Republican Maine Caucuses and Super Tuesday Thread

[hippie_hunter]

Well since Florida is ending tonight, it's time to move on the next contests: Maine for the Republicans and Super Tuesday!

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Alabama Republican Primary
Mike Huckabee - 230,608 - 41% - 20 delegates
John McCain - 210,989 - 37% - 16 delegates
Mitt Romney - 103,295 - 18%
Ron Paul - 15,454 - 3%
Rudy Giuliani - 2,224 - 1%
Uncommitted - 1,252 - 0%

Alabama Democratic Primary
Barack Obama - 302,684 - 56% - 20 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 226,454 - 42% - 21 delegates
John Edwards - 7,933 - 1%
Uncommitted - 2,672 - 1%

Alaska Republican Caucuses
Mitt Romney - 5,126 - 44% - 12 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 2,548 - 22% - 6 delegates
Ron Paul - 1,955 - 17% - 5 delegates
John McCain - 1,804 - 15% - 3 delegates
Uncommitted - 187 - 2%

Alaska Democratic Caucuses
Barack Obama - 302 - 75% - 9 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 103 - 25% 4 delegates
Uncommitted - 1 - 0%
John Edwards - 0 - 0%

Arizona Republican Primary
John McCain - 233,299 - 48% - 50 delegates
Mitt Romney - 169,006 - 34%
Mike Huckabee - 44,520 - 9%
Rudy Giuliani - 20,750 - 4%
Ron Paul - 12,776 - 3%

Arizona Democratic Primary
Hillary Clinton - 204,930 - 51% - 30 delegates
Barack Obama - 171,368 - 42% - 25 delegates
John Edwards

Arkansas Republican Primary
Mike Huckabee - 132,538 - 60% - 29 delegates
John McCain - 44,608 - 20% - 1 delegate
Mitt Romney - 29,608 - 14% - 1 delegate
Ron Paul - 10,568 - 5%
Uncommitted - 944 - 1%
Rudy Giuliani - 631 - 0%

Arkansas Democratic Primary
Hillary Clinton - 209,968 - 70% - 27 delegates
Barack Obama - 79,411 - 27% - 8 delegates
John Edwards - 5,662 - 2%
Uncommitted - 3,297 - 1%

California Republican Primary
John McCain - 994,262 - 42% - 149 delegates
Mitt Romney - 807,914 - 34% - 6 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 274,479 - 12%
Rudy Giuliani - 116,118 - 5%
Ron Paul - 100,439 - 4%

California Democratic Primary
Hillary Clinton - 2,144,251 -52% - 195 delegates
Barack Obama - 1,746,013 - 42% - 152 delegates
John Edwards - 170,467 - 4%

Colorado Republican Caucuses
Mitt Romney - 33,288 - 60% - 43 delegates
John McCain - 10,621 - 19%
Mike Huckabee - 7,266 - 13%
Ron Paul - 4,670 - 8%

Colorado Democratic Caucuses
Barack Obama - 79,344 - 67% - 13 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 38,587 - 32% - 6 delegates
Uncommitted - 1,253 - 1%

Conneticut Republican Primary
John McCain - 78,741 - 52% - 27 delegates
Mitt Romney - 49,851 - 33%
Mike Huckabee - 10,591 - 7%
Ron Paul - 6,092 - 4%
Uncommitted - 2,470 - 2%
Rudy Giuliani - 2,414 - 2%

Conneticut Democratic Primary
Barack Obama - 179,349 - 51% - 26 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 164,831 - 47% - 22 delegates
John Edwards - 3,408 - 1%
Uncommitted - 3,007 - 1%

Delaware Republican Primary
John McCain - 22,626 - 45% - 18 delegates
Mitt Romney - 16,344 - 33%
Mike Huckabee - 7,706 - 15%
Ron Paul - 2,131 - 4%
Rudy Giuliani - 1,255 - 3%

Delaware Democratic Primary
Barack Obama - 51,124 - 53% - 9 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 40,751 - 43% - 6 delegates
Joe Biden - 2,863 - 3%
John Edwards - 1,241 - 1%

Florida Republican Primary (Delegates Cut in Half)
John McCain - 693,508 - 36% - 57 delegates
Mitt Romney - 598,188 - 31%
Rudy Giuliani - 281,781 - 15%
Mike Huckabee - 259,735 - 14%
Ron Paul - 62,063 - 3%
Fred Thompson - 22,288 - 1%
Duncan Hunter - 2,787 - 0%

Florida Democratic Primary (No Delegates)
Hillary Clinton - 857,208 - 50%
Barack Obama - 569,041 - 33%
John Edwards - 248,604 - 14%
Dennis Kucinich - 9,537 - 1%

Georgia Republican Primary
Mike Huckabee - 326,069 - 34% - 45 delegates
John McCain - 303,639 - 32% - 3 delegates
Mitt Romney - 289,737 - 30%
Ron Paul - 27,978 - 3%
Rudy Giuliani - 7,039 - 1%

Georgia Democratic Primary
Barack Obama - 700,366 - 67% - 39 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 328,129 - 31% - 21 delegates
John Edwards - 17,990 - 2%

Idaho Democratic Caucuses
Barack Obama - 16,880 - 79% - 15 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 3,655 - 17% - 3 delegates
Uncommitted - 552 - 3%
John Edwards - 137 - 1%

Illinois Republican Primary
John McCain - 54 delegates
Mitt Romney - 2 delegates
Mike Huckabee
Ron Paul
Rudy Giuliani

Illinois Democratic Primary
Barack Obama - 72 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 37 delegates
John Edwards

Iowa Republican Caucuses
Mike Huckabee - 40,841 - 34% - 17 delegates
Mitt Romney - 29,949 - 25% - 12 delegates
Fred Thompson - 15,904 - 13% - 3 delegates
John McCain - 15,559 - 13% - 3 delegates
Ron Paul - 11,817 - 10% - 2 delegates
Rudy Giuliani - 4,097 - 4%
Duncan Hunter - 524 - 1%
Tom Tancredo - 5 - 0%

Iowa Democratic Caucuses
Barack Obama - 940 - 38% - 16 delegates
John Edwards - 744 - 30% - 14 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 737 - 29% - 15 delegates
Bill Richardson - 53 - 2%
Joe Biden - 23 - 1%
Uncommitted - 3 - 0%
Chris Dodd - 1 - 0%
Mike Gravel - 0 - 0%
Dennis Kucinich - 0 - 0%

Kansas Democratic Primary
Barack Obama - 27,172 - 74% - 23 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 9,462 - 26% - 9 delegates
John Edwards - 53 - 0%
Uncommitted - 8 - 0%

Maine Republican Caucuses
Mitt Romney - 2,362 - 52% - 18 delegates
John McCain - 958 - 21%
Ron Paul - 851 - 19%
Mike Huckabee - 268 - 6%
Undecided - 94 - 2%
Fred Thompson - 4 - 0%
Rudy Giuliani - 2 - 0%
Duncan Hunter - 0 - 0%

Massachusetts Republican Primary
Mitt Romney - 255,248 - 51% - 22 delegates
John McCain - 204,027 - 41% - 18 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 19,168 - 4%
Ron Paul - 13,210 - 3%
Rudy Giuliani - 2,643 - 1%
No Preference - 1,875 - 0%

Massachusetts Democratic Primary
Hillary Clinton - 704,591 - 56% - 54 delegates
Barack Obama - 511,887 - 41% - 37 delegates
John Edwards - 19,889 - 2%
No Preference - 7,766 - 1%

Michigan Republican Primary (Delegates Cut in Half)
Mitt Romney - 337,847 - 39% - 24 delegates
John McCain - 257,521 - 30% - 5 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 139,699 - 16% - 1 delegate
Ron Paul - 54,434 - 6%
Fred Thompson - 32,135 - 4%
Rudy Giuliani - 24,706 - 3%
Uncommitted - 18,106 - 2%
Duncan Hunter - 2,823 - 0%

Michigan Democratic Primary (No Delegates)
Hillary Clinton - 328,151 - 55%
Uncommitted - 237,762 - 40%
Dennis Kucinich - 21,708 - 4%
Chris Dodd - 3,853 - 1%
Mike Gravel - 2,363 - 0%

Minnesota Republican Caucuses
Mitt Romney - 36 delegates
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
Ron Paul
Rudy Giuliani

Minnesota Democratic Caucuses
Barack Obama - 48 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 24 delegates
Uncommitted
John Edwards

