The Mitt Romney Thread

[MaskedManJRK]

http://www.newsvine.com/_video/2008/01/17/1236050-romney-reporter-get-into-verbal-spat

What makes me curious/creeps me out is him inviting the reporter to his plane to "continue the conversation." If my theories are correct, Romney's sucking that poor saps f**king blood as we speak. :o

[Superman]

Saw it on MSNBC. It's about time a reporter called these guys on there BS. Good for him. :up:

[YsoSerious]

...and now the reporter is part of the mile high club.

[Abaddon]

and when the plane landed, the reporter was nowhere to be found...

[sinewave]

ha! caught in the act. romney's no washington outsider. he's made from the same mold as any other lying, slimeball politician.

[The Senator]

I desperately want Mitt Romney to get his party's nomination. He's pretty much a guaranteed loss in the general election. In a contest between him and Hillary Clinton, Hillary wins or ties with him in Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee, and North Carolina. Plus, she wins all the swing states by large margins.

So, while I feel like a could live with a McCain presidency... I could certainly live with a Romney nomination, and then a Romney loss.

[The Senator]

The electoral college results if the election was held today (Hillary vs. Romney):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/romneyhill.jpg

[StorminNorman]

I desperately want Mitt Romney to get his party's nomination. He's pretty much a guaranteed loss in the general election. In a contest between him and Hillary Clinton, Hillary wins or ties with him in Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee, and North Carolina. Plus, she wins all the swing states by large margins.

So, while I feel like a could live with a McCain presidency... I could certainly live with a Romney nomination, and then a Romney loss.

Honestly if you believe Hillary Clinton would be defeated by a Conservative Republican in Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee and North Carolina - you are delusional.

[The Senator]

Honestly if you believe Hillary Clinton would be defeated by a Conservative Republican in Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee and North Carolina - you are delusional.

I don't think she'd win all of those states. But she could win some of them, most likely North Carolina and Tennessee, where she leads him by upwards of ten to fifteen points. Plus Mitt Romney is a Mormon, which apparently hurts him more than it helps him in the South, according to the stats.

I'm just reflecting the opinion polling, not the likely outcome.

Likely outcome: She'll win all the Kerry states, but also Ohio, Iowa, Virginia, West Virginia, Missouri, Arkansas, New Mexico, Indiana (if Bayh's her running mate), and possibly Kentucky.

[CalebYourMaster]

Honestly if you believe Hillary Clinton would be defeated by a Conservative Republican in Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee and North Carolina - you are delusional.
yeah...i totally agree...
Huckabee ownz Romney anyways (you will soon see)

[Arkady Rossovich]

I saw that,Romney looked angry. Like he got caught in a lie. You could see he was trying to keep his calm,with the cameras taking pictures all around him.

[Abaddon]

I saw that,Romney looked angry. Like he got caught in a lie. You could see he was trying to keep his calm,with the cameras taking pictures all around him.

Just move to America already. You love it here.

[hippie_hunter]

The electoral college results if the election was held today (Hillary vs. Romney):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/romneyhill.jpg

No offense but that map is just full of it. There is no way in hell that Hillary freaking Clinton would win Texas, North Carolina, Alabama, or Oklahoma.

I'm just curious, what would it look like if McCain won the nomination?

[The Senator]

As I said previously, the map is not the likely outcome. It is what the map would look like-- according to the most recent opinion polls from each state-- if the election was held today (based on those polls; nothing else). I don't think the map will be that blue in actuality.

In a few minutes, I will post several maps, putting Hillary against Romney, McCain, Giuliani and Huckabee. Most of them will be based on the same opinion polls; but for the close states, I will keep them discolored, or for states which are questionable.

Also, keep in mind, I'm using a Clinton-Bayh ticket... which is the only reason why Indiana is blue. There are no polls for Indiana, except for one released in December which says that a Generic Democrat-Bayh ticket would beat any Republican ticket by 10 points. With the new maps, I've used better judgment with Indiana.

Give me a moment, and I apologize again for not explaining it further. I'm going about it by opinion polls; not my own opinion, though the latter will be used for those "close" or tied states.

[The Senator]

Hillary vs. Romney, Revised:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/hillaryromney2.jpg

Hillary vs. McCain:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/hillarymccain.jpg

Hillary vs. Huckabee (subtract 11 from the Dems for IN; I'm not sure how that would work, even with Bayh on the ticket):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/hillaryhuck.jpg

Hillary vs. Rudy:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/hillaryrudy.jpg

[hippie_hunter]

That's pretty interesting.

[Matt]

I don't take those maps too seriously. Everything changes once campaign season gets into swing. I am sure the internet were around back in the 80s, there would've been poll maps circulating about how Dukakis would win.

[The Senator]

Has anyone ever read "The Keys to the White House" by Alan Lichtman? He's one of the professors at my college... basically, he has eight "keys" which influence the outcome of the popular vote. His assessment has been correct dating back to the late 1800s... but if his "keys" are right, the Dems would almost have this nomination wrapped.

If I can find an abridged version of them, I'll post them.

PS. And Matt, I do agree with you. Dukakis was leading for a little while back in 1988, before he screwed himself over.

[The Senator]

Correction: There are thirteen keys. Here is an assessment I found online:

The Keys to the White House

The Keys are stated to favor the reelection of the incumbent party. When five or fewer are false, the incumbent party wins. When six or more are false, the challenging party wins.

KEY 1 (Party Mandate): After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than it did after the previous midterm elections. (FALSE)

KEY 2 (Contest): There is no serious contest for the incumbent-party nomination. (FALSE)

KEY 3 (Incumbency): The incumbent-party candidate is the sitting president. (FALSE)

KEY 4 (Third party): There is no significant third-party or independent campaign. (UNCERTAIN)

KEY 5 (Short-term economy): The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. (UNCERTAIN)

KEY 6 (Long-term economy): Real per-capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. (UNCERTAIN)

KEY 7 (Policy change): The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. (FALSE)

KEY 8 (Social unrest): There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (TRUE)

KEY 9 (Scandal): The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal. (TRUE)

KEY 10 (Foreign/military failure): The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. (FALSE)

KEY 11 (Foreign/military success): The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs. (FALSE)

KEY 12 (Incumbent charisma): The incumbent-party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. (FALSE)

KEY 13 (Challenger charisma): The challenging-party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. (TRUE)

The following Keys currently count against the incumbent party.

* The party’s losses in the 2006 midterm elections topple Mandate Key 1.
* The battle to replace George W. Bush costs the party Contest Key 2.
* Bush’s inability to run again in 2008 dooms Incumbency Key 3.
* The lack of a second-term policy revolution forfeits Policy Change Key 7.
* The disaster in Iraq costs the administration both Foreign/Military Success Key 9 and Failure Key 10.
* No GOP candidate equals the charisma of Ronald Reagan or the heroic stature of Dwight Eisenhower, toppling Charisma/National Hero Key 12.

The following three Keys currently favor the incumbent Republican Party.

