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Double Down

10-20-2008, 01:40 PM

From Peter King:

"I am so grounded in the thinking that higher payrolls don't win Super Bowls. I've never experienced success throwing money at players. I never see myself Steinbrenner].''
-- Dallas owner Jerry Jones, at the NFL Meetings in Palm Beach, Fla., last March.
"Welcome to the Yankees.''
-- Dallas Morning News Cowboys beat writer Calvin Watkins, to fledgling Cowboy beat writer Brian Davis, last Tuesday in the middle of the Pacman/Roy Williams mayhem.
How does Dallas trading for and signing wideout Roy Williams transition, six-degrees-of-separation style, into a lockout of the players by the owners in 2011? It may not, but I'm here to tell you the danger of a job action hangs over the league and is beginning to influence many business decisions the owners and player agents are making, and this Williams deal is a big example.
I said a few months ago I'm not going to write about labor much in advance of the ugly times that are coming, and I won't. Give me a few paragraphs here, and then we'll get on to football. You'll recall that the NFL will play with a salary cap in 2009 and then, if there is not a new labor deal negotiated by the end of that season, the league will have no salary cap in 2010. That could well morph into a lockout in 2011 because the players are on record as saying once they experience life with no salary cap, they're not going to back to a system with one. And the owners, I feel sure, would rather not play than agree to a cap-less collective bargaining agreement. Thus the chance of a lockout.
Well, receiver Roy Williams signed a six-year, $54-million extension with the Cowboys on Saturday night, before playing in his first debacle -- er, game -- with Dallas at St. Louis on Sunday. The key to the deal for Dallas was making the Williams' cap number palatable this year and next, when there will be a cap, but not worrying much about 2010 and beyond. The key for Williams' agent, Ben Dogra, was to get as much money as he could by the end of 2010. And in salary and bonuses, Dogra succeeded; Williams will earn $27 million by the end of the 2010 season. When Dogra met Williams to explain the deal Saturday night, he told him, "You're going to earn $27 million before a lockout, if a lockout happens.''
Williams' deal ratchets up the Cowboys' 2010 current cap obligations, with 33 player contracts signed, to $138.8 million, which is $27 million more than any other team in football -- and that doesn't include the monster contract due premium pass-rusher DeMarcus Ware early in 2009; he could become the highest-paid defensive player in football. "Looks like Jerry's pretty sure there won't be a cap in 2010,'' one capologist for another NFL team said Friday. Surely some of his contracted players (Zach Thomas and Terrell Owens, for two) may not be around then, but it's still by far the most onerous cap situation in 2010. (The rival Giants, for instance, have 29 players under contract for 2010, for a total of $70 million.) Add to all of this the fact that the players, after the death of Gene Upshaw in August, won't have a labor leader to begin negotiations until sometime next year, and what we have here is a league on a fast track to a capless 2010. And trouble.
I talked to Jones about the Williams trade Friday, and when I floated my theory, he clammed up because the owners can't say anything, per league edict, about any part of the strategy over negotiations for a new CBA. "You can say it,'' he said. "I can't.'' Over the weekend, I asked a confidant of many of the owners, sports management consultant Marc Ganis of Chicago-based SportsCorp Ltd., what he thought.
"The owners have hope," he said, "but not an expectation that the players recognize the landscape in the NFL has changed, and a lot of teams are in major debt, and that the world economy has changed. But by and large, the owners think the players won't recognize the economic conditions have changed. There is unanimity among the owners not to break the union, or not to go to war. But the issue is, as it has been, whether expenses [like new stadiums] get calculated before the pie is split. The owners will be solid on that.'' Ganis also said, "The owners will never agree to a new CBA without a cap.''

:csad::csad::csad:

NewYorkSpider

10-20-2008, 04:02 PM

My Monday night prediction.

Denver - 30
New England - 10

Zephyr Alexian

10-20-2008, 04:31 PM

I give NE's defense more credit than that. 27-13.:o:D

Addendum

10-20-2008, 04:36 PM

Comeback Player of the Year is far more likely.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/patroto/ortonmontage.jpg

Nothing wrong with a grown man having some drinks

Kaleb

10-20-2008, 04:39 PM

Pats have placed Maroney on injury reserve, ending his season.

Alex The Great

10-20-2008, 05:32 PM

Excel is now on suicide watch.

P.S Is Seneca Wallace going to to start next week or will Hasselback be back? I need to know for Fantasy football reasons.

BlackLantern

10-20-2008, 05:33 PM

I was under the impression that Hasselbeck was done for the year

Alex The Great

10-20-2008, 05:34 PM

He is?

BlackLantern

10-20-2008, 05:38 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3654269

Nolan might be rollin'....to the unemployment line

Kaleb

10-20-2008, 06:00 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3654269

Nolan might be rollin'....to the unemployment line

I love the idea of Singletary as an interm coach, he should have gotten his chance looong ago.

Kaleb

10-20-2008, 06:02 PM

Excel is now on suicide watch.

P.S Is Seneca Wallace going to to start next week or will Hasselback be back? I need to know for Fantasy football reasons.

Hasselback is questionable for next week, which basically means that Wallace starts again.

Alex The Great

10-20-2008, 06:04 PM

Cool

FaT_tONle

10-20-2008, 06:42 PM

There's really no excuse for Jets to lose to Raiders. None whatsoever. Even though they were 4-12 last year, the Jets have had a big FA offseason and even acquired Favre as their QB, and to lose to Raiders, who has more turmoils and dramas than any team this season besides Cowboys is inexcusable. Jets are heading toward 8-8 or 7-9 this season, and imo if they don't make the playoff then Mangini should be replaced as the HC. He has had 3 years to build the team up as a contender, and if he can't do it this year then he should be fired.

Btw, any team that loses to Rams can be qualified as hitting rock bottom.

Season has been tough to figure... I don't get the Cowboys. Maybe their heads are just not into it. But it is only October... that said... they don't get a split between the Bucs/Giants they are pretty much done. Wade will probably be fired at the bye if that's the case.

Jets... are the Jets... they always lose one of these games early in the year. Need to be patient with Farve. They'll come around eventually... just one of those games that gets the better of you. Luckily for them the Colts/Jags/Chargers/Pats stink... so the wild care is open... they can even get back into the division if they beat the Chiefs and Bills.

BlackLantern

10-20-2008, 06:48 PM

I don't get why some Jets fans are slitting their wrists already...Favre spent 16 years with an offensive system tailored around him....now he has to work in Manginis system....no matter how good you are, it takes time to adjust to that

Kaleb

10-20-2008, 07:07 PM

Mike Nolan is fired and Mike Singletary is now the new head coach for the niners.

Dr. Evil

10-20-2008, 07:08 PM

Nolan has been fired:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8700048/49ers-make-Nolan-latest-coaching-casualty

Mister J

10-20-2008, 07:09 PM

I'm glad Singletary is getting a shot. His name has been bandied about for a few HC openings in recent memory.

Kaleb

10-20-2008, 07:13 PM

I'm glad Singletary is getting a shot. His name has been bandied about for a few HC openings in recent memory.

I agree, its about damn time he got his shot,however i feel sorry for him, considering the qb he as to work with, I hope front office see's past this end of the season.

Showtime

10-20-2008, 07:17 PM

Pats have placed Maroney on injury reserve, ending his season.

He's been on injured reserve in his mind for the past couple years.

Dr. Evil

10-20-2008, 07:18 PM

I don't know how good of a head coach Singletary is going to be.

Kaleb

10-20-2008, 07:31 PM

He's been on injured reserve in his mind for the past couple years.

oh snap.

Kaleb

10-20-2008, 07:32 PM

I don't know how good of a head coach Singletary is going to be.

He is going to be a very good headcoach, I have no doubt about that.

Mister J

10-20-2008, 07:33 PM

I agree, its about damn time he got his shot,however i feel sorry for him, considering the qb he as to work with, I hope front office see's past this end of the season.
Yeah, there's not a lot to work with. I'd like to think he can get the players to rally though ...for whatever that's worth.

He's been on injured reserve in his mind for the past couple years.
But he's a beast ...and he's nasty. He's a nasty beast. [/Deja Vu]

FaT_tONle

10-20-2008, 07:36 PM

Nolan has been fired:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8700048/49ers-make-Nolan-latest-coaching-casualty

I just have a side comment that sort of sums up this Nolan era...

Can someone explain to me... how JT O'Sullivan... JT O'freakingSullivan... is the starting quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers... I mean that is remarkable... you go from Joe Montana... to Steve Young... to Jeff Garcia... to JT O' Sullivan... just can't make this stuff up. Hopefully they find their Tony Romo in the next five years because I don't see them drafting a QB very high after the Alex Smith debacle.

The Game

10-20-2008, 07:41 PM

Pats have placed Maroney on injury reserve, ending his season.

but he's teh beast :hehe:

LostSon88

10-20-2008, 07:41 PM

Nolan has been fired:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8700048/49ers-make-Nolan-latest-coaching-casualty

As a member of the 49er faithful I gotta admit, it was time.

I've been a fan of Nolan and tried my best to support em' the past 3 1/2 seasons, but seriously, ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH.

He was always very good at talking the talk but never could walk the walk. :csad:

Personally, if it were me, I would've bumped up Mike Martz to interim HC but at the same time, I really think its time to give Coach Singletary his long overdue shot at being the top dog.

Here's hopin'

The Game

10-20-2008, 07:42 PM

Wait Cutler may be out.....................we have a chance, yay

Kaleb

10-20-2008, 07:54 PM

Double Down

10-20-2008, 08:14 PM

At the time, I was stunned that they took Smith over Rodgers. When Rodgers fell, I thought, "Well, they know what they are doing."

LostSon88

10-20-2008, 08:24 PM

I don't think it would've made a difference, i'm pretty sure we'd have f'ed up Rodgers career as well...

Showtime

10-20-2008, 08:25 PM

Yeah, there's not a lot to work with. I'd like to think he can get the players to rally though ...for whatever that's worth.

But he's a beast ...and he's nasty. He's a nasty beast. [/Deja Vu]

but he's teh beast :hehe:

thats Chad Jackson your thinking of , lol.

I think Maroney is waiting to be "unleashed" and Jackson is a "beast".

The combination of Cassel holding the ball too long and the Patriots offensive line doing their best impression of statues is killing the Patriots offense, or whatever offense they do have. However, the Broncos just keep handing the Patriots chances; fumbles and penalties.

The Game

10-20-2008, 08:27 PM

I think Maroney is waiting to be "unleashed" and Jackson is a "beast".

The combination of Cassel holding the ball too long and the Patriots offensive line doing their best impression of statues is killing the Patriots offense, or whatever offense they do have. However, the Broncos just keep handing the Patriots chances; fumbles and penalties.

Pats must take advantage of this, because I don't see this trend lasting long

Double Down

10-20-2008, 08:28 PM

I need Matt Prater to get 8 points. Hall is freaking killing me.

The Game

10-20-2008, 08:36 PM

At last.....Sammy Morris is about to make a lot of fantasy rosters.

Metropolis_Man

10-20-2008, 08:38 PM

I think New England is thinking of bringing Testaverde back in for a few games.

Metropolis_Man

10-20-2008, 08:40 PM

At last.....Sammy Morris is about to make a lot of fantasy rosters.

He is on fire tonight. Glad to see the Pats bouncing back after last weeks loss against San Diego. Chargers remind me a lot of the Saints though, one week they are on and playing some of their best games, next week, terrible, can't get a break.

Showtime

10-20-2008, 08:42 PM

Pats must take advantage of this, because I don't see this trend lasting long

They finally did, but this game is far from over.

I think New England is thinking of bringing Testaverde back in for a few games.

Yeah, he is going to pick out Belichick's sweatshirts for him.

Showtime

10-20-2008, 08:44 PM

He is on fire tonight. Glad to see the Pats bouncing back after last weeks loss against San Diego. Chargers remind me a lot of the Saints though, one week they are on and playing some of their best games, next week, terrible, can't get a break.

It would be a huge win for them. IF they can pull it off.

Metropolis_Man

10-20-2008, 08:46 PM

It would be a huge win for them. IF they can pull it off.

Yes it would. Buffalo is slowly pulling away from everyone. Pats need some wins to stay in this. Keep Morris healthy and you have a chance.

Cutler just intercepted. Very nice.

The Game

10-20-2008, 08:46 PM

Huh, B-ware is actually catching balls.........now this is just strange

BlackLantern

10-20-2008, 08:47 PM

I grabbed Morris for my fantasy team back in week 3...as for Singletary, I hope he does well....I'd be afraid of not listening to him, he might hurt me

Mister J

10-20-2008, 08:49 PM

Big man, that Patriot LB is. Just rearing to go, waiting for the QB to get up so he can 'block' him. :dry:

Also, I'll take Dumbass Penalties on 3rd Down for $400, Alex. :dry:

Showtime

10-20-2008, 09:05 PM

Wow. 20-0. Kind of a suprise.

Immortalfire

10-20-2008, 09:23 PM

Bad week of pick 'em, coming up.

Kaleb

10-20-2008, 09:24 PM

who the hell is Benjarvus green ellis :consued :

Immortalfire

10-20-2008, 09:26 PM

who the hell is Benjarvus green ellis :consued :

I know him from Ole Miss, last year when they played Georgia.

Dark Donnie

10-20-2008, 09:27 PM

Obviously Cutler's injury has alot to do with this outcome....cost me my damn fantasy game as well :cmad:

BlackLantern

10-20-2008, 09:31 PM

I was dead in the water in Fantasy this week unless Cutler had a monster game...I'm getting some good points out of Sammy Morris though

The Game

10-20-2008, 09:34 PM

27-0 I never expected this, I'm damn happy right now

Mister J

10-20-2008, 09:36 PM

I see that memo about defense being a helpful thing in winning games hasn't quite yet circulated to Colorado this season.

Double Down

10-20-2008, 09:47 PM

Everyone watching the game knows when Welker is getting the ball, yet defenses never do.

Mister J

10-20-2008, 09:54 PM

34-0. Cripes. Is it 2007 again?

Bond

10-20-2008, 10:01 PM

Obviously Cutler's injury has alot to do with this outcome....cost me my damn fantasy game as well :cmad:
Me too. :csad:

Zephyr Alexian

10-20-2008, 10:30 PM

34-0. Cripes. Is it 2007 again?

Back to the future.:(

40-7.

NewYorkSpider

10-20-2008, 10:56 PM

My Monday night prediction.

Denver - 30
New England - 10

My prediction was a little bit off tonight. :dry:

I don't think anybody saw this coming.

Showtime

10-20-2008, 11:16 PM

Nice to have that to cheer me up a bit after the Red Sox loss.

Dr. Evil

10-20-2008, 11:22 PM

Another injured QB.........what the hell is going on with all of these injuries?

NewYorkSpider

10-20-2008, 11:59 PM

I know it's WAY early, but here's how the playoffs would look if the season ended today.

NFC
1. New York Giants
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3. Arizona Cardinals
4. Chicago Bears
5. Washington Redskins
6. Carolina Panthers

AFC
1. Tennesse Titans
2. Pittsburgh Steelers
3. Buffalo Bills
4. Denver Broncos
5. New England Patriots
6. Indianapolis Colts

Double Down

10-21-2008, 12:17 AM

That Cardinals-Panthers playoff game will play out this weekend, albeit in the wrong city.

The Giants at Pittsburgh game Sunday looks like a great one.

NewYorkSpider

10-21-2008, 01:05 AM

There's some good games this weekend.

Arizona @ Carolina
Tampa @ Dallas
Atlanta @ Philadelphia
New York G @ Pittsburgh

Cmill216

10-21-2008, 01:11 AM

Giants @ Steelers is huge.

The Game

10-21-2008, 03:03 AM

Another injured QB.........what the hell is going on with all of these injuries?

Since Favre managed to beat the Madden curse, the curse is taking it out on the whole league

CrypticOne

10-21-2008, 04:07 AM

My Lord, the Broncos got handled tonight. Man, I couldn't believe it. Broncos are still my team, but man, come on now. The calls were awful though. I did not see that Marshall pass interference.

FaT_tONle

10-21-2008, 06:33 AM

Broncos usually dominate the Pats... this season has been tough to figure.

Looking ahead to next week... Giants will definitely lose to the Steelers... won't be a blow out though. I like Dallas to bounce back against Tampa although I was wrong the past two weeks about that... any other notable games?

Kaleb

10-21-2008, 07:22 AM

The broncos lost because of their mistakes, not because of the pats .

Kaleb

10-21-2008, 07:25 AM

kane9321

10-21-2008, 09:05 AM

Go pats go

Bye mike nolan...you suck as a coach

Silver Knight

10-21-2008, 09:14 AM

Everyone at the 49ers suck.

kane9321

10-21-2008, 09:15 AM

Everyone at the 49ers suck.

ya you are correct..management is just horrible

Silver Knight

10-21-2008, 09:17 AM

There's some good games this weekend.

Arizona @ Carolina
Tampa @ Dallas
Atlanta @ Philadelphia
New York G @ Pittsburgh
My pics:
Arizona
Tampa
ATL
NY.

Double Down

10-21-2008, 09:20 AM

My pics:
Arizona
Tampa
ATL
NY.

I guess you don't like the home teams.

Silver Knight

10-21-2008, 09:21 AM

I like the teams I feel will win.

That-Guy

10-21-2008, 09:24 AM

Didn't watch the game last night but I just checked the scores... WOW, so much for everyone who thought Denver was going to be a dominating force this year. They're going to have to play a lot better if they want to redeem themselves for that one.

Double Down

10-21-2008, 09:25 AM

From Rotoworld:

Daunte Culpepper spoke with the Chiefs on Monday as the team continued to deal with multiple injuries at quarterback.
Nothing appears imminent, but the Chiefs could make a move down the road. Bruce Gradkowski was scheduled to come in Tuesday. Herm Edwards has declined to comment other than to say the Chiefs may try to sign a veteran QB.

Silver Knight

10-21-2008, 09:39 AM

Go Web Go!

10-21-2008, 09:50 AM

Zephyr Alexian

10-21-2008, 09:57 AM

He's only considering signing with the Chiefs because KC is notorious for their bbq'ing.

:hehe: LJ is going to have plenty of free time to show him some of those places, unless he's incarcerated.:o

BlackLantern

10-21-2008, 10:23 AM

giants @ pittsburgh will be a seriously physical game....I hope they have some extra medical personnel on hand

BlackLantern

10-21-2008, 10:23 AM

edit double post

Go Web Go!

10-21-2008, 10:27 AM

:hehe: LJ is going to have plenty of free time to show him some of those places, unless he's incarcerated.:o

Oh yeah. With him getting into another scuffle with a female during the BYE week it's safe to say he can expect a few weeks off, much like Matt Jones. He just got 3 games according to a local station. Took you long enough, Goodell.

ih8nyy

10-21-2008, 10:29 AM

Go pats go

Bye mike nolan...you suck as a coach

Sharp Dressed Man on the sidelines though. The NFL needs more of that. These are Professionals for the love of God!

BlackLantern

10-21-2008, 10:36 AM

Sharp Dressed Man on the sidelines though. The NFL needs more of that. These are Professionals for the love of God!

agreed....a head coach of an NFL team should look professional, not like a hobo (I'm looking at you, Belichick)

Kaleb

10-21-2008, 10:38 AM

Im confident that Nolan will get another chance somewhere down the line.

ih8nyy

10-21-2008, 10:41 AM

agreed....a head coach of an NFL team should look professional, not like a hobo (I'm looking at you, Belichick)

Most of them look like Hobo's. Not just BB. The problem is the NFL's deal with Reebok that all the stuff they wear has to be licensed clothing. Ridiculous. At least they had Reebok make the suits for Nolan and Del Rio wore them a few times as well. But still the head coach should look better than all of them do. They look like obsessed fans with head sets on.

Raiden

10-21-2008, 10:49 AM

ya you are correct..management is just horrible

They should've fired Nolan last year. Nolan has never brought 49ers a winning season and I don't know why he sticks around as long as he did.

BlackLantern

10-21-2008, 10:50 AM

Del Rio looked like his wife made him wear the suit, but I appreciated his effort...I hope someone else decides to take it up...

Kaleb

10-21-2008, 10:52 AM

Say goodbye to the dirtiest player in the game

Rodney Harrison's season is over after tearing his quad muscle on Monday night. The injury likely marks the end of his 15-year career.

Harrison will unfairly be best remembered as a "dirty" player who racked up fines, not unlike recently retired John Lynch. But he'll also be remembered as the consummate teammate and run-stopping safety. He only made two Pro Bowls because of his unpopularity around the league, but will get Hall of Fame consideration as the only man with 30 interceptions and 30 sacks in NFL history. Ultimately, we'd guess he'll fall short of Canton. Brandon Merriweather figures to start for New England now.

Immortalfire

10-21-2008, 11:08 AM

agreed....a head coach of an NFL team should look professional, not like a hobo (I'm looking at you, Belichick)

Yeah, ol Bill sure won't ever win a fashion award.

Showtime

10-21-2008, 11:26 AM

agreed....a head coach of an NFL team should look professional, not like a hobo (I'm looking at you, Belichick)

I care about them guiding teams to wins, not how they look. Fracona and Belichick won't win fashion awards but they've done pretty good so far.

Yeah, ol Bill sure won't ever win a fashion award.

He doesn't want to wear anything to loud because it will clash with his 5 rings. :o

Say goodbye to the dirtiest player in the game

Big loss for the Patriots. Big.

Immortalfire

10-21-2008, 11:45 AM

He doesn't want to wear anything to loud because it will clash with his 5 rings. :o

It is at this point Surf or Slim would arrive and post a pic of Peyton holding the Lombardi trophy.

RIP Memphis Slim.

Double Down

10-21-2008, 12:13 PM

Rodney Harrison's season is over after tearing his quad muscle on Monday night. The injury likely marks the end of his 15-year career.

Harrison will unfairly be best remembered as a "dirty" player who racked up fines, not unlike recently retired John Lynch. But he'll also be remembered as the consummate teammate and run-stopping safety. He only made two Pro Bowls because of his unpopularity around the league, but will get Hall of Fame consideration as the only man with 30 interceptions and 30 sacks in NFL history. Ultimately, we'd guess he'll fall short of Canton. Brandon Merriweather figures to start for New England now.

Did Lynch officially retire? I thought he was still looking.

Double Down

10-21-2008, 12:14 PM

Yeah, ol Bill sure won't ever win a fashion award.

I love watching games with my girlfriend. She asks questions so that she seems involved, but they are always so random. And she never gets the names right.
Like yesterday, it was, "So what's up with Kelvin Wilson?" (Kellen Winslow)
I have also heard Jerome "The Bus" Butkis, Brian Belichick (he is the ex-coach of the Ravens and the current coach of the Patriots, in her mind), Matt Lionheart (Leinart), Keith Griffin (Ken Griffey Jr.), and, my personal favorite, Nomad Grassiarappa (yes, Nomad). The best part is that she does it every time, no matter how many times I correct her. Once she gets it in her head, that's the guy's name.
Anyway, yesterday, I got, "Is Brian Belichick married?"
I asked why and the response was, "Because he always looks so unhappy."
Apparently, she assumed he was not married because of how he dresses. And apparently, being married would make him happy.
I told her having Matt Cassel as his quarterback probably has more to do with his disposition than whether or not he is married. She knew Cassel replaced Tom Brady. That name she got right.

Immortalfire

10-21-2008, 12:16 PM

:lmao:

Well, she's trying.

Double Down

10-21-2008, 12:20 PM

:lmao:

Well, she's trying.

I know, it actually is cute. She isn't one of those girlfriends who complains about sports.
As an aside, she went to the same high school as LeBron James. We went to quite a few of his high school games.

Silver Knight

10-21-2008, 12:29 PM

I love watching games with my girlfriend. She asks questions so that she seems involved, but they are always so random. And she never gets the names right.
Like yesterday, it was, "So what's up with Kelvin Wilson?" (Kellen Winslow)
I have also heard Jerome "The Bus" Butkis, Brian Belichick (he is the ex-coach of the Ravens and the current coach of the Patriots, in her mind), Matt Lionheart (Leinart), Keith Griffin (Ken Griffey Jr.), and, my personal favorite, Nomad Grassiarappa (yes, Nomad). The best part is that she does it every time, no matter how many times I correct her. Once she gets it in her head, that's the guy's name.
Anyway, yesterday, I got, "Is Brian Belichick married?"
I asked why and the response was, "Because he always looks so unhappy."
Apparently, she assumed he was not married because of how he dresses. And apparently, being married would make him happy.
I told her having Matt Cassel as his quarterback probably has more to do with his disposition than whether or not he is married. She knew Cassel replaced Tom Brady. That name she got right.
Thats awesome dude..

ih8nyy

10-21-2008, 01:59 PM

Did Lynch officially retire? I thought he was still looking.

There is some talk that the Pats my give him a call now that Harrison is out.

ih8nyy

10-21-2008, 02:00 PM

Belvedere

10-21-2008, 02:04 PM

NOMAD! :hehe:

I just spit Pepsi out of my mouth.

I'd be slightly worried if you spat it out of anywhere else. :o

ih8nyy

10-21-2008, 02:06 PM

i'd be slightly worried if you spat it out of anywhere else. :o

qft

Double Down

10-21-2008, 02:25 PM

My girlfriend's translation of the game amuses me to no end. Here are a few more if anyone is interested.

Her favorite questions:
"Is he going to go pro?" (about every college player)
"Did they get a down?" (for every good play, she means "a first down")
"Is he related to Tiki?" (about all Barbers)
She calls extra points "field goals."
She loves onside kicks. She asks if they are "going to do a kick" at random intervals in the game.

Other names I forgot the first time include: Jonathon McNabb, Lindainian Thompson and Anton Boldin.

Names she usually gets correct: Brian Urlacher, Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Jeremy Shockey, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Jeff Garcia, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Troy Polamalu, and Ben Roethlisberger (the last two always shocks me when she gets it right).

Names she has butchered a million ways (all of them funny): Chris Fuamata-Ma'afala and Brandon Manumaleuna.

(PS: I hope she doesn't come off as "dumb." She's actually very smart, it's just that she is trying to remember stuff she doesn't actually care about. I'm the same way with Sex and the City, which she loves. Apparently they have names on that show and are not referred to as "The Cute One," "The Read Head," "The ****ty One," and "Sarah Jessica Parker.")

Immortalfire

10-21-2008, 02:58 PM

What about TJ Houzyomama?

Double Down

10-21-2008, 03:00 PM

What about TJ Houzyomama?

I just asked her if she knows who that is. She doesn't.

BlackLantern

10-21-2008, 04:45 PM

TJ Hoshamazode??

Kaleb

10-21-2008, 05:11 PM

Kellen Winslow jr is suspended for one game.

Go Web Go!

10-21-2008, 05:18 PM

He won't be in Cleveland much longer.

Alex The Great

10-21-2008, 05:41 PM

Rodney Harrison is gone?

****ing christ

Showtime

10-21-2008, 07:24 PM

He's not dead. Just out for the season and his career is over, but not dead.

Alex The Great

10-21-2008, 07:31 PM

Are season is dead? :csad:

Showtime

10-21-2008, 07:36 PM

Not quite, not looking great, but not dead.

BlackLantern

10-21-2008, 07:49 PM

Are season is dead? :csad:

well....the chances of winning the division aren't all that great...or winning the AFC...and the Super Bowl is pretty much out of the question...

Assassin32

10-21-2008, 07:50 PM

I went to the Raider-Jet game on Sunday. It was a great day except for the almost-committing-suicide-when-Cable-called-time-out-on-the-missed-field-goal part. If the Raiders had a true number one receiver, we'd be big-time spoilers in the NFL this year.

I knew we shouldn't have drafted Robert Gallery over Larry Fitzgerald.:cmad:

Double Down

10-21-2008, 08:21 PM

Bond

10-21-2008, 08:21 PM

Rodney Harrison is gone?

****ing christ
I feel bad for him. And I never have sympathy for Patriots players. :cmad:

Assassin32

10-21-2008, 08:23 PM

I loved Fitzgerald coming out of the draft, but I also thought Gallery was going to be a really good player.

That big bastard is such a painfully mediocre lineman.:csad:

Double Down

10-21-2008, 08:25 PM

That big bastard is such a painfully mediocre lineman.:csad:

I know.

FaT_tONle

10-21-2008, 08:48 PM

well....the chances of winning the division aren't all that great...or winning the AFC...and the Super Bowl is pretty much out of the question...

Well you never know... it's wierd how these things go. I mean week 1 every said the NFC was better than the AFC... is it really? Titans look good... Bills look good... Steelers look good. I guess the Giant/Steeler game next week will give us a better reading. I get that that only hurts the Patriots chances even more... but things change rather quickly in this league.

The AFC is still the better conference IMO as crazy as that would have sounded a few weeks back.

Zephyr Alexian

10-21-2008, 08:57 PM

Not this year. There's no dominant conference. Almost any team can win from week to week. I can't remember another year where the win/loss column of opposing teams has meant so little from week to week.

Double Down

10-21-2008, 10:04 PM

Chiefs coach Edwards says Johnson may miss another game

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Coach Herm Edwards hinted Tuesday that Kansas City running back Larry Johnson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6363), under NFL investigation for allegedly assaulting a woman, could be benched for a second straight game regardless of what the league decides.

Double Down

10-21-2008, 10:11 PM

Word is the Vikings (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/16) offered the Browns (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/5) their 2009 and 2010 first-round draft picks for quarterback Brady Quinn (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/7775), but Cleveland, after consideration, said no thanks. Economically, the deal makes sense for the Vikings (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/16) in that Quinn, who is under contract for three more years after this season, already has been paid his signing bonus. And the Vikings (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/16) wouldn't have to spend on the draft picks. With the trading deadline recently passed, the deal could be resurrected after the season. If the Browns (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/5) won't relent on Quinn, they might deal QB Derek Anderson to Minnesota.
St. Paul Pioneer Press (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_10757220)

Assassin32

10-21-2008, 10:48 PM

The Vikings + a good QB = Super Bowl

Zephyr Alexian

10-21-2008, 11:05 PM

I think the Vikings should stay away from Quinn and Anderson. Quinn = New Leinhart. Anderson hasn't been fully right since the concussion. I don't know why they haven't tried Chris Simms yet.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 12:00 AM

Bengals LB Keith Rivers is out for the year with a broken jaw, which he got on a block from Hines Ward.

Ace of Knaves

10-22-2008, 03:10 AM

Whats the fuss over Brady Quinn? He's crap anyway isn't he?

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 05:50 AM

I see the Bronco's have signed Chad Jackson

DeaDheaD

10-22-2008, 08:13 AM

Belvedere

10-22-2008, 11:04 AM

Whats the fuss over Brady Quinn? He's crap anyway isn't he?

I actually quite like Brady Quinn, I can definetly see the Matt Leinart comparison, but I think Quinn's the better of the two QBs in Cleveland.

Anderson got way over-rated last season, IMO he's just a glorified journeyman with a big arm.

Cmill216

10-22-2008, 11:11 AM

Quinn would at least be an improvement over Jackson.

FaT_tONle

10-22-2008, 11:11 AM

Who the hell would give up two 1st rounders for Quinn? I get that Minnesota needs a QB and they don't want to develop a guy for three years but damn... I mean that is just stupid. Vikings should have signed Pennington... they didn't trust the arm strength... but they probably wasted a full year or more not making that move. I mean they are still in the race as of now so you never know... I think the Superbowl expectations going into this year were a bit of a reach... even though it's the NFC.

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 11:13 AM

No doubt that Brady is the better QB , one of the main reasons why Anderson did so well last season was because there was hardly any game tape for defensive coordinators to gameplan on.

StorminNorman

10-22-2008, 11:14 AM

I think the Vikings should stay away from Quinn and Anderson. Quinn = New Leinhart. Anderson hasn't been fully right since the concussion. I don't know why they haven't tried Chris Simms yet.

Quinn has looked great in the pre-season and any opportunities he has been given while Leinhart has never looked good.

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 11:15 AM

Considering the talent of qbs coming into the draft next season , I have no idea wy the hell the vikes would want to give up their first pick .

StorminNorman

10-22-2008, 11:17 AM

Bengals LB Keith Rivers is out for the year with a broken jaw, which he got on a block from Hines Ward.

Hines Ward is one badass mother****er.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolspotters2_development/photos/1535/Hines_Ward_profile.jpghttp://www.squarehe.com/images/0609/hines-ward.jpg

StorminNorman

10-22-2008, 11:18 AM

Considering the talent of qbs coming into the draft next season , I have no idea wy the hell the vikes would want to give up their first pick .
I would agree with this.

Raiden

10-22-2008, 11:27 AM

Considering the talent of qbs coming into the draft next season , I have no idea wy the hell the vikes would want to give up their first pick .

Vikings should check out Falcons and their success with their rookie QB, instead of dumping 2 first-rounders for Quinn.

Cmill216

10-22-2008, 11:31 AM

Vikings should check out Falcons and their success with their rookie QB, instead of dumping 2 first-rounders for Quinn.

They should also check out the 49ers and their success with their rookie QB.

Ace of Knaves

10-22-2008, 11:31 AM

Yea whos that guy in Immortals avvy, Matthew Stafford? He looks the shizzle, why don't they trade up for some 1st round picks and get him?

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 11:40 AM

the Cheifs will claim Matt Stafford.

Immortalfire

10-22-2008, 11:44 AM

Hines Ward is one badass mother****er.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolspotters2_development/photos/1535/Hines_Ward_profile.jpg

Damn good Dawg :yay:

DeaDheaD

10-22-2008, 11:46 AM

Maybe the Vikings could offer the Chiefs two first rounders for Brodie.....:o

Dr. Evil

10-22-2008, 11:50 AM

Brad Childress must have been high when he drafted Tarvaris Jackson.

Dr. Evil

10-22-2008, 11:56 AM

Chiefs sign QB Quinn Gray

Immortalfire

10-22-2008, 11:58 AM

Who :huh:

Erzengel

10-22-2008, 12:03 PM

I expected the Vikings to pick up Pennington. They just needed a quaterback to handle the 3rd down and 4 plays.

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 12:05 PM

Brady ''the monopoly man'' childress is an idiot,he is the next coach I want to see fired.

Ace of Knaves

10-22-2008, 12:05 PM

Why didn't the Vikings go for Favre?

Raiden

10-22-2008, 12:06 PM

I expected the Vikings to pick up Pennington. They just needed a quaterback to handle the 3rd down and 4 plays.

Vikings had their chance, but now 'Fins (who have QB problem of their own) won't give up Pennington now.

Raiden

10-22-2008, 12:06 PM

Why didn't the Vikings go for Favre?

I thought it was public knowledge that Packers did everything they could to try to prevent Favre from going to their division rival.

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 12:07 PM

Why didn't the Vikings go for Favre?

cause Favre wasnt a free agent, and the packers would never trade with a div riva.

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 12:09 PM

There was an agreement that once the Jets traded for Favre , if they traded favre to the Vikes then the Jets had to give the Packers their next couple of yrs first round picks

BlackLantern

10-22-2008, 12:14 PM

There was an agreement that once the Jets traded for Favre , if they traded favre to the Vikes then the Jets had to give the Packers their next couple of yrs first round picks

They don't want Favre anywhere near the division...that's probably why they made sure he went to an AFC team

Ace of Knaves

10-22-2008, 12:14 PM

I see, good bit of business by the Pack then!!

Dr. Evil

10-22-2008, 12:18 PM

CNNSI College Football Guy Stewart Mandel believes Urban Meyer would be a good candidate for the NFL:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/10/22/cfb.mailbag/1.html

My leading candidate would be Urban Meyer, for two reasons. For one, he's the hyper-competitive, career-climber sort who would be intrigued by the challenge. But there's a larger reason than that. At some point, whether they like it or not, NFL folks are going to have to succumb in some way to the spread-offense world -- and not just as a gimmick like the recent "Wild Hog" craze. It's a supply and demand thing. With more and more colleges switching from pro-style to spread offenses (like Michigan), there simply aren't going to be enough 6-foot-5 drop-back passers, blocking tight ends and sculpted fullbacks to fill NFL rosters. I think you're even going to see more of a trend toward leaner, more mobile offensive linemen.

It could be a year from now, three years from now, whatever, but that day is going to come, and when it does, NFL teams will inevitably look toward colleges in search of a spread "guru." Meyer obviously fits that bill.

DeaDheaD

10-22-2008, 12:23 PM

Jeff George is clearly the answer for the Vikings' qb problem.

Immortalfire

10-22-2008, 12:25 PM

Jeff George is clearly the answer for the Vikings' qb problem.

:up:

DeaDheaD

10-22-2008, 12:27 PM

ESPN is just now catching on to the Favre/Lions controversy.

Dr. Evil

10-22-2008, 12:29 PM

I heard that Jeff George still wants to play.

DeaDheaD

10-22-2008, 12:30 PM

yup

Raiden

10-22-2008, 12:31 PM

ESPN is just now catching on to the Favre/Lions controversy.

I don't think Favre tipped off the Lions, and even if he did you don't think Packers have changed their playbooks after Favre left? But Favre and Packers still make good stories so they will milk it for all its worth.

DeaDheaD

10-22-2008, 12:42 PM

I don't think Favre tipped off the Lions, and even if he did you don't think Packers have changed their playbooks after Favre left? But Favre and Packers still make good stories so they will milk it for all its worth.

Supposedly ESPN was keeping quiet on the Favre story b/c they don't want to hurt the ESPN/Favre relationship.

I think that Favre is very emotional, stubborn, and vengeful. Plus he has a sensitive ego, so I wouldnt put it past him. You have to think, he ran that offense for the past 16 years, McCarthy was hired b/c McCarthy ran the same offense as Holmgren, Sherman, etc...So I dont think the playbook will have changed that much in one off-season,(three years from now, sure, but not in 3 months), but Favre is the "greatest qb to ever play or be around football", so I don't think it really matters what he did.

But I can say this, he KNOWS that offense, no matter how much they alter or try to disguise, unless McCarthy completes rewrites his playbook, hires a new offensive coordinator or the Packers hire a completely new coaching staff, Brett KNOWS McCarthy's offense.

Mister J

10-22-2008, 12:44 PM

I heard that Jeff George still wants to play.
I was actually surprised his name didn't come up earlier.

I bet he still throws a sweet-looking pass.

...and I also bet he's still an ass.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 12:58 PM

Vikings had their chance, but now 'Fins (who have QB problem of their own) won't give up Pennington now.

Miami Herald (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/story/733910.html):
Chad Pennington (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/755) can take the Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) only so far. Pennington, solid and stable and safe today, is not the Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) franchise quarterback of tomorrow. That has become increasingly obvious as games have made us familiar with Pennington's abilities. Those abilities are to get rid of the ball quickly, avoid major mistakes and often, all too often, decline the chance to throw deep. Pennington's style is acceptable when the Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) are playing with a lead or when the defense is pitching shutouts. But that hasn't been the case for Miami lately and it has exposed Pennington's limitations. It also hurt him that after weeks of wondering why the Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) did not throw the ball deep, the reason shifted from the inability of Miami receivers to get open to Pennington's inability to connect. That's because against the Ravens (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/31) both Ted Ginn Jr. and Greg Camarillo (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/2702) were open deep several times. And Pennington never threw them the ball on those occasions. So where does that leave the Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) now? Nowhere. Pennington is their starter. Where should it lead the Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) eventually? To Chad Henne. Last week, Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) offensive coordinator Dan Henning was talking about Henne when he boldly said the Miami rookie is every bit as good as Atlanta's Matt Ryan (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/9425) and Baltimore's Joe Flacco (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/10367) -- two rookies that were drafted before Henne and are already starting for their teams. Henning went on to predict when Henne plays ``he will play well.'' Sparano also showed a certain amount of confidence in Henne on Monday when he admitted he thought of inserting the rookie late into the Baltimore game. The idea was not necessarily to replace Pennington, but to give Henne some valuable snaps against a fine defense.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 01:01 PM

From ProFootballTalk.com (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/21/espn-issued-internal-do-not-report-warning-on-favre-story/):
A source, who for reasons likely related to making the monthly mortgage payment has asked not to be identified, has forwarded to us a version of ESPN’s internal “Hot List,” which provides a detailed rundown of the current stories that might merit mention on the various ESPN properties.
It’s a lengthy collection of news and nuggets regarding all of the major sports (and golf). At the bottom, there’s a description of one specific story that should be avoided.
Under the heading “DO NOT REPORT . . . DO NOT REPORT . . . . DO NOT REPORT . . . DO NOT REPORT” (um, we get the point) appears the following:
“Yesterday, FoxSports reported that Brett Favre spent 60 to 90 minutes before the Week Two game between the Lions and the Packers educating the Detroit coaching staff regarding the Packers’ offensive strategies. WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY RELIABLE SOURCES THIS REPORT IS NOT TRUE. We did NOT report it yesterday. Today, the NFL responded to the report, saying even if Favre did this he did not break any league rules. We are NOT reporting it today, because that would mean airing the erroneous report. DO NOT REPORT IT.”

From DanPatrick.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/16202/index.html):
Fox's Jay Glazer said he's one million percent sure his story about Favre advising the Lions before the Packers game is true. Favre denied the story, even though what Glazer accused him of isn't against NFL rules.
He said Detroit coach Rod Marinelli said "no comment." What else do you need to know. Glazer said he was sure Favre would deny it.
Glazer explained to Dan why he didn't call Favre before breaking the story. If he called Favre for a response, Favre would have reached out to his contacts at ESPN and they would have broken a modified version of the story. Glazer thought he would lose his story right before the FOX pregame show.

Silver Knight

10-22-2008, 01:02 PM

There was an agreement that once the Jets traded for Favre , if they traded favre to the Vikes then the Jets had to give the Packers their next couple of yrs first round picks
You sure about that mate?

Mister J

10-22-2008, 01:07 PM

So where does that leave the Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) now? Nowhere. Pennington is their starter. Where should it lead the Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) eventually? To Chad Henne. Last week, Dolphins (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/15) offensive coordinator Dan Henning was talking about Henne when he boldly said the Miami rookie is every bit as good as Atlanta's Matt Ryan (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/9425) and Baltimore's Joe Flacco (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/10367) -- two rookies that were drafted before Henne and are already starting for their teams. Henning went on to predict when Henne plays ``he will play well.'' Sparano also showed a certain amount of confidence in Henne on Monday when he admitted he thought of inserting the rookie late into the Baltimore game. The idea was not necessarily to replace Pennington, but to give Henne some valuable snaps against a fine defense.
Give the kid some snaps then.

Pennington was never intended to be a long term answer; just to provide some veteran competency and stability to an area where consistency has been a concern since Fielder was run out of town. Henne should get some live reps here and there. As the end of the season approaches, and Miami has played its way out of the postseason, he should be getting more action.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 01:07 PM

You sure about that mate?

It's absolutely true.

Silver Knight

10-22-2008, 01:08 PM

It's absolutely true.
Wow, intresting. What if they cut him then signed him again then traded him?

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 01:10 PM

You sure about that mate?

DEAL BLOCKS RE-TRADE TO ANY NFC NORTH TEAM

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the term requiring the Jets to surrender three first-round draft picks to the Packers if quarterback Brett Favre is re-traded to the Vikings also applies to the Bears and the Lions.

So if the Jets ship Favre to any of the Packers’ three opponents in the NFC North, then the Jets will have to give up three first-round draft picks.

The trade also includes, per Schefter, terms that would prevent the Jets from escaping the escalation by trading Favre to another team who then would trade him to one of the NFC North teams.

As we previously pointed out, it’s highly unlikely that the Jets would treat this episode like a house-flipping scheme. Still, it was smart for the Packers to protect themselves this way.

Of course, the trade terms don’t prevent the Jets from, for example, releasing Favre on request after the 2008 season, so that he can get back to the NFC North, if he so chooses. Indeed, it wouldn’t be a shock to learn that Favre agreed to join the Jets only after the Jets agreed to let him go with no strings attached, if he decides after one year that he wants out.

If our speculation in that regard is accurate, we hope that Favre talked with Pete Kendall, Laveranues Coles, and/or Chris Baker before taking the team at its word.

yip

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 01:12 PM

Wow, intresting. What if they cut him then signed him again then traded him?

Favre wanted to play for the Vikes, so if they cut him he would have signed with the vikings.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 01:13 PM

Wow, intresting. What if they cut him then signed him again then traded him?

If the Jets did cut Favre, I would assume he could just sign with the Vikings. I don't see why he would allow himself to be cut, so that he could re-sign, then get traded.
But say they did cut him, re-sign him and trade him to the Vikings, it's hard to imagine they wouldn't have to give those picks to the Packers. Goodell would step in.

Raiden

10-22-2008, 01:18 PM

Give the kid some snaps then.

Pennington was never intended to be a long term answer; just to provide some veteran competency and stability to an area where consistency has been a concern since Fielder was run out of town. Henne should get some live reps here and there. As the end of the season approaches, and Miami has played its way out of the postseason, he should be getting more action.

Hanne is the future, but I would think Dolphins still would like to have a veteran like Pennington either starting or as backup, since as a rookie Hanne is still unproven. But Pennington's shortcomings are the reason why Jets got rid of him after Favre signed aboard.

Raiden

10-22-2008, 01:19 PM

If the Jets did cut Favre, I would assume he could just sign with the Vikings. I don't see why he would allow himself to be cut, so that he could re-sign, then get traded.
But say they did cut him, re-sign him and trade him to the Vikings, it's hard to imagine they wouldn't have to give those picks to the Packers. Goodell would step in.

Jets will not cut Favre, esp. since their young QB Clemens is looking more and more like a bust.

Mister J

10-22-2008, 01:27 PM

Hanne is the future, but I would think Dolphins still would like to have a veteran like Pennington either starting or as backup, since as a rookie Hanne is still unproven. But Pennington's shortcomings are the reason why Jets got rid of him after Favre signed aboard.
I definitely don't want them to bench Chad anytime soon. He's the best guy that's been under center in years and is more than capable, with the right personnel/system. However, if there's a chance down the line to give Henne some live time to develop, I'm all for it.

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 01:30 PM

Tony Sprano is old school, he will keep a rookie qb on the bench for a season and tell him to read the playbook so he can develope.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 01:41 PM

Jets will not cut Favre, esp. since their young QB Clemens is looking more and more like a bust.

No one was saying they will cut Favre. He was just wondering if the Jets would still lose their picks in that scenario.

By the way, the Brett Favre press conference is kind of funny. Favre refers to himself in the third person several times.

StorminNorman

10-22-2008, 01:52 PM

the Cheifs will claim Matt Stafford.

The Cheifs need someone who can start tomorrow, and Stafford is not that guy.

I think Colt McCoy is.

I truly believe Stafford will be a Pro Bowl, top 5 NFL QB - but I think Colt McCoy will be a better rookie.

Poeman

10-22-2008, 02:04 PM

McCoy will be a HOF i think...Stafford will be a backup in the nfl

StorminNorman

10-22-2008, 02:10 PM

Stafford will either be a bust or a star - he won't be a backup.

Kaleb

10-22-2008, 02:47 PM

what are your guys opinions on Sam Bradford.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 03:17 PM

Chiefs placed QB Damon Huard (thumb) on injured reserve, ending his season.

The outlook for Kansas City's other skill players isn't great for the rest of the year. The Chiefs will try to get Quinn Gray ready, but that may not be doable for another few games at least as he picks up the offense. Tyler Thigpen will start in Week 8 and most likely Week 9 against the Bucs. Huard is under contract for 2009, but the early guess is he won't be back.

Belvedere

10-22-2008, 03:21 PM

what are your guys opinions on Sam Bradford.

I really don't want to pass judgment on him yet, he looks very polished and puts up great numbers on good teams, but the Sooners' type of play (and the no huddle) would contribute greatly to that.

But (off the record), I think he's the real deal.

DeaDheaD

10-22-2008, 03:39 PM

Jets will not cut Favre, esp. since their young QB Clemens is looking more and more like a bust.

Well he is a second-rounder, so it's recoverable bust.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 06:40 PM

Who the hell would give up two 1st rounders for Quinn? I get that Minnesota needs a QB and they don't want to develop a guy for three years but damn... I mean that is just stupid.

To get Quinn, the Browns traded their second round pick in the 2007 draft, which was the fourth pick in the round, and their first pick in the 2008 draft, which, at the time, seemed very likely to be a top three pick overall (possibly first overall, if anyone remembers how bad the Browns were). No team would trade those two picks for a pair of mid- to late first-rounders, which is what the Vikings would essentially give the Browns.

Quinn has looked great in the pre-season and any opportunities he has been given while Leinhart has never looked good.

Exactly. I think Quinn has a great future. He just seems to have that "it" factor. The Browns do not want to deal him, because they see it too.
I have never seen that from Leinart.
Leinart will never be a winner, but people just keep making excuses for him:

Quarterbacks coach Jeff Rutledge answers fans' questions
What is the biggest difference in Kurt Warner compared to Matt Leinart?
“Experience I think is the number one thing. The more snaps you have behind center the better off you are and there won’t be a whole lot of surprises you can get if you’ve been behind center a bunch, which is a big deal and that comes with play time. Matt just hasn’t had the play time that Kurt has but Matt has a great future ahead of him and he is just taking advantage of watching Kurt and learning from Kurt. Kurt is the smartest player I’ve ever been around, no question.”

So Warner has the edge in experience and intelligence, but no mention of talent?
When Whisenhunt tried to install Leinart as the starter, even though he did not deserve it, Whisenhunt said Warner played better because he benefitted from a better running game. That was the biggest crock I had ever heard. They have the same running game. It was just that the defense had no respect for Leinart, so they crowded the line and dared Leinart to beat them. He could not (ergo: Kurt Warner - 27 TDs on 451 attempts in 2007, Matt Leinart - 2 TDs on 112 attempts in 2007).

I think the Vikings should stay away from Quinn and Anderson. Quinn = New Leinhart.

I often hear about these teams trying to trade for Quinn, but I never hear about anyone trying to trade for Leinart. In fact, I heard Raiders fans say how glad they were that they didn't draft Leinart, and they chose safety Michael Huff, who has been demoted to a backup.

This is just my long way of saying Quinn is not "another Leinart."

Raiden

10-22-2008, 06:50 PM

Well he is a second-rounder, so it's recoverable bust.

But Jets now only have an aging Favre and Clemens as their QBs, and they will have to figure out if they wanted to let Clemens be their franchise QB once Favre retires for good. IMO they should draft another QB next year and have them develop as a backup for a year since Favre will likely play for two years at New York.

BlackLantern

10-22-2008, 06:53 PM

Let's say that Favre did tip off the Lions...Goodell might suspend him for a game, but that would probably be it

Double Down

10-22-2008, 06:54 PM

Let's say that Favre did tip off the Lions...Goodell might suspend him for a game, but that would probably be it

He can't. It's not against the rules.

Dr. Evil

10-22-2008, 06:57 PM

Let's say that Favre did tip off the Lions...Goodell might suspend him for a game, but that would probably be it

If that happens, ESPN will spend an entire day on the fact that Brett Favre's consecutive games streak is over. Even if it means postponing their World Series coverage a day or so. This means that ESPN's five million NFL analysts will spend the entire day talking about how his streak has ended.

Zephyr Alexian

10-22-2008, 06:57 PM

This is just my long way of saying Quinn is not "another Leinart."
Yet. In all honesty, it's an unfair comparison at the moment because Quinn has never gotten a shot to prove himself on the field for multiple games, but I don't like his arm mechanics. I never liked his decision making at Notre Dame either.

He can potentially manage games to me, but I don't think he's the guy you want with the ball in a tight 4th quarter spot.

FaT_tONle

10-22-2008, 07:00 PM

To get Quinn, the Browns traded their second round pick in the 2007 draft, which was the fourth pick in the round, and their first pick in the 2008 draft, which, at the time, seemed very likely to be a top three pick overall (possibly first overall, if anyone remembers how bad the Browns were). No team would trade those two picks for a pair of mid- to late first-rounders, which is what the Vikings would essentially give the Browns.

So the Vikings can assume they'll be a playoff team in both 09 and 10 and think that those picks will be late rounders??? I think not... two first round picks over two years can potentially be a franchise killer.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 07:04 PM

Yet. In all honesty, it's an unfair comparison at the moment because Quinn has never gotten a shot to prove himself on the field for multiple games, but I don't like his arm mechanics. I never liked his decision making at Notre Dame either.

He can potentially manage games to me, but I don't think he's the guy you want with the ball in a tight 4th quarter spot.

Umm, you were the one said Quinn=New Leinart.
A Browns insider who was on the radio said at least seven teams have called the Browns to ascertain Quinn's availability. I seriously cannot remember any instances of teams calling the Cardinals to trade for Leinart.
I am not saying that I know for certain Quinn will be an excellent quarterback. But I do know that a lot of teams, including the Browns, think he will be.
If you are starting a team tomorrow, do you want Leinart or Quinn to be your quarterback?

Zephyr Alexian

10-22-2008, 07:07 PM

Neither to tell you the truth. I understand what you're saying, but I don't value Quinn as a consistent starter in this league regardless of what NFL team is interested.

That's why I put the 'YET.' after your This is just my long way of saying Quinn is not "another Leinart."

I'm not worried about who's interested. I was referring to "on the field" production.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 07:07 PM

So the Vikings can assume they'll be a playoff team in both 09 and 10 and think that those picks will be late rounders??? I think not... two first round picks over two years can potentially be a franchise killer.

Having Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson as your quarterbacking options is a franchise killer.

NewYorkSpider

10-22-2008, 07:15 PM

Having Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson as your quarterbacking options is a franchise killer.

Frerotte has put up good numbers, but he turns the ball over too much.

StorminNorman

10-22-2008, 08:21 PM

So Warner has the edge in experience and intelligence, but no mention of talent?
When Whisenhunt tried to install Leinart as the starter, even though he did not deserve it, Whisenhunt said Warner played better because he benefitted from a better running game. That was the biggest crock I had ever heard. They have the same running game. It was just that the defense had no respect for Leinart, so they crowded the line and dared Leinart to beat them. He could not (ergo: Kurt Warner - 27 TDs on 451 attempts in 2007, Matt Leinart - 2 TDs on 112 attempts in 2007).

I like the way he chalks Leinart's ineptness to experience in comparison with Warner when Warner went 14-2 his second year in the NFL.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 08:33 PM

I like the way he chalks Leinart's ineptness to experience in comparison with Warner when Warner went 14-2 his second year in the NFL.

Great point.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 10:17 PM

From Rotoworld:
The elbow injury that landed Patrick Ramsey on injured reserve may ultimately require surgery.

We're guessing it's a dislocation or a strained ligament ala Carson Palmer and Jake Delhomme. Either way, a below-average backup like Ramsey can't afford any possible loss of arm strength. He's a free agent in 2009.

(Ouch!)

StorminNorman

10-22-2008, 10:42 PM

So Denver now only has Cutler on their roster, yes?

Double Down

10-22-2008, 10:47 PM

Darrell Hackney will become the No. 2 quarterback to Jay Cutler, although he won't be formally promoted from the practice squad until Monday.

The Broncos also have an agreement in principle to sign receiver Chad Jackson. He should sign on Monday.

Double Down

10-22-2008, 10:51 PM

From Wikipedia:

Darrell Hackney (born August 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_7), 1983 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983) in Atlanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta,_Georgia), Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state))) is an American football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) who is a practice squad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_squad) player for the Denver Broncos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_Broncos) of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League). He was signed by the Cleveland Browns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns) as an undrafted free agent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undrafted_free_agent) in 2006. He played college football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football) at Alabama-Birmingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAB_Blazers_football).

Early years
Hackney attended Douglass High School in Atlanta, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta,_Georgia) and was a student and a letterman in football and baseball. In football, the Atlanta Journal Constitution twice named him as an All-State Honorable Mention selection, and as a senior, he was also named the Atlanta Quarterback of the Year and his team's Most Valuable Player. Hackney graduated from Douglass High School in 2001.

College career
Attending college at the University of Alabama at Birmingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama_at_Birmingham), he was redshirted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(college_sports)) in 2001 as a true freshman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_freshman). Hackney currently holds several of the career UAB passing records, including passing yards (9,886 yards), touchdowns (71 touchdowns), completions (694 completions) and most total offense per game (243.4 yards per game). He also holds several single-season records for the Blazers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazers).

But my absolute favorite part is this:

On January 2, 2007 he signed with the Denver Broncos. Hackney spent the training camp with the Broncos where he competed with Jay Cutler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Cutler_(American_football)), Preston Parsons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Parsons), and Patrick Ramsey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Ramsey) for the starting quarterback position. On August 31, 2008, Hackney was signed to the Broncos practice squad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_squad).

Of course, it was an open competition. I hear that Cutler barely squeaked through and claimed the job.

Dark Donnie

10-23-2008, 07:11 AM

Report: Tom Brady had 3 additional surgeries

Tom Brady has reportedly suffered several setbacks in his recovery from surgery to repair a torn MCL and ACL due to infection and has undergone three additional procedures to eradicate it.

Brady confirmed last week that he had one more surgery to "clean and to test the wound," but the Herald reports he's had two more since then. Doctors fear the infections will compromise the initial reconstruction and the entire process may have to be redone, starting from scratch. Infections after knee surgery are considered rare and one doctor told the paper that Brady has had "really bad luck." He could be OK if the infections clear, but the process could prove career threatening if Brady needs another full reconstruction. Oct. 23 - 3:15 am et
Source: Boston Herald

Ace of Knaves

10-23-2008, 08:34 AM

Damn that sounds bad for Brady. Hope he gets rid of the infection, no one wants to see a player of his caliber on and off the field having to retire early.

Buford The Sly

10-23-2008, 09:31 AM

Man that sucks for Brady. The Dr. must have been a Jets fan.

Mister J

10-23-2008, 09:41 AM

I hope Brady's infection clears. Having him put on the shelf for good because of this would suck.

Kaleb

10-23-2008, 09:46 AM

I think the Dr that did Tom's procedure fixed up some famous baseball player.

DeaDheaD

10-23-2008, 09:46 AM

I hope Brady's infection clears. Having him put on the shelf for good because of this would suck.
Karma is a *****.

Kaleb

10-23-2008, 09:49 AM

im sorry but Karma doesnt have anything to do with it.

DeaDheaD

10-23-2008, 09:53 AM

:dry:

Ace of Knaves

10-23-2008, 09:55 AM

Yea what has Brady ever done to deserve this? Off the field he is a great guy.

DeaDheaD

10-23-2008, 10:01 AM

Yea what has Brady ever done to deserve this? Off the field he is a great guy.

*ahem*

Spygate
Belichick, even after being told by the NFL to quit manipulating his injury reports, still does it.
Brady and Belichek refusing to shake hands with certain people (Mangini, the Colts team after their loss in the AFC Championship game) after they lose.
Running up the score on almost every team in the NFL last year.
And going into the locker room before the superbowl was even over this year.

Ace of Knaves

10-23-2008, 10:06 AM

DeaDheaD

10-23-2008, 10:13 AM

You can't blame Brady for "Spygate".

As for running up the score? Well thats tough luck, if you don't want the score ran up on you then you defend better, simple as.

I suppose not shaking hands with opponents is a bit childish though.

Its not just running up the score, it's going for it on 4th down when already up by 3 touchdowns late in the fourth quarter.....
Plus, it's really karma against the Patriots in general.

Ace of Knaves

10-23-2008, 10:17 AM

Well yea I'm not really a fan of the Patriots, they are like the Man U of the American football world and I frickin hate Man U.

I still don't buy the running up the score thing. Why should a team ease up? So as to not hurt the other teams feelings? Even if it was fourth down the offence shouldn't make their decisions based of whether it's out of order or not, if they think they can get the first down, go for it. It's up to the defence to make them look like fools and stop it.

Zephyr Alexian

10-23-2008, 10:48 AM

Its not just running up the score, it's going for it on 4th down when already up by 3 touchdowns late in the fourth quarter.....
Plus, it's really karma against the Patriots in general.

Karma? lol? C'mon, they play a very physical game.

The Apocalypse

10-23-2008, 01:27 PM

*ahem*

Spygate
Belichick, even after being told by the NFL to quit manipulating his injury reports, still does it.
Brady and Belichek refusing to shake hands with certain people (Mangini, the Colts team after their loss in the AFC Championship game) after they lose.
Running up the score on almost every team in the NFL last year.
And going into the locker room before the superbowl was even over this year.

Not his fault.
Again, not his fault. (don't see how that is a problem anyway)
Who cares if someone shakes hands or not. Not everyone in life are friends. Just because they're professional doesn't mean emotions don't run high.
It's a football game. If you can't stop what's being thrown at you keep doing it. More practice for him and the Pats.
After going through a perfect regular season you don't really want to stay around and watch the other team celebrate the game. you were supposed to win

Point is...no Karma is involved.

Alex The Great

10-23-2008, 02:05 PM

Man, I always had the thought that this injury may be a sign that Brady's Career is going to end his career sonner than later. I knew he wouldn't pull a Favre but If that infection doesn't clear, He will be gone for good. And If he is, He beter get in the HOF first ballot damn it. My hopes and Prayers go out to Brady and his family....

Dark Donnie

10-23-2008, 02:05 PM

Daunte Culpepper-QB-Raiders Oct. 23 - 2:46 pm et

Free agent Daunte Culpepper formally unretired from football in a Thursday e-mail.
No one really believed C-Pepp was done trying to catch on when he announced the decision in September. He's been making free agent visits ever since. Culpepper doesn't offer much anymore because of shaky knees, confidence, and accuracy, but could be picked up by a team handcuffed by injury.
Source: NFL.com

Alex The Great

10-23-2008, 02:09 PM

Patriots better dial the ***** up. Cassel was good. But it was against the Denver D.

Double Down

10-23-2008, 02:13 PM

Ah, remember when it was looking like it just might be a Denver-Dallas Super Bowl?

The Steelers-Giants matchup Sunday would make a fine Super Bowl.

Belvedere

10-23-2008, 02:17 PM

Patriots better dial the ***** up. Cassel was good. But it was against the Denver D.

If they didn't before, why would they now? Cassel's not been enough of a car crash to make them, IMO.

Mister J

10-23-2008, 02:18 PM

Culpepper doesn't offer much anymore because of shaky knees, confidence, and accuracy, but could be picked up by a team handcuffed by injury.
Jeez, what's left? :funny:

Ace of Knaves

10-23-2008, 02:23 PM

How can you lose accuracy? Too many concussions or something?

Dr. Evil

10-23-2008, 02:46 PM

How can you lose accuracy? Too many concussions or something?

A ton of elbow and shoulder injuries.

Double Down

10-23-2008, 02:47 PM

From Adam Schefter's blog:

Retirement did not last long for quarterback Daunte Culpepper, who showed his interest in unretiring Thursday afternoon in an email.
In a week in which the Chiefs contacted him, after the Packers and Titans previously had this season, Culpepper now is preparing to sign with a team shortly, writing in his email, “I am going to take another shot at getting back in the League.”
He then wrote:
“A number of teams have contacted me since my retirement announcement and have provided some important information that has caused me to reconsider returning to the League. As much as I have enjoyed my brief break from playing, I know that I love the game and I have some unfinished business in the NFL. It has never been because of a lack of passion for the game but rather, the absence of a fair opportunity to compete and play that caused me to retire. Now that there are some real opportunities that match my desire to play, I will choose the one that is the best fit for both the team and me so that I can continue my NFL career. For the second half of this season, I hope to play a role in helping a team win some games. I want to thank all of those who encouraged me to ‘keep a light on’ for the right NFL opportunity that would eventually come back to me.”

Ace of Knaves

10-23-2008, 02:49 PM

The Chiefs? I would of thought the Vikings would go for him.

BlackLantern

10-23-2008, 03:00 PM

when is The Hammer going to get off his butt and ban Adam Jones...?

Kaleb

10-23-2008, 03:11 PM

um that came out of nowhere :dry:

DeaDheaD

10-23-2008, 03:33 PM

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/23/detroit-residents-spared-of-watching-crappy-football/

DETROIT RESIDENTS SPARED OF WATCHING CRAPPY FOOTBALL (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/23/detroit-residents-spared-of-watching-crappy-football/)

Posted by Mike Florio on October 23, 2008, 3:39 p.m. EDT
The downtrodden Lions have enjoyed a sellout streak throughout the seven darkest years any NFL (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/23/detroit-residents-spared-of-watching-crappy-football/#) team has endured.
But the run ends Sunday, when the home game (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/23/detroit-residents-spared-of-watching-crappy-football/#) against the Redskins won’t appear on local television (http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081023/SPORTS0101/810230453).
The Lions had previously sold out every game played at Ford Field, which opened in 2002. The run of 51 consecutive sellouts began with the final game of the 2001 season.

People in Detroit are just now catching on to the fact that if you stop supporting them, maybe they'll change.

Double Down

10-23-2008, 03:36 PM

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Chad Ocho Cinco will keep his dual identity for the rest of the NFL season.
The Cincinnati Bengals (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/bengals) receiver formerly known as Chad Johnson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/13156) said on Thursday he'll wear his old name on the back of his uniform for the rest of the season. It would have cost him a lot of money to make the switch for this season.
"We've just left it alone," he said. "I'll just wait and do it next year."
The Pro Bowl receiver legally changed his name to Ocho Cinco before the season in August in reference to his uniform number -- "eight five" in Spanish.
But Reebok, which produces NFL jerseys for sale to fans, had a large inventory of jerseys with his old name ready for sale. While the league respected the receiver's name change, it said he couldn't wear "Ocho Cinco" on the back of his jersey until he compensated Reebok for the old jerseys that would now be a tough sell.
Teammate Keith Rivers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8786) had to pay about $10,000 (euro7,800) to change his number before the start of the season.
It would have cost Ocho Cinco far more, given the popularity of his jersey. His No. 85 and quarterback Carson Palmer (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6337)'s No. 9 are the ones most often seen around Cincinnati. The receiver declined to say how much the switch would have cost him.
Ocho Cinco said he can get his new name on the back of his jersey next season without having to compensate Reebok.
"Stupid politics," he said.

Those Johnson jerseys are just going to fly off the shelves. :whatever:
Reebok should have just cut its losses. No one is buying or will buy a Johnson jersey. The Ocho Cinco ones will sell. I just don't know if it will be a Bengals jersey.

Ace of Knaves

10-23-2008, 03:41 PM

So he has actually changed his name to Ocho Cinco? What a prick!!

Mister J

10-23-2008, 03:59 PM

when is The Hammer going to get off his butt and ban Adam Jones...?
He's got to finish Matt 'Snort Sniff' Jones and Larry 'Beat Her Down' Johnson first. Jones has at least 3 more weeks to stew on that indefinite suspension. I say let him twist in the wind for a while and then drop the lifetime ban when he starts to build up some hope. :twisted:

Double Down

10-23-2008, 04:56 PM

Arizona running back Edgerrin James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1755) says he is frustrated with his decreased role in the Cardinals (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ari)' offense, the Arizona Republic reported. James, who signed a four-year, $30 million deal in 2006, has 363 yards on 101 attempts for the NFC West-leading Cardinals. That puts him on pace for 968 yards on 269 carries -- his lowest numbers since 2001, when he missed nearly two-thirds of the regular season with a knee injury.

James said he doesn't want to cause a controversy for the Cardinals, now aiming for their first winning season since 1984 and first playoff bid since 1998. But he acknowledged that the decreased workload is bothering him, according to the Republic.

"I don't know what's going on," he said. "I'm just here, just going to ride it out and get to the playoffs and, hey, that may be it right there," he said, according to the report. James needs just 30 yards to reach 12,000 for his career and 105 yards to pass Hall of Fame running back Thurman Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4) for 12th all time in NFL history.

But backup J.J. Arrington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8458) has been playing a larger role in the offense of late, and rookie Tim Hightower (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11383) is seen as the Cardinals' running back of the future. That, combined with the fact that James is scheduled to make $5 million next season, could lead to James continuing his career elsewhere in 2009.

Asked if he wanted to come back to the Cardinals next season, James said he just wants to play, according to the report.

"I don't want to just be on a team; I like to play," he said, according to the Republic. "If I'm not playing, it's not serving a purpose. What purpose is it serving? I don't want to feel like I'm selfish but you want to play."

Coach Ken Whisenhunt said he's glad that James wants the ball more, according to the report.

"I'm glad that [James] wants more carries," Whisenhunt said. "I think that's a good sign for all competitive players; they want the ball. That's why Edge is where he is and why he's been so successful, but I think the trend, not just with us but throughout the league, is sharing the carries."

James is only the second running back in Cardinals franchise history to gain more than 1,000 yards in consecutive seasons. (Ottis Anderson was the first.) But he has faced criticism that he lacks the ability to reel off big plays -- criticism that he says is unfair, according to the report.

"When I came here, I came a certain way," he said, according to the Republic. "I wasn't going to hit no 70, 80 [yards]. I was going to non-stop grind, make my plays and keep wearing a team out.

"That's what I've always done and now it's like I'm supposed to be Superman. You want to have success, you want to do things and that's the most frustrating thing, I know I can play, I know I'm a good player."

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/headshots/nfl/players/65/1755.jpg
James

Players are always the last to know when they can't play any more.

SurfDUI

10-23-2008, 05:24 PM

Edge will always be an Indianapolis COLT-
With the age considerations around Warner, I'd think Edge would have more of a load. Wish we had him back instead of Dom Rhodes

Cmill216

10-23-2008, 05:33 PM

Ah, remember when it was looking like it just might be a Denver-Dallas Super Bowl?

I don't. Because I've been calling the Broncos "frauds" since Week 4.

I said it then and I'll say it now: a team that doesn't play defense ain't going very far. And now the rest of the league has caught up to their offense. They haven't scored 20 points in five weeks.

Kaleb

10-23-2008, 05:39 PM

Cautious Saints target Week 12 comeback for vulnerable RB Bush

Reggie Bush

Don’t count on the Saints rushing RB Reggie Bush back into the lineup. The way we hear it, the team will be cautious as he recovers from arthroscopic surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his left knee. Team insiders say the earliest date for Bush’s return is likely Nov. 24 — a Monday-night tilt vs. the Packers. If he remains on schedule, Bush will miss only three games, since New Orleans gets a bye in Week Nine.

Bush suffered the knee injury in Week Seven during a punt return. He completed the return by running out of bounds but pulled up lame on the sideline when something popped in his knee. The third-year veteran underwent surgery Oct. 20 in Birmingham, Ala. This type of surgery is common — Saints DT Sedrick Ellis underwent a procedure to fix his meniscus about three weeks ago and appears close to coming back — but there is an added level of concern about Bush, since he’s the focal point of New Orleans’ offense. Bush is the only player in the league with at least 250 yards each as a receiver, rusher and punt returner.

The unsettling truth for Bush is that knee injuries will be a constant danger for him, and after a certain number of them, the duration of his career will be threatened. This is Bush’s second knee injury in less than a year — he suffered a partially torn posterior cruciate ligament last season, which caused him to miss the final four games. Few running backs his size (203 pounds) are asked to handle such a large workload, and he’s constantly exposed to a harsh beating, which inevitably leads to injuries.

Head coach Sean Payton has made an effort to utilize Bush less on inside runs, and Bush makes a point in his running style to avoid tacklers. However, he needs to continue working on that aspect of his game. Hard hits are unavoidable in football, but he’ll have to do all he can to minimize the number of those he allows his vulnerable frame to sustain.

With Bush on the mend, RB Deuce McAllister will take on a bigger role in the ground game, but he, too, will have to proceed with caution. McAllister suffered his second torn ACL in three years last season.

source: profootballweekly.com

The Game

10-23-2008, 05:40 PM

So he has actually changed his name to Ocho Cinco? What a prick!!

He's having fun, its his name, so let him be

BlackLantern

10-23-2008, 05:42 PM

Edge will always be an Indianapolis COLT-
With the age considerations around Warner, I'd think Edge would have more of a load. Wish we had him back instead of Dom Rhodes

...and by what logic did you work that out? seems to be the same type of logic that Cleveland fans tried to claim Baltimores SB win as their own after the team blew town....

Double Down

10-23-2008, 05:44 PM

...and by what logic did you work that out? seems to be the same type of logic that Cleveland fans tried to claim Baltimores SB win as their own after the team blew town....

No one in Cleveland said it was their own. They said it should have been, that the team left just when it was getting good. That's a huge difference.

BlackLantern

10-23-2008, 05:45 PM

I knew a couple Cleveland fans when I was in the service that claim it as a SB win for Cleveland because Cleveland had no NFL team at that time

Double Down

10-23-2008, 05:48 PM

I live 30 minutes from Cleveland. All of my friends are Browns fans (I am not). But not one of them said what you said. They rooted against the Ravens more than I have ever seen anyone root against any team. They absolutely did not claim that as "their victory." They were depressed and angry when the Ravens won.

BlackLantern

10-23-2008, 05:53 PM

I live 30 minutes from Cleveland.

I'm sorry

Double Down

10-23-2008, 05:56 PM

It's a great place to live.

Double Down

10-23-2008, 06:08 PM

Adam Schefter (http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/)
Patriots work through running back shortage (http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/23/patriots-work-through-running-back-shortage/)

Tom Brady might be the Patriots most disconcerting long-range issue. But their most pressing short-term one for Sunday’s game against the St. Louis Rams is who plays running back.
New England running back LaMont Jordan aggravated his calf injury Wednesday and is unlikely to play Sunday for the third straight week, a league source said.
Also, running back Sammy Morris, who suffered a knee injury Monday night against the Denver Broncos, is expected to be sidelined two to three weeks, said another league source.
Without Jordan, without Morris, and without Laurence Maroney — who was placed on the season-ending injured-reserve list Monday — the Patriots will be forced to rely on running back Kevin Faulk and rookie free agent BenJarvus Green-Ellis. And they already were having to win without Brady.