2008 NFL Thread

[Franklin Richards]

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[War Party]

You all do know that not all Philly fans are the way ESPN perceives them. And I still can't believe people bring up that Santa stuff. It was over 40 years ago and you people need to get over it. When you actually live here and go see the Eagles, Phillies, Flyers, and Sixers, it's hardly ever the way the media portrays the city and its fans. And don't let a few people on a messageboard form your perception on Philly fans. Yes they're are some big jerks and people who are never satisfied in this city, but we're all not like that. I love McNabb and he's the best QB this team has ever had. We deserve him. This city just wants a winner and championships are pretty damn scarce here.

[Dark Donnie]

its definatly going to be a shootout ( not so much as last nights game ), I expect Rogers numbers to drop slightly, but he now seems to be comfortable in his offense .

Same here...I have him in a league but I'm a little worried. It's his first tough test on one hand, but the game could turn out like last night.

You all do know that not all Philly fans are the way ESPN perceives them. And I still can't believe people bring up that Santa stuff. It was over 40 years ago and you people need to get over it. When you actually live here and go see the Eagles, Phillies, Flyers, and Sixers, it's hardly ever the way the media portrays the city and its fans. And don't let a few people on a messageboard form your perception on Philly fans. Yes they're are some big jerks and people who are never satisfied in this city, but we're all not like that. I love McNabb and he's the best QB this team has ever had. We deserve him. This city just wants a winner and championships are pretty damn scarce here.

I agree 100%, this perception bothers me because it's not how I am or my friends that go to the games. A few idiots gave a whole fanbase a bad name.

[Franklin Richards]

I won't bring up the Santa thing or the batteries. What I will bring up is the fact that when Michael Irvin was stretched out on the ground with a possible broken neck, the Philly fans cheered.

Cheered.


Pathetic.


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[Ace of Knaves]

Yea the Boyz much hyped up secondary didn't perform that well last night. I think Rogers will do okay, not massive numbers but competetive ones.

[War Party]

I won't bring up the Santa thing or the batteries. What I will bring up is the fact that when Michael Irvin was stretched out on the ground with a possible broken neck, the Philly fans cheered.

Cheered.


Pathetic.


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I was actually concerned. Never like seeing guys get hurt. You should say a "select thousand Philly fans" instead of just Philly fans.

[Darthphere]

I was actually concerned. Never like seeing guys get hurt. You should say a "select thousand Philly fans" instead of just Philly fans.

Yes, because a thousand makes it better.:huh:

[Ace of Knaves]

well its better than 60,000 phily fans!

[Dark Donnie]

Yes, because a thousand makes it better.:huh:

1000 fans in a group of 62,000 is not alot.

[Darthphere]

1000 fans in a group of 62,000 is not alot.

It's a ******** number anyway, theres no way for him to come up with that number.

[Ace of Knaves]

By what you are all saying I would compare Eagles fans to Newcastle United fans. Newcastle United are a crappy little club with delusions of grandeur, well i suppose Eagles aren't a crappy little club. But Newcastle fans at the start of every season say they are gonna win the FA cup or finish in top 6 of the league, and then when it goes pear shaped they start whingeing and moaning. They havn't won a trophy in 50 years yet they still believe they are a big club. They are a joke to all other football fans in England.

[Dark Donnie]

By what you are all saying I would compare Eagles fans to Newcastle United fans. Newcastle United are a crappy little club with delusions of grandeur, well i suppose Eagles aren't a crappy little club. But Newcastle fans at the start of every season say they are gonna win the FA cup or finish in top 6 of the league, and then when it goes pear shaped they start whingeing and moaning. They havn't won a trophy in 50 years yet they still believe they are a big club. They are a joke to all other football fans in England.

The Eagles have have one of the better records over the last 10 years.

It's a ******** number anyway, theres no way for him to come up with that number.

Just like it's a ******** notion to label all Philly fans a certain way because of actions of a few thousand.

[Franklin Richards]

By what you are all saying I would compare Eagles fans to Newcastle United fans. Newcastle United are a crappy little club with delusions of grandeur, well i suppose Eagles aren't a crappy little club. But Newcastle fans at the start of every season say they are gonna win the FA cup or finish in top 6 of the league, and then when it goes pear shaped they start whingeing and moaning. They havn't won a trophy in 50 years yet they still believe they are a big club. They are a joke to all other football fans in England.



No... that's them.


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[War Party]

It's a ******** number anyway, theres no way for him to come up with that number.

I pulled the number completely out of my ass. Honestly though, I'm having a good time watching my teams without being a jerk or overly critical like many other fans. I just love sports in general, but I got to have someone to root for. You people hate all you want.

[Dark Donnie]

No... that's them.


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What has Dallas won in the last 10 years? They haven't even won a playoff game. At least we got to the NFC Championship 4 times, and to the Superbowl.

[Franklin Richards]

What has Dallas won in the last 10 years? They haven't even won a playoff game. At least we got to the NFC Championship 4 times, and to the Superbowl.

We have a larger grace period than the Eagles. You know why?

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[Excel]

Psh. Live in the now. New millenium is all New England Patriots. 3 Super Bowl Titles. And undefeated season. Greatest QB ever. Scariest player/most dangerous player ever. Greatest coach ever. Arguably greatest team ever.

Yup, thats right.

[Franklin Richards]

He's the one bringing up the past. But if you want to live in the now...

The Boys are undefeated and just beat Philadelphia on MNF.


Ahhhhhhh....

And when did NE have an undefeated season? I thought only Miami did that. And 3 doesn't equal 5. Also the greatest QB ever should prolly have 4 or more Superbowls. And the most dangerous player ever was prolly Bullet Bob Hayes. Greatest Coach would have to come from the Mt. Rushmore of the NFL. Lombardi, Landry, Brown, and Halas.

Greatest team? Please.


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[Kaleb]

You know as much as I cant stand you Cowboys and Eagles fans *****ing about each others franchise , I have to say im glad none of you are redskins fans, RUGHHHRG I hate that organisation with a passion they havnt done anything of note in the past couple of yrs. their front office is the laughing stock of the nfl , I mean even the browns front office is better .

[kane9321]

Psh. Live in the now. New millenium is all New England Patriots. 3 Super Bowl Titles. And undefeated season. Greatest QB ever. Scariest player/most dangerous player ever. Greatest coach ever. Arguably greatest team ever.Yup, thats right.

Stop right there

joe montana- greatest qb ever

jerry rice/john taylor- scariest players/most dangerous players ever

bill walsh- greatest coach ever

[Spider-Fan]

He's the one bringing up the past. But if you want to live in the now...

The Boys are undefeated and just beat Philadelphia on MNF.


Ahhhhhhh....

And when did NE have an undefeated season? I thought only Miami did that. And 3 doesn't equal 5. Also the greatest QB ever should prolly have 4 or more Superbowls. And the most dangerous player ever was prolly Bullet Bob Hayes. Greatest Coach would have to come from the Mt. Rushmore of the NFL. Lombardi, Landry, Brown, and Halas.

Greatest team? Please.


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To be fair, the boys have 5 SB's over the course of their history (2 dating back to the 70s), while the Pats have 3 this decade. I think comparing the Pats to just the 90's era Boys is more appropriate than taking the teams entire history into account, especially since this is a discussion of legendary teams and that group of Cowboys and the 2000 era Pats are both the best teams of their decade.

Of course, I have no right to talk about champions in recent history, since my Browns have won nothing since a couple years before the 1st SB, and that was the last title any of the 3 major teams in Cleveland have won. But since it is the topic, Montana is the best QB ever, and the 80's era 49ers was the best team ever.

[Ace of Knaves]

yea IMO Joe Montana is the greatest ever QB. Tom Brady might have broken records but that isn't everything.

[Immortalfire]

Psh. Live in the now. New millenium is all New England Patriots. 3 Super Bowl Titles. And undefeated season. Greatest QB ever. Scariest player/most dangerous player ever. Greatest coach ever. Arguably greatest team ever.

Yup, thats right.

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[Erzengel]

Psh. Live in the now. New millenium is all New England Patriots. 3 Super Bowl Titles. And undefeated season. Greatest QB ever. Scariest player/most dangerous player ever. Greatest coach ever. Arguably greatest team ever.

Yup, thats right.
The 2001 - 2004 Patriots were a good team. But they are way behind the 70 Steelers, 80 49ers and the 90 Cowboys.

[Go Web Go!]

Psh. Live in the now. New millenium is all New England Patriots. 3 Super Bowl Titles. And undefeated season. Greatest QB ever. Scariest player/most dangerous player ever. Greatest coach ever. Arguably greatest team ever.

Yup, thats right.

I'll leave it to the others to skewer you on the majority of these ''facts'', but I do want to correct you on just one because, well, I'm a homer.

17-0, PERFECT Season > 18-1, Undefeated REGULAR Season.

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[Ace of Knaves]

I think the real test of the Pats greatness will be this year without Brady. Without him I don't see Moss putting up great numbers.

[DeaDheaD]

Stop right there

joe montana- greatest qb ever

jerry rice/john taylor- scariest players/most dangerous players ever

bill walsh- greatest coach ever
San Francisco much?

[Go Web Go!]

Without him I don't see Moss putting up great numbers.

Of course not, because in order for Moss to succeed he needs a QB that's as good at throwing the ball as he is at catching it. Culpepper was a top QB for a stretch in Minnesota and had one of the best seasons in NFL history at his position - but people forget because Peyton Manning was obliterating records that same season. Moss then goes to Oakland and does what? Nothing. People were writing him off in large part because he had nobodies throwing to him. One season in New England with golden boy Brady at the helm, and he's back to first ballot HOF'er. When you're great, you're great anywhere you go. T.O. is the perfect example, love or hate the guy. Not to say that Moss isn't great, but in my opinion, that (not to mention lack of rings) is what will keep people from mentioning him in the same sentence with guys like Rice.

[Raiden]

Of course not, because in order for Moss to succeed he needs a QB that's as good at throwing the ball as he is at catching it. Culpepper was a top QB for a stretch in Minnesota and had one of the best seasons in NFL history at his position - but people forget because Peyton Manning was obliterating records that same season. Moss then goes to Oakland and does what? Nothing. People were writing him off in large part because he had nobodies throwing to him. One season in New England with golden boy Brady at the helm, and he's back to first ballot HOF'er. When you're great, you're great anywhere you go. T.O. is the perfect example, love or hate the guy. Not to say that Moss isn't great, but in my opinion, that (not to mention lack of rings) is what will keep people from mentioning him in the same sentence with guys like Rice.

I have to agree with you on Moss. I have him on my fantasy team and so far he has done nothing significant with Cassel at the helm, and that is against some mediocre defenses (KC and NYJ).

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't play fantasy football but if i was to pick a WR from the Pats it would be Wes Welker. I just think hes there go to guy, even last season he had more receptions than Moss didn't he? Moss is obviously quick and can make big plays but if your talking about consistency then Welker is the way to go.

[Dark Donnie]

I remember someone asking about Kornheiser's Apology...apparently someone took offense to this:

"I took high school Spanish, either he said he's not going to be caught, or please pick up my dry cleaning tomorrow."

And later, this:


"I said something before which I shouldn't have said, I apologize for it. Not my first mistake, undoubtedly won't be my last, but a 100% apology."

[Immortalfire]

I will pay one of you handsomely to bump Kornheisier off.

[Hunter Rider]

Ouch.....It'll take a while to remove that sturdily lodged foot from his mouth.

Awesome game between The Eagles and The Cowboys, Barber is a monster! :wow:

[Assassin32]

Kornheiser is a comedic genius.

[Go Web Go!]

I don't play fantasy football but if i was to pick a WR from the Pats it would be Wes Welker. I just think hes there go to guy, even last season he had more receptions than Moss didn't he?

Yeah, he was tied Houshmandzadeh for most receptions in the league last year, if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, and I was wondering why Kornheiser apologized out of the blue last night. I didn't think any of his comment. People are just way too sensitive nowaday. Take a joke, people...as unfunny as it was.

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah Welker was a Reception beast.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea well i don't think T.J will put up numbers like that this year. What the hell has happened to Carson Palmer? I know the Bengals O-line isn't brilliant, but I think I have to agree with what Deion Sanders said on primetime, Carson has to look in the mirror and realise he is mostly to blame.

[FaT_tONle]

Yea the Boyz much hyped up secondary didn't perform that well last night. I think Rogers will do okay, not massive numbers but competetive ones.

It has nothing to do with the secondary.... Mcnabb had all day... same with Romo. If you let a QB pump and flush and dink and dunk your dead. That's why the game was so high scoring. That's why all the teams in the NFC East are decent. Look no further than the O-lines.

[ih8nyy]

San Francisco much?

What makes you say that................ :dry: :whatever:

[Excel]

Of course not, because in order for Moss to succeed he needs a QB that's as good at throwing the ball as he is at catching it. Culpepper was a top QB for a stretch in Minnesota and had one of the best seasons in NFL history at his position - but people forget because Peyton Manning was obliterating records that same season. Moss then goes to Oakland and does what? Nothing. People were writing him off in large part because he had nobodies throwing to him. One season in New England with golden boy Brady at the helm, and he's back to first ballot HOF'er. When you're great, you're great anywhere you go. T.O. is the perfect example, love or hate the guy. Not to say that Moss isn't great, but in my opinion, that (not to mention lack of rings) is what will keep people from mentioning him in the same sentence with guys like Rice.

Wait what? You couldnt have it more backwards. Moss has made his qbs A LOT Btter everwhere he went. Stats dont lie. And if you REALLY want to start the qb argument, Rice had some pretty damn good QB's...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/13244-how-good-is-randy-moss

Just how good is RANDALL GENE MOSS?

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I've always been a big fan of Randy Moss - going all the way back to watching the highlights of him sprinting through D1-AA defenses with those green and white striped Marshall socks. Then I started thinking about all of the facts about Randy Moss and how good he has been throughout his career - except for that brief stint in Oakland.

(Sidebar - doesn't it almost seem like the stint in Oakland should be able to be edited out of his resume? I mean, if you can find a way to put Animal House on TBS, there has to be a way to not allow that period onto his profile. It's almost like he was blackout drunk at a frat party......he just wasn't himself.)

Here are some facts to chew on:

Moss has 124 TDs in 10 years. That's more than halfway to Jerry Rice's record of 197. Moss probably won't play 20 years (and to be fair, Rice had 131 after 10 years. But....we're talking about Jerry Rice here)
Moss has 12,193 yards. Hall of Famer Michael Irvin had 11,904 in his 12 year career. Oh...and Irvin had 65 TDs......just over half of Moss's total.
Most WRs blossom in their 3rd year and look completely lost as rookies. In his rookie season, Moss had 1,300 yards and 17 TDs. Rice had 900 yards and 3 TDs. Irvin 650/5; Harrison 800/8; Chad Johnson 300/1.
The only rookie who came close in recent years was, believe it or not, Terry Glenn with 1100 yards and 6 TDs.
In 1999, after getting absolutely torched by Moss in 1998 (his rookie year) the Green Bay Packers selected defensive backs in the 1st 3 rounds and another in the 7th. Think about that, they went into the 1999 draft with the specific intention of finding a way to stop Randy Moss - who was a rookie the year before!!!!!
Probably the most impressive piece of his resume is how much better he made each of his quarterbacks. In hindsight, Brady's incredible season seemed almost inevitable when you combined one of the best QBs of all time with Moss' obscene talents. Here's a comparison of each of Moss' QBs throughout his career and their average stats with him and without him.
(Sidebar - I omitted the Raider years. It's my blog and, if The Sopranos can be on A & E, than I can edit the stats for my blog.)

Let's go in chronological order starting with Randall Cunningham.
(Sidebar - by the way, can anyone have lucked into a better situation than Randall did in 1998. He was out of the league in 1996 and the MIN backup in 1997. Then in 1998 Brad Johnson gets hurt and Randall comes in and, 10 times per game, he closes his eyes and throws the ball about a mile in the air - to nobody in particular - and Moss would casually sprint to where the ball was going, jump higher than anyone else, and Cunningham gets an All Pro year out of it. At the age of 35 and 6 years removed from his prime. I hope he bought Moss a nice Xmas gift that year.)

Randall Cunningham (1 season)
Average year:
w/out Moss
3,200 yards - 22 TDs
w/Moss
3,700 yards - 34 TDs (13th best single season total)

Jeff George (1 season)
Average year:
w/out Moss
220 yards per game - 17 TDs
w/Moss
282 yards per game - 23 TDs (and he only started 10 games - over 16 games this would project to 37 which would have been the 9th best ever)

Daunte Culpepper (4 full seasons)
Average year:
TOTAL w/out Moss
3,800 yards - 20 INTs, 13 TDs (again, that's his TOTALS for the 3 years since he played with Moss)
w/Moss
3,700 yards per season - 26 TDs (including 39 in 2004 - 6th best of all-time, 33 in 200 - 15th best)

And, of course...
Tom Brady (1 season)
Average year:
Average w/out Moss
3,600 yards - 25 TDs (obviously, Brady was already one of the best QBs ever before Moss came along. But, his career high in TDs was 28 - which he did in 2004 and 2002. That's the 55th best total of all time)
w/Moss
4,900 yards - 50 TDs (The 50 TDs is, obviously, a new record. The 4,896 passing yards is second only to Dan Marino's 5,084 in 1984. Brady's previous high was 4,110 - goo for 47th)


Again, Brady was an outstanding player before Moss and you can't attribute all of the jump in his numbers to Moss......but he sure helped.

