The Dennis Kucinich Thread

[MaskedManJRK]

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/24/1252597-kucinich-abandons-white-house-bid

...And there goes the only canidate I actually liked. :csad:

[hippie_hunter]

Now if only Gravel and Edwards drop out. It's such a waste of time for them, it's a two way race between Obama and Clinton.

[Matt]

Edwards is staying in for Clinton. If he leaves, most of his votes go to Obama. I'm guessing Hillary has promised him either the Attorney General or VP position should she win the presidency.

[Matt]

As for Kucinich, I used to be a huge fan. I've given money to his campaigns. Never again. He has spent his entire career fighting for the working man and speaking out against free trade. The second he gave Obama, a vocal supporter of FTAs with several South American countries his delegates, I lost all respect for him.

[Arkady Rossovich]

This is to be expected. More like this will happen soon.

[Mr Sparkle]

As for Kucinich, I used to be a huge fan. I've given money to his campaigns. Never again. He has spent his entire career fighting for the working man and speaking out against free trade. The second he gave Obama, a vocal supporter of FTAs with several South American countries his delegates, I lost all respect for him.

you mistakenly think these go hand in hand.

[ShadowBoxing]

As for Kucinich, I used to be a huge fan. I've given money to his campaigns. Never again. He has spent his entire career fighting for the working man and speaking out against free trade. The second he gave Obama, a vocal supporter of FTAs with several South American countries his delegates, I lost all respect for him.
I was surprised by this as well. I mean what was he trying to accomplish, screw over Hillary maybe:huh: . I don't know. I always saw him as an issues candidate, so it's a bit of a shock to see him go against his issues when backing another.

[Lobo]

Edwards is staying in for Clinton. If he leaves, most of his votes go to Obama. I'm guessing Hillary has promised him either the Attorney General or VP position should she win the presidency.
Agreed I think she offered him the vp spot should she be the nominee

[The Senator]

Silly Dennis, elves can't be president!

[Matt]

you mistakenly think these go hand in hand.

They do. FTAs kill jobs for the middle class in America. Furthermore, with Kucinich they definitely go hand in hand. Go to any of his speeches. 85 % of the speech will talk about how free trade is killing the middle class. For him to give Obama his delegates is a spit in the face to everyone he has ever told that to and everyone he claims to be fighting for.

[cookiva]

They do. FTAs kill jobs for the middle class in America. Furthermore, with Kucinich they definitely go hand in hand. Go to any of his speeches. 85 % of the speech will talk about how free trade is killing the middle class. For him to give Obama his delegates is a spit in the face to everyone he has ever told that to and everyone he claims to be fighting for.


Reason why Edwards jumped up in my book, but even he is annoying me becoming Clinton's lapdog.

[Matt]

Reason why Edwards jumped up in my book, but even he is annoying me becoming Clinton's lapdog.

He is annoying me too. :csad:

[Mr Sparkle]

They do. FTAs kill jobs for the middle class in America. Furthermore, with Kucinich they definitely go hand in hand. Go to any of his speeches. 85 % of the speech will talk about how free trade is killing the middle class. For him to give Obama his delegates is a spit in the face to everyone he has ever told that to and everyone he claims to be fighting for.

well, then also Kucinich is incorrect, but my post was directed at you and your misconception.
free trade is not killing "jobs for the middle class" ironically enough capitalism is doing that, regardless of free trade, that's the thing, FTA's aside "free market" is the one responsible for the happenings and goings on.
the why?
profit.
the how?
capitalism.
that's about it.
you could MAKE certain industries establish plants and offices in the US and generate jobs, but that's not free market is it?
you could TAX some industries to kind of bully them back, but again, that would be against free market.
( well, the appearance of free market anyway.)

[Matt]

Does it matter? Perfect free markets are as impractical as socialism. Both are destined to be exploited and fail. Government intervention in the market is necessary at times.

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm not disputing that at all.
nor am I saying the "free market" mentality is correct ( I actually believe otherwise) what I am saying is that "Free Trade" is not blame, the culprit is in fact, free market economy.

[Captain Planet!]

Dang, no one will be of Hobbit descent in this years race? :csad:

[Memphis Slim]

http://www.radarmagazine.com/features/Dennis-Kucinich-72810358_10.jpg
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[Mr Sparkle]

Deep analysis there Cell-diggity.

