South Carolina Republican Primary [Archive] - The Superhero Hype! Boards

hippie_hunter

01-19-2008, 07:28 PM

Ooh, with 21 votes counted, John McCain leads with 8, Ron Paul is second with 7, and Mike Huckabee is third with 6.

These people really need to wait until at least 1% of the votes are counted to talk about this.

At least it's now updated with McCain leading with 1,055, followed by Huckabee with 886, Romney with 608, Thompson with 364, Paul with 124, and Giuliani with 116.

Byrd Man

01-19-2008, 07:29 PM

At least it's now updated with McCain leading with 1,055, followed by Huckabee with 886, Romney with 608, Thompson with 364, Paul with 124, and Giuliani with 116.

Damn. I thought my vote might have counted. :csad:

hippie_hunter

01-19-2008, 07:30 PM

5% reporting:

McCain - 36%
Huckabee - 28%
Romney - 16%
Thompson - 13%
Paul - 4%
Giuliani 3%

The Senator

01-19-2008, 07:31 PM

McCain I could live with. As long as Huckabee doesn't win, I'm fine. :up:

Agreed. McCain, in my opinion, is the only acceptable Republican currently running.

hippie_hunter

01-19-2008, 07:31 PM

Damn. I thought my vote might have counted. :csad:

Who did you vote for?

Byrd Man

01-19-2008, 07:32 PM

Who did you vote for?

John "Holy Moley" McCain

hippie_hunter

01-19-2008, 07:33 PM

John "Holy Moley" McCain

From the looks of it, your vote did count. It's still pretty close between McCain and Huckabee because less than 1% of precincts have reported.

The Senator

01-19-2008, 08:01 PM

Thank you, Professor Thompson, for your wonderful lecture on the Constitution and what democracy means. Will this be on the test?

I hope he's dropping out...

The Senator

01-19-2008, 08:06 PM

Nope! Just eight minutes of mumbo-jumbo, and nothing else.

Fred Thompson is the laziest, most stubborn candidate ever.

MaskedManJRK

01-19-2008, 08:13 PM

Thank you, Professor Thompson, for your wonderful lecture on the Constitution and what democracy means. Will this be on the test?

I hope he's dropping out...

I didn't catch it--what did he say?

The Senator

01-19-2008, 08:23 PM

I didn't catch it--what did he say?

He spent roughly eight minutes talking about the constitution and why our country was founded. Then he discussed why Reagan was awesome, why big government is bad bad bad, and why his supporters should continue to fight 'the good fight.'

Rumor had it he was dropping out; instead, he just babbled on and on, not indicating what his plans were. No announcement that he was leaving the race, no announcement that he was heading on to Florida... it was just a long, muddled mess of confusion, just like his campaign.

Byrd Man

01-19-2008, 08:26 PM

he just babbled on and on, not indicating what his plans were. No announcement that he was leaving the race, no announcement that he was heading on to Florida... it was just a long, muddled mess of confusion.

Sounds like he's trying to appeal to the gray hairs in Florida.

The Senator

01-19-2008, 08:28 PM

UGH...

The goddamn Olympic metaphors need to stop.

Chris B

01-19-2008, 10:00 PM

Looks like John McCain has won it.

\S/JcDc\S/

01-19-2008, 10:03 PM

Very close race. A lot of people pegged Huckabee for third in this one :o

rdh007

01-19-2008, 10:05 PM

That was before Romney decided to win Nevada.

teseract

01-19-2008, 10:08 PM

Looks like John McCain has won it.

Excellent

ShadowBoxing

01-19-2008, 10:10 PM

Looks like the final may be 30% (29% depending on the station) for Huck, and 33% for McCain. I don't know that McCain can keep this momentum going as he's shown pretty poorly out west.

The Senator

01-19-2008, 10:13 PM

Looks like the final may be 30% (29% depending on the station) for Huck, and 33% for McCain. I don't know that McCain can keep this momentum going as he's shown pretty poorly out west.

