2008 NFL Thread

[BlackLantern]

Eagles/Vikings = I predict scorefest....

[Erzengel]

A loss is still a loss. I'm not saying to underestimate the Chargers but I'm still picking the Colts.

[Erzengel]

I really like the Cardinals-Falcons matchup. That should be fun.

The way Cardinals have been tanking, regardless of doing well at home, I see the Falcons beating them.

[Venom'sDad]

Cards will win... come on

[Alex The Great]

Oh Me :csad:

[Addendum]

I'd still say Peyton is unproven in a playoff setting. Yes, he won a Super Bowl but he had no real challengers. KC was pretty bad that year and grabbed the wild card by luck. They played a very overrated Baltimore team with an easy schedule and weak division. Then in the AFC Championship they played an injured Patriots team with no recieving core. Finally in the Super Bowl they played the Bears and I'd argue the 2006 Bears were the worst team to ever make a Super Bowl. He got that ring on other teams inadequacies. He won't have that luxury this time around.

I'm certainly not a Colts fan, but you can't fault the team that won. Indy was only responsible for their performance. You can't put Kansas City's bad performance on the colts, nor the Ravens schedule on the Colts (especially when the schedules are made up long ahead of time), or the injuries that the Patriots had on the Colts.

It's a bull*** excuse that has somehow moved from college sports to professional sports by sports radio hosts that haven't played a sports game in years, if ever, because the "favored teams" lost

[Venom'sDad]

that Switzler Coors commercial is kinda creepy

[BlackLantern]

Atlanta is too much team for the Cards....Matt Ryan and Michael Turner are going to run roughshod over them

[Holiday]

Yeah, I'd tale Atlanta over Arizone for sure. Arizona has really benefited from their weak schedule, they're not as good their record.

Also, the way San Diego has been playing the last few weeks and tonight especially, it would be a big mistake for any team to take them lightly.

[NewYorkSpider]

Some of the Patriots fans at the ESPN.com boards are complaining about what time their game started. :lmao: Man, some of you fans will complain about anything and come up with reason why your team didn't make the playoffs. This is a must see.

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nfl&id=nwe&tid=4059105&lid=18

[Erzengel]

No worse than them analyzing the final drive of the Giants at the Superbowl.

"And if you can see at time 1 minute and 45 seconds, they stopped the clock to make a measurement..." *sourgrapes*

[Double Down]

Some of the Patriots fans at the ESPN.com boards are complaining about what time their game started. :lmao: Man, some of you fans will complain about anything and come up with reason why your team didn't make the playoffs. This is a must see.

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nfl&id=nwe&tid=4059105&lid=18

Hilarious, but pathetic.

[Holiday]

I wonder if any Pats fans will complain about the Chargers getting in the playoffs at 8-8 over their team, who went 11-5. Especially since SD beat the hell out of them earlier this year.

[Venom'sDad]

Chargers beat nobody of significance this year, and I like Ryan, but Atl is just as suspect as the Cards, so when in doubt, pick the home team.

[Raiden]

Congrats to Fins for winning AFC East. I'm glad they made it because this is an organization that is making all the right decisions, and they are playing their best down the stretch. I wish Pennington and the Dolphins best of luck.

As for Jets, this may be the most disappointing season I have experienced ever since I started rooting for them. Even though they finished 9-7, they almost spent 140 million in the offseason and had one of the softest schedule (it's their fault for losing to all western division teams). I will contemplate whether to continue to support this team, or go back to the team I used to root for (Raiders).

[NewYorkSpider]

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[rdh007]

Skol, Vikings!

[Poetic Chaos]

Pats deserved to make the playoffs. 11-5 with their QB and starting half-back out all season. No team deserved a spot more.

[Holiday]

Pats deserved to make the playoffs. 11-5 with their QB and starting half-back out all season. No team deserved a spot more.

Yeah, except for the teams that won their division.

[Matt]

I'm certainly not a Colts fan, but you can't fault the team that won. Indy was only responsible for their performance. You can't put Kansas City's bad performance on the colts, nor the Ravens schedule on the Colts (especially when the schedules are made up long ahead of time), or the injuries that the Patriots had on the Colts.

It's a bull*** excuse that has somehow moved from college sports to professional sports by sports radio hosts that haven't played a sports game in years, if ever, because the "favored teams" lost

I'm not saying it is the Colts fault. I am just saying Peyton is still unproven in a real playoff challenge.

[The Game]

How did the Bronco's blow this season?

[BlackLantern]

It's not about who deserved what, it's about records....the Pats shouldn't have dropped those divisional games.....so on behalf of the NFC East champion NY Giants....**** the Pats...**** 'em without dinner or a movie....

[The Dude]

I'm pumped for the Dolphins/Ravens. I just love good defensive, smash mouth football.

[Poetic Chaos]

The NFC East. I've never seen an entire division collapse quite like that.

[Venom'sDad]

A set-up for the ManningBowl with Papa Manning in the booth talking about how it's a father's dream.... and secretly, the NFL dream.

[The Game]

A set-up for the ManningBowl with Papa Manning in the booth talking about how it's a father's dream.... and secretly, the NFL dream.

Not going to happen

[BlackLantern]

Poetic Chaos...what do you mean?? 2 NFC East teams played today to determine who would get into the playoffs along with the Giants, who won the division....and Washington was a much improved team with a first year head coach and a young QB....the NFC east is easily the toughest division in football, year in and year out....

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[Dr. Evil]

A set-up for the ManningBowl with Papa Manning in the booth talking about how it's a father's dream.... and secretly, the NFL dream.

He would choose that for his sons any day then this:

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[Marx]

A set-up for the ManningBowl with Papa Manning in the booth talking about how it's a father's dream.... and secretly, the NFL dream.

Not going to happen

Do not underestimate the possibility of a Colts vs. Giants Superbowl.

[Cmill216]

but Atl is just as suspect as the Cards, so when in doubt, pick the home team.

How the heck is Atlanta "as suspect as the Cards?"

They play good defense, have the league's second leading rusher, and a Pro Bowl wide receiver.

[Poetic Chaos]

Poetic Chaos...what do you mean?? 2 NFC East teams played today to determine who would get into the playoffs along with the Giants, who won the division....and Washington was a much improved team with a first year head coach and a young QB....the NFC east is easily the toughest division in football, year in and year out....

Except with the exception of the Eagles, no one could finish their season. I'd put the NFC south and AFC east ahead of them.

[BlackLantern]

I said year in and year out....the NFC South has only recently become competitive and the AFC east basically belonged to the Pats until this year when Brady got injured, Favre went to NY, and Pennington ended up in Miami....even Buffalo showed some life this season...

[Venom'sDad]

How the heck is Atlanta "as suspect as the Cards?"

They play good defense, have the league's second leading rusher, and a Pro Bowl wide receiver.

Dude... the Cards are 19th in total Defense, ATL is 25th.

The Cards are 4th in total offense, ATL is 6th.

Their both are bad against the run, and the Cards ranks 9 spots higher than ATL against the pass.

ATL bright spot is rushing... that's it... and the Cards have two Pro Bowl recievers and a damn good third reciever.

Both have MVP QB.... and ATL have to travel cross-country.

What the heck are you talking about. :confused:

[Dr. Evil]

Do not underestimate the possibility of a Colts vs. Giants Superbowl.

If that happens, I expect their mom to wear a Half Giants/Half Colts Jersey.

Also an appearance from their other brother, Cooper Manning.

[BlackLantern]

Georgia to Arizona isn't really cross country, it's like half country....atlanta does play in a tougher division and I'd give the MVP to Kurt Warner...Matt Ryan, even thought I like him, isn't in the MVP conversation, as far as I am concerned....

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[Marx]

If that happens, I expect their mom to wear a Half Giants/Half Colts Jersey.

Also an appearance from their other brother, Cooper Manning.

I'd say the whole family would be wearing half and half jerseys! :oldrazz:

[Cmill216]

Dude... the Cards are 19th in total Defense, ATL is 25th.

The Cards are 4th in total offense, ATL is 6th.

Their both are bad against the run, and the Cards ranks 9 spots higher than ATL against the pass.

ATL bright spot is rushing... that's it... and the Cards have two Pro Bowl recievers and a damn good third reciever.

Both have MVP QB.... and ATL have to travel cross-country.

What the heck are you talking about. :confused:

Please don't give me these team rankings. Atlanta's defense is far superior in talent to Arizona's defense. Yardage is so overrated. You want a better comparison? Try points per game allowed. Atlanta was 11th. Arizona was 29th.

And why would you even bring up rushing defense in regards to the Falcons. The Cardinals don't run the ball. :huh:

I don't understand how you even can compare the two teams. Atlanta went 11-5 in arguably the toughest division in football, while Arizona went 9-7 in the one of the worst divisions in NFL history. And 6 of those 9 wins came against those losing division opponents. For those counting at home, that's a 3-7 mark against everyone else.

Atlanta's on a three game winning streak. Arizona has lost 4 out of its last 6. There's nothing in this game that tells me the Cardinals are gonna win this.

[Addendum]

I'm not saying it is the Colts fault. I am just saying Peyton is still unproven in a real playoff challenge.

But again, neither he nor the Colts had a hand in the performance of the other teams.

[Venom'sDad]

Georgia to Arizona isn't really cross country, it's like half country....

LOL... are you kidding me!

O.M.G. :wow:

[Cmill216]

I'd give the MVP to Kurt Warner...

Based on what?

Back in Week 8, maybe, but he's done absolutely nothing noteworthy in the second half of the season. And his team tanked as soon as they started wrapping up their division.

Matt Ryan, even thought I like him, isn't in the MVP conversation, as far as I am concerned....