[hippie_hunter]

I actually found that post to be enjoyable. Kucinich is creepy like that.

[Duende Verde]

He can go back to being a magical elf-jockey.:up:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j144/duende_verde/jockeys1.jpg

[Mr Sparkle]

I actually found that post to be enjoyable. Kucinich is creepy like that.

Creepy to you, to the ladies? he's the magical elf of love:heart::heart::heart::heart:

[ShadowBoxing]

I'm not disputing that at all.
nor am I saying the "free market" mentality is correct ( I actually believe otherwise) what I am saying is that "Free Trade" is not blame, the culprit is in fact, free market economy.
That point is immaterial. We don't have an entirely free market economy in this country.

[Memphis Slim]

I actually found that post to be enjoyable. Kucinich is creepy like that.
http://popculturewilleatitself.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/gazoo.jpghttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:qzFQxakKRh0V8M:http://z.about.com/d/usforeignpolicy/1/0/C/1/-/-/DennisKucinichPeterMacdiarmid300.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://z.about.com/d/usforeignpolicy/1/0/C/1/-/-/DennisKucinichPeterMacdiarmid300.jpg&imgrefurl=http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/od/2008presidentialrace/ig/2008-Presidential-Candidates/Congressman-Dennis-Kucinich.htm&h=300&w=286&sz=57&hl=en&start=12&um=1&tbnid=qzFQxakKRh0V8M:&tbnh=116&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddennis%2Bkucinich%26svnum%3D10%26um%3 D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4RNWN_enUS210US211%26sa%3DN )

Ol' Dennis "DID" see the UFO..........

BECAUSE HE WAS FLYING IT!!! http://bibleforums.org/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

[Mr Sparkle]

That point is immaterial. We don't have an entirely free market economy in this country.

oh, here we go again.:o
you do have "capitalism" don't you?
like I said, that's the how.
and the why is profit.
since you happen to have BOTH in the US seems to me the point is rather important actually.

[MaskedManJRK]

I actually found that post to be enjoyable. Kucinich is creepy like that.

True--but what's amazing is that he could look like a Hobbit, and yet be able to land a babe like Elizabeth. :wow:

Either her standards on looks are low or he's hiding something that's got her crazy. :o

[ShadowBoxing]

oh, here we go again.:o
Yep, you shooting from the hip.:o I'm assuming you have a doctorate in economics and Politics too.
you do have "capitalism" don't you?
In. Name. Only. Yes, we have a "capital" based economy. We have capitalism in the sense that we don't have communism, but capitalist societies aren't supposed to have minimum wage, benefits, unions, anti-trust laws, etc. etc. You're confusing capitalism in theory with capitalism in practice.
like I said, that's the how.
and the why is profit.
That's like an autopsy report saying "mortality" was the cause of death.
since you happen to have BOTH in the US seems to me the point is rather important actually.
Matt incidentally is right.

Yes we have "capitalism", a restricted and Government regulated form of capitalism. Many of the reasons jobs are shipped overseas is because the Government, not the economy, encourages it. If it were simply a matter of profits and loses a business, any business would much rather operate in the homeland and not overseas because of all the expendatures that go into such an operation. My Dad owns and runs a fairly large business, stationed here in the United States, however it's not nearly large enough to run overseas like say an Auto manufacturer might. Those business get tax breaks from our Government, sometimes even get subsidies for promoting free trade, get to free themselves from regulation, tons of Government oversight and all the things they wouldn't have in free market economy.

Kucinich is right, his enemy is free trade, not the "free economy" which doesn't exist in this country anyways. If we had a "free economy" that was capitalism in a purer form the wages here would simply adjust to fit what the market demanded. Free trade is the Government using our economy to help boost the economies of other nations by actively promoting businesses seeking to expand outside our boarders.

Kucinich is NOT getting my vote, however, because he is short sighted. Our economy is organic, it evolves, much like it has in the past from largely agricultural society all the way into an information and tech based economy. Yes, you could save a lot of jobs by stiffling free trade, especially the auto workers who Kucinich desperately wants to help although in three or four decades that's not really going to matter much as those jobs will have be replaced with a brand new economy seeking new and better (or differently) educated individuals.

[Mr Sparkle]

Yep, you shooting from the hip.:o I'm assuming you have a doctorate in economics and Politics too.

no, you trying to earn your debating Merit badge, sadly again, you're speaking from zealousness and no actual knowledge.

Matt incidentally is right.

well, now that he has YOUR endorsement, I guess I can't argue with that.
I mean, that's really important isn't it?:huh:

Yes we have "capitalism", a restricted and Government regulated form of capitalism. Many of the reasons jobs are shipped overseas is because the Government, not the economy,
encourages it.

really?
hmm, I'm anxious to hear this...

If it were simply a matter of profits and loses a business, any business would much rather operate in the homeland and not overseas because of all the expendatures that go into such an operation.
My Dad owns and runs a fairly large business, stationed here in the United States, however it's not nearly large enough to run overseas like say an Auto manufacturer might. Those business get tax breaks from our Government, sometimes even get subsidies for promoting free trade, get to free themselves from regulation, tons of Government oversight and all the things they wouldn't have in free market economy.

not to sound like a snob or anything, but hey, when you're trying to sound smart and use different words than those you would use colloquially ( all the time and stuff, in informal situations) please make sure you don't misspell them it's "expenditures" It's my second language and I know it, you have no excuse.
secondly, you're operating from assumption not actual knowledge which is weird given the fact that you're a poli-sci dude (not an economics dude, but whatever) the actual "expenditures" for running a business outside the country is far outweighed by the fact that if you set up shop in a third world country like say....Mexico, you can run 3 plants (offices, factories, what have you) on the same money you would 1 in the states, simply based upon the fact that factory jobs are low pay/low skill.
second, you circumvent the workers unions and are able to operate on much different principals than businesses in the US, while companies like wal mart already do this IN the states, it's not as widespread as in Mexico, I've talked to some of the people that work in these plants and businesses and it's harsh, god only knows how places like India or China operate.
so it IS very much a cost/benefit analysis that triggers companies to leave for foreign soil.
not "free trade" hey, even before free trade many American companies set up shop in places like Mexico looking for CHEAP alternatives to labor.
and you should know that large corporations get tax breaks from the government regardless of where they are.
you SHOULD know this anyway.


Kucinich is right, his enemy is free trade, not the "free economy" which doesn't exist in this country anyways. If we had a "free economy" that was capitalism in a purer form the wages here would simply adjust to fit what the market demanded. Kucinich is NOT getting my vote, however, because he is short sighted. Our economy is organic, it evolves, much like it has in the past from largely agricultural society all the way into an information and tech based economy. Yes, you could save a lot of jobs by stiffling free trade, especially the auto workers who Kucinich desperately wants to help.

and at the end of all this, I really thought you were actually going to show me how I was wrong.
see? this is your flaw you act as if you had some insight that other people are not privy to, but then, when asked for it you invariably fail to produce it.
this is all fine and well, acceptable even, but in no way disputes that the driving force behind the elimination of jobs ( the middle class jobs) is actually capitalism.
actual free trade would benefit all parties involved.
but right now there's NO such thing.

[Memphis Slim]

True--but what's amazing is that he could look like a Hobbit, and yet be able to land a babe like Elizabeth. :wow:

Either her standards on looks are low or he's hiding something that's got her crazy. :o


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Pleeez....there's nothing new about this kind of arrangement.

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Money, fame,, power, influence..........women have long looked past appearance for the dollar.


Dennis has money. She not that fine, anyway. Fine for him maybe.

[Matt]

What did I just tell you about posting random pictures? Take the night off to cool off.

[hippie_hunter]

True--but what's amazing is that he could look like a Hobbit, and yet be able to land a babe like Elizabeth. :wow:

Either her standards on looks are low or he's hiding something that's got her crazy. :o

Kucinich probably has a 16 inch wang :o

[The Senator]

Kucinich probably has a 16 inch wang :o

Well, when you compare it to other elves, it may appear to be 16 inches...

[The Senator]

Dennis has money. She not that fine, anyway. Fine for him maybe.

I don't think he has a lot of money. From what I've read, he only lives off his House salary. True, it's $125,000 (roughly)... but he drives a Chevy Aveo and lives in his family home in Cleveland.

I also don't think his wife is all that attractive, but I'm not really qualified to give my opinion in that arena.

