2008 NFL Thread

[RAMORE]

Are 5 posts in a row really necessary?

Um they are if I haven't been to this thread in a few days and I want to respond to a few things then why not?:huh:

Who cares if I post 15 times they are about different things, and I swear if somebody reported that so it would be removed you are a jerkwad!:cmad:

Not you Go web Go...unless you did it.

Ps. Sorry about your dolphins I was rooting for them.

[Matt]

Though nobody will deny that the Patriots had a hideous recieving corps, their defense was actually excellent. It was the 2nd best in the NFL averaging just 14.8 points per game, which is their franchise record low, and forced a ton of turn overs.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Defense&cat=Total&conference=NFL&year=season_2006&sort=530&old_category=Total&old_group=Offense

My mistake, must be getting my years crossed.

[Cmill216]

I don't get it. The argument has always been that Peyton can't win the big game right? So by that basis he should've crapped his pants during the Super Bowl and be in the fetal position facing the Bears defense. But he overcame his big gameitis and won the ****ing Super Bowl. What is exactly the *****ing and hate about exactly? That he faced an injured Pats team and that's why the Colts won? WHo gives a ****, injuries happen late in the season, great teams are supposed to overcome that. They caught a few breaks, but Matt makes it seem like winning the Super Bowl is a cake walk.

They had to overcome a 18 point deficit in the AFC Championship against a team they supposedly couldn't beat when it mattered. If Manning was a genuine choke artist, there's no way Indianapolis wins that game.

[RAMORE]

You're right, I forgot about that one. I'm curious to see what happens with him next season.

I heard they were going to franchise tag him. Which is smart brady is behind on his rehab and won't be ready and he now knows the offense and hopefully will open it up a little more next year. Then when Brady is ready ease him back. Then next year let him go free agent to make his money. And if by some miracle brady is ready you can trade him. The only down side is the Millions they will have tied up in two QB but they've got the room.

[Excel]

Tom Brady is no Joe Montana.

No doubt.

Brady is worlds better. Montana spent a carreer throwing to the best wide reciever ever but only had a carreer high of 31 touchdown passes, while Brady had one season with Moss and throws 50. Brady will likelt retire wiith over 300 touchdowns passes to Montanas 273, over 50,000 passing yards to Montanas 40,000 (all of that while spending the bulk of his carreer without a real wide reciever & a season in his prime injured for 16 games), less carreer interceptions, and at the very least 3 super vowl titles, a last minute super bowl loss that wasnt on Brady, a 16-0 regular season, and probably another super bowl title, to Montanas 4.

No doubt about it, Tommy boy is the better of the 2.

He elevated his game in the clutch just fine in the AFC championship game the year the Colts won it all.

I know, he gave his defense a 21 point cushion at half time! Talk about ideal!

If you are seriously trying to say tom Brady isnt clutch in any way, shape, or form...gtfo of the sports forum please :up:

[RAMORE]

They had to overcome a 18 point deficit in the AFC Championship against a team they supposedly couldn't beat when it mattered. If Manning was a genuine choke artist, there's no way Indianapolis wins that game.

Agreed the sweetest thing about that whole run for me was that they had to go through the pats and were behind in the fourth and when it was done I said they will never say he can't win the big game again....I was wrong apparently.

[Double Down]

Kurt Warner should be high on Chicago Bears' shopping list
Bears would be wise to show interest in 37-year-old potential Hall of Fame QB
David Haugh | On the Bears
January 6, 2009
An NFL general manager who establishes finding a quarterback as his team's top off-season priority, as Jerry Angelo has for the Bears, is like an astronaut who says he is ready to soar into space.

Conceptually, there can be no limits to the possibilities, or what's the use?

That thought left the deepest impression when considering how the Bears viewed the first round of the NFL playoffs, a weekend that included 37-year-old free-agent-to-be Kurt Warner taking the Arizona Cardinals franchise to uncharted postseason territory.

Warner looked like the guy with two league MVP trophies on his mantel in completing 19 of 32 passes for 271 yards, two TDs and one interception in Saturday's 30-24 win over Atlanta. In Arizona, he's hotter than a black asphalt driveway, and the Cardinals would be foolish to let him hit the open market.

Yet as NFL.com reminded every quarterback-deficient team in the league Sunday, Warner and the Cardinals have made no progress in contract talks. Despite Warner's stated goal to retire with Arizona, various reports depict the two sides as being no closer than tourists on opposite ends of a famous canyon in the state.

The Cardinals have several expensive players to re-sign this off-season and still have a young quarterback waiting in the wings: Matt Leinart, in whom they still believe and in whom they have invested millions. Wishful thinking or not, the situation bears monitoring for Angelo if even the slightest chance exists of Warner hitting the open market.

There would be no shame in Kyle Orton biding time behind a potential Hall of Fame quarterback such as Warner, who might have two good years left and be relatively affordable with a contract that reflects that.

Now that it appears Donovan McNabb will be going nowhere this off-season but to a bank in Philadelphia with a new contract, the Bears have to turn their most ambitious thoughts to Warner.

Besides the Chicago connection with Lovie Smith, who was the Rams' defensive coordinator when Warner led the team to the 2002 Super Bowl, Warner's agent, Mark Bartelstein, also works in the city.

The Bears missed out on an opportunity to sign Warner in 2005 when he visited Halas Hall. He wanted an assurance he could compete for the starting job, something the Bears were unwilling to give with Rex Grossman in place. As legend has it, the quarterback-cursed franchise also lost out in 1997 when Warner had to cancel a tryout with the Bears because of swelling in his right arm caused by a spider bite suffered on his honeymoon. What a tangled quarterback web the Bears have woven since then.

From a marketing standpoint, Chicago would be an ideal spot for Warner to position himself for life after football, especially if he's interested in broadcasting. But from a football standpoint, Warner or any other quarterback might need a psychological exam if he chose the Bears over a Cardinals team with a Pro Bowl tandem of wide receivers.

Still, money can be persuasive even to the most philanthropic of quarterbacks. So if the Cardinals allow Warner to enter free agency and a bidding war ensues in March, the Bears truly have to consider putting themselves in the middle of it.

Two league developments over the weekend provided evidence for Angelo to support the contention that better quarterback play, more than anything else, can help the Bears return to the playoffs next season. Exhibit A came from the report that the Patriots intend to use a $14 million franchise tag on quarterback Matt Cassel, who likely will back up Tom Brady—committing $29 million (24 percent) of the salary cap to the position. Exhibit B came when Joe Flacco of the Ravens and Chad Pennington of the Dolphins—first-year starters for their teams—faced off.

Given the number of teams that made the playoffs with first-year quarterbacks (three) and the success of what Angelo referred to as the "over-the-hill quarterback gang," the Bears must keep every option open to remain consistent in their thinking.

Even options that might seem unattainable now.

A team searching harder for a quarterback than for any other player cannot afford to ignore the most qualified one if he becomes available.

I also read recently that the Vikings are keeping tabs on the Warner contract situation as well.

[Excel]

Warners so overrated...most of tds are more the wr then him.

[RAMORE]

Only if you're a spamming noob.

I never thought I would be saying this to you but you need to shut the hell up and look before you leap.

I posted 5 times in a row to comment on different things since I hadn't been on this board...and what?

By the way this noob joined before you and was coming to these boards two years or more before that I just don't post every second so I don't have crazy numbers so in short...I SAID GOOD DAY!!!

[Immortalfire]

The Cardinals have several expensive players to re-sign this off-season and still have a young quarterback waiting in the wings: Matt Leinart, in whom they still believe and in whom they have invested millions.

The more Arizona continues to think Leinart is their future, the more they are doomed to fail.

[Cmill216]

LOL. Warner makes no sense in Chicago.

Kurt's at his best when he has outstanding talent around him. The guy can distribute the ball beautifully. But Chicago's passing situation is about as depleted as it gets. Warner wouldn't make them any better than Orton would.

[Double Down]

The more Arizona continues to think Leinart is their future, the more they are doomed to fail.

I agree 100%. The team has a generally poor defense, lousy special teams and no running game. Leinart would wilt as the starter (again).

[Dark Donnie]

I never thought I would be saying this to you but you need to shut the hell up and look before you leap.

I posted 5 times in a row to comment on different things since I hadn't been on this board...and what?

By the way this noob joined before you and was coming to these boards two years or more before that I just don't post every second so I don't have crazy numbers so in short...I SAID GOOD DAY!!!

There's the Multi Quote button

[Immortalfire]

I never thought I would be saying this to you but you need to shut the hell up and look before you leap.

I posted 5 times in a row to comment on different things since I hadn't been on this board...and what?

By the way this noob joined before you and was coming to these boards two years or more before that I just don't post every second so I don't have crazy numbers so in short...I SAID GOOD DAY!!!

Who stuffed a rabid weasel in your shorts? :huh:

[Matt]

LOL. Warner makes no sense in Chicago.

Kurt's at his best when he has outstanding talent around him. The guy can distribute the ball beautifully. But Chicago's passing situation is about as depleted as it gets. Warner wouldn't make them any better than Orton would.

Agreed. With a few good defensive moves, the Cardinals could be Super Bowl contenders next year under Warner. Especially with the recievers he has. To let him go to a team like Chicago is absurd. And if I'm Warner, there is maybe one other team in the league I look at...Minnesota. If Warner does not get a contract from Arizona or Minnesota, which I think are the only two teams that would want him where he can thrive...then I'd retire instead of risking my legacy.

[RAMORE]

Kurt Warner should be high on Chicago Bears' shopping list
Bears would be wise to show interest in 37-year-old potential Hall of Fame QB
David Haugh | On the Bears
January 6, 2009
An NFL general manager who establishes finding a quarterback as his team's top off-season priority, as Jerry Angelo has for the Bears, is like an astronaut who says he is ready to soar into space.

Conceptually, there can be no limits to the possibilities, or what's the use?

That thought left the deepest impression when considering how the Bears viewed the first round of the NFL playoffs, a weekend that included 37-year-old free-agent-to-be Kurt Warner taking the Arizona Cardinals franchise to uncharted postseason territory.

Warner looked like the guy with two league MVP trophies on his mantel in completing 19 of 32 passes for 271 yards, two TDs and one interception in Saturday's 30-24 win over Atlanta. In Arizona, he's hotter than a black asphalt driveway, and the Cardinals would be foolish to let him hit the open market.

Yet as NFL.com reminded every quarterback-deficient team in the league Sunday, Warner and the Cardinals have made no progress in contract talks. Despite Warner's stated goal to retire with Arizona, various reports depict the two sides as being no closer than tourists on opposite ends of a famous canyon in the state.

The Cardinals have several expensive players to re-sign this off-season and still have a young quarterback waiting in the wings: Matt Leinart, in whom they still believe and in whom they have invested millions. Wishful thinking or not, the situation bears monitoring for Angelo if even the slightest chance exists of Warner hitting the open market.

There would be no shame in Kyle Orton biding time behind a potential Hall of Fame quarterback such as Warner, who might have two good years left and be relatively affordable with a contract that reflects that.

Now that it appears Donovan McNabb will be going nowhere this off-season but to a bank in Philadelphia with a new contract, the Bears have to turn their most ambitious thoughts to Warner.

Besides the Chicago connection with Lovie Smith, who was the Rams' defensive coordinator when Warner led the team to the 2002 Super Bowl, Warner's agent, Mark Bartelstein, also works in the city.

