2008 NFL Thread

[Dark Donnie]

edit

[Immortalfire]

It's on ESPN's ticker...Favre will retire.

[LegendaryCaleb]

Aside from the Farve, I'm not too familiar with the Packers, how is Rodgers?
Im pretty sad about Favre
but Rodgers (IMO) is pretty good...When he took over against the Cowboys i believe...(cant remember if it was them or not)..he got about 200 yards and i think a touchdown or 2...cant remember...but he seems promising

[Erzengel]

End of an era. Kinda sad in a way, I'm not a Packers fan but Favre was just a likable guy.

[Mister J]

Haul ass, Brett. Wish you retired before last year. :up:

I've enjoyed watching one of the all-time greats play, but I'm sick of the bastard and his annual "Will I, Won't I" flip-flopping.

I still don't put it past him to un-retire.

[Dark Donnie]

I was just going to say that...bet he comes back.

[Showtime]

Favre was a gamer. Sad to see him go.

[jaguarr]

Favre's earned his retirement (and then some). He's pretty well spoken and personable, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him pick up a tv analyst job on one of the networks. Hell, if they'll let Thannon Tharpe do it, they'll let anyone do it!

jag

[Dark Donnie]

I wonder how Madden is holding up....suicide watch begins.....

[Excel]

That really is too bad.

[Jerry!]

HE GONE!! OH YES!!!! He'll grab some bench! Oh my god, I can't believe it. I thought he would never do it after he cost his team the Super Bowl. It's perfect, just perfect. And for all you people saying he is coming back, don't count on it. There is no coming back at 40 + years old to football. It's finally over. A few years too late and should have lost everyone's respect because of that ******** going away tour that ended up for nothing, but over nonetheless. But at least there won't be another scene where he is crying on Andrea Kramer's shoulder. Good riddance.

[Fran]

^ Jealousy I sense in you. :o

[Jerry!]

No jealousy. I could never be jealous of those "people" up in Green Bay. Just pure hatred.

[Fran]

Wow... hahahaha.

[Jerry!]

What do you expect? Green Bay and Chicago is one of the longest running rivalries of all time. There is no mutual respect or any kind of good will.

[Dark Donnie]

Packers didn't wnat him back?????

Brett Favre-QB-Packers Mar. 4 - 11:14 am et

The Packers have officially announced Brett Favre's retirement. Brett Favre's agent Bus Cook said he thought Favre wanted to play another year, but didn't feel that the Packers wanted him back.

It sounds like this story isn't over yet. "I think he felt he could play one more year. I don't know if they told him they really wanted him to play. That's just the feeling I got," Cook said. Cook says that the Packers didn't try to talk Favre out of the decision. When asked if Favre could be talked out of the decision, he said, "I don't know."
Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette

[rdh007]

I'm a big believer in winning Super Bowls, so for me, Brett Favre will always be a little better than Kurt Warner.

[Raiden]

Not a Jets fan but Pennington has never really impressed me. He's a NCAA QB at best with a "decent arm" but seems to be held together by duct tape and gum. I hope Clemens is better.

Yeah, despite the optimism I have regarding Jets' FA signings, I'm still not happy about their QB position. I'm hoping they'd sign a veteran QB as the 3rd option, or draft Ryan if he falls to #6 (but probably won't be). But if Run DMC drops to #6, then Jets can turn into a run-first team, which won't be a bad thing I guess.

[Showtime]

HE GONE!! OH YES!!!! He'll grab some bench! Oh my god, I can't believe it. I thought he would never do it after he cost his team the Super Bowl. It's perfect, just perfect. And for all you people saying he is coming back, don't count on it. There is no coming back at 40 + years old to football. It's finally over. A few years too late and should have lost everyone's respect because of that ******** going away tour that ended up for nothing, but over nonetheless. But at least there won't be another scene where he is crying on Andrea Kramer's shoulder. Good riddance.

Unfortunately we still have to watch the trials and tribulations of Rex Grossman. He didn't retire.

[Raiden]

I was just going to say that...bet he comes back.

Favre's agent seemed to suggest that he thinks he still has a year or two in him, but he feels that Packers won't want him back; in other words, he just wants to get some love. I think Favre just wants a team to shower him with adoration and promises before he un-retires and come back for another year...

[Jerry!]

I'm a big believer in winning Super Bowls, so for me, Brett Favre will always be a little better than Kurt Warner.

They both won one.

[Erzengel]

Pennington is only efficient when he throws for short yardage, he doesn't have a arm especially after all the surgery. I mean if they become a run team, better for Pennington. Although, Pennington would be a better fit with like the Vikings and their offense.

[Dark Donnie]

Favre 'mentally tired,' tells Packers he's retiring
Updated: March 4, 2008, 11:06 AM ET

Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre has decided to retire.



"I know I can still play, but it's like I told my wife, I'm just tired mentally. I'm just tired," Favre told ESPN's Chris Mortensen in a voice mail messasge.

"If I felt like coming back -- and Deanna [Favre, his wife] and I talked about this -- the only way for me to be successful would be to win a Super Bowl. To go to the Super Bowl and lose, would almost be worse than anything else. Anything less than a Super Bowl win would be unsuccessful," Favre said in the message.

"I know it shouldn't feel unsuccessful, but the only way to come back and make that be the right decision would be to come back and win a Super Bowl and honestly the odds of that, they're tough. Those are big shoes for me to fill, and I guess it was a challenge I wasn't up for. "

Mortensen reported that according to Favre's agent, Bus Cook, Favre informed Packers coach Mike McCarthy of his decision Monday night.


The Gunslinger Retires

Brett Favre leaves the NFL with his name atop several career passing categories. In 2007, he set the record for passing TDs (442), passing yards (61,655) and wins by a starting QB (160) and interceptions (288). Including the playoffs, he played in 275 consecutive games.

A sure-fire first-ballot Hall of Famer, Favre, acquired in a trade with the Atlanta Falcons, led the Packers back to the NFL's elite. He retires with 5,377 carrer completions in 8,758 attempts for 61,655 yards, 442 touchdowns and 288 interceptions, passing Dan Marino's touchdown mark last season.


As a player Favre was known for his durability, his willingness to take risks and turn broken plays into big gains, as well as for the way his love for the game was evident in the way he played. He went to a pair of Super Bowls in 1996 and 1997, winning it all on his first try in Super Bowl XXXI, and was named to nine Pro Bowls.

Cook said as of Tuesday morning, there were no plans for Favre to hold a news conference. The Packers planned a news conference for 4 p.m. ET on Tuesday.



"I talked to Brett this morning and I told him 'nobody forced you to make this decision to retire, but the flip side is nobody encouraged you to play,'" Cook told Mortensen. "Two years ago, Ted [Thompson, the Packers' GM] encouraged him to play, but there was nothing this time around from them offering encouragement or him to come back."

Favre, who returned for the 2007 season when many thought he should have left the game, had a career renaissance in his final season and led the Packers to the NFC Championship Game, where they lost to the eventual Super Bowl champion New York Giants in overtime.



Favre passed Marino for the all-time completions record in 2006, and in 2007 set NFL records for wins by a QB, touchdown passes, pass attempts, pass yards and interceptions in 2007. He claimed the NFL record for career quarterback wins with his 149th victory in Week 2, passed Marino for the TD record in Week 4 and overtook Marino's career passing yards record in Week 15.



Mortensen reported that Favre, who wanted the Packers to obtain Randy Moss when he was a free agent last season, had once again pushed for Moss to join the Packers.


Favre had spoken to Moss late last week and was willing to commit to more than just this season if Moss and the Packers could come to an agreement. But the Packers did not pursue Moss, who re-signed with the Patriots on Monday.



In his voice mail message to Mortensen on Tuesday, Favre said the Packers' lack of pursuit of Moss was not the driving reason why he retired.



"This is not about the Packers and who they got or who they didn't get. I get along fine with [Thompson] and I get along great with [McCarthy]. Do I agree with them all the time? No. But the bottom line is, none of that stuff affected my decision," Favre said.

Surrounded by an underrated group of wide receivers who proved hard to tackle after the catch, Favre had a career-high completion percentage of 66.5 in 2007. He threw for 4,155 yards, 28 touchdowns and only 15 interceptions.



It was a remarkable turnaround from 2005, Favre's final season under former head coach Mike Sherman, when he threw a career-worst 29 interceptions as the Packers went 4-12.



Given Favre's career resurgence, it was widely assumed that he was leaning toward returning for the 2008 season.



He even said as much just before the Packers' Jan. 12 divisional playoff game against Seattle, telling his hometown newspaper that he wasn't approaching the game as if it would be his last and was more optimistic than in years past about returning.



"For the first time in three years, I haven't thought this could be my last game," Favre told the Biloxi [Miss.] Sun Herald. "I would like to continue longer."



ESPN NFL reporter Chris Mortensen


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3276034

[Darthphere]

Bill Parcells just put Brett Favre's number on speed dial.

[Jerry!]

Unfortunately we still have to watch the trials and tribulations of Rex Grossman. He didn't retire.

Nice try, but I don't even care about that either. It could be Orton for all I know who gets the job. Either way, no ones doing good behind that offensive line, it's irrelevent who's taking the snap.

[BlackLantern]

grossman will be competing with Orton for the starting job so who knows how it will work out

[Showtime]

Nice try, but I don't even care about that either. It could be Orton for all I know who gets the job. Either way, no ones doing good behind that offensive line, it's irrelevent who's taking the snap.

Must suck to be more happy about Brett Favre retiring than the Bears in 08. :csad:

[Showtime]

grossman will be competing with Orton for the starting job so who knows how it will work out

It's like choosing between death and taxes.

[Jerry!]

Well they haven't made any moves with the offensive line, so as is, I have to think about it realistically. Precious Brett Favre could be taking snaps behind the Bears offensive line and the results wouldn't be much better.

[BlackLantern]

I hope Aaron Rodgers paid attention this year.

[Jerry!]

He looked good in that Dallas game. But that was just one game.

[Dark Donnie]

Aaron Rodgers will be fine. They have a great Defense, and are really talented on offense. They'll still be a playoff team.

[Mee]

Someone make sure John Madden is ok! :(



Suicide watch!

[BlackLantern]

**** John Madden....get him out of the commentary booth please....

[Spider-Fan]

Favre will be missed :csad:

But Rodgers played well in the Dallas game, so don't count GB out just yet.

[Mee]

**** John Madden....get him out of the commentary booth please....
Why? Are you allergic to awesome? :csad:

[MST3K 4ever]

Someone make sure John Madden is ok! :(



Suicide watch!

Don't worry he's moved onto Tony Romo now.

[Immortalfire]

Madden now weeps, the tears run down all twenty of his chins as he witnesses the end of a great era.

[Mee]

He'll turn to his comfort food.



Chocolate covered turducken with sprinkles.

[Kaleb]

ESPN Reports: Coming from a very reliable source within the Eagles' organization, within the next 24 to 48 hours Lito Sheppard will be shipped to the St. Louis Rams along with the 19th Pick in the 2008 draft for Rams' wideout Torry Holt. The 31-year old Holt, going into his 10th NFL season, had a very impressive 2007 season. He finished with 93 receptions for 1,189 yards and 7 touchdowns. This addition will vastly improve a struggling Eagles' wide receiving corps

They also mentioned this briefly on sirius .

[Mister J]

Big Game Torry Holt is on the move?

That's big for the Eagles if it goes through.

[Fran]

NOOOO!!!!!!!! :csad:

[BlackLantern]

Why? Are you allergic to awesome? :csad:

no I'm allergic to blatantly obvious commentary and the fact that he gets 1 out of every 5 names wrong.

[Kaleb]

imagine the ridiculous stats that Westbrook can put up now that the attention will be focused on Holt

[BlackLantern]

wow Fran...not only was your "connection" wrong about Moss, but now it looks like Holt might be out of St. Louis as well

[Fran]

I had no "Connection" if you read my reply to your post it was a joke. :huh:

I'm all for improving the defense, but why get rid of Holt? :csad: I'm expecting the Rams to maybe draft a WR early now.

[Dark Donnie]

I posted the Holt Rumor a page back but took it down....someone said it was false on another site. I don't think The Eagles would give that up for him. He's aging, and been hurt.


However Jay Glazer says a huge trade is about to go down.....

[Kaleb]

Holt probably has 1-3 years left , so the Eagles are really going for broke this year. I won't complain, but I thought they could do better. The Eagles will have 10+ picks this year, so they still have flexibility if they want to moveup in the draft. They need a CB, Safety, and OTs pretty bad. From his contract details on rotoworld, I think the Rams would take a $3.29m cap hit if they got rid of Holt, which is not bad of a hit. If the Rams are gonna go into full rebuilding mode, this looks like a perfect deal for them.

[kane9321]

Still trying to face the fact of isaac bruce playing on my team..in my city..omg..He's been the enemy for sooo long

[FaT_tONle]

Big Game Torry Holt is on the move?

That's big for the Eagles if it goes through.


That's not a bad deal... but Holt is pretty old... I think the 19 pick is too much.... would have thought it would be a 2nd rounder and a later round pick... as for Farve... I'll miss the guy... he made the right decision though. Holt still has a good four years left...

[FaT_tONle]

And on a side note... as dreadful as this free agent class has been other than the two guys on the Pats... the NFL free agency has gone pretty well... usually there is no hype what so ever for free agents the only thing in the offseason to look forward to was pretty much the draft... the NFL has hit it out of the ball park compared to what it normally does this time of year... I like the fact that teams are starting to wheel and deal more and create more trade opportunities... its right up there with the other sports with respect to offseasons...

[rdh007]

Madden now weeps, the tears run down all twenty of his chins as he witnesses the end of a great era.
...only to be collected in a giant vat where they will water all crops for a small sub-Saharan African nation. The nation will then begin to speak incoherently.

[Kaleb]

I did enjoy this from ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080304


Excerpts:

"See, this is why we traded him. He's a quitter." -- former Falcons coach Jerry Glanville

"I tip my 40-ounce mocha double latte with extra whipped cream to his memory." -- Peter King

"Trust me on this: Brett should stick around one more year." -- Tiki Barber

"All that we have now to remember him is game film. Hours and hours and hours of game film." -- Bill Belichick

"If he's feeling tired and beat-up, I know of some stuff that can help with that." -- Shawne Merriman

"Great. Now he'll be more of a regular in our interracial two-hand touch games we play in a nearby wheat field while wearing our Wranglers as our dogs watch from the back of our pickup trucks." -- Brett Favre's friends

[cyborg ninja 14]

It's Aaron Rodgers time!!!
Some career highlights
http://bp1.blogger.com/_STytsDjRXLo/Rt3vK0L3XyI/AAAAAAAAACs/TP3sx6KLpho/s1600/rodgers.jpg The classic "Rodgers stache":woot:
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/76520245.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19343A7C5B91993BDB0059BBC99D37D1C06 284831B75F48EF45 Who could ever forget this moment?
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/08/04/gallery.topyoungqb/gallery1.jpg This was a memorable practice. Brings tears to my eyes to have seem him roll to the left side like that:csad:

[steintym]

Couple of things Favre can do during retirment:

- Surgically remove Madden's lips from his ***
- Continue the rich tradition of former Packer players going on to coach the team: Forrest Gregg, Bart Star
- Take over for Terry Bradshaw as TVs top hillbilly footbal analyst.
- Count the days until Peyton Manning has all of his passing records.
- Two words: Vicotin Binge!

Meant in good fun, and yes, I'm a disgruntled Bears fan.

[Bond]

*good news from Cowboys fans*

[bored]

Also from the ESPN story: "I ended the Patriots' perfect season and sent Brett Favre out of the NFL a loser. Who is man enough to step to this?" -- Eli Manning

[BlackLantern]

Also from the ESPN story: "I ended the Patriots' perfect season and sent Brett Favre out of the NFL a loser. Who is man enough to step to this?" -- Eli Manning

Yes, the Giants broke Favres' spirit, but I will miss him.

[Jerry!]

Or Moss broke his spirit.

[The Dude]

I'm a bit sad to see Brett go as it shows the end of an era in Green Bay, but I've been anticipating this for a while, I thought for sure he was going to retire last year and didn't keep the thought too far out of my mind. I was a bit surprised he chose to hung it up after this past year, expecially considering that most of that team is returning and will only get better with a year of experience under their belts, but i respect his decison.

I'm 17 and the only person who i have seen behind center my whole life for the Packers is Brett Favre, but I think that Aaron Rodgers is ready, while one game surely dosen't make a career, I think that his preformance in the Dallas game shows that he is able to step up and lead this team as the starting quarterback into the playoffs with the strong defence and skill players that this team has.

Thanks for the past 15 years Brett!

[The Game]

Or Moss broke his spirit.

Moss has done that a lot during his career :woot:

[Jerry!]

I bet any money that if the Packers somehow had signed Moss, we wouldn't be hearing about Favre retiring. Favre talks a lot of bull****.

[The Dude]

It's Aaron Rodgers time!!!
Some career highlights
http://bp1.blogger.com/_STytsDjRXLo/Rt3vK0L3XyI/AAAAAAAAACs/TP3sx6KLpho/s1600/rodgers.jpg The classic "Rodgers stache":woot:
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/76520245.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19343A7C5B91993BDB0059BBC99D37D1C06 284831B75F48EF45 Who could ever forget this moment?
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/08/04/gallery.topyoungqb/gallery1.jpg This was a memorable practice. Brings tears to my eyes to have seem him roll to the left side like that:csad:
he better bring the stache back for next season.

[Mister J]

I bet any money that if the Packers somehow had signed Moss, we wouldn't be hearing about Favre retiring. Favre talks a lot of bull****.
Some of it does sound disingenuous. He was pushing for the organization to bring in more playmakers on offense just prior to this. If Randy signs, I severely doubt he wakes up this morning, 'mentally tired'.

[The Chris]

Damn Favre's awesome. I'm gonna miss that mix of heart, enthusiasm, and skill!

[Raiden]

Some of it does sound disingenuous. He was pushing for the organization to bring in more playmakers on offense just prior to this. If Randy signs, I severely doubt he wakes up this morning, 'mentally tired'.

I think the owner and GM of Packers' refusal to offer a massive contract to lure Moss just to satisfy Favre showed that while they respect him, they are unwilling to mortgage their future just to please him. It's a sign that says they are more than willing to do what they think it's best, not what Favre thinks it's best for the organization. Maybe that's why Favre says he's "mentally tired" all of sudden.

[Mister J]

It surprised me that Favre was harping about the offense at all. GB was pretty dynamic on that side of the ball last year (#2 total yards, #4 scoring). Guys like Lee, Jennings and Grant really stepped up. Sure, you can always get better and if Moss is available, why not make a play, but they hardly needed a great redress there.

[Dark Donnie]

T.J. Duckett-RB-Seahawks Mar. 4 - 5:52 pm et

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that the Seahawks and T.J. Duckett have agreed to terms on a five-year contract.

We'd love to see the numbers on the deal first, but this could be a sign that Seattle is greasing the skids for Shaun Alexander. At the very least, Duckett is likely to steal some touchdowns. Duckett and Maurice Morris could also combine with a rookie to carry the load if Seattle chooses to cut Alexander in the offseason.
Related: Maurice Morris, Shaun Alexander

I wanted The Eagles to get Hicks
Maurice Hicks-RB-Vikings Mar. 4 - 6:30 pm et

Vikings signed RB Maurice Hicks.

No word yet on the terms of the deal. Hicks has little chance of seeing much action on offense unless Chester Taylor is dealt, but should take over as the Vikings' primary return man.
Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

Jason Webster-DB- Patriots Mar. 4 - 2:06 pm et


The Boston Globe reports that the Patriots agreed to terms with CB Jason Webster.

Webster provides a veteran body to compete at cornerback, but he's managed to stay healthy for fewer than half his games in the past five years. He should struggle to be anything more than a fourth or fifth corner as the Patriots rebuild the position.
Source: Boston Globe

[Kaleb]

Jabar Gafney is back with the pats.

[FaT_tONle]

*good news from Cowboys fans*

What Farve retiring? Rodgers shredded us last year... that game next year is at Lambeau... not going to be easy...

[Dark Donnie]

...

Jabar Gaffney-WR-Patriots Mar. 4 - 8:47 pm et

According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, Jabar Gaffney is expected to re-sign with the Patriots.

Schefter reports that the deal will be worth $2 million over one season, which suggests that Gaffney didn't get much interest on the open market despite a solid 2007 season.


Javon Walker-WR-Broncos Mar. 4 - 8:45 pm et

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Javon Walker is visiting the Raiders and could sign as soon as Wednesday.

Walker would replace Jerry Porter in Oakland, but signing with the Raiders won't do much to rekindle his fantasy value.
Related: Raiders

[cyborg ninja 14]

I think the owner and GM of Packers' refusal to offer a massive contract to lure Moss just to satisfy Favre showed that while they respect him, they are unwilling to mortgage their future just to please him. It's a sign that says they are more than willing to do what they think it's best, not what Favre thinks it's best for the organization. Maybe that's why Favre says he's "mentally tired" all of sudden.

Or mabye it's because he's been playing nonstop in a very physically demanding sport for 17 years straight? He may be 38, but that's old for a sports figure of that caliber.

[Jerry!]

Come on, don't tell me this would have happened if the Packers signed Moss.

[Erzengel]

I'm drawing parallels between Favre-Rodgers and Montana-Young. I wonder if Rodgers can step into his shoes.

[FaT_tONle]

Romo will be the most pressured Quarterback to win a Superbowl for the remainder of his career... Rodgers will probably fall into 2nd place... should be a great rivalry between the two as long as they are healthy the next six years... Rivers probably third... yes he did get traded down in the draft... but he talks too much smack and now he's the only QB in that class without a ring... he better win one with that team eventually... although the history isn't quite there with the Chargers... league is slowly coming back to the QB driven league as we are starting to see the depth build back up in the position... the QB play has been pretty bad recently only because everyone but Farve basically retired by 2000... now guys are starting to hit their prime...

[Cunning Stunts]

Before I'd heard that Favre apparently told Moss he'd stick around for two more years should Moss sign with the Pack, I figured that Favre was trying to get Moss to sign so Rodgers would have an incredibly reliable target.

[FaT_tONle]

Why the **** to the Pack need a big play threat when they got the kid Jennings... signing the big free agents is never a good idea unless your team is on the back end and is only built for the next 1-2 years... the Packers are the youngest team in the NFL... no need to bring in a big time free agent like that... you could easily spiral back to 7-9 if the chemistry isn't quite right. If you are a team like the Pats with a defense that is almost ready for total rebuilding mode... then you bring in a free agent like that.

[Cunning Stunts]

Why the **** to the Pack need a big play threat when they got the kid Jennings... signing the big free agents is never a good idea unless your team is on the back end and is only built for the next 1-2 years... the Packers are the youngest team in the NFL... no need to bring in a big time free agent like that... you could easily spiral back to 7-9 if the chemistry isn't quite right. If you are a team like the Pats with a defense that is almost ready for total rebuilding mode... then you bring in a free agent like that.

Because it's freakin' Randy Moss. He's one of the top receivers there has ever been.

Ever.

That's like saying, "Why sign Peyton Manning? We've got Brady Quinn."

No, dude. Just... No.

[FaT_tONle]

Because it's freakin' Randy Moss. He's one of the top receivers there has ever been.

Ever.

That's like saying, "Why sign Peyton Manning? We've got Brady Quinn."

No, dude. Just... No.

So salary is not an issue to you then? You'd make a great GM buddy...

[Cunning Stunts]

So salary is not an issue to you then? You'd make a great GM buddy...

For one, I'm not trying to be a G.M.

For two, Randy has proven he won't demand a HUGE salary if he can get on a proven team with proven players. The Pack did more than enough to prove that, with Moss in their WR corp, they could make it to the Super Bowl.

[FaT_tONle]

Moss' deal with the Pats... 27 million... 12 million bonus... do the math... thats 13 million per... to get him out of New England you'd have had to push that to 30 15... 15 million per... and you can't really cut him at any point in the three years because the cap hit would be too great... if you are the Pack there is no reason to put your money in that guy when you got an aging secondary and a suspect O-line... they are going to have to address those needs either next year or the year after unless they hit it out of the ball park in this years draft.

[Cunning Stunts]

Moss' deal with the Pats... 27 million... 12 million bonus... do the math... thats 13 million per... to get him out of New England you'd have had to push that to 30 15... 15 million per... and you can't really cut him at any point in the three years because the cap hit would be too great... if you are the Pack there is no reason to put your money in that guy when you got an aging secondary and a suspect O-line... they are going to have to address those needs either next year or the year after unless they hit it out of the ball park in this years draft.

Yeah, he gets this three-year deal now after he had that year with the Pats already, at a lower salary. Regardless, I'm sure any G.M. would shell out decent money to Moss if it meant bringing your team to the Super Bowl. After Moss's performance this past season? Yeah, I think Green Bay would dish out that kind of cash for him.

[FaT_tONle]

Maybe if they knew Farve was coming back for sure... but if Moss' decision affected Farve's decision then the Pack shouldn't have been adhering to Farve's demands... the guy has basically run the team since Holmgren left and Sherman lost that playoff game to the Falcons... if I'm the Pack I am not signing Moss just to keep my franchise QB happy when the guy is has like one year left tops...

[NewYorkSpider]

However Jay Glazer says a huge trade is about to go down.....

Have you heard anymore on this big trade. I've been hearing that it could be DeAngelo Hall.

[Dark Donnie]

Have you heard anymore on this big trade. I've been hearing that it could be DeAngelo Hall.

Same here DeAngelo Hall


Al Davis is nuts
Raiders bring in Javon Walker with megadeal

Raiders agreed to terms with Javon Walker on a six-year, $55 million contract, with $16 million guaranteed, according to NFL Network's Adam Schefter. He'll make $27 million in the first three years.

Al Davis has lost his mind. Even Walker's old coach Mike Shanahan said the receiver eventually needed microfracture surgery on his chronically sore knee. No one else was bidding for Walker, and many teams publicly denounced any interest. Walker gained 57 yards on seven catches in his last five games last year, and barely seemed able to run. Perhaps he'll recover, but Walker isn't worth Randy Moss money even when healthy. Like Moss' deal with Oakland, this one could end ugly. Mar. 4 - 10:34 pm et
Source: NFL.com

[FaT_tONle]

Have you heard anymore on this big trade. I've been hearing that it could be DeAngelo Hall.

Damn they need to be calling February/March Hot Stove football season with the moves that have been made as of late... I could see Jerry Jones swapping his pair to land this guy... who else needs a corner? Pats don't have the chips... throw me some teams?

[Dark Donnie]

Jets, but I think there trying to get picks

[Mister J]

Al Davis is nuts
Randy Moss - 3Y/27M (12M guaranteed); 9M/YR
Javon Walker - 6Y/55M (16M guaranteed); 9.2M/YR

It's not even backloaded. :dry:
OK. Whatever you say, Big Al. :lmao:

[NewYorkSpider]

Damn they need to be calling February/March Hot Stove football season with the moves that have been made as of late... I could see Jerry Jones swapping his pair to land this guy... who else needs a corner? Pats don't have the chips... throw me some teams?

I've heard the Cowboys. Another team I heard was the Bengals for Chad Johnson. I think the Bengals rumor is just the fans trying to stir something up. Marvin Lewis said they weren't trading Ocho Cinco, so I'm sure that's just BS.

[Immortalfire]

Al Davis is nuts

In other news, ice is cold.

[Dark Donnie]

From PFT
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/FavreCruiser.jpg

[Jerry!]

I love it.

[FaT_tONle]

Jets, but I think there trying to get picks

True... but yeah they aren't shopping the pick and they obviously can't be trading down with the Falcons... and they have Revis... I don't think a deal will happen... why would Atlanta deal that guy?

[Dark Donnie]

True... but yeah they aren't shopping the pick and they obviously can't be trading down with the Falcons... and they have Revis... I don't think a deal will happen... why would Atlanta deal that guy?

Hall wants a new deal, upwards of 10 a year. Atlanta seems to be starting fresh, ridding of any distractions.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Dallas Cowboys are reportedly considering making a play for Falcons CB DeAngelo Hall in a trade with the Atlanta Falcons...Hall has been linked to the Cowboys hated division rival the Giants in a possible trade between the two teams involving the Giants first round pick in the 2008 Draft, but the latest reports have the Giants backing away from any such trade...the Cowboys own two first round picks in the upcoming Draft and could trump the Giants offer of a first round pick in return for Hall, if the two got into a bidding war since either one of the Cowboys first round picks are slotted earlier than the Giants pick in the first round...one of the Cowboys biggest needs heading into the offseason was at the Cornerback position and that need became bigger on Sunday when the Texans signed CB Jacques Reeves in free agency...none of the cornerback prospects in the 2008 Draft can compare to Hall in ability and help the Cowboys right away from day one to represent the NFC in next year's Super Bowl...this situation bears watching over the next several weeks.


...

[Immortalfire]

True... but yeah they aren't shopping the pick and they obviously can't be trading down with the Falcons... and they have Revis... I don't think a deal will happen... why would Atlanta deal that guy?

Because he's a self centered jackass. And we're cleaning house, trying to get rid of distractions.

[FaT_tONle]

...

GOOD... hell I'll give both of them... I am tired of fat ass Roy Williams covering in the slot... I can understand anyones frustration being stuck in Atlanta the past few years... if he was a cancer in that teams locker room then who better to take him than the Boys'... just cross our fingers that Glenn comes back and we find skill players later in the draft... its a no brainer if the deal is there... even though it probably means Newman will be out once his contract expires...

[FaT_tONle]

Well just realized that the Cowboys don't even have the cap room to make any deals... bummer... we had too many free agents to resign... I guess we are just better off taking the best players available... I am all for not going crazy for a change... I mean I can't see who they can cut really to free up the cap space they'll need to bring in Hall... maybe trade Ellis, cut Glenn... not much else we can do...

[NewYorkSpider]

Trent Green is meeting with the St. Louis Rams tomorrow.

If Green signs with the team, they had better hope that Bulger doesn't get injured or else the third stringer will be seeing some snaps. :o

[NewYorkSpider]

Well just realized that the Cowboys don't even have the cap room to make any deals... bummer... we had too many free agents to resign... I guess we are just better off taking the best players available... I am all for not going crazy for a change... I mean I can't see who they can cut really to free up the cap space they'll need to bring in Hall... maybe trade Ellis, cut Glenn... not much else we can do...

If that's the case, then maybe this huge trade is something that Jay Glazer made up. I'm not really sure what other big names are on the market. I wonder if this is the Cowboys trading up for the #1 pick? I'll go and do a little research since the TV isn't working. :csad:

[Jerry!]

double post

[Jerry!]

Trent Green just needs to be gone.

[NewYorkSpider]

They all want to be like Brett Favre.

[Jerry!]

Well if that's the case we will probably be seeing Green twitching on the turf again next season. He deserves no sympathy. The guy is an idiot. Yes, take out a 300 lb guy down with a low block with your head and put both your careers and lives at stake. Genius. That lineman should have never received flak for being angry at what Green did.

[NewYorkSpider]

It will be the greatest concussion on turf.

[Jerry!]

If he does end up on a team, they should have a counter of the number of concussions Green can have before he dies on the scoreboard. I say he has about 2 or 3 more to go.

[Jerry!]

Marty Booker signed by Bears... mercy. Better than nothing I guess. Not sure how he has held up over the years though, he was in the black hole in Miami for a while.

[NewYorkSpider]

That's wasn't a bad signing. He's pretty much Muhsin Muhammad without all the drops. Chicago probably needs one more reciever via free agency. Then draft one in the 3rd or 4th round.

[Jerry!]

Yeah he was good when they had him a few years back. Again, I don't know how he's been since then.

[NewYorkSpider]

He's had a couple minor injuries playing for the Dolphins. He sat out like two games in 2006. His numbers weren't as good last season due to the Dolphins squeezing in Ted Ginn Jr. and Derek Hagan into the offense.

[NewYorkSpider]

I just heard Warren Sapp retired. Good timing Sapp :up: You've retired on the same day as a legend and nobody even noticed. :lmao:

[Jerry!]

More good news. Though him being in Oakland was basically retirement as well.

[Cmill216]

I just heard Warren Sapp retired. Good timing Sapp :up: You've retired on the same day as a legend and nobody even noticed. :lmao:

Sapp retired in January. He just finalized the papers today.

Which is ironic, because of the history he had with Brett.

[Nightmare]

So long favre, we hardly knew ya. Ill always remember favre in something about mary.

[FaT_tONle]

If that's the case, then maybe this huge trade is something that Jay Glazer made up. I'm not really sure what other big names are on the market. I wonder if this is the Cowboys trading up for the #1 pick? I'll go and do a little research since the TV isn't working. :csad:

The trade up with Miami is all hogwash... even if McFadden falls the price will still be the same almost... they could make cap room though its possible... obviously they'd cut Anothony Henry, Terry Glenn, they'd probably have to trade Greg Ellis for a 2nd day pick to clear cap room since they have a 2nd year player that can fill in... I an guessing thats 10 million off the cap at least... give up a 1st and a 3rd for Hall... and then you are free to take the wideout and RB with your remaining 1st day picks... I think its feasible but unlikely since Hall would demand too much money.

[Dark Donnie]

Hall wants 10 mil a year

[FaT_tONle]

So what that's too much or too less? Cowboys have only 4 million to work with... they'll need at least 10 million to fill out their 56 man roster... so Jerry realistically would need to clear 12-15 million off the cap... I am not sure what the salaries are for the guys I mentioned above... I just don't think its likely...

[Dark Donnie]

To much im assuming

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah I cruched the numbers.... between those three guys... Glenn is making 4.5, Ellis is making 2.5 and Henry is making 2.5.... plus there would probably be cap hits by simply cutting and moving those guys... too much money for Hall...

[Dark Donnie]

...
Shaun Rogers-DL-Browns Mar. 5 - 11:43 am et

Browns agreed to terms with Shaun Rogers to a six-year, $42 million contract. $20 million is guaranteed and he'll make $23 million in the first three years.

Replacing Tommy Kelly as the highest paid defensive tackle in the league. Acquiring Rogers in a trade was a gamble, and this ups the ante. Rogers may fit better in Cleveland's 3-4 defense than in Detroit, but he struggled with weight and motivation right after his last big contract. There's no doubt Cleveland's line is vastly improved though.
Source: ESPN.com

[Kaleb]

...

1 offseason of splurging != salary cap hell
Signed,
The Redskins

[Dark Donnie]

ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story
that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy
Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the
Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal
is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second
and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also
believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story
should be posted by later this afternoon.

:stark

[Kaleb]

link?

[Dark Donnie]

Nope it was emailed to me

[Kaleb]

nevermind I saw it on yardbarker, so I wouldnt bother with it, since they the same ppl that remorted the holt to eagles trade as well .

[Dark Donnie]

nevermind I saw it on yardbarker, so I wouldnt bother with it, since they the same ppl that remorted the holt to eagles trade as well .

I know the Eagles are targetting Williams and Chad now, but I doubt this is the trade that gets it done.

[Cmill216]

There's no way the Lions trade away Roy Williams and don't get a 1st Rounder in return.

[Dark Donnie]

There's no way the Lions trade away Roy Williams and don't get a 1st Rounder in return.

But with Lito in the deal theres a chance, hes a top 10-12 corner when healthy

[Cmill216]

But with Lito in the deal theres a chance, hes a top 10-12 corner when healthy

Maybe, but losing Roy Williams instantly hurts that offense in a major way. Lito and a 1st, I could see. But still.

That's a bad deal for the Lions......which means they'll pull the trigger on it sometime this week. :up:

[Excel]

They have Calvin Johnson :up:

[Dark Donnie]

...
Darren McFadden-RB-Player Mar. 5 - 3:44 pm et

League insiders tell the NY Daily News that "its looking more and more like" the Jets will take Darren McFadden with the No. 6 overall pick.

He'd of course have to be there, but the smart money is on McFadden not being a top-five pick because of off-field concerns. The Jets are expected to use this draft to upgrade their overall team speed. McFadden would be a start.
Source: New York Daily News
Related: Jets

[Excel]

Told ya Norm...

[Dark Donnie]

Vikings are looking to aquire J.P. Losman

[Kaleb]

Lossman should be a good fit with the Vikings, I think he got a raw deal with the Bills

[Dark Donnie]

He probably won't be running for his life in Minn

[Kaleb]

word

[cyborg ninja 14]

Vikings are looking to aquire J.P. Losman

Trent Edwards fever took over I see:applaud

[Immortalfire]

Falcons said goodbye to Joey Harrington today.

[jaguarr]

Falcons said goodbye to Joey Harrington today.

Still have their subscription to the Quarterback Of The Month Club, I see. :o

jag

[FaT_tONle]

...

Why the hell would the Raiders be content with Lamont Jordan and Fargas?

[Dark Donnie]

Justin Fargas had a real good year last year

They need serious help on Oline and Dline help

[FaT_tONle]

Well if he's sitting there at number six (McFadden)... I think Jerry Jones would be real hard pressed not to make that move if he still has both picks on draft day which I don't think he will... gonna be an interesting draft.

[Alex The Great]

yeah. Moss is back :yay:

I like Gaffney. Nice to have him back to. :up:

[FaT_tONle]

Stallworth was cut right?

[Cmill216]

Went to Cleveland.

[LegendaryCaleb]

Well if he's sitting there at number six (McFadden)... I think Jerry Jones would be real hard pressed not to make that move if he still has both picks on draft day which I don't think he will... gonna be an interesting draft.
ireally hope so...i love all the trades and suprises in the drafts...keeps me entertained as i sit on the edge of my seat watching...

[Poeman]

good stuff about the jets

but we need to trade chad pennington and D-rob..!

[Alex The Great]

i wish brett farve a happy retirment :up:

[Alex The Great]

john madden is crying on all twenty of his chins :csad::up:



suicide WATCH!

[cyborg ninja 14]

Madden will only slit one wrist. Remember, he still has Hines Ward to love for all eternity until he retires and/or Madden dies.

[Alex The Great]

:ninja:

[NewYorkSpider]

Warrick Dunn is rumored to be going to Dallas or Houston.

Jevon Kearse meeting with Vikings, Titans.

There Philadelphia Inquirer reported defensive end Jevon Kearse, released by the Philadelphia Eagles last week, will visit Tennessee and then Minnesota.

Tennessee is where Kearse played the first 5 years of his career. Minnesota is coached by former Eagles offensive coordinator Brad Childress. The Vikings have been thwarted so far in efforts to sign a pass rusher.



Also just heard that the Ravens and Cardinals may be dealing with each other. It will be the Ravens first round pick and Terrel Suggs for Larry Fitzgerald and the Cardinals 2nd round pick.

[Dark Donnie]

...
Shaun Alexander-RB-Seahawks Mar. 5 - 7:18 pm et

NFL Network's Adam Schefter says he "doesn't like the chances" of Shaun Alexander being a Seahawk in 2008.

Schefter says Seattle has interest in free agent Julius Jones, even after signing T.J. Duckett to a five-year deal worth $13-$17 million. The Seahawks will likely see how the draft goes, then re-assess Alexander's situation.
Related: Julius Jones

[Dark Donnie]

Warrick Dunn is rumored to be going to Dallas or Houston.

Jevon Kearse meeting with Vikings, Titans.



Also just heard that the Ravens and Cardinals may be dealing with each other. It will be the Ravens first round pick and Terrel Suggs for Larry Fitzgerald and the Cardinals 2nd round pick.

I don't think Baltimore could fit him under the cap.

[Alex The Great]

...
Bill Parcells is opening up his wallet as we speak :o

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't think Baltimore could fit him under the cap.

From what I've been hearing, the Cardinals are trying to get Fitzgerald to restructure his contract so they can sign more free agents, but the talks are leading no where. So I'm guessing if they can't get a contract figured out, they're going to trade him.

But, they're two reasons why this might not be true. One, the Cardinals have said they aren't going to trade Fitzgerald. Two, Terrel Suggs has said that he will be named the Ravens franchise player.

[Dark Donnie]

Suggs was named the Franchise Player I believe.

Fitz's contract from what I read, even restructured must include that $31 mil guaranteed, he'll want other guaranteed money on top of that.

If anyone gets him I still think it will be The Eagles.

Saw this on another board:
Despite negotiations for a new contract that would add badly needed salary-cap relief dragging on with no end in sight, team insiders tell us star WR Larry Fitzgerald continues to wholeheartedly pledge his allegiance to the Cardinals. But the way we hear it, if there isn’t any substantial progress toward a new deal in the next week or so, the Cardinals might have no choice but to consider trading Fitzgerald, whose name has been linked recently with at least one team — Philadelphia — in a possible deal that would reportedly send Eagles CB Lito Sheppard and a second-round pick to the desert. “But there’s no way the Cardinals will go for that deal,” one team insider told PFW. “I would think they would demand a considerable haul in draft choices (rather than) just Lito Sheppard and a No. 2. If Fitzgerald is going anywhere, the Cardinals will ask for the moon.” We hear the biggest hang-up in contract talks at present with Fitzgerald’s agent, Eugene Parker, is the amount of guaranteed money his client would receive. Not helping matters for the Cardinals are the hefty contracts that have been doled out to receivers early in this year’s free-agent market. Not only has Parker taken particular note of the latest WR parameters. Team insiders believe Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin and his agent are just as interested in those numbers, with Boldin expected to deservedly push hard for a new deal in line with whatever Fitzgerald ends up receiving.

[NewYorkSpider]

edit^^ I just posted that. lol

[FaT_tONle]

Suggs and a 1st round pick for Fitzgerald??? I mean cmon this guy is not Rice... a veteran player and a late 1st rounder is more than enough... but a player like Suggs and a high pick is way too much...

[NewYorkSpider]

Suggs and a 1st round pick for Fitzgerald??? I mean cmon this guy is not Rice... a veteran player and a late 1st rounder is more than enough... but a player like Suggs and a high pick is way too much...

My friend said he heard it on NFL Sirus Satelite Radio. He's a Bills fan so I trust him.

[Immortalfire]

john madden is crying on all twenty of his chins :csad::up:



suicide WATCH!

That was so yesterday. Get hip, Psycho.

[Alex The Great]

hip?

the 70's are over :csad::heart:

[BlackLantern]

I could be a totally classless Giants fan and be all like "The Giants broke Favres' spirit, thats' how we do....we drive peeps out of the game dawg!!!" but I won't do that

[Cmill216]

You have to admit. It's pretty darn sad that his last play was an interception that cost his team a trip to the Super Bowl.

[BlackLantern]

I think he will sit out this year and maybe announce sometime during the season that he will be back the following season.

[Showtime]

I think that is a complete waste.

If he takes a season off and comes back it seems like a stupid move.

He is going to be a year older, and a year out of football.

[Alex The Great]

You have to admit. It's pretty darn sad that his last play was an interception that cost his team a trip to the Super Bowl.
i know! come on man. ONE more go :csad:

[BlackLantern]

thats just my guess...I wonder if he'll vanish for the year and hang out with the family or do some TV

[NewYorkSpider]

Bill Cower to coach the Lions? I mean Nittany Lions in Penn State.

Penn State Courting Cowher...Former Steelers Coach Bill Cowher reportedly paid a visit to the Penn State campus last month and was an overnight guest of PSU Athletic Director Tim Curly....this lead to speculation that Cowher is being considered for the Nittany Lions head coaching job since Joe Paterno has only one year left on his contract...Laschout.com was the first to report this news including the possibility that Cowher has already put his house in North Carolina up for sale...if you look closely at the pictures included in the listing of the house, you can see a replice of the Lombardi trophy on a mantle and a Steelers helmet in another picture.





Rumors...Rumors that are floating around the league... Falcons owner Arthur Blank is said to covet Boston College QB Matt Ryan...the Dolphins will pass on Matt Ryan with the first pick in the Draft...Dolphins V.P. Bill Parcells is said to be interested in taking fellow New Jersey native Joe Flacco with one of the teams picks in the Draft...the Broncos are considering making a move up in the Draft to select either USC DT Sedric Ellis or LSU DT Glenn Dorsey...

Bills QB J.P. Losman's name has been linked in trades to Minnesota, Detroit, Atlanta and Green Bay.

[BlackLantern]

i know! come on man. ONE more go :csad:

you wish Psycho....maybe those girls up in Foxboro could have taken the Pack, but alas it was not be.

[NewYorkSpider]

I think he will sit out this year and maybe announce sometime during the season that he will be back the following season.

I think he's done. Unless he comes back to another team. The Packers aren't going to go one full season with Rodgers and then switch back to Favre, It wouldn't make much sense.

[BlackLantern]

I fully expect for the Falcons to draft a QB....Joe Pa is going to leave Penn State when he damn well pleases. I don't see Cowher taking a coaching job nfl or otherwise anytime soon.

[Alex The Great]

you wish Psycho....maybe those girls up in Foxboro could have taken the Pack, but alas it was not be.
:cmad::csad:

[Erzengel]

Favre said he couldn't settle for anything less than a Superbowl Win. So asking him to go one more time with so many variables is just asking too much.

He got a Superbowl ring, and many records. He's going to be a HOFer. What more can he ask for?

[Showtime]

I agree. He has nothing left to prove.

[BlackLantern]

I am still amazed by the MNF game after his dad passed.....I seriously thought he would not play....

[Poeman]

Jets sign Tony Richardson


We are gonna be beast next year with the run

[Dark Donnie]

DeAngelo Hall-DB-Falcons Mar. 6 - 2:08 pm et

The Redskins contacted the Falcons a few times about DeAngelo Hall during the combine, but the talks did not progress.

Hall's attitude and money requests could be scaring some teams off. Expect to hear more trade talk surrounding Hall as we get closer to the draft.
Source: Washington Post
Related: Redskins

[Dark Donnie]

...

"ALL GOOD THINGS MUST COME TO AN END”
Posted by Mike Florio on March 6, 2008, 1:44 p.m.
In one of those rare moments during which a palpable sense of unfolding history flows through every tick of the clock, Packers quarterback Brett Favre formally announced his retirement on Thursday in a press conference in Green Bay.

It was memorable, it was emotional, and above all else it was clear that it is final.

“It’s over,” Favre said as he fought at times successfully and at times in vain against the tears. “As hard as that is for me to say, it’s over.”

He spoke from the heart, without notes. Unshaven and dressed casually, wearing a slightly rumpled, partially buttoned shirt with a collar over a white cotton “T”, Favre was honest, riveting, and real.

“I thought about wearing a suit. I thought about shaving,” he said. “What you see if what you get.”

And as to his football career, what we’ve already seen is all we’re ever going to get.

“I don’t think I’ve got anything left to give,” Favre said. “I know I can play but I don’t think I want to.”

As to questions regarding why he’d leave after throwing a conference-title-deciding interception with his last official on-field action, Favre said more than once, with a hint of defiance in his voice, “I’m going out on top.”

He said later in the session, “We could have gone 3-13 this year, [but] I’m going out on top.”

Still, he acknowledged that there will be regrets. “I will wonder if I made the wrong decision. On Sundays, I’ll say I could be doing that and should be doing that.”

He thanked many former coaches by name, and he expressed awe over the fact that he will be mentioned in the same breath as other Packers greats. “There’s no better place to play,” he said.

But in the end he decided that he wasn’t enjoying the game as much as he used to. He said he spent more time in 2007 watching film, and he said he wasn’t relaxed.

Most importantly, he said that nothing that anyone from the Packers could say or do would get him to change his mind.

And so it’s over. He won’t be back. The door is shut and he is moving on.

“Its been 275 games,” he said. “At some point, it’s gotta end.”

[Dark Donnie]

Eagles Cut Takeo Spikes

Titans and Jevon Kearse together again

Titans agreed to terms with DE Jevon Kearse.

Terms aren't disclosed. Assuming he came at a discount price, Kearse is a decent risk as a rotational end. He'll benefit from Albert Haynesworth and Kyle Vanden Bosch and could have a comeback season if he can put on some weight. Mar. 6 - 3:30 pm et
Source: Nashville Tennessean

[KALEL114]

I am still amazed by the MNF game after his dad passed.....I seriously thought he would not play....
By far my favorite Monday Night performance by any player.

[The Game]

You have to admit. It's pretty darn sad that his last play was an interception that cost his team a trip to the Super Bowl.

Thats the only way his story should end, it just seems to fit

[Jerry!]

I loved every second of it.

[Kelly]

Classy Player
Classy Man
Classy Good-Bye...

[Dark Donnie]

...
Saints agreed to terms with LB Dan Morgan on a one-year contract.

Morgan is reportedly expected to start at weak-side linebacker, but we'll see if he can beat out Scott Shanle first. He's still recovering from Achilles surgery and will have to avoid concussions when contact workouts begin. On paper at least, the Saints' linebacker crew now looks pretty good.

[Dark Donnie]

...
Pacman Jones-DB-Titans Mar. 6 - 6:37 pm et

Appearing on WCNN-AM in Atlanta Thursday, suspended CB Pacman Jones said he's changed his off-field ways and is ready to rejoin the NFL.

Jones said he's still interested in playing for the Cowboys. The NFL won't decide whether Jones will be reinstated until late July. We doubt he will be.
Related: Cowboys

[Immortalfire]

GR87 will be happy.

[FaT_tONle]

**** NO.... DON'T TAKE PACMAN JONES JERRY!!!!.... unless he takes the pay cut :woot: !!!

[Alex The Great]

Hey guys. let's all hold hands and be thankfull that Surfdia, Memphis Slim and THE pimp don't hang around here no more :o:up:

[BlackLantern]

I've seen Slim around.....have they chosen to hang somewhere else or what?

[Alex The Great]

Slim is still scarred from the playoffs. that poor soul :csad:

[Erzengel]

Or maybe most people don't care as much about the offseason? Even with the stellar trades and next month's draft?

You will see people around August.

[Alex The Great]

THE PIMP was around year around last time.......so far he's not come. will he prove us wrong?

[NewYorkSpider]

GR has been lurking at Hooters. I'm sure there have been reports of a guy who looks like Leonardo Dicaprio peeking out from behind a bush.

[Alex The Great]

:ninja:


i thought he died of rectal trauma :csad:

[Excel]

oh my god....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XhUhLtAC_Ok

ive found my breakout pick for next year, sorry jstew. Look at the vision and look at that burst! Holy ****...whoever gets this kid is blessed

[NewYorkSpider]

He's got a lot of speed and talent. I've heard he may go to Dallas in the first round.

[Alex The Great]

FAST!!!! :eek:



anywho. here's ma sleeper picks as of now

49ers: there slowly getting there. make some snags and they might have a chance
Browns: so close in 07. oh so close. 08 will be betta with DA in full time.
Jags: sexy cap room, decent team. nuff said.

[NewYorkSpider]

NewYorkSpider's Sleeper Teams

NFC - Minnesota Vikings
AFC - Cleveland Browns

[Excel]

He's got a lot of speed and talent. I've heard he may go to Dallas in the first round.

i dont see it, hell do in the late 2nd. mcfadden, stewart, mendenhall, jones, rice n xharles will all go before him

[Alex The Great]

AP is :up:
DA aswell.




but we all will bee proven wrong and the Titans will go 19-0 :csad:

[BlackLantern]

I try to save my prognostication until teams actually start playing football

[Alex The Great]

let us have our fun :cmad: :csad: :yay:



The new COach of the Patriots has been announced!!!

http://www.eyeofhorus.org.uk/images/photo/10tennant/series-02/09-satan/the-satan-pit-doctor-beast3.jpg

[chuckymack]

oh my god....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XhUhLtAC_Ok

ive found my breakout pick for next year, sorry jstew. Look at the vision and look at that burst! Holy ****...whoever gets this kid is blessed
__________________

Hey, he's already got McFadden beat. Johnson doesn't hit the turf when someone grazes his legs.
That said, he's going to lead the league in fumbles if he doesn't learn how to put the ball in his left hand when running to that side. If I coached against him, I'd be running 'Swat The Rightie' drills all week.

[Excel]

Thats true but it is a lot more fixable than dmc's prob. This kid will be much more dangerous on screens and special teams than he is running it, atleast initially I think. That explosive is vintage moss, nobody else compares. He moves like noel devine with bigger strides.

[NewYorkSpider]

i dont see it, hell do in the late 2nd. mcfadden, stewart, mendenhall, jones, rice n xharles will all go before him

He should be ranked higher. If he goes in the second round he'll be a steal.

[StorminNorman]

Hey, he's already got McFadden beat. Johnson doesn't hit the turf when someone grazes his legs.
That said, he's going to lead the league in fumbles if he doesn't learn how to put the ball in his left hand when running to that side. If I coached against him, I'd be running 'Swat The Rightie' drills all week.

You are not very bright, are you?

[Dark Donnie]

...

Larry Fitzgerald-WR-Cardinals Mar. 7 - 10:08 am et

Larry Fitzgerald and his agent are looking for a four-year deal worth between $25 and $30 million in guaranteed money to restructure his contract.

The Cardinals are looking for a six-year deal for the same amount. Fitz and his agent are angling for the 24-year-old to be eligible for one more giant contract before the age of thirty. He says he wants to win, but his refusal to restructure has cost the Cardinals the ability to make any significant upgrades.
Source: Arizona Republic

[Mister J]

25-30M in guaranteed money alone? Just 4 years? :dry:

**** you, Larry. Just say you want out.

[Dark Donnie]

25-30M in guaranteed money alone? Just 4 years? :dry:

**** you, Larry. Just say you want out.

He is set with $31 over the next two if he doesn't restructure, hes helping them out. I hope he doesn't though, so many times teams just cut ties with players so they don't have to pay them, now a player earned his incentives and there trying ot screw him :down: Turn the tables Larry

[BlackLantern]

as far as McFaddden goes, he is going from playing against guys who have played defense at Div 1 for only 4 years to playing guys who have made a career out of knocking people like mcfadden on their a$$....i think he'll be a good back, but hardly the second coming, especially if he goes to a crap team with no O Line

[Excel]

He should be ranked higher. If he goes in the second round he'll be a steal.

Word :up:

[Mister J]

He is set with $31 over the next two if he doesn't restructure, hes helping them out. I hope he doesn't though, so many times teams just cut ties with players so they don't have to pay them, now a player earned his incentives and there trying ot screw him :down: Turn the tables Larry
OK. After digging around, I see what you're referring to. This isn't on Fitz being greedy at all. The Cardinals are ****ing stupid. Who loads up an incentive-laden deal like that and doesn't adjust for the possibility of its fruition?

16.5M in base salary alone this year. Base salary. For a WR. :dry:
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Arizona Cardinals.

[Dark Donnie]

OK. After digging around, I see what you're referring to. This isn't on Fitz being greedy at all. The Cardinals are ****ing stupid. Who loads up an incentive-laden deal like that and doesn't adjust for the possibility of its fruition?

16.5M in base salary alone this year. Base salary. For a WR. :dry:
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Arizona Cardinals.

They are easily one of the worst run franchises in sports.

In regards to Fitz, restructuring for the sake of the team is one thing, but to leave the money on the table that he would be is insane.

[BlackLantern]

Arizona and New Orleans will always be losers....

[Kaleb]

Arizona perhaps, but New Orleans has improved alot.

[BlackLantern]

but NO will always come up short....they might make the playoffs here and there but they wont win the NFC or get to the SB

[Kaleb]

You could have said exactly the same thing about the colts a few yrs back.

[BlackLantern]

I never felt that way about the Colts...I remember the days of Johnny U and following Peyton through college I knew they would get there one day...there is tradition there.....Arizona and NO don't have that

[Jerry!]

I don't buy into the tradition thing. The Bears have some of the most tradition in the NFL, and it's amounted to jack ****.

[Erzengel]

I wouldn't call the Superbowl Shuffle as jack ****.

[Jerry!]

I call 2 championships in the last 40 years amounting to jack ****. They had some of the greatest players of all time in that time span and in that 40 something years they have 2 titles to show for it.

[Erzengel]

Could always be worse.

Bills and Vikings have been to the Superbowl 4 times and have lost.

And 2 Championships? You mean Superbowl and NFC?

[Dark Donnie]

I call 2 championships in the last 40 years amounting to jack ****. They had some of the greatest players of all time in that time span and in that 40 something years they have 2 titles to show for it.

Come to Philly no championships in any sport in the almost 30 years, and were one of the biggest markets.

[Erzengel]

You had the movie Invincible?

[Dark Donnie]

You had the movie Invincible?

We also had Rocky 5:csad:

[Dark Donnie]

For those teams looking at Matt Ryan:

Joe Flacco-QB-Player Mar. 7 - 12:32 pm et

An AFC Scout told the Philadelphia Daily News that he believes Joe Flacco's stock has risen into the first round this offseason.

"He threw the ball great," said the scout of Flacco's Pro Day workout. "He's done everything right in the offseason. Everything. Right now, there's a lot of teams that have him rated ahead of (Boston College QB Matt) Ryan."
Source: Philadelphia Daily News
Related: Ravens, Bears, Dolphins

[Kaleb]

For those teams looking at Matt Ryan:

I'll believe it when I see it. Sounds like smoke-screen to me; there aren't many QB-needy teams in the bottom half of the first round, and I can't imagine him going in the top-15. If a top team trades down, I could see him going at the end of the 1st, but I bet Ryan still goes before him.

[Excel]

Haha, nope. Flacco will go first round thuogh, possibly to baltimore.

[Kaleb]

No ways baltimore takes him with the 8th overall pick

[Dark Donnie]

From PFT:

PANTHERS SHOPPING PEPPERS?
Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2008, 2:36 p.m.
We’ve received several e-mails over the past couple of days regarding rumors that the Carolina Panthers are poised to trade defensive end Julius Peppers.

And so we’ve actually engaged in a little “real” journalism — and in some of our good, old-fashioned rumor mongering.

There are rumors in league circles that the Panthers are quietly shopping Peppers. He has a big cap number in 2007, and there’s a school of thought that the Panthers aren’t willing to pay him what it would take to keep him over the long haul, especially since the price tag could go up if/when the Ravens sign Terrell Suggs to a long-term deal.

But it takes two to do the trade tango, and we’ve yet to confirm that any of the other 31 teams have been approached about acquiring the No. 2 overall pick in the 2002 draft.

Peppers had only 2.5 sacks last season, down from 13.0 the year before. He had been expected to be in line for a Dwight Freeney-style deal with $30 million guaranteed and a $12 million per year average.

Agent Carl Carey tells PFT that he and Peppers have heard the rumors, but that they have no merit.

“We fully expect that Julius Peppers will be a Carolina Panther this football season,” Carey said.

At this point, there’s no concrete reason to believe otherwise. But unless and until Peppers signs a new contract with the Panthers, the trade whispers will continue.

[Dark Donnie]

...

Chad Johnson-WR-Bengals Mar. 7 - 3:31 pm et

Ex-Bengal and current Brown Shaun Smith confirmed to the Cleveland media that Chad Johnson took a swing at head coach Marvin Lewis and WRs coach Hue Jackson at halftime of the Bengals' 2006 Wild Card game.

"He swung on Marvin," Smith revealed. "(Johnson) shattered the training room glass. He swung on Marvin (and) hit Marvin in the eye. Then he tried to swing on wide receivers coach Hue Jackson." Smith's press conference was previously available on YouTube, but the video has since been removed.
Source: Cincinnati Enquirer

[Showtime]

Wow. He is grooming himself to be a Patriot.

[Immortalfire]

Keep it up Chad, and soon you'll be where REAL Bengal players are.



Jail.

[Excel]

Wow what a little *****....props for Lewis for controling himself and his team....im sur ethere were some guys in that locker room who wante dto **** his ass up after that

[Excel]

No ways baltimore takes him with the 8th overall pick

probably not, im just saying thats the highest he could go and ryan will be gone before than.

[Dark Donnie]

Brandon Lloyd-WR-Bears Mar. 7 - 4:28 pm et

Bears signed Brandon Lloyd to a one-year contract.

Once a promising receiver in San Francisco, Lloyd was a huge bust with a bad attitude after the Redskins made him rich. Perhaps he'll be hungrier now and Chicago risks little by giving him a "prove-it" contract. Lloyd could wind up anywhere from the starting lineup to off the roster, although the latter is more likely.

[Kaleb]

He is a bum,he will be listed 5th on the depth chart behind Booker,Bradley ,Hester and Davis.

[Kaiser]

Wow what a little *****....props for Lewis for controling himself and his team....im sur ethere were some guys in that locker room who wante dto **** his ass up after that


This is where Lewis lost his team. He still hasn't regained control.

[Dark Donnie]

Plaxico Burress-WR-Giants Mar. 7 - 5:14 pm et

A person close to Plaxico Burress said Plax was "jacked up" after hearing Javon Walker got a six-year, $55 million deal from the Raiders.

So should be most wide receivers that caught more than 26 passes last year and don't need microfracture surgery. Burress will likely ask the Giants to add a nice sum of money to his contract at some point this offseason.
Source: Newark Star-Ledger

[Kaleb]

http://akumuraider.com/images/lloyd_ducks.gif
Lloyd is going to be sooo helpful for the Bears

[Kaleb]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that the Seahawks agreed to terms with Julius Jones.


bye bye SA!

[Dark Donnie]

Beat me to it Kaleb:cmad:

Seahawks sign Julius Jones; Alexander gone?

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that the Seahawks agreed to terms with Julius Jones. Terms aren't disclosed.

This should end the Shaun Alexander era shortly. It's a dream scenario for Jones, who gets a surprise chance to start again on a productive offense. Seattle could add a rookie, but Jones should play ahead of T.J. Duckett and Maurice Morris. Jones regressed in Dallas, but he's an upgrade from Alexander and could mature late like his brother. Like any starter in Seattle, he'll get consideration as a RB2. Mar. 7 - 8:28 pm et

[Kaleb]

Beat me to it Kaleb:cmad:

lol I was expecting you to say that :D

[NewYorkSpider]

Panthers won't get rid of Peppers. At least I don't think they would.

edit: the only thing I see them doing is trading Peppers and the 13th draft pick to one of the top 5 teams for their draft pick. But I honestly don't think that happens.

[Jerry!]

Come to Philly no championships in any sport in the almost 30 years, and were one of the biggest markets.

Well that's my point. Lots of tradition doesn't necessarily equal lots of championships.

[chuckymack]

You are not very bright, are you?

Evidently not. I don't understand how pointing out that a ballcarrier almost always holds the ball with the same hand is grounds for ridicule. Explain.

[chesslover]

He should be ranked higher. If he goes in the second round he'll be a steal.

Ted Thompson (Green Bay GM) likes taking chances. He'll be a Packer

[Kaleb]

I just traded my first overall pick for two 1st round picks ( 4th,5th overall)

[FaT_tONle]

http://akumuraider.com/images/lloyd_ducks.gif
Lloyd is going to be sooo helpful for the Bears

****ing hilarious.... :funny: