BND Sales

[Hobgoblin]

This isnt meant as a bashing thread, lets say that right off the bat. I'm just curious how sales look so far at everyone's comic shops. Granted part 2 just came out today but how many books from last week are still around? I saw lots of part 1 still around, but I dont know if that means people are staying away. If anyone can post sales figures when they come out, this would be the place to do it.

Also, feel free to post comments on conversations overheard at the store regarding BND. My store owner said he likes it the more he explans it to shoppers. The guy he was helping seemed to like it too.

I only bought Spider-Girl. :o

[Themanofbat]

I know that some of the local stores here ordered extra copies to get the 1:20 variant as well as the 1:100 variant.

[Hobgoblin]

Really? What do the variants look like?

[CaptainStacy]

The only thing left at my shop is the two varients...the sketchbook, and the Times Square cover.

I think i might pick up the Times Square varient next week if it's still there. (they're asking $25.00)...

[Joker]

there's literally 25-30 copies of the first issue left at my store, and that's just what's on the shelf...

[shin_en]

^ same at the LCS near my work

[Sloth7d]

When I went to my comic shop 2 weeks ago, everyone was joking about putting a sign up that saids don't buy it. There were about 15-20 issues on the shelf, and even the store owner wasn't hard pressed to convince me to get it. I asked him if I should give it a shot anyway and if I was being too close minded, because with comics this guy never leads me wrong, he hesitated and changed the subject.
Just a few days ago, I went there again to pick up Thor #5. Still about 15-18 copies on the shelf.

[Themanofbat]

The only thing left at my shop is the two varients...the sketchbook, and the Times Square cover.

I think i might pick up the Times Square varient next week if it's still there. (they're asking $25.00)...

I got mine for $12.95 Cdn... which is about $25.00 US funds... :woot: :woot: :woot:

:csad:

[Eternalzero]

Regarding Variant Covers...

Do subscription owners get them? Do they request them?

You say 1:100 and 1:20, does that ratio still apply to subscribers?

F*** Marvel if they don't offer those to their subscribers, who already put the money down consistently.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm not quite sure how many of the first or second Issues of BND there are left. Less than 15 I think though.

[iloveclones]

When the first issue of BND came out, on my way to the shop, I saw a guy reading it, walking down the sidewalk. So the interest was definately there. There were no comics left on the shelf, or in the bins, and the guys said that they had sold out.

With Part 2, well, that might be a different story. While I was in line, a guy asked to take Amazing off of his pull list. The LCBS guy laughed, and told him he wasn't the first, that quite a few guys did the same. So will the boycotters have their say? I guess we'll see what's on the rack next week. There were a lot on the rack, but I go pretty early, and there were a lot last week at that time also.

[Eternalzero]

When the first issue of BND came out, on my way to the shop, I saw a guy reading it, walking down the sidewalk. So the interest was definately there. There were no comics left on the shelf, or in the bins, and the guys said that they had sold out.

With Part 2, well, that might be a different story. While I was in line, a guy asked to take Amazing off of his pull list. The LCBS guy laughed, and told him he wasn't the first, that quite a few guys did the same. So will the boycotters have their say? I guess we'll see what's on the rack next week. There were a lot on the rack, but I go pretty early, and there were a lot last week at that time also.


At 3 times a month, that is honestly a lot of money on f-ing money on comic books. BND sales will not help spidey I do not think.

Can anyone answer my question regarding variant covers and subscriptions a couple of posts up?

[Infidel]

They've got plenty at my shop. They can't seem to get rid of 'em. Ultimates 3 sold out immediatly, but ...

good lord, this is bad. Who's idea was the last two years of this?

[Spider-Gnome]

I frequent two comic shops.

I asked one what the sales were for Spider-Man. He said good, unfortunately. Note he said it, I wasn't editorializing it.

When I went to the other comic shop, which I have been going to for over 20 years, I asked the owner how the reaction to Spider-Man was. He just laughed and shook his head. He said you would not believe how bad the reaction has been. He said he's had people who normally don't say anything complain. He said it's not the usual crazed guy on the internet this time. It's more your average joes (I don't mean Joe Q, though :cwink:). He also, said the sales were about what they were for an average Spider-Man. For the record, he also hates what happened, Pete making a deal with the devil being his main bone of contention. But, he does like the art and stories in BND.

[Dangerous]

Man, I hope the sales figures are crappy.

[farmernudie]

^Me too....i want to get back to a Spidey with non-altered continuity and with his rich history and supporting cast.

(not to mention, MJ...portrayed smartly...)

[roni14]

Part 2 sold out in 2 days at my comic shop.

[Dark Spidey]

The only thing left at my shop is the two varients...the sketchbook, and the Times Square cover.

I think i might pick up the Times Square varient next week if it's still there. (they're asking $25.00)...

I picked up the regular (x2) and Hitch covers. The later costing about $14.00 at the time.

Briefly considered getting the Sketch cover too. But at £49.00, so that's about $98.00!, it was just a little out of my budget!!

[CaptainStacy]

I picked up the regular (x2) and Hitch covers. The later costing about $14.00 at the time.

Briefly considered getting the Sketch cover too. But at £49.00, so that's about $98.00!, it was just a little out of my budget!!

They want $125.00 at my shop. :wow:

No way im paying that. I guess im cheap; i'd only pay that (and more) for Ditko or Romita Sr.,...:yay:

[Dark Spidey]

They want $125.00 at my shop. :wow:

No way im paying that. I guess im cheap; i'd only pay that (and more) for Ditko or Romita Sr.,...:yay:

Did you know there's a Romita Sr variant cover on it's way? :yay:

[CaptainStacy]

Did you know there's a Romita Sr variant cover on it's way? :yay:

Are you kidding me?

[Dark Spidey]

Are you kidding me?

No! Not a variant of ASM #546. I think it's one of next months issues! :word:

[Themanofbat]

Two of the three shops I have in town (population 125 000 :wow: ) ordered the sketchbook cover for people that asked for it, and I think they were charging a minimum of $100... they weren't sure how to price it when I asked.

[Dark Spidey]

Here's the link. It's a variant of ASM #549!

http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/p-C109168.html

[Themanofbat]

That's a sweet pic... :word: :word: :word:

[Dark Spidey]

That's a sweet pic... :word: :word: :word:

It really is. Initially when I had first saw it I thought I prefered the Daredevil cover he did last year (love that cover!).

But the more I look at this new ASM cover the more I want it! It's very cool. I love the angle of Spidey's pose. John Romita really is the master. :word:

I NEED the next ASM Omnibus now. :csad: ... :woot:

[Donald Thomas]

Two of the three shops I have in town (population 125 000 :wow: ) ordered the sketchbook cover for people that asked for it, and I think they were charging a minimum of $100... they weren't sure how to price it when I asked.

Aloha,
They're going for about $75 on ebay as we speak.
Spidey rules

[Donald Thomas]

They want $125.00 at my shop. :wow:

No way im paying that. I guess im cheap; i'd only pay that (and more) for Ditko or Romita Sr.,...:yay:

Aloha,
I agree. I've bid on a few but once they go past $60 bucks, I'm very hesitant. Of course I bought all the other variants:cwink:
Spidey rules

[Jack O Lantern]

I went to mine the day after it came out and it was sold out on both issues. From now on I'm paying a week in advance to make sure I get it.

[ragingdemon155]

The sales of these issues are confusing me.

Some people are saying that their shops have it sold out and yet others are saying that there are stacks of the issue left.

I only travel to Midtowncomics and I know for a fact that they have stacks left of both issues.

[Visionary]

It's like crowd reactions at the movies, when it's a movie people hate/love they claim the crowd response is the same way. It's never different from their own. How about someone get some real sales stats.