I think he'll win Florida. He's winning New York and California, and tied with Rudy in New Jersey. All four of those states are rich in delegates, and if he wins those... he'll be on track to win this whole thing, which I think he will do.

It also falls in line with Republican traditions. The perceived front runner, despite any downturns his campaign may face, always wins the nomination. It happened from Nixon's first bid onward, and I don't see why it would change this time, especially following his victories in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

\S/JcDc\S/

01-19-2008, 10:17 PM

So everyone seems to think Mccain will beat out Giuliani for Florida now?

The Senator

01-19-2008, 10:20 PM

So everyone seems to think Mccain will beat out Giuliani for Florida now?

Yes. Giuliani royally screwed himself over by not participating in at least one early state. Now, McCain and Romney have overshadowed him the week before a contest in a state which should have been handed to him. His campaign has become a real mess-- in a sense, worse than Thompson's, which is like comparing the Titanic to the Hindenburg.

Chris B

01-19-2008, 10:23 PM

I really do think that if he is the Republican nominee, John McCain will be the next President.

The Senator

01-19-2008, 10:25 PM

I really do think that if he is the Republican nominee, John McCain will be the next President.

And I wouldn't have a huge problem with him, to be honest. I will vote for the Democrat; but I could live with a McCain presidency, especially since-- and this is a rumor spreading around this great city-- he'd only be in it for one term.

ShadowBoxing

01-19-2008, 10:25 PM

I think he'll win Florida. He's winning New York and California, and tied with Rudy in New Jersey. All four of those states are rich in delegates, and if he wins those... he'll be on track to win this whole thing, which I think he will do.

It also falls in line with Republican traditions. The perceived front runner, despite any downturns his campaign may face, always wins the nomination. It happened from Nixon's first bid onward, and I don't see why it would change this time, especially following his victories in New Hampshire and South Carolina.
That's just it, he isn't the perceived frontrunner. He's only won two states, to Romney's three and Huckabee's one, and he is third in the amount of delegates he's picked up. McCain, Romney and Guiliani are pretty much statistically tied with him in Florida. It's seems like the Republican party actually has no perceived frontrunner at this point.

The Senator

01-19-2008, 10:27 PM

That's just it, he isn't the perceived frontrunner. He's only won two states, to Romney's three and Huckabee's one, and he is third in the amount of delegates he's picked up. McCain, Romney and Guiliani are pretty much statistically tied with him in Florida. It's seems like the Republican party actually has no perceived frontrunner at this point.

I'm talking about way back. In 2005 and through March of 2007, he was the perceived frontrunner. Then his campaign almost imploded.

The same thing happened to Reagan in 1980, George H.W. Bush in 1988, Bob Dole in 1996, and George W. Bush in 2000. They've all had big challenges, and a resulting cluster**** to win the nomination... and the frontrunner always came back for a win. Look at the history of the Republican Party, from Nixon in 1968 onwards. It's quite fascinating.

Chris B

01-19-2008, 10:27 PM

And I wouldn't have a huge problem with him, to be honest. I will vote for the Democrat; but I could live with a McCain presidency, especially since-- and this is a rumor spreading around this great city-- he'd only be in it for one term.

I wouldn't really be against it either. I'm an Edwards supporter who isn't that enthused with either Hillary or Obama. The way things are going, I'd rather wait until 2012 where Mark Warner would hopefully be elected President.

hippie_hunter

01-19-2008, 10:38 PM

93% reporting:

McCain - 33% (WINNER)
Huckabee - 30%
Thompson - 16%
Romney - 15%
Paul - 4%
Giuliani - 2%

hippie_hunter

01-19-2008, 10:46 PM

That's just it, he isn't the perceived frontrunner. He's only won two states, to Romney's three and Huckabee's one, and he is third in the amount of delegates he's picked up. McCain, Romney and Guiliani are pretty much statistically tied with him in Florida. It's seems like the Republican party actually has no perceived frontrunner at this point.

Huckabee is out of the frontrunner status. South Carolina was his make it or break it state. He's done.