[ShadowBoxing]

and at the end of all this, I really thought you were actually going to show me how I was wrong.
I honestly don't care if I "show you wrong".:whatever: Do you honestly think every disagreement is cause for some argument?

...you know what I actually had more to say here, and I deleted it. You know why? Because I don't want you to respond at all. You're a f***ing douchebag. You do realize you can discuss things with people and not every attempt to tell you another viewpoint on the matter is some viscious attack. God, you're worse than Bill O'Reilly.

[Mr Sparkle]

I honestly don't care if I "show you wrong".:whatever: Do you honestly think every disagreement is cause for some argument?

...you know what I actually had more to say here, and I deleted it. You know why? Because I don't want you to respond at all. You're a f***ing douchebag. You do realize you can discuss things with people and not every attempt to tell you another viewpoint on the matter is some viscious attack. God, you're worse than Bill O'Reilly.

uh-oh, you "called me names" :csad: you're gonna get an infraction.
also, you might want to look into "tone" because in your case, it's not disagreement as you clearly said, so don't try to play the "I just wanted to tell you my opinion" card, because seriously, you KNOW your motives.

also, you misspelled "vicious"

[Handsome Rob]

uh-oh, you "called me names" :csad: you're gonna get an infraction.
also, you might want to look into "tone" because in your case, it's not disagreement as you clearly said, so don't try to play the "I just wanted to tell you my opinion" card, because seriously, you KNOW your motives.

also, you misspelled "vicious"

Try this:

Uh-oh, you called me "names." :csad: You're going to get an infraction. Also, you may want to look into "tone"; because, in your case, it's not disagreement (as you clearly said). So, don't try to play the "I just wanted to tell you my opinion" card; because--seriously--you KNOW your motives.

Also, you misspelled "vicious."

To correct someone's spelling on the Internet is considered "bad form." To precede that correction with a response rife with grammatical errors . . . :lmao:

In all honesty, though, I've been out of school for several years and am prone to errors of my own. I may not have caught all of yours, and I may have made some of my own in the correction. So, I'm going to take a copy of this post to my friend, an English teacher. I'll ask her to review and fix both your statement and my version of your statement. Maybe, we'll both learn something.

[Mr Sparkle]

Try this:



To correct someone's spelling on the Internet is considered "bad form." To precede that correction with a response rife with grammatical errors . . . :lmao:

In all honesty, though, I've been out of school for several years and am prone to errors of my own. I may not have caught all of yours, and I may have made some of my own in the correction. So, I'm going to take a copy of this post to my friend, an English teacher. I'll ask her to review and fix both your statement and my version of your statement. Maybe, we'll both learn something.

thus invalidating your entire argument, and making your observation comical.
good job on outsourcing your posts though, it might improve upon them drastically.
do you have a friend who maybe..teaches "personality"?
I'm thinking you need outside help on that as well.

[Handsome Rob]

thus invalidating your entire argument, and making your observation comical.
good job on outsourcing your posts though, it might improve upon them drastically.
do you have a friend who maybe..teaches "personality"?
I'm thinking you need outside help on that as well.

Not quite, chief. I don't normally feel the need to point out the grammatical/spelling mistakes of other posters--mainly, because I know I'm prone to do it, myself. Besides, I'd rather focus on the discussing the issue at hand with someone rather than pointing out mistakes in the "typed" word in a vain attempt to attain even the slightest semblance of intellectual "superiority."

But, I just had to point out and laugh at the idea that someone who consistently exudes comma splices, run-on sentences, and a general lack of capitalization from every post he makes would call some guy out for misspelling a single word in an entire post. You're like a bed-bound, 950-pound, morbidly obese guy making fun of another guy for having a slight "spare tire" around his waist.

Oh, and teaching "personality?" How far into your grab bag of insults did you have to go to pull out that winner? :whatever:

[Mr Sparkle]

Oh, and teaching "personality?" How far into your grab bag of insults did you have to go to pull out that winner? :whatever:

meh, people often think observations are insults.:sleepy:
hey, anyone want to tell me how come capitalism and profit ISN'T the driving force behind the loss of Jobs for the Middle class in the US? because that would be swell.

