2008 NFL Thread

[Cmill216]

The NFL season is too short to determine an All-Star team in the middle of the season like in other sports.

[BlackLantern]

I'm all for having it in the Super Bowl city the week after that way more fans can see it......how come those people in Hawaii get it every year....its crap

[Jerry!]

Well it seems like Miami gets the Super Bowl every other year so I don't really care where the Pro Bowl is.

[BlackLantern]

well the SB hasnt been in Miami since 02 or 03 and its in Tampa this coming year, then I think san diego the year after that... its in Miami in 2010

[Fran]

I thought that it was in Miami last year? Or was that Jacksonville?

[Cmill216]

Nevermind.

[NewYorkSpider]

I was hoping New York would have got a Super Bowl.

[Fran]

I still can't believe Detroit got a Super Bowl.

[BlackLantern]

because Detroit has a dome.....sadly i do not think we will ever see a super bowl played outside in a cold weather city

[Fran]

A Super Bowl at Lambeau would be magnificent.

[Jerry!]

because Detroit has a dome.....sadly i do not think we will ever see a super bowl played outside in a cold weather city

It will probably never happen again because there are too many pussy teams that would complain about it.

[Immortalfire]

well the SB hasnt been in Miami since 02 or 03 and its in Tampa this coming year, then I think san diego the year after that... its in Miami in 2010

Miami had it last year...Colts/Bears

[Fran]

Yep. Dolphins Stadium.

[Cmill216]

The teams wouldn't be complaining more than the fans and partygoers.

[Jerry!]

You honestly think that there wouldn't be an argument if a team like the Chargers made the Super Bowl in a cold outside environment against a team like the Bears or Packers?

[BlackLantern]

Miami had it last year...Colts/Bears

I read that it only ended up in Miami because Kansas Citys' bid fell through last minute....from what I've read the past 3 or 4 SB's have ended up in the second choice city because something happened with the original host city...be it funding, stadium issues

[BlackLantern]

the NFL is always going to look to maximize profit, both for the super bowl and for the city it is in....thats why they are usually in tourist friendly cities...Miami, San diego, so on....adjusting for hotel rooms and all that....I doubt Green Bay, Wisconsin can handle all the media, personnel and alll the other extra crap that goes with the super bowl....

[Jerry!]

Green Bay maybe not, but Chicago definitely could. New York could.

[Fran]

New York WOULD. :huh:

[NewYorkSpider]

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These are great! :up:

After I get done making a movie, how do I post it on here?

[Dark Donnie]

because Detroit has a dome.....sadly i do not think we will ever see a super bowl played outside in a cold weather city

There have been talks about having it in either NY and Philly. I know both cites put in a bid.

[Jerry!]

These are great! :up:

After I get done making a movie, how do I post it on here?

It gives you a link after you make it.

[BlackLantern]

New york did, but its dependent on a new stadium with the retractable roof being built...

[NewYorkSpider]

It gives you a link after you make it.

I got it. Thanks.

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[Excel]

I think it'd be cool if they did the pro bowl in like, May or June.

There hasnt been football for months and there wont be either, itd make buzz easier to grow.

[Fran]

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[NewYorkSpider]

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[Jerry!]

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[NewYorkSpider]

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[Jerry!]

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[NewYorkSpider]

HaHa!!!

This is my last one for awhile. Need to make some for the MLB thread.

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[StorminNorman]

In response ot Excel's thread:
The clock was stopped so the referee's could check to see if Brandon Jacobs had in fact gotten the first down. They stopped the clock because play was not in motion - the Giants were unable to run up and snap the ball, (because the refs had not yet established they had a down to work with) so it would of been unfair to have play in motion.

It is possible to stop the clock to check the spot of the ball without bringing out the chains - which is exactly what was going on here.

No conspiracy there.

[Jerry!]

THAT was what the "conspiracy" was over? I didn't bother to watch the video he posted because I didn't notice anything when I watched the game about time being put on the clock. That's just common sense, it was close, so they stopped the clock to see that he had indeed made the first down. Happens just about every game.

[Dark Donnie]

Report: Chad Johnson shoves team employee

Chad Johnson shoved a Bengals media relations employee following Pro Bowl practice Thursday, according to FOXSports.com's Alex Marvez.

T.O. II? Marvez, with Bengals employee Michael Lipman beside him, asked Johnson if he felt better after venting at the Super Bowl last week. Johnson walked away, and when Lipman asked again, Chad reportedly shoved him and "stared him down." Johnson later admitted on the NFL Network that he's "gotten out of line every now and then" behind the scenes, adding "what great one doesn't? Find me a great one that doesn't do the same things I've done and I'll stop playing. Period." HOF Class of '08 Art Monk comes to mind. Feb. 8 - 12:09 am et
Source: FOXSports.com

Oh Chad

[Erzengel]

In response ot Excel's thread:
The clock was stopped so the referee's could check to see if Brandon Jacobs had in fact gotten the first down. They stopped the clock because play was not in motion - the Giants were unable to run up and snap the ball, (because the refs had not yet established they had a down to work with) so it would of been unfair to have play in motion.

It is possible to stop the clock to check the spot of the ball without bringing out the chains - which is exactly what was going on here.

No conspiracy there.

And to Shadowboxing, if the Giants weren't a phenomenal team, they wouldn't have beat the top teams in the league back to back to back. Cowbowys, Packers, Patriots.

Telling me all 3 "choked"? Please.

And they didn't play well? I think keeping the Patriots to 2 touchdowns for the entire game the lowest of their season not to mention the Giants gave them the worst deficit of the regular season isn't playing well? The defense beat up the Patriots the entire night.

[Erzengel]

Also, I watched the last Inside the NFL and it such a bad call to take it off the air. The reasons being because of ESPN, Sportscenter and the internet.

I think they might go to the NFL channel but I don't have that station. F' You HBO.

[Showtime]

I don't have HBO or the NFL channel unfortunately.

[Dark Donnie]

NFL network its real cheap...only costs me $1.99 a month, and I get the MLB, NHL, and NBA channels.


Javon Walker-WR-Broncos Feb. 8 - 10:52 am et

The Broncos haven't spoken to Javon Walker's agent since the end of the season. The Denver Post expects him to be cut or traded within a month.

Walker isn't going to to take a paycut to stay in Denver. Considering the health of his knee, we seriously doubt that any other team will trade for him. Look for Walker to hit the open market.
Source: Denver Post


Brian Urlacher-LB-Bears Feb. 8 - 10:47 am et

Brian Urlacher reportedly had surgery on his neck, according to the Chicago Tribune.

The surgery reportedly focused on the lower neck region and cervical curve of the spine. Many of Urlacher's struggles in '07 were blamed on his arthritic back, and this surgery shows the problems were deeper. There is no such thing as a "minor" neck surgery, although Urlacher is expected to be ready for training camp.
Source: Chicago Tribune

[Showtime]

NFL network its real cheap...only costs me $1.99 a month, and I get the MLB, NHL, and NBA channels.

Really? Hmmm. I should call up my cable company. What company do you have?

[Dark Donnie]

Really? Hmmm. I should call up my cable company. What company do you have?

I have Comcast at my girlfriends which is generally where im at most of the time. My parents have Direct TV and I think they get it for free.

The $1.99 thing is a 6 month trial I believe, many get it only during the NFL season. After the 6 months it only goes up like 2-3 bucks and you still get all the channels.

[Matt]

Oh Chad

Jerome Bettis and Hines Ward, two great ones who don't shove their team's employees..

[Showtime]

I have Comcast at my girlfriends which is generally where im at most of the time. My parents have Direct TV and I think they get it for free.

The $1.99 thing is a 6 month trial I believe, many get it only during the NFL season. After the 6 months it only goes up like 2-3 bucks and you still get all the channels.

I have Comcast as well. I should check it out.

[Dark Donnie]

I have Comcast as well. I should check it out.

It's definately worth it IMO. I got it originally for the 4 games they offered at teh end of the year, but they have loads of other stuff as well...lot of NFL films docs, greatest games, etc.

[Dark Donnie]

Asante Samuel-DB-Patriots Feb. 8 - 12:00 pm et

Asked to rate his chances of returning to New England on a scale of 1-to-10, Asante Samuel said his chances of coming back were a 10.

Huh? Samuel then goes on to say, "It's gonna take a lot to make me happy ... It's no secret I'm looking for a big, huge, blockbuster deal." We suspect the Patriots will make a very competitive offer, but there's he's still likely to leave for more money elsewhere.
Source: Boston Globe
:boba:

[LegendaryCaleb]

http://giantsarenumberone.ytmnd.com/
so...does that mean Meatwad is a psychic

[Showtime]

It's definately worth it IMO. I got it originally for the 4 games they offered at teh end of the year, but they have loads of other stuff as well...lot of NFL films docs, greatest games, etc.

