The Official JJ Abrams/Star Trek Thread

[Excel]

Stop thinking what your thinking.

"This is the man who had Lex being a KRPYTION! Krpyton didnt blow up! Suit in a cannister! a prophecy!"

Forget that nonsense, ok? YES-he got those WRONG. But as many here like to ignore, you can GET RID OF THAT. Its far easier to do away wit the bad than create the good, as Bryan Singer found out. Abrams script is OVERLOADED with Superman goodies.

-Smallville-uh....ok. How can I say this? ANY SUPERMAN WOULD HAVE GONE ****ING NUTS OVER THIS ****! Perfect. Couldn't have been written any better. Its serious yet funny; really makes you like Clark but it keeps you entertained instead of bored(like RETURNS couldnt).

-Saving Air Force One-it's just....ok this is how i readit-I am sitting there reading the words and the superman music begins to play in my head...AUTOMATICALLY! It's perfection of heroism! AND it is the film only big action scene featuring superman preforming a feat of stregnth.

-Lois-one huge complaint is that Lois is written as a huge ***** in RETURNS. Abrams ****ing NAILS lois lane character. She is exactly 110% how youd imagine her. During the interview with Superman, talking to Clark...he NAILED her..and her character being so well written not only makes it easier for the actress, but it makes SUPERMAN work better too! An example of lois's character...the interview between her & supes literally made me stop reading and go YES! because its THAT good:

Superman lifts Lois to ledge-peer down over the canyons of Metropolis-

SUPERMAN
Hold on.

LOIS
Yeah, no kidding-

-Clark/Daily Planet-like I said in Smallville, this script gives good and definite reasons to like and root for Superman, which is somethign RETURNS didn't do. RETURNS pretty much expected us to root for him because hes Superman. Here, we feel bad for him. It isn't RETURNS fele bad when its boring watching him mope around...this time it's FUNNY. The kind of moments you'll slightly laugh at but girls will say "awwwwwwwww".

-Luthor/the villains-YES in the online version hes a cia agent and kryptonion...but the rewrites changed him to non kryptonion LEXCORP OWNER! PROBLEM SOLVED+BONUS ADDED! BUT even here-he is written superbly. A sophisticated, cunning slimeball. His role is more like Ra's in BATMAN BEGINS as he isnt the physical villain.

-ACTION!-Incredible. Super fight superbly and cooly written that you know would be jaw droppingly exciting to see. The RETURNS airplane scene times 1000! How does that sound?!
-drama/romance

My proposal, basically....IF theres a reboot...this is the guy for the job.

http://latinoreview.com/scriptreview.php?id=11

"Wow, this is a damn good script! It reads quite well and is filled with vivid imagery that should be able to be translated to the big screen rather easily and realistically with today's computer technologies. J.J. Abrams does a great job of building a director's view right into the script. "

thats his second draft...which features

-LEXCOR LUTHOR!
-NO PROPHECY!
-KRYPTON EXPLDOES!

to be honest...the thought of those simply ideas being combined with what I read today...not only would make for a COLLOSAL 250 million+IN DA ****IN BAG *****! box office hit...but it would be one of th ebest comic book films EVER, not to mention most memorable film expireinces you'll ever see. With the right actors, it literally could be the star wars of a new generation. The good guys and bad guys are so clearly defined, so likeable or hateable...and their fights and interactions are nothing short of astounding.

W.B. you were right the first time. This is the way to go. Wait till 2011 and let him write and Direct it and youl be good to go.

*you can read it at SIMPLYSCRIPTS.COM search superman. read it all-dont stop at krypton, because smallvilles next and everybody will love it!

[Super Kal]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Abram's later rewrites were much better than his first one.

[bosef982]

Can anyone get Abram's later script rewrites?

[Excel]

there is only a review of his second...but the diaglogue/characters which he got so right remained untouched...all that changed was action was moved to metropolis instead of paris/seoul/egypt.

the good remains while the bad went away!

[matthooper]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Abram's later rewrites were much better than his first one.

Absolutely true. Plus, if Abram's Superman project had gone into production, more tweaks would have been made too. There are rumored script changes that we don't even know about.

We all quite possibly missed out on an amazing Superman film that would have had action and real drama. He actually brought life into a M:I franchise. I know it didn't do well at the B.O., but that was the Tom Cruise effect.

[batman44]

Can anyone get Abram's later script rewrites?

Agreed, I'll like to read them myself.

[Excel]

Absolutely true. Plus, if Abram's Superman project had gone into production, more tweaks would have been made too. There are rumored script changes that we don't even know about.

We all quite possibly missed out on an amazing Superman film that would have had action and real drama. He actually brought life into a M:I franchise. I know it didn't do well at the B.O., but that was the Tom Cruise effect.

mi3 was sick. easily best of the series.

[matthooper]

mi3 was sick. easily best of the series.

I thought I was the only one who loved it.

[fabman]

I really liked Mission: Impossible III but it doesn't top Brian De Palma's first M:I, which I just f'ing LOVE. Anyway, J.J. Abrams brought life into the franchise after John Woo had started to destroy it.

Also, J.J. created TV series such as Alias, LOST = AWESOME!

[NotFadeAway]

Ive actually had the pleasure of reading the last draft of Abrams script that was rewritten by J.J. and Josh Schwartz of the O.C., who also loves comic books.

[Excel]

what has changed and what did you think?

[The Shredder]

what has changed and what did you think?
What he said.

I've always felt the Abrams script had alot of potential to be something very memorable. For what J.J. got wrong with the first draft, he more than made up for it by correcting those instances and actually improving the script he was working on with later drafts. I particuarly loved the script review that Latino Review posted back a 3-4 years ago.

[Mike]

I think J J Abrams was the man to bring back the Superman franchise. Too bad they didnt go with him. I'm sorry but Superman Returns was so boring. Why in the hell would Bryan Singer make a supes film so uninteresting? It had a huge dated feel to it.

[Excel]

duh...it was retro...

[Mike]

It didnt work.......

[Excel]

yep. :(

[Wargod]

what has changed and what did you think?

Rumor has that


- Lex Luthor obtaining Kryptonian technology was a major storyline in the script. Fresh out of college, Luthor was driving cross country for his first job in Metropolis working at some local industrial coroporation, and while stopped in Smallville, witnessed the crashing of Superman's ship. After the Kents scooped up baby Clark as in every other incarnation, Lex found the ship and stole it for himself before Johnathan could return to secure it. This plays into the Kents telling Clark to never use his powers no matter what, and to proceed living like a normal human being, as they know there is someone out there who would be able to identify him. They don't put the fear of god into about his powers like the first draft, but it's made clear they want Clark to live like a normal human being. But anyway, Lex takes the ship, figures out how to adapt the Kryptonian technology, and then buys out his boss and turns the Metropolis Corporation into the Billion dollar company known as Lexcorp, which specializes in military arms development, sonar tech, news forms of stealth flight, etc etc. Not to mention he basically buys the city of Metropolis, including the Daily Planet. There are some funny lines with Perry White and Lois Lane concerning that fact. Lex would then use the Kryptonian technology to call upon the surving Kryptonians to come to Earth and defeat Superman. On a side note, the Lex in this script was a damn creep. Very unnerving almost. Before witnessing the rocket ship crash in Smallville, lex is pulled off to the side of the road, basically writing down notes for his own Mein Kampf. I geuss Luthor has some grand, Hitler like plan that would have played out over the course of the franchise. I really liked how Lex was done here. More on that Later.

- The plane sequence in Superman Returns was basically taken right out of the script. As described in the novel and from all the images and previews Ive seen, it is honestly a shot for shot copy, which isn't a bad thing. The plane sequence in the script was the one of the most stunning visuals Ive ever had in my head, and it should be know different in Superman Returns.

- Superman flying above the world and listening to people's problems, then flying around doing Super deeds was in the script, and might I say one of the best parts about it. Might not be shot for shot, but the idea's came for the scene in Superman Returns came from this script it would seem.

- The heavy emphasis on the romance was there, although with obviously WAAYYYY different storylines. It was the traditional Superman/Clark/Lois triangle, which wasn't a bad thing, not that the Superman Returns love story is bad either.

- The idea of going back to Krypton, with the difference being that Superman leaves for Krypton at the end of the film.

With this being said, it looks like Singer took some of the best concepts from this script and then combined them with his idea of vague history. While this script was amazing when it was pure Superman, it also had it's fair share of groans. Alot was changed about Krypton, first and foremost bieng that JOR-EL was the main villian, and it was he who blew up Krypton and reduced it to a giant chunk, while Lara sent Kal-El to Earth for the sole purpose of living a free life. Very Darth Vader like with Jor-El. Also, and your going to love this, Supermans has a half brother that was born to Jor-El and another kryptonian women, who of course is evil. This character basically took the place of Ty-Zor if your remember him. The prophecy is still there, but it actually is not about Superman. The prophecy is about some form of Ultimate Evil in the universe, basically being played up to be an intergalactic Satan, and I believe that it is implied to be Jor-El, but would have turned out to be Lex Luthor. The whole reason Superman goes back to Krypton is because he believes this ultimate evil is Jor-El and he must stop him, free the kryptonians, and protect Earth from another attack. They were really going for Jesus vs. Satan here by the end of the franchise.

You can truly see Schwartz influence with the character of Clark Kent. Instead of making him the stumblin, bumblin, fumblin, mumblin fool of old, Clark is a modern day nerd. Geeky and Sarcastic, this Clark made alot of comments that made me think Seth Cohen from the O.C. I will honestly say though that the interaction with Clark and Lois was funny as hell, and the best source of humor in the script, with Lois being the bossy ***** that she is. There were some very Luke Skywalker-esque moments with Clark while he was on the farm, I could just hear the Star Wars theme in my head. Also, Superman didn't die in this script when the other Kryptonians arrived, they placed him in some sort of paralysis and stuffed him away with the rocket ship that lara had sent him to Earth. After being stuffed away, a computer programming of Lara, think Bruce Timm Animated Series, melded with Superman's mind and told him everything, who he was, where he was from, the prophecy, everything, and then the ship freed him from the paralysis just in time to save the day. It was then that Superman took it upon himself to stop the prophecy.

Well, I would just like to say I am in no way endorsing this script, Im only passing along what I read and the influences I see. This movie would have been directed by a hack in McG and cast horribly, i.e. Beyonce Knowles as Lois Lane because McG is an idiot.

I remember that scene, but it was in the god awful 1st draft of the film. The one I was reffering to was the 3rd and I belive final draft that had, for one, cut the cannister out thank god, and it was no longer Air Force One. It was the space shuttle plane seen in Returns, and the ripping off of the wing was there as well.

In the FINAL draft, yes, Smallville had an influence, the Kents were written just the same, he was in love with Lana, his powers slowly developed, etc etc. Smallville was basically used as a template for how he grew up.

However, there was never any Clark interaction and no Chloe.

Well actually in the final draft, Lex was very human, but he possessed Kryptonian technology after stealing Superman's rocket ship, Krypton explodes for the most part except for a chunk which evil Jor-El rules, and there is no Superman death scene.

I understand what your saying, and I agree with the point your getting across, but....

In the 3rd Abrams draft, there is NO prophecy concerning Superman. He is left out of the equation there. He was sent by Lara to Earth simply to live, nothing more and he chooses to become Superman and has zero knowledge of the ultimate evil at that point. Its toward the end of the script, before the final big showdown, that Superman finds this information and he then chooses to be the person to try and stop it, believing it to be evil Jor-El on Krypton, but in the end I belive it would have Luthor as he was almost Hitler like in the script but with Kryptonian technology. So the prophecy is not about Superman, he just decides to be the person to do something about it, and this is after he had already made his debut as Superman.

And in the 3rd draft, they fixed a major problem from the 1st draft and actually skipped ahead like 6-9 months after Superman debuted to the time when Lex summons the evil Kryptonians using the technology, so Superman would have been saving people that entire time, as well as romancing Lois Lane.

In the 3rd draft, the Air Force One scene was eliminated and replaced with the space shuttle.

To whoever said it wasn't very Superman like to walk past the President to check on Lois, that little problem was taken care of.

And most of the Krypton scenes were rewritten with Jor-El as the villian along with the half brother of Superman. And it was Lara and her father, the character Predius, who shipped baby Kal-El to Earth.

Many people fail to understand that this draft never got publically reviewed.

The suit in the can thing is gone completely. There is actually a scene where Clark tries on all kinds of different suits, including the traditional colored suit which he ends up picking, a black suit, and red/white/blue suit. Clark loves the red/white/blue suit, but in a funny scene doesn't want to ripoff Captain America, his favorite superhero growing up. And yes they do feature young Clark reading Captain America. Also, Clark used the S shield because he was wrapped up in a blanket with the embelem on it, and it was the only known thing he had from the world he came from.

Yes, Kata-Zor and Ty-Zor were gone, with Jor-El taking the place of main villian. But Jor-El also had another son, although it wasn't with Lara, giving Superman a half brother who was loyal to Jor-El. Basically took the place of Ty-Zor.

[Excel]

wtf. that sucks.

[TaintedBlood]

haha..... i'm sorry, that sounds terrible. we would not be happy with Abrams' Superman... because it's not Superman. I appreciate what Singer was trying to do. To put it simply, he was trying to make the most serious superhero movie ever made. In doing so, he gave us a depressed Superman... a totally alien superbeing who is so completely human at the same time.

[Super Kal]

sounds pretty interesting, but I'm not liking the thought of Jor-El being the villain...

[Excel]

eh **** that; the second draft sounds sweet.

[The Shredder]

If that was the third draft, the second would certainly be my choice. Jor-El as the villain is crap. A new reinterpretation of the Superman franchise would be alright with me, but minus the WB's Smallville aspects please.

[Matt]

Keep in mind, Abrahams wrote his scripts prior to Peters being marginalized by WB, meaning he had to appease Jon Peters and his ridiculous demands. I could only imagine how good an Superman movie could be if Abrahams had been given the unprecedented level of control over the movie that Singer was given.

[Excel]

well, his script was all 110% original n he wrote in a month n he mad lex a krpytonion...:huh:

i think if he had a producer who knew wtf he was talking about, he cold have made a classic. his script is filled with those "movie magic moments" tha returns had NONE of.

[gimmen64]

This sounds interesting, SR was not the bomb that many are making it out to be. Singer made a Superman film that appeals to the masses not the fan boys. The only problem that I has with SR was the superkid and no villan to really step up to Superman. Now I look foward to the future of Superman, yet we must look to the past to not repeat the same mistakes. Superman has so much that is yet to be discovered and look foward to next flim. :super:

[superbaby]

Rumor has that
- Lex Luthor obtaining Kryptonian technology was a major storyline in the script. Fresh out of college, Luthor was driving cross country for his first job in Metropolis working at some local industrial coroporation, and while stopped in Smallville, witnessed the crashing of Superman's ship. After the Kents scooped up baby Clark as in every other incarnation, Lex found the ship and stole it for himself before Johnathan could return to secure it. This plays into the Kents telling Clark to never use his powers no matter what, and to proceed living like a normal human being, as they know there is someone out there who would be able to identify him. They don't put the fear of god into about his powers like the first draft, but it's made clear they want Clark to live like a normal human being. But anyway, Lex takes the ship, figures out how to adapt the Kryptonian technology, and then buys out his boss and turns the Metropolis Corporation into the Billion dollar company known as Lexcorp, which specializes in military arms development, sonar tech, news forms of stealth flight, etc etc. Not to mention he basically buys the city of Metropolis, including the Daily Planet. There are some funny lines with Perry White and Lois Lane concerning that fact. Lex would then use the Kryptonian technology to call upon the surving Kryptonians to come to Earth and defeat Superman. On a side note, the Lex in this script was a damn creep. Very unnerving almost. Before witnessing the rocket ship crash in Smallville, lex is pulled off to the side of the road, basically writing down notes for his own Mein Kampf. I geuss Luthor has some grand, Hitler like plan that would have played out over the course of the franchise. I really liked how Lex was done here. More on that Later.

- The plane sequence in Superman Returns was basically taken right out of the script. As described in the novel and from all the images and previews Ive seen, it is honestly a shot for shot copy, which isn't a bad thing. The plane sequence in the script was the one of the most stunning visuals Ive ever had in my head, and it should be know different in Superman Returns.

- Superman flying above the world and listening to people's problems, then flying around doing Super deeds was in the script, and might I say one of the best parts about it. Might not be shot for shot, but the idea's came for the scene in Superman Returns came from this script it would seem.

- The heavy emphasis on the romance was there, although with obviously WAAYYYY different storylines. It was the traditional Superman/Clark/Lois triangle, which wasn't a bad thing, not that the Superman Returns love story is bad either.

- The idea of going back to Krypton, with the difference being that Superman leaves for Krypton at the end of the film.

With this being said, it looks like Singer took some of the best concepts from this script and then combined them with his idea of vague history. While this script was amazing when it was pure Superman, it also had it's fair share of groans. Alot was changed about Krypton, first and foremost bieng that JOR-EL was the main villian, and it was he who blew up Krypton and reduced it to a giant chunk, while Lara sent Kal-El to Earth for the sole purpose of living a free life. Very Darth Vader like with Jor-El. Also, and your going to love this, Supermans has a half brother that was born to Jor-El and another kryptonian women, who of course is evil. This character basically took the place of Ty-Zor if your remember him. The prophecy is still there, but it actually is not about Superman. The prophecy is about some form of Ultimate Evil in the universe, basically being played up to be an intergalactic Satan, and I believe that it is implied to be Jor-El, but would have turned out to be Lex Luthor. The whole reason Superman goes back to Krypton is because he believes this ultimate evil is Jor-El and he must stop him, free the kryptonians, and protect Earth from another attack. They were really going for Jesus vs. Satan here by the end of the franchise.

You can truly see Schwartz influence with the character of Clark Kent. Instead of making him the stumblin, bumblin, fumblin, mumblin fool of old, Clark is a modern day nerd. Geeky and Sarcastic, this Clark made alot of comments that made me think Seth Cohen from the O.C. I will honestly say though that the interaction with Clark and Lois was funny as hell, and the best source of humor in the script, with Lois being the bossy ***** that she is. There were some very Luke Skywalker-esque moments with Clark while he was on the farm, I could just hear the Star Wars theme in my head. Also, Superman didn't die in this script when the other Kryptonians arrived, they placed him in some sort of paralysis and stuffed him away with the rocket ship that lara had sent him to Earth. After being stuffed away, a computer programming of Lara, think Bruce Timm Animated Series, melded with Superman's mind and told him everything, who he was, where he was from, the prophecy, everything, and then the ship freed him from the paralysis just in time to save the day. It was then that Superman took it upon himself to stop the prophecy.

Well, I would just like to say I am in no way endorsing this script, Im only passing along what I read and the influences I see. This movie would have been directed by a hack in McG and cast horribly, i.e. Beyonce Knowles as Lois Lane because McG is an idiot.

I remember that scene, but it was in the god awful 1st draft of the film. The one I was reffering to was the 3rd and I belive final draft that had, for one, cut the cannister out thank god, and it was no longer Air Force One. It was the space shuttle plane seen in Returns, and the ripping off of the wing was there as well.

In the FINAL draft, yes, Smallville had an influence, the Kents were written just the same, he was in love with Lana, his powers slowly developed, etc etc. Smallville was basically used as a template for how he grew up.

However, there was never any Clark interaction and no Chloe.

Well actually in the final draft, Lex was very human, but he possessed Kryptonian technology after stealing Superman's rocket ship, Krypton explodes for the most part except for a chunk which evil Jor-El rules, and there is no Superman death scene.

I understand what your saying, and I agree with the point your getting across, but....

In the 3rd Abrams draft, there is NO prophecy concerning Superman. He is left out of the equation there. He was sent by Lara to Earth simply to live, nothing more and he chooses to become Superman and has zero knowledge of the ultimate evil at that point. Its toward the end of the script, before the final big showdown, that Superman finds this information and he then chooses to be the person to try and stop it, believing it to be evil Jor-El on Krypton, but in the end I belive it would have Luthor as he was almost Hitler like in the script but with Kryptonian technology. So the prophecy is not about Superman, he just decides to be the person to do something about it, and this is after he had already made his debut as Superman.

And in the 3rd draft, they fixed a major problem from the 1st draft and actually skipped ahead like 6-9 months after Superman debuted to the time when Lex summons the evil Kryptonians using the technology, so Superman would have been saving people that entire time, as well as romancing Lois Lane.

In the 3rd draft, the Air Force One scene was eliminated and replaced with the space shuttle.

To whoever said it wasn't very Superman like to walk past the President to check on Lois, that little problem was taken care of.

And most of the Krypton scenes were rewritten with Jor-El as the villian along with the half brother of Superman. And it was Lara and her father, the character Predius, who shipped baby Kal-El to Earth.

Many people fail to understand that this draft never got publically reviewed.

The suit in the can thing is gone completely. There is actually a scene where Clark tries on all kinds of different suits, including the traditional colored suit which he ends up picking, a black suit, and red/white/blue suit. Clark loves the red/white/blue suit, but in a funny scene doesn't want to ripoff Captain America, his favorite superhero growing up. And yes they do feature young Clark reading Captain America. Also, Clark used the S shield because he was wrapped up in a blanket with the embelem on it, and it was the only known thing he had from the world he came from.

Yes, Kata-Zor and Ty-Zor were gone, with Jor-El taking the place of main villian. But Jor-El also had another son, although it wasn't with Lara, giving Superman a half brother who was loyal to Jor-El. Basically took the place of Ty-Zor.
wow, that's fantastic and it has set up the whole structure nicely for the sequels. all the main characters are getting the right treatment and respect. wow, it could be an excellent modern superman movie...

too bad, WB dished away this script and went for singer's superkid... and they are still in the square one, losing the direction and don't know where to go...

[Angeloz]

I'm very glad none of these were made from what I've read (the first script and review of the second plus the stuff here). And they improved it by having Jor-El be a villain? And people complain about "Superman Returns" not respecting the comics? Also evil Kryptonians flying around the Earth. Hmm sounds familiar.

Yep very glad. Even more so for "Superman Returns". That it was made and I got to see it.

Angeloz

[El Payaso]

wow, that's fantastic and it has set up the whole structure nicely for the sequels. all the main characters are getting the right treatment and respect. wow, it could be an excellent modern superman movie...

too bad, WB dished away this script and went for singer's superkid... and they are still in the square one, losing the direction and don't know where to go...

Yeah, wow. Jor-El having another son and wow, he being the villiain. Why couldn't we have this instead? Oh the tradition. Oh the right treatment and respect. Oh some members' consistency.

[Matt]

This sounds interesting, SR was not the bomb that many are making it out to be. Singer made a Superman film that appeals to the masses not the fan boys.

Really? I thought the box office proved the exact opposite. Singer made an overblown Reeve/Donner tribute that turned off the masses.

[Super Kal]

Yeah, wow. Jor-El having another son and wow, he being the villiain. Why couldn't we have this instead? Oh the tradition. Oh the right treatment and respect. Oh some members' consistency.
better than Singer's love letter...

at least with Abrams, we got something original.

[Matt]

I still say a lot of Abraham's aspects were done by the order of McG (who was attached to direct at the time) and Peters. Had Abrahams been given the control Singer had we would have an awesome Superman movie.

[SuperDaniel]

Wow...everything was going good till...Jor-el is evil and he returns to Krypton...I just hate it...Thank god it wasnt made. Theres no need to change the history of Superman....Is it so hard to keep faithfull tho what has been there for 70 years?

I`m going to write a script to show how a Superman movie is supposed to be made...

[ck51100]

And we have now done a complete circle. Back to the Abrams draft? Seriously? This is the same script that was BASHED for months and months on these boards a few years back and now we want it back?

[Super Kal]

we're talking about the rewrites... yes, the original was horrible, but the rewrites that he did were incredible.

[TaintedBlood]

at least with Abrams, we got something original.

and you would of gotten a lot more 'originality' in the ways of costuming --- you've all seen the McG conceptual art. Is that the Superman you'd want? Come on... Singer actually defied the odds with SR by not making a travesty. Jor-El as the villian? That'd of been unrepairable, the effects of which would of seriously tarnished the character for decades. A whole generation would insist that Jor-El be bad. What kind of position would that of put the comics in?

[ck51100]

we're talking about the rewrites... yes, the original was horrible, but the rewrites that he did were incredible.

That is just the thing.....this script went through 5 or 6 rewrites and two directors trying to get it made. You can only rewrite something so many times until you have to realize that it just isn't that good. It wasn't good enough then. I doubt we are going to get anything good now. There is a lot of stuff in that script that sucks. The whole Krypton doesn't explode, Jor-El doesn't die stuff. Listen I know that Returns stunk. I agree with that and I want a good Superman movie like everyone else, I just think that we need to go in a totally different direction. I just would hate for WB to waste another few years on that script.

[Super Kal]

STM went through many rewrites before it became what it is today... keep that in mind.

[Angeloz]

Conceptual art? I think I've seen the Burton black suit. I'm not sure about any other version.

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

the black suit was in Burton's vision, not Abrams

[TaintedBlood]

what amazes me is that people expect WB to reboot. Why? SR was an origin story. The franchise is established. WB was obviously uncomfortible with Abrams changes. They didn't want anything dramatic. That's why they gave Singer and his Donner love-fest the instant green light. Now that Singer has set the ground rules for the franchise, any director can come and play in the sand without the risk of seriously screwing things up (i.e. Jor-El bad, Lex Kryptoian, suit in canister, etc.) WB is happy. And that leads me to my next point... there's no reason why WB wouldn't offer Singer the helm of SR2. Firing him would lead to instant negativity. WB has had enough of that over the last 15 years. Now, maybe Singer will decline... the likely scenerio....

[Super Kal]

SR was NOT an origin story...it was a "vague sequel"

[Angeloz]

the black suit was in Burton's vision, not Abrams

If that was aimed at me? 'Cos I stated it in the post. But was that aimed at others?

Angeloz

[TaintedBlood]

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/286/0/6/Mc_G__s_Superman_Movie_Suit__by_BroHawk.jpg

http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/286/7/0/Superman_Movie_Suit_color_by_BroHawk.jpg

i guess you guys would be happy with the red though, eh? haha... just teasing...

[Angeloz]

SR was NOT an origin story...it was a "vague sequel"

Also a reintroduction film. :oldrazz:

Angeloz

[TaintedBlood]

Also a reintroduction film. :oldrazz:

Angeloz


i love that SR coined the term 'vague sequel' (though I count the The Ninth Configuration as a vague sequel.) This thread is getting off topic.... back to FlyBy!

[Super Kal]

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/286/0/6/Mc_G__s_Superman_Movie_Suit__by_BroHawk.jpg

http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/286/7/0/Superman_Movie_Suit_color_by_BroHawk.jpg

i guess you guys would be happy with the red though, eh? haha... just teasing...
this is McG's suit design... not Abrams

[Angeloz]

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/286/0/6/Mc_G__s_Superman_Movie_Suit__by_BroHawk.jpg

http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/286/7/0/Superman_Movie_Suit_color_by_BroHawk.jpg

i guess you guys would be happy with the red though, eh? haha... just teasing...

Is that it? Really? With no outer underwear or briefs? I take it there were loud complaints? I'll admit the "S" symbol is definately too big for my taste. I'm not sure the boots could look good in real life unless they were very careful. It's interesting to say the least. I'm sure some might like the colours but not the changes. :D

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

If that was aimed at me? 'Cos I stated it in the post. But was that aimed at others?

Angeloz
I dont know... I'm too tired to remember

[Angeloz]

this is McG's suit design... not Abrams

Have you seen it? Got a picture of it then if so? I'm curious.

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

I haven't, but just read the review of the rewrites... it mentions the classic suit and a red, white and blue suit.

[TaintedBlood]

well abrams, being the writer, never had a suit of his own. His would be McG's, the director he was writing and developing the script for.

[Showtime]

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/286/0/6/Mc_G__s_Superman_Movie_Suit__by_BroHawk.jpg

http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs12/i/2006/286/7/0/Superman_Movie_Suit_color_by_BroHawk.jpg



Looking at that again, I actually like it.

[Super Kal]

well abrams, being the writer, never had a suit of his own. His would be McG's, the director he was writing and developing the script for.
you can't say that, because you have no idea what he wanted.

[Super Kal]

Looking at that again, I actually like it.
this was actually the original...
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7981/supes2lx4.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supes2lx4.jpg)

[Showtime]

Dig em both now, time for a change!

[TaintedBlood]

you can't say that, because you have no idea what he wanted.

it doesn't matter what he wanted... he was the writer... absolutely no say in the visual design of the film... none. therefore, since his script could of only been used by McG.... this is the Abrams suit by default

[ck51100]

STM went through many rewrites before it became what it is today... keep that in mind.

Yes it did. But keep in mind the rewrites to Superman: The Movie involved changes to tone not necessarily story. When Mario Puzo wrote the original story it was pretty much what you see on screen with the exception that Clark was a TV news anchor (as was the case in the 1970's comics) and there were four Kryptonian villians not three. Robert Benton and David Newman were brought in to turn Puzo's "novel" into a screenplay. David Newman's wife Leslie was brought in to help with Lois Lane's dialogue. The tone of the movie was very tongue in cheek featuring a Lex Luthor that ate kleenex as a nervous tick and things like that. Tom Mankiewicz was then brought in to do a rewrite. The main thing that Mank did in his rewrite was to change the tone. The framework of the story didn't change. He merely changed the dialogue and cleaned up elements to make it less campy. The problems with the Abrams script aren't tone. They are actual story elements. I can live with the Luthor steals Kryptonian technology to build his empire. That is fine. I will even live with the suit in a can. But when you go and change something like "Krypton Does Not Explode.....Jor-El is still alive" that is a major story point. To be honest with you I just don't see what the logic is in going back to a project that was thrown out by WB five years ago.
SR was a huge let down. I would just hate to see the WB waste more time and money on a sub par Superman movie.
Listen I was one of the loudest voice for J.J. Abrams Superman starring Henry Cavill as Superman and Mia Kirshner as Lois Lane (Yeah I've been around that long) I just think we need to move on.

[Angeloz]

I haven't, but just read the review of the rewrites... it mentions the classic suit and a red, white and blue suit.

White? I know you are accurate in that description.

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

it doesn't matter what he wanted... he was the writer... absolutely no say in the visual design of the film... none. therefore, since his script could of only been used by McG.... this is the Abrams suit by default
oh, okay, yeah that makes perfect sense... :whatever:

[TaintedBlood]

then again, Abrams could of hated the direction McG was going but contractualy obligated to deliver rewrites. i'm surprised that Abrams has yet to say anything of his time working on Flyby and on Returns for that matter. He's set at Paramount so he wouldn't have to worry about pissing off anybody at WB. What would he care?

[Super Kal]

maybe his reputation... he IS writing the new Star Trek film...

[Angeloz]

The future? And getting work later on?

Angeloz

[TaintedBlood]

maybe his reputation... he IS writing the new Star Trek film...

yeah but you'd think the powers-to-be at paramount would love for him to stab at WB's biggest franchise. he's probably smarter than that.

[TaintedBlood]

The future? And getting work later on?

Angeloz

yeah... now that i think of it, Abrams' name will be on the top of the list to replace Singer if Singer declines. Wonder what kind of deal he has at paramount. no different than singer's deal at fox, to be sure. look how that ended. :)

[Super Kal]

I honestly don't think companies are so cutthroat with each other like that... It would also make him look like an unappreciative person.

[Excel]

Really? I thought the box office proved the exact opposite. Singer made an overblown Reeve/Donner tribute that turned off the masses.

i was thinking the same.

