Official Oswald " The Penguin " Cobblepot thread

[Otto Octavius]

I'd say Bob Hoskins or Sean Astin

[Mr.E.Nygma]

I got an casting idea we don't hear often for Penguin, and he would be good :
Mr. John Rhys-Davies

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061004/244.hitchcock.alfred.100206.jpg

Oh, he's dead.

[MiniBond]

http://delirium.lejournal.free.fr/jack_black1.jpg
With good makeup he could totally do it !

[Darkfly]

Danny Devito or Jack Black

[union_jak]

Love the spelling of 'Penguin' :up:

After watching that BBC drama Maxwell, I'd say David Suchet would be decent, but my first choice is Bob Hoskins.

Unless they could get Danny Devito to replay it.

[DX]

Who's Pinguine? :huh:

:cwink:

[MiniBond]

Love the spelling of 'Penguin' :up:

After watching that BBC drama Maxwell, I'd say David Suchet would be decent, but my first choice is Bob Hoskins.




Yeaaaah Suchet ! Totally blows !!! I love Hercule Poirot !:heart: :heart: Thx for the idea


http://metamedia.stanford.edu/imagebin/suchet.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/programmes/images/DavidSuchet.jpg

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

David Suchet is a great actor.

[union_jak]

Yeaaaah Suchet ! Totally blows !!! I love Hercule Poirot !:heart: :heart: Thx for the idea



David Suchet is a great actor.
Did either of you watch Maxwell? He practically played the Penguin in that.

[MiniBond]

Nope but I remember him playing also a villain in an action movie I can't remember the name of !

But he was amazingly scary !:woot: :cwink:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

http://www.sf-radio.net/biographien/bilder/john_rhys_davies.jpg
http://www.indianajones.dk/Webside/Billeder/Indy-side/Hvor%20er%20de%20nu/John%20Rhys-Davies.jpg

[MiniBond]

SALLAH !!!!!:woot: :trans:

[batboy99]

lets NOT suggest devito, he already had his shot, whats the fun of reusing actors for the same parts in new franchises? Lets get someone new for penguin

[Mr.E.Nygma]

yeah, and when someone tries to suggest someone new (i suggested rhys-davies and someone mentioned jack black), we always get the same names Bob Hoskins, David Suchet and Ian McShane.

[batboy99]

well, true, but those are still different suggestions as opposed ot people still mentioning devito

[MiniBond]

I found it....Executive decision...not a fantastic movie but I remember Suchet played a ****ing crual terrorist....

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/5671.jpg


The amazing thing is that I dind't recognize Suchet at first, looking at the main terrorist he plays....that's only when I saw the credits that I realized: "Wooooo the so nice Poirot playing a terrorist !":wow: :woot:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

steven seagal in a supporting role? can't believe it! lol

[MiniBond]

steven seagal in a supporting role? can't believe it! lol
Steven Seagal in a role...can't believe it !:woot: :cwink: :wow:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Lol!!!!

[MiniBond]

But I always had a feeling for Steven...he's touching !:woot: :woot:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Definately, he has something! He has the ability to stay SO natural from a role to the other!

http://blog.pasclasse.info/images/image/Steven_Seagal_Emotion_Chart.jpg
LOL

[MiniBond]

That's acting !:woot: :woot:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Steven Seagal for the Penguin! Manip please!!!! LOLz

[MiniBond]

I'd be afraid of the result !:woot:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

I'll try a fast shot!

[MiniBond]

I'll search protection !:woot:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Here it is, quicky one, but it screams TEH LOLZ

http://www.piczs.com/is.php?i=37591&img=quickseagalpeng.jpg

[MiniBond]

http://www.icone-gif.com/gif/emoticones-gros/content/emot95.gif

[Killing Joke926]

Bob Hoskins or Robin Williams for me.

[MiniBond]

Williams would work out !:cwink:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

http://www.icone-gif.com/gif/emoticones-gros/content/emot95.gif
Thanks, and BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH indeed!

[Mr.E.Nygma]

But Robin Williams is still bitter about him being a Nicholson trap in 1989
Plus, he wanted to be Joekr in the Nolan verse as well

Not sure he would accept...

[MiniBond]

Chris, we have your Penguin if you want !:woot:

[Two-Face]

There is only one man could play "The Penguin" is Bob Hoskins.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Here it is, quicky one, but it screams TEH LOLZ

http://www.piczs.com/is.php?i=37591&img=quickseagalpeng.jpg

lul

[Laderlappen]

No Penguin please. No Pinguine either.

[MiniBond]

There is only one man could play "The Penguin" is Bob Hoskins.
I have others !

[Mr.E.Nygma]

So do I! Please folks, try be more original than always proposing Bob Hoskins or David Suchet... long ago there was a debate for Joker, includin Crispin Glover, than it became a fight between Lachy Hulme and Paul Bettany and look who we got and we're glad we got...

[MiniBond]

So do I! Please folks, try be more original than always proposing Bob Hoskins or David Suchet... long ago there was a debate for Joker, includin Crispin Glover, than it became a fight between Lachy Hulme and Paul Bettany and look who we got and we're glad we got...
Well ....I never heard Suchet being mentioned for the part myself !!!!:cwink: And let's not forget that there are not a lot of actors to play these parts in the batworld (not only the penguin)...the real challenge would be to find a semi/completely unknown actor to play it !:woot: :cwink:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

^Suchet is actually the second overabused name to be suggested for the Penguin cast.

As for the semi or completely unknown, that is always interesting, it makes us discovers new talents and it helps their career

[MiniBond]

^Suchet is actually the second overabused name to be suggested for the Penguin cast.


Well last page was the first time I heard his name !:woot:



As for the semi or completely unknown, that is always interesting, it makes us discovers new talents and it helps their career
But hard to think about !:cwink:

[Otto Octavius]

I got an casting idea we don't hear often for Penguin, and he would be good :
Mr. John Rhys-Davies

He could pull it off :hyper:

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061004/244.hitchcock.alfred.100206.jpg

Oh, he's dead.

LOL :woot:


Here it is, quicky one, but it screams TEH LOLZ

http://www.piczs.com/is.php?i=37591&img=quickseagalpeng.jpg

LOLZ :woot: :woot:

Bob Hoskins or Robin Williams for me.

Williams could do it but i'd prefer Hoskins

There is only one man could play "The Penguin" is Bob Hoskins.

Perfect

No Penguin please. No Pinguine either.

Sorry, I didn't mean to add the ''e'' t the end :O

[chamber-music]

David Suchet or Bob Hoskins

[Otto Octavius]

David Suchet could pull it off

[MiniBond]

I think I'd prefer Suchet above all of them !

[Otto Octavius]

I think I'd prefer Suchet above all of them !

He'd be my Second pic after Hoskins

[MiniBond]

:woot: I'd be curious to see how Mr Funny guy Jack Black would handle the part !:cwink:

[Killing Joke926]

No Penguin please. No Pinguine either.

Not Penguin, but Oswald Cobblepot; a rich weapons arm dealer who'd have a pretty important cameo.

[Otto Octavius]

Not Penguin, but Oswald Cobblepot; a rich weapons arm dealer who'd have a pretty important cameo.

I Think Pinguin for be great for the third movie

[Killing Joke926]

I'd first have Hoskins; for second runner up, how do guys feel about Ian Holme.

[MiniBond]

I Think Pinguin for be great for the third movie
i doubt this will happen !

[jmc]

I've always thought Paul Giamatti would be an interesting choice as Penguin, but that's just me.

[Bat-Mite]

Seagal as the Penguin = epic lulz. If they'd kept Schumacher at the helm, we might've actually seen that happen! XD

[Cyrusbales]

I recentley saw a trailer for "be kind, Re-wind" and I suddenly have respect for Jack Black! But only a little, Bob Hoskins would be a better choice overall!

[Otto Octavius]

i doubt this will happen !

Why?

I'd first have Hoskins; for second runner up, how do guys feel about Ian Holme.

Holm maybe could do it

I've always thought Paul Giamatti would be an interesting choice as Penguin, but that's just me.

He could pull it off

I recentley saw a trailer for "be kind, Re-wind" and I suddenly have respect for Jack Black! But only a little, Bob Hoskins would be a better choice overall!

With out a doubt

[Mr.E.Nygma]

how do guys feel about Ian Holme.I think he would be pretty good! Especially since he's no typical Penguin cast (Hoskins and Suchet) we read all along every batcasting threads!