Missouri Republican Primary
John McCain - 194,304 - 33% - 58 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 185,627 - 32%
Mitt Romney - 172,564 - 29%
Ron Paul - 26,445 - 4%
Rudy Giuliani - 3,595 - 1%
Uncommitted - 2,083 - 0%

Missouri Democratic Primary
Barack Obama - 405,284 - 49% - 30 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 395,287 - 48% - 30 delegates
John Edwards - 16,747 - 2%
Uncommitted - 3,135 - 1%

Montana Republican Caucuses
Mitt Romney - 625 - 38% - 25 delegates
Ron Paul - 400 - 25%
John McCain - 358 - 22%
Mike Huckabee - 245 - 15%

Nevada Republican Caucuses
Mitt Romney - 22,649 - 51% - 18 delegates
Ron Paul - 6,087 - 14% - 4 delegates
John McCain - 5,651 - 13% - 4 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 3,616 - 8% - 2 delegates
Fred Thompson - 3,521 - 8%
Rudy Giuliani - 1,910 - 4%
Duncan Hunter - 890 - 2%

Nevada Democratic Caucuses
Hillary Clinton - 5,355 - 51% - 12 delegates
Barack Obama - 4,773 - 45% - 13 delegates
John Edwards - 396 - 4%
Uncommitted - 31 - 0%
Dennis Kucinich - 5% - 0%
Bill Richardson - 0 - 0%

New Hampshire Republican Primary
John McCain - 88,466 - 37% - 7 delegates
Mitt Romney - 75,343 - 32% - 4 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 26,768 - 11% - 1 delegate
Rudy Giuliani - 20,395 - 9%
Ron Paul - 18,303 - 8%
Fred Thompson - 2,886 - 1%
Duncan Hunter - 1,220 - 0%

New Hampshire Democratic Primary
Hillary Clinton - 112,251 - 39% - 9 delegates
Barack Obama - 104,772 - 37% - 9 delegates
John Edwards - 48,681 - 17% - 4 delegates
Bill Richardson - 13,249 - 5%
Dennis Kucinich - 3,919 - 1%
Joe Biden - 628 - 0%
Mike Gravel - 402 - 0%
Chris Dodd - 202 - 0%

New Jersey Republican Primary
John McCain - 52 delegates
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
Ron Paul
Rudy Giuliani

New Jersey Democratic Primary
Hillary Clinton - 51 delegates
Barack Obama - 37 delegates
John Edwards

New York Republican Primary
John McCain - 101 delegates
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
Ron Paul
Rudy Giuliani

New York Democratic Primary
Hillary Clinton - 127 delegates
Barack Obama - 87 delegates
John Edwards

North Dakota Republican Caucuses
Mitt Romney - 3,490 - 36% - 8 delegates
John McCain - 2,224 - 23% - 5 delegates
Ron Paul - 2,082 - 21% - 5 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 1,947 - 20% - 5 delegates

North Dakota Democratic Caucuses
Barack Obama - 11,625 - 61% - 8 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 6,948 - 37% - 5 delegates
John Edwards - 283 - 2%

Oklahoma Republican Primary
John McCain - 122,748 - 37% - 32 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 110,486 - 33% - 6 delegates
Mitt Romney - 83,018 - 25%
Ron Paul - 11,179 - 3%
Rudy Giuliani - 2,412 - 1%

Oklahoma Democratic Primary
Hillary Clinton - 228,425 - 55% - 24 delegates
Barack Obama - 130,087 - 31% - 14 delegates
John Edwards - 42,718 - 10%

South Carolina Republican Primary (Delegates Cut in Half)
John McCain - 147,283 - 33% - 19 delegates
Mike Huckabee - 132,440 - 30% - 5 delegates
Fred Thompson - 69,467 - 16%
Mitt Romney - 67,132 - 15%
Ron Paul - 16,054 - 4%
Rudy Giuliani - 9,494 - 2%
Duncan Hunter - 1,048 - 0%

South Carolina Democratic Primary
Barack Obama - 295,091 - 55% - 25 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 141,128 - 27% - 12 delegates
John Edwards - 93,552 - 18% - 8 delegates
Dennis Kucinich - 551 - 0%

Tennesse Republican Primary
Mike Huckabee - 189,443 - 34% - 21 delegates
John McCain - 174,763 - 32% - 14 delegates
Mitt Romney - 129,722 - 24% - 9 delegates
Ron Paul - 30,730 - 6%
Fred Thompson - 16,044 - 3%
Rudy Giuliani - 5,100 - 1%
Uncommitted - 1,812 - 0%

Tennesee Democratic Primary
Hillary Clinton - 332,599 - 54% - 34 delegates
Barack Obama - 250,730 - 41% - 21 delegates
John Edwards - 27,644 - 4%
Uncommitted - 3,123 - 1%

Utah Republican Primary
Mitt Romney - 36 delegates
John McCain
Ron Paul
Mike Huckabee
Rudy Giuliani

Utah Democratic Primary
Barack Obama - 14 delegates
Hillary Clinton - 9 delegates
John Edwards

West Virginia Republican Convention
Mike Huckabee - 567 - 52% - 18 delegates
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%
Rudy Giuliani - 0 - 0%
Ron Paul - 0 - 0%

Wyoming Republican County Conventions (Delegates Cut in Half)
Mitt Romney - 8 - 67% - 8 delegates
Fred Thompson - 3 - 25% - 3 delegates
Duncan Hunter - 1 - 8% - 1 delegate
Rudy Giuliani - 0 - 0%
Mike Huckabee - 0 - 0%
John McCain - 0 - 0%
Ron Paul - 0 - 0%
Uncommitted - 0 - 0%

[The Senator]

DEMOCRATS

Clinton wins California, New York, and New Jersey, Minnesota and Tennessee for sure. She'll possibly win in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Kansas and Arizona.

Obama wins Illinois and Georgia for sure. He may possibly win Colorado, Connecticut and Massachusetts (the latter depend on whether Kennedy's endorsement really matters).

Edwards wins nothing.

REPUBLICANS

John McCain wins Arizona and California (though CA is not a winner-take-all primary). Possible wins include Colorado, New York and New Jersey, though the latter victories depend on how he does tonight in Florida.

Mitt Romney wins Massachusetts, Illinois and Idaho for sure. Possible wins include Colorado, New York, and New Jersey, depending on the outcome of Florida. Because California awards its delegates by Congressional district instead of the usual winner-take-all system, Romney could still win 100 or so delegates and stay far ahead of McCain.

Mike Huckabee wins Kansas and Tennessee-- if he wins anything.

Rudy: He won't make it past tomorrow.


On a side note: Why are Alan Keyes and Mike Gravel even on that map?

[hippie_hunter]

On a side note: Why are Alan Keyes and Mike Gravel even on that map?
Because they're still formally in the race.

[The Senator]

Because they're still formally in the race.

Well, so are Democrats Henry Hewes and Lyndon LaRouche, and Republicans Hugh Cort and Dan Gilbert.

[hippie_hunter]

I didn't make the map okay so lay off my back :cmad:

[The Senator]

I didn't make the map okay so lay off my back :cmad:

:csad:

[hippie_hunter]

Hey, the new updated map got rid of Alan Keyes!

[The Senator]

Yay!

[Matt]

Well, I'd say McCain vs. Hillary is a lock at this point. Hillary will win big on Super Tuesday and secure the nomination. After his win in Florida, McCain will do the same. Buckle up kids...if you thought Bush/Kerry got dirty...you ain't seen nothin' yet.

[The Senator]

Yeah, I'm expecting Walnuts McCain to keep his hold in California, New York and New Jersey. It'd take quite a miracle for Romney to steal his thunder at this point.

[Matt]

sooo, if anyone cares, Romney won Maine. Think this changes anything?

[The Senator]

sooo, if anyone cares, Romney won Maine. Think this changes anything?

Phew, Maine was such an important state this year. He's definitely got Super Tuesday in the bag now-- as if there was any doubt before.

[Matt]

You're sarcasim is duly noted :cmad:

[Venom'sDad]

Didn't know this thread existed... but anyhow....




Tim Russert of MSNBC reported on his show that, "hillary is indicating to the DNC, that the delegates of Michigan & Florida should count, should the candidates delegates go to the floor at the National Convention, if there is no clear majority . The DNC and the Candidates all agree that those states delegates would not count, because of those states moving up their primary. Also, there should not be any active campaigning there by any of the candidates campaigns." Russert also said, "There are beginning to be some rumblings about the possibility of the Party splitting if hillary press the issue."

Just like the Nevada Caucus, hillary & Co. are trying to change the rules, that everyone agreed to.

One of the panelist on Russert show said, "Top DNC officials have express serious disappointment with her holding a photo-op rally and giving the impression of a legitimate win, in Fort Lauderdale after the Florida Primary. There is feelings that the two candidates will split the delegates that are up for grab SuperTuesday, 60-40 hillary; but caution, Obama fast rise leading up to SuperTuesday may bring the percentage count much closer."

Why am I not surprise... her & Bill will do anything it to win. Complete disregards of the consequences, like fractioning the Party for an example... alienating Party Leaders. Any one who think Obama would ask her to be part of a Obama/Clinton ticket or vice-versa, is just.....

[The Senator]

Jesus ****ing Christ....

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well, I'd say McCain vs. Hillary is a lock at this point. Hillary will win big on Super Tuesday and secure the nomination. After his win in Florida, McCain will do the same. Buckle up kids...if you thought Bush/Kerry got dirty...you ain't seen nothin' yet.

A lock? I don't think so. Everything is waaaaaaaaaaaay to close to call at this point. The numbers alone show Billary and Obama in a dead heat, and he's actually 4 points ahead of her in California at this moment. He's within a 2-6 point striking distance in the other states, and ahead in Georgia and Illionis. Now of course, all of this is subject to change at any moment, but I don't believe the country will have a clear frontrunner come Tuesday.

Besides, it's not about votes at this point anyway--it's about delegates. And the Dem party is clearly split right now....and I kid you not!

[StorminNorman]

Romney is surging in California. Now has a lead on McCain according to Zogby.

[Malice]

I think Romney is behind, but I think he will do ok.
How far, I really no idea, I just have a sinking feeling it will not be as good as is needed.

[The Senator]

I hope Romney can surge late in the game. The anti-McCain sentiments from the right are growing louder each day, so it's entirely possible. And as a Dem, McCain seems like the most threating Republican at this point. Romney wouldn't be an easy candidate to defeat, but I think it would be easier to win against him than McCain.

[Rated-X]

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Terrence McAuliffe, the multimillionaire wheeler-dealer imposed by the Clintons on the Democratic National Committee as its chairman after the 2000 election, quickly paid back his benefactors. He designed a front-loaded primary system intended to confirm Sen. Hillary Clinton as presidential nominee by Feb. 5. Contrary to expectations, however, no choice will be made for months and perhaps not until the national convention at Denver in late August.

There is no mathematical possibility of Mega Tuesday balloting in 22 states tomorrow for 1,681 delegates -- labeled the first "national" primary -- giving either Clinton or Sen. Barack Obama close to the 2,025 delegates necessary for nomination. That unexpected reality is produced by Obama's appeal, Clinton fatigue and extreme proportional representation adopted by the Democratic Party.

The nation's two political parties have reverted to form after appearing to have exchanged identities. Democrats a year ago seemed to be emulating Republican practice in settling for an early anointed candidate, Sen. Clinton, while the divided GOP field resembled historic Democratic practice in the absence of an incumbent president. Republicans, who traditionally abhor competition, are ready tomorrow to crown Sen. John McCain as their nominee. Democrats will still be battling.

The full consequences of adopting proportional representation three decades ago finally will be realized by the Democratic Party. In 1972, supporters of Hubert Humphrey protested George McGovern's winner-take-all capture of the huge California delegation that clinched the presidential nomination. Appalled at being called majoritarians, McGovernite liberals adopted proportional representation. For the next seven presidential elections, Democrats have avoided its impact creating a stalemate, in the absence of a prolonged two-candidate contest.

Under proportional representation, a candidate collects delegates by achieving the 15 percent viability level either statewide or in a congressional district. In a four-delegate district, Clinton could win 59 percent of the vote and still split the delegates with Obama, two to two. The impact of California consequently is dissipated in view of polls showing Clinton's former double-digit lead cut in half. Although she can win handily in New York and New Jersey, Obama will be first in Illinois and smaller states, and is strong in barometric Missouri. So, the supposed national primary will settle nothing.

Nor, because of delegate division, is it guaranteed that a nominee would be selected by March 4, in the Texas and Ohio primaries, or even by April 22, when Pennsylvania votes. Many of the 796 "super delegates" (unelected prominent Democrats) can remain undecided. Finally, Clinton will try to restore Florida and Michigan delegates purged from convention rolls for scheduling their primaries too early -- primaries that she won virtually uncontested. That raises the specter of rival delegations from those two states arriving in Denver, prompting an old-fashioned credentials fight.

Before that happens, the issue may be settled by either Clinton or Obama emerging as the clear popular vote winner in the primaries and clinching the nomination while short of a majority of delegates. But that begs the question of why the issue is still in doubt. McAuliffe, now the Clinton campaign's national chairman, calculated that front-loading would make his candidate the de facto nominee by now so that full time could be devoted to attacking the Republicans and raising funds against them.

The answer can be found in the surprising list of senators who endorsed Obama after Clinton won the New Hampshire primary: Edward M. Kennedy and John Kerry of Massachusetts, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Tim Johnson of South Dakota, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Claire McCaskill of Missouri. McCaskill is the least prominent of the group as a freshman, but she has attracted favorable attention during her first year in the Senate as a principled independent. She was campaigning hard last week for Obama in Missouri against her sister senator.

Senatorial support of Obama helps explain why the McAuliffe plan failed. In addition to habitual Democratic resistance to being controlled, many colleagues simply do not trust Clinton. They complain that in Thursday's debate from Los Angeles she repeated that she opposed the Levin amendment to the 2003 Iraq war resolution because it would "subordinate" U.S. decision-making to the United Nations. It did not, and Clinton made no such claim until her presidential campaign. That kind of performance has helped build the stalemate.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_commentary/commentary_by_robert_d_novak/democratic_stalemate

VD might be right about Hillary in Michigan & Florida.

[souvlaki]

Hillary Clinton cries in Connecticut

by Jason George

NEW HAVEN, Conn. – Sen. Hillary Clinton teared up this morning at an event at the Yale Child Study Center, where she worked while in law school in the early 1970s.

Penn Rhodeen, who was introducing Clinton, began to choke up, leading Clinton's eyes to fill with tears, which she wiped out of her left eye. At the time, Rhodeen was saying how proud he was that sheepskin-coat, bell-bottom-wearing young woman he met in 1972 was now running for president.

"Well, I said I would not tear up; already we're not exactly on the path," Clinton said with emotion after the introduction.

Clinton is holding a roundtable discussion with Connecticut women to talk about childcare and healthcare.

When Clinton got misty-eyed at an event in New Hampshire on Jan. 7, politicos and pundits filled hours discussing if it helped her, and Clinton eventually pointed to the moment as when she "found her voice" and turned the corner in the Granite State.

At the time, there was much debate if the candidate's emotional response to a question -- "How do you do it?"" -- was genuine or calculated.

Let the conversation begin again...



Knowing the stupidity of American voters, this probably won her the primary.

[The Senator]

She sheds a few tears in Connecticut after a friend gave an emotional introduction, and suddenly she's public enemy number one. Regardless of what happened in New Hampshire, I doubt this incident was calculated. She also made light of the incident in her speech, so I'm under the impression this was legitimate.

And if it wins her the primary... that's just further evidence that Barack Obama couldn't run a solid enough campaign.

[Malice]

Not again....
WAHHHHHH

I want to prove I have feelings!
WAHHHHHH

[souvlaki]

She sheds a few tears in Connecticut after a friend gave an emotional introduction, and suddenly she's public enemy number one. Regardless of what happened in New Hampshire, I doubt this incident was calculated. She also made light of the incident in her speech, so I'm under the impression this was legitimate.

And if it wins her the primary... that's just further evidence that Barack Obama couldn't run a solid enough campaign.

I saw her mentioning it as a sign that she was not being genuine. "Hey guys, incase it wasn't apparent a few seconds ago, I wanted to remind you that I was just crying. See, I do have feelings!" It just feels way too calculated, especially the day before Super Tuesday.

And that is ridiculous to blame Obama losing on not running a solid enough campaign. Clinton has name recognition, and was the clear frontrunner the second this race started. By all accounts, she had this election in the bag. Even if Obama does not end up winning the nomination Obama completely demolished all expectations. He has ran an amazing campaign, and if you cant see that you are blind. I am actually shocked how well he has held up against the Clintons'.

[Venom'sDad]

I saw her mentioning it as a sign that she was not being genuine. "Hey guys, incase it wasn't apparent a few seconds ago, I wanted to remind you that I was just crying. See, I do have feelings!" It just feels way too calculated, especially the day before Super Tuesday.

And that is ridiculous to blame Obama losing on not running a solid enough campaign. Clinton has name recognition, and was the clear frontrunner the second this race started. By all accounts, she had this election in the bag. Even if Obama does not end up winning the nomination Obama completely demolished all expectations. He has ran an amazing campaign, and if you cant see that you are blind. I am actually shocked how well he has held up against the Clintons'.

That was very well said. :up:

Look, most hillary supporters make outrageous claims and questionable comments. The fact of the matter, and it has been reported by CNN & FoxNews recently, the reason why hillary won NH, Nev, MI & FL(uncontested), and what they suspect in CA, AZ, NJ, MO, and TN is because of "Early Voting". Voting cast long before Obama's momentum, when she was considered "Inevitable".

That's the downside of voting early, before fully being informed about a candidate positions and what they say and how they say it in debates.

[The Senator]

That was very well said. :up:

Look, most hillary supporters make outrageous claims and questionable comments. The fact of the matter, and it has been reported by CNN & FoxNews recently, the reason why hillary won NH, Nev, MI & FL(uncontested), and what they suspect in CA, AZ, NJ, MO, and TN is because of "Early Voting". Voting cast long before Obama's momentum, when she was considered "Inevitable".

That's the downside of voting early, before fully being informed about a candidate positions and what they say and how they say it in debates.

How horrible! People actually voted for who they wanted to vote for three weeks ago, without jumping ship because the media told them to.

This election has been going on for a full year now. If members of the Democratic Party in those states didn't read up on the candidates before they cast their ballot, then it's their own damn fault. Besides, people who have the initiative to apply for an early voting ballot, fill it out and send it in obviously did so for a reason. They didn't vote for someone on a lark; they knew who they were voting for from the get-go and most likely did so with very little regret.

[The Senator]

I saw her mentioning it as a sign that she was not being genuine. "Hey guys, incase it wasn't apparent a few seconds ago, I wanted to remind you that I was just crying. See, I do have feelings!" It just feels way too calculated, especially the day before Super Tuesday.

And that is ridiculous to blame Obama losing on not running a solid enough campaign. Clinton has name recognition, and was the clear frontrunner the second this race started. By all accounts, she had this election in the bag. Even if Obama does not end up winning the nomination Obama completely demolished all expectations. He has ran an amazing campaign, and if you cant see that you are blind. I am actually shocked how well he has held up against the Clintons'.

I agree that he managed to mobilize his supporters like no other candidate. But to say that Hillary won New Hampshire because she cried, or that she's going to win Super Tuesday because she cried, is plain silly. If voters were truly disgusted, if they truly found it fake and insincere, they wouldn't vote for her. But voters most likely don't care one way or another, and the ones who do care aren't planning on voting for her to begin with. If Obama and his supporters are going to blame Clinton's win on a few tears, then they're the ones who are blind to the world. The Obama camp obviously didn't run a good enough campaign, if that's the case.

[Lightning Strykez!]

And if it wins her the primary... that's just further evidence that Barack Obama couldn't run a solid enough campaign.


Are you...serious? $32 million funds raised in a 30-day time period doesn't translate to a "solid" campaign? What about the incredible senate and star power that has coalesced behind him? I've never seen support like that for past presidential hopefuls. And God knows Hillary doesn't have that kind of momentum behind her--they (the Dem party) DO NOT LIKE HER. :p

Whether he wins or not, it is clear that Mr. Obama has eclipsed Team Billary--and gave her a seeerrrrious run for her money. No one can deny that. :whatever:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I agree that he managed to mobilize his supporters like no other candidate. But to say that Hillary won New Hampshire because she cried, or that she's going to win Super Tuesday because she cried, is plain silly.

You overestimate people in this world Jman. People really are that gullible--and yes, their votes will reflect that. Everyone knows that it was women that carried Hillary in N.H.--the same gender group that abandoned her just a week earlier in Iowa. When polled, those women said they found her cold, unrelatable and polarizing. Hillary's advisors told her she needed to warm up. So just a day before the next primary she just happened to shed a few tears in a cafe full of women? Something she's NEVER done before on national TV?

C'mon man, do the math. She did it to provide fodder for the media.


If voters were truly disgusted, if they truly found it fake and insincere, they wouldn't vote for her.

Trust me, there are many who didn't...and just because of that. Shallow? Perhaps, but again, people today are just that--shallow. However, they also have the power to cast a ballot.


But voters most likely don't care one way or another, and the ones who do care aren't planning on voting for her to begin with. If Obama and his supporters are going to blame Clinton's win on a few tears, then they're the ones who are blind to the world. The Obama camp obviously didn't run a good enough campaign, if that's the case.

And what if Obama had the head start that she had? You seem to be forgetting that she's had a "build-up" for well over a year now. She's deeply entrenched in the minds of the American public. Up until now, she was the "definite"--and now, within just a matter of MONTHS that has changed. Now she's in the battle of her life to get this nom.

And you say he didn't run a "good enough campaign"? :indy:

[The Senator]

You overestimate people in this world Jman. People really are that gullible--and yes, their votes will reflect that. Everyone knows that it was women that carried Hillary in N.H.--the same gender group that abandoned her just a week earlier in Iowa. When polled, those women said they found her cold, unrelatable and polarizing. Hillary's advisors told her she needed to warm up. So just a day before the next primary she just happened to shed a few tears in a cafe full of women? Something she's NEVER done before on national TV?

She led New Hampshire by 15-20% before Obama won Iowa. Then, he got the typical post-Iowa bump in the polls, and the media rode her off. Yeah, she cried in between the contests, but I highly doubt she won because she shed a few tears. Obama's strengths were with independents, which the stats say flocked to McCain by a 2-1 margin. Therefore, Obama lost the independent vote, and ultimately the primary in New Hampshire. The people who supported him most already hated Hillary, so the tears had nothing to do with it. The open primary did.

C'mon man, do the math. She did it to provide fodder for the media.

Already did. Look at every poll before January 3... she led him between 4-20 points between November and Iowa, with a few slight leads by Obama in between.


And what if Obama had the head start that she had? You seem to be forgetting that she's had a "build-up" for well over a year now. She's deeply entrenched in the minds of the American public. Up until now, she was the "definite"--and now, within just a matter of MONTHS that has changed. Now she's in the battle of her life to get this nom.

Obama immediately jumped to second place after he even flirted with the idea of running in October 2006. He wasn't expected to run. The general consensus was it would Hillary, Warner, Feingold, Edwards, Bayh, Dodd, Biden, Richardson, Vilsack and possibly Gore duking it out... with Obama as an after thought. So, yes, her support was there. But Obama built his support fast, and immediately emerged as the anti-Hillary contender. So he very well could have overtaken her in the process. He had great grassroots support, and excellent youth coalition behind him. Hell, the media painted him in more of a positive light every chance they got... not to mention that he's raised the most money of any candidate in the history of U.S. presidential elections.

All of that should have made him inevitable, right? Well, he didn't do enough to overtake her early enough, when he could have-- and should have-- been able to. Up until October, he wasn't sure what kind of campaign he was running. So he had organization among his supporters... but he couldn't organize his campaign into what it should have been, and that hurt him early on, and ultimately hurt him in New Hampshire and Nevada.

Can he overtake her tomorrow? I would be surprised if he wins big, but I'll be even more surprised if he comes belly up.

And you say he didn't run a "good enough campaign"? :indy:

Up until late December, he didn't run a good enough campaign. And if he doesn't win the nomination, it's because he didn't make his campaign what it should have and could have been from the start. Simple as that. You don't win an election hoping you'll win. You win an election through organization, mobilization and building support through coalitions of active members within your party. He's had the mobilization, been lax on organization, and up until recently, barely had a sizable coalition among politicians within his own party. He hasn't run a good campaign until late in the game, and historically speaking, that has never boded well for a Democratic candidate.

[The Senator]

Are you...serious? $32 million funds raised in a 30-day time period doesn't translate to a "solid" campaign? What about the incredible senate and star power that has coalesced behind him? I've never seen support like that for past presidential hopefuls. And God knows Hillary doesn't have that kind of momentum behind her--they (the Dem party) DO NOT LIKE HER. :p


She still leads in endorsements from Democratic Party figures. These endorsements include, but are not limited to:

-Former Senator Bob Kerrey
-Governor Jon Corzine
-Congressman Charlie Rangel
-Governor Ed Rendell
-Senator Diane Feinstein
-Philly Mayor Michael Nutter
-Jack Nicholson (who has been active in the Democratic Party but HAS NEVER endorsed a candidate for office)
-LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa
-Governor Mike Bebee
-Governor Chet Culver
-Governor Ted Kulongoski
-Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
-Governor Ted Strickland
-both gay members of Congress, Rep. Barney Frank and Rep. Tammy Baldwin
-Congresswoman Shelia Jackson Lee
-Governor Martin O'Malley...

Not to mention EVERY Democratic Representative from New York, as well as every statewide Democratic official in New York endorsed her. Obama doesn't even have all of Illinois' Democrats on board his endorsement bandwagon.

So to say that people and big party officials in the Democratic Party aren't behind her is silly and untrue.

[rdh007]

Are you...serious? $32 million funds raised in a 30-day time period doesn't translate to a "solid" campaign? What about the incredible senate and star power that has coalesced behind him? I've never seen support like that for past presidential hopefuls. And God knows Hillary doesn't have that kind of momentum behind her--they (the Dem party) DO NOT LIKE HER. :p

Whether he wins or not, it is clear that Mr. Obama has eclipsed Team Billary--and gave her a seeerrrrious run for her money. No one can deny that. :whatever:
Wait a minute. Are you saying the party doesn't like her? If so, I respectfully diagree. She is the establishment candidate. It is her turn, she is and has been the logical frontrunner since before she announced. Her name recognition and fund raising ability make this so. I don't know that Obama is really defying expectations and doing anything truly amazing, but the sense has been (just as it was with Bush in 2000 vs. McCain) that it's hers by default and the other guy's gonna have to run a perfect campaign to unseat her. It just so happens that Obama is doing okay and staying in the game.

With any luck, Clinton = 07/08 Patriots and Obama = 07/08 Giants

[rdh007]

-Jack Nicholson (who has been active in the Democratic Party but HAS NEVER endorsed a candidate for office)

Who cares? He's no Heath Ledger. ;) :o

[terry78]

My mom keeps saying it's all for naught and that McCain is going to take it all. She has become disillusioned with the process as of late apparantly.

[Super_Ludacris]

Wait a minute. Are you saying the party doesn't like her? If so, I respectfully diagree. She is the establishment candidate. It is her turn, she is and has been the logical frontrunner since before she announced. Her name recognition and fund raising ability make this so. I don't know that Obama is really defying expectations and doing anything truly amazing, but the sense has been (just as it was with Bush in 2000 vs. McCain) that it's hers by default and the other guy's gonna have to run a perfect campaign to unseat her. It just so happens that Obama is doing okay and staying in the game.

With any luck, Clinton = 07/08 Patriots and Obama = 07/08 Giants

I can only wish.

[Ghostvirus]

Today is the day b**chs!:cmad:

[Malice]

Go Romney....please beat McCain

[TripleR]

I'm really anxious to see who comes out on top today. I really really don't want to see Hilary win, but my gut tells me that shes going to win it, even if just by a little. I hope I'm wrong, I really like Obama and want him to win, but if I was asked who's gonna come out on top today I'm afraid I'd have to say Hilary by a slight margin.

[Ghostvirus]

^ agreed.

[hippie_hunter]

Go Romney....please beat McCain

Kick Romney's ass, but don't touch the hair please.

[Artos]

Go Romney....please beat McCain

Amen brother..here's hoping..

[Gamma Ray]

Lets see how the stock market is doing, shall we?

*goes to check*


*throws up*

[Radiant Dawn]

Go Romney....please beat McCain

If Romney becomes President, I'm leaving the country and renouncing my American citizenship. I will NOT be governed by a Mormon.

[Matt]

Go Fred Thompson................................ :dry:

[Matt]

If Romney becomes President, I'm leaving the country and renouncing my American citizenship. I will NOT be governed by a Mormon.

Mormon's are great. They get to say bat-**** wacky things and then the second their beliefs start to sound a bit...out there, not to use the word cult-like but....cult-like, God comes to talk to them and conveinently tells them to drop that belief and they have a total change of heart. Its awesome. Literally the ultimate cop-out religion :cwink: :woot:

[Artos]

Hey now...some people out there in Hype land might actually be Mormon ;)

[Matt]

Hey now...some people out there in Hype land might actually be Mormon ;)

Haha, yeah. :cwink:

But seriously, I've got no beef with Mormons and I found Romney's faith speech to probably the best speech of the entire primary season

[cyborg ninja 14]

Go Obama.

[souvlaki]

I'm really anxious to see who comes out on top today. I really really don't want to see Hilary win, but my gut tells me that shes going to win it, even if just by a little. I hope I'm wrong, I really like Obama and want him to win, but if I was asked who's gonna come out on top today I'm afraid I'd have to say Hilary by a slight margin.

Well actually, that's the beauty of Super Tuesday for Obama. If this is close (which it will be), but Hillary ends up on top it actually puts Obama in a good position. The longer this primary goes on the more it works to Obama's advantage. He continues to gain momentum as he has been the last week, and goes on to win in the later states and go to the convention with the most delegates. Or it could come down to the super delegates, that could vote overwhelmingly in Obama's favor (I dont think there are any polls indicating which way the super delegates are voting, but I could be wrong).

Of course ideally he would win the most delegates tonight. But I dont think even the Obama campaign expect that. They are aiming to be 100 delegates shy of Clinton after tonight.

[The Senator]

If Romney becomes President, I'm leaving the country and renouncing my American citizenship. I will NOT be governed by a Mormon.

Further proof that ignorance conquers all :up:

[hippie_hunter]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%

[rdh007]

Mormon's are great. They get to say bat-**** wacky things and then the second their beliefs start to sound a bit...out there, not to use the word cult-like but....cult-like, God comes to talk to them and conveinently tells them to drop that belief and they have a total change of heart. Its awesome. Literally the ultimate cop-out religion :cwink: :woot:
The real question is, will a Scientologist ever run for President? (Besides Reagan)

[The Senator]

The real question is, will a Scientologist ever run for President? (Besides Reagan)

Personally, I wouldn't care if a Scientologist ran for President, as long as he or she represented what I stood for the best.

[CorpusBlack]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%

Wow! McCain only got 1% in WV.

[CorpusBlack]

The real question is, will a Scientologist ever run for President? (Besides Reagan)

As long as it's not Tom Cruise I wouldn't care either way.

[Venom'sDad]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%

WOW! What a turnout! ;)

[souvlaki]

Wow! McCain only got 1% in WV.
From what I understand it was a caucus situation in that state. All of McCain's people were told to back Huckabee knowing that McCain didn't stand a chance. I may be wrong, but that was what it sounded like to me.

[The Senator]

WOW! What a turnout! ;)

It was a state convention, so the voters didn't decide the nominee; the state's Republican Party did.

[Prison Mike]

why were the polls in West Virginia closed so early? According to the Wall Street Journal, the polls close at 12:30 p.m. Why so early?

EDIT: jmanspice answered my question.

[hippie_hunter]

From what I understand it was a caucus situation in that state. All of McCain's people were told to back Huckabee knowing that McCain didn't stand a chance. I may be wrong, but that was what it sounded like to me.

It turns out that was the case. Romney should have won West Virginia, but he didn't get enough delegates to win. So by the second round after having a poor showing in the first round, most of McCain's supporters went to Huckabee so that Romney could lose which is what happened.

[Venom'sDad]

Wolf Blitzer of CNN "Situation Room" lol, is reporting voting irregularities in California.

[Matt]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%

Tsk, Huckabee is truly in this to play spoiler.

[StorminNorman]

If Romney becomes President, I'm leaving the country and renouncing my American citizenship. I will NOT be governed by a Mormon.

Love the Biggotry :up:

[rdh007]

West Virginia Results - 100% Reporting
Mike Huckabee - 557 - 52% - WINNER!!!
Mitt Romney - 521 - 47%
John McCain - 12 - 1%
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/GrailKnight.jpg
They chose poorly.

[BlackLantern]

why are people so uptight about Romney being Mormom??? its not like he's carting 4 wives around or anything

[Matt]

why are people so uptight about Romney being Mormom??? its not like he's carting 4 wives around or anything

The same reason people are so uptight about gay marriage and other issues that will literally never effect them in their entire life while their friends and family are dying in an unjust war and their jobs are being exported by the thousands due to free trade. Politicans are very very good at using diversionary issues.

[BlackLantern]

IMO thats the biggest problem in this society. all bluster about the gays and religion,etc, but at the end of the day if its not something that affects a persons little universe they could give a **** less. as long as your average american can pay the bills, drink their starbucks, and get the kids to school on time they could care less what goes on in the world around them.....

[Gamma Ray]

Conan, Colbert and Stewart are responsible for this!

[rdh007]

Colbert is the only one who can save us from the mess that he himself started.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ 1% damn...

[souvlaki]

New exit polls. Take these with a grain of salt, but damn... if these exit polls hold up, even if Clinton pulls off California, bad bad night for her.


OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...

CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...

[BlackLantern]

in terms of voter turnout in general it looks good...Connecticut is looking at a 40 plus percent turnout

[souvlaki]

Obama won Georgia. I think that was a given though.

[R0rschach]

Obama takes Georgia.

[Gamma Ray]

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/02/05/super.main/art.obama.ga.gi.jpg


Cocky bastard.

[Matt]

New exit polls. Take these with a grain of salt, but damn... if these exit polls hold up, even if Clinton pulls off California, bad bad night for her.


OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...

CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...

If those are accurate and Obama took Jersey and Massachusetts from her...then goddamn, Clinton is finished.

Obama takes Georgia, too close to call for Republicans. Georgia is an important state for Repubs, right?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Consider Obama was in the 20th percentile a month ago it's damn near amazing :o

[Matt]

CNN reports

McCain: Connecticut, Illinois (big win for him).

Romney: Massachusetts.

Obama: Illinois.

Clinton: Oklahoma.

No call on any of the other states at the moment.

[J. J. Jameson]

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/02/05/super.main/art.obama.ga.gi.jpg


Cocky bastard.

More like...

http://messengerandadvocate.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/romney-2.jpg

"Yeah...I am that cool."

[Matt]

Consider Obama was in the 20th percentile a month ago it's damn near amazing :o

If these exit polls are accurate...and they seldomn are.

[Matt]

More like...

http://messengerandadvocate.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/romney-2.jpg

"Yeah...I am that cool."

With hair like that, he can be smug. Obama's hair isn't good enough to earn that right. :o

[Matt]

CNN calls New Jersey for McCain. Another big win for McCain.

[Matt]

CNN calls New Jersey for Romney. Hillary is up by 20 % but not many precincts reporting.

[J. J. Jameson]

New exit polls. Take these with a grain of salt, but damn... if these exit polls hold up, even if Clinton pulls off California, bad bad night for her.


OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...

CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...

Where did you get these? Link?

[Matt]

Clinton and Huckabee take Arkansas, no suprise.`

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton and Huckabee win Arkansas.

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton wins Tennesee

[Matt]

CNN calls Tennesse for Clinton, not a good sign for Obama.

[Matt]

Romney catching up in Georgia.

[Excel]

Ill believe Obama wins when I see em :o

[The Senator]

Clinton's 25 points ahead in New Jersey, and she leads in Missouri and Massachusetts.

[Matt]

Ill believe Obama wins when I see em :o

What? :huh:

[Spidey-Bat]

First time voting today. I'm not registered with any party but I declared Republican and voted McCain.

[J. J. Jameson]

CNN calls Tennesse for Clinton, not a good sign for Obama.

Exit polls predicted this. No big.

I'm still holding faith that Obama is gonna pull something off.

[Excel]

What? :huh:


New exit polls. Take these with a grain of salt, but damn... if these exit polls hold up, even if Clinton pulls off California, bad bad night for her.


OBAMA: Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...

CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...


:cwink:

[Matt]

Obama is up by 40 % in Alabama, I'm suprised it hasn't been called for him yet.

[Matt]

Exit polls predicted this. No big.

I'm still holding faith that Obama is gonna pull something off.

It is pretty big. Obama put a lot of time and money into Tennesse.

[The Senator]

Bold Predictions

Clinton wins New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Delaware, Arkansas and Arizona.

Obama wins California, Illinois, Georgia, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico, Utah, Alabama and Connecticut.

[The Senator]

Obama is up by 40 % in Alabama, I'm suprised it hasn't been called for him yet.

Yeah, I was looking at the Politico, and Hillary was ahead by 7 points... then it completely flipped.

[MaskedManJRK]

First time voting today. I'm not registered with any party but I declared Republican and voted McCain.

You can do that? :wow:

Every source I saw said the last day to do that was in January! :csad:

[Matt]

Bold Predictions

Clinton wins New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Delaware, Arkansas and Arizona.

Obama wins California, Illinois, Georgia, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico, Utah, Alabama and Connecticut.

Cali would be HUGE for Obama.

[Matt]

McCain takes Delaware.

[The Senator]

You can do that? :wow:

Every source I saw said the last day to do that was in January! :csad:

The last day to register to vote was a few weeks ago. In some states, you don't have to declare a party to vote in the primary or caucus.

[hippie_hunter]

McCain won Delaware

[The Senator]

I was watching MSNBC a few minutes ago, and I only have one question: What in all that is holy made Bill Richardson grow a beard? :huh:

[Matt]

I was watching MSNBC a few minutes ago, and I only have one question: What in all that is holy made Bill Richardson grow a beard? :huh:

Its a strike beard like Conan O'Brian. He figures Conan made Huckabee, so he in turn can have his candidacy saved by Conan :cwink:

[Matt]

McCain won Delaware

HA! BEAT YOU!

H_H and I are going to have an old fashioned gang fight over who gets to report :cwink:

[hippie_hunter]

*takes out knife*

[The Senator]

Its a strike beard like Conan O'Brian. He figures Conan made Huckabee, so he in turn can have his candidacy saved by Conan :cwink:

BREAKING NEWS!

BILL RICHARDSON WINS NEW YORK!






















:oldrazz:

[Matt]

*starts snapping and dancing* JETS!

[Matt]

BREAKING NEWS!

BILL RICHARDSON WINS NEW YORK!






















:oldrazz:

:wow: Its the O'Brian Bump! Take that Colbert :cwink:

[The Senator]

Clinton wins Massachusetts.

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton wins New York

[The Senator]

Clinton wins New York

I voted correctly!

[Matt]

CNN Projections:

Clinton: New York (no suprise there),

Obama:

McCain:

Romney:

Huckabee:

No other projections at the top of the hour.

[Zen]

I want to know how many delegates their winning... not who gets which state... many states its possible to win the state but get less delegates

[Matt]

Can Wolf Blitzer retire already?

[The Senator]

Can Wolf Blitzer retire already?

MSNBC FTW :up:

[The Senator]

Wolf Blitzer blows :csad:

[Matt]

MSNBC FTW :up:

I've changed just because Blitzer is driving me up the wall

Obama - Delaware.

[J. J. Jameson]

Wolf Blitzer blows :csad:

He wants to marry Hillary Clinton, I swear...

[The Senator]

He wants to marry Hillary Clinton, I swear...

He strikes me as asexual, to be honest.

[Excel]

Clinton has NY but theyve counted 13 votes?

[J. J. Jameson]

He strikes me as asexual, to be honest.

Eww...like with spores?

[The Senator]

Clinton has NY but theyve counted 13 votes?

Well, to be fair, they called Georgia and Illinois for Obama when the polls hadn't even closed.

Plus, it's her home state. If she loses this, she's finished.

[Matt]

Clinton has NY but theyve counted 13 votes?

13 %. When you factor that in with exit polls, you can make an accurate call.

[The Senator]

Eww...like with spores?

Yeah, but more bearded.

[Matt]

Massachusetts is huge for Clinton. If she takes Cali and Jersey, she will just about have the nomination locked. It won't be over...but it will be really hard for Obama to come back if Clinton wins all 4 big states.

[Excel]

Lets go Barrack! Win!

[Excel]

Massachusetts is huge for Clinton. If she takes Cali and Jersey, she will just about have the nomination locked. It won't be over...but it will be really hard for Obama to come back if Clinton wins all 4 big states.

Man damnnnn. The democracts dont know what their getting themselves into!

[The Senator]

Massachusetts is huge for Clinton. If she takes Cali and Jersey, she will just about have the nomination locked. It won't be over...but it will be really hard for Obama to come back if Clinton wins all 4 big states.

I depends on how much he loses by. He could lose by 5%, but could win almost the same number of delegates as Hillary, especially in a state as big as CA. Also, he could lose the popular vote, but still win more delegates.

I don't think Jersey will be much of a problem though.

[Matt]

Man damnnnn. The democracts dont know what their getting themselves into!

Says the guy who knows as little about politics as he does about the box office :cwink: When the Democrats shunned Edwards they gave the Republicans 4 more years. Obama may have been able to put up a better fight, but it would've been in vain.

[Matt]

I depends on how much he loses by. He could lose by 5%, but could win almost the same number of delegates as Hillary, especially in a state as big as CA. Also, he could lose the popular vote, but still win more delegates.

I don't think Jersey will be much of a problem though.

Cali is winner take all, if I'm not mistaken.

[The Senator]

Man damnnnn. The democracts dont know what their getting themselves into!

Well they certainly know what they're getting themselves into. That's why they voted for her in the first place! :oldrazz:

[The Senator]

Cali is winner take all, if I'm not mistaken.

None of the Democratic primaries are winner-take-all.

[Excel]

Well they certainly know what they're getting themselves into. That's why they voted for her in the first place! :oldrazz:

They are giving away a free election! Wtf!

Says the guy who knows as little about politics as he does about the box office :cwink:

If I knew as much about politics as I do box office Id be working for some political news team, not posting here ;)

[The Senator]

Walnuts McCain wins New York. But Chris Matthews says he hasn't won any Southern states yet. Interesting...

[hippie_hunter]

McCain wins New York

[hippie_hunter]

Walnuts McCain wins New York. But Chris Matthews says he hasn't won any Southern states yet. Interesting...

Delaware is a Southern state and he appears poised to win Tennesee, Alabama, and Oklahoma

[hippie_hunter]

Obama wins Alabama

[The Senator]

Delaware is a Southern state and he appears poised to win Tennesee, Alabama, and Oklahoma

Um, I don't know what United States you live in, but Deleware certainly isn't a Southern State.

[teseract]

Jesus for Betsy! This is exciting, I should have been in bed by now, it's past 3 am here but damn I can't sleep. :woot:

[The Senator]

Obama's got 71% of the vote so far in Kansas....

[Matt]

Even Romney's press secretary has perfect hair and a chizzled jaw.

[rdh007]

Huckabee?...Huckabee?...If for no other reason than his last name, for God's sake, don't vote for Huckabee, don't support him, don't force the old man to take him as the likely President.

*walks out, head down muttering Huckabee over and over*

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton wins Massachusetts

[hippie_hunter]

Um, I don't know what United States you live in, but Deleware certainly isn't a Southern State.

Delaware is officially classified as a Southern state. It's not a traditional one, but it's classified as one.

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton wins New Jersey

[E. Nygma]

Massachusetts is huge for Clinton. If she takes Cali and Jersey, she will just about have the nomination locked. It won't be over...but it will be really hard for Obama to come back if Clinton wins all 4 big states.

Clinton won NJ, NY, and MA it looks like

Granted i have no clue about politics or what is going on.

[Prison Mike]

wow, looks like Clinton is getting a lock on the nomination. But I have been wrong before (still sad over Giants victory).

[Excel]

Explain it to me, Barrack winning in 9 states shes only leading in 8...

[The Senator]

I think Mitt Romney may be finished tonight.

[BlackLantern]

the states that Hilary are winning carry more electoral votes

[Excel]

But this is a delegate race (?)

[The Senator]

Explain it to me, Barrack winning in 9 states shes only leading in 8...

It's about delegates, not states. He's winning states like Idaho, Kansas and North Dakota, which have lower Delegate counts, whereas she's winning New York, New Jersey and Tennessee, which have higher delegate counts.

[BlackLantern]

NY, TX, CA, are probably the most populous states in the US win those and your chances look damn good

[Zen]

so far no real surprises on the democratic side...

i thought obama would do better in mass but hes going to scoop up a fair number of delegates despite not carrying the state...

[The Senator]

NY, TX, CA, are probably the most populous states in the US win those and your chances look damn good

Texas isn't until March, though.

[Excel]

It's about delegates, not states. He's winning states like Idaho, Kansas and North Dakota, which have lower Delegate counts, whereas she's winning New York, New Jersey and Tennessee, which have higher delegate counts.

Buts its not winner take all, his smaller states should make up some of the difference right?

[Excel]

I talked to several people from mass who said they voted for clinton so john mccain would win the general election...

[Zen]

obama has a majority of th smaller states... if he can keep it close in cali this should be exciting

[hippie_hunter]

Mitt Romney wins Utah

[CrypticOne]

So did Hilary win the Democratic nomination? I'm confused. I want Obama to win!

[BlackLantern]

Mitt Romney wins Utah

big surprise there....if he lost the Mormon Command Base he should have quit then and there

[teseract]

Mitt Romney wins Utah

Not much of a surprise, is it? ^^

[BlackLantern]

So did Hilary win the Democratic nomination? I'm confused. I want Obama to win!

Not yet....the Democratic National Convention isnt untill later this year...thats when the nomination is officially announced....

[Excel]

Obama has Utah

[The Senator]

Buts its not winner take all, his smaller states should make up some of the difference right?

But if you win a majority of the delegates in the big states, it doesn't matter how many of the small states you win a majority in.

Say he wins in North Dakota, which has 13 delegates (I don't think that's right, but roll with it). He wins with 62% of the vote, so he wins 8 delegates, and Hillary wins four or five.

Then Hillary wins New York, which has 232 delegates. She wins with 63% of the vote, so she wins 146 delegates.

There's a huge difference, as you can tell. There's no way all the small states will help him; he needs a few big states in between.

[hippie_hunter]

John McCain wins Oklahoma

[teseract]

It's an act of God I tell you!:woot:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/05/tornados-force-some-tennessee-polling-places-to-close/

[CrypticOne]

Not yet....the Democratic National Convention isnt untill later this year...thats when the nomination is officially announced....

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. So tonight, it's just to see who has more states under their belt?

[The Senator]

big surprise there....if he lost the Mormon Command Base he should have quit then and there

Ugh. Why do people feel the need to bash Mormons?

[hippie_hunter]

Barack Obama wins North Dakota

[BlackLantern]

Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. So tonight, it's just to see who has more states under their belt?

Basically the way it works is that whichever candidate wins Super Tuesday will usually get their partys nomination. and I was not bashing Mormons, just saying that Romney SHOULD have won Utah, as it is where a good majority of Mormons live

[Excel]

God Huckabees wife is unattractive

[CrypticOne]

Basically the way it works is that whichever candidate wins Super Tuesday will usually get their partys nomination. and I was not bashing Mormons, just saying that Romney SHOULD have won Utah, as it is where a good majority of Mormons live

Alright, thanks. My understanding of this is complete.

[hippie_hunter]

Barack Obama wins Conneticut and Kansas

[hippie_hunter]

Mike Huckabee wins Alabama

[hippie_hunter]

Barack Obama wins Minnesota

[The Professor]

Romney with Utah, no surprise there.

[Excel]

well this party really died

[teseract]

Seems like Huckleberry Hound will win at least 4 more states.

[rdh007]

well this party really died

California is the big one left.

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, Huckabee's wins so far are no surprise, but I'm loving that Romney is thinking that his campaign can go on the way tonight is going so far.

[BlackLantern]

ooo how cute...Romney still thinks he has a chance....thats adorable

[teseract]

Yeah, Huckabee's wins so far are no surprise, but I'm loving that Romney is thinking that his campaign can go on the way tonight is going so far.

He's leading in Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee and won Alabama, Arkansas and WV.

[hippie_hunter]

John McCain wins Arizona

[Excel]

where can i find how many delegates each state has?

[Zen]

politico.com

realclearpolitics.com

[Gamma Ray]

msn has a pretty handy primary watch site.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22997326/

[The Senator]

Romney wins North Dakota.

[hippie_hunter]

Mitt Romney wins North Dakota

[The Senator]

Obama officially wins Idaho.

[BlackLantern]

wow such a pivotal state...North Dakota....how many people live there?? like 30 people and a sh**load of deer?? I thought it was a parking lot

[The Senator]

It looks like Huckabee's going to win Tennessee.

[teseract]

It looks like Huckabee's going to win Tennessee.
Not that much of a surprise really.

[Excel]

anybody watching missouri?

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Clinton will likely win Missouri, but it's very, very close with the Republicans.

[Excel]

Obama gaining and fast

[The Senator]

Basically the way it works is that whichever candidate wins Super Tuesday will usually get their partys nomination. and I was not bashing Mormons, just saying that Romney SHOULD have won Utah, as it is where a good majority of Mormons live

1) Okay, good to know you're not bashing the Mormons. "Mormon Command Center" seemed pretty flashy, though.

2) The winners of Super Tuesdays in the past have won their party's nomination because they won landslide victories. This year, it's a different story, at least for the Democrats. No one has one a clear victory, and even after California is called... it won't be decided for a few weeks, if not a few months. The big, later states such as Virginia, Maryland, Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania will be officially decide it this time around. Of course, if Obama wins CA, he may go on to win the later states. Even if he doesn't, he'll still have a good advantage in at least MD and VA. Hillary will be hurt by the later states, unfortunately.

[hippie_hunter]

Romney wins Minnesota.

[The Senator]

Not that much of a surprise really.

Actually it is, since McCain was leading there earlier. McCain was also leading Alabama, but Huckabee won that, too.

I find it interesting that McCain hasn't won any Southern States. Oklahoma is technically a western/ plains state, so that doesn't count. Very interesting indeed...

[rdh007]

Shows Michigan and Florida for trying to move up. They'd have been crucial.

[Excel]

hillarys winning cali.

[Lightning Strykez!]

God Huckabees wife is unattractive

Agreed. I honestly thought it was a man in drag when I first saw her. She's built like a line-backer. :(

[Lightning Strykez!]

hillarys winning cali.

What makes you say that? Last I checked the numbers were extremely close.

[hippie_hunter]

Hillary currently has over 55% of the vote to Obama's 33%

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hillary currently has over 55% of the vote to Obama's 33%

How much has been counted? As long as he remains in striking distance those delegates will be divied up handily...even if she does carry the state. In fact, that's been the story all night so far.

[Excel]

How much has been counted? As long as he remains in striking distance those delegates will be divied up handily...even if she does carry the state. In fact, that's been the story all night so far.
2%

Race goes on and given that barrack raised 32 million in January compared to Hillarys 13...

[Lightning Strykez!]

2%

Race goes on and given that barrack raised 32 million in January compared to Hillarys 13...

I think what this whole exercise has shown is that the longer Obama has time to run and get exposure with the American public, the better he does nationally. He needs time...and if this mess goes on past tonight and expands to other states i.e. Texas, who knows how things will turn out.

One thing is for certain: If it appears that Hillary is even close to being "front runner" we will see an avalanche of anti-Billary damnation launched against her campaign in the coming weeks. There is a huge sentiment that doesn't want to see her prevail, and if that core group of people feels threatened by tonight's results they will go ALL OUT.

And we won't even touch on the Repubbie's impact on the matter as well.

[hippie_hunter]

Huckabee wins Georgia

[The Senator]

Tom Brokaw is talking about Romney running for President in the future. That would be interesting, since he'll be 69 in 2016-- the same as Reagan was when he ran in 1980.

As if you thought the Reagan analogies were dead...

[Lightning Strykez!]

Why is Mitt Romney acting like he has bragging rights in his speech? As if the party for him will go on?

DUDE, YOU'VE LOST. :down

Huckabee totally undercut whatever lead he hoped to gain. It's time for him to gracefully bow out because even his millions of dollars can't change people's minds apparently.

[hippie_hunter]

Obama wins Idaho and Colorado

[Lightning Strykez!]

Obama wins Idaho and Colorado

So much for the statement that Obama can only win where you have huge black populations, eh? I mean, are there any people living in North Dakota--least of all blacks? LOL

[teseract]

Huckabee wins Georgia
Man, the South really is the red headed stepchild of the rest of the Nation.

[Excel]

hillary wins cali

[Lightning Strykez!]

hillary wins cali

Is that a projection or do you have something more substantial? I'm only seeing 12% reporting in so far, and he is right on her azz.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's a shame that John Edwards didn't endorse one of these two. I wonder what kind of impact that would have had on the race, because he's still raking in decent numbers.

[The Senator]

Actually, he's almost 230,000 votes behind her with 11% reporting, according to the Politico.

[hippie_hunter]

Is that a projection or do you have something more substantial? I'm only seeing 12% reporting in so far, and he is right on her azz.

Clinton currently winning by over 200,000 votes is not Obama right on her azz. It looks like he'll lose California and by a rather decent margin.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Nevermind. I see the updated results now.

[Lightning Strykez!]

However, I believe it is still rather early to call anything just yet. It appears that the candidates are less concerned with "carrying" states and more focused on getting the delegates. So if that gap narrows, he'll still benefit.

[Excel]

His problem in cali is 40% of the vote are absentee so any momentum hes gained in the past month doesnt mean a thing.

Popular vote so far:

Clinton: 5,293,956
Obama:5,145,040

HOLY CRAP this be close!

[hippie_hunter]

Romney won Montana.

[The Senator]

Obama is leading in Missouri :wow:

[PoSeiDon]

Im a young African American of 24 years of age, GO HILLARY!! I voted for her even though Obama won IL, I'm from Chicago.

GO HILLARY!

[hippie_hunter]

Huckabee won Tennessee.

[Excel]

Obama takes Missouri! Whoa!

[Lightning Strykez!]

Romney won Montana.

Well it's about time he won something tonight. Albeit...not a real contested prize.

And yes, Excel, it's defintely going to be a close one in Cali--at least in terms of the popular vote. I am sure there is much nail-biting going on in both camps.

[The Professor]

Obama takes Missouri! Whoa!

Did he? Hilary had it earlier but I guess Obama came through. Good stuff.

[The Senator]

Clinton wins CA.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow, Barry did take Missouri. Now that was a close battle! :eek:

[PoSeiDon]

ITS NOT A TAKE!

Obama is now only leading by one percent so there is no blow out. Hillary needs to maintain her almost 20 point lead in Cali. MI just will be too close to call or he will win by one point, no big issue there. They have to split the delegates

[The Senator]

Well, he won Missouri. He'll at least have one more delegate than Clinton, plus a few Super Delegates, since he has McCaskill and a couple Congressmen supporting him, too.

[Excel]

How can you support Hillary for the nomination when you know it means 4 more years of a repubglicans, probably john mccain!

[The Senator]

How can you support Hillary for the nomination when you know it means 4 more years of a repubglicans, probably john mccain!

Well, considering she's a Democrat, and McCain's a Repubglican [sic]... and I'm a Democrat...

...wait...

...

I can do this...

hold on...

gah!

2 +2 = what again?

Oh that's right :oldrazz:

[hippie_hunter]

Clinton and McCain win California.

[PoSeiDon]

Hillary And Mccain Have Won California!!! Per Cnn!

[hippie_hunter]

John McCain won Missouri

[The Chairman]

Hillary And Mccain Have Won California!!! Per Cnn!

Great, now Obama is completely screwed. California's a big loss for him.

[The Senator]

Great, now Obama is completely screwed. California's a big loss for him.

Not quite. If it does even out, he could still earn quite a few delegates. Plus, he's got big states such as PA, VA, MD, OH and TX to wait for. So he's not done yet. Also, his wins in Missouri, Alabama and some of the smaller states have kept him alive for now.

If he loses VA and MD next week, though, I'd say he's just about finished.

[The Chairman]

Not quite. If it does even out, he could still earn quite a few delegates. Plus, he's got big states such as PA, VA, MD, OH and TX to wait for. So he's not done yet. Also, his wins in Missouri, Alabama and some of the smaller states have kept him alive for now.

If he loses VA and MD next week, though, I'd say he's just about finished.

* Crosses fingers*

I can't vote, so it doesn't matter, but as I've mentioned I've been following the election greatly because it's the one that will probably have the greatest impact on my generation.

Though I really doubt Obama would win Texas, for obvious reasons.

[hippie_hunter]

Obama wins Alaska

[bunk]

Crazy, crazy night.

[The Professor]

Come on, Obama.

Even though things are looking dim now, the next few weeks are supposed to be his favor. Why are Republicans so attracted to McCain, also? He's so unlikable, and doesn't seem "Presidential" whatsoever.

[The Senator]

Apparently, Obama will lead Hillary in the overall delegate count when everything's said and done, per CNN.

[PoSeiDon]

Hillary needs to really get it in tow now that she has won California! She needs to get is going for real. She is leading with delegates but these states coming up after tonight is crucial. And if Florida gets those delegates back in play she has a chance!

[The Senator]

Hillary needs to really get it in tow now that she has won California! She needs to get is going for real. She is leading with delegates but these states coming up after tonight is crucial. And if Florida gets those delegates back in play she has a chance!

Screw it. If Obama comes out on top even by a few delegates, he'll have enough momentum to sweep some of the later states. He's almost got it in the bag now.

Also, the DNC will not reinstate Florida and Michigan's delegates. It'll be a desperate battle which will slaughter Hillary's credibility if she does try to overturn the ruling, which she favored at the beginning of this whole thing.

[hippie_hunter]

Apparently, Obama will lead Hillary in the overall delegate count when everything's said and done, per CNN.

Actually CNN has Hillary Clinton with a 100+ lead in delegates right now. She has more pledged delegates (341 to Obama's 319) and more superdelegates (193 to Obama's 106).