2008 NFL Thread

[RAMORE]

How bout this weekend man that was some crazy football but I went 4 for 4 but none of the games went exactly like I thought.

You know I've been doubting Arizona all year but they are starting to make me a believer.

Dungy is a classic. Great coach. Great man. Tampa was lucky to have him.

[Raiden]

Damn, I picked Eagles initially, then changed my mind and picked Giants instead. Should've had went with my instinct instead of what the sportswriters said. Ugh.

[Dr. Evil]

Unlike Cowher, Shanahan and Holmgren, Dungy will not be back.

[Double Down]

Damn, I picked Eagles initially, then changed my mind and picked Giants instead. Should've had went with my instinct instead of what the sportswriters said. Ugh.

I really thought the Cardinals would win. But I figured, if I picked the Panthers and the Cards won, I wouldn't care because the Cardinals won and I would be happy. But if I picked the Panthers and they won, at least I would have that to "ease the pain."
That turned out to be true, but had I gone with my gut, I would be at 7-1 and tied for first place. So, it kind of sucks. With only three games left, one game out behind two other guys feels like a longshot.
I have no regrets about picking the Titans, though. I still think they were the better team and had Chris Johnson not been injured, the Titans would have won. It would be stupid for me to be upset about those types of picks.

[Marx]

Unlike Cowher, Shanahan and Holmgren, Dungy will not be back.

Shut yo' mouth Evil! :cmad:

[Immortalfire]

Dungy is such a great coach...what a loss for the Colts...

I :heart: coach Dungy.. wish him all the best :up:

[That-Guy]

Couple things:

Matt, loving the new avatar!

Also, Dungy is a great coach. Glad he was able to retire with a winning season that ended in the playoffs.

[Marx]

Tony Dungy is going to retire. It was announced on Sportscentre

FoxSports.com's Jay Glazer reports that Tony Dungy will step down as Colts coach later Monday.

Glazer hears that Dungy is making the rounds at the Colts complex, saying his goodbyes. A 5PM presser is scheduled, at which time assistant head Jim Caldwell should officially take the reigns after Dungy led the Colts to playoff appearances in all seven seasons with Indy.

What!?!?! Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

:waa:

[RAMORE]

Hahahahah:hehe:

Seriously though Marx yall will be ok.

[Matt]

Couple things:

Matt, loving the new avatar!

Also, Dungy is a great coach. Glad he was able to retire with a winning season that ended in the playoffs.

Thanks :up:

Its no secret that I'm not the wrold's biggest Colts fan but Dungy is a classy guy and a testament to the game. He has a well deserved Hall of Fame spot awaiting him.

[RogueDK]

Thank God he didn't Drag his decision out like Brett Favre will.
Can this guy get anymore like a hangnail? Talk about milking the t*t dry with his great career... :whatever:

[Kaleb]

Dungy oozed class, I wish him luck in whatever he does.

[Raiden]

Dungy oozed class, I wish him luck in whatever he does.

With so many coaching vacancies around, I don't think he will be out of a job for long. But I think he might be taking a long time off before he returns to the sideline.

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't think he'll coach for awhile. He may go the path of Bill Parcells and get away from coaching for a bit.

[kane9321]

Agreed. Plax should be the Barry Bonds of football. No team should want to touch him. His behavior shows such a selfish, disregard for his team. If I were the owner of the G-Men, he'd of got his walking papers long ago and we'd be taking him to arbitration to get our signing bonus back.

Totally agreed

[kane9321]

Clyde Christensen and scott linehan..interviewed for the 49ers oc gig....Ok cool

next up Rick Dennison. With that killer zone blocking scheme..and us with one of the best backs in football (frank gore)..sweet

[Immortalfire]

Everybody, let's play Caption This!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg
"Hello, Information? I was wondering if the NFC championship game can end in a tie..."

[Matt]

With so many coaching vacancies around, I don't think he will be out of a job for long. But I think he might be taking a long time off before he returns to the sideline.

You know what is interesting? Assuming Shanahan does not go anywhere this season (and it doesn't look like he will), we will have five Super Bowl winning coaches, all of whom have a good to ok case to be in the football Hall of Fame, avaliable and I predict at least four of them will be looking for work.

You will have:

Bill Cowher
Tony Dungy
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Brian Billick

That is an impressive head coach roster that will be available for the 2010 season.

[kane9321]

Everybody, let's play Caption This!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg
"Hello, Information? I was wondering if the NFC championship game can end in a tie..."



hello, pizza hut?

[ih8nyy]

Everybody, let's play Caption This!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg


"Hi Mom, can you make me some Campbells Chunky when I get home?"

[BlackLantern]

Everybody, let's play Caption This!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg


yea...I'm gonna need 3 Meatball Subs with extra cheese and a side of baby back ribs....that's just for Coach...I just want a Diet Coke

[NewYorkSpider]

You know what is interesting? Assuming Shanahan does not go anywhere this season (and it doesn't look like he will), we will have five Super Bowl winning coaches, all of whom have a good to ok case to be in the football Hall of Fame, avaliable and I predict at least four of them will be looking for work.

You will have:

Bill Cowher
Tony Dungy
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Brian Billick

That is an impressive head coach roster that will be available for the 2010 season.

One of those coaches will be in Dallas if Wade Phillips doesn't win the Super Bowl. I think the following coaches jobs are on the line next season. Jack Del Rio, John Fox, Marvin Lewis, Herm Edwards, Jim Zorn, Dick Jauron and Sean Peyton.

[Kaleb]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg
'' No Terrell , I cant come and play my team is in the playoffs.''

[Immortalfire]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg
yea...I'm gonna need 3 Meatball Subs with extra cheese and a side of baby back ribs....that's just for Coach...I just want a Diet Coke

:lmao:

[Kaleb]

One of those coaches will be in Dallas if Wade Phillips doesn't win the Super Bowl. I think the following coaches jobs are on the line next season. Jack Del Rio, John Fox, Marvin Lewis, Herm Edwards, Jim Zorn, Dick Jauron and Sean Peyton.

Dont bother putting in Marvin Lewis in that list, if he didnt lose his job this season , he isnt going to lose it next season, no matter what the record.

[Double Down]

Browns fans on the radio are not happy about the Steelers/Ravens matchup.

[Showtime]

Why?

[ih8nyy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg
'' No Terrell , I cant come and play my team is in the playoffs.''

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg277/cpoconnor/smilies/aheathosnap.png

[Go Web Go!]

They should be worried about the hole their team is in for the forseeable future rather than what other teams are doing right now...and staph infections. :(

[Immortalfire]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg

"Hi, do you have the Nintendo Wii in stock?"

[ih8nyy]

Why?

A.) They hate the Steelers.
B.) Muck Fodell still rings true.

[Kaleb]

Browns fans on the radio are not happy about the Steelers/Ravens matchup.

oh boo hoo. lol

[BlackLantern]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg



Yes....I'm looking for Amanda......Amanda Kissanhug......

[Immortalfire]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg
"Beyonce? Dinner in Paris? Sure, I'm up for french fries. Hahaha.....hello?"

[The Game]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg


I know its you TO, I can hear you breathing

[NewYorkSpider]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg

Hey, Donovan, it's Brett Favre. Not to rain on your parade or anything, but I'm announcing that i'm coming back seconds after the game is over.

[Immortalfire]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg

"Comissioner Goodell, it's Terrell Owens...just wanted to say I quit the league. It'll be better for all. See ya.

*hangs up*

"Snicker"

[Raiden]

Everybody, let's play Caption This!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg


"No T.O., I'm not your friend, and you cannot come to our locker room for the celebration. BTW, you suck".

[Showtime]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg

"Hey Mama, Put the soup on, we're going to the championship. Make it chunky."

[ih8nyy]

"Hey Mama, Put the soup on, we're going to the championship. Make it chunky."

Copy cat.

Then again. Great minds think a like.

[Venom'sDad]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg
Look T.O. I don't have time for this, enjoy the Popcorn.

[Matt]

One of those coaches will be in Dallas if Wade Phillips doesn't win the Super Bowl. I think the following coaches jobs are on the line next season. Jack Del Rio, John Fox, Marvin Lewis, Herm Edwards, Jim Zorn, Dick Jauron and Sean Peyton.

I think Billick or Cowher would be the best fit for Dallas. The Cowboys need a stern coach who isn't afraid to put diva players in their place, with a background in defense. If they go for someone like Shanahan or Dungy, they will fail miserably there and taint their legacies.

[BlackLantern]

http://deadspin.com/5129668/its-becoming-more-and-more-clear-that-dallas-cowboys-players-shouldnt-leave-the-house

Yay for Americas Team

[Marx]

I think Billick or Cowher would be the best fit for Dallas. The Cowboys need a stern coach who isn't afraid to put diva players in their place, with a background in defense. If they go for someone like Shanahan or Dungy, they will fail miserably there and taint their legacies.

I can just imagine the hell that would be thrown upon Cowher if he decided to go to Dallas.

Yikes. :wow:

[That-Guy]

http://deadspin.com/5129668/its-becoming-more-and-more-clear-that-dallas-cowboys-players-shouldnt-leave-the-house

Yay for Americas Team

I'm beginning to think that the way the NFL could solve half the of-the-field problems they have with players is just to keep them from ever entering a strip club.

[Matt]

I can just imagine the hell that would be thrown upon Cowher if he decided to go to Dallas.

Yikes. :wow:

Which is why I doubt he will do it. He turned down the Browns before they even made an offer because he thought it would be a slap in the face to the Rooneys and the Steeler fans. I don't think he'll turn around and take the Cowboys.

I see Cowher picking one of two teams next year.

Either the Panthers after John Fox is fired

or...and this one is admittedly a stretch...the New York Giants. Coughlin either gets fired or retires after a semi-disappointing season and Cowher steps in.

[Double Down]

From Peter King's column in SI:

In a corner of the locker room, Harbaugh said this after the game: "Joe's not a rookie. In fact, I would not trade him for any quarterback in football right now.'' Come on, I said. Peyton Manning? "No!'' he said. Tom Brady? "No! I'll take Flacco! Did he look like he was hesitant in any way with the game on the line? No!''

[Double Down]

Also from Peter King's column in SI:

How The Mighty Have Fallen Dept.:
Four miles from Giants Stadium, at the Sports Authority in Clifton, N.J., last Wednesday, in the midst of Giants playoff fever, Reebok had several racks of NFL jerseys selling for $80. You could find an Eli Manning jersey or Brandon Jacobs or Amani Toomer or four or five other Giants for $80. On another rack were jerseys of other NFL players -- Ray Lewis for $80, Vince Young for $80, even Chad Johnson for $80.
To the side was a clearance rack. On the rack were about 75 jerseys, all number 17 for the Giants. Plaxico Burress.
For $19.87 apiece.
At this store deep in Giants territory, you can buy the jersey of the backup quarterback of the Tennessee Titans for four times the price of the jersey of the man who caught the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl for your team 11 months ago.

[gogetter0587]

also from peter king's column in si:

how the mighty have fallen dept.:
Four miles from giants stadium, at the sports authority in clifton, n.j., last wednesday, in the midst of giants playoff fever, reebok had several racks of nfl jerseys selling for $80. You could find an eli manning jersey or brandon jacobs or amani toomer or four or five other giants for $80. On another rack were jerseys of other nfl players -- ray lewis for $80, vince young for $80, even chad johnson for $80.
To the side was a clearance rack. On the rack were about 75 jerseys, all number 17 for the giants. Plaxico burress.
For $19.87 apiece.
At this store deep in giants territory, you can buy the jersey of the backup quarterback of the tennessee titans for four times the price of the jersey of the man who caught the winning touchdown in the super bowl for your team 11 months ago.


nice

[Kaleb]

From Peter King's column in SI:

In a corner of the locker room, Harbaugh said this after the game: "Joe's not a rookie. In fact, I would not trade him for any quarterback in football right now.'' Come on, I said. Peyton Manning? "No!'' he said. Tom Brady? "No! I'll take Flacco! Did he look like he was hesitant in any way with the game on the line? No!''

:yay:

[Showtime]

Harbaugh isn't going overboard or anything.

[Shemtov]

If The Eagles win the SB Philly will go NUTS. first the Phillies win the WS then the Eagles win the SB.

Talking about the Ws and SB, did people releize that both are played in tampa?
odd.
I'm calling The Question in to examine this.

[Raiden]

Which is why I doubt he will do it. He turned down the Browns before they even made an offer because he thought it would be a slap in the face to the Rooneys and the Steeler fans. I don't think he'll turn around and take the Cowboys.

I see Cowher picking one of two teams next year.

Either the Panthers after John Fox is fired

or...and this one is admittedly a stretch...the New York Giants. Coughlin either gets fired or retires after a semi-disappointing season and Cowher steps in.

I don't see either Fox or Coughlin being fired next season, even if both Panthers and/or Giants have disappointing next season. I think both have earned an extension, esp. Coughlin for that SB win, regardless of a losing season in '09-'10.

As for Cowher, I can't say which team he will go to because it depends on the coaching vacancy in 2010. Aside from Browns, Cowher is probably not going to the Cowboys, and he'll go to a team that will give him authority in the front office.

[Venom'sDad]

I see Cowher picking one of two teams next year.

Either the Panthers after John Fox is fired

or...and this one is admittedly a stretch...the New York Giants. Coughlin either gets fired or retires after a semi-disappointing season and Cowher steps in.

One thing I do agree with you on is that when he comes back, it will be with a NFC Team.

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't see either Fox or Coughlin being fired next season, even if both Panthers and/or Giants have disappointing next season. I think both have earned an extension, esp. Coughlin for that SB win, regardless of a losing season in '09-'10.

As for Cowher, I can't say which team he will go to because it depends on the coaching vacancy in 2010. Aside from Browns, Cowher is probably not going to the Cowboys, and he'll go to a team that will give him authority in the front office.

Fox's job is on the line. If the Panthers don't make the playoffs then he's out. They aren't in rebuilding mode. They have a Super Bowl calibur team that is capable of going to the top. However, if the Panthers are riddled with injuries again, then they might give him an exemption. Fox has his work cut out for him with the schedule they have next season.

Tampa(twice)
New Orleans(twice)
Atlanta(twice)
New York Giants
Philadelphia
Washington
Dallas
Arizona
Minnesota
New England
Miami
Buffalo
New York Jets

[Cunning Stunts]

I may have missed another headliner, but didn't Cowher say he wouldn't be returning to coaching in the following season?

If I missed an article where he said he would return, please let me know... Especially being a Steelers fan, I'm desperate to know where Cowher may wind up next...

[StorminNorman]

You want to know who has been the biggest winners this last week?

YOUR Detroit Football Lions

They may not of been able to get a single win in the regular season, but they are having a great start to their rebuilding post season.

The first good news of the week for Detroit was Mathew Stafford going pro - the best NFL QB prospect IS entering the draft and gives the Lions a real franchise play caller should the Lions decide to act like a legitimate professional franchise. Stafford will take some time to develop, but the kid is smart and has been bred to excel in the professional ranks. He will inherit an All Purpose back in Kevin Smith and a monster-to-be in Calvin Johnson.

Their second win came from their front office, as the week has progressed their long list of coaching candidates has become a short list of coaching candidates. After messing around with a few offensive coordinators (Mike Mularkey, Jason Garret and Josh McDaniels) the Detroit Lions seem to have narrow their selections to the following four candidates: Jim Schwartz of Tennessee, Todd Bowles of Miami, Leslie Fraizer of Minnesota and the great Spags of New York - all four are defensive guys, exactly the direction this team needs to go in terms of leadership and coaching.

Now before this weekend, the two best candidates for the job were unavailable to pursue after their initial Wild Card weekend interviews: Schwartz and Spagnola. A Titans/New York Super Bowl could of been devastating to the Lions as Detroit is trying to move quickly with their hiring so they can start preparing for April's Draft. Luckily Schwartz and Spagnola will be free in February and both are coming back for their second interview.

Now while I love Spagnola, I think Jim Schwartz is a better pick for Detroit - the guy has done more with less, I believe; the Titans have always had a fantastic defense no matter how much their squad as been devastated by the Free Agency. A few years ago the defense average 3 and a half years of experience and ended up ranking 8th overall defensively - this is exactly the sort of production Detroit needs. Also Schwartz does not believe in any set defensive scheme, allowing his talent to dictate the system - not the other way around. Many believe he has been Detroit's Number One candidate for a while now, last Saturday was a huge break.

The best news still, however, is one that is not being greatly reported. Detroit is looking to add someone to their Front Office, names like Phil Savage and Ted Sundquist. Savage in particular could be exactly what the Lions need right now - Savage rose through the ranks of scouting and was an important player in the Raven's Drafting players like Ray Lewis and Jon Ogden and Peter Boulware.

It seems like the Lions are actually putting themselves in position to have a Falcons-like off season this year, now we must see if they can actually deliver.

[Dr. Evil]

One of those coaches will be in Dallas if Wade Phillips doesn't win the Super Bowl. I think the following coaches jobs are on the line next season. Jack Del Rio, John Fox, Marvin Lewis, Herm Edwards, Jim Zorn, Dick Jauron and Sean Peyton.

I can see Edwards being next to go this offseason, depending on who the next GM is going to be.

[BlackLantern]

Cowher might go to Carolina because its close to home....but that's at least a season away

[FaT_tONle]

Chiefs are high on the Iowa coach and Pioli is likely to land there...

As for Wade... I think he needs to get to a Championship game to get an extension... frankly I am hoping he doesn't get there because I want Garret or Shannahan as the headcoach in 2010.

[Matt]

Shanahan is a horrible fit for Dallas. They would walk all over him. Garret or any one else on the staff will be little more than a puppet of Jones (which is the exact opposite of what the Cowboys need).

[NewYorkSpider]

I think Shanahan would be a great fit in Washington. This of course Jim Zorn doesn't work out.

[Kelly]

Shanahan is a horrible fit for Dallas. They would walk all over him. Garret or any one else on the staff will be little more than a puppet of Jones (which is the exact opposite of what the Cowboys need).

Dallas needs a strong personality, not a douche....just someone that holds his own...

[Matt]

Dallas needs a strong personality, not a douche....just someone that holds his own...

Which is why I fell Holmgren is a bad choice. He is a bit of a douche. Meanwhile coaches like Billick and Cowher are strong personalities and authoritarian leaders but not total D-bags.

[Alex The Great]

Man I really don't know who to pick this week

[Double Down]

Man I really don't know who to pic this week

I'm the opposite. I'm 100% sure of who I am going with. Not that I'm saying I am guaranteed to be right, but it was easy for me to decide.

[Matt]

Anyone else picking the Cards or will Venom's Dad and I be the only ones willing to jump off that cliff?

[Venom'sDad]

Anyone else picking the Cards or will Venom's Dad and I be the only ones willing to jump off that cliff?

Ahh... you know me well sir. ;)

[Alex The Great]

Anyone else picking the Cards or will Venom's Dad and I be the only ones willing to jump off that cliff?
I want to, I really do.

[Double Down]

Anyone else picking the Cards or will Venom's Dad and I be the only ones willing to jump off that cliff?

Use your decoder ring on my signature and you will have your answer.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/p1_warner.jpg

[Matt]

:hehe: Nice :up:

[Double Down]

:hehe: Nice :up:

The Steelers are my favorite team. Kurt Warner is my favorite football player of all time.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/HannibalILoveItWhenaPlanComesTogeth.gif

[KALEL114]

Anyone else picking the Cards or will Venom's Dad and I be the only ones willing to jump off that cliff?

I did as well. :up:

[Venom'sDad]

The Steelers are my favorite team. Kurt Warner is my favorite football player of all time.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/HannibalILoveItWhenaPlanComesTogeth.gif

Not questioning your integrity... I just figured if your favorite team is Pittsburgh, your favorite player of all-time would be or had been a member of the Steelers......... I figured.

[vindrow]

[QUOTE=Immortalfire;16259210]Everybody, let's play Caption This!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg
QUOTE]


"Coach Bellichick, those tips you gave us on where to place the camera's worked out great, thanks."

[Matt]

Not questioning your integrity... I just figured if your favorite team is Pittsburgh, your favorite player of all-time would be or had been a member of the Steelers......... I figured.

I'm a Steelers fan and I'm rooting for the Cards. We don't have our Super Bowl XL ring without the offensive genius of the Whis. :up:

[Double Down]

Not questioning your integrity... I just figured if your favorite team is Pittsburgh, your favorite player of all-time would be or had been a member of the Steelers......... I figured.

It doesn't always happen like that.
But I've been touting Warner in these threads since I joined (just a few examples).

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15523183&postcount=4463

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15581196&postcount=4898

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15634628&postcount=6063

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15813154&postcount=9205

[Venom'sDad]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/donovan.jpg
Hey Jeff, me and the mom may see you in Tampa in a couple of weeks... holla.

[Venom'sDad]

I'm a Steelers fan and I'm rooting for the Cards. That's because you prefer the Cards; an easier matchup than the Eagles. ;)

It doesn't always happen like that.
But I've been touting Warner in these threads since I joined (just a few examples).

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15523183&postcount=4463

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15581196&postcount=4898

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15634628&postcount=6063

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15813154&postcount=9205
Again, I'm not questioning your integrity, I just figured.

[Double Down]

That's because you prefer the Cards; an easier matchup than the Eagles. ;)


Again, I'm not questioning your integrity, I just figured.

My favorite Steelers all-time are probably Rod Woodson, Jerome Bettis and Mike Webster. But I'm not even sure about that. I've always liked the Steelers as a whole more than just a player here or there.

[Go Web Go!]

Also from Peter King's column in SI:

How The Mighty Have Fallen Dept.:
Four miles from Giants Stadium, at the Sports Authority in Clifton, N.J., last Wednesday, in the midst of Giants playoff fever, Reebok had several racks of NFL jerseys selling for $80. You could find an Eli Manning jersey or Brandon Jacobs or Amani Toomer or four or five other Giants for $80. On another rack were jerseys of other NFL players -- Ray Lewis for $80, Vince Young for $80, even Chad Johnson for $80.
To the side was a clearance rack. On the rack were about 75 jerseys, all number 17 for the Giants. Plaxico Burress.
For $19.87 apiece.
At this store deep in Giants territory, you can buy the jersey of the backup quarterback of the Tennessee Titans for four times the price of the jersey of the man who caught the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl for your team 11 months ago.

Remember when jerseys were only $30-$40? *Sigh*

[Double Down]

Remember when jerseys were only $30-$40? *Sigh*

To be fair, the quality is so much better now.

[StorminNorman]

Anyone else picking the Cards or will Venom's Dad and I be the only ones willing to jump off that cliff?

I had Arizona in the Divisional, *****es.

[Excel]

You want to know who has been the biggest winners this last week?

YOUR Detroit Football Lions

They may not of been able to get a single win in the regular season, but they are having a great start to their rebuilding post season.

The first good news of the week for Detroit was Mathew Stafford going pro - the best NFL QB prospect IS entering the draft and gives the Lions a real franchise play caller should the Lions decide to act like a legitimate professional franchise. Stafford will take some time to develop, but the kid is smart and has been bred to excel in the professional ranks. He will inherit an All Purpose back in Kevin Smith and a monster-to-be in Calvin Johnson.

Their second win came from their front office, as the week has progressed their long list of coaching candidates has become a short list of coaching candidates. After messing around with a few offensive coordinators (Mike Mularkey, Jason Garret and Josh McDaniels) the Detroit Lions seem to have narrow their selections to the following four candidates: Jim Schwartz of Tennessee, Todd Bowles of Miami, Leslie Fraizer of Minnesota and the great Spags of New York - all four are defensive guys, exactly the direction this team needs to go in terms of leadership and coaching.

Now before this weekend, the two best candidates for the job were unavailable to pursue after their initial Wild Card weekend interviews: Schwartz and Spagnola. A Titans/New York Super Bowl could of been devastating to the Lions as Detroit is trying to move quickly with their hiring so they can start preparing for April's Draft. Luckily Schwartz and Spagnola will be free in February and both are coming back for their second interview.

Now while I love Spagnola, I think Jim Schwartz is a better pick for Detroit - the guy has done more with less, I believe; the Titans have always had a fantastic defense no matter how much their squad as been devastated by the Free Agency. A few years ago the defense average 3 and a half years of experience and ended up ranking 8th overall defensively - this is exactly the sort of production Detroit needs. Also Schwartz does not believe in any set defensive scheme, allowing his talent to dictate the system - not the other way around. Many believe he has been Detroit's Number One candidate for a while now, last Saturday was a huge break.

The best news still, however, is one that is not being greatly reported. Detroit is looking to add someone to their Front Office, names like Phil Savage and Ted Sundquist. Savage in particular could be exactly what the Lions need right now - Savage rose through the ranks of scouting and was an important player in the Raven's Drafting players like Ray Lewis and Jon Ogden and Peter Boulware.

It seems like the Lions are actually putting themselves in position to have a Falcons-like off season this year, now we must see if they can actually deliver.

It all starts with their selection of coaches. Without proper coaching, Matthew Stafford will be an Alex Smith esque bust. Best case scenario for them looks like this:

1. Spagnola is named their head coach. This guy has a freakishly effective defensive system. He will touchen up the defense and team and turn them into a smash mouth football team. His track record is flawless. No Strahan? No problem. No Umenyura? Sure. Dallas needs him more than Detroit, but this is Detroits best option. Give him 2 years and theyll have a dominant defense.

2. With 1st overall pick, they take left tackle ANDRE SMITH from Arizona. Stafford is a very inviting pick, however whoever they have as their qb next season will not do anything unless something is done immeadietly about their offensive line. Smith is a stud. Not Jake Long, but the best in this at his position by far.

3. Now that they have addressed offense, time to address d. They draft a de, either Selvie or Tyson Jackson, to be their version of Justin Tuck or Osi. They have a decent linebacker in Simms, only thing left is a corner. In 2nd round, they draft DJ Moore from Vanderbilt.

They head into next season with
1. Improved offensive line ready to protect Culpepper and block better for Smith, who has to be ready to be the work horse ala Mike Turner this year.

2. Culpepper knowing the full play book, with more time to pass and better chemistry with his wr's.

3. Much better defensive coaching with a potentially dominant defensive end and prospect corner.

Theyd win 5-7 games and get another good draft, which now they use one a QB. He sits a season while they win 8-10 and then starts, and with everything else around him already clicking, find themselves winning 12+ games.

[ih8nyy]

Originally Posted by Double Down
To the side was a clearance rack. On the rack were about 75 jerseys, all number 17 for the Giants. Plaxico Burress.
For $19.87 apiece.

I wonder if I could get one of those and change it into a "Harris Smith" jersey? That'd be classic.

Someone get me Giants Equipement Manager Joe Sibka on the phone! I need to make this happen.

[RAMORE]

Anyone else picking the Cards or will Venom's Dad and I be the only ones willing to jump off that cliff?

I'm seriously considering it the are 1000 times better than when philly saw them last. It's going to come down to the wire I bet.

[ih8nyy]

I am torn on who to pick this weekend for both games.

[RAMORE]

Well unless I see something to sway me Pitt will make it 3 when they beat the ravens. The ravens have the better defense IMO (not by much) But Pitt's offense is just way better and that will be the difference...unless Ben implodes like manning or worse delhomme but I don't expect that.

Now Cardinals Eagles much closer game I think.

[ih8nyy]

Well unless I see something to sway me Pitt will make it 3 when they beat the ravens. The ravens have the better defense IMO (not by much) But Pitt's offense is just way better and that will be the difference...unless Ben implodes like manning or worse delhomme but I don't expect that.

Now Cardinals Eagles much closer game I think.

I think both will be good games. Pitt and Balt match up well. Both don't rely heavily on the QB's and both can efficiently run the ball, not too mention the defenses are top notch on both sides.

Cards to me are a Jeckle and Hyde thing. Which team shows up? Their D has been playing above and beyond what they did in the regular season. Can they keep that going? Then again Philly is the same thing. Will Donovan wilt in the spot light again?

[RAMORE]

true^

[BlackLantern]

I'm taking Baltimore.....I'm still on the fence about the NFC game, part of me thinks that McNabb is going to lose it again in a big game....

[Kaleb]

In my opinion the Steelers vs Ravens game is the superbowl :p

[gogetter0587]

It doesn't always happen like that.
But I've been touting Warner in these threads since I joined (just a few examples).

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15523183&postcount=4463

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15581196&postcount=4898

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15634628&postcount=6063

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15813154&postcount=9205

that looks like it took some work .

[Holiday]

I wonder if I could get one of those and change it into a "Harris Smith" jersey? That'd be classic.

Someone get me Giants Equipement Manager Joe Sibka on the phone! I need to make this happen.

You could order a custom jersey from NFLShop.com and have them put it on there. People did that with Michael Vick jersey's and had "Ron Mexico" put on them but the NFL eventually caught on.

[Mister J]

I wonder if I could get one of those and change it into a "Harris Smith" jersey? That'd be classic.

Someone get me Giants Equipement Manager Joe Sibka on the phone! I need to make this happen.

You could order a custom jersey from NFLShop.com and have them put it on there. People did that with Michael Vick jersey's and had "Ron Mexico" put on them but the NFL eventually caught on.
Harris Smith Is Already on the List of Jerseys You Cannot Purchase From NFL.com (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/12/02/harris-smith-is-already-on-the-list-of-jerseys-you-cannot-purc/)

Lame.

[Raiden]

I'm leaning toward Steelers for AFC Champion and Eagles for NFC. If it happens, it means that two teams from PA will make it to the SB. Quite a year for the fans of that state since Phillies already won WS.

[Double Down]

that looks like it took some work .

Not really. "Search this Thread" is a great tool. I use it a lot.

[ih8nyy]

You could order a custom jersey from NFLShop.com and have them put it on there. People did that with Michael Vick jersey's and had "Ron Mexico" put on them but the NFL eventually caught on.

*Edit*

I should have read down to Mr. J's post. Thank you for typing what I was going to type.

[Go Web Go!]

To be fair, the quality is so much better now.

True, though the quality hasn't really changed for the last half decade +, yet the prices continue to go up. I used to buy jersies like they were going out of style - they made up half of my wardrobe - but I haven't bothered even looking at one unless they're on clearance or goin' cheap on Ebay. :cmad:

[Double Down]

True, though the quality hasn't really changed for the last half decade +, yet the prices continue to go up. I used to buy jersies like they were going out of style - they made up half of my wardrobe - but I haven't bothered even looking at one unless they're on clearance or goin' cheap on Ebay. :cmad:

I have a lot of jerseys, but I also haven't bought one in a few years. But I have a different reason, than you. I'm just tired of the guys switching teams.
I have the following Kurt Warner jerseys alone:
blue and yellow classic Rams
dark blue and gold new Rams
blue Giants
red Cardinals
Every time he gets a new jersey, I get a new jersey. But that's tough. I spent $70 on a Giants jersey and he played in 10 games for them.
My main Steelers jersey is a Nike Jerome Bettis jersey. It's one of the really nice ones ($200+). He retired a Steeler, so that's great.
When I visited the Steelers store in Pa. in early 2005, they had a lot of players, so I got Willie Parker, because no one else in the country was carrying that jersey, so that was fun. (I also got a Tommy Polley Rams jersey in St. Louis for basically the same reason).
But, overall, I just got tired of buying a jersey just to watch them leave.

[FaT_tONle]

I'm leaning toward Steelers for AFC Champion and Eagles for NFC. If it happens, it means that two teams from PA will make it to the SB. Quite a year for the fans of that state since Phillies already won WS.

I think it will be Ravens and Eagles. Cardinals will come up short. I think the Steelers will be blown out by the Ravens. Superbowl would be a toss up... I could see the Eagles winning but I'd give the Ravens the edge. One thing is for sure... the marquee matchup NEVER happens... so whatever you do... don't bet on both the Steelers AND Eagles.

[Raiden]

I think it will be Ravens and Eagles. Cardinals will come up short. I think the Steelers will be blown out by the Ravens. Superbowl would be a toss up... I could see the Eagles winning but I'd give the Ravens the edge. One thing is for sure... the marquee matchup NEVER happens... so whatever you do... don't bet on both the Steelers AND Eagles.

I'm pretty confident in predicting that Eagles will go to SB, but then again I also picked Panthers to beat Cardinals a week ago. These matchups aren't as easy as it looks, and I haven't decided exactly who the winners will be yet.

[RAMORE]

In my opinion the Steelers vs Ravens game is the superbowl :p

You won't be saying that when the NFC champ beats the AFC:D

[gogetter0587]

You won't be saying that when the NFC champ beats the AFC:D


Good luck , ive been looking for anyone willing to take the NFC in that game today. Im trying to make some money off of those chumps in the NFC.

[Showtime]

You won't be saying that when the NFC champ beats the AFC:D

:dry:

[Double Down]

Good luck , ive been looking for anyone willing to take the NFC in that game today. Im trying to make some money off of those chumps in the NFC.

Did any NFC-loving "chumps" make money off you last year?

[gogetter0587]

Did any NFC-loving "chumps" make money off you last year?


No after what the giants did to get there i was not willing to put money on it.

I did just take in a hefty sum on the BIG 12 loving chumps.

[FaT_tONle]

I think the balance of power is shifting... Pats/Colts will be dragged down the mediocrity over the next few years... I could definitely see the NFC East dominating like they did in the early nineties.

[StorminNorman]

It all starts with their selection of coaches. Without proper coaching, Matthew Stafford will be an Alex Smith esque bust. Best case scenario for them looks like this:

Alex Smith and Mathew Stafford are two completely different prospects. Alex Smith came from a gimmick offense, Stafford has spent 3 years in a Pro Offense and has spent years training with the Mannings. This guy is not a College QB trying to enter the Pro's, he's a Professional QB playing College Ball. I do agree that he needs a good coach to mold him - I like Brian Billick - but he has nothing in common with Alex Smith outside of being a QB.

1. Spagnola is named their head coach. This guy has a freakishly effective defensive system. He will touchen up the defense and team and turn them into a smash mouth football team. His track record is flawless. No Strahan? No problem. No Umenyura? Sure. Dallas needs him more than Detroit, but this is Detroits best option. Give him 2 years and theyll have a dominant defense.

Spagnola is a great coach, but again I think Schwartz is a better fit. Schwartz has done everything Spagnola has (besides owning a Super Bowl ring) but with less talent and for a longer time.

2. With 1st overall pick, they take left tackle ANDRE SMITH from Arizona. Stafford is a very inviting pick, however whoever they have as their qb next season will not do anything unless something is done immeadietly about their offensive line. Smith is a stud. Not Jake Long, but the best in this at his position by far.

You never pass on a Franchise QB when you don't have one. Ever. Andre Smith is a great prospect, but he is not the only Offensive Lineman that offers immediate impact. The Detroit Lions have two first round draft picks, allowing them to go for both a Franchise Offensive Lineman and a Franchise QB (think Cleveland Browns a couple years ago). Stafford will not last until their second pick, but a tackle like Jason Smith from Baylor can. Jason Smith is a former TE who is a very strong kid - the guy is athletic and can protect Stafford's blind side.

3. Now that they have addressed offense, time to address d. They draft a de, either Selvie or Tyson Jackson, to be their version of Justin Tuck or Osi. They have a decent linebacker in Simms, only thing left is a corner. In 2nd round, they draft DJ Moore from Vanderbilt.

The draft is deep in the Defensive End position, they can select First Round talent in the Second round. I like DJ Moore from Vanderbilt a lot, I also love Joe Burnett from UCF. Burnett has top caliber speed, was the most dangerous return man in Conference USA. He will probably be a third or fourth round prospect and would be an excellent pick up for Detroit.

They head into next season with
1. Improved offensive line ready to protect Culpepper and block better for Smith, who has to be ready to be the work horse ala Mike Turner this year.

2. Culpepper knowing the full play book, with more time to pass and better chemistry with his wr's.

Culpepper has given no indication he can be a starting NFL QB at any point in the last few years. If the Detroit Lions do not select a Franchise QB this draft, they are doomed for mediocrity. Stafford is the best QB prospect to enter the draft since Jay Cutler, the Lions simply cannot pass him up.

3. Much better defensive coaching with a potentially dominant defensive end and prospect corner.

Theyd win 5-7 games and get another good draft, which now they use one a QB. He sits a season while they win 8-10 and then starts, and with everything else around him already clicking, find themselves winning 12+ games.

Again, there is not a Mathew Stafford in next years draft. You can't pass on a QB today and simply hope there is an equal prospect in a year.

[Captain Planet!]

I'm predicting Eagles vs. Ravens*. :up:

[StorminNorman]

Baltimore v. Arizona

[Captain Planet!]

I'd be fine with either.

[ih8nyy]

Great Line I heard yesterday on the radio.

"If the Ravens play the Cardinals in the Superbowl, who will God root for? Ray Lewis or Kurt Warner? The world might just split in half if that matchup happens."

[Kaleb]

Baltimore v. Arizona I hope not , as much as im happy for Arizona I hope the ravens dont face them as the cards strenghts are the Ravens biggest weakness ( passing attack)

[Kaleb]

I'm predicting Eagles vs. Ravens*. :up:

Id love that, I can just imagine once Harbough hoists the Lambardi trophy , he thanks Andy Ried for giving him his first chance and then calls him up to join him.

[Shemtov]

If The Eagles win the SB Philly will go NUTS. first the Phillies win the WS then the Eagles win the SB.

Talking about the Ws and SB, did people releize that both are played in tampa?
odd.

[ih8nyy]

If The Eagles win the SB Philly will go NUTS. first the Phillies win the WS then the Eagles win the SB.

Talking about the Ws and SB, did people releize that both are played in tampa?
odd.

Isn't that the 2nd time you've posted that in the last 2 days?

What would really be weird is if the game is suspended after the 3rd quarter and they have to play the final quarter 3 days later. Spooky.

[Holiday]

If The Eagles win the SB Philly will go NUTS. first the Phillies win the WS then the Eagles win the SB.

Talking about the Ws and SB, did people releize that both are played in tampa?
odd.

Didn't you post this like, two days ago? :huh:

[ih8nyy]

Didn't you post this like, two days ago? :huh:

Actually it was yesterday.

It's like Groundhog Day in here.

[StorminNorman]

Great Line I heard yesterday on the radio.

"If the Ravens play the Cardinals in the Superbowl, who will God root for? Ray Lewis or Kurt Warner? The world might just split in half if that matchup happens."

Well Kurt Warner never killed someone...so I think he will probably get the nod.

[Holiday]

Actually it was yesterday.

It's like Groundhog Day in here.

Damn, I was hoping I could see the future. :csad:

[ih8nyy]

Well Kurt Warner never killed someone...so I think he will probably get the nod.

Very True. That was actually someones response to that question.

[Dr. Evil]

Pioli to join Chiefs:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

Yeah, Edwards is gone

[Venom'sDad]

If The Eagles win the SB Philly will go NUTS. first the Phillies win the WS then the Eagles win the SB.

Talking about the Ws and SB, did people releize that both are played in tampa?
odd.

Didn't you say that like a few days ago or is it just deja vu? :hehe:

[Go Web Go!]

Pioli to join Chiefs:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

Yeah, Edwards is gone

I figured he would have stayed put. KC isn't a very attractive destination.

[Mister J]

Pioli to join Chiefs:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

Yeah, Edwards is gone
Hunt and Pioli: I'm sorry, Herm, but we feel it's in the best interest of the franchise to seek new leadership on the sideline.

Edwards: But guys ...we can build on this!

[Excel]

Draft talk: Usc safety Taylor Mays is staying in school.

[Double Down]

I figured he would have stayed put. KC isn't a very attractive destination.

What are you basing that on? They have a great fanbase and a loyal owner who wants to win.

[Captain Planet!]

Well Kurt Warner never killed someone...so I think he will probably get the nod.
Yeah, but Ray Lewis has bigger muscles.

[Excel]

Alex Smith and Mathew Stafford are two completely different prospects. Alex Smith came from a gimmick offense, Stafford has spent 3 years in a Pro Offense and has spent years training with the Mannings. This guy is not a College QB trying to enter the Pro's, he's a Professional QB playing College Ball. I do agree that he needs a good coach to mold him - I like Brian Billick - but he has nothing in common with Alex Smith outside of being a QB.

Ok, how does Joey Harrington work? Ryan leaf? There are dozens of them. Stafford isnt the stud Matt Ryan was last year, he is simply the best qb in the draft who has a cannon. With proper coaches he can be Ben Roethlisberger, but without it, he will be a bust .

Culpepper has given no indication he can be a starting NFL QB at any point in the last few years. If the Detroit Lions do not select a Franchise QB this draft, they are doomed for mediocrity. Stafford is the best QB prospect to enter the draft since Jay Cutler, the Lions simply cannot pass him up.

There has been 2 drafts since than, and tools wise he doesnt have anything on JaMarcus Russel. Cutler also had a great offensive mind molding him. Dont get me wrong, Stafford is the best qb prospect in the draft, it would just be a risky pick given the state of their organization. Pinning the teams hopes on one player rarely works out if they dont have a great defense and great offensive line.

Again, there is not a Mathew Stafford in next years draft. You can't pass on a QB today and simply hope there is an equal prospect in a year

That isnt true. Mark Sanchez will more than likely be there, if not they can snag Clausen who despite his college dissappointments thus far, has the best mechanics and tools of a college qb in quite a while. Sanchez in particular is poised to lead a monsterous team and highly explosive offense.

[ih8nyy]

What are you basing that on? They have an great fanbase and a loyal owner who wants to win.

I would have to agree with that.

[ih8nyy]

I can see Belichicks press conference congratulating Pioli now.

*Gathers Reporters Around*

Bill: "I am going to say one thing. I am really happy for Scott Pioli. I love Scott. I just want to comment on how, it has become a common thing in the NFL for teams to fall in love with my sloppy seconds. I do not know what that is about, but enjoy KC Scott."

[Dr. Evil]

Rumored name as a possible replacement for Edwards in Kansas City:

Iowa Head Coach Kirk Ferentz

[ih8nyy]

Rumored name as a possible replacement for Edwards in Kansas City:

Iowa Head Coach Kirk Ferentz

He was rumored as Cleveland Coach when it was thought Pioli was going there.

[StorminNorman]

Ok, how does Joey Harrington work? Ryan leaf? There are dozens of them. Stafford isnt the stud Matt Ryan was last year, he is simply the best qb in the draft who has a cannon. With proper coaches he can be Ben Roethlisberger, but without it, he will be a bust .


Joey Harrington doesn't compare, he was a system QB and does not have the tools Stafford brings. Ryan Leaf also is not a good comparison because it was his mental instabilities that cursed him, not his ability or coaching. I think Stafford will be a better QB that Matt Ryan, he has a greater array of tools and has a similar calmness to him. Will he have Ryan's rookie success? I don't think so.



Stafford needs a good coach, obviously - any young QB does - but he is not a project.




There has been 2 drafts since than, and tools wise he doesnt have anything on JaMarcus Russel. Cutler also had a great offensive mind molding him. Dont get me wrong, Stafford is the best qb prospect in the draft, it would just be a risky pick given the state of their organization. Pinning the teams hopes on one player rarely works out if they dont have a great defense and great offensive line.

Passing on Stafford is just as risky as picking Stafford. Stafford has a better set of tools than JaMarcus Russell is a better prospect. Cutler did have a great offensive mind molding him, but if Detroit doesn't have a good offensive coach they aren't going to win no matter who they pick or don't pick. If they don't have a good offensive coach, a good offensive mind, then picking Andre Smith isn't going to help anyway.



I am not saying that the Lions DON'T need help at Defense and Offensive Line - they do. Obviously. But you don't have to choose one or the other - pick Stafford, pick a Tackle and then draft Defense in later rounds. Plus there will be a lot of talent in the Defensive Free Agency.



That isnt true. Mark Sanchez will more than likely be there, if not they can snag Clausen who despite his college dissappointments thus far, has the best mechanics and tools of a college qb in quite a while. Sanchez in particular is poised to lead a monsterous team and highly explosive offense.

Clausen has bombed as a Collegiate QB, why would you bank a franhise on him? Mark Sanchez doesn't have Stafford's tools either.

Both Clausen and Sanchez are bigger risks than Stafford- Clausen far far far more so.

[RAMORE]

Well Kurt Warner never killed someone...so I think he will probably get the nod.

Dayyyuuuumm score one for SNR.

[Venom'sDad]

I don't know... he has been murdering DB's the last few weeks. :)

[Dr. Evil]

Has Mark Sanchez even announced he's coming out yet?

[StorminNorman]

Mark Sanchez is still undecided.

[The Game]

Damn the vultures are picking us apart, but good luck to Pioli and McDaniels, time to reload and go at it again

Well Kurt Warner never killed someone...so I think he will probably get the nod.

Neither did Ray Lewis

[Excel]

Neither did Ray Lewis

Sure he didnt ;)

[rdh007]

Just in case he's watching, I completely believe Ray Lewis.

[Kelly]

Well in case he is watching, I'm sure he will see your belief in him......twice. *winks*

[rdh007]

Yeah, what was that all about??? I just noticed it upon my return.

[Go Web Go!]

What are you basing that on? They have a great fanbase and a loyal owner who wants to win.

I'm not basing it on the city or the fans, or the owner. I'm basing it on the team & talent he has to work with. It's not ideal to take over a 2-14 mess of a team when you've helped guide another to 3 Super Bowls, but good for him for taking on that challenge. We'll see if it works or if he's just another guy who bolted New England only to fall flat elsewhere.

[Double Down]

Biggest hurdle is cleared
By Phil Sheridan
PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER COLUMNIST
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - The impossible suddenly looks probable. After requiring a miracle just to sneak into the playoffs, the Eagles are now two very manageable wins from retracing the Phillies' parade route.
They will play in their fifth NFC championship game in eight years this Sunday in Arizona. There is nothing about the Cardinals or the AFC finalists, Baltimore and Pittsburgh, that is as imposing as the New York Giants at the Meadowlands.
By beating the defending Super Bowl champions, 23-11, in a brutal game today, the Eagles cleared the highest hurdle between themselves and their first NFL championship since 1960.
...
Steve Spagnuolo, the defensive coordinator who helped the Giants win it all, came into the Eagles' locker room after the game. He embraced Pat Shurmur and Ted Williams, with whom he worked in Philadelphia for eight years.
"Go get that ring," Spagnuolo told his old friends before seeking out Brian Dawkins to deliver the same message: "Go get that ring."
The hardest part of the job is done.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/sports_breaking/20090111_Phil_Sheridan__Biggest_hurdle_is_cleared. html

Rotoworld columnist Gregg Rosenthal had a take on this story:
This is why outsiders don't like the Philly media. Phil Sheridan starts his column with this line: "The impossible suddenly looks probable."
Tear them down all year, then hand them the title with two very difficult games to go. Vegas currently lists Philly as 11-5 to win the title, which sounds about right. Pittsburgh is the favorite at 3-2.

[Go Web Go!]

Tear them down all year, then hand them the title with two very difficult games to go. [/I]

And this is why Philly fans & media are so damn hateable.

[Double Down]

I'm not basing it on the city or the fans, or the owner. I'm basing it on the team & talent he has to work with. It's not ideal to take over a 2-14 mess of a team when you've helped guide another to 3 Super Bowls, but good for him for taking on that challenge. We'll see if it works or if he's just another guy who bolted New England only to fall flat elsewhere.

1. He hasn't gotten the credit he may deserve in New England. He can build his own winner in KC and prove his ability. Until teams started to target Pioli for their franchises, he wasn't exactly a household name outside of New England.
2. As a Miami fan, you know as well as anyone how fast a situation can be turned around in the NFL. It is a lot easier to get a new QB and RB (such as Atlanta did) than it is to get a loyal owner and a great fanbase.

In fact, KC is in a comparable situation right now to what Atlanta and Miami were last year.

[Excel]

Pioli and his great drafts my ass, its all Belichick and his "system"

[Showtime]

Come Excel, the guy is involved. Belichick doesn't do everything. That is ridiculous.

[ih8nyy]

Come Excel, the guy is involved. Belichick doesn't do everything. That is ridiculous.

Liar!

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg277/cpoconnor/evilbill-2.jpg

[Alex The Great]

The Thought of The Arizona Cardinals and Baltimore Ravens in the superbowl this year makes me want to punch a mexican stripper in her ovaries.


I Hope Both teams make it :up:

[vindrow]

Gotta go with a Steelers/Eagles SB....gonna be teh Pennsyvania Bowl.

[Dark Donnie]

And this is why Philly fans & media are so damn hateable.

Most Philly fans feel the opposite of the article and aren't looking past Arizona hence the comments from the article. That being said....I do think The Eagles should win this game. :cwink:

[Excel]

As soon as the Eagles buy into their own hype, they will lose. They are the type of team that will thrive as the under dogs.

[Venom'sDad]

That is so true in many ways ^

[RAMORE]

The Thought of The Arizona Cardinals and Baltimore Ravens in the superbowl this year makes me want to punch a mexican stripper in her ovaries.


I Hope Both teams make it :up:

Why does she have to be mexican and what about that event makes you want to hurt women...Freak!

[RAMORE]

As soon as the Eagles buy into their own hype, they will lose. They are the type of team that will thrive as the under dogs.

Then why didn't they win against the patriots in the superbowl?

[Showtime]

...because McNabb was throwing up all over the field.

[That-Guy]

I may have already said this before, but I hope that I go to my grave many, many years from now, smiling because the Eagles have never, ever won a Super Bowl. Philly can have baseball. That's fine. Football is Pittsburgh's territory. The Steelers can make history this year by becoming the team with the best Super Bowl win record in NFL history. If that happens, and I'm hoping that it can... this will be the best Super Bowl ever.

For me, anyway.

[FaT_tONle]

That Superbowl with the Eagles/Pats was the summation of the difference between the Pats/Eagles the last decade. I am glad we got that matchup. That will be the Superbowl that defined the decade. The Eagles have been a "wanna be" Patriot franchise for the longest time. And as much as I hate the Pats... even Eagle fans would admit it. They have had that same smug that they can replace all these chips through the draft and the practice squad... they have had some success since... but it really has been nothing more than getting hot at the right time. They really haven't been all that good since. No way they get it done... they will be dominated in the Superbowl barring an atrocious Big Ben/Flacco performance.

[Showtime]

I honestly don't think the NFC has a shot vs either the Ravens or Pittsburgh.

Arizona and Philly are weak teams that back down when punched in the mouth.

[Excel]

I dunno. If Arizona makes it itll be a blowout for the AFC, but a Pittsburg-Philadelphia matchup could be very good. Both teams have very good defenses with potentially explosive offenses. Itd be a combo of good defense with big plays.

But I see it being Pittsburg-Arizona.

Then why didn't they win against the patriots in the superbowl?

They were used to being far more dominant then they are now. Some teams lose their edge when they seriously expect you are going to win, just check the Pats last season vs. New York.

[Erzengel]

The Eagles should have won that Superbowl. But T.O. was right, McNabb gave up. McNabb was quoted saying, he wasn't going to run, and there were plays where he had a good 25 yards open in front of him and he just stayed in his pocket which is his style to this day.

[Mister J]

Source: Herm Edwards Not Ruled Out as Chiefs' Coach Yet (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3832588)
A source with knowledge of the team's thinking told ESPN's Michael Smith it has not been ruled out that Herm Edwards could return for the final year of his contract as coach of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Conventional wisdom is that Scott Pioli, who is expected to be introduced as the team's new general manager later Wednesday, will want to hire his own guy, but a source said Pioli is coming in with an open mind.

The fate of Edwards and his staff is expected to be decided by the end of this week.

Owner Clark Hunt, according to sources, prefers that Edwards remain the coach, but Hunt has gone on record as saying the new general manager would make that decision.

As for who would replace Edwards, if the team decides to go in a different direction, a top candidate who has been mentioned is New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo.

Multiple reports also have mentioned Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, who previously worked with Pioli in Cleveland. But according to a source close to Hunt, the Chiefs owner is opposed to bringing in a college coach -- though, again, that ultimately would be Pioli's decision.
We can build on this!

[That-Guy]

The Eagles should have won that Superbowl. But T.O. was right, McNabb gave up. McNabb was quoted saying, he wasn't going to run, and there were plays where he had a good 25 yards open in front of him and he just stayed in his pocket which is his style to this day.

That's why I have to give a lot of credit to guys like Roethlisberger and even Flacco. Just because a QB doesn't have anyone to throw to doesn't mean he can't pick up a first down. You've got two f**king legs... use them.

[That-Guy]

I honestly don't think the NFC has a shot vs either the Ravens or Pittsburgh.

Arizona and Philly are weak teams that back down when punched in the mouth.

I agree in full.

[Erzengel]

Well Roethlisberger has to learn not to hang on to the ball as long as he does. :o

[Erzengel]

I honestly don't think the NFC has a shot vs either the Ravens or Pittsburgh.

Arizona and Philly are weak teams that back down when punched in the mouth.

The 9 - 7, and 9 - 6 - 1 records just bother me. Regardless the playoffs are a whole new season, the fact that both teams are there just makes me so not interested in any of them to win.

[Dark Donnie]

That's why I have to give a lot of credit to guys like Roethlisberger and even Flacco. Just because a QB doesn't have anyone to throw to doesn't mean he can't pick up a first down. You've got two f**king legs... use them.

McNabb was one of the most versatile QB's in NFL history....much better then guys like Big Ben and Flacco.....problem is he got plump as hell and can't run as well. He still can get the occasional first down with his legs though. Even this year he had more rushing yards then both.


Also Philly beat up on Pitts earlier in the year sacking Big Ben 9 times. So if they advance and played them winning isn't out of the question.

[Erzengel]

Yeah but it also depends on which McNabb shows up.

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah but it also depends on which McNabb shows up.

Well it's almost a certainty that he won't pull a Delhomme like last week and throw 5 picks. The Eagles having been winning with defense of late, and an average offense. Hopefully the D brings it this weekend.

[Dark Donnie]

NYDN: (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2009/01/13/2009-01-13_giant_payday_coming_to_eli_manning_after-2.html)


Quote:
Manning might even end up being the highest-paid member, as several NFL sources said his next deal could be worth a league-high $15 million per season. That would be an average of $1 million more than his brother Peyton is making on the seven-year, $98 million deal he signed with the Indianapolis Colts in 2004.

Based on interviews with several agents and personnel people, Eli Manning appears to be in line for a seven- or eight-year contract worth $110 million-$120 million with $40 million in guarantees.

That would make the 28-year-old the eighth quarterback to top the $100 million barrier, and would put him near the top with Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb (12 years, $115million), Cincinnati's Carson Palmer (nine years, $118.75 million), and former Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick (10 years, $130 million).

:dry:

[Immortalfire]

The 9 - 7, and 9 - 6 - 1 records just bother me. Regardless the playoffs are a whole new season, the fact that both teams are there just makes me so not interested in any of them to win.

"Change teh playoff system!" [/Fat Tony]

[Erzengel]

NYDN: (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2009/01/13/2009-01-13_giant_payday_coming_to_eli_manning_after-2.html)




:dry:
Read on the back of the NY papers, with lines like "he is the face of the NY Giants", however I don't think there would be this much eyerolling if he did make it to the Superbowl again.

However unlike McNabb, Palmer and Vick, he does have the ring.

[Dark Donnie]

Read on the back of the NY papers, with lines like "he is the face of the NY Giants", however I don't there would be this much eyerolling if he did make it to the Superbowl again.

However unlike McNabb, Palmer and Vick, he does have the ring.

He may have a ring, but outside of ten games last season he's been mediocre....certainly not the highest paid QB in the league.

[Dr. Evil]

Sam Bradford is staying in school

[That-Guy]

McNabb was one of the most versatile QB's in NFL history....much better then guys like Big Ben and Flacco.....problem is he got plump as hell and can't run as well. He still can get the occasional first down with his legs though. Even this year he had more rushing yards then both.


Also Philly beat up on Pitts earlier in the year sacking Big Ben 9 times. So if they advance and played them winning isn't out of the question.

Ben was one of the best QBs in the NFL in his first two years; he never lost a game in his rookie year and in his 2nd year, he won the Super Bowl. Post-motorcycle accident he had a slump, but the past two season his numbers have been strong enough to lead the team into the post season twice, this time giving them the 2nd seed in the AFC. He also has the highest rating in the post-season right now; I know that the Steelers have only played one game, but when you consider the fact that with the statistically toughest regular season schedule (which turned out to be even tougher because Baltimore went from being an embarrassment to a Super Bowl contender) that's pretty impressive.

As for the Eagles/Steelers game in the regular season, yes, that game was painful to watch, I'll admit. Across the board though, commentators blamed the offensive line, not Ben, for those sacks. If the O-Line can protect Ben (or block well enough that he can run for first downs himself) then I think that Pittsburgh can win these next two games. They certainly looked like they could on Sunday.

[Immortalfire]

Sam Bradford is staying in school

Not surprised.

[BlackLantern]

Sam Bradford is staying in school

**** you Detroit....:oldrazz:

[Excel]

That's why I have to give a lot of credit to guys like Roethlisberger and even Flacco. Just because a QB doesn't have anyone to throw to doesn't mean he can't pick up a first down. You've got two f**king legs... use them.

Your saying McNabb hasnt used his legs enough??? If so you cant be serious.

[RAMORE]

That Superbowl with the Eagles/Pats was the summation of the difference between the Pats/Eagles the last decade. I am glad we got that matchup. That will be the Superbowl that defined the decade. The Eagles have been a "wanna be" Patriot franchise for the longest time. And as much as I hate the Pats... even Eagle fans would admit it. They have had that same smug that they can replace all these chips through the draft and the practice squad... they have had some success since... but it really has been nothing more than getting hot at the right time. They really haven't been all that good since. No way they get it done... they will be dominated in the Superbowl barring an atrocious Big Ben/Flacco performance.

I love how you just discount the cardinals even having a shot of making it their. Keep making them underdogs and it's only going to get worse.

[Erzengel]

If McNabb used his legs in Superbowl XXXIX he would have won. Instead he chose to stay in the pocket regardless if there were 25 yards ahead of him to won. He gave up.

[Excel]

Sam Bradford is staying in school

I bet Mark Sanchez is filing his papers as we speak.

[RAMORE]

The Eagles should have won that Superbowl. But T.O. was right, McNabb gave up. McNabb was quoted saying, he wasn't going to run, and there were plays where he had a good 25 yards open in front of him and he just stayed in his pocket which is his style to this day.

Exactly. TO got them there fought hard to come back and play and he played great Mcnabb choked he didn't even toss it up and give it a chance at the end it disgusts me and that's why I never blamed TO for his exit from there.

[Shemtov]

if the Eagles win on sunday i'm gonna have an "Eye of the Tiger" singing marathon

[BlackLantern]

if the Eagles win on Sunday, I might hang myself....twice

[RAMORE]

I bet Mark Sanchez is filing his papers as we speak.

He should is the bradford thing official?

[Shemtov]

if the Eagles win on Sunday, I might hang myself....twice
why twice?

[Dark Donnie]

If McNabb used his legs in Superbowl XXXIX he would have won. Instead he chose to stay in the pocket regardless if there were 25 yards ahead of him to won. He gave up.

The Eagles not winning the Superbowl had nothing to do with McNabb not running. They lost because they turned the ball over to much (4 times) and couldn't get a timely stop. McNabb threw for 357 Yards and 3 Tds....but he had 3 picks.....one of which was at the goaline going in.


The final was only 24-21

[That-Guy]

if the Eagles win on sunday i'm gonna have an "Eye of the Tiger" singing marathon

If I never hear that stupid song again, it'll be too soon. We seriously need some new sports anthems.

[Erzengel]

The Eagles not winning the Superbowl had nothing to do with McNabb not running. They lost because they turned the ball over to much (4 times) and couldn't get a timely stop. McNabb threw for 357 Yards and 3 Tds....but he had 3 picks.....one of which was at the goaline going in.


The final was only 24-21

I'm going from what I remember.

[Shemtov]

If I never hear that stupid song again, it'll be too soon. We seriously need some new sports anthems.
it sums up there season perfectly. :cmad:. at least for Donavan "Giants Phone" McNabb

[That-Guy]

The Eagles not winning the Superbowl had nothing to do with McNabb not running. They lost because they turned the ball over to much (4 times) and couldn't get a timely stop. McNabb threw for 357 Yards and 3 Tds....but he had 3 picks.....one of which was at the goaline going in.


The final was only 24-21

Ah yes, I remember that score... it led to an altered version of the Eagles theme song:

Crash, Eagles, Burn
On the road to your defeat
Try, Eagles, Try
You'll only lose by 3
Boo'em loud
Boo'em proud
And watch the Eagles die
Cry, Eagles fans
How do you spell losing team?
E-A-G-L-E-S
Eagles!

[Dark Donnie]

Report: Cowboys considering releasing Owens

Mike Lombardi of the National Football Post reports that the Cowboys are having "serious internal discussions" about releasing Terrell Owens.

"Serious discussions," Lombardi stresses. This coincides with last week's report by ESPN's Ed Werder, who cited a supposed decline by the 35-year-old wideout. But there simply has been none. Owens got stronger during the season's second half, averaging 18.9 YPC with five TDs in the last eight games. Jan. 14 - 4:47 pm et
Source: National Football Post

[Mister J]

:lmao:

I heard rumblings of such, but largely dismissed it all. However, I will be rolling if it goes through.

[BlackLantern]

if it happens, that will totally make my 2009

[rdh007]

They won't do it. JJ loves the spotlight, possibly more than winning. Winning is just the quickest way to the spotlight.

[That-Guy]

it sums up there season perfectly. :cmad:. at least for Donavan "Giants Phone" McNabb

I never understood what the big deal was with that song. I know all of these jockasses in high school who thought that song and "Welcome to the Jungle" were the greatest piece of music ever written. G'n'R I can get down with, but Survivor? Give me a break.

The song comes from one of the worst films in the Rocky series and has lived on to be one of the most annoying sports anthems in history. It truly is a testament to how hardcore sports fans generally have bad taste in everything not sports-related.

[StorminNorman]

Ben was one of the best QBs in the NFL in his first two years;

He was certainly one of the MOST SUCCESSFUL, but it wasn't because of his QB play. He didn't make mistakes, he was a game manager - but he wasn't an elite QB, nor would I put him in that category today.

[That-Guy]

He was certainly one of the MOST SUCCESSFUL, but it wasn't because of his QB play. He didn't make mistakes, he was a game manager - but he wasn't an elite QB, nor would I put him in that category today.

I guess you and I have a different concept of what elite means. I personally couldn't care less if a QB puts up phenomenal numbers as long if he gets his team to the Super Bowl because football is, after all, a team sport. Look at Drew Brees. He put up amazing numbers this year, but who really cares when the Saints finish at the bottom of their division?

I won't deny that guys like McNabb, Brady and Manning are amazing players who would probably do well on any team. But historically, the Steelers have been a team that runs the football and is generally more concerned about winning than putting up impossible numbers.

[Cunning Stunts]

I guess you and I have a different concept of what elite means. I personally couldn't care less if a QB puts up phenomenal numbers as long if he gets his team to the Super Bowl because football is, after all, a team sport. Look at Drew Brees. He put up amazing numbers this year, but who really cares when the Saints finish at the bottom of their division?

I won't deny that guys like McNabb, Brady and Manning are amazing players who would probably do well on any team. But historically, the Steelers have been a team that runs the football and is generally more concerned about winning than putting up impossible numbers.

QFT. :up:

[FaT_tONle]

Who the **** is coming up with these releasing T.O reports? It won't happen in a million years... the cap hit would be so big that they'd be paying T.O as much not to play a single game all of next year. Maybe in 2010... not this year.

[Shemtov]

heres some nicknames i came up with for various NFL players:
Danovan "giants phone" McNabb
Desean "Goalline fumble" Jackson
Tony "crybaby" Romo
Plexico "Suicide" Burress

[Immortalfire]

Reminder of the Super Bowl party/discussion thread that will begin either Sunday night, or Monday morning. :)

If you want any part of the buffet, get there before Holiday a.k.a. Baby Mangino does.

[That-Guy]

QFT. :up:

Yeah, it's just been the way they've played... and when it works, it really works. I've been a little skeptical about Willie Parker's ability the past two seasons, but these last two games have made me change my opinion. "Steeler football" as its been called, is alive and well. I just hope they use Mewelde Moore more often, because he's a very valuable asset to the team, and I'd hate to see them lose him. Gary Russell's looking pretty good these days too.

[Holiday]

Reminder of the Super Bowl party/discussion thread that will begin either Sunday night, or Monday morning. :)

If you want any part of the buffet, get there before Holiday a.k.a. Baby Mangino does.

Now that's just rude...


But yeah, everyone should take his advice because I'm gonna destroy that buffet. :wow:

[SurfDUI]

Arizona and Philly are weak teams that back down when punched in the mouth.

:huh: Dude-have you gone Mad...Zona maybe, damn near surley, but Philly is known for Defense, grinding it out. N0body pushes Westbrook around, or that secondary...Andy Reid's dope dealin kids think that statements crazy.

[That-Guy]

heres some nicknames i came up with for various NFL players:
Danovan "giants phone" McNabb
Desean "Goalline fumble" Jackson
Tony "crybaby" Romo
Plexico "Suicide" Burress

Joe "The Brow" Flacco
Donovan "Second Overtime" McNabb
Tom "The Ghost" Brady
Pacman "We're never going to stop calling you Pacman, douchebag" Jones
Terrell "Everybody's Fault Buy Mine" Owens
Duante "Shouda Stayed Retired" Culpepper
Rod "Losing Comes From Within" Marinelli
Brett "Don't Know When to Quit" Favre
Hines "Jawbreaker" Ward
Ray "The Holier-Than-Thou-Murderer" Lewis
Suggs the Bounty Hunter

[Immortalfire]

Joe "The Brow" Flacco
Donovan "Second Overtime" McNabb
Tom "The Ghost" Brady
Pacman "We're never going to stop calling you Pacman, douchebag" Jones
Terrell "Everybody's Fault But Mine" Owens
Duante "Shouda Stayed Retired" Culpepper
Rod "Losing Comes From Within" Marinelli
Brett "Don't Know When to Quit" Favre
Hines "Jawbreaker" Ward
Ray "The Holier-Than-Thou-Murderer" Lewis
Suggs the Bounty Hunter

:funny:

[BlackLantern]

Kevin "Jeremy who??" Boss
Matt "Put down the clipboard" Cassel

[Shemtov]

Donavan "Didn't Know There Could be Ties in the NFL" McNabb

[That-Guy]

Kevin "Whoops!" Kolb

[Shemtov]

Not a player but....
Andy "Always Pass" Reid .( one half of the problem in the game that mcNabb got benched in.)

[Double Down]

TEMPE, Ariz. (AP)—Arizona receiver Anquan Boldin practiced Wednesday, and says he will play in Sunday’s NFC championship game against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Boldin, who with Larry Fitzgerald forms arguably the best receiving tandem in football, said a trip to a Dallas chiropractor has greatly improved his strained left hamstring. The injury kept Boldin out of the Cardinals’ 33-13 victory at Carolina in Saturday’s divisional playoff game.
“I’ll be out there Sunday,” he said after practice.
Boldin said he was able to participate in all phases of practice, but in shorter spurts than normal.
He said he expected to be “real effective” in what would be the biggest game of his career.
“I don’t see there being any problems, no hindrances or anything like that,” Boldin said. “I’ll just be myself and resume my regular role.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ajtmq9x7yDxFYbRXMztmSUA5nYcB?slug=ap-cardinals-boldin&prov=ap&type=lgns

[That-Guy]

Rex "Hey, remember me?" Grossman
Seattle "Man, we sucked this year" Seahawks

[Raiden]

New York "0-5 vs West" Jets

[Dr. Evil]

Brett "ESPN is my Lover" Favre

[Dr. Evil]

Mark Sanchez is coming out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3833465

[FaT_tONle]

Was hoping he would have stayed... I like it when the top QB's from last year stay put in school for another year. Makes for a great follow up year to college football.

[Holiday]

Vishante, "Live TV Penis" Shiancoe.

[Raiden]

Mark Sanchez is coming out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3833465

It's too bad that Sanchez decides to declare for the draft. If he stays, then I think USC has a great chance to contend for the national championship. Maybe with both Bradford and Tedow both staying for another year, Sanchez figured that his stock will be high so he entered for a chance to be a top 5 pick.

[Showtime]

:huh: Dude-have you gone Mad...Zona maybe, damn near surley, but Philly is known for Defense, grinding it out. N0body pushes Westbrook around, or that secondary...Andy Reid's dope dealin kids think that statements crazy.

You think Philly is a tough team in comparison to the Steelers and the Ravens? Come on. Let me guess, you think the Colts are a tough team as well. :csad:

[BlackLantern]

Vishante, "Live TV Penis" Shiancoe.

Chris "wishes he was Vishante Shiancoe" Cooley

[Showtime]

The 9 - 7, and 9 - 6 - 1 records just bother me. Regardless the playoffs are a whole new season, the fact that both teams are there just makes me so not interested in any of them to win.

I agree. It just doesn't "look right". This is what the NFL wanted and some of the better teams were screwing that up. :csad:

[Alex The Great]

The Nerve! :cmad:

[Erzengel]

I agree. It just doesn't "look right". This is what the NFL wanted and some of the better teams were screwing that up. :csad:

I think 10 - 6 should be the minimum.

[Dr. Evil]

Tony "Brett Favre's Boytoy" Kornheiser

[SurfDUI]

You think Philly is a tough team in comparison to the Steelers and the Ravens? Come on. Let me guess, you think the Colts are a tough team as well. :csad:

In the frame of NFC being Junior Varsity, no-but the Eagles beat the reigning champs twice-and beat that ass soundly. NFC East is a tough division tho right- @ least the baddest in the NFC from top to bottom.

Tough city, tough team and tough fans, so are the Ravens and Steelers-but the Steelers ain't gone put up more than 20 points usually. Thas whya Raven/Eagle Superbowl will be the ball breakinest game ever. IF YOU CAN name several players on ANY defense this deep in the playoffs I think they've proven there metal.:bh:

[Holiday]

Chris "wishes he was Vishante Shiancoe" Cooley

:lmao:


Santonio "Probably related to John" Holmes

[Showtime]

In the frame of NFC being Junior Varsity, no-but the Eagles beat the reigning champs twice-and beat that ass soundly. NFC East is a tough division tho right- @ least the baddest in the NFC from top to bottom.

Tough city, tough team and tough fans, so are the Ravens and Steelers-but the Steelers ain't gone put up more than 20 points usually. Thas whya Raven/Eagle Superbowl will be the ball breakinest game ever. IF YOU CAN name several players on ANY defense this deep in the playoffs I think they've proven there metal.:bh:

I never would never consider the Eagles an in the trenches type team. If they even get by Arizona we'll see what happens when they get punched in the mouth by Baltimore or Pittsburgh. Putting up points doesn't make you a tough team, look at the Giants last year.

[Showtime]

I think 10 - 6 should be the minimum.

The under 10 win teams should play in a bowl game. :o

[Alex The Great]

Oh God, No

[bunk]

This is a pretty good weekend for Pennsylvania residents. Having the Steelers, Eagles, and Ravens this far in the playoffs should cover most football fans.

[NewYorkSpider]

I think 10 - 6 should be the minimum.

Just because two 9 win teams are in the NFC championship doesn't mean we need to panic. This is the first time it's ever happend, right? If it were to become a constant trend, then you could argue.

[Showtime]

We can call it...The Madden Bowl.

[Alex The Great]

We can call it...The Madden Bowl.
Sponsored by Fast Actin' Tin Actin'

[Cunning Stunts]

The under 10 win teams should play in a bowl game. :o

Just like in the soccer leagues... The worst three teams at the end of each season has to drop to the minor leagues. When they become a top-3 team in the minor leagues, they can become a major league team again. :word:

Not really. Honestly, I think if the playoffs change, it should go like this (if they're to be changed):

Winners of each division (four per conference) get playoff berths.

Wild cards are attributed to the top two teams (record-wise) in each conference.

From here, the seeding is based on records, rather than divisional winners. This makes it possible for (although pretty unlikely) wild cards to reach the higher seeds.

[Showtime]

HAHA. NFL Premiere League.

[Double Down]

From Rotoworld.com:

ESPN's Ed Werder now admits that the Cowboys have not had any discussions about releasing Terrell Owens.

Citing another unnamed source, Werder now says Dallas will discuss cutting T.O., but it "hasn't been initiated." Werder's reports about Dallas have been gossipy, and many false, since late in the season. Until the move is made or Jerry Jones indicates it's possible, expect Owens to be a Cowboy in 2009.

[Dark Donnie]

I never would never consider the Eagles an in the trenches type team. If they even get by Arizona we'll see what happens when they get punched in the mouth by Baltimore or Pittsburgh. Putting up points doesn't make you a tough team, look at the Giants last year.

Well there great at stopping the run....and during the season it was The Eagles that punched The Steelers in the mouth so there in no way shape or form soft. That Eagles/Baltimore during the season was a 10-7 game at half until Reid benched McNabb. Even then they didn't run the ball on us....we lost because of poor QB play.

I think 10 - 6 should be the minimum.

Because the difference between a 9-6-1 team and a 10-6 team is huge? Who the hell cares what record a team has going into the Conference Championship or Superbowl....by that logic The Giants shouldn't have even been playing in the Superbowl because a 10-6 record can't be on the same field as a 16-0 team.


I love when people's logic of "the best team won" goes out the window when it's not there team winning lol.

If we go out and lose this weekend it will suck, but considering this team had virtually no shot at the playoffs going into week 17. All the cards fell right and we got in. It's been a very entertaining last month.

[Showtime]

Well there great at stopping the run....and during the season it was The Eagles that punched The Steelers in the mouth so there in no way shape or form soft. That Eagles/Baltimore during the season was a 10-7 game at half until Reid benched McNabb. Even then they didn't run the ball on us....we lost because of poor QB play.

The regular season is a far different animal as we have seen year after year. For a multitude of reasons things change. Eagles just aren't as tough as Baltimore or Pittsburgh, and facing either of them would mean getting by Arizona, which to me shouldn't be a tough task for the Eagles.

[NewYorkSpider]

If we go out and lose this weekend it will suck, but considering this team had virtually no shot at the playoffs going into week 17. All the cards fell right and we got in. It's been a very entertaining last month.

I'm rooting for the Eagles and Ravens. Reid and McNabb have been close so many times. I think it's time they get to raise the Lombardi Trophy. On the other hand, the Ravens have a rookie head coach and QB. For them to win it in their first year will be one of the greatest accomplishments in NFL history.

[Double Down]

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[Excel]

From Rotoworld.com:

ESPN's Ed Werder now admits that the Cowboys have not had any discussions about releasing Terrell Owens.

Ed is making Owens and his "Ed Werder makes **** up" stories sound legit.

[Erzengel]

Well there great at stopping the run....and during the season it was The Eagles that punched The Steelers in the mouth so there in no way shape or form soft. That Eagles/Baltimore during the season was a 10-7 game at half until Reid benched McNabb. Even then they didn't run the ball on us....we lost because of poor QB play.



Because the difference between a 9-6-1 team and a 10-6 team is huge? Who the hell cares what record a team has going into the Conference Championship or Superbowl....by that logic The Giants shouldn't have even been playing in the Superbowl because a 10-6 record can't be on the same field as a 16-0 team.


I love when people's logic of "the best team won" goes out the window when it's not there team winning lol.

If we go out and lose this weekend it will suck, but considering this team had virtually no shot at the playoffs going into week 17. All the cards fell right and we got in. It's been a very entertaining last month.

Yes, one game is the line at least for me. It has nothing to do with the Giants last year.

[The Game]

From Rotoworld.com:

ESPN's Ed Werder now admits that the Cowboys have not had any discussions about releasing Terrell Owens.

Citing another unnamed source, Werder now says Dallas will discuss cutting T.O., but it "hasn't been initiated." Werder's reports about Dallas have been gossipy, and many false, since late in the season. Until the move is made or Jerry Jones indicates it's possible, expect Owens to be a Cowboy in 2009.

Ed Warder would be better off working for TMZ, the guy is a crook

[Dark Donnie]

Yes, one game is the line at least for me. It has nothing to do with the Giants last year.

It has everything to do with The Giants last year and teams that were in similar positions. Your saying teams with records that aren't through the roof shouldn't be playing at this time of the year. Both The Giants(last year), Cards and Eagles got hot at the right time and rode that into the playoffs with success. The Giants had a 10-6 record, while The Eagles finished 9-6-1, the difference of a half of a game. If The Eagles or Cards by some miracle won The Superbowl would they be a less deserving champ because they had one less win then The Giants last year, or other champs of years past with better regular season records? No.

To add, having watched every Eagles game I can say that this team could have easily won an additional 2-3 games, but couldn't capitalize when it counted, and were killed by injuries. Arizona, while finishing 9-7 probably could have added an additional win or two but had the division locked up at Thanksgiving and had nothing to play for.

Records have NO meaning once the playoffs start.

[Ring Deacon]

Yeah, it's just been the way they've played... and when it works, it really works. I've been a little skeptical about Willie Parker's ability the past two seasons, but these last two games have made me change my opinion. "Steeler football" as its been called, is alive and well. I just hope they use Mewelde Moore more often, because he's a very valuable asset to the team, and I'd hate to see them lose him. Gary Russell's looking pretty good these days too.

You got to love Steelers football. They play hard on both sides of the ball. If they are not pounding the ball down your throat on offence, the defence will make even the toughest man quake in his boots.

I honestly don't see anyone beating the Steelers now. They are playing at their best right now and once they get on a roll like this it take a lot to stop them. This could be a history making year with The Steelers being the first team to win 6 Super Bowls. I could be wrong and I'll be the first to say I am if they lose Sunday in the AFC Championship Game. But let face it. The Steelers had the toughest schedule of any team in the league and they finished 13 - 3, that says something about them.

As for Ben. I feel he deserves to be in the same company as Brady, Farve, Romo and Manning. He may not have the numbers, but he is a play maker. He finds ways to get a play to work when most time it looks like he'll get nothing. He is a true leader on that team and they haven't had one like him since Bradshaw. I can name many teams that wish they had him on their roster.

[Erzengel]

It has everything to do with The Giants last year and teams that were in similar positions. Your saying teams with records that aren't through the roof shouldn't be playing at this time of the year. Both The Giants(last year), Cards and Eagles got hot at the right time and rode that into the playoffs with success. The Giants had a 10-6 record, while The Eagles finished 9-6-1, the difference of a half of a game. If The Eagles or Cards by some miracle won The Superbowl would they be a less deserving champ because they had one less win then The Giants last year, or other champs of years past with better regular season records? No.

To add, having watched every Eagles game I can say that this team could have easily won an additional 2-3 games, but couldn't capitalize when it counted, and were killed by injuries. Arizona, while finishing 9-7 probably could have added an additional win or two but had the division locked up at Thanksgiving and had nothing to play for.

Records have NO meaning once the playoffs start.
I'd feel the same way if the Giants were 9 - 7 as opposed to 10 - 6. One game would have made all the difference to me.

Would I have still cheered for the Giants? Yes. Would their record bother me? Yes.