The Official Choose A Director Thread

[Octoberist]

If Jackson got a hold of it, it would be something special.

[Krug3r]

We will see how that dream team plays out in Tin Tin

[Octoberist]

IF WB is smart, they would try to get Neil Bloomkamp.

I haven't seen District 9 yet (Friday night) but he's young, creative, a geek (from the video interviews that I've seen of him) and best of all, very a talented storyteller. If you can't get a Peter Jackson type, then get a guy who could be the next Peter Jackson (or his own thing), Neill Bloomkamp.

When it comes to Marvel movies, they pretty much have the directors they need for Thor, Captain America, and possibly the Avengers. DC has a chance to nab this guy for a DC project..any DC project at this point. There's plenty in development without a proper director (Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Arrow/Supermax)

[roach]

I dont know about Jackson his King Kong wasnt quite right.....If I had to choose it would be Zack Snyder

[Octoberist]

Zach is doing Sucker Punch. Also, he's working on his animated feature AND Heavy Metal. He's a busy man as of right now unless he's willing to work straight through. You have to remember, pre-production is super important.

(I wouldn't mind Zach. I'm not trying to shoot you down.)

[BenReilly]

Zach is doing Sucker Punch. Also, he's working on his animated feature AND Heavy Metal. He's a busy man as of right now unless he's willing to work straight through. You have to remember, pre-production is super important.

(I wouldn't mind Zach. I'm not trying to shoot you down.)

Regardless of all of that, Snyder was offered the job of directing the next Superman film and he turned it down. He had no interest in it.

Superman seems too earnest

Of course, as this summer and this comic-book convention have unfolded, it has become clear that no one is Superman anymore. Perhaps, says Watchmen director Zack Snyder, Superman is gone for good.

"They asked me to direct a Superman movie, and I said no," Snyder says. "He's a tricky one nowadays, isn't he? He's the king daddy of all comic-book heroes, but I'm just not sure how you sell that kind of earnestness to a sophisticated audience anymore."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/2008-07-27-comic-con-wrapup_N.htm

[RachelDawes]

Regardless of all of that, Snyder was offered the job of directing the next Superman film and he turned it down. He had no interest in it.

Just based on Watchmen and what I know of 300 I'd say his style is all wrong for Supes. Anyone who can't imagine how to sell an earnest Superman isn't right to direct him anyway. I suppose he could change but based on that quote it sounds like he wouldn't want to.

[AntMan]

Just based on Watchmen and what I know of 300 I'd say his style is all wrong for Supes. Anyone who can't imagine how to sell an earnest Superman isn't right to direct him anyway. I suppose he could change but based on that quote it sounds like he wouldn't want to.

QFT.

Zack Snyder is absolutely the wrong person for Superman. I just don't think he can provide the warmth that a character like Superman needs. He's a great action director, but he's not a great storyteller yet. That's not to say he won't grow to become one, I just haven't seen it from him thus far.

[Webhead2006]

Well i hope and wish we do get another film within the deadline they have and then hopefully more. But with the 2013 shuster stuff come into play their, and now that the siegels gaining the rights to various origin elements. I wonder what is going to happen now. Will they try to do a reboot, will they be able to use the origins still. If they make the film by the deadline will they be able to make any more movies 2013+..... So many questions.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

WB likes money and so do the fams, they will work something out and we well get another Superman movie.

[Webhead2006]

I really hope so spidey, just things are continually not looking good on wb/dc front on superman. And finanically would they think they can still make a killing and all that.

[Timstuff]

Since Superman is not nearly as valuable without any of the post-Action Comics #1 elements, and those elements are not nearly as valuable without the names Superman, Clark Kent, Lois Lane, or his origin, it's pretty obvious they'll work something out. It all comes down to both of them wanting to make money, and they both stand to make the most money by co-operating. If the Shusters try to take the rights somewhere else, no-one wins.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I really hope so spidey, just things are continually not looking good on wb/dc front on superman. And finanically would they think they can still make a killing and all that.They can still make a killing but the next few movies have to be more entertaining than Superman Returns to the general audience if they want to make that money.

Since Superman is not nearly as valuable without any of the post-Action Comics #1 elements, and those elements are not nearly as valuable without the names Superman, Clark Kent, Lois Lane, or his origin, it's pretty obvious they'll work something out. It all comes down to both of them wanting to make money, and they both stand to make the most money by co-operating. If the Shusters try to take the rights somewhere else, no-one wins.Yep. Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I just see this whole thing as a cry for more money by the Shusters...when WB finally gives them that money I think that they will go away and let the creative people play.

[Webhead2006]

It is true we dont know what is ultimately going to happen and all that. And it will be interesting if the families did choose to rip the character out of DCU and take it elsewhere. But with how comics are today and today's generation i dont think it will be as sucessful as the icon version we have today with all elements in tact. Hopefully this all does work out for all parties and us fans. It would be so sad to see the character just fade away and be gone.

[Willi Berg]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/08/20/exclusive-rumored-superman-director-reveals-his-vision-for-man-of-steel/

(VIDEO INTERVIEW)
EXCLUSIVE: Rumored 'Superman' Director Reveals His Vision For Man Of Steel

Posted 1 hr ago by Rick Marshall in DC Comics, News, Video

"Ninja Assassin" and "V For Vendetta" director James McTeigue has long been rumored as one of the leading candidates to take over Warner Bros.' stalled Superman movie franchise.

Earlier this month, McTeigue offered a vague, somewhat cryptic response when asked whether the rumors were true—so we couldn't help putting the question to him again when he dropped by Splash Page HQ today. Fresh off wrapping things up with the much-anticipated, action-packed "Ninja Assassin," McTeigue would "neither confirm nor deny" his attachment to a new "Superman" movie... but he did tell us where he'd like to go with DC's Man of Steel if—and that's a big if—he was in the director's chair.

"I think if I was ever going to go near Superman, I would do a complete reboot—take it in a direction that you would absolutely not expect, actually," McTeigue told MTV News. "So, that would be my thinking on it, if I was ever going to go near Superman."

Elaborating on the direction he'd like to take Superman in a potential movie, McTeigue said recent events would seem to work in favor of a new take on the Man of Steel.

"I think it's good that they just had a court case where, basically, if you make another Superman movie, you can't touch Superman growing up—that's part of the story that you can't touch any more," he said. "That wouldn't be a bad thing. I think everybody's a bit sick of seeing the origin story."

While we can't stress enough that McTeigue isn't officially on board the potential big-screen reboot of the "Superman" movie franchise, it's certainly interesting to know what one of the rumored top contenders would like to do with the character if he had the chance.

[craigdbfan]

Very interesting indeed.

Looks like WB really can't mess around with the origins story now. Well I don't think they should create a new one specifically for the movie, they might as well start the story off with an active SM/Clark.

[GreenKToo]

Well thank the stars, we have some more rumors (bout freakin' time):D

[Octoberist]

finally.

[GreenKToo]

"I think if I was ever going to go near Superman, I would do a complete reboot—take it in a direction that you would absolutely not expect, actually," McTeigue told MTV News. "So, that would be my thinking on it, if I was ever going to go near Superman."

Elaborating on the direction he'd like to take Superman in a potential movie, McTeigue said recent events would seem to work in favor of a new take on the Man of Steel.


At least its something.

[Webhead2006]

well it was nice to hear what he had to say about things if he does/would be picked for supes. As for what he said i did like that he would want to full on reboot it too. As for origins i hope they could still use krypton and all that and it was used in some way.

[Octoberist]

hes so open about it. For the most part. it tell me something..

[GreenKToo]

He could be just thinking out loud *AT* wb.

[BenReilly]

hes so open about it. For the most part. it tell me something..

McTeague definitely wants the job, I think that much is clear. Whether he get's it remains to be seen at this point. He probably is in the running and on the the studio's shortlist of directors.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not tired of the orgin because I've only seen Superman's orgin on the bigscreen...once.

[Blackman]

Snyder Superman? lol

I like his films but I dont think hes good for Superman. Glad he turned it down. Its a shame that the public see Superman as old, unrelatable, & nearly impossible to bring to the screen

[jaymes_e06]

Me either Snyder would be more in line with WW and even that is pushing it.

[Blackman]

I think Snyder should do The Punisher...that would be pretty badass

He seems more like a DC/WB guy though

[Willi Berg]

He could be just thinking out loud *AT* wb.
I thought that too but also maybe he is saying what he is *allowed* to say by WB. They could've told him to give some info. and the info. he happened to give was a direct response to the recent court ruling news, maybe to prepare fans for what type of Superman movie they are planning.

If he was already negotiating with WB they would tell him whether he could talk about it or not.

[jaymes_e06]

I think Snyder should do The Punisher...that would be pretty badass

He seems more like a DC/WB guy though
That would be badass or better yet Daredevil! That would be a sick movie.

[batman44]

Interesting. Nice name Willi Berg, welcome to the Hype.

[GreenKToo]

I thought that too but also maybe he is saying what he is *allowed* to say by WB. They could've told him to give some info. and the info. he happened to give was a direct response to the recent court ruling news, maybe to prepare fans for what type of Superman movie they are planning.

If he was already negotiating with WB they would tell him whether he could talk about it or not.
Its possible.

[Willi Berg]

Interesting. Nice name Willi Berg, welcome to the Hype.
Thanks!

[GreenKToo]

You broke the news drought. I'd give you a cookie if I could, but my thanx will have to do.

[Willi Berg]

No worries, GreenKToo, I lurk here and read a lot of what you guys have been saying.

[GreenKToo]

I hope there is something to it, but the legal situation has me worried.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think SR would have made 391mil if people thought that.

Regardless of ones opinion of the flick, it didn't exactly create a huge amount of hype for a sequel. The word on it was meh.

Thats why, after they signed Singer up for a sequel, they let Dougherty and Harris go. As Show said you can't really deny that a sequel was in the works because Singer was re-signed after the boxoffice numbers were in. IMHO, the sequel isn't here because of Singer's ego.

Thats good news to me and bad news to the fans who did enjoy the flick.

[Octoberist]

I thought that too but also maybe he is saying what he is *allowed* to say by WB. They could've told him to give some info. and the info. he happened to give was a direct response to the recent court ruling news, maybe to prepare fans for what type of Superman movie they are planning.

If he was already negotiating with WB they would tell him whether he could talk about it or not.

I mean, let's say he's actually not in the running, a smart director is a businessman and wouldn't take chances to plug themselve via MTV.com.

So I think he is talking to WB about it; he's not stupid. And I agree that he was probably told what and what not to say, since his "POSSIBLE" involvement got leaked out through iesb.net

[Octoberist]

I don't think SR would have made 391mil if people thought that.

Regardless of ones opinion of the flick, it didn't exactly create a huge amount of hype for a sequel. The word on it was meh.

Thats why, after they signed Singer up for a sequel, they let Dougherty and Harris go. As Show said you can't really deny that a sequel was in the works because Singer was re-signed after the boxoffice numbers were in. IMHO, the sequel isn't here because of Singer's ego.

Thats good news to me and bad news to the fans who did enjoy the flick.

If I'm not mistaken, before Harris and Dogherty were let go, they were consisently pitching ideas to the WB. I think they even wanted Darkseid, which seems like a response from the studio and fans of the dire need of more action and a big threat. I don't remember where I got that from though, but I swear they pitched it at one time.

[GreenKToo]

If I'm not mistaken, before Harris and Dogherty were let go, they were consisently pitching ideas to the WB. I think they even wanted Darkseid, which seems like a response from the studio and fans of the dire need of more action and a big threat. I don't remember where I got that from though, but I swear they pitched it at one time.
I remember it too. They did (supposedlly) pitch Darkseid and WB rejected it.
It sounds to me that WB knew back then that a new direction was needed.
At least thats the way I look at it.

[Octoberist]

I remember it too. They did (supposedlly) pitch Darkseid and WB rejected it.
It sounds to me that WB knew back then that a new direction was needed.
At least thats the way I look at it.

I think the WB already made up their minds already about the two. So even if they pitch the idea ever, they probabl would reject them.

What sucks was that WB kinda sabotage their careers at the studio, hence the Trick R Treat situation.

[GreenKToo]

I wonder if showy and jamie are hearing any rumblings about McTeigue...

[Octoberist]

i dont' know. I think they as much as we do.

[FlawlessVictory]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/08/20/exclusive-rumored-superman-director-reveals-his-vision-for-man-of-steel/

I think what is most telling of this is that he is aware of the recent court ruling. He seems to be in the know.

I'm not tired of the orgin because I've only seen Superman's orgin on the bigscreen...once.

Thank you. An origin done over 30 years ago that can definitely be improved upon.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If I'm not mistaken, before Harris and Dogherty were let go, they were consisently pitching ideas to the WB. I think they even wanted Darkseid, which seems like a response from the studio and fans of the dire need of more action and a big threat. I don't remember where I got that from though, but I swear they pitched it at one time.Reportly they did pitch some ideas.

I think the WB already made up their minds already about the two. So even if they pitch the idea ever, they probabl would reject them.Agreed.

[Blackman]

I think what is most telling of this is that he is aware of the recent court ruling. He seems to be in the know.



Thank you. An origin done over 30 years ago that can definitely be improved upon.
Exactly. The origin hasnt been told in 30 years its not like the case of Hulk.

If Hulk (2003) was followed by a reboot that followed an origin then I wouldve been like they didnt have to do that. But when you have a origin story that hasnt been told in 30 yrs then its very reasonable to do that. But with the court ruling Im not sure

[Man of Tomorrow]

I don't think McTeigue realizes that the Superman origins are only off the table by 2013.

If they can get an origin film in development by 2011, the origins can be told.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I respect the opinions of people who don't want an orgin story but saying that the orgin story on the big screen has been done to death is beyond f**king false.

SmallVille should play no part in the Orgin discussion because SmallVille is a little seen T.V show thats on it's last legs.

Most people are smart enought to know the difference between a T.V show and a movie...I don't remember "Batman: The animated Series" hurting Batman Forever at the boxoffice.

Some people just need to stop with the false excuses. Just say you don't want an orgin story and be done with it, don't pretend that we have a 1000 Superman orgin story movies and thats the reason you don't want an orgin story...because we don't!

Most moviegoers don't read comicbooks so they don't even know about the constant re-starts of Superman.

[Willi Berg]

I don't think McTeigue realizes that the Superman origins are only off the table by 2013.

If they can get an origin film in development by 2011, the origins can be told.
But the Variety article states:

This means the Siegels -- repped by Marc Toberoff (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/31366/Marc%20Toberoff.html?dataSet=1) of Toberoff & Associates -- now control depictions of Superman's origins from the planet Krypton, his parents Jor-El and Lora, Superman as the infant Kal-El, the launching of the infant Superman into space by his parents as Krypton explodes and his landing on Earth in a fiery crash.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007269.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

2013 is when more elements will belong to the Siegels ie. all of Action Comics #1.

[cerealkiller182]

I respect the opinions of people who don't want an orgin story but saying that the orgin story on the big screen has been done to death is beyond f**king false.

SmallVille should play no part in the Orgin discussion because SmallVille is a little seen T.V show thats on it's last legs.

Most people are smart enought to know the difference between a T.V show and a movie...I don't remember "Batman: The animated Series" hurting Batman Forever at the boxoffice.

Some people just need to stop with the false excuses. Just say you don't want an orgin story and be done with it, don't pretend that we have a 1000 Superman orgin story movies and thats the reason you don't want an orgin story...because we don't!

Most moviegoers don't read comicbooks so they don't even know about the constant re-starts of Superman.

I dont want another origin story because origin stories in general have been done to death. Superman's is considerably different than most and could pull it off, but theres only so many times I can see a character learn powers, try to use them against a villain who learns his moves considerably faster than the hero, and than win in the end. Think out of the box

[Octoberist]

I think if they went with another Origin movie, it just feels like Superman - as a movie series - is on a plateau, with no real progression going on. The mentality of "We'll do Brainiac or whomever next time" is getting frickin' old with me because that's what the writers of Superman Returns said about the next villain. And guess what? There won't be a direct sequel to Superman Returns.

I've said it before and I've said it again: They have to think of the next Superman as their 'last'. If that's the case, then ALL OUT, GUNS A-BLAZIN'. Bring a new supervillain to show the raw power of Superman. Keep the warmth and ideals of the Donner movies but make the reboot feel new.

[Octoberist]

If they seriously do an Origins movie, it won't bring in the non-fans. I tell you right now, unless it's an awesome Origins story.

The people who think Superman is boring won't even bother, and that kind of stigma needs to go away. How do you do it: You move on from the origins, and do a new story.

[cerealkiller182]

I've said it before and I've said it again: They have to think of every movie as their 'last'.

Fixed. Its a stigma that runs deep. I hate hearing directors say "Now that we got past the first movie, we can do something cool now." (paraphrase)

[Man of Tomorrow]

But the Variety article states:


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007269.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

2013 is when more elements will belong to the Siegels ie. all of Action Comics #1.


So the acquisitions of those things; including Krypton, Jorel, Lara etc.. already happened?


Wow. That would really suck if they were off the table.

It would be challenging to re-tell the Superman origins in a reboot without those elements.

[cerealkiller182]

Challenging? Practically impossible since those are the origins.

[Octoberist]

They still can, but they have to pay up. To save SOME money, they should just avoid using those characters and Krypton. Maybe they can mention Krypton, but the Kal El's parents can be left out if need.

[Man of Tomorrow]

True.

I suppose they could do more of a 'year one' story like how "Lois and Clark" started with Kent moving to Metropolis and developing his Superman identity.


However, it would still be a tricky venture to not mention Krypton or his biological parents.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If they seriously do an Origins movie, it won't bring in the non-fans. I tell you right now, unless it's an awesome Origins story.

The people who think Superman is boring won't even bother, and that kind of stigma needs to go away. How do you do it: You move on from the origins, and do a new story.Well I think it's clear I disagree with you about this. I think that a good/entertaining orgin story could easily bring in bank and excite people.

No matter which route they choose to go I don't think they should spend too much on it because I don't see the movie making much more than the 200mil SR did. The first movie is going to have to been seen as a rebuilding of the franchise and not an instant money maker.

[Man of Tomorrow]

So the heirs will acquire 'Clark Kent' 'Superman' 'Lois Lane' and all the other aspects of Action #1 in 2013?


Wouldn't that cause a problem for any potential sequels of this film? Or does this 2011 film development deal settle that?

[FlawlessVictory]

IMO, it would be very dumb for WB to go into their next Superman film with certain things off the table. That to me is just half ass. Negotiate with the family and get it settled. And don't limit the next screenwriter to what he can and can't do. The notion of WB doing something to save money is so silly to me. Considering they gave Singer that contract that he will get paid on now and the money given to Burton, Cage, etc...

These are important and key elements to the Superman mythos, whether they do a full on origin or not. They should not compromise themselves like that. Get it all out on the table. Go into the next Superman movie with all options available.

[cerealkiller182]

However, it would still be a tricky venture to not mention Krypton or his biological parents.

Supes came to Earth as an infant. You could probably swing the orphan scenatio. "Dont know who my real parents are or where I came from"

[Willi Berg]

In the novel "It's Superman!" by Tom De Haven, they don't depict or mention Krypton, they don't mention Jor-El, nor do Clark and the Kents have any knowledge of his homeworld or his real parents. It's all a big mystery to them. Jonathan Kent just tells the story that they found the rocket ship with him in it, sent him to an orphanage and then adopted him. There is some time spent with Clark as young man in Smallville, but the story still worked without the drama of the last days of Krypton.

I hope Krypton isn't completely removed from a Superman movie series, but I think it is possible to leave it out for a first movie.

[Octoberist]

I think it'll become more difficult but not impossible, MoT

[Octoberist]

In the novel "It's Superman!" by Tom De Haven, they don't depict or mention Krypton, they don't mention Jor-El, nor do Clark and the Kents have any knowledge of any his homeworld or his real parents. It's all a big mystery to them. Jonathan Kent just tells the story that they found the rocket ship with him in it, sent him to an orphanage and then adopted him. There is some time spent with Clark as young man in Smallville, but the story still worked without the drama of the last days of Krypton.

I hope Krypton isn't completely removed from a Superman movie series, but I think it is possible to leave it out for a first movie.

I've heard it's a damn good book

[Octoberist]

Well I think it's clear I disagree with you about this. I think that a good/entertaining orgin story could easily bring in bank and excite people.

No matter which route they choose to go I don't think they should spend too much on it because I don't see the movie making much more than the 200mil SR did. The first movie is going to have to been seen as a rebuilding of the franchise and not an instant money maker.

But I'm not against an origin story, but I would like to move on from it. If they do it and do it right, they have my support as a fan.

Budget wise, if they can spend 150, they should be enough. I think Dark Knight and Iron Man both were in that range.

[Willi Berg]

So the heirs will acquire 'Clark Kent' 'Superman' 'Lois Lane' and all the other aspects of Action #1 in 2013?


Wouldn't that cause a problem for any potential sequels of this film? Or does this 2011 film development deal settle that?
I think it would cause problems. I am not sure, but I keep thinking that in 2013, WB will have to pay for the rights of things like the costume if they want to make a sequel. And Lois would have to be included.

And Krypton would have to be a factor at some point, in terms of properly exploring Superman's full story in any sequels.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Supes came to Earth as an infant. You could probably swing the orphan scenatio. "Dont know who my real parents are or where I came from"

That could work but it's pretty weak for general audiences who are being introduced to Superman for the first time here to have no explanation of his Kryptonian origins and it being left a mystery.

[SuperDaniel]

I personally don't care for Krypton. What i want to see is the Smallville scenes done right, like in Superman for all seasons. That is a must in the next movie because it shows Superman's motivations and i don't think that was ever explored in any medium aside from the comics.

No more some holographic parent brainwashing Clark kent into being Jesus Christ. I want to see Clark chosing to be a hero because he sees the destruction of the Tornado in Smallville and sees he could've done more to protect the people.

[Man of Tomorrow]

"In 2008, the same court order ruled on summary judgment that the Siegels had successfully recaptured (as of 1999) Siegel's copyright in Action Comics No. 1, giving them rights to the Superman character, including his costume, his alter-ego as reporter Clark Kent (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/578473/Clark%20Kent.html?dataSet=1), the feisty reporter Lois Lane, their jobs at the Daily Planet newspaper working for a gruff editor, and the love triangle among Clark/Superman and Lois."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007269.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


What does this mean?


The Siegels already control those aspects too!?

[manofsteel4life]

Supes came to Earth as an infant. You could probably swing the orphan scenatio. "Dont know who my real parents are or where I came from"
that's a pretty good idea...but where do we go after that....its like you get stuck again..:csad:

[Willi Berg]

I personally don't care for Krypton. What i want to see is the Smallville scenes done right, like in Superman for all seasons. That is a must in the next movie because it shows Superman's motivations and i don't think that was ever explored in any medium aside from the comics.

No more some holographic parent brainwashing Clark kent into being Jesus Christ. I want to see Clark chosing to be a hero because he sees the destruction of the Tornado in Smallville and sees he could've done more to protect the people.
Yes, that's another good story that doesn't depict Krypton and his real parents.

Though I wonder how much time McTeigue (should he do it of course) would want to spend in Smallville.

[Willi Berg]

"In 2008, the same court order ruled on summary judgment that the Siegels had successfully recaptured (as of 1999) Siegel's copyright in Action Comics No. 1, giving them rights to the Superman character, including his costume, his alter-ego as reporter Clark Kent (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/578473/Clark%20Kent.html?dataSet=1), the feisty reporter Lois Lane, their jobs at the Daily Planet newspaper working for a gruff editor, and the love triangle among Clark/Superman and Lois."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007269.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


What does this mean?


The Siegels already control those aspects too!?
It's too confusing! They're saying that in 2013 with both the Siegels and Shuster heirs having control then they could do more with it. Paying off the heirs already seems inevitable for WB. Someone from WB needs to explain their position/intent on all of this.

[RachelDawes]

IMO, it would be very dumb for WB to go into their next Superman film with certain things off the table. That to me is just half ass. Negotiate with the family and get it settled. And don't limit the next screenwriter to what he can and can't do. The notion of WB doing something to save money is so silly to me. Considering they gave Singer that contract that he will get paid on now and the money given to Burton, Cage, etc...

These are important and key elements to the Superman mythos, whether they do a full on origin or not. They should not compromise themselves like that. Get it all out on the table. Go into the next Superman movie with all options available.

QFT

that's a pretty good idea...but where do we go after that....its like you get stuck again..:csad:

Agreed. They can't avoid Supes's origins forever so they might as well pay the family from the very start.

[Wally West]

"In 2008, the same court order ruled on summary judgment that the Siegels had successfully recaptured (as of 1999) Siegel's copyright in Action Comics No. 1, giving them rights to the Superman character, including his costume, his alter-ego as reporter Clark Kent (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/578473/Clark%20Kent.html?dataSet=1), the feisty reporter Lois Lane, their jobs at the Daily Planet newspaper working for a gruff editor, and the love triangle among Clark/Superman and Lois."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007269.html?categoryid=13&cs=1


What does this mean?


The Siegels already control those aspects too!?


My impression has been that the heirs already won the rights to the original concept. The origin being awarded to them recently is just a victory in addition to what they've already gained to this point.

After seeing McTeigue's recent comments I'm sceptical how closely involved with the project he is, and that he may just be taking advantage of the opportunity for some free publicity. Unless DC has set up a deal to purchase things on a per story element basis, or the heirs somehow lost the material they won last year, then you have to assume that if the origin is off limits, then Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and the basic red and blue costume (and the name Superman) would be off limits to them as well.

I would think that the heirs would want a package deal for everything they own, and not say O.K. we'll give you the basic stuff (the name, main characters - basically everything you ABSOLUTELY NEED for a SUPERMAN film) for a very reasonable price, but we're holding the origin for ransom and you'll have to pay out the nose for that. That makes no sense at all.

[jaymes_e06]

QFT



Agreed. They can't avoid Supes's origins forever so they might as well pay the family from the very start.
What I've been saying from the very begining.

[04nbod]

I respect the opinions of people who don't want an orgin story but saying that the orgin story on the big screen has been done to death is beyond f**king false.

SmallVille should play no part in the Orgin discussion because SmallVille is a little seen T.V show thats on it's last legs.

Most people are smart enought to know the difference between a T.V show and a movie...I don't remember "Batman: The animated Series" hurting Batman Forever at the boxoffice.

Some people just need to stop with the false excuses. Just say you don't want an orgin story and be done with it, don't pretend that we have a 1000 Superman orgin story movies and thats the reason you don't want an orgin story...because we don't!

Most moviegoers don't read comicbooks so they don't even know about the constant re-starts of Superman.


Why are you limiting this to movies, Teigue didn't exclusively say movies. It was in the movies, smallville, Superman:The animated series, Lois and clark, every TV show, cartoon not to mention parodies and the fact every superman comic opens with his origin in a S shaped box. People know the story whether they have seen it or not and they don't go to see re-hashes with better FX unless its star wars.


After seeing McTeigue's recent comments I'm sceptical how closely involved with the project he is, and that he may just be taking advantage of the opportunity for some free publicity. Unless DC has set up a deal to purchase things on a per story element basis, or the heirs somehow lost the material they won last year, then you have to assume that if the origin is off limits, then Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and the basic red and blue costume (and the name Superman) would be off limits to them as well.

I would think that the heirs would want a package deal for everything they own, and not say O.K. we'll give you the basic stuff (the name, main characters - basically everything you ABSOLUTELY NEED for a SUPERMAN film) for a very reasonable price, but we're holding the origin for ransom and you'll have to pay out the nose for that. That makes no sense at all.

DC have trademarked the name Superman and I think the 'image' of the character and they own the international copyright.

'Superman trademarks include elements from the relevant copyrighted material, from aspects of Superman's uniform to certain characters to the logo, which reflects the classic Ira Schnapp design "based on Joe Shuster's concept." '
http://uncivilsociety.org/2008/03/copyright-trademark-and-the-de.html

I wonder if they could film an origin and only release it worldwide and cut it from the domestic version?

Here are the basics
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/30/superman-copyright-faq/

[Closerframe]

I think a reboot is necessary. Not everyone knows the Superman mythology and if marketed correctly it could be successful. By origins I mean Star Trek kind of stuff. Show the destruction of Krypton, show a few scenes of Clark growing up, but the whole point of making this a selling point is to make it exciting and not emotional and boring as hell.

Give him a real villain. So Miller sounds like the best option to me because he intends on making Superman a trilogy and the structure of how he described it sounds dark and I know how people are complaining "Superman isn't a dark hero like Batman" well they have to start somewhere and this could be a selling point. Steven Spielberg isn't gonna happen obviously, I honestly wouldn't mind Louis Leterrier since he knows how to balance story and action, WB wants to keep Nolan on Batman, Singer is going off to Battlestar Galactica, and does anyone really want Ratner to destroy another franchise?

[GreenKToo]

I sure hope Mcteigue isnt thinking of doing a ''Burton'' with Superman, thats *IF* he even gets to direct it.
Updated sure, reimagining no.
I know he didnt say that, but its the way he said the things he said thats making me go hmm?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Louis Leterrier knows how to balance story and action??? I actually don't have a big problem with him but I have to disagree with that assessment.

I liked TIH and Unleased actually but I didn't like em enough to want him to do a Superman reboot.

[solidsnake86]

I respect the opinions of people who don't want an orgin story but saying that the orgin story on the big screen has been done to death is beyond f**king false.

SmallVille should play no part in the Orgin discussion because SmallVille is a little seen T.V show thats on it's last legs.

Most people are smart enought to know the difference between a T.V show and a movie...I don't remember "Batman: The animated Series" hurting Batman Forever at the boxoffice.

Some people just need to stop with the false excuses. Just say you don't want an orgin story and be done with it, don't pretend that we have a 1000 Superman orgin story movies and thats the reason you don't want an orgin story...because we don't!

Most moviegoers don't read comicbooks so they don't even know about the constant re-starts of Superman.

Truer words have not been spoken. Some people like to exagerate the impact of smallville and even though it pains me to say this, the animated series which is over a decade old. Seriously, the origin hasnt been done to death because frankly it hasnt been done properly on screen and yes I'm including STM.

For this movie to succeed there going to have to establish why clark does what he does. Thats why krypton is really useless, its more smallville and his beginning at the daily planet which will get people interested again about the character. Why do you think characters like tony stark and bruce wayne caught on with people even though they are rich and no one can really associate with them. In those movies they made us care about what happend. Starting a film with superman fighting a robot or metallo, what does that really accomplish?

[Frodo]

Why do you think characters like tony stark and bruce wayne caught on with people even though they are rich and no one can really associate with them. In those movies they made us care about what happend. Starting a film with superman fighting a robot or metallo, what does that really accomplish?

This is what i've been advocating. I thnk Clark Kent needs to be shown as a person with real hopes, thoughts and fears and not just a "Boy Scout", which is the direction his character has taken on film and TV in recent years.

[Willi Berg]

I agree, that with movies like "The Incredible Hulk" and "Superman Returns", when there's no origin and the plot jumps in the middle of the story, the plot can feel somewhat slight and it gives less of a chance for the audience to become involved with the characters.

The positive thing about the possibility of McTeigue is that in 'V for Vendetta' (and from what I can gather from 'Ninja Assassin'), he would hardly make a "boy scout" Superman. Also, in 'Vendetta', flashbacks were used to explain the main characters' backgrounds- I hope he would at least do something like that.

I agree though that whoever makes Superman shouldn't feel limited because of the lawsuits and shouldn't feel compromised by having to leave stuff out that they want to include.

[Wally West]

Why are you limiting this to movies, Teigue didn't exclusively say movies. It was in the movies, smallville, Superman:The animated series, Lois and clark, every TV show, cartoon not to mention parodies and the fact every superman comic opens with his origin in a S shaped box. People know the story whether they have seen it or not and they don't go to see re-hashes with better FX unless its star wars.






You're definitely right the origin is out there in all kinds of different media, and tons of people have seen it. Any comic book fan could recite it to you backward and forward in their sleep, when it comes to non-comic fans it's different though. They may have seen it, or know the gist of it, but it probably isn't fresh in their minds. Other than Smallville the other recent origin stories were shown on STAS 13 years ago, and Lois & Clark 16 years ago, and the average person probably doesn't own either of those DVDs.

I would think they'd have learned from SR that you can't rely on the public's awareness and memory of past projects to help a current franchise along. I think you need to treat it as a new franchise that can stand on it's own and not rely on the audience being up to speed on everything that's happened in the past on other shows/films or the comics.

I'm not saying they have to devote the whole first half or even the first act of a new film to Krypton and Smallville, but at the same time I think it's a mistake to ignore the origin completely.

[Blackman]

As I keep saying the whole "everybody knows the origin" arguement is flawed and bogus

Everybody knew Batman's origin...his parents got killed, he trained, he became Batman but wasnt it a really good movie? One of the best comic book films out there. 2) They expanded on his origins so much that it didnt matter if you knew it. It was still badass

I understand if ppl dont want an origin but I havent heard a good reason against an origin yet

[FlawlessVictory]

^I agree. I think a concern among some is that they just don't want to wait around for 40 min before Superman gets on the screen and does his thing. So perhaps the origin can be dealt with but just not in the traditional sense where the movie starts off with it. Perhaps start with Superman's first appearance and have him learn about his past during the film(which I know is an idea others have mentioned). And I agree with others who have said that it is important we understand and are shown why Clark decides to become Superman.

[Willi Berg]

Yes, small scenes of something like Jonathan Kent showing Clark the remnants of the crashed ship they found him in or Clark witnessing an injustice that motivates him to become Superman would be great to see.

[SuperDaniel]

They have to do the Tornado scene from Superman for all seasons. That was the perfect way to show Superman's motivations.

"I could've done more..."

[Octoberist]

what was the main threat in Superman: For all Seasons?

[SuperAl]

I sure hope Mcteigue isnt thinking of doing a ''Burton'' with Superman, thats *IF* he even gets to direct it.
Updated sure, reimagining no.
I know he didnt say that, but its the way he said the things he said thats making me go hmm?

saying ur gonna take it in a different direction can mean anything really. He could've meant he wanted it action packed rather than be about a love story between lois and superman. He could've meant having a alien villain like brainiac, darkseid, doomsday rather than relying on Lex. He could've meant changing the movie version of Lex to that of a corrupt business man and politician. All these things would be taking it in a different direction compared to the previous movies.

Frankly I wouldn't mind having him take the directors chair because he doesn't seem afraid to do what he thinks would work. Its better than getting someone who isn't quite sure and ends up bailing cuz of the pressure.

[JokerLedger]

Give it to James Cameron!!!

[GreenKToo]

saying ur gonna take it in a different direction can mean anything really. He could've meant he wanted it action packed rather than be about a love story between lois and superman. He could've meant having a alien villain like brainiac, darkseid, doomsday rather than relying on Lex. He could've meant changing the movie version of Lex to that of a corrupt business man and politician. All these things would be taking it in a different direction compared to the previous movies.

Frankly I wouldn't mind having him take the directors chair because he doesn't seem afraid to do what he thinks would work. Its better than getting someone who isn't quite sure and ends up bailing cuz of the pressure.
I understand that and agree, but it seems every time we get a new director on board they want to radically alter Superman or his surroundings.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't mind updates, they're needed sometimes, but I do mind when they think that they need to change things ie: supes not flying, krypton not blowing up, lex being from krypton, supes telling no one he would be gone for 5 years etc etc..
Those things arent Superman.

[Willi Berg]

what was the main threat in Superman: For all Seasons?
*spoiler*

It was Lex Luthor unleashing a virus in Metropolis.

[NotFadeAway]

Neil Blomkamp

[sf2]

where is peter jackson???!!!

[Adenjo]

where is peter jackson???!!!

I have no idea.. But having to suffer the borefest that was King Kong I'm hoping he stays there.

[Webhead2006]

well we all know wb isnt going to give supes to a big name guy like jackson/spielberg type of folks this time around.

[Octoberist]

I have no idea.. But having to suffer the borefest that was King Kong I'm hoping he stays there.

i hope that you're not crucifying him for that film, as a filmmaker. It's like me saying that the great Francis Ford Coppolla is a hack for directing "Jack".

[El Payaso]

I have no idea.. But having to suffer the borefest that was King Kong I'm hoping he stays there.

lol, same here.

[Octoberist]

I do have to say that after King Kong, I hope that Jackson learned his lesson of editing himself when it came to the script, etc.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not a huge fan of King Kong but I thought it was better and more exciting than the last Superman movie.

We'd be lucky to get PJ but he ain't going to do it so I'm going to stop talking about it.

[Gamma Goliath]

Neil Blomkamp, I think he could be the next peter jackson type director. I think he did an unbeleivable job on D9.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^He's going to be thrown around for everything on the in-nerd-net from now on.

Personally I'd like to see him do a MetalGear Solid movie.

[Octoberist]

since Gore Verbinski dropped out of Bioshock, what about him for Superman?

I think he's a great choice..I didn't like Pirates 2 or 3, but I liked part 1, and I liked his underrated Weatherman.

[Webhead2006]

would be a solid director to pick, but he seems he might have some other projects already lined up he would be moving on to next.

[matrix_ghost]

since Gore Verbinski dropped out of Bioshock, what about him for Superman?

I think he's a great choice..I didn't like Pirates 2 or 3, but I liked part 1, and I liked his underrated Weatherman.

Are you talking of gore helming a superman movie in the near future or as the next superman director if WB decided to make a superman movie before 2013?

Edit :
If it's the latter i dunno if that can happen. For starters , aside from the budget issue , one of the reasons he dropped out of directing bioshock :
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007622.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
Verbinski opted out of directing because the studio's budget plan for the film has been revamped to lense abroad in order to take advantage of tax credits and favorable exchange rates. Verbinski couldn't commit to an overseas shoot because he is locked into directing the Paramount animated film "Rango," with the title character voiced by his "Pirates of the Caribbean" cohort Johnny Depp.

THere is a Variety article out there saying that one of the reasons Verbinski decided not to direct the 4th Pirates movie was because he wanted to be with his family. His experience with the 2nd and 3rd Pirates movie led hoim to be away from his family for over a year.
I still think WB is going to go outside the US to make the next superman movie so yeah .

[Octoberist]

For the Superman 2012 project.

He's still finishing his movie Rango. However, it gives him plenty of time to make Superman a priority if he does get it, by 2011.

He has so much on going on, but many of those projects are in Development Hell anyway.

[JokerLedger]

I can picture a Neil Blomkamp Superman movie right now...

Loads of CCTV footage, surveillance cameras, and news live breaking news footage of The Man of Steel kickin the villain's ass hahaha.

I kid... I kid.

[Octoberist]

My prediction is that Neill will be one day INVOLVED with a big project based on a well known property. It could be based on a novel, comic book, or video game...

[Showtime]

Don't take a giant leap or anything. :hehe:

[Webhead2006]

Yea its all about how good is your last project and if you flop big time next go around who knows if you will get any good work for awhile right.

[dark_b]

in Camerons Avatar there will be some flying with alien creautures. so we will get a taste what he would do in flying scenes .

[solidsnake86]

Here's a question, since Mcteigue was talking about it which means he's probably not involved anymore, who else do you think is on this "short-list".

[FilmNerdJamie]

The IESB article seemed to indicate there were other candidates in addition to McTeigue and the Wachowskis. If I had to guess, I'd say they were the biggest "name" directors of the batch.

[solidsnake86]

^I would love to know what kind of discussions they're having with these directors or if they giving them a basic story outline they want followed. Part of me thinks WB would choose the wachowskis because speed racer bombed and they would have more control over them. In turn, the wachowskis, would probably want to do superman because they want their freedom back (even though I'm not sure they've lost it, but WB will be tighter before signing them a check to go make a film). Thats just a guess though, but we know visually the wachowskis would deliver.

[GreenKToo]

I betcha Blomkamp's phone is blowing up now.

[JokerLedger]

The only way I'd want Blomkamp to direct Superman is if Brainiac is the villain.

[Willi Berg]

There's more of the McTeigue interview:

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/08/24/exclusive-rumored-superman-director-thinks-character-needs-to-go-darker/

EXCLUSIVE: Rumored 'Superman' Director Thinks Character Needs To Go 'Darker'

Posted 59 minutes ago by Josh Wigler in DC Comics, News


When news of a "Superman" reboot first hit the internet, the word tossed in connection to the project was "darker," a tone that one would more readily attribute to Batman rather than the comparatively sunnier Man of Steel himself. But "Ninja Assassin" director James McTeigue, who is the subject of some interesting rumors about helming a "Superman" movie, told MTV News that a new film centering on the Last Son of Krypton should go down a darker route than its Bryan Singer-directed predecessor.

"I think that the culture has sort of changed a little bit around Superman," McTeigue suggested regarding a "Superman Returns" follow-up. "If you're going to do something with Superman, I think people would probably like something a little darker."

McTeigue's comments echo his previously stated take on Superman. The director, who won't confirm nor deny his potential involvement, said that the character needs to be taken in an unexpected direction—which means no Krypton, thanks to a recent legal ruling.

"I think it's good that they just had a court case where, basically, if you make another Superman movie, you can't touch Superman growing up—that's part of the story that you can't touch any more," he previously said. "That wouldn't be a bad thing. I think everybody's a bit sick of seeing the origin story."

Without the aid of an origin story and with an eye towards a darker film, what kind of story would McTeigue tell in a "Superman" movie? The filmmaker was understandably light on the details, but he did offer a suggestion on how to approach Kal-El's next adventure.

"You need to take it and retool it," he said. "Make it something that appeals to audiences now a little more.

[GreenKToo]

Darker than SR??? I usually try to give a guy a chance before saying hellz no, but hellz no.
If anything it needs to be brighter, not darker.
And before anyone says it, I know he could very well mean the story and not the overall feel, but that still doesn't make me feel any better.

[AntMan]

I'm officially off the bandwagon. Darker? Superman is not dark!

[FilmNerdJamie]

I'm officially off the bandwagon.

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Star_Trek_suicide.gif

[AntMan]

I know you were taking a jab at me, but that was freaking funny. :hehe:

[FilmNerdJamie]

Not a jab at all.

[manofsteel4life]

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Star_Trek_suicide.gif
lmao!....that's about how i feel all the time with this whole superman situation

[AntMan]

Apparently Warner Bros. doesn't realize the true reason the Batman franchise has been successful. It's not because they're dark films, it's because they are faithful to the core aspects of the Batman character. It's not about light vs. dark, what really matters is that the filmmakers understand the character and the world he inhabitants.

[Kal-El Fan]

apparently warner bros. Doesn't realize the true reason the batman franchise has been successful. It's not because they're dark films, it's because they are faithful to the core aspects of the batman character. It's not about light vs. Dark, what really matters is that the filmmakers understand the character and the world he inhabitants.
qft

[Crook]

Perhaps I'm being optimistic here, but maybe he's using the word in the loosest way possible, in reference to the public reception of Supes being corny and akin to child's play in the rank of superheroes. In this regard, I would agree with that assertion. However, "mature" would probably be a more accurate word than "dark".

[batman44]

The going darker qoute doesn't really bother me much, the phrase could mean a number of things.

Having watched the video, I really don't think he meant Batman "dark" nor did he say darker than SR.

[Webhead2006]

Hopefully they can get out of that "darker" thing for superman, he does need to be a brighter, happier, sunnier character. Only dark things would be the city, villain, and any dark threats brought about.

Yea hopefully it means more mature, and not kiddify/corny, more serious.

[Willi Berg]

From V and from what I can see with Ninja Assassin, McTeigue's style is dark. The protagonist deals with a very serious threat, with intense action. I can't see Superman really having a sunny disposition fighting a dark villain, but yes Superman should still have the characteristics we recognise- where he means well, is optimistic, wants to do right by people etc. But McTeigue may do something where that kind of persona is tested.

[SuperDaniel]

I don't know. His comments scare the hell out of me. I don't think he's capable enough to do a Superman movie and i disagree with his thoughts on the origin. People need to forget STM, period.

[GreenKToo]

Apparently Warner Bros. doesn't realize the true reason the Batman franchise has been successful. It's not because they're dark films, it's because they are faithful to the core aspects of the Batman character. It's not about light vs. dark, what really matters is that the filmmakers understand the character and the world he inhabitants.
Like most studios, money talks to them, and boy did TDK talk.

[what_19]

i think that a "darker" superman would be awesome, and by "darker" i dont mean him, but the world around him. make the world gritty, make it filled with crime, with governments that lie, with corrupt politicians. you can make a darker superman movie without changing the character, put him in some real life or death situations, where he does the RIGHT thing no matter what. show him agonizing over decisions....

show him trying to influence the world as best he can and show him having setbacks....some peaco on earth kind of sidestory would be interesting...i think you can use superman to make people think about problems on a global scale. use superman to deal with problems that affect us personally, as far as charity and such, while also making his earths supreme protector...

for me when they say "darker", i dont get my undies in a wad, i think that they want to take supes in a more relatable experience, well at least thats what i hope for

[GreenKToo]

The going darker qoute doesn't really bother me much, the phrase could mean a number of things.

Having watched the video, I really don't think he meant Batman "dark" nor did he say darker than SR.
But he did say this.....

"I think that the culture has sort of changed a little bit around Superman," McTeigue suggested regarding a "Superman Returns" follow-up. "If you're going to do something with Superman, I think people would probably like something a little darker."

Granted he didn't say Batman dark but he did say darker.

[Showtime]

The more McTeigue talks about Superman, the more I think he was in talks with WB previously but isn't any longer.

[what_19]

i would just like a more "realistic" approach to supes, and by that i mean how would the world react to a freaking SUPERHUMAN ALIEN residing in the US respond? what would russia do? the middle east? north korea? how or what would supes have to do to prove that he stood for humanity and human rights and what is just instead of just for the "american way"

could be very interesting

take supes global and really probe how the public would feel...i think gratitude wth an incredible amount of suspicion and caution

[Webhead2006]

Well if wb is serious to get this going before the 2011 court deadline we should hear something official within the next few months right, because if we dont have a director or writers official by end of the year/start of jan it doesnt look like it would happen in enough time to make what ever the date is for the 2011 deadline.

As for Mct i am still curious to see what he would do and i am open for him, but thats the thing we dont know what is going on and if he still is in talks with wb, or if they are not longer looking at him and all that. If the iesb news a few weeks back is right james mct/matrix bros were only one pairing on a short list of potential guys. I do wonder what other guys might have or are on that list.

[SuperDaniel]

I don't think he understands the character at all to make a movie about him. He would've said so in an interview. Not this BS talk about going darker and no origin.

This is what me, as a fan, want to hear: "I love the Donner movies but they are part of the past now and it is time to reintroduce the character to new audiences. I'd be honored to make a Superman movie because he is such an inspirational figure and that needs to be said in a right, fun and exciting way and that's something the last movie didn't quite accomplish."

[SuperDaniel]

edit.

[AntMan]

i think that a "darker" superman would be awesome, and by "darker" i dont mean him, but the world around him. make the world gritty, make it filled with crime, with governments that lie, with corrupt politicians. you can make a darker superman movie without changing the character, put him in some real life or death situations, where he does the RIGHT thing no matter what. show him agonizing over decisions....

show him trying to influence the world as best he can and show him having setbacks....some peaco on earth kind of sidestory would be interesting...i think you can use superman to make people think about problems on a global scale. use superman to deal with problems that affect us personally, as far as charity and such, while also making his earths supreme protector...

for me when they say "darker", i dont get my undies in a wad, i think that they want to take supes in a more relatable experience, well at least thats what i hope for

As long as Superman himself isn't portrayed as a dark character it would be fine.

[Webhead2006]

That is the thing any time this "dark" "darker" term has been thrown around by folks for superman they never clearly said if they meant the character will be dark and darker like batman for example or if they mean the film be more serious in tone, darker threats to take on, etc........

[Christmas]

It's so simple a phrase. "Oh I'd go darker..." Don't make it badass for baddassery's own sake.

A director can extrapolate themes in the story that can set Superman's Heroism in stark relief against corruption or acts of depravity, but making him a badass for the kick of it is lame IMO.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I want Superman updated but not darker really. I mean a little more serious than Donner's but thats about it.

I found Superman Returns to be too dark/serious, so I damn sure don't want something darker than that.

[dark_b]

the fact that they use the word ''dark'' means something.do you see anyone saying that they made james bond more darker? or that iron man was darker?

we all know what they mean



he he :)

[GreenKToo]

Now I wouldnt mind if they, for instance, had the first half of the film be so bright that you would have to squint your eyes ie: perfect suit, tone, palette, score.
Then, have the second half be dark due to the villain and the death and destruction he causes.
Granted, some will balk at a Superman film having death in it, but thats prolly the only way you'll get non-fans in the seats. We do want a sequel to it afterall dont we.

[solidsnake86]

The more McTeigue talks about Superman, the more I think he was in talks with WB previously but isn't any longer.

You're probably right. It's not very often you hear directors comment on a project that they may be in negotiations for. They've probably moved on to the next person on this special list. To bad though, action wise he would've brought something spectacular to the table.

[matrix_ghost]

Perhaps I'm being optimistic here, but maybe he's using the word in the loosest way possible, in reference to the public reception of Supes being corny and akin to child's play in the rank of superheroes. In this regard, I would agree with that assertion. However, "mature" would probably be a more accurate word than "dark".

Exactly.
I also think that that's what James was saying. Dark doesn't have to mean dark as in "OMG , Batman's gf got blown to pieces " but more in the lines of maturity. For example suppose that in the superman world a 9/11 tragedy took place. How the Supes have reacted to that....

With movies like The Dark Knight , Watchmen and Iron Man making comic book movies more accessible to adult audiences as opposed to kids and nerds , i don't see why a superman movie can't go in that direction.

[Webhead2006]

I totally agree their we need to get out of being corny/kiddy like and taken more serious that teens/adults will like it and still have it not to adult for kids.

[FlawlessVictory]

EXCLUSIVE: Matthew Vaughn Calls 'Avengers' & 'Superman' His Dream Projects, Regrets 'Iron Man' Timing (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/08/28/matthew-vaughn-calls-avengers-superman-his-dream-projects-regrets-iron-man-timing/)

Posted 1 hr ago by Rick Marshall (http://splashpage.mtv.com/author/rickmarshall/) in DC Comics (http://splashpage.mtv.com/category/dc-comics/), Marvel (http://splashpage.mtv.com/category/marvel/), News (http://splashpage.mtv.com/category/news/)


"Kick-Ass (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/kick-ass)" director Matthew Vaughn (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/matthew-vaughn) already has one comic book movie in the works, and his name's been dropped in connection with a potential adaptation of "American Jesus," (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/07/21/exclusive-kick-ass-director-matthew-vaughn-not-attached-to-mark-millars-american-jesus/) as well as being attached to "Thor" (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/09/09/dj-caruso-interested-in-bringing-thor-to-big-screen/) well before Kenneth Branagh (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/kenneth-branagh) joined the project.

So, since it's pretty safe to say Vaughn knows his comics fare, we had to ask him whether there's a dream project out there that he's dying to bring from comics to the big screen—other than "Kick-Ass," of course.

"[I'd] love to do 'The Avengers (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/the-avengers),'" Vaughn told MTV News. "And Superman (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/superman)... I think it would be great to reinvent Superman."

While he was at it, Vaughn also shared some thoughts about the one that got away, too—and he wasn't talking about Marvel's god of thunder.

"I was desperate to do 'Iron Man (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/iron-man)' about 8 years ago, and everyone was like, 'Iron Man, no one will go watch that,'" he said. "Cut to now, and it's a huge hit."

"I grew up watching superhero films, so I want to make superhero films," he added.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/08/28/matthew-vaughn-calls-avengers-superman-his-dream-projects-regrets-iron-man-timing/



Great, another director who wants to reinvent Superman. :rolleyes:

[FilmNerdJamie]

At least it's not Millar talking outta his ass for the trillionth time now. Good find, Flawless.

[Webhead2006]

Well its just one little word reinvent with no details on what they mean. Do they mean yea i would want to remake the character with all new backstory, etc....... and change things from the comics/not use comic stuff. Or just mean i want to reinvent the film in a more modern take and not make it like the past takes on screen.

[Showtime]

At least it's not Millar talking outta his ass for the trillionth time now. Good find, Flawless.

Maybe Matthew Vaughn will say he is doing it, and then bow out at the last minute and let Brett Ratner take over.

[FilmNerdJamie]

From new Collider article (http://www.collider.com/2009/08/28/producer-joel-silver-is-developing-swamp-thing-and-he-wants-to-do-it-in-3d/) relating to Joel Silver and his wanting to do Swamp Thing in 3-D.

When the press conference ended, I managed to get another question in and I asked him if there was any truth to the Wachowski Brothers being involved in “Superman”. It’s after the jump:

I first asked Joel if there was any truth to the Superman rumor?

Joel: I don’t think so.

Do you know what they might do next?

Joel: I really don’t know. They’re working on something.

You mentioned Swamp Thing in the press conference…

Joel: Maybe going to do it. I like it.

While I had all of 20 seconds with Joel as he was walking to another room to do more press, I’m extremely happy that he at least told me the Wachowski’s are working on something. Could it be they’re on “Superman” and Joel didn’t want to tell me….maybe. But he’s been involved with everything the brothers have done and I can usually read someone and he wasn’t smiling when he gave me the answer to my “Superman” question….I say that because sometimes I’ll get an answer but the person saying it will look at me and smile as they say it. Meaning I can’t say anything but there is more to the story. That wasn’t the case today.

[Webhead2006]

Well if he is in the known which is very likely with his position, they yea james/maxtrix bros are likely off the list of potentials at this time. By chance what are some other likely people they could/are looking at that we can theorize from what we know wb want to do.

[FilmNerdJamie]

McTeigue showed his hand with the "Well I can't talk about it...but if I did do it *wink wink nudge nudge*" crap. Obviously, he's not involved.

[Webhead2006]

I get that, hopefully we can get someone officially on board sooner rather then later if this darn project is going to get off the ground....

[dark_b]

Maybe Matthew Vaughn will say he is doing it, and then bow out at the last minute and let Brett Ratner take over.not funny man not funny

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[FilmNerdJamie]

Maybe Matthew Vaughn will say he is doing it, and then bow out at the last minute and let Brett Ratner take over.

"We now take you live to the first reactions from fans..."

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[Octoberist]

From new Collider article (http://www.collider.com/2009/08/28/producer-joel-silver-is-developing-swamp-thing-and-he-wants-to-do-it-in-3d/) relating to Joel Silver and his wanting to do Swamp Thing in 3-D.

Joel is so wishy washy. I guess that's better than saying "IF we were to do it, then we would (insert ideas)".

[SuperAl]

any truth to superman rumor? i dont think so. anyone else find the answer kinda weird. its either yes or no.

[Gabe99]

From MTV:
EXCLUSIVE: Matthew Vaughn Calls 'Avengers' & 'Superman' His Dream Projects, Regrets 'Iron Man' Timing (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/08/28/matthew-vaughn-calls-avengers-superman-his-dream-projects-regrets-iron-man-timing/)
So, since it's pretty safe to say Vaughn knows his comics fare, we had to ask him whether there's a dream project out there that he's dying to bring from comics to the big screen—other than "Kick-Ass," of course.

"[I'd] love to do 'The Avengers,'" Vaughn told MTV News. "And Superman... I think it would be great to reinvent Superman."

While he was at it, Vaughn also shared some thoughts about the one that got away, too—and he wasn't talking about Marvel's god of thunder.

"I was desperate to do 'Iron Man' about 8 years ago, and everyone was like, 'Iron Man, no one will go watch that,'" he said. "Cut to now, and it's a huge hit."

"I grew up watching superhero films, so I want to make superhero films," he added.

[Webhead2006]

Hey gabe99, flawless posted that article a couple hrs earlier just on the other page.

[Willi Berg]

Well if he is in the known which is very likely with his position, they yea james/maxtrix bros are likely off the list of potentials at this time. By chance what are some other likely people they could/are looking at that we can theorize from what we know wb want to do.

McTeigue and the Wachowskis are not necessarily a package deal. While the Wachowskis could or could not be involved as producers, McTeigue did work on 'Ninja Assassin' with a script by other writers- Matthew Sand and J. Michael Straczynski. So that doesn't necessarily rule out McTeigue.

Also, Straczynski is known to be a Superman fan and is said to be writing a Superman comic. This could be another link to McTeigue and Superman. I think there is the possibility that Straczynski could collaborate again with McTeigue on the Superman movie. Though if that were true, it could still be in early script stages.

Here is some info. on Straczynski and Superman comics:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=6708
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22277

July 29, 2009: J. Michael Straczynski Writing Superman Comic?

DC Comics ComicBookResources.com reports that J. Michael Straczynski gave a little hint during a panel he conducted on Saturday at the San Diego Comic-Con, that he is writing a Superman comic book...

Straczynski also said that he is "doing another book which I've been told I can't talk about. So I can't say a word of what this book is until we get a proper announcement." Straczynski then started to shuffle papers at the dais while humming the theme to Richard Donner's "Superman". The audience cheered in response.

Will he becoming coming on board one of the regular titles or is he doing a book of his own? Stay tuned for future announcements.

Thanks to Eli Gutierrez for the lead on this info.and he talks about his admiration for the character of Superman here:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17059

What appeals to you about the character of Superman?
There is a personal connection to the character for me. Growing up, I identified with the character the most. One of my earliest memories is of seeing the Max Fleischer Superman cartoons. I come from a hard-knocks beginning -- moving every six months, low income, an urban street rat. When I said I wanted to be a writer, my folks laughed because I was just this nobody from Jersey. But Superman could do anything he wanted to do, and he could fly away from where he was. For me, he became an icon that I clung to for many years, and now I have a huge collection of Superman stuff.


My sense of morality and ethics came from the Superman comic books. I maintain those ethics to this day. You treat people decently, big and small. And you come to the rescue when there’s a chance.

[Webhead2006]

I think i read about jms earlier this year. As for writers/director on this next project for superman hopefully we hear from wb who they nab soon.

[Gabe99]

Hey gabe99, flawless posted that article a couple hrs earlier just on the other page.
I'm sorry, I missed it. What page was it on?

[Webhead2006]

one page back gabe.

[I Am Jack's...]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and go for a director I haven't seen suggested. I think Neil Blomkamp would make a great Superman movie. After District 9 (a masterpiece IMO), he's shown he has talent. Some fresh, new blood is just what this franchise needs at the moment, and Blomkamp is just that. And he can do action fine, the action scenes in D9 were incredible.

Plus, we could see a re-teaming of Blomkamp as director and Peter Jackson as producer, Jackson has one of the best effects studios in the world after all.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and go for a director I haven't seen suggested. I think Neil Blomkamp would make a great Superman movie. After District 9 (a masterpiece IMO), he's shown he has talent. Some fresh, new blood is just what this franchise needs at the moment, and Blomkamp is just that. And he can do action fine, the action scenes in D9 were incredible.

Plus, we could see a re-teaming of Blomkamp as director and Peter Jackson as producer, Jackson has one of the best effects studios in the world after all.A couple of people have brought him up. Myself for instance.

[I Am Jack's...]

Oh, hehe, sorry :yay:

I didn't have the patience to look through the pages of comments. I assumed he wasn't suggested because he's sort of a left field choice, but I think he would do a great job.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh, hehe, sorry :yay:

I didn't have the patience to look through the pages of comments. I assumed he wasn't suggested because he's sort of a left field choice, but I think he would do a great job.I think he would do a great job too.

I just want a director who isn't afraid to put his stamp on the character and I think that Neil wouldn't be afraid.

Rather you like the following movies or not:

Burton put his stamp on Batman

Nolan put his stamp on Batman

Raimi put his stamp on Spider-Man

Singer put his stamp on X-Men

Donner put his stamp on Superman

I could mention a ton of other movies but you get the idea.

I can't even respect Superman Returns on a basic level because Singer was afraid to really, truely put his stamp on the movie. I want the next director to do just that this time. Because that is brave and respectable and artistic, even if the director is a fool like Mr. Bay or Summers.

[SuperAl]

i liked district 9 and all but id worry that he'd try to do the same weird camera approach to making it. Like trying to make it really realistic looking. anyway i dont see him doing superman mainly because hes got some project lined up and then theres the sequel to district 9

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i liked district 9 and all but id worry that he'd try to do the same weird camera approach to making it. Like trying to make it really realistic looking. anyway i dont see him doing superman mainly because hes got some project lined up and then theres the sequel to district 9Thats a dumb thing to be afraid of right now. He's only done one film, it's a little too early to be labling him a one style wonder.

After Superman Returns there is no way in f**k WB would allow any director to make an experimental film anyhow.

[I Am Jack's...]

i liked district 9 and all but id worry that he'd try to do the same weird camera approach to making it. Like trying to make it really realistic looking. anyway i dont see him doing superman mainly because hes got some project lined up and then theres the sequel to district 9

As I SEE SPIDEY said, it's a bit too early to judge if he would use that realistic style again. D9 has been his only full length movie, so I would reserve judgment until we see more movies from him. I haven't heard of his other project you mentioned, and a D9 sequel isn't official, at least not yet.

[Webhead2006]

spidey does have a point their, wb will not be so open on how the film will be like this time around because they will have a tighter control on things. Hopefully though they still give the director/writers a little wiggle room to do some interesting ideas of their own.

[dark_b]

Thats a dumb thing to be afraid of right now. He's only done one film, it's a little too early to be labling him a one style wonder.

After Superman Returns there is no way in f**k WB would allow any director to make an experimental film anyhow.:cwink:

let him make at least 3 movies so that we can see how he really is. look at Snyder. after 300 i would never think that the guy will have slow motion everywhere.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree, the studio should not lay down too much punishment for the sins of the father. A hardcore studio controlled flick isn't whats needed to make money anyhow.

And yes despite the disappointment of Pirates 2 and 3 I'm still hoping for a Verbinski helmed Superman movie. IMHO he did as good a job as he could working with subpar scripts.

With a good script...I'd still love to see his movie. He's still on my list, most of the time he's at the top.

Neil has recently been added to a list that includes Alfonso Cuaron and the afore mention Verbinski when it comes to my dream directors list.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

:cwink:

let him make at least 3 movies so that we can see how he really is. look at Snyder. after 300 i would never think that the guy will have slow motion everywhere.I hated 300 so I never wanted Snyder anywhere near the next Superman movie. And I still don't, despite loving Watchmen because he is a pretty crass and cynical director who only knows how to copy comicbooks exactly.

I think that a 3 movie wait is a pretty stupid idea, we'd never have any interesting blockbusters if we used that logic. JJ Abrams didn't have a 3 movie wait when he directed Tom-freakin-Cruise in Mission Impossible 3 and he didn't have one when he directed the even more expensive Star Trek, a reboot to a beloved series of movies/T.V shows.

I seriously doubt NB is going to use the Blair Witch style for everyone of his films.

If I'm wrong feel free to bring up this post.

[dark_b]

i also dont want Snyder. it was just an example how he does nothing new with the camera.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i also dont want Snyder. it was just an example how he does nothing new with the camera.But thats just him...it's too early to put Neil B in that box.:cwink:

[dark_b]

But thats just him...it's too early to put Neil B in that box.:cwink:

but thats why i am saying lets whait. this was a movie with PJ. let him make a movie without him. obviously he has talent. but what talent.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

but thats why i am saying lets whait. this was a movie with PJ. let him make a movie without him. obviously he has talent. but what talent.I think that the Talent is obvious. So what PJ produced D9? Surely you aren't implying that he had a hand in directing it?

Spielberg produced both Transformer movies and they got bad notices. The second one in particular got pretty bad reviews. It's very often not about producers. If the director can't deliver he can't deliver, no matter who's producing it.

[dark_b]

one movie is IMO not enough to give him the keys to superman.

[Crook]

one movie is IMO not enough to give him the keys to superman.
Nolan had two movies, neither of which were as successful as D9...and he got handed the keys to Batman.

[Gamma Goliath]

You make a good piont.

[dark_b]

Nolan had two movies, neither of which were as successful as D9...and he got handed the keys to Batman.what does it matter how much money district 9 made?

[Dark Knight]

Ahh....flavor of the month with Bloomkamp being suggested now as a Supes director?

Whats next.....Bradley Cooper as Superman?? :nono:

No thanks....lets let Bloomkamp concentrate on his sequel to District 9 first shall we...

[I Am Jack's...]

A sequel to District 9 isn't official. He may do it, he may not. Time will tell...

And although he may be a flavor of the month, that doesn't cover up the fact that he has great talent.

[Webhead2006]

Well it will be great to hear some day hopefully soon on who wb decides on. Hopefully it will be someone who can get the fans on his side.

[SuperAl]

As I SEE SPIDEY said, it's a bit too early to judge if he would use that realistic style again. D9 has been his only full length movie, so I would reserve judgment until we see more movies from him. I haven't heard of his other project you mentioned, and a D9 sequel isn't official, at least not yet.

true, but hes made a bunch of short films and they were all done in the same style.

[GreenKToo]

Personally, I'd rather not have a ''new'' director. I'd rather have someone like Jackson, Rami, or, Cameron.
I know that most likely won't happen though.

[kalelkilla]

Matthew Vaughn is interested now...could be good.

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/matthew-vaughn-is-super-7858

It seems a lot of directors are more interested now after the case over the origin is now done. It sounds like the directors feel as if they can maybe create a new origin? I really hope they don't think they can re-imagine Superman too much...

[Infinity9999x]

Personally, I'd rather not have a ''new'' director. I'd rather have someone like Jackson, Rami, or, Cameron.
I know that most likely won't happen though.

I'd rather not have Raimi, because then I think that the next Superman movie would spend time paying even more homage to the Donner films than Singers did.

I want to see a new product. Donner did great, but I would like to see a new, slightly less cheesy approach to Superman. Raimi already put in enough homages to the Donner Superman films in his Spider-man movies. God knows what he would do with an actual Superman one.

[Webhead2006]

Well thats the thing kalelkilla the who knows what and what that means to be used and not used is some complicated. But from what i have been told from some folks wb/dc could still use the origin and all that, but just like they would have to pay for the names of clark kent/superman/lois lane to the families like they have been for the past year or so now. That is what the whole origin deal. Also like i and others have said, if the plan is a full clean slate reboot/restart to the series we need to have a new different origin shown in some way to help show things are different.

[GreenKToo]

I'd rather not have Raimi, because then I think that the next Superman movie would spend time paying even more homage to the Donner films than Singers did.

I want to see a new product. Donner did great, but I would like to see a new, slightly less cheesy approach to Superman. Raimi already put in enough homages to the Donner Superman films in his Spider-man movies. God knows what he would do with an actual Superman one.
I'm not saying rami persay. I'm saying i'd want a director similar to him ie: a jackson, spielberg, or a bay. The kinda directors that have a certain feel to their films ( upbeat, bright in tone, lots of action etc)
An unknown could deliver that I guess, but you wouldnt know that untill the film was released, or untill you got the teaser and trailer.
I'm not deadset against an unknown, but I would prefer a "named'' director.

[SuperAl]

Matthew Vaughn is interested now...could be good.

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/matthew-vaughn-is-super-7858

It seems a lot of directors are more interested now after the case over the origin is now done. It sounds like the directors feel as if they can maybe create a new origin? I really hope they don't think they can re-imagine Superman too much...

Vaughn was the guy who was suppose to make Millar's vision of Superman so i kinda doubt that'll happen. I dont think WB/DC want to start of a superman franchise knowing hes gonna die in the 3rd movie and then they have to reboot it all over again. But it is cool to see a lot of directors talking about Superman and what they could do with it, it could mean that a lot of directors are starting to realize that WB has to make a decision to get a movie going soon, so they wouldnt necessarily be wasting their time making pitches that would just sit on a desk for 2-4yrs before anything actually happens with it.

as for Rami and Superman that would be a nightmare. That would prolly turn out terrible, we would end up with a emo Superman dancing down the street of metropolis pointing at women to some 70s song. Bay would try to make it too funny. Spielberg or Cameron would be cool, but i doubt they would wanna do it. Spielberg has been doing a lot of producing lately, not sure if he wants to go back to directing. Cameron has said the only superhero he wanted to do was Spiderman

i want a real serious direction on Superman. I dont want someone going out there with the intention of making a romantic comedy with action included. I want a scary ass villain, and epic action pieces. Ya there should be some humor included but it should be natural thru interactions between characters instead of having Clark Kent fake stumbling around the office and bumping into walls. Make it modern. i think guys like Mcteigue, Wachowskis would be willing to do that.

[Venom'sDad]

Believe you me.... Raimi would be a huge mistake.

[Webhead2006]

I too like raimi but i agree with you guys he probably wouldnt be right for superman.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Raimi is not going to do it so it's stupid to even get mad or excited about the idea.

Gosh the Raimi haters sure come out to play when his name is brought up.

The funny thing is, if Raimi did do it, it would probably be more successful money wise than what Singer did. Despite my love of the first two Spidey movies I wouldn't want him because he loved Superman Returns and he's more in love with Donner than Singer is.

His Spider-Man movies are basically a vastly better version of Donner's Superman flicks anyway...atleast the first two are.

And yes haters... I know that is my opinion.

[dark_b]

i didnt know that he was up for batman forever.

it would be interesting what he would do with superman. it is obvious that the movie would be fun. there is no denial. we can not say that he would cast young actors because in SM they were young characters. a lot of fans want more and more sequels but it looks like SM2 was enough for everyone.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Lets just drop this Raimi thing because it's not happening.

It's more likely that Singer would come back than Raimi come on board and I don't think Singer has a chance in hell of coming back.

No more directors who've directed other high profile superhero comicbook movies.

No Nolan

No Favs

Somebody new please.

[dark_b]

Francis Lawrence

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Francis LawrenceEven though he hasn't directed the best scripts (although I liked Constantine and I Am Legend) I like his style so I would give him a shot. Hopefully the script is good though because that is the most important thing about a movie. Your house falls down if the foundation isn't any good.

[Webhead2006]

true there spidey.

[Anita18]

I agree, the studio should not lay down too much punishment for the sins of the father. A hardcore studio controlled flick isn't whats needed to make money anyhow.

And yes despite the disappointment of Pirates 2 and 3 I'm still hoping for a Verbinski helmed Superman movie. IMHO he did as good a job as he could working with subpar scripts.
Hmm, I can see Verbinski working with Supes okay. Pirates was fun and not very heavy, and had admirably thought-out mythology considering it was only based on a Disneyland ride. :funny: It's a laughable premise, but they did a lot better with it than I expected.

true, but hes made a bunch of short films and they were all done in the same style.
I agree. YouTube has a few of his ad campaigns and music videos:

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The second one is A LOT like District 9, in that it involves a technologically-superior being and military being hired to take him down. And the mock documentary style. :funny:

He hasn't made a lot of movies, but similar to Nolan, we can get an idea of what interests him as a filmmaker. It's actually super-easy with Blomkamp considering his existing body of work - he likes aliens and robots and sci-fi, and likes to develop ideas about how humans negatively react to something different from them. (From Nolan's body of work in 2003, all you could really get was that he liked making movies about obsession, which is a much more general idea.)

I don't really see that being the right approach for Superman. We need wonder and alienation, but the thing about Superman is that the feeling of alienation is with him. People on earth more or less welcome him with open arms, but he feels different because he's the only one of his kind.

I'm trying to think of directors who could really capture the wonder of Superman, and all I'm coming up with is Pixar. And old-school Spielberg. :funny:

[dark_b]

call me crazy but if Blomkamp has the talent that i think he has then he is better then a superhero summer franchise. let him get a chance to make again something original. show hollywood that it is possible.
because i want the same director for the sequels. and i dont he should do every 2 year a superman movie. this kind of people need freedom to express their vision. of course like with Cameron he needed to make Aliens to get more money. but i think htis will not be a problem now that Blomkamp is Jacksons ''son''.

[Anita18]

call me crazy but if Blomkamp has the talent that i think he has then he is better then a superhero summer franchise. let him get a chance to make again something original. show hollywood that it is possible.
because i want the same director for the sequels. and i dont he should do every 2 year a superman movie. this kind of people need freedom to express their vision. of course like with Cameron he needed to make Aliens to get more money. but i think htis will not be a problem now that Blomkamp is Jacksons ''son''.
Psh, you saw what happened with Nolan. Get a superhero summer franchise under his belt after a few small films, earn the studio a billion dollars, then get a huge budget and carte blanche to do whatever the f*** he wants. :hehe:

Of course, everything has to fall into place for that to happen, but if Blomkamp is truly that talented, he could elevate whatever he touches to the level of D9. Or hopefully better, since it would be a shame for someone of that talent to stagnate after his first feature-film movie. :o

[dark_b]

Nolan didnt have Peter Jackson as the hollywood dady.

[Anita18]

Nolan didnt have Peter Jackson as the hollywood dady.
What is that supposed to mean? Like how James McTeigue always comes with the Wachowski Bros?

[Timstuff]

Francis Lawrence

He would be good. Also, the Director's Cut of I Am Legend is superior to the theatrical one, so if anyone here hasn't seen it I recommend giving it a rent.

[dark_b]

What is that supposed to mean? Like how James McTeigue always comes with the Wachowski Bros?maybe. come on without PJ he wouldnt do Halo and without him he wouldnt do district 9.

[dark_b]

He would be good. Also, the Director's Cut of I Am Legend is superior to the theatrical one, so if anyone here hasn't seen it I recommend giving it a rent.i think he has enough experience to make a movie and is not a guy who would experiment. from him and WB i would expect a normal fun superman movie for the masses.

[Anita18]

maybe. come on without PJ he wouldnt do Halo and without him he wouldnt do district 9.
That has nothing to do with his actual directing ability though. PJ just got the door open for him, Blomkamp still had to walk through it.

I think Blomkamp has enough clout from D9 now that he can handle himself.

[dark_b]

That has nothing to do with his actual directing ability though. PJ just got the door open for him, Blomkamp still had to walk through it.

I think Blomkamp has enough clout from D9 now that he can handle himself.he did help him a little. he said it in some comic con interview.

[Timstuff]

i think he has enough experience to make a movie and is not a guy who would experiment. from him and WB i would expect a normal fun superman movie for the masses.

If there's one thing that a Reboot needs after SR, it's to be low risk. I don't mean it should be a cookie-cutter rehash of the origin story, but that I don't think the world is quite ready for someone to come in and say "I've got an idea that's going to completely flip the Superman mythos on their head!" Bryan Singer had the "brilliant" idea of Superman leaving Earth for 5 years and coming home to discover Lois had plopped out a little bastard, and look how that turned out. The next movie needs to wet people's appetites for all things Superman, and then in the sequels they'll have more room to expiriment.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Neil Blomkamp? No thanks. I'd rather see him helm another original screenplay of his instead of Superman and/or the inevitable District 9 sequel.

[Webhead2006]

i would be down for gore.

[dark_b]

gore?

[GreenKToo]

Verbinski's name was rumored last year. Along with the Wa-*POW*-skis

[Nightmare]

Gore in a superman flick? Wut?

[Webhead2006]

I was talking of the pirates director like others have said he is someone i would be down with as a potential director, along with others. I said it before i have no clue who would be best for superman, i hope who ever is picked i can get behind.

[Anita18]

he did help him a little. he said it in some comic con interview.
I don't quite get your rationale. You opine Blomkamp is talented on his own and is too good for a summer blockbuster franchise, then you claim that without Peter Jackson, he couldn't have done District 9. If he were so talented, wouldn't he be able to do another movie on his own just fine?

I agree that without Peter Jackson, he wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to do District 9, but from seeing his other work, District 9 has his stamp all over it and I believe all of the actual directing work is Blomkamp's.

[jaymes_e06]

^Even Peter Jackson admits it was Blomkamps film. People saying that is getting old.:whatever:

[dark_b]

^Even Peter Jackson admits it was Blomkamps film. People saying that is getting old.:whatever:was this for me? because i never said it was not hes film. i said he helped. advice and so on.

[dark_b]

I don't quite get your rationale. You opine Blomkamp is talented on his own and is too good for a summer blockbuster franchise, then you claim that without Peter Jackson, he couldn't have done District 9. If he were so talented, wouldn't he be able to do another movie on his own just fine?

I agree that without Peter Jackson, he wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to do District 9, but from seeing his other work, District 9 has his stamp all over it and I believe all of the actual directing work is Blomkamp's.i didnt mean that PJ was holding the camera for Blompkamp for christ sake.
so you can not have talent and take help from PJ? :whatever:

[jaymes_e06]

was this for me? because i never said it was not hes film. i said he helped. advice and so on.
No. Just in general I think it's getting old.:oldrazz:

[dark_b]

on the other hand do you expect PJ to say'' yeah i did 20 % on this movie''? this is hollywood.

[RachelDawes]

Hmm, I can see Verbinski working with Supes okay. Pirates was fun and not very heavy, and had admirably thought-out mythology considering it was only based on a Disneyland ride. :funny: It's a laughable premise, but they did a lot better with it than I expected.


I agree. YouTube has a few of his ad campaigns and music videos:

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The second one is A LOT like District 9, in that it involves a technologically-superior being and military being hired to take him down. And the mock documentary style. :funny:

He hasn't made a lot of movies, but similar to Nolan, we can get an idea of what interests him as a filmmaker. It's actually super-easy with Blomkamp considering his existing body of work - he likes aliens and robots and sci-fi, and likes to develop ideas about how humans negatively react to something different from them. (From Nolan's body of work in 2003, all you could really get was that he liked making movies about obsession, which is a much more general idea.)

I don't really see that being the right approach for Superman. We need wonder and alienation, but the thing about Superman is that the feeling of alienation is with him. People on earth more or less welcome him with open arms, but he feels different because he's the only one of his kind.

I'm trying to think of directors who could really capture the wonder of Superman, and all I'm coming up with is Pixar. And old-school Spielberg. :funny:

I wouldn't mind changing that up. Let's see some different reactions from Metropolites when Superman first shows up. Some people should see him as an escaped science experiment, some an alien, others a god come to Earth. Either way, his appearance ought to inspire some trepidation and confusion among the world's population, even if he is saving lives. Seeing humanity's first reactions to Superman would be one of the pluses of an origin movie, and Luthor could play on the inevitable fear to attempt to turn society against Superman. Save the welcoming arms for sequels, I say.

[Anita18]

i didnt mean that PJ was holding the camera for Blompkamp for christ sake.

so you can not have talent and take help from PJ? :whatever:
Yeah, but you say that Blomkamp is too good for a superhero summer franchise. Nolan had no help from anybody (well, directing-level, obviously) and he wasn't too good for a superhero summer franchise...

You don't make sense, is what I'm saying. :oldrazz:

[Crook]

Since when did we consider the superhero genre below anyone? :o

[Webhead2006]

well some directors/actors are not into the whole superhero thing.

[Dark Knight]

Vaughn was the guy who was suppose to make Millar's vision of Superman so i kinda doubt that'll happen. I dont think WB/DC want to start of a superman franchise knowing hes gonna die in the 3rd movie and then they have to reboot it all over again. But it is cool to see a lot of directors talking about Superman and what they could do with it, it could mean that a lot of directors are starting to realize that WB has to make a decision to get a movie going soon, so they wouldnt necessarily be wasting their time making pitches that would just sit on a desk for 2-4yrs before anything actually happens with it.

as for Rami and Superman that would be a nightmare. That would prolly turn out terrible, we would end up with a emo Superman dancing down the street of metropolis pointing at women to some 70s song. Bay would try to make it too funny. Spielberg or Cameron would be cool, but i doubt they would wanna do it. Spielberg has been doing a lot of producing lately, not sure if he wants to go back to directing. Cameron has said the only superhero he wanted to do was Spiderman

i want a real serious direction on Superman. I dont want someone going out there with the intention of making a romantic comedy with action included. I want a scary ass villain, and epic action pieces. Ya there should be some humor included but it should be natural thru interactions between characters instead of having Clark Kent fake stumbling around the office and bumping into walls. Make it modern. i think guys like Mcteigue, Wachowskis would be willing to do that.





Do we have confirmation that Vaughn was Millars mystery director for his Superman script?

[RachelDawes]

Do we have confirmation that Vaughn was Millars mystery director for his Superman script?

This article (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/289371/mark_millar_reveals_his_superman_director.html) confirms it.

[dark_b]

Yeah, but you say that Blomkamp is too good for a superhero summer franchise. Nolan had no help from anybody (well, directing-level, obviously) and he wasn't too good for a superhero summer franchise...

You don't make sense, is what I'm saying. :oldrazz:i never make sense.

i am ''the'' dark_b :ninja:

[dark_b]

Since when did we consider the superhero genre below anyone? :owell a lot of times the director needs to follow a formula . not everyone gets so much freedom like Nolan ,Lee or Singer.

if you want to make something new and try to experment then you wont get 200 millions.

IM is IMO a fantastic fun summer movie. but its not something groundbreaking. the same with Star Trek.

p.s. i hope for Abrams that now that he will get bigger budgets and more trust that he will try to do something that noone will expect. an original story. he proved himself with M:I-3 and ST .....now its time for something original.

[Anita18]

i never make sense.

i am ''the'' dark_b :ninja:
Okay, was just checking. :funny:

IM is IMO a fantastic fun summer movie. but its not something groundbreaking. the same with Star Trek.
Perhaps not, but they don't have to be. They worked very well inside their respective formulas, and if they're the new standard (as opposed to Wolverine, X3 or the FF movies), I don't think many moviegoers would complain. :cwink:

[GreenKToo]

I honestly think alot of directors have no idea what the fans and the GP want.
One could argue Favreau including the fans, and asking what they wanted to see, contributed alot to I.M.'s success.

Yes a director should stick to his guns if he thinks his idea is the best way to go but only if......
A) he knows the source material.
B) he doesn't try to reimagine it to the extreme ( like burton).

The overall goal is for the film to be a success and have a sequel or two. Take B.B. for example. It took in less at the B.O. than S.R., but just look at the buzz nolan created for it. I dont have to say what the anticipation for its sequel, TDK, was.
The last Superman film had hardly any of the buzz afterwards that B.B. had. That's a pity too, because we could have had its sequel by now as well.

I really, REALLY, hope they hire a director that gets ALL of Superman. One that knows superman is so much more than just donner's take, and one the will include the fans like Favreau has with I.M. If not, then wash, rinse, repeat.

[Webhead2006]

Greenktoo i too hope they can find that type of person to take the reigns on superman.

[Dark Knight]

This article (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/289371/mark_millar_reveals_his_superman_director.html) confirms it.




Gracias!

[FlawlessVictory]

The overall goal is for the film to be a success and have a sequel or two. Take B.B. for example. It took in less at the B.O. than S.R., but just look at the buzz nolan created for it. I dont have to say what the anticipation for its sequel, TDK, was.
The last Superman film had hardly any of the buzz afterwards that B.B. had. That's a pity too, because we could have had its sequel by now as well.

BB ended with a Joker card being revealed to Batman
SR ended with Jason waving to Superman

That says it all right there. Is it any wonder which movie created the strong buzz afterwards?

[Dark Knight]

p.s. i hope for Abrams that now that he will get bigger budgets and more trust that he will try to do something that noone will expect. an original story. he proved himself with M:I-3 and ST .....now its time for something original.




I agree. I would love to see JJ Abrams be hired as the director of the next Supes film. However unlikely it may seem, he would be a solid choice.

I believe he has what it takes and he certainly did prove himself with MI:3 and Star Trek.

[Webhead2006]

Plus he knows now after the mess he made with his script years back going to far extreme isnt right.

[dark_b]

why would Abrams now that he has so much power make a ''studio'' movie? maybe he wouldnt do it like hes old script. but i think he would still want something dramatic different

[Timstuff]

Abrams knew to get people familiar with Trek to work on the STXI script, so maybe he'd do the same for a Superman script. He wrote his original one a very long time ago, and with all that time to allow it to sink in I'd be optimistic that he'd have a better grasp of what works and what doesn't. Hopefully if he did actually helm it, he'd have the vision to use something more interesting than Lex Luthor or bad Kryptonians as the primary antagonist (and as I've said before, I think Metallo is an ideal candidate for the first movie).

[Timstuff]

Abrams knew to get people familiar with Trek to work on the STXI script, so maybe he'd do the same for a Superman script. He wrote his original one a very long time ago, and with all that time to allow it to sink in I'd be optimistic that he'd have a better grasp of what works and what doesn't. Hopefully if he did actually helm it, he'd have the vision to use something more interesting than Lex Luthor or bad Kryptonians as the primary antagonist (and as I've said before, I think Metallo is an ideal candidate for the first movie).

[BenReilly]

Abrams originally had no intention of directing Star Trek, he was only going to produce it and help get the project off the ground. It wasn't until he read Orci and Kurtzman's script, that he fell in love with it and didn't want anyone else to direct it but himself.

When Abrams was interviewed by Charlie Rose right before Star Trek was released, he actually mentioned how he was influenced by Donner's Superman, when he approached Trek.

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10273

(Around the 7:00 minute mark)

[Marvin]

at this point

I can only see Abrams saving Superman.

[cerealkiller182]

Abrams had his chance. I dont remember anyone liking his ideas

[Marvin]

those weren't "his" ideas

just as this (http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/superman-lives-script.html) wasn't kevin smith's

now that he has some power I'd like to re-examine "his ideas"

[BenReilly]

those weren't "his" ideas

just as this (http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/superman-lives-script.html) wasn't kevin smith's

now that he has some power I'd like to re-examine "his ideas"

Those were his ideas. That first draft for the most part was all Abrams.

[RachelDawes]

Gracias!

De nada. :yay:

[Venom'sDad]

I'm not sold on Abrams... not sure he's really the man for the job. Can't get his ideas out of my head.

[RachelDawes]

I'm not sold on Abrams... not sure he's really the man for the job. Can't get his ideas out of my head.

I read that he knows his changes weren't popular with the fans so hopefully that's shaken some of the weirder ideas out of him.