* The absence of social upheavals comparable to the 1960’s, avoids the loss of Social Unrest Key 8.
* The failure of scandals to impact the president directly keeps Scandal Key 9 from falling against the GOP.
* The Democratic challenger is unlikely to match the charisma of Franklin D. Roosevelt or John F. Kennedy, keeping the Challenger Charisma/Hero Key 13 in line for the incumbents.

The following Keys are uncertain:

* Third Party Key 4 depends on whether New York City mayor and billionaire Michael Bloomberg, who switched from Republican to independent, chooses to run an insurgent campaign for president.
* Short-Term Economy Key 5 and Long-Term Economy Key 6 depend upon uncertain economic forecasts for the upcoming year.

[MaskedManJRK]

Hillary vs. Romney, Revised:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/hillaryromney2.jpg

Hillary vs. Huckabee (subtract 11 from the Dems for IN; I'm not sure how that would work, even with Bayh on the ticket):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/hillaryhuck.jpg

Hillary vs. Rudy:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/hillaryrudy.jpg

If my state votes for either of those ass-wipes, I'm going to be PISSED. :cmad:

[MaskedManJRK]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/us/politics/22romney.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper&oref=login&oref =slogin

:dry:

[CorpusBlack]

M.C. Romney in the house. :whatever:

[The Senator]

Ha!

[hippie_hunter]

M.C. Romney in the house. :whatever:

LOL :oldrazz:

[cookiva]

This guy is the real gangsta....


http://i29.tinypic.com/fc60lt.jpg

[rdh007]

I love how he makes sure to get a shot in at public schools while he's pandering. :up:

[Damiean Dark]

He wont be the nominee his past is way too shady the Clinton machine will tear him apart.

[Malice]

He wont be the nominee his past is way too shady the Clinton machine will tear him apart.

I dont think the Clinton machine would rip him or mccain apart, those are the two that might be the rep nominination...she might win...but it would be close

[MaskedManJRK]

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/01/21/romney-who-let-the-dogs-out/

Video of this...effort.

God, he is trying SO HARD to be hip it's hilarious. :woot:

[StorminNorman]

I like a candidate that can make fun of himself.

But of course - I am looking for the best here.

[The Senator]

I like a candidate that can make fun of himself.

But of course - I am looking for the best here.

It's okay, if Hillary called herself a ho, I'd say the same thing. :cwink:

[MaskedManJRK]

I like a candidate that can make fun of himself.

But of course - I am looking for the best here.

I'm not saying anything bad--I'm just saying he's trying a little too hard. He would be a bit better off if he just acted like the uninformed honkey* with an open mind. Feel more natural, you know?





*I'm a honkey so I can say it, b***hes. :o

[Damiean Dark]

I dont think the Clinton machine would rip him or mccain apart, those are the two that might be the rep nominination...she might win...but it would be close

Sorry I was actually refering to Guliani that guy has far to many skeeletons in the closet and a democrat (clinton or Oboma) will beat any republican candidate imo even fellow rep dont think the two front runners Mccain and Romney are true republicans people imo just want a change the rep have had there turn.

[Malice]

I have a theory on why Romney didnt do as well on Super Tuesday as I would have hoped.

I believe its an image thing.....meaning....his hair.

Those not in a corporate hair don't like someone with the plastic hair look. To them, it portrays a view of falseness, and the sleezy corporate image that you see in movies. Its not to bad to those of use in the Corporate atmosphere, since we see it all the time.

I think he needed to have a more "citizen" haircut. Nothing plastic'ed up, nothing slicked down, something more unkept. To me, a nice crew cut like myself, or possibly just have it a little more natural that doesnt look so plastic.

I think his image was more the problem.

What do you think?

[The Incredible Hulk]

could be that. could also be that he's a pompous windbag..... :)

[Malice]

could be that. could also be that he's a pompous windbag..... :)

Personally, I dont think he is any more pompous than the other windbags running.
:pal:

[The Senator]

I think it's because he's a triple-decker smarm sandwich topped with smarmesan cheese and smothered in smarmalade.

[hippie_hunter]

It wasn't the hair. If anything the hair helped him pick up votes because it's so perfect and I know that there have got to be other people besides me mesmerized with it.

Romney failed because he's a douche plain and simple. That and Mike Huckabee.

[Matt]

It wasn't the hair. If anything the hair helped him pick up votes because it's so perfect and I know that there have got to be other people besides me mesmerized with it.


Don't forget the chizzled jaw and dashing good looks. They all need each other to work. Afterall, Romney could still have perfect hair and it wouldn't mean a thing if he had the face of Woody Allen.

Just as the chizzled jaw and dashing good looks would mean nothing if he were bald.

Yep, they all work together in the perfect trifecta...siiiiiiiiigh...oh Romney...if nothing else you've won my heart :heart:

[sinewave]

i think he lost because people saw through his false "gee willickers" persona and realized he's not the washington outsider he claims to be, but just another opportunistic, corporate scumbag.

[Matt]

So essentially the only difference between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is that Obama is a better liar?

[Gilpesh]

So essentially the only difference between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is that Obama is a better liar?

And that's why voting blows. Same Douche, Different Suit.

[sinewave]

So essentially the only difference between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is that Obama is a better liar?

interesting comparison, but i wouldn't say that. obama say the right things, romney doesn't. whether they're both lying or not, obama is much better at bringing people to together, which makes him a better candidate, in my eyes.

[Spider-Fan]

So essentially the only difference between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney is that Obama is a better liar?

I am going to go out on a limb here and say you don't like Obama :woot:

[Matt]

interesting comparison, but i wouldn't say that. obama say the right things, romney doesn't. whether they're both lying or not, obama is much better at bringing people to together, which makes him a better candidate, in my eyes.

He'll bring one side together. Republicans will hate him as he is too liberal. This entire "unity" argument is such B.S. in my eyes anyway. Why do we need to have "unity" in our political system anyway? Firstly, its not like we are in the brink of civil war or a country like Iraq where people commit suicide bombings over their politcal beliefs and second, contrasting ideas are a good thing, keeps us honest and balanced.

[Matt]

I am going to go out on a limb here and say you don't like Obama :woot:

Not particularly :csad:

[Malice]

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/07/romney.campaign/index.html)

[sinewave]

He'll bring one side together. Republicans will hate him as he is too liberal. This entire "unity" argument is such B.S. in my eyes anyway. Why do we need to have "unity" in our political system anyway? Firstly, its not like we are in the brink of civil war or a country like Iraq where people commit suicide bombings over their politcal beliefs and second, contrasting ideas are a good thing, keeps us honest and balanced.

umm, maybe because there's way too much ugly partisanship divisiveness in this country right now due to all the bull**** between the dems and the bush administration and we need someone to bring anyone together. i know you've got a huge dislike for obama, but **** it dude, he's a better alternative to the rest of the schmucks running on either side.

[Matt]

No suprise there.

[Malice]

I figured it would happen...damn

[Matt]

I'm not going to settle when it comes to voting. I will vote my conscience and write in or vote third party.

As for ugly partisanship, Americans have no idea what that word means. In other countries, partinsanship means being executed for being in the minority. So our elections have some mud throwing? Boo hoo. Its not that big of a deal. Its not THAT big of a cultural gap. We are not on the verge of a civil war.

And Republicans despise Obama. All he is going to do is further the partisanship on the otherside. Hell, the best candidate to unite is John McCain. Despite his nut job policys, Joe Q. Public on both parties (Democrats and Republicans) seem to buy into that he is an okay guy and a moderate.

[The Senator]

Huckabee won't be too far behind. As one of McCain's advisers said earlier, it's almost mathematically impossible for McCain to lose this.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm watching the speech right now. Let's see what he says.

[hippie_hunter]

Can he just say that he's done yet?

[The Senator]

What a douchebag. To assume that every child born out of wedlock becomes unsuccessful. :cmad:

[The Senator]

And the last time I checked, Europe was doing just fine. It wasn't on the brink of cataclysm because a few gays got married and a few nations socialized their medicine.

[Showtime]

Damn.

[The Senator]

His smile says "I just crapped my pants and I loved it!"

[The Incredible Hulk]

McCain/Romney '08

You heard it here first.... I'd bet my ass that Romney fell on his sword after getting assurances he's be JMC's running mate.

[The Senator]

McCain/Romney '08

You heard it here first....

And Elton John will be Secretary of State.

[hippie_hunter]

McCain/Romney '08

You heard it here first.... I'd bet my ass that Romney fell on his sword after getting assurances he's be JMC's running mate.

I can see that happening. McCain and Romney may hate each other, but I can see them working together to unite the GOP and their platforms aren't radically different. They both want to reduce the corporate tax, they both are strong supporters on the War on Terror, both are pro-life, etc.

[The Incredible Hulk]

And Elton John will be Secretary of State.

I'm serious, McCain wants to appease the conservative base. And Huckabee wont be an option. Who else is he going to ask? Ron Paul? He'd be better off with RuPaul....

[hippie_hunter]

I'm serious, McCain wants to appease the conservative base. And Huckabee wont be an option. Who else is he going to ask? Ron Paul? He'd be better off with RuPaul....

Romney as a running mate would be a good option to McCain's need to appease the conservative base.

[The Senator]

John McCain is not going to offer Mitt Romney the VP position. The hatred those two have for each other is comparable to the hatred between Clinton and Obama. And as we've seen, Clinton and Obama were able to mellow out at several points during the campaign. Romney has taken shot after shot at McCain, and McCain has fired back out of his rusty cannon, too.

As Chris Matthews said, Romney's decision to drop out now puts him in a starting gate position for 2012. He doesn't want the Vice Presidency; he wants the Presidency. He also doesn't want to be attacked from Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Rick Santorum, and everyone else who held him on a pedestal as the great Reaganesque candidate. Let's face it: McCain adding Romney as his VP isn't going to please his harshest critics. And Romney will not influence McCain's administration one bit.

As much as I see McCain wanting to appease the GOP's conservative base, I don't see Romney as the answer to his problems. He'll pick another, lesser-known conservative, like John Thune, Lindsey Graham, or Mel Martinez. Not Romney.

[Malice]

I dont see Romney becoming a VP...
Honestly...I dont know when the last Presidential Candidate, actually took the position as VP of their opponent.

Some see this as a step down in their own way

[The Incredible Hulk]

John McCain is not going to offer Mitt Romney the VP position. The hatred those two have for each other is comparable to the hatred between Clinton and Obama.
.

I dont think McCain is going to "offer" it either, I think the Republican party is going to make him offer it.

I dont know when the last Presidential Candidate, actually took the position as VP of their opponent.


John Edwards in 2004 although they didnt win

Didnt Gore run against Clinton early on in 2000 too?

[jaguarr]

I'll be curious to see if Huckabee gets a boost out of Mitt bowing out from the religious base Romney was carrying.

jag

[Showtime]

McCain/Romney '08

You heard it here first.... I'd bet my ass that Romney fell on his sword after getting assurances he's be JMC's running mate.

I actually think its a possibility. It's all strategy.

[Malice]

I thought it was Huckabee that got the nod from McCain...but again, we are guessing and will see in a few months.

[The Senator]

I dont think McCain is going to "offer" it either, I think the Republican party is going to make him offer it.

The problem is... the Republican party is in a cluster**** to figure out who they are. The conservative wing wants Romney as the nominee. The wing that wants to move away from Bush wants McCain as the nominee. And the overarching wing of the party that wants the Republicans to win in 2008 believe McCain is the most electable.

I feel that the Republicans are going to lose this election because they don't know what they want to be. This happened to the Democrats in 1984, 1988, 2000, and 2004. It happened with the Republicans in 1980 and 1996. I think this is the situation facing the party, and adding Romney to the ticket would be like putting a band-aid over a severed arm.

Didnt Gore run against Clinton early on in 2000 too?

No. Al Gore didn't run in 1992, if that's what you're referring to.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I thought it was Huckabee that got the nod from McCain...but again, we are guessing and will see in a few months.

That's what all the reports were speculating anyways...

Regardless I almost posted "RIP ROMNEY" :eek:

lol

Seriously though, I would hope at the least Romney would be an economic consultant for Mccain. I'm seriously worried that all Mccain has is "I was a good foot soldier and leader" :(

Or the best thing, Obama for President :D

[sinewave]

I'm not going to settle when it comes to voting. I will vote my conscience and write in or vote third party.

good for you.

As for ugly partisanship, Americans have no idea what that word means. In other countries, partinsanship means being executed for being in the minority. So our elections have some mud throwing? Boo hoo. Its not that big of a deal. Its not THAT big of a cultural gap. We are not on the verge of a civil war.

you caught me in a lousy mood today, so hopefully i can keep civil, but you're way off, dude. i'm not talking just about election season. this has been going on for the last 8 years. the country is extremely divided. i'm not talking about a civil war, and comparing it to the mid east or any other third-world region is ridiculous. there are problems with divisive politics in this country and i feel that we need someone in office who's not going to further that trend and continue to alienate everyone outside of a small base.

And Republicans despise Obama. All he is going to do is further the partisanship on the otherside. Hell, the best candidate to unite is John McCain. Despite his nut job policys, Joe Q. Public on both parties (Democrats and Republicans) seem to buy into that he is an okay guy and a moderate.

no, conservatives despise obama, but they also despise mccain because he dares to get involved in bi-partisanship. republicans just don't like obama because he's a dem, but they have more respoect for him than hillary. yes, he's got a liberal voting record, but he's not going to shun the republican party just because he can. i like that aspect of mccain, too, but he's pro-war, lacking in economic knowledge and he's a reupublican. i don't want a republican choosing the next 1-3 supreme court judges.

[The Senator]

no, conservatives despise obama, but they also despise mccain because he dares to get involved in bi-partisanship. republicans just don't like obama because he's a dem, but they have more respoect for him than hillary. yes, he's got a liberal voting record, but he's not going to shun the republican party just because he can. i like that aspect of mccain, too, but he's pro-war, lacking in economic knowledge and he's a reupublican. i don't want a republican choosing the next 1-3 supreme court judges.

That is very true. Conservatives, not Republicans, despise Obama.

My father is a registered Republican. He registered when Nixon ran in 1968, and considers himself a "Nixonian" Republican. However, he says he hates every Republican who is seeking the nomination, and would vote for Obama "in a heartbeat" before voting for McCain (who he sees as ingenuine), Romney (who he thinks is a douchebag), Giuliani (who he sees as a fascist), or Huckabee (who he sees a hate-filled religious wingnut).

A friend at school was a hard-core Republican who interned for Sen. Cochran from MS. He hates Hillary Clinton, and hates the fact that the Dems took back Congress last year. But he said he'd vote for Obama before McCain.

Another friend of mine is in grad school. She worked for Tom Crapo of Idaho and campaigned for George Allen in 2006. However, she really likes Obama, and even serves a communications adviser for his campaign.

So, there is crossover appeal with Obama. People from the other party do like him, and I highly doubt that the three or so people I know who'd cross party lines to vote for him is an anomaly.

[sinewave]

That is very true. Conservatives, not Republicans, despise Obama.

My father is a registered Republican. He registered when Nixon ran in 1968, and considers himself a "Nixonian" Republican. However, he says he hates every Republican who is seeking the nomination, and would vote for Obama "in a heartbeat" before voting for McCain (who he sees as ingenuine), Romney (who he thinks is a douchebag), Giuliani (who he sees as a fascist), or Huckabee (who he sees a hate-filled religious wingnut).

A friend at school was a hard-core Republican who interned for Sen. Cochran from MS. He hates Hillary Clinton, and hates the fact that the Dems took back Congress last year. But he said he'd vote for Obama before McCain.

Another friend of mine is in grad school. She worked for Tom Crapo of Idaho and campaigned for George Allen in 2006. However, she really likes Obama, and even serves a communications adviser for his campaign.

So, there is crossover appeal with Obama. People from the other party do like him, and I highly doubt that the three or so people I know who'd cross party lines to vote for him is an anomaly.

yep, he's a got a lot of appeal across the board. i think a lot of that springs from his positive, easy going attitude. he seems genuinely willing to embrace bi-partisanship, which is refreshing these days.

[ShadowBoxing]

Huckabee won't be too far behind. As one of McCain's advisers said earlier, it's almost mathematically impossible for McCain to lose this.
Huckabee will stick the storm out. He doesn't care at this point. He's going to milk his conservative Christian base for all their worth, to bring his adgenda on the table and force McCain further to the right.

[Comicfilmer]

Well, yeah...there's all that.

Then there's the fact that he's a Mormon. Don't tell me it didn't factor in to an enormous extent, because it did. Either way, I'm glad to see him out of the race.

[The War Machine]

Does Huckabee have a chance anymore?

[ShadowBoxing]

Does Huckabee have a chance anymore?
No, but he was the dark horse to begin with. As long as he stays in the race he gets his name out there, he gets his issue on the ticket and he gives his supporters a voice in the general. He has no reason to drop out.

[The Senator]

yep, he's a got a lot of appeal across the board. i think a lot of that springs from his positive, easy going attitude. he seems genuinely willing to embrace bi-partisanship, which is refreshing these days.

I actually disagree with that. He seems willing to embrace bipartisanship to earn votes. I don't think that will translate into a legislative strength. I feel like he'll have to go from being the most liberal Senator contending for the presidency to a moderate, do-nothing President with his tail in between his legs 80% of the time.

I've noticed the similarities between this and the 1976 election, where Ford was the old, crotchety moderate GOP candidate and Jimmy Carter was the out-of-the-box, anti-establishment candidate. This time, it's McCain instead of Ford, and Obama instead of Carter. Likewise, Obama will probably initially be seen as a failure as a President. If he can get his act together and reverse the trend, maybe he'll be able to win a second term. But if the parallels between him and Carter persist, he won't be re-elected, and Mitt Romney-- who is comparable to Ronald Reagan in 1976-- will emerge as the leading Presidential contender in 2012.

[The Senator]

good for you.



you caught me in a lousy mood today, so hopefully i can keep civil, but you're way off, dude. i'm not talking just about election season. this has been going on for the last 8 years. the country is extremely divided. i'm not talking about a civil war, and comparing it to the mid east or any other third-world region is ridiculous. there are problems with divisive politics in this country and i feel that we need someone in office who's not going to further that trend and continue to alienate everyone outside of a small base.


The country isn't extremely divided, the politicians in office are extremely divided.

[sinewave]

I actually disagree with that. He seems willing to embrace bipartisanship to earn votes. I don't think that will translate into a legislative strength. I feel like he'll have to go from being the most liberal Senator contending for the presidency to a moderate, do-nothing President with his tail in between his legs 80% of the time.

I've noticed the similarities between this and the 1976 election, where Ford was the old, crotchety moderate GOP candidate and Jimmy Carter was the out-of-the-box, anti-establishment candidate. This time, it's McCain instead of Ford, and Obama instead of Carter. Likewise, Obama will probably initially be seen as a failure as a President. If he can get his act together and reverse the trend, maybe he'll be able to win a second term. But if the parallels between him and Carter persist, he won't be re-elected, and Mitt Romney-- who is comparable to Ronald Reagan in 1976-- will emerge as the leading Presidential contender in 2012.

we'll see... i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he turns out to be the anti-lobbyist, green-minded, anti-war, pro-universal healthcare candidate he makes himself out to be. it's a better alternative than the same old, white establishment candidate we always get.

The country isn't extremely divided, the politicians in office are extremely divided.

not from where i sit. i've seen politicians use divisive issues to gain support, which leads to division among the populace. taking a religious republican out of the equation would be a big step forward and mending that division and installing a charismatic, ethnic everyman candidate would further help with that mending process. maybe it's all just idealism and false hope, but at this point that's better than the status quo.

[Malice]

If McCain wins in the election...
The Oval Office will have not seen such swear words since Nixon...

McCain is know for a very heated temper.

[The Senator]

we'll see... i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he turns out to be the anti-lobbyist, green-minded, anti-war, pro-universal healthcare candidate he makes himself out to be. it's a better alternative than the same old, white establishment candidate we always get.

He's not pro-universal health care, though. Universal health care means that everyone receives health insurance; Obama's plan doesn't do that.

He's also not anti-lobbyist. He's against donations from lobbyists, but lobbyists chair his campaign in several states and several prominent lobbyists (such as former Sen. Tom Daschle) have endorsed and campaigned for him.

[sinewave]

He's not pro-universal health care, though. Universal health care means that everyone receives health insurance; Obama's plan doesn't do that.

He's also not anti-lobbyist. He's against donations from lobbyists, but lobbyists chair his campaign in several states and several prominent lobbyists (such as former Sen. Tom Daschle) have endorsed and campaigned for him.

maybe i phrased that wrong. he wants affordable healthcare available to everyone, right?

[Malice]

I say lets give everyone plastic surgery too..
Sorry...I am just in a very foul mood..

My apologies to all

[The Senator]

not from where i sit. i've seen politicians use divisive issues to gain support, which leads to division among the populace. taking a religious republican out of the equation would be a big step forward and mending that division and installing a charismatic, ethnic everyman candidate would further help with that mending process. maybe it's all just idealism and false hope, but at this point that's better than the status quo.

Wrong. The country is not as divided on some of these issues as you think. I took the liberty of copying these statistics, which were conducted following the 2004 election.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/stats2004.jpg

Also, People usually don't vote for a candidate because he or she opposes gay marriage, for example. They vote for a candidate who they see best fit as a leader. Most voters don't take the time to read up on a candidate's positions before voting for him or her. That's why President Bush won in 2004. Certainly, the Christian right in some states voted for him because of his religious stances, but 67% of Americans who voted for him did so because they saw him as a better leader than John Kerry.

So, the country isn't divided. The politicians are divided.

[sinewave]

Wrong. The country is not as divided on some of these issues as you think. I took the liberty of copying these statistics, which were conducted following the 2004 election.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v352/Boydx2004/stats2004.jpg

Also, People usually don't vote for a candidate because he or she opposes gay marriage, for example. They vote for a candidate who they see best fit as a leader. Most voters don't take the time to read up on a candidate's positions before voting for him or her. That's why President Bush won in 2004. Certainly, the Christian right in some states voted for him because of his religious stances, but 67% of Americans who voted for him did so because they saw him as a better leader than John Kerry.

So, the country isn't divided. The politicians are divided.

maybe i'm living in a bubble then, because i'm in a "red state" and it's hugely conservative and i see a lot of people who do vote based on "morals", so yeah, from where i sit, there's a division and i'm sick of it. i'm sick of conservative b.s. and their attempts to legislate morality and use that as a way to divide and conquer. what can i say, obama's not the best candidate, or my top pick out of all the dems that ran, but i'd feel more comfortable voting for him than clinton or mccain at this point.

[Matt]

I'm not sure if anyone posted it, but he has made it official. Next comes Huckabee, now that he is done playing spoiler. McCain has won the nomination.

[The Senator]

maybe i'm living in a bubble then, because i'm in a "red state" and it's hugely conservative and i see a lot of people who do vote based on "morals", so yeah, from where i sit, there's a division and i'm sick of it . i'm sick of conservative b.s. and their attempts to legislate morality and use that as a way to divide and conquer. what can i say, obama's not the best candidate, or my top pick out of all the dems that ran, but i'd feel more comfortable voting for him than clinton or mccain at this point.

Then do what I did and move somewhere else.

[EdRyder]

maybe i'm living in a bubble then, because i'm in a "red state" and it's hugely conservative and i see a lot of people who do vote based on "morals", so yeah, from where i sit, there's a division and i'm sick of it. i'm sick of conservative b.s. and their attempts to legislate morality and use that as a way to divide and conquer. what can i say, obama's not the best candidate, or my top pick out of all the dems that ran, but i'd feel more comfortable voting for him than clinton or mccain at this point.

Meh.You're not alone.I think Super Tuesday turnout disproved a great many of the misconceptions out there.
Excluding states that did not have duel party primaries=14,865,735 democratic to 8,929,123 republican.

[The Professor]

maybe i'm living in a bubble then, because i'm in a "red state" and it's hugely conservative and i see a lot of people who do vote based on "morals", so yeah, from where i sit, there's a division and i'm sick of it. i'm sick of conservative b.s. and their attempts to legislate morality and use that as a way to divide and conquer. what can i say, obama's not the best candidate, or my top pick out of all the dems that ran, but i'd feel more comfortable voting for him than clinton or mccain at this point.

I think a lot of people at this point feel the same way.

[sinewave]

Then do what I did and move somewhere else.

i've moved enough in my life and my wife's whole family lives here so we're not moving anytime soon. there's pluses to this area, don't get me wrong, but that's a big negative.

Meh.You're not alone.I think Super Tuesday turnout disproved a great many of the misconceptions out there.
Excluding states that did not have duel party primaries=14,865,735 democratic to 8,929,123 republican.

yep, dem voters finally got out there and put their money where their mouthes are. hopefully it carries over to the general election.

I think a lot of people at this point feel the same way.

i'm sure. i'd love an obama vs. mccain battle in the general election. i'd be ok with either of them winning.

[The Joker]

I can show you, with photographic evidence, why Romney didnt win...

Here's him...

http://www.nypress.com/19/52/news&columns/52Follow-the-Leader.jpg

And here's Christopher Lee as Dracula...

http://www.britfilms.tv/images/news/Chris%20Lee%20dracula.jpg

I rest my case.

[The Senator]

i've moved enough in my life and my wife's whole family lives here so we're not moving anytime soon. there's pluses to this area, don't get me wrong, but that's a big negative.

Makes me more and more thankful for being unable to have children.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I can show you, with photographic evidence, why Romney didnt win...

Here's him...

http://www.nypress.com/19/52/news&columns/52Follow-the-Leader.jpg

And here's Christopher Lee as Dracula...

http://www.britfilms.tv/images/news/Chris%20Lee%20dracula.jpg

I rest my case.

I don't see it to be quite honest. Actually he favors Reagan a slight bit to me. Go figure :confused:

[The Joker]

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2007/07/05/16/506-6web-ROMNEY-2-MCT-861.standalone.prod_affiliate.91.jpg
http://www.thestage.co.uk/images/pics/16807.jpg

How do you not see it?

[The Senator]

...Somehow I don't think voters cared that he looked like Dracula from some obscure remake they didn't see.

[The Joker]

It's subliminal. You can tell just by looking at him that he is indeed the vampiric prince of darkness. Look into his eyes...And I wouldnt call the Hammer movies obscure. There were like 20 of them, and they're still popular today.

[The Senator]

It's subliminal. You can tell just by looking at him that he is indeed the vampiric prince of darkness. Look into his eyes...And I wouldnt call the Hammer movies obscure. There were like 20 of them, and they're still popular today.

I think he looks sexy.

[The Joker]

I think he looks sexy.

Well yeah, that's what the looking into his eye does :o

[The Senator]

Well yeah, that's what the looking into his eye does :o

Or the hair. Definitely the hair, and that jaw.

[Argyle of Sock]

McCain/Romney '08

You heard it here first.... I'd bet my ass that Romney fell on his sword after getting assurances he's be JMC's running mate.

Y'know, I wouldn't doubt that.

[Arkady Rossovich]

With Romney out..McCain is THE choice now.

[sinewave]

Makes me more and more thankful for being unable to have children.

no children, just in-laws with lots of problems. we've got no plans to breed.

It's subliminal. You can tell just by looking at him that he is indeed the vampiric prince of darkness. Look into his eyes...And I wouldnt call the Hammer movies obscure. There were like 20 of them, and they're still popular today.

**** yes. i've got fond memories of those hammer dracula movies with christopher lee from the saturday creature double-feature showcases on tv when i was a kid.

[The Senator]

no children, just in-laws with lots of problems. we've got no plans to breed.


Ah, I see then. Lots of problems as in crazy, or lots of problems as in medical/ financial/ some other reason?

Just curious.

[sinewave]

Ah, I see then. Lots of problems as in crazy, or lots of problems as in medical/ financial/ some other reason?

Just curious.

all of the above... in spades.

[StorminNorman]

The Reason Romney didn't do well on Super Tuesday is because of Mike Huckabee and the fact he is a Mormon.

If Romney wasn't Mormon - he would of won South Carolina, he would of Florida, he would of won Iowa leading to his victory in New Hampshire.

Romney's biggest flaw was his religion and the fact that Huckabee survived long enough to ruin his Super Tuesday.

If Huckabee wasn't in the race - Romney would of won every Southern State, would of won Missouri, etc. etc.

[hippie_hunter]

All I gotta say is WTF :huh:

[Logan Howlett]

And how do you know this?

[Matt]

:wow: Not really that unexpected. The RNC is really going to be pushing for party unity now that McCain has the nomination locked. If Clinton and Obama's feud continues (possibly all the way to the convention) they can get a month to 4 month head start campaigning.

[SuBe]

:wow: Not really that unexpected. The RNC is really going to be pushing for party unity now that McCain has the nomination locked. If Clinton and Obama's feud continues (possibly all the way to the convention) they can get a month to 4 month head start campaigning.
I agree with you, not matter how unfortunate it is.

[hippie_hunter]

Former Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney plans to announce Thursday that he is backing Sen. John McCain in his bid for the Oval Office, two sources familiar with the decision said.

A source familiar with the decision said Romney wants to endorse McCain "in the interest of healing."

The source said Romney also wants to help McCain move faster to "secure the nomination and unite the party for the general election against the Democrats for November."

Romney will "release" his delegates to McCain, meaning he will encourage them to get behind McCain's candidacy. the source said.

The former Massachusetts governor earlier this month suspended his campaign, saying it was in his party's best interest.

Continuing his campaign for the White House would "forestall the launch of a national campaign and be making it easier for Senator [Hillary] Clinton or [Barack] Obama to win."

Romney had collected 286 delegates before he suspended his campaign two weeks ago.

Those delegates would give McCain 1,013 total delegates, 78 short of securing the nomination.

McCain's rival for the nomination, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, presently has 217 delegates, according to CNN estimates.

Romney is expected to announce his endorsement of the senator from Arizona at a news conference from Romney's Boston, Massachusetts, headquarters at 3:30 ET.

A top Romney aide has already called McCain's campaign manager, and McCain, who is campaigning in New England, will join Romney for the announcement.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/romney.mccain/index.html

[Lightning Strykez!]

Whoa! Can't say I saw this coming! :eek:

[Memphis Slim]

There's bad blood from the Romney camp towards Huckabee. I knew he wouldn't endorse him. That whole Mormon thing is still in the air.

And funny thing is that they both match up on the social issues.....

Pro-life
Traditional Marriage

Yet he goes for McCain who supported none of that when he had the chance.

[hippie_hunter]

There's bad blood from the Romney camp towards Huckabee. I knew he wouldn't endorse him. That whole Mormon thing is still in the air.

And funny thing is that they both match up on the social issues.....

Pro-life
Traditional Marriage

Yet he goes for McCain who supported none of that when he had the chance.

Ummm...McCain has one of the strongest pro-life records in the Senate and sees gay marriage as a state issue, he supported the failed Arizona amendment that would have banned gay marriage.

[Raiden]

Whoa! Can't say I saw this coming! :eek:

I'm not too surprised. When Romney decided to suspend his campaign due to, as he put it, "in the best interest of the country", I have a feeling that he might endorse McCain because he thinks it'd help GOP by giving them a clear front-runner while the Dems are still divided over Clinton and Obama.

[Memphis Slim]

Ummm...McCain has one of the strongest pro-life records in the Senate and sees gay marriage as a state issue, he supported the failed Arizona amendment that would have banned gay marriage.



Which lives the the door open for activists judges to make it legal. Why not solidify the issue if you think it's the right thing to do?

[Memphis Slim]

McCain's opposition to a marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution made headlines Jan. 11 when Focus on the Family founder James Dobson said he could not support the Arizona Republican.

"Speaking as a private individual, I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances," Dobson said on the Jerry Johnson Live radio program, which is hosted by Criswell College's president. "... He's not in favor of traditional marriage, and I pray that we won't get stuck with him."

McCain opposed the federal marriage amendment when it came up for a vote in 2004 and 2006, saying each time the issue should be left to the states. In each instance, though, McCain left open the possibility he could support an amendment in the future if the Defense of Marriage Act is struck down as unconstitutional or if federal appeals courts overturn state marriage amendments. (DOMA gives states the option of banning "gay marriage.")

[Memphis Slim]

Roe v. Wade
McCain joined the House in 1983, and became a senator in 1987. During his 17 years in Congress, McCain has usually voted anti-abortion — but for a presidential candidate, that is not the only important data. After all, Al Gore had an 84% pro-life voting record as a member of the House of Representatives (1977-84), but he embraced the entire pro-abortion agenda once he reached the Senate and began to run for president. John McCain is not Al Gore — but the clearest warnings about what a McCain presidency might entail are found in things that McCain has said and done over the past year, since he started running for President in earnest.
One example is what McCain said when he met with the editorial board of the very liberal San Francisco Chronicle on August 19, 1999:
"I'd love to see a point where it (Roe v. Wade) is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."
This was no more mere inartful wording. Rather, McCain actually offered a rationale for opposing repeal of Roe — that it would "force" many women to have dangerous illegal abortions. This, of course, is a very familiar argument, voiced often by politicians who support the continuation of legal abortion. In short, McCain embraced the "necessary evil" thinking of the pro-abortion movement.

[hippie_hunter]

Which lives the the door open for activists judges to make it legal. Why not solidify the issue if you think it's the right thing to do?

Just what is even the big deal about gay marriage in the first place? It really isn't the government's position to do so and discrimination is illegal.

[hippie_hunter]

Roe v. Wade
McCain joined the House in 1983, and became a senator in 1987. During his 17 years in Congress, McCain has usually voted anti-abortion — but for a presidential candidate, that is not the only important data. After all, Al Gore had an 84% pro-life voting record as a member of the House of Representatives (1977-84), but he embraced the entire pro-abortion agenda once he reached the Senate and began to run for president. John McCain is not Al Gore — but the clearest warnings about what a McCain presidency might entail are found in things that McCain has said and done over the past year, since he started running for President in earnest.
One example is what McCain said when he met with the editorial board of the very liberal San Francisco Chronicle on August 19, 1999:
"I'd love to see a point where it (Roe v. Wade) is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."
This was no more mere inartful wording. Rather, McCain actually offered a rationale for opposing repeal of Roe — that it would "force" many women to have dangerous illegal abortions. This, of course, is a very familiar argument, voiced often by politicians who support the continuation of legal abortion. In short, McCain embraced the "necessary evil" thinking of the pro-abortion movement.

- Supports repealing Roe v. Wade
- Voted yes on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions.
- Voted yes on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
- Voted no on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives.
- Voted yes on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime.
- Voted yes on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life.
- Voted yes on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions.
- Voted yes on banning partial birth abortions.
- Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record.