Yeah my dad has it. He loves it. I went over there this morning and was watching an NHL channel that all the plays from all the games around the league with no studio commentary. Great stuff.

[Dark Donnie]

Randy Moss-WR-Patriots Feb. 8 - 12:50 pm et

ESPN's Mike Sando believes the "smart money" is on the Patriots franchise tagging potential free agent Randy Moss.

Because the Pats can't go official with a long-term announcement before free agency begins due to strings in Moss' contract, they could use the tag to keep other clubs from tampering. They'd then have until mid-July to lock Moss up.
Source: ESPN.com

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah my dad has it. He loves it. I went over there this morning and was watching an NHL channel that all the plays from all the games around the league with no studio commentary. Great stuff.

NHL on the Fly? Good stuff

[Erzengel]

:boba:
Sometimes I wonder how fans can stay true to their teams and this isn't just about the Pats since almost every team is like this when players aren't loyal to their team.

I remember Bettis taking a cut in pay so he could do one more year with the Steelers. :up:

[Showtime]

Randy Moss-WR-Patriots Feb. 8 - 12:50 pm et

ESPN's Mike Sando believes the "smart money" is on the Patriots franchise tagging potential free agent Randy Moss.

Because the Pats can't go official with a long-term announcement before free agency begins due to strings in Moss' contract, they could use the tag to keep other clubs from tampering. They'd then have until mid-July to lock Moss up.
Source: ESPN.com

Thats the rub around here.

NHL on the Fly? Good stuff

Exactly!

[Erzengel]

Why We Watch the Games
Why We Watch the Games
February 5, 2008 by Elliott Kalb
Nearly 100 million of us watched the Super Bowl between the Patriots and Giants. We witnessed history, albeit not the historical performance we thought we would see. We saw one of the greatest receptions on one of the greatest drives against one of the greatest teams of all time. The Giants victory-and how the Giants won-shocked the world. The Giants, literally playing up to the Super Bowl's marketing slogan, clearly "wanted it more."

There were heroes, and plenty of them. There weren't many goats. The Patriots didn't lose this game, as much as the Giants earned it. It almost certainly will be remembered as one of the three or four greatest Super Bowls of all time. It will be remembered along with Super Bowl III as an improbable upset against a dominating opponent. It will be remembered along with Super Bowl XXIII for a brilliant two-minute drive that turned defeat into victory in the final minute of the game.

The New York Giants-who won only three home games all year-won the Super Bowl over the previously undefeated New England Patriots. In doing so, they made many rooters happy.

The Giants have a long and loyal list of passionate fans who were rewarded with their first Super Bowl championship in 17 years. Jets fans could also revel in the celebration, as their rivalry with the Patriots is well-known, with the Jets turning in the Patriots to the league following the season opener which opened the can of worms known as "Spygate."

Do you think Dolphins fans are happy? Longtime supporters of the Fish kept hope alive that the Giants could do what no other team could this season-protect the legacy of the 1972 Dolphins.

Do you think that Raiders fans are happy? The Patriots began their string of success in a playoff game against the Raiders on January 19, 2002. Oakland had the game seemingly won after Charles Woodson stripped Tom Brady of the football late in the snowy contest. But the refs ruled that Brady's arm was in a throwing motion, and that it was an incomplete pass. New England escaped. It took six years, but life has a way of evening out. The Giants got most of the late breaks in Super Bowl 42, not the Patriots. On the final game-winning drive, the Giants completed a nine-yard pass to Amani Toomer and referee Mike Carey called for a measurement, giving the Giants a slight advantage in their race against the clock. Later in the drive, Asante Samuel dropped a possible interception with 80 ticks left in the game, and the Giants still 56 yards away from victory. Samuel drops the ball, and then on the next play Richard Seymour and Jarvis Green very nearly had Eli Manning in the grasp.

How about Colts fans? Indianapolis has a long-running rivalry with the Patriots, and the Colts had to be happy for the entire Manning family, including Giants quarterback Eli. Chargers fans didn't like how New England celebrated their playoff victory in San Diego last year, or how quarterback Philip Rivers jawed at New England fans this year. They were happy in San Diego with Super Bowl 42.

Rams fans-many of whom feel cheated in the recent news that the Patriots may have illegally taped their final walk-through (practice) before Super Bowl XXXVI-are happy that the Patriots lost. Ditto Steelers fans, who feel that the Patriots may have had knowledge of their plays in an earlier AFC Championship game.

The fact is that the Patriots' success and the dour personality of their head coach made them an easy team for many to root against.

Although there is no goat of the game, there are instances in the contest where coaching decisions can be questioned. The play-calling of the Patriots has to be called into question. They ran the ball only six times in the second half-despite leading for most of the game, and never trailing by more than three points.

I can honestly say that this was a "first-guess" and I have the tapes from an appearance on Sirius Satellite radio in the days before the Super Bowl to prove it. Because of Tom Brady's sprained ankle, the ferocious pass rush of the Giants, and the postseason success of running back Lawrence Maroney; I thought the Patriots would come out running the football.

They didn't run the football well. They didn't run the football enough. On the opening drive of the third quarter, the Patriots got a new set of downs following Chase Blackburn's inability to get off the field in time. New England had a 7-3 lead and a first down at the Giants' 39-yard line. This is what they did on their next seven plays: pass, pass, pass, run, pass, sacked attempting to pass, and pass.

New England, with a first down at the 28-yard line, was a few yards short of a reasonable field goal attempt. A sack by Michael Strahan left New England with a 4th down & 13 from the Giants' 31. Belichick passed up a 49-yard field goal. He didn't want to be ahead on points. He was going for the knockout.

I cannot say enough good things about the defensive line of the Giants. Michael Strahan put pressure on Brady all night, and came up with the biggest sack of his career in that opening possession of the third quarter. Justin Tuck was a terror on defense, stripping Brady of the ball and recording a pair of sacks. Tom Brady was sacked five times and knocked down 10 other times. Because the Patriots couldn't protect, they couldn't go long. They didn't have a single play of 20-yards or longer.

Great champions die hard, and the Patriots didn't go easily into the night. Down 10-7, New England fought and scratched for a go-ahead touchdown with less than three minutes remaining in the game. The Giants were faced with 3rd &10 on the final 87-yard drive. The Giants were faced with 3rd & 5 on the drive-which David Tyree made the greatest catch in Super Bowl history. The Giants were faced with 3rd & 11 on the drive. Samuel came close to the pick. Green came close to the sack. Burress held on to the historic touchdown.

New York has won three Super Bowls, despite trailing at halftime in all of them. The Giants have defeated Hall of Fame quarterbacks John Elway, Jim Kelly, and future Hall of Fame quarterback Tom Brady to win their three Super Bowls. The Giants won for the fifth time this season when trailing after three quarters. They won for the 11th consecutive game played away from Giants Stadium.

There was no way of knowing what was going to happen. There was no way of knowing that Eli Manning would turn into a mature, mistake-free quarterback, able to lead his team to a Super Bowl. It is why we watch the games.


Not sure how many articles since INFL is finished.

[Dark Donnie]

Brett Favre-QB-Packers Feb. 8 - 3:42 pm et

Donald Driver says he thinks Brett Favre will be back with the Packers in 2008.

Mike McCarthy, who's currently coaching the NFC at the Pro Bowl, expects to know Favre's plans shortly. "I'll probably talk to Brett from here before I leave," McCarthy said. "But we're probably about a week away from knowing his decision. "I'd like to see him walk away with another Super Bowl ring."
Source: USA Today

:up:

[Jerry!]

Goddammit.

[FaT_tONle]

If I was Aaron Rogers I demand a trade... Pack might as well take another QB to protect themselves...

[FaT_tONle]

Randy Moss-WR-Patriots Feb. 8 - 12:50 pm et

ESPN's Mike Sando believes the "smart money" is on the Patriots franchise tagging potential free agent Randy Moss.

Because the Pats can't go official with a long-term announcement before free agency begins due to strings in Moss' contract, they could use the tag to keep other clubs from tampering. They'd then have until mid-July to lock Moss up.
Source: ESPN.com

The Pats will be in cap hell in a few years... I don't think they'll win another one... they are going to have to give Moss and Samuel mega signing bonuses... in time... Wilfork, Warren, and Green will command a big payday... their front seven will come back down to the pack... and Brady will only get older. Hopefully the Jets blow them out of the water with a contract to Samuel and knock off the Belichek and the Pats for good in another 2-3 years.

[Jerry!]

End it Brett, end it.

[FaT_tONle]

End it Brett, end it.

I hope he comes back another year... the team is still good enough to win playoff games.

[Jerry!]

His last game was perfect for me. The perfect ending, him costing his team the Super Bowl. It was awesome. It was like god himself had developed a sense of humor that game and decided to have Favre revert back to his old gunslinger self. I don't want it ruined with another Favre Kodak moment in the Super Bowl.

[Immortalfire]

His last game was perfect for me. The perfect ending, him costing his team the Super Bowl. It was awesome.

:funny: :up:

[FaT_tONle]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_experts/post/Should-we-change-the-playoff-structure-?urn=nfl,65500

Here we go again... it seems every damn year they want something to change... and I am for change if it works... good thing it at least doesn't involve adding more teams to the table... if the NFL wants EVERY reg. season game to count... here is what you do...

SPOT TEAMS POINTS IN THE PLAYOFFS

For real... just think about it... for every game up you finished ahead of your opponent in the playoffs... add 2-3 points to their score before the game even begins... ONLY TO BE NULLIFIED if the team with the worser record has a head to head advantage. Its not that many points anyway if you think about it... I mean teams aren't going to go 16-0 every year. That way you won't have an 8-8 team that gets hot at the end having won its last four and slipping into the tourney only to go deep into the playoffs by beating a 14-2 one seed... I don't think that's fair... I mean it isn't the American style post season we are normally accustomed to... but I think it works. As far as the Superbowl... I guess they can start both teams at zero a piece.

[Jerry!]

What's not fair about it? In the playoffs you should be playing your heart out. That is the appeal of the NFL playoffs. One game, anything can happen. Upsets happen, nothing you can do about it. That's what makes it exciting.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't mind either way... but that's something that drives college sports more so I think... look no way the Giants were beating the Pats if they were down like 12-18 points before even starting... but again the SUperbowl is different and you wouldn't need to implement something like that... but it is kind of unfair that a team that loses their edge the final two weeks of the season only to get bounced in the first round... that's just my take on it. I mean baseball has a series... as does the NHL, NBA... the best teams usually win... although I'd change the first round format in baseball since five games is too short. I don't think it would be that drastic a change if they did what I said they should do... either way what Goodall has in mind should be the first step... the better record should at the very least get a home game... but it won't change much if you are winning your division at 7-7 and the best wild card team in that conference is like 10-4 at that point... both teams would still tank it...

[Mister J]

SPOT TEAMS POINTS IN THE PLAYOFFS

Yeah, no thanks. :dry:
If a team can't win come playoff time, it's because they simply weren't good enough.

I wouldn't mind home field advantage being determined by better record, but that's about it. The regular season is window dressing. That just gets you an invitation to the real deal. Once the playoffs starts, you need to go out and earn it, with the site of the game being the only potential advantage.

Actually, the first thing I'd want to see them get rid of is that silly extra week before the Super Bowl.

[FaT_tONle]

Well then they might as well play the Pro Bowl for week 17 with the way some of these games turn out to be... hey it is what it is... just offering solutions... I mean no one gives a rats ass about their baseball team if they are already up 11.5 games in the division and the last month is dreadful to watch. No one gives a Rats ass in Hockey or Basketball regular seasons if their teams are consistently playoff teams... I figured the "Nascar" type format wouldn't float well with most people... just throwing out ideas that might fix the problem.

[Addendum]

The NFL has to find better things to do than to "tinker" with the playoffs. The playoff format works. The thing that some people, including me, complain about is benching the starters when everything is wrapped up the last 2 weeks of the season.

And who won the Superbowl this year? The Giants, who played their starters on Week 17 in a game that wouldn't affect their playoff spot.

So perhaps the coaches should take notes from the Giants playoff run, and take that into consideration when their team has everything wrapped up the last 2 weeks of the season, and they're thinking of benching the starters.

[FaT_tONle]

You think just because that's been the trend in recent years that that is going to last??? Watch us see that team that benched everyone the final week win the Superbowl the next year. I mean the Bears did get to the Superbowl last year after tanking that Packer game... teams have rested their players and have still gotten there.

[Addendum]

I simply said that the coaches should take the Giants playoff run into consideration before they bench their starters.

Again, the playoff system the NFL has in place works. Compare that to the cluster**** of a system in Division 1-A college football

[Alex The Great]

:up:
retire already your gonna make the hall of fame anyways lol.

[E. Nygma]

I really wish Favre had beaten the Giants and ended up playing in the Super Bowl this year. I'm not sure if the Packers would have won it, i sure as hell would have given them a better chance than the Giants. But i really wanted to see Favre go out a winner. I cant imagine the Packers or Favre repeating the success they had last year, being 13-3 with the second best record in the NFC and making it all the way to the NFC title game. So either way you look at it next year the Packers probably will be "down" from this year.

[FaT_tONle]

I simply said that the coaches should take the Giants playoff run into consideration before they bench their starters.

Again, the playoff system the NFL has in place works. Compare that to the cluster**** of a system in Division 1-A college football

Yeah CF should go to the sixteen game format... in college the one and done tournament makes sense because it generates more possibilities for the "true" cinderellas and the real upsets... don't get me wrong... the Pats run in 02 and the Giants run this year were as good a pair of cinderella stories you will ever have in the NFL but it doesn't have the same flavor as it would in the college ranks. Hopefully in ten years or so we get a playoff in D1-A... I figured out a way they could do it in the college ranks... they could play the first round of games the weekend leading up to Christmas day on into that whole week... at a time when the students will all be out of school by then and then they can match the winners in the BCS bowls. Then do the final four the Thursday and Friday before wild card weekend and the Championship game the next week... just a thought...

[Erzengel]

It's not like Farve hasn't won a Superbowl, he's not Marino.

[Jerry!]

One was more than enough for me.

[E. Nygma]

It's not like Farve hasn't won a Superbowl, he's not Marino.

Yeah but he's one of the best to ever play. It's going to be hard watching him retire if the Packers somehow regress to 8-8 next year and miss the playoffs. I would have liked to see him at least get to the Bowl once more, and now i think he blew that golden oppertunity.

[Showtime]

The Pats will be in cap hell in a few years... I don't think they'll win another one... they are going to have to give Moss and Samuel mega signing bonuses... in time... Wilfork, Warren, and Green will command a big payday... their front seven will come back down to the pack... and Brady will only get older. Hopefully the Jets blow them out of the water with a contract to Samuel and knock off the Belichek and the Pats for good in another 2-3 years.

Wishful thinking. The division is still horrible at this point, whether they don't win another one, they be in the thick of things as long as they have Brady and Belichick.

[E. Nygma]

The Patriots will never be in cap hell with Scott Pioli running the show.

[Addendum]

Yeah but he's one of the best to ever play. It's going to be hard watching him retire if the Packers somehow regress to 8-8 next year and miss the playoffs. I would have liked to see him at least get to the Bowl once more, and now i think he blew that golden oppertunity.

It would be easy for me. But if Favre does retire, then Madden will have to find another dude to suck on since Al Michaels don't swing like that.

[Jerry!]

Tony Romo.

[Showtime]

Brady Quinn

[Fran]

Y. Maum

[Cmill216]

Tony Romo.

Naw, Buck's got that on lockdown.

[NewYorkSpider]

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[Jerry!]

Hahah, that one is great. I made a similar one with Memphis.

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[Alex The Great]

:sleepy: yawn.....any news :sleepy:

[Jerry!]

Umm...Pro Bowl is on tomorrow.

[BlackLantern]

Naw, Buck's got that on lockdown.

You wouldnt know it by how both Buck and Aikman were polishing Bradys' knob during the Super Bowl....I kept hearing this popping sound every time before Joe Buck said something....like he was taking something out of his mouth

[Erzengel]

I didn't get that impression or maybe I was just focusing on the game. It's not like it's CBS.

[Dark Donnie]

Redskins stunner: Zorn to be next coach?

The Washington Post's Jason LaConfora and NFL Network's Adam Schefter write that there is a "strong possibility" Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach.

Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He's known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassell after seeing the public reaction to him. Schefter writes that Snyder's jet is picking up Zorn in Seattle Saturday. Feb. 9 - 6:45 pm et
Source: Washington Post

:huh:

Dan Snyder's Jet gas bill is probably crazy

[Mister J]

ESPNews is reporting it as a done deal.

[Dark Donnie]

Jim Zorn hired as Washington Redskins coach

By JOSEPH WHITE, AP Sports Writer
February 9, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Washington Redskins hired Jim Zorn as their coach Saturday night, a surprise ending to a monthlong search for a replacement for Joe Gibbs, The Associated Press has learned.

Zorn will be introduced at a news conference at 3 p.m. Sunday, according to a person who was informed of the Redskins' decision. The person spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because a formal announcement had not been made.

Zorn, a former Seattle quarterback, has been the Seahawks' quarterbacks coach for the last seven years. The Redskins hired him to be their offensive coordinator on Jan. 26 while continuing their search for a head coach.



Updated on Saturday, Feb 9, 2008 6:42 pm, EST

[BatSpider]

Zorn? What! :cmad:

[Cmill216]

You wouldnt know it by how both Buck and Aikman were polishing Bradys' knob during the Super Bowl....I kept hearing this popping sound every time before Joe Buck said something....like he was taking something out of his mouth

I didn't get that impression or maybe I was just focusing on the game.

Neither did I. But it's pretty easy to praise a three time Super Bowl winner.

On the other hand, Buck and Aikman did nearly every other Cowboy game, and they kissed Tony's booty at a Favre-like rate.

[Jerry!]

Pro Bowl is on. Only one reason to watch though

Ikck0dQaiFI

They better actually kick to him, it's the friggin' Pro Bowl, should be for the fans.

[Alex The Great]

Zorn? What! :cmad:
Just heard...Zorn to take thew HC job. All i have to say is....WHO :huh:



IT"S THE PRO-BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:dry::up:

[BlackLantern]

Just heard...Zorn to take thew HC job. All i have to say is....WHO :huh:



IT"S THE PRO-BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:dry::up:

stings a bit doesnt it Psycho??:woot:

[jaguarr]

Neither did I. But it's pretty easy to praise a three time Super Bowl winner.

On the other hand, Buck and Aikman did nearly every other Cowboy game, and they kissed Tony's booty at a Favre-like rate.

Aikman actually has a clue about what he's talking about when he's on camera, most of the time (except for his deep, damp man-love for Romo and Brady). Unfortunately he brings the excitement and personality of a rotting turnip to the small screen.

jag

[StorminNorman]

I love the Pro Bowl.

And when I say love - I mean "am completely apathetic to"

[Fran]

stings a bit doesnt it Psycho??:woot:

Karma's a b**** :up:

[Bond]

I'm having lots of fun watching the Cowboys vs. the AFC

:oldrazz:

[Alex The Great]

Karma's a b**** :up:
YOUR FACE!!!! :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:


:csad:

[BlackLantern]

YOUR FACE!!!! :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:


:csad:

Psycho...you are welcome to come down to the Meadowlands anytime and visit the Lombardi trophy

[Alex The Great]

Psycho...you are welcome to come down to the Meadowlands anytime and visit the Lombardi trophy
stop rubbing it in :csad: :waa:

[Showtime]

Psycho...you are welcome to come down to the Meadowlands anytime and visit the Lombardi trophy

Luckily he doesn't have to, he can just go to Foxboro and see 3 of them.

[Fran]

You're... defending the kid?

Oh Showtime. :csad:

[Jerry!]

Squib kicks in the Pro Bowl ? :whatever: The fans don't give a **** who wins, they just want some excitement. Just kick it to him.

[Fran]

Calm down, sparky.

[Showtime]

You're... defending the kid?

Oh Showtime. :csad:

No. Just pointing out that 3 is better than 1. :yay:

[Fran]

I'm still saddened.

[Showtime]

I'm still saddened.

Use your sleeve.

[Fran]

I'm not wearing a long-sleeved shirt.

I'm wearing a Tigers shirt and plaid shorts :up:

[Jerry!]

Plaid shorts? You better stay inside.

[Fran]

They're awesome. :up:

Also, it's like 6 degrees here. So I haven't been outside.

[BlackLantern]

No. Just pointing out that 3 is better than 1. :yay:

maybe so....but 18 - 1 is pretty sweet too

[Showtime]

maybe so....but 18 - 1 is pretty sweet too

Only 3 teams in history have ever done it I believe, so yeah, it is pretty sweet. :cwink:

[Alex The Great]

Great Pro-Bowl :whatever::up:


is there any good QB's in this years draft?

[Fran]

Stop b****ing and moaning.

I'm sure if the Pats made it 19-0, you'd be all "AEWSOME PRO-BOWL!!! :woot:"

[Alex The Great]

personally. i don't give a **** about the pro-bowl. i usually don't watch it. lol.

[Fran]

You've never watched it before this year.

[Alex The Great]

just browsing around and checked the score and that was about it. lol.

[Jerry!]

Hester and Witten almost pulled off another Music City Miracle.

[Cmill216]

Heh. This is why I love the Pro Bowl: Garcia to Owens for a first down.

:lmao:

[Cmill216]

Make that Garcia to Owens for a touchdown.

:lmao: x 2

[Showtime]

I can't stand All Star Games in any of the major sports.

[Dark Donnie]

Adrian Peterson-RB-Vikings Feb. 10 - 8:01 pm et

Adrian Peterson was named MVP of the game as the NFC came from behind to throttle the AFC 42-30 in Sunday's Pro Bowl.

So much for the AFC being the stronger conference. Peterson ran for 129 yards and two scores on 16 carries, becoming the first Pro Bowler to rush for 100+ in Honolulu since Marshall Faulk (180 yards) and Chris Warren (127) both did it in 1995. Jeff Garcia also threw a touchdown pass to Terrell Owens, a possible sign that the two have moved past their feud.

:word:

[Erzengel]

No. Just pointing out that 3 is better than 1. :yay:

Giants have 3. :o

[Kelly]

Meh, 3 ain't nothing.....

[Alex The Great]

:word:
good on him! AP is the best rookie i've seen in a while.....

[ScottyBBadd]

Only 3 teams in history have ever done it I believe, so yeah, it is pretty sweet. :cwink:

Except San Fran And Chicago won the Super Bowl.

[Showtime]

Except San Fran And Chicago won the Super Bowl.

This is true, this is why the season is a failure for the Patriots in my opinion. That being said, I will take what I can get as a fan, 3 Super Bowls in 7 years and 4 appearances. I haven't had to root for another team in the post season because my team didn't make the playoffs that often in the 2000's.

[Jerry!]

I would have liked to seen it happen, but then when I think about it, it would have knocked the 85' Bears off as the best single season team.

[Cmill216]

The '85 Bears would break the '72 Dolphins in half.

And then break those halves into halves.

[Fran]

And do a dance about it.

[Jerry!]

I think that if they literally didn't have an offense, if they just like punted every time they got the ball, they would have still got in the playoffs at like 9-7.

[Mister J]

The '85 Bears would break the '72 Dolphins in half.

And then break those halves into halves.
I think a team with Hall of Famers at QB, RB, WR, O-Line and one of the more renowned defenses in league history would put up a better fight than that.

[Jerry!]

I don't know. When they would be going against arguably the best running back of all time, maybe only behind Sayers, along with the best defense of all time with Hall of Famers all over the place, it isn't that big a stretch. The 85' Bears demolished teams. They scored something like 100 points in the playoffs and only allowed 10, which was the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

[Cmill216]

I think a team with Hall of Famers at QB, RB, WR, O-Line and one of the more renowned defenses in league history would put up a better fight than that.

....No, I'm pretty sure they'd get broken in half.

[Mister J]

I'm not knocking the '85 Bears. I just find it hard to believe that they would simply destroy the only team in league history to never lose a game, as if Miami were a group of scrubs.

[Jerry!]

The teams Miami faced had a total winning percentage of something like .390 that season.

[Cmill216]

They weren't a group of scrubs. That goes without saying.

But the '85 Bears were monsters. And when I look at the facts behind the Dolphins undefeated season (an ungodly low .334 opponent win percentage), it's somehow not as impressive as some of the things the Bears did that year.

[Mister J]

The teams Miami faced had a total winning percentage of something like .390 that season.

They weren't a group of scrubs. That goes without saying.

But the '85 Bears were monsters. And when I look at the facts behind the Dolphins undefeated season (an ungodly low .334 opponent win percentage), it's somehow not as impressive as some of the things the Bears did that year.
I don't really get the strength of schedule factor in a discussion about pro teams. If Miami was somehow fraudulent or overrated, it seems that the Browns, Steelers or Redskins (all of whom I'm assuming played 'more impressive' schedules) would have taken them out.

The Bears might have been monsters, but the Dolphins were perfect. I don't see how one superlative is any more applicative than the other.

[Jerry!]

When you get down to comparing the best teams of all time, that does come into consideration. You kind of have to, you start running out of things to compare them by.

[Mister J]

The only time I see it brought up is when the Dolphins are mentioned. When ESPN ranked the Super Bowl teams of the first 40 years, it was the first time I saw it referenced in any kind of universal fashion and, outside of the Dolphins, it hardly seemed determinative. The '98 Broncos had the best opponents' percentage of any Super Bowl winner (.535) and they only ranked 12th.

I don't have a problem with someone thinking the Bears are better. These discussions are hardly ever of one voice. What I'm not getting is where Miami gets whipped like they have no business being on the same field with Chicago.

[Jerry!]

Well when the fact is that the only team that went undefeated also had one of the easiest schedules in all of NFL history ( I think the exact percentage is they had a easier schedule based on opponents winning % over 99% of all other teams from 1950 onward), it's hard not to take that into account. I mean, they went into the Super Bowl as under dogs. And even if you don't want to go with that, the sheer dominance of the Bears was unbelievable. The 72' Dolphins won games, the Bears demoralized teams in games. They were the best team of all time. Every game was a circus.

[Scar Predator]

good on him! AP is the best rookie i've seen in a while.....

Patrick Willis > AP

This is true, this is why the season is a failure for the Patriots in my opinion. That being said, I will take what I can get as a fan, 3 Super Bowls in 7 years and 4 appearances. I haven't had to root for another team in the post season because my team didn't make the playoffs that often in the 2000's.

Things aren't that bad for NE. They have 3 Lombardi Trophies, an additional AFC title and another AFC title appearance. They have all but sealed the Team of the Decade moniker. Take it from a 49er fan-life can be worse..a lot worse....a whole lot worse.:csad:

[Showtime]

Things aren't that bad for NE. They have 3 Lombardi Trophies, an additional AFC title and another AFC title appearance. They have all but sealed the Team of the Decade moniker. Take it from a 49er fan-life can be worse..a lot worse....a whole lot worse.:csad:

Some like it and some don't, but they are the team of this decade, granted there are a couple more years left. That being said their time could also have come and went with the loss against the Giants. All good teams fall like a deck of cards, look what happened with the 49ers. They were so good for so long, they had their time as well.

[Dark Donnie]

Mush Brains got cut

New management: 'Phins dump Green, Booker

The Dolphins released nine players Monday, including Trent Green, Marty Booker, and DT Keith Traylor.

The new sheriffs in town (Bill Parcells and GM Jeff Ireland) aren't wasting any time. Green hopes to play football again, but hasn't received medical clearance. He could resurface in Baltimore or St. Louis as a backup. Booker is still a solid pro; he was just overpaid. Other released 'Phins include T L.J. Shelton, T Anthony Alabi, T Joe Toledo, T Marion Dukes, and DT Marquay Love. Feb. 11 - 3:07 pm et
Source: MiamiDolphins.com

[Genesis 1.0]

To hell with that, we definitely don't need another injury prone quaterback, send him to St. Louis.

[Mister J]

Only the Traylor release comes as a mild surprise. However, he is 38 and Parcells is looking to overhaul the D. Hopefully, Green retires while his motor skills are still intact.

[Dark Donnie]

Only the Traylor release comes as a mild surprise. However, he is 38 and Parcells is looking to overhaul the D. Hopefully, Green retires while his motor skills are still intact.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/060910_greenkansas_hmed_2ph2.jpg

[Jerry!]

Trent Green is a ****ing idiot. I'm glad that d-linemen got pissed off, he should have, and he shouldn't have gotten any flak for it either. Green could have ended his career, he was lucky just to get back up after that low hit that Green gave him, he landed right on the back of his head.

[Fran]

To hell with that, we definitely don't need another injury prone quaterback, send him to St. Louis.

Idiot.

We have one of the best QBs in the game when healthy.

[Dark Donnie]

Another brain issue got cut

Dan Morgan-LB-Panthers Feb. 11 - 4:09 pm et

Panthers released LB Dan Morgan and OG Mike Wahle.

Morgan said all the right things since the season ended, but Carolina didn't need him anymore with Jon Beason entrenched in the middle. If Morgan is healthy enough to pass a physical, he could be a nice addition for a team willing to give him a shot. He's currently recovering from Achilles surgery. Wahle will either be replaced by Geoff Hangartner or Justin Hartwig.
Source: Rock Hill Herald
Related: Mike Wahle


Terrell Suggs-DL-Ravens Feb. 11 - 3:34 pm et

Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome confirmed Monday that Terrell Suggs will be franchise tagged if he's not signed to a long-term deal by February 21.

The 21st is the deadline for free agents to be franchised. Suggs plays end and with his hand up in coordinator Rex Ryan's defense, but the league considers him a linebacker. The tag at that position is worth $8.065 million.
Source: Baltimore Sun

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm gonna miss Dan Morgan. :csad: He was a good player, but was nagged with injuries the past couple seasons.

[Dark Donnie]

I liked him to, but he has had concussion issues for years now. Really sucks cause he was a beast coming out of The U.

[Dark Donnie]

Keyshawn Johnson-WR-Panthers Feb. 11 - 7:56 pm et

Dolphins VP of football operations Bill Parcells has reportedly reached out to current ESPN analyst Keyshawn Johnson.

The Tuna reportedly told Keyshawn that if he unretires, he'll have a spot on the Dolphins' roster. Parcells coached Johnson with the Jets from 1997-99 and later in Dallas from 2004-05. The two worked together at ESPN in 2007.
Source: CBS4 Miami
Related: Dolphins

:lmao:

[NewYorkSpider]

Somebody tell Parcells that Vinny Testeverde is out there as well.

[Alex The Great]

Meshawn going to Miami?


:whatever::up:

[BlackLantern]

Parcells has proven that he is the only person Keyshawn will listen to....and you can see it in Keyshawns eyes...he thinks he still has it.....the spirit may be willing but is the body able?? Miami cleaned house today, do they want to bring in new baggage?

[Jerry!]

god I wish Parcells would just leave for good.

[BlackLantern]

its not like Parcells is coaching....he is making the decisions to give his team/coaching staff the best opportunity to build something decent (decision about keyshawn aside)

[Showtime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD0vARpus-g

mD0vARpus-g

NY POST SONG FOR THE PATS

[Fran]

mD0vARpus-g
:woot:

[Showtime]

mD0vARpus-g
:woot:

Copier!

[Fran]

No!

[Excel]

Keyshawns what they need...old, slow immobile guy with good hands. let brown, ginn and co. get you ass around but if your got 3rd down, keyshawn catches everythang.

[Dark Donnie]

Report: Redskins interested in trade for Chad

"Numerous league sources" tell the Washington Post that the Redskins are interested in trading for Chad Johnson.

Here we go. Two sources say Johnson is "eager" to get a new contract from the Redskins, confirming that Chad's main beef with the Bengals is about money. With a coaching staff almost fully in place, owner Dan Snyder's top priority is known to be acquiring a No. 1 receiver. While the Bengals aren't interested in moving Johnson currently, sources tell the Post that agent Drew Rosenhaus is actively working to broker a deal. It's believed the Bengals would ask for two second-round picks, or a late first and a third. Feb. 11 - 11:28 pm et
Source: Washington Post

:dry:

[Dark Donnie]

Kenechi Udeze-DL-Vikings Feb. 12 - 8:49 am et

Vikings DE Kenechi Udeze has been diagnosed with leukemia, according to multiple local reports in Minnesota.

Leukemia can be a life threatening disease, but also can be very treatable depending on the grade. Udeze was at the Mayo Clinic in New York last week having tests done. The former first-round pick had five sacks in 2007.
Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune


Trent Green-QB-Dolphins Feb. 12 - 8:44 am et

The agent for Trent Green, who was released by the Dolphins on Monday, told the AP that his client may re-sign with the Dolphins.

Dolphins VP of football operations Bill Parcells will meet with the agent shortly, likely about bringing back Green at a reduced rate. The 37-year-old quarterback would've cost Miami $4.1 million in 2008 had he not been cut.

....

[Genesis 1.0]

Idiot.

We have one of the best QBs in the game when healthy.

Look you douche, it doesn't change the fact he's injury prone.

Unless you're going to make the case that he just sits the sidelines for the hell of it.

[Mister J]

Idiots, douches and hurt QBs. Oh my.

[Genesis 1.0]

Idiots, douches and hurt QBs. Oh my.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.:csad:

[Fran]

"Send him to St. Louis" is the comment I didn't like, and it makes no sense at all.

You fail! :cmad:

[Genesis 1.0]

BAH! BAH I say!

Better there than Baltimore.

[Fran]

Send him to a team with no shot, like Oakland.

[Genesis 1.0]

Hell, if the Rams don't find chemistry soon, they really don't have a chance.

How do the Texans sound?

[Fran]

The Ravens went 5-11 this year... yeah...

[Genesis 1.0]

After going 13-3.....yeah.

[Fran]

So? That doesn't matter. That just makes me laugh more at their decline :lmao:

[Kaleb]

Did anyone hear Zorns press conference on sunday when he was introduced as the skins new headcoach? He said he was looking foward to meeting his coaching staff, I find that mildly amusing since Dan sacked them all.

[Raiden]

Did anyone hear Zorns press conference on sunday when he was introduced as the skins new headcoach? He said he was looking foward to meeting his coaching staff, I find that mildly amusing since Dan sacked them all.

Zorn also got the colors of 'Skins wrong. Not sure what it means, but it can't be a good sign.

[Genesis 1.0]

So? That doesn't matter. That just makes me laugh more at their decline :lmao:

Doesn't matter to you.:o

We're a good team, we just need a reliable QB and then it's back to the Super Bowl.:indy:

[animefan]

Doesn't matter to you.:o

We're a good team, we just need a reliable QB and then it's back to the Super Bowl.:indy:

alot of teams need that one special guy to fill in a position, truth is either your team has what it takes or not, even if baltimore had a reliable qb i still dont think they would have what it takes.

[Dark Donnie]

Alan Faneca-G-Steelers Feb. 12 - 7:36 pm et

The Bears have reportedly been "doing their homework" on free agent to be Alan Faneca.

Chicago has a need at guard and would preferably use Terrence Metcalf, who took over for Ruben Brown late in 2007, as a sixth lineman. Brown is about as certain to depart the Bears as Faneca is to leave the Steel City.
Source: Chicago Sun Times
Related: Bears

...

[animefan]

i much rather see him in kansas city, the chiefs need all the OL help they can get.

[Alex The Great]

....
cut 'n' sign. lol.
just draft a good B in da first round and pray he's good for a starter right away.....thye DO have the numero uno pick.....but oh well.....

[Jerry!]

The Bears desperately need o-line help. I don't know too much about the guy, but he has got to be better than some of the ancient players that were starting last season.

[bored]

i much rather see him in kansas city, the chiefs need all the OL help they can get.

YES.

[M.O.Steel]

Zorn also got the colors of 'Skins wrong. Not sure what it means, but it can't be a good sign.

Someone was telling me this, and i didn't believe him. So what's the story?

[Tangled Web]

I don't know if there are anything Vikings fans here but Kenechi Udeze has come down with a form Leukemia. I haven't followed his pro career but he was a stellar college player. Keep him in your thoughts and prayers.

[Tangled Web]

Someone was telling me this, and i didn't believe him. So what's the story?

He said something about wanting to see the fans in maroon, yellow and black. Their colors are like burgundy and gold. :eek:

[Showtime]

:Failed:

[Dark Donnie]

...
Brady Quinn-QB-Browns Feb. 13 - 10:21 am et

Police were called to break up an altercation involving Brady Quinn on New Year's Day.

Quinn was allegedly part of a group of men provoking gay passers-by with insults outside of a Columbus bar. The altercation never escalated above the verbal stage, and Quinn appeared cooperative once police arrived.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

[Showtime]

He is tarnishing the name of Brady!

[Dark Donnie]

...

Jags make Jones NFL's highest paid fullback

Jaguars re-signed FB/RB Greg Jones to a five-year, $17.4 million contract. The deal includes a $2.5 million signing bonus.

Jones never emerged as a vulture last season, but he did get some short-yardage work. He appeared to struggle in his first season back from a second ACL surgery, but Jacksonville did well to keep him off the open market. Jones will only be 27 this year, can lead block, and may still develop a bigger offensive role once Fred Taylor retires. Feb. 13 - 11:43 am et
Source: Profootballtalk.com

[Dark Donnie]

Kellen Winslow-TE-Browns Feb. 13 - 12:38 pm et

The Cleveland Plain Dealer speculates that Kellen Winslow's desire for a new contract stems from suspicion his career will end early due to repeated knee surgeries.

Winslow's production has fallen off in December of the past two seasons. We've heard in other places belief that Winslow's 24-year-old body is more like that of a veteran well into his career. If so, the Browns shouldn't feel compelled to give him more than a reasonable amount of money up front.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

That sucks

[Kaleb]

Ravens coach John Harbough interview

OWINGS MILLS -- Seated in the lobby of the Baltimore Ravens’ training complex with a large painting of former majority owner Art Modell above him, new coach John Harbaugh rarely stopped smiling Tuesday night.

Hours after completing his coaching staff with five more assistants hired for a total of 19, including six holdovers that worked for former coach Brian Billick, Harbaugh held a wide-ranging interview with The Carroll County Times and The Baltimore Sun.

No, he didn’t declare a starting quarterback between four-time Pro Bowl quarterback Steve McNair, who’s recovering from surgery to his non-throwing shoulder, backup Kyle Boller or former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith.

Here are some excerpts from Harbaugh's most extensive talk with reporters since being announced Jan. 19 as Billick's replacement:

Have you decided on a quarterback?

Harbaugh: “How can you? We’re not there yet. To me, personnel situations are like playing a round of golf. You have to play the shots that are presented to you. Sometimes you got a 60-foot putt and sometimes you got a tap-in. That position right now is probably not a tap-in.
“We've got to figure that one out. It’s going to be competitive, and it’s going to determine whichever guy gives us the best chance to play. Maybe it’s someone in the draft or someone on another team. That has yet to be determined. All three of those guys will tell you the same thing. That’s the way they expect it to be. That’s the way they want it to be. And I think all three of those guys want to compete for that job.”

[/b]How is Steve McNair’s health?[/b]
Harbaugh: “I think he’s going to be healthy, there’s no question. He’s well on his way to being right. He’s already been in here for two straight weeks doing rehab and training. He might be in the best shape he’s ever been in at this stage of an offseason. He’s committed to the offseason program. He’s already committed to being here for all of the offseason football schools. He’s motivated.”

What’s your reaction to the rumors surrounding the Ravens and Donovan McNabb?

Harbaugh: “Obviously, there’s no contact with Donovan. I have tremendous respect for Donovan McNabb. There’s no question in my mind that Donovan McNabb has plenty of good years left in the NFL. I think next year he will be better than he was last year because he’s two years away from that ACL. I think any team would love to have Donovan as their quarterback. Donovan quarterbacks the Philadelphia Eagles, and that’s where it stands.”

What’s your take on whether offensive tackle Jonathan Ogden will retire?

Harbaugh: "I think he's right on the fence. The times we've talked, he's torn. He's just trying to figure out what he's going to do and I think he's just going to take his time and approach it in a very methodical way and do what's best for him in his life."

What’s your initial impression of the team?

Harbaugh: The thing that’s been striking is the players have been coming in, and we’ve had anywhere between half-hour and two-hour interviews with different players. We probably have about 60 percent of the team talked to right now. Cam Cameron and I were laughing about this that it’s almost like these guys have a script. We were joking about who has been telling these guys what to say because all the things they have been saying are all the things we want to hear.

“They’re talking about practicing hard and guys caring about one another and paying attention to detail. It’s like these guys already have that foundation. Ozzie Newsome has done an unbelievable job of bringing in guys that fit that Raven model. To me, that’s why it has a chance to be a good football team.”

What personal imprints have you made on the locker room and weight room?

Harbaugh: “We fixed the locker room. Most NFL locker rooms are organized by position. What we did was we basically rolled the dice and just kind of shook everybody up in a bottle and threw it out there. We mixed all the lockers around. We just figured we wanted to have a tangible expression going forward of the picture of our football team. So, Kelly Gregg, I think, is next to Ed Reed.

“Offensive linemen are like a herd. They go everywhere together. They don't need to be next to each other in the locker room, too. So, we even got the defensive backs with the offensive linemen and the linebackers and quarterbacks mixed around. Let's get to know some other guys. Let's find about each other. Let's get to know each other so we can say, ‘I know this guy. This guy is my brother. I care about this guy. I got this guy's back. I'm going to take care of this guy.’”

"I think we're going to run a college strength and conditioning program with an NFL cutting edge science. The weight room is going to be high energy. It's going to be power. Chalk is going to be flying. Weights are going to be clanging. Guys are going to be working.”

What’s your personal approach to practice?

Harbaugh: “I'll be in every drill. I'll be walking around. I'm going to probably be chasing offensive linemen down the field and kickoff teams and defensive backs. As a head coach, my personality is probably going to be coaching everybody on the style we want to have. Which is fun. If you can do that as a coach, that's like the ultimate fun. I'm going to have fun out there. That's a rule. You don't get this opportunity and not have fun, right?"

Will the players enjoy it?


Harbaugh: “Yeah, sure. So long as I don't trip anybody up out there."

How does your philosophy mesh with what Steve Bisciotti wants?

“Steve had a meeting with our coaches last night for at least two hours. It was unbelievable. It was dynamite. Our guys were walking around that room saying ‘Wow.’ He laid a whole foundation for our program, how he sees his management style and how he sees the organization operating. Basically, I think that’s why I’m getting this opportunity. The things I was already talking about are the things that he happened to believe in and our philosophies meshed. He should have been a ball coach.

“The basis is relational motivation, taking care of one another, having each others’ back. That basic team concept is what he’s talking. It’s not really a hierarchy so much as guys pushing each other and raising each other up. The old saying is rising tide raises all ships. To me, that’s the way it should be done. And when you have permission from the organization to do it that way, you have a chance to be successful.”



new coaching staff

Head Coach: John Harbaugh
Offense
Offensive Coordinator: Cam Cameron
Quarterbacks Coach: Hue Jackson
Running Backs Coach: Wilbert Montgomery
Wide Recievers Coach: Jim Hostler
Tight Ends Coach: Wade Harman
Offensive Line Coach: John Matsko
Asst. Offensive Line Coach: Andy Moeller
Offensive Quality Control: Craig Ver Steeg

Defense
Defensive Coordinator: Rex Ryan
Defensive Line Coach: Clarence Brooks
Linebackers Coach: Greg Mattison
Outside Linebackers: Coach: Mike Petine
Defesive Backs Coach: Mark Carrier, Chuck Pagano


source : ravensinsider.com

[Fran]

Interesting.

[Dark Donnie]

Harbaugh is a damn good coach, sad to see him go.

[Cmill216]

He should've answered every question with "Kyle Boller".

[Genesis 1.0]

alot of teams need that one special guy to fill in a position, truth is either your team has what it takes or not, even if baltimore had a reliable qb i still dont think they would have what it takes.

Good deal, I'll let you know when I start caring what you think.:o

Harbaugh seems to be putting the pieces back together, I'm looking forward to this season.

[Immortalfire]

He should've answered every question with "Kyle Boller".

For real.

[Dark Donnie]

...
Chris Long-DL-Player Feb. 13 - 7:17 pm et

NFL Network's Adam Schefter and NBC's Peter King say they're "hearing" the Dolphins are interested in Virginia DE Chris Long.

The Patriots are also intrigued with Long, who played in a 3-4 under Parcells disciple Al Groh. Long's dimensions (6'4/278) aren't ideal for an NFL 3-4 end, so he's likely being looked at as an OLB/DE hybrid. His play is so relentless that it's hard to imagine Long having trouble in any scheme.
Related: Dolphins, Patriots

[Metropolis_Man]

There have been some rumors around here on the local radio stations of Chad Johnson wanting to play with Carolina. I didn't know if this had been out publicly yet.

[Dark Donnie]

There have been some rumors around here on the local radio stations of Chad Johnson wanting to play with Carolina. I didn't know if this had been out publicly yet.

Chad Johnson-WR- Bengals Feb. 13 - 4:59 pm et


Coach Marvin Lewis reiterated Wednesday that the Bengals will not trade Chad Johnson and haven't even discussed the possibility.

"No. 1, the guy has a contract through 2011, OK," Lewis said. "Our player (Johnson), we know is very passionate about the game. He continues to play at a very, very high level. He has been very, very productive. He has been well-compensated. We've had a great relationship. That’s not going to change."
Source: Cincinnati Enquirer
Related: Dolphins, Raiders, Redskins

He named like 6 teams he wanted to go to, it doesn't look likely to happen though.

[Metropolis_Man]

Thanks for the update Darko. I knew he was tossing around teams and names of players he'd like to be on the field with. I just don't think he'd help Carolina out. What they need is a healthy quarterback. I like Delhomme, and I feel confident that they could be the top of the NFC South the coming year. (which is not saying much) Lets find another back up besides Carr though.

[Dark Donnie]

Thanks for the update Darko. I knew he was tossing around teams and names of players he'd like to be on the field with. I just don't think he'd help Carolina out. What they need is a healthy quarterback. I like Delhomme, and I feel confident that they could be the top of the NFC South the coming year. (which is not saying much) Lets find another back up besides Carr though.

Carolina could be a playoff team every year, health seems like a big issue with that team.

[Metropolis_Man]

Carolina could be a playoff team every year, health seems like a big issue with that team.

I agree. I hate to see Morgan go, but he really did nothing but stay hurt during his time at Carolina. I'm not sure what happened to Deshaun Foster, Smith, and Peppers this past year. It was horrible. I think Beason has good potential though.

[Excel]

Willis McGeehee #1 Fantasy Back next season :up: :up:
Maroney #2, Reggie #3, LT #4 and Ronnie Brown #5

[Dark Donnie]

Willis McGeehee #1 Fantasy Back next season :up: :up:
Maroney #2, Reggie #3, LT #4 and Ronnie Brown #5

Where's Westbrook? He had better season's then all of them:huh: McGahee will never be the top back, same with Reggie Bush. Baltimore's line stinks.

[Dark Donnie]

I agree. I hate to see Morgan go, but he really did nothing but stay hurt during his time at Carolina. I'm not sure what happened to Deshaun Foster, Smith, and Peppers this past year. It was horrible. I think Beason has good potential though.

Morgan had some bad concussion issues, I thought he was going to be a beast out of college. Beason looks to be the real deal, I really wanted the Eagles to get him in the draft. That run game is all over the place....one week Foster, the next Williams...Delhomme getting hurt last year definately didn't help the Panthers last year.

[Fran]

1. Maroney
2. LT
3. Ronnie Brown
4. Steven Jackson
5. McGahee

[Jerry!]

Reggie Bush has a better future as a receiver.

[Excel]

Where's Westbrook? He had better season's then all of them:huh:

He getting old, but more importantly they'll add a reciver thus less carries and a lot less passes. Give Maroney as many carries and catche and hed be an MVP.

McGahee will never be the top back

Cam Camerons his cordinator. He made Ronnie Brown go from garbage to #1 while he was playing last season, hell do it with him too

same with Reggie Bush

Psh. Next season is his time; after such a dissappointing year nobody will zero in on him like they have. He'll come back bigger and stronger, and now hungrier than ever before.

[Excel]

1. Maroney
2. LT
3. Ronnie Brown
4. Steven Jackson
5. McGahee

I can live with that :up:

[Dark Donnie]

He getting old, but more importantly they'll add a reciver thus less carries and a lot less passes. Give Maroney as many carries and catche and hed be an MVP.
.
He's not really that old, plus he's been getting better each year. A WR would only help.


Cam Camerons his cordinator. He made Ronnie Brown go from garbage to #1 while he was playing last season, hell do it with him too.
Ronnie Brown garbage? He was like the 2-3 pick i the draft.


Psh. Next season is his time; after such a dissappointing year nobody will zero in on him like they have. He'll come back bigger and stronger, and now hungrier than ever before.
He's been dissapointing his whole career so far. as stated put him at WR.

1. Maroney
2. LT
3. Ronnie Brown
4. Steven Jackson
5. McGahee

What is with this Maroney love:cmad:

[NewYorkSpider]

There have been some rumors around here on the local radio stations of Chad Johnson wanting to play with Carolina. I didn't know if this had been out publicly yet.

If it's true, it makes sense. He and Steve Smith were teammates at Santa Monica College.

[Excel]

He's not really that old, plus he's been getting better each year. A WR would only help.

It would take away a good 4-5 touches a game from him, or about 20-30 total yards.


Ronnie Brown garbage? He was like the 2-3 pick i the draft.

2005 (15 games)
RUSHING: 60 ypg, 4.4 per carry, 4 T.D.
RECIEVING: 15.5 ypg, 7.3 per catch, 1 T.D.

2006: (13 games)
RUSHING: 77 ypg, 4.2 per carry, 5 T.D.
RECIEVING: 21 ypg, 8.4 per catch, 0 T.D.

Now look at the improvement...

2007: (6 games)
RUSHING: 87 ypg, 5.1 per carry, 4 T.D.
RECIEVING: 56 ypg, 10 per catch, 1 T.D.


He's been dissapointing his whole career so far. as stated put him at WR.


Psh, he'll find himself. No worries.


What is with this Maroney love:cmad:

Thats what happened when you average 29 yards a catch, and when you 110 yards, 5.3 a carry and a touchdown a game when you actually get the ball. Next seaons games will look at more like the last few of this season and first 2 Pats playoff games.

[Fran]

Ronnie Brown was having a great year until he hurt his leg. I was about to own the fantasy league :csad:

[Excel]

Woulda easily eclipsed 2,000 total yards and 15 total touchdowns. But with Cameron gone I dont see him being AS good. Hell be good, but now "5.2 a carry-10 yards a catch on 18 carries and 5 catches a game" good.

[Dark Donnie]

Ronnie Brown shared carries with Rickey Williams two years, that's why his #'s are lower....Willis will not become lights out over night. Ronnie Brown is a better back then him and ran behind a better line.

[Dark Donnie]

It would take away a good 4-5 touches a game from him, or about 20-30 total yards.


2004 with T.O.
177 Attempts 812Yrds Rush 3TDs 73 Catches 703Yrds Rec 6 TDs

In only 13 games

[Excel]

Williams didnt play in 2006.

[Excel]

2004 with T.O.
177 Attempts 812Yrds Rush 3TDs 73 Catches 703Yrds Rec 6 TDs

In only 13 games

But they ONLY had T.O. Next year theyll have Curtis along with whomever else they have, 2 legit good reciever.

[Dark Donnie]

Williams didnt play in 2006.

:huh: I said 2 years ago (2 Seasons)

[Dark Donnie]

...
Specter: Belichick's been spying since 2000

Senator Arlen Specter told the AP Wednesday that commissioner Roger Goodell informed him Bill Belichick has been illegally spying since 2000.

That's when Belichick took over as Patriots coach. Per Specter, Goodell said Belichick claims he believed videotaping of other teams was legal. It's still unclear what Belichick taped and which games were affected. Feb. 13 - 9:01 pm et

[Excel]

:huh: I said 2 years ago (2 Seasons)

"Ronnie Brown shared carries with Rickey Williams two years, that's why his #'s are lower"

I thought you meant FOR 2 years.

[Dark Donnie]

Sorry, worded it wrong, I meant 2 seasons ago.

[bored]

Depending on if the Chiefs do the smart thing and draft a good O-lineman in the first round, I would say don't count Larry Johnson out as a top back just yet.

[NewYorkSpider]

If he isn't taken, Jake Long would be perfect for them.

[Dark Donnie]

Josh Booty-QB-Raiders Feb. 13 - 9:10 pm et

Free agent QB Josh Booty was reportedly arrested early Wednesday on DUI charges. He had to be tased in jail, fell, and needed his head stitched up.

This should finish him off in the NFL. Booty had a cup of coffee with the QB-starved Raiders last spring, but didn't make it to training camp. His brother John David, a 2008 draft hopeful, will likely have a more memorable career.
Source: AOL Sports

:doom:

[Erzengel]

Heh. I figured they did but I just saw the "alternate" video if the Pats won.

So I guess the 72 Dolphins aren't as petty as most people think.

EaeF_mj8_sY

The Giants one.
t0T0mWR9fys

I like the latter one better. :)

[Showtime]

Bengals just announced they will not trade Chad Johnson.

[Venom'sDad]

Bengals just announced they will not trade Chad Johnson.


... and MIA release Zack Thomas.... sorry Mister J. :(

[Mister J]

Whoa! :eek:

Zack's been dinged up, but I didn't see this coming. It'll be weird not having him on the field ...or the IR. :(

[E. Nygma]

... and MIA release Zack Thomas.... sorry Mister J. :(

Gives us 47 million in cap room

Loses us a great player, a great leader, a great piece to the organization. I am REALLY sad to see him go. But with his injuries over the last several years, as good as he's been when healthy, it's probably time.

Besides, Zach never really fit a system well, he's a tackling machine who is perhaps too small and now too old to be a Bill Parcells player.

ZACH FOR THE HOF!

[Venom'sDad]

Gives us 47 million in cap room

Loses us a great player, a great leader, a great piece to the organization. I am REALLY sad to see him go. But with his injuries over the last several years, as good as he's been when healthy, it's probably time.

Besides, Zach never really fit a system well, he's a tackling machine who is perhaps too small and now too old to be a Bill Parcells player.

ZACH FOR THE HOF!

You know, you are absolutely right. :up:

[Dark Donnie]

Michael Vick-QB-Falcons Feb. 14 - 3:59 pm et

The NFL is asking federal court to reverse a judge's ruling that allowed Michael Vick to keep $16.5 million in bonus money from the Falcons.

The NFL also to wants to "disqualify" the judge who ruled in Vick's favor, saying his public comments shows he is biased against them. Vick only had to return $3.5 million of his $20 million in bonus money.

[Mister J]

I hope the NFL wins this one. :lmao:

[Kaleb]

my runningback rankings for next season

1. L.T ( untill he shows a huge drop in production, he will remain no 1)
2.Steven Jackson : ( I think he will bounce back this season ,esp under Al Saunders offense)
3.Adrian '' All Day'' Peterson : ( the rookie sensation who averaged 5.6 carries a game will get more comfortable to the nfl in his second season oh and having Matt Birk helps alot as well.
4. Willie Parker : ( proved that He could carry the whole load last season, but need to work on his goal line carries ( only 2 tds last season)
5.Willis McGahee : ( Ran for 1202yards behind a 'o called poor oline , this was with Jonothan Odgen playing only 2 games last season. The offensive line is very atheletic, young ( avg age 25) and now cam cameron calling the plays Willis only gets better oh and did I mention that the oline co ordinator is John Matsko who was responsible for the chiefs offensive line when Larry Johnson got the record for the most carries and before that he was the Rams offensive line coach back when Marshall Faulk was God. so having all this in place I expect a very good yr for Willis

[StorminNorman]

Derrick McFadden WILL be an elite RB next year.

[Fran]

I didn't know Darren McFadden had a brother :o

[Kaleb]

depending on the team that drafts him, I can see him beein an elite runningback with the raiders.

[Kaleb]

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2008/02/13/johnsonx.jpg lol

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2008/01/chadjohnson.jpg

[Bond]

^ ?

[Excel]

Derrick McFadden WILL be an elite RB next year.

Hell no, McFaddens stock is plummeting. Both Medenhall and Stewart are expected to be taken over him, and they will both have better seasons than him assuming all 3 start.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=199100

McFadden will have the same problem as Reggie Bush has-he'll be so zeroed in on and focused on by defenses that hell never get into the open field to show his skills, and he wont be able to shake tacklers, which is the main reason AD has been so successful.

If he can gain a good 20 lbs of muscle by camp well talk, but until then....no way.

Guy I like too is Chris Johnson...kids runs a 4.19 :eek:

[LegendaryCaleb]

Derrick McFadden WILL be an elite RB next year.
i dont think so his first year...but i think eventually he will be elite

[Dark Donnie]

Excel I don't think there is any chance Mendenhall or Stewart get taken. None.

Also 40 times aren't that important. Emmitt Smith is the all time leading rusher and im willing to bet his 40 is horrible.

Lawyer Milloy-DB-Falcons Feb. 14 - 6:28 pm et

The Falcons could release as many as 12 players on Friday, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

S Lawyer Milloy seems likely to go. LB Keith Brooking, QB Byron Leftwich, WR Joe Horn, and RB Warrick Dunn are other big names on the chopping block.
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution


Dansby got Franchised by Arizona :(

[Excel]

Special Teams, wide reciever. If you can sprint a 4.19, youll get open.

[Alex The Great]

smooth move miami. release a great pro-bowl player....:whatever::up:


sure it gives cap room but still....they could of at LEAST traded him for a player or two....oh well....I bet he comes to new england :o:up:

[Dark Donnie]

Special Teams, wide reciever. If you can sprint a 4.19, youll get open.

Im talking about RB's like you were.


Why does no one have Westbrook in there top 5? He is a certainty to be there.

[BlackLantern]

smooth move miami. release a great pro-bowl player....:whatever::up:


sure it gives cap room but still....they could of at LEAST traded him for a player or two....oh well....I bet he comes to new england :o:up:

If you want to rebuild, you have to go all the way...no exceptions. and why New England? so he can help them lose another Super Bowl??

[Fran]

Again, this is Psycho Symbiote we're talking about... he doesn't know jack about managing an NFL team.