Romney's victories in Wyoming and Nevada were overshadowed by McCain's victories in New Hampshire and South Carolina. The only major victory Romney has had was in Michigan.

Giuliani has pretty much killed his campaign by just concentrating on Florida. If he doesn't win this state, he'll end up like Huckabee which is now very likely to happen. He also relied too much on 9-11. He tried some other tactics but it was too little, too late.

So right now the frontrunner is McCain with serious competition from Romney.

ShadowBoxing

01-19-2008, 11:16 PM

Giuliani has pretty much killed his campaign by just concentrating on Florida. If he doesn't win this state, he'll end up like Huckabee which is now very likely to happen. He also relied too much on 9-11. He tried some other tactics but it was too little, too late.

I dunno, a lot of analysts are now saying many of the people who would've voted for Romney and Huck are now predicted to shift to Guiliani. The funny thing is if Guiliani wins Florida hypothetically that will fragment the party quite a bit.

teseract

01-20-2008, 12:03 AM

Huckabee is out of the frontrunner status. South Carolina was his make it or break it state. He's done.

Wonderfull, best news of the day!

The Senator

01-20-2008, 12:06 AM

Wonderfull, best news of the day!

Best news of the day?? Best news of the century!

:oldrazz:

StorminNorman

01-20-2008, 03:40 AM

I dunno, a lot of analysts are now saying many of the people who would've voted for Romney and Huck are now predicted to shift to Guiliani. The funny thing is if Guiliani wins Florida hypothetically that will fragment the party quite a bit.

Huckabee supporters will probably shift to Guiliani. I don't see Romney losing support after his victory in Nevada. If anything - his numbers may inch slightly up.

The key, IMO, is Thompson voters. If Thompson leaves the race - I think Romney and McCain benefit. Thompson will probably back McCain leading many voters to that side. IMO, though, most Thompson supporters care more about issues than candidates (which is why there were backing an obvious dud) and will probably back Romney given his stance on Immigration.

McCain-Kennedy may end up hurting the Senator.

This is, please understand, not based off of personal bias (un-like a lot of my Romney remarks I will (and have) make. This comes from interaction with Thompson supporters who whole Sen. Thompson their "safe" vote and Romney their secondary candidate. I would estimate of the Thompson supporters I have met in person and online (some of them my own parents) - this seemed to be a very popular stand.

Memphis Slim

01-20-2008, 07:49 AM

Huckabee is out of the frontrunner status. South Carolina was his make it or break it state. He's done.

Romney's victories in Wyoming and Nevada were overshadowed by McCain's victories in New Hampshire and South Carolina. The only major victory Romney has had was in Michigan.

Giuliani has pretty much killed his campaign by just concentrating on Florida. If he doesn't win this state, he'll end up like Huckabee which is now very likely to happen. He also relied too much on 9-11. He tried some other tactics but it was too little, too late.

So right now the frontrunner is McCain with serious competition from Romney.

Huck's not necessarily done .....he's still got the second most delegates over-all then McCain. McCain is still in 3rd place.

hippie_hunter

01-20-2008, 11:41 AM

Huck's not necessarily done .....he's still got the second most delegates over-all then McCain. McCain is still in 3rd place.
Huckabee needed to win South Carolina to get much needed momentum and money. Now he won't get either. He'll be seen as a one trick pony who has only pandered to the evangellicals who ignored everyone else. He won't win any remaining states.

StorminNorman

01-20-2008, 01:05 PM

Huck's not necessarily done .....he's still got the second most delegates over-all then McCain. McCain is still in 3rd place.

Huckabee is done.

It has little to do with the whopping twenty something delegates he has - his future depended on him closing the South to Romney and McCain and he failed.

teseract

01-20-2008, 02:19 PM

Huckabee is done.

It has little to do with the whopping twenty something delegates he has - his future depended on him closing the South to Romney and McCain and he failed.
And that's good, Mc Cain is acceptable, even Ron Paul is acceptable, Romney, I don't know but I know one thing. Huckabee is Unacceptable! As long as he is out things are good.