[Themanofbat]

The thing is that due to the 1:100 & 1:20 variants, a lot of shops may have extras due to overordering to get those books, and Marvel has probably printed a LOT in case this took off, and retailers ordered as such.

There are stacks at the 3 shops in my town, but I also know that only ONE person has asked to have ASM removed from their pull list.

:yay:

[farmernudie]

Well, luckily there is lots of young kids that will be piling into the stores to start reading a new SINGLE spidey as soon as they hear the news that he finally ditched his wife with satan's help. :cwink:

[moraldeficiency]

There were 24 of the first issue still at Tate's (South Florida) on Friday and the second was full in three different sections, so it's doing very crappily where I'm at.

As for interest I saw one guy pick it up, flip though it, comment on the art then put it down. Another guy did buy it, but it turned out he was mentally retarded and shopping with his mother (seriously).

[Doc Destruction]

Just remember not to punish Slott for this crap. Buy A:TI, and hell two issues if you want to make a statement.

[Eternalzero]

Regarding Variant Covers...

Do subscription owners get them? Do they request them?

You say 1:100 and 1:20, does that ratio still apply to subscribers?

[Themanofbat]

Regarding Variant Covers...

Do subscription owners get them? Do they request them?

You say 1:100 and 1:20, does that ratio still apply to subscribers?

I think subscription buyers get the regular covers...

Though if you have 20 subs to the same comic, you'll get the 1:20 variant. :yay:

:csad:

[Arkady Rossovich]

I hope the comic does poorly,i'm sorry Lee and Ditko. But Spider-Man has fallen..

[Jack O Lantern]

I went to mine the day after it came out and it was sold out on both issues. From now on I'm paying a week in advance to make sure I get it.

So i went to a different shop in the city I go to Uni in and they have good few left

[farmernudie]

The one quite far from here, still had plenty of everything.

I think it just depends on the area and stuff.

Plus, i think they're ordering a lot to start with, so they're prolly sell alot but have a bunch left out too.

The thing is, with it 3X, i would surmise that sale at first be pretty good, and they'll callit a success (regardless) but as creative arc teams change and the fact that it's getting pumped out 3X, the financial aspect is gonna kick in for some people buying it currently out of more curiosity.

[Miss Webb]

This isnt meant as a bashing thread, lets say that right off the bat. I'm just curious how sales look so far at everyone's comic shops. Granted part 2 just came out today but how many books from last week are still around? I saw lots of part 1 still around, but I dont know if that means people are staying away. If anyone can post sales figures when they come out, this would be the place to do it.

Also, feel free to post comments on conversations overheard at the store regarding BND. My store owner said he likes it the more he explans it to shoppers. The guy he was helping seemed to like it too.

I only bought Spider-Girl. :o


Your store owner is a jellyfish. Just like all the other jellyfish washing up on shores everywhere!

At my store there's mixed reaction so far. People aren't cancelling, but they don't seem to be buying from their boxes either. I suspect they're into the 'collector' bit. Probably waiting to see how it turns out. If they eventually decide to buy the number of sales will be inflated, of course. Joey Q will be pleased, puffing and huffing about the book's popularity.

[Dangerous]

Swung by my lcs today in my lunch break, **** load of ASM#547's left over from last week, and ASM normally sells out in this store.

Lookin good from where I'm standing.

Ill get round to reading #547 & 548 tmr.

[kainedamo]

When the hell are we gonna get some accurate sales figures?? :cmad:

[iloveclones]

I doubt the sales figures are going to tell you much until the shops stop over-ordering. My shop also had a ton of pts I and II.

[farmernudie]

Yeh, and as history shows, there will be more and more left on the shelf as we get farther from the relaunch.

Especially as many in this particular case, even more, won't be paying out 3X....or various "arcs".

(Not mentioning all the fans they've lost with this, in order to pick up the kiddies.)

[kainedamo]

So are we talking... probably months and months and months before we know for sure whether or not the BND project was a failure or a success? :csad:

[Themanofbat]

So are we talking... probably months and months and months before we know for sure whether or not the BND project was a failure or a success? :csad:

I think it takes at least a month, possibly two, before a month's sales figures are tabulated and released... so we should know about BND's January sales figures by the end of next month, or sometime in March.

:huh: :huh: :huh:

[iloveclones]

Probably. Depends on how you measure success.

In terms of sales, I think there will be a dropoff, but it won't show until shops learn what level to order. Maybe a month or so.

In terms of quality, well, that's subjective, and I like to think that quality will always win out. But with something this controversial, all bets are off. You could be writing the second Watchmen, and people will not buy it because of their viewpoint.

In my eyes, it's a success because I like what I'm reading. That's the only number that counts to me.

[kainedamo]

I think it takes at least a month, possibly two, before a month's sales figures are tabulated and released... so we should know about BND's January sales figures by the end of next month, or sometime in March.

:huh: :huh: :huh:

No, January's sales alone won't be an accurate counter for the success of BND.

People are always gonna jump aboard a book when it takes a massive new direction.

The question is, what will sales figures be like into the middle of the year?

[Themanofbat]

The question is, what will sales figures be like into the middle of the year?

If you're wondering about June and/or July's sales figures, then you'll have to wait for Aug/Sept and possibly October.

Comic Book retailers order their books about 3 months before release, so June's orders will be made by late March, and late April for July's...

In all honesty, when those orders are made, people will still be talking about BND, and sales orders may still be affected in March & April.

You'd want to see how many books retailers are ordering around July, which would be relective of September's releases, which we would only know in either October or November.

By year's end, we'll know whether BND will be successful in the long run.

[Donald Thomas]

Aloha,
Just saw an announcement at Wizardworld that the first issue of BND sold out. No details regarding sales numbers for comparison.
Spidey rules

[farmernudie]

TMOB: By year's end, we'll know whether BND will be successful in the long run


Oy...it's gonna be hard to wait SO long...i want good spidey stories again...it stinks they took spidey away from fans, and forced an alternate one or nothing at all.

:csad:

[moraldeficiency]

Oy...it's gonna be hard to wait SO long...i want good spidey stories again...it stinks they took spidey away from fans, and forced an alternate one or nothing at all.

:csad:

It's cool, don't worry it's hard on a lot of people. But look at it this way there's a ton of other good books out right now, there's ASG for your bug fix and there's got to be countless back issues and stories you haven't read or didn't remember. Catch up a bit, read the Spider-Man we all know and love, and before you're through (if we've been strong and maintained) this will all just become a bad dream like the clone saga.

[farmernudie]

Hope it is a bad dream and ends soon.

I mean, a new reality caused by Pete and Satan is not my thing. Nor does Pete and satan creating thus new world make a good foundation for "great classic spidey stories". Just can't bring myself to pretend THAT concept, of Pete dealing with Satan, ...good.

[Eye Doc]

I retailer friend of mine just told me that sales are down on AMZ in his store. I remember he told me once that his store ranked in the top 10 percentile in Marvel sales on the east coast.

This week told me that 80% of his AMZ copies are usually sold during the 1st week on the stand. The next week he'll sale about 17%. Only 3% of sales on AMZ occur outside of the 2 week window.

Since the start of BND his sales have dropped dramatically.

He sold a 100 copies of AMZ #542, the first issue of OMD.

Issue #546, the first issue of BND has sold 58 copies after 3 weeks
Issue #547 has sold 48 copies after 2 weeks,
Iissue #548 has sold 32 copies after 1 week.

My friend even told me that he's noticed a drop in sales on some other Marvel titles.

I don't know how this compares to other stores and regions of the country. However, if other retailers start reporting similiar sales declines, Marvel can't help but be concerned.