[Angeloz]

Like "Batman Begins" and "X-Men". ;)

Angeloz

[Justice Bringer]

Too many things irked me about all the versions off the Abrams script; Jor-El the villian, originally Krypton not being destroyed, Lara and Martha being raped, Lex the Kryptonian, Jor-El's suicide, Lois growing up with Clark in Smallville, Superman suit in a can, Super poop, matrix moves etc

If not for the intervention of AiCN; I fear what we would have got.

[Matt]

Like "Batman Begins" and "X-Men". ;)

Angeloz

:whatever: I am so sick of that argument as it doesn't apply at all. Batman Begins and X-men both had limited demographics and their respective studios were aware of that. Superman Returns however was meant to be the tentpole movie of WB. It was meant to be their Spider-man. Singer failed to appeal to his demographic. Nolan did not.

[Angeloz]

Batman in the eighties made more than Superman did in the seventies (more screens and inflation) I believe. I could be wrong. Though if true how come one gets bigger expectations than the other?

Angeloz

[Justice Bringer]

Looking at that again, I actually like it.

I dont like it as a suit to introduce Superman though. The design seems more like something Brandon would wear in his 40s if hes playing Supes still by then. Maybe the costume could evolve into something like that over time.

[Matt]

Batman in the eighties made more than Superman did in the seventies (more screens and inflation) I believe. I could be wrong. Though if true how come one gets bigger expectations than the other?

Angeloz


1) The 80s were a different time. The ammount of cultural changes since then is overwhelming. Can you really see parents flocking to take their kids to the Burton Batman now-a-days.

2) Nolan's Batman was inherrantly darker, it was advertised as such. It was advertised to an older demographic.

[Angeloz]

Still has toys and other stuff for kids. :oldrazz:

Angeloz

[TaintedBlood]

Batman in the eighties made more than Superman did in the seventies (more screens and inflation) I believe. I could be wrong. Though if true how come one gets bigger expectations than the other?

Angeloz

yeah, both revitalized long dead/embarrassing franchises. both had similar marketing and hype. Just like BB, SR gets critical praise, makes more money than BB, but is considered a colossus bust. Go figure. A large part of it has to do with SR's bloated budget but, in hindsight, it wasn't that bad. S3 and POTC3 both ran up higher budgets (I believe) and it's still up for debate as to whether the cost of the aborted Superman films was included in SR's budget. Who knows...

[Justice Bringer]

He has a point. I think what happened is the studio expected a Spider-man like demo for Superman while Bryan Singer wanted a Batman Begins-like demo to win over older audiences and critics mainly. If they keep the budget low enough; that demo could remain for the sequel but families/kids are the fuel that keep the big budget blockbusters like Spiderman and Pirates alive.

[Angeloz]

He has a point. I think what happened is the studio expected a Spider-man like demo for Superman while Bryan Singer wanted a Batman Begins-like demo to win over older audiences and critics mainly. If they keep the budget low enough; that demo could remain for the sequel but families/kids are the fuel that keep the big budget blockbusters like Spiderman and Pirates alive.

I liked both but I'm not a typical viewer. As has been stated though Spider-Man is in a league of its own these days when it comes to comic films. Though why are we discussing box office in a script thread? ;)

Angeloz

[TaintedBlood]

1)
2) Nolan's Batman was inherrantly darker, it was advertised as such. It was advertised to an older demographic.

I agree with the advertising... it's just funny that SR ended up being the more mature/serious and one could say darker film. Only one of the movies had a homicidal 7 year old in it. Nor was Batman shot in the eye, mugged, stabbed, thrown off a cliff, nearly drowned, and in a comma. All in all, the peril was much greater in SR. the airplane rescue was intense, even the haters agree with that, and I'm betting even the haters found themselves holding their breath during the trapped in the sinking boat scene. come on, that was awesome.

[Angeloz]

Wasn't there a kid threatened or something when there was fear gas? It's been awhile since I've seen it.

Angeloz

[Justice Bringer]

They were both dark films that werent anywhere near kid-friendly; WB seems to be on track with making Shazam and Flash their kiddie popcorn flick franchaises.

[El Payaso]

Really? I thought the box office proved the exact opposite. Singer made an overblown Reeve/Donner tribute that turned off the masses.

It might not have filled the suits' pockets but 200+ millions is hardly turn off masses.

better than Singer's love letter...

Never thought you'd have the nerve to openly admit you hold no respect for the character of Superman just to achieve bashing SR once again.

at least with Abrams, we got something original.

You want original? Try Burton's Superman.

And ten try Superman's son, something never made before. Less twisted and ridiculous than having Jor-El as the main villiain, a concept you like so much.

[TaintedBlood]

flash.... sigh... i was really looking forward to goyer's take on the character. instead, we'll get exactly what Justice said: kiddie popcorn. It could of been cool.

[C. Lee]

I agree with the advertising... it's just funny that SR ended up being the more mature/serious and one could say darker film. Only one of the movies had a homicidal 7 year old in it. Nor was Batman shot in the eye, mugged, stabbed, thrown off a cliff, nearly drowned, and in a comma. All in all, the peril was much greater in SR. the airplane rescue was intense, even the haters agree with that, and I'm betting even the haters found themselves holding their breath during the trapped in the sinking boat scene. come on, that was awesome.

Uh...did you watch Batman Begins? He was beaten, shot at, had swordfights, fistfights, was gassed, set on fire, dropped from high building, had a burning house dropped on him......yeah, he had it easy.

A child defending his mother from being beaten is not in my opinion HOMICIDAL.

[Lightning54SC]

I agree with the advertising... it's just funny that SR ended up being the more mature/serious and one could say darker film. Only one of the movies had a homicidal 7 year old in it. Nor was Batman shot in the eye, mugged, stabbed, thrown off a cliff, nearly drowned, and in a comma. All in all, the peril was much greater in SR. the airplane rescue was intense, even the haters agree with that, and I'm betting even the haters found themselves holding their breath during the trapped in the sinking boat scene. come on, that was awesome.

to be honest i m not a hater nor am i fan of SR but the airplane scene was ehhhh pretty good.... and the boat scene was boring... i kept looking at my watch after the bank scene seriosuly... and i still do when i watch the film

[TaintedBlood]

Uh...did you watch Batman Begins? He was beaten, shot at, had swordfights, fistfights, was gassed, set on fire, dropped from high building, had a burning house dropped on him......yeah, he had it easy.

A child defending his mother from being beaten is not in my opinion HOMICIDAL.


woah.... i need to get more sleep at night... ha

[Angeloz]

You forgot he also lost his parents C.Lee. ;)

Also wasn't there the gun and wanting to kill someone?

Angeloz

[TaintedBlood]

alright... alright.... fine!!!! they are equally mature movies!

[C. Lee]

You forgot he also lost his parents C.Lee. ;)

Also wasn't there the gun and wanting to kill someone?

Angeloz

I left out several things for brevity...like car crashes, train wrecks, falling into freezing water, being in Chinese jail, purposefully ticking off many people who like you to save their lives but being unable to tell them that.....

[Angeloz]

Comforted in bed with Superman. ;) :oldrazz:

Angeloz

[Lightning54SC]

what about being drugged? CLee thatw as another one you missed :p

[Angeloz]

He said gassed. Though beware halucinogens they stuff you up. ;)

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

Never thought you'd have the nerve to openly admit you hold no respect for the character of Superman just to achieve bashing SR once again.
I have more respect for Superman than you realize...

if you can't see that, then you have a problem.

[Excel]

El Payaso misunderstood...singer love letter was not a love letter to superman...so i dont know he would be disrespectiing the character.

Singers love letter was to RICHARD DONNER & HIS MOVIE

which is why people complain, though I remember back circa 2004 when SUPERMAN-V.COM and VOICE! were the big superman fan sites, and VOICE revealed Singer wanted Richard Donner to produce and returns would be a lot like donners film...and the fans were thrilled:dry:

[The Shredder]

I suppose before Batman Begins, if it was announced that WB's 5th Batman movie would be alot like that of Burton's 1989 effort, fans would have approved in much the same way that they did when they initially heard that the new Superman film would be much akin to that of the original Donner film.

Thankfully, we recieved a film in Batman Begins that was unique, clearly different than previous Batman films, and last but certainly not least, a complete reboot of the franchise. Which is exactly what Superman deserved.

[Lightning54SC]

I have more respect for Superman than you realize...

if you can't see that, then you have a problem.

i agree, just because you and me dont agree with singers vision doesn tmean we should crucified... oh wait did nt they try that in superman!? :oldrazz: :whatever:

[true316]

1) The 80s were a different time. The ammount of cultural changes since then is overwhelming. Can you really see parents flocking to take their kids to the Burton Batman now-a-days.

2) Nolan's Batman was inherrantly darker, it was advertised as such. It was advertised to an older demographic.

Hi Matt! I still think you are off with this arguement.

1) Can I really see parents taking their kids to see a Burton style Batman or even a Nolan style Batman? Absolutely. Part of my job involves working with kids. I remember meeting with a kid (six years old) who was constantly wearing his BB t-shirt and talking about how much he loved the movie (and how many BB action figures he had). One thing to keep in mind, is that kids these days seem capable of handling more in terms of movies. Would the Harry Potter movies have succeeded as children's entertainment in the eighties? Probably not. But today's kids (and parents) seem just fine with it.

2) And I guess that older demographic made great use of the mountains of BB action figures, BB children's t-shirts, bedsheets, etc. :oldrazz: Batman is a darker character for sure, but he is still the good guy. Ask yourself, which character currently has a Saturday morning cartoon dedicated solely to him? It doesn't matter if that cartoon is nothing like the movies. It still works as a half hour advertisement to go see the next Batman movie.

A lot of Superman fans seem offended by the idea that other people (or kids) might like Batman or Spider-Man more than Superman. My question is, why? What's wrong with that? I say let people like whoever they want. I think domestically, Batman passed Superman in terms of popularity a long time ago (even with kids). And that's okay. Superman still has kids that like him (just not enough to get him to $400 million domestic :cwink: ).

[Excel]

batmans cool, but people like some...MARVEL....character more....im pissed :o !!!!!!


:p

[buggs0268]

I agree with the advertising... it's just funny that SR ended up being the more mature/serious and one could say darker film. Only one of the movies had a homicidal 7 year old in it. Nor was Batman shot in the eye, mugged, stabbed, thrown off a cliff, nearly drowned, and in a comma. All in all, the peril was much greater in SR. the airplane rescue was intense, even the haters agree with that, and I'm betting even the haters found themselves holding their breath during the trapped in the sinking boat scene. come on, that was awesome.
I didn't. And when I saw the cheap effect of him standing on the set and just holding onto it to lift it up, while the set came out of the water, I thought "240 mill for a budget and all they could think of was him standing on it and just lifting that part of the set out of the water tank on a gimble? What the hell? This is a guy who can fly and lift the boat up. Hell, at least they tried in Superman 3 to make him saving stuff seem super.

