[R0rschach]

it looks like obama is winning now. :)

YIHAAAAA!!!!! :grin: :yay: :grin:

[SentinelMind]

65 percent reporting

Obama 35
Clinton 31
Edwards 31

[Apollo]

65 percent reporting

Obama 35
Clinton 31
Edwards 31

huckabee 31

obama's winning with clinton edwards and huckabee tied... tied all in a knot, hehe

[Quietstorm]

it looks like obama is winning now. :)

Crank dat Obama! :o

[hippie_hunter]

According to the experts, Obama and Hillary can afford to lose Iowa and still come back and win. If Edwards loses, than this is it for him.

Yeah, Edwards has to win Iowa because he's not too much of a serious contender for Obama and Clinton outside of that state.

He was a lot like Huckabee IMO, he needs this state for the momentum created.

[R0rschach]

msnbc

59% reporting

obama 35%
edwards 32%
clinton 31%

:grin:

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton in third brings me great pleasure :grin:

[R0rschach]

65 percent reporting

Obama 35
Clinton 31
Edwards 31


Go America, GO!!!!!!111 :woot:

[Quietstorm]

Hilary Clinton is placing THIRD!?

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IA.html

[Matt]

Yeah, Edwards has to win Iowa because he's not too much of a serious contender for Obama and Clinton outside of that state.

He was a lot like Huckabee IMO, he needs this state for the momentum created.

I think if Clinton takes 3rd, Edwards campaign can still be alive on life support.

[SentinelMind]

hmmm...if Clinton comes in third....can we say she's done?

Edwards in second....can he continue from there? against Obama?



Interesting

[Anguissette1979]

How much of an effect do you think Kucinich had directing his caucus-er-people to vote for Obama if eh didn't reach the 15% threshold?

Obama is just a smidge to vague and idealistic for my taste...

[Steve Rogers]

Edwards is my number two...so if Bill is dead in the water, I'd like to see Edwards at least take second. At least he'll have a chance.

[Anguissette1979]

hmmm...if Clinton comes in third....can we say she's done?

Edwards in second....can he continue from there? against Obama?

I worry that Obama would get thrashed in the general election :( I don't want another 4 years of republican rule :(

[SentinelMind]

McCain "what we learn from Iowa....you can't buy an election...and negative ads don't work in Iowa...and they don't work here [New Hampshire]"

takes out popcorn....

[Matt]

hmmm...if Clinton comes in third....can we say she's done?

Edwards in second....can he continue from there? against Obama?



Interesting

Clinton will still be very much alive. Edwards will be on life support, but still in the game if he can pull something together.

[Steve Rogers]

Huckabee's campaign manager is a prick.

[hippie_hunter]

MSNBC projects that Obama has won Iowa.

[R0rschach]

ABC
70% reporting

obama 35%
edwards 31%
clinton 31%

[souvlaki]

hmmm...if Clinton comes in third....can we say she's done?


She's certainly not done. I think she's expecting to clean house on Super Tuesday. However, this will look very bad for her campaign, and will give Obama the momentum he needs to overtake Clinton in the nationwide polls.

[Matt]

NBC gave it to Obama.

[R0rschach]

MSNBC projects that Obama has won Iowa.


Let it be true! :word:

[Quietstorm]

OBAMA WON!

According to ABC News.

[Golgo-13]

Obama has won! :up:

[SentinelMind]

MSNBC just trying to get leg up on CNN...

come on CNN...we're rooting for you!!

CNN 72 percent reporting
Obama at 35

[Anguissette1979]

I know I'll be out to vote next Tuesday.... :up:

[Darkdd]

ABC officially projected Obama to win @ 35% and 31% for both Clinton and Edwards. 70% reporting.

[StorminNorman]

hmmm...if Clinton comes in third....can we say she's done?

Edwards in second....can he continue from there? against Obama?



Interesting

No. Not at all. On both account IMO.

[Spider-Bite]

Obama projected the winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SentinelMind]

the Dems election closer than GOP........yet Obama is at 35 and Huckabee at 31....

[Anguissette1979]

She's certainly not done. I think she's expecting to clean house on Super Tuesday. However, this will look very bad for her campaign, and will give Obama the momentum he needs to overtake Clinton in the nationwide polls.