The Bears missed out on an opportunity to sign Warner in 2005 when he visited Halas Hall. He wanted an assurance he could compete for the starting job, something the Bears were unwilling to give with Rex Grossman in place. As legend has it, the quarterback-cursed franchise also lost out in 1997 when Warner had to cancel a tryout with the Bears because of swelling in his right arm caused by a spider bite suffered on his honeymoon. What a tangled quarterback web the Bears have woven since then.

From a marketing standpoint, Chicago would be an ideal spot for Warner to position himself for life after football, especially if he's interested in broadcasting. But from a football standpoint, Warner or any other quarterback might need a psychological exam if he chose the Bears over a Cardinals team with a Pro Bowl tandem of wide receivers.

Still, money can be persuasive even to the most philanthropic of quarterbacks. So if the Cardinals allow Warner to enter free agency and a bidding war ensues in March, the Bears truly have to consider putting themselves in the middle of it.

Two league developments over the weekend provided evidence for Angelo to support the contention that better quarterback play, more than anything else, can help the Bears return to the playoffs next season. Exhibit A came from the report that the Patriots intend to use a $14 million franchise tag on quarterback Matt Cassel, who likely will back up Tom Brady—committing $29 million (24 percent) of the salary cap to the position. Exhibit B came when Joe Flacco of the Ravens and Chad Pennington of the Dolphins—first-year starters for their teams—faced off.

Given the number of teams that made the playoffs with first-year quarterbacks (three) and the success of what Angelo referred to as the "over-the-hill quarterback gang," the Bears must keep every option open to remain consistent in their thinking.

Even options that might seem unattainable now.

A team searching harder for a quarterback than for any other player cannot afford to ignore the most qualified one if he becomes available.

I also read recently that the Vikings are keeping tabs on the Warner contract situation as well.


Very interesting I think Warner is still good but not great anymore. Arizona is great for him for a couple of reasons, best recieving tandem in the NFL, warm dry climate good for old bones:D He should take a paycut and stay he want's to win he's got money already.

[ih8nyy]

Who stuffed a rabid weasel in your shorts? :huh:

I'll take the blame for that one.

[Cmill216]

Agreed. With a few good defensive moves, the Cardinals could be Super Bowl contenders next year under Warner. Especially with the recievers he has. To let him go to a team like Chicago is absurd. And if I'm Warner, there is maybe one other team in the league I look at...Minnesota. If Warner does not get a contract from Arizona or Minnesota, which I think are the only two teams that would want him where he can thrive...then I'd retire instead of risking my legacy.

IMO, he needs to keep his behind in Arizona. I don't think there's a better situation in the league for him. He's got two Pro Bowl wideouts and a solid core around them. Not to mention a creative head coach who puts him in the best position to succeed. He's not going to find a better fit out there.

Minnesota has diddly poo at wideout, outside of Berrian.

[Holiday]

Brady is worlds better. Montana spent a carreer throwing to the best wide reciever ever but only had a carreer high of 31 touchdown passes, while Brady had one season with Moss and throws 50. Brady will likelt retire wiith over 300 touchdowns passes to Montanas 273, over 50,000 passing yards to Montanas 40,000 (all of that while spending the bulk of his carreer without a real wide reciever & a season in his prime injured for 16 games), less carreer interceptions, and at the very least 3 super vowl titles, a last minute super bowl loss that wasnt on Brady, a 16-0 regular season, and probably another super bowl title, to Montanas 4.

This is a different era of pro football. It's much more of a passing league now, you can't just compare touchdown passes and yards between two players who are 20 years apart. And you have to put some of the blame for that loss on Brady. He laughed at the idea that his team wouldn't score more than 17 points when they ended up only scoring 14. It's his job to lead the offense and put points on the board, he couldn't do it.

Also, you're just making assumption's about Brady's final career numbers. If his knee doesn't heal properly he may never play another game again.


I know, he gave his defense a 21 point cushion at half time! Talk about ideal!He led his team back from being down 18 points, and led the final drive that won the the Colts the game. That is clutch.

If you are seriously trying to say tom Brady isnt clutch in any way, shape, or form...gtfo of the sports forum please :up:I never said anything remotely similar to that, you basically just made that up. And you have absolutely no right to tell anyone what forum to get the **** out of.

[Excel]

This is a different era of pro football. It's much more of a passing league now, you can't just compare touchdown passes and yards between two players who are 20 years apart. And you have to put some of the blame for that loss on Brady. He laughed at the idea that his team wouldn't score more than 17 points when they ended up only scoring 14. It's his job to lead the offense and put points on the board, he couldn't do it.

Also, you're just making assumption's about Brady's final career numbers. If his knee doesn't heal properly he may never play another game again.


He led his team back from being down 18 points, and led the final drive that won the the Colts the game. That is clutch.

Brady marches down the field and gave his team the lead with little time left. Nothing else he could have done. Even if Brady fails to play another game (which is EXTREMELY unlikely), hell still be the greatest to ever play due what he accomplished in such a short amount of time.

And Peyton has clutch drive. Cool, nobody will deny that. It is still dwarfed the amount of times hes choked.

[Belvedere]

God, Angelo thinks he's so smart.

Two years removed from the Super Bowl and he's starting to get under the hot seat, what do you do? Good ole' Quarterback Controversy in Chicago to save the day!

[RAMORE]

Who stuffed a rabid weasel in your shorts? :huh:

It's not a weasel...it's an animaniac and you did when criticized me and called me a noob when i've been here longer than you:csad:

[Excel]

Minnesota has diddly poo at wideout, outside of Berrian.

Sydney Rice gonna be a great one. He had a ****** year this season, but he just turned 22 3 months ago and all the physical tools in the world, along with a great attitude.

Ideally, the Vikings land Donovan McNabb. They would be an NFC powerhouse for sure, though to be honest Tarvaris Jackson hasnt looked half bad since Furrotte went down.

[Holiday]

Brady marches down the field and gave his team the lead with little time left. Nothing else he could have done. Even if Brady fails to play another game (which is EXTREMELY unlikely), hell still be the greatest to ever play due what he accomplished in such a short amount of time.

The game shouldn't have even come down to that, Brady had those weapons playing wide receiver for four quarters and all he managed to put up on the board was 14 points.

Sorry, as of right now, the honor of greatest QB to play the game goes to Joe Montana.

[ih8nyy]

It's not a weasel...it's an animaniac and you did when criticized me and called me a noob when i've been here longer than you:csad:

*snicker* :hehe:

*sits back and hopes for some fireworks.*

[RAMORE]

Brady for me but i'm biased I didn't watch montanna play.

[Matt]

IMO, he needs to keep his behind in Arizona. I don't think there's a better situation in the league for him. He's got two Pro Bowl wideouts and a solid core around them. Not to mention a creative head coach who puts him in the best position to succeed. He's not going to find a better fit out there.

Minnesota has diddly poo at wideout, outside of Berrian.

I tend to agree. Though the Vikings at least have one of the best running games in the league to open up his passing, plus if they brought in Warner they could draft a compatible reciever.

But yeah, I agree Arizona is his best fit for all the reasons you pointed out. Especially Whisenhunt who seems to be one of the few people in that organization behind Warner and against the whole "Leinhart is our future," B.S.. If Arizona can put together a few key defensive players in the off season, they will be a huge NFC threat...I hope Warner realizes that they are his best and last chance at another ring, as this man has already made one hell of a come back. I would hate to see him ruin his legacy yet again.

[RAMORE]

*snicker* :hehe:

*sits back and hopes for some fireworks.*

Keep waiting punk I'm a chill guy...most of the time:D

By the way what game is that video in your sig from?:wow: It makes the artest fight with fans look like a love fest!

[Holiday]

Brady for me but i'm biased I didn't watch montanna play.

That's the problem. People forget about past greats simply because they played before their time. I've seen enough and read enough about Joe to understand he should be considered the greatest QB to play the game. He came through in every Super Bowl he played in, as opposed to Brady who blew his chance to remove all doubt last year on who the greatest is.

[ih8nyy]

By the way what game is that video in your sig from?:wow: It makes the artest fight with fans look like a love fest!

Bruins vs. Rangers at Madison Square Garden, on December 26, 1979, a New York Rangers fan stole Stan Jonathan's stick, hitting him with it during a post-game scrum. When other fans got involved, Terry O'Reilly charged into the stands followed by his teammates. The rest is hockey history. Olde Time Hockey.

[ih8nyy]

Bruins vs. Rangers at Madison Square Garden, on December 26, 1979, a New York Rangers fan stole Stan Jonathan's stick, hitting him with it during a post-game scrum. When other fans got involved, Terry O'Reilly charged into the stands followed by his teammates. The rest is hockey history. Olde Time Hockey.

BTW, best part is when Mike Milbury #26 beats a guy with his own shoe.

[RAMORE]

I tend to agree. Though the Vikings at least have one of the best running games in the league to open up his passing, plus if they brought in Warner they could draft a compatible reciever.

But yeah, I agree Arizona is his best fit for all the reasons you pointed out. Especially Whisenhunt who seems to be one of the few people in that organization behind Warner and against the whole "Leinhart is our future," B.S.. If Arizona can put together a few key defensive players in the off season, they will be a huge NFC threat...I hope Warner realizes that they are his best and last chance at another ring, as this man has already made one hell of a come back. I would hate to see him ruin his legacy yet again.



Aren't there going to be some good defensive players in free agency next year? He can't ruin his Legacy it is what it is good or bad. I won't remember Favre with the Jets 10 years from now I'll remember Green Bay.

[Showtime]

As a Patriots fan, and a follower of the Colts since 1995, I think you can put Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in this category, the "two greatest quarterbacks of this decade". Going any further than that is premature at this point. I think they are both sure fire Hall of Famers at this point because of their stats and accomplishments, but let us not start comparing either of them to Montana until their careers are completed.

[RAMORE]

BTW, best part is when Mike Milbury #26 beats a guy with his own shoe.

I know I saw that and I was like WTH he's pulling off his skate so he can kill that guy:wow:

[ih8nyy]

Aren't there going to be some good defensive players in free agency next year? He can't ruin his Legacy it is what it is good or bad. I won't remember Favre with the Jets 10 years from now I'll remember Green Bay.

50 years from now I will remember Favre for screwing up the Pats 2008 season and his 5 minutes in "There's Something about Mary".

[Double Down]

Aren't there going to be some good defensive players in free agency next year? He can't ruin his Legacy it is what it is good or bad. I won't remember Favre with the Jets 10 years from now I'll remember Green Bay.

Terrell Suggs will be a free agent and he would be a great fit. Plus, he went to Arizona State.
When Suggs came out, the Cardinals' fans really wanted them to draft him, but they traded the pick and got Bryant Johnston and Calvin Pace instead.

[RAMORE]

As a Patriots fan, and a follower of the Colts since 1995, I think you can put Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in this category, the "two greatest quarterbacks of this decade". Going any further than that is premature at this point. I think they are both sure fire Hall of Famers at this point because of their stats and accomplishments, but let us not start comparing either of them to Montana until their careers are completed.

Agreed....Wait are you putting Favre in the last decade?

[Showtime]

Agreed....Wait are you putting Favre in the last decade?

He would still count, but he wouldn't be better than Manning or Brady.

[That-Guy]

50 years from now I will remember Favre for screwing up the Pats 2008 season and his 5 minutes in "There's Something about Mary".

LOL, I always think of that when I see him play.

[ih8nyy]

LOL, I always think of that when I see him play.

"What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?"

"I'm in town to play the Dolphins ya dumbass."

[That-Guy]

"What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?"

"I'm in town to play the Dolphins ya dumbass."

One of the funniest cameos ever. :woot:

[ih8nyy]

One of the funniest cameos ever. :woot:

Not as good as Cam Neely in "Dumb and Dumber" though. That hat he wears really makes the Seabass character work.

[Dr. Evil]

Vincent Jackson = Moron

[Raiden]

Vincent Jackson = Moron

He should've waited until after the playoff to get arrested for DUI.

[Mister J]

Pro Football Hall of Fame Finalists Announced (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3814601)
CANTON, Ohio -- Career sacks leader Bruce Smith, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe and John Randle are among the 15 finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the only first-year eligible players to make the final round this year.

Joining them will be two contributors: former commissioner Paul Tagliabue and Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson, as well as two senior nominees selected last August by the Senior Committee: former Atlanta defensive end Claude Humphrey and former Dallas wide receiver Bob Hayes.

Between four and seven candidates will be elected in the balloting that will take place in Tampa on Jan. 31, the day before the Super Bowl. The field was narrowed by the Hall's 44-member board of selectors from 133 to 25 before reducing it to the final 15.

Of the other finalists, only former Pittsburgh center Dermontti Dawson and former Seattle defensive lineman Cortez Kennedy have not been finalists before.

The rest: wide receivers Cris Carter and Andre Reed; defensive end Richard Dent; guards Russ Grimm, Bob Kuechenberg and Randall McDaniel; and linebacker Derrick Thomas.

Smith played from 1985-1999 with Buffalo, then spent four years in Washington. He finished with 200 sacks, the most since they began an official statistic in 1982.

Woodson, who played cornerback and safety from 1987-2003 with Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Oakland -- and also played some offense -- had 72 interceptions. Sharpe, who played for Denver and Baltimore from 1990-2003, holds the records for receptions by a tight end with 815. And Randle had 137 sacks from defensive tackle for Minnesota and Seattle from 1990-2003.
Smith, Woodson, Sharpe, Tagliabue, Wilson, Hayes, Carter/Reed (Carter's more likely).

[ih8nyy]

Vincent Jackson = Moron

I smell an off season pick up for the Bengals. He'll fit right in.

[Alex The Great]

Who stuffed a rabid weasel in your shorts? :huh:
Badger did it :cmad:

[Dr. Evil]

Pro Football Hall of Fame Finalists Announced (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3814601)

Smith, Woodson, Sharpe, Tagliabue, Wilson, Hayes, Carter/Reed (Carter's more likely).

I would have Sharpe, Smith, Hayes, Wilson, Woodson, Thomas, Tagliabue and Carter. Derrick Thomas is well deserving of being in.

[NewYorkSpider]

Has there been a QB in NFL history to take two different teams to the Super Bowl? Because Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner could do that.

Also, Joe Flacco could become the youngest QB in NFL history to start in the Super Bowl if the Ravens make it.

If the Giants win the Super Bowl, Eli Manning will be among some of the greats that have won back to back Super Bowls.

Bart Starr
Terry Bradshaw (did it twice)
Bob Griese
Joe Montana
Troy Aikman
John Elway
Tom Brady

[Dark Donnie]

Reggie Bush-RB-Saints Jan. 7 - 12:50 am et

Saints GM Mickey Loomis revealed Tuesday that Reggie Bush recently had microfracture surgery on his left knee.

The Saints initially called the surgery a simple scope, but it was much more serious and deals a blow to Bush's long-term outlook. While Loomis claims Bush will be ready by June minicamps, that's far from certain. Athletes that need microfracture typically are nearing a bone-on-bone condition due to a lack of cartilage in a joint. The procedure doesn't always fix the problem. This is the third operation on Bush's left knee in the last two years, which is a very negative sign for a player that relies so much on cutting ability and speed.
Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

[Immortalfire]

It seems like Reggie has been hurt ever since the Saints drafted him.

[Venom'sDad]

Has there been a QB in NFL history to take two different teams to the Super Bowl? Because Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner could do that.

I think maybe Craig Morton[Dallas/Denver] not quite sure

[Cmill216]

6 of the 8 starting quarterbacks remaining have started in the Super Bowl.

Rivers played in last year's AFC title game, and Flacco is a rookie.

[Dark Donnie]

Curran: Brady could start next season on PUP

NBCSports.com's Tom Curran believes Tom Brady could start next season on the PUP list.

We're so far from training camp, that this must be considered highly informed speculation. But Brady's slow recovery, in Curran's eyes, makes it far more likely for the Patriots to franchise Cassel and keep both quarterbacks for 2009 rather than trade Cassel. Jan. 7 - 11:04 am et
Source: NBCSports.com

Source: No decision made on Cassel yet

The decision to place the franchise tag on Matt Cassel has not been made, according to the NBCSports.com's Tom Curran.

A few reports jumped the gun this weekend and will probably prove correct, but they were speculative. "Needless to say, no decision has been made," a Patriots source involved with the call made told Curran. In the end, however, it is the likeliest course of action. Jan. 7 - 10:57 am et
Source: NBCSports.com

[RAMORE]

He would still count, but he wouldn't be better than Manning or Brady.

In his prime I say Favres better than manning.

[ih8nyy]

Well the Pats are certainly going to Franchise him from the looks of it. Why would they risk letting him go for nothing to a team within the division? ie The Jets. If they do franchise him, they can still trade him during the season if it looks as if TFB is going to come back before the trading deadline.

[RAMORE]

I smell an off season pick up for the Bengals. He'll fit right in.

Hahahahaha:grin:

[Showtime]

In his prime I say Favres better than manning.

That may be true, but I was referring to this decade, Favre's prime to me was the mid to late 90's.

[RAMORE]

Has there been a QB in NFL history to take two different teams to the Super Bowl? Because Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner could do that.

Also, Joe Flacco could become the youngest QB in NFL history to start in the Super Bowl if the Ravens make it.

If the Giants win the Super Bowl, Eli Manning will be among some of the greats that have won back to back Super Bowls.

Bart Starr
Terry Bradshaw (did it twice)
Bob Griese
Joe Montana
Troy Aikman
John Elway
Tom Brady


And if Eli wins back to back don't you have to say he is better than his brother? Which is hard for me to admit because like many when I look at him I still see that whiny baby who didn't want to go to the chargers.

[RAMORE]

Well the Pats are certainly going to Franchise him from the looks of it. Why would they risk letting him go for nothing to a team within the division? ie The Jets. If they do franchise him, they can still trade him during the season if it looks as if TFB is going to come back before the trading deadline.

Exactly its the smart thing to do. And while most players get mad for not getting a long term deal I think he'll be super happy about being paid that amount for one year and finally making some money. Besides his NFL career has basically just started if you think about it.

[RAMORE]

That may be true, but I was referring to this decade, Favre's prime to me was the mid to late 90's.

True which is why I was going to put him in the previous decade.

[BlackLantern]

And if Eli wins back to back don't you have to say he is better than his brother? Which is hard for me to admit because like many when I look at him I still see that whiny baby who didn't want to go to the chargers.

that all disappeared the minute he won a Super Bowl ring...let it go...IMO the draft system is flawed anyway

[ih8nyy]

And if Eli wins back to back don't you have to say he is better than his brother? Which is hard for me to admit because like many when I look at him I still see that whiny baby who didn't want to go to the chargers.

That would be the Manning Face. Peyton has it too.

[ih8nyy]

Exactly its the smart thing to do. And while most players get mad for not getting a long term deal I think he'll be super happy about being paid that amount for one year and finally making some money. Besides his NFL career has basically just started if you think about it.

Plus he will still get paid after the fact. If Schaub can get 8 million a year after going 2-2 with the Falcons he can get at least 10 million.

[Mister J]

Has there been a QB in NFL history to take two different teams to the Super Bowl? Because Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner could do that.
Not in the way that Collins or Warner would accomplish. Earl Morrall stepped in when Johnny U got hurt in preseason and took the Colts to the Super Bowl III against the Jets. Later, he stepped in when Bob Griese got hurt during the perfect season, but got replaced by Griese in the AFC Championship game and Super Bowl.

That's the closest. There are some other examples where QBs were on the roster of two different Super Bowl teams, but didn't have any significant playing time.

[rdh007]

If Eli goes to the Super Bowl, he's better than his brother to me.

And as I said in the other thread, Eli still sucks for is San Diego stunt.

[ih8nyy]

Not in the way that Collins or Warner would accomplish. Earl Morrall stepped in when Johnny U got hurt in preseason and took the Colts to the Super Bowl III against the Jets. Later, he stepped in when Bob Griese got hurt during the perfect season, but got replaced by Griese in the AFC Championship game and Super Bowl.

That's the closest. There are some other examples where QBs were on the roster of two different Super Bowl teams, but didn't have any significant playing time.


Craig Morton Forty years into the Super Bowl Era, he remains the only quarterback to Start for two different teams in the Super Bowl, the 1970 Cowboys and 1977 Broncos.

source Cold hard Football Facts.com

edited, cause he is the only one to start for two dif. teams in a Super Bowl.

[Mister J]

Ain't that a *****?!

[FaT_tONle]

Well the Pats are certainly going to Franchise him from the looks of it. Why would they risk letting him go for nothing to a team within the division? ie The Jets. If they do franchise him, they can still trade him during the season if it looks as if TFB is going to come back before the trading deadline.

Pats should just cut Brady... plug the next guy in on the depth chart... a guy who is younger and could stick around a lot longer while they rebuild the defense. That's the Patriot way.

[Dr. Evil]

Georgia QB Matt Stafford will be in a Lions Uniform next year:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3815504

[ih8nyy]

Pats should just cut Brady... plug the next guy in on the depth chart... a guy who is younger and could stick around a lot longer while they rebuild the defense. That's the Patriot way.

They would trade him so he doesn't go to a team within the division.

[Double Down]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/patriots.jpg

From a contest (http://mondesishouse.blogspot.com/2009/01/cope-hope-photoshops-finals.html)

[That-Guy]

Georgia QB Matt Stafford will be in a Lions Uniform next year:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3815504

I hope that the Lions can get this dude and finally build a worthy team. If the Dolphins can go from 1 and 15 to winning their division, maybe Detroit can pull off something similar.

[Kaleb]

Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford will reportedly enter the 2009 NFL Draft barring a knee injury in Thursday night's BCS title game against Florida.

By letting this get out, Bradford is putting quite a bit of pressure on himself heading into Thursday. There won't be an NFL eye missing it. Bradford (6'4/218) is only a third-year sophomore and other than Ben Roethlisberger -- a fourth-year junior early entrant -- there is no history of success among underclassmen QBs. It's a big risk, but Bradford already won the Heisman and if he can put on a show tomorrow night he'll be the favorite to go No. 1 in April.

source:rotoworld.com

[Immortalfire]

Georgia QB Matt Stafford will be in a Lions Uniform next year:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3815504
He deserves better than that :csad:

Maybe the Lions will pick someone else, and then KC will get Matt. At least he'll have a chance of a career with them.

[Kaleb]

Matt Stafford in a Lions Uniform = Joey Harrington jr.

[Go Web Go!]

If I were a projected #1 pick this year I would so stay in school. Play in Detroit? Ugh. No thank you.

[Immortalfire]

Any quarterback in a Lions Uniform = Joey Harrington jr.

Fixed.

[Dr. Evil]

Kansas City would be a better option for Stafford, assuming the new General Manager doesn't believe that Tyler Thigpen is the future of the Chiefs. We don't know that for sure though until Kansas City hires a new General Manager.

Whether or not Kansas City drafts a QB with the third overall pick will depend on how the new GM feels about Tyler Thigpen.

[Kaleb]

Dont care where Stafford goes, I am more interested in where Moreno goes.

[ih8nyy]

If I were a projected #1 pick this year I would so stay in school. Play in Detroit? Ugh. No thank you.

He can always pull an Eli.

[Dr. Evil]

Moreno could go to Cleveland at 5 or Zona later in the first round.

[Kaleb]

ok with the exception of Detriot and possibly Jets Jets Jets ( if Favre retires) what team needs a qb


Vikings.
Jets
Seattle ( new coaching staff might not be commited to keeping Hasselbeck).


I left out Oakland , Washington and Chiefs as I believe those teams will give their qbs one more yr. We could be seen a huge drop of quality qbs in the draft.

[Dr. Evil]

Any of the top four teams in the NFL draft could go after Stafford, or even Sam Bradford (if he comes out).

Unless of course, Seattle wants to put all of their eggs in the Seneca Wallace-Charlie Frye basket and the Rams feel like Marc Bulger is still worth the large contract that they gave him.

[Immortalfire]

A Buccaneers fan friend of mine wondered if Knowshon could end up in Tampa..since Williams is perpetually hurt, and Dunn is old.

[Venom'sDad]

Matt Stafford in a Lions Uniform = Joey Harrington jr.

Joey got paid, and no QB or player for that matter, is going to pass up the opportunity to make million because the team is bad or Detroit. These players know to fulfill the length of the contract(which won't be more than 3-5 years) and move to another team. Business first, a game second. The NFL is a business don't fool yourself. There's love for the game, but that love second to the business end of it.

[rdh007]

ok with the exception of Detriot and possibly Jets Jets Jets ( if Favre retires) what team needs a qb


Vikings.
Jets
Seattle ( new coaching staff might not be commited to keeping Hasselbeck).


I left out Oakland , Washington and Chiefs as I believe those teams will give their qbs one more yr. We could be seen a huge drop of quality qbs in the draft.


Minnesota's need is so glaring and the other pieces are so close if not there already, that I would consider going there if I were a free agent looking to win now.
The above post was typed by a Vikings fan and should not be considered in any way objective

[Dark Donnie]

Report: Oklahoma's Bradford is turning pro

Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford will reportedly enter the 2009 NFL Draft barring a knee injury in Thursday night's BCS title game against Florida.

By letting this get out, Bradford is putting even more pressure on himself heading into Thursday. Bradford (6'4/218) is only a third-year sophomore and other than Ben Roethlisberger -- a fourth-year junior early entrant -- there is no recent history of success among underclassmen quarterbacks. It's a big risk, but Bradford already won the Heisman and if he can put on a show tomorrow night he'll be the favorite to go No. 1 in April. Jan. 7 - 12:14 pm et
Source: National Football Post

[Raiden]

Minnesota's need is so glaring and the other pieces are so close if not there already, that I would consider going there if I were a free agent looking to win now.
The above post was typed by a Vikings fan and should not be considered in any way objective

If Favre leaves the Jets, it's possible that he may sign with Vikings unless there's a clause that prevents him from doing so. As for Jets, they need to draft a QB but unless Favre stays, they still need a veteran QB to hold the fort for at least one more year.

[Immortalfire]

Someone will have to put a gun to Brett's head to make him retire.

[Double Down]

It would not surprise me to see Derek Anderson on the Vikings or Jets next year.

[Dr. Evil]

The Lions would have a difficult choice to make: Sam Bradford or Matt Stafford. Although I would not be completely surprised if St. Louis grabs one of the two if Detroit takes the other one or if Kansas City gives Tyler Thigpen another year.

[Holiday]

Someone will have to put a gun to Brett's head to make him retire.

I think a trip down to Mississippi is in order... :hehe:

[Immortalfire]

Go down there and eat him, Baby Mangino.

[Holiday]

I would but he might upset my stomach...


Aw, **** it. I'll take that chance.

[ih8nyy]

I would but he might upset my stomach...


Aw, **** it. I'll take that chance.

He has plenty of Prilosec OCT. No need to worry.

[rdh007]

If Favre leaves the Jets, it's possible that he may sign with Vikings unless there's a clause that prevents him from doing so. As for Jets, they need to draft a QB but unless Favre stays, they still need a veteran QB to hold the fort for at least one more year.

As I said at the beginning of this season, I'd go from hating Favre to loving him the second he finished signing the contract.

Though I wonder if Derek Anderson would be good enough...

[ih8nyy]

As I said at the beginning of this season, I'd go from hating Favre to loving him the second he finished signing the contract.

Though I wonder if Derek Anderson would be good enough...

You need someone that can throw just enough to take some of the preasure off AP. I think Anderson could do that. He may thrive in that kind of role.

[Double Down]

As I said at the beginning of this season, I'd go from hating Favre to loving him the second he finished signing the contract.

Though I wonder if Derek Anderson would be good enough...

The Vikings have a Super Bowl running back and a Super Bowl defense. They are an average QB away from being a real threat. The QB market is not going to be good this offseason, and assuming Warner and Cassel stay put, the market could be horrid. Anderson, I think, is at least average, maybe better. I think it's definitely a risk worth taking -- Tarvaris Jackson is not.

[Dark Donnie]

There is no way Arizona doesn't lock up Warner.

[Double Down]

There is no way Arizona doesn't lock up Warner.

You are trying to apply reasonable logic to an unreasonable franchise. There is always a way for the Cardinals to screw up.

[Marx]

You are trying to apply reasonable logic to an unreasonable franchise. There is always a way for the Cardinals to screw up.

Very true.

[Mister J]

If Favre leaves the Jets, it's possible that he may sign with Vikings unless there's a clause that prevents him from doing so. As for Jets, they need to draft a QB but unless Favre stays, they still need a veteran QB to hold the fort for at least one more year.
I know there was a 'poison pill' that makes it so that the Jets will owe GB three first round picks if they trade Favre to Minnesota. I suppose that could be gotten around if they just outright released him, but seeing as how they have no other option, I don't see why they'd do so. The last contract Favre signed (with the Packers) is believed to run through 2014.

[Marx]

If Favre leaves the Jets, it's possible that he may sign with Vikings unless there's a clause that prevents him from doing so. As for Jets, they need to draft a QB but unless Favre stays, they still need a veteran QB to hold the fort for at least one more year.

Why can't Brett Favre just go away!?!?! :waa:

[Mister J]

I kinda want to see him come back. It's pretty obvious that a long career has taken its toll and the grind is getting to be a bit much for him. The man will be 40 next season. The nagging injuries, speed of the game and other effects of Father Time will mount up on anyone. Toss in the fact that he still holds onto this gunslinger/riverboat gambler style of play and his talent can't consistently bail his ass out anymore like it used to.

His stellar 2007 season seemed to turn everyone's attention away from the fact that in 2005 and 2006, he was fairly pedestrian and making all kinds of throws that didn't need to be made. This year was more of the same down the stretch. With this ridiculous 'I might retire, I might not' bull**** that he's pulled for the last 5 or 6 years, highlighted by last year's faux retirement and circus around Packers training camp, I want to see him crash and burn. Hard. He's one of the greats, he'll go to the Hall, but he's been an annoying douche about all of this. If he wants to lace 'em up for another season and prove that time beats everyone, I'm all for it.

Of course, seeing as now I want him to keep playing, after ardently rooting for him to stay his ass in Mississippi, he'll probably retire ...for good this time. :down

[Raiden]

The Vikings have a Super Bowl running back and a Super Bowl defense. They are an average QB away from being a real threat. The QB market is not going to be good this offseason, and assuming Warner and Cassel stay put, the market could be horrid. Anderson, I think, is at least average, maybe better. I think it's definitely a risk worth taking -- Tarvaris Jackson is not.

Would you rather have Derek Anderson than Brett Favre? Personally, I would choose Derek simply because I don't really think Brett can last another season in the NFL.

[Immortalfire]

I kinda want to see him come back. It's pretty obvious that a long career has taken its toll and the grind is getting to be a bit much for him. The man will be 40 next season. The nagging injuries, speed of the game and other effects of Father Time will mount up on anyone. Toss in the fact that he still holds onto this gunslinger/riverboat gambler style of play and his talent can't consistently bail his ass out anymore like it used to.

His stellar 2007 season seemed to turn everyone's attention away from the fact that in 2005 and 2006, he was fairly pedestrian and making all kinds of throws that didn't need to be made. This year was more of the same down the stretch. With this ridiculous 'I might retire, I might not' bull**** that he's pulled for the last 5 or 6 years, highlighted by last year's faux retirement and circus around Packers training camp, I want to see him crash and burn. Hard. He's one of the greats, he'll go to the Hall, but he's been an annoying douche about all of this. If he wants to lace 'em up for another season and prove that time beats everyone, I'm all for it.

Of course, seeing as now I want him to keep playing, after ardently rooting for him to stay his ass in Mississippi, he'll probably retire ...for good this time. :down

Brett is becoming the new Vinny Testeverde...you just can't get rid of him.

[Double Down]

Would you rather have Derek Anderson than Brett Favre?

For the Vikings? I think so. Favre can make great plays and he can make abysmal plays. But he also brings an unnecessary circus atmosphere, he will be 40 years old, he is a lousy mentor for young quarterbacks, and he really wore down during the stretch. In the final five games, he had 2 TDs and 9 interceptions when the Jets needed him the most. In four of those five games, they lost by 10 points or less (including four-point and seven-point losses). Imagine what would have happened with fewer interceptions, let alone more TDs, in those games.
Anderson had 9 TDs and eight interceptions for a team that could never get in gear (following a 29-TD, 19-interception season). I'm not saying Anderson will necessarily reach his 2007 numbers again, but I think he is a good fit for Vikings -- certainly better than Favre at this point. And markedly better than Jackson.

[That-Guy]

I've got an idea. How about we let Favre stay on the Jets but have him play QB for both teams during every game. That way no matter how good or bad the Jets do, Favre will never lose. Then he can retire with a perfect season.

[Double Down]

It's getting ridiculous how many ESPN analysts are asking, "How are the Steelers going to stop Darren Sproles? He's so small."

[ih8nyy]

I've got an idea. How about we let Favre stay on the Jets but have him play QB for both teams during every game. That way no matter how good or bad the Jets do, Favre will never lose. Then he can retire with a perfect season.

Are you trying to collectively kill the fan bases of 12 other teams besides the Jets? They would all have Heart Attacks.

[RAMORE]

I'll just say this I love favre. He is a prima donna though with a fragile ego he had a bad game and Mandufus, i mean mangini called him on it in front of the team it bruised his ego and he didn't want to play for that guy, why should he, he thought i'm Favre GOSH DARNIT!

All I can say is if he came to the bucs we'd be in the playoffs right now:csad:

[RAMORE]

Pats should just cut Brady... plug the next guy in on the depth chart... a guy who is younger and could stick around a lot longer while they rebuild the defense. That's the Patriot way.

I've often wondered if they would do this they've done it to everyone else some really good players too.

[RAMORE]

Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford will reportedly enter the 2009 NFL Draft barring a knee injury in Thursday night's BCS title game against Florida.

By letting this get out, Bradford is putting quite a bit of pressure on himself heading into Thursday. There won't be an NFL eye missing it. Bradford (6'4/218) is only a third-year sophomore and other than Ben Roethlisberger -- a fourth-year junior early entrant -- there is no history of success among underclassmen QBs. It's a big risk, but Bradford already won the Heisman and if he can put on a show tomorrow night he'll be the favorite to go No. 1 in April.

source:rotoworld.com

Crazy if he comes out the Lions won't know who to pick. If stafford comes out too then Tebow should stay he would slip to the second round. IMO

[gogetter0587]

I'll just say this I love favre. He is a prima donna though with a fragile ego he had a bad game and Mandufus, i mean mangini called him on it in front of the team it bruised his ego and he didn't want to play for that guy, why should he, he thought i'm Favre GOSH DARNIT!

All I can say is if he came to the bucs we'd be in the playoffs right now:csad:


I think the Cowboys would also be in the playoffs if mr favre was the QB at the beginning of the season.

course im one of few that think romo is overrated


jerry jones if the real cause though
i think favre would have been to controlling for jones and he would not have allowed favre to be a cowboy

[RAMORE]

A Buccaneers fan friend of mine wondered if Knowshon could end up in Tampa..since Williams is perpetually hurt, and Dunn is old.

I would love this we need another back. After graham went down we faded. If graham had stayed healthy we'd be in the playoffs and if we had a damn qb not always hurt we could have been the first team in History to win a superbowl at home:cmad: These playoff were built for us the only challenge would have be the giants in the NFC championship and then the superbowl only would have been a challenge if it's pittsburgh we had everyone else's number.

Oh well damn the what if's.

[RAMORE]

I think the Cowboys would also be in the playoffs if mr favre was the QB at the beginning of the season.

course im one of few that think romo is overrated


jerry jones if the real cause though
i think favre would have been to controlling for jones and he would not have allowed favre to be a cowboy

#1 romo is overrated and a choke artist
#2 Jones love's prima donnas though:D

Of course I was the one screaming for Dallas to pick up moss so we could have recieva diva tandem:word:

[ih8nyy]

Just heard on WEEI out of Boston that the Browns are set to hire Mangina as their Head Coach.

[Double Down]

Browns hire Mangini
Posted January 7th, 2009 by Marla Ridenour

Eric Mangini completed his rise from Browns ball boy and public relations intern Wednesday, when he reached agreement on a contract to become the team's fourth coach since 1999.

Mangini went 23-25 with the New York Jets, including a 10-6 playoff season in his first year in 2006. In 2008, the Jets started 8-3 but finished 9-7 as quarterback Brett Favre faded down the stretch.

Mangini, who turns 38 on Jan. 19, was the first person Lerner interviewed after firing coach Romeo Crennel and general manager Phil Savage after a 4-12 season and 24-40 record over four years.

"I'm excited for him," Indians general manager Mark Shapiro said of Mangini, his brother-in-law. "He's an extremely intelligent, creative and driven guy. He will increase the Browns' chances to be a championship team again.

"On a personal level this is the first time in 18 years in Cleveland that I will have family here and that would be a reason for other family members to come to visit."

Terms of Mangini's contract were not disclosed. He will be introduced at a press conference at 9:30 a.m. Thursday.

A protege of former Browns coach Bill Belichick and a graduate of Belichick's alma mater Wesleyan University, Mangini worked with Belichick for 10 years, including one in Cleveland (1995) and three with the Jets when Belichick was assistant head coach under Bill Parcells.

Mangini spent six years in New England, the last as defensive coordinator succeeding Crennel. But Mangini and Belichick are no longer speaking after Mangini allegedly blew the whistle on the Patriots' illegal taping of defensive signals in the 2007 "Spygate" controversy.

Cleveland.com reported that Mangini is contacting members of his Jets staff he wants to bring with him, including quarterbacks coach Brian Daboll and receivers coach Noel Mazzone. According to the New York Daily News, Mangini also wants to hire offensive coordinator Bill Callahan. But the former Oakland Raiders and Nebraska coach remains under contract and was recently interviewed for the Jets coaching vacancy.

Mangini could also consider keeping Crennel on as an assistant since they worked together for seven years with the Jets and Patriots.

Also interviewed for the Browns' coaching position were Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker. But Lerner preferred a coach with prior experience in the top job and none of them filled that bill. Lerner was also rebuffed by former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, a CBS analyst who intends to sit out for a third season.

Mangini came to the Browns in 1994 and was promoted to coaches assistant in 1995. He worked one season in Baltimore as an offensive assistant before rejoining Belichick in 1997.

Lerner must wait until Sunday to interview Ravens director of pro personnel George Kokinis, a close friend of Mangini and his suggested candidate for general manager.

According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Browns also received permission to talk to Eagles general manager Tom Heckert. Heckert, 41, has been a general manager for three years and with the Eagles for eight. His father Tom was a Browns scout from 1982-86.

Although Heckert does not have final say over the 53-man roster, with that power held by coach Andy Reid, he seems more qualified than Kokinis. But lining up a possible interview with Heckert may only be a fall-back plan by Lerner if his session with Kokinis does not go well or if Lerner does not want to give Mangini the luxury of selecting his own general manager.

The hiring of Mangini means the end to Lerner's courting of New England vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli. After interviewing in Kansas City Monday, it appears Pioli will remain in New England.

[Holiday]

According to ESPN he has signed a four year deal.

[Double Down]

The Browns are reportedly looking for a coach with experience who is not consider a "player's coach." Word is Mangini is high on their list.

I'd just like to point out I gave you guys this one before anyone else had it. Even though I'm not a fan of the team I do have some sources on the team through my job.

[Matt]

It's getting ridiculous how many ESPN analysts are asking, "How are the Steelers going to stop Darren Sproles? He's so small."

Remember when ESPN used to be actually, y'know, credible?

[FaT_tONle]

Give Eric 5-8 years... he'll get that Browns team to a Superbowl or at minimum a Championship game.

[Holiday]

I'd just like to point out I gave you guys this one before anyone else had it. Even though I'm not a fan of the team I do have some sources on the team through my job.

It's been confirmed on ESPN for the past 30 mins or so. Any of us could have mentioned it.

[Matt]

Give Eric 5-8 years... he'll get that Browns team to a Superbowl or at minimum a Championship game.

Wasn't he supposed to do that with the Jets? I see Mangini being a failure. Pittsburgh and Baltimore will continue to be the division standard.

[FaT_tONle]

I just think Mangini had a bad month... he did an awful job... but only the last month was he brutal. He is young... he'll learn from the mistakes. I just think some coaches need that change of scene. He needs a long term project where he can have some stability on offense especially at the QB position. Let him get the defense in place. He didn't have time to build the defense with the Jets. His philophy will work well with the young rookie athletes that are young and fresh coming into the league. I don't think he can handle a team built through FA like the Jets.

[Double Down]

It's been confirmed on ESPN for the past 30 mins or so. Any of us could have mentioned it.

Sigh. I gave it to you on Dec. 29 -- the same day he was fired by the Jets:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16186334&postcount=15045

I gave you the link to that post in the other post you just quoted, but this should make it easier for you to find.

[Kaleb]

Mangini/Kokinis = Cremmel/Savage part 2

[Matt]

I just think Mangini had a bad month... he did an awful job... but only the last month was he brutal. He is young... he'll learn from the mistakes. I just think some coaches need that change of scene. He needs a long term project where he can have some stability on offense especially at the QB position. Let him get the defense in place. He didn't have time to build the defense with the Jets. His philophy will work well with the young rookie athletes that are young and fresh coming into the league. I don't think he can handle a team built through FA like the Jets.

And he is the Brown's 4th coach in 10 years. Therefore, on average, he will have 2.25 years to make them better. What makes you think that'll be enough time when by your estimate it'll be 5 to 8 years to even get them to a championship?

[bunk]

Lil Wayne is predicting Baltimore / Eagles in the SB. I don't know, I just thought that was funny. Maaaybe Baltimore, I don't think we'll be seeing the Eagles.

[Kaleb]

I think its really dumb of a team to hire a coach before they hire a gm.

[Holiday]

Sigh. I gave it to you on Dec. 29 -- the same day he was fired by the Jets:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16186334&postcount=15045

I gave you the link to that post in the other post you just quoted, but this should make it easier for you to find.

My mistake. I thought the post you quoted was an excerpt from the article you posted just before that.

[Matt]

Lil Wayne is predicting Baltimore / Eagles in the SB. I don't know, I just thought that was funny. Maaaybe Baltimore, I don't think we'll be seeing the Eagles.

I stand by Pittsburgh/Carolina.

[Matt]

Brett is becoming the new Vinny Testeverde...you just can't get rid of him.

I think Brett loves the game and wants to be part of it, which is why he should try his hand at coaching.

[Double Down]

My mistake. I thought the post you quoted was an excerpt from the article you posted just before that.

No. That would have been strange.

[Double Down]

From Rotoword.com:

The Buccaneers are reportedly prepared to place the franchise tag on potential free agent Antonio Bryant if they can't sign him to a multi-year deal.

While it'd cost about $9M in 2009, making Bryant play for another contract wouldn't be a bad idea. The Bucs project to have more cap space than any team in the NFL this offseason. Bryant's checkered past (he was suspended for all of 2007) and one-year breakout in 2008 make him a prime candidate to be franchised. The Bucs don't have any better options to use the tag on.

[Double Down]

ESPN is reporting the Cowboys have released Pacman Jones.

[Mister J]

ESPNews Breaking News: Adam Jones released by Cowboys.

edit: Curse your quick reply button, DD! :cmad:

[Matt]

I know he can be a behind the scenes head ache, but he might be a good off-season pick up for Arizona or San Diego. Both teams desperately need stronger secondaries.

[Immortalfire]

Five bucks says he's involved in another strip club incident within a month.

[Holiday]

Even if that happens he would probably still get another job soon after that.

[FaT_tONle]

And he is the Brown's 4th coach in 10 years. Therefore, on average, he will have 2.25 years to make them better. What makes you think that'll be enough time when by your estimate it'll be 5 to 8 years to even get them to a championship?

Well he'll get at least three years... the Browns have had only like one playoff appearance the last few years. If he can get them back there... he'll certainly buy himself more time than Crennel... or his time he got with the Jets... I am thinking two playoff apearances over the first 4-5 years with a couple of wins and he'll get a full 5-6 years. If he makes a run I can certainly see him being there for a long time.

[NewYorkSpider]

I kinda want to see him come back. It's pretty obvious that a long career has taken its toll and the grind is getting to be a bit much for him. The man will be 40 next season. The nagging injuries, speed of the game and other effects of Father Time will mount up on anyone. Toss in the fact that he still holds onto this gunslinger/riverboat gambler style of play and his talent can't consistently bail his ass out anymore like it used to.

His stellar 2007 season seemed to turn everyone's attention away from the fact that in 2005 and 2006, he was fairly pedestrian and making all kinds of throws that didn't need to be made. This year was more of the same down the stretch. With this ridiculous 'I might retire, I might not' bull**** that he's pulled for the last 5 or 6 years, highlighted by last year's faux retirement and circus around Packers training camp, I want to see him crash and burn. Hard. He's one of the greats, he'll go to the Hall, but he's been an annoying douche about all of this. If he wants to lace 'em up for another season and prove that time beats everyone, I'm all for it.

Of course, seeing as now I want him to keep playing, after ardently rooting for him to stay his ass in Mississippi, he'll probably retire ...for good this time. :down

I thought if the Jets were to hire Jeff Jagodzinski, then Brett would play one more season. Jagodzinski served as Green Bay's TE coach from 1999-2003 and then was the OC in 2006. I don't know if that would sway Favre away from retirement. I think it all depends on the relationship they had when they both were in Green Bay.

[BlackLantern]

I'm reading Mangini will get 4 years to start with an option for a 5th

[FaT_tONle]

I thought if the Jets were to hire Jeff Jagodzinski, then Brett would play one more season. Jagodzinski served as Green Bay's TE coach from 1999-2003 and then was the OC in 2006. I don't know if that would sway Favre away from retirement. I think it all depends on the relationship they had when they both were in Green Bay.

If this is true this is a 100% Woody Johnson ploy to keep Farve another year... one of his many brillaint moves this season... first vacationing while Cowher is talking to teams (Jets included)... now hiring a Brett Farve guy... I think the Jet woes start with their owner... just as it does with most other teams. There are owners that want to win... and there are owners who want to make money and nothing else. Woody Johnson is the perfect example of the latter.

[Raiden]

If this is true this is a 100% Woody Johnson ploy to keep Farve another year... one of his many brillaint moves this season... first vacationing while Cowher is talking to teams (Jets included)... now hiring a Brett Farve guy... I think the Jet woes start with their owner... just as it does with most other teams. There are owners that want to win... and there are owners who want to make money and nothing else. Woody Johnson is the perfect example of the latter.

I agree 100%. Woody took an out-of-country vacation at the worst time, when Cowher was considering the possibility of coaching for the Jets. It goes to show that he's rather clueless about what it takes to win, and displayed a lack of passion for the team's success. Which is why I'm beginning to lose my enthusiasm for the team. I'm going to contemplate in the offseason what I feel about the Jets, and whether I'll continue to support them.

[BlackLantern]

Cowher is NOT going back into coaching anytime soon....

[That-Guy]

So now that Mangina has gone to the Browns, who do you think is going to hire Rod Marinelli? I'm sure there are plenty of teams just banging down his door with offers.:woot:

[Dark Donnie]

So now that Mangina has gone to the Browns, who do you think is going to hire Rod Marinelli? I'm sure there are plenty of teams just banging down his door with offers.:woot:

Chicago was rumored to be interested in him as a D-Line Coach.

[Dr. Evil]

So now that Mangina has gone to the Browns, who do you think is going to hire Rod Marinelli? I'm sure there are plenty of teams just banging down his door with offers.:woot:

He will probably be hired by:

Da Bears!

[ih8nyy]

Five bucks says he's involved in another strip club incident within a month.

He's gonna make it rain baby!

[Showtime]

Give Eric 5-8 years... he'll get that Browns team to a Superbowl or at minimum a Championship game.

5-8 years? That long? :csad:

[Dark Donnie]

Mangini chooses Rob Ryan to run his defense

Browns hired former Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan to fill the same position in Cleveland, according to NFL.com's Adam Schefter.
Oakland has lost RBs coach Tom Rathman, OC Greg Knapp, and now Ryan, not to mention the assistants Lane Kiffin made off with to college. Buddy's lesser known son, Ryan's defenses were dictated by Al Davis in Oakland so we can't say for sure how they'll look with the Browns. The Raiders' 4-3 was awful against the run and used no blitzes. Ryan has experience running the 3-4, however, and will very likely employ that alignment in Cleveland. Jan. 7 - 8:27 pm et
Source: NFL.com

[NewYorkSpider]

I'll be sending out reminders tonight for everyone who hasn't sent me their picks for this weekends games.

[Go Web Go!]

5-8 years? That long? :csad:

Yeah. Coaches don't exactly have a 5-8 year window to get their teams to contend. It's more like 3-4 years.

[Double Down]

I'll be sending out reminders tonight for everyone who hasn't sent me their picks for this weekends games.

I know who I want in the AFC games. I keep going back and forth on the NFC games.

[Holiday]

I'm almost positive I'll take Carolina but I haven't made up my mind on the other games yet. I should know by Friday.

[Kelly]

Yeah. Coaches don't exactly have a 5-8 year window to get their teams to contend. It's more like 3-4 years.


Yep.....that is pretty much at any level of football....

[vindrow]

ESPN is reporting the Cowboys have released Pacman Jones.


Looks like the Bengals can have a new CB on their roster soon:hehe:

[Kelly]

Thank god that idiot is gone.......

[Dr. Evil]

If Sam Bradford makes it official and leaves for the NFL, one of them will go to hell (Detroit), while the other one has a chance to actually do something in the NFL. Take the Lions out of the equation and who's left? I'll analyze the rest of the top ten, see what you guys think:

St. Louis- Their Quarterbacks are Marc Bulger, Trent Green and Brock Berlin. Bulger hasn't lived up to the huge contract the Rams gave him a few years ago, but injuries have played a role in that. Green is another serious injury away from retirement and Berlin has no future in the NFL beyond maybe being a number two guy. It's possible they take one of Stafford or Bradford here, but I think they go with an offensive lineman (Andre Smith from Bama or Michael Oher from Ole Miss) at number two overall. They could go after a senior in the later rounds like Chase Daniel or Graham Harrell or a junior like Josh Freeman.

Kansas City- This would be interesting. It depends on who the new GM of the Chiefs is. The new GM (could be Scott Pioli from New England) will probably fire Herm Edwards and hire a new coach (If Pioli lands in Kansas City, Josh McDaniels lands there). They have someone with a lot of potential in Tyler Thigpen and he played well, however (and this is where it could get interesting), the New GM and new head coach may not feel that Thigpen is the likely future for the team and may want to go in a new direction at Quarterback. Whoever isn't drafted out of Stafford and Bradford probably goes here. Again, it all depends on how the new GM and (likely) new Head Coach feel about Thigpen and the QB position of the Chiefs.

Seattle- I read reports today that Seattle could trade Matt Hasselbeck. I don't know why they would trade him, because he's pretty good when healthy. If they do trade him though, one of Bradford or Stafford could end up in the Pacific Northwest because I doubt they want to go into the season with Seneca Wallace and Charlie Frye. But that all depends on what happens with Kansas City and how they feel about Thigpen.

Cleveland- Nope. Mangini will either have Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson (if he isn't traded) as his starter.

Cincy- Nope. They have Carson Palmer, who when healthy, is an elite level QB. Ryan Fitzpatrick played decent in relief of Palmer.

Oakland- Nope. They have JaMarcus Russell.

Jacksonville- Nope. They have David Garrard and he played decent, although not great.

Green Bay- Nope. They have Aaron Rodgers and he played well this season.

San Francisco- Maybe. They have Shaun Hill and he played well enough to make Mike Singletary the new head coach. If Stafford or Bradford are still there at 10 though, I don't know if they can pass it up, although they might be hesitant to take a QB in the first round after the failure of Alex Smith.

So it would be Kansas City and Seattle that takes whoever is left from Stafford and Bradford.

[ih8nyy]

Looks like the Bengals can have a new CB on their roster soon:hehe:

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats take a flyer on him. God knows that defensive secondary needs all the help they can get.

[RAMORE]

Well I have to say that I don't get the browns at all:confused:
They have belichek and it doesn't work out so they fire him.
Then they see he's wildly successful and they say man we just didn't give him enough time you know what we need...a belichek guy so they hire Romeo.
It doesn't work out and they fire him.
You know what we need....another belichek guy we must have got the wrong one lets get Mangini I heard he just got FIRED from the Jets get him in here.

What the Hell?!?!?!?!:confused:

[ih8nyy]

Well I have to say that I don't get the browns at all:confused:
They have belichek and it doesn't work out so they fire him.
Then they see he's wildly successful and they say man we just didn't give him enough time you know what we need...a belichek guy so they hire Romeo.
It doesn't work out and they fire him.
You know what we need....another belichek guy we must have got the wrong one lets get Mangini I heard he just got FIRED from the Jets get him in here.

What the Hell?!?!?!?!:confused:

Maybe the 3rd time is the charm.

[gogetter0587]

I'd just like to point out I gave you guys this one before anyone else had it. Even though I'm not a fan of the team I do have some sources on the team through my job.

What do you do?

[RAMORE]

Sit on my fat butt checking the hype when I should be working....oh you were talking DD my bad:D

[ih8nyy]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats take a flyer on him. God knows that defensive secondary needs all the help they can get.

Please strike this comment from the record. I just heard that he sup set up a shooting in Atlanta at some point. The Pats won't go anywhere near him. His days are done in the NFL.

[Raiden]

Please strike this comment from the record. I just heard that he sup set up a shooting in Atlanta at some point. The Pats won't go anywhere near him. His days are done in the NFL.

Agreed. Cowboys jumped through many hoops in order to acquire Pacman, and it didn't helped them at all. Aside from the controversies, Pacman's stat was only average at best. After this latest allegation, no team will want to take another chance on him.

[Showtime]

Yeah. Coaches don't exactly have a 5-8 year window to get their teams to contend. It's more like 3-4 years.

Exactly.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't think expectations are that high in Clevland... with a couple of playoff appearance... and maybe a playoff win or two over the next four years... I think Mangini can earn those extra 3-4 years. I think he is more than capable of doing that in Clevland.

[Showtime]

I guess if you want to settle for good but not great than that is what you can ride on.

[FaT_tONle]

Not every team can be the Giants.... I mean you look at teams like SD/Philly... teams that remain in the hunt every year... even though they don't have Championships... do I think Clevland could get to a similar level? It depends on what Mangini/Ryan do with that defense the next few years. If that side of the ball turns around, they'll have a shot at getting to that next level.

[RAMORE]

Not every team can be the Giants.... I mean you look at teams like SD/Philly... teams that remain in the hunt every year... even though they don't have Championships... do I think Clevland could get to a similar level? It depends on what Mangini/Ryan do with that defense the next few years. If that side of the ball turns around, they'll have a shot at getting to that next level.

^true but do you think they will go defense then in the draft cause they need to start grooming a running back.

[Ironfan72]

Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio State just announced he's entering the draft and leaving early, some projections have him at #12 over all.

[Kaleb]

Beenie Wells looks soft to me. I prefer Mareno.

[Venom'sDad]

Same here... agreed

[Immortalfire]

Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio State just announced he's entering the draft and leaving early, some projections have him at #12 over all.

Yay, college shows on Saturdays will be rid of the 2nd most talked about player. Even if there's nothing to talk about, they'll still talk about him.


Beenie Wells looks soft to me. I prefer Moreno.

Same, and that's not just because I'm a fan.

[Kaleb]

one things for certain in the draft, there is going to be a lot of talent falling during draft day ,( btw does anybody have the draft order )

[Immortalfire]

one things for certain in the draft, there is going to be a lot of talent falling during draft day ,( btw does anybody have the draft order )

1 Detroit Lions
2 St. Louis Rams
3 Kansas City Chiefs
4 Seattle Seahawks
5 Cleveland Browns
6 Cincinnati Bengals
7 Oakland Raiders
8 Jacksonville Jaguars
9 Green Bay Packers
10 San Francisco 49ers
11 Buffalo Bills
12 Denver Broncos
13 Washington Redskins
14 New Orleans Saints
15 Houston Texans
16 San Diego Chargers
17 New York Jets
18 Chicago Bears
19 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
20 Detroit Lions (From Cowboys)
21 Arizona Cardinals
22 Philadelphia Eagles
23 Minnesota Vikings
24 New England Patriots
25 Atlanta Falcons
26 Miami Dolphins
27 Baltimore Ravens
28 Philadelphia Eagles (From Panthers)
29 Indianapolis Colts
30 New York Giants
31 Pittsburgh Steelers
32 Tennessee Titans

[Kaleb]

1 Detroit Lions
2 St. Louis Rams
3 Kansas City Chiefs
4 Seattle Seahawks
5 Cleveland Browns
6 Cincinnati Bengals
7 Oakland Raiders
8 Jacksonville Jaguars
9 Green Bay Packers
10 San Francisco 49ers
11 Buffalo Bills
12 Denver Broncos
13 Washington Redskins
14 New Orleans Saints
15 Houston Texans
16 San Diego Chargers
17 New York Jets
18 Chicago Bears
19 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
20 Detroit Lions (From Cowboys)
21 Arizona Cardinals
22 Philadelphia Eagles
23 Minnesota Vikings
24 New England Patriots
25 Atlanta Falcons
26 Miami Dolphins
27 Baltimore Ravens
28 Philadelphia Eagles (From Panthers)
29 Indianapolis Colts
30 New York Giants
31 Pittsburgh Steelers
32 Tennessee Titans
Looking at that, it looks like the raiders will have either Percy Harvin or Crabtree fall to them

[Immortalfire]

Notice: There will be a separate NFL Draft thread made come April.

'fire

[Kaleb]

* writes it in his Daily planner*

[RAMORE]

1 Detroit Lions
2 St. Louis Rams
3 Kansas City Chiefs
4 Seattle Seahawks
5 Cleveland Browns
6 Cincinnati Bengals
7 Oakland Raiders
8 Jacksonville Jaguars
9 Green Bay Packers
10 San Francisco 49ers
11 Buffalo Bills
12 Denver Broncos
13 Washington Redskins
14 New Orleans Saints
15 Houston Texans
16 San Diego Chargers
17 New York Jets
18 Chicago Bears
19 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
20 Detroit Lions (From Cowboys)
21 Arizona Cardinals
22 Philadelphia Eagles
23 Minnesota Vikings
24 New England Patriots
25 Atlanta Falcons
26 Miami Dolphins
27 Baltimore Ravens
28 Philadelphia Eagles (From Panthers)
29 Indianapolis Colts
30 New York Giants
31 Pittsburgh Steelers
32 Tennessee Titans

How sad is it that Green Bay and the Jaguars are before the 49ers:csad:

Also I don't beannie is soft I think hes always hurt....unless that's what you meant I assumed you meant he was a puss and wouldn't hit the hole.

[Kaleb]

Just seems to me that he would rather choose to run out of bounds than attack the defender.

[Excel]

Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio State just announced he's entering the draft and leaving early, some projections have him at #12 over all.

If his 40 time tops Morenos, which is very likely, hell be the 1st back taken. If he runs a sub 4.4 which he is rumored to be capible of, he will go top 10.

[Excel]

1 Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford QB George
2 St. Louis Rams - Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Chiefs - Brian Orekpo DE Texas
4 Seattle Seahawks - Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
5 Cleveland Browns - Chris Wells RB Ohio State
6 Cincinnati Bengals - Michael Oher OT Ole Miss
7 Oakland Raiders - Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
8 Jacksonville Jaguars - Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
9 Green Bay Packers - Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
10 San Francisco 49ers - Sam Bradford QB Oklahomah
11 Buffalo Bills - Everette Browne DE Florida State
12 Denver Broncos - Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
13 Washington Redskins -Duke Robinson OG Oklahomah
14 New Orleans Saints - Vontate Davis CB Illinois
15 Houston Texans - William Moore FS Missouri
16 San Diego Chargers - Rey Maulaluga ILB Southern Cal
17 New York Jets - Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
18 Chicago Bears - Jeremy Maclin WR Illinois
19 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Greg Hardy Ole Miss
20 Detroit Lions (From Cowboys) - Jason Smith OT Baylor
21 Arizona Cardinals - Shonn Greene RB Iowa
22 Philadelphia Eagles - Eben Britton OT Arizona
23 Minnesota Vikings - DJ Moore CB Vanderbilt
24 New England Patriots - James Laurenatius LB Ohio State
25 Atlanta Falcons - BJ Raji DT Boston College
26 Miami Dolphins - Macho Harris CB Virginia Tech
27 Baltimore Ravens - Tyson Jackson DE LSU
28 Philadelphia Eagles (From Panthers) - Kenny Britt WR Rutgers (will be a combine freak)
29 Indianapolis Colts - SenDerick Marks DT Auburn
30 New York Giants - Brian Cushing OLB Southern Cal
31 Pittsburgh Steelers - Ciron Black OT LSU
32 Tennessee Titans - Derrius Heyward Bey WR Maryland (6'2 wr will run a 4.25 at the combine. Track star plays football not the other way around so he is a project but has good hands. Him at WR With Johnson at rb and Young at qb and you have one of the fastest offenses ever to grace the field)

[Belvedere]

No Taylor Mays?

[Excel]

No Taylor Mays?

He could go in place of a cb, but there is not real need for safeties.

[Belvedere]

He could go in place of a cb, but there is not real need for safeties.

Are you being serious? Taylor Mays is the biggest combine freak coming out this year, 230lbs and runs an (alleged) 4.28, I can't see how he's NOT a top 10 pick if that's the case.

[The Game]

I just hope Pats get Mays the way I see it We get Taylor Mays and put him at SS and put Merriweather at FS. Wilhite will be ok at corner and we get Delta off our squad. Our young LB core will be fine...granted Crable steps up and is able to takeover for Vrabel. I dont see Laurenatius being around that late, great if we get him

[Excel]

A Meriweather-Mays safety duo would be simply unfair, I doubt the league would allow it :p . Bware is gonna be a pro bowler next season.

Are you being serious? Taylor Mays is the biggest combine freak coming out this year, 230lbs and runs an (alleged) 4.28, I can't see how he's NOT a top 10 pick if that's the case.

If San Francisco decides they like Shaun Hill, they will more than likely take Mays at #10. That or New Orleans if Davis is gone. Otherwise I dont see where he lands just yet. If he falls beyond New Orleans hell be drafted by somebody because hell be the best available pick, which make it impossible to pin him anywhere.

[NewYorkSpider]

Here are more NFL facts from NYS.

The Arizona Cardinals could make their first appearance in the NFC Championship game.
The Carolina Panthers could host their first NFC Championship with a win on Saturday and a Eagles win on Sunday.
The New York Giants have never lost an NFC Championship(4-0)

[StorminNorman]

Notice: There will be a separate NFL Draft thread made come April.

'fire

Would it not be better to have an NFL 2009 Offseason thread made in February and then an NFL 2009 Season thread made in August/September?

[Immortalfire]

Would it not be better to have an NFL 2009 Offseason thread made in February and then an NFL 2009 Season thread made in August/September?

That sounds rather pointless.

[Venom'sDad]

Here are more NFL facts from NYS.

The Arizona Cardinals could make their first appearance in the NFC Championship game.
The Carolina Panthers could host their first NFC Championship with a win on Saturday and a Eagles win on Sunday.
The New York Giants have never lost an NFC Championship(4-0)


Here's another... Arizona could host it's first NFC Championship Game.

[Cmill216]

I would hope not. The NFL 2009 thread should encompass all things NFL in 2009, IMO. Why mess up the formula?

[Immortalfire]

I would hope not. The NFL 2009 thread should encompass all things NFL in 2009, IMO. Why mess up the formula?

Indeed, I'm not having two threads that are the same thing, save a word difference in the title.

There will be only one NFL 09 thread, and one for the draft..which will be closed when the draft is over.

[NewYorkSpider]

Here's another... Arizona could host it's first NFC Championship Game.

True. I've been searching around looking at facts. The other day I posted about if there were any QB's to lead two different teams to Super Bowls(Craig Morton did it with Dallas/Denver. Warner and Collins could accomplish the same feat). I'm also trying to find if there has been a QB in NFL history to lead three different teams to conference championship games. Collins took the '96 Panthers and the '00 Giants to the NFC Championship game.

[Cmill216]

There will be only one NFL 09 thread, and one for the draft..which will be closed when the draft is over.

Then that makes two.

[Immortalfire]

I do that to keep the regular thread from being swamped. I did it last year and it worked great :)

[Alex The Great]

We didn't do it for 07. But then again, That thread wasn't as crowded as this years. There was 250 pages when the draft started this year. The 07 Thread last year had 65 pages when the draft for 07 started


I think we need to keep the superbowl thread open for a couple days after the game so everyone simers down and all the Superbowl conversations don't clutter the 09 thread

[Immortalfire]

We didn't do it for 07. But then again, That thread wasn't as crowded as this years. There was 250 pages when the draft started this year. The 07 Thread last year had 65 pages when the draft for 07 started


I think we need to keep the superbowl thread open for a couple days after the game so everyone simers down and all the Superbowl conversations don't clutter the 09 thread

When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you, Alexandra.

[Alex The Great]

Shut Your Whorish Mouth :cmad:

[NewYorkSpider]

Adam "Pacman" Jones is going to sue ESPN.

Pacman (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Pacman-s-going-to-sue-ESPN?urn=nfl,133090)

[Alex The Great]

Adam "Pacman" Jones is going to sue ESPN.

Pacman (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Pacman-s-going-to-sue-ESPN?urn=nfl,133090)
:dry:

[Immortalfire]

Adam "Pacman" Jones is going to sue ESPN.

Pacman (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Pacman-s-going-to-sue-ESPN?urn=nfl,133090)

:whatever:

[Alex The Great]

:dry: + :whatever: = :facepalm

[Double Down]

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That network can be vindictive

[Immortalfire]

:funny:

[Darthphere]

It will be a simple case of ESPN being able to buy their way out of lawsuit.

[Alex The Great]

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That network can be vindictive
:lmao:

[Double Down]

It will be a simple case of ESPN being able to buy their way out of lawsuit.

Or Pacman getting involved in another "incident."

[Dr. Evil]

ESPN has other things to worry about then a lawsuit from Pacman Jones.......

Like exclusive, non-stop 24/7 coverage of Brett Favre.

[Immortalfire]

Who?

[Dr. Evil]

Who?

Some wunderkind QB from Mississippi who ESPN has anointed as the second coming. To them: Him > Tom Brady and Him > God

[ih8nyy]

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That network can be vindictive

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg277/cpoconnor/teol.gif

ESPN has other things to worry about then a lawsuit from Pacman Jones.......

Like exclusive, non-stop 24/7 coverage of Brett Favre.

Why does that name sound familiar? Brett? Brett Favre? Hmmmmmmm. It'll come to me.

[BlackLantern]

ESPN has scary corporate lawyers....Pacman has Cousin RayRay who just passed the bar, after his 5th attempt

[RAMORE]

1 Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford QB George
2 St. Louis Rams - Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Chiefs - Brian Orekpo DE Texas
4 Seattle Seahawks - Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
5 Cleveland Browns - Chris Wells RB Ohio State
6 Cincinnati Bengals - Michael Oher OT Ole Miss
7 Oakland Raiders - Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
8 Jacksonville Jaguars - Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
9 Green Bay Packers - Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
10 San Francisco 49ers - Sam Bradford QB Oklahomah
11 Buffalo Bills - Everette Browne DE Florida State
12 Denver Broncos - Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
13 Washington Redskins -Duke Robinson OG Oklahomah
14 New Orleans Saints - Vontate Davis CB Illinois
15 Houston Texans - William Moore FS Missouri
16 San Diego Chargers - Rey Maulaluga ILB Southern Cal
17 New York Jets - Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
18 Chicago Bears - Jeremy Maclin WR Illinois
19 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Greg Hardy Ole Miss
20 Detroit Lions (From Cowboys) - Jason Smith OT Baylor
21 Arizona Cardinals - Shonn Greene RB Iowa
22 Philadelphia Eagles - Eben Britton OT Arizona
23 Minnesota Vikings - DJ Moore CB Vanderbilt
24 New England Patriots - James Laurenatius LB Ohio State
25 Atlanta Falcons - BJ Raji DT Boston College
26 Miami Dolphins - Macho Harris CB Virginia Tech
27 Baltimore Ravens - Tyson Jackson DE LSU
28 Philadelphia Eagles (From Panthers) - Kenny Britt WR Rutgers (will be a combine freak)
29 Indianapolis Colts - SenDerick Marks DT Auburn
30 New York Giants - Brian Cushing OLB Southern Cal
31 Pittsburgh Steelers - Ciron Black OT LSU
32 Tennessee Titans - Derrius Heyward Bey WR Maryland (6'2 wr will run a 4.25 at the combine. Track star plays football not the other way around so he is a project but has good hands. Him at WR With Johnson at rb and Young at qb and you have one of the fastest offenses ever to grace the field)

These are good guesses and for the most part matches:up: But the kid you picked for Tampa what position does he play?

[Kaleb]

Ravens S Ed Reed was the lone unanimous All-Pro selection for the 2008 season.

His playmaking ability has analysts at least batting around the idea of Reed as the best safety in NFL history. While he's undoubtedly off to a Hall of Fame start, it's a little early to place him above Ronnie Lott, Paul Krause, and Larry Wilson in the pecking order.

source:rotoworld.com

[Matt]

And yet Peyton got MVP.

The AP's MVP selection is so flawed. First of all, post season performance should be a factor. Hell, its really the only time anything matters. Second, they are completely, anti-defensive players despite the fact that this year players like James Harrison and Ed Reed proved the well known truth, defense wins games. Third, they have far too much of a hard on for the Manning family. Philip Rivers was statistically better than Manning, and had an amazing December. Where are his votes?

[Immortalfire]

Peyton winning MVP shouldn't surprise anyone. After all, he is Peyton Manning.

[Cmill216]

4 Seattle Seahawks - Eugene Monroe OT Virginia

Like hell the Seahawks are passing on Crabtree.

[Kaleb]

I can see Denver trading with Seattle's spot to get the top runningback.

[That-Guy]

The AP will create an award for "Best Retired Player" when Peyton finally hangs it up.

Same goes with ESPN. They'll cover Favre playing shuffleboard at the rest home when he's in his 80's.

[Matt]

The AP will create an award for "Best Retired Player" when Peyton finally hangs it up.

Same goes with ESPN. They'll cover Favre playing shuffleboard at the rest home when he's in his 80's.

:lmao:

Still, it is a shame that two great defensive players who really made an impact throughout the year got screwed so badly in the name of Peyton Manning, who wasn't even the best at his position this year.

[Immortalfire]

The AP will create an award for "Best Retired Player" when Peyton finally hangs it up.

Same goes with ESPN. They'll cover Favre playing shuffleboard at the rest home when he's in his 80's.
He'll be starting for the Bengals in his 80's.

[Caped Crusader]

http://www.giants.com/
:woot:
:brucebat:

[That-Guy]

:lmao:

Still, it is a shame that two great defensive players who really made an impact throughout the year got screwed so badly in the name of Peyton Manning, who wasn't even the best at his position this year.

You got that right. Harrison and Polamalu from the Steelers would have been great picks; so would Ed Reed from the Ravens. And I HATE the Ravens, so for me to say that, Reed has to have been really good. But no, MNANING IS TEH AWESOMEST!!111 Give me a break. He's a great QB. I won't deny that. But there are other players in the game and this year at least, a lot of people were better than him.

[That-Guy]

He'll be starting for the Bengals in his 80's.

And Marvin Lewis will still be coaching.

[Immortalfire]

And Marvin Lewis will still be coaching.

And Paul Brown will be on life support, still being a hardass tight wad.

[That-Guy]

And Paul Brown will be on life support, still being a hardass tight wad.

Umm... you mean Mike Brown? :cwink: (Paul's been dead since 1991).

[Immortalfire]

D'oh...Mike. I think Paul due to the stadium, I guess.

[gogetter0587]

You got that right. Harrison and Polamalu from the Steelers would have been great picks; so would Ed Reed from the Ravens. And I HATE the Ravens, so for me to say that, Reed has to have been really good. But no, MNANING IS TEH AWESOMEST!!111 Give me a break. He's a great QB. I won't deny that. But there are other players in the game and this year at least, a lot of people were better than him.


Most Valuable Player MVP

Manning was more valuable to the colts then harrison of the steelers. I think Harrison Polamalu and Reed all had amazing seasons. I think Polamalu may be the best defensive player in the league, that being said they were not more valuable than Manning.

Its like the NBA talk it is not who is the best player or has the best stats. If you took Manning off that team and but his backup in they would be siginifigantly worse, if you took Reed off that team and his put his backup in they would still be darn good.

[That-Guy]

Hey, it happens. Mike Brown's not worth remembering anyway.

[Immortalfire]

Hey, it happens. Mike Brown's not worth remembering anyway.

Hmm..wonder where my thread about good and bad owners went?

*goes to look*

[That-Guy]

Most Valuable Player MVP

Manning was more valuable to the colts then harrison of the steelers. I think Harrison Polamalu and Reed all had amazing seasons. I think Polamalu may be the best defensive player in the league, that being said they were not more valuable than Manning.

Its like the NBA talk it is not who is the best player or has the best stats. If you took Manning off that team and but his backup in they would be siginifigantly worse, if you took Reed off that team and his put his backup in they would still be darn good.

Possibly, but you have to take into consideration all of the things the Steelers and the Ravens defenses might not have done without those guys. Would they have had the sacks? Would they have had the interceptions?

I think what we're saying is that while a QB arguably has the most important role in the game, there are other players on the field and some of them are so exceptional that in a year where QB's and offenses overall have underperformed a bit, defensive players should get more attention.

[Matt]

Most Valuable Player MVP

Manning was more valuable to the colts then harrison of the steelers. I think Harrison Polamalu and Reed all had amazing seasons. I think Polamalu may be the best defensive player in the league, that being said they were not more valuable than Manning.

Its like the NBA talk it is not who is the best player or has the best stats. If you took Manning off that team and but his backup in they would be siginifigantly worse, if you took Reed off that team and his put his backup in they would still be darn good.

This is the league MVP. Not the Colts' MVP. Harrison, Reed, and Polamalu were all better players than Manning. Thus, more deserving. And yes, the Steelers and the Ravens likely would not have the defenses they have with these guys benched. Look at last season when Polamulu was injured, their defense fell apart. It is easy to see an effect that a quarterback has on a team. That does not make the less obvious effect of a key defensive player any less real.

Furthermore, by your logic, it should be Philip Rivers. San Diego would not have come back to win their division without him and his stats were more impressive or Matt Cassell, who kept the Pats from falling apart despite their most valuable player being injured.

[Venom'sDad]

Don't sweat it Matt.... Peyton is bring a keg of beer to the house. Me, him, and a few of close friends will be setting on the couch watching the game.








Peyton, don't forget to bring chips too!

[Double Down]

Most Valuable Player MVP

Manning was more valuable to the colts then harrison of the steelers. I think Harrison Polamalu and Reed all had amazing seasons. I think Polamalu may be the best defensive player in the league, that being said they were not more valuable than Manning.

Its like the NBA talk it is not who is the best player or has the best stats. If you took Manning off that team and but his backup in they would be siginifigantly worse, if you took Reed off that team and his put his backup in they would still be darn good.

The MVP does not go to the player with the worst backup. That's poor logic.

[RAMORE]

MVP=Most Valuable Player to his team.

So manning is not out of the discussion but I would have picked warner for that matter Cardinals would be awful under leinert.

[Immortalfire]

Memo:

Don't forget about the upcoming Hype Super Bowl party thread...hosted by yours truly. It will be created moments after the NFC-AFC championship game is over, which ever comes last. It will include a poll on who will win, picks, discussion on other NFL news, babes, food, and the winner of NewYorkSpider's playoff pool will be announced. The winner of which by the way, will get the honor of making the 2009 NFL thread.

Be there, punks.

'fire

[Holiday]

There really is no good excuse why Manning got the award. Quarterback play was statistically much lower this year than in previous years, so it should've went to a def. player.

And if it had to go to a quarterback, it should've gone to Rivers or maybe Warner.

[Double Down]

Memo:

Don't forget about the upcoming Hype Super Bowl party thread...hosted by yours truly. It will be created moments after the NFC-AFC championship game is over, which ever comes last. It will include a poll on who will win, picks, discussion on other NFL news, babes, food, and the winner of NewYorkSpider's playoff pool will be announced. The winner of which by the way, will get the honor of making the 2009 NFL thread.

Be there, punks.

'fire

The NFC championship game will be played at 3, the AFC championship game will be at 6:30.

[Venom'sDad]

Rivers should at least be considered... he has one of the best numbers amongst QBs and how he is not in the ProBowl, is just another knock that it's a popularity contest.

[Holiday]

MVP=Most Valuable Player to his team.

So manning is not out of the discussion but I would have picked warner for that matter Cardinals would be awful under leinert.

No. By that logic the award should go to Rivers. He asked to throw the football a hell of a lot more this year due to poor defense and L.T.'s injuries, and because he did effectively his team made the playoffs. Manning should not have gotten the award any way you look at it.

[Immortalfire]

The NFC championship game will be played at 3, the AFC championship game will be at 6:30.

Thanks, DD. You just won clean up duty when the party is over. :yay:

[Double Down]

What about adding an MVP poll to this thread?
Something along the lines of:
"Who deserved to win the MVP this year?"

[BlackLantern]

^^^No...what's done is done....it's bad enough we have draft talk the day after the Super Bowl....

[Double Down]

Thanks, DD. You just won clean up duty when the party is over. :yay:

What does that involve? I can only imagine the mess Baby Mangino makes.

[Excel]

Seattle isnt dumb enough to take a wr with a top 5 pick.

Harrison, Reed, and Polamalu were all better players than Manning. Thus, more deserving.

Though I agree Rivers got robbed, that is not how it works. Its value to team, not the best player.