[Super Kal]

neither did I... I couldn't care any less about what happened to that family.

[Excel]

I wouldnt go that far; i didnt want em to die.

[superbaby]

Yeah, wow. Jor-El having another son and wow, he being the villiain. Why couldn't we have this instead? Oh the tradition. Oh the right treatment and respect. Oh some members' consistency.
who care about jor-el. he is just a minor character. the main characters are superman, clark kent, lois lane and lex luthor. as long as they are treated right, the story will flow by itself and the foundation will be very solid. Unlike SR, who got all the main characters **** up.
suck you, singer, getting superman in square one again!!!

[Angeloz]

Wel it's slightly different if his father is evil as opposed to good (Jor-El). Not mentioning other stuff.

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

I wouldnt go that far; i didnt want em to die.
come on excel... it's Lois's family... of course they're not going to die. that's why it was so boring. everything was so unglamorous

[Angeloz]

You need anti-cynical drugs. Though I don't know of any. Have you tried being hypnotised into thinking like a child then watching the film?

Just kidding.

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

even as a child I wouldn't of liked how dark the film was...

[superbaby]

Wel it's slightly different if his father is evil as opposed to good (Jor-El). Not mentioning other stuff.

Angeloz

jor-el, I care the least in a superman movie. if i got to choose, i hope superman is more related to the kents.

again, as i mentioned, as long as clark kent, superman, lois lane and lex luthor are treated right, the story will be on the right track which was the case in JJ abram revision. again prove that WB is a brunch of idiots.

[Angeloz]

So Lex should be a Kryptonian CIA agent or Hitler like character? I still say I don't like evil Jor-El.

Angeloz

[Excel]

come on excel... it's Lois's family... of course they're not going to die. that's why it was so boring. everything was so unglamorous

we knew they wouldnt die; but superman needs someone to save. thats why hes a hero.

[Excel]

on a side note; i just realized how damn close they came to making this into a huge blockbuster film; they offered it michael bay. had bay accepted abrams script....holy **** that woulda been huge!

[Angeloz]

And that's important? 'Cos it might not have been good.

Angeloz

[El Payaso]

come on excel... it's Lois's family... of course they're not going to die. that's why it was so boring. everything was so unglamorous

And it's Superman, he's not going to lose the fight. Why do we bother in watching the movies huh.

And I bet Batman wins in TDK so I guess it's uninteresting. Fantastic argument.

Now when it was suggested that Jason was Superman's son I was... are they really giving him a son or will they un-do everything in the last second as in STM and SII?

[Super Kal]

the kid - an unnecessary plot.

take away the kid and Richard, it's basically the same as watching STM... definitely a love letter. Singer doesn't know how to think outside the box.

[El Payaso]

who care about jor-el. he is just a minor character.

I really should warn you about ridiculize yourself. I will not though.

[El Payaso]

the kid - an unnecessary plot.

take away the kid and Richard, it's basically the same as watching STM... definitely a love letter. Singer doesn't know how to think outside the box.

So if you remove the innovation then it's not that innovative. Brainstorming in progress.

[Super Kal]

if the only innovative thing Singer can do is the kid, than he shouldn't of directed this movie.

[El Payaso]

Any actual reason to state that?

[Super Kal]

yeah, the kid... take away the kid, it's STM all over again

singer and his stupid love letter...

[Angeloz]

I don't remember a bald tattooed piano playing heavy in the first film. ;)

Angeloz

[Super Kal]

damn, so many better directors... well, I see why WB can't think up of anything original either.

[Angeloz]

Naked flying? :oldrazz:

It'd end the suit debate. :D

Angeloz

[Retroman]

I thought Abrams did a fantastic job with MI3.Makes me wonder what could have been had he been able to direct his own script instead of McG and Ratner.

[El Payaso]

yeah, the kid... take away the kid, it's STM all over again

singer and his stupid love letter...

I see.

If you don't have or can't articulate an actual reason, you could have said so. Copying and pasting some loose lines from yourself won't make it.

http://www.gta-series.com/it/lcstories/eastereggs/lionelhutz.jpg

"Well, your Honor, we've got plenty of recycled lines from the above posts, those are kinds of evidence."

[GreenKToo]

I tell ya, I'm really not sold yet on a sequel by singer. When I see who the villain is and what sort of story it has, then i'll get excited.
As of right now, it wouldnt hurt my feelings if he left.if the only innovative thing Singer can do is the kid, than he shouldn't of directed this movie.

[Super Kal]

I see.

If you don't have or can't articulate an actual reason, you could have said so. Copying and pasting some loose lines from yourself won't make it.

http://www.gta-series.com/it/lcstories/eastereggs/lionelhutz.jpg

"Well, your Honor, we've got plenty of recycled lines from the above posts, those are kinds of evidence."
you just love to annoy, don't you?

[superbaby]

So Lex should be a Kryptonian CIA agent or Hitler like character? I still say I don't like evil Jor-El.

Angeloz
read carefully pls.
i said clark kent, superman lois lane and LEX LUTHOR!

[superbaby]

on a side note; i just realized how damn close they came to making this into a huge blockbuster film; they offered it michael bay. had bay accepted abrams script....holy **** that woulda been huge!
what?! :wow:

too bad, it didn't happen. hijacked by the visionless singer... :csad:

[superbaby]

I really should warn you about ridiculize yourself. I will not though.
sorry, in a superman movie, i don't give a damn to jor-el. no jor-el the best.

[El Payaso]

sorry, in a superman movie, i don't give a damn to jor-el.

Man, I would have loved to accuse you of not actually knowing of/caring for the Superman's universe representation. Now you go and prove me right.

EDIT: Gah, this is so hard to say!... but... thanks.

[Excel]

jor-els very important to superman universe!

[Showtime]

Unfortunately Jorel most likely won't appear in a sequel. Which further drives me to push the Eradicator.

[Matt]

I see the point Superbaby is trying to make. At least I think. I think he just wants Jor-El in a smaller role, and I agree. I forget who said it, but they were right when they said Clark should learn his morals and values off his parents (ma and pa Kent) not a hologram of his long dead father.

[El Payaso]

jor-els very important to superman universe!

I mean, please.

Even if you think it's a minor character, making him the villiain implies 1) making him not a minor character and 2) showing you don't know anything about Jor-El.

After being ok with having an evil Jor-El, saying it's wrong for Superman to become a father sounds pretty off base.

[Showtime]

I see the point Superbaby is trying to make. At least I think. I think he just wants Jor-El in a smaller role, and I agree. I forget who said it, but they were right when they said Clark should learn his morals and values off his parents (ma and pa Kent) not a hologram of his long dead father.

Well I believe that is what is going to happen in a sequel, without Pa Kent of course. I still believe that the Eradicator could fill that void in regards to knowledge of his Kryptonian heritage.

[TaintedBlood]

yeah, SR2 will compare Jason's relationship with Richard to Clark's relationship with Pa Kent. Eradicator would be an ideal villain for that storyline by emphasizing Clark's alien heritage... heck, Eradicator could view Jason as kryptonian and take aim at Richard (and Lois) for being an 'alien influence.' That'd make for an awkward revelation...

[Showtime]

I think I am with you on the heritage, but according to the background, the Eradicator would be after Jason because he is not pure blood.

[Matt]

yeah, SR2 will compare Jason's relationship with Richard to Clark's relationship with Pa Kent. Eradicator would be an ideal villain for that storyline by emphasizing Clark's alien heritage... heck, Eradicator could view Jason as kryptonian and take aim at Richard (and Lois) for being an 'alien influence.' That'd make for an awkward revelation...

A lot of people make that assumption. I'm not sure Singer respects the Pa Kent/Clark relationship enough to do it. It seems like Singer's main influence is Donner. In Donner, the main driving factor for Clark is hologram Jor-El. I see a more likely route of Clark taking the Jor-El role in Jason's life.

[Showtime]

Don't say that out loud!

[Matt]

Don't say that out loud!

Hehe why not?

[Seen]

I find it kind if ironic that before M:i:III Abrams was just considered a good TV writer and so giving him the reigns of writing Superman seemed like no big deal, but to think that he could direct a big-budget blockbuster I'm sure seemed almost shocking back in 2002.

Now, with one under his belt, he's signed to direct and produce one of the biggest movies of next year and hopefully set to revive a franchise in Star Trek. I kind of bet that WB is sort of kicking themselves, realizing that they could have achieved the same thing with Abrams? Perhaps if they took the chance and offered him to direct his script, much like Paramount did with both M:i:III and now Star Trek, versus getting mediocre directors like Brett Ratner, McG and Michael Bay to coerce onboard, they could have had a winner?

And by no means am I disrespecting Superman Returns. I personally loved that movie. But it does pose an interesting argument.

[Qwerty©]

A lot of people make that assumption. I'm not sure Singer respects the Pa Kent/Clark relationship enough to do it. It seems like Singer's main influence is Donner. In Donner, the main driving factor for Clark is hologram Jor-El. I see a more likely route of Clark taking the Jor-El role in Jason's life.I disagree. The Donner films shows he considers both to be important.

He is conflicted as to whether to turn back time, hearing the voices of both father figures in his head.

Singer in SR would also connect with the adoption angle because he himself was adopted.

But you're right, Superman will take the Jor-El role, I think. Richard and Lois are Ma and Pa Kent. Superman is Jor-El, because he can help Jason deal with his kryptonian heritage.

[superbaby]

I disagree. The Donner films shows he considers both to be important.

He is conflicted as to whether to turn back time, hearing the voices of both father figures in his head.

Singer in SR would also connect with the adoption angle because he himself was adopted.

But you're right, Superman will take the Jor-El role, I think. Richard and Lois are Ma and Pa Kent. Superman is Jor-El, because he can help Jason deal with his kryptonian heritage.
see, the kid will be the focus.

[Showtime]

Hehe why not?

I don't want to see Jason at the FOS putting crystals in to talk to Superman about his super-acne.

[Qwerty©]

see, the kid will be the focus.
Is that a bad thing?

[C. Lee]

Is that a bad thing?

I think to most people it would be. One of the biggest complaints I've heard about SR on these boards and out in the real world....is the inclusion of Jason. The way they went about introducing him, just seems to have hit very many people the wrong way.

[Qwerty©]

I think to most people it would be. One of the biggest complaints I've heard about SR on these boards and out in the real world....is the inclusion of Jason. The way they went about introducing him, just seems to have hit very many people the wrong way.Most non-comic fans I know seemed to like him :huh:

What do you want to do? Ignore him?

[Showtime]

I think to most people it would be. One of the biggest complaints I've heard about SR on these boards and out in the real world....is the inclusion of Jason. The way they went about introducing him, just seems to have hit very many people the wrong way.

This is exactly what I have heard, I tease Buggs all the time for telling stories about what he has heard but...

Two of my really close friends haven't seen the movie yet, one is a female the other is a male, they are now married. Anyway, they both said the same thing, "Doesn't he have a kid in it?"

[Showtime]

Most non-comic fans I know seemed to like him :huh:

What do you want to do? Ignore him?

De-power him using the chamber from Superman 2.

[C. Lee]

Most non-comic fans I know seemed to like him :huh:

What do you want to do? Ignore him?

I have heard a bunch of people say that they "liked" the kid (thought he was cute and all that)...but didn't like the idea of Superman and Lois having the kid the way they did.

I'm a believer in continuity.....so, unless they do a complete restart, the kid has to be addressed somehow.

[Qwerty©]

De-power him using the chamber from Superman 2.
I do like that idea very much.

[true316]

I have heard a bunch of people say that they "liked" the kid (thought he was cute and all that)...but didn't like the idea of Superman and Lois having the kid the way they did.

I'm a believer in continuity.....so, unless they do a complete restart, the kid has to be addressed somehow.

I usually try not to say what I've heard (because it can vary wildly depending on where you live and it is also easy to fabricate) but to me it is funny what I've heard where I live. It's hard for me to take a lot of the theories people have on the movie seriously. Everyone within my circle of friends and family is what I would call "general audience." No one seems to care about any of the stuff people complain about on here.

I've even tried to start conversations with people about that stuff to get there reactions.

Me: "A lot of the fans had a problem with introducing a son for Superman."

Them: "Really? I liked that. I though it was kinda neat."

Me: "A lot of the fans had a problem with the changes they made to the suit."

Them: (Confused look) "They changed it?"

The complaints I've heard in real life are of a very different nature. Someone complained that there weren't enough 3D scenes in the IMAX version of the movie. Also with New Krypton, the main problem was, "he would never be able to balance that!" Seriously, no problem at all with the kryptonite continent or the kryptonite in his side. I had to laugh about that one. But that's just been my experience and I know I can't speak for anyone else. :cwink:

[Qwerty©]

Most people I know have absolutely no problem with Superman Returns, they're just indifferent.

[Showtime]

That is the thing, the average person isn't even thinking of Superman right now, they moved on the moment they left the theater and have since been entertained by Pirates, Ogres, and Webs. It is only forums like these were the debate rages on.

[Lightning54SC]

Most people I know have absolutely no problem with Superman Returns, they're just indifferent.

alot of people i know either hate and think it sucks or they just dont care... superman needs a reboot plain and simple the onyl people who like it are the ones that crave a movie bad and donner lovers other then that it sucked

[Qwerty©]

alot of people i know either hate and think it sucks or they just dont care... superman needs a reboot plain and simple the onyl people who like it are the ones that crave a movie bad and donner lovers other then that it suckedNice of you to lump me into a group.

A reboot isn't necessary. Singer could easily win approval back.

[true316]

That is the thing, the average person isn't even thinking of Superman right now, they moved on the moment they left the theater and have since been entertained by Pirates, Ogres, and Webs. It is only forums like these were the debate rages on.

Yup, not only does the debate rage on...but it rages on in one gigantic circle. One gigantic, repetitive circle. I think I've gotten the jist of the arguements down.

Someone says: "SR made $391 million at the BO."

Response: "It only matters how much it cost to make, not how many people saw it."

Someone says: "SR should have made more at the box office because it is Superman."

Response: "Maybe SR made what it made at the box office because it was Superman.

Someone says: "Routh is teh skinny!"

Response: Post a picture of Routh working out.

Response to Response: Say pic of Routh is invalid because of the pump that occurs whie working out.

Someone says: "SR won another award!"

Response: "That award sucks." Or the ever-so-lovable..."The movie still sucks."

Someone says: "SR got another good review!"

Response: (If they like the SR) "Great review!" (If they don't like SR) "Terrible review!"

Someone says: "SR got a poor review!"

Response: (If they like SR) "Terrible review!" (If they don't like SR) "Good review!"

Isn't it also an amazing coincidence that whether a post is good or bad is determined by whether they agree with you? :oldrazz:

Good times. I always liked merry-go-rounds when I was a kid. Never knew I would still be playing on one when I grew up. :woot:

[Showtime]

Matthew Bomer Interview:

I’ve read some stories about you being attached to Superman Returns and how you were Brett Ratner’s first choice to play Superman. Is that true?

Well yeah. Just to clarify, it wasn’t Superman Returns at the time. It was a completely different movie that JJ Abrams had written. So, it was a lot more comedic, it was more sort of the coming of age and him sort of realizing through the course of the movie how to use his powers for good and stuff that wasn’t a sequel or a part two of the original Superman franchise.

[El Payaso]

Yup, not only does the debate rage on...but it rages on in one gigantic circle. One gigantic, repetitive circle. I think I've gotten the jist of the arguements down.

Someone says: "SR made $391 million at the BO."

Response: "It only matters how much it cost to make, not how many people saw it."

Someone says: "SR should have made more at the box office because it is Superman."

Response: "Maybe SR made what it made at the box office because it was Superman.

Someone says: "Routh is teh skinny!"

Response: Post a picture of Routh working out.

Response to Response: Say pic of Routh is invalid because of the pump that occurs whie working out.

Someone says: "SR won another award!"

Response: "That award sucks." Or the ever-so-lovable..."The movie still sucks."

Someone says: "SR got another good review!"

Response: (If they like the SR) "Great review!" (If they don't like SR) "Terrible review!"

Someone says: "SR got a poor review!"

Response: (If they like SR) "Terrible review!" (If they don't like SR) "Good review!"

Isn't it also an amazing coincidence that whether a post is good or bad is determined by whether they agree with you? :oldrazz:

Good times. I always liked merry-go-rounds when I was a kid. Never knew I would still be playing on one when I grew up. :woot:

You add

Someone says: "All the times I saw SR in a theater, 3 out of 4 people disliked it"

Response: "No, when I saw SR at the theater multiple times, more people liked it"

and you can sum up the whole SR boards content.

[superbaby]

Matthew Bomer Interview:

I’ve read some stories about you being attached to Superman Returns and how you were Brett Ratner’s first choice to play Superman. Is that true?

Well yeah. Just to clarify, it wasn’t Superman Returns at the time. It was a completely different movie that JJ Abrams had written. So, it was a lot more comedic, it was more sort of the coming of age and him sort of realizing through the course of the movie how to use his powers for good and stuff that wasn’t a sequel or a part two of the original Superman franchise.
where is he now???

[Mr. Socko]

Who, Abe?

[Wargod]

where is he now???

At the moment he is the main character of "Traveler", an ABC tv show.

[Showtime]

where is he now???

In a tv show called Traveler.

[Angeloz]

read carefully pls.
i said clark kent, superman lois lane and LEX LUTHOR!

I was pointing out Lex was either a CIA Kryptonian or a Hitler like character (supposedly) in the scripts. I take it you don't like either of those options?

Angeloz

[GreenKToo]

hmmm, well you can lump me into the camp that has an open mind. If singer can deliver on the sequel, great. If he can't, then get another director.

[RouthIsSuperman]

hmmm, well you can lump me into the camp that has an open mind. If singer can deliver on the sequel, great. If he can't, then get another director.
I couldnt have said it better myself. I totally agree with that statement. But, I am confident that he will deliver a Superman film for the ages. I really do believe that its going to blow our minds, and I would really like to see the people who are so anti-Singer actually come back and say that it was a great movie. 2009 cant come soon enough, if thats in fact we will see the next movie.

[RouthIsSuperman]

In a tv show called Traveler.
I was watching that show when it was on a few weeks ago and I thought thats who that was, and IMO he doesnt look very Supermanish now, but thats the magic of Hollywood and weightlifting. Pretty good show by the way. My favorite show is absolutely Heroes. Ok Im done. lol

[Showtime]

I don't think he ever looked Supermanish really, I thought it was horrible casting.

[Excel]

he had the face; i just remember everyone complaining he was really short. i wanted him over frasor n hartnett though:o

http://z.about.com/d/horror/1/0/b/p/MattBomer8a.jpg

[GreenKToo]

Like I told showy, if they did a reboot, I would love for them to show an established superman in his mid to late 30's. Clive owen would be superb.

[Showtime]

Before Returns came out, my version of Superman would be a 35 year old version who is already established. There would be hints of what happened before in the Donner Universe and there would be no need to retell the origin, but it would not be a direct sequel or vague sequel.

[GreenKToo]

It wouldnt bother me if they went the harry potter route, and used a different director for each, or most of the films.
Use the same actors though if possible..

[batman strikes]

this was actually the original...
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7981/supes2lx4.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supes2lx4.jpg)


Is this picture a manip of the original picture? Because the one I saw had a blue collar above the red. I was also wondering who was McG favorite for the part of Clark Kent/Superman the first time he was set to direct? I know after Ratner left he came back on board and almost cast Henry Cavill for Clark Kent/Superman, Scarlett Johansson for Lois Lane, Johnny Depp for Jor-El, Bruce Willis for Lex Luthor and Shia LeBeouf as Jimmy Olsen. But I never heard to much about the project before Ratner was on board could someone please fill in.

[fabman]

Well, I just watched Batman (1989). What if...

Sam Hamm wrote a Superman film? I mean, he's a great writer and I really like that guy from the interviews, etc.

[El Payaso]

Sam Hamm hates the capes of the superheroes.

[fabman]

Well, yeah, wasn't there a scene where Batman had a problem with the cape in his script?

[batman strikes]

Yeah he did. In one of the scenes in the script he had Batman's cape get caught in the batplane when he was trying to eject from it. So dose anyone know if that above picture of Superman is a manip without the collar or is that real concept art for McG's Superman.

[fabman]

As far as I know, real concept art.

P.S.: SAM HAMM FOR SUPERMAN! :D

[batman strikes]

Dose Sam Hamm even write screenplays anymore? The last movie I heard of him writing for was Monkeybone.

[SuperDaniel]

Matthew Bomer interview...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqTtY5Zd35w

[M.O.Steel]

i don't like the idea of an evil Jor-El. I didn't like it when they made him "Evil" in smallville, which didn't end up being the case, but still. If they were to bring in Lara's father, then they could easily make him the villian and keep jor-el in his place.

[Excel]

Matthew Bomer interview...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqTtY5Zd35w

very supermanish face.

[superbaby]

just watched transformer...
WOOW... it's simply Fan-tastic!!! unbelievably believable.

micheal bay couldn't make the jj abram's script...
it's really a huge lost to superman...

[batman strikes]

Michael Bay didn't have any desire to make a superhero movie and I heard he hated the J.J. Abrams script. Plus if he directed Superman last year then we would probably have Josh Hartnett as Superman instead of Brandon Routh. Anyways I thinks it's obvious that Michael Bay is better suited for Transformers which looks awesome by the way, I can't wait until July 3rd.

[superbaby]

Michael Bay didn't have any desire to make a superhero movie and I heard he hated the J.J. Abrams script. Plus if he directed Superman last year then we would probably have Josh Hartnett as Superman instead of Brandon Routh. Anyways I thinks obvious that Michael Bay is better suited for Transformers which looks awesome by the way, I can't wait until July 3rd.
he didn't want to do the transformer at the beginning. he thought it was just a toy movie. but he gave it a chance. he attended the "transformer school" to learn everything about the subject. and then he changed and embraced it totally.

unlike singer, never go to learn the source and interprete superman all by himself and get superman in a totally f*ed up situation in the end.

[Excel]

bay had just made 4 major hits in a row (the rock, armageddon(HUGE!) pearl harbor(huge!) and bad boys 2). He had established himself as a hitmaker,and wanted to make a film he really liked called the island. the studio didnt like the idea, so bay said hed go direct superman instead where he had another surefire hit. They gave in n he made the island. it then bombed, so he needed something he knew he could make a huge hit out of: enter transformers.

[superbaby]

bay had just made 4 major hits in a row (the rock, armageddon(HUGE!) pearl harbor(huge!) and bad boys 2). He had established himself as a hitmaker,and wanted to make a film he really liked called the island. the studio didnt like the idea, so bay said hed go direct superman instead where he had another surefire hit. They gave in n he made the island. it then bombed, so he needed something he knew he could make a huge hit out of: enter transformers.
i thought the island is a very good movie.

[batman strikes]

Originally posted by Exel
[/quote]so bay said hed go direct superman instead where he had another surefire hit. They gave in n he made the island. it then bombed, so he needed something he knew he could make a huge hit out of: enter transformers.[/quote]

Regarding this part, did Bay say that he wanted Josh Hartnett for Superman or was that a rumor at the time? Because I remember reading that Hartnett would only do the movie with Bay at helm was that true or was that media speculation. I also wonder if J.J. Abrams would of been kept on as screenwriter if he directed instead of Singer.

[Excel]

Hartnett said hed only do it with bat at the helml; i do not think bay ever even thought about casting.

[batman strikes]

Before reading this, I had know idea he came really close to directing. I thought it was only a dream of WB's to have Michael Bay directing from a script by J.J. Abrams.

[superbaby]

Before reading this, I had know idea he came really close to directing. I thought it was only a dream of WB's to have Michael Bay directing from a script by J.J. Abrams.
Michael Bay and J. J. Abrams have worked in armageddon before!
any possible they will be re-use jj abram's script?

[Nokio]

Singer made a Superman film that appeals to the masses not the fan boys. :super:


Wow, that's in interesting way to put it. So you mean to tell me that the fan boys make up a huge share of the market? No Superman made that 200 million domestically because of the fan boys and not the masses. If it were up to the masses SR would hit that nice 350-420 million mark domestically.

The movie was mediocre and bland. Beautifullly shot, but bland. If you're a director and you get a 200 million plus to do a Superman film, and the best action sequence you can deliver is a plane rescue just to have Supes save his former flame, then Superman or anything in the similar genre isn't for you.

[Nokio]

Abrams script was fine, in fact i thought it would make a good movie, but just not a Superman movie. I think it's a shame the WB scrapped it. With a rewrite to fix Krypton and SuperLex it would've been good. Abrams is good, his MI3 was the best to me, and he's not a bad director either. I think the fault that can be placed on Abrams is that he was trying to update Superman and make the story or give a freash take on a story that everyone already knows.

It didn't work our cause the fan boys made such a stink about it and it scared WB. I believe Kevin Smith or someone else famous from comics and I could be wrong, but i'm sure it was Smith but I read in an article where he said that WB paniced cuase they didn't understand how to read the fans negative reaction and that it doesn't mean you scrap the whole project. He said that the script was good and just needed to change some things.

[cryptic name]

just watched transformer...
WOOW... it's simply Fan-tastic!!! unbelievably believable.

micheal bay couldn't make the jj abram's script...
it's really a huge lost to superman...

Bay needs to be kept as far away from Superman as possible, he's all show and no soul and Transformers is proof.

[superbaby]

Bay needs to be kept as far away from Superman as possible, he's all show and no soul and Transformers is proof.
ha, you go to watch transformers for drama and romance? then you have chosen the wrong movie. it doesn't pretend to be any other than an action-packed summer block buster. and it did a very nice job.
btw, it has a balance of romance and drama too. not too much and not too little, just nice. still remember the phrase "i don't regret to get into your car." melting and touching.

[superbaby]

Abrams script was fine, in fact i thought it would make a good movie, but just not a Superman movie. I think it's a shame the WB scrapped it. With a rewrite to fix Krypton and SuperLex it would've been good. Abrams is good, his MI3 was the best to me, and he's not a bad director either. I think the fault that can be placed on Abrams is that he was trying to update Superman and make the story or give a freash take on a story that everyone already knows.

It didn't work our cause the fan boys made such a stink about it and it scared WB. I believe Kevin Smith or someone else famous from comics and I could be wrong, but i'm sure it was Smith but I read in an article where he said that WB paniced cuase they didn't understand how to read the fans negative reaction and that it doesn't mean you scrap the whole project. He said that the script was good and just needed to change some things.
there is a lot of bad elements in the first draft. you can't blame the fans to make an uproar. we just wanna make sure they have listened. they just listened too well that time and singer learned the lesson from jj abram's expense. :csad:

[turtlefocker]

WB should revisit J.J's third draft. They could hire someone like Andrew Kevin Walker to clean it up and tie it down closer to the source material. Walker is an excellent script doctor and is a fan of classic Superman. Cobine that with J.J's revisonist third draft and we could have the ultimate Superman film.

[BULLITT]

Kevin Smith

Get it done.http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/BRIANBORU/smmonksmoke.jpg

[superbaby]

WB should revisit J.J's third draft. They could hire someone like Andrew Kevin Walker to clean it up and tie it down closer to the source material. Walker is an excellent script doctor and is a fan of classic Superman. Cobine that with J.J's revisonist third draft and we could have the ultimate Superman film.
i love the idea.

how to pass the idea to WB?

[cryptic name]

ha, you go to watch transformers for drama and romance? then you have chosen the wrong movie. it doesn't pretend to be any other than an action-packed summer block buster. and it did a very nice job.
btw, it has a balance of romance and drama too. not too much and not too little, just nice. still remember the phrase "i don't regret to get into your car." melting and touching.

no, i went to see transformers to see a transformers movie. and you're right, i chose the wrong movie.

superman should never be nothing but an action-packed summer blockbuster. the film should have unbelievable action, and that's why i dislike SR, but it should also have romantic qualities, and above all, it needs the propper tone. you need to feel the spirit of superman coming through the screen, richard donner achieved this, singer nearly did but missed on some key points. bay is not capable, by his own admition, he prefers to shoot things that are "sexy" sexy cars, sexy penthouse appartments, etc. he's wrong for superman and he was wrong for transformers. imo, he'd be better as a cinematographer than a director.

[merced]

WB should revisit J.J's third draft. They could hire someone like Andrew Kevin Walker to clean it up and tie it down closer to the source material. Walker is an excellent script doctor and is a fan of classic Superman. Cobine that with J.J's revisonist third draft and we could have the ultimate Superman film.

In hindsight JJ's script as revised has an epic feel that SR did not. If I felt a reboot would happen in 5 or so years I'd vote for that hands down over a sequel. Don't think realistically that is the choice.

[Super Kal]

i would love to read it someday...

[Excel]

draft 1 is online.

[Super Kal]

yeah... but that's draft 1... I wanna read draft 3 :D

[turtlefocker]

yeah... but that's draft 1... I wanna read draft 3 :D

Dont we all

[merced]

WB should revisit J.J's third draft. They could hire someone like Andrew Kevin Walker to clean it up and tie it down closer to the source material. Walker is an excellent script doctor and is a fan of classic Superman. Cobine that with J.J's revisonist third draft and we could have the ultimate Superman film.

If WB ever reboots this would be a good starting point. The bits and pieces about JJ's later drafts make it sound really epic like SR wasn't so much.

[Excel]

im in the middle of a rewrite of it right now.

[batman strikes]

im in the middle of a rewrite of it right now.

Do you have the third draft of the script?

[superbaby]

ya, i wanna read it too. sound real promising. :)

[turtlefocker]

come on exel leak the third draft is you have it

[batman strikes]

I think someone should PM Exel and ask him if his has the third draft and if he does to either leak it or at least write a pretty extensive review of it.

[Qwerty©]

I think excel means he is rewriting the first draft of Abram's script by himself. He is a person who likes to create fan scripts and stuff like that.

[Excel]

Heh nah I am rewriting the 1st draft; qwerty got it.

The 3rd draft sounds stupid; it had Jor-el as the villain n superman with a teleporter....:huh:

[batman strikes]

What have you changed in the first draft to make it closer to the Superman mythology. I gather that you changed Lex, but what did you change to the Krypton stuff?

[Excel]

i made krypton exactly how it should be; lex runs lexcorp. metallo is in the place of tyzor.

[myway]

I liked SR and would love to see Singer continue the series but if he doesn't, what if any do you think are the chances of Warner Brothers picking up that old J.J. script off the shelf and producing it? The reason that I thought of it is that with his Star Trek reboot coming to the screen, maybe WB will look to J.J. to reboot the Superman franchise. I liked what I heard about it and recently saw pictures of the suits they were gonna use in the movie and liked that too.

[Super-Bats]

ummm.....is this the one where Krypton didn't explode, Lex was a kryptonian CIA agent, Supes was like a royal prince, the Kryptonians knew aerial "kung fu", Supes died and was reborn inside Lois who gave birth to Supes........

ummmm......no.......

[Visionary]

I would love it if J.J. Abrams directed the new Supes movie, but let someone else with better Superman motifs write it. Actually, that's the same way I feel about James Cameron directing Spider-Man.

[myway]

Lex being a Kryptonian CIA agent was only part of an early draft; it wasn't part of later drafts of the movie. As for Superman being reborn in Lois, I never heard of that but it sounds like a misconstrued rumor to me (at least I hope it is)

[Lead Cenobite]

Wasn't that from when Burton was directing?