CNN Is reporting that Richardson told his people to go for Obama if he wasn't viable...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[Apollo]

Fox news

Obama 36% :)
Edwards 31%
Clinton 30%

[Spider-Bite]

NBC gave it to Obama.

And Fox!

[R0rschach]

OBAMA WON!

According to ABC News.


It's on all the sites now.

Well done Iowa, who would have thought this could happen.
Congrats America, we are proud of you. :grin:

[SentinelMind]

72 percent reporting

Obama 35
Edwards 31
Clinton 30

[hippie_hunter]

I feel sorry for Edwards since he's spent years in Iowa and he ended up not only in second place but his campaign is pretty much over.

[StorminNorman]

McCain "what we learn from Iowa....you can't buy an election...and negative ads don't work in Iowa...and they don't work here [New Hampshire]"

takes out popcorn....

Anyone who believes negative adds dont work is a political novice.

I say this not as a teen arguing with a Senator. But as the son of a man who has been involved with elections far longer than McCain has.

Now McCain is correct when he says they don't work in Iowa - Iowa have an absurd sense of self granduer. New Hampshire, however, has a history of welcoming aggressive campaigns.

[Matt]

What amazes me is that so many people can get excited about a man with no platform and no experience can win a presidential caucus :huh: If this were a Republican candidate we would see outrage about how there should be tests to be allowed to vote and the general populace is too stupid to vote (Bush in 2000 and 2004) and yet it is okay for Obama. :huh:

[R0rschach]

msnbc
76 percent reporting

Obama 36
Clinton 31
Edwards 30

[StorminNorman]

the Dems election closer than GOP........yet Obama is at 35 and Huckabee at 31....

Which means...well absolutely nothing.

[Apollo]

Good job Obama!

http://www.forumsextreme.com/imgs1/sHa_clap.gif

[SentinelMind]

Ron Paul is beating Giuliani now.....

how can Giuliani win at all with 4 percent of vote, coming in at SIXTH place?

[Anguissette1979]

What amazes me is that so many people can get excited about a man with no platform and no experience can win a presidential caucus :huh: If this were a Republican candidate we would see outrage about how there should be tests to be allowed to vote and the general populace is too stupid to vote (Bush in 2000 and 2004) and yet it is okay for Obama. :huh:

I'm with you on this one, Matt... the fact that there are campaign stickers out for Obama simply saying "Got Hope?" really turns me off. He's using it as a buzz word the way republican use "freedom". "We need to give America hope that things can be better". Having hope that things will get better is a long way from having the experience to actually MAKE things happen in the federal government.

[Apollo]

Huckabee is gaining, at 34% now

[Apollo]

Clinton and edwards both at 30%, they seem to be coming down as Obama and huckabee go up

[hippie_hunter]

Ron Paul is beating Giuliani now.....

how can Giuliani win at all with 4 percent of vote, coming in at SIXTH place?

Giuliani has 4% simply because he completely ignored Iowa. He's banking on Super Tuesday to get the nomination.

[Golgo-13]

What amazes me is that so many people can get excited about a man with no platform and no experience can win a presidential caucus :huh: If this were a Republican candidate we would see outrage about how there should be tests to be allowed to vote and the general populace is too stupid to vote (Bush in 2000 and 2004) and yet it is okay for Obama. :huh:

Goes to show how utterly sick and tied ppl are of the current state of this country.

Let's face it, Presidents don't run a country, their advisors do. I think Obama will do just fine if he wins.

[Apollo]

Obama now at 37%!

[SentinelMind]

People could switch their registration in Democratic caucus....Republicans can walk into Democratic switch registration that day and switch back the next day....


given that Huckabee won so handily...think Republicans had influence in Dem caucus?

[SentinelMind]

Edwards coming either 2nd or 3rd....and losing by at least 6 points....


where else can he go now? South Carolina? With 1/3 of Democratic electorate is black? Can the guy from state above do it?

[Superman]

Look like Obama has this one in the bag. :up:

[R0rschach]

Goes to show how utterly sick and tied ppl are of the current state of this country.

Let's face it, Presidents don't run a country, their advisors do. I think Obama will do just fine if he wins.


Agreed, Americans need change and want change more then anything else anyone has to offer IMHO.
You guys just go ahead and reboot your politics.
Give someone who seems/looks and sounds fresh a chance to lead.

[Matt]

I'm with you on this one, Matt... the fact that there are campaign stickers out for Obama simply saying "Got Hope?" really turns me off. He's using it as a buzz word the way republican use "freedom". "We need to give America hope that things can be better". Having hope that things will get better is a long way from having the experience to actually MAKE things happen in the federal government.

With no platform and no experience, I can say with the utmost certainty, if Obama were a white male...he would be beneath Kucinich and Dodd in the polls. It is sad, but it is true. People are "mobilized" by him because he is a minority and they want to see themselves as "progressive" and he is charasmatic.

Edwards' campaign is dead...and that pretty much gives the GOP the white house again. I can't see Hilary or Obama beating Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani, or McCain. Edwards was the safe bet, and Democrats in Iowa turned their nose at him and destroyed their chances of winning the White House in my opinion.

[Matt]

Goes to show how utterly sick and tied ppl are of the current state of this country.

Let's face it, Presidents don't run a country, their advisors do. I think Obama will do just fine if he wins.

Obama will maintain the status quo. He will be the lap dog of Nancy Pelosi. Make a few tax raises, and that is about it.

But it is kinda moot as there is not a Republican candidate he can beat.

I'm writing in Bloomberg.

[Apollo]

^ in your opinion :)

[Matt]

Agreed, Americans need change and want change more then anything else anyone has to offer IMHO.
You guys just go ahead and reboot your politics.
Give someone who seems/looks and sounds fresh a chance to lead.

How does Obama completely revamp American politics as people seem to think he will? I challenge one Obama supporter to answer that.

[Anguissette1979]

Edwards' campaign is dead...and that pretty much gives the GOP the white house again. I can't see Hilary or Obama beating Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani, or McCain. Edwards was the safe bet, and Democrats in Iowa turned their nose at him and destroyed their chances of winning the White House in my opinion.

I can (I can hope at least)... I will cry if Huckabee becomes president. :( Romney comes across a sleazy business person a la Craig Benson. Guiliani is just a one-issue doof. I like old McCain (from 2000) but new McCain has not impressed me.

[Matt]

I can (I can hope at least)... I will cry if Huckabee becomes president. :(

Our country is asking for it if Obama wins the primary.

[Matt]

^ in your opinion :)

I think that constantly goes without stating.

[Anguissette1979]

Our country is asking for it if Obama wins the primary.

I think the Kucinich and Richardson defactions had a big part in his win tonight being by ~6%

[hippie_hunter]

I can (I can hope at least)... I will cry if Huckabee becomes president. :( Romney comes across a sleazy business person a la Craig Benson. Guiliani is just a one-issue doof. I like old McCain (from 2000) but new McCain has not impressed me.

I think we'll see old McCain again if he gets the nomination. New McCain tried to appeal to the evangellicals but they rejected that and he's bound to have realised that by now.

[SentinelMind]

I'm sorry....if you're losing to Ron Paul in any state......you're not gonna be the nominee. :)

bye Rudy....

[Jerry!]

I can (I can hope at least)... I will cry if Huckabee becomes president. :( Romney comes across a sleazy business person a la Craig Benson. Guiliani is just a one-issue doof. I like old McCain (from 2000) but new McCain has not impressed me.

The new McCain hasn't had its firmware update yet. Just be patient.

[Anguissette1979]

New McCain tried to appeal to the evangellicals

This is the part that freaks me out the most... Bush was bad enough but having an ordained minister as president?!?! :eek:

[Excel]

How does Obama completely revamp American politics as people seem to think he will? I challenge one Obama supporter to answer that.

Hes a young looking, articulate black guy as a president. Bout a 110% change from what weve had the past 40 years. The image the public sees couldnt be any different, hence why he is so associated with change.

[Golgo-13]

Obama will maintain the status quo. He will be the lap dog of Nancy Pelosi. Make a few tax raises, and that is about it.

But it is kinda moot as there is not a Republican candidate he can beat.

I'm writing in Bloomberg.

That's YOUR opinion;not fact.

[hippie_hunter]

This is the part that freaks me out the most... Bush was bad enough but having an ordained minister as president?!?! :eek:
I don't think you can get any worse than Bush. I think no matter who wins the election (Republican or Democrat) is going to end up better than him.

[Anguissette1979]

Hes a young looking, articulate black guy as a president. Bout a 110% change from what weve had the past 40 years. The image the public sees couldnt be any different, hence why he is so associated with change.

I can totally understand this perspective but will he be able to enact any of this change he speaks of? IMO you need to at least know how to play the political game to get anything done. Ideas are great but unless you can make something happen you amount to nothing - take for instance the democratic congress. We voted them in to enact change and they haven't been able to do much of anything (for multiple reasons but it still reasonably illustrates by point).

[SentinelMind]

so.....Clinton is still in the race and comes in at third.....after being "inevitable" candidate?

[hippie_hunter]

God dammit, Howard Dean is on MSNBC and he is such a f**king douche. He downright states that ALL the Republicans are against health care and at fault for botching Katrina.

[Excel]

For real, tlets stop the Obama hate Matt. There are not many reason to love him, but i dont see any to dislike him. I do see reasons to dislike the other candidates.

aka these candidates suck. But its wayyy too early to say one will be a bad president. Nobody wil be as bad for our nation as Bush and nobody will be as bad for its image as clinton was. Well, hopefully not.

[Matt]

That's YOUR opinion;not fact.

Show me one poll where Obama is beating Huckabee, Romney, or Rudy nationally.

[Excel]

I can totally understand this perspective but will he be able to enact any of this change he speaks of? IMO you need to at least know how to play the political game to get anything done. Ideas are great but unless you can make something happen you amount to nothing - take for instance the democratic congress. We voted them in to enact change and they haven't been able to do much of anything (for multiple reasons but it still reasonably illustrates by point).

BUT as thats a double edged sword. As we see with Bush, having the power to get whatever you want done isnt always so great.

[Golgo-13]

I don't think you can get any worse than Bush. I think no matter who wins the election (Republican or Democrat) is going to end up better than him.

Which is why ppl are flocking around Obama. They want someone that looks, sounds, smells and acts nothing close to what George Bush represents.

[Matt]

For real, tlets stop the Obama hate Matt. There are not many reason to love him, but i dont see any to dislike him. I do see reasons to dislike the other candidates.


I've already given numerous reasons why you can dislike him. I've yet to see one reason to like him outside of some intangible bull**** like he is "fresh" or "gives hope".

[hippie_hunter]

Which is why ppl are flocking around Obama. They want someone that looks, sounds, smells and acts nothing close to what George Bush represents.

Which is dumb in my opinion, because there are other more viable candidates than Obama that would still be a much better President than Bush.

[Anguissette1979]

BUT as thats a double edged sword. As we see with Bush, having the power to get whatever you want done isnt always so great.

The way I see it, Obama as president would be like making a junior VP of a company the CEO all of a sudden. They might make a FANTASTIC CEO in a few years but they're not quite skilled enough in all the nuances of company leadership (or federal government). :(

I like him... I think he's a good guy with nice ideas but I just don't think he's ready yet.

[Excel]

for a country with our morale and view of our nation where american pride goes hand in hand with american hate...hope is great.

I dont care about abortion, health care, any of the other issues aside from ending the war...I am sick of having a leader who dont lead and a President who divides people.

[R0rschach]

I've already given numerous reasons why you can dislike him. I've yet to see one reason to like him outside of some intangible bull**** like he is "fresh" or "gives hope".

Don't curse. :csad:

[souvlaki]

Edwards' campaign is dead...and that pretty much gives the GOP the white house again. I can't see Hilary or Obama beating Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani, or McCain. Edwards was the safe bet, and Democrats in Iowa turned their nose at him and destroyed their chances of winning the White House in my opinion.

I really don't think Huckabee would stand a chance in a general election. Romney is probably not going to win. He was too dependent on winning Iowa to gain momentum. Giuliani's campaign has been on a downward spiral for nearly a month now, and even if he were to win he'd automatically lose the Republican base. McCain is the only candidate I could see potentially taking on any of the top tier Democratic candidates, but even then I think it would be a close race. Really the democrats only need to pick up one or two of the states that they lost in 2004 to win the next election.

[Golgo-13]

Which is dumb in my opinion, because there are other more viable candidates than Obama that would still be a much better President than Bush.

Be as that may, it's the way alot of Americans are thinking.

[Ghostvirus]

This is great news!:up:

I don't care what the Haters say Obama will be good for this country. Not just in a political way. But having a young black president will be great for this country a really big breath of fresh air that this country needs.

[rdh007]

I believe Obama can beat any of those Republicans, with the possible exceptions of McCain (who I'm not sure any Dem can beat) and Romney (because he's so slick.

Obama doesn't have to bring anything different to the table, or even be different. The only thing that matters is that people think he's different. Perception is all that matters.

[Matt]

That's YOUR opinion;not fact.

That goes without saying. :whatever:

[StorminNorman]

The biggest winners tonight are clearly Obama and McCain - New Hampshire got really ,really interesting.

[Excel]

Hahaha Matt gimme a break. Obama will crush Huckabee.

His hype machine has been split with Clintons, once hes alone as the deomcratic nomination itll be unstoppable.

[cass]

Go Obama

[luke1234]

I would like to see Huckabee and Obama win

2nd choices would be McCain and Edwards

[Golgo-13]

That goes without saying. :whatever:

You already answered this.:whatever:

[Matt]

I really don't think Huckabee would stand a chance in a general election. Romney is probably not going to win. He was too dependent on winning Iowa to gain momentum. Giuliani's campaign has been on a downward spiral for nearly a month now, and even if he were to win he'd automatically lose the Republican base. McCain is the only candidate I could see potentially taking on any of the top tier Democratic candidates, but even then I think it would be a close race. Really the democrats only need to pick up one or two of the states that they lost in 2004 to win the next election.

Romney was never dependant on Iowa. Pulling off an upset would've been nice, but he didn't need it.

[R0rschach]

How does Obama completely revamp American politics as people seem to think he will? I challenge one Obama supporter to answer that.

Maybe you'll soon get it, I doubt it.
It's not only about the issues.
This politics not science class.

[Anguissette1979]

The biggest winners tonight are clearly Obama and McCain - New Hampshire got really ,really interesting.

I'll be leaving work to vote on the 8th ;) :up:

And watching the primary results as they come in even though it annoys the crap out of my bf :p

[hippie_hunter]

for a country with our morale and view of our nation where american pride goes hand in hand with american hate...hope is great.

I dont care about abortion, health care, any of the other issues aside from ending the war...I am sick of having a leader who dont lead and a President who divides people.

Which is why a moderate like Mike Bloomberg, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Joe Lieberman, Mark Warner and others, or a conservative/liberal person who has proven that they will work with the opposition like John McCain, not a conservative like Mike Huckabee or a liberal like Barack Obama.

[Matt]

Hahaha Matt gimme a break. Obama will crush Huckabee.

His hype machine has been split with Clintons, once hes alone as the deomcratic nomination itll be unstoppable.

All polls indicate if it were Obama/Huckabee today that Huckabee wins.

[Excel]

That goes without saying. :whatever:

Hahahaha :up:

[luke1234]

I'll be leaving work to vote on the 8th ;) :up:

And watching the primary results as they come in even though it annoys the crap out of my bf :p

ahhah thats funny

[StorminNorman]

Hahaha Matt gimme a break. Obama will crush Huckabee.

His hype machine has been split with Clintons, once hes alone as the deomcratic nomination itll be unstoppable.

Huckabee will never win the nomination though...

Also Obama has some weaknesses that the GOP will exploit when it comes to the big stage...

[Excel]

All polls indicate if it were Obama/Huckabee today that Huckabee wins.

as i side, barrack is too damn likeable. one hes the soul democrat, hell have more hype going his campaign then spidey 3 had for its opening weekend :up: :up:

[cookiva]

Hahaha Matt gimme a break. Obama will crush Huckabee.

His hype machine has been split with Clintons, once hes alone as the deomcratic nomination itll be unstoppable.

Are you saying Huckabee has no hype? Open your eyes, dude.

[StorminNorman]

I'll be leaving work to vote on the 8th ;) :up:

And watching the primary results as they come in even though it annoys the crap out of my bf :p

:up:

[luke1234]

Which is why a moderate like Mike Bloomberg, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Joe Lieberman, Mark Warner and others, or a conservative/liberal person who has proven that they will work with the opposition like John McCain, not a conservative like Mike Huckabee or a liberal like Barack Obama.

i disagree with that statement, Obama and Huckabee both want to eliminate the lines that split politics (lib,dem,cons,rep) and work together as one nation.

[StorminNorman]

as i side, barrack is too damn likeable. one hes the soul democrat, hell have more hype going his campaign then spidey 3 had for its opening weekend :up: :up:

You clearly do not understand politics.

[Golgo-13]

Are you saying Huckabee has no hype? Open your eyes, dude.
Huckabee will rise and fall quicker than Howard Dean did back in 2004.

[cookiva]

They say that, but have they done that already? In the senate and state government, have they?

[Apollo]

"Obama, Our next superhero"

http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/images/obama_busted_small.jpg

yea i know it sounds gay, but oh well :woot:

[StorminNorman]

Huckabee will rise and fall quicker than Howard Dean did back in 2004.

He has out lasted Dean actually :o

[GoldenAgeHero]

What amazes me is that so many people can get excited about a man with no platform and no experience can win a presidential caucus :huh: If this were a Republican candidate we would see outrage about how there should be tests to be allowed to vote and the general populace is too stupid to vote (Bush in 2000 and 2004) and yet it is okay for Obama. :huh:


i agree i really can't stand obama right now.

[luke1234]

Huckabee will rise and fall quicker than Howard Dean did back in 2004.

ahhah poor howard

[StorminNorman]

"Obama, Our next superhero"

http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/images/obama_busted_small.jpg

yea i know it sounds gay, but oh well :woot:
Superman has more substance than Obama :down

[Excel]

Huckabee will never win the nomination though...

Also Obama has some weaknesses that the GOP will exploit when it comes to the big stage...

That wont matter. As rdh said, in an election like this...perception is all that matters. They all speak about change from a president seen byt he public as a dumb, old, southern white guy...but but one is the wife of an old president. The rest are old white guys, hell most southern.

Barrack doesnt need to say hell change things with his ways, HE IS CHANGE. Him being elected is about as big of a change as anybody could ask for and nobody not even matt can deney it.

Forget who said but someone said "Politics isnt a science class" and thats exactly right. You cant form how theyll do or be percieved based souly on their views right now.

[Matt]

Maybe you'll soon get it, I doubt it.
It's not only about the issues.
This politics not science class.

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. The presidential election SHOULD be about issues. It should be a job interview, not a popularity contest.

[Sun_Down]

Obama will maintain the status quo. He will be the lap dog of Nancy Pelosi. Make a few tax raises, and that is about it.

But it is kinda moot as there is not a Republican candidate he can beat.

I'm writing in Bloomberg.

Those are just your opinions, not facts. And they are terribly biased.

I know you're a mod now and you believe yourself infallible, but just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean you know anything about what his potential presidency will be like.

And if you don't believe he can win, fair enough. But even you can't deny the amount of excitement and momentum he's building. So let's not completely throw reality to the wayside here.

[hippie_hunter]

Romney was never dependant on Iowa. Pulling off an upset would've been nice, but he didn't need it.

Yeah he was, he spent a lot of money and time in Iowa and an Iowa victory would have given him a New Hampshire victory for sure. He had Michigan, Massachusetts, and Utah in the bag, but Iowa and New Hampshire could have given him some much needed momentum elsewhere.

Now he's lost Iowa very badly to someone who's spent 20 times less than him and gained recognition less than 2 months ago. And he's no poised to lose in New Hampshire. He's going to come off as a loser who wasted a lot of his time and money.

Right now I'd imagine that Romney and Edwards are very pissed right now due to the results.

[Golgo-13]

That wont matter. As rdh said, in an election like this...perception is all that matters. They all speak about change from a president seen byt he public as a dumb, old, southern white guy...but but one is the wife of an old president. The rest are old white guys, hell most southern.

Barrack doesnt need to say hell change things with his ways, HE IS CHANGE. Him being elected is about as big of a change as anybody could ask for......



I like that. :up:

[Excel]

You clearly do not understand politics.

Maybe not as well as you, but I represent about 95% of Americans who dont either and jump on the bandwagon.

[Matt]

as i side, barrack is too damn likeable. one hes the soul democrat, hell have more hype going his campaign then spidey 3 had for its opening weekend :up: :up:

Obama isn't a democrat. That is the funny part. A Democrat would never promise free trade with Peru. That is not a Democrat. How Kucinich could've given his delegates to someone who made that promise is beyond me. If you want to see a Democrat, research Sherrod Brown of Ohio. Learn what a real Democrat is before you throw the word around and insult those of us who really are.

[Excel]

Are you saying Huckabee has no hype? Open your eyes, dude.

He has hype for sure, but his image is too similar to Bush to ever get off the ground, watch.

[Matt]

Yeah he was, he spent a lot of money and time in Iowa and an Iowa victory would have given him a New Hampshire victory for sure. He had Michigan, Massachusetts, and Utah in the bag, but Iowa and New Hampshire could have given him some much needed momentum elsewhere.

Now he's lost Iowa very badly to someone who's spent 20 times less than him and gained recognition less than 2 months ago. And he's no poised to lose in New Hampshire. He's going to come off as a loser who wasted a lot of his time and money.

Right now I'd imagine that Romney and Edwards are very pissed right now due to the results.

A Clinton win in New Hampshire can keep Edwards alive.

A Romney win in New Hampshire (where it will be a whole different type of Republican voting) combined with a Huckabee slaughter will keep him alive. This election is far from over.

[StorminNorman]

That wont matter. As rdh said, in an election like this...perception is all that matters. They all speak about change from a president seen byt he public as a dumb, old, southern white guy...but but one is the wife of an old president. The rest are old white guys, hell most southern.

Barrack doesnt need to say hell change things with his ways, HE IS CHANGE. Him being elected is about as big of a change as anybody could ask for and nobody not even matt can deney it.

Forget who said but someone said "Politics isnt a science class" and thats exactly right. You cant form how theyll do or be percieved based souly on their views right now.

From the best I can decipher from this reply (and it was quite daunting) you believe that Obama's "fresh" style will help propell over any Republican candidate. However once he faces the GOP (and when Clinton is done - for that matter) a lot of that shine will wear off.

Again - Obama has huge weaknesses that have yet to be examined by the mainstream media. Check his church - for example.

[luke1234]

He has hype for sure, but his image is too similar to Bush to ever get off the ground, watch.

yeah your definitly right, but at least hes not as stupid

[hippie_hunter]

i disagree with that statement, Obama and Huckabee both want to eliminate the lines that split politics (lib,dem,cons,rep) and work together as one nation.

They say that and hell, they'll probably even try. But liberals are too thickheaded to be united under a conservative and conservatives are too thickheaded to be united under a liberal.

[Matt]

Those are just your opinions, not facts. And they are terribly biased.

I know you're a mod now and you believe yourself infallible, but just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean you know anything about what his potential presidency will be like.

And if you don't believe he can win, fair enough. But even you can't deny the amount of excitement and momentum he's building. So let's not completely throw reality to the wayside here.

Look at all of the national polls against Republicans, friend.

[StorminNorman]

Maybe not as well as you, but I represent about 95% of Americans who dont either and jump on the bandwagon.

The majority of Americans don't vote. The young people - even more so.

[Sun_Down]

Look at all of the national polls against Republicans, friend.

Polls matter little to me. If you trusted polls, then Hillary would've won Iowa decisively.

[rdh007]

I've already given numerous reasons why you can dislike him. I've yet to see one reason to like him outside of some intangible bull**** like he is "fresh" or "gives hope".
- He commands the English language like none of the other candidates
- He's not named Bush or Clinton
- Charisma over everyone but possibly Biden
- Harvard -> Chicago -> State Leg. -> National Leg. He's made an honest rise to the top with no connections.
- Iowa is 95% white, and NH is the same. He won one and is in a great position to win the other. If he can carry these states in a Dem primary, he's got the same shot as everyone else at carrying Ohio, Penn., or Fla. which is what the Democrats must do

[R0rschach]

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. The presidential election SHOULD be about issues. It should be a job interview, not a popularity contest.

Really? You need to study your own county's recent history my friend.
Dean, one gaff and he was out.
Kucinich mentions a ufo and he's done.
Kerry, a war vet and hero loses not on the issues but gets dumped
because he would be soft on terrorists.
W bush had no foreigner policy expereince neither did Reagan.
Issues you say?
Your elections have been a popularity contest for decades.

[Matt]

Polls matter little to me. If you trusted polls, then Hillary would've won Iowa decisively.

Obama has been the projected winner in Iowa for awhile now :huh:

[rdh007]

They say that and hell, they'll probably even try. But liberals are too thickheaded to be united under a conservative and conservatives are too thickheaded to be united under a liberal.
I'd probably be supportive of McCain.

[PoSeiDon]

Well this was one vote. He still has to get New Hampshire and SC.

I'm a Democrat but if he wins the primaries I will have no one to vote for!