2008 NFL Thread

[Alex The Great]

Cmill can sit on it! :cmad:

[Alex The Great]

Great decision by Loseman :up:

[Double Down]

At least Larry Johnson had more rushing yards than Shaun Alexander: 2-0.

[Excel]

nice to see randy is back

[Alex The Great]

Hey! Were not sucking!

[Alex The Great]

The Bills won't die!

[The Game]

Um... Pennington took the Jets to the playoffs in 2006... I think he got something out of him... seriously where do you did these things up???


Where did I did what???? anyway but on a consistent basis? NO way, did you see how quick they were to dump him off, that tells me they did not know what they had, looking at how he is playing now or did that bypass you

[The Game]

Ok tell me Maroney did not just decline to get the 1st down

[DeaDheaD]

Orton for mvp!!!!!

[Dark Donnie]

just got back from The Eagles game...a very terrible loss. IF they ever played consistent they could win the East. Sadly that won't happen.

[The Game]

Hot Rod with the pick, this is what we should be doing on D

[Belvedere]

Orton for mvp!!!!!

I second this motion.

[Double Down]

just got back from The Eagles game...a very terrible loss. IF they ever played consistent they could win the East. Sadly that won't happen.


You cannot feel worse than the Texans fans do.

[The Game]

Wow The Bills are falling apart

[Belvedere]

You cannot feel worse than the Texans fans do.

Still, that helicopter Sage did was ****ing AWESOME though. :o

[The Game]

Still, that helicopter Sage did was ****ing AWESOME though. :o

Indeed it was :hehe: :woot:

[The Game]

Bills.................ahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Excel]

Ok tell me Maroney did not just decline to get the 1st down

i dont think we would have gotten anyway, our offensive line is getting tooled on when maroney is. that said, when maroney is in, they are throwing the damn house! That welker screen was a maroney play action, and the entire 2ndary bit :hehe:

[Cmill216]

Broncos 16
Bucs 13

Great win for the Broncos. Their defense showed up big, and their offense did just enough against the Bucs defense.

On a side note, there's something really off-putting about Jay Cutler.

[Double Down]

O'Sullivan has 3 TDs on only 91 yards. Weird.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Broncos 16
Bucs 13

Great win for the Broncos. Their defense showed up big, and their offense did just enough against the Bucs defense.

On a side note, there's something really off-putting about Jay Cutler.

Listen, he has a bad haircut, but I like him. He's got damn good zip on that arm.

[DeaDheaD]

Its like the Bengals are allergic to winning and playing defense

[Double Down]

I really think the Cardinals are going to beat the Bills Sunday.


I'm just saying ....

[FaT_tONle]

I'm just saying ....

You hardly went out on a limb... Cardinals are a good football team... and the Bills were due for a loss.

[FaT_tONle]

Where did I did what???? anyway but on a consistent basis? NO way, did you see how quick they were to dump him off, that tells me they did not know what they had, looking at how he is playing now or did that bypass you

Yeah cause Farve isn't an upgrade over Pennington? Can you explain how a coach gets nothing out of a player who won the CPY award under that coach? It's amazing how Pat fans give no respect to Pennington when he was a Jet and now they praise him to no end after he wins two games with the freaking Dolphins... :whatever:

just got back from The Eagles game...a very terrible loss. IF they ever played consistent they could win the East. Sadly that won't happen.

Tough luck... Eagle fans might need to start thinking next year as crazy as that sounds. I ain't one to jump the gun and it's only October but I don't see a ten win team making the playoffs in that division. Eagles would need to go 9-2 down the stretch to have a chance... not happening. They need one of these teams in the division to collapse late.

[Kaleb]

You hardly went out on a limb... Cardinals are a good football team... and the Bills were do for a loss.

After last weeks Cards performance against the Jets , this wasnt suprising, they have no touble putting points up , they have trouble preventing teams from putting up points.

[Excel]

nice call about that td and kissing the star, ocho cinco.

[The Game]

3-1 gotta love it

[The Game]

Yeah cause Farve isn't an upgrade over Pennington... can you explain how a coach gets nothing out of a player who won the CPY award under that coach? It's amazing how Pat fans give no respect to Pennington when he was a Jet and now they praise him to no end after he wins two games with the freaking Dolphins... :whatever:

Who never gave respect to Pennington, you can't be talking about me pal, so move on

[FaT_tONle]

Who never gave respect to Pennington, you can't be talking about me pal, so move on

It just boggles the mind that someone can knock the Jets for bringing in Farve to replace Pennington... you can at least be objective about it.

[The Game]

It just boggles the mind that someone can knock the Jets for bringing in Farve to replace Pennington... you can at least be objective about it.

Objective about what? Pennington is a good player and I am stating that the Jets were to hasty to toss him out, where have I knocked the Jets for bringing in Favre, did I say they should have never brought in Favre, your not much of a spin doctor are you?

[FaT_tONle]

Objective about what? Pennington is a good player and I am stating that the Jets were to hasty to toss him out, where have I kncoked the Jets for bringing in Favre, did I say they should have never brought in Favre, your not much of a spin doctor are you?

R U serious? How do those two things not come hand in hand? you don't bring in a Brett Farve to compete with Pennington... there is something called a salary cap... maybe that slipped your mind... :whatever:

[The Game]

R U serious? How do those two things not come hand in hand? you don't bring in a Brett Farve to compete with Pennington... there is something called a salary cap... maybe that slipped your mind... :whatever:

What is that, a wacky style you kids are wearing these days.......:huh:

[Double Down]

You hardly went out on a limb... Cardinals are a good football team... and the Bills were due for a loss.


The right answer was "good call."

[FaT_tONle]

What is that, a wacky style you kids are wearing these days.......:huh:

English humor... I love your fair... objective... reasonable arguments... :csad:

[The Game]

English humor... I love your fair... objective... reasonable arguments... :csad:

I have been resonable, I am stating Penington is a good player, if you can't see that, thats your problem

[FaT_tONle]

I am stating Farve is a HOF player and a BETTER player than Pennington... if you can't see that that is your problem.

[The Game]

I am stating Farve is a HOF player and a BETTER player than Pennington... if you can see that that is your problem.

Oh you got me, I see what you did there :whatever:

[Go Web Go!]

Back from the game. Dolphins beat the Pats, and now the Chargers? We're not the doormats of the NFL anymore, people.

[The Game]

Back from the game. Dolphins beat the Pats, and now the Chargers? We're not the doormats of the NFL anymore, people.

YOU GOT LUCKY!!!!

just playing, the door mat status belongs to the Rams now

[Showtime]

Patriots 3-1 without Brady. I'll take that.

