2008 NFL Thread

[Erzengel]

The Giants Pre-Season Opponents are:

The Carolina Panthers
The Cleveland Browns
The New York Jets
The New England Patriots.

[NewYorkSpider]

Can someone clear this whole thing up for me please.

Thanks in advance.

This is from wikipedia.


In February 2007, it was announced that the Dolphins would make slight alterations to their uniforms. The navy blue outline on the Dolphins numbers will be thinned in hopes of making them easier to read for viewers. Despite this news and contrary to rumors, the Dolphins have no plans to change the team's logo.

[Orson_Randall]

Mike Vick back on the playing Field?
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/23996104/

[Darthphere]

Gridiron Gang 2: ConVickted.

[Immortalfire]

Gridiron Gang 2: ConVickted.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/lold.jpg

[The Game]

The Giants Pre-Season Opponents are:

The Carolina Panthers
The Cleveland Browns
The New York Jets
The New England Patriots.

REVENGE :hehe:

[Alex The Great]

Pre-Season revenge = :down
REAGULAR SEASON REVENGE = :cmad::up:!!!

[Erzengel]

The Giants played the Pats last year during Pre-Season.

But if Pre-Season meant something they would have acknowledged that the Pats were 2-2 in the Pre-Season last year.

[chuckymack]

Can someone clear this whole thing up for me please.

Thanks in advance.

There was a lot of hullaballoo about it a month or so ago, but I haven't heard anything about it as of late. If I get ahold of anything, I'll let you know!

[Dark Donnie]

...
Brett Favre told Biloxi Sun Herald writer and close friend Al Jones that he would consider returning to the Packers if they needed him due to injury.
"If that opportunity presented itself and they did call, it would be tempting. And I very well could be enticed to do it... I'm sure mentally, I would be refreshed. I'd be away from it for a long time. But mentally vs. physically, the last thing I'd want to do is go up and it's 'Oh this is great and all that stuff and me be excited and then just flop," Favre said.

[Immortalfire]

The bull odor continues to grow in potency.

[steintym]

...

Why would Favre even put that out there? There is going to be constant speculation. Just go away and enjoy your retirement.

[Excel]

Why would Favre even put that out there? There is going to be constant speculation. Just go away and enjoy your retirement.

Hes having 2nd thoughts....he was drained from football physically and emotionally when he retired, now hes been refeuled.

[Showtime]

There was a lot of hullaballoo about it a month or so ago, but I haven't heard anything about it as of late. If I get ahold of anything, I'll let you know!

Weren't you the one that said they were getting them? :huh:

[FaT_tONle]

Why would Favre even put that out there? There is going to be constant speculation. Just go away and enjoy your retirement.

Two words... Vinny Testeverde... I understand his comeback with the Jets in 05' was a disaster... but that happens (I mean he was 42 or something)... Vinny T still posted solid numbers on a crap ass Cowboy team in 04'... when you got a veteran as good as Brett Farve sitting in there the Pack are set for this year AND possibly next year as far as not worrying about bringing in a veteran backup. Basically you can develop a project backup now itself without having to shove him in there if there is a long term emergency. You know Number 4 will stay in football shape... if the team is competitive... 8-4 ish before an Aaron Rogers injury... then Farve can come in by week 12 fresh. Is he going to come in and win a Superbowl? Absolutely not... but it gives you a better chance of not only making the playoffs but securing a higher seed... if Rogers goes down before week 5 its not worth it... if he goes down week 8 and the team is 4-4 or even 6-2 it isn't worth it... this has got to be a week 10 move where Farve can come in with a comfortable cushion. Whether that's right or not? Why the hell not? It's Brett Farve. The guy is going to get a pass no matter what... this isn't a Roger Clemens situation... at least not yet. The guy can come in mid season and give you a shot at a championship. If it happens two years in a row Pack should be prepared and shouldn't entertain the Farve notion again. But if your 8-4 Farve could potentially put that team in the same situation as it was in last year, or he at least gives you a better shot than an inexperienced backup.

[Silver Knight]

There was a lot of hullaballoo about it a month or so ago, but I haven't heard anything about it as of late. If I get ahold of anything, I'll let you know!
Cheers, keep me updated.

[FaT_tONle]

Gridiron Gang 2: ConVickted.

The Longest Yard: Prison Dogs

Starring: Michael Vick, Chris Henry, Marcus Vick, and "Pac Man" Jones

Synopsis: A corrupted Warden with strong connections arranges a deal with the Texas State government to bring in Michael Vick into his prison. Quarterback Michael Vick welcomes his new found inmates with open arms as they try to make the most of their jail time on the football field. However, it isn't before long Vick discovers the Warden's true intentions. Apparently the Warden is in charge of a big "dog fighting" operation himself... with some minor changes in taste. After the Warden appropriates Vick's remaining NFL money to fund the new "dog operation" under Vick's name, Vick has no choice but to participate to spare his family and himself further legal trouble. The equation is simple. Win and move on en route to the State Prison Championship... lose... and enter the ring with the Prison Dogs.

[Immortalfire]

The Longest Yard: Prison Dogs

Starring: Michael Vick, Chris Henry, Marcus Vick, and "Pac Man" Jones

Synopsis: A corrupted Warden with strong connections arranges a deal with the Texas State government to bring in Michael Vick into his prison. Quarterback Michael Vick welcomes his new found inmates with open arms as they try to make the most of their jail time on the football field. However, it isn't before long Vick discovers the Warden's true intentions. Apparently the Warden is in charge of a big "dog fighting" operation himself... with some minor changes in taste. After the Warden appropriates Vick's remaining NFL money to fund the new "dog operation" under Vick's name, Vick has no choice but to participate to spare his family and himself further legal trouble. The equation is simple. Win and move on en route to the State Prison Championship... lose... and enter the ring with the Prison Dogs.
Biggest hit for a sports film ever.

[Showtime]

As far as I know, the Dolphins are still on schedule to get a uniform revamp.

From what I hear, the Dolphins' new unis will debut on Draft Day, as well as new uniforms for the Saints and possibly the Niners and Bills(though the latter two may hold off until 2009).


I'm hearing that the Dolphins are going retro this year. They've already filed with the league. So have the Saints, Bills and Niners.

Cheers, keep me updated.

It seems he is already telling you the Dolphins are getting new uniforms, now he is saying they aren't. Kind of confusing if you ask me. :cwink:

[Silver Knight]

Yes, I am totally confused.

ST any word on the Browns and Saints new jerseys?

[chuckymack]

The Bills and Dolphins both want to go retro this year, but I can only go with what I hear. I've previously stated that they've filed with the league, and the last I knew, they were going to debut on Draft Day. That's all the information I have. I can't give the man any new information if I don't have any.

By the way, the Niners are making a change for the 2009 season, not this year. Sorry if I jumped the gun on that.

The Saints are unifying the gold on their uniforms, as well as re-doing the stripes and a return to the Louisiana patch.

The only new uniforms that the Browns will be sporting are a new set of throwbacks, supposedly modeled after the ones from the Otto Graham days.

[Silver Knight]

So are you telling me the Niners will have a complete new look in 09?

[chuckymack]

It's no secret that Mike Nolan wants to go retro. If I had to field a guess, I'd say the Joe Montana-era uniforms will be making a comeback. I've also heard rumblings about a new secondary logo.

[Showtime]

Yes, I am totally confused.

ST any word on the Browns and Saints new jerseys?

It's no secret that Mike Nolan wants to go retro. If I had to field a guess, I'd say the Joe Montana-era uniforms will be making a comeback. I've also heard rumblings about a new secondary logo.

The Bills and Dolphins both want to go retro this year, but I can only go with what I hear. I've previously stated that they've filed with the league, and the last I knew, they were going to debut on Draft Day. That's all the information I have. I can't give the man any new information if I don't have any.

By the way, the Niners are making a change for the 2009 season, not this year. Sorry if I jumped the gun on that.

The Saints are unifying the gold on their uniforms, as well as re-doing the stripes and a return to the Louisiana patch.

The only new uniforms that the Browns will be sporting are a new set of throwbacks, supposedly modeled after the ones from the Otto Graham days.

So are you telling me the Niners will have a complete new look in 09?

At least I know where you are getting all your info Chucky. :o

If you want to read more about uniforms and concepts, sign up for this site Silver.

www.chriscreamer.com (http://www.chriscreamer.com)

There is a great forum dealing strictly with uniforms, you'll see some of Chucky's posts mimick what was said on these boards. :cwink:

[Dark Donnie]

...
Report: Dolphins begin talks with Jake Long

The Dolphins have reportedly begun contract discussions with Michigan OT Jake Long.
Don't read too much into this; the 'Fins will probably talk numbers with UVA DE/OLB Chris Long and possibly Ohio State DE/OLB Vernon Gholston before the draft as well. Still, the negotations indicate that Jake is being seriously considered for the No. 1 overall pick. To avoid a holdout, Miami wants a contract in place before making its choice, unlike Oakland last year. Apr. 9 - 4:01 pm et
Source: Miami Herald


Jets strike $33.5 million deal with S Rhodes


Rhodes
Jets agreed to terms with S Kerry Rhodes on a five-year extension. NFL Network reports the deal is worth $33.5 million, with $20 million guaranteed.
This is a Jets investment that is hard to knock. Rhodes is a dynamic safety who's been effective in zone coverage and the box. He's picked off nine passes, racked up 166 stops, and posted seven sacks over the last two years. We wouldn't be especially high on him as a fantasy option due to the Jets' front seven improvement, but Rhodes is Pro Bowl caliber and only 25. Apr. 9 - 6:29 pm et
Source: SportsNet New York

[Papa Burgundy]

Were you not around in 1987 or 1991? :huh:
Well in 1991 i was 2 so does that count? i grew up watching giants games and reading and watching stuff from the giants superbowl days so i always wanted to see them win one since i was a kid, and it almost happened in 2000. except we lost. 34 to 7. then i said theres always next year. for 7 more years.

edit: YAY 800 posts! yay! omfg! omfg! omfg! omfg!

ahem...sorry i dont know what came over me.