[Memphis Slim]

Not quite, chief. I don't normally feel the need to point out the grammatical/spelling mistakes of other posters--mainly, because I know I'm prone to do it, myself. Besides, I'd rather focus on the discussing the issue at hand with someone rather than pointing out mistakes in the "typed" word in a vain attempt to attain even the slightest semblance of intellectual "superiority."

But, I just had to point out and laugh at the idea that someone who consistently exudes comma splices, run-on sentences, and a general lack of capitalization from every post he makes would call some guy out for misspelling a single word in an entire post. You're like a bed-bound, 950-pound, morbidly obese guy making fun of another guy for having a slight "spare tire" around his waist.

Oh, and teaching "personality?" How far into your grab bag of insults did you have to go to pull out that winner? :whatever:
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[Superman4ever]

G-d, I wish ALL the democrats were this brave:

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http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2008/06/kucinich_introd.php
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2008/3143
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/0/kucinichs_drive_to_impeach_bus.html

Lowest approval rating and NO ONE does anything?

[Superman4ever]

I say, I said, "I wish all democrats were this brave!"

[Excel]

Heh, its almost pointless at this point.

[Mr. Credible]

Heh, its almost pointless at this point.

no, it's not.

i say it's very important that we don't let that smug son of a ****** leave the office with his reputation in tact. he needs to be forced out of the office, even if it's his last week there. they need to show the american people that this douche is a liar.

[Superman4ever]

Heh, its almost pointless at this point.

It's not pointless, that's the type of mentality that let's this criminal get away with his destructive policies.

This guy is a criminal and needs to be held accountable. Will he be impeached, probably not, cause the "democrats" are a bunch of spineless donkeys, but it STILL NEEDS to be said. History should look back at this time in American history with disdain towards this WHOLE administration, the democrats, the media and the American people.

It's not pointless.

[Marx]

Kucinich is Ohio's resident crazy. We don't really pay too much attention to him... :funny:

[Marx]

It's not pointless, that's the type of mentality that let's this criminal get away with his destructive policies.

This guy is a criminal and needs to be held accountable. Will he be impeached, probably not, cause the "democrats" are a bunch of spineless donkeys, but it STILL NEEDS to be said. History should look back at this time in American history with disdain towards this WHOLE administration, the democrats, the media and the American people.

It's not pointless.

Even if the Democrats all supported the "Kucinich Mentality" it would never pass. The Democrats only hold a slim majority. And it's not enough to override anything that the Republicans could throw. The ideas of a Bush impeachment will come to no other fruition than a fantasy.

[The Senator]

Kucinich is Ohio's resident crazy. We don't really pay too much attention to him... :funny:

Dennis Kucinich is a waste of carbon. If I was in the House leadership, I would move to kick him out of the party. The man voted against SCHIP and ENDA, and he's spent the past two years trying to impeach the President and Vice President-- something which he knows will never happen. He doesn't fight for his constituents, he doesn't work with the House leadership...instead he's perpetually running to be America's first ultra-crazy uber liberal elfin president.

It's as if the aliens drained all reason from his body when they paid him that visit...

[rdh007]

Yeah, but his wife's way out of his league so he's got something working right.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/kucinich.jpg

[The Senator]

His wife must be blind.

Either that, or she's one of those aliens he saw.

Or maybe he's holding her hostage.

Regardless of how it all played out... I have a feeling it won't last...something tells me Dennis probably cries in her arms every night because the mean old Democrats won't let him impeach Bush and Cheney...

[Humpty Dumpty]

Kucinich is Ohio's resident crazy. We don't really pay too much attention to him... :funny:
Yeah, he voted against the PATRIOT Act, the war in Iraq, and funding for the war in Iraq (for which Obama voted twice I believe) and supports single-payer healthcare, unlike any of the candidates I would presume you to consider "sane." He also saved the taxpayers of Cleveland millions of dollars by preventing the electric utility from falling into private hands. All that stuff is just bonkers, right?
Dennis Kucinich is a waste of carbon. If I was in the House leadership, I would move to kick him out of the party. The man voted against SCHIP and ENDA, and he's spent the past two years trying to impeach the President and Vice President-- something which he knows will never happen. He doesn't fight for his constituents, he doesn't work with the House leadership...instead he's perpetually running to be America's first ultra-crazy uber liberal elfin president.

