Cinematic Art Direction [Archive] - The SuperHeroHype Forums

SamuraiSon6

01-25-2008, 07:40 AM

Has there been any clear info on the actual "style" of this film. Obviously, it is live action and we have already seen the orange gi's, so do you feel they will try to stick with a very vibrant color scheme to keep an anime feel, or will they go a more 'live action' or serioues route with a darker scheme, possibly a color filter that so many movies use now.....

your thoughts...what would you like to see?

snen

01-25-2008, 07:58 AM

They seem to be going the 'brights' route, but we should really wait and see - a lot of people have raised the interesting point that the colour could be neutralised a little in editing or colour filtering.. or whatever the technical term was that seemed so clever at the time :huh:

Although it's nice to see dedication to the manga/anime, I'm not sure it'd be a great route for a live action adaption as it might be impossible to take seriously. I liked what they did with the X-Men costumes (and the in-joke reference to Wolverine's yellow spandex 80's costume in X1). Something in between reality and the anime would be just perfect for me - like an adaptation of Goku's gi, and the sketches that people have suggested for Piccolo. How about you?

Adam

01-25-2008, 11:11 AM

kinda feels like speed racer now.

thewhyteman

01-25-2008, 11:43 AM

I would to see it look like the images in "Hero" with Jet Li.

This story line is so completly fantasy. You couldnt pull off a reall life senario. So, they mine as well have fun with it, make the grass fields super green, really blue skys. Why not right?

DeathRaven

01-25-2008, 02:12 PM

Hard to say at this point what they exactly will be going for in a art direction, I can only hope that they atleast bring in the elements of what Dragonball had and translate them well enough into reality.

The Kid

01-25-2008, 02:59 PM

The costumes look like something out of double dragon so that's not a good sign. But what i'd want them to do is watch any old school martial arts movie from jackie chan to bruce lee to jet li to give it an authentic asian feel and mood. And considering the director's asian, that could very well be the case.

ant3ros

01-25-2008, 03:13 PM

Um.. James Wong is American and his background has been in American TV/Film... Just because he's ethnically Asian doesn't mean he can give an "authentic asian feel and mood".... He's mostly known for Sci-Fi.

The Kid

01-25-2008, 03:52 PM

My point is he's ethnically asian and therefore has first hand experience being one which might give the film a better chance of feeling nothing like the last dragon.

the a1ant

01-25-2008, 04:17 PM

kinda feels like speed racer now.

That's how I'm picturing it so far - visually speaking. Who knows though...

01-25-2008, 05:43 PM

I wouldn't mind that.

MoPlaYa

01-25-2008, 08:04 PM

That's how I'm picturing it so far - visually speaking. Who knows though...

Nice to see you on this thread.

RED-RAIN

01-29-2008, 12:54 AM

speed racer looks nice, but it also looks like a cartoon, therefore im torn as to what they are trying to achieve..visually speaking, of course

Adam

01-29-2008, 03:03 PM

Hopefully something good

DorkyFresh

01-29-2008, 04:22 PM

i won't really judge the art direction until i see Picollo, but if the Goku-looking costumes are anything to go by....then the art direction probably won't be that great. Chatwin's hair in a semi mo hawk doesn't really give me much confidence either considering long, spikey hair is one of the staples of DBZ imagery.

as for James Wong, he's never really done a stylized movie. the worlds of Final Desination and the One were realistic for the most part and the fact that he's trying to ground DBZ in a semi realistic world doesn't sit well with me. imo, the last thing DBZ needs is realism. sorry to say but i don't think this movie will even come close to the style of the very anime-inspired Speed Racer movie. it'll probably be more in tone with Dead or Alive or maybe Kill Bill without the style. unfortunately, i don't think we'll be seeing too many jaw-dropping locales or costumes.

like i said though, i won't really judge anything until i see Picollo. for me, him along with Goku's costume will be the deciding factor on the art direction of this movie.

Adam

01-29-2008, 05:07 PM

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01-29-2008, 05:14 PM

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01-29-2008, 05:15 PM

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01-29-2008, 05:16 PM

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DorkyFresh

01-29-2008, 10:08 PM

Hey Dorky, check out the picture up on my blog and tell me what you think of Goku's hair. The quality isn't so great but I think it actually looks pretty nice. Definitely better than the first side view we got and better than the second picture we got (which appears to have just been short and neat because Chatwin wasn't in hair/make-up yet).

in the words of Mr. Horse from Ren & Stimpy..."no sir, i don't like it." looks like all they did was put a bunch of gel in his hair and combed it straight upwards. i don't know what they were going for but i know it's not Goku. like i said...long, spikey hair is one of DBZ's trademarks and it upsets me that they couldn't even get that right, especially considering i used to style my hair DBZ style on a daily basis. here are a few pix of me messing around with my hair when it was longer...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/crazyhair.jpg

...it's embarrassing for me but each of those hairstyles took no longer than 15 minutes, which goes to show that a faithful DBZ look can be done for a live action movie in a timely fashion. that's taking into consideration that i'm not even a hairstylist, my hair is thick and stubborn, and at the time, it wasn't even that long...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/371531631_a.jpg

Chatwin's hair is medium length and points straight up when they could easily style his hair similar to the way i used to style mine. considering they're giving Bulma unnaturally colored hair, i don't see why they tamed Goku's hair. imo, my hair makes this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/chatwinhair.jpg

...look normal and uninspired. it also doesn't help that, in that picture, Chatwin still looks scrawny.

WhatA.Tool

01-29-2008, 10:09 PM

i want to see DB !!! NOW

xwolverine2

01-29-2008, 10:20 PM

i don't think we'll be seeing too many jaw-dropping locales or costumes.

i disagree with you 100%

i think the locations are gonna make this movie

DorkyFresh

01-29-2008, 10:42 PM

mind providing what you're basing that on?

WhatA.Tool

01-29-2008, 10:46 PM

mind providing what you're basing that on?

the set pics?

The Kid

01-29-2008, 10:51 PM

Charlie Sheen's in this movie?

DorkyFresh

01-29-2008, 10:59 PM

the set pics?

which, so far, haven't been jaw-dropping...

Charlie Sheen's in this movie?

lol, should i be scared or flattered that you now have my pic as your avatar?

The Kid

01-29-2008, 11:05 PM

Scared because people will see you in real life and punch you because they think you're me. ha ha ha

edit:

Here's me by the way...

http://is2.okcupid.com/users/926/594/9275954709358362362/mt1138843856.jpg

feel free...

Adam

01-29-2008, 11:07 PM

So by your logic they need to spend weeks on his hair and make it look insane... yeah okay.

There is such a thing as editing on the computer... :)

DorkyFresh

01-29-2008, 11:29 PM

Scared because people will see you and real life and punch you because they think you're me. ha ha ha

edit:

Here's me by the way...

http://is2.okcupid.com/users/926/594/9275954709358362362/mt1138843856.jpg

feel free...

oh god...don't tell me you're infamous.

btw, i'm TONS more good looking than you are :o :cwink: :oldrazz:

DorkyFresh

01-29-2008, 11:31 PM

So by your logic they need to spend weeks on his hair and make it look insane... yeah okay.
no more insane than giving live action Bulma unnaturally colored hair or having a green alien fighting a human-looking alien. it's a movie.....not real life. besides, if you read my post (you obviously didn't) you would see that i said that those hairstyles only took 15 minutes each with my thick, stubborn hair.....far from a week.

question for you....do you or do you not agree that my hairstyle looked more like Goku's than that picture of Chatwin's?

Adam

01-30-2008, 12:02 AM

no more insane than giving live action Bulma unnaturally colored hair or having a green alien fighting a human-looking alien. it's a movie.....not real life. besides, if you read my post (you obviously didn't) you would see that i said that those hairstyles only took 15 minutes each with my thick, stubborn hair.....far from a week.

question for you....do you or do you not agree that my hairstyle looked more like Goku's than that picture of Chatwin's?
You realize Chatwin was eating dinner he wasn't filming... Anyway, if that WAS his hair for filming, I think it looks just fine for Goku. Better than yours.

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 12:04 AM

way to dodge my question. i didn't ask which hairstyle you prefer....i asked which you think looks more like Goku's...

Adam

01-30-2008, 12:05 AM

I said yes it was better than your hair.

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 12:11 AM

hehe...okay, i get it. you don't want to answer it straightforward....it's cool.

Adam

01-30-2008, 12:13 AM

YES It looks more like Goku's than yours!

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 12:23 AM

thanks for the answer.

Avangarde

01-30-2008, 12:40 AM

in the words of Mr. Horse from Ren & Stimpy..."no sir, i don't like it." looks like all they did was put a bunch of gel in his hair and combed it straight upwards. i don't know what they were going for but i know it's not Goku. like i said...long, spikey hair is one of DBZ's trademarks and it upsets me that they couldn't even get that right, especially considering i used to style my hair DBZ style on a daily basis. here are a few pix of me messing around with my hair when it was longer...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/crazyhair.jpg

...it's embarrassing for me but each of those hairstyles took no longer than 15 minutes, which goes to show that a faithful DBZ look can be done for a live action movie in a timely fashion. that's taking into consideration that i'm not even a hairstylist, my hair is thick and stubborn, and at the time, it wasn't even that long...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/371531631_a.jpg

Chatwin's hair is medium length and points straight up when they could easily style his hair similar to the way i used to style mine. considering they're giving Bulma unnaturally colored hair, i don't see why they tamed Goku's hair. imo, my hair makes this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/chatwinhair.jpg

...look normal and uninspired. it also doesn't help that, in that picture, Chatwin still looks scrawny.

For the most part I agree with Dorky, the whole Chatwin hair thing seems somewhat uncared for. I understand that they have tried to give him a spike but from Dorky's own hair you can clearly see that there are more options. Hell, that bottom middle one I would pass off as Vegeta (perhaps pull all the fringe back), but I think length is key, you can do more with it. Only negetive thing I can see with long compared to short is when he fights depending on his movements and battle damge it could be harder to look natural while the short hair could still have more control.

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 01:16 AM

i see your point about the hair taking damage, but imo that would add to the effect. case in point...Wolverine's hair always has those 2 points, but after a fight his hair is all jacked and hanging everywhere. it adds to his character and emphasizes that he's been through a battle...much like people after sex, hehe.

anyway...i'd like to bring up another guy who does the "spikey hair" better than me...Ryan Conferido of "So You Think You Can Dance" fame...

http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00281/98/33/281243389_l.jpghttp://a444.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/30/l_40ab5169a76b6036176b9bd51b607b7b.jpg
http://a942.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/30/l_3b176a8ce62b72a92bde978fd6fcdcfd.jpg
http://a956.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/l_b78e99a3b0dc8b6e8bee386e597b5a2b.jpghttp://a665.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/8/l_02344894cdc5cb7d19886b444ba79f48.jpg
http://a718.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_afaace8f975989dddc50644faf1ea59d.jpg

...even a couple of his boys can pull off the long, spikes.

http://a576.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/23/l_fc3b4fc2c8e8f685362fc8bc022d2727.jpg

that's why i say...Chatwin's hair leaves something to be desired.

craigdbfan

01-30-2008, 01:51 AM

http://a718.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_afaace8f975989dddc50644faf1ea59d.jpg

I would do that girl.

Avangarde

01-30-2008, 05:51 AM

I'll say, she's is damn fine.

Avangarde

01-30-2008, 05:54 AM

http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00281/98/33/281243389_l.jpg

That's probably the best real-life version of Son Goku's hair I have ever seen next to Cloud Strife in Advent Children (CGI though), the asians sure like to do up there hair. :up:

01-30-2008, 06:00 AM

in the words of Mr. Horse from Ren & Stimpy..."no sir, i don't like it." looks like all they did was put a bunch of gel in his hair and combed it straight upwards. i don't know what they were going for but i know it's not Goku. like i said...long, spikey hair is one of DBZ's trademarks and it upsets me that they couldn't even get that right, especially considering i used to style my hair DBZ style on a daily basis. here are a few pix of me messing around with my hair when it was longer...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/crazyhair.jpg

...it's embarrassing for me but each of those hairstyles took no longer than 15 minutes, which goes to show that a faithful DBZ look can be done for a live action movie in a timely fashion. that's taking into consideration that i'm not even a hairstylist, my hair is thick and stubborn, and at the time, it wasn't even that long...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/371531631_a.jpg

Chatwin's hair is medium length and points straight up when they could easily style his hair similar to the way i used to style mine. considering they're giving Bulma unnaturally colored hair, i don't see why they tamed Goku's hair. imo, my hair makes this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/chatwinhair.jpg

...look normal and uninspired. it also doesn't help that, in that picture, Chatwin still looks scrawny.
I see your point.. but his hair and your hair look the same to me. :huh:

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 01:09 PM

well they're not. if you look carefully, his hair looks like it's divided into a few sections or at least 2. the middle/top section of his hair (from one corner of his forhead to the other corner) spikes straight upwards and the left side of his hair looks significantly shorter than the middle/top part. mine hair, on the other hand, is consistent for the most part and the spikes jut out in EVERY direction.....not just upwards like Chatwin's. there's definitely a difference...

....still, Ryan Conferido shows that fully faithful Goku hair can be done.

Adam

01-30-2008, 01:15 PM

Okay it's good enough, let's move on. I'm done talking about your hair.

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 01:20 PM

Okay it's good enough, let's move on. I'm done talking about your hair.

then move on....you don't have to talk about GOKU's hair if you don't want to. no one's forcing you. i'm tired of you trying to tell people that everything is fine...maybe you should learn to just accept that people have different opinions.