How is he not? He singlehandedly turned Roddy White into a Pro Bowl wide receiver, and helped stabilize the Falcons offense. He's arguably been better than any rookie quarterback in the history of the league, and has been asked to do things no rookie quarterback has ever been asked to do.

Numbers are overrated. I don't think there was a more valuable player to his franchise than Matt Ryan this year.

[BlackLantern]

if the Giants travelled to San Diego....that's cross country....the Pats going to Oakland...that's cross country....going from Georgia to Arizona is a trip, but hardly an issue...

[Dr. Evil]

I'd say the whole family would be wearing half and half jerseys! :oldrazz:

Not the wives of Peyton and Eli.

[Dr. Evil]

49ers give Mike Singletary a four year deal.

[BlackLantern]

Based on what?

Back in Week 8, maybe, but he's done absolutely nothing noteworthy in the second half of the season. And his team tanked as soon as they started wrapping up their division.



How is he not? He singlehandedly turned Roddy White into a Pro Bowl wide receiver, and helped stabilize the Falcons offense. He's arguably been better than any rookie quarterback in the history of the league, and has been asked to do things no rookie quarterback has ever been asked to do.

Numbers are overrated. I don't think there was a more valuable player to his franchise than Matt Ryan this year.

you're right, it's not all about numbers....Warner took the same bunch of guys that Leinart couldn't or wouldn't do **** with and got them playing as a unit....as for Ryan and Atlanta, I wanted them to succeed in spite of the whole Michael Vick/Bobby Petrino fiasco....and they have...but I don't think that can be attributed to any one individual.....I'd give their coach COTY though

[Venom'sDad]

Numbers are overrated.

OHHH... OK, so now numbers don't mean anything. All the other times it did, but now it don't.... ok, I see. :whatever:

You do realize you got numbers in your name... :cwink:

[Cmill216]

you're right, it's not all about numbers....Warner took the same bunch of guys that Leinart couldn't or wouldn't do **** with and got them playing as a unit....

And while this is true, the only reason they won their division is because everyone else just happened to be far worse than they were. If the Seahawks don't fall off the map, we're not even having this conversation.

as for Ryan and Atlanta, I wanted them to succeed in spite of the whole Michael Vick/Bobby Petrino fiasco....and they have...but I don't think that can be attributed to any one individual.....I'd give their coach COTY though

I tend to agree. I mean, I'd be fine with them giving the MVP to Turner, as well.

But when I look at what Matt Ryan has done as a rookie quarterback, a rookie quarterback who stepped up in big games and led his team through a tough schedule and into the playoffs at 11-5.....I can't help but be in awe over that.

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[Dr. Evil]

Mike Singletary's new contract:

4 years, $10 million per year. He also has full authority over the coaching staff, which means he will not be like any Raiders or Cowboys Head coach.

Well deserved, I say. They will be a better team next year if they can get a QB and a consistent offense going.

[Cmill216]

OHHH... OK, so now numbers don't mean anything. All the other times it did, but now it don't.... ok, I see. :whatever:

It's the type of numbers you're pointing out that are invalid, to me.

Yardage means nothing if you aren't giving up points. Look at the rankings you posted: Atlanta is 25th in yards allowed, but only 11th in points allowed. That tells me that teams are moving the ball against them, but Atlanta's defense is coming up with plays to prevent points. And that's all that matters.

[Addendum]

if the Giants travelled to San Diego....that's cross country....the Pats going to Oakland...that's cross country....going from Georgia to Arizona is a trip, but hardly an issue...

Foxborough to Oakland - about 3,100 miles
New Jersey to San Diego - about 2,850 miles
Atlanta to Phoenix - about 1,850 miles

They're still cross country, but ain't got nothing going from Fairbanks to Key West

[Dr. Evil]

ESPN says that if Cleveland hires Scott Pioli from New England to take over for "Macho Man" Phil Savage, that Josh McDaniels and Kirk Ferentz would be the candidates. Of course, Pioli is plan B if Bill Cowher says no to Cleveland.

[Double Down]

I wouldn't say the Falcons are a lock to win Saturday.
Look at today. The Falcons played a game they had to win to get the No. 2 seed and they were playing at home against a 2-13 Rams team that had nothing to play for. A Rams team that the Cardinals just beat 34-10. And the Falcons barely won (31-27).

[Dr. Evil]

All the teams looking for a head coach, this will probably be their list:

1. Bill Cowher
2. Josh McDaniels
3. Steve Spagnoulo
4. Brian Billick
5. Jim Fassel
6. Denny Green
7. Kirk Ferentz

[Matt]

I think Cowher is having too much fun on NFL Today. I can't see him returning.

[Dr. Evil]

I think Cowher is having too much fun on NFL Today. I can't see him returning.

Same here. He seems more mellow, less angry. Jay Glazer of Fox said this morning though that he feels that Cowher won't return until 2010, if he decides to return. I don't see why he needs to return. He's got his Super Bowl ring, so he has nothing left to prove.

Chris Mortensen said though that Cleveland is going to make a run at him in a few days. He'll turn them down and they will go after Scott Pioli of the Pats.

[FaT_tONle]

Jerry Jones FOR GM OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!

****in' Jerry... ****ed this up completely.... I keep telling myself its part of the maturation process... I am done waiting for this team to develop. I still think we have another 4-5 year window to right the ship and win this thing... but with Jerry basically throwing this year down the toilet... it makes me wonder. Time to clean house on this O-line... cut fatass Flozell... the gig has gotten older and fatter by the day... do what the Giants did with Pettigute... dump this guy and be done with it. Colts did it too when they went with Ugoh... get some young athletic youth in there... and bring in a safety that can play please... get rid of Pac-Man... get rid of Roy Williams (OU SS Roy), Greg Ellis... bring in a D-coordinator that can light some fire into these clowns... but Flozell has to go.

I'll give Jerry and the coaching staff yet another pass... it's only one year... but this **** has to turn around in the next couple of years. If not... Jerry has to step down and call it quits... simple as that.

[Dr. Evil]

The only reason Jerry Jones is saying that Wade Phillips will be back next year is because he's waiting to pull the trigger in 2010, when Holmgren comes out of his one year break.

Again though, Holmgren is like Cowher. What does he have left to prove? Maybe he wants a second Super Bowl ring, but that maybe it.

Anyone think this maybe it for Dungy?

[FaT_tONle]

The only reason Jerry Jones is saying that Wade Phillips will be back next year is because he's waiting to pull the trigger in 2010, when Holmgren comes out of his one year break.

Again though, Holmgren is like Cowher. What does he have left to prove? Maybe he wants a second Super Bowl ring, but that maybe it.

Anyone think this maybe it for Dungy?

That may be true... but Cowboy fans calling for the guy's head have yet to name a dark horse replacement... if you are going to make a change... who else are you bringing in? Another old defensive coordinator that has been around the block? It worked in Atlanta with Smith but that's one example. I don't see anyone that's out there right now. Phillips and Turner were the best choices that off-season and they needed to bring in a defensive mind that could run the 3-4. You gonna bring in Dick Lebeau from Pittsburg? We know how he worked out as a head coach with the Bengals... Romeo Crennel has been a bust in Clevland. There is no one out there right now. You don't make a change in year 2... and you certainly don't bring in some young coordinator who "thinks" he knows what he's doing... ask the Jets on how that worked out. The last thing you want to do is give four years to some young guy **cough**Garrett**cough** only to find out he doesn't know what the **** he is doing.

[CConn]

I really don't think it's a matter of proving something for most NFL coaches, it's a matter of enjoying the game, and enjoying coaching. Sure, they want to win. And I doubt that ever dies. I highly doubt as soon as you win a Super Bowl, you're forever content. If it was me, I would always be hungry for #2, and 3, and so on.

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[CConn]

The Cowboys suck (and being an Eagles fan, I'm very, very glad they suck), for two very simple reasons...

1). Wade Philips isn't a good coach.
2). Terrell Owens is a human cancer.

Everything else wrong with the team could be fixed with a few simple off seasons moves and a decent coach who knows what the hell he's doing, and knows how to motivate and unite a young, developing team.

[Matt]

That may be true... but Cowboy fans calling for the guys head have yet to name a dark horse replacement... if you are going to make a change... who else are you bringing in? Another old defensive coordinator that has been around the block? It worked in Atlanta with Smith but that's one example. I don't see anyone that's out there right now. Phillips and Turner were the best choices that off-season and they needed to bring in a defensive mind that could run the 3-4. You gonna bring in Dick Lebeau from Pittsburg? We know how he worked out as a head coach with the Bengals... Romeo Crennel has been a bust in Clevland. There is no one out there right now. You don't make a change in year 2... and you certainly don't bring in some young coordinator who "thinks" he knows what he's doing... ask the Jets on how that worked out. The last thing you want to do is give four years to some young guy cough**Garrett**cough only to find out he doesn't know what the **** he is doing.

LeBeau got a bad break with the Bengals. His team did not have the talent to succeed when he started and Cinci did not give him the time to get the team. LeBeau could do amazing things with this current Dallas team.

[Matt]

The Cowboys suck (and being an Eagles fan, I'm very, very glad they suck), for two very simple reasons...

1). Wade Philips isn't a good coach.
2). Terrell Owens is a human cancer.

Everything else wrong with the team could be fixed with a few simple off seasons moves and a decent coach who knows what the hell he's doing, and knows how to motivate and unite a young, developing team.

Which is why LeBeau would be perfect. A good majority of his coaching career has been with the Steelers. Say what you want about the Steelers but they are the purest TEAM in the NFL. No other team can compare. There are no selfish players, no one looking out for number one. It is all about the team. A big reason for that is the culture Bill Cowher created in that club and Dick LeBeau was a big part of helping Cowher create it. His players love and respect him. The players refer to him as "Coach Dad," and have a fathers day celebration for him each year. Last year for his birthday they presented him with a gold rolex.

A great defensive coach who knows how to unite and inspire a team is what Dallas needs. LeBeau fits that to a T.

[CConn]

Are you dating Dick LeBeau, Matt?

[Dr. Evil]

LeBeau got a bad break with the Bengals. His team did not have the talent to succeed when he started and Cinci did not give him the time to get the team. LeBeau could do amazing things with this current Dallas team.

It was a brilliant move by Tomlin to keep LeBeau on board, despite the fact that the two ran different defenses (Tomlin ran the Cover 2 defense and LeBeau runs the 3-4).

He was apparently a hell of a good player for the Lions from 1959-1972 with 62 career interceptions (7th all time) and is the All time NFL Career record holder in number of consecutive games played at Cornerback at 171.

[Matt]

Are you dating Dick LeBeau, Matt?

Just trying to prove I am smarter than Jerry Jones...wait...that's not an accomplishment :csad:

[That-Guy]

LeBeau would make a hell of a head coach, but I don't think he's going anywhere. At least I hope not. The Steelers defense has been solid (with the exception of last week) so Pittsburgh will probably do damn near anything to get him to stay.

To be honest, I wish they'd get rid of Tomlin. The guy is such a douche. Roethlisberger's laying there on the ground, with a possible career-ending injury (remember, he had that motorcycle accident, so a bad concussion could possibly f**k him up for life) and Tomlin acted like he couldn't give a sh**.

And regardless of how he acts personally, I don't think the guy is a very good coach. He never challenges ANYTHING (the Steelers had two touchdowns taken away today... he could have challenged at least one of them) and the team runs the most predictable offensive game I've ever seen: Parker, Parker, throw, punt.

The Steelers may have made it to the post season the past two years, but I don't think Tomlin deserves much credit for that.

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[Matt]

LeBeau would make a hell of a head coach, but I don't think he's going anywhere. At least I hope not. The Steelers defense has been solid (with the exception of last week) so Pittsburgh will probably do damn near anything to get him to stay.

To be honest, I wish they'd get rid of Tomlin. The guy is such a douche. Roethlisberger's laying there on the ground, with a possible career-ending injury (remember, he had that motorcycle accident, so a bad concussion could possibly f**k him up for life) and Tomlin acted like he couldn't give a sh**.

And regardless of how he acts personally, I don't think the guy is a very good coach. He never challenges ANYTHING (the Steelers had two touchdowns taken away today... he could have challenged at least one of them) and the team runs the most predictable offensive game I've ever seen: Parker, Parker, throw, punt.

The Steelers may have made it to the post season the past two years, but I don't think Tomlin deserves much credit for that.

Tomlin could give a ****. He is just not an emotional guy. You can see concern not only then but throughout the game though on his face, regardless of if he showed it.

I like Tomlin. Yes, he is a conservative coach, but that comes with the young age. He is only 35. It comes with the territory of being that young and given a head coaching position. You don't want to do anything that can be second guessed. He'll grow as a coach in time.

I'd say if anything they need to start taking a look at releasing Ben or trading him. His career low stats are simply not acceptable for the highest paid player in the NFL. He needs to step it up next year or Pittsburgh needs to start thinking about another QB.

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[Go Web Go!]

Ahh. What a great Sunday. Obviously LOVED the fact that Miami completed its turnaround by sticking it to the Jets on the road and knocking them (AND the Pats) out of the playoffs. I'm also loving the new blood in these playoffs. In addition to Miami, you have another couple of teams who turned it around after terrible years (ATL, BAL) - not to mention the Cardinals and the Vikings. This is great for the NFL, and GREAT for me as a Miami fan. ;)

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[Raiden]

All the teams looking for a head coach, this will probably be their list:

1. Bill Cowher
2. Josh McDaniels
3. Steve Spagnoulo
4. Brian Billick
5. Jim Fassel
6. Denny Green
7. Kirk Ferentz

I hope Jets will also be looking for a new HC in the offseason.

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[SuperJediHero]

Dear Brett Favre,

You're ****ing useless.

Sincerely,

Matt Cassel

Dear Matt Cassel,

Take up your problem with NFL's playoff system instead. I think it's VERY flawed, but do you?

You all should got in, I AGREE, but your problem isn't the Jets/Brett Farve, it's the 8-8 Chargers who STOLE your spot!
Jets are NOT in the Playoffs either. Do they HAVE to help you, or you blame them? Jeez!

It's the Stupid playoff system, period.

Otherwise, Shut up!

Dolphins Deserved it!!!

Don't take that away from the Dolphins!!!

[SuperJediHero]

So did you complain last year when the Browns missed out? Or how about 85 when the Broncos missed out even though they went 11-5?

The NFL sets up the format to determine who gets in. The one constant that has been in place since the league formed divisions in 1967 were the division winners qualified for the playoffs. After the NFL-AFL merger in 1970, the league was reorganized into 2 conferences with 3 divisions each. The 3 division winners qualified with 1 wild card. Seeding was established in '75. When the league extended the regular season to 16 games, a second wild card for the playoffs was created. In 1990, a third wild card team was added. After the realignment to 4 divisions in each conference, the third wild card was dropped and the fourth division winner was put in.

The system has worked fine since it's inception. The Patriots are bummed to miss the playoffs like any other team would be, but they're not whining about their not going and either Denver or San Diego going with a worse record. Robert Kraft was against a rule change proposed last year where a wild-card team with a better record than a division winner would host a game because "if you win a division, it's good for your fans to know you will have a home game."


Look. I don't know how many times I have to say it.

YES, I absolutely think a team with a BETTER record, regardless they won Division or not, should get into Playoff over the team with a Worse record.

And, NO, it Doesn't matter which team! Even if Miami Dolphins is 8-8, they DO NOT deserve to be in the playoff EVEN if they are division Champs!

It's just NOT FAIR to the team with a BETTER record, period.

Division Championship should NOT rule Everything, IMO!

[Erzengel]

I'm not saying it is the Colts fault. I am just saying Peyton is still unproven in a real playoff challenge.
AFC Championship in 2007?

Peyton comes back down 3 - 21 against the Patriots to go on to the Superbowl? :huh:

[ih8nyy]

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[Matt]

AFC Championship in 2007?

Peyton comes back down 3 - 21 against the Patriots to go on to the Superbowl? :huh:

because his defense blew it and Brady is really that damn good. That Patriots team was injured as hell (if I remember right four or five key players were out) and they had no recieving squad that year.

[Erzengel]

Regardless, who may or may not have played, any QB who could bring a team back from 21 - 3 in the Playoffs, has proven themselves.

[Erzengel]

A set-up for the ManningBowl with Papa Manning in the booth talking about how it's a father's dream.... and secretly, the NFL dream.

Great joke from after the last Superbowl was how many disappointed fathers put their fat, unmotivated, PSP playing sons to bed while Archie Manning raised not one but two Superbowl MVPs.

[Dark Donnie]

Mangini and Marinelli both fired

[Erzengel]

Not surprised.

[ih8nyy]

Mangini and Marinelli both fired

I hope Mangina gets his shoelace caught in an escalator.

[Immortalfire]

I headed to the big city yesterday...Geesh, what a game it was for the Falcons. I had a feeling that the Rams would show up to play, just to try and make a statement at the season's end...Jackson is a beast, but Turner is a bigger beast :woot:

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[Showtime]

Dear Matt Cassel,

Take up your problem with NFL's playoff system instead. I think it's VERY flawed, but do you?

You all should got in, I AGREE, but your problem isn't the Jets/Brett Farve, it's the 8-8 Chargers who STOLE your spot!
Jets are NOT in the Playoffs either. Do they HAVE to help you, or you blame them? Jeez!

It's the Stupid playoff system, period.

Otherwise, Shut up!

Dolphins Deserved it!!!

Don't take that away from the Dolphins!!!

In all honesty who are you? You appeared in week 16 of the season as far as I can tell.

[Showtime]

That may be true... but Cowboy fans calling for the guy's head have yet to name a dark horse replacement... if you are going to make a change... who else are you bringing in? Another old defensive coordinator that has been around the block? It worked in Atlanta with Smith but that's one example. I don't see anyone that's out there right now. Phillips and Turner were the best choices that off-season and they needed to bring in a defensive mind that could run the 3-4. You gonna bring in Dick Lebeau from Pittsburg? We know how he worked out as a head coach with the Bengals... Romeo Crennel has been a bust in Clevland. There is no one out there right now. You don't make a change in year 2... and you certainly don't bring in some young coordinator who "thinks" he knows what he's doing... ask the Jets on how that worked out. The last thing you want to do is give four years to some young guy **cough**Garrett**cough** only to find out he doesn't know what the **** he is doing.

They certainly went out with a bang. I think the only way they can go is Cowher. That should be a must for them. They all need a kick in the pants.

[Showtime]

we have let him explore the world, Its time for him to come home

I think he will as a coach on some level.

Inside linebacker

HA HA. Or the linebackers coach.

*Watches Celtics dominate*

Patriots who?

Don't forget the Bruins.

Again, it's just an opinion... A FAVORITE Opinion, YES, but nonetheless it's just opinion, that a lot of people like me just DON'T love it! STOP being Damn Condesending to those that have a problem with it!!!

Again...you are?

Mangini and Marinelli both fired

Mangini for the win.

[gogetter0587]

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[RogueDK]

Ahh. What a great Sunday. Obviously LOVED the fact that Miami completed its turnaround by sticking it to the Jets on the road and knocking them (AND the Pats) out of the playoffs. . ;)
I'm hardly a Dolphins fan but I have to admit that it was good seeing Chad stick it to his old team after giving him the shaft for Favre. :yay:

[ih8nyy]

I headed to the big city yesterday...Geesh, what a game it was for the Falcons. I had a feeling that the Rams would show up to play, just to try and make a statement at the season's end...Jackson is a beast, but Turner is a bigger beast :woot:

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[rdh007]

Marinelli is a better coach than that. Maybe he, like Norv Turner, will always be a better #2. This is such a systemic problem that, while he certainly needed to go, this will not solve anything.

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[That-Guy]

Tomlin could give a ****. He is just not an emotional guy. You can see concern not only then but throughout the game though on his face, regardless of if he showed it.

I like Tomlin. Yes, he is a conservative coach, but that comes with the young age. He is only 35. It comes with the territory of being that young and given a head coaching position. You don't want to do anything that can be second guessed. He'll grow as a coach in time.

I'd say if anything they need to start taking a look at releasing Ben or trading him. His career low stats are simply not acceptable for the highest paid player in the NFL. He needs to step it up next year or Pittsburgh needs to start thinking about another QB.

They don't need to trade of release Ben. What they need to do is make some serious improvements on their offensive line. They always say that Ben "hangs onto the ball too long" but the fact is, 9 times out of 10, he has NO time to throw because he's not protected well enough. You watch Brady or Manning in the pocket and they look like they have all the time in the world because their O-Line can actually block defenders.

Ben is far from perfect, but when he's 100%, he's one of the best QB's in the league. He IS the best in the league when he's on the run. As for his periodic INTs, a lot of that can be contributed to passes that were straight to the intended receivers, who in turn couldn't hold onto the ball and let it bounce into the hands of the defense (not all of them, but this has happened on more than once occasion). Pittsburgh does have good wide receivers in Ward, Washington and Holmes, and a good tight end in Miller, but they are not infallible either.

The biggest problem this season (and last) in addition to defenders getting around the OL has been the running game. Parker is utilized far too much and while he played well yesterday, let's not forget it was against the truly horrible Browns. He hasn't been close to 100%. Mewelde Moore has had a strong season; he may not be Adrian Peterson or LaDainian Tomlinson, but if he was used more, I think he could be the solution to Pittsburgh's RB problem.

[Showtime]

You watch Brady or Manning in the pocket and they look like they have all the time in the world because their O-Line can actually block defenders.

Tell that to Matt Cassel, he was sacked the same amount of times as Big Ben, tied for most in the league.

[Immortalfire]

Don't worry, Dallas.

This wasn't a must win.

:lmao:

[rdh007]

Great joke from after the last Superbowl was how many disappointed fathers put their fat, unmotivated, PSP playing sons to bed while Archie Manning raised not one but two Superbowl MVPs.

While I would never argue that we are in shape as a nation or that we are doing our kids a great service by providing them with every comfort imaginable, it must be pointed out that genetics had much more to do with their success than Archie's parenting skills. It would be more appropriate to say that he didn't screw it up, rather than he was successful.

[Showtime]

But those fat kids won the Superbowl on PSP!

[Matt]

They certainly went out with a bang. I think the only way they can go is Cowher. That should be a must for them. They all need a kick in the pants.

Bill Cowher on the Dallas Cowboy's sideline!?! Bite your tounge Showtime! :cmad:

[Showtime]

Bill Cowher on the Dallas Cowboy's sideline!?! Bite your tounge Showtime! :cmad:

That would be huge for Dallas and is a move they have to make, I don't necessarily think Wade Phillips is a bad coach, but come on. They need somebody to fire them up. They walk all over Phillips like a used rug.

[MoPlaYa]

I`m picking Ravens-Falcons for the SuperBowl.

[Showtime]

I`m picking Ravens-Falcons for the SuperBowl.

Maybe in Maddeon 09.

[Matt]

That would be huge for Dallas and is a move they have to make, I don't necessarily think Wade Phillips is a bad coach, but come on. They need somebody to fire them up. They walk all over Phillips like a used rug.

I don't think Cowher is leaving retirement any time soon. I think people greatly over-estimate how much Cowher wants back in. This is a man who spent 15 straight years as a head coach, one of the most stressful jobs in the NFL. Most coaches are lucky if they stay with a team for 3 or 4 years. Most long head coaching careers are 9 or 10 years, but 15? That is a long time in some one's life. I think Cowher very much enjoys spending time with his wife and daughters and is going to keep on doing that until at least two of them are out of college. It could be a good 5 years before Cowher actually returns to coaching, if at all. Cowher has money. He has his ring. He may just stay out to avoid tarnishing his legacy.

Plus, where ever Cowher goes, he will want total control, coach and GM. Jerry Jones won't give him that. Jones is better off going after LeBeau.

[Erzengel]

Which is why Parcells left. He would not have tolerated any of the BS of Jones or TO.

[Showtime]

I don't think Cowher is leaving retirement any time soon. I think people greatly over-estimate how much Cowher wants back in. This is a man who spent 15 straight years as a head coach, one of the most stressful jobs in the NFL. Most coaches are lucky if they stay with a team for 3 or 4 years. Most long head coaching careers are 9 or 10 years, but 15? That is a long time in some one's life. I think Cowher very much enjoys spending time with his wife and daughters and is going to keep on doing that until at least two of them are out of college. It could be a good 5 years before Cowher actually returns to coaching, if at all. Cowher has money. He has his ring. He may just stay out to avoid tarnishing his legacy.

I think you are overestimating money. Cowher is no different than anybody else. You can't really speak for Cowher, nor can I, but if Dallas doesn't try then I feel bad for the fans there.

Plus, where ever Cowher goes, he will want total control, coach and GM. Jerry Jones won't give him that. Jones is better off going after LeBeau.

If Jones ever wants to win, he has to step aside and allow for that. He doesn't want to become the next Al Davis.

[FaT_tONle]

I'd say if anything they need to start taking a look at releasing Ben or trading him. His career low stats are simply not acceptable for the highest paid player in the NFL. He needs to step it up next year or Pittsburgh needs to start thinking about another QB.

Jerry Jones looks like Albert Einstein compared to you after comments like this... :huh:

[ih8nyy]

If Jones ever wants to win, he has to step aside and allow for that. He doesn't want to become the next Al Davis.

He already called dibs on becoming the next Al Davis. All he needs is some glasses with the librarian chain on them.

[Matt]

Jerry Jones looks like Albert Einstein compared to you after comments like this... :huh:

Not really, Ben Rothleisberger has been a good quarterback who has a problem with interceptions. For the money he is being paid, he should be a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady level quarterback. He's not. An 80 % passer rating, with 14 fumbles and only two more touchdowns than interceptions is not acceptable for the highest paid QB in the NFL. I agree that the line is a big part of this, but how many years did Tom Brady have a crap line and still perform? A great quarterback does not need everything to be perfect to win games. Ben does. Right now, he is just not worth what he is being paid and without his massive salary we could afford at least two or three good players for the price of a "great" player who is not being so great.

[Matt]

I think you are overestimating money. Cowher is no different than anybody else. You can't really speak for Cowher, nor can I, but if Dallas doesn't try then I feel bad for the fans there.

No, but Cowher can speak for Cowher and how many times over the past two years has he said that he is enjoying doing what he is doing and does not want to come back right now? The problem is, the media are creating stories around him where there are none. He clearly says he does not want to come back. He is not coy, he does not infer anything. He is very blunt and says he doesn't want to be a coach right now yet sports analysts seem to insist that he is lying. And sure, he could be, but it doesn't fit Cowher's personality at all to say anything but what is on his mind.

Plus, I think Cowher wants the hall of fame. Right now, he probably has it, but just barely. If he comes back to a crappy team like the Browns and has a few bad seasons...well...its going to hurt his case a lot.


If Jones ever wants to win, he has to step aside and allow for that. He doesn't want to become the next Al Davis.

Too late :o

[Erzengel]

Eric Mangini fired as Jets' coach one day after season-ending loss

Less than 24 hours after losing to the Dolphins and completing a bitter collapse down the stretch, the Jets announced that they have fired Eric Mangini.

Owner Woody Johnson and GM Mike Tannenbaum both said they had been discussing a coaching change for some time now and told Mangini of his fate this morning.

"We just felt that we could get a better fit moving from this point," Johnson said. "I don't think it was one thing. It was just Mike's and my judgment that we had to go in a different direction. There's nothing specific. It's just a call that we made and hopefully it is correct."

"Eric has done some amazing things and nobody has been a harder worker. This is not a decision that we reached yesterday. We respect Eric for what he has done but we want to build on this successful foundation that he has laid. We will quickly start this process."

Both Tannenbaum and Johnson said they will start the search for a new head coach immediately and will consider all options. When asked about a report that said the Jets could be interested in Bill Parcells to join the team's braintrust should he become available due to a clause in his Miami contract that allows him to opt out if new ownership takes over in Miami, Johnson said all talent will be considered.

Tannenbaum was also asked if the Jets will consider talking to former Steelers coach Bill Cowher but the GM declined to discuss specific names.

When asked if Mangini lost the team and the locker room, Tannenbaum said he thought the Jets were still playing hard for the head coach despite losing four of the last five games after an 8-3 start.

As for Brett Favre, Johnson and Tannenbaum said they want the quarterback back but have yet to talk to him about his future.
...

[Matt]

Favre did not get along with Mangini, correct? Favre probably wouldn't have came back under Mangini. Now I guess there is a chance. The lesson? Don't **** with Brett Favre.

[Double Down]

The ESPN affiliate in Cleveland talked on the phone with the Browns owner (not on the air) and the owner apparently told them that he offered the job to Cowher and was turned down. They didn't say what Cowher was offered, but the radio host asked, "What do you think? Would it have been worth giving Cowher $9 million dollars and full control?" It wasn't clear whether that was the actual offer or an estimate. It really could have been either.

[The Game]

Im so glad Mangina is out on the streets, I would love to have seen the expression on Belichicks face once he heard the news

[Showtime]

No, but Cowher can speak for Cowher and how many times over the past two years has he said that he is enjoying doing what he is doing and does not want to come back right now? The problem is, the media are creating stories around him where there are none. He clearly says he does not want to come back. He is not coy, he does not infer anything. He is very blunt and says he doesn't want to be a coach right now yet sports analysts seem to insist that he is lying. And sure, he could be, but it doesn't fit Cowher's personality at all to say anything but what is on his mind.

Why would he say he wanted to come back, that would kill his negotiating power. If a team is out there trying to sign a coach that doesn't want to come out of retirement they have to flip some bigger coin compared to a coach who was desperate or wanted to return.

Plus, I think Cowher wants the hall of fame. Right now, he probably has it, but just barely. If he comes back to a crappy team like the Browns and has a few bad seasons...well...its going to hurt his case a lot.

...or he could come back to a team like The Jets or The Cowboys and solidify it.

[Erzengel]

Probably the same look he has the rest of the time. :huh:

[Showtime]

Im so glad Mangina is out on the streets, I would love to have seen the expression on Belichicks face once he heard the news

Belichick just texted Mangini and Crennel on his Patriots Go Phone:

"Told you so"

He has the same text saved in his "drafts" section with Charlie W's name already listed as a recipient.

[Matt]

Why would he say he wanted to come back, that would kill his negotiating power. If a team is out there trying to sign a coach that doesn't want to come out of retirement they have to flip some bigger coin compared to a coach who was desperate or wanted to return.


Cowher is one of the greatest coaches in the history of the league and the most sought after. If he held a press conference today and said he wanted to coach, he would still get offers through the roof as every coach-less team would be competing for him.


...or he could come back to a team like The Jets or The Cowboys and solidify it.

With the Jets he would have to deal with Favre. I just can't see Cowher putting up with a QB who wants to be the coach as well. As for the Cowboys, Jerry Jones. Cowher will want control. If Favre stays with the Jets, neither of those teams can offer it to him.

[The Game]

Belichick just texted Mangini and Crennel on his Patriots Go Phone:

"Told you so"

He has the same text saved in his "drafts" section with Charlie W's name already listed as a recipient.

:hehe:

[Showtime]

Cowher is one of the greatest coaches in the history of the league and the most sought after. If he held a press conference today and said he wanted to coach, he would still get offers through the roof as every coach-less team would be competing for him.

He has much more negotiating power if he claims he doesn't want to come back. If you want to believe that he doesn't want to come back and won't, then that is fine with me. I personally think you'll see him back rather soon.

With the Jets he would have to deal with Favre. I just can't see Cowher putting up with a QB who wants to be the coach as well. As for the Cowboys, Jerry Jones. Cowher will want control. If Favre stays with the Jets, neither of those teams can offer it to him.

Holmgren did, worked for him. Also, we don't know what "Farvreee" is doing yet. To just say all these teams are eliminated and Cowher isn't coming back seems short sighted.

[Immortalfire]

Don't **** with Brett Favre.

:funny:

[FaT_tONle]

Not really, Ben Rothleisberger has been a good quarterback who has a problem with interceptions. For the money he is being paid, he should be a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady level quarterback. He's not. An 80 % passer rating, with 14 fumbles and only two more touchdowns than interceptions is not acceptable for the highest paid QB in the NFL. I agree that the line is a big part of this, but how many years did Tom Brady have a crap line and still perform? A great quarterback does not need everything to be perfect to win games. Ben does. Right now, he is just not worth what he is being paid and without his massive salary we could afford at least two or three good players for the price of a "great" player who is not being so great.

Okay... keep drinking the trade/release Big Ben Kool-Aid... boy I am sure your phone is ringing off the hook with GM offers...

[Matt]

Okay... keep drinking the trade/release Big Ben Kool-Aid... boy I am sure your phone is ringing off the hook with GM offers...

Well that is unneccessarily hostile. Someone cranky over the Cowboy collapse?

[ih8nyy]

Belichick just texted Mangini and Crennel on his Patriots Go Phone:

"Told you so"

He has the same text saved in his "drafts" section with Charlie W's name already listed as a recipient.

lol

I bet he has one saved in his "drafts" for when McDaniels bolts to (insert team name here).

[Matt]

He has much more negotiating power if he claims he doesn't want to come back. If you want to believe that he doesn't want to come back and won't, then that is fine with me. I personally think you'll see him back rather soon.

No, you admit I'm right or I will punch you in the ovaries :cmad: :heart:


Holmgren did, worked for him. Also, we don't know what "Farvreee" is doing yet. To just say all these teams are eliminated and Cowher isn't coming back seems short sighted.

Holmgren and Cowher are two entirely different coaches though. I just really can't see why he would come back. I mean, you mention money, but CBS is paying him a good ammount as it is. I just think he wants more than 2 years off after 15 straight.

[ih8nyy]

I can't wait for all the Brett Favre "will he retire or return?" talk to on ESPN for the next 6 months.

[Double Down]

Cowher is one of the greatest coaches in the history of the league and the most sought after. If he held a press conference today and said he wanted to coach, he would still get offers through the roof as every coach-less team would be competing for him.
With the Jets he would have to deal with Favre. I just can't see Cowher putting up with a QB who wants to be the coach as well. As for the Cowboys, Jerry Jones. Cowher will want control. If Favre stays with the Jets, neither of those teams can offer it to him.

Mangini actually had the temerity to talk to Favre about his poor throws and Favre ran to the media to cry about it.

[FaT_tONle]

Well that is unneccessarily hostile. Someone cranky over the Cowboy collapse?

And Farve wants to coach a team on top of it... this is coming straight from your mouth... not mine.

[Immortalfire]

I can't wait for all the Brett Favre "will he retire or return?" talk to on ESPN for the next 6 months.

Even better is that it started 2 weeks ago...and many more to go! :yay:

[Erzengel]

Considering Big Ben finished the season 12 - 4 in probably the hardest schedule any team had this year, I think he did fine. Yes he's probably the most sacked QB but they really need to build up that offensive line.

[Double Down]

Cleveland has asked for permission to talk to Scott Pioli.

[Matt]

And Farve wants to coach a team on top of it... this is coming straight from your mouth... not mine.

:huh: I said Favre acts like a coach, not that he wants to be one. You know, like a player who thinks he knows better than the coach. God, you are cranky over the Cowboys losing.

[That-Guy]

Ah, I can't help it, I love the end of the season when they start axing mediocre coaches... first the Lions, then the Jets and now the Browns... time for the Bengals to get with the program.

[Matt]

Ah, I can't help it, I love the end of the season when they start axing mediocre coaches... first the Lions, then the Jets and now the Browns... time for the Bengals to get with the program.

The Bengals should've jumped on that train years ago. Sure, the Bengals did good in 2005, but that was clearly a fluke and after 2006 or 7 it should've been buh bye to Marvin Lewis.

[That-Guy]

:huh: I said Favre acts like a coach, not that he wants to be one. God, you are cranky over the Cowboys losing.

Actually, you might be on to something there. I think Favre could make a good coach. He obviously still wants to be part of the game, but he should stop playing. I wish he wouldn't have come back this year. He could have left the NFL on a high note with his season last year. So what the Packers didn't make the Super Bowl? He still did a hell of a job and got them to the playoffs. No shame in that.

[Darthphere]

Woot! Go Dolphins! **** the Jets, **** the Pats. We're in it to lose in the first round! Woot!


And in typical Miami fashion, the bandwagon jumpers have appeared.

[FaT_tONle]

:huh: I said Favre acts like a coach, not that he wants to be one. You know, like a player who thinks he knows better than the coach. God, you are cranky over the Cowboys losing.

No I am really not cranky... I get over that crap pretty quick. If you read my post on the Cowboys you'd see that...

First we get Dick Lebeau would be a tremendous head coach...

Then we get trade/release Big Ben

Now we get Farve acting like a coach when he does anything but that.

To each his own....

[Matt]

Actually, you might be on to something there. I think Favre could make a good coach. He obviously still wants to be part of the game, but he should stop playing. I wish he wouldn't have come back this year. He could have left the NFL on a high note with his season last year. So what the Packers didn't make the Super Bowl? He still did a hell of a job and got them to the playoffs. No shame in that.

Oh, I agree entirely on that, and I believe I said something similar last year. Favre has an understanding of the game that few do, he is good at getting his team fired up, and he as you said, still desires to be part of the game. The sidelines would be the perfect place for him. He'd probably need a good defensive coordinator at his side, but he could do okay. I'm just saying while he is in the league, a coach like Cowher would not put up with him trying to run the team over their head.

[That-Guy]

The Bengals should've jumped on that train years ago. Sure, the Bengals did good in 2005, but that was clearly a fluke and after 2006 or 7 it should've been buh bye to Marvin Lewis.

Yup. They've gone from an "okay" team to a truly embarassing one. I have no particular love for the state of Ohio, but I have to say that it must suck when your two home teams are in a constant race to be last in the division. Although it certainly does bode well for Pittsburgh each season, and Baltimore now that they've apparently solved their problem with offense.

[Darthphere]

Oh, I agree entirely on that, and I believe I said something similar last year. Favre has an understanding of the game that few do, he is good at getting his team fired up, and he as you said, still desires to be part of the game. The sidelines would be the perfect place for him. He'd probably need a good defensive coordinator at his side, but he could do okay. I'm just saying while he is in the league, a coach like Cowher would not put up with him trying to run the team over their head.

Really?

"Whatever happens, hey, whatever" (paraphrased) Was the least rousing pre-football speech ever.

[BlackLantern]

Cowher is NOT coaching next season

[FaT_tONle]

Really?

"Whatever happens, hey, whatever" (paraphrased) Was the least rousing pre-football speech ever.

Somebody must have missed Farve's conference call upon that trade... :whatever:

[Matt]

No I am really not cranky... I get over that crap pretty quick. If you read my post on the Cowboys you'd see that...

First we get Dick Lebeau would be a tremendous head coach...

No, I said he would be a good fit for the Cowboys right now. When he tried with Cinci he had no talent and was not there long enough to develope them into a winning team.


Then we get trade/release Big Ben

So you think 80 % passer rating, 15 interceptions with only 17 TDs, and 14 fumbles is acceptable for the highest paid player in the NFL? Call me an idiot, but I don't.


Now we get Farve acting like a coach when he does anything but that.

To each his own....

And neither does Peyton Manning, in your opinion, I am sure.

When you're ready to pull the stick from your butt, accept that other people have opinions and being a patronizing jerk won't change them, we can talk again.

[That-Guy]

Oh, I agree entirely on that, and I believe I said something similar last year. Favre has an understanding of the game that few do, he is good at getting his team fired up, and he as you said, still desires to be part of the game. The sidelines would be the perfect place for him. He'd probably need a good defensive coordinator at his side, but he could do okay. I'm just saying while he is in the league, a coach like Cowher would not put up with him trying to run the team over their head.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. I don't know when Cowher will come back (I think that he will, but he's probably just waiting for the right team and the right paycheck). He might go to the Clownboys but I just don't see that happening for some reason. The Browns would be a mistake on his part because that team needs a LOT of work and a new coach is just a piece of the puzzle. Same goes with Detroit. Maybe the Jets if Favre doesn't come back.

[Darthphere]

Somebody must have missed Farve's conference call upon that trade... :whatever:

Least. Rousing. Speech. Ever.

[FaT_tONle]

No, I said he would be a good fit for the Cowboys right now. When he tried with Cinci he had no talent and was not there long enough to develope them into a winning team.

Lebeau was awful in Cinci

So you think 80 % passer rating, 15 interceptions with only 17 TDs, and 14 fumbles is acceptable for the highest paid player in the NFL? Call me an idiot, but I don't.

His O-line is a joke


And neither does Peyton Manning, in your opinion, I am sure.

When you're ready to pull the stick from your butt, accept that other people have opinions and being a patronizing jerk won't change them, we can talk again.

You obviously don't know what kind of player Brett Farve is... no clue whatsoever... if you go back and watch his press conferences... he is the exact opposite... go back and read the quotes...

[Matt]

Yeah, I'd agree with that. I don't know when Cowher will come back (I think that he will, but he's probably just waiting for the right team and the right paycheck). He might go to the Clownboys but I just don't see that happening for some reason. The Browns would be a mistake on his part because that team needs a LOT of work and a new coach is just a piece of the puzzle. Same goes with Detroit. Maybe the Jets if Favre doesn't come back.

Cowher's youngest daughter in a sophmore or junior in high school, right? I could see him waiting until she graduates. Then once the nest is empty and all his girls are off at college, he may get bored.

[Darthphere]

Man, the sour grapes is magnified to 1,000 today.

[Matt]

Lebeau was awful in Cinci

That's because they were an awful team when he was hired. They continued to be an awful team when he was fired. I really don't think the blame is his.


His O-line is a joke


And that excuses his interceptions and low passer rating? I'll agree it is a piece of the puzzle, but there have been times when Brady and Manning have had bad O-lines and they perform. And yes, Ben is not a Brady or a Manning...but the second he accepted a contract of their level, he also accepted that he is going to be held to their standard as well and he isn't living up to it.


You obviously don't know what kind of player Brett Farve is... no clue whatsoever... if you go back and watch his press conferences... he is the exact opposite... go back and read the quotes...

And go read some of the behind the scenes testimonials from those around him (especially former coaches).

[Raiden]

I'm glad Mangini was fired by the Jets, because I don't think one playoff appearance in 4 years should get you an extension. Besides, by losing 4 of last 5 games and winless in the west coast, I think it said alot about Mangini's coaching ability, or lack thereof. I hope they will go after a really good coach, but with so many vacancies around, it will be a challenge.

I do have to say that Favre is also responsible for the collapse because of his outrageous amount of interceptions, which probably account for some of those losses that were too close and turnovers were the key (like the last game against the Dolphins). Whether they decide to bring Favre back or not, they have to start looking for a QB they can rely on for the future.

[BlackLantern]

the only thing I was concerned with is Dallas NOT winning the division and Dallas NOT being in the post-season...and both of those have come to fruition

[BlackLantern]

damn...Marinelli, Crennel, and Mangini all got the boot.....

[Matt]

the only thing I was concerned with is Dallas NOT winning the division and Dallas NOT being in the post-season...and both of those have come to fruition

Here's looking forward to another season of Jones, Romo, T.O., and the whole gang choking, crashing and burning next year :up:

[Darthphere]

Here's looking forward to another season of Jones, Romo, T.O., and the whole gang choking, crashing and burning next year :up:

It's sad how mainstream their turmoil is. My dad who never watches football was watching when Witten threw that ball to TO and he looks at me and says "I guess they included him in their secret plays."

[Showtime]

lol

I bet he has one saved in his "drafts" for when McDaniels bolts to (insert team name here).

That's next and rightfully so.

No, you admit I'm right or I will punch you in the ovaries :cmad: :heart:

I boxed a little too pal. Don't make me Riddick Bowe you.

Holmgren and Cowher are two entirely different coaches though. I just really can't see why he would come back. I mean, you mention money, but CBS is paying him a good ammount as it is. I just think he wants more than 2 years off after 15 straight.

This is true, they are. However, you can't take what these guys say at face value, there is a reason the analysts think otherwise, they know a bit more than we do.

Mangini actually had the temerity to talk to Favre about his poor throws and Favre ran to the media to cry about it.

Favre and his salt and pepper hair just aren't all that good anymore. He is a legend that can still play, but shouldn't.

Woot! Go Dolphins! **** the Jets, **** the Pats. We're in it to lose in the first round! Woot!


And in typical Miami fashion, the bandwagon jumpers have appeared.

Tell me about it.

[FaT_tONle]

That's because they were an awful team when he was hired. They continued to be an awful team when he was fired. I really don't think the blame is his.

Yeah because any coach is going to win with a talented team...

And that excuses his interceptions and low passer rating? I'll agree it is a piece of the puzzle, but there have been times when Brady and Manning have had bad O-lines and they perform. And yes, Ben is not a Brady or a Manning...but the second he accepted a contract of their level, he also accepted that he is going to be held to their standard as well and he isn't living up to it.

Salary Cap goes up... that means contracts go up. You can't use Brady/Manning contracts as measuring sticks.

And go read some of the behind the scenes testimonials from those around him (especially former coaches).

"Behind the scenes testimonials???"... no wonder we never heard about them.

[rdh007]

The Lions gave the interim front office guys the permanent gigs. I'd have thought at least a cursory overture toward Cowher, etc. would be appropriate. An attempt to look like you're taking it seriously? Nah, they're clearly not going to do anything until the league either gets rid of them or finds a way to get rid of the old man.

[Double Down]

After watching what happened to Mangini, Crennel and Weis, should teams really be lining up to hire McDaniels?

[Darthphere]

Tell me about it.

I have to defend myself against people accusing me to be a band wagoner. Jesus, I have season tickets to the Marlins, and went 5 home games last season for the Fins.

[Showtime]

I have to defend myself against people accusing me to be a band wagoner. Jesus, I have season tickets to the Marlins, and went 5 home games last season for the Fins.

I know you aren't, and some others in this thread, but when somebody appears in week 16 and then sports a dolphin avatar the next day...it is kind of suspect.

[The Game]

After watching what happened to Mangini, Crennel and Weis, should teams really be lining up to hire McDaniels?

No they should not, his play calling can be suspect at times

[ih8nyy]

Something tells me Mangini won't be getting a coaching gig anytime soon in the NFL.

Maybe when the Arena League opens back up in 2010 he may have a shot there as a line coach or waterboy.

[That-Guy]

His O-line is a joke


Agreed. While it is true that Big Ben may not yet be deserving of the biggest paycheck in the NFL (and that's not knocking him... just saying that to command THAT big of a salary you should be able to throw touchdowns blindfolded) half of his O-Line is slow and ineffective. And while guys like Brady and Manning have also suffered the same problems and come out okay, it's not like Ben has completely fallen apart. He's made it into the post season every year except the one where he was recovering from two major surgeries. The Steelers also statistically had the toughest schedule this year and to end up at the No. 2 seed in the AFC despite that fact really says something. A lot of that can be contributed to the defense, but Ben has had a lot to do with those wins as well.

[Erzengel]

I have to defend myself against people accusing me to be a band wagoner. Jesus, I have season tickets to the Marlins, and went 5 home games last season for the Fins.

1997 - 2003 with Jim Fassel. :csad:

[Darthphere]

I know you aren't, and some others in this thread, but when somebody appears in week 16 and then sports a dolphin avatar the next day...it is kind of suspect.

Yeah, I don't know who that is.

[SurfDUI]

Ah, I can't help it, I love the end of the season when they start axing mediocre coaches... first the Lions, then the Jets and now the Browns... time for the Bengals to get with the program.

Yes

the only thing I was concerned with is Dallas NOT winning the division and Dallas NOT being in the post-season...and both of those have come to fruition

So good:woot:

Man, the sour grapes is magnified to 1,000 today.

HELLS YES-You know we just wrapped one of the best regular season's in recent memory. The Last day was definatly the best. Fortunes one and LOST...SO TAKE A SECOND-Before the playoffs, and enjoy it....SOME OF YOU enjoy it... the Rest get ready for COLTS appreciation week.

"San Diego-SHOW ME YOUR LIGHTNING BOLT!!":cmad:

[FaT_tONle]

I'm glad Mangini was fired by the Jets, because I don't think one playoff appearance in 4 years should get you an extension. Besides, by losing 4 of last 5 games and winless in the west coast, I think it said alot about Mangini's coaching ability, or lack thereof. I hope they will go after a really good coach, but with so many vacancies around, it will be a challenge.

I do have to say that Favre is also responsible for the collapse because of his outrageous amount of interceptions, which probably account for some of those losses that were too close and turnovers were the key (like the last game against the Dolphins). Whether they decide to bring Favre back or not, they have to start looking for a QB they can rely on for the future.

I do have some solace in the fact that four teams have had historic collapses this year... not just my team. I mean HISTORIC collapses... Denver/TB is about as bad as you can get... but to the Jets....

We already talked about it last week... I just think they need to get younger... regardless of who the coach is... they are just not that good. Draft a QB... bring in a veteran stop-gap guy like Derek Anderson or stick with Clemens/Ratliff... Farve has to go... and they need a big time wideout. But most importantly it comes down to defense. Draft yet another pass rusher because Gholston has given you nothing... draft another corner. Defense is the biggest problem... try to bring in a receiver through free agency/trade. Time to rebuild in Jet land... again.

[Dr. Evil]

damn...Marinelli, Crennel, and Mangini all got the boot.....

And Cleveland, The Jets and Lions will all have to adhere to the Rooney Rule and interview a minority candidate.

After of course, Bill Cowher turns them all down.

[Erzengel]

I don't think there's anyone on the horizon in regards to a QB to draft. There's no Flacco or Ryan. I mean I heard of Stafford? With teams like Detroit, St. Louis? Even if there was a bunch of good QBs it wouldn't make it to the Jets pick.

Jets are better off trading for Cassel.

[Showtime]

Yeah, I don't know who that is.

Hard to miss. Brand new shiny Dolphins avatar and signature.

No they should not, his play calling can be suspect at times

See Last Season's Super Bowl.

[Raiden]

I do have some solace in the fact that four teams have had historic collapses this year... not just my team. I mean HISTORIC collapses... Denver/TB is about as bad as you can get... but to the Jets....

We already talked about it last week... I just think they need to get younger... regardless of who the coach is... they are just not that good. Draft a QB... bring in a veteran stop-gap guy like Derek Anderson or stick with Clemens/Ratliff... Farve has to go... and they need a big time wideout. But most importantly it comes down to defense. Draft yet another pass rusher because Gholston has given you nothing... draft another corner. Defense is the biggest problem... try to bring in a receiver through free agency/trade. Time to rebuild in Jet land... again.

I was wrong when I said that Mangini had only one playoff appearance in 4 years, when he was the HC for only 3. Regardless, he had many numerous mistakes during the games, and failed to stop the bleeding when they knew that they still have a chance to win the division when they were heading to Seattle to face the hapless Seahawks. Mangini's problems were exposed and I think the players have tone out against him, which is a sign that he has lost the locker room. Jets will need to find someone who can command respect and bring fundamentals back to the team.

As for QB, I too think that Favre has to go, and Jets need to draft a competent QB. Problem is, this upcoming draft doesn't have alot of great QB, and at 9-7 they will miss out on the best ones. They need to have a veteran QB for at least a year, which may explain why they want Favre to come back because letting Clemens start is not the answer. They need more good defense players, because Jenkin's fatigue toward the end is the reason why their defense suffer tremendous down the stretch. They can use better corners too since their pass defense sux. It is a mess when after spending 140 million last season they still have so many holes they need to address. Tennebaum will have to step up and prove that he has what it takes to be a GM and look for good players that don't command huge salaries, like Pats are able to do.

[Showtime]

EM has been fired as the HC of the J-E-T-S.

[ih8nyy]

Pats gave the Browns permission to talk to Scott Piolli about their vacant GM Job.

[BlackLantern]

And Cleveland, The Jets and Lions will all have to adhere to the Rooney Rule and interview a minority candidate.

After of course, Bill Cowher turns them all down.

I hope none of those individuals get another head coaching position this season....the NFL needs fresh faces, minority and otherwise....first year coaches seem to be having a good year this post season

[FaT_tONle]

I was wrong when I said that Mangini had only one playoff appearance in 4 years, when he was the HC for only 3. Regardless, he had many numerous mistakes during the games, and failed to stop the bleeding when they knew that they still have a chance to win the division when they were heading to Seattle to face the hapless Seahawks. Mangini's problems were exposed and I think the players have tone out against him, which is a sign that he has lost the locker room. Jets will need to find someone who can command respect and bring fundamentals back to the team.

As for QB, I too think that Favre has to go, and Jets need to draft a competent QB. Problem is, this upcoming draft doesn't have alot of great QB, and at 9-7 they will miss out on the best ones. They need to have a veteran QB for at least a year, which may explain why they want Favre to come back because letting Clemens start is not the answer. They need more good defense players, because Faneca's fatigue toward the end is the reason why their defense suffer tremendous down the stretch. They can use better corners too since their pass defense sux. It is a mess when after spending 140 million last season they still have so many holes they need to address. Tennebaum will have to step up and prove that he has what it takes to be a GM and look for good players that don't command huge salaries, like Pats are able to do.

I am not Mel Kiper but I don't think that is an accurate statement. Cassel ain't the answer either... he's too much money. That's the Jets problem... they just go with sexiest guy on the market. Stop going for the sexy moves... BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT... Tannenbaum has to be the guy that makes it happen. This team was built through free agency... even more so than the Cowboys... until they get back to the draft they won't be successful. If anything you trade these veterans and stockpile draft picks.

[Showtime]

Pats gave the Browns permission to talk to Scott Piolli about their vacant GM Job.

As Belichick chains him to the desk.

[Dr. Evil]

I hope none of those individuals get another head coaching position this season....the NFL needs fresh faces, minority and otherwise....first year coaches seem to be having a good year this post season

Giants DC Steve Spagnolo will be a rumored candidate.

[Dark Donnie]

Giants DC Steve Spagnolo will be a rumored candidate.

He's already rumored for The Jets job

[ih8nyy]

As Belichick chains him to the desk.

Wouldn't be surprised if he had no interest. Just like the last two times they gave a team permission to talk to him. But ya never know. 3rd time could be the charm.

[Showtime]

One was the Lions, who was the other team.

[ih8nyy]

One was the Lions, who was the other team.

Seattle.

[Kaleb]

my predictions


Rex Ryan ( Baltimore Defensive coordinator) goes to the Rams to be the new hc
Steve Spagnola ( Giants defensive coordinator) becomes the Browns new Headcoach.
Jim Swawrts ( Titans defensive coordinator) becomes Lions headcoach.

[BlackLantern]

He's already rumored for The Jets job

The Giants gave him a nice 3 or 4 year deal after the Super Bowl and he'll probably get the team when Coughlin leaves in a couple years....Spags isn't going anywhere....get that fantasy out of your heads

[Dark Donnie]

The Giants gave him a nice 3 or 4 year deal after the Super Bowl and he'll probably get the team when Coughlin leaves in a couple years....Spags isn't going anywhere....get that fantasy out of your heads

Rumored to Cleveland as well. I personally don't think he'd go to Cleveland, but The Jets could work.

We'll take him or Ron Rivera back in Philly after Big Red is gone.

[Double Down]

From Rotoworld.com:

The Giants are not expected to try blocking defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo from pursuing head-coaching jobs in the next few weeks.

The NY Daily News reports that the Browns are already hot after Spags and the Jets and Lions are expected to pursue him as well. Interviews can begin this week. Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz will also be in play.

[Showtime]

The Giants gave him a nice 3 or 4 year deal after the Super Bowl and he'll probably get the team when Coughlin leaves in a couple years....Spags isn't going anywhere....get that fantasy out of your heads

Guess it isn't that much of a fantasy...

From Rotoworld.com:

The Giants are not expected to try blocking defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo from pursuing head-coaching jobs in the next few weeks.

The NY Daily News reports that the Browns are already hot after Spags and the Jets and Lions are expected to pursue him as well. Interviews can begin this week. Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz will also be in play.

[BlackLantern]

Does no one promote from within anymore??

[Kaleb]

Does no one promote from within anymore??

San Fran are the only team that has done that this season I think.

[Erzengel]

I think San Fran is going to be a threat next year. Like to see what they do in the draft and offseason.

[Dark Donnie]

Does no one promote from within anymore??

Generally no. Spagnuolo was taken from our staff, and given the DC job in NY. Next step obviously is a HC position. If it looks like Coughlin might stick around a few more years then maybe he leaves. Look at Jason Garrett...he was one of the most sought after Coordinators last season, not so much anymore.

[Cmill216]

Because if your team sucks, there's a pretty good chance most of the members of your staff sucks as well.

[Kaleb]

Generally no. Spagnuolo was taken from our staff, and given the DC job in NY. Next step obviously is a HC position. If it looks like Coughlin might stick around a few more years then maybe he leaves. Look at Jason Garrett...he was one of the most sought after Coordinators last season, not so much anymore.Thank the big man up stairs the ravens passed on him and got John Harbough instead .

[BlackLantern]

I really like John Harbaugh....Jim Zorn as well

[Go Web Go!]

He's already rumored for The Jets job

They should hire Cam Cameron :word:

[Ace of Knaves]

I headed to the big city yesterday...Geesh, what a game it was for the Falcons. I had a feeling that the Rams would show up to play, just to try and make a statement at the season's end...Jackson is a beast, but Turner is a bigger beast :woot:

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Great pics 'Fire! Shame we had to settle for the Wild Card, but I think we can beat Arizona.

[Dark Donnie]

Browns Offense-TM-Browns Dec. 29 - 1:16 pm et

NFL.com's Adam Schefter believes that the Browns have a legitimate shot to land Patriots GM Scott Pioli.

Owner Randy Lerner has already been permitted to speak with the highly regarded exec, and Schefter says Pioli's willingness to listen is the first good sign. Pioli would get much more power in Cleveland than he has now.
Source: NFL.com

[ih8nyy]

They should hire Cam Cameron :word:

The Jets should hire Rich Kotite and bring back Browning Nagle at QB. It's the only solution.

[Double Down]

They should hire Cam Cameron :word:

Then fire him after one year. It's a proven track toward success.

[Showtime]

I wonder of Pete Carroll's name will be thrown around again.

[Kaleb]

Cam stays put :mad:

[Immortalfire]

They should hire Cam Cameron :word:

Maybe he'll draft a punt returner for them.

[Shemtov]

Giants-Titans for the Super Bowl.

[Showtime]

Giants-Titans for the Super Bowl.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3798009

Way to be unoriginal. :csad:

[Erzengel]

I think the 2 teams to get to the SuperBowl will be the winners of the NFC and AFC Championships respectively. :up:

[Shemtov]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3798009

Way to be unoriginal. :csad:
actually that was my own analysis.

[Bunker]

I'd like to see the Panthers and Dolphins.

Not gonna happen, though.

[Shemtov]

I think the 2 teams to get to the SuperBowl will be the winners of the NFC and AFC Championships respectively. :up:
i do not think the Detroit Lions will go to the superbowl this year.

[BlackLantern]

I'd go for Giants/Steelers

Carolina/Baltimore

or Giants/Baltimore...

[Raiden]

i do not think the Detroit Lions will go to the superbowl this year.

:huh:

[Bunker]

i do not think the Detroit Lions will go to the superbowl this year.

Classic spiderboy2 right there.

[Erzengel]

I'd go for Giants/Steelers

Blah, blah, blah, 2004 Draft Picks, blah, blah, blah.

Actually they'd do the same thing if it was Giants/Chargers.

Then of course Manning Bowl, will cause all of them to foam at the mouths.

[ih8nyy]

Then of course Manning Bowl, will cause all of them to foam at the mouths.

And all our heads to explode.

[Immortalfire]

i do not think the Detroit Lions will go to the superbowl this year.

Ya think?

[BlackLantern]

Ideally, I would like Giants/ Atlanta in the NFC Championship and Giants/Ravens in the Super Bowl....

[Shemtov]

Ya think?



well look what erz wrote;
I think the 2 teams to get to the SuperBowl will be the winners of the NFC and AFC Championships respectively. :up:
I'm trying to be equally obvious.

[ih8nyy]

Ya think?

Any truth to the rumor that William Clay Ford Sr. had the phrase, "0-16 The Unperfect Season" copy righted?

[Showtime]

I think the 2 teams to get to the SuperBowl will be the winners of the NFC and AFC Championships respectively. :up:

Thanks Madden.

I am going out on a limb and calling Panthers-Ravens.

[Dark Donnie]

Raiders Offense-TM-Raiders Dec. 29 - 2:25 pm et

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the Raiders are currently in the process of requesting permission to speak with Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride about their head-coaching job.

This shows there's no guarantee that interim coach Tom Cable will be back despite Oakland's relatively strong finish to 2008. Mort expects Gilbride to interview for the job. Cable is scheduled to meet with Al Davis soon.
Source: ESPN.com

[Erzengel]

Thanks Madden.

I am going out on a limb and calling Panthers-Ravens.
Well it will also depend on who scores more points.

[Immortalfire]

Source: ESPN.com

Cable didn't win them a Super Bowl. Thus, he's out the door.

[Immortalfire]

Any truth to the rumor that William Clay Ford Sr. had the phrase, "0-16 The Unperfect Season" copy righted?

"Unperfect"...lol

[ih8nyy]

Raiders Offense-TM-Raiders Dec. 29 - 2:25 pm et

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the Raiders are currently in the process of requesting permission to speak with Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride about their head-coaching job.

This shows there's no guarantee that interim coach Tom Cable will be back despite Oakland's relatively strong finish to 2008. Mort expects Gilbride to interview for the job. Cable is scheduled to meet with Al Davis soon.

Source: ESPN.com

That's just like Al Davis to screw up what little progress they made this season. Go get another retread of a coach. He may as well hire Art Shell again. :up:

[BlackLantern]

Al Davis should coach...and then a linemen should barrel into him during a play....

[Showtime]

Al Davis has been dead for about 11 years, he just doesn't know it yet.

[Erzengel]

I think someone made the joke about some sort of bad play by the Raiders and that Al Davis must be rolling around in his grave.

[That-Guy]

"Unperfect"...lol

Heh, it is amazing that last year, We had Undefeated New England and this year we have Defeated Detroit.

[Erzengel]

I still think they are better than the 74 Bucs? They went 0 - 14 and then 0 - 12?

[Showtime]

Well it will also depend on who scores more points.

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[Immortalfire]

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:lmao:

[Showtime]

I think someone made the joke about some sort of bad play by the Raiders and that Al Davis must be rolling around in his grave.

That IS awesome.

Heh, it is amazing that last year, We had Undefeated New England and this year we have Defeated Detroit.

I was talking about that with my dad yesterday.

[That-Guy]

I still think they are better than the 74 Bucs? They went 0 - 14 and then 0 - 12?

They're certainly on their way to that. Just to rub it in, they should get hit with the toughest schedule next year just to see how long they can go without winning a game.

[Immortalfire]

Heh, it is amazing that last year, We had Undefeated New England and this year we have Defeated Detroit.

That's about as amazing as the fact that a blonde played a redhead, and a redhead played a blonde in Spider-Man 3! :wow:

[That-Guy]

That's about as amazing as the fact that a blonde played a redhead, and a redhead played a blonde in Spider-Man 3! :wow:

LOL, yeah. I remember the realization of that hitting me after I walked out of the theater. Suddenly, I was like WTF?!!

[Shemtov]

They're certainly on their way to that. Just to rub it in, they should get hit with the toughest schedule next year just to see how long they can go without winning a game.
if i was a lions fan i'd be praying that they face the super bowl champs next year. because if they lose nobody'll care and if they win....they get every bit of there respectetibility back.

[NewYorkSpider]

Playoff Pool Participants:

NewYorkSpider
Showtime
Dark Donnie
ih8nyy
Matt
Venom'sDad
Double Down
Excel
Metropolis Man
BunkerXXI
Panophobia
Bond
CConn
CalebYourMaster
Addendum
gogetter0587
Thor Odinson
Raiden


Anyone can join. The more the merrier.

[Shemtov]

Playoff Pool Participants:

NewYorkSpider
Showtime
Dark Donnie
ih8nyy
Matt
Venom'sDad
Double Down
Excel
Metropolis Man
BunkerXXI
Panophobia
Bond
CConn
CalebYourMaster
Addendum
gogetter0587


Anyone can join. The more the merrier.
whats a playoff pool? :huh:

[Showtime]

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[Erzengel]

They're certainly on their way to that. Just to rub it in, they should get hit with the toughest schedule next year just to see how long they can go without winning a game.

2009 Schedule
Vikings x 2
Packers x 2
Bears x 2
Cardinals
49ers
Seahawks
Rams
Saints
Redskins
Steelers
Ravens
Browns
Bengals

[Immortalfire]

2009 Schedule
Vikings x 2
Packers x 2
Bears x 2
Cardinals
49ers
Seahawks
Rams
Saints
Redskins
Patriots
Ravens
Browns
Bengals
They might beat the Browns.

[ih8nyy]

Heh, it is amazing that last year, We had Undefeated New England and this year we have Defeated Detroit.

NFL.com will be selling Book Ends that depict the Pats 2007 and the Lions 2008 Regular Seasons.

[NewYorkSpider]

whats a playoff pool? :huh:

We all wear are team memorabila and sit by the pool and talk playoffs!

[Dr. Evil]

Lions to interview first candidate:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/12/29/interview-process-already-underway-for-vacant-coaching-jobs/

[That-Guy]

http://since57.com/

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/zeroandsixteen_final-1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/rebuilding_PRESEASONCHAMPS2-1.jpg

OMG that is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I'm buying both of those shirts.

[Immortalfire]

We all wear are team memorabila and sit by the pool and talk playoffs!

Chris Berman and company wish they could do it that cool.

[Shemtov]

i knew what a pool was.... i was joking. it's a pick 'em right? anyway i'm joining.

[Double Down]

From rotoworld.com:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Dolphins VP of Football Operations Bill Parcells is telling those close to him that he would consider coaching again if the right situation comes about.

Parcells has an out in his contract if Wayne Huizenga sells the Fins to current co-owner Stephen Ross. ESPN reported Sunday that Parcells might jump to another team as GM, but the Star-Ledger says the Tuna would also be interested in coaching the talent he evaluates. Any team pursuing Parcells would obviously have to realize he's a short-term solution. If Parcells does return to the sidelines, the Jets would appear to be his best fit.

[Immortalfire]

From rotoworld.com:

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Dolphins VP of Football Operations Bill Parcells is telling those close to him that he would consider coaching again if the right situation comes about.

Parcells has an out in his contract if Wayne Huizenga sells the Fins to current co-owner Stephen Ross. ESPN reported Sunday that Parcells might jump to another team as GM, but the Star-Ledger says the Tuna would also be interested in coaching the talent he evaluates. Any team pursuing Parcells would obviously have to realize he's a short-term solution. If Parcells does return to the sidelines, the Jets would appear to be his best fit.

The Lions will give him a call.

[Bond]

The radio in Dallas is ****ing awesome today.

[NewYorkSpider]

i knew what a pool was.... i was joking. it's a pick 'em right? anyway i'm joining.

Yeah. I'll sign you up.

Fire, you want in?

[BlackLantern]

The radio in Dallas is ****ing awesome today.

Nice...post some highlights if you can