The Mike Huckabee Thread

[Torchd]

Hey Guys and Gals!

This is the place for all things Mike Huckabee! Positive or critical you can say it, just no bashing......anyone................Republican, Democrat, Independent, or anyone else. Lets have a good discussion!

[Anguissette1979]

He seems like a nice guy but it would scare the snot out of me to have an ordained minister of ANY religion as president of this country.

[Kel]

LMAO.........some would say that about a woman as well...

Don't throw anything at me......I'm a woman.:woot: :cwink:

[ShadowBoxing]

Cool thread title. I'm glad more candidates are getting threads :up:. Won't be voting for him though but he seems more competent than Bush.

[Kel]

Cool thread title. I'm glad more candidates are getting threads :up:. Won't be voting for him though but he seems more competent than Bush.:dry: That's not saying a whole lot.

[Torchd]

Cool thread title. I'm glad more candidates are getting threads :up:. Won't be voting for him though but he seems more competent than Bush.


Thanks, I got the title from a campaign slogan "a.Huck.i.be" lol I like it.

[Torchd]

He seems like a nice guy but it would scare the snot out of me to have an ordained minister of ANY religion as president of this country.


With me personally, it's not whether or not a candidate has religion, mine, any other, or not at all. Though it is something that can be used as a reference or guide to the morals and lifestyle a person leads. And I like that.

[Anguissette1979]

With me personally, it's not whether or not a candidate has religion, mine, any other, or not at all. Though it is something that can be used as a reference or guide to the morals and lifestyle a person leads. And I like that.

See, with me, it's not HAVING a religion - I have absolutely no problem with that - it's the fact that he is/was a leader in that religion. He may have prefectly neutral intentions but do you see how it could give the even the perception of extra religious bias to Christianity - nevermind to having no religion at all if one chooses?

Anyhoo... this thread shouldn't be about religion, those were just my non-slamming thoughts on Huckabee :)

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

:crimsonking'seye: like mike

[Final Night]

I'm diggin' Huckabee.

It's most likely the pastor's background, but when I hear him speak and when I see him talking to people I see a genuineness in his caring. Not that the other candidates don't, but I see it come right out of him.

[Apollo]

I wont be happy until there is Huckabee Jam on my kitchen counter!! :cmad:

[Torchd]

I'm diggin' Huckabee.

It's most likely the pastor's background, but when I hear him speak and when I see him talking to people I see a genuineness in his caring. Not that the other candidates don't, but I see it come right out of him.

I see it too man :up:

[Lightning Strykez!]

He seems to be a man of class and culture.

But I can't help controlling the snickers inside my soul when I even roll the term "President Huckabee" around my head. :p Not too sure it would engender feelings of dread in the hearts of this country's enemies. :D LOL

[Memphis Slim]

"I'll be your Huckleberry...."

http://www.cabsoft.dk/Images/Anmeldelser/DocHoliday.jpg

[Memphis Slim]

He seems to be a man of class and culture.

But I can't help controlling the snickers inside my soul when I even roll the term "President Huckabee" around my head. :p Not too sure it would engender feelings of dread in the hearts of this country's enemies. :D LOL


And Obama will?? Our enemies will likely think we've sold out. :hehe:

Heck...we had a President named "Jimmy". Sounds like a kid with a sling shot in his back pocket.

[bell110]

The fact that he's a minister scares me. I don't mind if people are religious, but don't force your religious moral on me. But, I think he isn't a "born-again" or evangelical. Those are the nutty religious people, like Bush, so maybe he won't be that bad. Plus, he plays bass guitar and he's backed by the Norris, so he gets a couple of cool points.

[Matt]

The fact that he's a minister scares me. I don't mind if people are religious, but don't force your religious moral on me. But, I think he isn't a "born-again" or evangelical. Those are the nutty religious people, like Bush, so maybe he won't be that bad. Plus, he plays bass guitar and he's backed by the Norris, so he gets a couple of cool points.

It baffles me that so many people here use this argument. I'm not a big Huckabee fan, but I've never seen him "force his religion" on anyone. Does simply being a minister mean he is trying to force religion on people for you guys?

[MaskedManJRK]

I couldn't imagine anyone being able to top Guliani as the biggest douchebag of the GOP nominees, until Huckabee started to gain popularity.

With his having a hand in letting out an obvious serial rapist, bending the law to get his son out of animal cruelty charges, his comments on putting gays and people with AIDS on an island, and his most recent speech in NH calling for "God's Army" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/06/AR2008010602261_pf.html), this guy looks like a dieaster waiting to happen.

[SuBe]

I support Huckabee for several reasons:

1. When he speaks, it really sound honest. Not Like most politicians.
2. It must take a Disiplined Man to lose as much weight as he did.
3. He his a big Fairtax Supporter.

It doesn't bother me that he is a Stronger Christian than Most. As president there are so many checks and balances, he couldnt do anything. Nor, do I think he would do anything to begin with.

It doens't bother me that "He gave Scholarships to Illegals". He Didn't Give anything to Anybody. The Students/Children of Illegal Aliens Born in the United States were opened up to the chance of EARNING a Scholarship. And legally these children are American citizens. And if that law changes with regard to if Children Born in the US from Illegal Aliens being US Citizens, then that would Change too.

He has a good Defence Stance, He has a Good Economy Plan (Fairtax), He has my Vote.

[Anguissette1979]

his most recent speech in NH calling for "God's Army" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/06/AR2008010602261_pf.html), this guy looks like a dieaster waiting to happen.

:eek: :( :mad:

[Kel]

It baffles me that so many people here use this argument. I'm not a big Huckabee fan, but I've never seen him "force his religion" on anyone. Does simply being a minister mean he is trying to force religion on people for you guys?

I have to agree here.....

I don't believe he has pushed his religion on anyone...

I think where they are coming from is, will his beliefs push him toward different choices of Supreme Court judges.....toward certain cabinet members, ect.

I think what people forget, yet always need to remember. EXCEPT FOR THE 2000 Presidential Race, we have 3 branches of government, and the Executive Branch is not the end all to decision making....

Up until the 2000 election, the branches had held strongly to the constitutions limits that it had bestowed on each, and it was the SUPREME COURT, that overstepped its boundaries, not the Executive Branch......and I'm not sure that that will be allowed to happen again. Time will tell, but I think we got bit in the ass over that one, and I'm not sure it will happen again so easily.

So even if his beliefs are strong, and many of our founding father's beliefs were strong.........I think they did a pretty damn good job in assuring that that will not impact the government in a HUGE WAY....

Bush is a man of strong religious convictions.....but I don't think those are what developed his mindset........I think his ignorance developed his mindset.

[SuBe]

I couldn't imagine anyone being able to top Guliani as the biggest douchebag of the GOP nominees, until Huckabee started to gain popularity.

With his having a hand in letting out an obvious serial rapist, bending the law to get his son out of animal cruelty charges, his comments on putting gays and people with AIDS on an island, and his most recent speech in NH calling for "God's Army" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/06/AR2008010602261_pf.html), this guy looks like a dieaster waiting to happen.
This is nothing but Biased, Ignorant Blathering.

1. He Never said anything about "Putting Gays and People with AIDS on an Island"!. He said that at the time 1991, that the AIDS epidemic, which was a new disease that many people didn't understand at the time (People thought you could get it from a Mosquito Bite!) that this was the first time that people with a disease like this wasn't quarintined. Not advocating the "Deportation" you seem to imply.
2. His son killed a MANGEY dog to protect people the dog was attacking. Do you know what Mange is?
3. Huckabee apologized for his role in this. He supported his release on the basis that he believed the sentence was longer than other similar cases, and at the time the guy was a model prisoner. He couldn't know that he would strike again. This type of thing happens all the time, John Couey was in prison 3 times before Jessica Lunsford was killed.

[bell110]

It baffles me that so many people here use this argument. I'm not a big Huckabee fan, but I've never seen him "force his religion" on anyone. Does simply being a minister mean he is trying to force religion on people for you guys?

I admit, it's the born-agains and evangelicals that give christians a bad rap. And so far he hasn't forced religion on people. He may not. But I don't want 4 more years of a religious nut in the white house.

[Matt]

I have to agree here.....

I don't believe he has pushed his religion on anyone...

I think where they are coming from is, will his beliefs push him toward different choices of Supreme Court judges.....toward certain cabinet members, ect.

I think what people forget, yet always need to remember. EXCEPT FOR THE 2000 Presidential Race, we have 3 branches of government, and the Executive Branch is not the end all to decision making....

Up until the 2000 election, the branches had held strongly to the constitutions limits that it had bestowed on each, and it was the SUPREME COURT, that overstepped its boundaries, not the Executive Branch......and I'm not sure that that will be allowed to happen again. Time will tell, but I think we got bit in the ass over that one, and I'm not sure it will happen again so easily.

So even if his beliefs are strong, and many of our founding father's beliefs were strong.........I think they did a pretty damn good job in assuring that that will not impact the government in a HUGE WAY....

Bush is a man of strong religious convictions.....but I don't think those are what developed his mindset........I think his ignorance developed his mindset.

Great post, Kel :up:

[Matt]

I admit, it's the born-agains and evangelicals that give christians a bad rap. And so far he hasn't forced religion on people. He may not. But I don't want 4 more years of a religious nut in the white house.

I'd trade 4 years of Huckabee over the current Democrat crop (save Edwards and Richardson) inexchange for 8 years of Sherrod Brown starting in 2012.

[SuperFerret]

This is nothing but Biased, Ignorant Blathering.

1. He Never said anything about "Putting Gays and People with AIDS on an Island"!. He said that at the time 1991, that the AIDS epidemic, which was a new disease that many people didn't understand at the time (People thought you could get it from a Mosquito Bite!) that this was the first time that people with a disease like this wasn't quarintined. Not advocating the "Deportation" you seem to imply.
2. His son killed a MANGEY dog to protect people the dog was attacking. Do you know what Mange is?
3. Huckabee apologized for his role in this. He supported his release on the basis that he believed the sentence was longer than other similar cases, and at the time the guy was a model prisoner. He couldn't know that he would strike again. This type of thing happens all the time, John Couey was in prison 3 times before Jessica Lunsford was killed.


Mange is a fairly common skin parasite that causes hair loss and itching, and has varieties that aren't zoonotic (contagious to humans). Do YOU know what mange is?

Not that I have any feeling either way about Huckabee. as I don't have all the information needed to formulate an opinion either way. I just was browsing through (I'm toying with the idea of voting this year and wanted to check things out) and when I saw that remark, well, I had to laugh a bit.

[SuBe]

Mange is a fairly common skin parasite that causes hair loss and itching, and has varieties that aren't zoonotic (contagious to humans). Do YOU know what mange is?

Not that I have any feeling either way about Huckabee. as I don't have all the information needed to formulate an opinion either way. I just was browsing through (I'm toying with the idea of voting this year and wanted to check things out) and when I saw that remark, well, I had to laugh a bit.
Yes, I know exactly what mange is, the reports all say that the Mangy Dog was going to attack, since it was a wild dog and there were food around because of the scouts.

But, keep "toying" with the idea of Voting. Despite what some might say, Vote do really count. Look at how Dems are in Congress now.

[SuperFerret]

Yes, I know exactly what mange is, the reports all say that the Mangy Dog was going to attack, since it was a wild dog and there were food around because of the scouts.

But, keep "toying" with the idea of Voting. Despite what some might say, Vote do really count. Look at how Dems are in Congress now.

Your post made it seem as if the dog was attacking due to the mange. That's not the case, that' all I was pointing out.


Votes may or may not count, but I'll only be voting if I find a candidate that I feel is right. If I don't, I won't be voting. I don't have to vote, you know.

[Comicfilmer]

I admit, it's the born-agains and evangelicals that give christians a bad rap. And so far he hasn't forced religion on people. He may not. But I don't want 4 more years of a religious nut in the white house.

The way you use "born again" sounds like a bit of a misnomer. Any true Christian is "born again," if they are really following Jesus Christ, because He stated that you must be "born again" in John Chapter 3. When I read "born again" Christian, it always seems entirely redundant.

[SuperFerret]

The way you use "born again" sounds like a bit of a misnomer. Any true Christian is "born again," if they are really following Jesus Christ, because He stated that you must be "born again" in John Chapter 3. When I read "born again" Christian, it always seems entirely redundant.

This is neither the time nor the place.

[Comicfilmer]

This is neither the time nor the place.

:huh: I'm not looking for a debate or anything like that...I honestly just didn't understand what was being said.

*Gets off the train so as not to derail it*

That said, I am currently supporting Mike Huckabee for the Republican side of the race because I agree with him on the most issues and he seems intelligent, charismatic, and like a man who has good morals and sticks to his guns. I haven't yet chosen a candidate on the Democratic side, but am leaning towards John Edwards (I can't stand Hillary and feel Obama needs to spend a little more time in the Senate).

[SuperFerret]

:huh: I'm not looking for a debate or anything like that...I honestly just didn't understand what was being said.

*Gets off the train so as not to derail it*

I know. But any mention of the "J-word" tends to bring about thread derailment pretty quickly.

*leaps off of topic in slow motion as it explodes behind him*

[bell110]

The way you use "born again" sounds like a bit of a misnomer. Any true Christian is "born again," if they are really following Jesus Christ, because He stated that you must be "born again" in John Chapter 3. When I read "born again" Christian, it always seems entirely redundant.

Ok, I always thought born agains where people who where complete f-ups and a-holes in the past, then "found" Jesus, and feel so guilty about their past sins that they have to try and convert everybody they meet.

My point, though, was that I don't care if he's a minister, I just don't want to hear him preaching during every state of the union address. Save church stuff for church.

[SuBe]

*Peeks in to make sure this isn't a religon/atheism trainwreck*

I feel the same way CF. He comes off more honest than any other politician I can think of.

[Torchd]

The way you use "born again" sounds like a bit of a misnomer. Any true Christian is "born again," if they are really following Jesus Christ, because He stated that you must be "born again" in John Chapter 3. When I read "born again" Christian, it always seems entirely redundant.

Thank you. I was going to make this point. Just stating the fact: Being a Christian is being Born again.

But this does not need to be a religion debate, just stating the fact about a religion.

[MaskedManJRK]

This is nothing but Biased, Ignorant Blathering.

1. He Never said anything about "Putting Gays and People with AIDS on an Island"!. He said that at the time 1991, that the AIDS epidemic, which was a new disease that many people didn't understand at the time (People thought you could get it from a Mosquito Bite!) that this was the first time that people with a disease like this wasn't quarintined. Not advocating the "Deportation" you seem to imply.
2. His son killed a MANGEY dog to protect people the dog was attacking. Do you know what Mange is?
3. Huckabee apologized for his role in this. He supported his release on the basis that he believed the sentence was longer than other similar cases, and at the time the guy was a model prisoner. He couldn't know that he would strike again. This type of thing happens all the time, John Couey was in prison 3 times before Jessica Lunsford was killed.

I'll give you 2 and possibly 3, but with one, the big problem with his statement was, when someone asked him about his statement...he didn't explain it.

This makes me think it's one of two things:

1. He knows better, and is continuing the "Emperor-with-no-clothes" line that politictions do nowadays and doesn't want to admit he was wrong because it would make him appear weak.

2. He still doesn't know about the illogicalness of that statement.

Either way, it's just messed up on his part. Plus that whole "God's Army" thing alarms me. Having to represent all Americans aside, I would imagine having a pastor who talks about "gaining soldiers" for "God's Army" would make our situation in the Middle East a lot more difficult.

[CalebYourMaster]

Huckabee 4 Prez

[Banshee]

Though I disagreed with his comments concerning not acknowledging evolution as a reasonable theory, I actually was begining to like Huckabee. Now not so much.

Also... this whole Chuck Norris thing... making a joke of american politics. That commercial is about what Colbert's campaign ads would have been like had he run... not that politics isn't already a joke.

[MaskedManJRK]

Also... this whole Chuck Norris thing... making a joke of american politics. That commercial is about what Colbert's campaign ads would have been like had he run... not that politics isn't already a joke.

Well, if we can find some good out of it, it's this: Huckabee has officially killed the Chuck Norris jokes.

Killed them.

Like a mangy dog.

:o

[Kel]

I couldn't imagine anyone being able to top Guliani as the biggest douchebag of the GOP nominees, until Huckabee started to gain popularity.

With his having a hand in letting out an obvious serial rapist, bending the law to get his son out of animal cruelty charges, his comments on putting gays and people with AIDS on an island, and his most recent speech in NH calling for "God's Army" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/06/AR2008010602261_pf.html), this guy looks like a dieaster waiting to happen.


lol, hmmmmmmmmmm......alittle more research might be in order here...

[cookiva]

[/b]


And Obama will?? Our enemies will likely think we've sold out. :hehe:

Heck...we had a President named "Jimmy". Sounds like a kid with a sling shot in his back pocket.

Dont even f'ing compare one of the greatest humanitarians in the history of the USA to Huckabee.

[teseract]

The man is a religious whack job, vote for him and you make sure America is one step closer to "Jesusland".

[LuiECuomo]

Oh, really? Where in the hell did you find any evidence that Huckabee would push his religious views on this country?

[cookiva]

Despite the fact I despise him immensely, if he doesnt talk politics, he comes across as a nice guy.

[LuiECuomo]

It's a shame; I feel the same way about Obama.

[Shifty]

Huckabee and Colbert last night
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Better start his Huckaburgers business plan.

[Memphis Slim]

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/03/video-gov-mike-huckabee-on-the-youtube-debate/

[Memphis Slim]

It's a shame; I feel the same way about Obama.


At least The Huckster has actually run something. He was Governor for 10 years! Obama has being running for President since he became a Senator. He hasn't even done that job yet!

[cookiva]

At least The Huckster has actually run something. He was Governor for 10 years! Obama has being running for President since he became a Senator. He hasn't even done that job yet!


You do realize that Obama has more public office experience than someone like Clinton, right?

[The Senator]

You do realize that Obama has more public office experience than someone like Clinton, right?

State senator and U.S. Senator are two completely different things.

[Memphis Slim]

You do realize that Obama has more public office experience than someone like Clinton, right?


I could care less. I'm comparing Huckabee to Obama. Hillary ain't even in my discussion.

[Memphis Slim]

State senator and U.S. Senator are two completely different things.


Even "that" is a great point. Hillary has him beat in that category. Moving things in Washington is a lot bigger than moving stuff in Illinois. And he hasn't even settled into his "Washington" gig yet.

[teseract]

Oh, really? Where in the hell did you find any evidence that Huckabee would push his religious views on this country?

Oh I don't know, it might be the simple fact that he will elect more right wing conservative supreme court judges to push the religious rights agenda?

[SuBe]

Oh I don't know, it might be the simple fact that he will elect more right wing conservative supreme court judges to push the religious rights agenda?
But, then that would still be on the Judges head, not the Presidents. The President can't make the Justice do anything he/she wouldn't want to do.

[cookiva]

But, then that would still be on the Judges head, not the Presidents. The President can't make the Justice do anything he/she wouldn't want to do.

But he would find someone who fits his ideology....

Basically Huckabee 2.0

[MaskedManJRK]

http://services.redlasso.com/svc/clip/playClip?fid=8b121636-c88e-474f-943c-18b2db3f8807

:cmad:

[cookiva]

OH MY ****ING GOD!?!?!?!

How can anyone want that???? Separation of church and state? This guy is an ASS!

[Gilpesh]

Huckabee is the logical next step in the decline of the United States.

Of course he'll be elected.

[The Senator]

But he would find someone who fits his ideology....

Basically Huckabee 2.0

Keep in mind his justices have to get through the Democratic-controlled Senate. If they gain a few more seats, whoever he would appoint would have an uphill battle-- especially if (s)he opposes Roe v. Wade.


Huckabee is the logical next step in the decline of the United States.

Of course he'll be elected.

That's how it seems to work these days.

[cookiva]

I know that. Its the fact that the democratic senate doesn't do enough. If not for a few probing questions by a couple of certain tough senators, we would have some scary justices....

[The Senator]

http://services.redlasso.com/svc/clip/playClip?fid=8b121636-c88e-474f-943c-18b2db3f8807

:cmad:

The best part about this, for me, is that if Huckabee does become president... I actually will be leaving the country. I may have to take an extended four-years abroad, I guess.

[The Senator]

I know that. Its the fact that the democratic senate doesn't do enough. If not for a few probing questions by a couple of certain tough senators, we would have some scary justices....

I'm confident they'll face an uphill battle. My boss won't let it happen.

[cookiva]

I WILL leave the country if Huckabee becomes president. I know that in doing so I help him by taking away votes from his opponents, but I couldnt stand it....

[LuiECuomo]

Tomato, tomahto...I'll be leaving the country if Clinton or Obama get elected, but I really don't know where a safe place to hide would be. :(

[cookiva]

Tomato, tomahto...I'll be leaving the country if Clinton or Obama get elected, but I really don't know where a safe place to hide would be. :(

I would rather take anyone over someone who wants to rewrite our basic rights to further follow the Bible....

[The Senator]

I'm going to Egypt, so I'll be hiding in a pyramid or something.

[LuiECuomo]

Seems safe enough.

[Comicfilmer]

I wouldn't leave the country no matter who's elected. I love this country too much and I would still give my life to defend it - under Huckabee, Clinton, Obama, Romney, etc. We're going through some rough times, but this is still the United States of America.

[Gilpesh]

I wouldn't leave the country no matter who's elected. I love this country too much and I would still give my life to defend it - under Huckabee, Clinton, Obama, Romney, etc. We're going through some rough times, but this is still the United States of America.

Not if Huckabee is elected.

[LuiECuomo]

I wouldn't leave the country no matter who's elected. I love this country too much and I would still give my life to defend it - under Huckabee, Clinton, Obama, Romney, etc. We're going through some rough times, but this is still the United States of America.

Wow, that's the first genuinely uplifting and impassioned comment I've read yet in this entire forum. Thanks for that. :)

Not if Huckabee is elected.

Really, really stupid.

[Gilpesh]

Really, really stupid.

Someone hasn't heard the amending the Constitution rant he went on.

[The Senator]

I wouldn't leave the country no matter who's elected. I love this country too much and I would still give my life to defend it - under Huckabee, Clinton, Obama, Romney, etc. We're going through some rough times, but this is still the United States of America.

Well I was going to be leaving the country for a semester in Egypt anyway. So no matter who wins, I'll be in another country for the first five months of his/ her Presidency.

[cerealkiller182]

I just read about his idea to align the constitution with the Bible. How unconstitutional of him! Its about one of the worst idea I've ever heard.

[rdh007]

Tomato, tomahto...I'll be leaving the country if Clinton or Obama get elected, but I really don't know where a safe place to hide would be. :(
I said the same thing about Bush, but I stayed for the free continental breakfast.

[Kel]

Tomato, tomahto...I'll be leaving the country if Clinton or Obama get elected, but I really don't know where a safe place to hide would be. :(


Head up to Canada.....there waitin for ya.

[MaskedManJRK]

The best part about this, for me, is that if Huckabee does become president... I actually will be leaving the country. I may have to take an extended four-years abroad, I guess.

The really frightening thing is, despite all of the wierd, ****ed-up **** that goes on, even more so if Huckabee is elected...it would still probably be better then a good majority of other countries.

[The Senator]

The really frightening thing is, despite all of the wierd, ****ed-up **** that goes on, even more so if Huckabee is elected...it would still probably be better then a good majority of other countries.



Well... I prefer studying abroad, in a country I really am fascinated with.

Even if Hillary becomes President, I'll be in the Middle East.

[cookiva]

Canada, here I come?

[SuBe]

The main reason I'm supporting Huckabee is because of the Fairtax.

[LuiECuomo]

I think what's funny here is that liberals are ALWAYS pulling the "neo-con" card on Republicans who express even the mildest of their religious views. Just as liberals say that conservatives fear Islam because it's a religion they don't understand, the reverse is true, as well; Liberals seems to hate Christianity and deeply religious Christians because they do not understand them. This line of thinking has gotten really old and frankly, has worn very thin. How exactly do you think Huckabee would push his religious views on this country? First of all, I really don't think he intends to, second, if he did, our Democrat-controlled Congress would never allow it.

[StorminNorman]

The main reason I'm supporting Huckabee is because of the Fairtax.

So you are backing a candidate (who chances are - based on my view of your posts - disagrees with you on a lot of issues) because of a tax plan he has that probably would not be passed by Congress IF he won the Presidentcy?

Doesn't seem to be the BEST idea.

[Gilpesh]

I think what's funny here is that liberals are ALWAYS pulling the "neo-con" card on Republicans who express even the mildest of their religious views. Just as liberals say that conservatives fear Islam because it's a religion they don't understand, the reverse is true, as well; Liberals seems to hate Christianity and deeply religious Christians because they do not understand them. This line of thinking has gotten really old and frankly, has worn very thin. How exactly do you think Huckabee would push his religious views on this country? First of all, I really don't think he intends to, second, if he did, our Democrat-controlled Congress would never allow it.

Are you ignoring the obvious?

He has openly said that he wanted to completely change the constitution to basically be the bible plus.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/huckabee-amend-the-constitution-to-gods-standards/

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html

Here's two stories about his comments.

[cookiva]

I think what's funny here is that liberals are ALWAYS pulling the "neo-con" card on Republicans who express even the mildest of their religious views. Just as liberals say that conservatives fear Islam because it's a religion they don't understand, the reverse is true, as well; Liberals seems to hate Christianity and deeply religious Christians because they do not understand them. This line of thinking has gotten really old and frankly, has worn very thin. How exactly do you think Huckabee would push his religious views on this country? First of all, I really don't think he intends to, second, if he did, our Democrat-controlled Congress would never allow it.

Like Gil said, he has openly stated that he will push to amend the constitution to fit the bibles needs. That is pretty harsh, non?

[cerealkiller182]

I think what's funny here is that liberals are ALWAYS pulling the "neo-con" card on Republicans who express even the mildest of their religious views. Just as liberals say that conservatives fear Islam because it's a religion they don't understand, the reverse is true, as well; Liberals seems to hate Christianity and deeply religious Christians because they do not understand them. This line of thinking has gotten really old and frankly, has worn very thin. How exactly do you think Huckabee would push his religious views on this country? First of all, I really don't think he intends to, second, if he did, our Democrat-controlled Congress would never allow it.

I understand Christianity. I was raised Catholic and now I openly denounce it for many reasons.

What you are implying is we hate Christians but love Islam for the sole fact of effing with Republicans. The truth is I (as a Democrat) believe in freedom, including the freedom of religion. Discrimination of any religion I hate (why Im against Islam bashing), but Christian Conservatives are continuously trying to push their views on the public especially through legal documents, just like Huckabee is promising now. You cant do that! It goes against the constitution which says all people are equal. Through Huckabees actions (not an attack just an example) he would be make it appear that Christians are better thus everyone would not be equal.

In the words of the Great George Carlin after turning the Ten Commandments into 2 and then adding a 3rd: "Keep thy religion to thy self"

[LuiECuomo]

This is a guy appealing to Evangelical voters. He wouldn't actually put this into practice were he elected. And, as I stated about, if he DID, Congress would never allow it. Some of you seriously overestimate the amount of power the Prez really has.

[cerealkiller182]

This is a guy appealing to Evangelical voters. He wouldn't actually put this into practice were he elected. And, as I stated about, if he DID, Congress would never allow it. Some of you seriously overestimate the amount of power the Prez really has.

So he's bearing false witness? Not as religious as we thought :oldrazz:

[Gilpesh]

Like Gil said, he has openly stated that he will push to amend the constitution to fit the bibles needs. That is pretty harsh, non?

Also, Huckabee is retarded... just ask Wayne DuMond. Oh wait... who's he?

The rapist and murderer that Huckabee got out of prison just cause it seemed like Clinton was too hard on him because a victim of his was a relative of Clinton... completely disregarding the fact that the man IS A RAPIST AND MURDERER.

So what does a rapist and murderer do when he finally gets out of prison... of course he rapes and murders again.

Thanks Huckabee. :up:

[DorkyFresh]

http://services.redlasso.com/svc/clip/playClip?fid=8b121636-c88e-474f-943c-18b2db3f8807

:cmad:


just now heard about that...

...i'm sure the Phelps family will be voting for this guy.

[cerealkiller182]

Coors family prolly loves him

[LuiECuomo]

I can't really defend that. But then again, at least Huckabee feels responsible and guilty over it.

[Gilpesh]

I can't really defend that. But then again, at least Huckabee feels responsible and guilty over it.

HE IS. He is responsible and very guilty over it. Two people are no longer alive because of his actions.

[LuiECuomo]

HE IS. He is responsible and very guilty over it. Two people are no longer alive because of his actions.

I know; what I meant was, at least he has SAID he feels guilty and responsible for it, rather than taking the typical politician route and passing the blame onto someone else.

[DorkyFresh]

forgive my ignorance, but who are the coors family? i tried googling them but i just keep getting beer related results.

[Gilpesh]

I know; what I meant was, at least he has SAID he feels guilty and responsible for it, rather than taking the typical politician route and passing the blame onto someone else.

That still doesn't change the fact that he should never have power.

[MaskedManJRK]

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/huckabee_equates_homosexuality_with_bestiality.php

Not only does he want to change the Constitution into the Bible, he also directly equates homosexuality with beastality.

...

jmanspice: About that studying abroad thing? Can I come too? :csad:

[cerealkiller182]

forgive my ignorance, but who are the coors family? i tried googling them but i just keep getting beer related results.

Coors family are the founders of the Coors Brewing Company. They are very right wing conservative and have publicly gave money to the KKK and the John Birch Society.

http://www.corporations.org/coors/article.html

[Superhobo]

On top of all this, the man thinks evolution is a 'conspiracy.'


Oh god oh god oh god oh god

[The Senator]

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/huckabee_equates_homosexuality_with_bestiality.php

Not only does he want to change the Constitution into the Bible, he also directly equates homosexuality with beastality.

Yeah, I've lost whatever respect I once had for him. He's just turned into every other evangelical Christian conservative: Arrogant, Ignorant and utterly stupid. Of course, had Rick Santorum been running, this would have been the main theme of his campaign, so I guess it's a good think it didn't surface until now.

...

jmanspice: About that studying abroad thing? Can I come too? :csad:

Go for it.

Of course, after these comments, I have been looking to transfer permanently to Australia. Can't really deal with the whole being attacked by the leader of our country on a daily basis thing.

[SuBe]

So you are backing a candidate (who chances are - based on my view of your posts - disagrees with you on a lot of issues) because of a tax plan he has that probably would not be passed by Congress IF he won the Presidentcy?

Doesn't seem to be the BEST idea.
To Me, the Fairtax is THEE most important issue. I believe that it wouldn't just help the economy for a little while like everyone else's Economic Stimulas Packages, but would fix the punishing tax code and increase the Economy for Generations. Even if he couldn't get it through Congress, which I gaurentee would be possible as it has 70 co-signers and growing and Millions upon Millions of people supporting the Fairtax, that if he would become president the support would grow even more. The People need to get behind it to pass congress, but more people would get behind it if the President could speak about it, opening more eyes.

[Kel]

As I read through I see alot being said about the screw up with the criminals allowed out early. Well actually all the governor does is make recommendations, it is the parole board that makes the ultimate decision to open the door, and there are 1,000's of cases where the parole board disagrees with the govenor.......this was definitely one of them that they should have disagreed on.

[Gilpesh]

As I read through I see alot being said about the screw up with the criminals allowed out early. Well actually all the governor does is make recommendations, it is the parole board that makes the ultimate decision to open the door, and there are 1,000's of cases where the parole board disagrees with the govenor.......this was definitely one of them that they should have disagreed on.

Well... when he has a 'special' meeting with the board and the fact that he had to fight a lot of opposition to get the guy out on parole, put more of the burden on his shoulders.

If he hadn't kept pushing and bullcraping his way through the process, I bet the parole board would have disagreed.

[Kel]

Well... when he has a 'special' meeting with the board and the fact that he had to fight a lot of opposition to get the guy out on parole, put more of the burden on his shoulders.

If he hadn't kept pushing and bullcraping his way through the process, I bet the parole board would have disagreed.

Well I don't know any of the specifics of those meetings......I just know the process taken. I haven't seen any links to the specifics, so at this point the meetings are heresay as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that is fact IMO, is the process.

[Gilpesh]

Well I don't know any of the specifics of those meetings......I just know the process taken. I haven't seen any links to the specifics, so at this point the meetings are heresay as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that is fact IMO, is the process.

And this link, with documents. WARNING: some of these articles have letters from the victims of DuMond and they describe their experience. Which is weird, cause those letters went to Huckabee, who said he never got any... to then a few days later admit he got them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/huckabee-pardon

[Captain Planet!]

CONAN MADE HUCKABEE

[Kel]

And this link, with documents. WARNING: some of these articles have letters from the victims of DuMond and they describe their experience. Which is weird, cause those letters went to Huckabee, who said he never got any... to then a few days later admit he got them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/huckabee-pardon


Interesting, I'll take a look at that......

[cerealkiller182]

And this link, with documents. WARNING: some of these articles have letters from the victims of DuMond and they describe their experience. Which is weird, cause those letters went to Huckabee, who said he never got any... to then a few days later admit he got them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/huckabee-pardon

They are prolly open letter. Letters addressed to specific person but published in a periodical instead of sent to the person.

[Gilpesh]

They are prolly open letter. Letters addressed to specific person but published in a periodical instead of sent to the person.

Nope. Huckabee even admitted receiving some of the letters after denying he got any.

[MaskedManJRK]

To Me, the Fairtax is THEE most important issue. I believe that it wouldn't just help the economy for a little while like everyone else's Economic Stimulas Packages, but would fix the punishing tax code and increase the Economy for Generations. Even if he couldn't get it through Congress, which I gaurentee would be possible as it has 70 co-signers and growing and Millions upon Millions of people supporting the Fairtax, that if he would become president the support would grow even more. The People need to get behind it to pass congress, but more people would get behind it if the President could speak about it, opening more eyes.

