Obama And Hillary On The Same Ticket? Yeah, That Idea Is Back.

[jaguarr]

I'm gonna pull a "terry" and not post the whole article, but, here it is:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4230183&page=1


Interesting that this is coming back up. It was something that was talked about early on but definitely not something anyone's thought to be even a remote possibility given how nasty the Clinton's have been in their campaign against Obama, and even in how he's responded. The article points out some instances where stranger things have happened, though. I'm not sure I see this actually happening, but I won't say "never".

jag

[hippie_hunter]

I really doubt that is going to happen. This would end up being like Bill Clinton and Al Gore where they end up hating each other like they do right now.

[Chris B]

I can't see it happening either. I think both are going to want to balance the ticket by going with the standard white guy.

[The Professor]

It's not going to happen. If Edwards decides to give an endorsement, he'll probably be their first picks. I think Obama/Edwards is a strong possibility, more so than Clinton/Edwards.

[jaguarr]

Edwards already said he wasn't interested in being anyone's running mate as he'd already been there and done that before.

jag

[The Senator]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this happens, and I wouldn't be opposed to it, either.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I doubt that Edwards will take the No. 2 notch again. And although Obama and Billary were civil last night, don't expect it to last.

Super Tuesday is just around the corner: Things WILL get ugly. The only reason why Billary stayed somewhat respectful in the Hollywood debate is because she knows if she cracks her face antagonistically, it will only reinforce voters' fears that she is not electable--or likable.

[kronos251]

Edwards will not go through that road again. He is not that dumb and forgetful.

Clinton and Obama as a tandem... :/


Who do you think will swallow their pride first and accept the VP position?

[Matt]

Edwards seems to be trying to get an attorney general spot to me. As for Obama and Clinton on the same ticket? It would be suicide. This race has gotten so ridiculously dirty its not even funny. We will have 6 months of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly playing sound clips of the two running mates trashing one another.

[The Senator]

Edwards seems to be trying to get an attorney general spot to me. As for Obama and Clinton on the same ticket? It would be suicide. This race has gotten so ridiculously dirty its not even funny. We will have 6 months of Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly playing sound clips of the two running mates trashing one another.

We also have six months of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Tom Tancredo and Rick Santorum riling conservatives against McCain-- which they've all said they would do. So really, it will even out.

[Matt]

We also have six months of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Tom Tancredo and Rick Santorum riling conservatives against McCain-- which they've all said they would do. So really, it will even out.

The only difference is, we don't have the forum to play them. People watch O'Reilly and listen to Rush. No one gives a damn about NPR on the other hand :csad:

[The Professor]

The only difference is, we don't have the forum to play them. People watch O'Reilly and listen to Rush. No one gives a damn about NPR on the other hand :csad:

Sad but true.

[MaskedManJRK]

I really doubt that is going to happen. This would end up being like Bill Clinton and Al Gore where they end up hating each other like they do right now.

Except it would be even worse, because Obama and Clinton already hate each other--I can see it in their eyes. :o

[Ghostvirus]

If Hillary wins the nomination, I could see Obama playing second fiddle. The Only thing that is holding Obama back right now is experience. What better experience than to have him be VP for 4 or 8 years. & if Hillary does a decent enough job. That would insure An Obam presidency in 2016.

[Matt]

If Hillary wins the nomination, I could see Obama playing second fiddle. The Only thing that is holding Obama back right now is experience. What better experience than to have him be VP for 4 or 8 years. & if Hillary does a decent enough job. That would insure An Obam presidency in 2016.


1) What incentive does Hillary have to take him? He really doesn't balance her ticket and their dirty campaign against each other will be used against them. Plus...a woman and black man, might as well give the Republicans every southern and middle state.

2) What incentive does Obama has to accept? Even if he loses the nomination, if he stays in the Senate he can continue to stay nationally relevant, build up the experience he needs and continue to "control his own fate" if you will. Meanwhile, assuming Clinton does take the White House, what if she loses her bid for re-election? What if her policies are wildly unpopular? What if she leaves office much like Bush is going to with a 10-20 % approval rating? Doesn't exactly put Obama in a good position.

Regardless of who wins or loses, these two would be best just going their seperate ways.

[Ghostvirus]

1) What incentive does Hillary have to take him? He really doesn't balance her ticket and their dirty campaign against each other will be used against them. Plus...a woman and black man, might as well give the Republicans every southern and middle state.

2) What incentive does Obama has to accept? Even if he loses the nomination, if he stays in the Senate he can continue to stay nationally relevant, build up the experience he needs and continue to "control his own fate" if you will. Meanwhile, assuming Clinton does take the White House, what if she loses her bid for re-election? What if her policies are wildly unpopular? What if she leaves office much like Bush is going to with a 10-20 % approval rating? Doesn't exactly put Obama in a good position.

Regardless of who wins or loses, these two would be best just going their seperate ways.

There are a whole lot of what if's there. There is a lot that could wrong, but there is no greater experience besides actually being president that being VP.

& as far as you other ifs. There are 2 things that are going to happen by the end of this year.

1. The Patriots will win the superbowl.

2. There will be a democrat in the white house.

Bush has single handedly destroyed the reputation of the Republican party. It is going to take a long time to get there rep back. You could have a black, Mexican female midget immigrant running on the Democratic ticket, & the republicans would probably win, but it would be a squeeker.

[hippie_hunter]

1. The Patriots will win the superbowl.
That's a given

2. There will be a democrat in the white house.
I don't see 2008 being a major victory for the Democrats. They will lose a few seats in the House, seats that the GOP lost in 2006 that are naturally Republican will go back to Republican hands (like Mark Foley's district). However this will be countered by the Democrats keeping their majority in the House and winning one or two more seats in the Senate (Virginia for sure and probably Colorado or New Hampshire).

As for the White House race, it all depends on who gets the nomination to go up against John McCain. Both Obama and Clinton lose to McCain in most polls but Obama has the best chance. If Obama gets elected it's going to be a tough race. Hillary, McCain will win.

[StorminNorman]

2. There will be a democrat in the white house.

Bush has single handedly destroyed the reputation of the Republican party. It is going to take a long time to get there rep back. You could have a black, Mexican female midget immigrant running on the Democratic ticket, & the republicans would probably win, but it would be a squeeker.

Thanks for an incredibly ignorant, out of touch statement.

[Venom'sDad]

:pal: I agree

[Ghostvirus]

I don't see 2008 being a major victory for the Democrats. They will lose a few seats in the House, seats that the GOP lost in 2006 that are naturally Republican will go back to Republican hands (like Mark Foley's district). However this will be countered by the Democrats keeping their majority in the House and winning one or two more seats in the Senate (Virginia for sure and probably Colorado or New Hampshire).

As for the White House race, it all depends on who gets the nomination to go up against John McCain. Both Obama and Clinton lose to McCain in most polls but Obama has the best chance. If Obama gets elected it's going to be a tough race. Hillary, McCain will win.

True. I think if anyone can win it would be McCain.

Thanks for an incredibly ignorant, out of touch statement.

LOL. nice insight.:up:

[Ghostvirus]

:pal: I agree

You got a little brown on your nose there buddy.

[Kel]

I could see it as a Clinton/Obama ticket....which would mean 16 years of Democratic presidents almost guaranteed......I do not believe that there will be an Obama/Clinton.....I don't think Clinton's ego would go for that....

[Ghostvirus]

^ totally. There is no reason for Clinton to play second fiddle. I think if Obama wins, then Edwards might reconsider not playing second fiddle.

[hippie_hunter]

I think Edwards is just trying to get the Attorney General position in either Obama or Clinton's Cabinet. He knows that they aren't going to get him for the running mate spot. Hillary is either going to choose Bayh or Clark and Obama is going to chose someone who doesn't come off as a socialist but someone who can help with his uniter image, a more moderate Democrat to try and balance his liberal voting record.

