2008 NFL Thread

[StorminNorman]

The Patriots failed to do the impossible.

Your New York Giants are the World Champions.

Miami did not go winless and now has the Tuna - can he save them?

Is this Brady Quinn's year?

Who will end up with Ocho Cinco? What will his celebration be when he meets Marvin Lewis again?

Is McFadden the next Adrien Peterson. Or is the next LT?
...or will he bust like Reggie Bush.

Is Colt Brennan NFL material? Could he be Tampa's future?

Will Ray Guy once again get shafted 12 months from now?

Is Spygate over with?

Can Atlanta rebound?

Will Travis Henry pop out another kid?

All of these and more make up the storylines going into the NFL Offseason and Beyond.

The confetti may not yet be off the turf in Glendale, but the path to Tampa has already begun.

Are You Ready?

[Super_Ludacris]

Way too early but ok...

I guess it will be intresting to see how Dallas, New England and Indianapolis recover from their flameouts.

[StorminNorman]

If the 2007 Thread was not locked - I would not of made this thread.

There needed to be a place to talk about NFL Football - and I think it would be cruel to ask members like Showtime to keep posting in a thread where they have horrible, horrible memories.

[Super_Ludacris]

You wanna talk Football, help fill up Tom Brady and Bill Belichick's i-pods....


http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=295174

[Showtime]

If the 2007 Thread was not locked - I would not of made this thread.

There needed to be a place to talk about NFL Football - and I think it would be cruel to ask members like Showtime to keep posting in a thread where they have horrible, horrible memories.

Tough to have memories that are that even remotely bad when the team you cheer for has made 4 out of the last 7 Super Bowls and won 3 of them as well as making 5 out of the last 7 AFC Championship games and winning 4 of them. Nevermind going 16-0 in the regular season, although now I think that doesn't mean anything because they lost the Super Bowl.

:angry:

[Matt]

Oh, it doesn't. :csad:

[Mister J]

Getting my morning fix of SportsCenter, one thing that I truly hope changes before next season is that Emmitt Smith gets fired from ESPN. Great Caesar, he's awful.

[StorminNorman]

Trev Alberts has free time...

[Immortalfire]

The National Football League 2008

Wow, aren't we getting fancy with titles.

[StorminNorman]

Wow, aren't we getting fancy with titles.


Its a little something I like to call Style

http://engbulldogs.com/Bulldog%20tuxedo%20costume.jpg

[Erzengel]

I don't know Fire, closing the Superbowl thread less than 24 hours for like the 5 of us who are Giant fans to bask in their win?

[Erzengel]

If the 2007 Thread was not locked - I would not of made this thread.

There needed to be a place to talk about NFL Football - and I think it would be cruel to ask members like Showtime to keep posting in a thread where they have horrible, horrible memories.

Teams lose.

I root for the New York Knicks.

I have to hear the ridicule of being a Yankee fan.

I think Showtime is a good enough sport to not let it bother him.

[StorminNorman]

Teams lose.

I root for the New York Knicks.

I have to hear the ridicule of being a Yankee fan.

I think Showtime is a good enough sport to not let it bother him.

Sure.

But there is a lot of non Super Bowl related talk to do. I could of personally cared less how long the Super Bowl thread stayed open.

The lack of a general NFL Thread though required me to make this thread earlier than I would of normally (I think I didn't make the 2007 thread until like March).

[Immortalfire]

I don't know Fire, closing the Superbowl thread less than 24 hours for like the 5 of us who are Giant fans to bask in their win?

Bask in here. I had to let the clean up crew in, and get BlackLantern's drunk butt out of there.

[Super_Ludacris]

But these type of losses burn slow....

[Dark Donnie]

Anywho, I bet Spagnuolo will take The Redskins job, Snider is probably going to through the bank at him

also....

Report: Burress played with sprained MCL

In addition to his sprained/dislocated ankle, Plaxico Burress played in Super Bowl XLII with a sprained MCL, according to the New York Post.

Burress reportedly suffered the knee injury when he slipped in the hotel shower on Monday. "Until this morning, I honestly didn't think I would be able to go, and it broke my heart," Plax said Sunday night. Burress seemed to have trouble coming out of his cuts, but came up with the game-winning touchdown. It's unclear if he'll need surgery on the ankle this offseason. Feb. 4 - 9:21 am et

[Erzengel]

Yeah I just heard a Patriots fan crying on a newscast. I had to find it and bring it in here.

[Immortalfire]

Hey Erz, make sure you're a true fan and all this year proclaim how YOUR NY Giants are the super bowl universe champions of the world.

[Dark Donnie]

The Patriots failed to do the impossible.

Your New York Giants are the World Champions.

Miami did not go winless and now has the Tuna - can he save them?

Is this Brady Quinn's year?

Who will end up with Ocho Cinco? What will his celebration be when he meets Marvin Lewis again?

Is McFadden the next Adrien Peterson. Or is the next LT?
...or will he bust like Reggie Bush.

Is Colt Brennan NFL material? Could he be Tampa's future?

Will Ray Guy once again get shafted 12 months from now?

Is Spygate over with?

Can Atlanta rebound?

Will Travis Henry pop out another kid?

All of these and more make up the storylines going into the NFL Offseason and Beyond.

The confetti may not yet be off the turf in Glendale, but the path to Tampa has already begun.

Are You Ready?


Is the sky blue?

[Erzengel]

Hey Erz, make sure you're a true fan and all this year proclaim how YOUR NY Giants are the super bowl universe champions of the world.

It's funny I've quoted it twice already but the day after the last Superbowl I was c'mon Giants get to the 2nd round this year. :o

I'll make sure I'll also bring that up during topics of sex, racism and the new Iron Man movie.

[StorminNorman]

I would like to mention that Tom Coughlin is more awesome than everyone in here.

[Erzengel]

I remember when they first brought him on and a lot of the Giants didn't like him because he wasn't everyone's friend like Fassel was and actually made them work.

[Immortalfire]

I would like to mention that Tom Coughlin is more awesome than everyone in here.

I saw him this past week during a conference, decked out in a suit, glasses, styled hair...he looked like a whole other person.

[Dark Donnie]

Those NYers wanted him gone after week 2

[Erzengel]

Fans only recognize victory. And forgive just as easily if you bring a win home.

[Erzengel]

I find this funny about the Pro Bowl.

The Championship team only has one submission.

* 13 selections: Dallas Cowboys
* 8 selections: New England Patriots, San Diego Chargers
* 7 selections: Minnesota Vikings
* 6 selections: Indianapolis Colts, Seattle Seahawks
* 5 selections: Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers
* 4 selections: Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears, Cleveland Browns, Washington Redskins
* 3 selections: Philadelphia Eagles, Tennessee Titans
* 2 selections: Arizona Cardinals, Buffalo Bills, Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Francisco 49ers
* 1 selection: Cincinnati Bengals, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Miami Dolphins, New York Giants, Oakland Raiders, St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
* No selections: Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, Detroit Lions, New Orleans Saints, New York Jets

[Dark Donnie]

I find this funny about the Pro Bowl.

The Championship team only has one submission.

* 13 selections: Dallas Cowboys
* 8 selections: New England Patriots, San Diego Chargers
* 7 selections: Minnesota Vikings
* 6 selections: Indianapolis Colts, Seattle Seahawks
* 5 selections: Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers
* 4 selections: Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears, Cleveland Browns, Washington Redskins
* 3 selections: Philadelphia Eagles, Tennessee Titans
* 2 selections: Arizona Cardinals, Buffalo Bills, Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Francisco 49ers
* 1 selection: Cincinnati Bengals, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Miami Dolphins, New York Giants, Oakland Raiders, St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
* No selections: Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, Detroit Lions, New Orleans Saints, New York Jets
Eli had a horrible year for the most part. Plax was good, aside from him, who else? Shockey missed time, as did Jacobs. There D Line is good, but I bet no one had outstanding #'s

[Erzengel]

Eli had a horrible year for the most part. Plax was good, aside from him, who else? Shockey missed time, as did Jacobs. There D Line is good, but I bet no one had outstanding #'s
Oh I wasn't stating how they should take the place of anyone on there just stating the irony of it.

[Dark Donnie]

Oh I wasn't stating how they should take the place of anyone on there just stating the irony of it.

Oh I understand, it is a bit odd. Giants peaked at the end, at the right time.

[Excel]

patriots: 16-0 Super Bowl Champs

[BlackLantern]

its still unreal i cant believe they did it.....

[Dark Donnie]

patriots: 16-0 Super Bowl Champs

:indy:

What happened to your boy Maroney?

[Mister J]

patriots: 18-1 Super Bowl Runner-Up
Fixed ...and please stop.

[Excel]

Pats: 16-0

Brady: 4250 yards, 38 touchdowns
Maroney: 1325 yards on 265 carries, 5.0 ypc, 14 touchdowns
Moss: 1200 yards, 15 touchdowns
Welker: 880 yads, 7 touchdowns
Chad Jackson: 950 yards, 6 touchdowns

[Excel]

Thats my prediction for next season...

:indy:

What happened to your boy Maroney?

Perhaps you missed his ast 5 games, but as for last night...

Did you watch the game? Dont even try to blame him for ourpoor running games; he was getting swamred before he met the line of scrimage.

[Dark Donnie]

Thats my prediction for next season...



Perhaps you missed his ast 5 games, but as for last night...

Did you watch the game? Dont even try to blame him for ourpoor running games; he was getting swamred before he met the line of scrimage.

relax, The Pats line is to blame if anyone. Brady was on his back the whole game.


Pats: 16-0

Brady: 4250 yards, 38 touchdowns
Maroney: 1325 yards on 265 carries, 5.0 ypc, 14 touchdowns
Moss: 1200 yards, 15 touchdowns
Welker: 880 yads, 7 touchdowns
Chad Jackson: 950 yards, 6 touchdowns

Moss will probably be gone, I can see them missing the playoffs next year :dry: Watch out for Miami

[jaguarr]

Getting my morning fix of SportsCenter, one thing that I truly hope changes before next season is that Emmitt Smith gets fired from ESPN. Great Caesar, he's awful.

Remove Thannon Tharpe from Thee-Bee-Eth at the thame time, pleathe. :up:

jag

[Johnny Blaze]

Who will end up with Ocho Cinco? What will his celebration be when he meets Marvin Lewis again?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tampa Bay make a run for him. Bruce Allen has stated several times that the Bucs will go after a big-time playmaker at WR, and CJ definitely fits that bill. All depends on what Cinci will be asking for him though.
If it's a first rounder then they're never going to trade him away to anybody. Have to see how low they're willing to go.

Is Colt Brennan NFL material? Could he be Tampa's future?
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Tampa Bay, dammit. Not Tampa. :cmad:

And I hope not. I'd rather see the Bucs draft Eric Ainge in the third or something and work on him. He seems to be a smarter (for lack of a better word) QB than Brennan. Better at reading coverages and making adjustments and such.
Course whether he'll be as good at doing those things at the next level remains to be seen. But I personally prefer him over Colt or even Woodson.

[LastSunrise1981]

I think the pressure of going undefeated got to New England. I believe I can safely say that if they lost one or two games in the regular season, most likely they would've won the Super Bowl without the pressure of making history on their minds.

But either way what's done is done and the Giants are the Super Bowl champions. Congrats to them and their fanbase, let's see if they can do it again next year. :yay:

As for my prediction? Of course I'm going with my Pats to go all the way again. :woot:

[Erzengel]

Giants Schedule

Home: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, San Francisco, Seattle, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Carolina
Away: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, Arizona, St. Louis, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Minnesota

[jaguarr]

I saw him this past week during a conference, decked out in a suit, glasses, styled hair...he looked like a whole other person.

You can't live in New Yawk if you aren't gonna style, son!

Those NYers wanted him gone after week 2

Yeah, now they'll all be riding his dick for the next year. :up:

jag

[FaT_tONle]

So lets do that top five QB's of all time list....

1) Tom Brady
2) Joe Montana
3) John El... (or wait)



1) Joe Montana
2) Tom Brady
3) John Elway
4) Dan Marino
5) Johnny Unitas

That's better....

[jaguarr]

I think the pressure of going undefeated got to New England. I believe I can safely say that if they lost one or two games in the regular season, most likely they would've won the Super Bowl without the pressure of making history on their minds.


I'm sorry, but what a bunch of crap. They lost. The Giants were the better team last night. Period.

jag

[Dark Donnie]

You can't live in New Yawk if you aren't gonna style, son!



Yeah, now they'll all be riding his dick for the next year. :up:

jag

No kidding "OUR Superbowl Champion Coach Tom Coughlin"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/TomCoughlin.jpg

[Dark Donnie]

Giants Schedule

Home: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, San Francisco, Seattle, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Carolina
Away: Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, Arizona, St. Louis, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Minnesota

Watch for The Eagles next year, they will make a splash in FA this year

[Mister J]

Maroney couldn't get going because the passing attack never got around to loosening things up for him. The Giants front 7 was kicking New England's keister all night and there was just no room. 48 passes compared to 16 rushes still seems a bit out of whack though. Usually, the Patriots can get away with that.
The loss tonight and the loss today is going to hurt the Patriots for a long time.
:dry:

Loss tonight and today? The hell? There was only one flippin' game! Fire this man now. I command it!

Apparently, a few people watched the game.

Super Bowl XLII Viewership Might Be Headed Toward Record (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/news/story?id=3229763)

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm sorry, but what a bunch of crap. They lost. The Giants were the better team last night. Period.

jag

I'm not denying the Giants won at all. I'm specifically stating IF New England hadn't had the pressure of making history things most likely would've been different for them. I was very open to the possibility of them losing since they were coming to the big dance undefeated and that the media, sports experts, and fans were calling for history to be made and I think that the pressure was too much for them.

I'm not taking anything away from the Giants. They came and won the big dance, they earned it. But I do believe it would've been a different story if New England had lost a couple of games in the regular season.

But hey, that's why you play for the championships. NY was the best last night, now let's see if they can do it again next year.

[jaguarr]

I'm not denying the Giants won at all. I'm specifically stating IF New England hadn't had the pressure of making history things most likely would've been different for them. I was very open to the possibility of them losing since they were coming to the big dance undefeated and that the media, sports experts, and fans were calling for history to be made and I think that the pressure was too much for them.

I'm not taking anything away from the Giants. They came and won the big dance, they earned it. But I do believe it would've been a different story if New England had lost a couple of games in the regular season.

But hey, that's why you play for the championships. NY was the best last night, now let's see if they can do it again next year.

Yeah, still not buying it.

jag

[BlackLantern]

as a Giants fan, I would like them to repeat but its tough to do that in todays NFL....and yes a lot of Giant fans wanted Elis head after week 2

[LastSunrise1981]

Yeah, still not buying it.

jag

Your choice. I definitely think things would've turned out differently if they hadn't gone undefeated the entire season, but hey, nothing can be done about it and the New York Giants ARE the Super Bowl champs.

Unlike most fans I'm not going to claim cheating or bad officiating, NY's defense really kicked our asses without any hesitation and they earned this victory.

[Erzengel]

That was one thing I was glad about last night's game. Everyone gave props to the Giants. They didn't say well the officials and the bad calls. There weren't any. It was NY playing better.

[FaT_tONle]

Watch for The Eagles next year, they will make a splash in FA this year

Who? Randy Moss? Donte Stallworth (a retread)... there isn't a big time receiver out there that I know of.

[BlackLantern]

and this has got to kill all the Dallas fans out there.....their division rival put the cowgirls out of the post season and went on to win the super bowl..i have some dallas fans in my office and today willl be a good day at work

[Erzengel]

as a Giants fan, I would like them to repeat but its tough to do that in todays NFL....and yes a lot of Giant fans wanted Elis head after week 2
Yeah after the last 2 Superbowls the Giants won they were 6-9 and 8-8. :csad:

[jaguarr]

Your choice. I definitely think things would've turned out differently if they hadn't gone undefeated the entire season, but hey, nothing can be done about it and the New York Giants ARE the Super Bowl champs.

Unlike most fans I'm not going to claim cheating or bad officiating, NY's defense really kicked our asses without any hesitation and they earned this victory.

Well, enjoy making all the excuses and "what if's" if you want. The Patriots lost. It's over. They got beaten. Nothing was taken away from them and I didn't see them falling apart. I just saw them ultimately get overwhelmed by a defensive line that ate their QB alive and an offense that held it together and delivered under pressure to pull out the win. I'd give the Giants credit for stepping up and getting it done before I'd ever make excuses for the Patriots not winning the game.

jag

[Dark Donnie]

Who? Randy Moss? Donte Stallworth (a retread)... there isn't a big time receiver out there that I know of.

There not to far away, they were on fire going in to the playoffs, and just missed out.



:Larry Fitzgerald: Rumblings are he might be on the block. Aside from him though I think they may go after someone like Berrian from Chi(WR), Trufant from Sea(CB).

[jaguarr]

and this has got to kill all the Dallas fans out there.....their division rival put the cowgirls out of the post season and went on to win the super bowl..i have some dallas fans in my office and today willl be a good day at work

Show your Cowgirl loving coworkers this (warning, strong language):

K2triiYXSY8

jag

[LastSunrise1981]

Well, enjoy making all the excuses and "what if's" if you want. The Patriots lost. It's over. They got beaten. Nothing was taken away from them and I didn't see them falling apart. I just saw them ultimately get overwhelmed by a defensive line that ate their QB alive and an offense that held it together and delivered under pressure to pull out the win. I'd give the Giants credit for stepping up and getting it done before I'd ever make excuses for the Patriots not winning the game.

jag

I'm not making any excuses. I have given the Giants credit, where have I not given them credit? :huh:

Seems like someone is extremely sensitive today. :o

Before you make outlandish claims of me not giving credit, go back and read my posts during the aftermath of the game. I gave and still give NY credit for the great defense and making the plays that mattered most. I have not, nor have I ever made any kind of excuses as to why New England lost the big dance last night. I did say that I believe the pressure got to them in the end with the possibility of making history, but in the end, it does not change the outcome and New York are the Super Bowl champions. This isn't a dream, this isnt some made up fictional story, it actually happened and I am not denying that at all Jags.

It seems as though you're getting defensive for no reason.

[FaT_tONle]

and this has got to kill all the Dallas fans out there.....their division rival put the cowgirls out of the post season and went on to win the super bowl..i have some dallas fans in my office and today willl be a good day at work

Yeah it hurts... but not everyone is fond of the Patriots either... but we'll get one in this era... sooner than later... we made our run after the Giants in the late eighties... Superbowls are going to start coming back to the NFC.

[BlackLantern]

I'm not making any excuses. I have given the Giants credit, where have I not given them credit? :huh:

Seems like someone is extremely sensitive today. :o

because the first thing out of everyones' mouth is how the Pats messed up, not how the Giants played a fantastic game

[Erzengel]

I'm not making any excuses. I have given the Giants credit, where have I not given them credit? :huh:

Seems like someone is extremely sensitive today. :o

While I do think the Giants were playing with the "house's" money and had nothing to lose.

Any team in the Superbowl should feel more pressure of losing a Superbowl over losing a perfect season.

Those 18-19 games should mean nothing once you step out into the field. And I don't think the Pats would have played any differently by that rationale.

[jaguarr]

I'm not making any excuses. I have given the Giants credit, where have I not given them credit? :huh:

Seems like someone is extremely sensitive today. :o

Sure you are. You're marginalizing their win by saying asinine things like "If the Patriots hadn't gone undefeated in the regular season they wouldn't have crumpled under pressure in the big game and I have no doubt that they would have won". You're making it sound like the Patriots let them win or that they would have won the game under normal circumstances. That's marginalizing the Giants win, dude. :whatever:

jag

[jaguarr]

because the first thing out of everyones' mouth is how the Pats messed up, not how the Giants played a fantastic game

While I do think the Giants were playing with the "house's" money and had nothing to lose.

Any team in the Superbowl should feel more pressure of losing a Superbowl over losing a perfect season.

Those 18-19 games should mean nothing once you step out into the field. And I don't think the Pats would have played any differently by that rationale.

Bingo! :up:

jag

[LastSunrise1981]

While I do think the Giants were playing with the "house's" money and had nothing to lose.

Any team in the Superbowl should feel more pressure of losing a Superbowl over losing a perfect season.

Those 18-19 games should mean nothing once you step out into the field. And I don't think the Pats would have played any differently by that rationale.

Hmm, I don't necessarily believe the pressure if the same if you've lost a game or two. I believe there's more pressure in trying to complete a perfect season along with a championship, mainly because I think you can let it all hang out and make the plays that matter.

New York did exactly that. They had nothing to lose and no one gave them a chance, so they came out ready to play and made an crucial clutch play that had them win the Super Bowl. I am not trying to deny their victory because there's no denying that they have the trophy right now and they sent New England home.

I feel Jag is intentionally taking my words out of context. Patriots did mess up and didn't come to play, but pressure of trying to have a perfect season I feel played a part in it as well. I also believe they most likely thought they were going to come in and humilate the Giants as well, since the Giants were the underdogs in this confrontation. It's hard to beat a team that really has nothing to lose because that's when they play their hardest.

[FaT_tONle]

There not to far away, they were on fire going in to the playoffs, and just missed out.



:Larry Fitzgerald: Rumblings are he might be on the block. Aside from him though I think they may go after someone like Berrian from Chi(WR), Trufant from Sea(CB).

Cowboys have more chips to trade for a young receiver... Jerry is probably going to make a deal here and unload those 1st round picks for a Roy Williams (Det) or a trade up with Oakland/Miami for Mcfadden unless he is satisfied with the corners in the draft.

[LastSunrise1981]

because the first thing out of everyones' mouth is how the Pats messed up, not how the Giants played a fantastic game

Actually the Pats did mess up and the fact that they messed up is acknowledging that they didn't make the plays that mattered. :huh:

[Erzengel]

I guess most people are taking exception to your posts because you think the Pats would of won if this happened, or this happened. Like the Giants won on a fluke and not on their abilities. The Patriots didn't beat themselves (pressure), the Giants beat them.

[BlackLantern]

but the Pats lost and they get mentioned first is what ticks me off.....

[Dark Donnie]

but the Pats lost and they get mentioned first is what ticks me off.....

I haven't heard that, I've heard all morning and last night how The Giants Defense played lights out, and frustrated Brady all night.

[LastSunrise1981]

I guess most people are taking exception to your posts because you think the Pats would of won if this happened, or this happened. Like the Giants won on a fluke and not on their abilities. The Patriots didn't beat themselves (pressure), the Giants beat them.

Patriots did beat themselves, they didn't make the plays and the Giants defense I believe shocked them too. I'm not taking ANYTHING away from the Giants they won the game, played great defense, and Eli made a clutch throw to lead his team to victory.

I definitely wish things turned out differently, but they didn't and New York Giants are the champions. No excuses at all. A great team overcomes any kind of pressure and New England wasn't the best team at all last night, they flat out got beat and they have a long time to think about it now.

[Johnny Blaze]

but the Pats lost and they get mentioned first is what ticks me off.....

Especially on ESPN. The Pats, Colts, and USC are like the three teams they constantly beat-off to, no matter what. :o

[jaguarr]

I guess most people are taking exception to your posts because you think the Pats would of won if this happened, or this happened. Like the Giants won on a fluke and not on their abilities. The Patriots didn't beat themselves (pressure), the Giants beat them.

Exactamundo, Potsy! :up:

jag

[Erzengel]

Patriots did beat themselves, they didn't make the plays and the Giants defense I believe shocked them too. I'm not taking ANYTHING away from the Giants they won the game, played great defense, and Eli made a clutch throw to lead his team to victory.
Dude, you really should read what you are typing. They weren't making the plays because the defense was shutting them down. Which flustered Brady, which caused him to miss passes.

Sure there was pressure on the team. The pressure of the Giant defense.

[BlackLantern]

the look on Bradys face during the game was "why the **** am I on the ground?? This never happened before....it hurts it hurts...."

[Erzengel]

He was getting pissed at some of his players for not leaping that extra 5 feet in the air to catch some of his passes. :o

[jaguarr]

Patriots did beat themselves, they didn't make the plays and the Giants defense I believe shocked them too. I'm not taking ANYTHING away from the Giants they won the game, played great defense, and Eli made a clutch throw to lead his team to victory.

I definitely wish things turned out differently, but they didn't and New York Giants are the champions. No excuses at all. A great team overcomes any kind of pressure and New England wasn't the best team at all last night, they flat out got beat and they have a long time to think about it now.

But you are! That's the entire basis of your posts on this whole thing is that they didn't beat the Patriots, the Patriots beat themselves. You said just that at the beginning of that post. That completely takes away from what NY accomplished last night. Completely.

My cousin from Boston, a diehard Patriots fan, called me last night after the game and said "We got our asses kicked, plain and simple". No "Well, Patriots just folded under pressure of trying to have a perfect season." or any of this other crap that serves as an excuse or marginalizes the other team's victory. Just an acknowledgment that they got beat. Period. That's class. :up:

jag

[Dark Donnie]

He was getting pissed at some of his players for not leaping that extra 5 feet in the air to catch some of his passes. :o

I think he yelled at Welker for running the wrong route, I believe that's what the one announcer said and I believe Brady was just throwing it away.

[LastSunrise1981]

But you are! That's the entire basis of your posts on this whole thing is that they didn't beat the Patriots, the Patriots beat themselves. You said just that at the beginning of that post. That completely takes away from what NY accomplished last night. Completely.

My cousin from Boston, a diehard Patriots fan, called me last night after the game and said "We got our asses kicked, plain and simple". No "Well, Patriots just folded under pressure of trying to have a perfect season." or any of this other crap that serves as an excuse or marginalizes the other team's victory. Just an acknowledgment that they got beat. Period. That's class. :up:

jag

Nope, you're wrong on that. Patriots beat themselves and NY's defense kicked their asses and NY capitalized on that by working hard for the victory and winning. No excuses at all, you're intentionally making something out of nothing and I have given NY credit for making the play and winning the game.

NY EARNED the victory and that cannot be taken away from them. At the end of the day they're the champions, not New England. Now it would be nice if you stopped being an overdramatic fan and trying to make a huge deal out of nothing.

[Alex The Great]

DAGGUM GIANTS! :cmad:


If New england doesn't re-sign Randy Moss i...i don't know what i'll do.

Bill might be suspended for 08 and all this happens really saddens a pats fan :csad:

again, DAGGUM GIANTS! :cmad:

[BlackLantern]

one of my really good friends is a Pats fan, she was at a party with all Pats fans and she called me and basically said she never saw Tom Brady and the pats get shut down like that.....

[LastSunrise1981]

Dude, you really should read what you are typing. They weren't making the plays because the defense was shutting them down. Which flustered Brady, which caused him to miss passes.

Sure there was pressure on the team. The pressure of the Giant defense.

And I have admitted it. The defense really did shock the Patriots and they didn't know how to combat it, I have said that a million times and posters are intentionally looking over it or refusing to acknowledge it.

[Erzengel]

Patriots beat themselves


No excuses at all

Uh, yeah that's an excuse.

[jaguarr]

the look on Bradys face during the game was "why the **** am I on the ground?? This never happened before....it hurts it hurts...."

He was getting pissed at some of his players for not leaping that extra 5 feet in the air to catch some of his passes. :o

I think he yelled at Welker for running the wrong route, I believe that's what the one announcer said and I believe Brady was just throwing it away.

One thing is for certain; Brady got his bell rung more last night than he did all season and it rattled him big time. Without that O-Line really doing their job and giving him some protection, he's not superhuman as a QB anymore. He was obviously not used to getting manhandled like that last night and it flustered him. The Giants D-Line was having a field day with him last night.

jag

[Alex The Great]

A least there's the pro-bowl to look forward to :csad:............................:waa: :dry:

[BlackLantern]

the first play of the Pats first offensive series when Brady got driven into the ground, I knew the Pats were in trouble

[jaguarr]

Nope, you're wrong on that. Patriots beat themselves and NY's defense kicked their asses and NY capitalized on that by working hard for the victory and winning. No excuses at all, you're intentionally making something out of nothing and I have given NY credit for making the play and winning the game.

NY EARNED the victory and that cannot be taken away from them. At the end of the day they're the champions, not New England. Now it would be nice if you stopped being an overdramatic fan and trying to make a huge deal out of nothing.

All your "compliments" to NY have been preceded by crap like the bold, big text above. That's an excuse. That's a way of saying NY didn't win because they were the better team last night, but because NE basically let them. :down

jag

[LastSunrise1981]

Uh, yeah that's an excuse.

An excuse is

"The refs cheated."

"NY cheated."

Admitting the Patriots beat themselves and lost the game is not an excuse. When I say beat themselves I'm not saying the Giants didn't beat them, I'm simply saying New England choked under pressure from the Giants defense and didn't make the plays that count.

[Dark Donnie]

one of my really good friends is a Pats fan, she was at a party with all Pats fans and she called me and basically said she never saw Tom Brady and the pats get shut down like that.....

He got beat up a couple times, not as bad as last night, but The Eagles, Ravens both got to him alot, funny both games were nail biters.

Also taking Moss out of the game is huge, double him and triple him and there in trouble. Brady tries to force some thows that are simply not there.

[Erzengel]

If it smells like an excuse, looks like an excuse and sounds like an excuse. It's an excuse.

[BlackLantern]

and in doing that LS you are refusing to acknowledge the Giants as the BEST TEAM IN THE NFL...which as of last night they are

[Alex The Great]

i really whant Hobbs to be cut but he's a decent corner who's still young and has a long carreer ahead of him

Just get us a O-Line and a younger defense and i'll be happy :csad:

[LastSunrise1981]

All your "compliments" to NY have been preceded by crap like the bold, big text above. That's an excuse. That's a way of saying NY didn't win because they were the better team last night, but because NE basically let them. :down

jag

Nope, not at all. So pretty much I have to say "NY beat us fair and square, no excuses" first before I even attempt to make an intelligent post and say why they beat us?

NEW YORK BEAT US FAIR AND SQUARE, NO EXCUSES. I have no reason to make outrageous claims like most fans tend to do. If I wanted to make an excuse I would say "New York paid the refs off", "The fans of NY really cheated by making so much noise.", "the refs wanted to help NY win" and all kinds of crazy stupid excuses.

I have given credit where credit is due. NEW YORK KICKED OUR ASSES, that's all there is to it. How many more times do I have to say in order for you to understand that I'm not taking anything away from New York?

[LastSunrise1981]

and in doing that LS you are refusing to acknowledge the Giants as the BEST TEAM IN THE NFL...which as of last night they are

NY are the best team in the NFL and winning the Super Bowl proved it. They capitalized on the mistakes made by the Patriots, provided tough defense, and made a crucial play that earned them the victory. Where have I denied that? Just because I simply am acknowledging the mistakes of the Patriots first and giving credit to NY doesn't mean I'm making excuses.

[BlackLantern]

Nope, not at all. So pretty much I have to say "NY beat us fair and square, no excuses" first before I even attempt to make an intelligent post and say why they beat us?

NEW YORK BEAT US FAIR AND SQUARE, NO EXCUSES. I have no reason to make outrageous claims like most fans tend to do. If I wanted to make an excuse I would say "New York paid the refs off", "The fans of NY really cheated by making so much noise.", "the refs wanted to help NY win" and all kinds of crazy stupid excuses.

I have given credit where credit is due. NEW YORK KICKED OUR ASSES, that's all there is to it. How many more times do I have to say in order for you to understand that I'm not taking anything away from New York?

exactly....make your case however you want but as long as thats the first thing out of your mouth Im happy

[jaguarr]

Nope, not at all. So pretty much I have to say "NY beat us fair and square, no excuses" first before I even attempt to make an intelligent post and say why they beat us?

NEW YORK BEAT US FAIR AND SQUARE, NO EXCUSES. I have no reason to make outrageous claims like most fans tend to do. If I wanted to make an excuse I would say "New York paid the refs off", "The fans of NY really cheated by making so much noise.", "the refs wanted to help NY win" and all kinds of crazy stupid excuses.

I have given credit where credit is due. NEW YORK KICKED OUR ASSES, that's all there is to it. How many more times do I have to say in order for you to understand that I'm not taking anything away from New York?

I think we've made some progress here, today. Why don't you capture your feelings over the course of the next week in your journal and we'll talk about them next session? :)

jag

[Erzengel]

Nope, not at all. So pretty much I have to say "NY beat us fair and square, no excuses" first before I even attempt to make an intelligent post and say why they beat us?

NEW YORK BEAT US FAIR AND SQUARE, NO EXCUSES. I have no reason to make outrageous claims like most fans tend to do. If I wanted to make an excuse I would say "New York paid the refs off", "The fans of NY really cheated by making so much noise.", "the refs wanted to help NY win" and all kinds of crazy stupid excuses.

I have given credit where credit is due. NEW YORK KICKED OUR ASSES, that's all there is to it. How many more times do I have to say in order for you to understand that I'm not taking anything away from New York?
The gist of some of your posts were that the Pats would have won if they lost previously in the season. :huh:

[LastSunrise1981]

exactly....make your case however you want but as long as thats the first thing out of your mouth Im happy

I'm not going to say something in order to please you or anyone. The fact that I'm admitting New York kicked our asses is more than enough, I don't have to word it exactly how YOU or anyone wants it in order for YOU to be happy.

[Dark Donnie]

i really whant Hobbs to be cut but he's a decent corner who's still young and has a long carreer ahead of him

Just get us a O-Line and a younger defense and i'll be happy :csad:

There O-Line, is tremendous, they lost there starting guard early in the game which didn't help. The Giants are as just good though on the D Line, and confused them on a number of plays.

There defense however is quite old. Rodney Harrison is one of my most hated palyers, I've never liked him, and im not entirely sure why.:huh:

[BlackLantern]

NEW YORK BEAT US FAIR AND SQUARE, NO EXCUSES.

and thats fine.....and this statement is enough....I understand as a Pats fan how you're feeling today....(I apologize for the creative editing but I couldnt help myself)

[LastSunrise1981]

The gist of some of your posts were that the Pats would have won if they lost previously in the season. :huh:

Yes, I did say that. I believe that wanting to make history clouded their judgement and they came in with a big head. Let's face it New England was extremely cocky this season and I'm sure they thought they were just going to bully New York, beat them senseless, and then humilate them at the press conference.

New York came out to play and put such a pressure defense on Tom Brady and the offensive line that it shut them down completely. When I saw the score I knew it was a possibility that NY would win because it was so close and they frustrated Brady. Eli made a great crucial clutch throw and the catch sealed the victory for them.

Believe me, as a fan of New England, I wish things turned out differently but they didn't and it's back to the drawing board for them. As of last night and until the new season starts New York are the Super Bowl champions and the best in the NFL right now. No excuses from me at all.

It definitely seems like you, Jags, and a host of others twisted my post into something that wasn't meant to take anything away from New York at all. And that says a lot about you because you want people to say something the way you want them to say it in order to please you. If you aren't confident enough to believe NY won it fair and square, and need someone to say it to you in order to feel better about it, then it doesn't say too much about you as a fan of football or sports in general.

[Alex The Great]

watch for the jags this year. they have cap room and will make some snags

[jaguarr]

watch for the jags this year. they have cap room and will make some snags

Yeah, I agree with you. They impressed me this year and with a few fine tunings and some key roster additions, they could really rock the league next year.

jag

[Erzengel]

It definitely seems like you, Jags, and a host of others twisted my post into something that wasn't meant to take anything away from New York at all. And that says a lot about you because you want people to say something the way you want them to say it in order to please you. If you aren't confident enough to believe NY won it fair and square, and need someone to say it to you in order to feel better about it, then it doesn't say too much about you as a fan of football or sports in general.

You know the old saying "Don't take offense to this...", pretty much it's going to be offensive. Same thing, "I don't mean to be insulting...", means you are being insulting.

That's what you are doing.

And don't turn this on us. Your posts spoke for you, and it wasn't us twisting around your words.

[Jerry!]

Sunrise is out of his mind as usual. Every time he says the Pats beat themselves but he isn't taking anything away from the Giants, well yeah you are. That is exactly what you are doing by saying that. The Patriots did not beat themselves. They did not lose the Super Bowl because of the pressure to make history. If that were true they would have lost to the Giants in the last game of the season as well. The Giants made the plays necessary to win and Eli Manning had an amazing 4th quarter. They played amazing defense and held the record breaking Patriots offense to 14 points. None of that has anything to do with the Patriots having pressure on them for going 19-0. It has everything to do with the Giants just outperforming the Patriots.

[Dark Donnie]

Michael Vick-QB-Falcons Feb. 4 - 10:58 am et

A federal judge ruled Monday that the Falcons are ineligible to recover $20 million in bonuses they paid to suspended QB Michael Vick.

Vick, who is suspended indefinitely while serving a 23-month prison term, was paid the bonuses over a three-year period. The federal judge ruled that Atlanta recovering the money would violate the NFL's CBA. This is a big blow for the Falcons, who hoped to save cap room by salvaging the bonuses.


Pacman Jones-DB-Titans Feb. 4 - 10:47 am et

Suspended CB Pacman Jones is not expected to be a Titan in 2008 even if he's reinstated.

The Titans would rather trade Jones if he's let back in, though that seems unlikely. The Nashville City Paper compares Pacman to a "Ferrari wrapped around an oak tree." The Ferrari name carries value, but not nearly as much as before the crash. Releasing Jones would cause a $3 million cap hit.
Source: Nashville City Paper


...

[Alex The Great]

I bet Miami drafts a punter.....in the first round :o

[jaguarr]

Glad to see both Jones and Vick getting what they deserve. Pity the Falcons couldn't get their bonus money back out of Vick, though.

jag

[kane9321]

Oh look out for my 49ers to make the playoffs next yr.....return to greatness

[Dark Donnie]

Oh look out for my 49ers to make the playoffs next yr.....return to greatness

I thought they were going to be in this year, they looked bad.

[jaguarr]

Oh look out for my 49ers to make the playoffs next yr.....return to greatness

At the rate you guys are going, my Raiders will be in the playoffs before the Niners. :oldrazz:

jag

[LastSunrise1981]

Sunrise is out of his mind as usual. Every time he says the Pats beat themselves but he isn't taking anything away from the Giants, well yeah you are. That is exactly what you are doing by saying that. The Patriots did not beat themselves. They did not lose the Super Bowl because of the pressure to make history. If that were true they would have lost to the Giants in the last game of the season as well. The Giants made the plays necessary to win and Eli Manning had an amazing 4th quarter. They played amazing defense and held the record breaking Patriots offense to 14 points. None of that has anything to do with the Patriots having pressure on them for going 19-0. It has everything to do with the Giants just outperforming the Patriots.

Oh, I knew it was only a matter of time before you came out of the woodwork with your misinformation and your lack of sports understanding. The Patriots did beat themselves because they didn't make the plays that matter and New York came in with a unstoppable fire that they would not be beat.

Yes, I do believe the pressure got to New England, pressure from New York's defense got to them and the fact that they were put on such a pedestal really made them cocky in the end. They thought they were going to be this invincible force of nature that was going to destroy a team that was the underdogs, the underdogs surprised the hell out of them and won the big dance. I have not denied that and will not deny it, because the scoreboard tells the story, the trophy tells the story, and Eli making the crucial throw to lead his team to victory tells the story. If you expect me to sit back and word things in such a fashion that makes you or anyone feel better, then you have another thing coming my shallow friend.

I love football, I love basketball, I love sports in general and I have a great respect and understanding for them.

Learn more about football and basketball before you even attempt to add your two cents in Jerry. NY did outplay New England and at the end of the day they are the ones with the trophy, not New England.

[Jerry!]

The person who just said the Patriots would have won the Super Bowl if they lost a game or two during the regular season just told me to learn more about football. Mercy. That's ****ing hilarious. Better get to posting old school football videos Sunrise to start showing your in-depth knowledge and wisdom of football as you do so often with basketball.

[LastSunrise1981]

The person who just said the Patriots would have won the Super Bowl if they lost a game or two during the regular season just told me to learn more about football. Mercy. That's ****ing hilarious.

Yes, I do believe that them being undefeated gave them huge egos and clouded their judgement. You have to remember that this years football teams are more different than when the Miami Dolphins did it. Back in those days players had an old school mentality and were humble about their wins.

These days teams with great records or all kinds of accomplishments tend to get a big head and think that being undefeated, or having the number 1 seed(ala Dallas Mavericks) automatically guarantees a win and that's not the case at all. New England had forgot how to lose this season and I feel IF they lost a game or two, they would've been a lot more humble coming into the Super Bowl and probably would've won. The keyword here is probably and for all I know they may've still lost in a similar fashion. But in the present the New York Giants are the Super Bowl champions and they played their hearts out.

No one thought they'd beat the Cowboys, no one thought they would beat the Packers, and no one thought they'd the Patriots. So I'm giving my congrats to New York they beat us and are the champions.

And yes Jerry, I believe you are a misinformed sports fan. I don't believe you have any real knowledge of the sports you follow and your cocky confrontational attitude shows this. I'm man enough to admit that I've said and reacted stupidly in the past, but unlike you, you won't admit your shortcomings and continue to be confrontational and try to be some sort of internet badass when you try to "debate" sports. When push comes to shove I realize that I've made mistakes and made stupid assumptions, predictions, and have made errors when researching sports history and sports facts.

So at the end of the day I hope this loss truly humbles New England and they learn to respect their opponents, rather than simply believing that they're better than them and that a better record will intimidate them.

[Jerry!]

I don't think the Patriots could have POSSIBLY been any more humble throughout the season than they were. They wouldn't talk about **** regarding going undefeated. It was always one game at a time. Belichick wouldn't allow them to think that way for exactly the reasons you said. Again, if that was their problem, they wouldn't have gone undefeated in the regular season.

[Erzengel]

No one thought they'd beat the Cowboys, no one thought they would beat the Packers, and no one thought they'd the Patriots. So I'm giving my congrats to New York they beat us and are the champions.


I believed. :yay::huh::o

[Immortalfire]

If New england doesn't re-sign Randy Moss i...i don't know what i'll do.


Nothing.

[jaguarr]

Yeah, I have to agree, Belichick kind of went out of his way to keep the Pats from getting too cocky or full of themselves and pushed them to think about things one game at a time. If anything, the Giants were the ones running their mouths in the press before the game (well, Burress, anyway).

jag

[The Game]

Nothing.

LOL

Yes, I do believe that them being undefeated gave them huge egos and clouded their judgement. You have to remember that this years football teams are more different than when the Miami Dolphins did it. Back in those days players had an old school mentality and were humble about their wins.

These days teams with great records or all kinds of accomplishments tend to get a big head and think that being undefeated, or having the number 1 seed(ala Dallas Mavericks) automatically guarantees a win and that's not the case at all. New England had forgot how to lose this season and I feel IF they lost a game or two, they would've been a lot more humble coming into the Super Bowl and probably would've won. The keyword here is probably and for all I know they may've still lost in a similar fashion. But in the present the New York Giants are the Super Bowl champions and they played their hearts out.

No one thought they'd beat the Cowboys, no one thought they would beat the Packers, and no one thought they'd the Patriots. So I'm giving my congrats to New York they beat us and are the champions.

And yes Jerry, I believe you are a misinformed sports fan. I don't believe you have any real knowledge of the sports you follow and your cocky confrontational attitude shows this. I'm man enough to admit that I've said and reacted stupidly in the past, but unlike you, you won't admit your shortcomings and continue to be confrontational and try to be some sort of internet badass when you try to "debate" sports. When push comes to shove I realize that I've made mistakes and made stupid assumptions, predictions, and have made errors when researching sports history and sports facts.

So at the end of the day I hope this loss truly humbles New England and they learn to respect their opponents, rather than simply believing that they're better than them and that a better record will intimidate them.

I dont get where your coming from, Patriots have been humble all season, they had a good season by refusing to look too far ahead and only focused on who they would be playing next. Winning is a habit and when you are used to it, its a feeling you do not want to lose and with their talent they should aim to win everything. The only thing winning did to them was crank up the pressure, the SB became more than the trophy but was about history, I feel if they had lost a match in the season it would have taken away so much pressure.

[Jerry!]

Exactly. Nothing the Patriots have done or said throughout this season and playoffs have ever indicated that they believe they "scare other teams off because of their record". It was really the complete opposite.

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah well, that game was easily the most exciting I've had since my Ravens beat the Giants in the Superbowl. Eli's throw through a mountain of defenders and Ty's circus catch were the highlights for me watching with the boys. I'm not a major Giants fan, but I really don't like the Patriots, so I'm good.

Moving into the coming season, I hope that we can solve the problem that's been nagging us for years now: the offense. We've made trades and changed personnel more than enough to lay the groundwork and THIS year we should see things come full circle.

Our defense has always been outstanding, I'm just waiting for a quaterback to lead the offense. Hopefully it's not Boller and McNair, I love the guy, but he's just breaking down.

[Dark Donnie]

Mortensen The Ravens will pursue McNabb, but I seriously doubt he gets traded.

[Fran]

Oh look out for my 49ers to make the playoffs next yr.....return to greatness

That's what you said this year... :dry:

[Showtime]

Teams lose.

I root for the New York Knicks.

I have to hear the ridicule of being a Yankee fan.

I think Showtime is a good enough sport to not let it bother him.

Thank you, and the game is still fresh in everybody's minds and certainly open to debate, discussion, and celebration.

[Genesis 1.0]

Mortensen The Ravens will pursue McNabb, but I seriously doubt he gets traded.

Yeah, I've already pushed that glorious possiblity to the side unfrotunately.

Seriously though, all we need is a decent quaterback, the D will do the rest. Hell we won the superbowl with TRENT DILFER.:o

Give us something decent and non-injury prone.

[Fran]

Does anyone else think that Belichick was a poor sport walking off the field early yesterday? He must have gotten that from Moss.

[Erzengel]

Not Safe for Ears

Not because it's offensive vulgarly but to your ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_3f1PMEOQ

LOL

[Erzengel]

Does anyone else think that Belichick was a poor sport walking off the field early yesterday? He must have gotten that from Moss.
I think he is a complete prick but at least he did go over to Coughlin.

Although he probably didn't listen to one word he said, and turned his head.

Prick. :o

[The Game]

Exactly. Nothing the Patriots have done or said throughout this season and playoffs have ever indicated that they believe they "scare other teams off because of their record". It was really the complete opposite.

The record did not scare any teams away instead they played to such a high level, look at the Ravens prior to the pats match, then look at them during the pats match and what happend the week after.

[Fran]

I think he is a complete prick but at least he did go over to Coughlin.

Although he probably didn't listen to one word he said, and turned his head.

Prick. :o

Agreed... I don't care if there was 2 seconds left. Stay on the field and finish the game. You're a head coach, not the kicker or something.

I hate Belichick, and to me, this game was karma for taping Rams practices (if true) and just a big "F U" to the Pats. Loved it.

Brady could have shut his mouth and be the bigger man not answering Plax's guarantee, but he was upset that he said only 17 points, so he got a little cocky. :yay:

[jaguarr]

Actually, the Belichick moment that cracked me up the most was the post-game interview outside the Pats lockerroom. He looked like he was going to punch the interviewer at any moment and gave these very short, one sentence answers to the questions he was being asked. He wouldn't look at the camera or the interviewer and looked like it caused him intense pain when he had to basically compliment the Giants on their win. Haha!

jag

[Erzengel]

And Belichick didn't even compliment the Giants at all something to the effect of "we made plays, they made plays but they made more plays."

Wow, thanks. :huh:

[Fran]

It gave me great pleasure seeing a Michigan State football player beating a highly-touted Michigan player in the biggest stage of the NFL :woot:

[Erzengel]

And I found this sorry I'm really not trying to rub it in the Pat's fans faces but.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/alphablue/a1mz9c.gif

[Showtime]

I am going to repost what I wrote in the Super Bowl thread...

I want to congratulate the Giants. Their front four played lights out and Brady was rushed the entire game. I think the Giants front four was the key to the game but the Giants coverage in the secondary was also impressive. I think the Giants were able to stop the rush and force the Patriots to pass which in turn allowed them to tee off on the Patriots weakened offensive line. Heck of a defensive game plan.

The Patriots defense played pretty damn well the entire game, however they made some mistakes in the secondary and missed tackles which definately hurt them. Samuel missed an interception on the sideline that was a big key play, Hobbs blew the coverage on Burress on the game winning TD, up to three Patriots missing the sack on Manning on the game winning drive. These old men certainly looked old.

The Patriots offense was off key all night long up what seemed to be the game winning drive. The star of the offense all night was Wes Welker and Kevin Faulk made some key plays out of the backfield. Tom Brady was not Tom Brady. It was a valiant effort, but he was misfiring all night long. You can certainly credit the Giants defense with making Brady miss. Where the heck was Muroney all night? He had a kick return and then disappeared into the Giants front seven.

Now for the Giants offense, they showed up when it counted. Eli Manning looked Bradyesque on both TD drives. They made more big plays than the Patriots. They didn't abandon the run and complimented the run with the pass when applicable. Kudos to Manning who I have been killing all year long on the boards and otherwise. He was the Giant's "Giant Killer". I am thoroughly impressed with him now.

To me this tarnishes the Patriots season. Sure they wen't 18-0 going into the Superbowl, sure they shattered records. I understand that Brady broke the record for most touchdowns thrown in a single season. I understand Moss broke the recored for most touchdowns receiving in a single season. None of that matters though because they lost the Superbowl. That is how I feel, and I know that is how (The Patriots) feel. They will now be considered by some, including me, the 2nd best team of the 2007 season. The best team in the league being the Super Bowl Champions...New York Giants.

Congrats to the fans on the boards and the fans abroad. The Giants earned it and you fans deserve it.

[Genesis 1.0]

The record did not scare any teams away instead they played to such a high level, look at the Ravens prior to the pats match, then look at them during the pats match and what happend the week after.

It remains my firm belief that we were robbed that game, that sentiment was echoed around some of the NFL and media outlets instead labeled as controversial.:o

In any case, I'm looking to the coming season and getting a new quaterback.

[jaguarr]

You're a class act, Showtime. :up:

jag

[Showtime]

Actually, the Belichick moment that cracked me up the most was the post-game interview outside the Pats lockerroom. He looked like he was going to punch the interviewer at any moment and gave these very short, one sentence answers to the questions he was being asked. He wouldn't look at the camera or the interviewer and looked like it caused him intense pain when he had to basically compliment the Giants on their win. Haha!

jag

HA HA. He did the same thing last year when they lost to the Colts.

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[Fran]

This postseason was Eli Manning's arrival.

He's grown up.

[Immortalfire]

And I found this sorry I'm really not trying to rub it in the Pat's fans faces but.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/alphablue/a1mz9c.gif

I approve this post.

[Pyroschik]

I just loved that tackle! :)

[jaguarr]

LOL! After watching both of those vids, Show, I'd have to classify Belichick's interview style as "Seething With Hate".

jag

[Erzengel]

B'tch.

Well, after the New England Patriots, including Gisele's boyfriend, Quarterback Tom Brady, lost the Superbowl to the New York Giants, it might actually happen. Don't believe me? Gisele herself stated "If the Pats lose, I’ll run naked though Mid-Town Manhattan."

Then said, It was a mistake and I'm sorry I said it. I don't know what I could have been thinking -- Midtown Manhattan is a parking lot any time of day or night. It'd take 30 minutes just to make it from the Theater District to 34th Street. And what if I ran into the Naked Cowboy and had to pose for pictures with every out-of-town Tom, Dick and Harry? Tack on another 30 minutes, easily. How 'bout I simply flashed my breasts from a billboard in Times Square and call it a day ... will that work?

[Dark Donnie]

That will work Giselle

[jaguarr]

I just loved that tackle! :)

I like how he had a Patriots linemen attached to him and it didn't even slow him down.

jag

[Showtime]

You're a class act, Showtime. :up:

jag

Thanks Jag. I just feel like the Giants fans deserve the opportunity to talk about their win and their team as much as the Colts fans did last year or the Patriots have been ALL YEAR LONG.

LOL! After watching both of those vids, Show, I'd have to classify Belichick's interview style as "Seething With Hate".

jag

It's amazing, when he is on local radio he is totally different than he is. Man though, the guy looks like he is a bounty hunter set out to extinguish national reporters.

[Showtime]

And I found this sorry I'm really not trying to rub it in the Pat's fans faces but.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/alphablue/a1mz9c.gif

Wow. He got bungled.

[Alex The Great]

God i hope New england has a great off season this year :csad:

[Erzengel]

NEW YORK (AP) — The New York Giants' thrilling win over the New England Patriots was the most-watched Super Bowl ever, with 97.5 million viewers, Nielsen Media Research said Monday.

The game eclipsed the previous Super Bowl record of 94.08 million, set when Dallas defeated Pittsburgh in 1996. More people watched Sunday's game than all but one American television broadcast ever, the "M-A-S-H" finale in 1983, which was seen by 106 million viewers.

The game had almost all the ingredients Fox could have hoped for: a tight contest with an exciting finish involving a team that was attempting to make history as the NFL's first unbeaten team since 1972.

But the Giants ended New England's bid for perfection, 17-14. Throughout the game, the teams were never separated by more than a touchdown.

Trying to witness history in one form or another.

[Alex The Great]

we may have lost but it was a great game :csad::up:

[Dark Donnie]

we may have lost but it was a great game :csad::up:

To be honest, the first 3 quarters stunk, The fourth was great though.

[Erzengel]

Does a good defensive game equate to a game sucking?

Keeping the Pats to 1 score in 3 quarters may not be as exciting as an offensive battle but I never was bored.

Also help that I actually was a fan of one of the teams and I just wasn't rooting for a team I liked more.

[Erzengel]

And kudos to Greg Gadson, honorary captain.


The Giants will have an honorary captain on their sidelines on Sunday - veteran of three wars and victim of a roadside bomb in the current Iraq war, Greg Gadson, now a double amputee.

Gadson was named Person of the Week by ABC World News on Friday, but he's been the person of the season for the Giants. West Point teammate of Giants WR coach Mike Sullivan, Gadson was asked by the coach to provide some inspiration before these Giants, then 0-2, played the Redskins in September. The G-men rallied from behind to win that game, the first of a six-game streak that got this season on track.

The Giants haven't forgotten about their inspiration. Plaxico Burress gave him his TD ball during the Packers playoff game, and Gadson has a prime location on Sunday.

He was on the sidelines for the Packers and the Superbowl while f'king Shockey was in the booth. :down

[Raiden]

Actually, the Belichick moment that cracked me up the most was the post-game interview outside the Pats lockerroom. He looked like he was going to punch the interviewer at any moment and gave these very short, one sentence answers to the questions he was being asked. He wouldn't look at the camera or the interviewer and looked like it caused him intense pain when he had to basically compliment the Giants on their win. Haha!

jag

I love it! :up: Belichick is the worst sore loser in NFL, and watching him on the verge of losing his sanity after the huge upset pleased me to no end. :word:

[Jerry!]

Yeah it was a great defensive game throughout in which both team's defenses played well, just that the Patriots couldn't get the big stops right when they needed them.

[jaguarr]

And kudos to Greg Gadson, honorary captain.



He was on the sidelines for the Packers and the Superbowl while f'king Shockey was in the booth. :down

Yeah, I saw Shockey in the booth and thought "WTF? Why isn't he down there with his teammates?". It's not like they were in sub-zero temperatures or anything. They were in freaking Arizona. No reason for Shockey to not be on the field other than he's a jackass.

jag

[DBella]

Teams lose.

I root for the New York Knicks.

I have to hear the ridicule of being a Yankee fan.

I think Showtime is a good enough sport to not let it bother him.
O the curse of being a Yankee fan. :(

Hey, your Knicks are still better than my Sonics. Btw, that was a good game on Saturday night between the Knicks and the Sonics, wasn't it. :o
Does a good defensive game equate to a game sucking?

Keeping the Pats to 1 score in 3 quarters may not be as exciting as an offensive battle but I never was bored.

Also help that I actually was a fan of one of the teams and I just wasn't rooting for a team I liked more.
Who said that a good defensive game equate to a game sucking? Hell no! I much prefer a good defensive game and the Giants delivered. As "they" say, Offense Brings the Crowd but Defense Wins the Game. :up:

CONGRATULATIONS NY GIANTS!

PS. Belichek is a stinkin' sore loser.

[Raiden]

I thought Giants' defensive line, not Eli, was the true SB MVP. If they hadn't kept Pats' high-octane offense in check throughout the game (Pats only scored 14 pts, when their season average was doubled that), Eli won't have been able to make a comeback since he wasn't that effective against Pats' defense. Scoring 5 sacks against Brady (first time this season) was monumental.

[Erzengel]

Yeah, I saw Shockey in the booth and thought "WTF? Why isn't he down there with his teammates?". It's not like they were in sub-zero temperatures or anything. They were in freaking Arizona. No reason for Shockey to not be on the field other than he's a jackass.

jag
I hope Boss takes his job. :o

[jaguarr]

I hope Boss takes his job. :o

Boss made some plays last night that lead me to believe that could happen, too.

jag

[Raiden]

Yeah, I saw Shockey in the booth and thought "WTF? Why isn't he down there with his teammates?". It's not like they were in sub-zero temperatures or anything. They were in freaking Arizona. No reason for Shockey to not be on the field other than he's a jackass.

jag

Somehow, I get the feeling that Shockley is pissed off that his team is making the SB run without him, and actually doing better without his presence, and he just can't deal with it. Therefore, he decided to distance himself from his teammates.

[Excel]

Who said Moss wont resign?

[Erzengel]

And isn't it funny Eli found his stride after he was gone. :o

[Erzengel]

Who said Moss wont resign?
I loved it that he b'tched til he was traded to the Pats because he wanted a win. :o

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ Stephen A Smith playing Big Brother to open the show...

[DBella]

I am going to repost what I wrote in the Super Bowl thread...

I want to congratulate the Giants. Their front four played lights out and Brady was rushed the entire game. I think the Giants front four was the key to the game but the Giants coverage in the secondary was also impressive. I think the Giants were able to stop the rush and force the Patriots to pass which in turn allowed them to tee off on the Patriots weakened offensive line. Heck of a defensive game plan.

The Patriots defense played pretty damn well the entire game, however they made some mistakes in the secondary and missed tackles which definately hurt them. Samuel missed an interception on the sideline that was a big key play, Hobbs blew the coverage on Burress on the game winning TD, up to three Patriots missing the sack on Manning on the game winning drive. These old men certainly looked old.

The Patriots offense was off key all night long up what seemed to be the game winning drive. The star of the offense all night was Wes Welker and Kevin Faulk made some key plays out of the backfield. Tom Brady was not Tom Brady. It was a valiant effort, but he was misfiring all night long. You can certainly credit the Giants defense with making Brady miss. Where the heck was Muroney all night? He had a kick return and then disappeared into the Giants front seven.

Now for the Giants offense, they showed up when it counted. Eli Manning looked Bradyesque on both TD drives. They made more big plays than the Patriots. They didn't abandon the run and complimented the run with the pass when applicable. Kudos to Manning who I have been killing all year long on the boards and otherwise. He was the Giant's "Giant Killer". I am thoroughly impressed with him now.

To me this tarnishes the Patriots season. Sure they wen't 18-0 going into the Superbowl, sure they shattered records. I understand that Brady broke the record for most touchdowns thrown in a single season. I understand Moss broke the recored for most touchdowns receiving in a single season. None of that matters though because they lost the Superbowl. That is how I feel, and I know that is how (The Patriots) feel. They will now be considered by some, including me, the 2nd best team of the 2007 season. The best team in the league being the Super Bowl Champions...New York Giants.

Congrats to the fans on the boards and the fans abroad. The Giants earned it and you fans deserve it.
You're a classy guy, Show and that's why I love you. If only Belichek could've said the same thing.

I still consider the Patriots to be a great team but they weren't the best team on the field last night. The best team is the team that beat a great team with an undefeated record; the NY Giants.

[Dark Donnie]

Does a good defensive game equate to a game sucking?

Keeping the Pats to 1 score in 3 quarters may not be as exciting as an offensive battle but I never was bored.

Also help that I actually was a fan of one of the teams and I just wasn't rooting for a team I liked more.

I didn't say a good defensive game sucks, but there were stretches were nothing happened, no big defensive stops or anything.

Im sure it does help:cwink:

[Alex The Great]

even though i hate the giant......gotta give em credit :up:

They fought hard through 3 tough games. week 17 against new england, Tampa, Dallas, Green Bay and now new england. they've had some tough games recently and they won em all (except week 17 of course)
So good on you NYG :up:

[jaguarr]

Somehow, I get the feeling that Shockley is pissed off that his team is making the SB run without him, and actually doing better without his presence, and he just can't deal with it. Therefore, he decided to distance himself from his teammates.

Like I said earlier, no reason for Shockey to not be on the field other than he's a jackass.

jag

[Showtime]

You're a classy guy, Show and that's why I love you. If only Belichek could've said the same thing.

I still consider the Patriots to be a great team but they weren't the best team on the field last night. The best team is the team that beat a great team with an undefeated record; the NY Giants.

Thanks Bella. :heart:

They are a great team, but the Giants were the best team this year. I agree.

[Alex The Great]

Thanks Bella. :heart:

They are a great team, but the Giants were the best team this year. I agree.
I wouldn't say best per say...but they did win the superbowl so.....:shrug:



I hope NYG v NE will become a big rivalry. I mean really big....

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ Tom Brady and Randy Moss pulling out of the Pro Bowl. Ah, come on.

[Erzengel]

Bob Costas was the only one who picked the Giants out of Carter, Collinsworth, Marino.

[Erzengel]

I wouldn't say best per say...but they did win the superbowl so.....:shrug:
They won the whole thing. :o


I hope NYG v NE will become a big rivalry. I mean really big....
Doubtful. Unless they meet in the Superbowl next year.

[Alex The Great]

lol@ Tom Brady and Randy Moss pulling out of the Pro Bowl. Ah, come on.
say wa???!!! :eek:

[Erzengel]

lol@ Tom Brady and Randy Moss pulling out of the Pro Bowl. Ah, come on.
Where did you hear that?

[Dark Donnie]

Can't wait till Moss starts acting up and starts running over meter maids again.

[Super_Ludacris]

say wa???!!! :eek:

Derek Anderson is replacing Brady and I didnt hear who replaced Moss. It just said on ESPNradio

[Dark Donnie]

Where did you hear that?

Randy Moss-WR-Patriots Feb. 4 - 1:56 pm et

Randy Moss pulled out of the Pro Bowl due to an injury suffered in the Patriots' Super Bowl loss.

Moss was on the field late in Sunday's game, so we can presume he just didn't want to play in the meaningless all-star game. Moss' place on the AFC roster went to Chad Johnson, who will play in his fifth straight Pro Bowl.
Source: Cincinnati Enquirer
:waa:

[Erzengel]

So who starts off Anderson, Roethlisberger, Manning?

[Super_Ludacris]

Can't wait till Moss starts acting up and starts running over meter maids again.

Nah Randy dont get down like that.

[Dark Donnie]

Brady out of Pro Bowl (http://www.sportinglife.com/nfl/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/08/02/04/GRIDIRON_USA-Pro_Bowl.html)


Chad Johnson is replacing Moss

[Dark Donnie]

Nah Randy dont get down like that.

Now maybe, He did before

[jaguarr]

Man, all kinds of crazy news over at ESPN's NFL Page (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/index). Specter is calling a meeting with Gooddell and things could get ugly over "Spygate". Charles Grant got stabbed in the neck at a nightclub. Spagnuolo is definitely talking to the Skins. Didn't see anything about Brady and Moss pulling out of the Pro Bowl, though.

jag

[Alex The Great]

un acceptable! :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :indy: :waa:

[Dark Donnie]

Man, all kinds of crazy news over at ESPN's NFL Page (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/index). Specter is calling a meeting with Gooddell and things could get ugly over "Spygate". Charles Grant got stabbed in the neck at a nightclub. Spagnuolo is definitely talking to the Skins. Didn't see anything about Brady and Moss pulling out of the Pro Bowl, though.

jag



Spags
Giants Defense-TM- Giants Feb. 4 - 10:38 am et


A league source told the Washington Times that Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo doesn't feel ready to be a head coach yet.

Spagnuolo's remarkable and successful Super Bowl game plan undoubtedly upped his head coaching stock in Redskins owner Dan Snyder's eyes. Spags will interview with Snyder on Tuesday, but it seems unlikely that he'll want the job with defensive coordinator Greg Blache already in place.
Source: Washington Times
Related: Redskins

Coughlin
Giants Offense-TM-Giants Feb. 4 - 2:46 pm et

Giants GM Jerry Reese says negotiations about a long-term contract for coach Tom Coughlin will "begin soon."

"Who knows? Tom might not want to come back," Reese joked. "He might want to ride off into the sunset." Owner John Mara set Reese straight: "I can't see (Coughlin) playing shuffleboard." Mara virtually guaranteed Coughlin a new deal earlier this winter, before the Giants upset the unbeaten Patriots.
Source: New York Daily News

I heard about Grant, heard a Pregnant woman was killed as well :(

[Super_Ludacris]

That Spygate thing is people making a big deal.

But anyway..

I swear to god, this decade is defined by complacency when it comes to Sports.

[Dark Donnie]

That Spygate thing is people making a big deal.

But anyway..

I swear to god, this decade is defined by complacency when it comes to Sports.

I don't think it is.....people(not you) always say its just a sport, why is congress getting involved. The NFL is a multi billion dollar industry, if a scandal is uncovered that can potentially effect one team winning games and making tons of money I think its an issue that needs to be addressed.

[Erzengel]

Government should stay out of Entertainment, Sports, etc.

[Dark Donnie]

Government should stay out of Entertainment, Sports, etc.

The NFL obviously didn't do a good job with the Spygate thing the first time.

[Showtime]

I wouldn't say best per say...but they did win the superbowl so.....:shrug:



I hope NYG v NE will become a big rivalry. I mean really big....

They really won't have much chance to be a rivalry.

In regards to the Giants, they won the Super Bowl, they are the best team in the league in my opinion.

[Dark Donnie]

They really won't have much chance to be a rivalry.

In regards to the Giants, they won the Super Bowl, they are the best team in the league in my opinion.

I agree.

It also makes me feel better as an Eagles Fan. I don't think were that far off from them. Played them tough at the end of the year, and the first time we had no Westbrook.

[Super_Ludacris]

I don't think it is.....people(not you) always say its just a sport, why is congress getting involved. The NFL is a multi billion dollar industry, if a scandal is uncovered that can potentially effect one team winning games and making tons of money I think its an issue that needs to be addressed.

Man hell no...

Congress was created to help and debate the issues both domestically and internationally that matter from a social and political standpoint. Not this BS

We gonna make a big deal out of some intern or whatever videoing a walk through practice of a football team but we gonna ignore Darfur or not lobby to send aid or help sort out the inner city neighbourhoods.

Its beyond retarted. Its hardly the steriod issue. I mean filming the game is hardly the same as enchancing your abilites athletically. Its some BS and its a moot point. No one gives a **** and the cold hard fact of the matter is, if it was anyone else's team the same fans would be saying likewise. We stupid as hell for making this a big deal.

[The Game]

Just watching the match again, if Brady had connected on that 3rd down in 4th with the 71 yard bomb to Moss I think my heart would have exploded, it was wild how close those passes were.

[Showtime]

I agree.

It also makes me feel better as an Eagles Fan. I don't think were that far off from them. Played them tough at the end of the year, and the first time we had no Westbrook.

The toughest games this year for the Patriots were Colts, Baltimore, Eagles, and Giants.

[Dark Donnie]

Man hell no...

Congress was created to help and debate the issues both domestically and internationally that matter from a social and political standpoint. Not this BS

We gonna make a big deal out of some intern or whatever videoing a walk through practice of a football team but we gonna ignore Darfur or not lobby to send aid or help sort out the inner city neighbourhoods.

Its beyond retarted. Its hardly the steriod issue. I mean filming the game is hardly the same as enchancing your abilites athletically. Its some BS and its a moot point. No one gives a **** and the cold hard fact of the matter is, if it was anyone else's team the same fans would be saying likewise. We stupid as hell for making this a big deal.

Off another board

You do realize that NFL football is a business, they deliver a product that citizens pay for... don't you? The Patriots and Goodell may have tampered with a product and the citizens are not getting the product that they pay for. That is why they have jurisdiction over this and can subpoena people.


This is in regards to the Anti Trust Exemption that may be revoked as a result:

The NFL is essentially a regulated monopoly on Football in the US. In other businesses, new companies spring up all the time to attempt to grab market share and profits away from established competitors; in football the League has absolute control over who gets new franchises, due to an exemption from anti-trust laws granted by the government.

If the NFL were found to be giving certain teams advantages or otherwise unfairly influencing games, this exemption can be revoked.

[Immortalfire]

Moss and Brady hurt. Right. :whatever:

[Dark Donnie]

The toughest games this year for the Patriots were Colts, Baltimore, Eagles, and Giants.

We blew it with all those Int's towards the end, otherwise they played them really well.

[Showtime]

Moss and Brady hurt. Right. :whatever:

Their feelings.

[Immortalfire]

Their feelings.

Indeed.

[Super_Ludacris]

Off another board

I love the fact that instead of thinking about it yourself you took a quote from another board which is uses little logic. So ****ing what if the NFL is a bilion dollar business, does that still mean congress needs to step in over something? There's unethical practices in businesses all the time some minor, some major.The Government doesnt always step in and this is not a business move either.

How did Goddell tamper with the "product"? He didnt tell the Pats to film the Jets.

Use your head though Donnie: Are the only 2 cases (one which is a rumour at this point btw) gonna impact or further impact the defciet of the economy? No. If we inflict penalities on New England, is our economy saved enough to become a surplus? No.Is it gonna allow the Patroits to become a monopoly from a business standpoint and "Takeover and buy out" smaller ball clubs? No, its football everyone makes money.
2 cases of a team videotaping is hardly worth the US Congress stepping. Do you know how bloddy retarded it sounds. Congress didnt have to step in the Tim Donoghay situation. One can even debate if they needed to in the steriod allegations in Baseball but with that what we have was a situation where it was directly effecting the athletic evolution of the game. Videotapping a practice is hardly the same.
All you need is the NFL to penalise the Patroits and that is the end of the story. You dont need some congressmen trying to make a name for himself somehow when everything else he has done never got attention.


Yeah its unethical cheating but it doesnt need the bloddy congress, the same idiots that botch **** like Iraq. **** em....

[Jerry!]

You type like you are bloody retarded.

[jaguarr]

I love the fact that instead of thinking about it yourself you took a quote from another board which is uses little logic. So ****ing what if the NFL is a bilion dollar business, does that still mean congress needs to step in over something? There's unethical practices in businesses all the time some minor, some major.The Government doesnt always step in and this is not a business move either.

How did Goddell tamper with the "product"? He didnt tell the Pats to film the Jets.

Use your head though Donnie: Are the only 2 cases (one which is a rumour at this point btw) gonna impact or further impact the defciet of the economy? No. If we inflict penalities on New England, is our economy saved enough to become a surplus? No.Is it gonna allow the Patroits to become a monopoly from a business standpoint and "Takeover and buy out" smaller ball clubs? No, its football everyone makes money.
2 cases of a team videotaping is hardly worth the US Congress stepping. Do you know how bloddy retarded it sounds. Congress didnt have to step in the Tim Donoghay situation. One can even debate if they needed to in the steriod allegations in Baseball but with that what we have was a situation where it was directly effecting the athletic evolution of the game. Videotapping a practice is hardly the same.
All you need is the NFL to penalise the Patroits and that is the end of the story. You dont need some congressmen trying to make a name for himself somehow when everything else he has done never got attention.


Yeah its unethical cheating but it doesnt need the bloddy congress, the same idiots that botch **** like Iraq. **** em....

I have a feeling the Pats are hardly the only team to videotape their competition like that, they just happened to get caught. I agree it's probably overkill for Congress to get involved in this, but then again, it's Arlen Specter so what do you expect?

jag

[Super_Ludacris]

You type like you are bloody retarded.

I dont give a ****. I am so sick and tired of people thinking Congress has to be involved in everything. Much less Sports and Music.

I dont even care for the Pats. But this situation does NOT need congress to involve itself.
A series of videotapped practices is hardly gonna cause such a shift of finances in the league.

[Showtime]

We blew it with all those Int's towards the end, otherwise they played them really well.

You have to punch the Patriots in the mouth, you can't play passive defenses against them like the Jaguars and Chargers did. Eventually they will come get you.

[Dark Donnie]

I don't know, my feeling is that this whole spygate thing could have effected the outcome of games, potentially a Superbowl then its something that needs to be examined further. The NFL definately laid the hammer down on The Pats, I didn't have any issue with that, but Goddell requested all video tapes, and asked about specfic games that were taped. If reports are true and there are other tapes, then the investigation wasn't a complete success. Maybe someone else needs to do dig a little deeper this time.

[Dark Donnie]

In regards to the Pats next year, a couple of articles suggest that it may come down to either Moss or Samuel. There not 100% that both will be able to get in under the cap. Stallworth is gone.

[Super_Ludacris]

I don't know, my feeling is that this whole spygate thing could have effected the outcome of games, potentially a Superbowl then its something that needs to be examined further. The NFL definately laid the hammer down on The Pats, I didn't have any issue with that, but Goddell requested all video tapes, and asked about specfic games that were taped. If reports are true and there are other tapes, then the investigation wasn't a complete success. Maybe someone else needs to do dig a little deeper this time.


Its still up to the teams on the field.

Look all we now is that this issue was dealt with after week 1 and now some rumour pops up on Superbowl weekend of them filming 6 years earlier. Coincidence? no.
I still dont see how videotapping practices is as bad as steriods. Its lame and unethical and shows how desperate Belichik is to win but when consider some practices are open to the public and you can read team's plays on old video tapes of games, its not like it ruins a so called era.
Its like Jag says some people and some teams may do it a lot but if you really think about it: It still hardly warrants congress and how do you expect to forsee such a thing? Anyone can spy on anyone? At least they caught em out and now its done. In a year of Pacman and Vick's trouble, this was bad but not Awful. I just dont see it being this big mushroom cloud of a disaster for the NFL.

[Showtime]

I think this is completely ridiculous. It is obvious that Arlen Specter was trying to cause a distraction, why would this be released during Super Bowl Week. Not that it mattered. Nevermind the 3rd in command for the Patriots Video Team. There is no evidence thus far that the Patriots taped the Rams walkthrough or that there was anything incriminating on those tapes. It's crazy.

[Dark Donnie]

I think this is completely ridiculous. It is obvious that Arlen Specter was trying to cause a distraction, why would this be released during Super Bowl Week. Not that it mattered. Nevermind the 3rd in command for the Patriots Video Team. There is no evidence thus far that the Patriots taped the Rams walkthrough or that there was anything incriminating on those tapes. It's crazy.

I agree, my whole stance is if there is tapes. I'll reserve judgement till something more concrete comes out.

[Erzengel]

More fans would have cared if the Pats went 19-0.

[Super_Ludacris]

Well it was the highest rated Superbowl ever and the second highest viewed show in the history of TV

wow@ 97.3 Million


Only a Boston-NY matchup could do that.....

[Jerry!]

I'm sure if Favre and the Packers made it it would be right up there as well, maybe more.

[Super_Ludacris]

Or the Cowboys.....

[NewYorkSpider]

After my 3 day trip of getting drunk and watching the Super Bowl, I'd like to give you my thoughts on the Super Bowl 42.

First off, I would like to congratulate the New York Giants on winning Super Bowl XLII. You guys had a spectacular run through the playoffs. I underestimated you, I looked past you and I said you weren't going to do it. I was wrong.

As for the Patriots and their fans, I'm not going to come in here and say I told you so. The Patriots had an unbelievable season and had this Super Bowl in their grasp. I had New England winning this game 31-20 because I didn't think the Giants were going to pull it off. I also wanted the Pats to win so they would shut up the '72 Dolphins.

1st half was boring as hell , but both defenses played very great though. I was expecting a high scoring game like we saw in week 17. After Maroney scored the Patriots first TD, I thought they were going to take control from there.

Halftime = Cigarettes and Food

Third Quarter - http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

The fourth quarter had to have been one of the greatest 4th quarters I have ever seen. Manning ducking and swerving to avoid a sack and to throw it down field to David Tyree who himself made a spectacular catch. Then the touchdown by Buress. Just an amazing set of plays they put together to cap off one of the greatest drives in Super Bowl history.

I'm not going to comment on Belichick's early exit.

I again want to congratualte Eli Manning, Tom Coughlin and the rest of the Giants organization on a job well done. You're the best team in football.

[dr venture]

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[Jerry!]

I again want to congratualte Eli Manning, Tom Coughlin and the rest of the Giants organization on a job well done. You're the best team in football.

What do you think about Eli getting the MVP? I've heard the arguments that the defense should have gotten it, either the front line as a whole or single out one of them, Jonathan Tuck in specific. But I think Eli getting it was the right call. I think of it like this:

The Giants defense played great BUT they allowed that methodical almost expected Brady drive down the field late in the 4th and left Moss open in the end zone for what looked to be the game winning TD. They couldn't hold them to a field goal, they couldn't keep them from the end zone when it mattered the most. In the end it all ended up on Manning's shoulders and he led them when no one thought he had a chance at that point.

[Excel]

Whats horrible is this one:

http://i25.tinypic.com/m94rxy.jpg

shows every pat is being held-their face is to eli and hes moving to them yet they cant get to him and theres nothing inbetween them....
whatever, Giants played better obv and well have next season to shut up all the haters again.

I loved it that he b'tched til he was traded to the Pats because he wanted a win. :o

I think next season we may just be better than we were this time. This was our season to "gel" and "get used" to each other...

[KALEL114]

What do you think about Eli getting the MVP? I've heard the arguments that the defense should have gotten it, either the front line as a whole or single out one of them, Jonathan Tuck in specific. But I think Eli getting it was the right call. I think of it like this:



The Giants defense played great BUT they allowed that methodical almost expected Brady drive down the field late in the 4th and left Moss open in the end zone for what looked to be the game winning TD. They couldn't hold them to a field goal, they couldn't keep them from the end zone when it mattered the most. In the end it all ended up on Manning's shoulders and he led them when no one thought he had a chance at that point.

But the defense played well enough to allow Eli a chance to win it in the end. It could very well have been 31-10 if not for the defense at that point, given the expolsiveness of the NE offense. Just my two cents.

[Showtime]

I had New England winning this game 31-20.

I had that exact score!

[Excel]

Its a conspiracy!1 The NFL planned this from the very begining! Let the cheaters go perfect but take it away when it counts! Hell, they even hired Tom Petty and the HEARTBREAKERS!

[NewYorkSpider]

What do you think about Eli getting the MVP? I've heard the arguments that the defense should have gotten it, either the front line as a whole or single out one of them, Jonathan Tuck in specific. But I think Eli getting it was the right call. I think of it like this:

The Giants defense played great BUT they allowed that methodical almost expected Brady drive down the field late in the 4th and left Moss open in the end zone for what looked to be the game winning TD. They couldn't hold them to a field goal, they couldn't keep them from the end zone when it mattered the most. In the end it all ended up on Manning's shoulders and he led them when no one thought he had a chance at that point.

I agree with you. I believe it was the right call to give Eli the MVP, and here's why. This game came down to the 4th quarter where most of the points came. You can argue that the Giants defense held the Patriots to 7 points for three quarters, but like you said, they allowed the Patriots to drive down the field late in the 4th for a TD when the game matterd the most. Justin Tuck played amazing with 2 sacks, but Eli won them this game with that amazing drive and play.

[Mister J]

The QB pretty much gets MVP off default unless someone has a truly noteworthy game. I felt that D-Line was at the heart of that victory and thought there was an outside chance of a split Tuck/Strahan vote. However, seeing that neither was so exceptional that it would have warranted singling them out, I knew Eli would get it. I would have picked the split vote or said to hell with it and cited them all.

The Giants D gave up the go-ahead TD and Eli manned the team like a champ right after to win the game, but I marveled at what a phenomenal job the defense had done throughout the whole game. It was unreal how they got to Brady. If prior to the game, someone would have said that New York's pass rush would harass Brady all night, sacking him 5 times and the Patriots would only score 14 points (half of that coming in the final stages of the game), the subsequent amount of laughter would have been insane. The defense pulled the wagon yesterday.

[Super_Ludacris]

Eli Swaggin FTW!

[NewYorkSpider]

I had that exact score!

I knew both defenses were good, but I thought it was going to be a more high scoring game.

[Jerry!]

I agree with you. I believe it was the right call to give Eli the MVP, and here's why. This game came down to the 4th quarter where most of the points came. You can argue that the Giants defense held the Patriots to 7 points for three quarters, but like you said, they allowed the Patriots to drive down the field late in the 4th for a TD when the game matterd the most. Justin Tuck played amazing with 2 sacks, but Eli won them this game with that amazing drive and play.

Right. The Patriots defense is going to be remembered in that game for playing well but not well enough in the most critical times. That's basically what the Giant's defense would have been remembered as too if Eli hadn't marched them down the field and won it.

[Showtime]

I knew both defenses were good, but I thought it was going to be a more high scoring game.

I did as well.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Its a conspiracy!1 The NFL planned this from the very begining! Let the cheaters go perfect but take it away when it counts! Hell, they even hired Tom Petty and the HEARTBREAKERS!

Speaking of the haltime preformance, which wasn't terrible by any means. Isn't it time for a band like the Foo Fighters to get their super bowl due? Dave Grohl would bring in even more viewers, if not to watch the halftime show.

[Dark Donnie]

The QB pretty much gets MVP off default unless someone has a truly noteworthy game. I felt that D-Line was at the heart of that victory and thought there was an outside chance of a split Tuck/Strahan vote. However, seeing that neither was so exceptional that it would have warranted singling them out, I knew Eli would get it. I would have picked the split vote or said to hell with it and cited them all.

The Giants D gave up the go-ahead TD and Eli manned the team like a champ right after to win the game, but I marveled at what a phenomenal job the defense had done throughout the whole game. It was unreal how they got to Brady. If prior to the game, someone would have said that New York's pass rush would harass Brady all night, sacking him 5 times and the Patriots would only score 14 points (half of that coming in the final stages of the game), the subsequent amount of laughter would have been insane. The defense pulled the wagon yesterday.

I had no problem with Eli getting it, in the end it was he who won them that game. I mean The Giants D played great they did, but Brady still went right down the field on them when it counted, what did Eli do? Drove it right down the field for the winning score. Plus does anyone get more **** in the NFL then Eli? Kinda felt good for him when he got it.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Plus does anyone get more **** in the NFL then Eli? Kinda felt good for him when he got it.

Yeah, I'm appaled at the level of arrogance the New York media, (and some fans) show for the lack of patience with their local sports figures. It didn't help that he is Peyton's brother, and had the whole San Diego/New York draft trade thing. Eli only has been to the playoffs in the first 3 seasons he was a full time starter. I mean, christ. He was so terrible. How dare he make the playoffs three straight years, and finally win the Super Bowl in his 4th year in the league.

[Raiden]

Speaking of the haltime preformance, which wasn't terrible by any means. Isn't it time for a band like the Foo Fighters to get their super bowl due? Dave Grohl would bring in even more viewers, if not to watch the halftime show.

I agree 100%. I love Foo Fighter and, no offense to Tom Petty, but I don't think viewers nowadays would get excited over an aged rock star from the 70's. Foo Fighter is the band of the new millennium, and they should be performing at the half time show.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I agree 100%. I love Foo Fighter and, no offense to Tom Petty, but I don't think viewers nowadays would get excited over an aged rock star from the 70's. Foo Fighter is the band of the new millennium, and they should be performing at the half time show.

Yeah, the only thing I didn't like about the show was all the people in crowd, happy and dancing, who probably aren't familar with Tom Petty to begin with. Foo Fighters right now, would be the perfect Rock band to put out there. I also wouldn't mind to see Red Hot Chili Peppers, White Stripes, or mabye even The Killers as far as successful mainstream rock groups are concerned.

[Cmill216]

I have a hard time calling that Escape and Catch the greatest play in SB history. I won't deny that it's one of the single greatest plays I've ever seen, but how the hell can you beat a championship saving tackle at the one yard line with no time left?

Mike Jones FTW. Kevin Dyson FTL.

[Jerry!]

I have a hard time calling that Escape and Catch the greatest play in SB history. I won't deny that it's one of the single greatest plays I've ever seen, but how the hell can you beat a championship saving tackle at the one yard line with no time left?

Mike Jones FTW. Kevin Dyson FTL.


I guess probably because it is seen as the "emerging" of Eli Manning and of what it led to- the defeat of the then perfect Patriots in one of the most shocking games of all time. Kevin Dyson's diving attempt at the endzone was dramatic and exciting to say the least, but there was no other kind of historic overtones in that game in the caliber that there was in this year's Super Bowl. There were no other consequences after that game was over for the losing team. Eli Manning and the Giants essentially stopped history from being made and re-wrote it with that throw and catch. If Eli gets sacked, or that ball is dropped or maybe intercepted, the Patriots become the greatest single season team of all time, Brady becomes the greatest QB of all time no question and the Pats dynasty is in the argument of being the best of all time as well. None of that happened because of that play.

[Erzengel]

Yeah, I'm appaled at the level of arrogance the New York media, (and some fans) show for the lack of patience with their local sports figures. It didn't help that he is Peyton's brother, and had the whole San Diego/New York draft trade thing. Eli only has been to the playoffs in the first 3 seasons he was a full time starter. I mean, christ. He was so terrible. How dare he make the playoffs three straight years, and finally win the Super Bowl in his 4th year in the league.
That would be any "insert" city here. Fans are fickle, low on patience and shorter memories.

[Cmill216]

I guess probably because it is seen as the "emerging" of Eli Manning and of what it led to- the defeat of the then perfect Patriots in one of the most shocking games of all time. Kevin Dyson's diving attempt at the endzone was dramatic and exciting to say the least, but there was no other kind of historic overtones in that game in the caliber that there was in this year's Super Bowl. Eli Manning and the Giants essentially stopped history from being made with that throw and catch.

And see, I understand that, and I thought it was a remarkable play. But I don't think it's better than a tackle that physically won a football game, preventing the opposition from scoring within just a few feet.

And Eli and the Giants didn't stop history with that play. That play merely helped continue that drive, a drive that would eventually end on the actual play that prevented history. Not to take away from how spectacular it was, but I just don't think it's as great as the tackle.

[LegendaryCaleb]

2008 = Lions in the Playoffs???

*Crosses Fingers*

[Fran]

Heh, they'll be like 8-0 and then collapse.

[Kelly]

In the end......it was all about the karma.....

[LegendaryCaleb]

Heh, they'll be like 8-0 and then collapse.
i still have faith!
any news on if stanton will get a chance this year?

[Johnny Blaze]

To be honest, the first 3 quarters stunk, The fourth was great though.

Screw that. The second and third quarter were the best of the game. :up:

But that's only because I made $450 off of those two quarters is all. :o

[Excel]

I enjoyed Tom Petty a lot

[Mister J]

Petty was entertaining.

His performance, the Iron Man commercial and kickoff were the only things really of note to me prior to the second half.

[Fran]

Tom Petty was great, but he needed to shave the beard. :o

Also, "Free Fallin'" was the best song of the night, because it predicted what would happen to New England.

[Johnny Blaze]

Petty was entertaining.

His performance, the Iron Man commercial and kickoff were the only things really of note to me prior to the second half.

The Doritos commercial where the giant rat burst through the wall and beat the crap out of that guy who was waiting to see a mouse get caught in the trap was funny too.

And the whole Night At the Roxbury/Pepsi commercial with Chris Kattan was worth a chuckle. :up:

[Alex The Great]

well, another season is gone :csad:

Please god. Work on our O Line and defense. there getting old...

[Fran]

I hope this causes the fall of the Patriots.

Also, Psycho, don't take the loss so hard. I've done that before, and all it does is make you look silly.

The last time I cried over a sporting even was game 7 Pistons/Spurs finals. 3 minutes from a repeat... gone.

Losses come. It happens. It's a part of life. Move on, stop being sad.

[Alex The Great]

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:csad:
i'm kinda thinking it WILL. not a complete downfall......but a miss the afc champoinship game. then slowly we'll keep going down until were the mimai dolphins of football....then in 2015 we go 19-0 :ninja:
Mark it down :csad: :up:

[Alex The Great]

I hope this causes the fall of the Patriots.

Also, Psycho, don't take the loss so hard. I've done that before, and all it does is make you look silly.

The last time I cried over a sporting even was game 7 Pistons/Spurs finals. 3 minutes from a repeat... gone.

Losses come. It happens. It's a part of life. Move on, stop being sad.
i'm not actually crying lol.....just bummed...

[Excel]

I dont see this making them "fall"...they will be better next season.

For real, mark my words....yall think they played thinking they had something to prove this year, just wait till next season.

Going 16-0 shows more about your competition than it doesnhow good you imo and its always been that. Winning a super bowl shows how good you are. That said, the Pats are capible of playing better than they did.

[Fran]

They won't go 16-0 again, though.

Didn't I say it a while ago? They needed to lose, to get the pressure off of being undefeated.