So you're willing to let the country turn into a fascist theocracy where you would have no actual rights just so you have more of your checkbook? :o

[Kel]

So you're willing to let the country turn into a fascist theocracy where you would have no actual rights just so you have more of your checkbook? :o


Even though I'm not a fan of Huckabee......the fact that you think that would happen simply with having a Southern Baptist as a president, is pretty hysterical....

[Gilpesh]

Even though I'm not a fan of Huckabee......the fact that you think that would happen simply with having a Southern Baptist as a president, is pretty hysterical....

His goals of changing the Constitution into the Bible 2.0 doesn't help your claim of hysterical thinking on his part.

[Kel]

His goals of changing the Constitution into the Bible 2.0 doesn't help your claim of hysterical thinking on his part.


Very true, but the fact that anyone would think that our Legislative Branch, and our Judicial Branch would ever allow us to move toward a fascist state is laughable...we will move toward a socialist state, long before we will a fascist state...

[MaskedManJRK]

Very true, but the fact that anyone would think that our Legislative Branch, and our Judicial Branch would ever allow us to move toward a fascist state is laughable...we will move toward a socialist state, long before we will a fascist state...

Considering our current president's efforts in pushing the checks and balances to give the Executive branch more power, I wouldn't be surprised if Huckabee continues this.

[Gilpesh]

Very true, but the fact that anyone would think that our Legislative Branch, and our Judicial Branch would ever allow us to move toward a fascist state is laughable...we will move toward a socialist state, long before we will a fascist state...

Well the steps taken by Bush to make the executive branch a little stronger than it should be, helps out Huckabee if he is elected. Heck, with Bush pulling a pocket veto while Congress is still in session... Huckabee's reign could pull the country back a lot more than you think.

Although socialist state doesn't sound any better than a fascist one.

[MaskedManJRK]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/us/politics/18campaign.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

...

:csad:

[The Senator]

I've been doing a lot of reading up on his positions and tenure as Governor of Arkansas. I originally said I wouldn't have a huge problem if he became President, because at least he's a nice guy... Well, I withdraw my earlier statement. His comments over gay marriage and wanting to amend the constitution so it reflects "God's law" is terrifying to me. Some people-- including my Republican father-- believe that Huckabee would be the Christian equivalent of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. While I don't know how accurate a label that is, the fact that we would have another president attempting to force his beliefs on not only our nation, but nations abroad, makes me incredibly worried about the future of this country. Say what you will about his stance on taxes, how his politics are actually quite moderate in some respects... but his ideology is anything but centrist, and they may very well border the line of extremism.

I really hope he loses SC tonight, because if he does, he probably won't be able to win the nomination, and then the presidency.

[Kel]

Well the steps taken by Bush to make the executive branch a little stronger than it should be, helps out Huckabee if he is elected. Heck, with Bush pulling a pocket veto while Congress is still in session... Huckabee's reign could pull the country back a lot more than you think.

Although socialist state doesn't sound any better than a fascist one.


Well, ya better look at your parties, in the area of government intervention.......

[teseract]

Very true, but the fact that anyone would think that our Legislative Branch, and our Judicial Branch would ever allow us to move toward a fascist state is laughable...we will move toward a socialist state, long before we will a fascist state...

Currently there is only ONE vote on the Supreme court that keeps it from being a forum of religious Yes Men. With Huckabee as president you can be sure that this will change. Then the religious nuts control the judical as well as the executive branch.

[The Senator]

Currently there is only ONE vote on the Supreme court that keeps it from being a forum of religious Yes Men. With Huckabee as president you can be sure that this will change. Then the religious nuts control the judical as well as the executive branch.

Um, what?

Last I heard, it was pretty divided. Two of the justices were fairly religious, two of them are conservative, four of them are pretty liberal, and one of them is a "swing vote." The Supreme Court certainly isn't a religious forum of Yes Men by any means.

EDIT: Oh, wait, I understand now. Kennedy is the one SWING vote preventing it from being a religious conclave. Got it now.

[SuBe]

Huckabee presents the best choice for Reagan supporters

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/SiteImages/Byline/A_10019.jpgBy John Linder


I was first elected to the Georgia House of Representatives 34 years ago. I have watched this party change for a long time. Some changes have been better than others.

Two years after that first election, I went to work on the Reagan campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. I was one of the leaders of that campaign in Georgia, and my friend, Paul Coverdell, led the establishment's efforts to nominate President Ford.

It was the typical establishment-versus-interloper campaign. Most of the friends I had made in the party were in the establishment. Most of them thought the nomination of Ronald Reagan was not only impractical, but would destroy our party.

Reagan had just served two terms as the governor of California. His record was not all that conservative. He signed the biggest tax increase in the history of the state. He got the best he could get with a Democrat-dominated general assembly. He signed a bill legalizing abortion. But governors have different challenges than presidents.

Frankly, most of the establishment couldn't have cared less about abortion. They thought the discussion of it was, well, tacky. But we were, at the time, the party that Barry built, and the new foot soldiers cared about abortion.

Their concern with Reagan was that he just wasn't up to it. What did he know about foreign policy? How could he stand up to the Soviets? Did he understand detente?

During that campaign, as in all campaigns, the establishment sat at the head table, and the rest of us milled around the small round tables below.

Coverdell approached me, after Ford had won the first several primaries, and urged me to switch sides. Paul was convinced that Ford had the best chance of winning. Paul recited all of the reservations mentioned above and then said, "John, Reagan cannot win. No one will take him seriously." That was also the consensus of the Republican writers and commentators.

I said, "Paul, I think politics is all about what you believe. I know what Reagan believes. I have no idea what Ford believes. But you need to watch Reagan connect with the people. He is the best communicator I have ever seen. He is bringing new people into the party. And these are folks you won't be meeting at the club for lunch. They carry a lunch bucket to work. Or a brown paper bag."

Four years later, I worked again for Reagan and Paul worked for George H. W. Bush. Again, the Wall Street crowd sat at the head table, and the Main Street crowd sat at the small round tables on the floor.

The same arguments came from the establishment. His tax cut idea was a "riverboat gamble." In fact, his tax cuts doubled the size of the economy and doubled revenues to the treasury. Unfortunately, they spent that and more.

Reagan didn't understand that the world is a dangerous place and dealing with the Soviets required a more "understanding" policy. It also required a willingness to sign more treaties. They didn't know that Reagan had no interest in understanding the Soviets. He wanted communism consigned to "the ash heap of history."

It was a neverending series of put-downs until New Hampshire. Then it was over.

Reagan won that election with the support of Larry Lunch-bucket and Betty Brownbag. They were called the Reagan Democrats. When we celebrated that victory, I asked some of them why they chose to join us. They said, "When he talked, we felt that he was talking to us." The Reagan Democrats believe they have been ignored since 1988.

The establishment doesn't like change. They have always felt that their seats at the head table were threatened by those new to the club. The establishment that so ardently opposed Reagan's nomination in 1980 crawled all over each other to chair his 1984 race.

Today they now see themselves as those who put Reagan in power. His presidency was their presidency. They believe they are the keepers of the flame.

Today's establishment includes elected officials, consultants, lobbyists and even conservative writers and commentators. Unless you allow them to write the rules and approve of your positions you are unwelcome. Anyone who does not genuflect before their altar is "not conservative."

When you look at the many fine candidates seeking the Republican nomination for president, who do you believe can best speak to those Reagan Democrats?

I believe that candidate is Mike Huckabee.

When Reagan became president, one of his first moves was to reduce income taxes from 70 percent to 50 percent and ultimately down to 28 percent. As pointed out above, both the size of the economy and the federal revenues doubled in eight years.

Huckabee doesn't want to lower income taxes. He wants to abolish them - along with the IRS, the most intrusive, coercive and corrosive federal agency ever. Mike would replace those taxes on income with a sales tax - the FairTax. Every American will become a voluntary taxpayer paying taxes when you choose, as much as you choose, by how you choose to spend. How conservative can one get?

Rep. John Linder, R-Duluth, has served in the House of Representatives since 1992.

just wanted to share

[teseract]

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just wanted to share

A religious lunatic must never be elected!

[Venom'sDad]

It just hit me looking at the debate tonight, that Huckabee looks like like the Chef on those Cambell Soup Sea-Salt commercials.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Huckabee sounds like a funny name.

[The Senator]

Huckabee sounds like a funny name.

He would have the dumbest sounding name of any U.S. President if he won the election.

[Superhobo]

I'm surprised no one's made a "I DON'T heart Huckabee LOL" post.

Give it time, I guess.

[The Senator]

I'm surprised no one's made a "I DON'T heart Huckabee LOL" post.

Give it time, I guess.

I :cmad: Huckabee?

[teseract]

I just heard an interesting constellation predicted in the news. McCain and Romney are fighting for the votes, with Huckabee fishing votes at the American Taliban fringe. Now, the newscaster said it might be possible that Huckabee's action will cost Romney the nomination because Mitt needs the evangelicals to trump against McCain's conservative base. In that case, he continued, it might be possible that McCain might decide to nominate Huckabee for vice president, if his actions cost Romney the nomination. What do you guys think, is that a realistic assessment?

[The Senator]

To repeat:

If Huckabee becomes VP, I'm leaving the country! :cmad:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

LOL you are silly to make this thread when you saw it being talked about in this thread

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=294018&page=2

[teseract]

LOL you are silly to make this thread when you saw it being talked about in this thread

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=294018&page=2

Actually, No, I didn't see it, cause I didn't look into that thread... but hey, thanks, someone close this thread then please. ^^

[Superman]

If you ask me I think Huckabee is playing as a spoiler for Romney so McCain can win tomorrow. Huckabee knows he can't win but he can suck enough votes away from Romney for McCain to win the delegates he needs.

What do you guys think?

[hippie_hunter]

I completely beleive that Huckabee is remaining in the race to hurt Romney. While all of the Republican candidates hated Romney, Huckabee and McCain hated him the most by far.

[StorminNorman]

Thompson and Giulani don't hate Romney - only Huckabee and McCain do :(

[rdh007]

Vice President Huckabee helps give McCain his social conservative bona fides, and gives the rest of us a nutjob in the office when McCain dies after four months in office. :down

I'm no Republican, and I voted for McCain in 2000 (we're an open primary and Gore had it wrapped up), but I'd much rather see Romney. He seems least likely to screw things up and he seems like he'd listen to the people. McCain comes off as increasingly war-centric (with little to no depth on anything else, least of all the economy) and his man-love for President Bush made him seem like a stooge.

[hippie_hunter]

Thompson and Giulani don't hate Romney - only Huckabee and McCain do :(

I think it's pretty obvious that Paul hated Romney because Romney was a dickbag to the guy.

And Giuliani and Thompson enjoyed it when everyone ganged up on Romney. They obviously supported McCain and Huckabee over Romney.

[Superman]

It looks like Huckabee is going to get my state W.Va.:wow:

[hippie_hunter]

Looks like, he already got it.

[Superman]

Looks like, he already got it.I think that's funny as hell. W.Va. is just doing republicans today so I didn't have to worry about voting.

It don't surprise me that this state's republicans would go for Huckabee. There are alot of church goer's around here. :whatever:

[Malice]

That should be about all he will get for the day...

[Superman]

That should be about all he will get for the day...Yeah, That's what I figure as well.

[hippie_hunter]

I think that's funny as hell. W.Va. is just doing republicans today so I didn't have to worry about voting.

