Just to be fair: The Official "Marlon Wayans is Ripcord" Thread

[Bug-Eyed Earl]

Not a well-known character, nor a popular choice. Will we be pleasantly surprised? Discuss here.

[Nokio]

Even though Marlon Wayans is annoying as hell at times he can be a good actor when serious. Unfortunatly since the director is Somers I'm pretty sure that Wayans is going to be comic relief, much like that guy Benny in the 1st Mummy. Not looking foward to his character.

[TheVileOne]

When is he a pretty good actor when serious? I don't even think he was that good in REQUIEM.

[Philly Phanboy]

Wayans is supposedly a big Joe fan which is largely why he got the part. The thing is his part isn't "Ripcord" from any incarnation (comic/TV series), it's using the name of an existing character and giving it to a role specifically written for Wayans to be the generic comic relief.

If Wayans wanted to really contribute to this movie and the writers wanted to give him a role of an actual Joe that held some substance, they should have written him in as Stalker and dropped this whole Ripcord schtick altogether.

[Super_Ludacris]

*Looks foward to Marlon doing his usual thing of making goofy faces like Bobby Brown and mock versions of mid 90s East Coast machismo in the middle of a battle scene in the dessert of a $100 million movie, while some nerd next to me convinces me that this movie is a "butchering" of some "deep" mythology behind the original 80's GI Joe and Damon's baby bro is the catalyst for it*

Do ya thing Marlon! Make these nerds mad with hack comedic moves! :)

[Philly Phanboy]

^^ Meh. If he wanted to make a comedic army movie he should get together with Paulie Shore and make a sequel to "In the Army Now".

Not saying that there shouldn't be comedic moments in the movie, just saying that they're entirely taking the wrong approach to it. Keep Wayans in the movie but give him more than just a one-dimensional character. As I mentioned before, the Stalker character has a much more interesting backstory and would be a much more interesting addition to the Joes.

[DOG LIPS]

Ha ha "Just to be fair". :woot: :csad:

[Super_Ludacris]

^^ Meh. If he wanted to make a comedic army movie he should get together with Paulie Shore and make a sequel to "In the Army Now".
Not saying that there shouldn't be comedic moments in the movie, just saying that they're entirely taking the wrong approach to it. Keep Wayans in the movie but give him more than just a one-dimensional character. As I mentioned before, the Stalker character has a much more interesting backstory and would be a much more interesting addition to the Joes.

*ignores you for good because of what your definition of comedy is*

[Philly Phanboy]

Are you saying Marlon's type of comedy is too highbrow for a Paulie Shore movie? :wow: :hehe: ;)

[TheVileOne]

Being a fan doesn't make you qualified. Its certainly nice if they are.

But Macy Gray likes Spider-man, but people hated her in the Spider-man movie.

Also you guys need to realize who is directing this movie, its STEPHEN SOMMERS. So don't expect some sort of highly layered, subtle drama out of these performances.

[chamber-music]

Being a fan doesn't make you qualified. Its certainly nice if they are.

But Macy Gray likes Spider-man, but people hated her in the Spider-man movie.

Also you guys need to realize who is directing this movie, its STEPHEN SOMMERS. So don't expect some sort of highly layered, subtle drama out of these performances.

Macy Gray didn't really do anything is Spider-Man though. She was just playing herself.

[Raiden]

I still think this is one of the worst casting for this movie, even worse than Duke.

[Blade_fan1911]

Being a fan doesn't make you qualified. Its certainly nice if they are.

But Macy Gray likes Spider-man, but people hated her in the Spider-man movie.

Also you guys need to realize who is directing this movie, its STEPHEN SOMMERS. So don't expect some sort of highly layered, subtle drama out of these performances.

It's also a GI Joe movie. If it's on par with TF or better than it's a plus. What do people expect someone to do with tv shows that were basically long toy commercials.

[TheVileOne]

It's also a GI Joe movie. If it's on par with TF or better than it's a plus. What do people expect someone to do with tv shows that were basically long toy commercials.

Not suck with crappy comedic performances and at least have Scarlett/Snake Eyes end up together like the comics the producers say they are so FAITHFULLY adapting and using as their bible?

[Kokoryu1]

Stalker seemed a bit too serious for Marlon Wayans. But why did they have to choose an annoying black actor for a white character. Let me guess there aren't enough black characters in the G.I. Joe universe to choose from. Hmm Lets see Doc, Heavy Duty, Colonel Courage, Dee Jay, Roadblock, Alpine, Static Line. Nope not enough.

[CEREBRAL....]

This is very minor to me considering all the other issues with this movie may or may not have...i love how people in this thread are acting like they never seen a movie where a blk character was portrayed by a wht character or vice versa..i.e. "spawn" ALi's best friend being wht, in "daredevil" the kingpin being blk.....geeez man....if he pulls it off i'm sure most of you guys will be like snakes eyes.. "mute!!"

[Blade_fan1911]

Not suck with crappy comedic performances and at least have Scarlett/Snake Eyes end up together like the comics the producers say they are so FAITHFULLY adapting and using as their bible?

I was agreeing with your original "So don't expect some sort of highly layered, subtle drama out of these performances." comment.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

My problem with his casting is the racist nature of hollywood. The black guy is always comic relief. I bet you will hear a ton of "why the black man gotta..." jokes. Wayans isn't funny and he makes terrible movies, I'm sure he's going to be equally bad in this film.

[Kokoryu1]

This is very minor to me considering all the other issues with this movie may or may not have...i love how people in this thread are acting like they never seen a movie where a blk character was portrayed by a wht character or vice versa..i.e. "spawn" ALi's best friend being wht, in "daredevil" the kingpin being blk.....geeez man....if he pulls it off i'm sure most of you guys will be like snakes eyes.. "mute!!"

Which Snake Eyes are you referring to? The Original that we all know and love even though his face and throat were disfigured rescuing Scarlett? Or the One from this movie who has taken a vow of silence!. Hell son, Morgan Freemans a Good actor, why not put some tights on him and have him play Captain America or Aquaman! I've said before and I'll say it again " You can't put a cat in the oven and call it a biscuit! " With more than enough black characters in the Joe Universe to have that ******* Wayans play, Why Ripcord?. If they needed a black paratrooper then Static line is your available token especially if they're throwing in nobodys like Heavy Duty and not Roadblock. If they really needed comic relief then why not Alpine? Daredevil sucked because they strayed way off course. Kingpin should have been white. You mean to tell me that in all of Hollywood a FAT WHITE GUY COULDN"T BE FOUND!? Some things shouldn't be messed with. I.E. If it ain't broke then why fix it?!. And who the hell cares about Spawn? (A stupid fraking cross between Batman and Ghostrider because Rob Liefeld has never had an original Idea in his life!)The movie tanked because it also strayed from the known and accepted story lines and was beleagured with mostly hacktors and rubber suits. What other movie do I see going that same route? Hmmm...Good actors outnumbered by bad ones, completely unrelated and altered history and story line.... OH I KNOW! The new G.I. Joe movie!

[mr. peasant]

Is it just me, or does Wayans sort of remind me of Stalker in those photos? There's speculation going around that Wayans is meant to portray Stalker but as the term 'stalker' has too many negative connotations associated with it to be given to a protagonist, they switched the codename to another character's. Anyone else suspecting this as well?

[Kokoryu1]

Interesting idea. Never thought about it that way. But he's still wrong for the part.

[Rick Roll'd]

SO you guys would be against Jason Lee or Ryan Reynolds playing a latino character like shipwreck. It's not the biggest problem with this film and judging by the new pics that came out he was the only one outside of storm shadow that looked like a joe.

Im not gonna judge the whole movie but i will judge what i see and this movie looks embarrasing.

[Kokoryu1]

SO you guys would be against Jason Lee or Ryan Reynolds playing a latino character like shipwreck. It's not the biggest problem with this film and judging by the new pics that came out he was the only one outside of storm shadow that looked like a joe.

Im not gonna judge the whole movie but i will judge what i see and this movie looks embarrasing.

It has been done in Hollywood for a while now. Most famous example would be Pacino playing a Cuban refugee in Scarface. So Ryan reynolds or Jason Lee as Shipwreck isn't such a stretch especially considering the wit and levity we've come to expect from a Shipwreck character. So you could lend that some credence. Ripcord is caucasian and at no time during the comics or tv show do I recall him being a joker. That was always Alpines job. Wayans (Besides being a second rate actor who makes makes dreadful movies completely unfunny and annoying as hell. Just my opinion.) would have been better suited for that role. But my final argument is, why make a rather obscure character a completely diffent race?. No sense. Like I said before, If the studio is putting in second string characters like Heavy Duty and not Roadblock why not Static line (who just happens to be a black paratrooper) whom with almost no one is familiar with and let Wayans use him as a vessel for his brand of Funny?.

[Kokoryu1]

SO you guys would be against Jason Lee or Ryan Reynolds playing a latino character like shipwreck. It's not the biggest problem with this film and judging by the new pics that came out he was the only one outside of storm shadow that looked like a joe.

Im not gonna judge the whole movie but i will judge what i see and this movie looks embarrasing.

It has been done in Hollywood for a while now. Most famous example would be Pacino playing a Cuban refugee in Scarface. So Ryan reynolds or Jason Lee as Shipwreck isn't such a stretch especially considering the wit and levity we've come to expect from a Shipwreck character. So you could lend that some credence. Ripcord is caucasian and at no time during the comics or tv show do I recall him being a joker. That was always Alpines job. Wayans (Besides being a second rate actor who makes makes dreadful movies completely unfunny and annoying as hell. Just my opinion.) would have been better suited for that role. But my final argument is, why make a rather obscure character a completely diffent race?. No sense. Like I said before, If the studio is putting in second string characters like Heavy Duty and not Roadblock why not Static line (who just happens to be a black paratrooper) whom with almost no one is familiar with and let Wayans use him as a vessel for his brand of Funny?. And I whole heartedly agree with you. This is an embarrasment.

[Rick Roll'd]

Yeah i mean at the end of the day i don't feel it is the end all be all of the movie it is a problem but this cast lacks the feel of imminent danger from the cobra side and from the joe side they can't be taken serious.
For example
The Rock(the movie) what worked with the marines in there was that the people that were cast fit ED Harris, David Morse, John C. McGinley they conveyed the look

these guys cast as the Militaries Elite convey kids that watch MTV and dream of starring in laguna beach oneday they don't fit period

[mr. peasant]

It has been done in Hollywood for a while now. Most famous example would be Pacino playing a Cuban refugee in Scarface. So Ryan reynolds or Jason Lee as Shipwreck isn't such a stretch especially considering the wit and levity we've come to expect from a Shipwreck character. So you could lend that some credence. Ripcord is caucasian and at no time during the comics or tv show do I recall him being a joker. That was always Alpines job. Wayans (Besides being a second rate actor who makes makes dreadful movies completely unfunny and annoying as hell. Just my opinion.) would have been better suited for that role. But my final argument is, why make a rather obscure character a completely diffent race?. No sense. Like I said before, If the studio is putting in second string characters like Heavy Duty and not Roadblock why not Static line (who just happens to be a black paratrooper) whom with almost no one is familiar with and let Wayans use him as a vessel for his brand of Funny?.

Heavy Duty isn't a second rate character, at least not in recent years. In the more recent adaptations of G.I. Joe (particularly Sigma 6 and the CGI movies), he's replaced Roadblock. Speculation is that Heavy Duty was brought in as replacement due to issues regarding using the Roadblock character in these mediums (with further speculation that the same problem applies to this movie).

As for why they're changing the race of an obscure character, it should be obvious. They wanted to reinvent a character (more than just the nationality), example such as in terms of personality and role. In which case, they probably figured it would've been better doing it to a relatively unknown character as opposed to an established one. Imagine the backlash that would have occurred if Wayans had been cast as Lady Jaye. :D

[Mal'Akai]

Heavy Duty isn't a second rate character, at least not in recent years. In the more recent adaptations of G.I. Joe (particularly Sigma 6 and the CGI movies), he's replaced Roadblock. Speculation is that Heavy Duty was brought in as replacement due to issues regarding using the Roadblock character in these mediums (with further speculation that the same problem applies to this movie).

As for why they're changing the race of an obscure character, it should be obvious. They wanted to reinvent a character (more than just the nationality), example such as in terms of personality and role. In which case, they probably figured it would've been better doing it to a relatively unknown character as opposed to an established one. Imagine the backlash that would have occurred if Wayans had been cast as Lady Jaye. :D
Keep in mind that with the JoeReloaded series, Doc is a woman.

[Bug-Eyed Earl]

Keep in mind that with the JoeReloaded series, Doc is a woman.

In the same announcement from IESB that announced Wayans as Ripcord, the guy mentioned he had heard Topher Grace was up for the role.

I think that with Ripcord, they simply looked at a wider ranges of ethnicities since he's a more obscure character and written the most differently from the original.

BTW- in the script, Ripcord isn't that obnoxious. He kicks ass effectively, doesn't do any nonsense like screaming in a battle, and despite LDB's description of him as Duke's buddy that Duke has to save, he actually saves Duke more often, who he's intensely loyal to.

In short, if I had read this before he was cast, I would have imagine a Paul Rudd or Vince VAughn TYPE from reading this.

[CEREBRAL....]

Which Snake Eyes are you referring to? The Original that we all know and love even though his face and throat were disfigured rescuing Scarlett? Or the One from this movie who has taken a vow of silence!. Hell son, Morgan Freemans a Good actor, why not put some tights on him and have him play Captain America or Aquaman! I've said before and I'll say it again " You can't put a cat in the oven and call it a biscuit! " With more than enough black characters in the Joe Universe to have that ******* Wayans play, Why Ripcord?. If they needed a black paratrooper then Static line is your available token especially if they're throwing in nobodys like Heavy Duty and not Roadblock. If they really needed comic relief then why not Alpine? Daredevil sucked because they strayed way off course. Kingpin should have been white. You mean to tell me that in all of Hollywood a FAT WHITE GUY COULDN"T BE FOUND!? Some things shouldn't be messed with. I.E. If it ain't broke then why fix it?!. And who the hell cares about Spawn? (A stupid fraking cross between Batman and Ghostrider because Rob Liefeld has never had an original Idea in his life!)The movie tanked because it also strayed from the known and accepted story lines and was beleagured with mostly hacktors and rubber suits. What other movie do I see going that same route? Hmmm...Good actors outnumbered by bad ones, completely unrelated and altered history and story line.... OH I KNOW! The new G.I. Joe movie!


Is “ripcord” that essential to you that he has to be play’d by a white actor? So let’s get Johnny Knoxville to play ripcord then? I can understand if the character is in the main part of the movie, but it doesn’t seem like “ripcord” would be. It’s friggin movie they change crap around all the time in movies. It should never matter the race of the actor or actress only their performance…there’s a quote you should continue to say over and over again. As long as it’s not that drastic of a change I still don’t see what the belly aching is about, and if he does a good job, I really don’t see the belly aching still existing (wait a min. yeah I do). Who cares of “spawn” or “daredevil” wasn’t good movies. I was not talking about them being good movies, I was talking about particular characters in the movie played by difference race. And you can use what ever “snake eyes” you want for my metaphor.

[Nathan Petrelli]

isnt Marlon Wayans the slightly gay black guy in Scary Movie?

[tamron]

isnt Marlon Wayans the slightly gay black guy in Scary Movie?

No, that's Shawn Wayans. Marlon is the stoner black guy in Scary Movie.

[terry78]

I think this has more to do with the fact that they don't want a race of a character changed than anything. I can promise you no real G.I. Joe fan gives two ****s about Ripcord, a third stringer, if that. But because Wayans is playing him suddenly he means something?

[CEREBRAL....]

I think this has more to do with the fact that they don't want a race of a character changed than anything. I can promise you no real G.I. Joe fan gives two ****s about Ripcord, a third stringer, if that. But because Wayans is playing him suddenly he means something?


my point exactly......i could careless if they change race as long as they do the character justice...i'm good...i think it's petty to b*tch about the race of a minor character changing handz...

[KenK]

I barely remember Ripcord. I could care less.

[Kokoryu1]

You' re right guys sorry for having an opinion. Screw it then lets just make all the characters Arab and Chinese.

[mr. peasant]

my point exactly......i could careless if they change race as long as they do the character justice...i'm good...i think it's petty to b*tch about the race of a minor character changing handz...

Call me weird but I wouldn't mind even if a major character's race/gender was switched around as long as the performance was bang on perfect (e.g. Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin or Dakota Fanning in Dreamer).

[Nathan Petrelli]

I was annoyed when Kingpin decided to become black, but I dont really care about Ripcord

[CEREBRAL....]

Call me weird but I wouldn't mind even if a major character's race/gender was switched around as long as the performance was bang on perfect (e.g. Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin or Dakota Fanning in Dreamer).


yea honestly it wouldnt' make a difference to me either, but to folks like "koykoryu1" you can't do that..that's creating anachary!:cwink:

[CEREBRAL....]

I was annoyed when Kingpin decided to become black, but I dont really care about Ripcord

i didn't know kingpin DECIDED to become blk. I thought the writers thought Michael Clarke Duncan was right for the part so they gave it to him..i didnt think they sat there and was like "emmmm we need a blk actor to play kingpin....OH YEAH THAT'S IT...LET'S GET M.C.D...yeah he's blk. enough" Who else would you had suggest for the part....the last time i check'd Michael Clarke Duncan is a pretty good actor (i.e. "the green mile") but then again...according to koykoryu1..."just any old fat white actor" would of been fine...

[nieman]

I think this has more to do with the fact that they don't want a race of a character changed than anything. I can promise you no real G.I. Joe fan gives two ****s about Ripcord, a third stringer, if that. But because Wayans is playing him suddenly he means something?

I'm black and I don't think they should've changed Ripcord's race...even if he is a 3rd stringer. I didn't care about Michael Clarke Duncan being Kingpin because he was the right size. Sometimes I do think the performance of the actor can overpower the look, but with G.I. Joe, they are just slapping names on anyone.....it's like they are playing dart board casting. I don't hate Marlon Wayans as an actor, but its just G.I. Joe has tons of black characters that he could've played....Stalker, Big Lob, Alpine (would've been perfect), Alexander (mixed son of Destro)...he could've been an Ex-Cobra Viper that converted (not Mercer), they could've made up an entirely new character.

Like I said before, it's like they are trying to sabotage the film. At least in Transformers, they tried to keep as much similar as possible. and there were restrictions in that.

[Nathan Petrelli]

i didn't know kingpin DECIDED to become blk. I thought the writers thought Michael Clarke Duncan was right for the part so they gave it to him..i didnt think they sat there and was like "emmmm we need a blk actor to play kingpin....OH YEAH THAT'S IT...LET'S GET M.C.D...yeah he's blk. enough" Who else would you had suggest for the part....the last time i check'd Michael Clarke Duncan is a pretty good actor (i.e. "the green mile") but then again...according to koykoryu1..."just any old fat white actor" would of been fine...

Danny Trejo has more experience than Michael Clarke Duncan, especially in the bad guy role, so why not throw him in hey?

Michael Clarke Duncan was only chosen because he is big and bold.. A black Kingpin was not cool, I'm not racist at all, but Kingpin is a white guy with no hair, not a big massive black dude, it was a major let down.. And really, as Koykoryu1 said Hollywood COULD have found a big bold fat white actor to play Kingpin.. Hell, James Gandolfini with a bit of make up and a thin body suit on would have been a great Kingpin..

Changing the race on a minor character is insignificant, Ripcord doesnt matter, but doing it to the main villain, who is one of the biggest villains in Marvel who is actually human, thats just stupid

For the record, Michael Clarke Duncan is one of my favorite actors

[BurnZy]

^^ Meh. If he wanted to make a comedic army movie he should get together with Paulie Shore and make a sequel to "In the Army Now".

Or he could have done a sequel to his brothers movie...

http://www.impawards.com/1995/posters/major_payne.jpg

[CEREBRAL....]

Danny Trejo has more experience than Michael Clarke Duncan, especially in the bad guy role, so why not throw him in hey?

Michael Clarke Duncan was only chosen because he is big and bold.. A black Kingpin was not cool, I'm not racist at all, but Kingpin is a white guy with no hair, not a big massive black dude, it was a major let down.. And really, as Koykoryu1 said Hollywood COULD have found a big bold fat white actor to play Kingpin.. Hell, James Gandolfini with a bit of make up and a thin body suit on would have been a great Kingpin..

Changing the race on a minor character is insignificant, Ripcord doesnt matter, but doing it to the main villain, who is one of the biggest villains in Marvel who is actually human, thats just stupid

For the record, Michael Clarke Duncan is one of my favorite actors

"MCD was only chosen for the part cuz of his size"!?-how do you know that exactly? And did he play the part well, or not? Why does it matter that another actor play'd more villains...good actors are suppose to be versatile, and u do realize "kingpin" is a fictitious character right..he DOESNT HAVE TO BE WHITE OR BLK...just because you're use to him in a comic book doesnt mean he can't change race in a movie..and i'm sure you are not racist, BUT to sit there and pay attention to color like that, for it to bother you so much, i just dont get, what is that!!?

Kingpin being blk in "daredevil" had nothing to do with the movie being bad. I think most of you need to realize not everything has to stay the same, we are in 2008; minorities of all kind should not always have to play just minorities parts, that bull crap....and i'm glad people like u aren't casting actors and actresses for movie rolls..

The only person to occupy the "white house" has been a white man...so should that stay the same as well?

ps: I don't think James Gandolfini would of taken the roll because he held HBO up for more money for sopranos..so what do you think he would of ask'd for - for daredevil?

[Nathan Petrelli]

"MCD was only chosen for the part cuz of his size"!?-how do you know that exactly? And did he play the part well, or not? Why does it matter that another actor play'd more villains...good actors are suppose to be versatile, and u do realize "kingpin" is a fictitious character right..he DOESNT HAVE TO BE WHITE OR BLK...just because you're use to him in a comic book doesnt mean he can't change race in a movie..and i'm sure you are not racist, BUT to sit there and pay attention to color like that, for it to bother you so much, i just dont get, what is that!!?

Kingpin being blk in "daredevil" had nothing to do with the movie being bad. I think most of you need to realize not everything has to stay the same, we are in 2008; minorities of all kind should not always have to play just minorities parts, that bull crap....and i'm glad people like u aren't casting actors and actresses for movie rolls..

The only person to occupy the "white house" has been a white man...so should that stay the same as well?

ps: I don't think James Gandolfini would of taken the roll because he held HBO up for more money for sopranos..so what do you think he would of ask'd for - for daredevil?

so you would be ok with a Mexican Superman, an Indian Batman, an Asian Spider-Man, an Arabic Captain America?

[CEREBRAL....]

so you would be ok with a Mexican Superman, an Indian Batman, an Asian Spider-Man, an Arabic Captain America?


ha ha it's funny i have heard the same statement made by the same type of people....do i need to explain the obvious or is it you have no other counterpoint so statements like this is all you have left...and the question should be direct'd towards you..i'm basically saying...minorities could play other roles MENT FOR WHT ACTOR OR ACTRESS...nobody ever said to change superman, or spider-man....plz dont insult my intelligence with this weak reply by you..

[Nathan Petrelli]

ha ha it's funny i have heard the same statement made by the same type of people....do i need to explain the obvious or is it you have no other counterpoint so statements like this is all you have left...and the question should be direct'd towards you..i'm basically saying...minorities could play other roles MENT FOR WHT ACTOR OR ACTRESS...nobody ever said to change superman, or spider-man....plz dont insult my intelligence with this weak reply by you..

intelligence? get off your high horse buddy, your other post that I replied to was a rambling on about how any race can play any role, as long as they are a good actor, I gave you a sufficient question and I'm sorry if it wasnt as long as you expected it to be, but I dont ramble.

should I answer my own question? Ok. No, I dont believe Captain America should be an Arab because the Arab is a good actor, or the Indian Batman, Mexican Superman and Asian Spider-Man. I grew up seeing these people as white characters, I dont care how racist that sounds. Would you feel weird watching a white Al Simmons or a black Incredible Hulk? Hell, screw it... Lets throw in a Jamaican Charles Xavier and a Thai Magneto

do not avoid my question, I believe you owe me an answer

by the way, direct'd, MENT, WHT, plz and blk insults your own intelligence, not me.

[mr. peasant]

intelligence? get off your high horse buddy, your other post that I replied to was a rambling on about how any race can play any role, as long as they are a good actor, I gave you a sufficient question and I'm sorry if it wasnt as long as you expected it to be, but I dont ramble.

should I answer my own question? Ok. No, I dont believe Captain America should be an Arab because the Arab is a good actor, or the Indian Batman, Mexican Superman and Asian Spider-Man. I grew up seeing these people as white characters, I dont care how racist that sounds. Would you feel weird watching a white Al Simmons or a black Incredible Hulk? Hell, screw it... Lets throw in a Jamaican Charles Xavier and a Thai Magneto

do not avoid my question, I believe you owe me an answer

by the way, direct'd, MENT, WHT, plz and blk insults your own intelligence, not me.

Not to butt in, but I personally have no problems whatsoever with the race changes you mentioned above as long as the actors are good at the role. After all, isn't it an actual law in the US that says one can't deny a person of a job based solely on race alone? Saying a particular cartoon/comic character has to be of a certain race is one step away from saying the guy you buy newspapers from or the cabdriver you're hiring has to be of a certain race. While I'm sure you (and most decent people) wouldn't cross that line, the principle behind them are the same. Also, I thought I should mention this: a Black Superman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_Irons) (surrogate) has been done before.

[Nathan Petrelli]

Not to butt in, but I personally have no problems whatsoever with the race changes you mentioned above as long as the actors are good at the role. After all, isn't it an actual law in the US that says one can't deny a person of a job based solely on race alone? Saying a particular cartoon/comic character has to be of a certain race is one step away from saying the guy you buy newspapers from or the cabdriver you're hiring has to be of a certain race. While I'm sure you (and most decent people) wouldn't cross that line, the principle behind them are the same. Also, I thought I should mention this: a Black Superman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_Irons) (surrogate) has been done before.

that is different, Steel was made to be an African American hero, and believe it or not, but I do believe some roles will never be given to someone who doesnt fit the race description, do you think they would have let Bruce Willis or Elijah Wood play Chris Gardner (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0009642/) from Pursuit of Happiness?

I couldnt care less about minor roles being changed, but changing well known characters just because the actor has the same body shape and a bold head is pretty stupid

and really, NOBODY here would be ok seeing an Indian Spider-Man. Nobody.

[Kokoryu1]

Why is it that some people in here have no problem with character changes if the actor is good. That's such bull. Would you be saying the same thing if Harry Truman or Ronald Reagan were portrayed by good actors such as James Earl Jones and Danny Glover? How about Jack Nicholson as MLK? Or JFK by Lawrence Fishburne? It's not about the actor so much as it is why change something for no valid reason? (As far as this Ripcord Issue goes, no it doesn't create anarchy for me that they changed the characters race. What galls me is there is no valid reason for it. Ripcord was one of my favorite figures because he was one of my original 3. My first figure being Doc, my second Blowtorch and then Ripcord. So maybe I'm biased. Hell, I have in my basement all of my original figures. Well over 600. 230 Joes 370+ Cobras. 200 vehicles. So for me seeing this movie made is Awesome as I am A fanboy for G.I.Joe but when I see changes for no reason I get a little perturbed.) What if they had cast Morgan Freeman as Hawk? or Benecio Del Toro as Stalker?. Marlon Wayans is just a wrong choice for that role. The only thing worse than some of the casting is the supposed script. So yes I'm dissapointed. I am all for change, its the only constant in the universe. But change for no reason IS anarchy not evolution. So put down the Sailor moon comics and pick up G.I. JOE: #32, 33, 37-42, 45-50, 65, 74, 75, 80 G.I. JOE Special Missions: #25 just to see how minor a character Ripcord is.

[CEREBRAL....]

intelligence? get off your high horse buddy, your other post that I replied to was a rambling on about how any race can play any role, as long as they are a good actor, I gave you a sufficient question and I'm sorry if it wasnt as long as you expected it to be, but I dont ramble.

should I answer my own question? Ok. No, I dont believe Captain America should be an Arab because the Arab is a good actor, or the Indian Batman, Mexican Superman and Asian Spider-Man. I grew up seeing these people as white characters, I dont care how racist that sounds. Would you feel weird watching a white Al Simmons or a black Incredible Hulk? Hell, screw it... Lets throw in a Jamaican Charles Xavier and a Thai Magneto

do not avoid my question, I believe you owe me an answer

by the way, direct'd, MENT, WHT, plz and blk insults your own intelligence, not me.


First off, I’m purposely shorten words like "wht, plz and blk" (i do admit some were typos..hey, i'm not prefect) but that's me abbreviating, short text’ing if you will...I would figured you knew that. As we are posting paragraphs here, I rather not sit here and write out every single word, taking up time and space. HENCE why I'm abbreviating/short text’ing certain words...but I guess I have to assume u know nothing and completely write everything out.

You don’t like to ramble, then how long is your post I'm replying to now, along with others I have replied to? That one sentence was the shortest you post, so you may think you don't like to ramble but it sure seems like you're doing it.

And there is no high horse about me, if you read all my post I made it pretty clear....I see no big deal in changing certain characters race, as long as it's not that drastic of a change. I mean, I can't say it any clearer...on less u would rather me type it in bold to you. Yeah some characters there's no need to change their race, at all! ex: (SIDE NOTE "ex" IS SHORT FOR THE WORD "EXAMPLE" in case you didn't know) ex: superman, spiderman I'm sure everyone would be surprise to see their race change, and it's not warranted. That's kind of obvious and really a waste of time from me to let you know that I knew that. That's why I didn’t respond to it and that's why I asked you not insult my intelligence. It was a stupid question (in my opinion). The length at which you type I care less about.

If you wanna go tick for tact, then cool! I never seen you response to my president question at all? I would like a response please!?


another thing "catwomen" was a white character....they gave Eartha Kitt a chance to play "catwomen" in the television series and just as recently as a few years back hallie berry play'd the character on the big screem....so is that a problem?

(and in my opinion...nobody could touch michelle phifer as catwoman)

[CEREBRAL....]

Why is it that some people in here have no problem with character changes if the actor is good. That's such bull. Would you be saying the same thing if Harry Truman or Ronald Reagan were portrayed by good actors such as James Earl Jones and Danny Glover? How about Jack Nicholson as MLK? Or JFK by Lawrence Fishburne? It's not about the actor so much as it is why change something for no valid reason?


Here's where this argument follows short..you're comparing actually people to FICITIOUS characters......yeah if there was a movie based on any actual person and actual events then hell no, don’t change the race. But we are talking about a made up character from a person's mind. I'm not into the comic books like that (love the art work and story lines though, I just don’t read them), but the cartoon I loved, so I really don’t see what personality "ripcord" portrayed that he had to stay a white character. Like superman has to stay white so does spiderman (for instance) but ripcord if memory serves me correctly acts like anyone, and could be anyone!

And I'm guessing the directors to this movie really wasn't looking at ripcord like "we have to have him played by a black actor. I'm assuming they liked what marlon waynes brought to the table and they felt he could fit the part, and that's as rational as you could get. And I love G.I. Joe as much as you do, and don’t want them to ruin this movie either, but I don’t see a blk. actor playing “ripcord” really bothering me.

[Kokoryu1]

Here's where this argument follows short..you're comparing actually people to FICITIOUS characters......yeah if there was a movie based on any actual person and actual events then hell no, don’t change the race. But we are talking about a made up character from a person's mind. I'm not into the comic books like that (love the art work and story lines though, I just don’t read them), but the cartoon I loved, so I really don’t see what personality "ripcord" portrayed that he had to stay a white character. Like superman has to stay white so does spiderman (for instance) but ripcord if memory serves me correctly acts like anyone, and could be anyone!

And I'm guessing the directors to this movie really wasn't looking at ripcord like "we have to have him played by a black actor. I'm assuming they liked what marlon waynes brought to the table and they felt he could fit the part, and that's as rational as you could get. And I love G.I. Joe as much as you do, and don’t want them to ruin this movie either, but I don’t see a blk. actor playing “ripcord” really bothering me. Hmmm......What Marlon Wayans brings to the table?.... What exactly is that? A string of "hits"? I.E. White Girls, Little Man, etc. etc. From a director who brought us such cinematic masterpieces as the Mummy returns, and Helsing? I can even get past the color change issue as racism isn't in my blood. Where as Ripcord being a minor character in this film, ask youself this question isn't Brandan Frasers' Gung Ho appearance minor in contrast to how many members of the Joe team are actually in this film I.E Ripcord? And as I've said before good movies are doomed by bad actors in roles they shouldn't have. As far as them ruining this movie.. Too Late!

[CEREBRAL....]

Hmmm......What Marlon Wayans brings to the table?.... What exactly is that? A string of "hits"? I.E. White Girls, Little Man, etc. etc. From a director who brought us such cinematic masterpieces as the Mummy returns, and Helsing? I can even get past the color change issue as racism isn't in my blood. Where as Ripcord being a minor character in this film, ask youself this question isn't Brandan Frasers' Gung Ho appearance minor in contrast to how many members of the Joe team are actually in this film I.E Ripcord? And as I've said before good movies are doomed by bad actors in roles they shouldn't have. As far as them ruining this movie.. Too Late!


I said I assume that is what the director thought, I didnt say I thought that myself. I have no idea what Marlon Wayans is gonna bring to the table, and neither do you. You shouldnt assume he's gonna suck at the part without watching it first. That's what I'm going on, yeah I was shocked at first to see him in the movie but I know enough to wait and see how this all plays out before I give my final opinion. I can't make any other comments about whose gonna be in this film and who wont be in, because I really dont know what direction the directors are trying to go in...


and i'm not trying to make this a race issue either, nor am i assuming anyone on these boards are racist. I'm just mainly saying, I don't see the big deal.

[Kokoryu1]

I said I assume that is what the director thought, I didnt say I thought that myself. I have no idea what Marlon Wayans is gonna bring to the table, and neither do you. You shouldnt assume he's gonna suck at the part without watching it first. That's what I'm going on, yeah I was shocked at first to see him in the movie but I know enough to wait and see how this all plays out before I give my final opinion. I can't make any other comments about whose gonna be in this film and who wont be in, because I really dont know what direction the directors are trying to go in...


and i'm not trying to make this a race issue either, nor am i assuming anyone on these boards are racist. I'm just mainly saying, I don't see the big deal.

Fair enough. And I will conceed the point on prejudgement. I am basing my judgement on past performance with regards to the director and questionable cast (not the least of which is Wayans!). But knowing what I know of G.I. Joe lore I think it's utterly ridicuolous to "fix" something that isn't broke. Change is fine if only to contemporize a property but a complete rehashing of it to fit someones "Vision" is unnecessary and will alienate the fanbase. And that, IMO, is a big deal and why this endeavor will ultimately fail. (I pulled a Clinton:yay: with the racism comment. I mispoke. My apologies. I didn't mean to infer any racism from the boards here.)

[CEREBRAL....]

But knowing what I know of G.I. Joe lore I think it's utterly ridicuolous to "fix" something that isn't broke. Change is fine if only to contemporize a property but a complete rehashing of it to fit someones "Vision" is unnecessary and will alienate the fanbase. (I pulled a Clinton:yay: with the racism comment. I mispoke. My apologies. I didn't mean to infer any racism from the boards here.)

ha ha..na it's not a problem...i never once thought you or the other dude i'm debating with as being a racist...and i agree with you on changing stuff around to fit someones "vision" is unneccessary and i couldnt agree with you more "if it aint broke dont fix it" i can deal with minor changes but eating at the meat and potatoes of it (which we all agree this is what's happening) is a BIG PROBLEM!

[Heretic]

Is it possible to be bigoted towards anyone with the last name Wayans? If so, then I am a bigot.

[Kokoryu1]

Sorry

[Kokoryu1]

Unintentional multiple post

[Kokoryu1]

Just Cleaning up my mess

[Kokoryu1]

Last one gone!

[Kokoryu1]

ha ha..na it's not a problem...i never once thought you or the other dude i'm debating with as being a racist...and i agree with you on changing stuff around to fit someones "vision" is unneccessary and i couldnt agree with you more "if it aint broke dont fix it" i can deal with minor changes but eating at the meat and potatoes of it (which we all agree this is what's happening) is a BIG PROBLEM!
Ah and here we have the heart of it. They already have changed the meat and potatoes of it. So much so it's not even fit to call it an appetizer. Duke is Cobra Commanders best friend, G.I Joe Team mate and is in love with CC's sister the Baroness who it turns out is being mind controlled by presumed dead brother, CC. Dukes other best friend is Ripcord who gets Duke both into and out of trouble and incidentally hooks up with Scarlett. While Snake eyes has taken a vow of silence. Meanwhile Destros face was burned and his mask is made of nanites. That is a ludicris amount of change. I guess the public is too stupid to have understood the original story. And No hating the Wayans name isn't wrong considering the film gems they've given us!

[Kokoryu1]

sorry for the multiple replies. my keyboard is apparently on the fritz!

[CEREBRAL....]

Yup...i have a major issue with the script..and i will never fault anyone else for having that issue...i dont like the script and thinks it's complete trash..so much so i'm tryin' to ignore that this script exist only to hope the movie still comes out good or there's a better script bring written.

[Kokoryu1]

Yup...i have a major issue with the script..and i will never fault anyone else for having that issue...i dont like the script and thinks it's complete trash..so much so i'm tryin' to ignore that this script exist only to hope the movie still comes out good or there's a better script bring written.
While I admire your optimism I'll tell you what my Grandfather told me when I was 8. He said " It's hard for a train to ride on crooked tracks!"

[Nathan Petrelli]

First off, I’m purposely shorten words like "wht, plz and blk" (i do admit some were typos..hey, i'm not prefect) but that's me abbreviating, short text’ing if you will...I would figured you knew that. As we are posting paragraphs here, I rather not sit here and write out every single word, taking up time and space. HENCE why I'm abbreviating/short text’ing certain words...but I guess I have to assume u know nothing and completely write everything out.

You don’t like to ramble, then how long is your post I'm replying to now, along with others I have replied to? That one sentence was the shortest you post, so you may think you don't like to ramble but it sure seems like you're doing it.

And there is no high horse about me, if you read all my post I made it pretty clear....I see no big deal in changing certain characters race, as long as it's not that drastic of a change. I mean, I can't say it any clearer...on less u would rather me type it in bold to you. Yeah some characters there's no need to change their race, at all! ex: (SIDE NOTE "ex" IS SHORT FOR THE WORD "EXAMPLE" in case you didn't know) ex: superman, spiderman I'm sure everyone would be surprise to see their race change, and it's not warranted. That's kind of obvious and really a waste of time from me to let you know that I knew that. That's why I didn’t respond to it and that's why I asked you not insult my intelligence. It was a stupid question (in my opinion). The length at which you type I care less about.

If you wanna go tick for tact, then cool! I never seen you response to my president question at all? I would like a response please!?


another thing "catwomen" was a white character....they gave Eartha Kitt a chance to play "catwomen" in the television series and just as recently as a few years back hallie berry play'd the character on the big screem....so is that a problem?

(and in my opinion...nobody could touch michelle phifer as catwoman)

wow, you say you like to abbreviate because you are too lazy to move your fingers an extra few centimeters to hit the keys, but then you come across and say words like "text'ing" and write "ex", then write a whole sentence next to it telling me you meant example, then writing ex again.. I feel kind of stupid by reading your posts, I believe this would be the same feeling of someone who just smoked crack, you know, the fact you can feel your brain cells dying

however, this post of you trying to save face and defend your.. "intelligence" is stupid, and completely off-topic, so I'm not going to go further, thanks for the easy victory, don't bother quoting me unless you have an issue about the subject on hand, which is not how stupid you are :up:

[CEREBRAL....]

wow, you say you like to abbreviate because you are too lazy to move your fingers an extra few centimeters to hit the keys, but then you come across and say words like "text'ing" and write "ex", then write a whole sentence next to it telling me you meant example, then writing ex again.. I feel kind of stupid by reading your posts, I believe this would be the same feeling of someone who just smoked crack, you know, the fact you can feel your brain cells dying

however, this post of you trying to save face and defend your.. "intelligence" is stupid, and completely off-topic, so I'm not going to go further, thanks for the easy victory, don't bother quoting me unless you have an issue about the subject on hand, which is not how stupid you are :up:


Whose on thier high horse now! And please what I'm reading from you now is more "rambling" and smart a** comments then the actual topic. Laughin' at you feeling there was something to win here...if that makes you sleep at night, ok so be it. I pretty much talked about the issue at hand. Saving face is nothing i need to do, I careless on how you see it. You are only a screen name and nothing more...so this last post by you did exactly what now???? I'm lost..what were u trying to prove?

[Rick Roll'd]

Is this Wayans/Ripcord thing still going on?

[Kokoryu1]

Is this Wayans/Ripcord thing still going on? Of Course it is. It was a Stupid decision among many and it pisses people off.

[Nathan Petrelli]

Whose on thier high horse now! And please what I'm reading from you now is more "rambling" and smart a** comments then the actual topic. Laughin' at you feeling there was something to win here...if that makes you sleep at night, ok so be it. I pretty much talked about the issue at hand. Saving face is nothing i need to do, I careless on how you see it. You are only a screen name and nothing more...so this last post by you did exactly what now???? I'm lost..what were u trying to prove?

so this last post by you did exactly what now????

sorry to steal a line from the Rock;

WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL???

[CEREBRAL....]

so this last post by you did exactly what now????

sorry to steal a line from the Rock;

WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL???

emm..... he says he much rather talk about the topic, but yet we get this ^^^. Our debate, back n forth, whatever you want to call it is done. i have nothing more to say to you and you are proving to me you have nothing else to say as well..this is a waste of time and space...but if u like to contine with your babble, please dont let me stop you!

[Nathan Petrelli]

emm..... he says he much rather talk about the topic, but yet we get this ^^^. Our debate, back n forth, whatever you want to call it is done. i have nothing more to say to you and you are proving to me you have nothing else to say as well..this is a waste of time and space...but if u like to contine with your babble, please dont let me stop you!


oh wow, its like reading what I have already written, except in the words of a glue sniffer :wow:

[CEREBRAL....]

oh wow, its like reading what I have already written, except in the words of a glue sniffer :wow:


:whatever:..............

[Bug-Eyed Earl]

There is a difference between casting an Asian Spider Man and a black Kingpin.

Spider-Man is an average guy- average height, average looks. There are a ton of talented actors who could play him.

Kingpin is 6'7", 400 lbs+. Most actors that size are confined to a niche of playing the monster or the dumb henchmen, so going along with the fact that there aren't nearly as many guys that big as there are average sized guys, most are not that talented, so if you want a talented actor that size, you might have to sometimes think outside the box.

[Rick Roll'd]

Of Course it is. It was a Stupid decision among many and it pisses people off.

What about this movie shouldn't piss you off
Tatum as duke
English President
Nano bombs and suits
CC with ghost rider mask
Influx of leather

come on this movie has more problems than Ripcord really before this I didn't know about ripcord and didn't care.

It's Ripcord who even cares he is in here

[mr. peasant]

Influx of leather

No offense here, but what are you talking about? Best I can tell (based from those leaked pictures), the only character clad heavily in leather is the Baroness. The Joes are mostly in synthetics.

[Kokoryu1]

No offense here, but what are you talking about? Best I can tell (based from those leaked pictures), the only character clad heavily in leather is the Baroness. The Joes are mostly in synthetics. And all of the characters wear those accelerator suits with the exception of Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes (Scarlett tells RipCord "He doesn't need one") Destro and CC.

[mr. peasant]

And all of the characters wear those accelerator suits with the exception of Storm Shadow, Snake Eyes (Scarlett tells RipCord "He doesn't need one") Destro and CC.

But those suits aren't made of leather! They're made from synthetics (or rubber at worst). If your problem is what they're capable of, the U.S. military is actually in the middle of developing such gear (except maybe the invisibility but nobody seems to have a problem with Zartan, a run of the mill mercenary having one so why not the world's elite?) so it's actually not that out there to have the team (who are an elite commando unit) to be equipped with them since it's set in the near future.

[TheVileOne]

The US military is developing suits that make us run like the Flash?

[Heretic]

I actually hated Zartan as a kid. In my fictional battles I used him as a stealthy guy, but in no way was he able to change color. I hated that aspect of the character, and I see him as a precursor to Cobra-La.

[mr. peasant]

The US military is developing suits that make us run like the Flash?

While it probably won't ever be able to move that fast, the military is designing compact, powered exoskeletons that would allow soldiers to run faster and lift heavier loads. The 'super fast' speed is merely an exaggeration. And isn't that what movies are all about? Showing things which are exaggerated out of scale?

[Gotham]

http://chud.com/articles/articles/14653/1/EXCLUSIVE-IMAGE-RIPCORD-FROM-GI-JOE/Page1.html

Scratch CHUD from the list, then.

[Hunter Rider]

The pic isn't showing up for me.

[Neto Magnus]

so now we wait for Covergirl and CC?

[Gotham]

so now we wait for Covergirl and CC?

I think Covergirl and Zartan is our best bet. Don't think they'll blow Cobra this early in the game.

[The Avatar]

not much different than the leaked ones

[Golgo-13]

so now we wait for Covergirl and CC?

Covergirl's pic has already been released.

[Neto Magnus]

Covergirl's pic has already been released.

but not officially

[Golgo-13]

but not officially

Exactly.

[Kokoryu1]

Don't get your hopes up for Covergirl.She is the one and only Joe member who dies in the flick and she never gets to put on an accelerator suit.

[batboy99]

NOOOOOO! Thats not cool! i love covergirl! :(

[Heretic]

We shopuld all play a game!

Heres the deal...we keep naming stars that we would cast in a serious action movie BEFORE we would think of casting Marlon Wayans!

I'll start:

Bea Arthur

[anrrd_2]

We shopuld all play a game!

Heres the deal...we keep naming stars that we would cast in a serious action movie BEFORE we would think of casting Marlon Wayans!

I'll start:

Bea Arthur

:pal::applaud:lmao:

game over, you win!

[Kokoryu1]

We shopuld all play a game!

Heres the deal...we keep naming stars that we would cast in a serious action movie BEFORE we would think of casting Marlon Wayans!

I'll start:

Bea Arthur

Wilford Brimley as Hardball!

[Heretic]

Terri Schiavo as Crazylegs

[Kokoryu1]

Roddy Piper As Sgt. Slaughter

[anrrd_2]

Roddy Piper As Sgt. Slaughter

RODDY RODDY PIPER!!!!! HELLZ YEAH!!!!!:wow:

[Kokoryu1]

Randy Savage as Life Line

[Kokoryu1]

Walter Matthau as Bazooka

[Kokoryu1]

Jackie Gleason as Serpentor

[KINGT'CHALLA]

Wayans is supposedly a big Joe fan which is largely why he got the part. The thing is his part isn't "Ripcord" from any incarnation (comic/TV series), it's using the name of an existing character and giving it to a role specifically written for Wayans to be the generic comic relief.

If Wayans wanted to really contribute to this movie and the writers wanted to give him a role of an actual Joe that held some substance, they should have written him in as Stalker and dropped this whole Ripcord schtick altogether.
yeah! becasue ripcord is a white guy.

[Heretic]

Jessica Tandy as Billy

Our movie is turning out better than the real one!

[Kokoryu1]

Channing Tatum As Duke... Ooops Sorry! How About Richard Moll as Spirit?!

[Kokoryu1]

Jill Scott as Tunnel Rat

[anrrd_2]

chyna as lady jaye
http://www.carlson316wrestling.net/chynatribute/chyna2001.jpg
http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/joe/lj.gif

[Raiden]

chyna as lady jaye
http://www.carlson316wrestling.net/chynatribute/chyna2001.jpg
http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/joe/lj.gif

Bad casting idea. :down Lady Jaye doesn't look like an Amazon woman.

[Kokoryu1]

Haley Joe Osment as General Flagg

[Kokoryu1]

James Gandolfini as Nemesis Enforcer

[Kokoryu1]

Dustin Diamond as Roadpig

[Kokoryu1]

http://www.thegoldenera.net/images/hats/Clint%20Howard.jpgClint Howard as Falcon

[forsakenfilmz]

Good idea. But Ripcord is white. I do love the Wayans.

[anrrd_2]

Bad casting idea. :down Lady Jaye doesn't look like an Amazon woman.

i was joking....:yay:

[Hypestyle]

...has wayans done any press yet regarding this?