It's as if the aliens drained all reason from his body when they paid him that visit...
He objected to ENDA in committee over its neglecting issues of discrimination against transgendered persons but supported it when it came up for vote in the House. He voted for the original version of SCHIP. He didn't like the altered version because it excluded the children of legal immigrants from the plan, so he voted against it initially in protest because he knew it would get through anyway. However, when it came time to give the bill a final boost of support after Bush vetoed it, Kucinich voted for the bill notwithstanding the lack of provisions for children from immigrant families.

[Marx]

Yeah, he voted against the PATRIOT Act, the war in Iraq, and funding for the war in Iraq (for which Obama voted twice I believe) and supports single-payer healthcare, unlike any of the candidates I would presume you to consider "sane." He also saved the taxpayers of Cleveland millions of dollars by preventing the electric utility from falling into private hands. All that stuff is just bonkers, right?

Kucinich may have a few good ideas and may have taken a couple of good stances on some issues, but it doesn't erase the fact that he is a left wing nutjob. To me, he has the same credibility as a Mike Gravel, Mike Huckabee, or Bill O'Reilly.

I don't care for extremes.

[Superman]

I saw him giving his case for impeachment on C-span the other night. It was as much fun as watching grass grow.:wow:

[Marx]

I saw him giving his case for impeachment on C-span the other night. It was as much fun as watching grass grow.:wow:

I'm sure he did the trademark "glazed over grin" after every major point in the speech. Am I right Supe?

[Superman]

I'm sure he did the trademark "glazed over grin" after every major point in the speech. Am I right Supe?Kinda, Yeah. I only watched about 5 mins of it and couldn't stand it any longer. I think Kucinich was even bored from it.:csad:

[Marx]

Kinda, Yeah. I only watched about 5 mins of it and couldn't stand it any longer. I think Kucinich was even bored from it.:csad:

I can't blame you there! :cwink:

[hippie_hunter]

no, it's not.

i say it's very important that we don't let that smug son of a ****** leave the office with his reputation in tact. he needs to be forced out of the office, even if it's his last week there. they need to show the american people that this douche is a liar.

What reputation? If he has one it certainly isn't a good one as a President who was nothing but a partisan hack, abused the concept of executive privilege, is overly secretive, relied on faulty intelligence, has very low approval ratings, and single handedly tarnished the GOP brand.

[The Senator]

He objected to ENDA in committee over its neglecting issues of discrimination against transgendered persons but supported it when it came up for vote in the House. He voted for the original version of SCHIP. He didn't like the altered version because it excluded the children of legal immigrants from the plan, so he voted against it initially in protest because he knew it would get through anyway. However, when it came time to give the bill a final boost of support after Bush vetoed it, Kucinich voted for the bill notwithstanding the lack of provisions for children from immigrant families.

Obviously, he wanted altered versions of the bills. However, that does not excuse his decision to vote against ENDA and SCHIP, especially when the House's majority is as slim as it is. I find it a bit hypocritical for one of the biggest opponents of the 'status quo' to play politics with bills which would expand certain rights and liberties-- especially when he supported the provisions in the bills.

[Superman4ever]

What reputation? If he has one it certainly isn't a good one as a President who was nothing but a partisan hack, abused the concept of executive privilege, is overly secretive, relied on faulty intelligence, has very low approval ratings, and single handedly tarnished the GOP brand.

Heeeeeence, impeach the prick! I can't see how he hasn't been. It's a shame that we LET this man walk all over the constitution and our rights.

[Humpty Dumpty]

Obviously, he wanted altered versions of the bills. However, that does not excuse his decision to vote against ENDA and SCHIP, especially when the House's majority is as slim as it is. I find it a bit hypocritical for one of the biggest opponents of the 'status quo' to play politics with bills which would expand certain rights and liberties-- especially when he supported the provisions in the bills.
Didn't you read my post? Kucinich voted for the bills with which he wasn't happy when it really counted. He voted for ENDA after it got out of committee and for SCHIP when the veto override came up.

Kucinich may have a few good ideas and may have taken a couple of good stances on some issues, but it doesn't erase the fact that he is a left wing nutjob. To me, he has the same credibility as a Mike Gravel, Mike Huckabee, or Bill O'Reilly.

I don't care for extremes.
Saying he's a "left-wing nutjob" is just mindless name calling, so I can't even take that seriously.

[hippie_hunter]

Heeeeeence, impeach the prick! I can't see how he hasn't been. It's a shame that we LET this man walk all over the constitution and our rights.

But my point was that even if he doesn't get impeached, he isn't going to leave with his reputation in tact. It is tarnished and he will go down in history as even though he isn't one of the worst, he's still a rather mediocre one who didn't live up to America's ideals.

Frankly it's a bit too late to impeach Bush. It's rather pointless to impeach a person who has half a year in office. Impeachment should have been done when it would have made a point and had an effect...years ago.

[Marx]

Saying he's a "left-wing nutjob" is just mindless name calling, so I can't even take that seriously.

It's actually pretty accurate...but I don't care if you take my statement seriously or not. The fact remains, he attempts to push through pointless legislation (like the impreachment of the President) that has NO way in h*** of passing and then he plays politics with other measures because they were not to his liking. (Despite his "contempt" for the status quo.)

He has zero credibility. Why we (Ohio) chose to vote for him is beyond me.

[Humpty Dumpty]

It's actually pretty accurate...but I don't care if you take my statement seriously or not. The fact remains, he attempts to push through pointless legislation (like the impreachment of the President) that has NO way in h*** of passing and then he plays politics with other measures because they were not to his liking. (Despite his "contempt" for the status quo.)

He has zero credibility. Why we (Ohio) chose to vote for him is beyond me.
As I've said twice already, he only made protest votes when he knew one less congressman's support wouldn't affect the eventual outcome of the bill's passage. When the situation provided no room for symbolic gestures, he put forth his support. "Playing politics" is when you compromise your integrity for some kind of selfish political/personal goal. Dennis was just speaking his conscience with ENDA and SCHIP.

May I remind you President Bush is responsible for an illegal occupation of a country which has resulted in the deaths of well over one million people, not to mention his singularly egregious record on civil rights? What better reasons for impeachment do you want?

[Marx]

As I've said twice already, he only made protest votes when he knew one less congressman's support wouldn't affect the eventual outcome of the bill's passage. When the situation provided no room for symbolic gestures, he put forth his support. "Playing politics" is when you compromise your integrity for some kind of selfish political/personal goal. Dennis was just speaking his conscience with ENDA and SCHIP.

May I remind you President Bush is responsible for an illegal occupation of a country which has resulted in the deaths of well over one million people, not to mention his singularly egregious record on civil rights. What better reasons for impeachment do you want?

I do not need reminded of the Iraq War. I have several friends and family members fighting in this war and the war in Afghanistan.

All I'm saying is that is completely pointless, not to mention - a waste of time - to file articles of impeachment for President Bush. He is not going to get impeached. Why some people cannot see that is also beyond me. President Bush has had the pleasure of a "rubber stamp' congress up until 2006. Yes, the Democrats gained the majority in the 2006 elections, but it is not enough of a majority to pass anything. The Republicans can, will, and have blocked anything and everything that they could.

Dennis Kucinich can continue parading around with pointless legislation and hypocritical views all he wants, but he will not accomplish anything at all.

[Humpty Dumpty]

I do not need reminded of the Iraq War. I have several friends and family members fighting in this war and the war in Afghanistan.

All I'm saying is that is completely pointless, not to mention - a waste of time - to file articles of impeachment for President Bush. He is not going to get impeached. Why some people cannot see that is also beyond me. President Bush has had the pleasure of a "rubber stamp' congress up until 2006. Yes, the Democrats gained the majority in the 2006 elections, but it is not enough of a majority to pass anything. The Republicans can, will, and have blocked anything and everything that they could.

Dennis Kucinich can continue parading around with pointless legislation and hypocritical views all he wants, but he will not accomplish anything at all.
The point of what Kucinich is doing is to make clear that what Bush did was illegal and not just a bad judgment call as Obama and others like to put it. I can't fault Kucinich for not being as blindly subservient to power as everyone else in Congress.

[The Senator]

Didn't you read my post? Kucinich voted for the bills with which he wasn't happy when it really counted. He voted for ENDA after it got out of committee and for SCHIP when the veto override came up.


I'm sorry, but doesn't any vote for or against a bill "really count"?

It's sad when Kucinich has the same voting record on certain pieces of legislation as Sen. Tom Coburn or Rep. Bill Sali.