[Ultimate_Superman]

If you go to Superman Homepage you can read the scripts of all the failed Superman movies. Including Kevin Smith's script, Superman vs Batman, Superman Lives (J.J. Abrams), Burton's script, and more.

[FlawlessVictory]

ummm.....is this the one where Krypton didn't explode, Lex was a kryptonian CIA agent, Supes was like a royal prince, the Kryptonians knew aerial "kung fu", Supes died and was reborn inside Lois who gave birth to Supes........

ummmm......no.......

That was a completely different script for another Superman project, totally unrelated to JJ Abrams Superman.

[Showtime]

Abrams script is an origin story isn't it? It couldn't be a sequel to Returns.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Abrams script is an origin story isn't it? It couldn't be a sequel to Returns.
Correct in many ways if you changed a few things around it could almost work as a prequel to SR mainly because of the ending.. The script IMO is okay the thing I would change how ever is not having Lex come from Krypton and I would have Krypton blow up. Other then that it is an okay script.

[Showtime]

I'm not a huge fan of it. It has some nice elements and what not. Singer used some elements such as the plane sequence and the listening post, in Returns. They are not the same obviously, but the references are sure there.

He also borrowed from the "Asylum" script, the shot of Superman burning the glass with his heat vision is taken almost directly from Asylum but used in a different sequence.

[The Guard]

Abrams SUPERMAN script gets a lot of flack from people who have never read it. It had some great character work compared to most comic book films. It was a lot deeper than most takes on the character. And there are just some absolutely fantastic moments. It would have made a hell of a movie. The Lex Luthor being from Krypton thing was changed in subsequent drafts, and he became a corrupt businessman with a corporate empire. Although, even before that, his character was a lot better written than Spacey's Luthor. My guess is fans would have loved it had it been made into a film.

The Superman-being-reborn-from-Lois is from SUPERMAN REBORN, a later version of the Burton/Peters SUPERMAN LIVES project.

[DavidTyler]

Guard, any idea where that script might be found?

[green]

http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/Superman(JJAbrams).pdf

[DoctorJones]

Yeah, Abrams' script was great (once he excised the Kryptonian Luthor and the death storyline).

[turtlefocker]

ummm.....is this the one where Krypton didn't explode, Lex was a kryptonian CIA agent, Supes was like a royal prince, the Kryptonians knew aerial "kung fu", Supes died and was reborn inside Lois who gave birth to Supes........



everything you just mentioned had been removed by his final draft... a much more faithful version.

[FlawlessVictory]

Abrams SUPERMAN script gets a lot of flack from people who have never read it. It had some great character work compared to most comic book films. It was a lot deeper than most takes on the character. And there are just some absolutely fantastic moments. It would have made a hell of a movie. The Lex Luthor being from Krypton thing was changed in subsequent drafts, and he became a corrupt businessman with a corporate empire. Although, even before that, his character was a lot better written than Spacey's Luthor. My guess is fans would have loved it had it been made into a film.

everything you just mentioned had been removed by his final draft... a much more faithful version.

If that's the case then I wish we would have gotten that version. :csad:

[Super Kal]

Abrams' frist draft consisted of the Krypton not blowing up and Lex being CIA... the later rewrites did not have those elements in the story.

[Godzilla]

Heres a link to the 2nd draft that doesnt get mentioned quite as much as the 1st draft. Abrams did a better job this time around, IMO. And I actually like how Lex is portrayed in this draft. Much better than the CIA, or real estate nut Lex from Returns for sure.

http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptreviews/superman/flyby.html

[myway]

Abrams' frist draft consisted of the Krypton not blowing up and Lex being CIA... the later rewrites did not have those elements in the story.

Wasn't Kypton not being blown up always a part of the script b/c Krypton existed as a planet in civil war, even in later drafts?

[Super Kal]

nope... it changed in the rewrites.

[Excel]

There are just remenents and i liked the idea of luthor as cia agent.

[turtlefocker]

JJ ABRAMS is by far the best choice to write and direct a Superman reboot.

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=13404

Luthor will not be Kryptonian.

Did Moriarty cause that? Apparently not, that was a note from Alan Horn when he read it, quite some time ago.

So the big battle at the end of the script between Super-Luthor and Superman... Ixnay. The gigantic funeral sequence... Gone - pacing concerns. Will Krypton explode in this film? "We'll see." Is the response. Rather coy, don't you think?

There is something that J.J. is very set in doing, and that is not plagarizing Mario Puzo's script and putting his name on it. He likes the Richard Donner film quite a bit, and likes a lot of SUPERMAN 2 as well. He doesn't want to tell that story exactly the same way. He wants to tell it, where he keeps the spirit, but reorganizes how the information gets to you. So you can come to a SUPERMAN movie and be surprised that it isn't quite the way you remember it, but that you can look at it and see SUPERMAN... and he'd be in his Costume and it'd look like the Superman costume... and there'd be no polar bears or giant spiders.

The point is this though. J.J. is passionately telling his story of SUPERMAN. There will be some changes, but what Moriarty read will not be the script for the film that will hit the screen. There are changes being made, changes that we all would want done to the script Mori described, but J.J. passionately feels that the most important thing to preserve is the magic of who SUPERMAN is, what he stands for, his actions, beliefs and spirit. Krypton exploding or not is a detail for him, but the more important detail is that he was an orphan with strange powers beyond those of mortal man, and he didn't know why he had them, he was scared to use them, and then at some point in his life he became a hero. He wants to make Lois a strong female character that isn't just a bubbleheaded nosey reporter that absent-mindedly gets in trouble... but a character that through her sheer existence inspires others to be more than what they have been. That's nice. I like that.

http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptreviews/superman/flyby.html

Flyby begins with a video image of a hurried, middle-aged television newscaster shakily announcing the conflict on Earth as a battlefield for warring aliens…then all hell breaks loose in the newsroom as everything quickly explodes out of frame. Indeed, the building housing the newsroom is blown apart, along with 5 city blocks of other buildings, by the thousand-fold hurricane force winds issuing from the blowing mouth of a darkly cloaked, sword bearing, handsome thirty-year old man; his name is Ty-Zor (we'll find out more about him later). The camera pulls back a couple of blocks to show two red boots hitting the pavement with a definite THUD. Pan around and rise to reveal a bruised and bloodied Superman wearing his trademark red and blue tights (hehe) now shredded from battle. Then follows what seems to be (if the special effects are cool) a Gandalf vs. the Balrog (latest Lord of the Rings pic…it's a must see) type of flying, twisting, punching battle through the streets and buildings of Metropolis. The chase ends at an abandoned University Observatory at night. Superman blasts into the building scanning with his x-ray vision while being taunted by the dark whisper of "Kaaaal-Ellll" that Superman's super-hearing picks up. Supes tracks the whispers to a part of the observatory (now a makeshift laboratory) that his vision can't see through (Rats! Lead-lined walls and doors!). So he proceeds to tear open each door down a hallway.

"Superman, it's a trap!"

Yep, Superman is brought to his knees by… well, we don't see what he sees, but we do hear a voice over of Ty-Zor saying, "I want to hear you cry, Kal-El. Like your mother cried…(hehehe)," at which point Superman screams and we cut to an idyllic pasture scene with a young 5-year old girl plucking crystal flowers from a landscape of field and forest under three moons in the crimson glow of a red sun daytime sky.
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Wow, this is a damn good script! It reads quite well and is filled with vivid imagery that should be able to be translated to the big screen rather easily and realistically with today's computer technologies. J.J. Abrams does a great job of building a director's view right into the script. Some of the dialogue and scenes, especially between Superman and Lois, are strongly reminiscent of Christopher Reeve's first Superman flick (1978), but, like I mentioned earlier, some recurrent theme information strings are going to happen; indeed, they probably should happen to maintain a cohesiveness of the thought and ideals that the Superman saga oozes. But who doesn't love a classic fight between good and evil. The fighting scenes in this one (especially the flying ones) should play incredible IF the film is given enough money in it's budget to wow the audience with dazzling special effects. And with Peter's Entertainment ( Ali (2001), Wild Wild West (1999), My Fellow Americans(1996)) backed by the powerhouse of Warner Bros. ( Smallville TV series (2001-present), some of my favorite cartoons ( I love the young vulture flying home to ma singing, " I'm bringing home a baby bumble-bee…"), and a crapload of TV and film stuff for the last 70 years), legendary might, methinks they just might have a large enough budget to make this film a blockbuster hit.http://www.jamescarsondesign.com/images/subject/subject/Creatures/25_lg.jpg


All he needs to do is a quick rewrite on his last draft to tie it down CLOSER to the source material :super: SUPERMAN BEGINS

[nintendo nerd]

UHM............................................... ......no.

[Compi716]

No.

[Super Kal]

maybe not THAT script, but yes, Abrams FTW :up:

[SuBe]

How did this gain Offical Status?

[Krug3r]

is it anywhere near official?

[Smit84]

No no no no. Regardless of the overall writing quality of Abrahms' script, he is so not right for Superman. I knew this would happen. After having some success with Lost, Alias, and Cloverfield and getting the directing gig on Star Trek, people would want him to return to make Superman. Regardless of the changes to the mythology in his first couple drafts, just the tone and spirit of Superman are not there either. It was more in line with Armageddon (Abrhams was one of the writers) and Cloverfield.

What happened with AICN was Moriarity wrote a really negative review and Harry Knowles hated the script himself. Then Harry had an enjoyable phone conversation with Abrahms and hoped on the change-can-be-good bandwagon.

[Super Kal]

you have to keep in in, though, that the negative review came from the first rough draft...

he wrote 3 drafts after that, and the crappiness of the first draft were gone in the rewrites.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Abrams is the fad nerd director right now, things will die down soon.

[Doctor Baywatch]

Abrams may be a marketing genius but he is a mediocre director and writer. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/smilies/ninja.gif

[SuperDaniel]

2 words:

HELL NO!

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^It's okay, he won't do it and frankly I don't want him to. I still wan't Gore Verbinski.

[El Payaso]

Well, he directed and wrote Mission: Impossible III.

[Prefix]

I would've loved to have seen even his first draft as a movie. It wouldn't have been faithful, but it sounded like a good movie.

[myway]

I'm torn because I liked SR. If Singer & co are out then yes.

[Angeloz]

I thought people hate Luthor making an island and you want the writer that writes about people trapped on an island? ;)

Angeloz

[The War Machine]

No. Don't want him.

Abrams could probably draw in audiences and box office but his ideas for Superman are so whacked; they totally turn the character into something else.

But his action sequences would definitely make great popcorn entertainment.

He should stick with the new Star Trek film franchaise, it fits him more.