[Bond]

YOU GOT LUCKY!!!!

just playing, the door mat status belongs to the Rams now
Yup. :up:

[FaT_tONle]

Patriots 3-1 without Brady. I'll take that.

I wouldn't... even though one of those wins was against the Jets... Pats are in an uphill climb with that schedule. They realistically had to be 5-0 to put themselves in position for the stretch run. I said the same about the Giants as well... anything less than 6-0 for them is trouble. The schedules just don't break right for them. Luckily the rest of the conference is stinking up the joint so you take what you get at this point.

[Double Down]

The Cardinals have scored 76 points in their last 6 quarters.

[Excel]

San Diego lost to Miami. Next weeks game of Pats Chargers was supposed to be a huge game, now Brady is out and the Chargers have 3 losses.

[Zephyr Alexian]

^Yeah, I don't know what to make of the league during this year. San Diego isn't looking too good right now, but they started off slow last year and turned it around. (that bad call did cost them a game)

[BatSpider]

^Yeah, I don't know what to make of the league during this year. San Diego isn't looking too good right now, but they started off slow last year and turned it around. (that bad call did cost them a game)
Im still calling them a 6th seed anyway

[Dark Donnie]

Tough luck... Eagle fans might need to start thinking next year as crazy as that sounds. I ain't one to jump the gun and it's only October but I don't see a ten win team making the playoffs in that division. Eagles would need to go 9-2 down the stretch to have a chance... not happening. They need one of these teams in the division to collapse late.

Definitely possible...but I don't like the play calling of late. Eagles after the bye are sick so at least I have that to look forward to.

[Excel]

Philys had some tough games. Dallas and Washington are good and Chicago played great that game.

They play San Fran, Atlanta (whose looked good, but theyll beat), Seattle, Cinci, Giants, and Baltimore over the next 6 games...they should got 5-1 in that stretch.

[Matt]

If I'm not mistaken, Moore just broke 100 yards. Fluke or has Pittsburgh just become that much more dangerous in their running game now that they have two 100 yard per game half backs?

[Badger]

That throw by Ben was reeeeeeeeeeeeeetarded, and I mean that in a good way.

[Double Down]

Steelers are winning ugly, but they are winning.

[Go Web Go!]

When have the Steelers ever won pretty?

[vindrow]

When have the Steelers ever won pretty?


Hey, that Texan win was beautiful:woot:


For me whether pretty or ugly, don't care as long as they win:cwink:

[Double Down]

Any win over the Browns is a beauty, too.

[NewYorkSpider]

Panthers destroyed the Chiefs today. Sorry, Badger. :csad:

[CalebYourMaster]

Lions were embarrassed again...jeez...
Edwards cost me the game in my fantasy league...

[BlackLantern]

The Giants threw Seattle a beating and got SF next week, that should be an interesting game

[Erzengel]

Actually the 49ers are playing Philadelphia next week. The Giants are facing the Browns at Cleveland. :o

C'mon 13 straight for the Road Warriors. :up:

Week 5 musing:
I honestly thought the Redskins were going to be the red headed step children of the NFC East. :o With all 3 of their away games against the NFC East taken care of, and a next "light" 3 day schedule, it could make the NFC East even more competitive.
The Dolphins beating San Diego. :huh:
The Colts got REALLY lucky against a 0 - 3 team. That game was the Texans to win if it wasn't for Rosenfels two f' ups.
Not surprised by the Bills loss.
And I guess the whole "Who needs Favre?" Green Bay fans now realize, hey, we do need him.

[Immortalfire]

What the heck is a Brown anyway :confused:

[kane9321]

damn...that was a game the 49ers should have won..least our offense this moving the ball

[kane9321]

i dont think we would have gotten anyway, our offensive line is getting tooled on when maroney is. that said, when maroney is in, they are throwing the damn house! That welker screen was a maroney play action, and the entire 2ndary bit :hehe:


:cmad::cmad:

[Ace of Knaves]

I've just watched the MIA-SD highlights, Ronnie Brown is a fooking beast!!! He can avoid tackles, he can plow through tackles(just ask Cromartie!), easily the most exciting player to watch at the moment IMO. I also noticed that trick formation they've been using is being called "Wildcat". Anyone have any ideas where thats from? Or have MIA invented it?

[Erzengel]

What the heck is a Brown anyway :confused:
Worse team name out there, followed by the Houston Texans. :down

What's next San Francisco Californians? Albany New Yorkers? :huh:

[Excel]

The Pats running game by committee isnt working, their ypc was again udner 4.

[Erzengel]

I've just watched the MIA-SD highlights, Ronnie Brown is a fooking beast!!! He can avoid tackles, he can plow through tackles(just ask Cromartie!), easily the most exciting player to watch at the moment IMO. I also noticed that trick formation they've been using is being called "Wildcat". Anyone have any ideas where thats from? Or have MIA invented it?
I was more impressed, while biased with Brandon Jacobs more this week. Only 11 more yards than Brown, but almost double the average of yards per carry.

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh yea Brandon Jacobs is a beast aswell, but if you compare who they were playing against I still think Brown was more impressive. Now I know SDs D isn't all that at the mo, but the Seahawks are just pathetic.

[Ace of Knaves]

Has anyone played Madden 09 yet? Is it worth getting or is it just 08 with slightly better graphics?

[Showtime]

The Pats running game by committee isnt working, their ypc was again udner 4.

It is working because they are winning, and they have no choice since Maroney is like Glass Joe.

[Belvedere]

Has anyone played Madden 09 yet? Is it worth getting or is it just 08 with slightly better graphics?

It's pretty much Madden 08 with better graphics and a roster update, I'd skip.

[Excel]

It is working because they are winning, and they have no choice since Maroney is like Glass Joe.

It can be more effective, Maroney playing the role od decoy has helped out the wrs a lot on numerous plays, but Morris is too one dimensional for his success to last. Maroney needs to be out more and more involved in the passing game so defenses lay off when he is in. the amount of men on the los when hes in is a joke.

[Cmill216]

I also noticed that trick formation they've been using is being called "Wildcat". Anyone have any ideas where thats from? Or have MIA invented it?

It was used at Arkansas while Darren McFadden was there. And I'm not sure if they actually invented it.

[Immortalfire]

Worse team name out there, followed by the Houston Texans. :down

Yeah, Houston really beat their brains in trying to think of a name.

[Raiden]

I'm disappointed that 49ers couldn't beat a road-wary Pats team with Cassel as QB, and a Chargers team that lost a game they should've won. These two along with Raiders made our local teams a very bad week of football.

[Go Web Go!]

It was used at Arkansas while Darren McFadden was there. And I'm not sure if they actually invented it.

Yup. They're using it so much because Miami's QB Coach was Offensive Coordinator at Arkansas last season. They didn't invent it, but they might as well have because no other team in the NFL has ever used it to this extent.

[Go Web Go!]

What the heck is a Brown anyway :confused:

Pretty sure they were named after their former coach Paul Brown.

[Belvedere]

Pretty sure they were named after their former coach Paul Brown.

You are correct.

Personally I believe Cleveland Eugenes (Brown's middle name) is much catchier.

[Raiden]

You are correct.

Personally I believe Cleveland Eugenes (Brown's middle name) is much catchier.

I don't like the fact that Browns still don't have a logo or icon like Bangles and Vikings do. I'm tired of seeing a helmet whenever they need a logo for the NFL games.

[Go Web Go!]

I don't like the fact that Browns still don't have a logo or icon like Bangles and Vikings do. I'm tired of seeing a helmet whenever they need a logo for the NFL games.

Well, this is an official alternate logo, so it's not like the option to use it isn't there:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Cleveland_Browns_alternate.svg/235px-Cleveland_Browns_alternate.svg.png

[Immortalfire]

I don't like the fact that Browns still don't have a logo or icon like Bangles and Vikings do. I'm tired of seeing a helmet whenever they need a logo for the NFL games.

On Fox's halftime show, they just have an orange bar to represent Cleveland. Fail.

[The Apocalypse]

Has anyone played Madden 09 yet? Is it worth getting or is it just 08 with slightly better graphics?

Its more of a challenge then 08 IMO. For some reason I can't even play on All-Madden in this game. In 08 I would kill the CPU on All-Madden. I think the rosters are updated a lot faster as well.

[BlackLantern]

On Fox's halftime show, they just have an orange bar to represent Cleveland. Fail.

Well...it's the color that's on their helmet....what is Fox supposed to do? make one up?

[Immortalfire]

Well...it's the color that's on their helmet....what is Fox supposed to do? make one up?

I didn't mean it as being Fox's problem. It was fail on Cleveland for not having a real logo.

[BlackLantern]

Cleveland, in itself, is Fail.....I had a layover there once and even the airport was depressed it was in Cleveland

[Ace of Knaves]

Its more of a challenge then 08 IMO. For some reason I can't even play on All-Madden in this game. In 08 I would kill the CPU on All-Madden. I think the rosters are updated a lot faster as well.

I might have to grab it then. Thats why I'm bored of 08, you can just put up ridiculous numbers every week. I remember one season on All-Pro I had like 4500 passing yards and 2000 rushing yards with Vick. Along with Reggie Bush as RB I must of put up like 600 yards on offense every single week. So by the sounds of things 09 is much more realistic, I'd prefer that.

[Immortalfire]

Cleveland, in itself, is Fail.....I had a layover there once and even the airport was depressed it was in Cleveland

LoL

[Ace of Knaves]

Yo Immortal who is that in your avvy? I thought you was a Falcons fan?

[Immortalfire]

Matthew Stafford, quarterback for the University of Georgia.

I like the Falcons, but the Dogs come first.

[That-Guy]

Speaking of the AFC North, Pittsburgh had a great night last night against Jax. Despite some bullsh** calls (that pass interference-first down at the ONE yard line for Jax was a crock) they still made some big plays and beat the team that killed their Superbowl dreams last season. The previous two weeks left me feeling pretty depressed about my team... they did beat the Ravens but they didn't play well, and the loss to the Eagles was an embarrassment. But it looks like losing some of their regulars to injuries has allowed Ben to try out some different plays (and different players) which allowed for some great football last night. The offensive line does seem to be protecting him better as well, which has been a problem season after season. (I still think Tomlin's an idiot, but at least he's finally acknowledge that the OL has f**ked up big time periodically).

One question though... I missed the VERY beginning of the game, so I'm confused why Davenport was hardly used. I was glad to hear that they signed him again because he did pretty well for Pittsburgh last season, but I didn't see him in the game at all. Did he get injured early on? Regardless, Moore really picked up the slack on the rushing attack last night, but I bet he's a little annoyed that he didn't get ONE more yard. 99!

[Ace of Knaves]

So is Willie Parker injured again?

[Dark Donnie]

^^No I think he should return Week 7.

[Belvedere]

I might have to grab it then. Thats why I'm bored of 08, you can just put up ridiculous numbers every week. I remember one season on All-Pro I had like 4500 passing yards and 2000 rushing yards with Vick. Along with Reggie Bush as RB I must of put up like 600 yards on offense every single week. So by the sounds of things 09 is much more realistic, I'd prefer that.

You can't run the ball at all on Madden 09, so I think you'll like it.

Matthew Stafford, quarterback for the University of Georgia.

I like the Falcons, but the Dogs come first.

Would you rather win the NC this year with Matthew Stafford (very unlikely due to the loss to 'Bama), have him drafted by the Lions 1st overall and never have a winning season?

Or:

Have the Georgia team fail terribly next year and go unranked, with Stafford being drafted by the Panthers in the 2nd and have them own the NFC South for over a decade?

[Ace of Knaves]

Is this Stafford really that good then?

[Raiden]

Well, this is an official alternate logo, so it's not like the option to use it isn't there:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Cleveland_Browns_alternate.svg/235px-Cleveland_Browns_alternate.svg.png

I have never see any NFL games nor shows using this image, though.

[Raiden]

I just heard that Brian Westbrook has ribs injury, and now is questionable for Week 6. Not a good news for one of my teams. :(

[Zephyr Alexian]

Im still calling them a 6th seed anyway

Right now, but give them another 5 weeks. Around week 10, team positions start to show themselves.

[Dr. Evil]

Worse team name out there, followed by the Houston Texans. :down

What's next San Francisco Californians? Albany New Yorkers? :huh:

I read somewhere the names of the proposed NFL expansion teams back when the league ended up expanding to Jacksonville and Carolina:

- The Baltimore Bombers
- Memphis Greyhounds
- St. Louis Stallions

Instead the league has the St. Louis Rams, Tennessee Titans and Baltimore Ravens.

[Alex The Great]

The Arizona Cardinals are threating this year.

They got that divison easy. Seahawks, Rams......

With a little luck they might make the NFC Championship against the Cowboys


Here's for a wild pickfrom me for the SB. Tenesse Titans vs Arizona Cardinals.

Very good Defense vs Very good Offense.

But the Cards D needs to porve they they are a NFC contender.

[Raiden]

The Arizona Cardinals are threating this year.

They got that divison easy. Seahawks, Rams......

With a little luck they might make the NFC Championship against the Cowboys


Here's for a wild pickfrom me for the SB. Tenesse Titans vs Arizona Cardinals.

Very good Defense vs Very good Offense.

But the Cards D needs to porve they they are a NFC contender.

Cardinals? They might win their lackluster NFC West division but they are not the elite of NFC. Giants, 'Skins, Cowboys, and even Saints are better than them.

[Alex The Great]

Indeed. I said they need some LUCK.

Reading is Fundemental :yay:

[Cmill216]

LOL. The Cardinals? They'd need more than luck to get to the NFC title game. They can't beat the Giants, the Redskins, the Panthers, the Bucs, or even the Eagles, and the Bears are still who they thought they were.

[BlackLantern]

The Cardinals play Dallas next week....I'd call them a sleeper against a Dallas offense that looks to be struggling these past 2 weeks

[Alex The Great]

It's just a guess :csad:

[FaT_tONle]

I really don't like the Cardinals at all next week. I expect the Cowboys to rape them... no pun intended. Sort of like the Browns in week 1. Cardinals just aren't there yet... not even close. ALthough I probably thought the same when they played Cinci last Sunday... hopefully that game was a wakeup call... plus Romo plays well on the road.

[Alex The Great]

Yeah, they'll win the divison. There divison has turned to the 2007 AFC East. but without the undefeated team :hehe:

Though I don't expect much from them in the playoffs :yay:

[BlackLantern]

Cards put up 40 plus points in each of their games the past 2 weeks....I wouldn't count them out

[Alex The Great]

At least someone agrees with me :o

[FaT_tONle]

Cards put up 40 plus points in each of their games the past 2 weeks....I wouldn't count them out

It's a fluke... you can't play at that level for sixteen games... and with all do respect to your Giants... they can't continue their level of play for sixteen games either. Unless you have Brady, Moss, Welker, etc. the consistency won't be there for sixteen games. Cowboys found that out the last couple of weeks and fans are already panicking because of the Giants and Skins early success. It's a long season... but back to the Cards... they will win the division if they take care of their business but this is still a 9-7 team. I don't think they match up well against Dallas.

[BlackLantern]

The Giants have Cleveland, SF, Pitt, and Dallas coming up....SF could be a trap game if they aren't careful....there isn't any reason why they shouldn't be at least 7-1 when Dallas comes to town....

[Alex The Great]

It's a fluke... you can't play at that level for sixteen games... and with all do respect to your Giants... they can't continue their level of play for sixteen games either. Unless you have Brady, Moss, Welker, etc. the consistency won't be there for sixteen games. Cowboys found that out the last couple of weeks and fans are already panicking because of the Giants and Skins early success. It's a long season... but back to the Cards... they will win the division if they take care of their business but this is still a 9-7 team. I don't think they match up well against Dallas.
The 2007 New England Patriots Disagree?

I expect a 8-8 7-9 season if they gut hit with injuries. 10-6 tops. 9-7 most likely. But man, they got that divison in the bag. That Division BLOWS this season.

Oh and btw, I can't beleive the eagles are 2-3 :hehe:

[The Apocalypse]

If the Bengals offense can put 22 on the Cowboys I think the Cards have a realistic chance. All they needs is their defense to play okay.

[Alex The Great]

Yeah. There offense is good. But there Defense is Unproven. They need to do what they did to the Bills. Blitz and Pressure Romo. Force Ints and Fumbles. Blitz th Cowboys, Double cover TO.

[FaT_tONle]

The Giants have Cleveland, SF, Pitt, and Dallas coming up....SF could be a trap game if they aren't careful....there isn't any reason why they shouldn't be at least 7-1 when Dallas comes to town....

Clevland is coming off a bye... so you never know... if the Giants drop one of those games and lose to both Pitt and Dallas... I don't see them making the playoffs with their schedule. They'll probably win at least two if not three so I still think they have the inside track for the division.

The 2007 New England Patriots Disagree?

I expect a 8-8 7-9 season if they gut hit with injuries. 10-6 tops. 9-7 most likely. But man, they got that divison in the bag. That Division BLOWS this season.

Oh and btw, I can't beleive the eagles are 2-3 :hehe:

2007 Patriots... as much as I hate to admit... we probably the greatest team of the current generation... just got a little full a themselves at the end there... when you watch those NFL history films you'll always be reminded of Eli's great escape and whatever... but mostly you will remember how Belicheck and the Pats pretty much threw that game away before it even began. It boggles the mind how an 18-0 team comes into a Superbowl with the attitude that they had going in... not to beat a dead horse here... the point is those teams don't come around very often.

[Alex The Great]

anywho, Pats are 3-1 without Brady. i'll take it :up:

[FaT_tONle]

anywho, Pats are 3-1 without Brady. i'll take it :up:

AFC East is another interesting race.... might even be a four team race. I was looking at the scedules of everybody in both Eastern divisions last night... made a few predictions... I have the Pats at 9-6 going into Buffalo at 10-5 week 17. That might decide the division. Jets may also be 9-6 but their schedule is tougher than I thought. Dolphins will probably be 7-9 or 8-8... might have a chance to knock out the Jets week 17, but we know how that story ends. Dolphins never beat Gang Green in a big spot.

[NewYorkSpider]

Dolphins are going to be a great team next year. I agree that they're about an 8-8 team. I still think that Buffalo is going to take it, with New England finishing in second. I think the Jets will have a second half surge and will challenge for a wild card.

[The Game]

2007 Patriots... as much as I hate to admit... we probably the greatest team of the current generation... just got a little full a themselves at the end there... when you watch those NFL history films you'll always be reminded of Eli's great escape and whatever... but mostly you will remember how Belicheck and the Pats pretty much threw that game away before it even began. It boggles the mind how an 18-0 team comes into a Superbowl with the attitude that they had going in... not to beat a dead horse here... the point is those teams don't come around very often.

What attitude was that then?

[FaT_tONle]

How about Patriot players inviting Giant players to their Superbowl victory party prior to the game?

Dolphins are going to be a great team next year. I agree that they're about an 8-8 team. I still think that Buffalo is going to take it, with New England finishing in second. I think the Jets will have a second half surge and will challenge for a wild card.

They will be 5-11 next year.

[The Game]

How about Patriot players inviting Giant players to their Superbowl victory party prior to the game?

Sounds like SB banter to me much like Plastico guaranteeing victory, nothing much to read into if you ask me

[FaT_tONle]

Sounds like SB banter to me much like Plastico guaranteeing victory, nothing much to read into if you ask me

Yeah you do that during media week to give the media/fans something to talk about during the week off... you don't have that attitude right before the game...

[Tigerking]

Cant they just let the last place team in the NFC East take the NFC West instead of some mediocre team taking it...

[The Game]

Yeah you do that during media week to give the media/fans something to talk about during the week off... you don't have that attitude right before the game...

An 18-0 team expecting to win against a team that they have already beaten.....I am not seeing the problem here. If you have any links to this incident post them up because I don't remember this

[Alex The Great]

Ok kids, the SB is long gone. Let's not argue over the Pats and all. let's talk about my awseme hair :o

[The Game]

Ok kids, the SB is long gone. Let's not argue over the Pats and all. let's talk about my awseme hair :o

No pic violation :woot:

[FaT_tONle]

An 18-0 team expecting to win against a team that they have already beaten.....I am not seeing the problem here. If you have any links to this incident post them up because I don't remember this

You think you are going to get that in-depth media coverage on ESPN? I live in the New York market. You can quote numerous Giants players and they'll tell you the same thing I just said. I am not pulling this stuff out of my ass. And of course they expected to win that game... however you'd think the Pats would have gave the Giants a little more respect after nearly losing to them the final game of the reg. season.

[Kaleb]

lol Saints have released Joey Harrington again.

[The Game]

You think you are going to get that in-depth media coverage on ESPN? I live in the New York market. You can quote numerous Giants players and they'll tell you the same thing I just said. I am not pulling this stuff out of my ass. And of course they expected to win that game... however you'd think the Pats would have gave the Giants a little more respect after nearly losing to them the final game of the reg. season.

Im sure they would be unbiased

[Cmill216]

I have more faith in Favre and the Jets over the long haul than I do the Bills.

[NewYorkSpider]

They will be 5-11 next year.

So you can tell that already? Even before free agency, the draft, as well as not seeing their schedule? How do you do it?

[FaT_tONle]

Im sure they would be unbiased

And I am sure they made that stuff up to add icing to the cake.

So you can tell that already? Even before free agency, the draft, as well as not seeing their schedule? How do you do it?

Well true... but we know their opponents next year spare for two games... not that the schedule really matters all that much. The point being... 75% of the teams in this league that show you something one year usually go 6-10 the next year. It's a crap shoot. But frankly I don't see what will be available in the off season to put them on par with the rest of the division.

[Alex The Great]

Looks like the Broncos Bruised....That....Ass Cmill :hehe:

[Kaleb]

Saints vs Vikings is starting

[Kaleb]

Nice kick return by Peirre Thomas for the saints.

[Kaleb]

huh trick play on the first play ( reverse to Henderson for 7 yards)

[Kaleb]

Saints on the Vikes 27yard line

[Kaleb]

woot !!! TD ( Brees to Henderson)

Saints 7-0 Vikings.

[The Game]

Will be intresting to see if the Vikes have the Steel to win this match

[Kaleb]

This is going to be a long night for the vikes me thinks.

[Kaleb]

Drew Brees is playing lights out.

[Alex The Great]

:wow:

This is gonna be a good game :up:

[Kaleb]

Vikings blocked a Field Goal attempt and returned it for a touchdown.

7-7 now

[Immortalfire]

Enough with the play by play.

[Kaleb]

sorry



last time Childress faced Brees was 1998 .. Wisconsin vs Purdue .. Brees set the NCAA record with 83 pass attempts w/55 completions for 500yds ,Brees lost the game

[Immortalfire]

Dammit Saints, you're supposed to win and salvage my Pick em week!

What did Minnesota do..get a real QB?

[Dark Donnie]

What a block!

[Cmill216]

Who the **** keeps kicking it to Reggie Bush?!

[Kaleb]

REggie Bush you are ridiculous !!:wow:

2 punt returns for a td so far.

[Cmill216]

LOL. Thank you, Tony Kornheiser, for pointing out how freaking stupid that stat line was.

ESPN can be so over-the-top sometimes.

EDIT: Holy **** at that TD to Berrian. Wows.

[Go Web Go!]

Where's Kim K?!

[Dr. Evil]

Holy cow at that pass from Brees!

[Go Web Go!]

Come on, Nawlins. I picked you for my suicide pool this week!

[Kaleb]

haha Martin Gramatica just blew the game for the saints.

[Go Web Go!]

No, the Saints d-backs did...

[Dark Donnie]

Gramatica cost me $110 :o

[Cmill216]

LOL New Orleans. LOL.

[Excel]

Who the **** keeps kicking it to Reggie Bush?!

You mean the guy I was lambasted for last season when I said it was too early to give up on him?

Yes, what. He is playing nasty.

[Bunker]

Stuart Scott is in love with saying "Here...we...go!".

[Go Web Go!]

Stuart Scott is in love with saying "Here...we...go!".

Oh yes. Annoying me since week 1 and counting...

[Cmill216]

Yeah, I like Stu for the most part, but teaming him up with Steve Young and Emmitt "Incoherent" Smith is a losing combination.

[Go Web Go!]

Emmitt's fun to watch, just because you don't know what words he's going to butcher next.

Ex. The New York Giants have given the NFL a BOOTPRINT on how to beat the Patriots, lol

[The Game]

You mean the guy I was lambasted for last season when I said it was too early to give up on him?

Yes, what. He is playing nasty.

Bush is a good player, just a horrid RB, the guy has no RB instincts and is a terrible runner. Now as a PR / slot WR he could become something.

Emmitt's fun to watch, just because you don't know what words he's going to butcher next.

Ex. The New York Giants have given the NFL a BOOTPRINT on how to beat the Patriots, lol

How about ''The Patriots just got debacled '' erm what?...........but he is funny

[Kaleb]

Reggie Bush is nothing more than a glorified 3rd down back, he has had only one 100 yard rushing game in his career.

[Immortalfire]

How the mighty do fall.

[Silver Knight]

How the mighty do fall.
Who are you referring to?

[Kaleb]

Tom Brady :o

[Silver Knight]

He will be back..

[Raiden]

Reggie Bush was ridiculous last night, with two punt return TDs (which I think probably set a record or something), but Saints committed way too many penalties and turnovers, and Brees countered his TD with INT and fumble (he also lost the game for my fantasy team, which was undefeated until this week :cmad:). Both Saints and Eagles have been playing lousy these past few weeks, and we'll see if they can right the ship or fell into mediocracy.

[Go Web Go!]

Luckily for them, the Saints are in a wide-open division. None of the teams are really consistant on a week to week basis, except for maybe Carolina - and the jury is still out on them. They can still put a streak together and maybe win the division.

[Double Down]

Reggie Bush was ridiculous last night, with two punt return TDs (which I think probably set a record or something), but Saints committed way too many penalties and turnovers, and Brees countered his TD with INT and fumble (he also lost the game for my fantasy team, which was undefeated until this week :cmad:). Both Saints and Eagles have been playing lousy these past few weeks, and we'll see if they can right the ship or fell into mediocracy.

Bush tied a record held by several people.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea didn't Devin Hester get a couple returns for TDs in one game last season?

[Double Down]

Reggie Bush ties NFL record with two touchdown on punt returns
13 hours ago

NEW ORLEANS — Reggie Bush of the New Orleans Saints tied an NFL record by returning two punts for touchdowns in the same game Monday night against the Minnesota Vikings.

Bush was 12th player in league history to do it. The last was Eddie Drummond of Detroit against Jacksonville on Nov. 14, 2004. Both returns came in the second half and were crucial in helping the Saints turn a 20-10 deficit into a 27-20 lead.

Late in the third quarter, Bush's 71-yard return pulled the Saints within 20-17. The game was tied at 20 when Bush ran back another punt 64 yards for a score for his third TD on a punt return this season and fourth in his career.

Bush had a Saints' game record of 176 punt return yards after his second score. His first touchdown made him the Saints' career leader in that category.

[Double Down]

From Rotoworld.com:

"Every Patriots fan I know prefers to see Sammy Morris, LaMont Jordan, and Kevin Faulk in the backfield rather than Laurence Maroney. They move the chains. They don't dance around at the line of scrimmage, miss big holes, and go out of bounds half a yard short of a first down. Patriots coaches are starting to feel the same way. Maroney isn't even a good role player right now. He rarely stays in the game for long. LaMont Jordan probably would have led the Patriots in carries if he didn't get hurt Sunday. Sammy Morris did instead. Maroney needs to be out of all lineups."


Every Patriots fan except one, I would say.

[Dr. Evil]

Here's something to talk about:

Who is better?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/fb_AAHH069_8x10~Tony-Romo-Posters.jpg
Tony Romo

http://eroundlake.com/blog/uploaded_images/brees-733248.jpg
Drew Brees

[Ace of Knaves]

Hmmmm interesting, I think Brees is a more grounded, down to earth leader from interviews and footage i've seen. Romo comes across quite arrogant though.
I would say Brees is the more complete QB, but thats because hes more experianced and has more pro years under his belt.

[Belvedere]

Drew Brees.

Personally, I believe him to be one of the most intelligent quarterbacks in the league, he doesn't have the rocket arm of Brett Favre or feet of Tony Romo; but he's as accurate as they come.

If he had a healthy Saints offense around him (ie Shockey and Colston back) I think he'd be putting up monster numbers.

[Kaleb]

Hmmmm interesting, I think Brees is a more grounded, down to earth leader from interviews and footage i've seen. Romo comes across quite arrogant though.
I would say Brees is the more complete QB, but thats because hes more experianced and has more pro years under his belt.
agreed, also add to the fact that Brees has been studly in 2 different teams ( Chargers and Saints) and currently he is putting up huge numbers without his some of his main weapons ( coltson, Patten and Shockey). I like Tony Romo however Id like to see how he would do if he didnt have Terrell Owens and Jason Witten.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea the mark of a great QB is the ability to be successful without marque receivers IMO.

I do like the way Romo can avoid sacks though, he's very elusive. There's a video on NFL.com with T.D and Mariuci talking about his turnovers, he has had quite a lot already this season.

[Kaleb]

Before this season started I had Drew Brees down as the mvp.

[Ace of Knaves]

Who do reckon is MVP at this point in the season? It's Ronnie Brown all the way for me.

[DeaDheaD]

Its Brees right now, but Romo has to deal with Owens, Jerry Jones, and the Dallas media every day, not to mention ESPN being the 24 hour Dallas Cowboy channel

[Silver Knight]

Whats so bad about Maroney?

I dont get it.

[Kaleb]

Currently right now its Kurt Warner.

[DeaDheaD]

Eli Manning for MVP so far

[Kaleb]

Its Brees right now, but Romo has to deal with Owens, Jerry Jones, and the Dallas media every day, not to mention ESPN being the 24 hour Dallas Cowboy channel

For me its a close one between Warner and Brees, I guess when Brees gets his weapon back then I would say its him.

[Double Down]

Currently right now its Kurt Warner.

Here is a good column on Warner:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgeQl1L1a14OVgdRhTuKn99DubYF?slug=ms-morningrush100608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[DeaDheaD]

For me its a close one between Warner and Brees, I guess when Brees gets his weapon back then I would say its him.
I wasn't talking mvp debate, I missed your post, I think Romo and Warner commit far too many turnovers to be in the MVP discussion.

[Silver Knight]

Eli Manning for MVP so far
No sir.

[Ace of Knaves]

I just think Ronnie Brown has such a impact on his team, he is basically responsible for two big wins.

[Kaleb]

I wasn't talking mvp debate, I missed your post, I think Romo and Warner commit far too many turnovers to be in the MVP discussion.

fair enough, um Warner for comeback player of the yr ?

[Kaleb]

I just think Ronnie Brown has such a impact on his team, he is basically responsible for two big wins.

So your ready to give the mvp award to a runningback that helped the team to 2 big wins ?.

[Dark Donnie]

I like Cutler as MVP if The Broncos keep it up.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm talking about at this point in the season. MVP stands for most valuable player yes? Well Ronnie Brown IMO is without a doubt the most valuable player for his team. Just think where the Dolphins would be without him, deffinatly 2 less wins.

[Kaleb]

I like Cutler as MVP if The Broncos keep it up.
I think Cutler would get the offensive player of the yr

[Go Web Go!]

fair enough, um Warner for comeback player of the yr ?

Kerry Collins :o

[Double Down]

I wasn't talking mvp debate, I missed your post, I think Romo and Warner commit far too many turnovers to be in the MVP discussion.

Take away the Jets game, and Warner has one turnover in four games -- and that was a fluky interception. It will be interesting to see how he does the rest of the season. If that Jets game was just a bad (really bad) day, Warner very well may be in the MVP discussion.

Right now, Eli likely would win the award, but I want to see him against better competition. The Washington win was high quality, but the other three wins were against teams with a combined record of 1-12.

If I was voting, I would select Ben Roethlisberger. He doesn't have glittery numbers, but no way that team is 4-1 without him and he is a warrior.
My runner-up is Albert Haynesworth.

[Kaleb]

Kerry Collins :o The Titans are winnig because of their defense and their running game, not because of Kerry '' 740yards and 3 td and 3 int in 3 games'' Collins

[Ace of Knaves]

Haynesworth is a BEAST!!!

[Kaleb]

MVP : Drew Brees
Comeback player of the yr : Kurt Warner
Coach of the Yr : Jim Zorn
offensive player of the yr : Jay Cutler
defensive player of the yr : ?

[Kaleb]

MVP : Drew Brees
Comeback player of the yr : Kurt Warner
Coach of the Yr : Jim Zorn
offensive player of the yr : Jay Cutler
defensive player of the yr : ?

[DeaDheaD]

No sir.
Why not?
fair enough, um Warner for comeback player of the yr ?
He was good last year, if he keeps the INTS low then sure.
Take away the Jets game, and Warner has one turnover in four games -- and that was a fluky interception. It will be interesting to see how he does the rest of the season. If that Jets game was just a bad (really bad) day, Warner very well may be in the MVP discussion.

Right now, Eli likely would win the award, but I want to see him against better competition. The Washington win was high quality, but the other three wins were against teams with a combined record of 1-12.

If I was voting, I would select Ben Roethlisberger. He doesn't have glittery numbers, but no way that team is 4-1 without him and he is a warrior.
My runner-up is Albert Haynesworth.
W/O the Jets game Warner also has 420 yards and 2 TD's less.

[Double Down]

Warner was way too good last year to be the comeback player of the year (27 touchdowns).

I like Charles Woodson as my pick for comeback player of the year. He has been fantastic this season after really not doing much the past few seasons.

[DeaDheaD]

MVP : Drew Brees
Comeback player of the yr : Kurt Warner
Coach of the Yr : Jim Zorn
offensive player of the yr : Jay Cutler
defensive player of the yr : ?
5 Games into the season

MVP: Eli
Coach: Zorn
Comeback: Mike Brown
Offensive Player: Michael Turner
Defensive: All 11 starters for the Titan's defense.

[Double Down]

W/O the Jets game Warner also has 420 yards and 2 TD's less.

That's fair, but that still leaves him with 8 TDs and 1,000 yards (exactly) in four games.

[DeaDheaD]

That's fair, but that still leaves him with 8 TDs and 1,000 yards (exactly) in four games.

Which is a great year, hopefully he stays consistent and is able to get more wins this year.

[Double Down]

Truthfully, while it's fun to guess the MVP so far and such, it's hard to really do it until all of the bye weeks are done - to even out the numbers.
But I will say this, so far Brett Favre just might be the offensive player of the year. (And I am NOT a Favre apologist. I think he has always been a bit over-rated. Great, yes, but not the God that announcers make him out to be).
But so far he has 12 TDs in 4 games, while Cutler has 10 in five games. The Manning brothers have a total of 11 TDs in eight combined games.

[DeaDheaD]

BLACKSTOCK SUSPENDED, WATSON RETURNS (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/07/blackstock-suspended-watson-returns/)

Posted by Mike Florio on October 7, 2008, 2:39 p.m.
The Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#) have announced that linebacker Darryl Blackstock has been suspended four games for violating the league’s policy regarding anabolic steroids and related substances.
“I’ve apologized to my coaches and teammates for an unfortunate mistake,” Blackstock said. “I did not intentionally violate the policy, but I know it’s my responsibility to use only approved nutritional supplements, and I didn’t realize I was taking an over-the-counter product that included a banned substance. I also want to apologize to our fans, and I’ll do everything I can to be ready to come back strong next month.”
Wow. That’s the closest any NFL player has come to actually accepting responsibility for a violation of the policy. And while it’s admirable that Blackstock admits that he took an over-the-counter product containing a banned substance, it was also stupid for him not to check the NFLPA’s approved list of substances.
As expected, the Bengals also re-signed running back (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#) Kenny Watson, who was cut last week to create a roster spot for receiver Chris Henry.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/07/blackstock-suspended-watson-returns/

A Bengals' player getting suspended WTF?


...

[The Game]

I will agree with Kaleb on most things so far:

MVP : Drew Brees
Comeback player of the yr : Kurt Warner
Coach of the Yr : Jim Zorn
offensive player of the yr : Jay Cutler
defensive player of the yr : Chris Horton

[The Game]

I will agree with Kaleb on most things so far:

MVP : Drew Brees
Comeback player of the yr : Kurt Warner
Coach of the Yr : Jim Zorn
offensive player of the yr : Jay Cutler
defensive player of the yr : Chris Horton

[DeaDheaD]

Childress threw his punter under the bus...

[Double Down]

If Warner continues to go as he has this year, he will finish with 32 TDs in 16 games. Last year he had 27 TDs in 14 games. How is that the comeback player of the year?

[Go Web Go!]

It's 5 weeks into the season. Can we hold off on this award talk for awhile? You guys sound like a bunch of ESPN analysts :P

[Double Down]

Or Sports Illustrated. This was posted at 3:35 ET

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/bucky_brooks/10/07/awards.watch/

[Double Down]

http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__7/ept_sports_nfl_experts-96068057-1223312136.jpg?ymJc9HADf3VXBqpR

[Belvedere]

http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__7/ept_sports_nfl_experts-96068057-1223312136.jpg?ymJc9HADf3VXBqpR

I couldn't believe that when I watched it.

Sage RosenFAILs managed to lose that game, really quickly.

[Zephyr Alexian]

It's 5 weeks into the season. Can we hold off on this award talk for awhile? You guys sound like a bunch of ESPN analysts :P

haha, people need something to talk about. Still, I can see Mike, Keyshawn, and Emmitt locking jaws about this and finding ways to spin the fact that they got it wrong.:D

Chris Berrman and Tom Jackson knows their stuff; sometimes Hodge does too.:o:
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[Go Web Go!]

http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__7/ept_sports_nfl_experts-96068057-1223312136.jpg?ymJc9HADf3VXBqpR

Never saw the Rosencopter when he was down here as a back-up, but hope to see plenty of it this Sunday. :word:

[Double Down]

http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__7/ept_sports_nfl_experts-924446181-1223302815.jpg?ymiK7HADhC60Veg2

[Double Down]

The Titans have resigned Chris Simms.

[CalebYourMaster]

Has anyone played Madden 09 yet? Is it worth getting or is it just 08 with slightly better graphics?
i didnt buy cuz its just like madden 08

[Raiden]

The Titans have resigned Chris Simms.

Is that a bad news for Kerry Collin or Vince Young?

[Double Down]

I doubt it.

[The Game]

http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__7/ept_sports_nfl_experts-924446181-1223302815.jpg?ymiK7HADhC60Veg2

Wow, leave him alone, LOL

[Double Down]

I find that picture hilarious.

[Excel]

Brees has to many pics and losses to be MVP. It is Eli, no doubt, right now.

[Excel]

http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__7/ept_sports_nfl_experts-924446181-1223302815.jpg?ymiK7HADhC60Veg2

:wow:

[Alex The Great]

IS Jeff Garcia starting this sunday. Cause I need to know, like, now. He's on waivers in the FF league i'm and I need to know, like now.

[Cmill216]

He's probably going to start, but you'd have to have a god awful QB situation to be relying on the status of Jeff Garcia.

[Alex The Great]

You guys think that Marty Booker will be thrown to more after the good game he had?

[Go Web Go!]

Is that a bad news for Kerry Collin or Vince Young?


None of the above. He's just another Joey Harrington at this point.

[Double Down]

Can you get Frerotte? He's a better option than Garcia this week due to the matchup.

[Showtime]

Is that a bad news for Kerry Collin or Vince Young?

For the Titans.

[Go Web Go!]

Lions WR Roy Williams is rumored to be on the market for a 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dallas jump on that if that were infact the case.

[Kaleb]

Lions WR Roy Williams is rumored to be on the market for a 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dallas jump on that if that were infact the case.
That is a crock of crap, considering that the Lions have said that it would take more than a first round to even consider a trade.

[Kaleb]

You guys think that Marty Booker will be thrown to more after the good game he had? No it was the Lions they played against , the most mediocore of wideouts would look like studs againsts their secondary.

[Dr. Evil]

What was the point of releasing Chris Simms then bringing him back?

Also, the Rams released Eddie Kennison, brought him back and plan on releasing him again when Dane Looker is cleared to play this weekend.

Also, Bengals re-sign Kenny Watson after they released him.

[Silver Knight]

Lions WR Roy Williams is rumored to be on the market for a 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dallas jump on that if that were infact the case.
I would think thats a good deal and will get done.

[DeaDheaD]

That is a crock of crap, considering that the Lions have said that it would take more than a first round to even consider a trade.

Supposedly the Cowboys offered a pick and DeMarcus Ware for Williams and the Lions turned that down......I dont think Detroit is going to trade him.

[Go Web Go!]

That is a crock of crap, considering that the Lions have said that it would take more than a first round to even consider a trade.

Can't quite find the link, but a newspaper in Detroit, as well as a local station up there is reporting it.

[Double Down]

According to the NFL Network, the Lions offered Williams for Ware, straight up, and the Cowboys turned it down. The Lions will not trade him for a third round pick. They can franchise him and get a first and a third from whoever signs him.

[Ace of Knaves]

Why would the Lions trade Roy Williams? They are crap enough as it is, why get rid of one of your starting wide-outs? FOOLS!

[BlackLantern]

Why would the Lions trade Roy Williams? They are crap enough as it is, why get rid of one of your starting wide-outs? FOOLS!

Clean house....start with Millen and work the way down....don't be surprised if everyone on the coaching staff gets the ax after the season

[DeaDheaD]

Why would the Lions trade Roy Williams? They are crap enough as it is, why get rid of one of your starting wide-outs? FOOLS!

They don't want to have to pay two top wide-reciever contracts, Williams will be expensive and Calvin will be really expensive...

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I understand that, but if you want to be a successful team you should keep your best players. They could get rid of a lot of other guys and keep both of them.

[Zephyr Alexian]

The Lions are in turmoil.

Clean house....start with Millen and work the way down....don't be surprised if everyone on the coaching staff gets the ax after the season

They need to make those kind of wholesale changes.:up:

[Go Web Go!]

They need to make those kind of wholesale changes.:up:

Yup. Look at the Dolphins. They cleaned house from top to bottom. Only retained 4 coaches, a handful of players, and got rid of 2 guys who were the faces of the franchise for a decade or so (Thomas & Taylor) And even though it's very early, you can see them making strides.

[Zephyr Alexian]

Those are the moves that tend to re-energize a team and the entire organization; fans start to pay attention to see how it works out. Detroit needs a coach who really wants to win with the right personnel.

Hmmm, maybe Lane Kiffen?

Davis fired a young Shanahan and look how that turned out. I'm expecting the same thing to happen with LK.:o

[Kaleb]

Henne is the Phins future :o

[Belvedere]

I'm glad I'm not a Phins fan, then.

[Kaleb]

Reggie Bush never will be a 'great' NFL player

Reputations can be made — and ruined — by a single performance on Monday Night Football. Everyone in the league is watching or involved in the game, and so everything that happens — good or bad — tends to be exaggerated.

The most recent Monday night game received plenty of hype, given the involvement of the Vikings' Adrian Peterson and Saints' Reggie Bush. It wasn't surprising, since both players have been the center of attention during their relatively short tenures in the league.


Only one of these two players truly has delivered on expectations. (Do I really need to say which one?) The other has been, for the most part, a glorified third-down back.

But with two punt returns for touchdowns Monday night, folks now assume Bush, after two-plus years of average-to-mildly-above-average play, has arrived.

Um, not quite.

Bush had a great game. It's still only one game. Less than four years ago, Eddie Drummond returned two punts for touchdowns on the same day and is now out of the league. Jermaine Lewis did it for the Ravens not once but twice, and he won't ever get into Canton without paying admission.

Apart from those punt returns Monday night, Bush was ordinary. He ran the ball 12 times for 29 yards.

For the season, Bush is averaging 3.3 yards per carry. For his career, he is at 3.6 yards per carry. Monday night's showing of less than 2.5 yards per attempt only brought down those numbers.

Bush also caught seven passes for 64 yards Monday. Solid, not spectacular.

Those details, however, get lost in the shuffle when the thrust of the argument is Bush's ability to find an opening and sprint to paydirt with two punted balls means he instantly is better than the Bears' Devin Hester. That perception was fueled by Vikings coach Brad Childress' unseemly public finger-pointing at punter Chris Kluwe for failing to kick the ball away from Hester, I mean, Bush.

But running backs and punt returners aren't like quarterbacks, receivers and players at other positions who flourish after getting accustomed to the speed and flow of the NFL game. Running backs and punt returners play with instinct and raw skill. The light doesn't come on in Year 3; it's on from the moment the player joins the league. Or it isn't, and never will be.

I'm not saying Bush isn't a solid player. I am saying Bush has a ceiling on his skill level, and that his performance on Monday night did nothing to shatter it.

He's good, not great. He's definitely not the guy everyone thought he would be.

It might be a good for Bush that the Saints didn't win Monday. In a roundabout way, the loss took some of the shine off Bush's showing, thereby reducing the extent to which he'll now be expected to become the player he never will be.

That said, Bush clearly outshined Peterson on Monday night. Peterson averaged a paltry 1.5 yards on 21 carries. It was a horrible night for him, and it's amazing the Vikings nevertheless found a way to win.

Still, Peterson clearly is the better player. One bad night by him and one good night from Bush on NFL's biggest weekly stage doesn't change that.





source:sportingnews.com

[Ace of Knaves]

Agree with that article. I think Bush should just be a speciality back, coming in on third downs or lining up in the slot. I see Bush as a back who could get 600-800 yards rushing and maybe 500 yards recieving per season, never a fully fledged running back.