2008 NFL Thread

[NewYorkSpider]

Well this is my first season with NFL network and I am enjoying these re-runs of preseason games... watching my Cowboys and they do not look impressive the least bit. The defense is stock piled with names but it still stinks... what's new? I never get crazy when it comes to preseason but I am looking at 10-6 or 11-5 if they are healthy. Probably the favored/trendy pick to get out of the NFC this year but I think we'll start off really slow. Probably going to get blown out in Clevland week one but it doesn't really matter if we start off slow. You'd prefer to get the division title and the bye and everything but I am hoping the team plays their best football in December for a change like a San Diego/Giants last year or Pittsburg when they won their Superbowl. It's a long season and homefield advantage is irrelevant these days with the exception of Foxboro.


Dallas is the favorite in the NFC this year. I don't like the way the Eagles looked when the played the Panthers. Too many stupid decisions. Giants didn't look to great either. It seemed Manning just wasn't himself. But we know how inconsistent he was from week to week last season. The Redskins could make a push for the division, but with a new head coach, we really don't know what to expect. I see the Cowboys winning the divison. As far as them making the Super Bowl, they need to shake off the playoff pressure and show everyone they can win in January. I don't see them making it to Super Sunday this year.

[Poeman]

Dallas is the favorite in the NFC this year. I don't like the way the Eagles looked when the played the Panthers. Too many stupid decisions. Giants didn't look to great either. It seemed Manning just wasn't himself. But we know how inconsistent he was from week to week last season. The Redskins could make a push for the division, but with a new head coach, we really don't know what to expect. I see the Cowboys winning the divison. As far as them making the Super Bowl, they need to shake off the playoff pressure and show everyone they can win in January. I don't see them making it to Super Sunday this year.

Eagles
Cowboys
Giants
Redskins

[FaT_tONle]

Dallas is the favorite in the NFC this year. I don't like the way the Eagles looked when the played the Panthers. Too many stupid decisions. Giants didn't look to great either. It seemed Manning just wasn't himself. But we know how inconsistent he was from week to week last season. The Redskins could make a push for the division, but with a new head coach, we really don't know what to expect. I see the Cowboys winning the divison. As far as them making the Super Bowl, they need to shake off the playoff pressure and show everyone they can win in January. I don't see them making it to Super Sunday this year.

Eagles suck ass. I think the last month last year was a fluke. Giants will be fine as long as they are healthy. Now the Skins are interesting. And Dallas is Dallas. Winning a wild card game means nothing if you lose a week later and I don't trust this team in a big spot on the road.

[NewYorkSpider]

Eagles
Cowboys
Giants
Redskins

I think the Eagles finish last in the East again. The first string really hasn't impressed me. I'll be giving my predictions toward the end of the month.

Eagles suck ass. I think the last month last year was a fluke. Giants will be fine as long as they are healthy. Now the Skins are interesting. And Dallas is Dallas. Winning a wild card game means nothing if you lose a week later and I don't trust this team in a big spot on the road.

Eagles don't look good at all. We don't know if McNabb is going to stay healthy and they have an unhappy Lito Sheppard. The team just hasn't been the same since T.O. left. I think if the Eagles struggle into week 8, you'll see Kevin Kolb in as the starter and the future of the organization. McNabb will then head to another team(I think it's his last contract year). Maybe Chicago, Tampa Bay or Baltimore will sign him. That of course if all this happens.

[FaT_tONle]

Here is the best case scenario for Eagle fans... McNabb blows his knee out some time between week 1-8, and Kolb steps in and becomes the second coming of Tony Romo. And I say Romo because I believe Kolb is that guy who likes move out of the pocket and throw on the run, athough I know nothing abgout the kid. I mean Dallas found their franchise QB only after Bledsoe stunk up the joint. Maybe McNabb will get injured before having an opportunity to stink up the joint getting Kolb playing time sooner than later.

[Excel]

Fyi-Kolb sucks, and McNabbs one of the most physical gifted qbs around. I like the Eagles a lot, actually.

Re: Pats...jesus, Im not even gonna mention Cassel, but hot damn our oline was HORRIBLE!

-Maroney was hit in the backfield on 6 of his 7 carries :wow:
-Morris was hit in the backfield on 3 of his 5

Come on guys, wtf was that? Seriously.

[NewYorkSpider]

Fyi-Kolb sucks, and McNabbs one of the most physical gifted qbs around. I like the Eagles a lot, actually.


Kolb has had a great pre-season. McNabb isn't going to be there for very much longer. Injuries are catching up to him and it's affecting his performance.

[The Chris]

Cowboys the favs again huh? They can have it. Go Giants!

[Cmill216]

There we go, Tampa. Beat that preseason ass. :up:

[Excel]

Kolb has had a great pre-season. McNabb isn't going to be there for very much longer. Injuries are catching up to him and it's affecting his performance.

:huh:

26-48 for 236 yards, 1 td, 1 int against 2nd and 3rd teamers isnt great. McNabb has gone 21-37 for 195 yards with 1td n 0 int. Injuries effected his performance at the begining of last year, but I dont see any base at all for saying theyll effect him this year :huh: This is how he ended last season:

116-174, 250 yards per game, 10 td, 1 pic. It isnt about being good as a qb, its about not being bad. McNabb doesnt make bad decisions and Kolb as a young guy would make a lot of them, that is why McNabb isnt going anywhere. They are still win now mode. I give him 2 more season in Phily (counting this one) until he he goes somewhere else.

[FaT_tONle]

I think there is a good shot McNabb is out by the end of the year. Playoffs and a first round exit won't even be enough unless McNabb posts up MVP numbers. I don't think they can make the playoffs if McNabb doesn't play well so I don't those things go hand in hand anyhow.

[Excel]

Playoffs and a first round exit won't even be enough unless McNabb posts up MVP numbers.

:huh:

They're not in rebuilding mode. Kolb would be 10x worse than McNabb and Reid knows it; with Kolb instead of Donovan forget 1st round loss, your looking at a top 5 draft because theyd be horrible. McNabb made Kevin "White Lightening" Curtis nasty and he will do wonders with DeSean Jackson.

[FaT_tONle]

:huh:

They're not in rebuilding mode. Kolb would be 10x worse than McNabb and Reid knows it; with Kolb instead of Donovan forget 1st round loss, your looking at a top 5 draft because theyd be horrible.

I am saying they could be by week 12...

[Excel]

I am saying they could be by week 12...

Yeah, but I dont think it is likely...at all.

[NewYorkSpider]

:huh:

26-48 for 236 yards, 1 td, 1 int against 2nd and 3rd teamers isnt great. McNabb has gone 21-37 for 195 yards with 1td n 0 int. Injuries effected his performance at the begining of last year, but I dont see any base at all for saying theyll effect him this year :huh: This is how he ended last season:

116-174, 250 yards per game, 10 td, 1 pic. It isnt about being good as a qb, its about not being bad. McNabb doesnt make bad decisions and Kolb as a young guy would make a lot of them, that is why McNabb isnt going anywhere. They are still win now mode. I give him 2 more season in Phily (counting this one) until he he goes somewhere else.

Kolb is still in development mode so the numbers aren't going to be spectacular, but it was still good in my book. His passes looked great. The intercepetion he threw went passed the wideouts hands, so it really wasn't his fault. The weather during that game was ugly, so let's see how both QB's fare in the next game.

As far as McNabb's performance last season when he came back. He played two of the worst passing defenses in the league. So the numbers are probably gonna look impressive.

[RAMORE]

Ok I know it's only preseason but how about them bucs wupin up on the patriots:D Only 3 penaltys and none the first preseason game incredible. But you know who suprisingly is looking Ok is Miami. Pennington played decent (he's on a mission) and ricki and ronnie looked great!

[RAMORE]

Bye the way Mcnabb is not going to get it done in Philly if ever agian.

[BlackLantern]

McNabb will be in Chicago by next season.....

[Showtime]

There we go, Tampa. Beat that preseason ass. :up:

Brady is saving his foot for ass kicking during the regular season. :csad:

[kane9321]

Even though it was only a preseason my 49ers offense...looked like a pro offense..34-6

[Alex The Great]

Good Lord, I know it's the pre-Season and all but still.......If the O-line is like this in the regular season then were screwed....Brady will be injurded with that O-Line god damn it.....

[Alex The Great]

Patriots looked freaking awful tonight. And I know it's preseason and what not but when the Bucs offense is looking like the second coming of the Montana/Bill Walsh 49er teams you know you are in trouble. I don't know how much production they can get out of those aging linbackers this year. You got aging safeties and a second year player who hasn't proven himself. Seymour or someone on that D-line is almost never 100% healthy in crunch time and their corner situation is a flat out joke. They'll be competitive as long as Brady, Welker, Moss are healthy but it's not like I am giving much insight on their team's prospects by saying that.
The Pats just did nothing this off-season....really....sign some Lynch fellow....man.....were really not looking good this season.....of course we'll have that dreaded offense with Brady, Welker and Moss but if Brady keeps getting sacked then were screwed. he'd get injured (god forbid!) and are season is DONE.

[RAMORE]

yes...yes it would be:D


The sad thing BL is that chicago could use McNabb:csad:

[BlackLantern]

I've been lobbying for McNAbb to leave Philly for the past 2 seasons now....my feelings about Philly sports in general have even gotten me a warning here on the Hype...

[Dark Donnie]

I've been lobbying for McNAbb to leave Philly for the past 2 seasons now....my feelings about Philly sports in general have even gotten me a warning here on the Hype...

you tend to say moronic things about philly sports..


Also with The Eagles....if McNabb is healthy, which he appears to be they should have no problem winning 9-10 games this season. There defense is better then last year with the additions of Clemons, and Samuel. There offense will be better as well with LJ Smith back(our red zone target who missed most of last year) and the addition of DeSean Jackson. That will open even more running lanes for Westbrook who is clearly one of the top 2 or 3 RB's in the league. The line is really good on both sides of the ball so no problem there.

Last season McNabb was still unhealthy after the knee surgery. They generally say it takes a year from the date of surgery to get your explosiveness back. McNabb showed a little of that towards the end of last year against the Saints.

I like them this year to pick up the wildcard.

[BlackLantern]

you tend to say moronic things about philly sports..

not moronic....just spirited opinions.....

[Dark Donnie]

not moronic....just spirited opinions.....

whatever you call them:cwink:

[Raiden]

Favre looks good, but Clemens (Jets' supposed QB of the future) does not. I think Jets should look for another QB to replace Favre once #4 retires for good. Btw, Favre had a good game, but Jets still lost. I hope it's only the pre-season and they do have an influx of new players, but once the regular season starts they better get ready.

[Assassin32]

McFadden and Fargas should be a nice 1-2 punch in the backfield.


Don't forget about Michael Bush. He's a monster.

[Kaleb]

SCOUTS GALORE WATCH SIMMS WORK
.
It’s been almost two years since a majority of the football-loving world first learned of the word “splenectomy” thanks to the in-game destruction of Chris Simms’ insides. Meaning it’s been almost two years of uncertainty over whether he’d be healthy enough to play football again, and if so whether he’d be doing so in pewter. With Simms healthy, the Bucs saturated with quarterbacks and moving on, and final cuts looming, that uncertainty will soon be over.

Either the Bucs will trade Simms, or they’ll release him at the last minute before having to cut down to 53 players. And so this training camp and preseason becomes an audition in front of any team in need of a backup (or potentially starting) quarterback. Last night, as the Bucs played the Patriots, scouts from 20 teams were in attendance to see Phil’s son play.

Three of those teams came from north of the border — the Toronto Argonauts, the Calgary Stampeders and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers — but also in attendance were representatives from the Vikings, Cowboys, Colts, Ravens, and Bears. The Patriots, who are seeing how destitute they are behind Tom Brady, were surely taking a good look from the other sideline as well.

Simms went 2-for-4 for 24 yards in the game, and is 10-for-14 for 84 yards on the preseason.

The fact that the Colts were in attendance lends a little more credence to the increasing belief that Peyton Manning’s knee injury is more worrisome than they’ve led on.

source: profootballtalk.com

[FaT_tONle]

Cowboys are the fit for Simms... he was a Longhorn... and we need a third stringer. If he makes strides he is the full time back up for Romo next year. Pats ain't a bad fit either and he can probably blossom under Belicheck but I don't know if it's the best fit. Stay in the NFC. But the Vikings are simply depleted so they might be in the mix. I think the Pats sign one of the McCown's... Simms hopefully ends up in big D.

[Kaleb]

Neckbeard prevails.




BEARS GO WITH ORTON
Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2008, 4:17 p.m.
Through most of a turbulent (at times) 2006 season, coach Lovie Smith consistently said, “Rex Grossman is our quarterback.”

Today, Grossman is still on the team. But he’s no longer their quarterback.

The Bears announced today that Kyle Orton, who started 15 games as a rookie in 2005, will be the starter for the start of the 2008 season.

Orton started the first preseason game, and Grossman started the second game.


source: profootballtalk.com

[Excel]

Quick; Ive been offered tickets the pats-eagles game on Friay and get to chill with players on the field before it, should I go?

[Kaleb]

its worth going, but I doubt anybody important would be playing.

[Immortalfire]

Quick; Ive been offered tickets the pats-eagles game on Friay and get to chill with players on the field before it, should I go?

Make a thread about it in Community, see what the other Hype folks say.

[Alex The Great]

Neckbeard prevails.




BEARS GO WITH ORTON
Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2008, 4:17 p.m.
Through most of a turbulent (at times) 2006 season, coach Lovie Smith consistently said, “Rex Grossman is our quarterback.”

Today, Grossman is still on the team. But he’s no longer their quarterback.

The Bears announced today that Kyle Orton, who started 15 games as a rookie in 2005, will be the starter for the start of the 2008 season.

Orton started the first preseason game, and Grossman started the second game.


source: profootballtalk.com
Wrecks Grossman needs to be cut....today...

[The Chris]

Giants are giving The Browns a whoopin!

[Alex The Great]

:(.

[FaT_tONle]

Browns will be fine. The offense is too good to stink it up like this. However I think this is one of those years where they will fade at the end or just never seem to get on the same page from the start. Or a year where they just can't find the consistency. Something like the Saints last year. With the schedule they may get off to a slow start.

[DeaDheaD]

Wrecks Grossman needs to be cut....today...
As a Bears fan i support this notion, and would also like to see Rexo banned from all NFL events.

[Alex The Great]

Wrecks Grossman needs to be hit by a truck. Multiple times.....

[Marx]

Giants are giving The Browns a whoopin!

It's definately a great game!

[BlackLantern]

i had Hixon in fantasy last year....I should try and snatch him up again in our draft next weekend....

[DeaDheaD]

Wrecks Grossman needs to be hit by a truck. Multiple times.....
Dude!!!................its like you're reading my mind!!! :wow:

......I will miss seeing a "so-called" qb miss-handle a snap and then trip over his own feet and then sit at the end of the bench b/c he's a "loner".......Benny Hill music should play when he's on the field.

[Marx]

i had Hixon in fantasy last year....I should try and snatch him up again in our draft next weekend....

The way he's playing...I think that might be a very good decision! How did he do last year in fantasy?

[BlackLantern]

Wrecks Grossman needs to be hit by a truck. Multiple times.....

let's use the same truck and mutilate Tony Kornheiser....

[BlackLantern]

The way he's playing...I think that might be a very good decision! How did he do last year in fantasy?

He did Ok....he started the year with Denver and had a decent game...Denver cut him and the Giants grabbed him and used him as a punt returner and a 3 or 4 receiver.....

[Alex The Great]

let's use the same truck and mutilate Tony Kornheiser....
and Eli Manning?


Patriots Fan I am. Bite Me :cmad:


:o

[Dr. Evil]

SCOUTS GALORE WATCH SIMMS WORK
.
It’s been almost two years since a majority of the football-loving world first learned of the word “splenectomy” thanks to the in-game destruction of Chris Simms’ insides. Meaning it’s been almost two years of uncertainty over whether he’d be healthy enough to play football again, and if so whether he’d be doing so in pewter. With Simms healthy, the Bucs saturated with quarterbacks and moving on, and final cuts looming, that uncertainty will soon be over.

Either the Bucs will trade Simms, or they’ll release him at the last minute before having to cut down to 53 players. And so this training camp and preseason becomes an audition in front of any team in need of a backup (or potentially starting) quarterback. Last night, as the Bucs played the Patriots, scouts from 20 teams were in attendance to see Phil’s son play.

Three of those teams came from north of the border — the Toronto Argonauts, the Calgary Stampeders and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers — but also in attendance were representatives from the Vikings, Cowboys, Colts, Ravens, and Bears. The Patriots, who are seeing how destitute they are behind Tom Brady, were surely taking a good look from the other sideline as well.

Simms went 2-for-4 for 24 yards in the game, and is 10-for-14 for 84 yards on the preseason.

The fact that the Colts were in attendance lends a little more credence to the increasing belief that Peyton Manning’s knee injury is more worrisome than they’ve led on.

source: profootballtalk.com

The Canadians are interested in Chris Simms?

[Darthphere]

Wrecks Grossman needs to be cut....today...

He'd just sign with Tampa Bay.:huh:

[Alex The Great]

hah, too true

[Double Down]

let's use the same truck and mutilate Tony Kornheiser....


Kornheiser is abysmal.

[Alex The Great]

also, let's decapitate Lee Corso :up:

[BlackLantern]

watch it, watch it....don't talk about Coach like that....

[Alex The Great]

But he's a penis :(

[Double Down]

also, let's decapitate Lee Corso :up:


And Skip Bayless, for the love of God.

[Dr. Evil]

So, any college Quarterbacks you think will make decent pros next season?

[Excel]

Chris Mortensen is saying Miami wants to TRADE RONNIE BROWN :huh:

http://rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=120267


ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported on Monday Night Countdown that Ronnie Brown could be on a team other than the Dolphins by Week 1.

Huh? Mortensen is probably Bill Parcells' mouthpiece here, and the Tuna may be trying to drum up interest. Brown has struggled in the preseason after ACL surgery, but is only 26. While Ricky Williams supplanting Brown as a starter is possible, we wouldn't expect any trade. We would expect Brown's precarious fantasy value to take a hit as his stock in the organization is dimming. Aug. 18 - 8:01 pm et


:dry:

[Double Down]

Boy, the first round of the 2005 draft was amazing, wasn't it?

[Double Down]

Here are the first ten picks from 2005:
1 San Francisco Alex Smith - QB
2 Miami Ronnie Brown - RB
3 Cleveland Braylon Edwards - WR
4 Chicago Cedric Benson - RB
5 Tampa Bay Carnell Williams - RB
6 Tennessee Adam Jones - DB
7 Minnesota Troy Williamson - WR
8 Arizona Antrel Rolle - DB
9 Washington Carlos Rogers - DB
10 Detroit Mike Williams - WR

[Excel]

1 San Francisco Alex Smith - QB

Bust...

2 Miami Ronnie Brown - RB

Hes been fine and was the best in the league prior to injury last season.

3 Cleveland Braylon Edwards - WR

Top 3 wr in the game.

4 Chicago Cedric Benson - RB

:hehe: I wont even go here...is he in the NFL?

5 Tampa Bay Carnell Williams - RB

Aye...hes looked good when healthy but the caddy cant stay outta teh shop :csad:

6 Tennessee Adam Jones - DB

:lmao:

7 Minnesota Troy Williamson - WR

:dry: Check his "highlights" his "fans" in Minnesota put on youtube...

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8 Arizona Antrel Rolle - DB

Big season last year.

9 Washington Carlos Rogers - DB

Great 2nd seas, got hurt last year.

[/quote]10 Detroit Mike Williams - WR[/quote]

...yeah.

[BlackLantern]

But he's a penis :(

He's the co host of a 2 hour pre game show..... its not like he is doing commentary during a game and inflicting damage on people for 4 hours with his inane behavior.....unlike Tony Kornheiser, who almost sent me over the ****ing falls last night with his little story about playing golf with Donald Trump and hanging out with Brett Favre and his wife....great Tony great way to make us regular folk feel like **** because you managed to suck the right amount of **** late in your life....and he was so eager to tell the story he was practically yelling about it......:cmad:

[kane9321]

I'd be happy to see simms go to baltimore

[Marx]

The Bengals just resigned Chris Henry! :applaud

[RAMORE]

Would be really stupid to trade Ronnie Brown. I love Ricky but he's unreliable and them together ensures neither gets burned out.

[RAMORE]

SCOUTS GALORE WATCH SIMMS WORK
.
It’s been almost two years since a majority of the football-loving world first learned of the word “splenectomy” thanks to the in-game destruction of Chris Simms’ insides. Meaning it’s been almost two years of uncertainty over whether he’d be healthy enough to play football again, and if so whether he’d be doing so in pewter. With Simms healthy, the Bucs saturated with quarterbacks and moving on, and final cuts looming, that uncertainty will soon be over.

Either the Bucs will trade Simms, or they’ll release him at the last minute before having to cut down to 53 players. And so this training camp and preseason becomes an audition in front of any team in need of a backup (or potentially starting) quarterback. Last night, as the Bucs played the Patriots, scouts from 20 teams were in attendance to see Phil’s son play.

Three of those teams came from north of the border — the Toronto Argonauts, the Calgary Stampeders and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers — but also in attendance were representatives from the Vikings, Cowboys, Colts, Ravens, and Bears. The Patriots, who are seeing how destitute they are behind Tom Brady, were surely taking a good look from the other sideline as well.

Simms went 2-for-4 for 24 yards in the game, and is 10-for-14 for 84 yards on the preseason.

The fact that the Colts were in attendance lends a little more credence to the increasing belief that Peyton Manning’s knee injury is more worrisome than they’ve led on.

source: profootballtalk.com


god I hope the Bucs get rid of him. Still he can play somewhere else in the NFL not canada. He's a decent back up i think maybe vikings they need help

[Kaleb]

The Bengals just resigned Chris Henry! :applaud


Bengals.com says that the severity of Chad Johnson's shoulder injury was a primary reason for re-signing Chris Henry.

Considering Henry isn't eligible to play until Week 5, Johnson's shoulder injury could be a lot worse than reported. ESPN's Bob Holzman reported the Bengals don't know yet how long Johnson will be out. But they are clearly concerned it could be a long-term injury or one that could re-cur during the year. It's time to downgrade Johnson on your cheats to a WR2 until we know more. Aug. 19 - 8:50 am et


source:rotoworld.com

[Marx]

Bengals.com says that the severity of Chad Johnson's shoulder injury was a primary reason for re-signing Chris Henry.

Considering Henry isn't eligible to play until Week 5, Johnson's shoulder injury could be a lot worse than reported. ESPN's Bob Holzman reported the Bengals don't know yet how long Johnson will be out. But they are clearly concerned it could be a long-term injury or one that could re-cur during the year. It's time to downgrade Johnson on your cheats to a WR2 until we know more. Aug. 19 - 8:50 am et


source:rotoworld.com

I just read that. Part of me wants to say that Chad Johnson intentionally got hurt because he didn't get his way (wanting to be traded.) I have said all along that if Chad didn't get traded he would get hurt and not be able to play...well, look what has happened.

Henry is a good player, and I think he was prematurely cut. They should have waited out the results of the trial before cutting him.

[Darthphere]

I just read that. Part of me wants to say that Chad Johnson intentionally got hurt because he didn't get his way (wanting to be traded.) I have said all along that if Chad didn't get traded he would get hurt and not be able to play...well, look what has happened.

Henry is a good player, and I think he was prematurely cut. They should have waited out the results of the trial before cutting him.

Part of me wants to say that's ridiculous, but this is Chad Ocho Cinco.:csad:

[DeaDheaD]

It is a very "convenient" injury

[StorminNorman]

I just read that. Part of me wants to say that Chad Johnson intentionally got hurt because he didn't get his way (wanting to be traded.) I have said all along that if Chad didn't get traded he would get hurt and not be able to play...well, look what has happened.

Henry is a good player, and I think he was prematurely cut. They should have waited out the results of the trial before cutting him.

I believe in Chad Johnson here. Yes - he wanted to be traded, but he was happy as a clam last week on PTI. I don't Chad Johnson is a player that would sit out - I don't think his natural showmanship would allow it. It would betray his own ego.

That being said, I could be biased because I believe Johnson is one of the greatest stars in the NFL.

[Excel]

I like me some Ocho Cinco, but as far as talent goes, he might be the most over rated around. He needs Carson Palmer ands TJ Houshmanzadeh alot more than they need him.

[Dark Donnie]

Chad does ***** but he seems to love the game so I doubt he's faking.

[StorminNorman]

I like me some Ocho Cinco, but as far as talent goes, he might be the most over rated around. He needs Carson Palmer ands TJ Houshmanzadeh alot more than they need him.
Probably true - which is why I called him one of the greatest stars - not players ;)

[Marx]

I believe in Chad Johnson here. Yes - he wanted to be traded, but he was happy as a clam last week on PTI. I don't Chad Johnson is a player that would sit out - I don't think his natural showmanship would allow it. It would betray his own ego.

That being said, I could be biased because I believe Johnson is one of the greatest stars in the NFL.

He badmouthed the players, the coaches, and this city. Once he realized they weren't going to trade him, he completely changed his tune and became the happiest player in the NFL. And you don't find that the least bit strange?

Chad Johnson is nothing more than an ego-maniac who plays more for himself than the team. It's all rather convenient that he didn't get his way, and now he's hurt. It's all pretty transparent to me.

But then again, my contempt for him might be outweighing any objective judgement that I could ever have.

[Excel]

Of course he plays for himself, that usually means good things for his team and offense. But Ocho Cinco would be a lot less happy playing no football than playing in Cinci. W/e he is a free agent hell just go to some huge market where his act will get eaten like say, Dallas or Oakland.

[StorminNorman]

He badmouthed the players, the coaches, and this city. Once he realized they weren't going to trade him, he completely changed his tune and became the happiest player in the NFL. And you don't find that the least bit strange?

Not really. Again - I think it is Chad being Chad.

Chad Johnson is nothing more than an ego-maniac who plays more for himself than the team. It's all rather convenient that he didn't get his way, and now he's hurt. It's all pretty transparent to me.

I have never heard any problems about his work ethic. I have heard problems about him being considered an elite receiver when he may not be - but I have never seen him take plays off. I think his competitive nature is greater than his selfishness and thus he would never take himself out of a game if he could help it.

[quote]But then again, my contempt for him might be outweighing any objective judgement that I could ever have.

:csad:

[Marx]

Of course he plays for himself, that usually means good things for his team and offense. But Ocho Cinco would be a lot less happy playing no football than playing in Cinci. W/e he is a free agent hell just go to some huge market where his act will get eaten like say, Dallas or Oakland.

He is not a team player Ex. He is only out for himself. He has proven that numerous times. (A touchdown celebration that he was told over and over again not to do, but did anyway, that ended up costing his team a tremendous amount of yardage in a penalty is the most obvious example.)

Not really. Again - I think it is Chad being Chad.

Chad Johnson is nothing more than an ego-maniac who plays more for himself than the team. It's all rather convenient that he didn't get his way, and now he's hurt. It's all pretty transparent to me.

I have never heard any problems about his work ethic. I have heard problems about him being considered an elite receiver when he may not be - but I have never seen him take plays off. I think his competitive nature is greater than his selfishness and thus he would never take himself out of a game if he could help it.



:csad:

You don't go around the league badmouthing your team, players, coaches, and the city, and expect to gain respect or establish good relations with any of those people.

I think his selfishness is far greater than his competitiveness.

[DeaDheaD]

He badmouthed the players, the coaches, and this city. Once he realized they weren't going to trade him, he completely changed his tune and became the happiest player in the NFL. And you don't find that the least bit strange?

Chad Johnson is nothing more than an ego-maniac who plays more for himself than the team. It's all rather convenient that he didn't get his way, and now he's hurt. It's all pretty transparent to me.

But then again, my contempt for him might be outweighing any objective judgement that I could ever have.
90% of them play for themselves. Chad is just another "Diva"

[kane9321]

chad johnson is friggin jerk..hes a cancer to a team

[Kaleb]

As a Ravens fan, I truly feel terrible for what he bengals are going through right now :dry:, really I do.

[Kaleb]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2008/08/reed_hurting.html

According to Mike Preston of the Baltimore Sun...

Harbaugh said he didn't know when injured running back Willis McGahee would return, and that McGahee might possibly miss the entire preseason. Somehow that doesn't surprise me, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens cut him before the season is over.

McGahee has angered a lot of Ravens officials over at the Castle with his poor work ethic. He doesn't know his plays so I don't see him playing much in the first regular-season game.

[Excel]

Whats funny about Ocho Cinco is that he and the other man most known for celebrating T.D.'s (Terrell Owens) have a lot in common except one thing: T.O. actually SCORES touchdowns. Over the past 5 season-

Randy Moss: 64 (including injury-plagued 04 n 06 seasons).
Terrell Owens: 57 (including half season in 2005 when he got cut mid season and other injury plagued seasons)
Chad Johnson: 43 touchdowns (aint missed a game)

Or, Ocho averages just .53 td's pergame, while randy averaged .86 per game and T.O. averaged .85

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2008/08/reed_hurting.html

Willis aint being cut...hopefully.

Damn, my fantasy juggernaut that was my Willis McGahee/Ronnie Brown in a 20 team league aint looking hot

[StorminNorman]

Picture it... with crazy talk about Miami trading Brown and Baltimore ousting McGahee...

Willis McGahee for Ronnie Brown :eek:

[vindrow]

The Bengals just resigned Chris Henry! :applaud

I love it...lets re-sign the guy we said that we would never re-sign...nice flip flop there Marvin.

[FaT_tONle]

Well I think his job is on the line... all the insiders say he's secure but damn I can hardly see why. Obviously they are the Bengals but they have talent... to be going 8-8 at best in this run is not impressive the least bit. Marv needs to have a good 7-9 season to be back as head coach. Can't finish last in the division. And they can't afford to endure this season with a depleted wide receiving corpse.

[NewYorkSpider]

I think they need to make the playoffs if he's back next season and I don't see that happening. The whole team has spun out of control. This team has so much talent, and with the problems they're facing, it's a shame. I think the Bengals win only 5 games this season. They face the AFC South and NFC East. Plus, they have their own divison to worry about. I will be real surprised if the team makes it .500.

[Cmill216]

Marv needs to have a good 7-9 season

LOL

[FaT_tONle]

LOL

Well they are the Bengals. And as far as their talent... I can't name you one player on that team outside the skill positions on offense so they aren't THAT good on paper anyways. And I believe you can have a good year even if it is 7-9. Nice avy btw.

[Marx]

I love it...lets re-sign the guy we said that we would never re-sign...nice flip flop there Marvin.

I honestly don't think that Marvin had any say in the matter.

[Poeman]

are you guys doing fantasy again this year? cause i want in

[NewYorkSpider]

We had the draft yesterday. Themanofbat had a thread made like a month ago for people who wanted to join.

[vindrow]

I honestly don't think that Marvin had any say in the matter.



Maybe not, but I have to wonder if he made it known to management that he didn't like this or if he just went along with his mouth shut.

Anyway, Bengals welcome to a 6-10 season:hehe:

[Kaleb]

Maybe not, but I have to wonder if he made it known to management that he didn't like this or if he just went along with his mouth shut.

Anyway, Bengals welcome to a 6-10 season:hehe:


He made it known publically on an interview with nfl network that he would never have Chris Henry back, obviously managment thought differently, I kinda feel sorry for Marv as he has to deal with all those inmates, and that wouldnt happen if the bengals front office actually invested more in their scouting department and did background checks on players in College.

[Kaleb]

We had the draft yesterday. Themanofbat had a thread made like a month ago for people who wanted to join.

there is the 2nd shh league we could activate on yahoo , the same one we had last yr.

[RAMORE]

Reports out of Miami say ESPN full of dung Ronnie Brown not going anywhere but he's the second back behing Ricky!

Also Boldin wants a trade out of Arizona (guess he finally figured out he'll never win there) I say the bucs trade a first round for him. He's a great reciever, the Cardinals are gonna ask for a 1st rounder, and we could have beat them damn Giants in the playoffs last year if we had some more people who could catch the ball. What do you guys think?

[FaT_tONle]

A lot of teams would give up a first for Boldin. Eagles make the most sense. Package Shepard and the guy is yours. They need to upgrade that offense. But Mortenson said the Cardinals aren't trading him.

[Kaleb]

Terrell Suggs wants to play for arizona ( lord know why :dry:) anyway I say ravens should do a straight up trade for Suggs for Boldin, it give the Cards a much needed pass rusher ,which is esp helpful in that div and it gives the ravens a much needed no1.

[Dark Donnie]

Well Suggs played College there...still not a good enough reason.

[KALEL114]

We had the draft yesterday. Themanofbat had a thread made like a month ago for people who wanted to join.

The problem with that is he didn't let new players join. He let everyone from last year join first. Others should get the opportunity to play and not have to do the second league again like last year. Maybe it will be different next year. :up:

[DeaDheaD]

Well Suggs played College there...still not a good enough reason.
Players don't care about winning as much as they do about getting max dollar contracts.

[Kaleb]

The problem with that is he didn't let new players join. He let everyone from last year join first. Others should get the opportunity to play and not have to do the second league again like last year. Maybe it will be different next year. :up:
I say the new guys should form a league of their own and the winner gets a position with the old players next season.

[Dark Donnie]

Players don't care about winning as much as they do about getting max dollar contracts.

Well Arizona surely can't give him a max deal.

[KALEL114]

I saw the new guys should form a league of their own and the winner gets a position with the old players next season.

What if the teams that make the playoffs in the first league automaticly get a spot next year? The other spots are first come first served. That allows a nice rotation of new blood.

[BlackLantern]

What if the teams that make the playoffs in the first league automaticly get a spot next year? The other spots are first come first served. That allows a nice rotation of new blood.

You want some cheese with that whine??? :yay:

[KALEL114]

Ha ha. Not whining. Just seeing if a compromise can be made for other posters (myself included) so we can play next year. :up:

[BlackLantern]

Someone presented a very good alternative....form your own league....

[DeaDheaD]

Well Arizona surely can't give him a max deal.
other than Fitzgerald, they havent really spent a lot of their salary cap.

[Poeman]

Ha ha. Not whining. Just seeing if a compromise can be made for other posters (myself included) so we can play next year. :up:

is there a new league?...only reason i didnt look into in the first place was because i like to wait till the 3rd week of preseason when i have a good idea of playing and whos injured or not

if there isnt one, we should set one up

[KALEL114]

There was one last year (which I won :word:). I forget who started it. If you want to start a new one, make a thread and see who else will be interested in it. You can count me in. :up:

[Kaleb]

there is no new league ( unless a new one gets created ) there is still the 2nd league from last season that can be activated still.

[Alex The Great]

Hey, who's gonna win the Qb position in Baltimore? troy Smith or Kyle Boller?

[Dark Donnie]

other than Fitzgerald, they havent really spent a lot of their salary cap.

Currently:

28 Arizona Cardinals $1,160,080.00

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

They have a little over $1.5 Million left

[Kaleb]

Hey, who's gonna win the Qb position in Baltimore? troy Smith or Kyle Boller?

''word on the streets'' is that the old players ( Ray Lewis ) want Troy in, but Harbough and Offensive coordinator Cam Cameron prefer to have Boller in there as the starter.

[Alex The Great]

well then.....craaaaaap!

[Kaleb]

well then.....craaaaaap!
Although it doesnt mean much, Troy Smith is getting his 2nd consecutive start against the Rams this weekend.

[Alex The Great]

Perssonally, I hopoe Boller gets it because i have him on my fantasy team :o

[Mister J]

I believe Flacco will have them both on the bench by the end of the season. I don't figure on either being very consistent and don't see the Ravens being in contention for much of anything to stifle letting the rookie get some PT.

[Dark Donnie]

Eagles' Curtis to have sports hernia surgery

Kevin Curtis will undergo surgery to repair a sports hernia. Eagles coach Andy Reid acknowledged that Curtis will miss a "significant" amount of time.

Aug. 20 - 1:51 pm et
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
:waa:
Ravens name Troy Smith starter ... for now

The Ravens named Troy Smith their starting quarterback for their third preseason game.

The team won't announce their Week 1 starter, but this shows Smith has a big edge. As coach John Harbaugh said, they know what they have in Kyle Boller. If Smith doesn't implode, he should be The Man. That's not great news for the Ravens receivers. Aug. 20 - 12:58 pm et
Source: Baltimore Sun

[Kaleb]

:waa:

*looks to see who drafted Curtis in his fantasy league so he can make fun of him* :hehe:

[Dark Donnie]

*looks to see who drafted Curtis in his fantasy league so he can make fun of him* :hehe:

I think I have Reggie Brown....but he's still hurt anyway.

[Kaleb]

EAGLES’ CURTIS NEEDS SPORTS HERNIA SURGERY

The Philadelphia Eagles have lost their No. 1 receiver for what is being described as “a significant amount of time.”

Coach Andy Reid confirmed today that wide receiver Kevin Curtis will have sports hernia surgery. Curtis got hurt in Thursday’s preseason game against the Carolina Panthers. He attempted to practice but hasn’t been able to go full speed since.

[b]Reid said the Eagles will not bring in another wide receiver, and the starters heading into Friday’s preseason game at New England will be rookie DeSean Jackson and either Hank Baskett or Greg Lewis. Reggie Brown is out with a hamstring injury.[b]

In his first four seasons in the NFL, Curtis was mostly a role player and third receiver for the Rams. But after signing with the Eagles last year Curtis had his best season, leading the Eagles with 1,110 receiving yards on 77 catches.


souce:profootballtalk.com

[Alex The Great]

Ravens need to decide already.....MAN

[Kaleb]

I think I have Reggie Brown....but he's still hurt anyway.

yeah, hopefully its not a lingering injury.

[Kaleb]

RAVENS RUMOR MILL: Why Troy Smith should be named starter

Typically the quarterback who starts preseason game number 3 ends up being the opening day starter. The Ravens have determined who will start on Saturday against the Rams but they are keeping the choice shrouded in secrecy. When asked why Head Coach John Harbaugh deadpanned, “Not ready to announce it yet."
No one asked me but the choice from this corner is rather obvious – Troy Smith.

Why you ask?

Here’s why…

The Ravens offensive line is in disarray right now and that might be the understatement of the preseason. Until the Ravens secure the tackle positions, speed rushers will have their way with the offensive line. We’ve seen Kyle Boller do the Curly Shuffle many times under pressure. Troy Smith has a knack of avoiding rushers and making plays with his feet. He did exactly that when Jared Allen seemingly had him locked in on Saturday night for a sack. Smith turned that into an 18 yard gain.
Don’t we already know what the Ravens have with Kyle Boller? The team knows that he will shine at times and then throw some head scratcher of a pass that almost always turns into an untimely turnover. Oh and let’s not forget that Boller hasn’t won a road game since President Bush was re-elected.
Boller is almost certainly gone after 2008. Wouldn’t a more experienced Troy Smith benefit the team moving forward? Why waste the snaps on Boller during a season when there’s little hope for a post season berth?
Home field advantage is important in the NFL, particularly the Ravens. Starting Kyle Boller will quickly deflate the M&T balloon because as sure as we’re all sitting here, Boller will be booed after his first interception essentially neutralizing the 12th man. The mob will be more willing to give Smith a little latitude.


more :http://www.ravens24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=13&id=2619&view=archive

[Immortalfire]

I believe Flacco will have them both on the bench by the end of the season. I don't figure on either being very consistent and don't see the Ravens being in contention for much of anything to stifle letting the rookie get some PT.

But Troy Smith won the Heisman! He'll be the starter! [/Mark May logic]

[DeaDheaD]

Currently:



http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

They have a little over $1.5 Million left
But how many of those contracts are untouchable, I dont think it would too difficult for them to find room for Suggs.

[Kaleb]

Ricky Williams is currently slated as the Dolphins' starting running back on the depth chart but mentioned that he would be content while coming off the bench as the No. 2 back, according to the Miami Herald. He added, "It might be a flaw I have,but I have no desire to compete with Ronnie."

Our View:Williams also feels the current offensive line is the best he has ever worked with in Miami. It you draft Ricky Williams, be sure to make room for Ronnie Brown for insurance.



August 18, 2008
It's looking more and more like Ricky Williams will at least begin the season as the Dolphins' workhorse running back, according to the Miami Herald. Williams has looked good this offseason and in the preseason, and Ronnie Brown is coming back from a torn ACL and now has a thumb injury to deal with.

Our View:The Herald suggests that Brown will be worked in sparsely in the first few weeks, but he's likely to assume at least half of the workload once he gets back up to full speed. However, Ricky may just run away with the starting job. You might want to swap Ricky and Ronnie in your rankings

source:rotoworld.com



hmm.

[Alex The Great]

good thing i didn't take that trade :up:

[Dark Donnie]

good thing i didn't take that trade :up:

What was the offer?

[Alex The Great]

Marvin Harrison for Ricky Williams

[Dark Donnie]

Who were you getting....personally I would take Ricky. Only because RB's are harder to come by IMO.

[Alex The Great]

I wa giving away Marvin Harrison for Ricky Williams

[Kaleb]

Marvin Harrison for Ricky Williams

:woot::hehe:

[Alex The Great]

I didn't take it.....thank goodness :woot:

[RAMORE]

The eagles lost their #1 reciever they might as well hang it up now.

How does boldin to philly make more sense than to the bucs we're going to be the one's in the playoffs and hopefully NFC championship game?

[Cmill216]

Bolden to Philly makes more sense because it's a far more dire need for the Eagles than it is for the Bucs right now. In the long term, yes, Tampa would murder a field of baby sheep for a wide receiver like Bolden, but I would imagine Philly being willing to give up more for him because of their immediate desperate need for outside help.

[FaT_tONle]

Bucs are old at receiver and running back and QB. They don't have future replacements for those positions. So Boldin would fit a huge need there... but I don't think it's worth giving up a 1st rounder when your offense is built year to year. Phillies have to make the move because their in the toughest division and they owe it to McNabb to give him an outside target. You want to add that type of player while Westbrook and McNabb are in their prime.

[NewYorkSpider]

*looks to see who drafted Curtis in his fantasy league so he can make fun of him* :hehe:

I drafted Curtis. :csad: As long as the Bills start Josh Reed I'll be fine.

[Kaleb]

I drafted Curtis. :csad: As long as the Bills start Josh Reed I'll be fine.

He wont be starting as he is 4th on the depth chart behind Lee Evens,James Hardy and Roscoe Parish.

[Alex The Great]

I drafted Curtis. :csad: As long as the Bills start Josh Reed I'll be fine.
:hehe:

[Double Down]

Boldin will not get traded.

[DeaDheaD]

He wont be starting as he is 4th on the depth chart behind Lee Evens,James Hardy and Roscoe Parish.
Has Hardy been doing that well? I haven't heard much about him, even when he played here in Indiana all we heard was how tall he was, other than that, nothing.

[Kaleb]

Has Hardy been doing that well? I haven't heard much about him, even when he played here in Indiana all we heard was how tall he was, other than that, nothing.

Hardy is very raw, he doesnt have great hands and he needs to work on his route running, he is still a project that needs to develop; however, he should begin his career as a nice red zone option for the Bills due to his size.

[Alex The Great]

Fantasy wise, I really need Troy Smith to do well.

[DeaDheaD]

Thats what I was thinking, I'm not saying that he doesn't have great potential but it looked like you were saying he was a starter.

[Kaleb]

Steven Jackson has ended his holdout and will report.

[Alex The Great]

well, he SHOULD be the starter for this season. Becuase i've added him and cut MR. Boller for him. so hopefully the coaches have common sense :csad::o

[Double Down]

Fantasy wise, I really need Troy Smith to do well.

I am a big Ohio State fan, so I will say ... good luck with that! That can't really be your best quarterback, can it?

[Alex The Great]

Oh no my good sir. I Have Brett Favre. But i need a good backup incase he's injured (my team isn't great per say. but i have good receivers!)

[Double Down]

Oh no my good sir. I Have Brett Favre. But i need a good backup incase he's injured (my team isn't great per say. but i have good receivers!)

That's good, Is Kurt Warner available?

[BlackLantern]

Our FF draft for our office is next Saturday....someone is trying to trade Portis for Brett Favre...I'm on the committee and vetoed that garbage

[Kaleb]

Our FF draft for our office is next Saturday....someone is trying to trade Portis for Brett Favre...I'm on the committee and vetoed that garbage


lol that trade is laughable.

[Marx]

Our FF draft for our office is next Saturday....someone is trying to trade Portis for Brett Favre...I'm on the committee and vetoed that garbage

:funny:

[Dr. Evil]

Our FF draft for our office is next Saturday....someone is trying to trade Portis for Brett Favre...I'm on the committee and vetoed that garbage

:lmao:

[NewYorkSpider]

He wont be starting as he is 4th on the depth chart behind Lee Evens,James Hardy and Roscoe Parish.

Reed, Hardy and Parish are all fighting for the #2 spot.

[Kaleb]

Reed, Hardy and Parish are all fighting for the #2 spot.

Josh Reed (back) has resumed practicing with the Bills.

Reed will likely be Buffalo's fourth receiver this year, but the top choice to start if Lee Evans or James Hardy goes down. Roscoe Parrish would probably stay in the slot.
Source: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=BUF


Thats all I know about the situation.

[NewYorkSpider]

Thats all I know about the situation.


This came from Yahoo.

Parrish is in a tight battle with Josh Reed and rookie James Hardy for the No. 2 receiving spot. Both Parrish and Hardy are being hampered by minor injuries, while Reed just came back from a sore back which sidelined him for over a week.

Source - http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7231/news

[Silver Knight]

S-Jax has ended his holdout.

[Excel]

I like Troy Smith as the starter a lot. For real. And YES, out of my 5 fantasy leagues, I have Ricky in all 5 of my leagues. XL predicts 1,500 yards and 15 touchdowns!

[cyborg ninja 14]

Hey, who's gonna win the Qb position in Baltimore? troy Smith or Kyle Boller?

Joe Flacco?

[Double Down]

Joe Flacco?

On ESPN today they were saying Flacco is developing very slowly.

[Excel]

I dont like Flacco; he was 3rd round talent AT BEST until they discovered he could throw the ball 80 yards.

[Kaleb]

Raiders ledgend and nfl head of players association Gene Upshaw has passed away.

http://www.wjbo.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=4127682

[DeaDheaD]

Raiders ledgend and nfl head of players association Gene Upshaw has passed away.

http://www.wjbo.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=4127682
Wonder what this means for the Collective Bargaining talks.

[BlackLantern]

maybe it means that something productive will get done....Upshaw was notoriously stubborn and there were rumors of his ousting before this NFL season got underway......

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah Troy Vincent was going to take over....

[DeaDheaD]

maybe it means that something productive will get done....Upshaw was notoriously stubborn and there were rumors of his ousting before this NFL season got underway......
I always thought Upshaw was known for getting deals done, even drawing criticism for maybe giving the owners too much..

[RAMORE]

maybe it means that something productive will get done....Upshaw was notoriously stubborn and there were rumors of his ousting before this NFL season got underway......

^this is true but a little harsh man i mean the guy just died:csad:

[RAMORE]

Bolden to Philly makes more sense because it's a far more dire need for the Eagles than it is for the Bucs right now. In the long term, yes, Tampa would murder a field of baby sheep for a wide receiver like Bolden, but I would imagine Philly being willing to give up more for him because of their immediate desperate need for outside help.

What's a few sheep:oldrazz:

[RAMORE]

Bucs are old at receiver and running back and QB. They don't have future replacements for those positions. So Boldin would fit a huge need there... but I don't think it's worth giving up a 1st rounder when your offense is built year to year. Phillies have to make the move because their in the toughest division and they owe it to McNabb to give him an outside target. You want to add that type of player while Westbrook and McNabb are in their prime.

The problem with this statement is that McNabb is past his prime. He's going down hill now and I don't mean he just peaked and just started going down hill hes been walking down since he was to tired to finish the fraking super bowl:mad: Now westbrook is in his prime and he needs to be sent to a team that will use him properly. IMO.

[Ironfan72]

He made it known publically on an interview with nfl network that he would never have Chris Henry back, obviously managment thought differently, I kinda feel sorry for Marv as he has to deal with all those inmates, and that wouldnt happen if the bengals front office actually invested more in their scouting department and did background checks on players in College.

The teams receiving core is not well right now, TJ is currently nursing a hamstring injury, he say's he's 80% right now, I wouldn't look for him to play any pre-season games, Chad has a minor shoulder injury, he claims he will play in there next pre-season game, but team officials most likely will hold him out.
Cincy wasted several draft picks this year on receivers, includiing a 2nd round pick on Jerome Simpson out of Coastal Carolina, the coachs have not been impressed with him at all, saying he lack's speed and good hands.
I'm not thrilled that Chris Henry was resigned, you can't denie his talent, but what's in his head is the problem, you have to work hard to be arrested 4 times in one year.
The rest of the receiving core lacks either experience, with Andre Caldwell (R) florida, Glenn Holt and what experience they do have in Antonio Chatman is nearing the end of his career.
Picking up Ben Utecht (TE) from Indianapolis was a big pick up, as Carson Palmer hasn't had a pass catching tightend in the 6 years in Cincy, they plan on using several 2 tightend sets with Utecht & Reggie Kelly.

[rdh007]

I always thought Upshaw was known for getting deals done, even drawing criticism for maybe giving the owners too much..

I'd agree here. When you look at what baseball and basketball get, this becomes pretty evident. Still, RIP

[Kaleb]

Don’t read much into the comments by ESPN’s Chris Mortensen on “Monday Night Countdown” that the Dolphins could be looking to trade RB Ronnie Brown. The way we hear it, it was purely speculation, and coach Tony Sparano was adamant at his Aug. 20 press conference that he will not do such a thing. Even if they were unhappy with Brown, whose preseason numbers have certainly been uninspiring in his first action since tearing his ACL in Week Seven last season, his trade value couldn’t be any lower than it is right now. However, what we do hear is that the roles of Brown and Ricky Williams have changed, at least temporarily. Initially, it was believed that Williams was going to be the complement to Brown as soon as Brown was fully healthy. Now, it appears that Brown will play the role of reliever to Williams, regardless of his knee health. The coaches have been so thoroughly impressed with Williams — one team source called him “clearly the best player on the team” — that only slippage on his part will revert the RB hierarchy to Brown being on top. Williams is set to become a free agent after the season, so expect the club to lock him up before he hits the market if he continues performing in such a fashion.


source:profootballweekly

[Dark Donnie]

The problem with this statement is that McNabb is past his prime. He's going down hill now and I don't mean he just peaked and just started going down hill hes been walking down since he was to tired to finish the fraking super bowl:mad: Now westbrook is in his prime and he needs to be sent to a team that will use him properly. IMO.

So you think Boldin fits better in Tampa with an aging Garcia?

Fact is if Boldin came to Philly they'd be up there with Dallas for the division, same can be said for Tampa and there division. Boldin is a great player and would help any team.

[FaT_tONle]

I just wouldn't invest that kind of money in a player like Boldin unless I have my QB situation solidified for the next three four years... if they had a guy they were developing that could step in after Garcia then it's fine but the Bucs don't have that. Eagles at least have a young guy they can insert at QB if McNabb's skills start to diminish and that young guy would have an immediate number one target if the Eagles were to make that move.

[Cmill216]

The problem with this statement is that McNabb is past his prime. He's going down hill now and I don't mean he just peaked and just started going down hill hes been walking down since he was to tired to finish the fraking super bowl:mad:

If McNabb is past his prime, WTH is Garcia?

It's really a moot point, as Donnie said. Either the Birds or the Bucs would greatly benefit from his services.

I just wouldn't invest that kind of money in a player like Boldin unless I have my QB situation solidified for the next three four years...

The Cardinals invested money in Fitzgerald, Bolden, and Johnson long before they had Leinart or Warner. Some pseudo long-term stability at the QB position is irrelevant to whether or not you'd get your money's worth out of a guy like Bolden. He's going to make whoever is throwing to him better.

[Showtime]

I like Troy Smith as the starter a lot. For real. And YES, out of my 5 fantasy leagues, I have Ricky in all 5 of my leagues. XL predicts 1,500 yards and 15 touchdowns!

:csad:

[StorminNorman]

Troy Smith is like the less talented bastard son of Kordell Stewart and Doug Flutie...

I smell Canton.

[FaT_tONle]

The Cardinals invested money in Fitzgerald, Bolden, and Johnson long before they had Leinart or Warner. Some pseudo long-term stability at the QB position is irrelevant to whether or not you'd get your money's worth out of a guy like Bolden. He's going to make whoever is throwing to him better.

True... but Fitzgerald was a rookie and he needed a year or two to develop. And Boldin wasn't a 1st round draft pick. I don't aquire pricey veteran wideouts unless I am solidified at QB for a good number of years. Unless I am just putting all my chips into this year. I'm sure the Bucs have cap space and all to bring him in but I wouldn't make that move just yet considering what I would have to give up.

[StorminNorman]

The longer Arizona remains convinced that Leinart is their future- they are doomed for failure. Bolden won't change that.

[Kaleb]

Troy Smith = poor mans Seneca Wallace.

[StorminNorman]

Apparently the immortal J.T. O'Sullivan is challenging Alex Smith for the starting spot in San Francisco.

...

:dry:

[ElToro]

Apparently the immortal J.T. O'Sullivan is challenging Alex Smith for the starting spot in San Francisco.

...

:dry:

Jt is starting again tonight.I still believe Alex Smith should start.

[Kaleb]

J.T has proven to be the quicker learner under mad martz system.

[ElToro]

yea thats true.
But i have to say vs the packers.Both JT and Alex Smith did great.
Alex smith did started throwing the ball more.

[Double Down]

The longer Arizona remains convinced that Leinart is their future- they are doomed for failure. Bolden won't change that.

Exactly.

[Excel]

The longer Arizona remains convinced that Leinart is their future- they are doomed for failure. Bolden won't change that.

Too true. His epic failures with that array of weapons is pathetic. Hes been a much bigger bust than Bush.

[Silver Knight]

Too true. His epic failures with that array of weapons is pathetic. Hes been a much bigger bust than Bush.
He should have left school in 04.

[Kaleb]

Profootballtalk.com is hearing that there's "quiet concern" in the Chargers' organization that Shawne Merriman's career could be over.

Anytime a player has knee surgery, then revisits Dr. James Andrews it leads to worry, but Norv Turner likes how Merriman's looked. "When he’s been able to practice and move around he’s looked awfully good to me," Turner said. "He’s had some soreness. I think he wants to get it checked out."



source:rotoworld.com



lights out :(

[Raiden]

He should have left school in 04.

I don't think it would have made him a better QB. At least right now the teams who passed him in the draft are feeling justified in their action.

[Silver Knight]

I don't think it would have made him a better QB. At least right now the teams who passed him in the draft are feeling justified in their action.
I guess he lost his will to win because he was a star at USC.

[Immortalfire]

The longer Arizona remains convinced that Leinart is their future- they are doomed for failure.

LoL, too true

[DeaDheaD]

Profootballtalk.com is hearing that there's "quiet concern" in the Chargers' organization that Shawne Merriman's career could be over.

Anytime a player has knee surgery, then revisits Dr. James Andrews it leads to worry, but Norv Turner likes how Merriman's looked. "When he’s been able to practice and move around he’s looked awfully good to me," Turner said. "He’s had some soreness. I think he wants to get it checked out."



source:rotoworld.com



lights out :(
Maybe he shouldn't have stopped taking his "tainted vitamins".....:hehe:

[kane9321]

yea thats true.
But i have to say vs the packers.Both JT and Alex Smith did great.
Alex smith did started throwing the ball more.

Its all bs ...alex smith should be starting tonite,the fact is that our stupid head coach doesnt know crap about his players and his offense..(no way alex would have been playing last yr with a seperated shoulder) Nolan threw alex under the bus last yr cause he just knew he was gonna get fired at the end of the season.An injured player shouldnt have to compete for "his" starting job when he's fully healed...Alex should be starting by week 5:woot:

[Poeman]

there is no new league ( unless a new one gets created ) there is still the 2nd league from last season that can be activated still.

whats this second league?

I want in if we can get a league going im sure there could be a group that is dedicated enough to play

[kane9321]

another thing..if martz wasnt the OC JTO wouldnt even be on the team....qb competion my butt..it was rigged from the start

[DeaDheaD]

JT isnt only being considered as a starter b/c of his time in Detroit, Smith isnt great but if he learns the offense then maybe he can reclaim the starting spot

[StorminNorman]

J.T has proven to be the quicker learner under mad martz system.

I don't care if there is a somewhat logical excuse or not - if J.T. O'Sullivan is beating out your franchise QB, you are admitting a mistake.

Too true. His epic failures with that array of weapons is pathetic. Hes been a much bigger bust than Bush.

That I would never question. I always had him as the bust of the first round draft class with Cutler being the best QB.

He should have left school in 04.

True, he still would be a bust - but a bust that had a larger contract and in a nicer city.

Profootballtalk.com is hearing that there's "quiet concern" in the Chargers' organization that Shawne Merriman's career could be over.

Anytime a player has knee surgery, then revisits Dr. James Andrews it leads to worry, but Norv Turner likes how Merriman's looked. "When he’s been able to practice and move around he’s looked awfully good to me," Turner said. "He’s had some soreness. I think he wants to get it checked out."



source:rotoworld.com



lights out :(

I won't be shedding any tears if true.

another thing..if martz wasnt the OC JTO wouldnt even be on the team....qb competion my butt..it was rigged from the start

There is no way the 49ers would side with Martz over their first round draft pick.

[DeaDheaD]

There is no way the 49ers would side with Martz over their first round draft pick.
I wouldnt bet on that. It seems like they have all but given up on Smith in SF.

[StorminNorman]

I wouldnt bet on that. It seems like they have all but given up on Smith in SF.

Because of Smith's own production though - not because of Martz.

[DeaDheaD]

Because of Smith's own production though - not because of Martz.
Right, so either way, unless Smith starts learning the system quicker, JT is the man in SF. From what I've seen Alex needs "Norv Turner" system and he's not going to get it in SF.

[BlackLantern]

what school did O'Sullivan go to?? I'd never even heard of him until this whole QB issue came up

[Excel]

I want Alex Smith to win the job...his youtube overthrows are hilarious

[StorminNorman]

what school did O'Sullivan go to?? I'd never even heard of him until this whole QB issue came up

The Powerhouse of the University of California - Davis

Go Aggies!

[DeaDheaD]

what school did O'Sullivan go to?? I'd never even heard of him until this whole QB issue came up
The Bears had him for a season, if only we had Martz as our OC..........

[Alex The Great]

heh. so the Troy Smith/ Kyle Boller still isn't settled? dan git. i need them to decide fast or else! :cmad:

[Cmill216]

heh. so the Troy Smith/ Kyle Boller still isn't settled? dan git. i need them to decide fast or else! :cmad:

I know. The state of the free world hangs in the balance.

[Alex The Great]

hah, well i have Troy Smith on my SHHFFL fantasy team so....:o

[BlackLantern]

I have Jay Cutler as my QB and I'll be drafting a backup

[Dr. Evil]

Wait, what happened to Shaun Hill in San Fran?

[Double Down]

From Yahoo!
Aug 19 Head coach Ken Whisenhunt might not name Warner or Matt Leinart his Week 1 starter until game-time, the Cardinals' official site reports.
Recommendation: However, Whisenhunt admits that it might be hard to keep the starter's name under wraps for that long. The main takeaway is that Whisenhunt is doing nothing to squelch the rumors of a quarterback controversy and the uncertainty could last through some or all of the season.
I knicked the following off another site, but its very true. This is why Warner should definitely start over Leinart:
Warner threw 27 TDs in only 11 starts last year and finished in the top-10 in most QB categories, including passer rating (89.8), TD's per game, and yards per game.
Matt Leinart, through 5 games, posted the worst passer rating in the NFL (61.9) and threw the fewest yards per game (129!). He completed only 0.4 TD's per game, and tossed 2 interceptions for every TD. Despite having two Pro Bowl wide receivers -- Fitzgerald and Boldin -- he only managed to throw 1 TD to Boldin and zero to Fitz.
Warner, on the other hand, averaged 1 TD per game to each.

[Double Down]

In addition, under Warner, the Cardinals had the second best red zone offense in the NFL (behind only the Patriots and Tom Brady). And look at these touchdowns and passes thrown numbers:
Drew Brees - 28 TDs on 652 attempts
Peyton Manning - 31 TDs on 515 attempts
Marc Bulger - 11 TDs on 378 attempts
Carson Palmer - 26 TDs on 575 attempts
Kurt Warner - 27 TDs on 451 attempts
Brett Favre - 28 TDs on 535 attempts
Derek Anderson - 29 TDs on 527 attempts
Jon Kitna - 18 TDs on 561 attempts
Matt Hasselbeck - 28 TDs on 562 attempts
Donovan McNabb - 19 TDs on 473 attempts
Matt Leinart - 2 TDs on 112 attempts
Warner's numbers compare better than all of those quarterbacks, yet of them, Warner is the only one not starting.
And the bad part is that he was just getting comfortable in the offense. In weeks 10 to 17 last year, he threw 21 touchdowns. As a comparison, Brady threw 20 touchdowns in weeks 9 through 17 (week 10 was a bye week).
If they do go with Leinart, this will prove why the Cardinals will always be mediocre at best.

[Kaleb]

Your Indianapolis Colts could be in trouble.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/08/national-football-post-diner-talk-2/

Quote:
FROM MIKE CHAPPELL OF THE INDY STAR… As for being ready for the Colts’ nationally-televised opener against the Bears, Manning offered optimism, not a guarantee. “That is my goal, to be ready for that first game…it has been my goal all along,” he said in his first interaction with the media since a July 24 conference call. “Hopefully it continues to progress up until that point.” Manning was unable to predict when he might be cleared to practice. He also didn’t know how much practice time he would need to get up to speed for the Bears game. Manning has been working extensively with Erin Barill, the Colts’ director of rehabilitation, following Barill’s exhaustive regimen. “I’ve had a tough month,” Manning said. “It’s truly been a challenge for me, certainly something totally different than I’ve had to ever experience. Just constant rehab.” He has worked at regaining the range of motion in his left knee, done some throwing to keep his arm in shape, is lifting weights and has been able to do some light running. He did some light throwing at Lucas Oil Stadium and walked around the field with a wrap on his left knee, but no noticeable limp. “As far as when and how much time I’ll need, we’ll just kind of have to wait and see for that,” Manning said.

I talked to several people in the NFL yesterday who know things and they assure me that Peyton Manning’s knee is a huge concern for the Colts. Apparently Manning had to go through another procedure on his knee to clean things out after having his bursa sac removed last month. What is the most concerning is not the second operation (which the Colts are denying), but that they cannot control the swelling in Manning’s knee and any physical movement causes MORE swelling. Once he returns to the game, gets hit, has to place a load on the knee, and drive the ball, there can be swelling. All I know is that there is MUCH more here than meets the eye. Manning has the trainer come over to HIS home for rehab and is rarely seen. Now, I have been with some big-time quarterbacks in my career like Joe Montana and Rich Gannon and never have they rehabbed from home. I thought this was not an issue and that Manning would be back. However, after talking to my friends in the league, it’s clear that this is a HUGE concern short- and long-term for the Colts.


Yeesh

[BlackLantern]

Why did they wait so long to do the procedure....? Wouldn't it have been smarter to do it right after last season ended?

[Excel]

I dont see how Warners not starting, I really dont.

[Double Down]

I dont see how Warners not starting, I really dont.

That's why the NFL doesn't make sense. Sometimes teams will justify making a high draft pick and make him the starter when he doesn't deserve it (Matt Leinart) and sometimes they don't (Brady Quinn).
Favre is in a grey area because he retired and the team moved on.

[Raiden]

If Manning isn't healthy, Colts should put him on the DL until he gets better. There's no reason to rush him back this season, since he is still young. Colts will still have a chance next season with Manning to make a run for SB.

[Marx]

Your Indianapolis Colts could be in trouble.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/08/national-football-post-diner-talk-2/



Yeesh

Wow...that's really upsetting. :csad:

Hopefully he will not return until he is completely at 100 percent. Any sooner and it's not worth it!

[kane9321]

Wait, what happened to Shaun Hill in San Fran?

he's our 3rd string qb

[StorminNorman]

I think with Manning healthy the Colts still may finish 4th in their division - without Manning, its a lock.

[Alex The Great]

Colts might lose manning? *happy dance*

[Dr. Evil]

About the death of NFLPA Head Gene Upshaw:

- His doctors are to blame as it could have been diagnosed a lot sooner and he would have not passed away.

[Dr. Evil]

JT is playing well for San Fran.

[Marx]

Colts might lose manning? *happy dance*

By the way Alex, how's Tom Brady doing? Last I heard, his ankle wasn't the greatest...

[BlackLantern]

Tom Brady still has nightmares of Osi, Justin Tuck, and Strahan pounding him into the turf during the Super Bowl...

[Marx]

Tom Brady still has nightmares of Osi, Justin Tuck, and Strahan pounding him into the turf during the Super Bowl...

:lmao:

[Dr. Evil]

Tom Brady has Giselle Bundchen as a consolation prize for not winning the Super Bowl.

[BlackLantern]

Tom Brady has Giselle Bundchen as a consolation prize for not winning the Super Bowl.

...which is why no one should ever feel bad for Tom Brady....

[Alex The Great]

Tom Brady is an android created by SkyNet. Which explains why he's so good. And so beutiful.

[FaT_tONle]

I am watching this preseason game on Fox right now and I have a question... why again did the Bears release Benson? Off the field issues or was he just a terrible RB?

[BlackLantern]

off the field issues...and him not being worth the trouble

[Marx]

off the field issues...and him not being worth the trouble

Wasn't it alcohol related? Or am I thinking of someone else?

[Alex The Great]

is it the regular season yet?

[Excel]

Wasn't it alcohol related? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Multiple offender of "Boating under the influence"

Btw Tommy is great, and it was his foot, not ankle. ;) :up:

[Double Down]

And he was terrible. You can be one or the other, but not both.

[BlackLantern]

Tom Brady is an android created by SkyNet. Which explains why he's so good. And so beutiful.

that explains why he failed to complete his mission.....

[BlackLantern]

And he was terrible. You can be one or the other, but not both.

yea...if you are going to boat or drive drunk you better be cracking off 1,000 yard seasons on a regular basis.....anything less and you can kick rocks...

[Excel]

Well, its not like his passing game gave him any sort of help.

[Marx]

Multiple offender of "Boating under the influence"

Btw Tommy is great, and it was his foot, not ankle. ;) :up:

Regardless, they still choked in the Superbowl.





(I couldn't resist. :hehe:)

[DeaDheaD]

I just cant figure this team out, if the defense is good the offense sucks, if the offense sucks the defense is good, the special is either fumbling or scoring touchdowns........oh and Rex is still on the team :dry:........


Benson was released over the Boating DUI incident, and he was fighting with the cops, lied to the Bears about it, plus he can't stay healthy, pass-block, become an every down player, catch the ball, run the ball and he refuses to be a good team-mate for some reason.

[Marx]

I just cant figure this team out, if the defense is good the offense sucks, if the offense sucks the defense is good, the special is either fumbling or scoring touchdowns........oh and Rex is still on the team :dry:........


Benson was released over the Boating DUI incident, and he was fighting with the cops, lied to the Bears about it, plus he can't stay healthy, pass-block, become an every down player, catch the ball, run the ball and he refuses to be a good team-mate for some reason.

I'm still trying to figure that one out...

[Alex The Great]

that explains why he failed to complete his mission.....
Your Words Hurt, Man

[DeaDheaD]

I'm still trying to figure that one out...
I think he's paying the Bears to stay on the team.

[Alex The Great]

:hehe:

[DeaDheaD]

robbie Gould!!!!!!!!

[Double Down]

Quarterback Derek Anderson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7389/;_ylt=Ah.7y2H7zWyzmot9elEg4h0dsLYF) (concussion), running back Jamal Lewis (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5034/;_ylt=Ao5Nd86uH43VHFIrssMz9N4dsLYF) (hamstring), receiver Braylon Edwards (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7179/;_ylt=AqK2Grv4U5rHRC1g2RvEhVQdsLYF) (foot), kick returner Joshua Cribbs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7448/;_ylt=Anl7waNcfffgUux5y1hJWUcdsLYF) (ankle), safety Brodney Pool (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7210/;_ylt=AgzQA.m_k_9Qxoz2120YcesdsLYF) (concussion) and linebacker Willie McGinest (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2743/;_ylt=ApboRA7NPVXbjHiQ2Z.ITa8dsLYF) (groin) may all miss the next preseason game for the Browns.

[Marx]

I think he's paying the Bears to stay on the team.

You may just be onto something DH.

[The_Mystery]

For all you Brady haters, he's still miles better than any of your teams QB's (with the exception of Manning of course).

[Double Down]

Dolphins setting up Williams trade?
By Jason Cole

One of the amusing stories this week was the idea floated by a couple of media outlets that the Miami Dolphins will trade or release running back Ronnie Brown. The concept of Miami turning over its future at running back to Ricky Williams (pictured) is considered absurd by some NFL folks.

Dolphins coach Tony Sparano subsequently denied the report about Brown (not that denials by Dolphins officials carry much weight these days). And it's not that Brown, who is recovering from a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee, is assured of a long-term future with the Dolphins. Brown has had, at best, middling success since being the No. 2 overall pick in the 2005 NFL draft.



Brown, nursing a sprained thumb, has only six yards on five carries in two games this preseason. Conversely, Williams, who is on his latest comeback attempt, has 74 yards on 15 carries.

Throughout the offseason and to this point, Dolphins vice president of football operations Bill Parcells has floated the idea that he likes Williams a lot. While Williams is a gifted player and more accomplished than Brown, a high-ranking executive with another NFL team guffawed at the notion that Parcells is going to keep Williams over Brown long term.

"I would have one word for that: Insanity," the executive said. "Maybe you keep Ricky around if you can sign him after this year for a reasonable contract (Williams is entering the final season of his deal). I could see that. But really what this looks like is Bill is setting up a trade. That's exactly what I think. He's trying to light a little fire under Brown and also pump up Ricky's value so he can deal him in October. I don't blame him for doing it, but don't buy into all that stuff about Ricky being the long-term solution. Really, you'd have to be a fool to believe that."

As the executive then noted, Williams missed four games of 2005, all of 2006 and part of 2007 because of drug-related suspensions. He also retired and sat out the entire 2004 season with a league-mandated suspension looming.

"Like I said, you'd be a fool to bet the long-term prospects of your team on that guy and Bill Parcells is no fool," the executive said. "Great player. Completely undependable."

Given that Williams is 31, a trade seems to be the most likely scenario after some team suffers injuries at running back. Last season, Tampa Bay gave up a fourth-round pick for backup Michael Bennett after injuries ravaged its depth at running back.