01-30-2008, 01:26 PM

I like that Chatwins hair doesn't seem full of product though. And that is one thing I don't like about some (not all) of your examples.

It's like Wolverine. I love love love his hair in X1. Everything about it is Wolverine, and it looks natural. In X2, however it just looks like his hair is full of gel. Meh.

dark_b

01-30-2008, 01:30 PM

yeah it really looks like one side has longer hair then the other side.

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 01:59 PM

I like that Chatwins hair doesn't seem full of product though. And that is one thing I don't like about some (not all) of your examples.
if you ask me, i'd say the opposite...it DOES look like it's full of product. hair doesn't really shine unless it's full of product and there's a pretty good shine on his hair...about as much shine as mine and some of Ryan's. regardless of how the hair is done, it would be next to impossible to make someone's hair look like Goku's without that shiney effect unless you charged them with a lot of static, but Ryan comes close with this picture...

http://a718.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_afaace8f975989dddc50644faf1ea59d.jpg

...still Goku-ish but not much shine. on the other hand, you can see the shine on Chatwin but his hair is not Goku-ish. if anything, it's more like Yamcha's (tall on the top, shorter on the sides). the only real difference being that Yamcha's hair is more even while Chatwin's comes to a point at the top...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Pictures/chatwinhair.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/theoncastillo_2007/charapucciYamcha.jpg

dark_b

01-30-2008, 02:36 PM

yeah i agree that from the set pics gokus hair looks shinny. which means he has gel.

01-30-2008, 02:38 PM

Really. :huh:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_u6AkURBOyVU/R2SAFiLopII/AAAAAAAAAHI/oZtttJ00GZA/s400/dbzmex1.jpg

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 02:47 PM

his hair doesn't look shiny there because it's totally different lighting. for one, he's outside in the daytime and for 2 the camera isn't close enough to project the flash onto him. that shiny hair only happens when the camera is close enough for the flash to hit the hair and it has to be either in a dark environment or a dimly lit room.

regardless, like i said, the latest pictures shows that he has product in his hair...so if they're gonna fill his hair with product, the least they could do is make it resemble Goku's hair a bit more than just combing the top part of his hair straight upwards.

01-30-2008, 02:49 PM

I donno. I see the pictures you posted and I see random samplings of hair spiked. None of which look any closer to Gokus than Chatwins. But that's just me. :/

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 03:12 PM

I donno. I see the pictures you posted and I see random samplings of hair spiked. None of which look any closer to Gokus than Chatwins. But that's just me. :/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/gokuhair.jpg

how the heck did you come to that conclusion?

01-30-2008, 03:15 PM

With my eyes. ;)

xwolverine2

01-30-2008, 06:31 PM

all the spikey hair pics being posted look waay too rockerish...
im fine with the not so popping out hair from the movie

Adam

01-30-2008, 06:31 PM

Hair is the least of my worries.

SamuraiSon6

01-30-2008, 07:21 PM

^honestly ....

Mr. Wooden Alligator

01-30-2008, 07:53 PM

Honestly, I'd be keen with the long hair look. Shoulder-length, ya know. Spikey with gel just seems to punk rockish for me if Chatwin's hair is short to begin with.

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 10:13 PM

all the spikey hair pics being posted look waay too rockerish...
so you think Goku's hair is too rockerish in the anime?

Hair is the least of my worries.
well it seems you have NO worries about the film. you've been defending everything about it...

Adam

01-30-2008, 10:15 PM

so you think Goku's hair is too rockerish in the anime?

well it seems you have NO worries about the film. you've been defending everything about it...
Not true. I'm worried about Jamie Chung and the romance in this movie.

The Kid

01-30-2008, 10:22 PM

They're going for the peter pan hair style, which is appropriate for a jungle boy but doesn't make much sense for an average highschool kid, though back when i was in high prison there were plenty of people with jungle boy hair.... *shrugs*

Peter pan hair from hook:

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Peter Pan hair from Peter pan:

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i prefer the latter for a live action goku. Speaking of art direction, damn I hope the movie looks as epic as Hook.