[Superman]

I saw a documentary on PBS last night about Mormons and I never knew just how "different" they are from other christain religions.:wow:

There is no way in hell I'm voting for McCain but I thank the higher power that he is the nominee and that Romney and Huckabee are out of the running.

Those two scare the crap out of me.:wow:

[StorminNorman]

I saw a documentary on PBS last night about Mormons and I never knew just how "different" they are from other christain religions.:wow:

There is no way in hell I'm voting for McCain but I thank the higher power that he is the nominee and that Romney and Huckabee are out of the running.

Those two scare the crap out of me.:wow:

:whatever:
:whatever:
:whatever:

[StorminNorman]

This isn't a shocking move. The fact Romney left the race relatively early was a sign that he cared about unifying the party instead of his own ego.

This is a similar move.

If McCain is smart - he would bring Romney as his VP, in spite of the primaries. It would secure the conservative vote, give him economic credibility AND prevent Obama from making the ridiculous idea of him NOT being a Washington Insider.

[Superman]

:whatever:
:whatever:
:whatever:I take it you have a problem with something I said.

[Venom'sDad]

Romney has just increased his bid for the Vice President of the United States of America. ;)

The Republican Party are beginning to Unify.

Dems better watch out. :)

[Memphis Slim]

I saw a documentary on PBS last night about Mormons and I never knew just how "different" they are from other christain religions.:wow:

There is no way in hell I'm voting for McCain but I thank the higher power that he is the nominee and that Romney and Huckabee are out of the running.

Those two scare the crap out of me.:wow:


They are not a Christian religion. they are a cult of Christianity. They use the name "Jesus". But they have a totally different meaning. They think Satan and Jesus are spirit brothers and they Moromons will become little gods.

That is a far cry from the Christian faith.

[Memphis Slim]

Romney has just increased his bid for the Vice President of the United States of America. ;)


Yep. That's what this is all about.

[SuBe]

They are not a Christian religion. they are a cult of Christianity. They use the name "Jesus". But they have a totally different meaning. They think Satan and Jesus are spirit brothers and they Moromons will become little gods.

That is a far cry from the Christian faith.
Sorry MS, but Mormonism still fits under the "Christian Umbrella", even if you don't like it. They might have slightly different beliefs, like how Catholics have slightly different beliefs than Baptists, they still are Christian.

[Zen]

This isn't a shocking move. The fact Romney left the race relatively early was a sign that he cared about unifying the party instead of his own ego.

This is a similar move.

If McCain is smart - he would bring Romney as his VP, in spite of the primaries. It would secure the conservative vote, give him economic credibility AND prevent Obama from making the ridiculous idea of him NOT being a Washington Insider.

Romney got out when it was obvious He wouldnt win... this was shown on supertuesday and huckabee refusing to drop out.

his smokescreen for dropping is a veiled attempt at admiting defeat... there is no way he could of won after Super T and Huckabee hanging in there.

[Superman]

Sorry MS, but Mormonism still fits under the "Christian Umbrella", even if you don't like it. They might have slightly different beliefs, like how Catholics have slightly different beliefs than Baptists, they still are Christian.Exactly!

[Zen]

I don't know about this whole Romney VP thing... McCain needs a respected well entrenched Conservative as his VP to unify the Republican party... Not romneys endorsement, or as Veep...

Someone like huckabee would have been perfect, but i wonder if his move to stay in the race isn't annoying McCain more then it is displaying that Huck should be Veep.

[Superman]

Romney has just increased his bid for the Vice President of the United States of America. ;)

The Republican Party are beginning to Unify.

Dems better watch out. :)Don't count on it. Did you see that "Endorsement"? That was the coldest press conference I've ever seen. Romney and McCain can't stand each other and it showed.

[SuBe]

I don't know about this whole Romney VP thing... McCain needs a respected well entrenched Conservative as his VP to unify the Republican party... Not romneys endorsement, or as Veep...

Someone like huckabee would have been perfect, but i wonder if his move to stay in the race isn't annoying McCain more then it is displaying that Huck should be Veep.
I heard that John McCain is meeting with John Linder (R-Georgia, Congressman) to Discuss the FairTax. It would, to me, almost seem that McCain and Huckabee spoke off the Record about the FairTax and McCain can't necessarily meet this Huckabee because of the Media. So, he meets with John Linder to learn about the FairTax. Maybe in a few weeks when Huckabee drops out and McCain has had his meeting with Linder we'll hear about McCain taking Huckabee as his VP.

[Memphis Slim]

Sorry MS, but Mormonism still fits under the "Christian Umbrella", even if you don't like it. They might have slightly different beliefs, like how Catholics have slightly different beliefs than Baptists, they still are Christian.


How do they fit?

Slightly different beliefs?

The Bible does not teach that God came to another planet, or that he has a goddess wife, or that we can become gods. In fact, the Bible clearly and definitely contradicts those teachings. But, Mormon Church responds by saying that the Bible is not really trustworthy, that the true faith was lost, and that its leader, Joseph Smith, restored the so-called "true" Christian faith: god from another world, becoming gods, goddess mother, etc. Of course, the Mormon Church's claim is not true.
One question to ask the Mormon Church as a whole is why is it that it does not appoint a representative to publicly debate and answer the challenges of competent Christians who know not only the Bible, but what Mormonism teaches? Why is it that the Mormon Church refuses to have open dialogue and appoint a representative who would attempt to defend the LDS teachings from the Bible? Why does it refuse to do this? I believe it is because it doesn't want to be made to look bad.




So...on what basis are you claiming that they are under the same umbrella?

Again...just because some use the same terminology , does not mean that they believe the same things. Belief is the key. What "meaning" do you pour into that term? Jesus is not God to the Mormons. Protestants and Catholics still believe in the Triune God. They accept Jesus as God. The essential issues are agreed upon by the Catholics and Protestants. Secondary issues we may disagree. But those are not as pivotol as the issues the Mormons bring to the table.

[YsoSerious]

What choice does he have? McCains response: " ...YAWN ! ":o

[SuBe]

How do they fit?

Slightly different beliefs?

The Bible does not teach that God came to another planet, or that he has a goddess wife, or that we can become gods. In fact, the Bible clearly and definitely contradicts those teachings. But, Mormon Church responds by saying that the Bible is not really trustworthy, that the true faith was lost, and that its leader, Joseph Smith, restored the so-called "true" Christian faith: god from another world, becoming gods, goddess mother, etc. Of course, the Mormon Church's claim is not true.
One question to ask the Mormon Church as a whole is why is it that it does not appoint a representative to publicly debate and answer the challenges of competent Christians who know not only the Bible, but what Mormonism teaches? Why is it that the Mormon Church refuses to have open dialogue and appoint a representative who would attempt to defend the LDS teachings from the Bible? Why does it refuse to do this? I believe it is because it doesn't want to be made to look bad.




So...on what basis are you claiming that they are under the same umbrella?

Again...just because some use the same terminology , does not mean that they believe the same things. Belief is the key. What "meaning" do you pour into that term? Jesus is not God to the Mormons. Protestants and Catholics still believe in the Triune God. They accept Jesus as God. The essential issues are agreed upon by the Catholics and Protestants. Secondary issues we may disagree. But those are not as pivotol as the issues the Mormons bring to the table.

Yeah, um... Slim... I like you. But all I Read was blah blah blah. And wondered why I'm reading this...

The Difference between Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, etc is trival when you really think about it. A persons beliefs in the Religous Territory doesn't change a Persons Actions. And that is how we should judge them.

Romney fully understood the Economy but he Doesn't Support the FairTax. He never had by vote because of it.

[StorminNorman]

I take it you have a problem with something I said.

Disqualifying a candidate because he is a Mormon is stupid.

[StorminNorman]

They are not a Christian religion. they are a cult of Christianity. They use the name "Jesus". But they have a totally different meaning. They think Satan and Jesus are spirit brothers and they Moromons will become little gods.

That is a far cry from the Christian faith.

The morals are the same.

The mythology is different.

In the end isn't it the daily practices of the people that REALLY matter?

[SuBe]

The morals are the same.

The mythology is different.

In the end isn't it the daily practices of the people that REALLY matter?
Agreed. 100%.

[StorminNorman]

Romney got out when it was obvious He wouldnt win... this was shown on supertuesday and huckabee refusing to drop out.

his smokescreen for dropping is a veiled attempt at admiting defeat... there is no way he could of won after Super T and Huckabee hanging in there.

...obviously.

But its better for the party for candidates to stop campaigning after its clear a nominee has been crowned. Huckabee refuses to do that, a sign he won't be VP.

While I will not say Romney has a good shot at the VP seat, McCain SHOULD pick him.

[Zen]

Disqualifying a candidate because he is a Mormon is stupid.

I'm not sure his comment on Mormonism being different was directly tied to him saying he wouldnt vote for him, i think it was just in the same post.

least thats how i read it
:huh:

[StorminNorman]

I don't know about this whole Romney VP thing... McCain needs a respected well entrenched Conservative as his VP to unify the Republican party... Not romneys endorsement, or as Veep...

Someone like huckabee would have been perfect, but i wonder if his move to stay in the race isn't annoying McCain more then it is displaying that Huck should be Veep.

McCain needs a respected Conservative you say?

Well...Romney was the Conservative candidate after Thompson.

Perfect...?

[Zen]

...obviously.

But its better for the party for candidates to stop campaigning after its clear a nominee has been crowned. Huckabee refuses to do that, a sign he won't be VP.

While I will not say Romney has a good shot at the VP seat, McCain SHOULD pick him.

do you think huckabee staying in the race worsens his chance of getting the VP or better displays that he should be the choice?

[Zen]

McCain needs a respected Conservative you say?

Well...Romney was the Conservative candidate after Thompson.

Perfect...?

McCain thompson...

im not sure why, but i never thought of that... Thompson could be perfect :wow:

but i think Huckabee coould be a help to McCain as well

[StorminNorman]

I'm not sure his comment on Mormonism being different was directly tied to him saying he wouldnt vote for him, i think it was just in the same post.

least thats how i read it
:huh:

You may be right I read:

I saw a documentary on PBS last night about Mormons and I never knew just how "different" they are from other christain religions.:wow:

There is no way in hell I'm voting for McCain but I thank the higher power that he is the nominee and that Romney and Huckabee are out of the running.

Those two scare the crap out of me.:wow:

As meaning "those two" scared him because of religion.

Huckaboo being a Preacher, Romney being a Mormon.

If that is not correct, then I reduce my :whatever: to one at the idea of Romney being president to be a scary notion :D

[StorminNorman]

do you think huckabee staying in the race worsens his chance of getting the VP or better displays that he should be the choice?

Yes. If Huckabee was all set to join the Goodship McCain - he would of jumped aboard when Romney did.

[StorminNorman]

McCain thompson...

im not sure why, but i never thought of that... Thompson could be perfect :wow:

In theory its not bad.

But then you look at them...

Old, white, unattractive, old (it needs to be stressed) candidates.

Running that ticket against Obama isn't a great idea.

Now an attractive candidate like Romney who is a fantastic speaker would be a far better pick.

[hippie_hunter]

Now an attractive candidate like Romney who is a fantastic speaker would be a far better pick.

Well Romney is a hansome man.

[StorminNorman]

Well Romney is a hansome man.

Thats exactly the point I was making...

sadly enough :(

His hair would increase the vote 3 points.

[Superman]

Disqualifying a candidate because he is a Mormon is stupid. I'm disqualifying all of them because they are conservatives. After the past 8 years of conservative rule I think we've had enough.

[StorminNorman]

I'm disqualifying all of them because they are conservatives. After the past 8 years of conservative rule I think we've had enough.

Then I misunderstood the point you were making about Romney.

Also, we haven't had conservative rule for the past 8 years.

[Superman]

Then I misunderstood the point you were making about Romney.

Also, we haven't had conservative rule for the past 8 years.Tell that to Bush, McCain and the rest of the Right Wiing gang. It sure as hell wasn't a liberal in the White House these past 8 years.

[SuBe]

Tell that to Bush, McCain and the rest of the Right Wiing gang. It sure as hell wasn't a liberal in the White House these past 8 years.
We've had a Liberal Majority in Congress that last 2 years.

[Superman]

We've had a Liberal Majority in Congress that last 2 years.Barely. It's hardly a majority when you can't stop the Right from filabustering{sp?} or you can't override a veto.

[rdh007]

Tell that to Bush, McCain and the rest of the Right Wiing gang. It sure as hell wasn't a liberal in the White House these past 8 years.
I believe the point he was making was that Bushco. hasn't truly been conservative, as evidenced (in my opinion, perhaps not Stormin's) by the fact that they've made the government bigger and spent more money than any government in our history. The worst part (again, imo not SN's) is that they didn't raise taxes, they just decided that we'd go farther in debt.

[Raiden]

We've had a Liberal Majority in Congress that last 2 years.

After 6 years of a rubber-stamp Congress, it is refreshing to have a Congress that doesn't ask "How high?" when Bush told them to jump. However, Dems' majority wasn't enough to do much of anything, since Bush vetoes often and they can't override it. Hopefully Dems will get a better majority after this election.

[StorminNorman]

I believe the point he was making was that Bushco. hasn't truly been conservative, as evidenced (in my opinion, perhaps not Stormin's) by the fact that they've made the government bigger and spent more money than any government in our history. The worst part (again, imo not SN's) is that they didn't raise taxes, they just decided that we'd go farther in debt.

:up:

[Arkady Rossovich]

Malice is sad by this news.

[The Senator]

This was interesting, but like it's been mentioned, it wasn't unexpected. Romney wants to leave this race with dignity, and doesn't want to be the proponent of infighting between social conservatives and whatever type of conservative John McCain is painting himself as. If he presents himself as trying to divide the party, he may end up losing credibility within the GOP which would effectively harm any political future he may have. Romney will probably not go beyond endorsing McCain, though. I don't see McCain picking Romney as his VP, or Romney accepting the offer, simply because I think Romney wants to seek the Presidency on his own in four years. Besides a stirring convention speech, I think this may be the last we see of Mitt Romney during this campaign.