[MiniBond]

Why?




I'm not sure the penguin will be in the third one....we have enough with Two face, Cats and Joker ! Let's not turn this into a monster parade!

But I'v been wrong before !:woot:

[Cyrusbales]

I'm not sure the penguin will be in the third one....we have enough with Two face, Cats and Joker ! Let's not turn this into a monster parade!

But I'v been wrong before !:woot:

So have I, who'd of thought she had a penis......

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Catwoman is confirmed for the third?

and lol @ cyrusbales comment

[MiniBond]

Catwoman is confirmed for the third?

and lol @ cyrusbales comment
there's a strong rumor of Selina being mentioned at the end of the movie ! It's part of the script I think !


And I didn' get the joke sorry :woot: :woot: (I should be in bed now but I don't want to...)!

[Laderlappen]

+ Nolan have said that he don't want Penguin in the movies.

[Mr. Socko]

Yes, we will not get the Penguin in a Chris Nolan bat-film, he's said he thought the character was bland and wasn't interested in using him.

But for casting after Nolan has done his trilogy, I'd say the typical Bob Hoskins choice. I think he'd be great. Paul Giamatti is also a very interesting choice.

But I must say, Danny Devito is the perfect Penguin in every way. And I don't mean in terms of Batman Returns either. He's the right size, build, and height and he's a good actor. He could easily master any version of the Penguin. The campy maniacal Penguin, the dark and twisted Penguin, or the normal arms dealer and club owner Penguin. Devito would be perfect at playing any version of them. It just so happens to be, he played the twisted Burton version in BR.

[killingyouguy]

Ian McShane would OWN Penguin

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane05.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane07.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane02.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane04.jpg

[Otto Octavius]

I'm not sure the penguin will be in the third one....we have enough with Two face, Cats and Joker ! Let's not turn this into a monster parade!

But I'v been wrong before !:woot:
I Think they could make it work

So have I, who'd of thought she had a penis......
LOLZ
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd95/samskywalker_2007/111rm-2.gif
+ Nolan have said that he don't want Penguin in the movies.

Where's the link then?

[Laderlappen]

Yes, we will not get the Penguin in a Chris Nolan bat-film, he's said he thought the character was bland and wasn't interested in using him.

But for casting after Nolan has done his trilogy, I'd say the typical Bob Hoskins choice. I think he'd be great. Paul Giamatti is also a very interesting choice.

But I must say, Danny Devito is the perfect Penguin in every way. And I don't mean in terms of Batman Returns either. He's the right size, build, and height and he's a good actor. He could easily master any version of the Penguin. The campy maniacal Penguin, the dark and twisted Penguin, or the normal arms dealer and club owner Penguin. Devito would be perfect at playing any version of them. It just so happens to be, he played the twisted Burton version in BR.After the trilogy? What's the point THEN?

Where's the link then?Probably in a museum or something.

[Bishop]

three words, one name:

philip seymour hoffman.

[Otto Octavius]

three words, one name:

philip seymour hoffman.


I Never thought about him before :wow:
He'd be AWESOME!!!

[Mr. Socko]

After the trilogy? What's the point THEN?


Maybe the fact that they'll make more Batman movies after Nolan has done a trilogy and they will also need to be cast?

[Otto Octavius]

Maybe the fact that they'll make more Batman movies after Nolan has done a trilogy and they will also need to be cast?

They allready said that this trilogy is called Year 1 so i'm sure after Nolan's done another dude will come along wanting to do year 2,
and I'm sure there gonna have robin in there :whatever:

[jmc]

^ I have serious doubts that there will be any more than 3 films in this series.

[Laderlappen]

Yeah, I don't think anybody have the balls to continue what Nolan did. I find it hard to believe anybody wants to be another Schumacher.

[MiniBond]

I Never thought about him before :wow:
He'd be AWESOME!!!
Really ? he was THE name mentioned for TDK at the time we thought he'd be in it !

[Mr. Socko]

^ I have serious doubts that there will be any more than 3 films in this series.

I don't think so either. After Nolan has done a trilogy, someone else should just come in and do their own thing. No need to be forced to standards another director has set. There will definitely be more Batman movies after Nolan is done, they probably just won't be connected.

Yeah, I don't think anybody have the balls to continue what Nolan did. I find it hard to believe anybody wants to be another Schumacher.

As said above, it'd be much better if the next director just starts another
series of films after Batman 3. I believe that's what they'll probably do.

[MiniBond]

[quote=Mr. Socko;13274622



As said above, it'd be much better if the next director just starts another
series of films after Batman 3. I believe that's what they'll probably do.[/QUOTE]


And do something completely different !:cwink:

[Laderlappen]

The shoes will be to big to fill for anyone to want to do it. That's what I think. And even if it DOES happen. It probably wont happen for atleast 20 years or something.

[MiniBond]

Well ....20 years to continue what Nolan did... :woot:

[Mr. Socko]

The shoes will be to big to fill for anyone to want to do it. That's what I think. And even if it DOES happen. It probably wont happen for atleast 20 years or something.

WB would never intentionally just wait the franchise out that many years, especially if Nolan ends it on a high note. The only way WB would go 20 years without making a single Batman movie is if it ends up like Superman; attempted to be made by several people who all fall short after years and years of falsely started productions.

But I agree, they will certainly be big shoes to fill. Although that never seemed to stop EoN productions from producing James Bond films after Connery left. But anyway, back to the Penguin eh...

[PlacidTubs]

http://www.eaglevision.ca/images/capote_poster.jpg

Someone already said it, but it's the only logical choice. His acting abilities are outstanding, and he would make a perfect Penguin for Nolan's Batman universe - more a creepy mob boss than a sideshow freak.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

That would be a very interesting choice, and welcome to the hype, Placid!

[Ratcrawler]

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u267/senatordoolittle/dickcheney.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e390/marnirenee/e0f94ee6.jpg

[General_Obol]

http://www.eaglevision.ca/images/capote_poster.jpg

Someone already said it, but it's the only logical choice. His acting abilities are outstanding, and he would make a perfect Penguin for Nolan's Batman universe - more a creepy mob boss than a sideshow freak.
Yeah, I heard Hoffman was practically guaranteed the role IF Nolan ever decided to use the character.

[Killing Joke926]

Hoskins.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uq28cOtvanQ&feature=related

[killingyouguy]

McShane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RWE8gk6uhE

[Secret Fawful]

James Gandolfini!

Come oooooonnn!!! Where is the love of Gandolfini?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001254/

[SUPERSEBAS]

Hoskins all the way!

[General_Obol]

James Gandolfini!

Come oooooonnn!!! Where is the love of Gandolfini?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001254/
Sorry, but the Gandolfini love all died with the Sporanos finale.

[Joker4Halloween]

I've always thought Paul Giamatti would be an interesting choice as Penguin, but that's just me.

Yeah, I agree.

[Timstuff]

Okay, assuming that Batman 3 features Two-Face tearing Gotham's underworld a new one, there's probably going to be more gangsters. Now if that's the case, IMO it'd be a fine opportunity to re-introduce one of Batman's classic rogues, but with a much classier makeover. I'm of course reffering to Oswald Cobblepot, AKA The Penguin. Instead of being some deranged freak who constantly attacks Batman using all manner of umbrella-based weapons, I think that they should portray him as being a more realistic gangster. He'd be a portly, stuck-up fellow who likes tuxes, bearing a vague resemblance to a penguin, hence the nickname. He's a villain who I think would fit very well into the Nolan-verse. I don't think he should be a major villain like Scarecrow or Ra's Al Ghul, but he could still have a presence in the movie, much like Carmine Falcone had in Batman Begins.

My personal casting suggestion:

Bob Hoskins

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9706/publicityimageloaderls2.jpg

Discuss.

[C. Lee]

Agreed. Hoskins as a Tuxedo wearing gangster......sounds good.

[Secret Fawful]

Hoskins is nice, but....

I say James Gandolfini.

[C. Lee]

Gandolfini is too tall for my tastes. I think Pinguin should be shorter.

[Brian2887]

Timothy Spall

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/the_last_samurai/timothy_spall/lastpre.jpg

[Lex Luthor]

I've definately been a fan of the Hoskins suggestion. :up:

[The Senator]

Hoskins is good. Philip Seymour Hoffman is another possible choice.

I do think Penguin should be in the next film, if only as a minor villain. He seems like one the most "realistic" options, and the arms-dealer persona would work perfectly in Nolan's world.

[jmc]

I've always though Paul Giamatti would be an interesting possibility.

[The Senator]

Am I the only one who hates Philip Seymor Hoffman being mentioned for the role?

I think he's a damn fine actor who can give versatility to any role which comes his way. Plus, he looks very Penguin-like, sans-beard.

[chamber-music]

I think as others have mentioned else where on Bat-Boards that Penguin would make a good arms dealer in Nolans Gotham. He could supply weapons to the mobs and freaks.

[Laderlappen]

I sense that there will be alot of Philip Seymour Hoffman, Bob Hopskins and some Ian McShane suggestions here.

[Ratcrawler]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i100/Paladin8400/Cheney.jpg

^If that's not possible than, yeah, Hoskins.

[Two-Face]

Okay, assuming that Batman 3 features Two-Face tearing Gotham's underworld a new one, there's probably going to be more gangsters. Now if that's the case, IMO it'd be a fine opportunity to re-introduce one of Batman's classic rogues, but with a much classier makeover. I'm of course reffering to Oswald Cobblepot, AKA The Penguin. Instead of being some deranged freak who constantly attacks Batman using all manner of umbrella-based weapons, I think that they should portray him as being a more realistic gangster. He'd be a portly, stuck-up fellow who likes tuxes, bearing a vague resemblance to a penguin, hence the nickname. He's a villain who I think would fit very well into the Nolan-verse. I don't think he should be a major villain like Scarecrow or Ra's Al Ghul, but he could still have a presence in the movie, much like Carmine Falcone had in Batman Begins.

My personal casting suggestion:

Bob Hoskins

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9706/publicityimageloaderls2.jpg

Discuss.




Hoskins is born to play the Penguin... :up:

[Nepenthes]

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061002/244.broderick.matthew.092806.jpg http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061011/244.alexander.jason.101006.jpg http://www.dcsecretfiles.dreamers.com/penguin2.gif

[Timstuff]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i100/Paladin8400/Cheney.jpg

^If that's not possible than, yeah, Hoskins.

They should do a Batman film with an all-politician cast! :woot:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2181/d4647871bc00308e46b6281bh8.gif

Back to the topic at hand though, I like the idea of Penguin being an arms dealer. I also think he should hide a gun or a knife inside of an umbrella at one point, for tradition's sake.

[Laderlappen]

Matthew Broderick has barely done ANYTHING since the 80's.

[killingyouguy]

Ian McShane OWNS Penguin.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane06.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane03.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane02.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane05.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane04.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane07.jpg

[Timstuff]

Ian McShane OWNS Penguin.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane06.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane03.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane02.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane05.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane04.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane07.jpg

If he plays the Penguin, he'd better start packing in the brownies.

[Nepenthes]

Matthew Broderick has barely done ANYTHING since the 80's.

not true!

http://www.in70mm.com/news/2002/lion_king/images/simba.jpg
http://www.johnottman.com/projects/features/cableguy/photo.jpg
http://www.lightspeedfineart.com/images/godzilla-cukr.jpg
http://i.dir.bg/stars/img/239/Matthew_Broderick_Inspector_Gadget1.jpg
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/the_stepford_wives/_group_photos/christopher_walken45.jpg
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/broadway/stars/images/broderick_m_pic2.jpg

he's barely done anything DECENT since the 80's. you can add Strangers with Candy and Bee Movie to that list^


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5d/Election_poster.jpg/200px-Election_poster.jpg

the exception is this movie (http://au.rottentomatoes.com/m/election/). seriously it's hilarious. My favourite Reese Witherspoon movie by far, people need to rent it

I'm not that big on Broderick for Penguin, just throwing it out there. John Cusack might be interesting as well. Right now the best picks are EASILY Seymour Hoffman or McShane, as boring as that sounds right now.

[killingyouguy]

If he plays the Penguin, he'd better start packing in the brownies.

Why? He doesn't need to be fat. At least not for me. As long as he's British, dressed daper, has an obsession with birds & carries his loaded umbrellas they can do with the rest as they wish.

[jmc]

Ian McShane OWNS Penguin.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane06.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane03.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane02.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane05.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane04.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/hearfield/mcshane07.jpg

He was so good in Deadwood.

[David Rice]

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061002/244.broderick.matthew.092806.jpg

Huh? I don't see it. :huh:

[The Joker]

I'd love to see The Penguin make it to the movies. I always liked him, and thought he was very underrated.

[Laderlappen]

he's barely done anything DECENT since the 80's. ^What I meant.

[David Rice]

I'd love to see The Penguin make it to the movies. I always liked him, and thought he was very underrated.

I agree.

[dark_knight08]

In my opinion, the role of Oswald Cobblepot aka The Penguin should be played by Bob Hoskins

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I thought Nolan said he would never use The Penguin?

[elgato]

Phillip Seymour Hoffman as a The Penguin

[Killing Joke926]

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061002/244.broderick.matthew.092806.jpg http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20061011/244.alexander.jason.101006.jpg http://www.dcsecretfiles.dreamers.com/penguin2.gif

YES!!! Costanza is our winner!!!!:woot:

Hoskins is great too.

[Lex Luthor]

In my opinion, the role of Oswald Cobblepot aka The Penguin should be played by Bob Hoskins
Indeed.

I remember when I first saw Hollywoodland, and every time Hoskins would be on the screen, I kept thinking what a great Oswald he would clearly make. :up:

[Ratcrawler]

For me, it was that film where he kept a collar on Jet Li and forced him to fight. I mean Bravo, Mr. Hoskins.

[PyroChamber]

Should Penguin have the nose? I mean despite who could play him, the nose was the one noticeable thing about him.

[Nepenthes]

Costanza basically is the Penguin already, a despicable little man with a razor sharp mind for treachery and deceit. He would be intrisically and profoundly absurd in the role...in a perfectly pitiful and un-intentional way. This is the nature of the Penguin and Costanza.

[batboy99]

Am I the only one who hates Philip Seymor Hoffman being mentioned for the role?
Nope, i dont either. I dunno, he just seems...dirty lol. He doesnt seem like someone who can play a nicely dressed, mob boss to me.

[Lex Luthor]

Should Penguin have the nose? I mean despite who could play him, the nose was the one noticeable thing about him.
Oh I think so. Absolutely. However, I dont believe it should be quite as profound as grotesque as it was in Burton's Batman Returns. But if/when The Penguin should appear in a future sequel, there should be a false nose for the actor playing him to wear.

I mean, you have to give some sort of reason why his boys nickname him "The Penguin" behind his back right? ;)

[killingyouguy]

I mean, you have to give some sort of reason why his boys nickname him "The Penguin" behind his back right? ;)

The suits are enough reason. Most people get called (or feel like) a "penguin" when in a tux. Maybe give him a limp to; not too pronounced but together with the daper clothing & obsession with birds it should be enough to make anyone call him "the Penguin".

[Mr. Socko]

Should Penguin have the nose? I mean despite who could play him, the nose was the one noticeable thing about him.


No, Nolan's world is far too realistic for a chubby long-nosed Oswald Cobblepot.

[Mr. Socko]

The suits are enough reason. Most people get called (or feel like) a "penguin" when in a tux.


While we're at it, let's strip him of the monocle and top hat too! And no one wears a tux every day either, let's just throw a fat man in a raggedy old potato sack and call it a day, that's a very gritty idea.

[killingyouguy]

While we're at it, let's strip him of the monocle and top hat too! And no one wears a tux every day either, let's just throw a fat man in a raggedy old potato sack and call it a day, that's a very gritty idea.

:whatever:

Constantly wearing daper clothing, being obsessed with birds & carrying loaded umbrellas is sufficiantly strange & "Penguin". Adding a monocle, beak-like nose, waddle, cigarette-holder & top hat is pushing it.

Look at the Scarecrow, he wasn't dressed like a Scarecrow at all. Just put a hessian bag over his head, but it worked perfectly. Better than the comic book Scarecrow would have. Same goes for Penguin (and most characters), they need to be reworked in at least some way. We already know Nolan isn't a fan of the Penguin.

[Lex Luthor]

The suits are enough reason. Most people get called (or feel like) a "penguin" when in a tux. Maybe give him a limp to; not too pronounced but together with the daper clothing & obsession with birds it should be enough to make anyone call him "the Penguin".
Would he honestly need to go that far and be seen a tux? :confused:

Or would he possibly be nicknamed "The Penguin" due to his short height, build, and perhaps a long, but not grotesque or cartoony, roman nose?

Just like any other villain under Nolan's direction, I expect changes. Which is only right. As characters are often not exactly translated from the comic book to the silver screen without some differences. And Oswald wouldnt be an exception I'm sure. But it seriously wouldnt be that tricky to include him into Nolan's vision of the Batverse.

[Mr. Socko]

Gritty AND realistic.:cmad:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who can grasp the concept of dark gritty realism for Nolan's world. http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1276/hahahahaha1au8.png

:whatever:

Constantly wearing daper clothing, being obsessed with birds & carrying loaded umbrellas is sufficiantly strange & "Penguin". Adding a monocle, beak-like nose, waddle, cigarette-holder & top hat is pushing it.

Look at the Scarecrow, he wasn't dressed like a Scarecrow at all. Just put a hessian bag over his head, but it worked perfectly. Better than the comic book Scarecrow would have. Same goes for Penguin (and most characters), they need to be reworked in at least some way.

That is pushing it sir! I prefer my gritty potato sack idea.


The Penguin should also carry around a knife instead of an unrealistic machine gun umbrella. He can stab people in the neck if disobey him or talk about his potato sack ensemble. He can be old and fat maybe have black rotted teeth, that's enough as far as Penguin connotations go.

We already know Nolan isn't a fan of the Penguin.

Which is why he will not appear in any of his films;)

[killingyouguy]

Would he honestly need to go that far and be seen a tux? :confused:

Or would he possibly be nicknamed "The Penguin" due to his short height, build, and perhaps a long, but not grotesque or cartoony, roman nose?

Just like any other villain under Nolan's direction, I expect changes. Which is only right. As characters are often not exactly translated from the comic book to the silver screen without some differences. And Oswald wouldnt be an exception I'm sure. But it seriously wouldnt be that tricky to include him into Nolan's vision of the Batverse.

Well making him short, fat & big-nosed (unless you use prothetics) limits the actors available for the role. The clothing doesn't. And, IMO, the Penguin doesn't need to be short, fat & big-nosed to be the Penguin.

[Lex Luthor]

Well making him short, fat & big-nosed (unless you use prothetics) limits the actors available for the role.

That's exactly why I said in a previous post that, yes. If The Penguin should appear in a future sequel, the actor in question should most definately wear a false nose much like Ben Affleck wearing a false nose to play George Reeves. It doesnt have to be painfully obvious to the audience of, "Oh look how long and ugly his nose is!", but at the very least the Penguin should have something of a roman nose. I honestly dont believe adding this effect would be that big of an issue.

The clothing doesn't. And, IMO, the Penguin doesn't need to be short, fat & big-nosed to be the Penguin.

An actor atleast shorter than Bale could possibly work, but I'll just say we have a difference of opinion on that one. And even if The Penguin was said to be inspired by a cigarette company ad featuring a penguin, I really dont believe it's necessary to actually see the guy wearing a tux just to point out the similarities.

[killingyouguy]

And even if The Penguin was said to be inspired by a cigarette company ad featuring a penguin, I really dont believe it's necessary to actually see the guy wearing a tux just to point out the similarities.

He's going to get the "Penguin" nickname from one of 3 places.

a) His clothing.
b) His appearance (short, round, long nose).
c) His walk.

IMO, the clothing is the most realistic option. It doesn't have to be a tux, it could just be expensive suits. But the "Penguin" nickname is going to make more sense if it's a tux.

And as for the nose, he doesn't have a Roman nose in the comics. It's long and beak-like. If you're not going to give him THAT nose than there is no point of giving him a big nose in the first place, IMO.

Here's how I see the Penguin:

Daper clothing - MUST STAY.
His walk - CAN STAY, but don't make it a blatant waddle. Some sort of limp would do, although I wouldn't be upset if he just walked normally either.
His loaded umbrellas - MUST STAY.
Big nose - CAN GO.
Short & fat - CAN GO. If the actor they want is short & fat, fine. If not, just as fine.
Obsession with birds - MUST STAY.
Monocle, top hat & cigarette holder - CAN STAY, if reworked. Maybe come up with more realistic takes. Maybe spectacles, a bowler/fedora & normal cigarettes. Or scrap them all (or some) completely, no big loss.
Squaking-laugh - CAN STAY, but shouldn't be so obvious. Maybe a laugh that on any one else wouldn't be that strange but when coupled with Penguin's appearance, walk, etc. it sounds bird-like.

[Lex Luthor]

He's going to get the "Penguin" nickname from one of 3 places.

a) His clothing.
b) His appearance (short, round, long nose).
c) His walk.

MmmHmmm ......

IMO, the clothing is the most realistic option. It doesn't have to be a tux, it could just be expensive suits. But the "Penguin" nickname is going to make more sense if it's a tux.

For me, it seems more plausible if it's associated with either A. His appearance, or B. The manner in which he presents himself, and his own personal characterisitcs ect ect. Personally, I dont need to see him in a tux just to drive the point home of, "Hey, he kinda looks like a Penguin in that tux!". Like you said, it can come from a variety of sources. Two of which you named.

And as for the nose, he doesn't have a Roman nose in the comics. It's long and beak-like. If you're not going to give him THAT nose than there is no point of giving him a big nose in the first place, IMO.

Personally, I think it would only add to his character. With throwing in a long, and beak-like nose, you kinda run the risk of it becoming comical and having the audience perhaps becoming fixated on that damn nose every time he's on screen. Which is why I mention a simple, long roman nose. Again, characteristics can go a long way. And it wouldnt be completely abandoning a concept created in the comics, just presenting it in a decidedly less comicbook-like fashion.

[Mr. Socko]

lol I'm not even taking any of this seriously because Nolan isn't going to place Penguin in a Batman film:o

[Lex Luthor]

Bleh @ the negative attitude. :D

And after Post #42 in this thread, I have a hard time grasping how you could honestly think Nolan's vision is "far too realistic for a chubby long-nosed Oswald Cobblepot"? :o

[Nepenthes]

Are you guys seriously talking about what he's going to wear and the size of his nose?

Really.......

[Lex Luthor]

Are you guys seriously talking about what he's going to wear and the size of his nose?

Really.......

Yes.

Yes we are talking about what he's going to wear and the size of his nose!

No matter how trivial it really is.

Really. :hehe:


HE HAS TO FIT IN NOLAN'S GRITTY DARK REALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad::cmad::cmad:












:cwink:

:D

[The Mighty Wind]

Bob Hoskins for the win!

[The Caped Knight]

HE HAS TO FIT IN NOLAN'S GRITTY DARK REALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad::cmad::cmad:












:cwink:

Well as long as Nolan doesn't go down Tim Burton's Gothic version of The Penguin . I'll be happy . I hope he got the classic look similar to BTAS .
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/penguin/m03.jpg

[Lex Luthor]

Well as long as Nolan doesn't go down Tim Burton's Gothic version of The Penguin . I'll be happy . I hope he got the classic look similar to BTAS .
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/penguin/m03.jpg
You know, I actually liked that version of The Penguin from TAS that was clearly influenced by Batman Returns for whatever reason, than I did the later one that was much more 'classic' in appearance.

[Nepenthes]

^ I want his nose too be 20% smaller and I want pinstripe pants instead of plain :hehe:

[Mr. Socko]

Well as long as Nolan doesn't go down Tim Burton's Gothic version of The Penguin . I'll be happy . I hope he got the classic look similar to BTAS .
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/penguin/m03.jpg


The Penguin in TAS is near identical to Burton's in appearance. The hump back, the stiff walk, long hair, he even has flipper hands for crying out loud! Just for comparison, here's Penguin from TNBA which was more like the comics.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2593/m01ea7.gif

[Nepenthes]

I can't imagine a Nolan Penguin actually needing an umbrella much. To me he's the kind of guy who's only outdoors when he's walking from a limosuine to the front door. A mob boss doesn't exactly stroll the streets or take lunch in a park.

To remedy this, I'd have scenes with Penguin hanging out on a rooftop lounge/office, this is his favourite spot since birds should be close to the sky and it makes him feel like a special aristocrat. He'd be Marcellus from Pulp Fiction, giving orders by phone, poolside, under the open air and snacking on cavier. It creates parrallels with Batman, operating on rooftops and yeah, it allows him to carry a friggin umbrella.

I like the idea of a scene on a rooftop in drenching rain. Penguin and his model girlfriends are all under umbrellas, he's berating his goons and they're just sitting there soaking wet listening to him squawk.

[Lex Luthor]

^ I want his nose too be 20% smaller and I want pinstripe pants instead of plain :hehe:

I knew you had it in you. :grin:

Anyways, done and done. :oldrazz:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6949/m03ajk2.jpg

[The Law]

I think the following things are necessary:
Tuxedo/formal clothing
Short and fat
Umbrella
Aristocratic attitude

Give him a cigar instead of a cigarette holder. The umbrella can easily be explained as a method of clandestinely carrying a weapon for protection. Also, his role in the film is important. Is he a night club owner, who Batman goes to for information? Is he a British arms dealer, as has been suggested by some? Is he a mob boss, representing the continuing "freakization" of Gotham? I think night club owner and mob boss go together, and that arms dealer is a solid role as well. He can be responsible for arming both sides in a gang war, and get a beating from Batman. He should not be the main villain of the movie, but rather play a role similar to that of Falcone, or Scarecrow at the most.

Due to Ledger's death, there seems to be something of a hole in the third film. I believe they will avoid recasting the Joker role by leaving him out of the third film. I would add Penguin in a supporting role, with Two Face being the main villain. This might seem like too much, but the Penguin role would not be as large as in "Batman Returns." He would not have any background, and would not require any serious characterization. I would cast Phillip Seymour Hoffman in the role, as he seems to be the perfect combination of popular appeal and acting ability that Nolan seems to have sought in the series thus far.

[mfahey99]

dont any of you remember that interview with nolan a while back where he stated that he hated the penguin and wouldnt use him in the any of his movies. cus, umm, this thread is pretty useless and a waste of time. im just tired of everybody saying who can play the penguin or what he should be like when he will never be in one of nolans films.

[Timstuff]

What exactly do umbrellas have to do with penguins? I've never understood. :huh:

[killingyouguy]

Due to Ledger's death, there seems to be something of a hole in the third film.

Why do people keep saying this? Because of what Goyer said? That's old. He said Joker would scar Dent in the third, but we know Dent gets scarred in TDK. So there is nothing (that we know of) tying Joker to BB3.

[Majik1387]

What exactly do umbrellas have to do with penguins? I've never understood. :huh:

It's how they fly in the real gritty world.:o

[Nepenthes]

I knew you had it in you. :grin:

Anyways, done and done. :oldrazz:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6949/m03ajk2.jpg

Ha ha! pinstripe pants are teh realism because vertical patterns have a slimming effect and in real life Penquin is sad because he is the teh puffy

What exactly do umbrellas have to do with penguins? I've never understood. :huh:

It's got nothing to do with penguins. but it completes the image of the aristocrat or bourgeois capitalist that Penquin is based from. Monocle, top hat, overcoat, portly and well fed. An ornamental cane would be the final accessory but I'm guessing Bob Kane switched in an umbrella simply because it's a better novelty device. It looks funnier, a fat man floating in on an umbrella, pointing it at your face. But the question is, what exactly do bourgeois "gentlemen of crime" have to do with penguins? Answer; cigarettes.

http://www.geocities.com/~jimlowe/kool/images/die-cuts.jpg

somewhere in a parallel universe Batman is solving crimes committed by Joe Camel

[Spider-Fan83]

What exactly do umbrellas have to do with penguins? I've never understood. :huh:
I don't know about the connection to penguins, but, maybe they got the idea for the look, from...
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5868/jiminycricket1182251989pv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) LOL

[The Joker]

What exactly do umbrellas have to do with penguins? I've never understood. :huh:

His connection to umbrellas stems from his childhood. His father died of pneumonia after being caught in a rain storm. Ever since, his mother used to make him carry an umbrella everywhere he went.

When he was picked on by bullies, he started to use it as a weapon against them. It's where he got the notion to use them as weapons.

[The Joker_1000]

I've never really cared for the Penguin, especially after "Batman Returns" so I really don't want to see him in this franchise. I can't take him seriously & I don't think he'd fit in this universe.

[Hyden]

people keep talking about how he CAN be done, and sure, I agree, he can be done, but unless it's a real small role, he's just BORING!
I thought the Burton Pengiun was the best that was ever done, and that's hardly even the same character that's in the comic.

[Lex Luthor]

people keep talking about how he CAN be done, and sure, I agree, he can be done, but unless it's a real small role, he's just BORING!

I think generally most people who want to see The Penguin in a Nolan-helmed Batman movie agree that he would likely work as a supporting character at best. NOT the main villain or anything.

I thought the Burton Pengiun was the best that was ever done, and that's hardly even the same character that's in the comic.

Different, yet it's very apparent that Burton's version of The Penguin has certainly left an impression on various Batman artist's thru the years (i.e. webbed hands that are seen from time to time and what not).

[stringsbatman]

the penguin is a good character . i kno in the comics batman gets info from him. i say if hes in the movie itll be as a weasly informant

[The Joker_1000]

I really dislike the character & I don't think he needs to be in this franchise at all. He wouldn't fit in this universe anyway.

[Majik1387]

You don't fit in the universe:cmad:



Seriously though, Nolan has no interest to use Penguin. Maybe the BR version tainted his interpretation, maybe not, but he's just not interested.

[The Joker_1000]

I'm glad he's not. Besides, there are tons of other villains that I would rather see in this franchise such as Clayface, Killer Croc, etc. The Penguin would just be a waste of time.

[Nepenthes]

http://www.geocities.com/~jimlowe/kool/images/die-cuts.jpg


no seriously Oswald was a blatant steal from the Kool Penguin, Kane admittted it. I find it hilarious.



btw i just read Penguins first appearance, man it sucks. You really begin to know that if not for the TV show he'd just be one more obscure footnote in the history of dire one-shot novelty villains. But it's SO COOL that that's how comics work - over decades a lazy and disposable joke is developed into a very decent character, due to cross media and overlapping yet vastly different audiences. Imagine if fate had cast Crazy Quilt in the TV show, I'd love to see what his modern psychosis turned out to be. Harley Quin is another great example.

[Lex Luthor]

The Riddler is definately the best example of a obscure villain that finally gained popularity among fans due to the intervention of the 1960's tv show. Much more so than The Penguin I believe.

With The Penguin's origins, Kane claims Oswald's inspiration came from little penguins who appeared in print to advertise Kool cigarettes, and which also hawked them on radio with the insistent falsetto slogan, "Smoke Kooools! Smoke Kooools!"
While on the other hand, Batman co-creator Bill Finger claims that Penguin's inspiration came from the idea that emperor penguins reminded him of stuffy english gentlemen in tuxedos. Resulting in a caricature of an aristocratic type.

But of course, in his first appearance, Oswald was fatal much quicker than nicotine.

However, he subsequently calmed down, much like many of his peers (Joker especially), and became merely an ingenious thief who often used birds to help him in his crimes.

Obviously, a ludicrous figure composed of disparate elements, but The Penguin may have worked and struck some sort of cord with the readers due to the fact that he represented a privileged class that they might have resented. Of course the same charge could be hurled at Batman/Bruce Wayne as well, but Oswald deftly deflected whatever resentment the readers might have felt against the rich during the 1940s.

[The Joker_1000]

I still don't think I want to see the Penguin on the big screen but if Nolan could do something that works with the universe he's creating, I'd be happy to see him.

[DoubleM]

Another villian from the crazy house.

[batboy99]

:dry:.........

[spideymouse]

hmm. Jack Black. Phillip Seymour Hoffman. hmm.

[El Payaso]

Jack Black must be one of the worst excuses to waste money and self-torture watching a movie.

[DoubleM]

Jack Black must be one of the worst excuses to waste money and self-torture watching a movie.

Oh really

I thought his role in King Kong was great. He did show that he can be sneaky and slimy.

[DoubleM]

Jack Black must be one of the worst excuses to waste money and self-torture watching a movie.

Oh really

I thought his role in King Kong was great. He did show that he can be sneaky and slimy.

[DoubleM]

Jack Black must be one of the worst excuses to waste money and self-torture watching a movie.

Oh really

I thought his role in King Kong was great. He did show that he can be sneaky and slimy.

[ross2287]

:dry:.........

Jack Black must be one of the worst excuses to waste money and self-torture watching a movie.

QFT! :up:
In a word, no.
In two words, hell no!

Let the flaming begin!

[bstringer]

oh the hell with that. Jack Black is crap. He would RUIN everything Nolan created

[psylockolussus]

I don't think I would like to be the villian in Batman 3.

[Hoosier Boss]

Mr. Nolan has, IMHO, complete and free reign to reinvent any Batman villain. For example:

Oscar Cobstone, aka, The Penguin. Owner of The Iceberg Club; English born billionaire aristocrat dubbed The Penguin because he always wears a tuxedo. Cobstone has amassed his wealth through his connections with international organized crime. The Penguin is an anti-Bruce Wayne/James Bond. Highly skilled, vastly intelligent, well funded, an arsenal of weapons (including his favorite--an umbella), and athletic. He has predicted an opening for control of Gotham City's crime family because of the Batman's activities. While Batman is under fire from Gotham's police force, The Penguin makes his move for control of Gotham's underworld with ruthless efficiency.

Title of the movie: Bird of Prey

. . . and the actor to play The Penguin? You've come with me this far, just bear with me . . .


Damian Lewis
http://www.hellomagazine.com/profiles/damianlewisprofile/damian-lewis-pb.jpg

[Starscreamer]

The Scarecrow had some face time in TDK why not even a CAMEO for Penguin even if he's a crooked club owner he doesn't have to be the main villain. Penguin is pretty major in Batman's rogues gallery

[DarKnight08]

Yeah I posted it in another thread but I have to go with my man:

http://www.bassharp.com/photo16.JPG

[ross2287]

Paul Giamatti, dammit!

[Superboy-Prime]

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/11/65/0000041165_20070705173433.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/55/91/0000035591_20061030172955.jpg

SB-P

[Riven]

I say David Suchet, the British actor most famous for playing Hercule Poirot...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1920000/images/_1924262_david_suchet_bbc150.jpg
http://www.thecolumnists.com/miller/miller198art1.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_02/SuchetMaxwell_468x425.jpg

[Bads316]

Gandolfini all the way!!!! Can just imagine him and Bats having an almighty fight.

[chaseter]

Gandolfini is too tall...wtf people!?

[cerealkiller182]

David Sucet FTW

[NinjaTurtleFan]

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/11/65/0000041165_20070705173433.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/55/91/0000035591_20061030172955.jpg

SB-P

Be a better Harvey Bullock. That Suchet guy below looks alot like Penguin wow. Him, Timothy Spall, and Hoskins I saw are the best picks to portray Pengy.

[The Batman]

bump

[66 Face]

Begging... pleading for Ian McShane (Deadwood).

[spideyman101]

Really the name Oswald Cobblepot should NEVER been seen or heard in Batman 3... Instead he should be known simply as "Penguin"

Similar to Gambol being known as Gambol... or the Chechen being known as "The Chechen"... Penguin should be called "The Penguin". He's a arms dealer for the mob as well as corrupt cops. Batman has to put a stop to him, so the mob stops getting weapons.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

theres so many actors that could pull off The Penguin, and do him very well, its a really hard decision to make I would say!

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Really the name Oswald Cobblepot should NEVER been seen or heard in Batman 3... Instead he should be known simply as "Penguin"

Similar to Gambol being known as Gambol... or the Chechen being known as "The Chechen"... Penguin should be called "The Penguin". He's a arms dealer for the mob as well as corrupt cops. Batman has to put a stop to him, so the mob stops getting weapons.

I dont know how well that would work in Nolan's Gotham, sure The Joker was called "The Joker" but thats because he had no other names or aliases.

[Dark Knight]

One actor Bob Hoskins all the way! Nuff said...

Ian McShane comes in a close second though....

[Dark Knight]

Hoskins is born to play the Penguin... :up:



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[Dark Knight]

Okay, assuming that Batman 3 features Two-Face tearing Gotham's underworld a new one, there's probably going to be more gangsters. Now if that's the case, IMO it'd be a fine opportunity to re-introduce one of Batman's classic rogues, but with a much classier makeover. I'm of course reffering to Oswald Cobblepot, AKA The Penguin. Instead of being some deranged freak who constantly attacks Batman using all manner of umbrella-based weapons, I think that they should portray him as being a more realistic gangster. He'd be a portly, stuck-up fellow who likes tuxes, bearing a vague resemblance to a penguin, hence the nickname. He's a villain who I think would fit very well into the Nolan-verse. I don't think he should be a major villain like Scarecrow or Ra's Al Ghul, but he could still have a presence in the movie, much like Carmine Falcone had in Batman Begins.

My personal casting suggestion:

Bob Hoskins

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9706/publicityimageloaderls2.jpg

Discuss.




I agree 100%! He already has the physical look and chances are in Nolans world, there will be no need for over the top makeup. If anything just have him use the one removable eyeglass and give Hoskins an elongated cigarrete holder and that would be fine. Hoskins would bring that cockney brit accent which would be a nice addition to the Gotham underworld. Plus he would fit right in to with the cast in a supporting capacity as the seedy underground mob boss/club owner or arms dealer.

Hoskins was born to play Penguin!

[cerealkiller182]

David Suchet has all the same criteria as Bob Hoskins

[Live-ActionMan]

Batman Begins
Liam Neeson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Neeson) as Henri Ducard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Ducard)
Cillian Murphy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cillian_Murphy) as Dr. Jonathan Crane/The Scarecrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarecrow_%28comics%29)

The Dark Knight
Heath Ledger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Ledger) as The Joker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_%28comics%29)
Aaron Eckhart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Eckhart) as Harvey Dent / Two-Face (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Face)

The Dark Knight Returns
David Tennant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tennant) as Edward Nigma / The Riddler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddler)
Bob Hoskins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoskins) as The Penguin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Penguin_%28comics%29)

Other Villains
Marion Cotillard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Cotillard) as Selina Kyle / Catwoman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman)
Scarlett Johansson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlett_Johannsen) as Pamela Isley / Poison Ivy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_Ivy_%28comics%29)
Javier Bardem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Bardem) as Bane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bane_%28comics%29)
Patrick Stewart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Stewart) as Victor Fries / Mr. Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Freeze)
Kristen Bell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristen_Bell) as Dr. Harleen Quinzelle / Harley Quinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Quinn)
Vin Deisel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin_Deisel) as Killer Croc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_Croc)
Bill Murray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Murray) as Arnold Wesker/The Ventriloquist (http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventriloquist_%28comics%29)

Well, I would say either Bob Hoskins or David Suchet. Well, let's get things straighten out from my head. I would say Bob Hoskins because he can play great, and he's got a sort of look like The Penguin. Also, I would say David Suchet as well because looking at his pictures, he really looks like The Penguin, and has a sinister look on his face. I notice that characters in the Batman Nolan trilogy that are villains have an extreme look and great acting skills. Great ideas, everyone.

[Nepenthes]

a really fat Mathew Broderick would be fairly amusing

[TheDarkJoker]

Hoskins is our first choice, but don't you all think he is too attached to similar roles? Like in Danny the dog, or as Super Mario Bros.

Ian McShane is a good pick. Would be great to see him as Cobblepot.
But again, we'll start making he same we did with Nicholson/Ledger.. in this case, with Danny De Vito.

So, my vote goes to McShane.. even if he starts with the multiple '*****ucker' thing from Deadwood!!!

[The Caped Knight]

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SB-P

James Gandolfini as The Penguin I don't think so .

However as Detective Harvey Bullock , He's be prefect . Actor Robert Costanzo was the voice of Bullock in BATMAN : The animated series. :cwink: James would do an Incredible job in the role .

[TheDarkJoker]

Gandolfini looks like a nice man. We need that look on his face, like Ledger had.
I prefer him as Bullock!

[The Caped Knight]

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My choice for The penguin is Philip Seymour Hoffman he played a character very similar to what I could see The Penguin as in Nolan's world (An Arm's Dealer) in Mission Impossible III as Owen Davian .

Instead of making The Penguin physically deformed, sadistic, megalomaniacal monster like Burton did. Bring back The Classic version of The Penguin from the comics , BTAS & the 60's Batman by actor Burgess Meredith .

Where Oswald had the appearence of a penguin was because of his bird like nose . And dressing in the Penguin tuxedo .

Make no mistake I thought Danny DeVito was a great choice for The Penguin, He looked like the part and had Burton stuck with The Classic look & Characteristic of The Penguin, he would've been amazing . But because Burton made he gothic & Gross , I didn't like The Penguin in Batman Returns . Thankfully Bruce Timm got it right in Batman : The Animated series . He even based the look of The penguin from burton movie, all he did was add the classic look & Characteristic. Then in The Revamp in TNBA , The penguin looked like a normal man with a beak nose .

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[The Caped Knight]

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[Nepenthes]

I've never liked the Penguin origin. His mother made him carry an umbrella AND he loved birds!! :wow: it all makes perfect sense

Agreed on Phillip Hoffman in MI:III, he was scary. and he'd be a great template for the kind of crook Oswald is. what are some other good movie crooks?

[thedrizzle59]

Bob Hoskins all the way for this one! he is with out a doubt a perfect NOLAN penguin for batman3:cwink:

[Ixion]

I would love to see Penguin in the next film, and Catwoman (although the two of them together might get confusing after Batman Returns did the same thing). I hate the argument that they're not 'realistic' enough for Nolan's universe, they're classic characters that have been around for almost as long as Batman and Robin, they're staples of the Bat-universe and will always fit into it.

And Hoskins as Pengiun works for me.

[spideyman101]

If Penguin was a non-mutant, played by Philip Seymour Hoffman without a large nose, and the umbrella's are just a sense-acclaimed fashion statement, and he's a fancy arms dealer, then I'm fine with that.

Perhaps have him hire his men to take out the other arms dealers, so he can make the prices unreasonably high... the mob doesn't like this... "not... one... bit..." so Roman Sionis hires his men to take him out. Eventually Roman gets caught in an accident where molten rock is splattered on him and it sticks to his face. Obsessed with his new image, when the rock peels off he reapplies it, this time using bits and pieces from his mother's grave. Nice little story if you ask me... meanwhile Riddler is tempting the cops with his knowledge of Batman's identity. Scarecrow aids Roman with his fear toxins...

[Tigerking]

Personally, I think Jack Black could pull of a very good Penguin.

[Two-Face]

Personally, I think Jack Black could pull of a very good Penguin.

No I can't see him as The Penguin, He will remind School Of Rock.

[zenith16]

I'd say use Joe peshi or pesci (sorry if I misspelled that) from the lethal weapon movies, But he might be too old now. beside Nolan and old man said no to the penguin. being in their movies. so I don't see why this is being pushed still

[regwec]

David Suchet for me.

[Dark Knight]

I'd say use Joe peshi or pesci (sorry if I misspelled that) from the lethal weapon movies, But he might be too old now. beside Nolan and old man said no to the penguin. being in their movies. so I don't see why this is being pushed still



Maybe if WB's lets Nolan make a R rated Bat film then Pesci would fit because of all the cussing....:hehe:

[Dark Knight]

a really fat Mathew Broderick would be fairly amusing



That would be hilarious....:joker:

[zenith16]

lMaybe if WB's lets Nolan make a R rated Bat film then Pesci would fit because of all the cussing....:hehe: lol yo if eddie murphy can do that with his movies as we've seen it's possable for pesci. I guess.

[Dark Knight]

So, my vote goes to McShane.. even if he starts with the multiple '*****ucker' thing from Deadwood!!!



Nice! :joker:

[GarzaUK]

Just an idea here, dont crucify me fanboys lol lol.

What if Cobblepot (if you wish to call him that) was a "non-freak" mob boss, trying to take back Gotham from the freaks. Realising he is losing and realising he can gain more power and fear by being a freak "If you can't beat em, join em". Power-hungry he makes himself a freak, using plastic surgery to elongate his nose, maybe even filing his teeth and maybe changing his voicebox and becoming flamboyent its his attire, calling himself the Penguin.

Just a thought.

[ronny]

I would like to see aspects of the character taken from the recent Penguin story in The Jokers Asylum. Especially the scrapbooks where he keeps the clippings of all the "accidents" his enemies have suffered.
It's a great take on the character, I don't know if many of you have read it but you should. He's portrayed as a violent, corrupt man but one who wants to do the right thing.

[The Penguin]

David Suchet for me.

david suchet seems like a good choice.. good call

[Terror Inc.]

I always liked the fact that the Penguin hits close to home for both Bruce and Batman. If he were in the next one, I'd like to see him come into Gotham as a savior, using his wealth to help rebuild the city after the terror they just went through with the Joker. Kinda the same route as Returns, but no mayor angle. Just a wealthy entrepenuer who seems as though hes trying to do what Bruce is doing, helping those who can't really help themselves. He'd be in all the same ritzy circles as Bruce, which would make for an interesting confrontation when Batman finally learns Cobblepot is really the Penguin. As for the whole Penguin aspect, while he's helping save Gotham, hes setting himself up as the premiere crime lord, not just of the mobs, but of all Gotham, running everything, and using the cash ammased from his illegal enterprise to further his criminal gains, as well as getting a one up in the public eye. I really think the people of Gotham should love the Penguin until he's revealed, another golden boy like Wayne. And as far as attire goes, give him a tux, hat, maybe an umbrella here and there, I really think the Penguin could work.

[The Penguin]

*edit* double post... sry

[Terror Inc.]

double post.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Is Jack Black seriously being mentioned in this thread, god please save us!

[nolan's roll'n]

Philip Seymour Hoffman, David Suchet, or Bob Hoskins.

[TaterSalad]

Jack Black would be the parallel to Jim Carrey as the Riddler.

Too over the top.

Penguin the Gentlman rather than the half-man, half bird is the way to go.

I'm diggin the Seymore-Hoffman idea.

Not sure what I think about Mr. Smee as the Penguin though.

[souvlaki]

Just an idea here, dont crucify me fanboys lol lol.

What if Cobblepot (if you wish to call him that) was a "non-freak" mob boss, trying to take back Gotham from the freaks. Realising he is losing and realising he can gain more power and fear by being a freak "If you can't beat em, join em". Power-hungry he makes himself a freak, using plastic surgery to elongate his nose, maybe even filing his teeth and maybe changing his voicebox and becoming flamboyent its his attire, calling himself the Penguin.

Just a thought.

Or he can just have a naturally large nose, wear a tuxedo, and be a little chubby and short like in the comics. I mean, it's really not that hard to sell the Penguin.

[ronny]

Or he can just have a naturally large nose, wear a tuxedo, and be a little chubby and short like in the comics. I mean, it's really not that hard to sell the Penguin.

Exactly right. The character isn't that far-fetched and I don't know why Nolan dislikes him. Just lose the monocle (Play the top hat by ear) and tone down the more fantastic umbrella weapons and you're set.
The character works. End of story.

[Shane Diesel]

I was watching the SE BR DVD and Burton was talking about how he looks for a psychological profile in the villains that he can create a story around. The studio badly wanted Penguin but Burton wanted Catwoman b/c she had a psychological profile he thought could be used well. The comic book Penguin wasn't interesting to Burton so he created a psychological profile that would fit into his story - deformed rejected youth raised by penguins, etc.

Nolan also uses villains with a psychological tie in with Batman. I think the same problem is presented here as well with Penguin. On a technical level he's easy to translate to Nolan's world. But where's the psychological hook with Penguin that would make him a viable villain in Nolan's Batman?

[GarzaUK]

Or he can just have a naturally large nose, wear a tuxedo, and be a little chubby and short like in the comics. I mean, it's really not that hard to sell the Penguin.

I agree its easy to get a Penguin in appearance in the Nolanverse. But apart from a monacle, a tuxedo and an umbrella that shoots bullets how is he different to any other sort of mob boss, how is he above the cut of the normal mob boss? I can't think of an obviuos answer.

I mean why does he call himself the Penguin, why does he where a tux, a monacle and have an umbrella designed to be a weapon? Why be flamboyent? There has to be a reason?

He is IMO a boring charcter, i mean without his suit and big nose what is the Penguin anyway?? The Penguin disfiguring himself in becoming to a freak because he is power hungry, gives him a slight edge to his character, but im sure there is better ideas out there.

[Asteroid-Man]

I always hated the Penguin. He was such a ridiculous character and was annoying as ****. Such a pansy villain.

[cerealkiller182]

I agree its easy to get a Penguin in appearance in the Nolanverse. But apart from a monacle, a tuxedo and an umbrella that shoots bullets how is he different to any other sort of mob boss, how is he above the cut of the normal mob boss? I can't think of an obviuos answer.

I mean why does he call himself the Penguin, why does he where a tux, a monacle and have an umbrella designed to be a weapon? Why be flamboyent? There has to be a reason?

He is IMO a boring charcter, i mean without his suit and big nose what is the Penguin anyway?? The Penguin disfiguring himself in becoming to a freak because he is power hungry, gives him a slight edge to his character, but im sure there is better ideas out there.


ugh, Nolan has corrupted all fanboys. There needs to be a reason why Penguin looks the way he does?

The Penguin is a mob boss. What makes him difference is the fact he is not the stereotypical Italian goodfellas we have seen thus far. Hes high class. Hes fine by himself. The Penguin himself probably wont be the primary bad guy, but he should be a Gotham player.

[ronny]

Yeah, it is kind of unusual to see a classy British guy as a mob boss in America but that's the general gimmick of the character. They shouldn't change it.

[The Caped Knight]

Batman - Arkham Files: The Penguin

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[Joker831]

If The Penguin only appeared briefly...like a small cameo or maybe even in a role like Maroni's....do you think Joe Pesci would consider the role if offered? I know he's retired and did the role in The Good Shepard for DeNiro, but like if the role only had one 10minute scene or a few scene scattered through the movie.....you think Pesci would do a huge movie like this one more time?

Id love to see that, dont get me wrong....im on the Phillip S. Hoffman/David Suchet/Paul Giamatti bandwagon as well haha.....but i'd love to see Pesci do this as well. He wouldnt be cursing ala Goodfella's haha....plus he's more reserved at his old age, he seemed calm in his brief Good Shepard cameo.

So what do you guys think....would he turn the offer down? If he took it, would you guys like that?

[shadowdog]

I do not like the idea of Pesci. That seems wrong to me.

[Ziggyman]

Pesci...Really...No way!

Hoskins...Hoffman...Giamatti

[Nepenthes]

The Penguin should be American business gone wrong. He shouldn't be a foreign influence. His visual is lifted from the robber barons who were so critical to Americas development through the industrial revolution and into the early 1900's and even though nowadays global business means you can often be dealing with pricks from other countries, I think it's important that Penguin represent an American homegrown ideal. And he's from part of the same group as Bruce Wayne, what elevated the Wayne Family in the first place. If he's English it could be too much of an "us & them" thing, when it's important that he's coming from inside, the establishment within Gotham. oh and plus I'm pretty sure Kool cigarettes are American ha ha

[The Penguin]

Pesci...Really...No way!

Hoskins...Hoffman...Giamatti


hoskins = yes.... hoffman = yes.... but paul giamatti.... would that work?

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

hoskins = yes.... hoffman = yes.... but paul giamatti.... would that work?
I think Giamatti would be a vintage Nolan casting, someone you wouldn't really expect.

[Ziggyman]

hoskins = yes.... hoffman = yes.... but paul giamatti.... would that work?

...I like his voice...It's kind of whiny...I personally think he would be a pretty good penguin...He can act, has a weird voice, and has some strange mannerisms...I like!:woot:

[Ziggyman]

I think Giamatti would be a vintage Nolan casting, someone you wouldn't really expect.

I agree!

[Superman]

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_02/SuchetMaxwell_468x425.jpgWorks for me.

I think they should make him some kind of mobster who comes to Gotham to fill in the hole that Batman and Joker left behind by taking out the mob bosses in DK.

Just an ideal. :yay:

[ronny]

The Penguin should be American business gone wrong. He shouldn't be a foreign influence. His visual is lifted from the robber barons who were so critical to Americas development through the industrial revolution and into the early 1900's and even though nowadays global business means you can often be dealing with pricks from other countries, I think it's important that Penguin represent an American homegrown ideal. And he's from part of the same group as Bruce Wayne, what elevated the Wayne Family in the first place. If he's English it could be too much of an "us & them" thing, when it's important that he's coming from inside, the establishment within Gotham. oh and plus I'm pretty sure Kool cigarettes are American ha ha

Okay, can we please clear this up? Can we get a definite answer, in the comics is The Penguin an American or is he British? Have they ever said?

[The Joker]

Okay, can we please clear this up? Can we get a definite answer, in the comics is The Penguin an American or is he British? Have they ever said?

He's american. He was raised in Gotham City.

[ronny]

I'd love to see a scene where he assembles the umbrella, loading bullets into it and so on. Although this shouldn't be straight away, the shock vaue of seeing him murder a guy with a umbrella is something the director won't want to ignore.

[cerealkiller182]

Knowing Nolan, hed probably only go as far as an umbrella with a blade on the tip, or a gun hidden in the umbrella or something.



**** realism

[66 Face]

For acting and the look I'm still going with Ian McShane. He's just too perfect IMO.

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[regwec]

The Riddler is obviously an American who wants to be British. It is the only way in which the character could so fundementally misunderstand some of the tenets of British eccentricity.

[panda_eater]

why is the penguin boring?! what makes a clown man and a bat man more interesting than a penguin man? penguins are interesting.

[Milkman95]

I'd like to see Giamatti or Hoffman as The Penguin. I wouldn't mind seeing this character in the third film at all. Especially if he's portrayed as the next mob boss with owning several clubs in Gotham as his cover.

[dario2739]

I basically see the Penguin working similar to how he is in comics today.
He's a gangster with a ligitmate front - a nightclub and likes to dress real classy. So... fat gangster, own's a club which he does his dirty dealings out the back... hang on it's Tony Soprano!!! So, how about James Gandolfini?
Other than that, I love the idea of Jack Black, and David Suchet... i'd never thought of him but he looks ideal in the Maxwell picture.

[cerealkiller182]

No Gandolfini. Im sick of the wiseguys in Gotham. Suchet would bring a classier gangster

[Shane Diesel]

I basically see the Penguin working similar to how he is in comics today.
He's a gangster with a ligitmate front - a nightclub and likes to dress real classy. So... fat gangster, own's a club which he does his dirty dealings out the back... hang on it's Tony Soprano!!! So, how about James Gandolfini?
Other than that, I love the idea of Jack Black, and David Suchet... i'd never thought of him but he looks ideal in the Maxwell picture.

I heard an interview by Eric Roberts who said Gandolfini wanted Maroni. Roberts actually thought Gandolfini would get the role b/c he looks like a mobster. Then to his surprise he was casted. I think the film makers felt the baggage of Tony Soprano wasn't worth it.

Here's the interview, you have to fast forward to find the part where Roberts talks. Its entitled Film Freak Dark Knight podcast and has a few parts.

http://www.971freefm.com/pages/4107.php

[66 Face]

I think that if the Penguin comes in as another mob boss he becomes boring. IMO the character would work well if he came in as a rival of Bruce Wayne in a business sense but also plays a dirty game like the Kingpin from Daredevil. He's picking up the broken peices of the mob and making it his with his money. Also throw the freak Penguin out the window. He's well liked and Batman looks bad in the public eye for going after him.

Oh yeah... IAN MCSHANE DAMMIT!!!!!

[TimidationGame]

I think that if the Penguin comes in as another mob boss he becomes boring. IMO the character would work well if he came in as a rival of Bruce Wayne in a business sense but also plays a dirty game like the Kingpin from Daredevil. He's picking up the broken peices of the mob and making it his with his money. Also throw the freak Penguin out the window. He's well liked and Batman looks bad in the public eye for going after him.

Oh yeah... IAN MCSHANE DAMMIT!!!!!

The Gotham public had to take it and endure from the mob and then started to fight back under new inspiration. Are you sure the mob won't do the same?

[66 Face]

The Gotham public had to take it and endure from the mob and then started to fight back under new inspiration. Are you sure the mob won't do the same?Thats the thing. The mobs been kicked around now. Their new inspiration could be the financial support the Penguin offers. They could flock to him in droves because his idea is to have an all powerful mob rather than a few gangs.

A good subplot would be Catwoman being more of a Robin Hood. Stealing from Bruce Wayne and the Penguin to help the poor. Sure she's helping but she's a theif and stealing for her own good too. I wouldn't show her as a love interest in this movie yet though.