The Senator

01-20-2008, 03:58 PM

I think McCain and Romney are the two Presidents who would be tolerable. I dislike both of them for their political views, but I could tolerate those two for a few years.

I'll pass on Huckabee and Paul, though I'm most concerned about the former for some of the reasons mentioned in other threads, so I won't get into it.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, bothers me a lot. For a Libertarian, he sure has come out and campaigned against abortion and gay rights. Plus, eliminating the Department of Education, going back to the gold standard (way to be a hundred years late on that one)... it all seems like silly things to run on, if you ask me.

What are the two things everyone seems to like about him? He wants to end the War in Iraq and decriminalize most illegal substances. That's why he has such a large college following. College students who oppose the war and want to drink teh vodka and smokes teh weed all the time on campus support him simply for his stances on those issues; nothing more. It's kind of mind-boggling, to me.

(Not to mention that both parties hate his kind of politics, and he'd never get anything done; but the chances of him winning aren't realistic, so I'll skip that whole argument)

LuiECuomo

01-20-2008, 05:00 PM

Well said, jman. I absolutely LOATHE college students who support candidates primarily on his or her stance on decriminalizing marijuana. It's people like that who don't even deserve to be in college in the first place.

rdh007

01-20-2008, 08:26 PM

Note the date from the NY Times website archive:

IN GREAT DREAD OF SILVER; McKINLEY TALKS OF A PHASE OF THE FINANCIAL SITUATION. Shows How Business and Municipal Projects Are Held in Abeyance for Lack of Confidence on the Part of Investors -- Money Tied Up Through Fear that the Repudia- tionists May Triumph -- Condition That Distresses Labor.
October 1, 1896, Wednesday

cookiva

01-20-2008, 08:32 PM

Huckabee supporters will probably shift to Guiliani. I don't see Romney losing support after his victory in Nevada. If anything - his numbers may inch slightly up.

Giuliani in no way is like Huckabee. Why would they shift....?

Matt

01-20-2008, 11:48 PM

Giuliani in no way is like, Huckabee. Why would they shift....?

Agreed. Giuliani supporters would likely split between McCain and Romney.

StorminNorman

01-21-2008, 12:10 AM

Giuliani in no way is like, Huckabee. Why would they shift....?

Agreed. Giuliani supporters would likely split between McCain and Romney.

I am chalking up that incredibly absurd comment to the fact that I was under the influence :o

hippie_hunter

01-21-2008, 12:45 AM

Agreed. Giuliani supporters would likely split between McCain and Romney.

I think they'll most likely back McCain. McCain represents the security aspects that Giuliani has promoted so very often.

The Senator

01-21-2008, 12:56 AM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/20/norris-mccain-may-be-too-old-for-the-white-house/

Anyone else think Chuck Norris should go away? Chuck Norris is in no position to call McCain 'too old' for anything, considering he's only four/ five years younger than him.

rdh007

01-21-2008, 08:11 AM

McCain's a little older than I find ideal, but perhaps if he'd won in 2000...
While we're on the subject of useless characteristics of the candidates, does anyone else find Huckabee unpalatable because of his wife? I mean, McCain's wife clearly has had several plastic surgery-type procedures done, but at least she's okay to look at.

For clarity:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/ldubeleventy7/McCain-feat-Nav-de.jpghttp://www.aetn.org/election2002/assets/images/jhuckabee1.jpg

Matt

01-21-2008, 10:41 AM

Meh, if we can handle Barbara Bush I'm sure we can handle the ugly Mrs. Huckabee.

rdh007

01-21-2008, 11:24 AM

I thought that was a George Washington look alike he kept with him? Of course, the joke was on everyone when he slapped Paris Carver on the hindside.
dJZoai2HIeA

Venom'sDad

01-21-2008, 12:14 PM

Huckabee supporters will probably shift to Guiliani. I don't see Romney losing support after his victory in Nevada. If anything - his numbers may inch slightly up.

The key, IMO, is Thompson voters. If Thompson leaves the race - I think Romney and McCain benefit. Thompson will probably back McCain leading many voters to that side. IMO, though, most Thompson supporters care more about issues than candidates (which is why there were backing an obvious dud) and will probably back Romney given his stance on Immigration.

McCain-Kennedy may end up hurting the Senator.

This is, please understand, not based off of personal bias (un-like a lot of my Romney remarks I will (and have) make. This comes from interaction with Thompson supporters who whole Sen. Thompson their "safe" vote and Romney their secondary candidate. I would estimate of the Thompson supporters I have met in person and online (some of them my own parents) - this seemed to be a very popular stand.

If Thompson leave, his supporters will move towards Romney, regardless of Thompson endorsement of McCain. A few will go to McCain, but not enough to make a difference. Also a few will go to RudyG as well.

RudyG & hillary will lead the country exactly where the majority desire to go.... an European Style Socialist System.

hippie_hunter

01-21-2008, 12:33 PM

If Thompson leave, his supporters will move towards Romney, regardless of Thompson endorsement of McCain. A few will go to McCain, but not enough to make a difference. Also a few will go to RudyG as well.

RudyG & hillary will lead the country exactly where the majority desire to go.... an European Style Socialist System.

If Thompson left and endorsed McCain, his supporters would go towards McCain. They aren't going to go towards Romney (a former supporter of abortion) or Giuliani (a rather "liberal" Republican). Thompson's candidacy popped up because some people wanted a clear conservative choice and they stuck with him for some reason. If he said, vote for McCain, most of his supporters would go to support McCain because of Thompson's endorsement and the fact that out of the big three, McCain is actually the most conservative.

He's fiscally conservative. He's anti-abortion and always was. He's a Christian. He supports the Second Amendment for the most part. He's a supporter of states rights. Etc.

And shut up about the retarded "Americans want a European styled socialist system" crap. It makes you look like a right wing loony and that is blatantly false. Most Americans DO NOT want a European style of life.

Venom'sDad

01-21-2008, 12:48 PM

The Senator

01-21-2008, 12:56 PM

^^^ Most do want it, and ignoring that fact wont make it untrue. BTW, lol, a right-winger...

Anyway, no they wont vote McCain because Thompson says so; this is not Samie Says. Thompson supporters are few first of all, and most will support Romney because 1st, he's a businessman, 2nd, because of immigration, tax, trade, and military support(which he shares with McCain), 3rd, dare I say it, he looks Presidential with the hair and all, McCain looks like he's ready to croak(that's the point that Chuck Norris was trying to make and a huge percentage of Repubs/Cons do think that way).

Most of you completely ignore the dynamics of politics and are missing the subtle pulse of the nation.

Um... no, you're wrong. Most Democrats want it. But most Americans don't want us to turn into a socialized state.

Of course, I'm a political science major, an international relations minor, have worked for members of the House of Representatives, the Senate, an NGO, and volunteered on two Senate campaigns and a Presidential campaign.

Nope, I know nothing of politics or the pulse of the nation, considering, you know, I analyze polls and research data on a daily basis.

cookiva

01-21-2008, 12:59 PM

Jman is right. I want it, but the majority of the US doesnt....

rdh007

01-21-2008, 02:35 PM

2007/2008 Human Development Index Rankings:
Iceland
Norway
Australia
Canada
Ireland
Sweden
Switzerland
Japan
Netherlands
France
Finland
United States

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

I would submit that thinking we should go to a more Euro-style is not without merit. I count three (four if you count Iceland) countries in the top eleven that aren't in Europe. We're twelfth place! Woo-hoo!

The Senator

01-21-2008, 03:48 PM

The Human Development Report Office measures life expectancy, literacy and education, and the standard of living. It doesn't measure the extent at which liberal ideas or socialized programs factor into a country's overall living.

Also, twelfth place isn't bad.

StorminNorman

01-21-2008, 03:59 PM