Pan! paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 10:36 PM

Peter pan hair:

R8mVyNS6S3k

Pan! paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!

lol....Spielberg's best movie EVAR!!! :cwink: :oldrazz:

xwolverine2

01-30-2008, 10:37 PM

so you think Goku's hair is too rockerish in the anime?...

no it didnt... it just looked like messy hair...

not gelled up to the extreme hair.

cartoon hair is completely different than reality...

plus, imagine the kind of maintenance that kind of hair would need when shooting a fight scene...
you can forget about that:cwink:

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 10:46 PM

no it didnt... it just looked like messy hair...

not gelled up to the extreme hair.

but Chatwin's hair was all gelled up to.....:huh:

plus, imagine the kind of maintenance that kind of hair would need when shooting a fight scene...
you can forget about that:cwink:
they managed to keep Hugh Jackman's hair looking like Wolverine's hair just fine. not to mention, Ryan is a b-boy (breakdancer). he dances all the time and manages to keep his hair looking like that throughout his sessions...:o

xwolverine2

01-30-2008, 10:50 PM

but Chatwin's hair was all gelled up to.....:huh:

they managed to keep Hugh Jackman's hair looking like Wolverine's hair just fine...:o

yeah but its half as long and not solid blocks of gel glue

wolverines hair maintenance is nowhere near as much as would be needed for the ones previously posted.
dont even compare.

and some other also posted that dont require gel can only be done with asian peoples hair...
which chatwin doesnt have...
a wig would look worse than jessica alba in ROTSS

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 10:54 PM

yeah but its half as long and not solid blocks of gel glue

bull$#!+, Hugh Jackman's hair is just as long...it just doesn't extend as much as Ryan's does.

wolverines hair maintenance is nowhere near as much as would be needed for the ones previously posted.
dont even compare.

i edited my post. i brought up the point that Ryan Conferido is able to breakdance and end his sessions with his hair looking almost as good as it did when he first started. if he can manage his hair just fine then a person with martial arts experience would be able to do the same with no problems considering breakdancing requires a person to constantly roll, flip, and spin on the floor.

and some other also posted that dont require gel can only be done with asian peoples hair...
which chatwin doesnt have...
more b.s.! you can pull off that kind of hairstyle as long as the person's hair isn't wavy or curly. in fact, white people tend to have thinner hair which is usually easier to style than thicker hair which is more stubborn and harder to style.

Adam

01-30-2008, 11:04 PM

I wanna see some Piccolo pics, that should define the "art direction" of this movie. Not Chatwin's hair at a dinner.

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 11:11 PM

i agree...i'd love to see some pix of Piccolo, but Chatwin's hair is another indication of the style and artistic approach they'll be taking. even though he was at a dinner, we can still get an idea of what they're going for. also...i was asked, by JP, what my opinion was on Chatwin's hair.....so :oldrazz:

The Kid

01-30-2008, 11:14 PM

lol....Spielberg's best movie EVAR!!! :cwink: :oldrazz:

Let us pray this movie's even a quarter as brilliant as Hook.

*goes back to betting on who'll win the battle of wits*

craigdbfan

01-30-2008, 11:19 PM

I think Chatwin's hair is fine for the film. I would have preferred if Chatwin could have had longer and messier hair. But this is hard once you add some CG and just makes things complicated.

Would have liked something like this
http://www.menshairstyles.net/d/982-1/longice_broch_erraticB.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=db4942217 6f4f5b08fa872370e21e3bd (A bit cartoony but could work I guess...)

Or something like this

http://www.mymovies.it/filmclub/attori/59588.jpg (This would have been great!!!)

DorkyFresh

01-30-2008, 11:22 PM

Let us pray this movie's even a quarter as brilliant as Hook.

*goes back to betting on who'll win the battle of wits*

i never understood why people don't like Hook....

...then again, i was about 8 or 9 when i saw that movie...hehe. find a happy thought!!!

01-31-2008, 05:27 AM

also...i was asked, by JP, what my opinion was on Chatwin's hair.....so :oldrazz:

Yes, dammit. :cmad::oldrazz:

Avangarde

01-31-2008, 07:04 AM

Hmm, my opinions on the direction of this movie is a little up in the air, and I don't want to jump the gun on it. On one hand they seem to be keeping up with the source material for the most part, but on the other hand it still has that "rushed and cheap" feel, and the casting could have been handled a bit better. It kind of bothers me that if they are remaining true to the original manga/anime that it won't get the attention it needs, I can't help but think that after the movie has been released people will say "that's the Dragon Ball I know and love but if only they put more time into it it could have been so much more grand". I have made some comments in the past about how DB has the potential to be something as epic as Lord of the Rings, I still believe it could have been, and considering that they remain true to its original form, I can't help but think it's a wasted effort and, dare I say it, if you are going to do a half cut job then you shouldn't touch it at all. I still could be wrong, and for the sake of this movie I hope that I am, but that's the way I feel at this current time in its production. I guess I'll have to wait until I see a teaser/trailer to get a better idea.

<shrugs>