[shinlyle]

Well, if anyone is hunting down parts 1-3 of BND, or the last 2 parts of OMD, you can go to Foundation's Edge in Raleigh....they have a TON of copies left. I was honestly shocked to see that many of part one of BND still on the rack. First Printing, too.

I know my LCS isn't a consensus of what is happening at every Comic Shop across the country, but it's still pretty bad. They couldn't keep "War at Home" and "Back in Black" on the shelf.

[Dangerous]

My lcs has lots of spares each week too.
Unusual for ASM which usually sells out.

[Hobgoblin]

It seems like my store has a lot of copies left over too, but I dont know what that means exactly. For all I know they just ordered a lot of copies. I asked the guy behind the desk how BND's sales have been going and all he said was "It's going."

[Arkady Rossovich]

It looks like in some places the first issue is selling,just for the idea of having something valueable. But i'm with Dangerious,the numbers will fall.

[Sloth7d]

It's sad. I probably would have ened up supporting BND if not for Mesphito and Peter making deals with the devil. Oh and Harrys ressurrection.
If they wanted to kill the marriage, why not stick with that? (Even though it was never a problem in the first place). Why go this far?
Yeah, hopefully sales will fall, and this nightmare will be retconned away.

[UltimateJustin]

Hopefully sales will continue to decrease and Joey Q will get a disease or lose his family.

[Themanofbat]

It's sad. I probably would have ened up supporting BND if not for Mesphito and Peter making deals with the devil. Oh and Harrys ressurrection.
If they wanted to kill the marriage, why not stick with that? (Even though it was never a problem in the first place). Why go this far?
Yeah, hopefully sales will fall, and this nightmare will be retconned away.

Hopefully, sales will rise and we'll continue to have access to the great Spidey writing as opposed to the boredom that was Spider-Man (with a few exceptions) during the last many years.

Hopefully sales will continue to decrease and Joey Q will get a disease or lose his family.

Hopefully, you can gain some level of maturity and get some perspective. :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

[Brand]

Hopefully sales will continue to decrease and Joey Q will get a disease or lose his family.

Look, I understand the need to vent - I'm as upset about OMD/BND as anyone - but there's really no need to wish sickness or death on people over a comic book. I could maybe see wishing for JQ to get a computer virus that deletes all his porn or something, but don't call for his family to keel over. That's just wrong. If you're that upset over a fictional character, that's when you know it's time for a break.

[Themanofbat]

Look, I understand the need to vent - I'm as upset about OMD/BND as anyone - but there's really no need to wish sickness or death on people over a comic book. I could maybe see wishing for JQ to get a computer virus that deletes all his porn or something, but don't call for his family to keel over. That's just wrong. If you're that upset over a fictional character, that's when you know it's time for a break.

Exactly...

[Sloth7d]

Hopefully, sales will rise and we'll continue to have access to the great Spidey writing as opposed to the boredom that was Spider-Man (with a few exceptions) during the last many years.



You DO realize the first three issues we've seen so far could have been told with the Spider-man we've had for many years now. I do hope you you realize that.

[CaptainStacy]

You DO realize the first three issues we've seen so far could have been told with the Spider-man we've had for many years now. I do hope you you realize that.

Thank God they werent! I've had enough weird power, face-eating, stinger stabbing, i.d. revealing wimpy-assed Spider-Man the past three years or so to last me a lifetime.

After years of mediocrity, I feel like i'm reading the REAL Spider-Man now. :word:

[Sloth7d]

Thank God they werent! I've had enough weird power, face-eating, stinger stabbing, i.d. revealing wimpy-assed Spider-Man the past three years or so to last me a lifetime.

After years of mediocrity, I feel like i'm reading the REAL Spider-Man now. :word:

But SMino making deals with the devil is better? I just don't understand the point here.
What I'm saying is, we could have done without ALL of those crappy stories. Put Slott on the book without senseless retcons or continuity errors, and still get the product we have today.
Everything that's been told in this story could have been told before if they wanted to.

[Themanofbat]

You DO realize the first three issues we've seen so far could have been told with the Spider-man we've had for many years now. I do hope you you realize that.

Thank God they werent! I've had enough weird power, face-eating, stinger stabbing, i.d. revealing wimpy-assed Spider-Man the past three years or so to last me a lifetime.

After years of mediocrity, I feel like i'm reading the REAL Spider-Man now. :word:

But SMino making deals with the devil is better? I just don't understand the point here.
What I'm saying is, we could have done without ALL of those crappy stories. Put Slott on the book without senseless retcons or continuity errors, and still get the product we have today.
Everything that's been told in this story could have been told before if they wanted to.

You're right... it could have been done with the old status quo... but the powers that be decided to go another route, and I for one, am enjoying it tremendously... as the good Captain said... after years of mediocre Spider-Man, I feel like I'm reading the REAL Spdier-Man once again.

:word: :word: :word:

:yay:

[Sloth7d]

Yet you're still not outraged by how pointless this was? That it didn't need to be taken this far? That they didn't have to make Spider-man act extremely out of character. Make him deal with the Devil and turn him into the amazing SMino? I'm sorry, well actually I'm not, but that's not the Spider-man I read about. I'll start reading again, once the real Spider-man shows up and kicks this ones ass.

[Themanofbat]

Yet you're still not outraged by how pointless this was? That it didn't need to be taken this far? That they didn't have to make Spider-man act extremely out of character. Make him deal with the Devil and turn him into the amazing SMino? I'm sorry, well actually I'm not, but that's not the Spider-man I read about. I'll start reading again, once the real Spider-man shows up and kicks this ones ass.

Of course I was outraged... OMD sucked major league donkey balls and seemed very pointless, especially the Harry ressurection... and the Peter I have been reading for the last little while has very much been acting in character, especially considering the confines of the story... and even in the very terrible OMD... Peter did not want to deal with Mephisto until his wife encouraged him to do so... that their love will find a way, and he begrudgingly accepts... you can see it on his face... he didn't want to do it... sounds like the Peter Parker I've been reading about for 33 + years... a man who can make bad decisions and terrible choices... and you can boycott the comics and refer to him as SMino all you want... but what I'm reading in ASM now is 100% pure Spider-Man gold...

He's back... the REAL Spider-Man is BACK... and I hope he's here to stay. :up:

:yay:

[Sloth7d]

Of course I was outraged... OMD sucked major league donkey balls and seemed very pointless, especially the Harry ressurection... and the Peter I have been reading for the last little while has very much been acting in character, especially considering the confines of the story... and even in the very terrible OMD... Peter did not want to deal with Mephisto until his wife encouraged him to do so... that their love will find a way, and he begrudgingly accepts... you can see it on his face... he didn't want to do it... sounds like the Peter Parker I've been reading about for 33 + years... a man who can make bad decisions and terrible choices... and you can boycott the comics and refer to him as SMino all you want... but what I'm reading in ASM now is 100% pure Spider-Man gold...

He's back... the REAL Spider-Man is BACK... and I hope he's here to stay. :up:

:yay:

No. The real Spider-man would never make a deal with the devil no matter what MJ says. He wouldn't even consider it for a second. For starters he's not an idiot. He's hung around Ghost Rider and other characters who's dealt with Mesphito before and knows you can't trust the devil. Especially not to save his Aunts life. Especially after his Aunt told him to let her go when Madame Web let him talk to her. Especially while he knows his Aunt May is a christian and would never want to be saved by the devil. To her, that would be worse than letting her die. Especially while knowing she would never ask him to trade his marriage and happiness for her life. No. This guy was nothing like the Spider-man I knew. You can say he is, but his actions don't compute or add up with the original. Sorry, this is Spider-Man, yes, but only in name only.
We've discussed this before, and neither one of us budged from our stand point of it. So let's just agree to disagree. You like reading about a Spider-man who makes deals with Satan. I don't. I guess that's all their is to it.

[Dangerous]

Such a weird and bitter predicament. As TMOB noted the last 3 issues of Spidey were awesome and very fun to read, save for Peter living in Forrest Hills and Harry being alive,- it WAS Spider-Man gold.

What's REALLY pisses me off, along with the rest of ya, is that we could have had this great return to form and the hot creators could have been telling these exact stories without what happened in OMD and without Harry being resurrected.

What can ya do?

ASM finally returns to form but at the cost of the biggest ever continuity reset. My choice is to read but not buy.

[CaptainStacy]

But SMino making deals with the devil is better? I just don't understand the point here.
What I'm saying is, we could have done without ALL of those crappy stories. Put Slott on the book without senseless retcons or continuity errors, and still get the product we have today.
Everything that's been told in this story could have been told before if they wanted to.

Ok fine. What's your point? The fact is; This is where we're at today, right here and now. Either deal with it, or remain bitter and dont.

But dont freak out on those of us who've decided to check it out, and are enjoying it as it is. :yay:

[moraldeficiency]

^this is why the clone saga dragged for so long. That's why we're bitter. It's cool that you like it, but you're gonna get called out every time because of it. That's where you're at today, here and now, crossing the picket lines. Either accept it, or remain bitter and don't.

[spider greg]

I'd be curious to see how many people would change their tune if they used the same method in OMD to restore the marriage. :cwink:

[moraldeficiency]

Good question. Can two crappy explanations cancel each other out? Well if the devil popped back up and undid everything, I would think it's a retard explanation, but like I did with the clone saga I'd go back to reading. I mean at least there's symmetry in treating these "new" readers and SOS supporters like they have been treating us for the past two-three years.

Plus I'm not reading currently so when they do bring it all back this will be like the clone saga in my mind, just some crazy @hit that didn't really happen in my mind. Then I could go out and buy the trades and see what this alternate spidey story was all about.

Though if I had a vote I'd go with a confrontation where Pete finds out what an ******* he was, realizes his soul is in mortal peril, and has to team up with some of his friends(because he's in way over his head) like the good doctor to try and fix the mess he's in. In the end May would be dead, and there'd be a touching funeral with the NA attending along with a @rapload of other people her life had touched. Pete, May and either Jarvis (or Otto actually, that would be cool) would make some speeches and it would be very touching.

[Themanofbat]

No. The real Spider-man would never make a deal with the devil no matter what MJ says. He wouldn't even consider it for a second. For starters he's not an idiot. He's hung around Ghost Rider and other characters who's dealt with Mesphito before and knows you can't trust the devil. Especially not to save his Aunts life. Especially after his Aunt told him to let her go when Madame Web let him talk to her. Especially while he knows his Aunt May is a christian and would never want to be saved by the devil. To her, that would be worse than letting her die. Especially while knowing she would never ask him to trade his marriage and happiness for her life. No. This guy was nothing like the Spider-man I knew. You can say he is, but his actions don't compute or add up with the original. Sorry, this is Spider-Man, yes, but only in name only.
We've discussed this before, and neither one of us budged from our stand point of it. So let's just agree to disagree. You like reading about a Spider-man who makes deals with Satan. I don't. I guess that's all their is to it.

Sure... I can agree to disagree, but I'll take minor offense to the "I like to read about a Spider-Man who makes deals with Satan"...

As mentioned in my previous post, I obviously DID NOT LIKE IT!!!!

But there have been MANY things in Spider-Lore that have occured in my 33 + years of reading that I did not like... OMD being one of the biggest ones.

Peter Parker is not perfect and is prone to making bad choices and bad decisions... and the powers at Marvel Comics Inc. decided that this was the option that they wanted to go... I wouldn't have done that, but it's THEIR character, not mine nor yours, and this is the direction that they wanted to go. And despite the terrible story that OMD, Brand New Day seems like a shining star with brilliant scripts and a real old school Spidey feel in this new millenium.

I like it, and I'll be happy to accept the fact that you do not.

However, it IS Spider-Man... and by claiming that it's "Spider-Man in Name Only", you're telling me that you're the bigger Spider-Man fan and you obviously know the Spider-Man character better than I do, because in YOUR OPINION, this is merely a Spider-Man in Name Only... and I resent the fact that you think you're a bigger and better Spider-Man fan than I am because I have never made that claim... we're all Spider-Man fans, regardless of how long we've been reading the books or how many Spidey comics we have in our collections... I could easily throw the "I'm a bigger fan than you card", but that would be insulting and not very tactful...

Thanks for NOT showing me the same respect. :whatever:

Have a nice day.

[CaptainStacy]

^this is why the clone saga dragged for so long. That's why we're bitter. It's cool that you like it, but you're gonna get called out every time because of it. That's where you're at today, here and now, crossing the picket lines. Either accept it, or remain bitter and don't.

Oh, i acept it just fine. In fact im laughing my ass off at all you crybabies. :woot:

When you're not boring me to tears that is. :hehe:

[moraldeficiency]

Oh, i acept it just fine. In fact im laughing my ass off at all you crybabies. :woot:

When you're not boring me to tears that is. :hehe:

Oldly enough, that's exactely how us purists who expect to be treated with respect feel about you scabs.

[CaptainStacy]

Oldly enough, that's exactely how us purists who expect to be treated with respect feel about you scabs.

One man's purist is another man's fascist. :yay:

[moraldeficiency]

and one man's fan is another man's scab.

[CaptainStacy]

Blah, Blah, Whine, Whine, Boo Hoo

:yay:

[moraldeficiency]

And that's why I'm glad I'm not with you on the argument. It really feels like kids (scabs) on one side (with a few exceptions) and adults with sense on the other (with a few exceptions).

I mean you're whining about people whining. Do you realize how that comes across? If you were actually above the matter and loving life so much you wouldn't comment other than to say how sorry you felt other spider-fans weren't loving this great new book. Instead you come on to whine. And not only that, but to explain how you don't like other people @itching on the other side.

[CaptainStacy]

And that's why I'm glad I'm not with you on the argument. It really feels like kids (scabs) on one side (with a few exceptions) and adults with sense on the other (with a few exceptions).

I mean you're whining about people whining. Do you realize how that comes across? If you were actually above the matter and loving life so much you wouldn't comment other than to say how sorry you felt other spider-fans weren't loving this great new book. Instead you come on to whine. And not only that, but to explain how you don't like other people @itching on the other side.

Wow. Someone calling people names over a comic book is actually accusing others of acting like "kids". :whatever:


Have a nice day. :yay:

[Captivated]

I'm not whining... I'm MAD. :mad:

I love Spider-Man... I've read VOLUMES of back issues because I wanted to know his WHOLE story, I have a large collection of comics, and merchandise too... especially for someone who has been a fan for just 4 years.

I've put up with the sometimes distasteful and stupid developments (you all know what I am talking about), hoping something better was around the corner... but OMD was a "deal killer" on SO MANY levels...

1.) The PERMANENT loss of the marriage... this alone would have done it for me.

2.) The unbelievably STUPID and out-of-character decision to DEAL with the DEVIL... I don't care how desperately they tried to build it up and spin it... Peter LOVED Mary Jane way too much...

See... the thing I liked about Peter WAS that no matter how he was abused and tempted, he would usually WIN his struggle with insurmountable problems and odds in the end. If he was really IN CHARACTER he would have MANNED UP and realized he was being SELFISH by holding onto May in a way she would DETEST... she would NOT want him to sacrifice his VOWS and LOVE for MJ... or turn his life (and hers) over to the manipulations of SATAN.

3.) The complete MESS they have made of continuity. NOTHING is certain. 20 years of rich history has been FLUSHED.

They can SAY "most" everything happened the way it was written, but how STUPID do they think we are?! With all they have changed, that is IMPOSSIBLE. Peter's history can now be rewritten, willy-nilly, with no explanation needed. It's just the devil's magic...

4.) JQ telling people that the stories with Peter and MJ happened... they just WEREN'T MARRIED... essentially turning romantic moments into IMMORAL ones!! (At least for some of us.) Yeah, what a great role model for kids. NOT. WHY would he want to ALIENATE a chunk of the fan base like that?!

The feeling I'm left with... is that the stories being told NOW... after Peter awakes, as if from a "dream," are FAKE. His world is not just OFF... it's WRONG.

I can't read or support this...

If I had known such a complete cluster f*** was even possible... I would have never started reading in the first place. I WISH I had known... I could have SAVED so much money.

But I love the character and KNOW that if enough pressure is applied, things can CHANGE.

[Blader5489]

^this is why the clone saga dragged for so long.

Actually, the Clone Saga dragged on for so long because of marketing influence and writer's block.

[iloveclones]

I'd be curious to see how many people would change their tune if they used the same method in OMD to restore the marriage. :cwink:

Of course they would. Because now, it's bad and lazy writing pursuing an agenda. If they reversed it in the exact same way, it would be considered a "necessary evil" to get back to the one, true shining light in the universe: The Marriage of MJ and Pete, without which all life is rendered meaningless.

[moraldeficiency]

Actually, the Clone Saga dragged on for so long because of marketing influence and writer's block.

End of the day enough people drop the book and they wouldn't give a damn about marketing and new writers would have been hired. Sales are the only trend a company (especially a big one like marvel basically run by suits) really cares about. Too many people didn't give the book up, so it just kept going.

[stillanerd]

Of course they would. Because now, it's bad and lazy writing pursuing an agenda. If they reversed it in the exact same way, it would be considered a "necessary evil" to get back to the one, true shining light in the universe: The Marriage of MJ and Pete, without which all life is rendered meaningless.

Actually, in my case, I'd laugh because it would once again prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Marvel is sending the message that folks shouldn't bother investing their time and money in their comic books because, at the end of the day, nothing they do will ever stick. After all, we were told that Sins Past would offer two new villains to Spidey's rogues gallery that would last for years. The Stacy Twins only were referenced ONCE outside that story and quickly forgotten about by Marvel. "The Other" was supposed to involve permanent changes to Spider-Man. Instead, those new powers were barely explored or featured at all. We were told that the "Unmasking" would create dozens of story possibilities and there would be no easy way out. It barely lasted for a year and a half before it was magically done away with thanks to One More Day. Now Joe Q is saying that Brand New Day is here to stay and that there is no back door built in--this despite the fact that he even said that Mephisto lies when it comes to deals and that whatever MJ whispered to Mephisto is important. So if Marvel decides to restore the marriage in the similar fashion, if Brand New Day is actually revealed to be, say, a Heroes Reborn type set-up, then once again, everybody praising this new status quo (which, I seem to notice, appear to make up mostly the same folks who praised the unmasking and the Other when they were going on) will once again have been suckered. Of course, considering how Joe Q made such a big deal about the marriage being the bane of the character's existence, I don't believe he'll actually restore their marriage, but he just might restore their relationship, especially if readership and sales have declined on Brand New Day.

[Blader5489]

End of the day enough people drop the book and they wouldn't give a damn about marketing and new writers would have been hired. Sales are the only trend a company (especially a big one like marvel basically run by suits) really cares about. Too many people didn't give the book up, so it just kept going.

You don't know what you're talking about. Sales absolutely plummeted during that era, from 400,000 copies a month to 40,000; plenty of people gave up the book. If anything, declining sales were the impetus for the continued marketing direction of the series.

[CaptainStacy]

You don't know what you're talking about. Sales absolutely plummeted during that era, from 400,000 copies a month to 40,000; plenty of people gave up the book. If anything, declining sales were the impetus for the continued marketing direction of the series.

Absolutely. You'd think a self proclaimed Spider-Man "purist" would be aware of that fact. :whatever:

[moraldeficiency]

Wow. Someone calling people names over a comic book is actually accusing others of acting like "kids". :whatever:


Have a nice day. :yay:

Pretty sure you started the name calling actually (introspection, give it a whirl). I labeled current fans that are reading scabs. That's actually a term, with a very specific meaning for those crossing a picket line. So it's not a name, it's a label (please tell me you don't need me to explain the difference to you, I hate that overused passive agressive tactic).

And don't say a comic book like it's not important enough to get worked up about, you're obviously emotional on the topic and so am I, so whether it's important enough to the average person is irrevelant, it's important enough to you and me to actually devote time and energy to discuss aspects of it.

But yeah, you seemed pretty childish (that would be a comment on your emotional state and how you've been posting). I'm mean you're basically saying nothing. You're advancing no opinion, showing no new sides, not even explaining why you feel the way you do. You're merely calling other people whiney because they're expressing themselves the exact same way you are but from the other side of the argument.

My day's been going pretty well though, I appreciate your good wishes.

[iloveclones]

I would caution either side of the clone debate that yes, there was a huge decline in sales (so you're wrong MD, but actually to your benefit). But that was happening to the comic industry overall. I think people who hated the clone saga conveniently point to that as the fans rising up and creating change. I think people here are empowered by that example, and maybe shouldn't be.

The other x-factor not being considered here, is that I don't think the direction of Spidey is completely dependent on sales, like other titles are. So many other forces(movies, merchandise, company branding, stockholders) pull at the direction the character goes, and comic sales is just one of them. So to cause any change, I suspect that you would need a precipitous drop (and I mean to the 20-30K/issue zone, which would still translate to 60-90K/month)

[moraldeficiency]

From what I remember the bubble was popping on sales all over. Spider-Man still retained the number of readers to keep it going though. It was a bad time all around, and I'll be honest and say I was not reading pete/ben at all (my first boycott) so maybe I'm off base on this, but companies are companies and sales dictate what a company does. With the mass exodus of readers at that time I'm willing to bet that spider-man readers were just one of many concerns but they still sustained enough to keep it going.

I'm curious about your comment, blader, with the "declining sales were the impetus for the continued marketing direction of the series." comment which I'm fairly confused about.

Yes, captian s, you don't like me or my views. Gotcha. Though purists does not mean complete knowledge of all aspects of something, merely that one doesn't want a disolution of the purpose or intent. Maybe sometime in the distant future you'll favor us with an actual opinion or thought of your own other than to complain or agree with other people (though I won't hold my breath).

If I was wrong on the sales comment though, my mistake.

[Themanofbat]

...then once again, everybody praising this new status quo (which, I seem to notice, appear to make up mostly the same folks who praised the unmasking and the Other when they were going on) will once again have been suckered.

Boy... that's insulting... when has anyone here praised The Other? :huh: :cmad: :huh: I know I didn't do it.

Of course, considering how Joe Q made such a big deal about the marriage being the bane of the character's existence, I don't believe he'll actually restore their marriage, but he just might restore their relationship, especially if readership and sales have declined on Brand New Day.

As it was once pointed out, Peter and Mary Jane as a couple are pretty much enriched into American psyche (thanks to the movies), so it's inevitable that they will be a couple once again some day... just not a married one.

[farmernudie]

Who wants to see a married Pete and MJ, DATING again tho?

Again, been there, done that.

They won't let them back together, and if they do, it will be married.

But, again, the whole point of this agenda is to SEPERATE them. Not just to slowly bring them back. (unless enough fans put there feet down and do not except this mess.)

[Brand]

Boy... that's insulting... when has anyone here praised The Other? :huh: :cmad: :huh: I know I didn't do it.

Well, stillanerd did say while it was going on. I wasn't here at the time, but The Other didn't start out too badly, so it's possible you or some of the others praised it at first.

As it was once pointed out, Peter and Mary Jane as a couple are pretty much enriched into American psyche (thanks to the movies), so it's inevitable that they will be a couple once again some day... just not a married one.

That sorta defeats the whole purpose of that "Peter has to be a swinging bachelor so we can tell stories about other women" excuse Marvel used.

Also, I have no interest in seeing Peter and MJ dating again, especially if they're just going to be breaking up and getting back together over and over. After what we've seen from them in the past, it seems like such a waste of their characters.

[Blader5489]

Spider-Man still retained the number of readers to keep it going though.

A 90% drop is retaining readers?

I'm curious about your comment, blader, with the "declining sales were the impetus for the continued marketing direction of the series." comment which I'm fairly confused about.

Bad sales lead to a string of marketing gimmicks all with the purpose of rejuvenating those sales. Because of Spider-Man's plummeting numbers, the marketing guys at Marvel essentially took the wheel and mandated several gimmicks (e.g. "Web of Carnage") in order to draw in readers. On top of that, marketing also mandated several meaningless stories (like the Scarlet Spider spin-offs), which, as I said before, only served as padding and made the Clone Saga much longer than it needed to be.

[moraldeficiency]

A 90% drop is retaining readers?



Bad sales lead to a string of marketing gimmicks all with the purpose of rejuvenating those sales. Because of Spider-Man's plummeting numbers, the marketing guys at Marvel essentially took the wheel and mandated several gimmicks (e.g. "Web of Carnage") in order to draw in readers. On top of that, marketing also mandated several meaningless stories (like the Scarlet Spider spin-offs), which, as I said before, only served as padding and made the Clone Saga much longer than it needed to be.

You're just being argumentative about the first point. I said sales dropped across the board. We all know that. I also confessed lack of knowledge which I hoped you'd enlighten me about rather than just explain the precentage in a previously stated post. And ten percent of marvel's flagship could very well still keep it going if it was still doing well in relation to other books.

I get what you're saying with the second point though a lot of that just made me think of the last two years when they decided to @uck up pete's life so they could make this SOS change. They lost people, got desperate by piling on further crap, finally fixed it (awkardly, but they had few options with the corner they were in). People eventually came back. That might very well happen here if enough boycotting happens (too early to tell).

Still if you have some numbers (I looked, not too hard, but couldn't find much) as far as spider books dropping in relation to other books (you'd need several to prove a trend), then I stand corrected as I often do.

[spider greg]

Well, stillanerd did say while it was going on. I wasn't here at the time, but The Other didn't start out too badly, so it's possible you or some of the others praised it at first.

I was here and quite frankly, I remember nothing but hate for the story. It was the first time I ever considered dropping Spider-man.

[stillanerd]

Boy... that's insulting... when has anyone here praised The Other? :huh: :cmad: :huh: I know I didn't do it.

Oh, there were some that I remember reading how good in was while it was going on, even saying how hard core it was for Spidey to get his eye ripped out by Morlun. Of course, after it was over, it was a totally different story. I'm almost tempted now to go back into earlier posts to see if I can find them.:hehe: However, don't think I was trying to single you out TMOB because I know that you at least have some common sense when it comes to these things.:cwink:

As it was once pointed out, Peter and Mary Jane as a couple are pretty much enriched into American psyche (thanks to the movies), so it's inevitable that they will be a couple once again some day... just not a married one.

Exactly. And it's not just the movies that pretty much sold the idea that Peter and MJ are a couple but the comic books themselves. Even OMD implied as much. Of course, rather than them being the equivalent of Lois and Clark, Marvel has made Peter and MJ the equivalent of Ross and Rachel from Friends.

Well, stillanerd did say while it was going on. I wasn't here at the time, but The Other didn't start out too badly, so it's possible you or some of the others praised it at first.

Exactly the point I was making Brand.

That sorta defeats the whole purpose of that "Peter has to be a swinging bachelor so we can tell stories about other women" excuse Marvel used.

Also, I have no interest in seeing Peter and MJ dating again, especially if they're just going to be breaking up and getting back together over and over. After what we've seen from them in the past, it seems like such a waste of their characters.

Well, that's certainly what's likely to happen, and that's certainly the formula folks are getting over in Ultimate Spider-Man (which, by the way, I believe Marvel will eventually phase out in favor of Amazing Spider-Man if they plan on sticking with the new status quo) And Marvel believes that the marriage made Spidey stagnant and wasn't going anywhere, so all they did was trade one stagnation for another form of stagnation. Of course, they could have just logically progressed the marriage, but then of course, that would "age the character to much" and "lead to his eventual death" according to Joe Q.

[stillanerd]

double post.

[spider greg]

To get back on topic, during my lunch break I went to the Comic Shop near my job and except for a few issues of BND pt 1 everything was gone, no pt 2 or 3. It was like that last week also so it doesn't look like he had anything to restock.

The one near my house was pretty much the same.

When I visit my parents next week (which is out of state and where my actual subscription is) I'll get the numbers from there.

It varies from location and possibly depends on how many were initially ordered.

[Brand]

Well, that's certainly what's likely to happen, and that's certainly the formula folks are getting over in Ultimate Spider-Man (which, by the way, I believe Marvel will eventually phase out in favor of Amazing Spider-Man if they plan on sticking with the new status quo) And Marvel believes that the marriage made Spidey stagnant and wasn't going anywhere, so all they did was trade one stagnation for another form of stagnation. Of course, they could have just logically progressed the marriage, but then of course, that would "age the character to much" and "lead to his eventual death" according to Joe Q.

That's perfectly fine for USM. In fact, if any 15-year-old (especially Peter Parker) had a stable love life, then that's REALLY what I'd call fiction. :woot:

As for twenty-something Peter in the 616, I'd hope he has reached the point where we don't have to watch him ditch dates again and again to be Spider-Man. After everything he has gone through, particularly the marriage, that's a monumental regression of the character.

To get back on topic, during my lunch break I went to the Comic Shop near my job and except for a few issues of BND pt 1 everything was gone, no pt 2 or 3. It was like that last week also so it doesn't look like he had anything to restock.

The one near my house was pretty much the same.

When I visit my parents next week (which is out of state and where my actual subscription is) I'll get the numbers from there.

It varies from location and possibly depends on how many were initially ordered.

There's only one LCS near me, and it has a ton of all the issues. That's nothing new, though; there usually used to be a few extra issues of the Spidey books when I'd visit. To be honest, it seemed like SSN would sell out faster than ASM or FNSM here for some reason.

Like you've said, it really depends on location. Some places are selling well, others not at all. We'll have to wait for the official numbers to see what's really going on with ASM now, and even those won't tell the true tale for another few months.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Look, I understand the need to vent - I'm as upset about OMD/BND as anyone - but there's really no need to wish sickness or death on people over a comic book. I could maybe see wishing for JQ to get a computer virus that deletes all his porn or something, but don't call for his family to keel over. That's just wrong. If you're that upset over a fictional character, that's when you know it's time for a break.

People feel strongly about this,and i'm with him. If you want to wish harm,then fine. If they can't listen to fans,then it is their problem.

:hoboj:

[Themanofbat]

People feel strongly about this,and i'm with him. If you want to wish harm,then fine. If they can't listen to fans,then it is their problem.


Then you're in need of psychiatric help as well... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

While there's nothing wrong with feeling passion about a fictional character, it's another thing to wish harm and disease to a person and their families just because they decided to do something with said character that you don't approve.

It's immature and just wrong.

[UltimateJustin]

Look, I understand the need to vent - I'm as upset about OMD/BND as anyone - but there's really no need to wish sickness or death on people over a comic book. I could maybe see wishing for JQ to get a computer virus that deletes all his porn or something, but don't call for his family to keel over. That's just wrong. If you're that upset over a fictional character, that's when you know it's time for a break.
I meant I hope his wife leaves him and his son experiences curiousity issues with his sexuality.

[Themanofbat]

I meant I hope his wife leaves him and his son experiences curiousity issues with his sexuality.

Maybe you could hook up with his kid... :yay:

[shinlyle]

Maybe you could hook up with his kid... :yay:

Now, TMoB....he may already have a boyfriend.

[Brand]

Now, TMoB....he may already have a boyfriend.

I am sooo staying out of this one. :woot:

Oh, and congrats on the coming of little Gwen, shin. Love the name!

[Infidel]

I dont' think I've posted this here, but my shop a couple weeks ago still had plenty o' copies of those first three issues.

O.K., given this is the most unprofessional thing I've ever seen in all my years of a comic reading. THey just cram a bunch of gimmicks and then try to magic it away after promising that they were going to do something with it. Man, this is terrible.

What's supposed to happen here that so great? Paper Doll? ARe they kidding us?

[Spiderchicken]

I'm sure BND is selling well. BTW I'm selling all my Spider-man comics. I have a bunch too. I wouldn't be selling them all if it weren't for financial reasons. If you guys are looking for back issues galore (2 for 99 cents). Look at my auctions.
Snowchicken515 is my ebay tag name. Here's my store website
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsnowchicken515

Please check them out, it might help you Spider-man fans fill in the gaps in your collection.

[Hobgoblin]

They arent selling well at my store.
3 of part one are left.
8 of part two.
8 of part three.
7 of part four.

[steintym]

So far there hasn't been much of an impact at the store I go to (talked with the owner). He hears a lot of complaining, but people are hesitant to just drop at this point. Basically, folks are being patient and hoping for a massive correction/real explanation. The impacts will probably be felt in a couple of months if things don't change, or people really buy into BND.

[Norman Osborn]

For those wondering...all 3 January ASM titles were in the top ten!

ASM 546 #1

ASM 547 #8

ASM 548 #10

http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/Jan08sales.html

Oh and DC got trounced...highest entrant at Position 12 JLA #17/....wow!!

[shinlyle]

So much for the nay-sayers who swore they would "vote with their wallets", huh?

I didn't buy them, but it looks like about half of the people who said they were quitting were just blowing smoke. This just goes to show that people will just b**** and continue to buy.

Joe Q wins, after all.

[moraldeficiency]

So much for the nay-sayers who swore they would "vote with their wallets", huh?

I didn't buy them, but it looks like about half of the people who said they were quitting were just blowing smoke. This just goes to show that people will just b**** and continue to buy.

Joe Q wins, after all.

Maybe they did, but this is still a big event and that always pulls in new/casual readers. They only way the boycott works is in the long run, don't expect ASM sales to suddenly drop, it'll be the opposite with a slow, and hopefully, incipient decline.

Plus most of the people I know are doing the giving it a chance mentality. Let them go, eventually the glaring contradictions will put off most of them.

[Norman Osborn]

So much for the nay-sayers who swore they would "vote with their wallets", huh?

I didn't buy them, but it looks like about half of the people who said they were quitting were just blowing smoke. This just goes to show that people will just b**** and continue to buy.

Joe Q wins, after all.

You knew that before these sales numbers came out Shin.....It was a brilliant move by Joe Q......bringing in Slott and the boys...hell I'll be 100% honest......if I liked the Slott stories I would have kept it on my list....I didn't....but I'm in a huge minority......(and Personally...I think it's more than half :) )

[TalesMN]

So much for the nay-sayers who swore they would "vote with their wallets", huh?

I believe these numbers refer to sales TO comic book stores, not IN them.

Hence the numerous copies standing on the shelves.

[farmernudie]

These early numbers mean squat, whether high or low.

Because any "Event" pulls in non-loyal fans who aren't gonnabuy for the long run...per say.

And then you take into account the Slott affect....the gimmick covers they're still pushing...and any other gimmicks Joe's got going to launch his new spidey world.

I am more concerned about what the numbers will say a few months from NOW.

Who has actually stayed and who has gone.

Is it making more than the titles they canceled PREVIOUSLY?? (to also use a gimmick and call it all the same adjective Amazing??)

While i hate waiting, like you Shinlyle...because i want to be reading my favorite character, restored without insulting my intelligence, and ruining and altering continuity....but, i know we're gonna have to wait a bit before they fix spidey again.

But, it will happen! Let's just hope Joe doesn't take Spidey farther down the rabbit hole...and fully Ultimatize him. It's a slippery slope guys!

[iloveclones]

These early numbers mean squat, whether high or low.

Because any "Event" pulls in non-loyal fans who aren't gonnabuy for the long run...per say.

And then you take into account the Slott affect....the gimmick covers they're still pushing...and any other gimmicks Joe's got going to launch his new spidey world.

I am more concerned about what the numbers will say a few months from NOW.

Who has actually stayed and who has gone.

Is it making more than the titles they canceled PREVIOUSLY?? (to also use a gimmick and call it all the same adjective Amazing??)

While i hate waiting, like you Shinlyle...because i want to be reading my favorite character, restored without insulting my intelligence, and ruining and altering continuity....but, i know we're gonna have to wait a bit before they fix spidey again.

But, it will happen! Let's just hope Joe doesn't take Spidey farther down the rabbit hole...and fully Ultimatize him. It's a slippery slope guys!

You know darn well if those numbers were low, you'd be screaming it in every thread.

And as previously stated, these are comics the shops bought. Not ones actually sold. I suggest everybody stop jumping out windows and take a breath.

[Themanofbat]

As you laugh at all the people that say "I'm waiting for explanations" that you say will never come, I'm laughing at all the people that have had their "intelligence insulted" by comic books.

:yay:

[stillanerd]

So much for the nay-sayers who swore they would "vote with their wallets", huh?

I didn't buy them, but it looks like about half of the people who said they were quitting were just blowing smoke. This just goes to show that people will just b**** and continue to buy.

Joe Q wins, after all.

Well, the first month of Brand New Day was bound to do well considering the controversy surrounding it, so to see it doing well is not all that surprising. Plus you have to remember that a lot of these were ordered in advance prior to One More Day coming out. But while all three issues are in top ten, notice the numbers themselves:

ASM #545--174.86 (part 4 of One More Day)
ASM #546--185.55 (first week of Brand New Day)
ASM #547--145.50 (second week of Brand New Day)
ASM #548--140.99 (third week of Brand New Day)

Looking at it this way, by the end of the month, Amazing Spider-Man lost a quarter of it's sales over a two week period after the big boost it got at the beginning of January. Also, another thing to consider is that these numbers are index numbers which don't always translate as actual customer sales. For instance, the estimated quantity of sales for ASM #545 was actually 124,481. So while the numbers certainly are good, it appears they are actually loosing readers per week...if the trend continues, that is.

EDIT: Over at newsarama, a poster made estimates of the top ten, and figures the following:

ASM #546--131,280 copies
ASM #547--104,640 copies
ASM #548--101,390 copies

[moraldeficiency]

I laugh at the comic stylings of Ron White.

[spider greg]

Well, the first month of Brand New Day was bound to do well considering the controversy surrounding it, so to see it doing well is not all that surprising. Plus you have to remember that a lot of these were ordered in advance prior to One More Day coming out. But while all three issues are in top ten, notice the numbers themselves:

ASM #545--174.86 (part 4 of One More Day)
ASM #546--185.55 (first week of Brand New Day)
ASM #547--145.50 (second week of Brand New Day)
ASM #548--140.99 (third week of Brand New Day)

Looking at it this way, by the end of the month, Amazing Spider-Man lost a quarter of it's sales over a two week period after the big boost it got at the beginning of January. Also, another thing to consider is that these numbers are index numbers which don't always translate as actual customer sales. For instance, the estimated quantity of sales for ASM #545 was actually 124,481. So while the numbers certainly are good, it appears they are actually loosing readers per week...if the trend continues, that is.

EDIT: Over at newsarama, a poster made estimates of the top ten, and figures the following:

ASM #546--131,280 copies
ASM #547--104,640 copies
ASM #548--101,390 copies

Are these sales that pertain only to North American comic shops which buy through Diamond? If that's the case, sales from the UK aren't included, also subscriptions and regular newstands and bookstores.

[stillanerd]

Are these sales that pertain only to North American comic shops which buy through Diamond? If that's the case, sales from the UK aren't included, also subscriptions and regular newstands and bookstores.

I believe the index numbers Newsarama posted are from Diamond, so yes, you are correct about how it doesn't include international sales...or actual sales figures from "off the counter" for that matter.

[Themanofbat]

I wish I knew how the "index" numbers worked in corrolation to actual sales figures.

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:

[Galactus]

February numbers:

1 X-Force 1 $2.99 Marvel 105,084
2 New Avengers 38 $2.99 Marvel 104,075
3 Amazing Spider-Man 549 $2.99 Marvel 101,048
4 Thor 6 $2.99 Marvel 98,254
5 Ultimates 3 3 $2.99 Marvel 97,149
6 All Star Batman & Robin Boy Wonder 9 $2.99 DC 93,707
7 Hulk 2 $2.99 Marvel 93,666
8 Fantastic Four 554 $2.99 Marvel 92,596
9 Amazing Spider-Man 550 $2.99 Marvel 90,817
10 Uncanny X-Men 495 $2.99 Marvel 90,353
11 Justice League of America 18 $2.99 DC 89,746
12 X-Men Legacy 208 $2.99 Marvel 88,076
13 Amazing Spider-Man 551 $2.99 Marvel 88,029

[CaptainStacy]

This isnt soley Spidey-related, but you guys should look at this. I found it very interesting.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080219/20080219005634.html?.v=1

[Spider-ManHero12]

This isnt soley Spidey-related, but you guys should look at this. I found it very interesting.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080219/20080219005634.html?.v=1 Wow, that is very interesting. :up:

[iloveclones]

One of the things I noticed in there is that Isaac Perlmutter (i.e. one of the guys that brought Marvel out of bankruptcy) has declared that he won't be selling any of his stock while this repurchasing plan is going on. It's always good when a CEO "sticks with" his company.

Other than that, these direct to DVDs sound pretty cool. I'm glad Marvel is continuing to get their characters out there, in whatever form they think people will take them.

Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow Lionsgate Scheduled for August 2008 release. (1)
Hulk Vs. Lionsgate Scheduled for January 2009 release. (1)
Thor: Son of Asgard Lionsgate Scheduled for September 2009 release. (1)
Planet Hulk Lionsgate Scheduled for February 2010 release. (1)

[Donald Thomas]

This isnt soley Spidey-related, but you guys should look at this. I found it very interesting.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080219/20080219005634.html?.v=1

Marvel’s Publishing Segment net sales increased $1.7 million or 6% to $30.3 million in Q4 2007 principally due to continued strength in the Direct and Mass Market channels and the benefit of special event publishing such as World War Hulk and Stephen King’s Dark Tower series. Operating income in the publishing segment also rose 6% on a year-over-year basis to $12.3 million in Q4 2007 with a comparable operating margin of approximately 41%.

Aloha,
As a Marvel stock holder, I have been aware of these numbers. This is why we the comic book fans have to consider what we represent to Marvel. Art and literature are always subjective and there will always be differnces of opinion regarding whats good and bad. But when Marvel looks at their bottom line, if internet fans are out of sink with what's bringing in the money, then we sound like fools.Some may knock Special events and crossovers but that's what bringing in the money.To be a successful comic book company nowadays you have to have one eye on the art,dialogue and entertainment value and the other on the bottom line.Someone at Marvel must be doing something right. Could it be.....................
Spidey rules

[CaptainStacy]

Marvel’s Publishing Segment net sales increased $1.7 million or 6% to $30.3 million in Q4 2007 principally due to continued strength in the Direct and Mass Market channels and the benefit of special event publishing such as World War Hulk and Stephen King’s Dark Tower series. Operating income in the publishing segment also rose 6% on a year-over-year basis to $12.3 million in Q4 2007 with a comparable operating margin of approximately 41%.

Aloha,
As a Marvel stock holder, I have been aware of these numbers. This is why we the comic book fans have to consider what we represent to Marvel. Art and literature are always subjective and there will always be differnces of opinion regarding whats good and bad. But when Marvel looks at their bottom line, if internet fans are out of sink with what's bringing in the money, then we sound like fools.Some may knock Special events and crossovers but that's what bringing in the money.To be a successful comic book company nowadays you have to have one eye on the art,dialogue and entertainment value and the other on the bottom line.Someone at Marvel must be doing something right. Could it be.....................
Spidey rules


It is.

Some people here may not want to hear it, but the facts dont lie.

Q-Ball knows what he's doing.

[farmernudie]

I personally i have stated all along Joe knows what he is doing, overall. I feel he has also been good for comics in general.

My main personal complaint is that he is HORRIBLE AND WRETCHED with Spidey...but HAS been good with other things. I can give him credit where it is due, and can also see areas where he is not strong in,...everyone has their weaknesses...and unfortunately, for me, it's my favorite character who he doesn't grasp at all.

[kainedamo]

One of the things I noticed in there is that Isaac Perlmutter (i.e. one of the guys that brought Marvel out of bankruptcy) has declared that he won't be selling any of his stock while this repurchasing plan is going on. It's always good when a CEO "sticks with" his company.

Other than that, these direct to DVDs sound pretty cool. I'm glad Marvel is continuing to get their characters out there, in whatever form they think people will take them.

Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow Lionsgate Scheduled for August 2008 release. (1)
Hulk Vs. Lionsgate Scheduled for January 2009 release. (1)
Thor: Son of Asgard Lionsgate Scheduled for September 2009 release. (1)
Planet Hulk Lionsgate Scheduled for February 2010 release. (1)

Planet Hulk animated?!??

[kainedamo]

It is.

Some people here may not want to hear it, but the facts dont lie.

Q-Ball knows what he's doing.

There's no reason why he can't do two things at once.

BND would still have been succesful without the changes that have in the hearts of many been extremely detrimental to the character.

And will BND still be selling well in a year's time?

The reason for it's current success I feel is that in today's climate it's so easy to build hype for an upcoming event.

[CaptainStacy]

There's no reason why he can't do two things at once.


What two things are you refering to?

[kainedamo]

What two things are you refering to?

Making the books succsesful while staying to the core of what the fans want of the character. By and large, most fans didn't want a continuity wiping event that destroyed the marriage and brought back Harry and opened a bag of never to be explained continuity holes. There was no reason for OMD, and BND would have been just as succesful, more so, if they didn't screw with these things.