The Official Choose A Director Thread

[dark_b]

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[Octoberist]

in the link ( http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/08/04/james-mcteigue-reveals-next-project-the-raven-updates-altered-carbon/ )

there was a comment made by Peter, the author who wrote the article in the comments section:


Eli Gutierrez: So what is happening with Superman?


Peter Sciretta 50 minutes ago
You'll get that answer (kinda...) tomorrow...

[Octoberist]

in the link ( http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/08/04/james-mcteigue-reveals-next-project-the-raven-updates-altered-carbon/ )

there was a comment made by Peter, the author who wrote the article in the comments section:


Eli Gutierrez: So what is happening with Superman?


Peter Sciretta 50 minutes ago
You'll get that answer (kinda...) tomorrow...

[rocco2216]

in the link ( http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/08/04/james-mcteigue-reveals-next-project-the-raven-updates-altered-carbon/ )

there was a comment made by Peter, the author who wrote the article in the comments section:


Eli Gutierrez: So what is happening with Superman?


Peter Sciretta 50 minutes ago
You'll get that answer (kinda...) tomorrow...


Hmmmm, interesting. I hope it's good news. :yay:

[Crook]

It seems like Peter already knows the answer to James as a possible Superman director, as he has yet to post the full interview. Anyone else get the feeling it's going to be a "No"? :(

[Octoberist]

I don't know. I have a feeling it's a "no comment' from James, which means squat at this point.

[dark_b]

in the link ( http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/08/04/james-mcteigue-reveals-next-project-the-raven-updates-altered-carbon/ )

there was a comment made by Peter, the author who wrote the article in the comments section:


Eli Gutierrez: So what is happening with Superman?


Peter Sciretta 50 minutes ago
You'll get that answer (kinda...) tomorrow...

tomorrow : NO

:woot:

[Octoberist]

haha.

But seriously...Peter isn't the type who would pull that type of crap on his site if the answer is a flat out 'no'.

[dark_b]

It seems like Peter already knows the answer to James as a possible Superman director, as he has yet to post the full interview. Anyone else get the feeling it's going to be a "No"? :(no or no comment.
i am 100% sure that he wont say yes

[Octoberist]

that's for sure. we'll see because if he does say yes to Superman, it WOULD HAVE TO BE his next film unless he get his other films, like The Raven, out of the way before 2011.

[Webhead2006]

Ya i was going to post that bit of news myself but you got to it before me. I wonder if it will be anything more then no,maybe, no comment.

[Kal-El Fan]

If The Raven is a smaller film, it could be wrapped by 2011. I don't know how far along it is, but I got the impression that they have a script and are ready to start casting. If that's the case, I don't see why they wouldn't be filming sometime in early/mid 2010. Give him a little break, start pre-production on Superman. Do the press junket for Raven, again likely to be small due to the smaller nature of the film perhaps, and go back to working on Superman full time to begin shooting late 2011.

[Webhead2006]

Ya i was thinking that too, the raven could be shot in a short amount of time, and i think slash said they are already looking to cast that film, so it could be shooting in the fall/early winter and be done filming wise by early 2010. And if he is picked for superman it still give him time while doing this raven film for writers to get on board write a draft, and inbetween the raven start prep work for supes. As for that slash film writer has he given any more details yet about James possible envovlement with supes yet?

As for the 2011 date i was wondering and i asked this a few days ago have the details say when by 2011 they have to have a film in production, does it have to be happening before jan 1st 2011 or do they have through the whole year of 2011 to have something going. Because if its start of the year we then just got 17ish months to get things moving, but if its by end of 2011 they would have about 25months or so.

[Octoberist]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/08/05/james-mcteigue-on-comic-book-rumors-plastic-man-probably-wont-ever-happen-wont-confirm-or-deny-superman-reboot/

Last week IESB reported a rumor that Warner Bros and DC Comics were in talks with Andy and Larry Wachowski to produce a Superman reboot directed by McTeigue. I asked James if there was any truth to the rumors what-so ever, and he laughed kinda nervously, and paused for a second, before giving me an interesting non answer:

“You know… I… I would say… I’ll keep you guessing, actually. It’s good not to dispel every rumor, right?”

James had been so forthcoming on previous questions, and quick to deny false rumors. I hate to read too much into his answer (or as it may be, his non-answer) but his hesitation seems to suggest there might be something to it. Maybe there have been some early talks, or possibly it is something the Wachowski Brothers are developing. But the non denial seems rather odd, especially coming off of denials on a handful of other rumored projects.

[AntMan]

McT baby yeah! I'm hoping this pans out.

[dark_b]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/08/05/james-mcteigue-on-comic-book-rumors-plastic-man-probably-wont-ever-happen-wont-confirm-or-deny-superman-reboot/

Last week IESB reported a rumor that Warner Bros and DC Comics were in talks with Andy and Larry Wachowski to produce a Superman reboot directed by McTeigue. I asked James if there was any truth to the rumors what-so ever, and he laughed kinda nervously, and paused for a second, before giving me an interesting non answer:

“You know… I… I would say… I’ll keep you guessing, actually. It’s good not to dispel every rumor, right?”

James had been so forthcoming on previous questions, and quick to deny false rumors. I hate to read too much into his answer (or as it may be, his non-answer) but his hesitation seems to suggest there might be something to it. Maybe there have been some early talks, or possibly it is something the Wachowski Brothers are developing. But the non denial seems rather odd, especially coming off of denials on a handful of other rumored projects.maybe he talked with WB .

[Octoberist]

it could be that he's in the middle of negotiations.

[craigdbfan]

^^ I'm getting that vibe.

Maybe he doesn't want to ruin anything he has going on with WB right now.

[RachelDawes]

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/08/05/james-mcteigue-on-comic-book-rumors-plastic-man-probably-wont-ever-happen-wont-confirm-or-deny-superman-reboot/

Last week IESB reported a rumor that Warner Bros and DC Comics were in talks with Andy and Larry Wachowski to produce a Superman reboot directed by McTeigue. I asked James if there was any truth to the rumors what-so ever, and he laughed kinda nervously, and paused for a second, before giving me an interesting non answer:

“You know… I… I would say… I’ll keep you guessing, actually. It’s good not to dispel every rumor, right?”

James had been so forthcoming on previous questions, and quick to deny false rumors. I hate to read too much into his answer (or as it may be, his non-answer) but his hesitation seems to suggest there might be something to it. Maybe there have been some early talks, or possibly it is something the Wachowski Brothers are developing. But the non denial seems rather odd, especially coming off of denials on a handful of other rumored projects.

I'm becoming more and more excited. We've got too many rumors going around for there to be nothing in the works for Supes...right?!

[FlawlessVictory]

Interesting, McTeigue certainly could have denied any such talks about him possibly directing but he didn't. Especially since he denied the other rumors addressed to him before the Superman question. I really hope he gets the gig. I think there is a lot of potential in a McTeigue Superman film, plus he fits exactly what the studio is looking for in their next director. It all makes so much sense.

[daywalker2007]

did Larry chop off his balls yet? or is he still midway in transition?

anybody know?

Because if they are indeed doing the reboot, then they will be the wachowski brother and sister.

[batman44]

Once again, interesting.

[Kal-El Fan]

Interesting development. That's about the answer I was expecting. It will be nice to finally hear something concrete though. If we hear that WB has brought McT/W's on and has Grant Morrison (and/or Johns, Wolfman, etc) writing the story, then I will believe this project is happening. Granted that doesn't mean it can't fall apart, ala JLM and Superman Lives, but at least will know that an actual film is being developed.

[FlawlessVictory]

did Larry chop off his balls yet? or is he still midway in transition?

anybody know?

Because if they are indeed doing the reboot, then they will be the wachowski brother and sister.

They can just be called the Wachowski siblings.

[Octoberist]

did Larry chop off his balls yet? or is he still midway in transition?

anybody know?

Because if they are indeed doing the reboot, then they will be the wachowski brother and sister.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9851/0428larrynpg.jpg

http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/28/the-transformation-of-a-wachowski-brother/

[GreenKToo]

Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but is that the info that was promised?
It's interesting but it's not earth shattering or anything.
I didnt get a positive or negative vibe from it.

[craigdbfan]

Not that it matters but is Larry really transsexual or just cross dressing?

Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but is that the info that was promised?
It's interesting but it's not earth shattering or anything.
I didnt get a positive or negative vibe from it.

It was a non answer. He didn't debunk or confirm.

What makes this hold some weight though is the fact that he had no problem debunking Plastic Man and Magneto but once asked about Superman he got nervous and gave a non answer.

I think its safe to say that something is happening but who knows who is in the directing helm or producing for that matter.

[FlawlessVictory]

Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but is that the info that was promised?
It's interesting but it's not earth shattering or anything.
I didnt get a positive or negative vibe from it.

No one claimed it would be earth shattering. And it's not the like author of yesterday's article was hyping anything up. It was just the posters that were. He simply said he had a Superman answer, kinda. And he did. I knew it wasn't going to be anything significant considering he sat on it for a day.

[FilmNerdJamie]

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9851/0428larrynpg.jpg

http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/28/the-transformation-of-a-wachowski-brother/

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Throwingupintoilet.jpg

[Octoberist]

Not that it matters but is Larry really transsexual or just cross dressing?

wanna ask him/her out on a date? hmmmm? hmmmmmmmm? :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

Larry Wachowski for Lois Lane!!! :grin:

[Gamma Goliath]

I just threw up in mouth a little bit when I saw that.

[craigdbfan]

wanna ask him/her out on a date? hmmmm? hmmmmmmmm? :woot:

You saw through my question eh. :o

[Octoberist]

ahhhhhhhhhhh

[RachelDawes]

No one claimed it would be earth shattering. And it's not the like author of yesterday's article was hyping anything up. It was just the posters that were. He simply said he had a Superman answer, kinda. And he did. I knew it wasn't going to be anything significant considering he sat on it for a day.

I'll take it for now. I'm satisfied to hear anything about Supes, even nonanswers. Beats months on end with nothing at all.

[GreenKToo]

No one claimed it would be earth shattering. And it's not the like author of yesterday's article was hyping anything up. It was just the posters that were. He simply said he had a Superman answer, kinda. And he did. I knew it wasn't going to be anything significant considering he sat on it for a day.
Thats true. I kinda thought the answer would be something along those lines.
Still, something is better than nothing I suppose.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'll take it for now. I'm satisfied to hear anything about Supes, even nonanswers. Beats months on end with nothing at all.

No kidding. And the fact that he didn't flat out deny it, like he did with the other questions in that article, gives me hope. I would definitely be pumped if I heard he was named the director.

[daywalker2007]

yes, we the geeks will take anyone now for director or lead actor for superman!
just film the god damn thing!

i've had enough of Michael Bay movies killing the box office in the last 3 years!

we need some kryptonite and some epic flying!

i don't care whether its Larry, Lara, Lisa or whatever Wachowski, give us the damn movie please WB!

[GreenKToo]

I'm just glad we are getting a new director. I hope this one can move away from what donner has done.
A little nod or two to it would be fine, but not the whole freaking film tho.

[craigdbfan]

Ugh nods aren't necessary. They've become tacky.

If they are starting fresh, start fresh.

[GreenKToo]

yes, we the geeks will take anyone now for director or lead actor for superman!
just film the god damn thing!

i've had enough of Michael Bay movies killing the box office in the last 3 years!

we need some kryptonite and some epic flying!

i don't care whether its Larry, Lara, Lisa or whatever Wachowski, give us the damn movie please WB!
HA HA. side splitting funny right there.:woot:

[GreenKToo]

Ugh nods aren't necessary. They've become tacky.

If they are starting fresh, start fresh.
Just saying, I wouldnt mind it. I dont care either way tho.

[rocco2216]

Not to be a stick in the mud or anything, but is that the info that was promised?
It's interesting but it's not earth shattering or anything.
I didnt get a positive or negative vibe from it.


It's definitely more positive though. I really think it confirms Robert Sanchez's scoop, I'm 99% sure now. I'll be shocked if the rumors end up not being true at this point.

[SuperDaniel]

As long as it is not Singer or a Sequel, everyone should be happy! I sure as hell am!! :D

[Showtime]

As I said, it is all about perception and hit counts.

[rocco2216]

As I said, it is all about perception and hit counts.


So you don't think it confirms Robert Sanchez's info even more, Show? :huh:

[Crook]

So you don't think it confirms Robert Sanchez's info even more, Show? :huh:
Yeah, considering it was Rob, then a couple other sites, and now the man himself refuses to deny it...it adds a lot of credence.

[rocco2216]

Yeah, considering it was Rob, then a couple other sites, and now the man himself refuses to deny it...it adds a lot of credence.


Exactly, when someone doesn't confirm or deny something, it means that they can't say yes because it's not official/not allowed to yet and they can't say no because then they would be lying and don't want to lie.

[dark_b]

maybe showtime knows something more.

[rocco2216]

maybe showtime knows something more.


Maybe :woot:

[craigdbfan]

As I said, it is all about perception and hit counts.

Not really.

If he wanted more hits he would have mentioned the SM news in the article itself. Someone asked in the comment section and he merely wrote "You'll get that answer (kinda...) tomorrow...".

Thats exactly what we got today. A non answer from McTeigue.

Its fine being a skeptic as long as its warranted. In this case its not.

[Webhead2006]

Ya to bad james comments to slash a little while ago wasnt totally confirming or denying their invovlement with the superman project, but if you look at what he said maybe they could be in earlier talks and dont want ot screw the pouch and say something before they are allowed to. Or they are officially anywhere with that yet. Hopefully it becomes clear in the coming months since we know if anything is going to happen by the deadline we will need to have atleast a few things in place by the end of the year.

As for the brothers i thought it wasnt true that one of then was going through transgender surgery is that true or false, i was jsut wondering.

[craigdbfan]

Yeah, hopefully we get something more concrete in the coming weeks or months.

Its hard to believe that all of these correlating rumors to not have some truth to them.

But we'll see in due time.

[Dark Knight]

If The Raven is a smaller film, it could be wrapped by 2011. I don't know how far along it is, but I got the impression that they have a script and are ready to start casting. If that's the case, I don't see why they wouldn't be filming sometime in early/mid 2010. Give him a little break, start pre-production on Superman. Do the press junket for Raven, again likely to be small due to the smaller nature of the film perhaps, and go back to working on Superman full time to begin shooting late 2011.





That's what I think is going to happen as well IF McTeigue tapped to direct the next Supes film.

He will do The Raven first (which sounds like an intriguing project) then dive into Superman.

[Dark Knight]

As I said, it is all about perception and hit counts.




Hits counts always come into play in some way shape for form with you fellas who run web sites! :hehe:

[rocco2216]

That's what I think is going to happen as well IF McTeigue tapped to direct the next Supes film.

He will do The Raven first (which sounds like an intriguing project) then dive into Superman.


And this Raven film is a low budget movie, right? So I don't think it would take him long to get it done.

[Webhead2006]

True like folks have said the raven looks to be casting now, and probably could be done in a short time frame while leaving room to start prep work on supes and also have the w bros working along with that, and then get to the nitty gritty business of supes throughout next year.

[Double Down]

Exactly, when someone doesn't confirm or deny something, it means that they can't say yes because it's not official/not allowed to yet and they can't say no because then they would be lying and don't want to lie.

Things aren't always that black and white.

[rocco2216]

Things aren't always that black and white.


Well, no, not always. :woot:

[Webhead2006]

to bad they arent.

[Dark Knight]

And this Raven film is a low budget movie, right? So I don't think it would take him long to get it done.



Low budget and it shouldn't take forever to shoot.

[SuperAl]

It sounds like he is at least having conversations about it, if he wasnt im sure he wouldve shot it down like the other 2 he shot down

[GreenKToo]

why would he? we're talking about him and his next film arent we.
Sure its possible he is in talks, but its just as possible he isnt.

[craigdbfan]

Discuss the your thoughts on this possible candidate as a director for the "Untitled Superman" film.

Filmography

He has been assistant director on many films, including the Matrix trilogy and Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, but he is most famous for his 2006 directorial debut, V for Vendetta.

His latest film is "Ninja Assassin" which is to be released on November of this year.

[GreenKToo]

While i'm extremely skeptical of the ''rumor'', I think he would do a good job with superman.

[Wesley Dodds]

Soooooo, his resume basically consists of two awful sequels, one sub-par prequel, an overblown, unnecessary adaptation (that completely missed the point of it's source material) and a Ninja Assassin movie starring Steven Colbert's nemesis...


Yeah. I'll pass.

[GreenKToo]

He would definitely fit the rumor about WB wanting a director they could controll easily.

[FlawlessVictory]

I really hope he gets the gig. I love V for Vendetta and Ninja Assassin looks pretty cool. And as GreenKToo mentioned, he fits the mold exactly for what WB is looking for in their next director for a Superman film. That is, a director that can deliver on action and one who is not too "big" to fall in line with any demands the studio may have. Not too mention, as the main director, he has only worked for WB so far. It makes complete sense. I think he could deliver a very exciting Superman film.

[Webhead2006]

Yea but hopefully he is so we can finally maybe get some solid leads on what wb is up too with this whole new superman project.

[Ursa]

He did a good job in V for Vendetta, and being a second unit director in so many big movies is something.

Remember people, Who were Richard Donner before Superman?

[batman44]

I wouldn't mind McTeigue. I think he can give good direction with the right material, so hopefully WB will have some solid writers for this film.

[deathshead2]

He did a good job in V for Vendetta, and being a second unit director in so many big movies is something.

Remember people, Who were Richard Donner before Superman?The hit director of the Omen.

[Showtime]

Really? A James McTeigue thread?

[Kal-El Fan]

Really? A James McTeigue thread?
Next stop.....The Twilight Zone....:oldrazz:

[Webhead2006]

Well it will be great if this rumor does pan out, or let alone anything official from wb in the coming weeks/months reguarding on what they are going to do with supes and making that 2011 deadline and all that. I think he could do a decent job with supes and i will be curious to see what comes from this.

[Excel]

I will say, the fact that he went out of his way not to deny must mean there is *something* going on with Superman, whether it involves him or not.

[Webhead2006]

Ya at least some talks probably, if he wasnt having any discussions with wb about it or they to him i would think he would have clearly come out and say no i am not invovled at this time with any superman project. Hopefully it pans out for us so we can finally get something confirmed soon.

[Sam]

Really? A James McTeigue thread?

Thats what happens when there is no news for 2 years :)

Some desperate actions are taken!

[craigdbfan]

Really? A James McTeigue thread?

If it turns out to be bogus your free to close it. Plus its the only relevant news surrounding this otherwise dying film franchise.

Also is it really that big of a stretch making this thread? There is a "What pop song would you pick for the movie" thread for god sake.

Whoever gets picked as director, I hope he can get Superman off critical support.

[Webhead2006]

yea you have a point right now him and the brothers is the only names we have been hearing of lately, and i see no harm with this thread to its proven true or proven false.

[Sam]

Also is it really that big of a stretch making this thread? There is a "What pop song would you pick for the movie" thread for god sake.

Thats true. Good point!

Ppl are going crazy with lack of news!

[Webhead2006]

yea so true since SR and nothing solid ever coming out from wb its been getting bad. Hopefully things have or are currently in a changing process for wb and dc and they can and will get supes in place and ready to go by the court deadline.

[GreenKToo]

If there is anything to it, more rumors will be coming out in rapid fire sequence.

[DavidTyler]

Really? A James McTeigue thread?


It's an interesting diversion. As long as no one starts bickering, I don't see the harm.

[Christmas]

He was the second assistant director on Dark City. Must have been a hell of a time shooting that movie!

He may be perfect actually for what needs to happen right now for the WB and Superman. That is to say, a director they can set mandates on (Routh/Brainiac/budget etc) whilst letting him work in his own way delivering the studio a film with spectacular action whilst not being obnoxious garbage.

He can stage and shoot really dynamic action scenes and handle introducing stronger science fiction elements, like Brainiac. In my opinion, V for Vendetta did a great job of showing lots and lots of great character moments.

I'd be pretty relieved if this happens.

[GreenKToo]

You know, I really hope CGI is not overused this time. No need to have a CGI Superman up close when an actor would be better.

[zerohour films]

You know, I really hope CGI is not overused this time. No need to have a CGI Superman up close when an actor would be better.


Agreed. SR way overused the CGI Superman. It was especially distracting at the end of the film for the final flight.

McTeigue is an interesting choice.

[GreenKToo]

I cant say i'm excited or disappointed to hear hes rumored. I would like to hear what he had in mind first. Thats *IF* he even gets the job.
Still, hearing some names other than singer is exciting in its own right.

[Showtime]

If it turns out to be bogus your free to close it. Plus its the only relevant news surrounding this otherwise dying film franchise.

Also is it really that big of a stretch making this thread? There is a "What pop song would you pick for the movie" thread for god sake.

Whoever gets picked as director, I hope he can get Superman off critical support.

I think it is a stretch relating to the number of directors they have talked to and probably are talking to. We'll see I guess. For god sake!

[Showtime]

It's an interesting diversion. As long as no one starts bickering, I don't see the harm.

I'm glad you approve...

I'm just surprised.

He DOES indeed fit the type of director they are and should be looking for.

[Lobo]

Surprised not to see this in the McTiegue thread, but he has addressed the rumors. here you go http://www.moviehole.net/200920153-mcteigue-on-superman-rumours

Personally, I hope he gets it :).

[Kal-El Fan]

That article really doesn't say anything new.

[GreenKToo]

yeah, we saw that yesterday. It was from a different site tho.

[solidsnake86]

I saw the trailer for Ninja Assassin and it looks cool, if he did get chosen at least you know there would be action. I guess this thread is better then the superman casting thread which goes around in circles, or a trianlge with the three people being Welling Cavill and Routh, lol.

Now that Green Lantern is going forward, I guess its a toss up between the flash and superman for the next bigger heroes in there stable. What do you guys think the next annoucement will be regarding one of there characters.

[GreenKToo]

I would say Superman for now. We've heard more rumblings regarding it.

[Superark]

Probably Superman before Flash. We haven't heard really anything about Flash in a long time, other than Geoff Johns was contributing to the story outline.

I would love a Flash film! James Roday for the lead all the way!

But I want to see another Superman first

[Webhead2006]

I too hope they dont go over board with cgi when its not needed.

[solidsnake86]

The flash already has a writer which IESB broke the news on that and if Johns, Morrison and Wolfman were hired in fall 2008 something tells me that progress was made on it. I guess we'll see if they announce a director at some point, but that means they could have a story for superman as well.

[craigdbfan]

I think it is a stretch relating to the number of directors they have talked to and probably are talking to. We'll see I guess. For god sake!

Mimicry used as sarcasm, how funny. :dry:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Lol this is stretching it as far as a new thread.

We've been discussing this already for days, including the so called statements from him.

[craigdbfan]

Yet there are threads about what pop song should be in a Superman movie not to mention multiple threads that are about the same thing just phrased differently.

Seriously its not that big of a deal. Its not like there has been an influx of news revealing tons of directors for the gig.

All the tidbits we've been receiving have had the Wachowskis or McTeigues name attached.

If I were to make a Michael Bay or Christopher Nolan thread without any basis other than self speculation then I'd say thats "stretching it".

[\S/JcDc\S/]

That was an odd call by moderation not to combine the song threads :confused:

Yes, when everyone has been discussing the info in another thread before, it is stretching it. Nothing new here :o

[craigdbfan]

That was an odd call by moderation not to combine the song threads :confused:

Yes, when everyone has been discussing the info in another thread before, it is stretching it. Nothing new here :o

Nobody is claiming anything new.

This thread is to streamline the James McTeigue conversation away from the other threads which is used to discuss ideas regardless of the director.

[Showtime]

Mimicry used as sarcasm, how funny. :dry:

I didn't realize we were having some kind of comedic contest.

[Showtime]

That was an odd call by moderation not to combine the song threads :confused:

Yes, when everyone has been discussing the info in another thread before, it is stretching it. Nothing new here :o

It's not really that much of an "odd call", it's called not getting to merging them. Now that you guys seem concerned about it, I am going to start merging a boat load of these threads, including some of the ones you opened. :yay:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

It's not really that much of an "odd call", it's called not getting to merging them. Now that you guys seem concerned about it, I am going to start merging a boat load of these threads, including some of the ones you opened. :yay:
I'm not saying go mod nazi on us ;) Just saying, this thread is stretching it and agreed the song threads need merged. Oldbie butting in :grin:


Here ya go on the song threads

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=326737

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=327845

[craigdbfan]

I'm not saying go mod nazi on us ;) Just saying, this thread is stretching it and agreed the song threads need merged. Oldbie butting in :grin:


Here ya go on the song threads

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=326737

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=327845

Then the same could be said about the Wachowski thread and many other threads.

The pop song thread was just an example of many.

Anyway there is no reason to pollute this thread with further objections or defending. Seems a tad hypocritical especially coming from someone who has started threads that can easily be classified as "stretching it".

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Then the same could be said about the Wachowski thread and many other threads.

The pop song thread was just an example of many.

Anyway there is no reason to pollute this thread with further objections or defending. Seems a tad hypocritical yes immediately following that word with this is... especially coming from someone who has started threads that can easily be classified as "stretching it". hypocritical

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The Wachowski thread is after a merger actually. :o

[craigdbfan]

I'm not looking to start an argument but it seems as if your adamantly searching for one.

Alrighty then. :up:

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Something related to the threads topic.

Here is an interview showing a bit of how James approaches an adaptation.

qhbDLaWLCTM

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'm not looking to start an argument but it seems as if your adamantly searching for one.

Alrighty then. :up:

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Something related to the threads topic.

Here is an interview showing a bit of how James approaches an adaptation.

qhbDLaWLCTM

If you have any more commentary about me, just send me a PM. :up:

[Octoberist]

You have to keep this in mind:

At Hitfix.com, Moriarty (Drew) stated that Bradley Cooper was going to be Hal Jordan in the Green Lantern movie; he was so sure of it. Well that was part true; months later, we all found out that Bradley was in the running but lost to Ryan Reynolds (a better pick in my opinion).

My point being is that anything can happen.

[craigdbfan]

I've never said that he is the definite pick. The reason I made the thread was because he is a possible candidate.

I've never gone out and proclaimed him the director. Every single post I've made about the Wachowski and McTeigue have been on a speculative note. Anyone is welcome to check my post history.

I just want to make that clear. I think some are construing the reporting and discussion on this news we've received lately as some sort of backing of these guys.

[Octoberist]

I'm not blasting anyone either, Craigbfan. I know he might be a candidate.

[craigdbfan]

Its just that some people here immediately write stuff like "He won't be the director, slow down" or something along those lines.

While I think most are aware of the speculative and questionable validity of all this news.

[Octoberist]

Trust me, I'm not one of those people. Infact, I personally think I'm fairly reasonable.

[craigdbfan]

Oh I know you aren't.

I can tell by your postings that your being wholly reasonable about this.

Just trying to let you know of some of the other posters mentality that automatically throw people in a pot of "gullible dummies" almost for even discussing some of this recent news.

[Octoberist]

yeah i know.

anyway, if James McTeigue gets it, I think he'll do a solid job.

However, I do think that, while visually he'll do a bang up job, he might have to step it up in the warmth department. Warmth Department, you ask?

I think the central part of Superman as a franchise is that, in the end, it's a non-cynical action adventure sci-fi epic with heart. So far, McTeigue is the type who has darker movies, so I hope that he can step it up and not make this Superman tale too gritty (if he gets picked).

[craigdbfan]

I think McTeigue has it in him but your completely right. This for me is a very important part of the character and the way he approaches situations.

In "V for Vendetta" the emotional scenes were done in such an effective way. When V and Evey are dancing with the great blues song in the background. The story that V used to allow Evey overcome her fear of death.

I think he has a good eye for giving his characters likability/or the opposite allowing the audience to feel genuine sympathy, anger, empathy, and remorse.

I think its important though to add a singular tone while still giving it a flexibility to remain intact even in the more sadder scenes.

Not an easy task.

[The Democrat]

Personally I thought V for Vendetta was a A) a good film on it's own and B ) a good adaptation. I think with a good script and a good cast that McTeigue would be able to create a good representation of Superman for the screen. My concern with this rumor is in fact about Warners itself. Time and again they have shown themselves as having a too many chiefs not enough indians mentality, specifically with this franchise. Everyone has their opinions and their hands in the pot. If they can just let Morrison or one of the others write a story that reintroduces Superman to the modern audience, bring in a good screen writer like Haggis and hand it over to a director like McTeigue and then hand it over to DC to set mandates about the character, costume and important canonical issues then market it with the same skill they did TDK I think things will be fine. The issue I have with McTeigue is my fear of Warner's Bro.s track record and certain infamous producers overbearing inanity and how that will affect a director who, at least currently, is shaping up to be a studio director. It reminds me of Schumaker and the films that dare-not-be-named to be honest!

[SuperDaniel]

I can't help but thinking why an american icon of great importance as Superman wouldn't deserve a better director to helm this picture? I mean, i'm talking about Spielberg, cameron, jackson, scorcese, ron howard, zemeckys and all. That's the kind of thing Superman needs.

Now some unknown who did a about 2 movies worth seeing? Well...could work. But...god help us all.

[rocco2216]

I can't help but thinking why an american icon of great importance as Superman wouldn't deserve a better director to helm this picture? I mean, i'm talking about Spielberg, cameron, jackson, scorcese, ron howard, zemeckys and all. That's the kind of thing Superman needs.

Now some unknown who did a about 2 movies worth seeing? Well...could work. But...god help us all.


Yes, but they're the kind of directors WB wouldn't be able to "control"

[SuperDaniel]

But at least we would have quality filmaking.

[craigdbfan]

I can't help but thinking why an american icon of great importance as Superman wouldn't deserve a better director to helm this picture? I mean, i'm talking about Spielberg, cameron, jackson, scorcese, ron howard, zemeckys and all. That's the kind of thing Superman needs.

Now some unknown who did a about 2 movies worth seeing? Well...could work. But...god help us all.

Lets not forget that he still is a "superhero" so despite his renown image all over the world, in Hollywood he is still considered just another superhero.

Plus none of those directors have shown a desire to direct a SH film(for the exception of Cameron and he only wanted to do Spider-Man). Its not what WB wants but more has to do with them even wanting/not wanting to make a film about a comic book character.

Nolan did a fine job with Batman and he isn't any of those guys.

[SuperDaniel]

I know but this kinda of character is Spielberg's taste. Alien, fantasy, science fiction, epic, drama. Somebody just needs to tell him that lol

Batman is more down-to-earth hero.

Superman needs to be an intergalactic and earhly epic!!

[SuperAl]

Theres nothing written that in order to make a good movie you have to be a big name. I mean who was Peter Jackson before LOTRs. Just cause McTeigue isn't well known doesn't mean he can't make a great Superman movie. Singer was well known and he didnt give us much.

Plus doesn't Spielberg only make movies owned by Paramount, i dont think he would even be able to work on Superman cause its a WB owned property

[SuperDaniel]

As long as McTEigue understands that Superman should be a fun epic of world proportions ala Transformers( I mean in scope, not quality), then that is fine.

Singer ****ed it up cause he made Superman too personal and down to earth. It wasn't epic at all.

[The Democrat]

To be honest I don't want a huge name director. I don't want the ego that comes along with it. I want someone who doesn't fancy himself as bigger than the story or characters. That doesn't mean a Spielberg level director shouldn't do it but I think an ego comes along with it. Look at what he did with Indiana Jones! He co-created the character and still managed to screw it up. He was so confident in the characters base appeal and his abilities that he thought we'd overlook the fact that THERE WERE ALIENS IN IT!

[rocco2216]

But at least we would have quality filmaking.


Not necessarily

[Showtime]

bump

[SuperDaniel]

Way to go, Showy! :up:

[GreenKToo]

Of those, spielberg would be at the top of my wish list. BUT, since that wont be happening, then I guess either Favreau or Miller.

[NewYorkSpider]

David Fincher

[Webhead2006]

i do wonder who we will end up getting if they get a film out on the deadline. will the james mct rumor pan out. will it be some left field choice, will it be a big name but still controllable?

[AntMan]

While I see where you're coming from SuperDaniel, I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell of getting one of those directors you listed. I think McTeigue is the best realistic choice at this point. He's a good director, with action experience, who has worked in the realm of comicbook movies before. So unless they can land Peter Jackson, I'm going with McT.

[dark_b]

Of those, spielberg would be at the top of my wish list. BUT, since that wont be happening, then I guess either Favreau or Miller.:huh:

[Octoberist]

George Miller? It better not be Frank Miller

[Octoberist]

While I see where you're coming from SuperDaniel, I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell of getting one of those directors you listed. I think McTeigue is the best realistic choice at this point. He's a good director, with action experience, who has worked in the realm of comicbook movies before. So unless they can land Peter Jackson, I'm going with McT.

Here's my prediction:

If it's not McTeigue, it'll be someone like him. A newer director that we may be familiar with, whose a protege to a more seasoned director. For example, it could be

McTeigue (Wachoski Bros/Sister)
Neil Blomkamp (Peter Jackson)
Juan Antonio Bayer (G. Del Toro)

[dark_b]

George Miller? It better not be Frank MillerGeorge Miller makes sense. i thought he means Frank Miller.

[AntMan]

George Miller makes sense. i thought he means Frank Miller.

Maybe he means Barney Miller?

[craigdbfan]

Nah, I think he meant this might be Sienna Millers breakthrough directorial debut.

[Etienne]

Here's my prediction:

If it's not McTeigue, it'll be someone like him. A newer director that we may be familiar with, whose a protege to a more seasoned director. For example, it could be

McTeigue (Wachoski Bros/Sister)
Neil Blomkamp (Peter Jackson)
Juan Antonio Bayer (G. Del Toro)
Blomkamp has been a dark horse choice of mine. He certainly seems to have love and respect for Sci-fi genre.

[dark_b]

Neil Blomkamp?

come on. its hes first movie. under peter jackson you can give him a lot of movies.. but alone? hahahhahahah

[Webhead2006]

Here's my prediction:

If it's not McTeigue, it'll be someone like him. A newer director that we may be familiar with, whose a protege to a more seasoned director. For example, it could be

McTeigue (Wachoski Bros/Sister)
Neil Blomkamp (Peter Jackson)
Juan Antonio Bayer (G. Del Toro)
I totally agree here, we know they will probably not go for a spielberg/jackson type after the mess singer gave them. We know they went someone who would be willing to do film under studio control. So its just a matter of time on who is going to be picked. But right now if the rumors are true about james and the w bros they seem like probably top choice or possibly 2nd choice if their first choice person declines. it would be sweet if we heard of some other names who have been looked at or are being looked at.

[Krug3r]

Michael Mann!!!

[AntMan]

I think Michael Mann is better suited for Batman to be honest. His films have a gritty urban feel to them, much like the current Nolan series. I don't think Mann's style would mesh well with the Superman character. I am a huge fan of his work though.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I still hope that Brad Bird or Zemeckis would direct a Superman movie. One with real actors and not digital puppets.

[GreenKToo]

:huh:
As in George...lol.
He is an option on the above poll after all.

[FlawlessVictory]

^You do realize that George Miller cast DJ Cotrona to play Superman in his JL: Mortal film? You want DJ Cotrona as Superman? Perhaps one of the worst casting choices in the history of superhero films. :huh:

[SuperDaniel]

I still hope that Brad Bird or Zemeckis would direct a Superman movie. One with real actors and not digital puppets.
:up:

[Showtime]

That poll is very old. when the threads were merged that was the best of the bunch of polls. I merged 18 director threads together to get this one.

Some of you wanted it clean. It is going to be clean.

[Showtime]

That poll is very old. when the threads were merged that was the best of the bunch of polls. I merged 18 director threads together to get this one.

Some of you wanted it clean. It is going to be clean.

[Webhead2006]

I understand why you did it. Hopefully we can not go to crazy with our debates.

[Jake Cassidy]

Alfonso Cuaron

[Webhead2006]

hmmm

[cerealkiller182]

he seems a little dark for Superman. I think he'd make a kickass Kamandi.

[Octoberist]

Alfonso also directed The Secret Garden so he's versatile enough.

It's funny I've never thought of him. For sure he'll be a great choice but I don't know what he's working on right now.

[jaymes_e06]

Aparently Alfonso will be directing the new Tomb Raider movie too.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I've been pimping Alfonso for the longest.

[Octoberist]

I doubt Alfonso doing Tomb Raider. Heck that project isn't going anyway (yet).

Yeah, I think Alfonso would be awesome.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oddly enough I want him after seeing his work in the dark and fantastic Children of Men.

[Alonsovich]

Brad Bird...:o

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Live action and animation are two different things, thats what gives me pause about Mr. Bird but he is a fantastic director so I wouldn't be crying.

He is on my list by the way.

[Octoberist]

again, let me states that he's working on 1918 for Warner Bros...and it seems like he's stuck in development hell due to the costs of the movie. Warner Bros...hmm.

[dark_b]

if district 9 will be good and if SHH didnt change i expect the name Neill Blomkamp to be mentioned for some months.

[GreenKToo]

Any more rumblings on McTeigue?

[Octoberist]

if district 9 will be good and if SHH didnt change i expect the name Neill Blomkamp to be mentioned for some months.

No doubt that he will be brought up to a whole slew of comic book adaptations, especially DC/WB.

I say that because pretty much, the Marvel adaptations pretty much have their directors set up already so...

And with Halo..Neill was attached to it (with Peter Jackson as producer) three years ago. Now that Speilberg is attached and trying to greenlight it again, maybe Neill might come back to it. Or maybe not.

[Octoberist]

Brad Bird...:o

Let's say Brad Bird doesn't get the Superman gig, I would love for him to do The Flash.

[Blackman]

I mentioned Blomkamp a while ago so it would be cool if ppl get behind him as director after District 9 comes out.
I mean just by the trailers look at the CGI/SFX and that was with 30 mill budget. Of course he had no big stars so the actors didnt cost much

[El Payaso]

Brad Bird...:o

We need him back in The Simpsons.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

We need him back in The Simpsons.Wouldn't that be great?

[dark_b]

I mentioned Blomkamp a while ago so it would be cool if ppl get behind him as director after District 9 comes out.
I mean just by the trailers look at the CGI/SFX and that was with 30 mill budget. Of course he had no big stars so the actors didnt cost muchisnt district hes first full movie?

i say lets whait at least 2 movies. let him make at least 3 movies. and then lets see. and it would help if he would make a movie where i know that PJ is not close to him and maybe helping him out. i am not against PJ helping him. but if he is behind hes shoulder then this could mean that its not everything from him. with Halo we know that Neil would nto make alone this huge big budget movie. PJ would be a big producer and he would help him out.

plus at comic con i think Neil made it very clear that he wants for now to make smaller movies. both he and PJ explained that with a low budget movie the studio is not demanding things. with a 200 movie you need to get the masses in the theater. and you dont always make a 100% movie that you want.there is also more pressure.
if i would be him i would do first some small movies. he has a great teacher(PJ) . :yay:

but even if district is a fantastic movie its still hes first full movie. sometimes some people have luck . and this is a movie that he wanted to make. we dont know how he do with a script that is not from him and where studio has demands.

[dark_b]

superman from Matthew Vaughn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NFt0FQ5_TU&fmt=18

[Christmas]

Looked fine for what that was, but I definitely don't think we missed out on anything special. Compared to that, Singer's visuals look far more interesting to me.

[dark_b]

Looked fine for what that was, but I definitely don't think we missed out on anything special. Compared to that, Singer's visuals look far more interesting to me.dude its a 200 million summer blockbuster :huh::csad:

i just posted as a joke since Millar wanted Vaughn for superman. american action director he he :hehe:

[Christmas]

The intent of your post felt like "look what he coulda done etc..." and in my mind, I thought well...what we got was a lot better.

I now see you meant it as a little chuckle.

My bad.

[GreenKToo]

Vaughn for Condorman. Make it so.:oldrazz:

EDIT: the McTiegue talk has sure settled down hasnt it.

[Christmas]

I guess there have been talks but maybe WB hasn't decided to offer him the job or not and are still seeking treatments and scripts from other writers/directors(??)

He could provide for a very interesting director.

Without anything solid, it feels strange talking about any possible director sometimes.

[GreenKToo]

Possible...or maybe it was never an issue. You would think that if there had been anything to it other outlets with sources would have heard something by now. In other words, we should have had tons of rumors about it.

[FilmNerdJamie]

EDIT: the McTiegue talk has sure settled down hasnt it.

I never thought McTeigue's non-answer to /film was that big of a deal because Singer gave a similar answer awhile back, and that too was irrelevant.

[GreenKToo]

Yup, he did.
I personally wasnt buying into the whole McTiegue rumor, but the thought of ANY NEWS was exciting.

[solidsnake86]

The point of IESB's article though was that superman was being put on the fast track. They never said an announcement was coming in terms of the director, just that they had a short list. I'm sure they would wait to see how ninja assassin does if they were serious about McTeigue. If it is being fast tracked they're probably working on the script right now.

[Showtime]

Exactly.

[GreenKToo]

The point of IESB's article though was that superman was being put on the fast track. They never said an announcement was coming in terms of the director, just that they had a short list. I'm sure they would wait to see how ninja assassin does if they were serious about McTeigue. If it is being fast tracked they're probably working on the script right now.

Exactly.
Oh yeah I know that. I'm refering to McTeigue trying to generate some buzz for himself with the whole non-denial denial. Nothing wrong with that either.
The IESB item is a different matter. I do believe the reboot is fast tracked, and it could well be Mcteigue, who knows, but right now, I think it's anybody's guess as to who will direct.

[solidsnake86]

I could see them worrying about the script at the moment, finishing that up and showing directors the script and saying "here it is, this is what we want to see in the film" since they want a studio director who isn't going to pull a singer. Kinda of like how green lantern ended up going with Campbell and the script by Green, Berlanti and Guggenhiem.

I'm just wondering how long they'll be able to keep it under wraps whose writing the script/story.

[Webhead2006]

Yup should be interesting next few months to see if anything 100% comes about, since we know their will have to be a script/director picked pretty much by the end of the year if they want to hopefully make that 2011 and all that. I still think if director/script can be set by the end of the year, start on prep work, and they can find their cast in a short amount of time(a reasonable time) that is possible by this time next year they could be ready about ready to start shooting.

[GreenKToo]

I could see them worrying about the script at the moment, finishing that up and showing directors the script and saying "here it is, this is what we want to see in the film" since they want a studio director who isn't going to pull a singer. Kinda of like how green lantern ended up going with Campbell and the script by Green, Berlanti and Guggenhiem.

I'm just wondering how long they'll be able to keep it under wraps whose writing the script/story.
I hope not too long. Maybe somebody has the scoop and they won't be able to contain themselves, and before long, they'll blab.:oldrazz:

[Superark]

I hope not too long. Maybe somebody has the scoop and they won't be able to contain themselves, and before long, they'll blab.:oldrazz:

haha yeah right! I think WB has learned their lessons about leaking scripts after the Abrams ordeal

[GreenKToo]

haha yeah right! I think WB has learned their lessons about leaking scripts after the Abrams ordeal
Ha, I meant about who is writing it/will write it.:word:

[Superark]

Ha, I meant about who is writing it/will write it.:word:

I have a feeling that a script will be done and turned in way before we hear who the writer is. I just hope they let Geoff Johns consult with the script writer/s

[solidsnake86]

haha yeah right! I think WB has learned their lessons about leaking scripts after the Abrams ordeal

To be honest I'm 100% sure theres gonna be a script leak to gauge the interest ala begins and green lantern.

[Superark]

To be honest I'm 100% sure theres gonna be a script leak to gauge the interest ala begins and green lantern.

WB always seems be tighter lipped when it comes to Superman IMO. But they very well could leak one, if they feel it's really really good

[solidsnake86]

If you think about it, as long as they don't make any drastic changes like abrams, or add a kid like singer did, I don't think many fans would complain about it. If they go the origin route the only thing I can imagine we'll hear is

1) either its too much like STM or not as good (even though it probably will be better, nostalgia clouds peoples minds though).

2) people didn't want an origin type story and see superman in action right away (too bad as far as I'm concerned).

3) not enough homages to STM (Yes, people on this board wanted tons of them, then when they got it in SR they complained, and I'm sure those people will come back).

[Christmas]

I mean, origin story or not, whether there's lots of action right off the bat, won't make a great film necessarily. It's tricky.

Any director whose previous work was made in a somewhat cynical fashion should be barred form getting the gig IMO. There's gotta be lots of fulfilling stuff emotionally in any great Superman story. Abrams did this really really well in Trek. That opening was so brilliant.

How the suit looks, what the setting is, villains, production design, etc is sort of secondary to me in that way. I'm willing to go along and try to enjoy any visual take on this universe so long as the above is true about the film.

[Webhead2006]

Hopefully we get that solid director, and they give us a well rounded film and it does well. I agree with one of the above posters, they would likely want to have a first draft/treatment script in and oked by the studio before they probably announce anything on writers front. Though i do hope this time around we get to see things in a new and different light, and we get more of the better known/liked comic elements thrown in.

[SuperDaniel]

I want someone in the likes of ron howard, robert zemeckys, brad bird, spielberg, peter jackson to handle Superman.

[Webhead2006]

it would be great if someonew like spielberg/jackson would do it but we know its not possible at this time, bird would be an interesting choice, and zemeckics is into the whole cgi animated films kick right now. And as for howard he is a great director though i dont think he would touch superhero films.

[Angeloz]

I mean, origin story or not, whether there's lots of action right off the bat, won't make a great film necessarily. It's tricky.

Any director whose previous work was made in a somewhat cynical fashion should be barred form getting the gig IMO. There's gotta be lots of fulfilling stuff emotionally in any great Superman story. Abrams did this really really well in Trek. That opening was so brilliant.

How the suit looks, what the setting is, villains, production design, etc is sort of secondary to me in that way. I'm willing to go along and try to enjoy any visual take on this universe so long as the above is true about the film.

I disagree about Abrams and Trek. Although I'll admit I forget what the opening was as I only saw it once. If what you mean includes the music near the start it was the most bland theme possible. Just blah. But then again I just want to forget that film as much as possible.

Angeloz

[jaymes_e06]

^A little harsh, Gretch?

[Angeloz]

^A little harsh, Gretch?

Do you mean me?

Angeloz

[jaymes_e06]

WTF are pop culture refrences for these days?!

Mean Girls... anyone?

Just because it was a bad pcr doesn't mean it wasn't one.

Seriously does no one remeber that line other than me?

[Angeloz]

WTF are pop culture refrences for these days?!

Mean Girls... anyone?

Just because it was a bad pcr doesn't mean it wasn't one.

Seriously does no one remeber that line other than me?

I've never watched the film. So that's why I don't know it (I was an adult when it came out so not into Lindsey Lohan).

Angeloz

[jaymes_e06]

Oh okay I was just teasing anyway I just watched it recently (vintage Lohan was just the bees knees but now... :( ) Yeah it's a cool flick if not a guilty pleasure I recomend watching.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think that it's surprising when people don't like a movie I did...at least I don't think that anymore.

So Angel didn't think highly of Star Trek, I say so what? It's her opinion and it's not shocking at all as not everyone digs every movie that everyone else digs.

I didn't think highly of Superman Returns, the X-men movies, Wolverine, HellBoy 2 or Hulk, I'm not saying that to be different or bad ass, I'm saying that because it's my honest opinion. I reckon she is being harsh about Trek because thats what she feels...thats why I'm so hard on Superman Returns.

You know, obviously you can infer that I disagree with her. I'd be jumping for joy if the next Superman movie was as good as Star Trek and I didn't love Star Trek as much as some other folk on here. I'd even feel a mildly pleasant feeling if the next Superman movie was as entertaining as the first Fantastic Four movie and despite me liking the flick I know that it isn't special at all.

P.S

No the X-flicks don't really belong on that crap list but they are so overrated that I put them on there. I was fixin to put Batman Begins on there too but then I remembered that despite the ridiculous unwarranted praise that it gets that it's still a pretty good movie until the terrible 3rd act.

[Adenjo]

Let Michael Bay it.

Superman on steroids.. Doing overblown rescues on an overblown scale.. More explosions than you can shake a stick at.. lots of slow motion cape flapping/flag waving... And a crap load of assess on seats.

[Angeloz]

I don't think that it's surprising when people don't like a movie I did...at least I don't think that anymore.

So Angel didn't think highly of Star Trek, I say so what? It's her opinion and it's not shocking at all as not everyone digs every movie that everyone else digs.

I didn't think highly of Superman Returns, the X-men movies, Wolverine, HellBoy 2 or Hulk, I'm not saying that to be different or bad ass, I'm saying that because it's my honest opinion. I reckon she is being harsh about Trek because thats what she feels...thats why I'm so hard on Superman Returns.

You know, obviously you can infer that I disagree with her. I'd be jumping for joy if the next Superman movie was as good as Star Trek and I didn't love Star Trek as much as some other folk on here. I'd even feel a mildly pleasant feeling if the next Superman movie was as entertaining as the first Fantastic Four movie and despite me liking the flick I know that it isn't special at all.

P.S

No the X-flicks don't really belong on that crap list but they are so overrated that I put them on there. I was fixin to put Batman Begins on there too but then I remembered that despite the ridiculous unwarranted praise that it gets that it's still a pretty good movie until the terrible 3rd act.

Thank you for my defence. I'll admit I disagree with you on many things but I've generally liked you because of the way you post around here. I guess I was lucky not to be involved with forums of most kinds (except Angel & BTVS ones) to not have my opinion of the X-Men films ruined. I could enjoy them in peace.

By the way I'd be strongly not wanting the next Superman film be like "Star Trek" (2009). I wouldn't object to the tone being similar (i.e. light). Just not the storytelling (moronic). And can they please not have crap music either. I think that had to be my least liked film score. Although I haven't watched some of the later films more than once or twice. That said I don't remember not liking the music even if it's been awhile.

Angeloz

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No prob Angeloz.

I liked the Star Trek music well enough, it wasn't Michael Giacchino's best work but it was far from bad IMHO.

And clearly the story was the worst part of Star Trek but I still thought that the movie worked extremely well because of the director and actors. Again I think you have a point when it comes to Star Trek concerning it's storytelling but it didn't ruin the movie for me.

I'm trying to get over the fact that you can see the dumb parts of Star Trek's storyline and not Superman Returns... but thats just us not agreeing on the movies again...no big deal. lol

[Angeloz]

No prob Angeloz.

I liked the Star Trek music well enough, it wasn't Michael Giacchino's best work but it was far from bad IMHO.

And clearly the story was the worst part of Star Trek but I still thought that the movie worked extremely well because of the director and actors. Again I think you have a point when it comes to Star Trek concerning it's storytelling but it didn't ruin the movie for me.

I'm trying to get over the fact that you can see the dumb parts of Star Trek's storyline and not Superman Returns... but thats just us not agreeing on the movies again...no big deal. lol

I do understand the criticisms about "Superman Returns" but like you with "Star Trek" it didn't worry me. Maybe because I don't mind different versions of Superman being out there. Details may change which you may like or not. I just happened to like that one. As I've liked many versions of his story.

The reason why I dislike "Star Trek" boils down to it wasn't what I wanted. I might have been won over however. I was hoping it might. It didn't. What I wanted was a Trek set in the future with new characters. Have an old character introduce them (I wouldn't mind that). But no - they instead - stuck it in the past with new crappier versions of the old characters. Not something that will win me over. And to be technical the time travel story was explained wrong. But that's technical (unless there was something not mentioned in the film which was elsewhere as I never looked it up). If I allowed myself to care then I'd really hate what they did to Vulcan. But I choose not to care.

Angeloz

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I do understand the criticisms about "Superman Returns" but like you with "Star Trek" it didn't worry me. Maybe because I don't mind different versions of Superman being out there. Details may change which you may like or not. I just happened to like that one. As I've liked many versions of his story.

The reason why I dislike "Star Trek" boils down to it wasn't what I wanted. I might have been won over however. I was hoping it might. It didn't. What I wanted was a Trek set in the future with new characters. Have an old character introduce them (I wouldn't mind that). But no - they instead - stuck it in the past with new crappier versions of the old characters. Not something that will win me over. And to be technical the time travel story was explained wrong. But that's technical (unless there was something not mentioned in the film which was elsewhere as I never looked it up). If I allowed myself to care then I'd really hate what they did to Vulcan. But I choose not to care.

AngelozI don't mind different versions of stories either, I just plain don't care for the Richard Donner version of Superman, thus it was inevitable that I wouldn't care for Superman Returns.

If you change a few details and replace "Star Trek" with "Superman Returns" you just pretty much explained why I didn't like the flick.

I think we are kinda reaching an understanding here.

To sum things up:

Regarding Star Trek, you didn't like the portrayal of the characters, disliked storyline and you wanted something brand new.

Regarding Superman Returns, I didn't like the portrayal of the characters, disliked the storyline and wanted something brand new.

I think we've reached some kind of understanding.:hehe:

[Angeloz]

I don't mind different versions of stories either, I just plain don't care for the Richard Donner version of Superman, thus it was inevitable that I wouldn't care for Superman Returns.

If you change a few details and replace "Star Trek" with "Superman Returns" you just pretty much explained why I didn't like the flick.

I think we are kinda reaching an understanding here.

To sum things up:

Regarding Star Trek, you didn't like the portrayal of the characters, disliked storyline and you wanted something brand new.

Regarding Superman Returns, I didn't like the portrayal of the characters, disliked the storyline and wanted something brand new.

I think we've reached some kind of understanding.:hehe:

True except I think "Star Trek" was an even crappier version of the characters. I mean they make the so called (super) genius characters idiots. That can't tell the difference between alternate and altered reality. At least Krypton was destroyed but I didn't know Vulcan was Krypton. Never mind just bad memories. Sorry it pushes my buttons.

Angeloz

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Did you forget my constant posts in which I called Superman an idiot for being surprised that Lois was mad at him for vanishing for 5 years and him not guessing that the 5 year old kid could be his son seeing as how he had sex with her around that time period? Did you forget my constant b**ching about Superman visiting a planet that he knew blew up for reasons that the movie didn't explain because apparently they cut out the explaination but even the cut out explaination sounds stupid to me.

Or Lois foolishly taking her son on a mysterious boat? She'll win mother of the year.

F**k it, now I'm letting out my anger...again. lol

[BenReilly]

At least Krypton was destroyed but I didn't know Vulcan was Krypton.

What's really funny and ironic is that Abrams blew up Vulcan but when he was writing Superman, he left Krypton intact.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Star Trek is Star Wars with Star Trek characters. I know that and I still liked it, so either the movie worked for you or it didn't.

[Angeloz]

Did you forget my constant posts in which I called Superman an idiot for being surprised that Lois was mad at him for vanishing for 5 years and him not guessing that the 5 year old kid could be his son seeing as how he had sex with her around that time period? Did you forget my constant b**ching about Superman visiting a planet that he knew blew up for reasons that the movie didn't explain because apparently they cut out the explaination but even the cut out explaination sounds stupid to me.

Or Lois foolishly taking her son on a mysterious boat? She'll win mother of the year.

F**k it, now I'm letting out my anger...again. lol

I can live with him being not perfect. But I can and do understand why you might not. By the way Lois always ends up doing stupid stuff. But vent away.

What's really funny and ironic is that Abrams blew up Vulcan but when he was writing Superman, he left Krypton intact.

I know.

Star Trek is Star Wars with Star Trek characters. I know that and I still liked it, so either the movie worked for you or it didn't.

It depends I think "Star Trek" might have better direction (at least compared to the Prequels) and actors (although I think it was the bad direction that was the problem with the Prequels). But writing was variable on both (the Prequels had bad dialogue and "Star Trek" a dumb story and plot). That said I liked what Star Wars was meant to be about. Not so much with the other one.

Angeloz

[JAK®]

I don't see what was so dumb about Star Trek's plot. It was simple and that's why it worked.

[Lightning54SC]

Speilberg would be great if he can follow the Birthright story line correct then im all for it, JUST NO SINGER!

[Octoberist]

Speilberg during his Amblin years would have been magical. I don't know that the modern day Speilberg could be as good.

[GreenKToo]

Spielberg would be good, but if I could have my wish, it'd be Jackson directing, spielberg producing, and shore doing the score. And this would be my wish cast.

Superman/ Clark Kent: Michael Trucco, Routh, or an unknown.

Lois Lane: Zooey Deschanel

Lex Luthor: Daniel Day-Lewis.

Morgan Edge: Powers Booth

Perry White: Ian McShane.

Jimmy Olsen: Shia Labeouf

Brainiac: Hugo Weaving. ( small role in the first film, much bigger role in the sequel)

Metallo: Thomas Jane

Jor-el: Jim Caviezel

Lara: Carrie-Ann Moss

Jonathan Kent: Dennis Quaid

Martha Kent: Genna Davis.

[Webhead2006]

Just to jump into the trek talk for a min myself. Overall i enjoyed the film alot, yes i didnt care much for some of the actors in the roles. But i think they did pretty well. The look was bright and fun same as the tone, which i would like to see in next supes film myself. Story i thought was interesting and to me i clearly told me that with spock/nero going into the past they caused an alternate time line/universe to form and the 2009 film takes place their were as the original trek timeline/universe is still out their and could easily be revisted any time a writer/studio wants too.

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Just to jump into the trek talk for a min myself. Overall i enjoyed the film alot, yes i didnt care much for some of the actors in the roles. But i think they did pretty well. The look was bright and fun same as the tone, which i would like to see in next supes film myself. Story i thought was interesting and to me i clearly told me that with spock/nero going into the past they caused an alternate time line/universe to form and the 2009 film takes place their were as the original trek timeline/universe is still out their and could easily be revisted any time a writer/studio wants too.

[Angeloz]

I don't see what was so dumb about Star Trek's plot. It was simple and that's why it worked.

You tempt me to answer...

Just to jump into the trek talk for a min myself. Overall i enjoyed the film alot, yes i didnt care much for some of the actors in the roles. But i think they did pretty well. The look was bright and fun same as the tone, which i would like to see in next supes film myself. Story i thought was interesting and to me i clearly told me that with spock/nero going into the past they caused an alternate time line/universe to form and the 2009 film takes place their were as the original trek timeline/universe is still out their and could easily be revisted any time a writer/studio wants too.

That's the optimistic view. Although I like to pretend Spock Prime is from an alternate universe from the original Trek one. That way the original Spock did not fail to save a planet and the screwy timeline doesn't matter. I don't get how a more screwed up timeline with more screwed up characters is meant to be as good as the original version. Oh wait it's the new dumber Trek that requires you to leave your brain at the door. Otherwise you'll drown from the stupidity. Oh well hopefully I can go back to forgetting about it.

Angeloz

[Angeloz]

Ack.

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Argh.

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Bugger.

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[Angeloz]

I'm not doing this deliberately.

Angeloz

[Angeloz]

This was a bad computer stuff up.

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[Angeloz]

This is annoying.

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Nearly all of them.

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[Angeloz]

Sorry guys I didn't do this for my own amusement see below.

Angeloz

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I wasn't asking for him to be perfect Angeloz, nobody is perfect and a perfect character is a boring one. Maybe I'm not a great one but I fancy myself and sort of writer and I would never write a perfect character.

I like flaws, I want Superman to be flawed but I think there is a difference from him being flawed and being a dumbass jerk.

Like everyother Human I'm flawed, I've done s**t before but there is a limit to what I will do. I wouldn't skip out of the love of my life for five years and not expect em to be angry about it...thats not flawed thats just dumb.

[Webhead2006]

Sorry for all those posts guys, board was really acting up earlier.

[Angeloz]

Me too Webhead2006. :)

[Angeloz]

Sorry the forum has been playing up on me.

Angeloz

[Webhead2006]

Yea i wonder what was up with the boards today doing multi posts and for awhile at different points i had the error mesage board down stuff. As for who ever takes the reigns for supes if we are lucky to actually get another film going which i really hope they can. I do hope he or even she looks at what fans didnt like last time what worked, and finds that middle ground, well making a well rounded film with newer elements thrown in and good villains and all that.

Like i said before it would be a great feeling one of these days to wake up or get online at some point in the day head over to news sites/here or other forum spots and see the 100% confirmed its happening news of writers/director/direction, and then casting down the road.

[NotFadeAway]

While this comment already borders on being a flavor of the month suggestion, I'd like to make it before it becomes a full on flavor of the month suggestion......

I say we all take a look at Neill Blomkamp's District 9 thats opening this weekend. On several occasions I've mentioned that Peter Jackson is my pure fanboy choice to Direct Superman, and Blomkamp is a figurative student of Jackson, so I'm very, very interested.

[GreenKToo]

Jackson would be my dream director for Superman.

[NotFadeAway]

Jackson would be my dream director for Superman.

Which is why we should keep an eye open with District 9.....Blomkamp could be the next best thing.

[jaymes_e06]

^Hmmmm... Not a bad idea at all!

[NotFadeAway]

^Hmmmm... Not a bad idea at all!

All indications point to the man having an abundance of talent, and he is a student of Peter Jackson. Get him while we can.

[jaymes_e06]

He'd be way cheaper than Jackson too! :up:

[NotFadeAway]

He'd be way cheaper than Jackson too! :up:

And more likely to sign a 3-4 picture deal:yay::yay::yay:

[DA Dent]

I hope it's not Peter Jackson, Lord of the Rings literally bored me to sleep.

[GreenKToo]

Oh wow really? One of my all time favs. Each to their own tho.

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah peter Jackson, and Stephen Spielberg. Dream team for supes!