It don't surprise me that this state's republicans would go for Huckabee. There are alot of church goer's around here. :whatever:

Romney should have won West Virginia. Huckabee only won because of McCain's supporters who did not want to see Romney win.

[Superman]

Romney should have won West Virginia. Huckabee only won because of McCain's supporters who did not want to see Romney win.That's what Romney is saying. He thinks Huckabee won W.Va. because McCain made some kind of "Backroom Deal".

Who knows? It wouldn't surprise me though.

[Venom'sDad]

Well, things are getting ugly on the Republican side.

[Matt]

Well, things are getting ugly on the Republican side.

Only towards Romney. Everything else is incredibly civil for an election. Now the Democrats....they are having one of the most dirty primaries in recent history. Curious that the big "change, I'm above politics-as-usual" candidate is down in the trenches throwing mud with the best of them.

[Venom'sDad]

Nah... it's getting ugly just on the Republican side for the moment. :oldrazz:

[jaguarr]

Vice President Huckabee helps give McCain his social conservative bona fides, and gives the rest of us a nutjob in the office when McCain dies after four months in office. :down

I'm no Republican, and I voted for McCain in 2000 (we're an open primary and Gore had it wrapped up), but I'd much rather see Romney. He seems least likely to screw things up and he seems like he'd listen to the people. McCain comes off as increasingly war-centric (with little to no depth on anything else, least of all the economy) and his man-love for President Bush made him seem like a stooge.

Nailed it! :up:

jag

[Matt]

Huckabee is going to have to be chosen as McCain's running mate. Look at these exit poll numbers. McCain simply is not appeasing conservative or evangelical republicans. Huckabee on the other hand, is their man now.

[jaguarr]

Huckabee is going to have to be chosen as McCain's running mate. Look at these exit poll numbers. McCain simply is not appeasing conservative or evangelical republicans. Huckabee on the other hand, is their man now.

Bob Dole was on Colbert last night touting Condi Rice as McCain's VP running mate over Huckabee. I hadn't heard that idea, thus far, as all the buzz is about Huckabee right now.

jag

[Matt]

Condi Rice? Now that could be interesting, especially if Clinton gets the nomination. Still, I don't think Condi would want it. Not to mention, while McCain has to reach out to neo cons, he at the same time needs to distance himself from the Bush administration. I know it seems like a contradiction, but its not.

[jaguarr]

Condi Rice? Now that could be interesting, especially if Clinton gets the nomination. Still, I don't think Condi would want it. Not to mention, while McCain has to reach out to neo cons, he at the same time needs to distance himself from the Bush administration. I know it seems like a contradiction, but its not.

I get what you're saying and I agree it would seem a bit of an odd move, IMHO. I'll be honest, I don't like what I see shaping up around McCain: Huckabee as VP (having a nutjob one heart attack away from the Oval Office with a President that old is kind of frightening) and Dirty Rudy angling for an Attorney General slot (he'd make Ashcroft look like a champion for defending the Constitution) and I get really, really bad vibes.

jag

[teseract]

I get what you're saying and I agree it would seem a bit of an odd move, IMHO. I'll be honest, I don't like what I see shaping up around McCain: Huckabee as VP (having a nutjob one heart attack away from the Oval Office with a President that old is kind of frightening) and Dirty Rudy angling for an Attorney General slot (he'd make Ashcroft look like a champion for defending the Constitution) and I get really, really bad vibes.

jag

It's damn scary, however, it could prove beneficial for the Dems. It might scare more morderate voters away from McCain, if his runing mate sprouts off about changing the constitution into the Bible 2.0.

[CalebYourMaster]

I like McCain....and of course I love Huckabee....was so excited to see him do good on Super Tuesday

[teseract]

I like McCain....and of course I love Huckabee....was so excited to see him do good on Super Tuesday
There is nothing lovable about a man who'd want to shred the US-Constitution in favor of a christian equivalent to Sharia-Law. The United States don't need an evangelical version of an Ayatollah.

[Chris B]

I don't think McCain is going to pick Huckabee because he also has his own problems with the conservative base. I think McCain will go with Tim Pawlenty or possibly Mark Sanford.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Huckabee is going to have to be chosen as McCain's running mate. Look at these exit poll numbers. McCain simply is not appeasing conservative or evangelical republicans. Huckabee on the other hand, is their man now.

Huckabee would be George W Bush 2.0. I pray to god he gets no where near the White House.

And McCain doesnt necessarily need him to win. Do you really think conservative and evangelical republicans will vote for Hillary or Barack over him? Fat chance. If McCain gets the nom, he can basically run with whomever he wants, because in the Republicans eyes he'll ALWAYS be the lesser of two evils. His big concern will have to be independents and moderates with whom he already does well with. If anything god-fearing Huckabee would convince them not to vote for him

[Genesis 1.0]

I like McCain....and of course I love Huckabee....was so excited to see him do good on Super Tuesday

Yeah, strapped for cash and left for dead but he still managed to pull in the Deep South in it's entirity. Too late a burst but a good showing nonetheless when most expected him to win 1 state at best.:o

[Arkady Rossovich]

No one can stop McCain now. He will be the Republican,to take on the Democrats. Huckabee may be trying to hang on,but i also think he's there to stop Romney. It makes sence.

[jaguarr]

No one can stop McCain now. He will be the Republican,to take on the Democrats. Huckabee may be trying to hang on,but i also think he's there to stop Romney. It makes sence.


Ehhhh, not necessarily. Romney picks up a couple of key states like Texas and he's right back in the mix as a contender again.

jag

[The Senator]

I still find it amazing that Huckabee won the majority of the deep Southern States-- if not all of them. I mean, it isn't surprising, but the fact that John McCain lost them proves that he may have a problem convincing evangelicals that he's their candidate.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Huckabee is a "good ole boy" of course he was going to win the Southern States. Did you really expect them to vote for a Massachusetts Mormon or a moderate like McCain?

When McCain gets the nom, what other choice do the Evangelicals have? Abstention?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Huckabee is a "good ole boy" of course he was going to win the Southern States. Did you really expect them to vote for a Massachusetts Mormon or a moderate like McCain?

When McCain gets the nom, what other choice do the Evangelicals have? Abstention?


Heh heh, he won all the southern states. I now crown Huckabee as Hickabee :p

[teseract]

When McCain gets the nom, what other choice do the Evangelicals have? Abstention?

Hopefully they will. ^^

If one looks at the cesspool that is Freerepublic, it was the prefered strategie of the loonies before the Dingleberry came along.

[Venom'sDad]

I'm not sure Huckabee is playing spoiler, I suspect his intent is. Many of the poll have showed in a two man race between McCain and Romney, Huckabee votes split nearly 60-40 for Romney. I'm not sure Romney is getting enough for Huckabee to be considered a spoiler.

However, IMO, what is happening now, McCain and Huckabee has devise a plan to allow Huckabee to continue running, not to simply keep McCain in the news, which suspect is one of the reasons; but also, for Huchabee to shore up the Conservative/Evangel base behind himself. This would allow a McCain/Huckabee ticket to unite most of the GOP base behind McCain. Now McCain does not have to be overly apologetic to the more conservative side of the Rep base.

[The Senator]

I'm not sure Huckabee is playing spoiler, I suspect his intent is. Many of the poll have showed in a two man race between McCain and Romney, Huckabee votes split nearly 60-40 for Romney. I'm not sure Romney is getting enough for Huckabee to be considered a spoiler.

However, IMO, what is happening now, McCain and Huckabee has devise a plan to allow Huckabee to continue running, not to simply keep McCain in the news, which suspect is one of the reasons; but also, for Huchabee to shore up the Conservative/Evangel base behind himself. This would allow a McCain/Huckabee ticket to unite most of the GOP base behind McCain. Now McCain does not have to be overly apologetic to the more conservative side of the Rep base.

Putting an economic liberal on McCain's ticket will not help him win conservative votes. Also, Huckabee's illegal immigration record is worse than McCain's, and I have a feeling it will come back and haunt him.

Plus, Huckabee doesn't want it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23096182/

McCain will pick a strong social and economic conservative to balance his ticket. Someone like Senators Jim DeMint, Lindsey Graham, or John Thune; or Governors Tim Pawlenty, Haley Barbour or Mark Sanford. Huckabee would have a better shot at a cabinet position, if anything at all.

[jaguarr]

Yeah, I think Huckabee wants it all or nothing at this point. He's really trying to go out of his way to say McCain's not a true conservative and he's making some headway in some states by doing it, too. He popped up on the Colbert Show last week and said that if he didn't think he had a chance at getting the nomination, he wouldn't stay in the race.

jag

[comicgirl]

Huckabee Explains His Views on Evolution

Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee on Friday sought to explain why he doesn't believe in evolution, saying he is not opposed to teaching Darwin's theory.

Huckabee was one of three GOP candidates who raised their hand during Thursday's debate when asked if they don't believe in evolution the development of organisms and species from a primitive state.

Huckabee said if given a chance to elaborate on the question from MSNBC moderator Chris Matthews, he would have responded: "If you want to believe that you and your family came from apes, I'll accept that....I believe there was a creative process."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3140255

:wow: WTF? One word.........FOSSILS!!!!!

http://www.fossilmuseum.net/fossilpictures-wpd/Archaeopteryx/Archaeopteryx.jpg

This makes me a bit sad. :csad: sigh

[rdh007]

President/Pastor Chuckleberry will really help America to be taken seriously on the world's stage after McCain has a heart attack from stress. :rolleyes:

[Superhobo]

Yeah. This and what he said about AIDS victims is making me fear the possibility of having him as a president immensely. He's an idiot, to be sure (and not just for this), but a mo' with a rocket launcher still has a rocket launcher.


:o

[Darkly Dexter]

lol How can anybody vote for someone who doesn't "believe" in evolution? It's a scientific fact!

[StorminNorman]

Its a scientific theory! :cmad:

Not that I don't agree with you completely.

Even regarding Emma Watson :huh:

[Darkly Dexter]

Some people says it's a fact, other people says it's a theory. I say it's a fact.

[Addendum]

So how long until Huckabee comes out against gravity?

http://bigheaddc.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/mike-huckabee-no-suit.jpg
"If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety?"

[comicgirl]

lol How can anybody vote for someone who doesn't "believe" in evolution? It's a scientific fact!
It's all very spooky....Talking to my in-laws from Germany last week.... they said European news pretty much portrays us as war mongering religious nutz.:csad:

[The Senator]

"If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety?"

http://bigheaddc.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/mike-huckabee-no-suit.jpg
"Well, Anderson, I like to think God's a poorly-dressed, snaggle-toothed version of Kevin Spacey, too."

[teseract]

It's all very spooky....Talking to my in-laws from Germany last week.... they said European news pretty much portrays us as war mongering religious nutz.:csad:

True, our news do and when you look at such headlines, they don't seem to be that far off.

[Superman]

lol How can anybody vote for someone who doesn't "believe" in evolution? It's a scientific fact!How anyone could vote for a republican after what they have done over the past 8 years is beyond me.

Yeah, I know the Dems didn't try to stop them but the fact remains that the Dems don't now nor did they before have the votes to stop them or to override a veto, And it was the republicans that spearheaded everything that has been done to this country and it's constitution.

Why the hell would anybody, Knowing what we know now, vote for more of the same crap again? And that's exactly what we will get if eather Huckabeee or McCain gets the White House. Bush part 2. :whatever:

[teseract]

Its a scientific theory! :cmad:

Not that I don't agree with you completely.

Even regarding Emma Watson :huh:

Theory in science talk means "It's pretty much a wrap! We just need to iron out a few kinks as we go."

Sadly, science humility has given anti-science groups a wedge to attack. Science should become bolder and call facts, facts. Enough with that humble crap. That was good rethorics in the last century. It doesn't work anymore in this day and age.

[teseract]

...

Why the hell would anybody, Knowing what we know now, vote for more of the same crap again? And that's exactly what we will get if eather Huckabeee or McCain gets the White House. Bush part 2. :whatever:

Wrong, Huckabee would be even worse than Bush.

[teseract]

"If you want to believe that you and your family came from apes, I'll accept that....I believe there was a creative process."
Thanks you! You just showed that you're too much of an idiot to understand evolution, Mister Dingleberry. Maybe you shoukd try a few college courses again, instead of trying to become president.

[Arkady Rossovich]

lol How can anybody vote for someone who doesn't "believe" in evolution? It's a scientific fact!

It is fact,but some do not want to accept that fact. The current generation incharge of America won't accept it,the next generation will.

Baby Boomers < Generation X

[The Chairman]

Huckabee's disbelief in evolution doesn't bother me. A good portion of our presidents were creationists.

It's his general disregard for Separation Of Church & State that scares the living **** out of me. I'm a Christian, but Huckabee would be a nightmare to all religions.

That being said, he won't win.

[comicgirl]

Thanks you! You just showed that you're too much of an idiot to understand evolution, Mister Dingleberry. Maybe you shoukd try a few college courses again, instead of trying to become president.he's such a tool...thank the gods he'll be out of the race soon

[Memphis Slim]

Now it's a Fact??? :woot:

When did it stop being called "THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION???????"

Not one of you has ever seen an ape-man. No one has ever found a skeleton of an ape-man.

The "link" is still missing. f

[Addendum]

hey, celldog just showed he knows nothing about evolution just like Huckabee

[Darkly Dexter]

Now it's a Fact??? :woot:

When did it stop being called "THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION???????"

Not one of you has ever seen an ape-man. No one has ever found a skeleton of an ape-man.

The "link" is still missing. f

Good Lord...

[rdh007]

The "link" is still missing. f
Ohhhh, I don't know about that...

[Steve Rogers]

Seeing as how he wants to re-draft the US Constitution to meet God's standards, nothing he says will surprise me anymore.

[cerealkiller182]

Now it's a Fact??? :woot:

When did it stop being called "THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION???????"

Not one of you has ever seen an ape-man. No one has ever found a skeleton of an ape-man.

The "link" is still missing. f

Actually, some believe Lucy (Australopithecus) is the missing link

http://www.joergresag.privat.t-online.de/mybk4htm/lucy.jpg

I still think its a theory, but so is gravity. You gonna argue that too?

[Memphis Slim]

Actually, some believe Lucy (Australopithecus) is the missing link

http://www.joergresag.privat.t-online.de/mybk4htm/lucy.jpg

I still think its a theory, but so is gravity. You gonna argue that too?



HA!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Pieces of bone and you draw a picture like that???

What a wild imagination!! :woot: How do you know this person had fur by looking at the bones? How do even get a face like that when there's not even a full skull there?? You can't reconstruct flesh.

[Memphis Slim]

hey, celldog just showed he knows nothing about evolution just like Huckabee


You're good at the smart alec jabs. But you still didn't address the issue. Since when is it not still the "THEORY OF EVOLUTION"??

Now it's fact??? And not one ape-man has ever been produced!

And if we came from apes, why are there still apes around? Was it a very "special" kinda' ape?? :hehe:

[Addendum]

Dude, the only thing that you could do is drive to either the library or a bookstore, and pick up some science books regarding evolution.

Just make sure that the books you get are written by actual scientists, not the ones who claim to be scientists but promote non-science (intelligent design, creationism, and other such tripe).

The only thing is, I doubt it will make any sense to you, since it would place you in a state of inner conflict, whereby everything you were taught or instilled about science (i.e. what religious people claimed science was about) will be at odds with actual science.

The last 2 sentences in your previous post about "ape-man" and "why are there still apes around" tells me that you reading a science book would accomplish the same thing as having a 3 year old read The Brothers Karamazov.

[The Senator]

Dude, the only thing that you could do is drive to either the library or a bookstore, and pick up some science books regarding evolution.

Just make sure that the books you get are written by actual scientists, not the ones who claim to be scientists but promote non-science (intelligent design, creationism, and other such tripe).

The only thing is, I doubt it will make any sense to you, since it would place you in a state of inner conflict, whereby everything you were taught or instilled about science (i.e. what religious people claimed science was about) will be at odds with actual science.

The last 2 sentences in your previous post about "ape-man" and "why are there still apes around" tells me that you reading a science book would accomplish the same thing as having a 3 year old read The Brothers Karamazov.

Even if it was a proven fact, nothing could ever convince him that evolution actually took place. This will just become five or six pages of mindless bickering, but with photographs comparing evolutionists to saber-wielding Arabs.

[MaskedManJRK]

Now it's a Fact??? :woot:

When did it stop being called "THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION???????"

Not one of you has ever seen an ape-man. No one has ever found a skeleton of an ape-man.

The "link" is still missing. f

Okay, class! Today in Science 101, we will learn the scientific definition of "theory."

The thing with science is, with each new technological advance and each new generation of science (or even within the same generation), we learn new things or we find that the thing we thought we knew was actually wrong.

Since our scientific facts can change depending on the experiment, scientists call them "theories" to remember of their state of flux.

So far, while there hasn't been anything that directly proves that evolution is real, there hasn't been anything that directly proves that evolution is NOT real. Therefore, it is still considered a legitimate, scientific theory.

Be sure to take notes on this, for you'll be quizzed on this at a later date. :woot:

[Memphis Slim]

Dude, the only thing that you could do is drive to either the library or a bookstore, and pick up some science books regarding evolution.

Just make sure that the books you get are written by actual scientists, not the ones who claim to be scientists but promote non-science (intelligent design, creationism, and other such tripe).

The only thing is, I doubt it will make any sense to you, since it would place you in a state of inner conflict, whereby everything you were taught or instilled about science (i.e. what religious people claimed science was about) will be at odds with actual science.

The last 2 sentences in your previous post about "ape-man" and "why are there still apes around" tells me that you reading a science book would accomplish the same thing as having a 3 year old read The Brothers Karamazov.


You still didn't answer the question.

[Memphis Slim]

Okay, class! Today in Science 101, we will learn the scientific definition of "theory."

The thing with science is, with each new technological advance and each new generation of science (or even within the same generation), we learn new things or we find that the thing we thought we knew was actually wrong.

Since our scientific facts can change depending on the experiment, scientists call them "theories" to remember of their state of flux.

So far, while there hasn't been anything that directly proves that evolution is real, there hasn't been anything that directly proves that evolution is NOT real. Therefore, it is still considered a legitimate, scientific theory.

Be sure to take notes on this, for you'll be quizzed on this at a later date. :woot:


Here's your definition:

Theory:
hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was ...

[Bill]

Now it's a Fact??? :woot:

When did it stop being called "THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION???????"

Not one of you has ever seen an ape-man. No one has ever found a skeleton of an ape-man.

The "link" is still missing. f

You are still just as ignorant on the subject as you ever were. Since evolution doesn't say we evolved from apes, I'm curious why you're still looking for an ape-man?

Maybe if you had objections actually based on what evolution says, instead of what you've been mistakenly told it says, it would help your understanding.

And again, a theory, in science, is just under a fact. And evolution is both. Evolution occurs, that is the fact. The how and why is the theory. We have told you, and others with similar misunderstandings, this over and over, Ad Nauseum. Why do you still parrot the same erroneous information despite knowing better?

Today, there is no excuse for not knowing what science has to say about Evolution. None at all. There are too many books and sites to read about it so you don't, like Mr. Huckabee, end up looking like a fool.

[Bill]

You still didn't answer the question.

Because the question doesn't apply to evolution.

[Memphis Slim]

You are still just as ignorant on the subject as you ever were. Since evolution doesn't say we evolved from apes, I'm curious why you're still looking for an ape-man?

Maybe if you had objections actually based on what evolution says, instead of what you've been mistakenly told it says, it would help your understanding.

And again, a theory, in science, is just under a fact. And evolution is both. Evolution occurs, that is the fact. The how and why is the theory. We have told you, and others with similar misunderstandings, this over and over, Ad Nauseum. Why do you still parrot the same erroneous information despite knowing better?

Today, there is no excuse, for not knowing what science has to say about Evolution. None at all. There are too many books and sites to read about it so you don't, like Mr. Huckabee, end up looking like a fool.


Good ol' Bill. Figured you or Sparkie would show up.

A theory is "just under a fact"?? :woot:
so that means...................IT'S NOT A FACT!!! WOW! I just said that a couple of posts ago.


Either it's true or it's not. If it is not proven, having people like you, wanting to believe it, still won't make it so. It's a guess!!!

Hukabee has faith. He believes in something he has not seen.

But guess what.... Atheists like you, are believing in something not seen or proven either.

[Bill]

Good ol' Bill. Figured you or Sparkie would show up.

A theory is "just under a fact"?? :woot:
so that means...................IT'S NOT A FACT!!! WOW! I just said that a couple of posts ago.


Either it's true or it's not. If it is not proven, having people like you, wanting to believe it, still won't make it so. It's guess!!!

Hukabee has faith. He believes in something he has not seen.

But guess what.... Atheists like you, are believe in something not seen or proven either.

You still don't get it. That we evolve (read: evolution) is proven to be a fact. Genetically, it occurs everyday. We have proof. Irrefutable proof that we have linked you to in the past. But we don't know exactly how and why it occurs. That is the theory part. We have been explaining that to you as well.

You want to make this a faith vs. faith thing. It isn't anything like that at all. Science is all about what is seen and can be proven. And no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, Evolution still occurs and it is still the most viable explanation for the biologic diversity seen on this planet.

Now, you didn't parrot the ape-man thing again. Did you learn something here? Because I suspect that after this discussion gets into high gear and your knowledge of evolution is seen as severely lacking, you'll be on your way out. I just want to make sure that you finally learned something before you go.

[Memphis Slim]

You still don't get it. That we evolve (read: evolution) is proven to be a fact. Genetically, it occurs everyday. We have proof. Irrefutable proof that we have linked you to in the past. But we don't know exactly how and why it occurs. That is the theory part. We have been explaining that to you as well.

You want to make this a faith vs. faith thing. It isn't anything like that at all. Science is all about what is seen and can be proven. And no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, Evolution still occurs and it is still the most viable explanation for the biologic diversity seen on this planet.

Now, you didn't parrot the ape-man thing again. Did you learn something here? Because I suspect that after this discussion gets into high gear and your knowledge of evolution is seen as severely lacking, you'll be on your way out. I just want to make sure that you finally learned something before you go.


No Bill...YOU don't get it! You have nothing but imaginative drawings and paintings of men who want to wish God away, like you. Some scientist found a tooth...."ONE TOOTH" on a farm in Nebraska back in the 20's and drew a picture around the tooth and it became this......

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:xtbsu2XO1o-YLM:http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/nebraska.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/nebraska.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/ape1.htm&h=424&w=345&sz=20&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=xtbsu2XO1o-YLM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNebraska%2Bman%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26r lz%3D1T4RNWN_enUS210US211%26sa%3DN)

All of that from one tooth???? Bill, if you found my tooth in a parking lot, could you make a sketch of me from that? Think for a minute...geeez!

By the way.....that tooth was found to belong to a pig!!!

[Memphis Slim]

And look...I know that "micro" evolution occurs in nature. Adaptions to environment etc..... That is a fact.

The stupid stuff is the "Macro" evolution you guys keep spoutin' off about. When you have one specices jumping to something totally different! Ape to Man..........Snake to Bird........etc......that's just plain looney.

[Mr Sparkle]

And if we came from apes, why are there still apes around? Was it a very "special" kinda' ape?? :hehe:

primates, that has been established before. several times and apparently you have not bothered to register it.
different things Celldog, why do you pretend they are the same?

infact, why do you pretend like it's a rational stance to NOT believe in evolution?
sure, there's no concrete, undeniable evidence for it, and hence it is a theory, but it has A LOT of scientific evidence to back it up.
Huckabee however, chooses to play the "creation" card, evidence for that?
ZIP.
scientific backing for it? NIL.
and yet you try to propose that since evolution is a theory it shouldn't be believed in without completely and undeniable scientific evidence, all the while defending the man's right to propose an alternative for which not only is there NO scientific evidence, but scientific evidence actually disproves most of it?

please.

[Mr Sparkle]

And look...I know that "micro" evolution occurs in nature. Adaptions to environment etc..... That is a fact.

The stupid stuff is the "Macro" evolution you guys keep spoutin' off about. When you have one specices jumping to something totally different! Ape to Man..........Snake to Bird........etc......that's just plain looney.

so, magic man in the sky granting wishes and passing out judgement, all the while creating life for his own amusement?

rational.

belief in evolution, backed by scientific evidence?

Looney.

haha! gotcha, sure, makes sense.
also, why do you keep going on about "apes" man?
this just means you haven't read the theory of evolution at all.

[teseract]

And if we came from apes, why are there still apes around? Was it a very "special" kinda' ape?? :hehe:
Sorry, but how much of an idiot are you? Evolution does NOT say man came from apes. Damn, get and education for Pete's sake!

[teseract]

And look...I know that "micro" evolution occurs in nature. Adaptions to environment etc..... That is a fact.

The stupid stuff is the "Macro" evolution you guys keep spoutin' off about. When you have one specices jumping to something totally different! Ape to Man..........Snake to Bird........etc......that's just plain looney.

Fine, then explain to me following phenomenae:

-Why does protein from a T-Rex bone react to a virus that befalls birds?

-How can you explain Atavism?

-Why has Mitochondriae different RNA?

[Memphis Slim]

so, magic man in the sky granting wishes and passing out judgement, all the while creating life for his own amusement?

rational.

belief in evolution, backed by scientific evidence?

Looney.

haha! gotcha, sure, makes sense.
also, why do you keep going on about "apes" man?
this just means you haven't read the theory of evolution at all.
aaah...there you are! :yay:

[MetalloX]

Some people says it's a fact, other people says it's a theory. I say it's a fact.

Well huckabee is an far-right evangelical.

[sinewave]

this is fun!

[teseract]

Well huckabee is an far-right evangelical.

ergo, he's an idiot.

[CalebYourMaster]

Im with Huckabee...I dont believe in Evolution (Im Christian)

[SuBe]

Im with Huckabee...I dont believe in Evolution (Im Christian)
You just opened yourself for bashing.

Just saying.

Don't you think that it is unfair that we constantly hear that we should pratice acceptance for people's beliefs? But you don't get that same tolerance for your christian beliefs? I don't think that is very fair.

[The Senator]

Im with Huckabee...I dont believe in Evolution (Im Christian)

:lmao:

[Super Kal]

Im with Huckabee...I dont believe in Evolution (Im Christian)
I'm with you too, Caleb

[Raiden]

Im with Huckabee...I dont believe in Evolution (Im Christian)

Do you reject evolution (in the face of incredible scientific evidences) just because you are a Christian? I thought Christians nowadays would not reject evolution theory completely, because how can you deny all the fossil records and studies that revealed species having evolutionary relationships?

[The Chairman]

I am a Christian but I fully believe in evolution. It's really not that hard to reconcile religious beliefs with scientific theory. I don't see how evolution disproves the existence of God. Anyone who argues that is just as, if not more, ignorant as those who refuse to accept that evolution is just short of being a fact.

[Gilpesh]

I am a Christian but I fully believe in evolution. It's really not that hard to reconcile religious beliefs with scientific theory. I don't see how evolution contradicts or disproves the existence of God.

Hey look! Someone gets it!

God is supposed to be some being beyond everything we know... so that means science does not apply and if science does not apply... it can neither be proven or disproved by science.

[Addendum]

You just opened yourself for bashing.

Just saying.

Don't you think that it is unfair that we constantly hear that we should pratice acceptance for people's beliefs? But you don't get that same tolerance for your christian beliefs? I don't think that is very fair.

There's a big difference though. Huckabee and celldog have done nothing but create and shoot down a straw man argument regarding evolution, despite a wealth of material that shows what they (Huckabee and celldog) think evolution is all about, is wrong.

All Caleb said is "that he doesn't believe in evolution". He mentioned nothing about "apes becoming human" or "snakes to birds" nonsense.

[The Chairman]

I've said this before, but if you want to look at God as intelligent and loving, then evolution makes more sense than taking Creationism in a literal context. The idea that God would let his creations grow over time and adapt to their environment using a complex but well thought out process is very reassuring and fits more into the All Loving Creator portrayal of God.

[Memphis Slim]

You just opened yourself for bashing.

Just saying.

Don't you think that it is unfair that we constantly hear that we should pratice acceptance for people's beliefs? But you don't get that same tolerance for your christian beliefs? I don't think that is very fair.


Oh.....it's very hypocritical of all of these so-called tolerent, open-minded liberals. They don't practice what they preach, when it comes to one particular group. Christians.

I actually get a kick out of it. :oldrazz:


I'm not looking for fairness from these people. They are not capable of it. :yay:

[Addendum]

I'm not tolerant of people who are intellectually lazy

[Memphis Slim]

I've said this before, but if you want to look at God as intelligent and loving, then evolution makes more sense than taking Creationism in a literal context. The idea that God would let his creations grow over time and adapt to their environment using a complex but well thought out process is very reassuring and fits more into the All Loving Creator portrayal of God.


So let me understand.....

If God (infinite and all-knowing) did it the way "YOU" (a finite mortal man) thought it should be done, it would make more sense?

[Memphis Slim]

I'm not tolerant of people who are intellectually lazy


See....always an exception. :whatever: :woot:

[Addendum]

My comment applies to everyone that fits that term, whether they're religious or not.

In this specific thread, Huckabee is intellectually lazy with regard to evolution. As are you.

[cerealkiller182]

your the one who keeps talking about ape-men when people have continually said thats not the theory,its just what Christians believe it is,and you have dodged that observation every time

[The Chairman]

So let me understand.....

If God (infinite and all-knowing) did it the way "YOU" (a finite mortal man) thought it should be done, it would make more sense?

How do you know God created us? You see, you're ignorant. I never claimed God created me the way I wanted to be created it. I frankly couldn't care how he created me. He could've made all living things out of an infinite supply of Silly Putty, and I wouldn't care, because he obviously felt I was worth a spot on Earth and that's really all that matters to me. It sounds like you want God to have created you a certain way, and now feel threatened that He may have done it via another method.

And as for why it seems that liberals seem to have something against Christianity, it's because of the Christians like you who want to shove it down people's throats, who want to forbid people of their basic human rights (like how you feel gays can't marry), and who vote for fanatics like Huckabee who'd turn into America into a theocracy the first chance they get and further divide us. Sadly, those are the most vocal members of the faith, and that createst stereotyping among certain non-Christians that all Christians are like that. Do I think it's right. **** NO!. But while I don't condone it, it doesn't give the extremists any more right to do what they do. Both sides are equally wrong, but the other side simply does it due to overexposure from the fanatics outnumbering the more logically minded Christians who'd be perfectly accepting of different faiths. You know, like what you do with Muslims.

[Memphis Slim]

My comment applies to everyone that fits that term, whether they're religious or not.

In this specific thread, Huckabee is intellectually lazy with regard to evolution. As are you.


Based on what?? Because he does not subscribe to a "THEORY"?? Something not fully proven? You guys keep telling us to give you proof. But you still have not given us proof.:yay:

I think you are the intellectually lazy one. Something never comes from nothing. Evolution expects you to accept that premise.

[Memphis Slim]

How do you know God created us? You see, you're ignorant. I never claimed God created me the way I wanted to be created it. I frankly couldn't care how he created me. He could've made all living things out of an infinite supply of silly puddy, and I wouldn't care.

And as for why it seems that liberals seem to have something against Christianity, it's because of the Christians like you who want to shove it down people's throats, who want to forbid people of their basic human rights (like how you feel gays can't marry), and who vote for fanatics like Huckabee who'd turn into America into a theocracy the first chance they get and further divide us. Sadly, those are the most vocal members of the faith, and that createst stereotyping among certain non-Christians that all Christians are like that. Do I think it's right. **** no. But while I don't condone it, it doesn't give the extremists any more right to do what they do.


You made the hypothesis about God fella.....not me.
I just took your comment and bended it on it's ear. :hehe: Now, you wanna back away from the whole concept of God. LOL
And my point is this....if you start with an all-knowing God, then however He chose to do it was the "correct way". Doesn't matter what you think.

Originally Posted by The Chairman
I've said this before, but if you want to look at God as intelligent and loving, then evolution makes more sense than taking Creationism in a literal context. The idea that God would let his creations grow over time and adapt to their environment using a complex but well thought out process is very reassuring and fits more into the All Loving Creator portrayal of God.

Just in case you forgot what you said. :hehe:

[teseract]

Im with Huckabee...I dont believe in Evolution (Im Christian)
Fine, then explain to me following phenomenae:

-Why does protein from a T-Rex bone react to a virus that befalls birds?

-How can you explain Atavism?

-Why has Mitochondriae different RNA?

[The Chairman]

Evolution does not tell you to believe everything came from something or nothing. It is completely up to you to say God was behind it or it happened naturally. I do agree that nothing happens overnight without something triggering it beforehand, which is why I believe God was behind it all. But I do not agree that automatically wipes out evolution from being true, just as evolution doesn't wipe out any chance of God existing.

[teseract]

[/b]
Something never comes from nothing. Evolution expects you to accept that premise.

Funny, a christian should have no problem with exceptions to the concept of action and reaction considering that your god pretty much came form nothing too.

Besides you're on the wrong track again, Evolution has nothing to do with the formation of the Universe. You're confusing fields of study again.

Evolution=Biology

Cosmology =Physics and Astronomie

Oh and just so you get an idea about the odds:

scientific theories= roughly over 10,000 different findings that can only be explained by evolutionary processes.

religious theories= 0

Besides, Big Bang does not say "Things came from Nothing" that's once again you showing you have no idea how the model works. Even the Name "Big Bang" is misleading. It's not about an explosion.

[The Chairman]

You made the hypothesis about God fella.....not me.
I just took your comment and bended it on it's ear. :hehe: Now, you wanna back away from the whole concept of God. LOL
And my point is this....if you start with an all-knowing God, then however He chose to do it was the "correct way". Doesn't matter what you think.

You ignored my question:


HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW HE DID IT?

Were you there when He started it all? No. You know nothing. I never said I knew how God created us. I just said that I personally subscribed to the belief that God created us through the evolutionary process, and that belief made more sense to me than that of Creationism, and that the belief made God seem all the more loving and intelligent in my mind. I never once said "God created us through evolution and there's no way He did it through anything else." Your putting words in my mouth, and I'm not going to sit here and let you distort what I said. For all I know, evolution is a falsity and the evidence is all made up bull**** based around one big scientific conspiracy. But until you prove otherwise, I will continue to believe, as Mr. Sinatra said, My Way..

[Addendum]

[/B]


Based on what?? Because he does not subscribe to a "THEORY"?? Something not fully proven? You guys keep telling us to give you proof. But you still have not given us proof.:yay:

I think you are the intellectually lazy one. Something never comes from nothing. Evolution expects you to accept that premise.

I'm not the one making straw man arguments regarding evolution. You have.

Ergo, you being intellectually lazy.

[Bill]

No Bill...YOU don't get it! You have nothing but imaginative drawings and paintings of men who want to wish God away, like you. Some scientist found a tooth...."ONE TOOTH" on a farm in Nebraska back in the 20's and drew a picture around the tooth and it became this......

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:xtbsu2XO1o-YLM:http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/nebraska.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/nebraska.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/ape1.htm&h=424&w=345&sz=20&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=xtbsu2XO1o-YLM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNebraska%2Bman%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26r lz%3D1T4RNWN_enUS210US211%26sa%3DN)

All of that from one tooth???? Bill, if you found my tooth in a parking lot, could you make a sketch of me from that? Think for a minute...geeez!

By the way.....that tooth was found to belong to a pig!!!

This is a prime example of education by misinformation. First, read this (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_nebraska.html) to educate yourself on Nebraska Man. Then, don't use 80 year old poorly formed arguments to discuss a subject. Seriously, do you have any recent information?

[Bill]

And look...I know that "micro" evolution occurs in nature. Adaptions to environment etc..... That is a fact.

The stupid stuff is the "Macro" evolution you guys keep spoutin' off about. When you have one specices jumping to something totally different! Ape to Man..........Snake to Bird........etc......that's just plain looney.

Evolution doesn't propose either one of those ideas. So, you're right, just plain looney.

Let me ask you a serious question to which I'd like a serious answer: Where did you get your information on evolution from?

I know it's not from a science class, book, or even a website because I have yet to read one single objection, statement or phrase from your hand that might support the notion of your information being gleaned from a serious study of the subject.

I'm also curious as to why, after we repeatedly correct your mistakes on the subject, do you still repeat them? Are you afraid? Afraid that if you were forced to actually understand it you might have to accept what it says? I'm trying to understand it from your point of view here. I have discussed the subject with fundies for years now, and they react the same way. I never just straight out asked one why they still cling to the misinformation in light of the correct information being readily available to them in both electronic and book form.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Huckabee won't win. He's just spiting McCain.

[teseract]

Evolution doesn't propose either one of those ideas. So, you're right, just plain looney.

Let me ask you a serious question to which I'd like a serious answer: Where did you get your information on evolution from?

I know it's not from a science class, book, or even a website because I have yet to read one single objection, statement or phrase from your hand that might support the notion of your information being gleaned from a serious study of the subject.

I'm also curious as to why, after we repeatedly correct your mistakes on the subject, do you still repeat them? Are you afraid? Afraid that if you were forced to actually understand it you might have to accept what it says? I'm trying to understand it from your point of view here. I have discussed the subject with fundies for years now, and they react the same way. I never just straight out asked one why they still cling to the misinformation in light of the correct information being readily available to them in both electronic and book form.

I bet he's got it from an Intelligent Design page or some other similar ****ty source. Good thing Intelligent Design is pretty much proven to be non-scientific and absolutely false in every premise.

If one actually looks at nature and assumes a Designer one would come more to the conclusion that there isn't an "Intelligent Designer" but that there is more of an "Idiotic Designer" considering how absolutely absurd and suboptimal some of the so called "intelligent Designs" are.

[Bill]

I bet he's got it from an Intelligent Design page or some other similar ****ty source. Good thing Intelligent Design is pretty much proven to be non-scientific and absolutely false in every premise.

If one actually looks at nature and assumes a Designer one would come more to the conclusion that there isn't an "Intelligent Designer" but that there is more of an "Idiotic Designer" considering how absolutely absurd and suboptimal some of the so called "intelligent Designs" are.

I'm sure it was. I have heard some entertaining sermons by Pastors on the subject. And I'm not surprised that most religious people don't support Evolution after listening to those sermons. Unfortunately, nothing in those sermons actually resembles what science says about Evolution. The "man from ape" thing has been going around for years. I heard one remark, "I have nevah seen a cat give birth to a kangaroo." (Actual remark) that I thought summed up perfectly what most fundamentalist Christians "know" about evolution. I was thinking the whole time, "where do they get this stuff?"

But I have to wonder what would happen if they actually cracked open a science book and studied the subject.

[Addendum]

But I have to wonder what would happen if they actually cracked open a science book and studied the subject.

The same blank stare that you would get if you gave a copy of The Brothers Karamazov to a 3 year old.

Or their head would explode like that scene in Scanners

[teseract]

The same blank stare that you would get if you gave a copy of The Brothers Karamazov to a 3 year old.

Or their head would explode like that scene in Scanners

Welcome to Idiocracy, brought to you by stupid christian fundamentalists.

[Memphis Slim]

You ignored my question:


HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW HE DID IT?

Were you there when He started it all? No. You know nothing. I never said I knew how God created us. I just said that I personally subscribed to the belief that God created us through the evolutionary process, and that belief made more sense to me than that of Creationism, and that the belief made God seem all the more loving and intelligent in my mind. I never once said "God created us through evolution and there's no way He did it through anything else." Your putting words in my mouth, and I'm not going to sit here and let you distort what I said. For all I know, evolution is a falsity and the evidence is all made up bull**** based around one big scientific conspiracy. But until you prove otherwise, I will continue to believe, as Mr. Sinatra said, My Way..


That question has been answered for thousands of years. People like you choose to ignore it. The Bible tells us how God did it. He made man as an intelligent being from the start.....separate from the animals....in His own image.

[teseract]

That question has been answered for thousands of years. People like you choose to ignor it. The Bible tells us how God did it. He man man as an intelligent being from the start.....separate from the animals.
The Bible is not reliable, it's not scientific, it has no merrit. Its claims cannot be tested in an objective setting.

[Darkly Dexter]

I can't believe that some people keep reading the Bible as a history book...

[teseract]

I can't believe that some people keep reading the Bible as a history book...

Oh you can read it as a history book (however, if it is accurate is a totally different horse) but you can't read it as a science book because that's not what the Bible concerns itself with. It's chokefull of scientifically wrong claims about biology, astronomy and so on and so on.

[Bill]

That question has been answered for thousands of years. People like you choose to ignor it. The Bible tells us how God did it. He man man as an intelligent being from the start.....separate from the animals.

I see, as usual, you didn't answer my question.

[Memphis Slim]

The Bible is not reliable, it's not scientific, it has no merrit. Its claims cannot be tested in an objective setting.


And what do you base that on?

[Memphis Slim]

I can't believe that some people keep reading the Bible as a history book...


History and archeology corroborate the Bible. Surely you knew that.

[Addendum]

Even though there is no historical or archaeological evidence for the "Tower of Babel", "Noah's Ark", for the Hebrews being slaves in Ancient Egpyt, for the 10 plagues, for the crossing of the Red Sea, for an earthquake and the "rising of the dead" during a week of Passover in the first century CE, to name a few biblical accounts.

Aside from the bible, there is no outside evidence to support these claims.

[SuBe]

Even though there is no historical or archaeological evidence for the "Tower of Babel", "Noah's Ark", for the Hebrews being slaves in Ancient Egpyt, for the 10 plagues, for the crossing of the Red Sea, for an earthquake and the "rising of the dead" during a week of Passover in the first century CE, to name a few biblical accounts.

Aside from the bible, there is no outside evidence to support these claims.
Actually, I saw a show on History Channel or Discovery Channel once, it had talked about Ancient Egyptian History lining up to the Biblical Account of Moses freeing the Hebrews, it was the only thing they discussed, not the others you mentioned, but the Slave thing did happen. I believe that if more than on Culture shows it as truth, it probably is.

[Memphis Slim]

Even though there is no historical or archaeological evidence for the "Tower of Babel", "Noah's Ark", for the Hebrews being slaves in Ancient Egpyt, for the 10 plagues, for the crossing of the Red Sea, for an earthquake and the "rising of the dead" during a week of Passover in the first century CE, to name a few biblical accounts.

Aside from the bible, there is no outside evidence to support these claims.


Do you honestly think the Eygptians would record such an embarrassing momnet in their proud history??

[Memphis Slim]

Even though there is no historical or archaeological evidence for the "Tower of Babel", "Noah's Ark", for the Hebrews being slaves in Ancient Egpyt, for the 10 plagues, for the crossing of the Red Sea, for an earthquake and the "rising of the dead" during a week of Passover in the first century CE, to name a few biblical accounts.

Aside from the bible, there is no outside evidence to support these claims.


Here are some examples:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/eblatab1.jpg

The discovery of the Ebla archive in northern Syria (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/syria.html) in the 1970s has shown the Biblical writings concerning the Patriarchs (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/patriarch.html) to be viable. Documents written on clay (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/clay.html) tablets (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/tablet.html) from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine. The name “Canaan (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/canaan.html)” was in use in Ebla, a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible. The word tehom (“the deep”) in Genesis 1:2 (http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/gen1.html#2) was said to be a late word demonstrating the late writing of the creation story. “Tehom” was part of the vocabulary at Ebla, in use some 800 years before Moses (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/moses.html). Ancient customs reflected in the stories of the Patriarchs (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/patriarch.html) have also been found in clay (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/clay.html) tablets (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/tablet.html) from Nuzi and Mari.
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The Hittites (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/hittites.html) were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/turkey.html). Now you can get a degree in Hittite studies at the Univ of Chicago.
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Many thought the Biblical references to Solomon's (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/solomon.html) wealth were greatly exaggerated. Recovered records from the past show that wealth in antiquity was concentrated with the king (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/king.html) and Solomon's (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/solomon.html) prosperity was entirely feasible.
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It was once claimed there was no Assyrian (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/assyria.html)king (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/king.html) named Sargon (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/sargon.html) as recorded in Isaiah 20:1 (http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/isa20.html#1), because this name was not known in any other record. Then, Sargon's palace (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/palace.html) was discovered in Khorsabad, Iraq. The very event mentioned in Isaiah 20 (http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/isa20.html), his capture of Ashdod (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/ashdod.html), was recorded on the palace walls. What is more, fragments of a stela memorializing the victory were found at Ashdod itself.
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Another king (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/king.html) who was in doubt was Belshazzar (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/belshazzar.html), king of Babylon (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/babylonkingdomof.html), named in Daniel 5 (http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/dan5.html). The last king of Babylon was Nabonidus according to recorded history. Tablets (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/tablet.html) were found showing that Belshazzar (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/belshazzar.html) was Nabonidus' son who served as coregent in Babylon. Thus, Belshazzar could offer to make Daniel (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/daniel.html) “third highest ruler in the kingdom” (Dan. 5:16 (http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/dan5.html#16)) for reading the handwriting (http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/handwriting.html) on the wall, the highest available position. Here we see the “eye-witness” nature of the Biblical record, as is so often brought out by the discoveries of archaeology.

[Addendum]

And nothing I mentioned specifically was rebutted :dry: