This is the worst console gen of all time.

[GFreeman]

Anyone else find this one really, really boring? Every other hyped game that manages to get released ends up sucking, the consoles all have too many issues, there's no big events or buyouts, and the biggest advances are a graphical enhancement that you can only notice on an HDTV and some tacked on gimmick controls. What the heck happened?

[블라스]

You should be playing CoD4 with us.

[GFreeman]

No I shouldn't. Online multiplayer really isn't my cup of tea. Even Team Fortress hasn't been played in god only knows when. Thats another thing, every other game that gets released has a steaming pile for single player and then everyone goes on and on about the same old story deathmatch crap they've got tacked on, it's crazy. This gen is awful.

[Zenien]

And your 360 broke.

[Havok83]

you should give up gaming all together

[GFreeman]

And your 360 broke.

Yeah, I forgot about that, the craftsmanship for this generation has also gone to ****. I barely ****ing used that thing for more than a damn DVD player and it still couldn't keep it together, it's a disgrace. My mother****ing Sega Genesis still works Microsoft!

you should give up gaming all together
No I shouldn't. I still like some games, just not very many of them anymore. This crappy console gen sucks all the fun out of things.

[Joker]

Your sega genesis still works because it used cartridges, and not discs, therefore had less moving parts to break. It has nothing to do with craftsmanship, and more to do with the design in general being weak in that regard. Although MS really should take a cue from Wii next gen and ditch the disc tray for a simple slide-in system with less parts.

And if you dont like online multiplayer, then I see you being f**ked for at least a generation or 2, as that's where it's heading right now. If the trend continues, single player games may in fact be a thing of the past by the time the next generation of consoles is over. I read an article on a site once saying that online gaming was the next logical evolution of gaming, and it makes sense.

[November Rain]

this one was bad but so was the sega saturn nintendo 64 era in my eyes...

I think they both came out just before the original playstation and my did they both suck...

[Apollo]

i had my fun with xbox 360 by playing Halo3 and Assassins creed non stop, now i am kinda finished with it...probably get mass effect, orange box, then star wars force unleashed later down the road...but that would probably be it for me...I'm waiting for the Xbox 720 now,hehe :word:

[Electro UK]

It just needs to hit its stride. Too many developers are playing it safe with mediocre FPS'. This gen will pick up, but right now, its meh, yeah.

[블라스]

No I shouldn't. Online multiplayer really isn't my cup of tea. Even Team Fortress hasn't been played in god only knows when. Thats another thing, every other game that gets released has a steaming pile for single player and then everyone goes on and on about the same old story deathmatch crap they've got tacked on, it's crazy. This gen is awful.

:( :csad:

[Matt]

I'm not wild about it.

[cookiva]

We have earth defense force 2017 in HD. This is the best gen ever.

[GL1]

Anyone else find this one really, really boring? Every other hyped game that manages to get released ends up sucking, the consoles all have too many issues, there's no big events or buyouts, and the biggest advances are a graphical enhancement that you can only notice on an HDTV and some tacked on gimmick controls. What the heck happened?

So, because marketing hypes up stuff, the glut of good games don't matter.
I guess Halo 3 sucks, right? And Assasain's Creed too? (It's too short: It SUCKS; It's only as good as the last one: IT SUCKS!)

Oh, the first run of 360s failed so "[all] the consolves have too many issues."

Who the heck cares about Events and buyouts? How does that help or hinder me in the least way?

And the Wii controls are tacked on??? Nevermind that they have put video games and video game awareness in the homes of millions of people who could care less about Sony and Microsoft.

I understand a critique, however, blunt, honest or negative about what's wrong with this gen... but you're making big deals out of stuff that's just not. And ignoring the monumental suckitude that's come before.

In short: Who cares if this is the worst gen, there's so many great games coming out, I haven't noticed.

[SupahSaiyangirl]

Meh, in my opinion this console generation is like the '08 presidential elections you never know what's going to happen. new demographics, new ways to play, and amazing games...this gen has stepped it up. who knew that nintendo would go from underdog to top dog the way it did. who knew that sony would have to work its way back to the top after so many years of dominace. and microsoft bringing out some of the best third party games in a long time. the buyouts, the mergers, the senior citizens! I dont know what's up with GFreeman, but this gen is definately not anything we've ever seen before...


Go Wii..........and everyone else........maybe

[WhatsHisFace]

The Wii is the primary reason this generation is sucking so bad.

[GFreeman]

This thread is more proof that this gen is crappy. Look at the things people have to use to defend it. The biggest argument for this gen so far is providing a laundry list of things wrong with it, and then following up with a nice "who cares".

[WhatsHisFace]

There have been some great games this generation. Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, Kameo, Crackdown, Assassin's Creed, The Darkness, Dead Rising, Gears of War...

...that's over ten awesome games within two years.

And before this year is over we'll have Halo Wars, Banjo Kazooie 3, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2, GTA4, maybe Alan Wake and Rare is rumored to have another big release for the year.

[GFreeman]

Bioshock and Mass Effect are great. Assassin's Creed is pretty good. Uncharted is supposed to be great. Mario Galaxy is supposed to be great. That's since 2005. Last time, we had a ton of great games coming out left and right. The original Xbox had more at this point in it's life than all three next gen consoles put together.

[Electro UK]

Bioshock and Mass Effect are great. Assassin's Creed is pretty good. Uncharted is supposed to be great. Mario Galaxy is supposed to be great. That's since 2005. Last time, we had a ton of great games coming out left and right. The original Xbox had more at this point in it's life than all three next gen consoles put together.

Bioshock and Mass Effect are probably the standout games so far this gen. Assassin's Creed I'm not too hot on, but it scores points for being different and having a very ambitious idea. Uncharted is fantastic, but in all honesty, it isn't anything unseen, just the ultimate version of the billions of take cover n' shoot games out there at the moment. Super Mario Galaxy was great, but it was way too easy, and while some people can let that slide, it stopped it hitting anywhere near the greatness of 64 for me.

The leap from last gen to this gen just isn't big enough. Last generation was about the limit reached in terms of gameplay. Now all we can do is improve graphics and A.I. which YES make the game better and there are other ways that improve them, but ultimately, there arn't many games around at the moment that couldn't have been done last gen bar graphics.

[Isildur´s Heir]

This gen might be the worst so far, but that doesn´t mean it´s bad, because it isn´t, and it will be better, wait for it.
Might end surprising us all.
There are several reasons for this to be happening, one is, like Electro said:
The leap from last gen to this gen just isn't big enough. Last generation was about the limit reached in terms of gameplay. Now all we can do is improve graphics and A.I. which YES make the game better and there are other ways that improve them, but ultimately, there arn't many games around at the moment that couldn't have been done last gen bar graphics.
People were expecting too much from this gen, they still are, when the difference is not all that, but one thing you can be sure, next one, next gen will blow our minds.

This is the "playing it safe" generation, meaning, that everyone is making the same genre over and over again, and the FPS is the winner.
Don´t get me wrong, i love a good FPS, but other genres would be nice too here and there.

And if you dont like online multiplayer, then I see you being f**ked for at least a generation or 2, as that's where it's heading right now. If the trend continues, single player games may in fact be a thing of the past by the time the next generation of consoles is over. I read an article on a site once saying that online gaming was the next logical evolution of gaming, and it makes sense.
That i can´t agree, and that is not going to happen.
To say MP is going to win against SP is the same as to say PC gaming is going to die, and it never did.
Many people don´t like MP, everyone plays SP...is that easy.
And people will get tired of playing the same "Capture the Flag" games over and over again.
More even when game developers say that, the next big thing in gaming, is to became movies, to have the same impact.
Now, for that to happen, MP is not part of the equation.
MP will always exist, that´s a given; but Sp will return make a strong comeback, starting this gen (Mass Effect, Bioshock and Assasins Creed are just examples of exactly that).

[Electro UK]

SpiderBale...

You're going to make a lot of friends here.

[cookiva]

dude da 1st XBOX only had 2 good games n they where both HALO.

What the ****?

Halo
Fable
KOTOR
PGR
DOA
Splinter Cell

Plus all the MP games, which had shorter loading times, usually a better purchase.

You need to not look like such a biased fanboy before you post here. You will get chewn up.

[XtromaniaK]

I stopped reading at "da". :o

[XtromaniaK]

Actually, Morrowind was a great RPG, and Fable was a great Action-RPG. It wasn't only good for "gun games" as you call them. Also, typing like more than a dignified ape (Yes, all of us really are... but it's nice to pretend) would probably be admirable.

:huh:

[WhatsHisFace]

Ninja Gaiden was an amazing FPS.

[XtromaniaK]

I especially liked the rocket launcher in its MP.

[cookiva]

Ninja Gaiden was an amazing FPS.


And Morrowind was the greatest Madden of all time.

[GFreeman]

dude da 1st XBOX only had 2 good games n they where both HALO.
You've just caused a total 180 in my political beliefs. The war on drugs must continue!

[XtromaniaK]

It's not drugs that have done this young man's mind in. It's that damn rap music. :csad:

[cookiva]

It's not drugs that have done this young man's mind in. It's that damn rap music. :csad:

And sex. And rap and sex together with drugs.

Or how spiderbale would put it,

o ya it s raap and droogs.


Not as funny as i thought it would be.

[GFreeman]

We're going to have to find out where Tupac's been hiding ever since he faked his death, and then kill him. We can't let this type of **** go unanswered.

[XtromaniaK]

And Biggie, too. We must summon him via mirror by saying "Biggie Smalls" three times and then kill him to prove a point.

[cookiva]

And Biggie, too. We must summon him via mirror by saying "Biggie Smalls" three times and then kill him to prove a point.


And get the xmas critters to rape his body.

[XtromaniaK]

Brilliant!

[GL1]

Wow. I hate all of you. Heh.

[amazingfantasy15]

I think this a pretty great generation. Last generation more lackluster to me, besides GTA what games came out that really reinvented anything? Most games offered pretty much the same thing with prettier graphics and better production values. Microsoft was working on online multiplayer and had it working really well, I think this gen is perfecting though and taking it to the next level with games like Call of Duty and Rainbow Six. Nintendo's doing something different and while the more "hardcore" gamers may not like it, it's definitely taking the stigma that video games are only for kids and nerds living in their parents basement away, while showing us how games will be controlled in the next gen (motion sensor will be standard next gen no doubt). 2 years and change into this gen and I think there are a lot more great games out than there were last gen or even the generation before that. Also we're just now getting to the point where developers really start to understand how to work with the systems and the time when the best games come out makes me pretty excited.

[WhatsHisFace]

Bump because the other discussion threads were closed for no good reason.

[XtromaniaK]

I have a feeling this therad will get closed too.

[GFreeman]

Haha, alright, NOBODY make Morg cry, thats apparently a no-no.

Anyways, I've read all the arguments, and some of you have 1 or 2 points, but I still stand by it, this console gen is terrible. The PS3 and 360 are devoting most of their muscle to making sure everything can be rendered in very high resolutions - despite the fact that most people can't even see those resolutions. So this gen doesn't have the graphical leap of last gen. The two big "types" of games, story-driven narrative experiences and fun-drive multi player experiences are both getting run into the ground by mushrooming development costs. Where before we could get 40 hour epics, we now get a 15 hour run, at most. Where before we were seeing some small innovations online, we're now just seeing the same clones of previously successful multiplayer models, over and over again. How many times can CTF really be played? The overall reliability of hardware has gone done dramatically since last gen IMO. Prices have gone up, while value has gone down thanks to shorter and shorter games as I mentioned. And the most innovative thing to speak of this gen, for most people, is something that isn't even innovative to begin with. We can now twitch left to move instead of moving the stick left to move. All the exact same franchises and genres we've been playing for 20+ years, controlled in a superficially different way are all this gen has to offer for innovation. I hope next gen is better, or the games industry's growth as a medium is going to stall big time.

[WhatsHisFace]

Haha, alright, NOBODY make Morg cry, thats apparently a no-no.

Anyways, I've read all the arguments, and some of you have 1 or 2 points, but I still stand by it, this console gen is terrible. The PS3 and 360 are devoting most of their muscle to making sure everything can be rendered in very high resolutions - despite the fact that most people can't even see those resolutions. So this gen doesn't have the graphical leap of last gen.

There is at least an improvement in draw-distance, on-screen characters and level size that can't be argued, in terms of graphical fidelity.

The two big "types" of games, story-driven narrative experiences and fun-drive multi player experiences are both getting run into the ground by mushrooming development costs. Where before we could get 40 hour epics, we now get a 15 hour run, at most.
When is the last time you played a 40-hour epic? Halo was an eight hour game. Perfect Dark was probably around seven hours. Obviously, Banjo and Mario games are longer, but that's only because you need to collect EVERYTHING in order to advance.

Where before we were seeing some small innovations online, we're now just seeing the same clones of previously successful multiplayer models, over and over again. How many times can CTF really be played? The overall reliability of hardware has gone done dramatically since last gen IMO.
PS2s broke due to bad lasers, PS1s broke too, where a solution was playing it UPSIDE DOWN.

Prices have gone up, while value has gone down thanks to shorter and shorter games as I mentioned. And the most innovative thing to speak of this gen, for most people, is something that isn't even innovative to begin with. We can now twitch left to move instead of moving the stick left to move. All the exact same franchises and genres we've been playing for 20+ years, controlled in a superficially different way are all this gen has to offer for innovation. I hope next gen is better, or the games industry's growth as a medium is going to stall big time.
Value has increased in multiplayer terms, but I agree... some SP games just underdeliver. I felt pretty ripped off by some N64 and Xbox 1 games though. The problem has always existed.

[XtromaniaK]

I agree that 6-7 hour games are the bane of the industry. :o

I don't pay $60 so I can play a game for a few hours and find myself at its abrupt end with a half-realized story.

[GFreeman]

There is at least an improvement in draw-distance, on-screen characters and level size that can't be argued, in terms of graphical fidelity.
Is there? I think GTAIV is supposed to have fewer loads when you go indoors. Thats the only example I can think of off the top of my head for all that next-gen muscle being used for anything other than resolutions that most of us can't see. Most games, when you play them on your TV and not when you're looking at bullshots on the internet, barely look better than Riddick or Ninja Gaiden, and this is on hardware thats supposed to be 5-10 times more powerful than it's predecessor. Big open Halo-style environments couldn't have been done on an N64. Shenmue wouldn't have been the same "wow" experience on the Saturn. I don't see that kind of advance now.


When is the last time you played a 40-hour epic? Halo was an eight hour game. Perfect Dark was probably around seven hours. Obviously, Banjo and Mario games are longer, but that's only because you need to collect EVERYTHING in order to advance.
It's been a while, and thats my point. I played Morrowind all summer and barely scratched the surface. I hadn't even been to Vivec 3 months after I first put the disc in. I saw everything there was to see in Oblivion in less than a month. KoTOR 1 and 2 both took me about 35 hours. Halo was about 10. As a matter of fact, almost everything was about 10 the first time through. Now, you're seeing games coming out that are barely 4 hours long like Gears or COD4, and whats worse, it's quickly becoming the norm.


PS2s broke due to bad lasers, PS1s broke too, where a solution was playing it UPSIDE DOWN.
It's not a question of whether or not they used to break, I know they did. It's a question of how often, and they are breaking WAY more often now than they did.


Value has increased in multiplayer terms, but I agree... some SP games just underdeliver. I felt pretty ripped off by some N64 and Xbox 1 games though. The problem has always existed.
The problem has existed in the sense that there were always some bad apples out there that you didn't want to spend money on. But now, it's different, it's not just a couple of bad games that are wastes of money, it's an industry standard of "we don't have the time and money anymore, so lets just half ass it".

[Devil May Cry]

This generation is indeed the worst. I play my PS2 the most out of any console and I haven't even scratched the surface of the system. The 360 and PS3 seem more like expansion packs of their predecessors. The Wii...the idea of it...just seems so very stupid. I enjoy playing it when friends are around but that's about it.

[WhatsHisFace]

Is there? I think GTAIV is supposed to have fewer loads when you go indoors. Thats the only example I can think of off the top of my head for all that next-gen muscle being used for anything other than resolutions that most of us can't see. Most games, when you play them on your TV and not when you're looking at bullshots on the internet, barely look better than Riddick or Ninja Gaiden, and this is on hardware thats supposed to be 5-10 times more powerful than it's predecessor. Big open Halo-style environments couldn't have been done on an N64. Shenmue wouldn't have been the same "wow" experience on the Saturn. I don't see that kind of advance now.
Kameo's battlefields (showing thousands of troops onscreen versus Kindom Under Fire's mere hundred), Oblivion's world-rendering (you can go to the northmost end of the map, and on a clear day, see the southern shore, versus Morrowinds ten-foot visibility into fog) Crackdown's building detail allowing for intricate building climbing/navigation, and Assassin's Creed's crowd rendering and mechanics all add to the games in a way that couldn't have succeeded on last-gen consoles.


It's been a while, and thats my point. I played Morrowind all summer and barely scratched the surface. I hadn't even been to Vivec 3 months after I first put the disc in. I saw everything there was to see in Oblivion in less than a month. KoTOR 1 and 2 both took me about 35 hours. Halo was about 10. As a matter of fact, almost everything was about 10 the first time through. Now, you're seeing games coming out that are barely 4 hours long like Gears or COD4, and whats worse, it's quickly becoming the norm.
Mass Effect and Bioshock are both 20+ hour games. The Darkness was at least ten. Assassin's Creed varies dramatically on how much you do, but outside of the cities, there is a HUGE Kingdom to explore... Overlord already seems longer than Fable and I don't even have all the mechanics unlocked yet, etc...

I think your problem is that you can't even play these games and you're basing this generation entirely on your dislike of Gears of War.



It's not a question of whether or not they used to break, I know they did. It's a question of how often, and they are breaking WAY more often now than they did.
The 360 had a design flaw that has now been resolved. Warranties are still in place, naturally.


The problem has existed in the sense that there were always some bad apples out there that you didn't want to spend money on. But now, it's different, it's not just a couple of bad games that are wastes of money, it's an industry standard of "we don't have the time and money anymore, so lets just half ass it".
Again, there are plenty of games that aren't half-assed, and there are a lot of upcoming games that look to be outstanding efforts. I really doubt Ninja Gaiden 2 is going to be a four hour game, and that Silicon Knights would go through all this trouble just to provide ten hours of Too Human. Alan Wake is going to be huge, Banjo Kazooie is a platformer and therefore HAS to be long. Halo Wars could potentially be a short RTS but it's Ensemble so I doubt it, and Fable 2 isn't going to be short with an entirely realized world. It's looking good.

[LexCorp]

Anyone else find this one really, really boring? Every other hyped game that manages to get released ends up sucking, the consoles all have too many issues, there's no big events or buyouts, and the biggest advances are a graphical enhancement that you can only notice on an HDTV and some tacked on gimmick controls. What the heck happened?

It is what you make it but yes I do feel that some games I want have yet to been released and it feels slower than any previous generation.

[amazingfantasy15]

Haha, alright, NOBODY make Morg cry, thats apparently a no-no.

Anyways, I've read all the arguments, and some of you have 1 or 2 points, but I still stand by it, this console gen is terrible. The PS3 and 360 are devoting most of their muscle to making sure everything can be rendered in very high resolutions - despite the fact that most people can't even see those resolutions. So this gen doesn't have the graphical leap of last gen.

HD TV's are becoming the standard though, 360 and PS3 are just getting a jump on things because they feel their audiences are probably the early adaptors of this new technology, which I think is a pretty sound assumption. Every console generation is devoted to making their games look better HD is the next step in that process, I can't understand how this is a negative for the console generation. Would you rather low resolution/PS2/X-Box graphics?

The two big "types" of games, story-driven narrative experiences and fun-drive multi player experiences are both getting run into the ground by mushrooming development costs. Where before we could get 40 hour epics, we now get a 15 hour run, at most.

Story driven epics are still incredibly long. Bioshock is 20 hours, all said and done, I'll probably have spent 20 hours playing Assassin's Creed, Obilivion is supposed to have 200 hours worth of gameplay Metroid and Zelda are both very long games. As for FPS' the SP modes have always been relatively short with a few exceptions.

Where before we were seeing some small innovations online, we're now just seeing the same clones of previously successful multiplayer models, over and over again. How many times can CTF really be played?

Well, with downloadable content adding levels, weapons, achievements, challenges, they're doing the best they can. With CoD4, one of the main reasons I got so addicted was because of the challenges, and leveling up, plus it's fun because you're playing against people with different styles and methods of playing, not AI that basically does the same thing every time.

The overall reliability of hardware has gone done dramatically since last gen IMO. Prices have gone up, while value has gone down thanks to shorter and shorter games as I mentioned.

Won't deny the hardware quality, but Microsoft did the best they could and are really serving the consumer well. Sure my X-Box might get the red lights, but I know I'll have a new one in 2 weeks. As for shorter games, that's relative, there's always short games, do a little research and you can avoid them and with the net that research is more readily available than ever.

And the most innovative thing to speak of this gen, for most people, is something that isn't even innovative to begin with. We can now twitch left to move instead of moving the stick left to move. All the exact same franchises and genres we've been playing for 20+ years, controlled in a superficially different way are all this gen has to offer for innovation. I hope next gen is better, or the games industry's growth as a medium is going to stall big time.

Was rumble really innovative when it came out? I didn't think so, but look at the backlash Sony got when they decided not to include in PS3 controllers. Motion sensor is here to stay, it will be the standard, Wii is showing the growing pains, some games the motion sensor feels tacked on, some it feels great like Metroid, there's a game that definitely benefitted from it, also Rayman Raving Rabbids, only console it was worth playing on was the Wii. Resident Evil 4 is another great example, a great game made even better with Wii control scheme.

[GFreeman]

Time for a book.

Kameo's battlefields (showing thousands of troops onscreen versus Kindom Under Fire's mere hundred), Oblivion's world-rendering (you can go to the northmost end of the map, and on a clear day, see the southern shore, versus Morrowinds ten-foot visibility into fog) Crackdown's building detail allowing for intricate building climbing/navigation, and Assassin's Creed's crowd rendering and mechanics all add to the games in a way that couldn't have succeeded on last-gen consoles.
Have you played Kameo? Until you get right up on them, those "thousands of troops" are moving in perfect sync, in groups of 25. It's not that impressive. And Oblivion's draw distance, in technical terms, and in gameplay terms, is no better than Morrowinds. What you're actually seeing when you see that "southern shore" is just a special skybox, the only way you're actually seeing improved draw distance is if you have the PC version and you download the necessary mods. Oblivion is still only rendering a few cells around you at a time. Crackdown didn't do anything that GTA wasn't doing years before, the only difference is that you can hulk jump now, so that didn't add anything. And Assassins' Creed's crowd stuff couldn't have been done...why? It's not terribly advanced. They mostly just wander around, bumping into each other. It couldn't have been done at the same resolutions, thats about it.



Mass Effect and Bioshock are both 20+ hour games. The Darkness was at least ten. Assassin's Creed varies dramatically on how much you do, but outside of the cities, there is a HUGE Kingdom to explore... Overlord already seems longer than Fable and I don't even have all the mechanics unlocked yet, etc...


I think your problem is that you can't even play these games and you're basing this generation entirely on your dislike of Gears of War.
I've played Mass Effect start to finish, it's about 15. Bioshock is just under 10, how you managed to squeeze 20+ out of that is beyond me, unless you just got really mesmerized by the water or something. Most games are short, plain and simple. Coming up with stuff like "well, if you spend several hours aimlessly wandering around doing pointless bull**** like seeing if you can reach the other end of town without touching the streets, then it's a 100 hour game!" doesn't cut it. And no, I can play these games, I'm not basing anything entirely on Gears of War, even though it's a prime example of why this gen is terrible.



The 360 had a design flaw that has now been resolved. Warranties are still in place, naturally.
I wish people would stop saying thats it's been resolved, because it hasn't. The new models are still getting RROD'd. And "warranties are still in place" has **** all to do with "these systems are still breaking, even when barely used".


Again, there are plenty of games that aren't half-assed, and there are a lot of upcoming games that look to be outstanding efforts. I really doubt Ninja Gaiden 2 is going to be a four hour game, and that Silicon Knights would go through all this trouble just to provide ten hours of Too Human. Alan Wake is going to be huge, Banjo Kazooie is a platformer and therefore HAS to be long. Halo Wars could potentially be a short RTS but it's Ensemble so I doubt it, and Fable 2 isn't going to be short with an entirely realized world. It's looking good.
Ninja Gaiden 2 is going to be short. Too Human will probably fall on it's face. Alan Wake, we don't know anything about that yet, saying that it won't be yet another 5 hour disappointment just because is kinda lame. Platformers have to be long...since when? Fable 2 is the same story as Fable 1, it'll be another mostly-linear action-RPG that takes about 10-12 hours at the most. It's not looking good. And even assuming that literally every game you mentioned manages to not be a short piece of ****, you've got what, 4, 5 games now? It doesn't change anything for the generation in general.


HD TV's are becoming the standard though, 360 and PS3 are just getting a jump on things because they feel their audiences are probably the early adaptors of this new technology, which I think is a pretty sound assumption. Every console generation is devoted to making their games look better HD is the next step in that process, I can't understand how this is a negative for the console generation. Would you rather low resolution/PS2/X-Box graphics?
Yes, because low resolution PS2/Xbox graphics are the only alternative. Really.

No, I would prefer that instead of system resources being wasted on something that mostly everyone can not benefit from, that they be used for something that they CAN benefit from. Forcing developers to waste resources on rendering in High-def because "it's teh future, zomg!1!" is insane. It's the future? Great. Force them into high-def sometime "in the future", not now, when most people aren't using it.



Story driven epics are still incredibly long. Bioshock is 20 hours, all said and done, I'll probably have spent 20 hours playing Assassin's Creed, Obilivion is supposed to have 200 hours worth of gameplay Metroid and Zelda are both very long games. As for FPS' the SP modes have always been relatively short with a few exceptions.
I wish people would stop pulling game lengths out of their ass. Bioshock is not 20 hours, at all, under any circumstances. You would have to spend a cumulative total of 10 hours just sitting around, doing literally nothing for that game to be 20 hours long. Same with Assassin's Creed. You spent 20 hours playing it? Great. It's a 10 hour game. If you spent a bunch of extra time replaying it, wandering around, doing nothing, screwing around, that doesn't really add to the games time. Same with Oblivion. It's a 200 hour game...if you walk everywhere, and spend enormous amounts of time doing absolutely nothing, throwing plates at people or something. Because if you just spend time playing through the content, even with the DLC, it's about 40-50 hours, compared to Morrowind which really was a 200 hour game on content alone.



Won't deny the hardware quality, but Microsoft did the best they could....
You can't be serious. No, they absolutely did not :dry:



Was rumble really innovative when it came out? I didn't think so, but look at the backlash Sony got when they decided not to include in PS3 controllers. Motion sensor is here to stay, it will be the standard, Wii is showing the growing pains, some games the motion sensor feels tacked on, some it feels great like Metroid, there's a game that definitely benefitted from it, also Rayman Raving Rabbids, only console it was worth playing on was the Wii. Resident Evil 4 is another great example, a great game made even better with Wii control scheme.
Annnnnnnd you just totally missed the point. No, rumble wasn't innovative. Neither is the Wiimote. It's like a guy driving with two hands on the steering wheel, and one day, he suddenly decides to reposition his hands 1 inch below their previous position. Did it fundamentally change anything? No, it's just a superficial alteration. The Wii is so innovative that it's featuring the same tired franchises and genres from 20 years ago, it's biggest launch game was a game that worked perfectly well on the Gamecube, and it's most looked forward too title is a roster change of another game that worked perfectly well on the Gamecube. It's just as "innovative" as rumble.

[XtromaniaK]

Fable 2 is the same story as Fable 1, it'll be another mostly-linear action-RPG that takes about 10-12 hours at the most. It's not looking good.

What the hell are you basing this off of? Assuming that you've actually ever even read the developer notes, or watched the video diaries, you'd know that they've even stated that they're trying to make it less linear/one-dimensional.

I know you have an irrational hatred of the first one, but please keep the bull**** to yourself when it's obvious you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. The story hasn't even been revealed yet, but you claim it's going to be the exact same as Fable 1. I agree with some of the points you've made, but it becomes ridiculous when you criticize a game that you probably haven't even made the effort to follow.

:o

[GFreeman]

What the hell are you basing this off of? Assuming that you've actually ever even read the developer notes, or watched the video diaries, you'd know that they've even stated that they're trying to make it less linear/one-dimensional.

I know you have an irrational hatred of the first one, but please keep the bull**** to yourself when it's obvious you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. The story hasn't even been revealed yet, but you claim it's going to be the exact same as Fable 1. I agree with some of the points you've made, but it becomes ridiculous when you criticize a game that you probably haven't even made the effort to follow.

:o

Yes, I have. I even posted the first one way back when in that Fable 2 hype thread I made. I defended Fable 2 to a bunch of people, I've followed it, the whole 9-yards. It's the same story as Fable 1, and by that I don't mean the narrative, I mean it's the same situation. They're selling Fable 2 the same way they did with Fable 1. I'd love to be proven wrong, I don't want another mediocre game, but there's no indication that they're going to change things up. This is a sequel to a well reviewed, multi-million seller, I really doubt they're going to make tons of sweeping changes.

[XtromaniaK]

Yes, I have. I even posted the first one way back when in that Fable 2 hype thread I made. I defended Fable 2 to a bunch of people, I've followed it, the whole 9-yards. It's the same story as Fable 1, and by that I don't mean the narrative, I mean it's the same situation. They're selling Fable 2 the same way they did with Fable 1. I'd love to be proven wrong, I don't want another mediocre game, but there's no indication that they're going to change things up. This is a sequel to a well reviewed, multi-million seller, I really doubt they're going to make tons of sweeping changes.

I haven't seen any indication that it is the exact same situation. Yes, more than likely some of the points of the story will be similar considering it is a sequel, and that's the usual route that sequels follow. Somehow, though, I doubt that everything will be the same. Just because it is a similar situation doesn't mean that it'll follow the same tune.

And actually, Fable 1 was sold as a game with non-stop innovation that will have everything and a bag of chips. Well, at least, that is what Molyneux said when it was in development. It turned out to be different, but it was still a good game. However, I believe they've at least partially changed their act considering Molyneux has stopped blabbing his mouth about features not even past the idea stage yet this time.

I don't expect sweeping changes at every corner. There's very few sequels that actually make that sort of transition. But, I do expect that they're going to at least make some changes where they are needed. The combat system is being overhauled, so I wouldn't be surprised that some other part of the game will be changed to fit Fable 2.

[amazingfantasy15]

gfreeman, instead of just stating the same points over and over, what is your favortie gen and why? What made it so great?

[GFreeman]

gfreeman, instead of just stating the same points over and over, what is your favortie gen and why? What made it so great?
Probably last gen. Every console had a large number of absolutely fantastic games. Hyped "big" games were fun and worth the money 9 times out of 10. Nobody was focusing on ridiculous controller gimmicks instead of just trying to make a fun game. Single-player experiences were not yet being side-tracked by a focus on multi-player. New franchises that were actually worth a damn were coming around fairly often. Aside from the Xbox, developers still realized that there were more genres than FPS games. It was just a really gen. And this one is almost the polar opposite.


Yes, more than likely some of the points of the story will be similar considering it is a sequel, and that's the usual route that sequels follow.
Again, not talking about the narrative here. Replace "same story as" with "same situation as". Same thing.

[Matt]

I hated Fable. With what we were promised...it well...sucked. But goddamn, Molyneux knows how to sell a game because I am eager as hell for Fable 2 :csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked Fable. I didn't keep up with any Hype beforehand, so I don't know what was promised. It was just a fun, quick action RPG to me.

[SupahSaiyangirl]

I think Gfreeman and co. are having one of their "moments". if anything last gen was dull and boring, you were lucky if any game worth the time of day came out, and those types of game were infrequent and far in-between. I can say there were tons of games that were worth shelling out $30 and up for. But this gen i didnt mind buying re4 and super mario galaxy for $85 bucks because they were totally worth every penny. On my DS i didnt mind buying sm64 ds, sonic rush, and eba because they were worth buying. What im trying to say is that this is the first gen where i dont my putting down my cash, because the games are amazing. I had a game cube, but i never played it as much as i do with my Wii...and as soon as i get some more batteries i'll finish playing mario. My ds has had more play time than my good 'ol game boy color ever did. So i cant see why people are complaining if anything we've got it good. Everyone's got something to play, whether you are more of a wiisports fan or a halo 3 fanatic there is a game out there for you.

Yay for the DS sold more that the ps2 did in japan, completely dominated europe and australia, and Wiifit and brawl are taking japan by storm. Go nintendo keep up the good work.:)

[The Apocalypse]

Doesn't matter if any of these things aren't satisfying you. The fact is the gaming industry hasn't been booming like this in a long long time.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, having not actually entered this gen just yet, there are a lot of games piling up that I want to play.

[GFreeman]

Doesn't matter if any of these things aren't satisfying you. The fact is the gaming industry hasn't been booming like this in a long long time.

It's actually starting to slow down (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6224753.html) :o

[XtromaniaK]

Probably last gen. Every console had a large number of absolutely fantastic games. Hyped "big" games were fun and worth the money 9 times out of 10. Nobody was focusing on ridiculous controller gimmicks instead of just trying to make a fun game. Single-player experiences were not yet being side-tracked by a focus on multi-player. New franchises that were actually worth a damn were coming around fairly often. Aside from the Xbox, developers still realized that there were more genres than FPS games. It was just a really gen. And this one is almost the polar opposite.



Again, not talking about the narrative here. Replace "same story as" with "same situation as". Same thing.

I get what you mean now, but still. I doubt that it's going to be the "same situation" as Fable. For me, that could be good. For you, I guess not. I loved the original Fable and thought it was a solid game. Molyneux has also shut his mouth this time around, so expectations aren't looking to be as high as before.

All in all, I don't see how it is the exact same situation.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's actually starting to slow down (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6224753.html) :o
Isn't that mostly because sales on the consoles themselves are basically over? Just about everyone who wants a PS3, 360, or Wii now has one.

[The Bruce]

Wait for the Japanese devs to get into gear....

[WhatsHisFace]

Why are mods closing every thread?

[XtromaniaK]

Because they pretty much hate us all.

[Matt]

Why are mods closing every thread?

Well, you guys lost the privledge of having a lounge thread for awhile because of your behavior in the last one. Thank Freeman for that. As for the rest, they just aren't needed. They are spam.

[WhatsHisFace]

Well, you guys lost the privledge of having a lounge thread for awhile because of your behavior in the last one. Thank Freeman for that. As for the rest, they just aren't needed. They are spam.

Re-open the Gears of War thread when Gears of War 2 is shown towards the end of this month.

[The Professor]

I don't know if I could really pick a "worst" gen because each of them truly have something different.

The evolution of stories, online console gaming, graphics...I think it's easier to judge which gen evolved the most/best rather than which one was the "worst."

And to address some other opinions in this thread, Fable was fantastic. Short, but fantastic. Plus it had pretty good replay value. You couldn't do "everything" you were promised, but it still delivered.

[hippie_hunter]

Isn't that mostly because sales on the consoles themselves are basically over? Just about everyone who wants a PS3, 360, or Wii now has one.

No, because the Wii hasn't met up demand, recent sales trends show that people have been waiting for the Playstation 3 to drop in price and actually get some games, and the Xbox 360 is still doing rather well in sales too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Really? The PS3 just got a price drop, though.

Oh well, I can testify to that last one. I'm planning on getting a 360 Elite in another month or so, as soon as I save up some more money after my last big purchase.

[Matt]

Re-open the Gears of War thread when Gears of War 2 is shown towards the end of this month.

Why not just make a GOW2 thread? :huh:

[hippie_hunter]

Really? The PS3 just got a price drop, though.
Yeah, it's still impossible to find a Wii, which is blatantly telling us that Nintendo still hasn't met demand yet.

And the Playstation 3's sales have been much, much better now because of two price drops, and another one is rumored to be on the way. The system also has a better games library and is has a really hyped line-up for 2008.

Oh well, I can testify to that last one. I'm planning on getting a 360 Elite in another month or so, as soon as I save up some more money after my last big purchase.
Get a Wii dammit :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll probably get a Wii when Brawl comes out, but a Wii is like an afterthought. It's only, what, $200 now? That barely even requires any conscious planning to buy from anyone with a full-time job.

[hippie_hunter]

$250 and it should be gotten as soon as possible and prioritized over the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

[XtromaniaK]

Actually, I'd say the 360 would be a priority. It has better, and more, third party games/support. The Wii might be cheaper/have an interesting control scheme, but it's mainly just Mario/Zelda games. Which might be nice for the average Nintendo fan, but the library just isn't expansive enough if you've got the money to throw around.

[hippie_hunter]

Actually, I'd say the 360 would be a priority. It has better, and more, third party games/support. The Wii might be cheaper/have an interesting control scheme, but it's mainly just Mario/Zelda games. Which might be nice for the average Nintendo fan, but the library just isn't expansive enough if you've got the money to throw around.

Mario/Zelda/Star Fox/Metroid/Resident Evil >>> Everything Else (except Metal Gear)

That's blatantly obvious :o

[TheCorpulent1]

$250 and it should be gotten as soon as possible and prioritized over the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.
Meh, I like the 360's library of games a lot more than either the PS3 or Wii's right now.

[XtromaniaK]

Mario/Zelda/Star Fox/Metroid/Resident Evil >>> Everything Else (except Metal Gear)

That's blatantly obvious :o

Resident Evil/Mass Effect/Bioshock/Fable/etc >>> Mario/Zelda/Metroid

Though, I love Zelda games.

[hippie_hunter]

Resident Evil/Mass Effect/Bioshock/Fable/etc >>> Mario/Zelda/Metroid

Though, I love Zelda games.

Resident Evil Wii >>> Regular Resident Evil

Zelda >>> Fable

Metroid >>> Bioshock

Mario >>> Mass Effect

Nintendo >>> Everything Else

[hippie_hunter]

Meh, I like the 360's library of games a lot more than either the PS3 or Wii's right now.

Dude....Resident Evil 4 and the Umbrella Chronicles, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Wii Sports :cmad:!!!

[XtromaniaK]

Resident Evil Wii >>> Regular Resident Evil

Zelda >>> Fable

Metroid >>> Bioshock

Mario >>> Mass Effect

Nintendo >>> Everything Else

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I agree with the Zelda thing, to an extent... Though, I'd rather have Fable 2 than the new Zelda at this point.

ME crushes Mario in story, atmosphere, etc... SMG is fun, but ME is just better on a quality level. Bioshock destroys Metroid in every way possible. Controls, fun factor, story, atmosphere, protagonist, you name it. And I read the GI review of RE 4 for the Wii, and they said the controls were wonky. They said it was better than the tank-like controls of the predecessors, but they had plenty of room to get better. Take that as you will.

A million Mario/Zelda games can't compare to IPs like ME, Bioshock, Fallout, Deus Ex, etc.

[Havok83]

Actually, I'd say the 360 would be a priority. It has better, and more, third party games/support. The Wii might be cheaper/have an interesting control scheme, but it's mainly just Mario/Zelda games. Which might be nice for the average Nintendo fan, but the library just isn't expansive enough if you've got the money to throw around.
IA, for me, I dont really find anything all that appealing for teh Wii. I think Super Mario Galaxy is the only game Id consider getting if I had one and teh future lineup doesnt look all that promising for me. The Wii caters to a different gamer than the 360/PS3 and that gamer isnt me

[GFreeman]

Well, you guys lost the privledge of having a lounge thread for awhile because of your behavior in the last one. Thank Freeman for that. As for the rest, they just aren't needed. They are spam.
What behavior was that exactly? Saying that Morg hates vaginas? Did it bother him that much? Jesus. You guys are a trip.

[hippie_hunter]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I agree with the Zelda thing, to an extent... Though, I'd rather have Fable 2 than the new Zelda at this point.
Dude...Zelda has always been and always be superior to Fable. How the hell can you look more forward to Fable 2, to the next entry in the Legend of Zelda franchise.

ME crushes Mario in story, atmosphere, etc... SMG is fun, but ME is just better on a quality level.
Mario is not meant to be about story, it's supposed to be simple. A plumber in the Mushroom Kingdom goes off to save the princess for the millionth time to get some poon. The end. The only reason why I put those two together is because they were the only games left :csad:.

But the Mario franchise with games like Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, and Paper Mario, it just pwns Mass Effect.

Bioshock destroys Metroid in every way possible. Controls, fun factor, story, atmosphere, protagonist, you name it.
Bioshock may be the superior FP game to Metroid, but Metroid is so much more than just an FP game. It can be a platformer too, and who else knows what else you can do with it. Do you really think they'll take Bioshock into other genres like they did with Metroid? I think not.

Also Samus is just plain kick ass.

And I read the GI review of RE 4 for the Wii, and they said the controls were wonky. They said it was better than the tank-like controls of the predecessors, but they had plenty of room to get better. Take that as you will.
Funny, I found the controls to be very smooth and far superior to the Gamecube and Playstation 2 controls. And pretty much every other reviewer (Famitsu, IGN, Gamespot, NGamer) stated that the controls were great. They all pretty much agree that the Wii version of Resident Evil 4.

A million Mario/Zelda games can't compare to IPs like ME, Bioshock, Fallout, Deus Ex, etc.
Hellz no :cmad:

[XtromaniaK]

Dude...Zelda has always been and always be superior to Fable. How the hell can you look more forward to Fable 2, to the next entry in the Legend of Zelda franchise.

Fable is the less linear of the two. More customization, etc. I realize that customization in Zelda would be ridiculous, but I just love Fable's light-hearted and vibrant atmosphere.



Mario is not meant to be about story, it's supposed to be simple. A plumber in the Mushroom Kingdom goes off to save the princess for the millionth time to get some poon. The end. The only reason why I put those two together is because they were the only games left :csad:.


That was your first mistake. Or possibly your second. Who's counting?

But the Mario franchise with games like Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, and Paper Mario, it just pwns Mass Effect.

Mass Effect > any single Mario game. Probably even two of them. On a game-to-game basis, ME "pwns" Mario in the quality of the singular games. With that said, I'll probably find myself getting much more value out of the ME franchise than the Mario franchise. An epic storyline takes a front seat to mindless entertainment.


Bioshock may be the superior FP game to Metroid, but Metroid is so much more than just an FP game. It can be a platformer too, and who else knows what else you can do with it. Do you really think they'll take Bioshock into other genres like they did with Metroid? I think not.

Well, Bioshock itself was a FPS mixed with elements of a RPG. So, yes, it did mix it into other genres besides just the FPS side of the spectrum. Regardless, I'd always put games like Bioshock ahead of sequels.

Also Samus is just plain kick ass.

Until she gets a wrench to the face.

Funny, I found the controls to be very smooth and far superior to the Gamecube and Playstation 2 controls. And pretty much every other reviewer (Famitsu, IGN, Gamespot, NGamer) stated that the controls were great. They all pretty much agree that the Wii version of Resident Evil 4.

GI's opinion tends to reflect my own, that's why I go with their reviews. They said the controls were better, as aforementioned, but having to using the nunchuck to look could become unwieldy in intense firefights. They also said that the difficulty seemed slightly lessened because of this drawback.


Hellz no :cmad:

Hellz yeah. :o

[WhatsHisFace]

What behavior was that exactly? Saying that Morg hates vaginas? Did it bother him that much? Jesus. You guys are a trip.

i don't know what the d3eal is with mods. t's like when they are made into a mod somethoine is like "I proimise you will neber have your eeelings huirt and if they are uou have right to act like a baby. god waht a bunch of sensitive people overly. they get modship for sucking up not for being socially brilliant

[Sugarculted]

Worst console gen of all time? Eh, not in my opinion. I'm playing more games than I ever did nowadays. One day, I just might run off into the sunset with my 360 and Wii.
...but Nintendo aren't doing themselves any favours. I'm getting tired and impatient, Ninty. Give me Brawl and Kart now :cmad:

[Matt]

i don't know what the d3eal is with mods. t's like when they are made into a mod somethoine is like "I proimise you will neber have your eeelings huirt and if they are uou have right to act like a baby. god waht a bunch of sensitive people overly. they get modship for sucking up not for being socially brilliant

You'd be disciplined if you said that about any poster. Watch it WHF, or the games forum will go bye bye.

[Mentok]

You'd be disciplined if you said that about any poster. Watch it WHF, or the games forum will go bye bye.



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[Matt]

You think its a bluff?

[TheCorpulent1]

Dude....Resident Evil 4 and the Umbrella Chronicles, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Wii Sports :cmad:!!!
Um... I believe we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Sugarculted]

You'd be disciplined if you said that about any poster. Watch it WHF, or the games forum will go bye bye.

That's a wee bit extreme, right?

[Matt]

That's a wee bit extreme, right?

THats sort of the point. Our staff is not going to be threatened about how we don't want to "Start things" with the game forum or how banned members will come back in 15 seconds. We've reached breaking point. One more person out of line and this entire forum goes bye bye. It sucks that one person will ruin it for everyone, but...thats the way it goes.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, that sounds really extreme.

Oh well, if the game forum does go away, does that mean we can finally get a Thor forum? I mean, the guy's movie's been in production for months now...

[Sugarculted]

THats sort of the point. Our staff is not going to be threatened about how we don't want to "Start things" with the game forum or how banned members will come back in 15 seconds. We've reached breaking point. One more person out of line and this entire forum goes bye bye. It sucks that one person will ruin it for everyone, but...thats the way it goes.

Eh. But due to whatever one person, a lot of other members who enjoy posting there, will lose it due to just one person? Just ban the ones considered annoying, and leave the games forums alone. Getting rid of the games forum will see a big lack of posting from usual Hypers, and I for one would pretty much stop posting here if it's decided that some primary school technique is used to sort out a problem which could be easily rectified differently.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, whatever happened to IP bans? That keeps individuals from coming back but good instead of taking away a forum used by far more than just a few bad apples.

[WhatsHisFace]

THats sort of the point. Our staff is not going to be threatened about how we don't want to "Start things" with the game forum or how banned members will come back in 15 seconds. We've reached breaking point. One more person out of line and this entire forum goes bye bye. It sucks that one person will ruin it for everyone, but...thats the way it goes.
I gave you advice. I made no threat.

[Matt]

Eh. But due to whatever one person, a lot of other members who enjoy posting there, will lose it due to just one person? Just ban the ones considered annoying, and leave the games forums alone. Getting rid of the games forum will see a big lack of posting from usual Hypers, and I for one would pretty much stop posting here if it's decided that some primary school technique is used to sort out a problem which could be easily rectified differently.

Yeah, whatever happened to IP bans? That keeps individuals from coming back but good instead of taking away a forum used by far more than just a few bad apples.

We can't ban certain problem members such as Freeman due to his IP cloak. We can ban the user name but not the IP address and that allows them to just keep coming back. That is why we have been forced into this situation.

[Matt]

I gave you advice. I made no threat.

Perhaps, but thats how it was seen. Freeman's comments as well. We've let you guys regulate yourselves...however apparently hoisting problem users like Freeman onto your shoulders is higher up on your self regulation agenda than maintaining order...and that is why we have been forced to this solution.

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh. Freeman's never seemed like such a huge problem poster to me, although I haven't been frequenting the games forum long. A bit obnoxious, but who on any of the Hype's forums isn't? It's the nature of message board posting to be a little more obnoxious than you normally would be.

[Matt]

Huh. Freeman's never seemed like such a huge problem poster to me, although I haven't been frequenting the games forum long. A bit obnoxious, but who on any of the Hype's forums isn't? It's the nature of message board posting to be a little more obnoxious than you normally would be.

Freeman has been banned under other user names on several occassions for trolling and attempts to invoke flame wars. He recently did. When threatened with discipline he comments about how he would be gone for "15 seconds." That is what led to this "Nuclear option" being developed.

[WhatsHisFace]

Perhaps, but thats how it was seen. Freeman's comments as well. We've let you guys regulate yourselves...however apparently hoisting problem users like Freeman onto your shoulders is higher up on your self regulation agenda than maintaining order...and that is why we have been forced to this solution.
Freeman isn't a problem user. He, like anyone else, just comes here to have a casual conversation about games. And as far as the nature of discussion goes (topics are fluid and change) there has been order.

As for what you saw as a threat... we all know this board has a bad reputation. It's been put on us unfairly, because in my opinion, this is the best forum on this site. Nevertheless, mods have had a problem with this section for a while. I'll admit that back in 2002 this board might as well have been called "Flame Wars" but we've come a long way in the past six years. Mods never let that image leave them, and still just see this place as a cancer to the forum (even though we never leave the Games Forum to "spam" Community for instance) despite the fact that we all get along.

[TheCorpulent1]

The game forum has a bad reputation? I thought that was the Spider-Man forums.

[Matt]

Freeman isn't a problem user. He, like anyone else, just comes here to have a casual conversation about games. And as far as the nature of discussion goes (topics are fluid and change) there has been order.

As for what you saw as a threat... we all know this board has a bad reputation. It's been put on us unfairly, because in my opinion, this is the best forum on this site. Nevertheless, mods have had a problem with this section for a while. I'll admit that back in 2002 this board might as well have been called "Flame Wars" but we've come a long way in the past six years. Mods never let that image leave them, and still just see this place as a cancer to the forum (even though we never leave the Games Forum to "spam" Community for instance) despite the fact that we all get along.

Its not up for debate anymore. We have been very leinent. It didn't work. The clique, above the rules, mentality on the game forums ends or the game forum ends all together. Plain and simple. We're not going to have posters talk about anyone's distaste for vagina (moderator or otherwise). We are not going to have posters make threats like "I'll be back in 15 minutes if you ban me" when starting threads whose only purpose is to invoke a flame war. And don't give me that "You just don't get it" B.S. as it doesn't matter anymore. Debate time is over. One step out of line and you guys lose your forum.

[WhatsHisFace]

Freeman has been banned under other user names on several occassions for trolling and attempts to invoke flame wars. He recently did. When threatened with discipline he comments about how he would be gone for "15 seconds." That is what led to this "Nuclear option" being developed.

That "Flame War" thread was nothing more than a parody of recent www.n4g.com articles and every post in that thread was made very sarcastically.

[TheCorpulent1]

Tone-less internet speak fails again. :(

[Swordmaster]

Its not up for debate anymore. We have been very leinent. It didn't work. The clique, above the rules, mentality on the game forums ends or the game forum ends all together. Plain and simple. We're not going to have posters talk about anyone's distaste for vagina (moderator or otherwise). We are not going to have posters make threats like "I'll be back in 15 minutes if you ban me" when starting threads whose only purpose is to invoke a flame war. And don't give me that "You just don't get it" B.S. as it doesn't matter anymore. Debate time is over. One step out of line and you guys lose your forum.
In an extreme, but possible scenario, what if someone who hated the games forums would troll around the forums, baiting people with anti-Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo/whatever talk. Would the games section be shut down then?

[Matt]

That "Flame War" thread was nothing more than a parody of recent www.n4g.com articles and every post in that thread was made very sarcastically.

Context is everything. People took it seriously. There was no attempt to show that it was a joke and if Freeman simply explained that instead of threatening how he is ban proof, we wouldn't be in that situation. BUt again, it doesn't matter. One more calling of a name, one more slight against another poster, one more hostile thread and this forum is gone. Don't care about context. Don't care if we "Don't get gaming culture." Go back to Gamers Reject and make your own rules. If you want to remain on the Hype and have a game forum, you will follow ours.

[Matt]

In an extreme, but possible scenario, what if someone who hated the games forums would troll around the forums, baiting people with anti-Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo/whatever talk. Would the games section be shut down then?

Of course not. The problem users who are putting the Games Forum at risk know who they are. If they change their behavior, there will be absolutely no problem.

[WhatsHisFace]

Its not up for debate anymore. We have been very leinent. It didn't work. The clique, above the rules, mentality on the game forums ends or the game forum ends all together. Plain and simple. We're not going to have posters talk about anyone's distaste for vagina (moderator or otherwise). We are not going to have posters make threats like "I'll be back in 15 minutes if you ban me" when starting threads whose only purpose is to invoke a flame war. And don't give me that "You just don't get it" B.S. as it doesn't matter anymore. Debate time is over. One step out of line and you guys lose your forum.
You've been very strict too. Do you remember that working?

A simple, and stupidly silly post made by GFreeman to Morg, which no one but you and Morg took seriously, is enough to "nuke" an entire forum? Why don't you just say something funny/stupid back to Freeman and forget about it?

This "Clique mentality" you keep pegging on us has got to stop. No one here is in a "clique" and we're very friendly to members, especially those who are friendly to us. None of us even talked to Cookiva before the death of Heath Ledger, but we had him talking with us like we were old pals within no time at all. That's not a clique.

I'm going to put myself into the mindset you've expressed with your words here: On the supposition that we're all bad people, that we come back after being banned within 15 minutes and we just love to harass people... let's think one step ahead: say you nuke the Game Forum. Now you've got a bunch of bad, new users going where? Community. General Movies. Anywhere. Is that a solution to you? You may think we're all bad, but at least we're all contained in one spot.

Now in reality, if you nuked the forum, we'd all probably just leave. I would. But that would be fine proof that we weren't actually so bad, no more than your average Community poster. So you effectively terminate a very active forum with some very large contributors for no reason other than mere suspicion of a clique mentality?

[Matt]

It is what it is, we're not going to debate this. The nuclear option is the solution for the next step out of line.

How about simply conforming to the rules you agreed to upon registration and seeing to it that this never happens?

[TheCorpulent1]

As a relatively recent addition to the gaming forum, I can vouch for WHF's comment about friendliness. I started posting and no one hassled me for not being in a clique or anything like that.

[Electro UK]

They should make a movie about the hype. We'd probably be portrayed as placing genocide on the place of something.

[Electro UK]

As a relatively recent addition to the gaming forum, I can vouch for WHF's comment about friendliness. I started posting and no one hassled me for not being in a clique or anything like that.

Exunctly. Look at Spider-Bale, he came in here shoutng "Yo yo! The Xbox is crap ma holy fo!" and he hasn't killed or anything. :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

They should make a movie about the hype. We'd probably be portrayed as placing genocide on the place of something.

I think I'm a pretty nice guy, and I've been respectful to the mods when voicing my opinions with them. Hopefully I'd merely be portrayed as a maniac. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe a more personable Ted Bundy?

[WhatsHisFace]

Of course not. The problem users who are putting the Games Forum at risk know who they are. If they change their behavior, there will be absolutely no problem.

I assume by "problem users" you mean GFreeman. The only complaint I've seen about him so far (since his current username) has been this isolated silly-Morg-joke "incident". It's not a behavioral thing really, it was just one simple joke and it's over.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, given that he warned you just now, I think you're also meant to be a "problem user." I vote for Matt to ban you on principle. :up:

[Electro UK]

I vote for the nightmare to end. :(

[WhatsHisFace]

Well, given that he warned you just now, I think you're also meant to be a "problem user." I vote for Matt to ban you on principle. :up:
Clarifying a situation isn't grounds for a ban.

But I take back what I said about you being a good artist. Out of principle. :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

One must have principles. :up:

[Electro UK]

Corpulent, were you mainly in the comics forums before coming here?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm still mainly in the comics forums. I only post in a few threads on whatever interests me here. I post in practically every thread in the comics forums.

[WhatsHisFace]

I think he was in FanArt.

Edit: damn. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I was there for a while too. Then I got a job and stopped drawing as much, so I haven't been on there much lately.

[Matt]

I assume by "problem users" you mean GFreeman. The only complaint I've seen about him so far (since his current username) has been this isolated silly-Morg-joke "incident". It's not a behavioral thing really, it was just one simple joke and it's over.

Like I said, this is not up for debate. We've gone over this in the washroom. This is our conclussion. We are not going to have our forum held hostage by ban proof users who taunt us when disciplined. It is, what it is. Now get back on topic or this thread will be closed.

[Electro UK]

I'm still mainly in the comics forums. I only post in a few threads on whatever interests me here. I post in practically every thread in the comics forums.

Knew I remembered you from somewhere. Back when I posted in the comics forum... before I realised I spent way too much on comics, cut down...


And spent all the money I'd saved on video games. :(

[WhatsHisFace]

I really stopped liking comic books once they were cut down to 15 pages and never told a complete story.

[TheCorpulent1]

Knew I remembered you from somewhere. Back when I posted in the comics forum... before I realised I spent way too much on comics, cut down...


And spent all the money I'd saved on video games. :(
Yeah, I'm in that situation now. I know I could get a 360 quicker if I stopped spending so much on comics all the time, but I can't stop buying my comics. They're like a drug, man. :(

[Spider-Gamer]

Video games and comics. Sounds like we all have expensive habits.

[Electro UK]

Yeah, I'm in that situation now. I know I could get a 360 quicker if I stopped spending so much on comics all the time, but I can't stop buying my comics. They're like a drug, man. :(

I know what you mean. All of a sudden you're like "I like this character too, I can start buying this book".

I started off with just New Avengers (held all my favorite heroes). It soon turned to:

New Avengers
Amazing Spider-man
Marvel Knights/Spectacular Spider-man
Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-man
Cable and Deadpool
Fantastic Four
Wolverine
Batman and Superman
Detective Comics
Batman
Daredevil
Might Avengers
Avengers: The Iniative
Marvel Adventures: The Avengers
And all the crappy "Ground breaking" mini series' they do every year. So I cut right back until it was just Amazing Spider-man, then OMD kicked in...

[WhatsHisFace]

Video games and comics. Sounds like we all have expensive habits.
I like to Gamble. :csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

WHF wins.
Video games and comics. Sounds like we all have expensive habits.
Yeah. Although I don't understand why video games are so expensive. They're more popular than ever. Comics are more expensive because the readership is always shrinking.