[vindrow]

Not really Show.

The Giants has the Lombardi on their first ring.

And I think 1984 the 49ers were the first to use 2 Lombardi Trophies and in 1988 with 3 Lombardi Trophies. So technically the Patriots copied them. :o



Hehe...and we can all say they copied the 1975 Steelers who were the first to use the Lombardi trophy in their SB ring.

[chuckymack]

At least I know where you are getting all your info Chucky. :o

If you want to read more about uniforms and concepts, sign up for this site Silver.

www.chriscreamer.com (http://www.chriscreamer.com)

There is a great forum dealing strictly with uniforms, you'll see some of Chucky's posts mimick what was said on these boards. :cwink:

Absolutely. I'm freaking addicted to that site. If you're into logos or uniforms, that freakin' site is where it's at. :D

You on there too, Showtime? If so, what's your username?

By the way, your posts seem rather hostile, almost like you're trying to accuse me of something. What gives?

[Dark Donnie]

Pacman Jones-DB-Titans Apr. 10 - 10:35 am et

The Patriots have contacted suspended CB Pacman Jones "behind the scenes," according to the Nashville City Paper.

New England could reportedly jump into the mix with talks between Dallas and Tennessee at a standstill. Jones plans to apply for reinstatement again before the draft. If he's let back into the league, his trade value would soar.
Source: Nashville Tennessean
Related: Patriots

[Darthphere]

Why is Pacman still so valuable?

[Dark Donnie]

Why is Pacman still so valuable?

When hes not slapping strippers he is one of the better CB's in the league, I doubt his value soars though if he's reinstated.

[Raiden]

Jets strike $33.5 million deal with S Rhodes


Rhodes
Jets agreed to terms with S Kerry Rhodes on a five-year extension. NFL Network reports the deal is worth $33.5 million, with $20 million guaranteed.
This is a Jets investment that is hard to knock. Rhodes is a dynamic safety who's been effective in zone coverage and the box. He's picked off nine passes, racked up 166 stops, and posted seven sacks over the last two years. We wouldn't be especially high on him as a fantasy option due to the Jets' front seven improvement, but Rhodes is Pro Bowl caliber and only 25. Apr. 9 - 6:29 pm et
Source: SportsNet New York

Re: this article. I'm fine with all the money Jets thrown this off-season for FA and good players like Rhodes, but the fact is that Jets still doesn't have a good QB, and if they want to succeed then they must have a franchise QB. I don't know if drafting Ryan is the answer or find a veteran QB, but neither Pennington nor Clemens seemed like a good long-term solution.

[Darthphere]

When hes not slapping strippers he is one of the better CB's in the league, I doubt his value soars though if he's reinstated.

I don't think he's that good honestly.

[Immortalfire]

Pacman Jones-DB-Titans Apr. 10 - 10:35 am et

The Patriots have contacted suspended CB Pacman Jones "behind the scenes," according to the Nashville City Paper.

New England could reportedly jump into the mix with talks between Dallas and Tennessee at a standstill. Jones plans to apply for reinstatement again before the draft. If he's let back into the league, his trade value would soar.
Source: Nashville Tennessean
Related: Patriots

Go ahead and send him where a man of his character and integrity belongs....the Bengals.

[Kaleb]

ProFootballTalk.com cites an entry on WWE Announcer Jim Ross's blog that states Jeremy Shockey will be traded to the Saints prior to this month's draft.

Just like most things involving professional wrestling, this should be regarded as absolute truth. "Reggie Bush was also at [WrestleMania] 24 and was hanging around Snoop Dogg’s trailer most of the afternoon on Sunday. My sources tell me that the New York Giants are going to trade outstanding TE Jeremy Shockey to Bush’s Saints, prior to the NFL draft. Shockey is an Oklahoma kid from Ada who told me last week he was looking forward to playing for the Saints," Ross wrote.

:huh:

[Erzengel]

I don't get how they go from Bush to Shockey. :huh:

I'm wondering if they will get that 2nd round pick and Harper for Shockey.

[FaT_tONle]

Shockey is shot... Saints are dumbasses if they part ways with a second round pick... they should have drafted Heath Miller a few years back or whoever the tight end available was in that draft I forget... I'd give a third and maybe a role player for Shockey tops.

[Excel]

Re: this article. I'm fine with all the money Jets thrown this off-season for FA and good players like Rhodes, but the fact is that Jets still doesn't have a good QB, and if they want to succeed then they must have a franchise QB. I don't know if drafting Ryan is the answer or find a veteran QB, but neither Pennington nor Clemens seemed like a good long-term solution.

Penningtons in the NFL because of Randy Moss, without Randy at Marshall he aint even here.

[Alex The Great]

well the pats are good at changing players. look at Randy Moss. Pacman is good. So give him a chance. The Pats can make miracles. excluding the 07 superbowl :csad:

[Nightmare]

I read that favre said he could come back if the packers really needed him. I hope this isnt true.

[Alex The Great]

same.

[Papa Burgundy]

hmmm shockey is a great te, even though kevin boss helped the giants this year, he is really, really slow. but on the other hand shockey has been hit with injuries a few to many times in his career

[Erzengel]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/justmelvin123/photo06.jpg

[Silver Knight]

:huh:
I can see this happening.

I dont know why, but I do.

[Showtime]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/justmelvin123/photo06.jpg

HAHA. That is hilarious. :woot:

Are you turning into Memphis Slim? :csad:

I think it is actually a good thing that they give those shirts away, I thought maybe they might not because of loss prevention.

[Erzengel]

I stumbled upon that, I wasn't looking for it. :o

If I did, I'd mention the South Park episode when Cartman was trying to teach inner city youths to do well in school by cheating like the New England Patriots. :o

[Showtime]

Passive Slimzengel? :o

Looking forward to that NY Giants repeat. :cwink:

[Erzengel]

They've never won back to back, it'd be nice but I know how much tougher the division will be this year. :o

[The Game]

I know others have metioned it, never really took notice of it, but my lord Mcfadden has skinny legs.............hmm could it be possible he will not be the all world star people are expecting

[Showtime]

They've never won back to back, it'd be nice but I know how much tougher the division will be this year. :o

The NFC has been pretty wide open the past several years, I think its pretty possible that the Giants can repeat.

[LegendaryCaleb]

no no...The Giants wont repeat because its Detroits year ;) :oldrazz:

[rdh007]

no no...The Giants wont repeat because its Detroits year ;) :oldrazz:

Wrong thread. :O

[Cmill216]

The Giants didn't even have a great regular season. Them winning it all was a case of a team getting hot at the right time. Eli Manning had a rather terrible regular season, but all of a sudden turns into Johnny Dynamo in the playoffs.

Do I think they'll be a solid team next year? I wouldn't doubt it. But I'm not even gonna consider them repeating, whatsoever.

[Cmill216]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/04/11/gumbel.ap/index.html

Bryant Gumbel has given up his role as an NFL Network play-by-play announcer after two seasons.

The NFL Network said Friday it was looking for a new play-by-play announcer to work with Cris Collinsworth on the network's Thursday and Saturday night games.

"I thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to call NFL Network games the past two years, which was a new experience for me," Gumbel said in a statement. "But we've agreed that we'd all be better served going in different directions."

[Mister J]

Bryant Gumbel has given up his role as an NFL Network play-by-play announcer after two seasons.
:applaud

And I don't even have NFL Network. :o

[Excel]

What you mean no more epic calls during huge sports moments?

Like that astounding call when Brady bombed his 50th to Moss for his 24rd? To give the Pats the lead and asure 16-0 was a go?

Who could forget
fGWjti8fWAs

[FaT_tONle]

:applaud

And I don't even have NFL Network. :o

Yeah I'm sure he gave it up on his own terms... who to bring in now? I say just get one of the cable regulars from the other networks like USA and TBS... what's that guys name? Not like they need a huge name considering there are like 8 games tops every year on that network.

[Alex The Great]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/04/11/gumbel.ap/index.html

Bryant Gumbel has given up his role as an NFL Network play-by-play announcer after two seasons.

The NFL Network said Friday it was looking for a new play-by-play announcer to work with Cris Collinsworth on the network's Thursday and Saturday night games.

"I thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to call NFL Network games the past two years, which was a new experience for me," Gumbel said in a statement. "But we've agreed that we'd all be better served going in different directions."
this clearly meens God is a Football fan.
And i've heard a rumor that Calvin Johnson might be traded to the Patriots. :huh::up:

[Showtime]

???

[Alex The Great]

i know. some doofus buddy of mine Emailed me. just some silly email he gave me saying ''I heard Calvin Johnson to be traded to the Pats.''
He's an idiot anyway. so hell no it aint gonna happen.

[Immortalfire]

Johnson the Bug isn't that good anyway.

[Alex The Great]

So Cmill wasted his 07 off season worshipping Him? :huh::o

[Alex The Great]

The on-and-off trade talks between Dallas and Tennessee are on again, in a big way.
The Cowboys and Titans spent Saturday going back and forth on proposals, getting considerably closer to a trade that would send talented, but troubled, cornerback Adam “Pacman” Jones to Dallas.
One person familiar with the talks said they were nearing a deal, but it was not done yet. However, it now sounds as if it could be done this week, well before the April 26-27 draft.
Just last week, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said talks were at a standstill, but those talks were quickly jumpstarted over the weekend with a series of phone calls between the two teams.
Dallas had been offering one of their two sixth-round picks.
Tennessee has been holding out, refusing to budge for anything less than a fourth-round pick. Plus, Dallas wanted to attach conditions to the trade in which it could receive a draft pick back from Tennessee if Jones got into more trouble in his new city.
Now, the two sides are nearing compromise. The deal could be completed by Tuesday, which also happens to be the time that Jones' agent, Manny Arora, said Jones plans to apply for reinstatement to the NFL. It was one year ago this past week that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Jones.
Goodell plans to review whether to reinstate Jones shortly before training camp, however Arora is likely to push for an even quicker decision.
Should the trade become official, it would not change Dallas' draft strategy in any way. The Cowboys would proceed as if they did not have Jones, as if they still had a need at cornerback, knowing they could not count on Jones to be reinstated.


NFL.COM

This'll be eiter a good move or a bad move for the Cowgirls IMO.

[Cmill216]

So Cmill wasted his 07 off season worshipping Him? :huh::o

Pretty much. :hehe:

[Cmill216]

Thought this was pretty interesting:

The 2007 New York Giants: Worst Super Bowl Champion ever? (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=479)

Some dude brought out the math guns to analyze this.

[Erzengel]

I don't agree with the verbage of "worst" it gives the connotation that they don't deserve the Superbowl Win. :down

[Dark Donnie]

Thought this was pretty interesting:

The 2007 New York Giants: Worst Super Bowl Champion ever? (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=479)

Some dude brought out the math guns to analyze this.
I don't agree with the verbage of "worst" it gives the connotation that they don't deserve the Superbowl Win. :down

I agree with that to a degree(there not the worst team to ever win a SB), I don't think they were the best team in the league last year.

[Erzengel]

They weren't the best team, but they were the better team. :o

[Mee]

I'm gonna miss Gumbel. He sucked, but in a good/funny way. :(


Oh and-

This'll be eiter a good move or a bad move for the Cowgirls IMO.

Genius.

[Erzengel]

Hahahaha. Very profound.

In other news, the Cowboys may or may not win the Superbowl next year. More information as it develops.

[Matt]

I agree with that to a degree(there not the worst team to ever win a SB), I don't think they were the best team in the league last year.

That is the downside of NFL playoffs. The best team does not always win. If the Superbowl were a 7 game series, of course the Patriots would've dominated. As it is, they are not. You do not need to be the best team in the league. You simply have to be the better team on the sundays you play for 3 to 4 weeks

[Erzengel]

So you feel that way about the Steelers 2 years ago? :huh:

[Showtime]

I rather the team I route for be the worst Superbowl team ever than the best team never to win the Superbowl.

[Matt]

So you feel that way about the Steelers 2 years ago? :huh:

In all honesty. Yes. The Colts, and even the Bengals were all superior teams. But they were not the better teams on the Sundays which they played and in the NFL that is what matters.

[Erzengel]

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=4818608c-6706-428b-884b-67bc3d6e9e57

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=eb02d6f7-7418-44f4-8cdc-b28766c052e6

Cartman teaching Inner City Youths how to succeed.

[Cmill216]

I don't agree with the verbage of "worst" it gives the connotation that they don't deserve the Superbowl Win. :down

It's not to take away from what they accomplished. Being in this particular discussion at all, in a sense, is a compliment.

It's to put their win into perspective by comparing them as a unit to the other 41 championship teams.

I agree with that to a degree(there not the worst team to ever win a SB), I don't think they were the best team in the league last year.

No doubt about it. What it came down to was a team finding a rhythm at exactly right time, and finding ways to win the matchups they were presented in the playoffs. Their playoff run, IMO, is the greatest of all time.

That is the downside of NFL playoffs. The best team does not always win. If the Superbowl were a 7 game series, of course the Patriots would've dominated. As it is, they are not. You do not need to be the best team in the league. You simply have to be the better team on the sundays you play for 3 to 4 weeks

QFT

In all honesty. Yes. The Colts, and even the Bengals were all superior teams.

I'm not so sure I agree. The Steelers in 2005 were the exact same team that went 15-1 in 2004, except Big Ben missed several games due to injury. If I'm not mistaken he was 9-2 in the games he started that year, 13-2 if you include the playoff run.

That's why I put that Steeler team over this year's Giants.

[Mee]

That is the downside of NFL playoffs. The best team does not always win. If the Superbowl were a 7 game series, of course the Patriots would've dominated. As it is, they are not. You do not need to be the best team in the league. You simply have to be the better team on the sundays you play for 3 to 4 weeks

That's what's great about it though. You get one game, one chance. Way more drama.

[Excel]

NYG desevres props because they won the super bowl, but if you had to guage success on the entire season, it got pats, cowboys, colts, packers...giants somewhere around #10.

[Mee]

You judge success by who wins the championship. :huh: G-Men are #1.

[Cmill216]

Oh Excel. :heart:

[Excel]

I am aware of that, that is why I said "but if you had to guage success on the entire season, it got pats, cowboys, colts, packers...giants somewhere around #10."

Giants werent the best team in the NFL last year, and that is as accurate as syaing The Giants won the super bowl. Its whoevers the best that Sunday, like it or not. Pats chose the wrong game to play like crap while Giants chose perfect time to get hot.

Thats what happened, deal with it. Noones discrediting what they did.

Super Bowl > Most successful season.

[Erzengel]

The entire season includes the post season. :huh:

[Excel]

The entire season includes the post season. :huh:

The 2 records are 18-1 and 14-6 so you tell me who the more sucessful was over the whole season??

Who was successful in the super bowl is a different story which nobody is arguing so I dont know what you or Mee are trying to get at...

[Erzengel]

You are arguing who has the better record statistically and a 18-1 record is usually greater than 14-6 except when you talk about football when a 14-6 includes a Superbowl Win it's greater than 18-1 with a Superbowl Loss, and that's just how football is.

[Excel]

18-1 record is usually greater than 14-6

That was my point :up:

They lost the super bowl because they played like ****, we all know that. It is my opinion if they played again, Pas would own.

[Erzengel]

In terms of winning percentage 18-1 is better than 14-6, however in terms of football a 14-6 with a SB Win is better than 18-1 with a SB Loss.

[Excel]

So the Giants had a better super bowl game. Look, Ill spare the argument, the Pats were the most talented team like year, thats all.

[Erzengel]

But A) you are rehashing the same old tirade as when the Giants won like over 2 months ago, and B) it seems like you are giving a backhanded compliment (Giants won BUT they are only like 10th last year) in order to elevate the Patriots above them. That's what I'm taking from your last few posts.

[Alex The Great]

Dear Excel. Tom Brady shakes his head at your constant argument that the Pats were robbed.

[Excel]

Psh, every person on that team woudl agree with me. The Giants played better when it counted, but the Pats were the better of the 2.

[Erzengel]

Wow, so everyone who's employed by the Patriots would say that they were the better team? :huh:

[Alex The Great]

Psh, every person on that team woudl agree with me. The Giants played better when it counted, but the Pats were the better of the 2.
excuses. Th Pats BARELY beat em in week 17. Giants were ready. It's mutha freking APRIL!!! Let it go.

[Matt]

I'm not so sure I agree. The Steelers in 2005 were the exact same team that went 15-1 in 2004, except Big Ben missed several games due to injury. If I'm not mistaken he was 9-2 in the games he started that year, 13-2 if you include the playoff run.

That's why I put that Steeler team over this year's Giants.

Well, that is a fair point. Never-the-less, The Steelers got lucky that Carson Palmer got injured so early, otherwise it would've been a much harder fight. And who can forget the last second Big Ben tackle in the Colts game? Luck played a big part in the Steelers Superbowl run.

[Matt]

That's what's great about it though. You get one game, one chance. Way more drama.

Without a doubt. It is the reason the NCAA tournament is so much more exciting than the NBA play-offs and why Football has become America's new pasttime. Far more on the line in each game, makes it that much more fun to watch.

[Cmill216]

Well, that is a fair point. Never-the-less, The Steelers got lucky that Carson Palmer got injured so early, otherwise it would've been a much harder fight. And who can forget the last second Big Ben tackle in the Colts game? Luck played a big part in the Steelers Superbowl run

That's the case for every champion. No matter how good you are, it still takes a good deal of fortune to win the 3 or 4 straight games needed to capture a Super Bowl. A fumble here, a dropped pass there can change the complexion of any game.

The Patriots wouldn't have won in 2001 without the Tuck Rule. The 99 Rams were 1 yard away from having to go to overtime. Rich Gannon getting knocked out of the AFC Championship benefitted Baltimore. The Giants with Tyree's catch and Rodney Harrison dropping a surefire interception.

It's just how it is.

[cyborg ninja 14]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3346240

I found this interesting to say the least.

[Alex The Great]

poor guy

[Immortalfire]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3346240

I found this interesting to say the least.

Herschel :csad:

[Mee]

I am aware of that, that is why I said "but if you had to guage success on the entire season, it got pats, cowboys, colts, packers...giants somewhere around #10."

Go ask a Patriot if they'd trade being 18-1 for being 14-6 and Super Bowl champs. See what they say. :o

[FaT_tONle]

Excel.... in about ten years... see a neurosurgeon... and have them disconnect the circuitry that causes you to recollect what happened in the Superbowl. Hopefully the technology will be available then... maybe there will even be a Total Recall place where you can fix up your head, making you imagine yourself as Tom Brady playing and winning that game too. Give it some time.

[Alex The Great]

Ok excel, that's it. your annoying. Ok. i'm fine with dat. you never shut up some times. ok. i'm ok with dat. But now you have pushed the line! The Patriots would not say they were robbed. they played poorly. The Giants didn't. For not being quiet about this you will get the etarnal flame of damnaition! Good day, Sir! :cmad:

[Malice]

Well the draft is almost here...
How are the big picks?
Who looks to draft them?

Any good links to see what the early drafts are?

[Darthphere]

That's what's great about it though. You get one game, one chance. Way more drama.

Like that Eminem song.

[KALEL114]

Well the draft is almost here...
How are the big picks?
Who looks to draft them?

Any good links to see what the early drafts are?

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2008/2008_nfl_mock_draft.cfm?writer=28

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8073ce36&template=with-video&confirm=true

[Immortalfire]

Ok excel, that's it. your annoying. Ok. i'm fine with dat. you never shut up some times. ok. i'm ok with dat. But now you have pushed the line! The Patriots would not say they were robbed. they played poorly. The Giants didn't. For not being quiet about this you will get the etarnal flame of damnaition! Good day, Sir! :cmad:

Learn to spell, dammit.

[BlackLantern]

Pacman Jones should not be reinstated into the NFL. The Hammer (aka Roger Goodell) should make an example and a statement. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and as a professional athlete you should hold yourself to a higher standard....(ie not being in strip clubs at 3am and throwing money at strippers)

[Kaleb]

Here is a mock Draft im currently participating in



1. Miami Dolphins

Team Representative: r3b3lli0n

Team Needs: OT, DE, CB, WR, S, QB, LB

The Selection: Chris Long, DE, University Of Virginia

Analysis: A team coming off a 1-15 season and having a history of poor drafting for the most part of the last decade has needs all over the place. With no clear-cut must draft player at #1 the Dolphins do well with Chris Long to improve a defensive line that maybe sooner rather than later will lose perennial probowler Jason Taylor, to another team via a much sought after trade, or to some other television show. Long has the physical tools, the work ethic and, what tipped the scales for me in his favor, the pedigree. Having been coached by a Parcells guy, (Giants, Patriots, Jets) Al Groh, should only make the pro-transition easier for a player with so many things going for him already.


2. St. Louis Rams

Team Representative: TaZZ

Team Needs: DE, OL, CB, S, WR, OLB

The Selection: Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State University

Analysis: The Rams have not had a defense that can even be considered solid in a long time. Most of their needs are on that side of the ball and they make an effort to correct it right here. Gholston is a physical freak (6'3, 266) with speed in the mid 4's and strength in the top of the draft class. He's also a natural pass rusher (14.5 sacks including the only one Jake Long surrendered last year). Putting him on a team which managed only 5.5 sacks from their DE's last year would be HUGE. Though physical freak doesn't always mean an awesome football player at the next level (Vernon Davis), I believe he is the real deal and will instantly improve all aspects of our defense. No longer will QB's have all day to pick our secondary apart.

Although some would say OL is a bigger need for the Rams, I disagree. Our line, when healthy is average, not spectacular, but we have worked to improve it. Signing Jacob Bell ( G, from TEN) will add some nice depth, as will getting back the 6 guys that were on IR. Jake Long is a terrific prospect, but drafting OL this early is often a huge risk (Robert Gallery). Most GM's believe that building OL in the later rounds is the best way to go. So, the pick is Gholston over Long.


3. Atlanta Falcons


Team Representative: Bohern

Team Needs: QB, TE, OL, DL

The Selection: Jake Long, OT Michigan

Analysis: The Falcons need a Quarterback, but with Long on the board this is too good to pass up. The senior offesive tackle gave Michigan 3 Offensive Lineman of the Year awards in the last four seasons. In his last 26 contests, he allowed just three QB sacks and was peanalized only once on 1,743 offensive plays. Bottom line the guy is smart, good and durable. He will make a fine addition to a team that is also in desparate need on the offesive line. This pick should make new FA RB Michael Turner feel better and whoever is drafted for Falcons at QB in round two.


4. Oakland Raiders

Team Representitive: SJSwarm

Team Needs: DE, OT, OLB, C

The Selection: Darren McFadden RB Arkansas

Analysis: Giggle all you like ladies, IF the 1st 3 picks went like they did in this increasingly ridiculous mock, the Raiders will take McFadden and then move him. He will be a Raider for about as long as Eli Manning was a Charger. I would expect if the 1st 3 picks play out like this we will take DMC and look to trade him to whoever takes Keith Rivers, Derrick Harvey or Ryan Clady, who all fill our needs better than DMC.

5. Kansas City


Team Needs: Umm, everything

The Selection: Ryan Clady, OT Boise State

Analysis:For years KC received rave reviews on their OLine but those reviews included the words "but aging" for a few too many years. Well, age caught up to them, all at once, and in a hurry. The rebuilding project begins in the trenches. Clady should be equipped to handle anchoring the left side of the line for the next decade. If not, what's great about most OL's, he can move to and learn another position.

[Showtime]

Full NFL Schedule:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d807c555e&template=without-video&confirm=true

[BlackLantern]

is it me or am I the only one that doesn't get all spun up about mock drafts...the draft comes when it comes....

[Mee]

is it me or am I the only one that doesn't get all spun up about mock drafts...the draft comes when it comes....
Yeah, the pre-Draft hype is crazy.


NFL Network replayed the broadcast of LAST YEAR's Draft the other day. :huh: I don't even follow it after the first round. (I do check who all the Cowboys drafted, when it's all over)

[Showtime]

I saw that, I thought I was drunk.

[SurfDUI]

Sunday, Nov. 2New England Patriots at Your Indianapolis Colts8:15 p.m.NBC

I know these are two of the NFL's flagship teams, but dammitt. Put them back in the Gdamn division already.

[KALEL114]

Cowboys schedule looks good. Why 2 Mon. games for Philly? Oh well, can't wait to get the season started.

[Dark Donnie]

Cowboys schedule looks good. Why 2 Mon. games for Philly? Oh well, can't wait to get the season started.

Eagles get 5 Primetime games including Thanksgiving :up:

Where expected to be much better this year, one game out of the playoffs last year, and Mcnabb is now healthy

[KALEL114]

Eagles get 5 Primetime games including Thanksgiving :up:
Where expected to be much better this year, one game out of the playoffs last year, and Mcnabb is now healthy
:down
:yay:

This is going to be great divission race. Excluding Wash. of course.

[Cmill216]

Thoughts:
- The Patriots have it easy.
- The Steelers play the Chargers, Colts, Pats, and Cowboys in a span of five weeks. *dies*
- Solid schedule for YOUR NFC South Champions.
- Fairly challenging schedule for the World Champs.

[Dark Donnie]

:down
:yay:

This is going to be great divission race. Excluding Wash. of course.

I agree, every year people think Washington are going to get better they take a step back. Adding a new coach doesn't help there cause this year either.

[FaT_tONle]

Wtf? Have you guys seen the Pats first 5 games??? Completely laughable... as long as they get by the injury bug they should be able to get another bye this year... then again I could see them collapsing in the second half and ending up 10-6. Same goes with the Giants... Cowboys have a pretty tough schedule... I mean they got the sandwich breather games here and there with teams like San Fran and Baltimore... I don't know why the NFL schedules the Eagles and Packer game so early when both those games will have playoff implications down the line... at least they get both Giant games late. Anyways... nothing too eye-catching here... other than the NFC East games and the other marquee matchups... there really isn't much else to look forward to.

[Cmill216]

Here is a mock Draft im currently participating in

2. St. Louis Rams

The Selection: Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State University

Makes no sense. Gholston is a surefire 3-4 linebacker prospect. Rams don't run the 3-4. Where would he play?

[BlackLantern]

Your Super Bowl Champion New York Giants will be fine....I'm never happy with their schedule as regardless of the season they have, they always get every playoff team out of the division from the previous season....

[KALEL114]

Makes no sense. Gholston is a surefire 3-4 linebacker prospect. Rams don't run the 3-4. Where would he play?

I think Jake Long makes more sense for them.

[KALEL114]

Your Super Bowl Champion New York Giants will be fine....I'm never happy with their schedule as regardless of the season they have, they always get every playoff team out of the division from the previous season....

A week 4 bye can hurt though.

[Immortalfire]

Decent schedule for da Falcons, but who knows what we'll do with it.

Patriots' schedule is as easy as pie. :whatever:

[BlackLantern]

Patriots' schedule is easier than a cheerleader at a kegger...

[Excel]

Looks 16-0 part deux is a go! :up:

Ok excel, that's it. your annoying. Ok. i'm fine with dat. you never shut up some times. ok. i'm ok with dat. But now you have pushed the line! The Patriots would not say they were robbed. they played poorly. The Giants didn't. For not being quiet about this you will get the etarnal flame of damnaition! Good day, Sir! :cmad:

Your telling me that Brady, Moss and all those guys, after the season they had, honestly believe the Giants are a better team...gimme a break. They have a class, but I gaurentee you they think they shoulda won in private. Not so much due to rules, they just think their the better team.

[Kaleb]

Makes no sense. Gholston is a surefire 3-4 linebacker prospect. Rams don't run the 3-4. Where would he play?maybe he is going to be used at DE :huh:

[Arc-Light]

maybe he is going to be used at DE :huh:

He was a DE at Ohio State, he will be a DE in the NFL.

[Excel]

maybe he is going to be used at DE :huh:

Gholston will be modeled after the DeMarcus Ware/Adalius Thoms/Shaune Merriman type. However, now ay he goes to St Lous; they will take whichever Long is remaining and at this point it looks like itll be Chris.

This is the best Ive seen


1. Miami: JAKE LONG OT


2. St. Louis: CHRIS LONG DE
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3. Atlanta: GLENN DORSEY DT
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4. Oakland: DARREN MCFADDEN HB
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5. Kansas City: SEDRICK ELLIS DT


6. New York Jets: VERNON GHOLSTON OLB


7. New England: LEODIS MCKELVIN CB
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8. Baltimore: MATT RYAN QB
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9. Cincinatti: RESHARD MENDENHALL HB
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10. New Orleans: DOMINIQUE RODGERS CROMART CB


11. Buffalo: MALCOLM KELLY WR
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12. Denver: KENNY PHILLIPS S
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13. Carolina: RYAN CLADY OT


14. Chicago: JONATHAN STEWART HB
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15. Detroit: BRANDEN ALBERT OT


16. Arizona: KIETH RIVERS OLB


17. Minnesota: PHILLIP HARVEY DE


18. Houston: JEFF OTAH OT


19. Philadelphia: DEVIN THOMAS WR
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20. Tampa Bay: DESEAN JACKSON WR
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21. Washington: CALAIS CAMPBELL, DE


22. Dallas: MIKE JENKINS CB


23. Pittsburg: CHRIS WILLIAMS OT


24. Tennessee: LIMAS SWEED WR
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25. Seattle: KENTRICK BALMER DT


26. Jacksonville: PHILLIP MERLING DE


27. San Diego: SAM BAKER OT


28. Dallas: FELIX JONES HB
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29. San Francisco: DAN CONNOR OLB


30. Green Bay: ANTONIE CARSON CB


31. New York Giants: JAROD MAYO ILB

Noteable 2nd round picks...Miami-Chad Henne, Atlanta-Joe Flacco, Dallas-Mario Manningham, Tennesee-Chris Johnson.

[Arc-Light]

Gholston will be modeled after the DeMarcus Ware/Adalius Thoms/Shaune Merriman type. However, now ay he goes to St Lous; they will take whichever Long is remaining and at this point it looks like itll be Chris.

This is the best Ive seen

Gholston will not be used as a OLB....i know this.

[Alex The Great]

Has this off-season being really quiet or is it just me? :huh::csad:

Me want big moves and trades that shock the internets!!!! :cmad:

[Excel]

Thats where most teams want to put him.

[BlackLantern]

I never got the whole mock draft thing.....is it just an activity to make people feel better...that if your mock draft lines up that you know just as much as the teams' making the decisions...is it a self-esteem booster??

[Cmill216]

maybe he is going to be used at DE :huh:

He was a DE at Ohio State, he will be a DE in the NFL.

He's too small to be a 4-3 defensive end in the NFL. Just because he played DE at Ohio State doesn't mean a thing when you translate his skill set to the pros. He's a 3-4 pass-rushing LB.

[FaT_tONle]

If Gholston isn't that prototypical off the edge hybrid 3-4 guy then I don't know why every mock draft would have him going to the Jets... that's their number 1 need after QB.

My early mock draft btw: I think it will go... J. Long, C. Long, Ryan, Dorsey, Clady/Ellis, Gholston, McLevin, D-Mac (Dallas)... if McFadden falls and Jerry can't make a deal for a receiver... look for him to pull the trigger... I think the two picks and a player or a fourth rounder or a pick next year should do it.

[Arc-Light]

He's too small to be a 4-3 defensive end in the NFL. Just because he played DE at Ohio State doesn't mean a thing when you translate his skill set to the pros. He's a 3-4 pass-rushing LB.

He has the strength and speed to be a great DE.....but he did drop back a lot in the 4-3 at OSU, so a rushing OLB is not out of the question. But he would be a huge advantage in the DE spot.

[The Game]

Patriots' schedule is easier than a cheerleader at a kegger...

Looking at that schedule, I say 14-2 is realistic. They play on the road at Indy again? how does this happen, somebody explained it to me but I have forgotten it

[FaT_tONle]

Indy had to go to Foxboro in 05 and 06 I believe... its all balanced out... I hate when people ***** about the schedules... heck you can figure out the home and away schedule for your team in 2035 if you wanted to for 14/16 opponents. Everything was set back in 02.

[Erzengel]

I never got the whole mock draft thing.....is it just an activity to make people feel better...that if your mock draft lines up that you know just as much as the teams' making the decisions...is it a self-esteem booster??

People like to feel part of something bigger sometimes, like they are an expert or "in the know". Or maybe it's just a long time between the beginning of February and beginning of September and they need something to keep them busy.

[Dark Donnie]

...
Matt Ryan-QB-Player Apr. 16 - 8:35 am et

The Panthers are interested in QB Matt Ryan if he falls to them at No. 13 in the draft.

The team is allegedly so high on Ryan that he'd be their choice if they had the No. 1 pick. Conventional wisdom has the Panthers drafting an offensive tackle, defensive end, or even a running back in the first round, but a franchise-altering quarterback may be too enticing to pass up.
Source: Charlotte Observer

Darren McFadden-RB-Player Apr. 16 - 12:13 am et

ESPN's Bill Williamson reports there are "major rumblings" that Raiders owner Al Davis will take Darren McFadden with the No. 4 overall pick.

If Lane Kiffin says Oakland doesn't need another tailback, Davis is probably thinking the exact opposite. Davis loves measurables, and other than Vernon Gholston, no one has better on-paper numbers than the Arkansas runner. Kiffin is likely hoping for a defensive lineman, but he isn't calling any shots.
Source: Hashmarks Blog
Related: Jets, Raiders


Glenn Dorsey-DL-Player Apr. 16 - 12:02 am et

Citing sources close to the team and the player, Yahoo Sports reports the Patriots are considering trading up in the draft for Glenn Dorsey.

The Patriots are not in the least known for trading up in drafts, and would potentially have to get to the second spot to land LSU's defensive tackle. At 6'2/299, Dorsey also has an uncertain position in a 3-4 defense emphasizing size like New England's. A Patriots move up seems pretty unlikely.
Source: Yahoo Sports
Related: Patriots, Rams

[Immortalfire]

McFadden had better win Al a Super Bowl his first year, or he'll get traded to someone else.

[Dark Donnie]

Immortal
D.J. Shockley-QB-Falcons Apr. 16 - 9:26 am et

Falcons QB D.J. Shockley (torn ACL) is targeting a mid-May Falcons minicamp to return to the field.

By then, he may be Atlanta's fourth quarterback. Drafted two coaches ago, the local hero may need an injury to a teammates to make the club.
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

[Dark Donnie]

...

Devin Hester-WR-Bears Apr. 16 - 11:05 am et

According to Deion Sanders on the NFL Network's "Total Access," Bears KR/WR Devin Hester is unhappy with his contract and wants to be paid among the league's best.

Add him to the list of Bears including Brian Urlacher and Tommie Harris who are looking for new deals. Hester has two years remaining on his rookie contract and won't be an easy problem to solve, but the team is $16 million under the cap and would like to extend both Hester and Harris.
Source: Chicago Sun Times
Related: Brian Urlacher, Tommie Harris


Rashard Mendenhall-RB-Player Apr. 16 - 10:39 am et

The Broncos will visit with RB Rashard Mendenhall and OT Gosder Cherilus this week.

The team has obviously soured on Travis Henry as a reliable starter and sees Selvin Young as a complementary/change of pace back. Mendenhall is the type of one-cut runner who could flourish in Denver's zone-blocking scheme.
Source: Denver Post
Related: Travis Henry, Selvin Young


Darrell Jackson-WR-49ers Apr. 16 - 10:32 am et

Free agent WR Darrell Jackson is in Denver to take a physical today.

The two sides have already agreed on the financial parameters of a contract, so it appears an official announcement is imminent. D-Jax would likely line up opposite Brandon Marshall and ensure that the Broncos will not address wide receiver early in the draft. He's no longer a guarantee to remain startable as a fantasy entity, but Denver is a nice opportunity to try to rehab his value.
Source: Denver Post
Related: Brandon Stokley, Keary Colbert

[Immortalfire]

Immortal

DJ forever :up:

[Excel]

Glenn Dorsey-DL-Player Apr. 16 - 12:02 am et

Citing sources close to the team and the player, Yahoo Sports reports the Patriots are considering trading up in the draft for Glenn Dorsey.

The Patriots are not in the least known for trading up in drafts, and would potentially have to get to the second spot to land LSU's defensive tackle. At 6'2/299, Dorsey also has an uncertain position in a 3-4 defense emphasizing size like New England's. A Patriots move up seems pretty unlikely.
Source: Yahoo Sports

What? If they trade for #2 theyll take Gholston or Chris Long; not friggin Glenn Dorsey.


Rashard Mendenhall-RB-Player Apr. 16 - 10:39 am et

The Broncos will visit with RB Rashard Mendenhall and OT Gosder Cherilus this week.

The team has obviously soured on Travis Henry as a reliable starter and sees Selvin Young as a complementary/change of pace back. Mendenhall is the type of one-cut runner who could flourish in Denver's zone-blocking scheme.
Source: Denver Post
Related: Travis Henry, Selvin Young

Its been reported that Denver hopes to draft Jamaal Charles in round 2. That seems more likely.

[Cmill216]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24149050/

3. Panthers at Chargers
This has to be the best game of Week 1. It’s on Sept. 7 and it brings one of the NFC’s stingiest run defenses against LaDainian Tomlinson, the game’s best running back. It also features two teams with serious Super Bowl aspirations.

:huh:

[Immortalfire]

I shall endeavor to lead my guys to lay teh smackdown on Tomlinson and da Chargers.

[Raiden]

Personally, I'm leaning toward having Jets draft Ryan if he falls to #6. Although they passed up Leinart, I think Jets won't be able to compete unless they have a franchise QB. It's not to say that Ryan will become one, but Jets have to take a chance because I don't think Pennington and Clement are the answer.

[Erzengel]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24149050/



:huh:

Sunday Night Football
Preseason
Aug. 3, 8 ET - Redskins vs. Colts
Aug. 28, 7 ET - Jaguars @ Redskins

Regular season
Sept. 4, 7 ET - Redskins @ Giants
Sept. 7, 8:15 ET - Bears @ Colts
Sept. 14, 8:15 ET - Steelers @ Browns
Sept. 21, 8:15 ET - Cowboys @ Packers
Sept. 28, 8:15 ET - Eagles @ Bears
Oct. 5, 8:15 ET - Steelers @ Jaguars
Oct. 12, 8:15 ET - Patriots @ Chargers
Oct. 19, 8:15 ET - Seahawks @ Bucs
Nov. 2, 8:15 ET - Patriots @ Colts
Nov. 9, 8:15 ET - Giants @ Eagles
Nov. 16, 8:15 ET - Cowboys @ Redskins (FLEX)
Nov. 23, 8:15 ET - Colts @ Chargers (FLEX)
Nov. 30, 8:15 ET - Bears @ Vikings (FLEX)
Dec. 7, 8:15 ET - Patriots @ Seahawks (FLEX)
Dec. 14, 8:15 ET - Giants @ Cowboys (FLEX)
Dec. 21, 8:15 ET - Chargers @ Bucs (FLEX)
Dec. 28, 8:15 ET - TBD (FLEX)

[Erzengel]

New York Giant Schedule

9/4/2008 7:00 pm vs. Washington Redskins NBC
9/14/2008 1:00 pm @ St. Louis Rams FOX
9/21/2008 1:00 pm vs. Cincinnati Bengals CBS
BYE WEEK
10/5/2008 1:00 pm vs. Seattle Seahawks FOX
10/13/2008 8:30 pm @ Cleveland Browns ESPN
10/19/2008 1:00 pm vs. San Francisco 49ers FOX
10/26/2008 4:15 pm @ Pittsburgh Steelers FOX
11/2/2008 4:15 pm vs. Dallas Cowboys FOX
11/9/2008 8:15 pm @ Philadelphia Eagles NBC
11/16/2008 1:00 pm vs. Baltimore Ravens CBS
11/23/2008 4:15 pm @ Arizona Cardinals FOX
11/30/2008 1:00 pm @ Washington Redskins FOX
12/7/2008 1:00 pm vs. Philadelphia Eagles FOX
12/14/2008 8:15 pm @ Dallas Cowboys NBC
12/21/2008 1:00 pm vs. Carolina Panthers FOX
12/28/2008 1:00 pm @ Minnesota Vikings FOX

[SurfDUI]

Sunday Night Football
Preseason
Aug. 3, 8 ET - Redskins vs. Colts

Regular season
Sept. 7, 8:15 ET - Bears @ Colts



Chill, chill I know everyone is excited about seeing the new Lucas Oil stadium, new home of Your Indianapolis COLTS. The practiced the pulley system on the retractable roof yesterday.:cwink:

[Dark Donnie]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24149050/



:huh:

:huh: @ Carolina having SB aspirations? Carolina is on there twice as Gem games...

[Cmill216]

:huh: @ Carolina having SB aspirations? Carolina is on there twice as Gem games...

That's what I'm saying. Makes no sense. :confused:

And dude called them a fierce defense? They were 16th in the league last year. :dry:

[Erzengel]

I think he meant "farce" defense.

[SurfDUI]

That's what I'm saying. Makes no sense. :confused:

And dude called them a fierce defense? They were 16th in the league last year. :dry:


I know The league want's 'push' certain teams, as well as trying to balance out the 32. I don't live in the Carolina market, so I don't see it either, but as a general superfan I know the Panthers have been the biggest overall season to season disapointment over the last few years, w/ the most talent, save from last season and injuries. They and Jax were the last two expansions, Jax done bout as well as they should, but the Panthers:huh:

[Dark Donnie]

That's what I'm saying. Makes no sense. :confused:

And dude called them a fierce defense? They were 16th in the league last year. :dry:

I can't see there Defense doing anything next year, I like Beason, but they've lost some players the last couple of years.

He has to have Carolina ties or something. Every year though its the same story with them, someone picks them to go to the SB, they don't, and they talk about how injuries killed them all year and they didn't play up to their ability. I feel like that has been the case like the last three years. I bet someone picks them again.

[Orson_Randall]

I have never seen a monday night schedule so horrible...do the Giants only have ONE MNF game?

[Cmill216]

Ever since they went to the Super Bowl, people keep expecting them to be this NFC juggernaut.

People keep forgetting, they went 11-5 that year, but with a total point differential of a whopping 21. The Cardiac Cats were what you'd call a fluke.

They haven't been to the playoffs in three seasons, but two of their games are highlights? The hell?

[Erzengel]

Giants have one MNF and a SNF.

[Cmill216]

Giants have one MNF and a SNF.

And Cleveland has three MNFs.

Genius.

[Orson_Randall]

Giants have one MNF and a SNF.
That is not right...is one of those against the cowboys?

I glanced over the MNF games yesterday and was shocked to see the lackluster match ups

[Dark Donnie]

...
Chad calls out Palmer, demands trade again

After reading that Carson Palmer said he plans to report to the Bengals "when he has to," Chad Johnson called ESPN's John Clayton, denied saying that, and reiterated that he wants to be "traded before the draft."

"I want to make this very clear," Chad said. "I don't know where (Palmer) got that. Nothing has changed from what I've been saying for three months that I don't want to play for the Bengals. I wish he would stay out of my business. I want to be traded before the draft, and if that doesn't happen, I want to be traded as soon as possible. I don't intend on reporting to anything." Apr. 16 - 2:45 pm et
Source: ESPN.com

[Cmill216]

Oh snaps. I just saw New Orleans schedule.

They play a home game against the Raiders on October 12.
They don't play in New Orleans again until November 24.

:eek:

[Dark Donnie]

Oh snaps. I just saw New Orleans schedule.

They play a home game against the Raiders on October 12.
They don't play in New Orleans again until November 24.

:eek:

Also have to travel to England

[Erzengel]

And Cleveland has three MNFs.

Genius.So does Green Bay.

[Erzengel]

That is not right...is one of those against the cowboys?

I glanced over the MNF games yesterday and was shocked to see the lackluster match ups

Sunday Night against Washington. Monday Night against Cleveland.

[SurfDUI]

"I want to make this very clear," Chad said. "I don't know where (Palmer) got that. Nothing has changed from what I've been saying for three months that I don't want to play for the Bengals. I wish he would stay out of my business. I want to be traded before the draft, and if that doesn't happen, I want to be traded as soon as possible. I don't intend on reporting to anything." Apr. 16 - 2:45 pm et

:huh: He makes it hard to dig him- Corey Dillon set records @ Cinci and left w/out making TOO much fuss, not like Ocho, Has he even been to the playoffs? How long will it be before he backpeddels again.

Housh don't make that kind of noise, He's the one who should have demanded a trade, but he was loyal to the chick he came to the dance w/.

[Orson_Randall]

And Cleveland has three MNFs.

Genius.

So does Green Bay.
yeah that stood out to me! makes no sense!

Clevland at least was on the rise, but they are not going to be a power house.

however the Green bay having 3 MNF makes NO SENSE! they knew Favre was not coming back when they made the schdule.

guess they just want to have 3 games this year that they can talk about how GREAT HE WAS during the entire telecast talking over pivotal moments in the game..

[Orson_Randall]

:huh: He makes it hard to dig him- Corey Dillon set records @ Cinci and left w/out making TOO much fuss, not like Ocho, Has he even been to the playoffs? How long will it be before he backpeddels again.

Housh don't make that kind of noise, He's the one who should have demanded a trade, but he was loyal to the chick he came to the dance w/.

Don't these volitile players undrstand they hurt there own opertunitys with the outspokeness?

Ocho is not as good as he thinks he is...the HOF jacket was when I lost all respect for him

[SurfDUI]

Don't these volitile players undrstand they hurt there own opertunitys with the outspokeness?

Ocho isn't volitile, juvenile maybe, the league's Chief resident showboat for sure, but A. Jones is the face of volitility-I guess that would be off the field. Ocho isn't helping himself.

Ocho is not as good as he thinks he is...

Chad is a annual pro-bowler, and in a crowed field of cold assed wideouts he's in the top tier, but his team ain't got on Defense, and his antics are becoming a distraction, but his team is a bust so he should have some tact...

LOL tact in the NFL thread.:hehe:

[Immortalfire]

yeah that stood out to me! makes no sense!

Clevland at least was on the rise, but they are not going to be a power house.

however the Green bay having 3 MNF makes NO SENSE! they knew Favre was not coming back when they made the schdule.

guess they just want to have 3 games this year that they can talk about how GREAT HE WAS during the entire telecast talking over pivotal moments in the game..


Is Green Bay going to be on NBC Sunday nights? Probably not, it would be too painful for Madden to call a game without Brett on the field.

[Orson_Randall]

Ocho isn't volitile, juvenile maybe, the league's Chief resident showboat for sure, but A. Jones is the face of volitility-I guess that would be off the field. Ocho isn't helping himself.



Chad is a annual pro-bowler, and in a crowed field of cold assed wideouts he's in the top tier, but his team ain't got on Defense, and his antics are becoming a distraction, but his team is a bust so he should have some tact...

LOL tact in the NFL thread.:hehe:

how many TD's did he have last year?

Dude is not THAT good...if it was not for Carson no one would know who Chad was...

[Cmill216]

Dude is not THAT good...if it was not for Carson no one would know who Chad was...

But if it wasn't for Chad, Carson wouldn't be Carson.

[Orson_Randall]

Is Green Bay going to be on NBC Sunday nights? Probably not, it would be too painful for Madden to call a game without Brett on the field.
I bet they have his wife in the booth again.... I hate that ****!

[Immortalfire]

...

What a bunch of twits.

[SurfDUI]

how many TD's did he have last year?

Dude is not THAT good...if it was not for Carson no one would know who Chad was...


He hold his own-despite his mouth.
5 Pro Bowls 2 times all pro.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCh01.htm (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCh01.htm)

[Orson_Randall]

But if it wasn't for Chad, Carson wouldn't be Carson.
to a lesser extent I can agree to that, they are a good combo...Still Chad benifits more...plus having T.J, on the oher sidehelps

[Orson_Randall]

He hold his own-despite his mouth.
5 Pro Bowls 2 times all pro.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCh01.htm (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCh01.htm)
interesting he had the most had the most yards ever last season, yet only 8TD's and 10 is the most he has ever had...

I used to be a Ocho Cinco fan, I am just bitter now cause he is a jack arse...

[Dark Donnie]

to a lesser extent I can agree to that, they are a good combo...Still Chad benifits more...plus having T.J, on the oher sidehelps

TJ wouldn't be TJ without Chad drawing coverage and vice versa....Carson Benefits from it all.

[Orson_Randall]

TJ wouldn't be TJ without Chad drawing coverage and vice versa....Carson Benefits from it all.

What I am saying is

Randy Moss > T.O. > Steve Smith > Brandon Marshall > CJ/TJ

CJ is not going to make the hall of fame....

[Cmill216]

Brandon Marshall > CJ/TJ

Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll no.

[Orson_Randall]

Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll no.
Provided he heals up from his little mishap I think end of the season you will see the truth in my statment.... no one is as agressive after the catch as Uno Cinco

[FaT_tONle]

That is not right...is one of those against the cowboys?

I glanced over the MNF games yesterday and was shocked to see the lackluster match ups

Cause no one gives a **** about MNF anymore. Sunday night is the new prime time slot.

[FaT_tONle]

Personally, I'm leaning toward having Jets draft Ryan if he falls to #6. Although they passed up Leinart, I think Jets won't be able to compete unless they have a franchise QB. It's not to say that Ryan will become one, but Jets have to take a chance because I don't think Pennington and Clement are the answer.

They won't... they might look at a trade with Baltimore or someone if Gholston is off the board... its possible but I doubt it.

[BlackLantern]

Cause no one gives a **** about MNF anymore. Sunday night is the new prime time slot.

if only they could ditch John Madden...sunday nights would be perfect

[Raiden]

Cause no one gives a **** about MNF anymore. Sunday night is the new prime time slot.

Sadly, MNF isn't what it used to be. Losing Michaels and Madden was huge, and their replacements aren't very good imo (evident by the musical chair rotation). I don't think being on ESPN is the problem though; they just need better commentators and better scheduled games.

[BlackLantern]

put Mike Patrick on MNF instead of throwing him on whatever game tends to be happening on a Saturday or Sunday night

[Cmill216]

put Mike Patrick on MNF

Put Mike Patrick on anything.

[BlackLantern]

some people jumped all over Patrick because of the Britney comment....well every commentator has said something dumb at one time or another....but Patrick has a FANTASTIC voice, knows football, and knows how to keep people interested in whats going on

[FaT_tONle]

Sadly, MNF isn't what it used to be. Losing Michaels and Madden was huge, and their replacements aren't very good imo (evident by the musical chair rotation). I don't think being on ESPN is the problem though; they just need better commentators and better scheduled games.

I just think ESPN doesn't have the money to bring in a big time broadcaster... realistically you'd have to raid one of the national networks... Collinsworth will replace Madden so NBC will hold on to him. Bradshaw (he was great in his Sugar Bowl call a couple of years back) is too old and would never go into the booth anyway... frankly ESPN is stuck with its in-house guys... all of whom stink... I can live with Jaws... for now... Tirico has grown thin on me and he isn't that good for that matter. ESPN needs a big time play by play guy that's all there is too it... and I say drop the third guy entirely... the producers over there are so retarded that they'll never bring in the right guy to be that "third" guy.

[BlackLantern]

I just think ESPN doesn't have the money to bring in a big time broadcaster... realistically you'd have to raid one of the national networks... Collinsworth will replace Madden so NBC will hold on to him. Bradshaw (he was great in his Sugar Bowl call a couple of years back) is too old and would never go into the booth anyway... frankly ESPN is stuck with its in-house guys... all of whom stink... I can live with Jaws... for now... Tirico has grown thin on me and he isn't that good for that matter. ESPN needs a big time play by play guy that's all there is too it... and I say drop the third guy entirely... the producers over there are so retarded that they'll never bring in the right guy to be that "third" guy.

they have one...MIKE PATRICK...I've always considered MNF a 3 man show....I grew up with Michaels, Gifford, and Dierdorf...my dad grew up with Cossell, Meredith, Gifford

[Dark Donnie]

...
Report: Saints contact Rams about move up

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Saints have had contact with the Rams about a potential trade up in the NFL Draft.
Schefter calls the talks "preliminary." The Saints could be eyeing Glenn Dorsey or Vernon Gholston with Will Smith in a contract season, but might have to offer 2009 picks because they have only six this year. While the Scott Linehan Rams have executed several draft-day trades, future choices won't entice St. Louis with Linehan in must-win mode. According to the new trade chart, it'd take New Orleans' first- and second-round picks to get to No. 2. Apr. 16 - 7:23 pm et



Broncos sign D-Jax for one year, $1.5 million

Broncos signed WR Darrell Jackson to a one-year, $1.5 million contract, according to NFL Network's Adam Schefter.
Jackson, 29, adds competition to a group that also includes Brandon Marshall, Brandon Stokley, Keary Colbert, and Samie Parker. Most likely, Jackson and Colbert will compete to start, although the terms of this deal indicate Jackson isn't a heavy favorite. Jackson struggled badly (10.8 YPC) with the 49ers, but the Broncos are a best-case scenario for him because of their West Coast offense. He's someone to monitor closely this summer because he could rebuild his fantasy value. Apr. 16 - 4:30 pm et

[NewYorkSpider]

So where does Chad Johnson end up? I'm gonna say Tampa Bay.

[FaT_tONle]

Ah none of these teams ever pull the trigger and make the move up into the top 5... it isn't worth it anymore. One of these guys will drop. 2 Longs/Dorsey/McFadden/Gholston/Ryan... obviously not all those guys can go into the top five. I say just take your chances and hope your man falls to number 6 and then try and make a deal. Thing is KC may want to get out of there if they think they can grab Ellis or Clady with a later pick in the 1st round... Saints should make a deal with them if they want Gholston.

As for Chad Johnson... Cowboys don't have the cap. Tampa Bay might not be a bad fit since Gruden can handle those types of players. Don't rule out Washington. Philly will never bring in another guy like that. I don't know what Snyder's cap situation is... I know that b*****d will make that move if its there.

[Cmill216]

So where does Chad Johnson end up? I'm gonna say Tampa Bay.

Makes a lot of sense. WR is the #1 need, and money is not an issue.

[Dark Donnie]

So where does Chad Johnson end up? I'm gonna say Tampa Bay.

Philly:cwink: Cincy won't trade him unless they get some money back...

[NewYorkSpider]

Philly:cwink: Cincy won't trade him unless they get some money back...

There's gonna be a lot of teams wanting him. Philly, Tampa, Denver and Washington are some teams. There were rumors floating around a month ago that Philly was going to trade Lito and a 2nd round pick for CJ.

[Cmill216]

Philly:cwink:

Don't make me pull it out. :cmad:

[Dark Donnie]

There's gonna be a lot of teams wanting him. Philly, Tampa, Denver and Washington are some teams. There were rumors floating around a month ago that Philly was going to trade Lito and a 2nd round pick for CJ.

I would have done it considering were probably only going to get draft picks for him now.


Don't make me pull it out. :cmad:

:wow:.....:csad:


What ever happened to David Boston in Tampa? I remember him getting attention for the DUI, then heard nothing about him.

[BlackLantern]

Chad would be a good fit for the Giants, and the media would love him, but they would have to give up too much to get him

[Excel]

There was a funky rumor about Oakland trading for him...

[Cmill216]

:wow:.....:csad:


What ever happened to David Boston in Tampa? I remember him getting attention for the DUI, then heard nothing about him.

If memory serves me correct he got caught up in more DUI ish, and they cut him. Now we're experimenting with Antonio Bryant. *shrugs*

....So, yeah. WE NEED CHAD. :cmad:

[NewYorkSpider]

Chad would be a good fit for the Giants, and the media would love him, but they would have to give up too much to get him

I disagree. Why ruin good team chemistry and bring in a WR who wants all the attention. Plus, you have a good WR in Steve Smith coming up who contributed very well last season. Chad Johnson would just be a distraction in New York IMO.

[thehippie]

i say the vikings get chad johnson....i know it will never happen but would be nice

[The Game]

Can the Bengals even afford to let Chad go, won't the cap hit be huge?

[FaT_tONle]

Over 8 million... maybe they can work something out after June 1st but I don't know if they spread the cap hit over the two years if you trade a guy as opposed to cutting him outright. Bengals should just take the hit... they are in rebuilding mode anyway... trade him to the NFC though. I don't get how a team like the Eagles lets Owens walk to Dallas... anyways you can still get a 1st round pick for the guy so the cap hit is worth it.

[Dark Donnie]

Over 8 million... maybe they can work something out after June 1st but I don't know if they spread the cap hit over the two years if you trade a guy as opposed to cutting him outright. Bengals should just take the hit... they are in rebuilding mode anyway... trade him to the NFC though. I don't get how a team like the Eagles lets Owens walk to Dallas... anyways you can still get a 1st round pick for the guy so the cap hit is worth it.

I don't think they'll get a 1st, Cincy has no levergage, but either does Chad for that matter so...

[Dark Donnie]

...
Steve McNair to announce retirement

Steve McNair will announce his retirement from football at a 1PM ET news conference on Thursday.

The decision would not have surprised in January, but it does now after McNair began working out hard and was projected as Baltimore's starter. It's probably for the best for everyone. McNair's body and game betrayed the old warrior, and he was coming off multiple surgeries. Originally a Houston Oiler, McNair came up just short of a Super Bowl ring, but was the co-MVP in 2003 and finished as a top-ten fantasy option five times. The Ravens can move forward with Kyle Boller, Troy Smith, and a rookie to be named later. Apr. 17 - 10:52 am et
Source: Baltimore Sun

Cowboys, Barber 'far apart' in contract talks

The Cowboys and restricted free agent Marion Barber are reportedly "far apart" in talks about a long-term extension.

Dallas is reportedly offering a $30 million package, while Barber and agent Drew Rosenhaus expect a deal similar to Larry Johnson's (five years, $43.2 million). The Cowboys think Barber's value is around Michael Turner and Willis McGahee's. Barber has yet to sign his first- and third-round tender. Apr. 17 - 8:29 am et
Source: Dallas Morning News

[tupelohoney]

as a Giants fan, I would like them to repeat but its tough to do that in todays NFL....and yes a lot of Giant fans wanted Elis head after week 2

Yeah, not likely...but we can always hope...

I just can't believe their schedule this year, with so few primetime/MNF games, especially for a defending champ!?

That first one up against the skins, should be a good match-up, at least.

I'm already scouting the competition, as Antwaan Randle El is on both the Herd with Colin Cowherd and The Mike Tirico shows, today on espn radio.

Bring 'em on!!!

[Showtime]

Steve McNair has been retired for about 3 years, somebody forgot to tell him.

[Dark Donnie]

...
Chiefs' Jared Allen visiting with Vikings

The Chiefs are willing to listen to trade offers for Jared Allen, according to NFL Network's Adam Schefter and FoxSports.com. He is visiting Minnesota on Friday and is expected to visit Tampa next Friday.

Allen is one of the five most valuable defensive players in the NFL, so any trade for him would be a blockbuster. It's a curious move by the Chiefs, who placed the franchise tag on Allen. They can rebuild with draft picks, but they are admitting they can't afford to keep their top talent. Allen will likely require a huge contract, a first-round pick, and probably more for any interested suitors. Minnesota has a higher first round pick than Tampa and is likely the favorite. Look for a trade on or before draft day. Apr. 17 - 1:08 pm et
Source: FoxSports.com

[Orson_Randall]

Cause no one gives a **** about MNF anymore. Sunday night is the new prime time slot.
which is sad.... I knew moving MNF to cable was the end of a era..:(

[FaT_tONle]

Thursday night is a better prime time slot anyways... they just have to get those games off of NFL network and broadcast them on the local networks.

[Matt]

...

That is kind of ashame. McNair had the talent to be one of the greats...but he was so damn injury prone.

[Alex The Great]

i'm getting tickets for the Patriots Home Opener!:up:

[Mister J]

Wait. You're still calling yourself a Patriots 'fan'? :confused: :o

[SurfDUI]

Wait. You're still calling yourself a Patriots 'fan'? :confused: :o

A fan sinks and swims w/ the team...Unless your a follower of Bellicheatandillrunthedamnscoreupw/theseoldbastards, can they even show there faces:huh:

[Immortalfire]

i'm getting tickets for the Patriots Home Opener!:up:

I'll be sure to visit you in your new home afterward.

http://www.unr.edu/hcs/ssw/studentorgs/images/boxes03.jpg

[SurfDUI]

^Stopit. :woot::woot:

[chuckymack]

Chad can bark all he wants. Mike and Marvin have already said that they're not trading him numerous times. One, they can't take the cap hit. Two, they're probably not going to get what they want out of him, which is TWO draft picks(one of which has to be at least a 2nd-rounder) and a marquis defensive player with a few years left in the tank.

Ain't happenin'. I honestly think all this is about T.J. stealing his thunder.

[Excel]

Eh...if they do a draft day trade for a 1st rounder theyll do it.

[FaT_tONle]

Eagles aren't making that move... it didn't work with T.O... plus they won't give up the 1st rounder like they'd need to... and I think Dan Synder has learned enough with parting away draft picks. Denver is a possibility since they need a big time receiver. Plus Shanahan is probably on the hot seat. Tampa Bay won't make a deal since they don't even have their QB situation settled. Giants wouldn't do it since Reece isn't known for those kinds of moves and neither are the Giants. Plus 31st is probably too low. Any other suiters I am missing? An interesting fit might be Minnesota but I don't think the coach there likes those types of players. Chicago would be a good fit too. I think a second rounder and a player is more than enough. Or maybe a 1st round pick next year. That is if the Bengals decide to take the cap hit.

[Cmill216]

Tampa Bay won't make a deal since they don't even have their QB situation settled.

That's because there is no situation. It's Jeff Garcia, then everybody else.

[Excel]

Jeff Garcias the most under rated qb in the NFL and I dont care how old Galloway is, he is still a burner. DeSean Jackson is gonna be the same kinda player.

[omid17]

If they lose Chad, at least they would still have Houshmanzadeh who had a great season last year

[FaT_tONle]

Jeff Garcias the most under rated qb in the NFL and I dont care how old Galloway is, he is still a burner. DeSean Jackson is gonna be the same kinda player.

Bucs still need a QB for the future. I don't even think they are developing a guy right now... just signing veterans... receiver and QB 1 2 is what I'd assume... Cmill would know better... but if they intend to draft a QB with one of those first two picks then they shouldn't bring in Chad Johnson since he'd be past his prime by the time your QB develops. That's why I think the Vikings and Bears and especially Denver are better fits since they have the young QB's in place.

[Cmill216]

Bucs still need a QB for the future.

That goes without saying.

I don't even think they are developing a guy right now... just signing veterans... receiver and QB 1 2 is what I'd assume... Cmill would know better... but if they intend to draft a QB with one of those first two picks then they shouldn't bring in Chad Johnson since he'd be past his prime by the time your QB develops. That's why I think the Vikings and Bears and especially Denver are better fits since they have the young QB's in place.

Here's the deal: having a QB of the future in place doesn't really mean much when looking at this Chad situation. Garcia gives the Bucs a chance to win now, and possibly as late as next season. Developing a guy for the future is a generally important concept, but with the NFC being the way it is, a guy like Chad would instantly improve the immediate Super Bowl chances of any veteran QB'd team he lands on, whether that be Tampa or somewhere like Philadelphia.

[FaT_tONle]

I still think your success at winning championships depends on the level of play of your QB's. The Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson years seem quite a ways off... no you don't need a hall of famer in there... but Garcia at this stage when he basically has one year (maybe two if he's healthy) is risking it. You'll need to give up the first or two really high picks or a pick/player to get him and that is just putting too many eggs into this year's basket. Its not the move I'd make that's all I am saying.

[Cmill216]

I still think your success at winning championships depends on the level of play of your QB's. The Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson years seem quite a ways off... no you don't need a hall of famer in there... but Garcia at this stage when he basically has one year (maybe two if he's healthy) is risking it. You'll need to give up the first or two really high picks or a pick/player to get him and that is just putting too many eggs into this year's basket. Its not the move I'd make that's all I am saying.

You bring up some good points, actually. The thing is, wide receiver is their biggest need. They need a true playmaker on the outside to compliment their solid running attack with Graham, Bennett, and Dunn. If you can go and get Chad for a pair of draft picks (say a 1st and a 3rd) then I'd pull the trigger on that. He immediately improves their chances for the near future.

Yes, they still need a QB of the future. But if they don't believe there is one in this draft, or they feel they can get said QB at a later time, then so be it.

[Alex The Great]

Draft in a few days :yay:

[FaT_tONle]

You bring up some good points, actually. The thing is, wide receiver is their biggest need. They need a true playmaker on the outside to compliment their solid running attack with Graham, Bennett, and Dunn. If you can go and get Chad for a pair of draft picks (say a 1st and a 3rd) then I'd pull the trigger on that. He immediately improves their chances for the near future.

Yes, they still need a QB of the future. But if they don't believe there is one in this draft, or they feel they can get said QB at a later time, then so be it.

1st and 3rd? Come on man you wouldn't make that move. I was thinking more along the lines of 2nd and 4th... that might be the best deal Cincinnati has on the table when we hit draft day. Hope you get lucky... but a 1st and 3rd for a player with character issues who is going to command a boatload is just ludicrous.

[Excel]

1st and 3rd for chad johnson? How do you NOT do that? You get an instant pro bowler about to hit his prime.

[Cmill216]

1st and 3rd? Come on man you wouldn't make that move. I was thinking more along the lines of 2nd and 4th... that might be the best deal Cincinnati has on the table when we hit draft day. Hope you get lucky... but a 1st and 3rd for a player with character issues who is going to command a boatload is just ludicrous.

Yes and no.

Is it a lot? Maybe. But like I said, their biggest need right now is a premiere wideout, and there isn't one in this draft, especially not in the 1st Round. And as far as money goes, Tampa has the money. They sure as hell didn't spend that $45 million in cap space out on free agency.

Character issues? Again, yes and no. The Bucs have dealt with a few characters (Rice, Johnson, Sapp), and all those characters managed to do was come together to help win a Super Bowl. Let's also not forget that while Chad is a bit of an assclown, he's also a product of his current environment.

[Alex The Great]

Dear Chad Johnson. Come to New England, and lo, you will find salaition!

[FaT_tONle]

Well I know for a fact no NFL team is giving up that much unless they are drafting in the bottom 28... I have said some dumb things before too when it comes to my team making moves on draft day (like giving up two number ones for guys like DeAngelo Hall and R. WIlliams and what not) so I see where you are coming from. But by draft day you can probably give Cincy the 2nd and fourth (or maybe a third/player) and then you can trade down to recoup those picks. That's how it MIGHT go down if the Bucs or one of those mid to late drafting teams make a deal for C. Johnson.

[Cmill216]

I have said some dumb things before too

Thanks for calling my opinion "dumb". :rolleyes:

[Excel]

Johnsons character are overrated. Again, what is his problem again? He gets along great with TJ Houshmanzadah, who gets more balls than Chad, so what is chads problem?

Ocho would become THE offense in Tampa, thats a role I think he could thrive in.

[The Apocalypse]

http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/kim-kardashian-grinding-reggie-bush_1_1.jpg


Go Reggie!

[Mister J]

I'm refraining from making any end zone and/or scoring jokes, because it's just too easy.

[Excel]

Check the jealous white girl in the backround :hehe:

[Alex The Great]

I'll be sure to visit you in your new home afterward.

http://www.unr.edu/hcs/ssw/studentorgs/images/boxes03.jpg
That's probably Ghostridder87's house.......I wonder if Jill ever called him back.....

[Alex The Great]

http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/kim-kardashian-grinding-reggie-bush_1_1.jpg


Go Reggie!
looks like someone's gonna get a touchdown *bada bing*

[StorminNorman]

http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/kim-kardashian-grinding-reggie-bush_1_1.jpg


Go Reggie!

Who?

[Alex The Great]

He's some Saints player.....Some fellow who's good at receiving air born balls i believe. can anyone confirm this bizzare aquisaition? :huh:

[StorminNorman]

What position does he play?

[Cmill216]

What position does he play?

Doggie.

[StorminNorman]

http://members.airsoftcanada.com/digital_assasin/Forum%20Stuff/Misc/oh_snap.gif

[Nightmare]

Running Back. He fell off the map last season.

[omid17]

Check the jealous white girl in the backround :hehe:that's actually Kim's younger sister

[omid17]

Reggie's a lot shorter than i thought

[omid17]

Running Back. He fell off the map last season.yea he got effed up quick cuz he's small and not big enough, i think the only reason Kim got with him was because he played for USC