2008 NFL Thread

[Belvedere]

Poor McFlabb.

[Dark Donnie]

If people are gonna say the Cowboys are done... then they have to say the same for the Eagles... I mean both teams pretty much have the same schedule here on out although Dallas still has to go to Pittsburg. AND the Eagles have yet to win a division game. Looks like they will be a last place team... as I predicted before the season started. Giants will probably be the one seed because the Panthers have not been as consistent as you would like. Arizona probably won't catch the Giants either. Wild Cards... I am really liking the Falcons. I think the Bucs will fall short here... and I think the Redskins will collapse. I still like the Cowboys... but they need the game next week. Good slate of games next sunday:

Balt @ NYG
Chic @ GB
Min @ TB
Den @ Atl
Dal @ Wash

Not to mention a good slate of AFC matchups as well.
I think both teams are gonna miss out of the playoffs personally.
Poor McFlabb.
He's had a pretty good year this year, but this team can't seem to execute when it counts.

There already talking like this might be Reid's last year. I personally wouldn't object as it's been ten years and it might be time for a change. At the same time though is there really anything all that great out there?

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think there is many free coaches out there better than Reid. Maybe none.

[Dark Donnie]

I don't think there is many free coaches out there better than Reid. Maybe none.

The two names that continue to get brought up are Ron Rivera and Steve Spagnuolo two Jim Johnson disciples.

[FaT_tONle]

I think both teams are gonna miss out of the playoffs personally.

Nah... I doubt it. People forget... Cambell himself never took the Skins to the playoffs. He was injured both those years... I think Brunell was their main QB in 2005 and started that playoff game for them. And their backup QB took them there last year. Cambell hasn't proven it yet. And let's not forget the Eagles were 5-6 in 2006 before coming back to win the division at 10-6... probably a distant memory to Eagle fans. We are barely past the midway point.

[Ace of Knaves]

So does anyone fancy the Falcs for the NFC south? I just think after the last two defensive displays (apart from the amount of yards Brees got) and Matt Ryan starting to really roll I think they are gonna be ready for anyone.

[FaT_tONle]

I mean Atlanta dismantled the Saints in a dome building... and I know the Saints have been on and off with their injuries but enough with the excuses... Atlanta is for real. Glad to see young quarterbacks blossoming in the league again.

[Dark Donnie]

Nah... I doubt it. People forget... Cambell himself never took the Skins to the playoffs. He was injured both those years... I think Brunell was their main QB in 2005 and started that playoff game for them. And their backup QB took them there last year. Cambell hasn't proven it yet. And let's not forget the Eagles were 5-6 in 2006 before coming back to win the division at 10-6... probably a distant memory to Eagle fans. We are barely past the midway point.

The Redskins are either teams only hope. Unless they collapse I think making it will be tough.

[Dark Donnie]

I mean Atlanta dismantled the Saints in a dome building... and I know the Saints have been on and off with their injuries but enough with the excuses... Atlanta is for real. Glad to see young quarterbacks blossoming in the league again.

The Saints are pretty banged up, but I do think Atlanta is the better team. Tom Jackson actually made a good point(surprisingly). Atlanta wasn't necessarily a terrible team last year, just surrounded by trouble. With all those distractions gone, and a real leader at QB there winning games.

[Erzengel]

So does anyone fancy the Falcs for the NFC south? I just think after the last two defensive displays (apart from the amount of yards Brees got) and Matt Ryan starting to really roll I think they are gonna be ready for anyone.
I think it's a slim chance that both Wild Card teams will be from the NFC East now. I'm thinking at least one.

I think the Bucs and the Falcons have a real shot, AND they have an easier schedule only have to win 4 of their next 7 games as opposed to the Cowboys and Eagles who must win 5 of their next 7 games.

[BlackLantern]

Giants played an ugly game but got the job done....was there any reason given why JaMarcus Russell didn't play yesterday...

[Dark Donnie]

Giants played an ugly game but got the job done....was there any reason given why JaMarcus Russell didn't play yesterday...

Hurt....

The Raiders worked out JaMarcus Russell (knee tendinitis) prior to Sunday's game before listing him as inactive against Carolina.

"It really didn’t get any better," coach Tom Cable said. "He just couldn’t push off and couldn’t plant. Hopefully we can get over that this week." Russell will resume starting again if healthy after Andrew Walter's dreadful outing.
Source: Oakland Tribune

[FaT_tONle]

I think it's a slim chance that both Wild Card teams will be from the NFC East now. I'm thinking at least one.

I think the Bucs and the Falcons have a real shot, AND they have an easier schedule only have to win 4 of their next 7 games as opposed to the Cowboys and Eagles who must win 5 of their next 7 games.

10-6 is still not a guarantee you will get in.

[Erzengel]

10-6 is still not a guarantee you will get in.
Not a guarantee but more of a shot.

[Belvedere]

I think both teams are gonna miss out of the playoffs personally.

He's had a pretty good year this year, but this team can't seem to execute when it counts.

There already talking like this might be Reid's last year. I personally wouldn't object as it's been ten years and it might be time for a change. At the same time though is there really anything all that great out there?

Sums up McNabb's career pretty nicely.

Also, if this is Andy Reid's last year, I'd love to see Johnson step up into the HC role.

[BlackLantern]

Well McNabb will probably be in Chicago next year....so Philly better get ready for a few years of sub-500 football

[Belvedere]

Well McNabb will probably be in Chicago next year....so Philly better get ready for a few years of sub-500 football

Yeah, D-Wade's going to the Bulls too. :o

Not going to happen, believe me.

[BlackLantern]

McNabb is from Chicago...and I think he is slowly realizing that he has hit the wall in Philly....He will leave the Eagles when his contract is up

[The Game]

Well McNabb will probably be in Chicago next year....so Philly better get ready for a few years of sub-500 football

Here we go again, was this not said last season

[Dark Donnie]

McNabb is from Chicago...and I think he is slowly realizing that he has hit the wall in Philly....He will leave the Eagles when his contract is up

Again, his contract isn't up this year...He is signed through 2012. There is a club option this year at 9 mil, which The Eagles will pick up. They may trade him after that, but it won't be to a NFC team.

[Belvedere]

McNabb is from Chicago...and I think he is slowly realizing that he has hit the wall in Philly....He will leave the Eagles when his contract is up

Barring injuries, he won't be coming to Chicago.

Think about it, why would Chicago want McNabb? He's past his best and has recurring injury problems, you don't want a man made out of glass behind the Bears offensive line, he wouldn't last a season.

I think the Bears are committed to Kyle Orton being their long term starter.

[Erzengel]

There was an video on NFL.com about Andy Reid and him being with the Eagles for 10 years and obviously McNabb being with him for the whole time and how 10 years is a long investment with no win.

Then again McNabb could have won Superbowl 39 if he didn't phone it in and actually ran the ball in himself. :huh:

[BlackLantern]

Everyone said Kurt Warner was past his prime and he's doing OK....and McNabb is twice the athlete Warner is....

[Immortalfire]

Everyone said Kurt Warner was past his prime and he's doing OK....and McNabb is twice the athlete Warner is....
Funny. :woot:

[Dark Donnie]

There was an video on NFL.com about Andy Reid and him being with the Eagles for 10 years and obviously McNabb being with him for the whole time and how 10 years is a long investment with no win.

Then again McNabb could have won Superbowl 39 if he didn't phone it in and actually ran the ball in himself. :huh:

Look at Cowher, similar situation. Was very successful, got his team to the Superbowl, several Conference Championship games, won division titles. It took him like 14-15 years to win a Superbowl. Maybe Reid is a late bloomer:csad:

Reid's main problem is he has become predictable. People know what play is coming, but he's stubborn.

In regards to McNabb. He has several good years left. He's finally healthy this year....this is the most mobile he's been in years. I think The Eagles would be stupid to just let him walk.

[BlackLantern]

maybe Warner is playing well because he is scared of his wife.....

[Double Down]

Everyone said Kurt Warner was past his prime and he's doing OK....and McNabb is twice the athlete Warner is....

McNabb is the far superior "athlete," but Warner is much better at the intangibles. Every coach that has worked with Warner, as well as his fellow QBs on the team, has labled Warner as the smartest QB they have ever worked with.
Also:

Warner has some thinking about Joe Cool ... (http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/016843.html)
Trent Dilfer grew up in Aptos, so he knows that you simply can't throw around His name casually. And by Him, I don't mean the man upstairs. I mean Joe Montana. So it speaks to just how impressive Kurt Warner, the 49ers' Monday night opponent, has been this season when Dilfer the other day drew a comparison between No. 13 and No. 16. Said Dilfer: "As far as the rhythm passing game, he's the best since Joe Montana."
Indeed, words like "rhythm" and "comfortable" and "calmness" seem to pop up when people are describing Warner this season. After eight games, Warner has an unbelievable 69.9 completion rate, which is the best in the NFL and the best in his career. He's being mentioned as a potential MVP. And if the perennially woeful Cardinals go on to win the division, it will be hard to argue against him.

[Dark Donnie]

maybe Warner is playing well because he is scared of his wife.....

Any woman that has the same haircut as there husband means business

[BlackLantern]

Any woman that has a penis and the same haircut as there husband means business

Fixed:oldrazz:

[Shemtov]

good day for mannings.......

[bunk]

Ha ha I just looked up Warner's wife...yeah, not so much.

Jeff Garcia's wife however... damn.

[Go Web Go!]

Ha ha I just looked up Warner's wife...yeah, not so much.

Jeff Garcia's wife however... damn.


Yeah, she's cute. I can't overlook those beef curtains though. :o

[bunk]

Yeah, she's cute. I can't overlook those beef curtains though. :o


I'm afraid my research didn't go beyond seeing a headshot lol.

[Erzengel]

Look at Cowher, similar situation. Was very successful, got his team to the Superbowl, several Conference Championship games, won division titles. It took him like 14-15 years to win a Superbowl. Maybe Reid is a late bloomer:csad:

Reid's main problem is he has become predictable. People know what play is coming, but he's stubborn.

In regards to McNabb. He has several good years left. He's finally healthy this year....this is the most mobile he's been in years. I think The Eagles would be stupid to just let him walk.
You may have a point with Cowher if Philadelphia wasn't such an unforgiving city. I think Pittsburgh is more patient and loyal than Philadelphia. While I agree that McNabb is the QB they probably have to stick with, I'm wondering how many more seasons need to go by before they get rid of Reid. Maybe Reid isn't the coach to get the job done there. :huh:

[Dark Donnie]

You may have a point with Cowher if Philadelphia wasn't such an unforgiving city. I think Pittsburgh is more patient and loyal than Philadelphia. While I agree that McNabb is the QB they probably have to stick with, I'm wondering how many more seasons need to go by before they get rid of Reid. Maybe Reid isn't the coach to get the job done there. :huh:

I think with Pittsburgh the loyalty lies with Rooney(owner). He seems to have great relationships with the coaches he has and rides it out with them. I don't know the numbers for sure but they've only had 3 coaches I can remember over the last 30 some odd years at least. He seems to always pick winners, but also gives them time to become great coaches.

Reid doesn't seem to be growing any longer as a coach. His playcalling has grown tiresome and predictable and his job with personel has been pretty bad. He really hasn't done a bad job of surrounding McNabb with playmakers. Outside of drafting Westbrook and DeSean Jackson he's had little in regards to a #1 one target(outside of T.O. obviously). I'd like to see give up play calling duties to Morningweig.

[Alex The Great]

It's going to be intresting to see how Tim Hightowr does against the 49ers. They can't stop the run to save there life :hehe:

[Erzengel]

I think with Pittsburgh the loyalty lies with Rooney(owner). He seems to have great relationships with the coaches he has and rides it out with them. I don't know the numbers for sure but they've only had 3 coaches I can remember over the last 30 some odd years at least. He seems to always pick winners, but also gives them time to become great coaches.

Reid doesn't seem to be growing any longer as a coach. His playcalling has grown tiresome and predictable and his job with personel has been pretty bad. He really hasn't done a bad job of surrounding McNabb with playmakers. Outside of drafting Westbrook and DeSean Jackson he's had little in regards to a #1 one target(outside of T.O. obviously). I'd like to see give up play calling duties to Morningweig.

And Reid looks like someone who lures kids into a white van. Just saying. :o

[Alex The Great]

The Atlanta Falcons are Under Rated :o

[Double Down]

ESPN is calling the Cardinals' offense "The Greatest Show on Sand."
Pretty lame.

[Alex The Great]

Ok....


Well, they DO have a great Offense.

[BlackLantern]

Matt Leinart...."I don't play Quarterback...I just bang *****es and drink"

[Double Down]

Ok....


Well, they DO have a great Offense.

Yes, but they don't actually play on sand -- unlike the "Greatest Show on Turf."
It's a reach. I know they are trying to sell the game, but ...

[Alex The Great]

I need Tim Hightower to get 24 fantasy Points for me to win my SHHFL Game! :cmad:

[Double Down]

Hopefully, the Cardinals will catch the 49ers with their pants down tonight (yeah, I said it).

[Alex The Great]

I need that to happen :csad:

[BlackLantern]

I need that to happen :csad:

You want to see Mike Singletary with his pants down??

[Alex The Great]

mmmmmmmNo :o

[Double Down]

You want to see Mike Singletary with his pants down??

He didn't say he wants it, he said he needs it.

[Alex The Great]

By Me I mean Erzengel :o

[Erzengel]

Dude, I'm a the top of this page?

How can you still not post my name correctly? :huh:

[Alex The Great]

I see No Mistake :lips:

[Erzengel]

Well your grammar is atrocious. :huh:

[Alex The Great]

So is your face :cmad:


:csad:

[Excel]

Adalius Thomas is out for the season.

Brady. Maroney. Harrison. and now Adalius Prime.

What in the world!!!

[Alex The Great]

So Excel, Will you now admit defeat?

[Erzengel]

I hate not having the NFL network. I'd love to see the Jets game this Thursday and the Steelers next Thursday. :down

[StorminNorman]

Kurt Warner: Hall of Famer?

Yes or No?

[Excel]

Hes on the bubble.

So Excel, Will you now admit defeat?

:lmao:

[Ace of Knaves]

Yes.

[Double Down]

Yes.

[Double Down]

The only knock against Warner will be number of games played, but he has made the most of the games he has been in. For example, from the Mercury News:
If the movie title wasn't already taken, "300" would be a good name for the Kurt Warner story.
The Arizona Cardinals maestro has 45 career 300-yard passing games. That's impressive, considering he has played in only 101.
It means Warner posts a 300-yard game 44.6 percent of the time, by far the highest percentage among prolific passers.
Dan Marino (63 career 300-yard games) did it 26 percent of the time, Brett Favre (55) checks in at 20.8 percent, Dan Fouts (51) at 28.2 percent, Warren Moon (49) at 23.6 and Peyton Manning (44) at 26.2.
Warner, 37, is in the mix for a third MVP award, having won the honor in 1999 and 2001.
This season, he leads the NFL in completion percentage (69.9) and ranks second in passer rating (104.2) and third in passing yards (2,431) and touchdown passes (16).

[Double Down]

Plus, keep in mind that personality plays a part in Hall of Fame voting, too. Aside from all of the prolific numbers he has, Warner is extremely well-respected by his fellow players, by coaches and by journalists. He does a lot of interviews and he is constantly doing community service. That kind of stuff can help someone considered "borderline."

[BlackLantern]

Kurt Warner...Yes....totally....with his ree ree kids on stage with him trying to ride Chris Carter like a horsie

[Alex The Great]

Yes

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea it's about being a great guy off the field as much as on it IMO.

[FaT_tONle]

I hate not having the NFL network. I'd love to see the Jets game this Thursday and the Steelers next Thursday. :down

That's too bad... o well. The Thursday night package ain't that good this year... a lot of good teams versus a lot of bad teams... this is a big game though... two seed in the AFC still very much up for grabs... Patriots or Jets could easily get a bye... but they have to win here. Too bad not many people will be able to see it.

As far as Warner... you could make the argument... if he wins another MVP... that he was as good as Farve without the longevity... that counts for something. Maybe even a first ballot... if Dan Fouts gets in then Warner will get in.

[Belvedere]

Kurt Warner first ballot? Shame on you. :(

[Double Down]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/Fouts_Dan_Induction_180-220-1.jpg

[Alex The Great]

Kurt Warner first ballot? Shame on you. :(
You are just a bitter bears fan! :cmad:

[Double Down]

Kurt Warner first ballot? Shame on you. :(

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/blahblahblah.jpg

[Alex The Great]

Who would win in a fight? Kurt Warner or Brett Favre?

[Double Down]

From Rotowrold.com:
Jets agreed to terms with free agent DB Ty Law, according to NFL Network's Adam Schefter.
Law will be used at cornerback and safety, which makes sense considering his excellent tackling ability and poor speed.

[BlackLantern]

Who would win in a fight? Kurt Warner or Brett Favre?

better question....who wins in a fight...Deanna Favre or Brenda Warner?

[Double Down]

I'm sort of surprised it took so long for Law to find a team.

[Mee]

Who would win in a fight? Kurt Warner or Brett Favre?
Favre, easy.



"See, he hits him with the right, and then the left, andhubabubba then BOOM the right again! If he takes a hit, hurburdur that could really hurt, but hurburdur he doesn't!"
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/Jake-/madden.jpg

[Alex The Great]

Ty Law was a FA? I didn't even know.....



He should have gone to the patriots! :cmad:

[Alex The Great]

Favre, easy.



"See, he hits him with the right, and then the left, andhubabubba then BOOM the right again! If he takes a hit, hurburdur that could really hurt, but hurburdur he doesn't!"
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/Jake-/madden.jpg
The Winner gets free Turducken :o

[Double Down]

Cripes, man. John Madden just broke out of my computer monitor.

[Double Down]

Ty Law was a FA? I didn't even know.....



He should have gone to the patriots! :cmad:

Law was born near Pittsburgh, and a lot of people thought he was going to the Steelers. But it never happened for some reason.

[Belvedere]

You are just a bitter bears fan! :cmad:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/blahblahblah.jpg

If he had been consistent, or even average outside of these years in St. Louis (which were admittedly amazing), I would think of him as a shoe-in for the HOF, however he got hurt in 2002 and spent a few years in limbo and ultimately I think that will cost him.

It all depends on how long he's with the Cardinals and if he can stay consistent and injury free, if he plays another 2-3 years at the same level I think he could get in.

And please, Dan Fouts is an entirely different situation; they passed the ball alot less then and yet he managed to put together the first two 4000 yards passing seasons back to back, also at the time he retired he was only the third QB with 40,000 passing yards.

[Double Down]

George still hopes to play

Jeff George (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=520) - QB - OAK (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=OAK) - Nov. 10 - 2:23 pm et Free agent Jeff George is still hoping to catch on with an NFL team this season.
"I find it hard to believe there isn't a place in the game for me. My arm feels like I'm 25," he told SI.com's Peter King. "I'm not asking to be a starter, I just want a spot on a team." George turns 42 in December. While Jason Whitlock would disagree, it's probably time for George to move on.

[BlackLantern]

^^Al Davis might be interested

[Double Down]

What's one more malcontent?

[Alex The Great]

^^Al Davis might be interested
Al Davis probably think he'll bring the Raiders to Victory!

[Dr. Evil]

George still hopes to play

Jeff George (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=520) - QB - OAK (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=OAK) - Nov. 10 - 2:23 pm et Free agent Jeff George is still hoping to catch on with an NFL team this season.
"I find it hard to believe there isn't a place in the game for me. My arm feels like I'm 25," he told SI.com's Peter King. "I'm not asking to be a starter, I just want a spot on a team." George turns 42 in December. While Jason Whitlock would disagree, it's probably time for George to move on.

Is he only doing this just to prove he isn't a first round flop?

He will forever be known for a nationally televised shouting match with June Jones.

[Go Web Go!]

George still hopes to play

Jeff George (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=520) - QB - OAK (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=OAK) - Nov. 10 - 2:23 pm et Free agent Jeff George is still hoping to catch on with an NFL team this season.
"I find it hard to believe there isn't a place in the game for me. My arm feels like I'm 25," he told SI.com's Peter King. "I'm not asking to be a starter, I just want a spot on a team." George turns 42 in December. While Jason Whitlock would disagree, it's probably time for George to move on.

Please, just go away.

[Alex The Great]

What the ****?!?!?!

[Bond]

I really like Singletary as a coach for some reason.

I also really like Tim Hightower.

[Cmill216]

How was that an incompletion on that sideline play? The dude had control of the ball when his knee went down out of bounds. He should be technically "down" at that point. :huh:

[Alex The Great]

I really like Singletary as a coach for some reason.

I also really like James Hightower.
1. Same
2. it's TIM Hightower :hehe:
How was that an incompletion on that sideline play? The dude had control of the ball when his knee went down out of bounds. He should be technically "down" at that point. :huh:
I agree, he was in!

[Bond]

1. Same
2. it's TIM Hightower :hehe:

I agree, he was in!

I edited. :o

I always think his name is James because when they talk about the Cards running game they usually say "James, Hightower" because of Edgerrin.

[Alex The Great]

I know :yay:

[Alex The Great]

San Fran has come to play!

[Immortalfire]

AZ better get their heads in the game.

[Immortalfire]

George still hopes to play

Jeff George (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=520) - QB - OAK (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=OAK) - Nov. 10 - 2:23 pm et Free agent Jeff George is still hoping to catch on with an NFL team this season.
"I find it hard to believe there isn't a place in the game for me. My arm feels like I'm 25," he told SI.com's Peter King. "I'm not asking to be a starter, I just want a spot on a team." George turns 42 in December. While Jason Whitlock would disagree, it's probably time for George to move on.

Either the Raiders, Lions or Chiefs will give him a call.

[Alex The Great]

this is going to be a good game :wow:

[Excel]

This is the 1st Ive seen of the Cards; their passing attack looks scary :eek: :eek:

[FaT_tONle]

I just got word that Zorn threw away the bye week by giving his players the week off... I get that they are 6-3 and all... and they earned the week off... but I mean you just get utterly embarassed by the Steelers at home... and you are looking at a desperate Dallas team the following week who also coming off a bye... that's Zorn for you... that garbage would never happen under Gibbs... and thank God... because I am growing more and more confident that the Cowboys will rape the Skins next Sunday Night...

[BlackLantern]

This is a pretty good game so far

[The Game]

Aww aint that sweet they are all hugs again

[Alex The Great]

21-13

[Excel]

EXCLLENT game, they are both playing very well.

Davis just Mossed that guy.

[Alex The Great]

Did ESPN just show CFL highlights? :dry:

[FaT_tONle]

Did ESPN just show CFL highlights? :dry:

Let's see what the alternatives are... MLS (a joke)... NHL (not even at the midway point)... NBA (season is only a few weeks old)... I am suprised the CFL isn't the fourth or fifth sport this time of year in the U.S.

[Alex The Great]

21-20 :eek:

[Mister J]

All I need is for Oakland to give Jeff George a phone call.

George still hopes to play

Jeff George (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=520) - QB - OAK (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=OAK) - Nov. 10 - 2:23 pm et Free agent Jeff George is still hoping to catch on with an NFL team this season.
"I find it hard to believe there isn't a place in the game for me. My arm feels like I'm 25," he told SI.com's Peter King. "I'm not asking to be a starter, I just want a spot on a team." George turns 42 in December. While Jason Whitlock would disagree, it's probably time for George to move on.
PleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePlease. :hehe:

[Dark Donnie]

What a terrible call

[Alex The Great]

You got to be ****ing kidding me!

[Alex The Great]

Fumble! :eek:

[NewYorkSpider]

This has been a pretty good game.

[Go Web Go!]

Refs are struggling a bit, eh?

[NewYorkSpider]

Refs are struggling a bit, eh?

They must be students of Ed Hochli.

[The Apocalypse]

YES!!!!!

Awesome game.

[Alex The Great]

Go Cardinals!

Wait, if theyw in this game do they clinch the division?

[Alex The Great]

No good....

[The Apocalypse]

Go Cardinals!

Wait, if theyw in this game do they clinch the division?

I don't believe so.

Neil Rackers....tackle. Nice! :oldrazz:

[Mister J]

Jeebus, Hill. :dry:

[Go Web Go!]

Wow, what the hell? I've been watching this game for 15 minutes and this d-bag QB has thrown 4 or 5 INT's, though only one counted against San Fran. Terrible. Ugh.

[Excel]

sf has played well....until that.

[The Apocalypse]

Wow, what the hell? I've been watching this game for 15 minutes and this d-bag QB has thrown 4 or 5 INT's, though only one counted against San Fran. Terrible. Ugh.

Yeah, he's thrown some horrid passes.

[The Apocalypse]

:dry:

Why? Just Why?

[Double Down]

Oh.my.God.

[NewYorkSpider]

The 49ers should have spiked it there at the end to set up a better play.

[Mister J]

I started to question why SF would choose to run twice, as opposed to taking three shots to the end zone via the pass

...then I remembered what type of QB play Hill has provided.

[The Chris]

What in the hell just happened? I'm confused.

[Dr. Evil]

They threw 40 times.....typical Mike Martz.

[FaT_tONle]

That was one weird ass game... Singletary needs to be fired... as should Mike Martz... who is a cancer. Wow that was pathetic...

This is how you do it Singletary/Martz....

2nd & Goal... PASS THE ****ING FOOTBALL
3rd & Goal... RUN/Spike
4th & Goal... Run/Pass

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out... what a disgrace...

[Immortalfire]

Freakin good game :up:

[Dr. Evil]

Mike Martz would make a great college coach, since Martz loves to throw the football 90% of the time.

[NewYorkSpider]

What in the hell just happened? I'm confused.


The ending was weird as hell. I'm confused on the final 10 seconds. When Gore ran the ball and missed the endzone, the offense then reset and spiked the ball for 4th down. After they did that, the referee's blew the whistle for the play to be reviewed. I thought you couldn't review a play after the next play has been snapped? After they reviewed the play, they said the clock will start on my signal. I thought that was a bit weird.

[Mister J]

You're right on the interpretation of the review, NYS. What happened was that they ruled that the replay was called for before the spike. The last play of the game was SF's 3rd down.

[The Riddler]

i'm a niner fan, have been and always will be.

what i can't understand is after taking a run at it with gore, why do you try and run on your last play of the game TWO AND A HALF yards out from the endzone against a goal line formation with michael robinson!? you have to take a shot through the air in that case or at least let gore take a shot at it (he almost scored previously). if it were a yard or so out, it'd make more sense, but running it from 2.5 yards is really pushing it.

also, they were absolutely retarded when running down the clock. yeah you are in position to score, but you don't run it down to TWENTY seconds. just poor execution.

i knew we were in for rough times when we didn't draft aaron rodgers back in 2005 but this sucks.

[NewYorkSpider]

You're right on the interpretation of the review, NYS. What happened was that they ruled that the replay was called for before the spike. The last play of the game was SF's 3rd down.

Thanks. I must not have heard the whistle before they snapped the ball. I just found that a little confusing there at the end.

[Dr. Evil]

My condolences go out to Niners fans who have an offense run by this doofus:

http://www.49ers.com/nm_files/Image/Mug%20Shots/08/martz.jpg

[Go Web Go!]

My condolences go out to Niners fans who have an offense run by this doofus:

http://www.49ers.com/nm_files/Image/Mug%20Shots/08/martz.jpg

Mrs. Doubtfire?

[LostSon88]

That was one weird ass game... Singletary needs to be fired... as should Mike Martz... who is a cancer. Wow that was pathetic...

This is how you do it Singletary/Martz....

2nd & Goal... PASS THE ****ING FOOTBALL
3rd & Goal... RUN/Spike
4th & Goal... Run/Pass

It doesn't take a genius to figure that out... what a disgrace...

I put more of the blame on Martz than I do Singletary...this is the same guy who swore JT O'Sullivan would be our savior.

Hell, without Singletary leading the charge, I honestly don't think this game would've been much of a contest.

He might not have all the technical aspects of being the Head Coach down, but he definitely brings the right attitude to my home team.

And for now, i'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Darthphere]

You're right on the interpretation of the review, NYS. What happened was that they ruled that the replay was called for before the spike. The last play of the game was SF's 3rd down.

Is it typical however that after a booth review that they have to start the play clock on the refs whistle like that? Doesn't a booth review just, you know, stop the clock?

Either way, the Cardinals are who they thought they were.:huh:

[FaT_tONle]

They spiked it with 20 seconds left... they should have spiked it with around 30-35 seconds left... why it takes someone that long to spike is beyond me... but even then... you have to run three plays there. If you run on 2nd down, get stopped, then spike it that's a waste of a down... and that's what they tried to do... but too much time had expired at that point. I just can't fathom how you don't pass on second down... even if you get sacked or the receiver catches it in bounds but falls short of the goal line... you could call another quick passing play into the endzone and have about two or three seconds left... on fourth down you can go run/pass... whichever. You can't waste a down there... if I were a 49er fan... I am happy my team is not in playoff contention because that is just an awful way to lose.

[Darthphere]

They spiked it with 20 seconds left... they should have spiked it with around 30-35 seconds left... why it takes someone that long to spike is beyond me... but even then... you have to run three plays there. If you run on 2nd down, get stopped, then spike it that's a waste of a down... and that's what they tried to do... but too much time had expired at that point. I just can't fathom how you don't pass on second down... even if you get sacked or the receiver catches it in bounds but falls short of the goal line... you could call another quick passing play into the endzone and have about two or three seconds left... on fourth down you can go run/pass... whichever. You can't waste a down there... if I were a 49er fan... I am happy my team is not in playoff contention because that is just an awful way to lose.

I wish I was on the sideline because it's clear that either Hill was confused or the coaches weren't sending the right signals. It seemed like he was running up to the line to call a play but let 15 seconds run off the clock before spiking it. Thats just inexperience right there. Call a play or spike it, at that point, you're the QB, you're the leader of the offense, you have to know the situation and make a decision, not wait for a coach to decide what the hell he wants to do.

[The Game]

Whats up with Warner wearing gloves on both hands? I was taught, wearing gloves hinders a QB

[Silver Knight]

Cards are going to go deep in the playoffs I think.

[Darthphere]

Yes, it really hindered Tom Brady for all these years.

[FaT_tONle]

And not that I am saying anything new... but if Kornheiser doesn't get the big boot up the ass from the MNF booth by the end of the year... God help us... "The game is over..." and there is still a minute left... what a joke...

Cards are going to go deep in the playoffs I think.

Doubt it.

[Darthphere]

And not that I am saying anything new... but if Kornheiser doesn't get the big boot up the ass from the MNF booth by the end of the year... God help us... "The game is over..." and there is still a minute left... what a joke...

He was right though.:o

[Dark Donnie]

Whats up with Warner wearing gloves on both hands? I was taught, wearing gloves hinders a QB

For like a 2 year period Warner did nothing but fumble. He had some issue with his grip.

[The Game]

For like a 2 year period Warner did nothing but fumble. He had some issue with his grip.

Ah I see now.

[Mister J]

Kurt Warner: 46 times passing for 300+ yards in 102 games. That's just stupid.

Is it typical however that after a booth review that they have to start the play clock on the refs whistle like that? Doesn't a booth review just, you know, stop the clock?

Either way, the Cardinals are who they thought they were.:huh:
I thought that's how it always was, so that the game was essentially under the same conditions after the review as it was before. I can't say for sure, because I've never seen a review come under a running clock with 4 seconds left, but it seemed like a good interpretation.

If they had lost, that sound bite would have been played relentlessly ...even more so than normally. :word:

[Darthphere]

I bet they run the 2 minute drill all week in practice.

[Silver Knight]

And not that I am saying anything new... but if Kornheiser doesn't get the big boot up the ass from the MNF booth by the end of the year... God help us... "The game is over..." and there is still a minute left... what a joke...



Doubt it.
Want to bet on it?

[Erzengel]

Tony Kornheiser is an idiot. :(

[Double Down]

Now that everyone has had their bye, Pro Football Weekly's Week 10 MVP Meter
1. Cardinals QB Kurt Warner — A near-perfect Monday-night performance vaults Warner, the league’s highest-rated QB, to the top.
2. Saints QB Drew Brees — Season-high three picks, loss in Atlanta knock him down a peg. He racked up 422 passing yards, but they had little impact on the outcome and only led to 20 points.
3. Redskins RB Clinton Portis — On bye.
4. Chargers QB Philip Rivers — Four of his eight interceptions have come in the last three games, so he needs to clean up the sloppiness. He still leads the league with 21 TD passes and his next one will tie a career high.
5. Vikings RB Adrian Peterson — He has carried the Vikings back into contention in the NFC North.
6. Dolphins OLB Joey Porter — Porter should let his play, rather than his mouth, do the talking — his league-high 12 sacks are louder than any words.
7. Falcons DE John Abraham — Made his NFC-best 11th sack and helped Drew Brees uncharacteristically unravel in Falcons’ 34-20 win.
8. Titans DT Albert Haynesworth — I know how great he is, but numbers do matter, and right now, Haynesworth doesn’t have them. He no longer leads DTs in tackles or sacks.
9. Steelers OLB James Harrison — He sacked Peyton Manning, giving him 11 on the season — only Joey Porter has more — and also had two other tackles for loss.
10. Broncos QB Jay Cutler — In addition to three TDs, Cutler threw for more yards in the fourth quarter (204) vs. the Browns than 13 other starters in the league had through an entire game in Week 10.

[Double Down]

Seriously, why is Brees even in the discussion? Three quarterbacks have more TDs, only five QBs have thrown more interceptions, and he is on a losing team that is in last place in its division. He has a lot of passing yards, but a fair amount of those are empty yards at the ends of games the Saints are losing. The Saints would still be in last place without him, meaning he is not all that "valuable," and his numbers don't blow away the competition. Cutler's numbers are comparable to Brees' and the Broncos are in first, Cutler should be ahead of Brees, for one.
But I think it is pretty clear that the award is Warner's to lose. The Cardinals are not 6-3 because of their running game, special teams or defense (as the nation saw last night).

[Ace of Knaves]

Does it have a Rookie of the year meter?

[Double Down]

Does it have a Rookie of the year meter?

No, but it is a two-man race at this point: Matt Ryan or Chris Johnson.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well i'm a bit bias but.............MATT RYAN!!! :D

[Double Down]

Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Week Weekly Winners


Week 1: Eddie Royal, WR, Denver Broncos (http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies&season=2008&seasonType=REG&week=1)


Week 2: Felix Jones, RB, Dallas Cowboys (http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies&season=2008&seasonType=REG&week=2)


Week 3: Felix Jones, RB, Dallas Cowboys (http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies&season=2008&seasonType=REG&week=3)


Week 4: Chris Horton, S, Washington Redskins (http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies&season=2008&seasonType=REG&week=4)


Week 5: Felix Jones, RB, Dallas Cowboys (http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies&season=2008&seasonType=REG&week=5)


Week 6: Matt Ryan, QB, Atlanta Falcons (http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies&season=2008&seasonType=REG&week=6)


Week 7: Chris Johnson, RB, Tennessee Titans (http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies&season=2008&seasonType=REG&week=7)


Week 8: Joe Flacco, QB, Baltimore Ravens (http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies&season=2008&seasonType=REG&week=8)


Week 9: Chris Johnson, RB, Tennessee Titans (http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies&season=2008&seasonType=REG&week=9)

[FaT_tONle]

Want to bet on it?

How are you gonna convince me that a team with zero playoff experience outside of Warner... a coaching staff that has made some bonehead decisions in some tight games... and a team as one dimensional as they are will be a team that goes deep into the playoffs? There are a number of teams that are better right now... Tampa is better... Redskins are better. Philli and Dallas when healthy are dangerous. Hell even Atlanta is playing better than the Cardinals. Whoever they play in that wild card round will beat them IMO. It will be a tight game but I think the Cardinals will lose regardless. Now maybe they get lucky and win one playoff game... but going into Carolina and especially New York... a team with no experience has a .01% chance of winning that game. Now they can still clinch a bye so this may all be a mute point... but I believe they lost a head-to-head tie breaker to the Panthers earlier in the year.

[Double Down]

If Felix Jones wouldn't have gotten injured, he definitely would have been in the race. And it's interesting that Ryan has only won the Rookie of the Week award once this season (although the second time may be coming after Week 10).
Here are the Week 10 nominees:

BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RB, New England Patriots
Green-Ellis rushed for 105 yards and a touchdown on 26 carries in the Patriots' 20-10 win over the AFC East rival Buffalo Bills.

Joe Flacco, QB, Baltimore Ravens
Flacco completed 15 of 23 passes for 185 yards and two touchdowns in the Ravens' 41-13 win over the Houston Texans.

Jake Long, T, Miami Dolphins
Long was part of an offensive line that led a running game that amassed 155 yards and two touchdowns on 27 attempts (5.7-yard average) and allowed only two sacks in the Dolphins' 21-19 win over the Seattle Seahawks.

Eddie Royal, WR, Denver Broncos
Royal totaled 164 receiving yards on six receptions, including a 93-yard touchdown catch in the Broncos’ 34–30 win over the Cleveland Browns on NFL Network’s Thursday Night Football.

Matt Ryan, QB, Atlanta Falcons
Ryan completed 16 of 23 passes for 248 yards and two touchdowns in the Falcons' 34-20 win over the New Orleans Saints.

[Ace of Knaves]

I've just watched the highlights of the Arizona-San Fran game, Anquon Boldin is a frickin beast!!!

[Ace of Knaves]

If Felix Jones wouldn't have gotten injured, he definitely would have been in the race. And it's interesting that Ryan has only won the Rookie of the Week award once this season (although the second time may be coming after Week 10).
Here are the Week 10 nominees:

BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RB, New England Patriots
Green-Ellis rushed for 105 yards and a touchdown on 26 carries in the Patriots' 20-10 win over the AFC East rival Buffalo Bills.

Joe Flacco, QB, Baltimore Ravens
Flacco completed 15 of 23 passes for 185 yards and two touchdowns in the Ravens' 41-13 win over the Houston Texans.

Jake Long, T, Miami Dolphins
Long was part of an offensive line that led a running game that amassed 155 yards and two touchdowns on 27 attempts (5.7-yard average) and allowed only two sacks in the Dolphins' 21-19 win over the Seattle Seahawks.

Eddie Royal, WR, Denver Broncos
Royal totaled 164 receiving yards on six receptions, including a 93-yard touchdown catch in the Broncos’ 34–30 win over the Cleveland Browns on NFL Network’s Thursday Night Football.

Matt Ryan, QB, Atlanta Falcons
Ryan completed 16 of 23 passes for 248 yards and two touchdowns in the Falcons' 34-20 win over the New Orleans Saints.

I like Eddie Royal aswell, I see him becoming THE wide receiver in a few years time. If he can bulk up a bit that is.

[Double Down]

How are you gonna convince me that a team with zero playoff experience outside of Warner... a coaching staff that has made some bonehead decisions in some tight games... and a team as one dimensional as they are will be a team that goes deep into the playoffs? There are a number of teams that are better right now... Tampa is better... Redskins are better. Philli and Dallas when healthy are dangerous. Hell even Atlanta is playing better than the Cardinals. Whoever they play in that wild card round will beat them IMO. It will be a tight game but I think the Cardinals will lose regardless. Now maybe they get lucky and win one playoff game... but going into Carolina and especially New York... a team with no experience has a .01% chance of winning that game. Now they can still clinch a bye so this may all be a mute point... but I believe they lost a head-to-head tie breaker to the Panthers earlier in the year.

The odds against the Cardinals winning in Carolina or New York are 10,000 to 1? Where do you come up with this garbage?

[Dark Donnie]

Chris Johnson should be in the lead for ROY

[Ace of Knaves]

What even though he got about 15 yards off about 15 carries the other day?

[Double Down]

I think it is going to be a close race. If I voted, I would pick Ryan. But if the Titans actually went undefeated, and Johnson plays well, that might be how they reward the Titans, hardware-wise.

[Belvedere]

God, I hate that Matt Forte gets overlooked whenever people talk about ROY.

[LegendaryCaleb]

God, I hate that Matt Forte gets overlooked whenever people talk about ROY.
yeah me too...the guy has played great from day one

[Double Down]

What even though he got about 15 yards off about 15 carries the other day?

It was worse than that. It was 8 yards on 14 attempts.

[Double Down]

God, I hate that Matt Forte gets overlooked whenever people talk about ROY.

Forte's numbers are definitely comparable to Johnson's, but I never hear anyone pick Forte as their Rookie of the Year. I always hear Johnson or Ryan.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not overlooking Forte, it's him or Ryan for me. Hasn't Forte got 1000 yards rushing and receiving already? Combined I mean.

[Double Down]

I'm not overlooking Forte, it's him or Ryan for me. Hasn't Forte got 1000 yards rushing and receiving already? Combined I mean.

Almost.

[Dark Donnie]

Forte's numbers are definitely comparable to Johnson's, but I never hear anyone pick Forte as their Rookie of the Year. I always hear Johnson or Ryan.

Agreed...if the season ended today it would come down to Johnson or Ryan. Johnson has had a great season despite splitting carries with Landwhale

[Belvedere]

Forte's numbers are definitely comparable to Johnson's, but I never hear anyone pick Forte as their Rookie of the Year. I always hear Johnson or Ryan.

I'm clearly biased, but I think Matt Forte's the better of the two backs, he's far more complete.

I'm not overlooking Forte, it's him or Ryan for me. Hasn't Forte got 1000 yards rushing and receiving already? Combined I mean.

He's on 995 total yards, at the moment.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I do like Forte, he's like a cat or something.

Off topic, what do you guys reckon of Jerious Norwood?

[Double Down]

As of right now, the most wide open race of the year has to be Coach of the Year. There are an awful lot of candidates, including Smith in Atlanta, Fisher in Tennessee, Sparano in Miami, Zorn in Washington, Whisenhunt in Arizona, Coughlin in New York, and Harbaugh in Baltimore -- although I think it will come down to one of the first four.

[Ace of Knaves]

I like Smith, what he has brought to Atlanta is brilliant, he just needs to aquire some better defensive players or hopefully the rookies will step up next year.
How many yards have ATL got on offense?

[Immortalfire]

As of right now, the most wide open race of the year has to be Coach of the Year. There are an awful lot of candidates, including Smith in Atlanta, Fisher in Tennessee, Sparano in Miami, Zorn in Washington, Whisenhunt in Arizona, Coughlin in New York, and Harbaugh in Baltimore -- although I think it will come down to one of the first four.

If things keep going the way they are, I'd say either Smith or Fisher.

[Dr. Evil]

I would pick:

Mike Smith

[Double Down]

Charley Casserly of CBS Sports just did a column and he listed all of my candidates (except Coughlin) as the runners-up for the award to Bill Belichick.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/11098270

[Double Down]

As of right now, the most wide open race of the year has to be Coach of the Year. There are an awful lot of candidates, including Smith in Atlanta, Fisher in Tennessee, Sparano in Miami, Zorn in Washington, Whisenhunt in Arizona, Coughlin in New York, and Harbaugh in Baltimore -- although I think it will come down to one of the first four.

I should have mentioned that I put them in order of likeliness to win, in my opinion.

[KALEL114]

Much to the Patriots’ chagrin, the reports are accurate. Pro Bowl linebacker Adalius Thomas will have season-ending surgery tomorrow for his broken forearm, a league source confirmed Tuesday.

Thomas’ surgery is the latest blow to a team that already has lost quarterback Tom Brady, running back Laurence Maroney and safety Rodney Harrison to season-ending injuries.

But the Patriots have overcome those other losses; no one will be surprised if they do it again.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/

[Double Down]

From Rotoworld.com:
With Denver's backfield wrecked by injuries, Tatum Bell is scheduled to workout Tuesday for the Broncos.

Peyton Hillis fever subsiding? Bell was a second-round pick by the Broncos in 2004 and had a 1,000-yard season for them in 2006 before being dealt to the Lions for Dre Bly. He was cut loose in September and made headlines for allegedly stealing Rudi Johnson's luggage, but the Broncos are pretty desperate and Bell could jump right into the mix for carries.

[Erzengel]

I think I'll have to find a bar playing that game on Thursday.

[Immortalfire]

Randy Moss fined 20,000 by the NFL for bashing the refs.

It's been rescinded.. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-moss-finerescinded&prov=ap&type=lgns

[The Game]

Much to the Patriots’ chagrin, the reports are accurate. Pro Bowl linebacker Adalius Thomas will have season-ending surgery tomorrow for his broken forearm, a league source confirmed Tuesday.

Thomas’ surgery is the latest blow to a team that already has lost quarterback Tom Brady, running back Laurence Maroney and safety Rodney Harrison to season-ending injuries.

But the Patriots have overcome those other losses; no one will be surprised if they do it again.

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/

aww man, another injury damn. Adam Schefter looks like a sleazy lawyer

[Double Down]

There is a web site called "Right Fielders" that tries to "reduce social stigmas for women in a way that is both thought-provoking and culturally beneficial." Therefore, they explain "manly stuff" to women. My favorite part is when they describe the following: "he touched-down for the third time with just four minutes left in the game." Baseball players are called "baseballers" and other such fun stuff.


Meet Kurt Warner, an American professional football quarterback who plays for the Arizona (http://click.adbrite.com/mb/click.php?sid=795024&banner_id=11948581&variation_id=946263&uts=1226429975&cpc=302e303633&keyword_id=30002&inline=y&zk_id=35048263&ab=168362080&sscup=c11fb475812b2ccc394f414c22b19368&sscra=ee6865a5d9dcfa625c0c1ff44de52285&ub=1671156787&guid=e8fabde6d5d26d4089fad557fb792f1a&rs=&r=) Cardinals in NFL. He is the second-most accurate quarterback in NFL history.


http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/Kurt_Warner.jpg

Kurt Warner


Warner was the hero of the Cardinals 29-24 win over (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aUOsLw3rEaRQ&refer=home) San Francisco 49ers in a NFL match when he touched-down for the third time (http://click.adbrite.com/mb/click.php?sid=795024&banner_id=11097038&variation_id=253424&uts=1226429928&cpc=302e323933&keyword_id=62749&inline=y&zk_id=35048263&ab=168362068&sscup=dee2bda04a68c88eb62f61d4af1767b9&sscra=ee6865a5d9dcfa625c0c1ff44de52285&ub=1671156787&guid=09538c27fe92d960f9e944c0b81f8e4c&rs=&r=) with just four minutes left in the game.


But there was something I liked about the site's publisher, that I couldn't quite put my finger on:


http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/MaryMcCain.jpg
Mary McCain - Publisher
Mary McCain aka “Risemoon" is the publisher of Right Fielders. Her hope is that Right Fielders will do our part to reduce social stigmas for women in a way that is both thought-provoking and culturally beneficial.
Ms. McCain obtained a post-bacculearate degree, something she refers to as “way too much school," and proceeded to join the payrolls of various corporations with nice windows. She is also a mother, wife, and local philanthropist residing near San Francisco in California.

[Alex The Great]

Mike Singletary is awseme :up:

I bet when Vernon Davis hugged him, Mike put a Time Bomb on his jersey

[Erzengel]

Warner was the hero of the Cardinals 29-24 win over (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aUOsLw3rEaRQ&refer=home) San Francisco 49ers in a NFL match when he touched-down for the third time (http://click.adbrite.com/mb/click.php?sid=795024&banner_id=11097038&variation_id=253424&uts=1226429928&cpc=302e323933&keyword_id=62749&inline=y&zk_id=35048263&ab=168362068&sscup=dee2bda04a68c88eb62f61d4af1767b9&sscra=ee6865a5d9dcfa625c0c1ff44de52285&ub=1671156787&guid=09538c27fe92d960f9e944c0b81f8e4c&rs=&r=) with just four minutes left in the game.

Yes I too like it when Eli touched-down. :huh:

[Double Down]

Yes I too like it when Eli touched-down. :huh:

It's funny because the site ostensibly teaches women how to talk about sports to men, yet they use phrases like that.
On the plus side, the site does a whole series of those "meet so-and-so" features and many of them are on players' wives and girlfriends.
So you may go to that site for the knowledge, but you will stay for the hotties.

[LostSon88]

I wish I was on the sideline because it's clear that either Hill was confused or the coaches weren't sending the right signals. It seemed like he was running up to the line to call a play but let 15 seconds run off the clock before spiking it. Thats just inexperience right there. Call a play or spike it, at that point, you're the QB, you're the leader of the offense, you have to know the situation and make a decision, not wait for a coach to decide what the hell he wants to do.

Well according to the SF Chronicle this morning, Martz was telling Hill (through his headset) to spike the ball...but for whatever reason, Martz also wanted to sub out certain linemen to change the formation.

Hill didn't know what was going on, as did some of the players...some didn't know whether or not to get on or off the field.

Shaun basically had to wait and see what Martz was trying to do because if they wearn't in the proper formation during the spike they would've gotten penalized.

I'm sure Hill would've made his own call BUT...when you got certain players trying to get off the field and others getting on, what are you gonna do?

Again, this all goes back to a series of miscommunications...starting with our offensive coordinator, Mike Martz.

:cmad:

[Alex The Great]

49ers need Mike, they need a Kick in the pants like he does.

[Double Down]

Well according to the SF Chronicle this morning, Martz was telling Hill (through his headset) to spike the ball...but for whatever reason, Martz also wanted to sub out certain linemen to change the formation.

Hill didn't know what was going on, as did some of the players...some didn't know whether or not to get on or off the field.

Shaun basically had to wait and see what Martz was trying to do because if they wearn't in the proper formation during the spike they would've gotten penalized.

I'm sure Hill would've made his own call BUT...when you got certain players trying to get off the field and others getting on, what are you gonna do?

Again, this all goes back to a series of miscommunications...starting with our offensive coordinator, Mike Martz.

:cmad:

Martz has always had clock management issues. I can't tell you how many times I would see his teams burn through timeouts to avoid delay of game penalties. When it first started happening, when Warner was QB of the Rams and Martz was the OC then HC, people weren't sure whose fault it was. Then, it happened with Bulger, too. Then, Kitna had the same thing happen. Etc.
Martz's plays are so long and precise that it takes a while to relay them. If there is uncertainty, then it seems as if there isn't enough time to get set. If you watch a Martz offense in action, it thrives best in a no-huddle situation, when the plays are condensed.
But there is no excuse for the end of the game last night. That was just wasteful.

[FaT_tONle]

The odds against the Cardinals winning in Carolina or New York are 10,000 to 1? Where do you come up with this garbage?

Sarcasm my friend... but you can't tell me Arizona has shown you enough to be able to beat those teams on the road in January.

[BlackLantern]

Arizona doesn't suck...at least not right now...their defense is still questionable...

[Double Down]

Kurt Warner: Hall of Famer?

Yes or No?

Rick Reilly and Michael Wilbon discussed whether Kurt Warner is a Hall of Famer on Pardon the Interruption today. Both said "yes." Wilbon said he was a 10-year voter for the hall and he would have argued vehemently for Warner. Reilly said there's no reason not to put Warner in, and that his candidacy was sealed with what he has accomplished this season.
Jaworski also said Warner is a Hall of Famer last night on Monday Night Football and Warren Sapp said it on Sunday.

[Double Down]

From KTAR.com:

Remember a few years back, the Cardinals heading for the same end zone against the 49ers at home, Kurt Warner leading the team down to the one yard line, no time outs, needing a TD to win the game? Leonard Davis false-starts and incurs a 10-second run-off...game over. Niners win. Last night's game is a good start towards calling it "even."

[Dr. Evil]

- Jets cut CB Justin Miller
- Steelers sign CB Fernando Bryant
- Seahawks release WR Keary Colbert
- Broncos re-sign RB Tatum Bell

[Darthphere]

Finally, we can all sleep well knowing our luggage is safe.

[NewYorkSpider]

Sarcasm my friend... but you can't tell me Arizona has shown you enough to be able to beat those teams on the road in January.

I can see Arizona winning in the first round. After that they'll have to travel on the road, in which they've played horrible.

[Double Down]

I can see Arizona winning in the first round. After that they'll have to travel on the road, in which they've played horrible.

The Cardinals aren't as bad on the road as people have made them out to be. They are 2-3 on the road. Of those losses, they lost to Washington by 7 and to Carolina by 4. Both good teams, both close losses.
Their 2-3 road record is the same record as Dallas, Green Bay, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, and Buffalo.
Really, it's just that one bad half against the Jets that has given them the reputation as a "bad road team" this year. In fact, they have only been out-scored by a total of 1 point on the road this year.

[NewYorkSpider]

Arizona has always had close road games. They just haven't been able to find those 4th quarter heroics, or to hold the game together. They should be out in the second round if they have to play New York or an NFC South team(whose likely to get the second seed).

[Excel]

This seasons not over, but coach of the year is VERY TOUGH.

Atlanta and Airzona are big bonafide break out teams while Tennessee and Giants have had very impressive seasons. Washington and Miami, who many thought would be 2 of the worst teams in the NFL, have played very well. Chicago and Baltimore are playing like its 2006.

BUT....The pats have lost:
-MVP QB Tom Brady 7 minutes into the season
-Running back 1)Laruence Maroney 2) Sammy Morris 3)Lamont Jordan
-Safety Rodney Harrison
-LB Adalius Thomas

And are still in serious contention for the playoffs. Sorry, but this far it has to go to Bill. A loss tomorrow night would defiently change that though.

[BlackLantern]

..but the Pats have a winning culture there...I'd sooner COTY go to someone who has really changed the dynamic of the team they lead...I'd give it to Wisenhunt(sp?) right now

[Silver Knight]

This seasons not over, but coach of the year is VERY TOUGH.

Atlanta and Airzona are big bonafide break out teams while Tennessee and Giants have had very impressive seasons. Washington and Miami, who many thought would be 2 of the worst teams in the NFL, have played very well. Chicago and Baltimore are playing like its 2006.

BUT....The pats have lost:
-MVP QB Tom Brady 7 minutes into the season
-Running back 1)Laruence Maroney 2) Sammy Morris 3)Lamont Jordan
-Safety Rodney Harrison
-LB Adalius Thomas

And are still in serious contention for the playoffs. Sorry, but this far it has to go to Bill. A loss tomorrow night would defiently change that though.
Good post. I think it will come doqn to the final week of the season.

[Erzengel]

1 (1) Titans 9-0-0 Has a team ever set franchise records for most rushing yards in a game and fewest in a game within four games? The Titans nearly did. They had to throw to beat the Bears and they did, to great effect. (PK)
2 (2) Giants 8-1-0 This is a Super Bowl team. No way anyone in East catches the Giants. (MM)
3 (4) Panthers 7-2-0 Survived a challenge from the mighty Raiders. Next up: Detroit. Panthers have to load up on wins before schedule turns tough. (PY)
4 (3) Steelers 6-3-0 "Big Ben" is struggling, and so are the Steelers. Suddenly Pittsburgh has dropped two of three. (JW)
5 (5) Redskins 6-3-0 They need Clinton Portis to play Sunday. He'll answer the bell. (MM)
6 (7) Buccaneers 6-3-0 Bucs should be pretty healthy coming off the bye, and they might have Cadillac Williams back. But Adrian Peterson will be most talked-about runner in Tampa this week. (PY)
7 (12) Patriots 6-3-0 The Patriots keep marching forward. Matt Cassel has established himself as more than a proxy for Tom Brady. He's a legit NFL starter. (TG)
8 (10) Falcons 6-3-0 Still think they're a fluke? The Falcons seem to get better every single week. (PY)
9 (11) Jets 6-3-0 The Jets' defense is among the NFL's elite. The Jets stop the run, sack the quarterback and create huge turnovers. (TG)
10 (15) Colts 5-4-0 The Colts impressed with back-to-back wins over New England and Pittsburgh, results that could be monumental when wild cards are sorted out. (PK)
11 (8) Cardinals 6-3-0 Sloppy play wasn't enough to cost the Cardinals against the 49ers, but Arizona must improve. (MS)
12 (13) Ravens 6-3-0 Is this an offense-first team or a defense-first team? The Ravens are averaging 33.5 points the past four games. (JW)
13 (6) Eagles 5-4-0 Now 0-3 in the division. And that game against the Giants wasn't as close as the score indicated. (MM)
14 (9) Bears 5-4-0 Even Rex Grossman would fare well against the Bears' pass defense. (KS)
15 (17) Dolphins 5-4-0 The Dolphins escaped with a 21-19 victory over the Seahawks in their first of three straight home games. Dolphins have won three in a row for first time since 2006. (TG)
16 (19) Cowboys 5-4-0 The bye week couldn't have come at a better time. Tony Romo should give them a big lift. (MM)
17 (14) Bills 5-4-0 They've lost three straight divisional games and four of their past five overall. An advantage they have is one more "home" game than every other AFC East team -- except they're playing one in Toronto. (TG)
18 (20) Vikings 5-4-0 Minnesota faces a tough task this week in Tampa Bay, where the Vikings haven't won since 1997. (KS)
19 (22) Broncos 5-4-0 The Broncos are battered on defense and they have no running game. But they do have Jay Cutler. Will it be enough? (BW)
20 (21) Chargers 4-5-0 The Chargers were lucky to beat the Chiefs on Sunday. They'll need more than luck to beat Pittsburgh this Sunday. (BW)
21 (16) Packers 4-5-0 Something is missing this season in Green Bay. (KS)
22 (23) Jaguars 4-5-0 The Jags go from facing winless Detroit to undefeated Tennessee in the span of a week. With the likelihood of a playoff berth fading, the Jags handing the Titans their first loss could be a season-maker. (PK)
23 (18) Saints 4-5-0 Injuries keep piling up and it seems like the Saints are on the brink of having their season fall apart. But they do have a trip to Kansas City. (PY)
24 (24) Browns 3-6-0 Despite its season going down the drain, Cleveland has some solace: Brady Quinn shows great promise. (JW)
25 (25) Texans 3-6-0 The Texans just haven't figured out how to hold onto the ball. Odds are their best chance to beat the Colts came in the first matchup, when they folded late and gave the game away. (PK)
26 (28) 49ers 2-7-0 Offensive adjustments seemed to make the 49ers more competitive, a positive step despite MNF defeat. (MS)
27 (27) Seahawks 2-7-0 Seahawks must emphasize running game even after Matt Hasselbeck returns. (MS)
28 (26) Rams 2-7-0 Last two games offset any progress the Rams made in their first two games under Jim Haslett. (MS)
29 (31) Chiefs 1-8-0 One of these days the Chiefs are going to win another game. Really. We think. (BW)
30 (29) Bengals 1-8-0 The bye gave Cincinnati two weeks to celebrate its first victory. But how long will it take to get win No. 2? (JW)
31 (30) Raiders 2-7-0 It's been three weeks since Oakland last scored a touchdown. It's also been three weeks since Oakland won a game. (BW)
32 (32) Lions 0-9-0 Who will the Lions call out of retirement this week? Eric Hipple? (KS)
...

[Ace of Knaves]

Nice to see Atlanta in the top 10. I wouldn't have the Steelers in the top 5 though.

[Buford The Sly]

I'd put the Giants ahead of the Titans. But I've got NFC bias. I think head to head the Giants would drop the Titans.

[Erzengel]

Will the Jets be considered the 2nd best team in the AFC with a win over the Patriots? :huh:

[FaT_tONle]

Jets HAVE to win this ball game on Thursday... no other way around it. Knock Cassel out of the game and end the Pats season right now. They will not contend for a Superbowl if they don't lock up that two seed. Steelers will not pull away because of their schedule. And the AFC West stinks. Jets could EASILY clinch that bye along with the division. ANd they still play the Titans so you never know... maybe even a one seed. Farve won't win too many playoff games on the road.

[Cmill216]

..but the Pats have a winning culture there...I'd sooner COTY go to someone who has really changed the dynamic of the team they lead...I'd give it to Wisenhunt(sp?) right now

Mike Smith is the Coach of the Year right now. The mess he had to clean up in Atlanta was massive. Now, no one even remembers the disaster that was the Petrino year.

[Erzengel]

I think must win games for Week 11 are:

Jets and Patriots - Either team To establish dominance in the AFC East.
Cowboys and Redskins - More so for the Cowboys, if they don't win this game, I think it's essentially over for them and the Redskins can take one step closer to pretty much locking a wild card spot.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea it's gotta be Smith. He has completely changed the attitude in Atlanta. Last year was just a disaster, no one was getting along, the players didn't even want to come in to work, what he has done there shouldn't be underestimated. I wonder how good the Falcons will be next year when Smith can get some more defensive players in and the rookies step up, good times ahead I think.

[Immortalfire]

Mike Smith is the Coach of the Year right now. The mess he had to clean up in Atlanta was massive. Now, no one even remembers the disaster that was the Petrino year.

Who? :yay:

[BlackLantern]

Who? :yay:

I'm not even a Falcons fan and that whole mess offended me as a football fan in general....

[Immortalfire]

I'm cautiously starting to feel good about the season. First of all they've already won six games, that's 5 more than the experts said we'd have all year. And even more amazing is they haven't blown a next game after winning a big one. Yeah, they lost to Carolina and Tampa, but they were still learning at the time.
Beating Green Bay at home, and knocking off the Bears the week after..very cool. In the past seasons we probably would have lost both of them, and lost to the Saints after a win over pitiful Oakland.

Things are looking up! :)

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea we have had some massive wins this season. The Bears game was insane! That very last pass by Ryan to Jenkins proved to me that Ryan is something special. With Michael Turner putting in some solid yards and Norwood ripping it up we have a good running game.
I think the defense is improving a bit aswell, hopefully they can push on from the Oakland and Saints game.

[Dr. Evil]

Cadillac Williams is back from the injured list.

[BlackLantern]

Breaking News...upon hearing the announcement that he is no long injured, Cadillac Williams re-injured himself jumping for joy and will now be out the rest of the season

[RogueDK]

Breaking News...upon hearing the announcement that he is no long injured, Cadillac Williams re-injured himself jumping for joy and will now be out the rest of the season
:hehe:

[Immortalfire]

Breaking News...upon hearing the announcement that he is no longer injured, Cadillac Williams re-injured himself jumping for joy and will now be out the rest of the season

:lmao:

[Dr. Evil]

Chargers sign RB Michael Bennett
Raiders sign CB Justin Miller (my condolences to him)
Chiefs sign DE/LB Jason Babin

[BlackLantern]

http://deadspin.com/5084500/theres-no-recession-for-vicious-youth-football-hits

Why youth football makes me smile

[StorminNorman]

Right now:

Mike Smith: COTY
Kurt Warner: MVP
Matt Ryan: ROOTY

[BlackLantern]

I'd say Kurt Warner for MVP and Ken Wisenhunt(sp?) for COTY...right now

[Cmill216]

As of right now.....

MVP: Matt Ryan, Falcons
Coach: Mike Smith, Falcons
Offensive Player: Kurt Warner, Cardinals
Defensive Player: Albert Haynesworth, Titans
Rookie: Matt Ryan, Falcons
Comeback Player: Antonio Bryant, Buccaneers

[Dark Donnie]

As of right now.....

MVP: Matt Ryan, Falcons
Coach: Mike Smith, Falcons
Offensive Player: Kurt Warner, Cardinals
Defensive Player: Albert Haynesworth, Titans
Rookie: Matt Ryan, Falcons
Comeback Player: Antonio Bryant, Buccaneers

I'd give it to Pennington. Bryant had one year where he was ok getting over 1000 yards. For the most part he's pretty much a bust.

[Cmill216]

I'd give it to Pennington. Bryant had one year where he was ok getting over 1000 yards. For the most part he's pretty much a bust.

But see, that's the thing: He wasn't even IN the league last year. He was suspended for violating the whole substance abuse policy.

This year, he signs with Tampa on a league minimum contract, and now he's leading the team in receiving and is on pace to finish with 80 receptions and over 1,000 yards.

That's the very definition of a comeback season.

[FaT_tONle]

Pennington already won it. I doubt he'd win again. Miami has been winning mostly for other reasons. Maybe Ricky Williams....

[Dark Donnie]

Pennington lost his starting job last year, and was cut in the off season. Signed with a one win team and has them contending for the WC. He's also in the top ten in Yards, and Completion %. That's a nice turn around.

[Alex The Great]

Ronnie Brown?

[Immortalfire]

MVP: Kurt Warner
Rookie: Matt Ryan
Coach: Mike Smith

[Poeman]

if kurt warner wins id laugh my ass off...but hes a blessed guy and truly the nicest man the nfl has ever seen

[Excel]

Right now the MVP is

1) Adrian Peterson
2) Clinton portis
^it is REALLY close

3) Kurt Warner
4) Haynesworth (Kris Jenkins is better, but Al has the better team)
5) Matt Ryan

[Alex The Great]

Right now the MVP is

1) Adrian Peterson
2) Clinton portis
^it is REALLY close

3) Kurt Warner
4) Haynesworth (Kris Jenkins is better, but Al has the better team)
5) Matt Ryan

No. 3,4,5 should be 1,2,3

[Cmill216]

Pennington lost his starting job last year, and was cut in the off season. Signed with a one win team and has them contending for the WC. He's also in the top ten in Yards, and Completion %. That's a nice turn around.

Pennington already won it. I doubt he'd win again. Miami has been winning mostly for other reasons. Maybe Ricky Williams....

I agree with Tonie.

....*shudders*

Pennington has brought stability, yes, but Miami is primarily winning because of the Wildcat and because of an improved defense.

On the other hand, with Bryant, we're talking about a guy who had showed promise, but essentially threw his career away with alcohol. He comes back this year, and is having an awesomely productive season for a contending team. The guy was out of football for over a year.

[FaT_tONle]

Pennington has always put up numbers like he has this year... people who don't realize this have not watched him play. This is not unusual for him... he had a bad year last year cause the o-line was terrible and he was pressing because he was on the verge of being replaced... sort of like Derek Anderson this year.

[BlackLantern]

I've always liked Pennington and it's nice to see him succeed again...I do wonder how many good seasons he has left in him though

[Dark Donnie]

Pennington has always put up numbers like he has this year... people who don't realize this have not watched him play. This is not unusual for him... he had a bad year last year cause the o-line was terrible and he was pressing because he was on the verge of being replaced... sort of like Derek Anderson this year.

I've watched Pennington countless times over the years. The Jets are on every Sunday here. He had success, but last year was an absolute disaster. Now he's succeeding again. That's what I think they look at, that and players that rebound from injuries (Greg Ellis, Drew Brees). I think a guy like Jonathan Vilma is up there as well, probably ahead of Bryant. I think Bryant will get consideration, but I just don't think he's been more impressive then either Pennington or Vilma.

Also Garrison Hearst won the award twice.

[Darthphere]

Pennington lost his starting job last year, and was cut in the off season. Signed with a one win team and has them contending for the WC. He's also in the top ten in Yards, and Completion %. That's a nice turn around.

Dude, they're contending for the division!


*goes back to Fantasy Land*

[Excel]

Ocho Cinco attributes changed attitude to McNabb.

No. 3,4,5 should be 1,2,3

Peterson has willed his team into the playoffs on his damn back, and Clinton Portis pockets straight has just been playing outside his dayum mind!

[Erzengel]

I've always liked Pennington and it's nice to see him succeed again...I do wonder how many good seasons he has left in him though
I just always found Pennington to be too inconsistent.

[Belvedere]

MVP: Kurt Warner
COY: Jeff Fisher.
Offensive Player: Clinton Portis
Defensive Player: Joey Porter
OROY: Matt Ryan
DROY: Brandon Flowers
Comeback: Kyle Orton

[Excel]

DROY: Jerod Mayo ALL THE ****ING WAY!! :cmad:

[Raiden]

I just always found Pennington to be too inconsistent.

I agree. I also like Pennington, but aside from injuries and a lack of arm strength, his inconsistency is also a problem. Pennington's strengths are his leadership, game management, and accuracy. But after being with Jets for so many years, I think it was time for Jets to let him go. I'm glad that he has found success with Dolphins, though.

[Double Down]

MVP and Offensive Player of the Year: Kurt Warner
Defensive Player of the Year: Albert Haynesworth
Coach: Mike Smith
Offensive Rookie: Matt Ryan
Defensive Rookie: Jerod Mayo
Comeback Player: Kerry Collins

[KALEL114]

The News
49ers running back Frank Gore suffered a concussion last week, and he is still feeling the effects of it, according to the Santa Rosa Press-Democrat.

Our View
Gore did not practice Wednesday and he will not practice Thursday, and his availability for Sunday's game against the Rams is suddenly in question. DeShaun Foster is Gore's backup and would likely get the bulk of the carries in his absence.

http://www.fanball.com/

[FaT_tONle]

I agree. I also like Pennington, but aside from injuries and a lack of arm strength, his inconsistency is also a problem. Pennington's strengths are his leadership, game management, and accuracy. But after being with Jets for so many years, I think it was time for Jets to let him go. I'm glad that he has found success with Dolphins, though.

Inconsistent??? Um... if you are talking about health I'll give that to you... but this guy always put up good ratings/completion %'s when he was in there... healthy... 2003 he was banged up... Jets had a bad team that year... 2005 he torn the shoulder... 2007 the team was God awful... no Pete Kendall... they could not run the football... I mean he didn't have a good year... but the team was just bad... went beyond the QB.

[KBX]

Jets HAVE to win this ball game on Thursday... no other way around it. Knock Cassel out of the game and end the Pats season right now. They will not contend for a Superbowl if they don't lock up that two seed. Steelers will not pull away because of their schedule. And the AFC West stinks. Jets could EASILY clinch that bye along with the division. ANd they still play the Titans so you never know... maybe even a one seed. Farve won't win too many playoff games on the road.

Jets as of right now have a better QB, HB, O-line, better overall offense.

Jets as of right now have a better LB, and secondary, probably better overall Defense.

Jets head coach is Eric Mangini

Pats head coach is Bill Belichick

Pats win by 4 points.

its pretty simple, lol... :woot:

[SurfDUI]

If the J E T S...jetsjetsjets win in Foxboro. They could be starin at the other bye spot come playoff time..Buffalo, Pittsburgh, IDK

Just in time for Your Indianapolis COLTS to come kickin in the wildcard door!!!:cmad:

[Double Down]

Ty Warren is inactive tonight.

[The Game]

Ty Warren is inactive tonight.

Not another soldier down, how much more can we endure