[The Senator]

That's a given


I don't see 2008 being a major victory for the Democrats. They will lose a few seats in the House, seats that the GOP lost in 2006 that are naturally Republican will go back to Republican hands (like Mark Foley's district). However this will be countered by the Democrats keeping their majority in the House and winning one or two more seats in the Senate (Virginia for sure and probably Colorado or New Hampshire).

As for the White House race, it all depends on who gets the nomination to go up against John McCain. Both Obama and Clinton lose to McCain in most polls but Obama has the best chance. If Obama gets elected it's going to be a tough race. Hillary, McCain will win.

According to the Cook Political Report, none of the Democrats currently up for re-election in the House and the Senate face strong challenges. Furthermore, with 15% of the House Republicans retiring, and at least six of those seats were held by liberal Republicans, the Dems may very well add to their majority in the House. There are also two Senate seats (Virginia, New Mexico) which are expected to be handed to the Dems, and two more (Colorado, New Hampshire) which may also go to the Dems. Plus, if McCain wins the Presidency, the Democratic governor of Arizona will have to appoint someone to fulfill the remainder of his term. So even if the Dems lose the White House, their House and Senate prospects are extremely good.

[Ghostvirus]

This is out of left field, but do you think Obama would choose a Kennedy as VP?

[Lightning Strykez!]

You mean someone like Teddy? I doubt it.

I wouldn't be suprised if Obama chose Sebelius. She'd be an interesting person on his ticket, and her experience as a governor would be cited as a plus.

[Ghostvirus]

I don't think Teddy. He has to bad of a rep. I mean a Kennedy that very few if anyone has heard of. It would be a great way to usher in a new era of Kennedy.

I am just throwing sh** out there, because no one really knows what is going to happen until it happens.

[The Senator]

There are two Kennedys from the JFK/ RFK family he would be able to pick, and they both have awful backgrounds which wouldn't help his campaign at all:

1) Rep. Patrick Kennedy (RI)-- after a drunken stupor a couple of years ago, he crashed his car into a barricade at the Capitol Building. When he was pulled over by the Capitol Police (who you don't **** with, by the way), he said he was okay and that he was on his way to a vote-- at 3 in the morning.

2) Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. (NY)-- the man snorted more drugs than Obama himself. Plus, his voice sounds like he swallowed a gallon of hydrochloric acid.

There are other Kennedys out there-- Mark Kennedy from Minnesota and John Kennedy from Louisiana-- but they're Republicans.

[hippie_hunter]

According to the Cook Political Report, none of the Democrats currently up for re-election in the House and the Senate face strong challenges. Furthermore, with 15% of the House Republicans retiring, and at least six of those seats were held by liberal Republicans, the Dems may very well add to their majority in the House. There are also two Senate seats (Virginia, New Mexico) which are expected to be handed to the Dems, and two more (Colorado, New Hampshire) which may also go to the Dems. Plus, if McCain wins the Presidency, the Democratic governor of Arizona will have to appoint someone to fulfill the remainder of his term. So even if the Dems lose the White House, their House and Senate prospects are extremely good.

The Senate prospects are very good. I was just refering to states that will be taken. Virigina will be taken by the Democrats. That isn't up for debate. And you're right New Mexico will most likely be taken. Colorado and New Hampshire though are more of tossups though. It's hard to tell if the Republican or the Democrats will win those. I think that the Democrats will win at least one of those two seats.

However, they will lose seats in the House. Florida's 16th District (Mark Foley's former district) is solidly Republican. The guy who replaced him, won by only 2 points to a freaking write-in. The Republicans will take that seat. They will also take the seats that they lost in Texas. They'll probably take a few others but as I said, the Democrats will keep their majority, it's just going to be smaller.

And frankly the prize they want the most, the White House, I think will remain in Republican hands.