Of the 4 qbs, only Jeff George did not break his career high in TD passes when he played with Moss. And that's because he only started 10 games - projected out over 16 games he would have crushed his career high.

Cunningham broke his career high by 4. Brady by 22 (22!!!). Culpepper had 26 more tds in 2004 than he has since he left Moss.

This may all be a coincidence - or maybe Moss is just so freaking good that everyone around him benefits (unless you're wearing black and gold)

It is too bad Cassel threw such an ugly ball to Randy on the deep route because he BURNED his man by a good margin, you can watch the play here at 1:32-

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80acd836

If you REALLY wanna start the Moss vs. Owens argument and whose better, how was Owens when DREW BLEDSOE was throwing him the ball? How come Owens was quiet in his first 2 season while playing with STEVE YOUNG? After a break 3rd year, he went back to being average at best in his 4th. Moss been dominant every season he played. Moss has been held to udner 1000 yards twice in his career, Owens has 5 times. Moss has gotten double digit touchdowns in 7 seasons, Owens in 7 while playing 2 more season than Moss. But no doubt the most impressive stat, has has had 4 seasons-1998, 2003, 2004, and 2007- where he averaged over a touchdown a game. That is simply absurd.

[The Game]

The 2001 - 2004 Patriots were a good team. But they are way behind the 70 Steelers, 80 49ers and the 90 Cowboys.

Way behind the 90's Cowboys? I can't go for that one

[Tigerking]

Just wonderin what everyone else thinks, but what do you think was the greatest defense of all time? I would have to go with the 2000 Ravens, these guys would just shut down opponents and were just scary all around.

[The Game]

Just wonderin what everyone else thinks, but what do you think was the greatest defense of all time? I would have to go with the 2000 Ravens, these guys would just shut down opponents and were just scary all around.

Steel Curtain, just look at what they did to teams, THEY were the reason for the Steelers being so succesful

[Dark Donnie]

New Power Rankings after Week 3:

2008 Power Rankings: Week 3
RK (LW) TEAM REC COMMENT

1 (1) Cowboys 2-0-0 Survived a game against the Eagles that they easily could have lost. Now they just have to prepare for a showdown with the Packers. (MM)

2 (2) Steelers 2-0-0 The Steelers took control of the AFC North with a big win over Cleveland. Now it's time for Pittsburgh to prove it's one of the elite teams in the NFL with another big road game against Philadelphia. (JW)

3 (5) Giants 2-0-0 The Giants summarily dismissed the Rams, but that's not saying much. The Giants have found success in the post-Umenyiora era. (MM)

4 (7) Packers 2-0-0 They've feasted on two winless teams. Now the Packers face the biggest game of the young season: A home matchup against Dallas that should establish early NFC supremacy. (KS)

5 (6) Eagles 1-1-0 Valiant effort against the Cowboys by Donovan McNabb and the rest of his team. (MM)

6 (9) Patriots 2-0-0 They're still the AFC East team to beat even if they don't have superduperstar QB Tom Brady. Matt Cassel played it safe against the Jets, and that was good enough. They should be 3-0 with the Dolphins coming to Foxborough. (TG)

7 (8) Colts 1-1-0 Fortunate to be 1-1 and in position to drop Jacksonville to 0-3. Run game and run defense have to improve. (PK)

8 (12) Panthers 2-0-0 Undefeated without WR Steve Smith and only better as he comes back from a two-game suspension. Defense playing at best level in years. (PY)

9 (11) Titans 2-0-0 Last time the Titans started 2-0 was 1999, when they made their only Super Bowl appearance. Upcoming schedule is awfully friendly. (PK)

10 (13) Bills 2-0-0 The Bills scored 10 points in the fourth quarter in a comeback victory in the Jacksonville heat. They should be 3-0 after their home game against the reeling Raiders. (TG)

11 (19) Broncos 2-0-0 The Broncos might have been fortunate to beat San Diego, but there is nothing lucky about Denver's offense. It is a scoring machine. (BW)

12 (4) Saints 1-1-0 Looked a lot like the disappointing 2007 team against Washington after a strong opener. (PY)

13 (3) Chargers 0-2-0 The Chargers will not have it easy against the Brett Favre-led Jets on Monday night. But this is a must win if San Diego wants to salvage this season. (BW)

14 (21) Cardinals 2-0-0 Kurt Warner has put together consecutive starts without a turnover for the first time in a season since 2004. That makes the Cardinals a different team. (MS)

15 (15) Bears 1-1-0 There's no shame in losing at Carolina on a 100-degree day. The Bears' defense, at least, is for real. (KS)
16 (14) Jets 1-1-0 They had their chance to assert themselves as the new AFC East force but looked like they weren't ready for the mantle. Will have difficulty avoiding an 1-2 record Sunday at San Diego. (TG)

17 (20) Buccaneers 1-1-0 Looks like Brian Griese will stay as QB of the present and rely on strong defense. (PY)

18 (10) Jaguars 0-2-0 The run game is stalled, and interior line injuries may mean it can't get going. Can Jerry Porter get on the field and help create room? (PK)

19 (23) Redskins 1-1-0 Much-needed win against the Saints. Hopefully coach Jim Zorn can get things going again now that his team has seen how successful it can be. (MM)

20 (22) Ravens 1-0-0 An unexpected bye week allowed the Ravens to get healthy. But 15 consecutive games the rest of the way might catch up to them later in the season. (JW)

21 (16) Vikings 0-2-0 It's already apparent that Tarvaris Jackson isn't the quarterback they should have entrusted with a playoff-caliber team. (KS)

22 (17) Browns 0-2-0 An 0-2 start puts the Browns in an early hole. It's now or never for last year's Cinderella. (JW)

23 (18) Seahawks 0-2-0 The only thing better than a bye week for the banged-up Seahawks: a home game against the reeling Rams in Week 3. (MS)

24 (24) Texans 0-1-0 Coming off an unscheduled bye. Just 2-10 all-time against the Titans, a record that has to improve if they are to move up in the division. (PK)

25 (27) 49ers 1-1-0 The 49ers have new life on offense, but J.T. O'Sullivan has taken sacks on 23 percent of pass plays. (MS)

26 (25) Falcons 1-1-0 Matt Ryan found out it's not always going to be easy. Michael Turner found he can't rush for 220 yards each week (PY)

27 (30) Raiders 1-1-0 "The Darren McFadden Show" earned spectacular reviews against the Chiefs in Week 2. Oakland needs to keep letting the rookie show what he can do. (BW)

28 (26) Bengals 0-2-0 What's going on in Cincinnati? One offensive touchdown in two games from Carson Palmer, Chad Ocho Cinco and Co. is not going to cut it. (JW)

29 (31) Lions 0-2-0 They showed a little life in the second half against Green Bay. But only the Lions could give up 24 points in the final six minutes. (KS)

30 (28) Dolphins 0-2-0 They were thoroughly embarrassed in a 31-10 loss to the Cardinals. The Dolphins couldn't stop the pass and failed to muster any semblance of an offense. RBs Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown have been invisible. The WRs have been absent, too. (TG)

31 (29) Chiefs 0-2-0 The Chiefs might not have a whole lot of chances to win this season. They must take advantage of their chance Sunday at Atlanta.(BW)

32 (32) Rams 0-2-0 The offense has scored one touchdown in two games. The defense has given up nearly 1,000 yards. Not good. (MS)

Broncos would be in my top ten.

[Bond]

I don't think the Steelers are good enough to be #2.

[Dark Donnie]

I don't think the Steelers are good enough to be #2.

I really haven't seen enough of them this year to decide. I'll be at The Eagles Steelers game this weekend so we shall see.

[Kaleb]

The Steelers are at no2 cause of who they defeated (browns and texans ).

[Ace of Knaves]

yea how did the Bills and Titans beat the Broncos into that top 10? I predict big things for the Broncos this year, and in particular Jay Cutler.

[FaT_tONle]

ESPN does a fair job with their rankings... sometimes they get wrapped up in the hype... but compared to other rankings I have seen... they do a decent job. Panthers might be too low and the Giants might be too high but there is really not a whole lot of wiggle room there. Eagles and Colts are the teams I'd move down though.

[Ace of Knaves]

Didn't Brandon Marshall pull in like 18 passes against the Bolts? I am really really liking Denver this year. Now that Cutler has got some medication sorted out for his diabetes i think he will have a brilliant year, maybe 4,000-4,500?

[Dark Donnie]

Rankings look fine to me. Again The Broncos could probably move up a little.

[Alex The Great]

The Broncos are my sleeper pick for the superbowl. They look fantastic.



Bills looks like there gonna win the division if the Pats lose some games. which they will :(.


And how in the hell are the cardinals 2-0?

This season is ****ed up.

[Cmill216]

Way behind the 90's Cowboys? I can't go for that one

In terms of talent, I agree with Erz.

The Patriots simply knew how to win games better than nearly any team ever assembled, IMO. No matter the circumstance, Brady's ability to perform in the clutch and Belichick's defensive schemes made them. But in terms of pure talent, I don't think they stack up to old 49ers and Cowboy teams.

[FaT_tONle]

In terms of talent, I agree with Erz.

The Patriots simply knew how to win games better than nearly any team ever assembled, IMO. No matter the circumstance, Brady's ability to perform in the clutch and Belichick's defensive schemes made them. But in terms of pure talent, I don't think they stack up to old 49ers and Cowboy teams.

That 2007 team was as talented as it gets... I agree with the Superbowl teams though. I think a lot of it had to do with awful competition. Other than the Colts (who didn't have a defense) who else was there? I mean obviously the 2001 Superbowl was an anomaly that should have never ended with a Pats win. But what other teams in 2003/2004 were any good? Steelers were decent but not dominant. They had that one great year in 2004 but they were never consistently that good. Eagles were never a big time football team. They got to the Superbowl one year when the conference was horrible. Jets were still bad. Broncos stunk. Just not a whole lot of legitimate competition from 2003 to 2004.

[Alex The Great]

What a surprise, The Dolphins are 0-2 and look to be goin 0-3.

They'll win a couple. But.....there doomed for destruction

[Cmill216]

That 2007 team was as talented as it gets... I agree with the Superbowl teams though. I think a lot of it had to do with awful competition. Other than the Colts (who didn't have a defense) who else was there? I mean obviously the 2001 Superbowl was an anomaly that should have never ended with a Pats win. But what other teams in 2003/2004 were any good? Steelers were decent but not dominant. They had that one great year in 2004 but they were never consistently that good. Eagles were never a big time football team. They got to the Superbowl one year when the conference was horrible. Jets were still bad. Broncos stunk. Just not a whole lot of legitimate competition from 2003 to 2004.

The funny thing about those Patriots teams is that I don't think they would've been able to beat some of the successive Super Bowl winners.

The 2002 Buccaneers had one of the three greatest defenses ever assembled. The 2005 Steelers were suffocating on defense, but also created big plays on offense. The 2006 Colts could score with anyone, but also had more than enough defense to clamp down the likes of Deion Branch and Corey Dillon.

[FaT_tONle]

The funny thing about those Patriots teams is that I don't think they would've been able to beat some of the successive Super Bowl winners.

The 2002 Buccaneers had one of the three greatest defenses ever assembled. The 2005 Steelers were suffocating on defense, but also created big plays on offense. The 2006 Colts could score with anyone, but also had more than enough defense to clamp down the likes of Deion Branch and Corey Dillon.

I don't know if I'd go that far... I mean the Bucs you just don't know. I don't know how Philly blew that Championship game. Maybe the Bucs were that good. All I remember were the Eagles giving up big play after big play so you probably know better. And the matchup could not have worked more favorably in that Superbowl. The best Pat teams would have faired well... not the 2007 team though. In 2005 they would have had the home game against the Steelers had they gotten through. That would have been a good matchup. 2006 Colt team was better than the Pats on every level and they beat them in the playoffs so there is no argument there. But I think the old Pat teams would have found a way to win that game.

[Double Down]

The Broncos are my sleeper pick for the superbowl. They look fantastic.



Bills looks like there gonna win the division if the Pats lose some games. which they will :(.


And how in the hell are the cardinals 2-0?

This season is ****ed up.

Kurt Warner!

[Cmill216]

I don't know if I'd go that far... I mean the Bucs you just don't know. I don't know how Philly blew that Championship game. Maybe the Bucs were that good. All I remember were the Eagles giving up big play after big play so you probably know better.

Well, I'm going to put my homer hat on, so here goes:

The 2002 Buccaneers gave up fewer points than the 85 Bears, and that was with a 16 game schedule, two more games than the Bears played.

Tampa beat Philadelphia by absolutely smothering McNabb, while offensively they used a no-huddle offense to create plays against the Eagles blitz.

If they had to face the 2001-2004 Patriots, it'd be a complete toss-up. New England's defense could contain Tampa's offense, but on the flip side, the Patriots wouldn't have been able to move the ball with the likes of Deion Branch and David Givens. Not against a defense that had Simeon Rice, Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber, and John Lynch ALL in their primes.

And the matchup could not have worked more favorably in that Superbowl.

This can't be denied. They had the game won before kickoff.

The best Pat teams would have faired well... not the 2007 team though. In 2005 they would have had the home game against the Steelers had they gotten through. That would have been a good matchup. 2006 team was better than the Pats on every level and they beat them in the playoffs so there is no argument there. But I think the old Pat teams would have found a way to win that game.

The thing I'll say about the early Pats is that while their offense wasn't nearly where it was in the 2007, the defense was far more stifling and athletic. That's how they'd stay in a game with those aforementioned teams. But those teams also had more defense than I think those Patriot offenses could handle. Just my opinion.

[FaT_tONle]

If they had to face the 2001-2004 Patriots, it'd be a complete toss-up. New England's defense could contain Tampa's offense, but on the flip side, the Patriots wouldn't have been able to move the ball with the likes of Deion Branch and David Givens. Not against a defense that had Simeon Rice, Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber, and John Lynch ALL in their primes.

You see that's the problem... you went from comparing era to specific teams. Of course I am taking the 2002 Bucs over MOST teams with a one game do or die everything on the line football game. But if I could pull the best Pat players (pre-Randy Moss/Welker cause then it just wouldn't be fair)... you got Bruschi, Vraebel, Harrison, Wilfork, Seymour, Law... all those guys... but that still wouldn't be fair for obvious reasons. And let me say again, I don't agree that the Steelers and Colts would have been locks to beat the Pats the years they won the Superbowl. The Pats just weren't that good in 2005 and 2006.

[Ace of Knaves]

Who were the big names in the 2002 Bucs offence? I wern't really that familier with the NFL back then.

[Showtime]

We have a larger grace period than the Eagles. You know why?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/trophies.jpg




Those look kind of rusty.

Psh. Live in the now. New millenium is all New England Patriots. 3 Super Bowl Titles. And undefeated season. Greatest QB ever. Scariest player/most dangerous player ever. Greatest coach ever. Arguably greatest team ever.


Patriots fans all across the East Coast just puked in their mouths...

The 2001 - 2004 Patriots were a good team. But they are way behind the 70 Steelers, 80 49ers and the 90 Cowboys.

So the 2006 and 2007 Patriots teams wouldn't be included? I think they are the team of this decade, nobody is even close.

[Excel]

Patriots fans all across the East Coast just puked in their mouths...

No they didnt. That for the most part is true. They are the team of the new millenium/this decade, that is unarguable. Brady is up there if not the best qb in the league. Moss was undefended for most of last year until they routinely put him him i ndouble coverage with safety help 40 yards back. Belichick IS the winning coach in playoff history.

The Patriots won for the simplest reasons: brilliant coaching and brillant teamwork to execute said plans. 2007 they start off just like that, except with Moss instead of Brown, Stallworth instead of Givens, Welker as new Branch. Maroney the new Antowain Smith. That why they looked SO GOOD. However, they so deviated from the plan thta by the end of the season, it was simply the Brady and Moss show, and than at the end, the Maroney and Offensive line show. no more team work, the defense felt less pressure to keep in games. Than in the game they really needed to play AS A TEAM, they couldnt do it until that last drive. They came full circle from 2002.

So I will openly agree with anybody who says the Pats never were the most talented team ever during any of their super bowl titles; their 2007 for most talented is another story though.

[Cmill216]

You see that's the problem... you went from comparing era to specific teams. Of course I am taking the 2002 Bucs over MOST teams with a one game do or die everything on the line football game. But if I could pull the best Pat players (pre-Randy Moss/Welker cause then it just wouldn't be fair)... you got Bruschi, Vraebel, Harrison, Wilfork, Seymour, Law... all those guys... but that still wouldn't be fair for obvious reasons.

Well, my bad for the confusion.

At the end of the day, I'll just say that the Patriots of the 2000s aren't the greatest of the great dynasties in terms of pure talent, but in terms of finding ways to win games in any way, shape, or form, they do deserve the recognition.

Who were the big names in the 2002 Bucs offence? I wern't really that familier with the NFL back then.

Keyshawn Johnson
Keenan McCardell
Joe Jurevicius
Mike Alstott

They weren't a stud offense by any stretch of the term, but they were far more reliable than, say, the 2000 Ravens offense.

[Ace of Knaves]

IMO the most important player for the Pats last season was Welker. He just came up trumps in the clutch every single time.

[Excel]

IMO the most important player for the Pats last season was Welker. He just came up trumps in the clutch every single time.

Clutch, if not counting Brady, has to be KFaulk. He was invaluable last season.

[Showtime]

No they didnt. That for the most part is true. They are the team of the new millenium/this decade, that is unarguable. Brady is up there if not the best qb in the league. Moss was undefended for most of last year until they routinely put him him i ndouble coverage with safety help 40 yards back. Belichick IS the winning coach in playoff history.

They were no doubt the team of the 2000's, I don't think you can argue another team for the spot, yet. There are a couple years left.

When you start talking greatest team of all time, greatest quarterback of all time, and so on...you can make a lot of arguments.

[FaT_tONle]

Those look kind of rusty.

Say that to 20 other teams in this league. Plus the Cowboys have been in contention and have won multiple Superbowls in two different decades... Steelers are the only other team that have the same opportunity. Pats have only a little more than about one decade going back to 97-2008. They are pretty what the early 80's to mid 90's 49ers were only with two fewer championships. THat's why the Giants Superbowl kills you. Your dynasty is not on par with the other dynasties.

[StorminNorman]

Keyshawn Johnson
Keenan McCardell
Joe Jurevicius
Mike Alstott

They weren't a stud offense by any stretch of the term, but they were far more reliable than, say, the 2000 Ravens offense.

Trent Dilfer FTW!

I will still argue to my death that the best team of the modern NFL (which I consider 99+) is the 99-00 Rams. They had arguably one of the best offenses of all time and what many forget is the defense St. Louis, a great unit overlooked because of the Greatest Show on Turf.

[Excel]

Your dynasty is not on par with the other dynasties.

Not yet. But:

3 Super Bowl titles, another Super Bowl appearence, another AFC Championship appearence, 16-0 regular season; 23 game winning streak, 24 game regular season game wining streak (and counting)-

in a 7 season span is obnoxious.

[FaT_tONle]

Not yet. But:

3 Super Bowl titles, another Super Bowl appearence, another AFC Championship appearence, 16-0 regular season; 23 game winning streak, 24 game regular season game wining streak (and counting)-

in a 7 season span is obnoxious.

Well this year is gone... Moss and Welker will be two years older from what they were in 07 by the time Brady gets back. You had an undefeated regular season for whatever that is worth. If the Pats can string together another Superbowl here then you can put them on par with these other teams. But Montana's/Walsh's offense would have buried the Giants in that spot. THe Steel Curtain would have sacked Manning in that spot and broken some legs in the process... and Dallas would have pretty much done both to the Giants. Pats need another Championship in this window... which is closing fast.

[Excel]

This season isnt over. I dont want to get into it, but it is week 2. Dont forget how they won their super bowls in the first place. They were never the most talented team on the field (except for the one they lost, ironically).

They cant afford another injury though.

BTW I also want to add that before we get ahead on the Broncos, they should have lost last week.

[Cmill216]

Trent Dilfer FTW!

I will still argue to my death that the best team of the modern NFL (which I consider 99+) is the 99-00 Rams. They had arguably one of the best offenses of all time and what many forget is the defense St. Louis, a great unit overlooked because of the Greatest Show on Turf.

If Shaun King wasn't Shaun King, Tampa would've beaten that ass in the NFC Championship game.

But I do agree that their defense was criminally underrated.

[FaT_tONle]

This season isnt over. I dont want to get into it, but it is week 2.

Yeah you are right. Just a gut feeling of mine. They came full circle from 2002 Superbowl to the 2008 Superbowl. It was a fitting end to their stint. I don't think they'll be in serious Superbowl contention for the remainder of this Brady/Belicheck run. They'll make the playoffs but that's not the same thing. Only time will tell.

[Excel]

Well, we'll see...there is a way, several ways actually, I think they can work into an appearence down in Tampa, but it all depends on so many damn things. We'll just have to wait and see.

[FaT_tONle]

One thing I'll add... this is a prime year for the Steelers and Colts to come through and really cement their signifigance in this decade with the Pats and Chargers (presumed favorite) facing the obstacles they face. An analogy would be the Cowboys/Dolphins of the 70's... Giants of the 80's, Broncos of the 90's. So I think there is a good chance the Steelers or Colts win another one sooner than later.

[Cmill216]

One thing I'll add... this is a prime year for the Steelers and Colts to come through and really cement their signifigance in this decade with the Pats and Chargers (presumed favorite) facing the obstacles they face. An analogy would be the Cowboys/Dolphins of the 70's... Giants of the 80's, Broncos of the 90's. So I think there is a good chance the Steelers or Colts win another one sooner than later.

I definitely can see Pittsburgh doing it. That division is a complete mess right now.

If Indy can get Saturday back, I think they'll shake out of their funk.

[Caped Crusader]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/trophies.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/captainamerica.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/captainamerica.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/captainamerica.gif

Man.. Those look dusty, they havent been touched in over a decade. :brucebat:

[NewYorkSpider]

The Cowboys cheerleader's are better than the Patriots cheerleader's.

:waits for Excel to start argument:

[Excel]

The Cowboys cheerleader's are better than the Patriots cheerleader's.

:waits for Excel to start arguement:

http://blog.silinx.com/uploaded_images/alison_preston_playboy_5-798927.jpg

Dayummmmmmm!

[Bond]

Cowboys have the best cheerleaders in the league. Hands down.

[Caped Crusader]

Cowboys have the best cheerleaders in the league. Hands down.

Yes they do.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t215/Rob1088/JerryJonesCrying.jpg

:oldrazz:

[Double Down]

Shaun Alexander and Cedric Benson worked out for the Lions today. They can't be happy with Rudi. I still see Shaun signing with the Bengals, though.

[Franklin Richards]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/DCC1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/captainamerica.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/captainamerica.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/captainamerica.gif

[Nightmare]

Wow.

[Dark Donnie]

Cedric Benson-RB-Lions Sep. 17 - 8:17 am et

News 8 Austin is reporting that the Lions have agreed to terms with free agent RB Cedric Benson.

No word yet on Benson's expected role with the Lions, but we suspect they've soured on stutter-stepping Rudi Johnson as Kevin Smith's backup. Benson is probably not a threat to Smith's starting job. He could work his way into some type of committee work, but he's going to have show more burst than he did with the Bears in 2007.
Source: Detroit Free Press

[Ace of Knaves]

Cedrick Benson is craaaaaap

[Dark Donnie]

Bob Sanders Out 4-6 Weeks (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080917/SPORTS03/809170369/1058/SPORTS03)

The guy is great but he can't stay healthy.

[Ace of Knaves]

He tore his shoulder didn't he? But yea he is a great player when fit.

[Dark Donnie]

I believe it was his ankle this time.

[Ace of Knaves]

What so it isn't a continuation but a whole new injury? Damn that isn't very good is it.

[Dark Donnie]

It appears to be...

[Immortalfire]

Cowboys have the best cheerleaders in the league. Hands down.
The first, and still the greatest.

[Raiden]

The first, and still the greatest.

Cowboys cheerleaders are definitely the best and the most famous in NFL, and Laker girls are likewise in NBA.

[Excel]

Just heard God was out for over a month, Colts in trouble

[Cmill216]

Bob Sanders is brittle.

[Kaleb]

which 0-2 team will get their first win this week?

Vikings ?
Jags ?
Browns ?
Phins ?
Bengals ?
Chargers ?
Lions ?
Seahawks ?
Rams ?

[Cmill216]

Seahawks are playing the Rams. Seahawks.

[Franklin Richards]

Must Win for the Chargers.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Kaleb]

Agree with both of you.

[Excel]

Must Win for the Chargers.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Yup; though they SHOULD have won last week.

[Dark Donnie]

This is a must win for The Vikings....they have to win the division if they want to make the playoffs.

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't mind the Chargers but I hate Phillip Rivers. He comes across like a right arrogant arse-hole. Did anyone see that clip on the NFL network where he was shouting at Jay Cutler? He looked like a right prick

[Erzengel]

They should have won their first game too.

[Double Down]

The Browns should win their next two games vs. the Ravens and Bengals.

[BlackLantern]

I wouldn't sleep on the Ravens....

[Dexter M0rgan]

Too bad about Troy Smith's problems

[Immortalfire]

Bob Sanders is brittle.

Nooooo

[Mister J]

Enter Gus Frerotte (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3593304)

See ya, Tavaris.

[Poeman]

Ferotte sucks too.

[BlackLantern]

Nooooo

Uncomfirmed reports claim that Bob Sanders needs to save the planet of Jupiter from a hostile alien invasion...his inury is just a cover....

[Double Down]

Frerotte is better than Tarvaris. But then, anyone is.

[Double Down]

Adam Schefter of the NFL Network said the Vikings could have had Sage Rosenfels for a second round pick, but wouldn't offer more than a fourth. They should have made that move.

[Kaleb]

Adam Schefter of the NFL Network said the Vikings could have had Sage Rosenfels for a second round pick, but wouldn't offer more than a fourth. They should have made that move.

Brad Childres is one of the most egotistical coaches Ive seen, he has turned down so many oportunities to get quality Qb/ wr in the offseason because he believes that he can develope them with his system .

[Raiden]

Brad Childres is one of the most egotistical coaches Ive seen, he has turned down so many oportunities to get quality Qb/ wr in the offseason because he believes that he can develope them with his system .

I think he will pay for his mistakes with his job eventually.

[Dr. Evil]

So the Vikings replace one sucky QB with another?

Nice job.

[BlackLantern]

They went from a QB who sucks to a QB who blows....no pun intended

[Mister J]

Adam Schefter of the NFL Network said the Vikings could have had Sage Rosenfels for a second round pick, but wouldn't offer more than a fourth. They should have made that move.
I wouldn't give up a second round pick for Sage Rosenfels either. In recent memory, Chris Chambers went for a 2nd; Jason Taylor went for a 2nd (and a 6th); Brett Favre will, at best, run the Jets a 2nd (they're not making the Super Bowl). Rosenfels isn't anywhere near the quality of any of those guys. I'm not sure he's that much better than Frerotte. A 3rd is as high as I would gone.

They just need someone to come in and not make woeful mistakes. Sage isn't going anywhere. They might as well test out the #2 QB on the roster before giving up draft picks for another journeyman.

[BlackLantern]

Maybe Flutie is interested...or Jesse Palmer...Trent Dilfer even

[Ace of Knaves]

Maybe they could coax Daunte Culpepper out of retirement?

[BlackLantern]

Maybe they could coax Daunte Culpepper out of retirement?

...with a cheeseburger

[Ace of Knaves]

LOL i think he is better than Jackson and Frerotte though

[Kaleb]

I wouldn't give up a second round pick for Sage Rosenfels either. In recent memory, Chris Chambers went for a 2nd; Jason Taylor went for a 2nd (and a 6th); Brett Favre will, at best, run the Jets a 2nd (they're not making the Super Bowl). Rosenfels isn't anywhere near the quality of any of those guys. I'm not sure he's that much better than Frerotte. A 3rd is as high as I would gone.

They just need someone to come in and not make woeful mistakes. Sage isn't going anywhere. They might as well test out the #2 QB on the roster before giving up draft picks for another journeyman.

oh #@# I forgot about the booty.

[Mister J]

The Booty Man will save the day!

[jaguarr]

Bob Sanders is brittle.

The judges would have also accepted the usage of the word "delicate".

jag

[Cmill216]

Like a flower?

[Kaleb]

Chiefs | Thigpen will start Week 3
Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:38:41 -0700

ESPNews reports Kansas City Chiefs QB Tyler Thigpen will start Week 3.


:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[jaguarr]

Like a flower?

Or a fluffy bunny.

jag

[NewYorkSpider]

"With the first pick in the 2009 NFL Draft the Kansas City Chiefs select...."

[Cmill216]

"With the first pick in the 2009 NFL Draft the St. Louis Rams select...."

Edited for accuracy.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea what has happened to the Rams in the last couple of years? I mean how can such a talented team be sooooooo crap?

[Excel]

Wonder what good ole Fran is thinking bout this season...

[NewYorkSpider]

Yea what has happened to the Rams in the last couple of years? I mean how can such a talented team be sooooooo crap?

Coaching change, horrible drafts and injuries.

[Kaleb]

Yea what has happened to the Rams in the last couple of years? I mean how can such a talented team be sooooooo crap?


They have one of the worst front office's in the league, they have refused to address issues such as their star players getting older , for yrs they ignored issues on the defensive side of the ball



and Mike Martz.

[Double Down]

The Dolphins are in the No. 1 pick conversation.

[Immortalfire]

ESPNews reports Kansas City Chiefs QB Tyler Thigpen will start Week 3.
Who?? :huh:

[Raiden]

They have one of the worst front office's in the league, they have refused to address issues such as their star players getting older , for yrs they ignored issues on the defensive side of the ball



and Mike Martz.

I really hope Rams would go back to LA. They'd have the 2nd biggest market to themselves, and a change of scenery might do them some good.

Besides, they are still in the NFC West division.

[The Game]

Who?? :huh:

Ditto

[BlackLantern]

I just learned that Indianapolis fans, well some of them, refer to the city as Nap Town....

[jaguarr]

Looks like Princess Sanders is out for "weeks" with his ankle injury.

jag

[Mister J]

How will that Nap Town defense deal with this?

Not to mention how the Joint Chiefs of Staff will respond.

[Go Web Go!]

which 0-2 team will get their first win this week?

Vikings ?
Jags ?
Browns ?
Phins ?
Bengals ?
Chargers ?
Lions ?
Seahawks ?
Rams ?

Dolphins :csad:

[jaguarr]

How will that Nap Town defense deal with this?

Not to mention how the Joint Chiefs of Staff will respond.

Who will the Pope consult with?

jag

[Alex The Great]

Dolphins :csad:
Against the Pats. so no. even without Brady we'll kick there ass. Ok, not kick. Maybe bruise.

[Kaleb]

Against the Pats. so no. even without Brady we'll kick there ass. Ok, not kick. Maybe bruise.

jets beat dolphins week one, who then lost to the pats week two ..... yeah I dont see it happening either.

[Showtime]

Who?? :huh:

Bobby Thigpen's brother? :huh:

I'll be on a lot more now, recovering. Time to perfect the flux capacitor.

[Raiden]

jets beat dolphins week one, who then lost to the pats week two ..... yeah I dont see it happening either.

I think both Jets and Dolphins will get better as their respective QBs (Favre and Pennington) become more familiarize with their team's system. But for now Pats is a better team due to the personell and playmakers that they have even without Brady.

[Alex The Great]

Who the hell is the Cheifs Starting QB this week? I see his name and go '':huh:''

[Raiden]

Who the hell is the Cheifs Starting QB this week? I see his name and go '':huh:''

I think Chiefs will suck regardless who is their QB.

[Alex The Great]

No Duh :hehe:

[StorminNorman]

The Kansas City Cheifs select with their first round pick: Mathew Stafford, Quarterback, the University of Georgia.

:(

[Alex The Great]

WHo do you cheer for? Norman? If it's the Colts/Giants/Cowboys you get a stick beating! :cmad:

[Bond]

And who will the Rams take with #2?

[Alex The Great]

:shrug:

[Cmill216]

Unfortunately, guys, I won't be on very much in the next couple of weeks.

I just got a call from Mike Holmgren. He wants me lining up in the slot by Sunday.

[Bond]

Lol :up:

[Franklin Richards]

Joe Horn hired yet?


:D


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Kaleb]

Unfortunately, guys, I won't be on very much in the next couple of weeks.

I just got a call from Mike Holmgren. He wants me lining up in the slot by Sunday.

*adds Cmill216 to his fantasy team*

[Alex The Great]

:lmao:

[Kaleb]

And who will the Rams take with #2?
I was going to say Qb, but they just signed Marc ''pants'' bulger to a huge extention, so I would think they would address the issue on the offensive line, since Orlando Pace can never stay healthy so I would say with the 2nd pick in the 2009 nfl draft ,the Rams select


Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss

[Mister J]

Hmm. There have been more than a handful of posts over the last two pages, citing who will get the #1 pick for next year. No one has mentioned Miami. Clearly, this reflects at least a 7% decrease in our overall Suckage Factor, as compared to last year. Onward and upward! Gimme 5 wins, baby! :up:

[Kaleb]

:lmao:

Im desperate :(

[Alex The Great]

lol :o

And with the 3rd pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. The Miami Dolphins select.....

DOn't be angery about the truth, J! :cmad:

and with the 11th pick, The New England Patriots Select....

:csad:

[Kaleb]

bengals, chiefs or Falcons will have the first pick in the draft

[Alex The Great]

Falcons look OK. They'll win 5 games tops.

[Dexter M0rgan]

Ryan's going to be a very good QB.

[Immortalfire]

The Kansas City Cheifs select with their first round pick: Mathew Stafford, Quarterback, the University of Georgia.

:(

In 2010, maybe.

[Go Web Go!]

bengals, chiefs or Falcons will have the first pick in the draft

Bengals aren't THAT awful. As bad as they've looked, they still have Carson Palmer and 2 top WRs

The top pick's going to either KC, St. Louis, maybe even Miami again - though I'd go with one of the teams from Misery.

[Excel]

Bobby Thigpen's brother? :huh:

I'll be on a lot more now, recovering. Time to perfect the flux capacitor.

Recovering from what man? You all good??

[Excel]

If the Raiders draft Crabtree, they are set all major o skill positions for the next decade.

[Showtime]

Recovering from what man? You all good??

Yeah I'm good man. I was just messing with Immortalfire because he calls me Bob Sanders. Thanks for asking though.

[Excel]

Oh I see, good to know; had me worried bro :up:

[Ace of Knaves]

Ryan's going to be a very good QB.


Yea give Matt Ryan a couple of years to develope and if the Falcons draft a couple of decent O-linemen and WR he will be great. I see him getting about 2500-3000 yards this season.

[Excel]

He has 1 great wr in Roddy White and another good one in Mike Jenkins.

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't rate Mike Jenkins atall. I remember I was watching ATL at home against the Saints last year and Redmen threw a pass right into Jenkins hands, it was perfect. And what did Jenkins do? He let the ball bounce straight off his hands and it got picked and returned for a TD. Not to mention he used to cost Vick a couple INTs a season with his tips that led to INTs.

[Excel]

I havent seen enough film on Jenkins, but White is a great one. Plays hard and hussels with a ton of natural ability.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea Roddy is good, I had high hopes for Laurent Robinson aswell but they never came to be.

[Silver Knight]

Who thinks LJ is going to get traded?

[Go Web Go!]

Eh. That's iffy. You don't really see guys like that get moved in the NFL. He's going to have to stick it through the rebuilding process, methinks.

[Kaleb]

Chiefs will find it very hard to tade LJ off , they put him on the block 2 yrs ago before and nobody bit on it, he doesnt have that much yrs left in im, thanks to Herms wearing him down with that record amount of carries plus alot of coaches hate his attitude.

[Silver Knight]

How old is he?

Is he on the decline or does he still have afew solid years left in the tank?

[Ace of Knaves]

I would imagen a back like him, who plows through tackles instead of avoiding them would take a lot of punishment therefore not last as long in the NFL

[Kaleb]

How old is he?

Is he on the decline or does he still have afew solid years left in the tank?


He is on the decline. ( 28yrs old -turning 29 november ). Every yr his yards per carry has been decreasing 2005 = 5.2 , 2006 =4.3 , 2007 =3.7 ,and currently now he is averaging 2.0 yards a carry .
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[Kaleb]

I would imagen a back like him, who plows through tackles instead of avoiding them would take a lot of punishment therefore not last as long in the NFL
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which is why I hate brad Childress atm , he is such an assbite , he cannot get a decent wr in the offseason to help Peterson, its going to be because of him that Peterson will retire before the age of 30.

[Go Web Go!]

How old is he?

Is he on the decline or does he still have afew solid years left in the tank?

He'll be 29 later this year. I would think he has a good 3 years or so left in him, barring serious injury. Nobody's going to give up much for him should KC put him on the block, which is probably why he'll stay put. This isn't the NBA where teams complete major trades for missing pieces. You can find a diamond in the rough anywhere, as far as RB's are concerned. It's the most interchangeable spot on offense as long as there's a good line to protect you.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea he deffinatly relies on All-Day too much. He is gonna be a victim of his own skills. Also Steven Jackson isn't the same player no more, I mean 80 receptions and nearly 300 carries in one season! Thats gotta take its toll.

[Silver Knight]

S-Jax is very overrated and past his prime.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well yea he is past his prime, but that 2006 season the numbers he put up was out of this world. But again, a victim of his own talents.

[Kaleb]

S-Jax is very overrated and past his prime.

I dont buy that, last yr he put up ( with a depleted Oline )

12 games, 1002 rushing yards (4.2ypc) 5 TD, 38 receptions 271recieving yards, 1 TD.

[Go Web Go!]

S-Jax is very overrated and past his prime.

Apparently the Rams thought he was worth a new deal. I didn't quite understand that move.

[Ace of Knaves]

I dont buy that, last yr he put up ( with a depleted Oline )

12 games, 1002 rushing yards (4.2ypc) 5 TD, 38 receptions 271recieving yards, 1 TD.


What would that project to if he played all games? It must be like 1500 yards rushing, maybe 50-60 receptions.

[Immortalfire]

S-Jax is very overrated and past his prime. The next person that abbreviates a player's name in this manner is banned. :cmad: :whatever: :oldrazz:

[Ace of Knaves]

How do you guys think "The Burner" will do this year?

[Kaleb]

What would that project to if he played all games? It must be like 1500 yards rushing, maybe 50-60 receptions.

yip exactly . the dude a good player behind a bad oline and a stud behind a good oline.

[Raiden]

Chiefs will find it very hard to tade LJ off , they put him on the block 2 yrs ago before and nobody bit on it, he doesnt have that much yrs left in im, thanks to Herms wearing him down with that record amount of carries plus alot of coaches hate his attitude.

Herm did the same thing in New York, when he worn out future HOF Curtis Martin and shorten his career. And I doubt LJ will have Martin's longetivity nor his career.

[Excel]

Apparently the Rams thought he was worth a new deal.

I know, good thing they resigned him otherwise they might suck.



:dry:

[Go Web Go!]

The next person that abbreviates a player's name in this manner is banned. :cmad: :whatever: :oldrazz:

Take it easy on those guys, I-Fire. :word:

[Kaleb]

Take it easy on those guys, I-Fire. :word:

yeah GWG is right I-Fire :cwink:

[Immortalfire]

Damn loopholes :cmad:

[The Apocalypse]

Joey Porter talking trash. Gotta love it.

[Darthphere]

Joey porter needs to talk less and start earning his contract.

[Kaleb]

it's been a while since Porter said something stupid. I was getting a little worried about him.

[Double Down]

Calling out the Patriots doesn't usually end well.

[Ace of Knaves]

What did Porter say?

[Raiden]

it's been a while since Porter said something stupid. I was getting a little worried about him.

It's not common for a player who's on a 1-15 team from last year and have yet to win a game this season to trash talk about a team they are facing, esp. one who has a regular season winning streak of 18 (dating from last year).

[Raiden]

What did Porter say?

Here's what he said:

Dolphins Joey Porter: 'Throw the kitchen sink' at Cassel
Count linebacker Joey Porter among those unimpressed by Matt Cassel's performance last Sunday, when he started he first game since high school and led New England to a 19-10 victory over the New York Jets. "It's not like they were putting up the crazy 40 points they did when they had Tom (Brady)," Porter said Wednesday as the Dolphins prepared for Sunday's game at New England. "It's a different offense, a different team without Tom in there." Asked how he would get ready to face Cassel, Porter said, "Treat him like you prepare for a backup. ... Throw the kitchen sink at him. "We're going to come after the guy. It will be good to go out there and get our first victory." Cassel didn't start a game at USC, sitting behind Heisman Trophy winners Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. That lack of experience is a killer, Porter said. "You've got to get game experience," Porter said. "He's been getting some, but pre-season's a whole different speed." -- Palm Beach Post

[Ace of Knaves]

What a idiot. I don't understand why players in any sport talk about what they are gonna do to the opposing team. Why let them know whats coming? Sure they probly expect blitzes coming from every angle but you don't flat out tell them. What a muppet

[Raiden]

What a idiot. I don't understand why players in any sport talk about what they are gonna do to the opposing team. Why let them know whats coming? Sure they probly expect blitzes coming from every angle but you don't flat out tell them. What a muppet

Porter essentially gave the Pats players a quote they can hang in their locker room for motivation to beat the 'Fins.

[Venom'sDad]

Porter essentially gave the Pats players a quote they can hang in their locker room for motivation to beat the 'Fins.

Yes.... he certainly did; but really, come on, who really listens to Joey? :meanie:

[Showtime]

The best was the young safety or cornerback on the Steelers who said something about the Patriots last year, I think he was burned for two touchdowns and they even designed a play for him...

[Cmill216]

Patriots by 34.

[Alex The Great]

Sorry guys, won't be posting Anymore The Cheifs Have Offered me a 2 year, 1.7 million dollar Contract to be there Starting QB

[Mister J]

Sorry guys, won't be posting Anymore The Cheifs Have Offered me a 2 year, 1.7 million dollar Contract to be there Starting QB
Really? What was your Wonderlic score? :huh:

[Alex The Great]

I despise you, very much.

[Excel]

they even designed a play for him...

Play action Maroney, with Moss running right through his zone on purpose...it was a do or die...he bit horribly on the PA and Moss burned by about 10 yards before he knew what was going on :hehe:

Here it is...

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804fa283

Damn that is a nice PA...

[vindrow]

The best was the young safety or cornerback on the Steelers who said something about the Patriots last year, I think he was burned for two touchdowns and they even designed a play for him...


Yeah, you're talking about Free Safety, Anthony Smith...and he was and is an idiot...a good player but an idiot. His teammates let him know in no uncertain terms that they didn't like him shooting off his mouth like that..guess he was trying to be Porter Jr.

[Excel]

Porter still is not as annoying as Curt Schilling.

[vindrow]

Porter still is not as annoying as Curt Schilling.



I think Schiling is the most annoying obnoxous a**hole in sports, but thats just my opinion of him.

[Ace of Knaves]

Whos Curt Schilling? What teams he on?

[FaT_tONle]

Whos Curt Schilling? What teams he on?

Not a baseball fan I presume.

[Ace of Knaves]

Na i find it boring. Didn't the All-Star game on for like 6 hours or summing? Who the hell wants to watch any single game for that long?

What examples are there of this Curt Schillings arrogance?

[Immortalfire]

Sorry guys, won't be posting Anymore The Cheifs Have Offered me a 2 year, 1.7 million dollar Contract to be there Starting QB

Fail.

[Cmill216]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3594747

Top 5 QBs of the New Generation (Big Ben, Rivers, Romo, Eli, etc.)

They rank Big Ben #1. And this I had a problem with:

For me, it came down to Roethlisberger or Manning. Why? Both have Super Bowl rings. I rank Roethlisberger first, though, because I believe the Steelers win because of him, while the Giants too often win despite Manning.

The Giants wouldn't have won that Super Bowl without Eli's play. Say what you want about his career before that point, but the dude put that offense on his back and carried them to the trophy with the help of the pass rush.

[Excel]

Elis super bowl made his entire career worth everything, no matter how ****ty he played for before or plays after (though thus far hes played well). But I agree with the beg ben pick.

[Cmill216]

And WTF is Cutler doing ahead of Romo???

Dude has two good games, and people start freaking out. He's going to be great, but Romo's body of work should put him ahead right now.

[Excel]

Cutler over Romo is a close one. Romo has been playing with Terrell Owens one of the greatest wrs of all time; Cutlers made his best recievers as good as they are. Who was Brandon Marshal before last year? Arm goes to Cutler, playmaking goes to Romo. Its a close one.

[Showtime]

Play action Maroney, with Moss running right through his zone on purpose...it was a do or die...he bit horribly on the PA and Moss burned by about 10 yards before he knew what was going on :hehe:

Here it is...

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804fa283

Damn that is a nice PA...

HA. I was looking for that. I love it.

Yeah, you're talking about Free Safety, Anthony Smith...and he was and is an idiot...a good player but an idiot. His teammates let him know in no uncertain terms that they didn't like him shooting off his mouth like that..guess he was trying to be Porter Jr.

Didn't he fight somebody before a game as well?

Porter still is not as annoying as Curt Schilling.

Nobody is more annoying then Shilling, you hear what he said today? Beating a dead horse.

I think Schiling is the most annoying obnoxous a**hole in sports, but thats just my opinion of him.

I agree, nobody cares what his thoughts are on every subject on the planet. I mean the guy is very knowledgeable about a lot of said subjects, but I want to watch him play baseball, which he did every well for a long time.

And WTF is Cutler doing ahead of Romo???

Dude has two good games, and people start freaking out. He's going to be great, but Romo's body of work should put him ahead right now.

Who made this, Hunter? :csad:

[FaT_tONle]

I guess Peyton and Brady are too old for today's standards... I still clump all those guys into the same era... I mean I guess you can separate the Eli, Ben, Rivers from Brady, and Peyton.

[Cmill216]

I guess Peyton and Brady are too old for today's standards... I still clump all those guys into the same era... I mean I guess you can separate the Eli, Ben, Rivers from Brady, and Peyton.

It's not that they're too old, but I think it's becoming clear that the end of their dominance is quickly approaching. It's time to start looking ahead a few years to see who will be the new dominant signal callers in the league. The new faces of football.

[Excel]

I guess Peyton and Brady are too old for today's standards... I still clump all those guys into the same era... I mean I guess you can separate the Eli, Ben, Rivers from Brady, and Peyton.

Oh no, Manning was drafted 10 years ago. Brady 8 (I think).

[FaT_tONle]

Oh no, Manning was drafted 10 years ago. Brady 8 (I think).

Still... I mean it's been what? Four years since that 04 draft? Eli is 26 or 27. Ben is right there as is Rivers... Romo is like 28 or 29. Peyton is 31 or 32 and Tom is like 30 or 31. That's not a huge difference. It's tough clumping these things in... I like to do it by the decades...

90's:

Elway
Young
Aikman
Marino

2000's

Peyton
Brady

Then there is the question of where you put guys like Warner and Farve... who overlapped. But I don't think I'd put those guys separately in their own class... I'd clump them in the 90's. There will still be plenty of games played between Rivers/Brady and Manning/Roethesberger so eventually all those guys will be viewed in the same generation IMO. A guy like Cutler can also put his name in there if he plays at a high level and beats Peyton or Brady in a big time playoff spot in the next three years or so.

[Excel]

Your right, but keep it going. After the 00's, in 10's, itll be Cutler, Romo, ect.

[Double Down]

What? No Leinart? No VY? What kind of list is that? Doesn't hype mean anything any more?

[Cmill216]

:pal:

[Double Down]

Seriously, though, Carson Palmer's stock has plummeted. That guy was top three going into 2007.

[Cmill216]

Seriously, though, Carson Palmer's stock has plummeted. That guy was top three going into 2007.

He needs to get out of Cincy. Stat.

[Double Down]

He needs to get out of Cincy. Stat.


You are correct. Vikings would be ideal.

[Excel]

...Carson Palmer...sounds like a hick.

Houston?

[Go Web Go!]

Joey Porter talking trash. Gotta love it.

Well, that's pretty much all he's good for nowaday. The last D-BAG regime in Miami gave him $20 million guaranteed for his mouth, essentially.

it's been a while since Porter said something stupid. I was getting a little worried about him.

Trust me. Being a Dolphin fan, I get to hear the crap this man spews first hand. He had much to say last season, but it's not quite headline material when he's on a 1-15 team.

Porter essentially gave the Pats players a quote they can hang in their locker room for motivation to beat the 'Fins.

Don't be silly. The Patriots don't need any motivation to beat Miami. They just need to show up.

[Ace of Knaves]

Where do you guys see Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco in 5 years? Will they become genuine top quality QBs?

[BlackLantern]

I'd go with Cutler over Romo, he is doing more with less and IMO is a bit more mobile than Romo

[Erzengel]

I was talking about this almost in terms of High School.

Seniors - Manning and Brady, I'd even put Farve in there.
Juniors - E. Manning, Roethlisberger, Romo
Sophmores - Rivers, Cutler

etc.

[Erzengel]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3594747

Top 5 QBs of the New Generation (Big Ben, Rivers, Romo, Eli, etc.)

They rank Big Ben #1. And this I had a problem with:



The Giants wouldn't have won that Super Bowl without Eli's play. Say what you want about his career before that point, but the dude put that offense on his back and carried them to the trophy with the help of the pass rush.

I agree. I like Big Ben, however, how does he follow up their win with the Superbowl Hangover and they finish 8-8. The next year they came back but I do think this could be his year to dominate the AFC, however they do have one of the toughest schedules for any team.

[Silver Knight]

He needs to get out of Cincy. Stat.
Word to Chad Johnson.

[FaT_tONle]

Pittsburg won't dominate anybody with a schedule that includes @Tenn, SD, Indy, Dallas, NYG, @ NE. Believe it or not... I wouldn't rule out the Bills clinching a one seed. Call me crazy but with NE and their schedule the way it is the Bills can potentially run away with it. I think Denver will come back down to reality but they might be a one or two seed as well. It would be kind of wierd seeing Indy, SD, NE, Jacksonville duking it out for the wild card. Who would have thunk it?

[Dark Donnie]

Pittsburg won't dominate anybody with a schedule that includes @Tenn, SD, Indy, Dallas, NYG, @ NE. Believe it or not... I wouldn't rule out the Bills clinching a one seed. Call me crazy but with NE and their schedule the way it is the Bills can potentially run away with it. I think Denver will come back down to reality but they might be a one or two seed as well. It would be kind of wierd seeing Indy, SD, NE, Jacksonville duking it out for the wild card. Who would have thunk it?

Buffalo? 1 seed in the AFC? Denver is a much more talented a team then Buffalo IMO.

[FaT_tONle]

Buffalo? 1 seed in the AFC? Denver is a much more talented a team then Buffalo IMO.

Denver's defense sucks ass. The can't win with a pass happy attack like that for 16 games. And I still think SD is much more dangerous than N.E so I don't think they will run away with anything.

[Dr. Evil]

As soon as Joey Porter gets into a shouting match with Bill Parcells, he's gone.

Parcells won't tolerate his nonsense.

[Go Web Go!]

Where do you guys see Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco in 5 years? Will they become genuine top quality QBs?

Who knows for sure? You don't really know about QB's until their 4th or 5th year in the league, unless they make a Roethlisberger-type splash, which is extremely rare. Guys can have a good couple of years, and then drop off the face of the Earth ala Byron Leftwich, but both have idone some good things so far, along with your usual rookie mistakes. I think Ryan will succeed eventually, but I don't know enough about Flacco to say for sure.

[Go Web Go!]

As soon as Joey Porter gets into a shouting match with Bill Parcells, he's gone.

Parcells won't tolerate his nonsense.

The only reason Porter's still there is because Miami would take too big of a hit against the cap if they cut/released him, and you know no one's going to trade for him. They're stuck with him for another year or 2, unfortunately, but you know if Parcells let go of Miami's top 2 players in Thomas & Taylor, he wouldn't hesitate to give Porter the boot. It's not that easy though. :csad: