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QueerMike
02-07-2008, 09:33 PM
A lot of people have a lot of complaints about the casting for this movie. Nows your chance to voice your opinion as to which is the worst.

K.B.
02-07-2008, 10:05 PM
I can pick only one? :(

tamron
02-07-2008, 11:54 PM
This one is so easy.

Godzilla
02-08-2008, 03:18 AM
Although there is several I can mention, I will say that I was especially disappointed with Sienna being cast as Baroness.

As it was suggested on another Joe thread, in terms of appearance especially, she would have made a much more acceptable Zarana.

That-Guy
02-08-2008, 09:02 AM
The only one I really have a problem with at this point is Marlon Wayans. I'm not a huge GI Joe fan, so I'm not so concerned about the character of Ripcord... I've just hated all things Wayans-related for years.

I would liken the Wayans brothers to herpes. They sprout up from time to time, cause a big problem, and then they go away for a while and you forget about them. But THEY. KEEP. COMING. BACK. No matter what you do to rid yourself of them, in the back of your mind you always know that they'll never completely go away.

Ironfan72
02-08-2008, 09:22 AM
So, it's confirmed that Joseph Gorden Levitt is Cobra Commander? I hadn't read that anywhere, I would have prefered Gary Oldman for Commander, but I'll wait and see how he looks and acts, before I say good or bad, if true.

Voyeur
02-08-2008, 01:30 PM
Gotta go with Tatum. There are some other bad casting choices. But I don't really plan on Ripcord being THAT important a character. Duke is easily one of the 2 or 3 most important characters in the film. Probably the character we are supposed to follow and possibly identify with for this film and future films. Casting Tatum is complete negligence for such an important character.

K.B.
02-08-2008, 02:45 PM
It really is hard to pick just ONE person on this list because they really screwed the pooch on the casting and choice of characters on this picture.

tamron
02-08-2008, 05:21 PM
So, it's confirmed that Joseph Gorden Levitt is Cobra Commander?

Not confirmed, but highly speculated.

Loki
02-08-2008, 06:52 PM
i like the cast

Jake Cassidy
02-08-2008, 07:10 PM
Me too. It's not that bad. Some people just overreact to everything.

Kable24
02-08-2008, 07:25 PM
I think Joseph Gordon Levitt would be Billy, Cobra Commanders son more than the Commander himself.

Voyeur
02-08-2008, 07:32 PM
No, some of us would like to see a reasonably faithful adaptation of the comics/cartoon...some of us old fans of G.I. Joe simply want it to be good. Call it overreacting if you will.

At least when Daniel Craig was cast as James Bond...or Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker, you knew that the filmakers were looking to do something interesting dispite seemingly unorthodox casting. Casting Tatum as Duke or Kurkova as Cover Girl just seems lazy, more than anything else.

Jamie Madrox
02-09-2008, 02:37 PM
Marlon Wayans as Ripcord. Not pleased with them changing a character for a movie, or with an actor taking role he should'nt be taking. He'd be better as Big La.

DarthRekal
02-09-2008, 03:02 PM
Marlon Wayans as Ripcord. Not pleased with them changing a character for a movie, or with an actor taking role he should'nt be taking. He'd be better as Big La.
I woulda liked him as Alpine

QueerMike
02-09-2008, 04:03 PM
No, some of us would like to see a reasonably faithful adaptation of the comics/cartoon...some of us old fans of G.I. Joe simply want it to be good. Call it overreacting if you will.

At least when Daniel Craig was cast as James Bond...or Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker, you knew that the filmakers were looking to do something interesting dispite seemingly unorthodox casting. Casting Tatum as Duke or Kurkova as Cover Girl just seems lazy, more than anything else.

The Cover Girl casting isn't a big deal in my eyes. Cover Girl WAS a model before her enlistement so it's not much of a reach. Although, all the castings of foreign people is a bit alarming. Not because they are foreign but because of the accent factor. If they can all speak with authentic american accents then all is cool.

As for Tatum as Duke, it's starting to see him worse than Wayans as Ripcord to a lot of fans. I mean, Duke is likely the character whom this franchise will center around. Dennis Quaid is the biggest star attached so far as Gen. Hawk. Duke should have been filled by someone comprable or bigger than Quaid in my opinion. Someone on the same level as Ryan Gosling would have been fit much better.

QueerMike
02-09-2008, 04:21 PM
I woulda liked him as Alpine

Agreed. Alpine was the same skin tone AND had a
goofy sense of humor. I would have saved Alpine, Bazooka, and Leatherneck for a third film.

Alpine = Marlon Wayans
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Leatherneck = Josh Brolin
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TheVileOne
02-09-2008, 04:58 PM
Wayans as Ripcord and Tatum as Duke. Especially now that Ripcord hooks up with SCARLETT. If that ends up getting filmed, **** this movie.

mr. peasant
02-09-2008, 06:20 PM
Wayans as Ripcord and Tatum as Duke. Especially now that Ripcord hooks up with SCARLETT. If that ends up getting filmed, **** this movie.

Color me slow, but where did you hear that?

tamron
02-09-2008, 06:38 PM
Wayans as Ripcord and Tatum as Duke. Especially now that Ripcord hooks up with SCARLETT. If that ends up getting filmed, **** this movie.

What?!? Are you f'n kidding me? Where'd you read that?!? Where? :huh:

Golgo-13
02-09-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm sorry. As much as i love Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje as an actor, his American accent sucks...bad!

The bald black guy from Underworld, or the guy from POTA and King Kong would have made a better HD.

QueerMike
02-10-2008, 02:04 AM
I'm sorry. As much as i love Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje as an actor, his American accent sucks...bad!

The bald black guy from Underworld, or the guy from POTA and King Kong would have made a better HD.

Right. It's not that alot of the american characters are being portrayed by non-americans. It's that they accents are bad. The guys playing Breaker and Guty actually look good for their parts but.... Breaker is supposed to be from Alabama and Duty, well I don't even think he should be in the movie. I don't know how the actress playing Cover Girl speaks so I can't say much yet.

K.B.
02-10-2008, 07:00 PM
Ashton Kutcher as Bazooka? Are you one of the real casting directors for the Joe movie, cuz that choice SUCKED.

TheVileOne
02-11-2008, 03:23 AM
Kevin Gravioux was in Underworld. Was also in Dodgeball.

The Scarlett/Ripcord thing was on Hisstank.com. I'm anxiously awaiting to hear mr. peasant's defense.

mr. peasant
02-11-2008, 04:33 AM
The Scarlett/Ripcord thing was on Hisstank.com. I'm anxiously awaiting to hear mr. peasant's defense.

Well, the simplest defense is that the news comes from a forum, hence its veracity is no better than here since anyone can post it (and in this case, it's a new member). Plus, s/he claims the news comes from 'people with copies of the script', without specifically mentioning where these people are from, or even of their involvement in G.I. Joe. It has not been released/spoiled by anyone in an official capacity. Plus, others who also make references to the script (again, doesn't mean they've actually seen it, or know anyone who has) claim that isn't the case.

TheVileOne
02-11-2008, 04:50 AM
That's not much of a defense if it is true.

mr. peasant
02-11-2008, 04:55 AM
That's not much of a defense if it is true.

So, not knowing who the source of your information is not a good defense against the quality of information you're receiving? I'm not saying it's wrong (though I seriously hope so). Rather, do take it with a grain of salt at least until an independent party corroborates with this claim. Until then, you've only got one unverified source from a third party.

Bug-Eyed Earl
02-11-2008, 03:25 PM
Well, it should be noted that all this stems from one guy on imdb who claims to have the script but won't share it. The guy who started the "what happened to sE/Scarlett" thread on hisstank is another guy from imdb who is repeating the info from that one guy- I know because I PM'd him and asked if he had the script, and he said no, and he identified himself as another imdb poster.

So I'm not saying its not true, just that it really does seem to be coming from one person, and one anonymous source who won't share his info is not someone you should believe without a grain of salt.

BTW- I found out I might be able to get it. We'll see. Then I'll get back to you.

bell110
02-11-2008, 03:51 PM
Saw a couple of complains about actors and their accents. I haven't been following this movie closely, but from what I've seen, aren't they making the Joes an international team? If that's the case, than maybe they're purposefully casting these actors FOR their accents.

TheVileOne
02-11-2008, 04:02 PM
Well, it should be noted that all this stems from one guy on imdb who claims to have the script but won't share it. The guy who started the "what happened to sE/Scarlett" thread on hisstank is another guy from imdb who is repeating the info from that one guy- I know because I PM'd him and asked if he had the script, and he said no, and he identified himself as another imdb poster.

So I'm not saying its not true, just that it really does seem to be coming from one person, and one anonymous source who won't share his info is not someone you should believe without a grain of salt.

BTW- I found out I might be able to get it. We'll see. Then I'll get back to you.
All of which sounded legit based on the reports from El Mayimbe, who spilled the beans a ton along with one of the mods on Hisstank.com. Just saying, they did match the other reports which we know are legit.

CorpusBlack
02-11-2008, 04:20 PM
Tatum for me. I wanted a more powerful proven actor as Duke. Not some guy from a worthless dance movie that just happens to be hot right now.

That-Guy
02-11-2008, 07:10 PM
I haven't seen Tatum in anything, but the sheer fact that he was in a dance movie makes me have concerns.

Octoberist
02-12-2008, 01:30 AM
Is it me, while there's some 'iffy' choices, overall, or this is a damn good cast.

Jake Cassidy
02-12-2008, 02:14 AM
Is it me, while there's some 'iffy' choices, overall, or this is a damn good cast.

I agree. There's more good than bad.

Nightmare
02-12-2008, 04:52 AM
Chase Tatum? I always hear about girls screaming about how hot he is. He always seemed like a pretty boy to me.

Wayans better put on the acting role of his life.

Philly Phanboy
02-12-2008, 10:21 AM
Voted for Murray and Kurkova...even though Murray has since been replaced.

I'm kinda surprised Marlon Wayans has so many votes. He's not so much a problem of being cast wrong as his character is being an ill-conceived attempt at having comedy relief.

Voyeur
02-12-2008, 12:34 PM
I agree there is more good than bad (I'm especially pleased with the new casting of Destro). But miscasting Duke could be deadly for me. He's my favorite character and one of the most important characters.

kedd
02-12-2008, 05:42 PM
Wayans as Ripcord and Tatum as Duke. Especially now that Ripcord hooks up with SCARLETT. If that ends up getting filmed, **** this movie.

Why is that so horrible exactly? I'm not understanding why that alone is reason enough to drop a movie.

And to others: I'm no fan of Marlon Wayans, but fi you doubt his dramatic ability, rent Requiem for a Dream.

CorpusBlack
02-12-2008, 05:48 PM
Chase Tatum? I always hear about girls screaming about how hot he is. He always seemed like a pretty boy to me.

Wayans better put on the acting role of his life.

Wayans is actually a pretty good actor when he needs to be. His role in 'Requiem For A Dream' was enough validation for me.

stsin0
02-12-2008, 10:06 PM
Well shooting has started with no news of Wayans getting dumped...
Only my love of G.I.Joe and my desire to see Snake Eyes beat some @$$ on screen are holding me back from slamming this movie up one side of the internet and down the other. As to the Joseph Gordon-Levitt controversy, I would like to encourage posters to take it easy on him. Using him as a "Rex" character and not just throwing him in as The Commander means that even with less success than this movie will have we would pretty much be guaranteed a sequel. YO JOE!

K.B.
02-14-2008, 01:00 AM
I still can't believe people are thinking Wayans is going to give some sort of tour de force dramatic role equel to whatever he did in "Requiem". Get your heads out of your a**ses.

This is G.I.JOE!!!! A multi-million dollar summer blockbuster!!!

Want to know what type of role he will be playing?

THE EXACT SAME ONE HE HAS BEEN FOR YEARS!!!!

Anyone who thinks that for G.I.Joe he is going to suddenly change his money making formula of playing characters that set his people back 200 years needs a serious kick in the balls from a wingtip.

tamron
02-14-2008, 12:23 PM
I still can't believe people are thinking Wayans is going to give some sort of tour de force dramatic role equel to whatever he did in "Requiem".

This is G.I.JOE!!!! A multi-million dollar summer blockbuster!!!

Want to know what type of role he will be playing?

THE EXACT SAME ONE HE HAS BEEN FOR YEARS!!!!

Co-sign. Any hope for Wayans performance went out the window when LDB described Ripcord's character "as the best friend who sorta gets Duke in trouble all the time and Duke has to bail him out all the time and have fun with him." Clearly, he's the goofy sidekick, the Detective Carter to Duke's Inspector Lee, to use a Rush Hour analogy. This is no "Requiem".

kedd
02-14-2008, 12:31 PM
First people are upset he's cast because they don't think he has any serious acting skills, then people point out that he does have serious acting skills, after which people point out "well this isn't a serious role". what the hell people? are you just looking for things to complain about? Are we that fanboyish now? And I'm still trying to get answer to what TheVile One said. Why is that spoiler you posted the things that'll push you over the edge and say eff this movie? I'd really like to know

K.B.
02-14-2008, 02:54 PM
I was NEVER a fan of Wayans being cast. Ever. Here is the difference between me and about 99.9% of the people on this board : If a production does or cast someone I don't agree with, I hate it. I don't take the sissy excuse and say "I'll reserve judgment" or "Wait for the context" b.s. chances are, more often then not, if it sucks in pre production it will suck in the final cut. Fans nowadays have VERY little balls and it honestly makes my sick.

What will it take for fandom as a whole to become angry and vocal again like in the good old days? How many of our favorite franchises and characters have to be raped before you guys open your eyes?

And to answer your question : Becasue Scarlet should only ever end up with Snake Eyes.

kedd
02-14-2008, 04:02 PM
I was NEVER a fan of Wayans being cast. Ever. Here is the difference between me and about 99.9% of the people on this board : If a production does or cast someone I don't agree with, I hate it. I don't take the sissy excuse and say "I'll reserve judgment" or "Wait for the context" b.s. chances are, more often then not, if it sucks in pre production it will suck in the final cut. Fans nowadays have VERY little balls and it honestly makes my sick.

What will it take for fandom as a whole to become angry and vocal again like in the good old days? How many of our favorite franchises and characters have to be raped before you guys open your eyes?

And to answer your question : Becasue Scarlet should only ever end up with Snake Eyes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're saying you won't give anything a chance unless it matches your vision precisely? And that fans are testicle free if they are open to changes being made in a property? If this is indeed what you're saying, my only response is "Wow".
Something alot of people don't seem to accept is that, no matter how much we love these various properties and franchises from our youth, they are still only properties and franchises. They are there to make a buck for the companies that own them. Our fan tenure means squat. The comapnies want the widest appeal to bring in the largest population in order to make the most money. All the pissing and moaning the vocal fans do amounts to little in the long run because for every one of the longtime fans oppossed to some random change in the movie, there'll be two or three other new fans who love it.
Your response to my question fits in with what I've said above. I have a new question now though:
Why is change such a bad thing? Why do we as fans expect these properties and characters to stay static?

Edit* Also: I'm not questioning whether or not anyone is a fan of Marlon Wayans(I'm not a fan personally)I'm questioning why everyone is so upset. Why does the reason change from:he can't be a serious actor to the opposition to the character's race being changed? And why is that when examples that refute those objections get raised a new reason materializes? It's like we're just looking for a reason to be upset. Can we not be happy a movie is being made first? and then once we have "evidence" that it sucks get pissy?

K.B.
02-14-2008, 05:53 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're saying you won't give anything a chance unless it matches your vision precisely? And that fans are testicle free if they are open to changes being made in a property? If this is indeed what you're saying, my only response is "Wow".


You are wrong. I do give things a chance and I am open to change when it makes sense but not change for changes sake and espeically not to be P.C. Fans are testicle free becasue they willingly accept all these changes blindly for the same reason you posted below: "Can we not be happy a movie is being made at all?"

I would much rather not have a fantastic four movie then a really, REALLY watered down version.

Like I said change that makes sense is o ki nmy books. Want to make Kingpin black? Ok that makes sense becasue of the choice in actor and size demands of the character he is portraying. Want to make a film adaptaion of WANTED but not refrence the source material at all? No thats just wrong.

Something alot of people don't seem to accept is that, no matter how much we love these various properties and franchises from our youth, they are still only properties and franchises. They are there to make a buck for the companies that own them. Our fan tenure means squat. The comapnies want the widest appeal to bring in the largest population in order to make the most money. All the pissing and moaning the vocal fans do amounts to little in the long run because for every one of the longtime fans oppossed to some random change in the movie, there'll be two or three other new fans who love it.


Go read up on the history of Batman '89 and tell me that fans don't mean squat.

Also it is a fact that the more love and faith put into building a franchise, the more money it makes. Case in point : Spider-man made a gajillion bucks because it was so well done that people paid multipul times to see it and the box office grew week by week.

The more you deviat the less likely the audience (fan or casual veiwer) will see it multipule times therefore instead of keeping a steady flow of cash coming in, you get your opening money and watch as your film slides down the box office faster then pills down Brittney Spears' throat.

Why is change such a bad thing? Why do we as fans expect these properties and characters to stay static?


Like I said , change isn't the bad thing it is the WHY behind the changes. As long as it is change for the right reason then there isn't much of a problem.

CorpusBlack
02-14-2008, 05:57 PM
Co-sign. Any hope for Wayans performance went out the window when LDB described Ripcord's character "as the best friend who sorta gets Duke in trouble all the time and Duke has to bail him out all the time and have fun with him." Clearly, he's the goofy sidekick, the Detective Carter to Duke's Inspector Lee, to use a Rush Hour analogy. This is no "Requiem".

Where'd you read that. I don't doubt you but I don't recall seeing that anywhere. That sucks, and I can see Ripcord totally sucking now as well.

kedd
02-14-2008, 06:29 PM
You are wrong. I do give things a chance and I am open to change when it makes sense but not change for changes sake and espeically not to be P.C.
How can you decide this change was made "for the sake of change" without any evidence past, what I'm guessing, is a gut feeling? I understand where you're coming from, but I don't follow your logic here. If the movie comes out and wayans completely sucks in the role, then by all means feel free to complain about it. Until we either see a polished product or we here from the makers of the movie, we have no idea WHY the change was made. We can't assume it was made just for the hell of it. As far as the PC remark: I understand your point their. If a change is made for the sake of pandering to ANY demographic I'm against it. If the change is made because the film makers thought it would make for an honestly better movie, then I can't fault them for that(This does not mean I'll be lovey with the final product)

Fans are testicle free becasue they willingly accept all these changes blindly for the same reason you posted below: "Can we not be happy a movie is being made at all?"

I would much rather not have a fantastic four movie then a really, REALLY watered down version.

I think you've missed what I was trying to say here so I'll try again: It's prefectly acceptable to be pissed if the final product of a movie is not to your liking. But to be pissy BEFORE ANYTHING has been produced makes no sense. You're angry with what you THINK is going to be the final product, not what it actually is. If there's no actual evidence that it sucks right now, there's nothing that validate spitting venom at the movie. In short:Until there is proof positive that a movie will suck why complain about it?


Want to make a film adaptaion of WANTED but not refrence the source material at all? No thats just wrong.
Referencing the source material is one thing, staying one hundred percent panel for panel is something else. I agree that not referencing the source material would be a bad thing, but this rarely happens. In most cases the source material is altered(sometimes drastically sometimes not so much). This speaks to the changes already mentioned.

The more you deviat the less likely the audience (fan or casual veiwer) will see it multipule times therefore instead of keeping a steady flow of cash coming in, you get your opening money and watch as your film slides down the box office faster then pills down Brittney Spears' throat.
The casual viewer is likely unconcerned with who much a film deviates from the source. Why? Because they aren't that familiar with it. This is why they are casual viewer. Let's take Ghost Rider for an example. gR fans HATED that movie, yet it made a mint. Why? Because casual fans loved it. There were likely more people that went to that movie because they're fans of Nick Cage than because they really followed GR as a character.


Like I said , change isn't the bad thing it is the WHY behind the changes. As long as it is change for the right reason then there isn't much of a problem.
Who decides when the change is made for the "right reason". Me? You?


As for the Batman reference: Fans hated the idea of Micheal Keaton as Batman. Studio response: Hire Bob Kane as a consultant. The movie makes millions, spawns a bunch of add ons that get progressively worse and eventually rebooted. So what do you want the Gi joe producers to do? Maybe hire Larry Hama? Hasn't that happened already? What can we change this complaint to now? Admittedly I'm not up on the fan complaints for Batman, so please let me know what other changes were made in response to the rabid fan base.

mr. peasant
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
The more you deviat the less likely the audience (fan or casual veiwer) will see it multipule times therefore instead of keeping a steady flow of cash coming in, you get your opening money and watch as your film slides down the box office faster then pills down Brittney Spears' throat.

I disagree regarding what draws audiences. If the movie is 'good', it'll draw people to watch it again and again. Of course, what defines 'good' is completely subjective. For some (e.g. hardcore fans), it is to-the-letter adherence of the source material, for action movie buffs, it's more likely along the lines of the number of explosions in the movie. The thing is, the things people want aren't the same and isn't always predictable.

What is known is that adhering to the source material is not necessary for the movie to be a success. Take a look at the remake of the Italian Job movie. The only things they stayed true to was that the main characters are planning to steal something, and that they used minis. Yet, it was a massive success.


If a change is made for the sake of pandering to ANY demographic I'm against it.

But the problem is, any decision (including doing nothing) is made to cater to a particular demographic, especially in business. Whether it's adding more action content, better development of a story, etc, it's made to attract a particular demographic. For instance, the more you adhere to the source material, the more you're catering towards long-time fans.

kedd
02-14-2008, 08:34 PM
I'm really not sure how to reword what I said. I'll say this though, I draw line between Catering towards fans and pandering. I'll try to make sense of this later

K.B.
02-14-2008, 10:05 PM
Where'd you read that. I don't doubt you but I don't recall seeing that anywhere. That sucks, and I can see Ripcord totally sucking now as well.

It was in an interview with Boniventure a few weeks before they cast Zartan and Hawk. Those were his exact words too. I'm sure you can find it on iesb.com

How can you decide this change was made "for the sake of change" without any evidence past, what I'm guessing, is a gut feeling? I understand where you're coming from, but I don't follow your logic here. If the movie comes out and wayans completely sucks in the role, then by all means feel free to complain about it. Until we either see a polished product or we here from the makers of the movie, we have no idea WHY the change was made. We can't assume it was made just for the hell of it.

2 points can be made here.

1) since day one the producers have fretted over how this can be marketed globally since the tag line of the cartoon was " a real american hero" and the subject matter is about an american military force. Note, not "how do we make this a great film" but "how do we market this globally". There are numorus interviews from both the producer and hasbro where this line has been quoted and if you have followed it since day one I'm sure you'll remember.

2)If your a fan of G.I. Joe then you wil lrecall that there are actually a good healthy number of black characters that Wayans could have played instead of just randomly picking a white character and changing his background just to suit a demo. Many fans have said that they wouldn't have been so bothered if he had been cast as Alpine. Myself. while not my first choice for Alpine, at least it would have made SENSE to cast him and it wouldn't have stung so bad and been such a "wtf?!?" moment for all joe fans. This also turns to the age old "race card". Like I said, there are a number of strong black characters in the Joeverse that deserve the spotlight he could have been cast as, so WHY make such a change? It is not disimmiler to the casting of Jolie as a black character from WANTED.

"Your telling me you couldn't find one strong, black female actress in all of hollywood to play Fox?/ Your telling me you couldn't find one black character in G.I. Joe so you had to take a white one and switch race?"

(that quote wasn't directed towards you, just the line of logic that helps illistate my point I'm trying to make. Hope it helps, I'm sure you get what I mean thoguh.)

If there's no actual evidence that it sucks right now, there's nothing that validate spitting venom at the movie. In short:Until there is proof positive that a movie will suck why complain about it?


But there already is : Lackluster casting and a script that leaves a little to be desired. Do I hope G.I. Joe turns out great? Yes I do. I never want any of these films to fail. I would love for Joe to do Transformers money x's 10 mill, and I have no doubts it will, I would just love for there to be a GREAT joe film to back up the B.O. instead of just the quick cash grab A LOT of these films turn out to be.

Referencing the source material is one thing, staying one hundred percent panel for panel is something else. I agree that not referencing the source material would be a bad thing, but this rarely happens. In most cases the source material is altered(sometimes drastically sometimes not so much). This speaks to the changes already mentioned.


Happens a lot more then you would think. Like I said, I don't mind certain changes and I'm not the guy in the crowd yelling "but he didn't do that till issue 242!!!"

The casual viewer is likely unconcerned with who much a film deviates from the source. Why? Because they aren't that familiar with it. This is why they are casual viewer. Let's take Ghost Rider for an example. gR fans HATED that movie, yet it made a mint. Why? Because casual fans loved it. There were likely more people that went to that movie because they're fans of Nick Cage than because they really followed GR as a character.


K maybe I didnt explain it properly. Filmgoers are not as stupid as studios seem to think. A bad movie is a bad movie and the audience can tell wether they are comic geeks or never ever heard of the source material. Lets take F.F. for example, deviated WAY to far and the the box office suffered. Made most of its cash opening day and then sank. Spider-man, opens and is done well and with respect to the source contiues to kill in ticket sales.

Bad move using GR as I don't know of ANYONE who liked it GR fan or casual veiwer. One of only 3 time I have been in a theater where after the film, literally the entire crowd vocalizes how sh**ty it was (the other 2 being the art of war and the village).

Fans hated the idea of Micheal Keaton as Batman. Studio response: Hire Bob Kane as a consultant.

Actually, when fans hated Keaton as Bats WB rushed out a trailer as fast as they could and this instantaily won fans over. Kane was hired long before this as he was on set daily and helped during pre production giving "input".

Lord Doom
02-14-2008, 10:12 PM
Ho! I didn't see Marlon Wayans as Ripcord! Ouch.

Frosty81
02-16-2008, 02:22 PM
I'll be the first to admit that I hated the idea of Tatum as Duke. However, if Michael Mann is willing to cast him as Pretty Boy Floyd in a movie that stars Christian Bale and Johnny Depp, then I will hold my opinion. Sommers has yet to make a truly great film, while Mann has made many. His ensemble casts are generally top notch.

DarthRekal
02-16-2008, 02:29 PM
christian bale AND Johnny depp :wow:

Dr. Fate
02-16-2008, 11:22 PM
I voted Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Cobra Commander. Worst. Casting. Ever.

mr. peasant
02-17-2008, 11:25 AM
I voted Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Cobra Commander. Worst. Casting. Ever.

Awaits patiently for when Dr. Fate will be screaming "JGL WAS FANTASTIC AS CC!!!!1!" in 2009. :whatever:

In all seriousness, I can't see how anyone can say any particular actor is the 'worst casting decision' without actually having seen their performance in said movie. Even the best of actors can fall flat due to poor scripting and/or bad chemistry with the others while weak actors can shine through good direction, by playing off one another or by just fully understanding the role. The anti-JGL sentiment is made even more confusing when one considers the extensive body of work he's accomplished since 3rd Rock from the Sun, many of which he's been critically acclaimed for.

Kokoryu1
02-17-2008, 12:07 PM
Awaits patiently for when Dr. Fate will be screaming "JGL WAS FANTASTIC AS CC!!!!1!" in 2009. :whatever:

In all seriousness, I can't see how anyone can say any particular actor is the 'worst casting decision' without actually having seen their performance in said movie. Even the best of actors can fall flat due to poor scripting and/or bad chemistry with the others while weak actors can shine through good direction, by playing off one another or by just fully understanding the role. The anti-JGL sentiment is made even more confusing when one considers the extensive body of work he's accomplished since 3rd Rock from the Sun, many of which he's been critically acclaimed for.

While you may be right about JGL explain Channing Tatum as Duke (Uh Oh Cobra just got served!) or Marlon Wayans as Ripcord? Oh wait a minute, I see this movie is supposed to be a comedy! Can't you see it? Duke breakdances his way into Destros' castle and and challenges Commander Rexs' elite Spin vipers to a dance off for world domination! Makes sense now.

Kokoryu1
02-17-2008, 02:44 PM
This Movie should have involved been an adaptation of the first comic or maybe the first Special Missions issue.While I like Dennis Quaid as Hawk[/URL].My vote would have gone to Kurt Russell. Duke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hawkgijoe.jpg) isn't some young just out of school kid. He's a mid 30's early 40's battle tested veteran which is why he was General Flaggs' and Hawks pick for Field Commander. You won't get that feel from Tatum. Cole Hauserhttp://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/18/76/0000041876_20070803142617.jpgis a far better choice. Not too old (33) but no spring chicken either.Even better he has the initials C. Hauser!. Ripcord/ Marlon Wayans (especially since Ripcords a white guy) shouldn't be in this movie, he was'nt a member of the original group.Then again neither was Duke but he is far more integral to the storyline than Ripcord. Baroness? Sexy, Snooty and Sophisticated.How about Liz Hurley or Catherine Zeta Jones. Even Kate Beckinsale or Monica Bellucci. Why Heavy Duty and not Roadblock? (http://javascript<b></b>:basicPopup('/gijoe/closeup.cfm?imageLoc=/gijoe/images/bios/&image=baroness_full.jpg');)http://www.icpress.com/Gallery/prtrt/bobsapp1.jpgPlayed by Bob Sapp or Michael Clark Duncan. Both these guys stand at 6'4 and 6'5 respectivley since Road block is supposed to be the big guy of the Joe team(Sapps taller than Duncan). Snake Eyes/Ray Park? Short 5'9" but Workable. Although Shanehttp://www.japanhero.com/Graphics/actors/kane%20kosugi/image-1.jpg Kosugi, the son of and trained by an actual Ninja Sho Kosugi might have been a better choice. At 5'11" he has Blackbelt Degrees in Karate, Kendo, Judo, Kobudo, and Tae Kwon Do. Has also trained in gymnastics and Wu Shu. 38 titles and 167 trophies later you have Snake eyes.
Just hope they don't put in that Vow of silence crap. Snake can't talk because his face and throat were damaged rescuing Scarlett from a helicopter crash/explosion. (http://javascript<b></b>:basicPopup('/gijoe/closeup.cfm?imageLoc=/gijoe/images/bios/&image=snakeeyes_full.jpg');)Scarletts casting, while not a bad choice, could have been given to Jennifer Garnerhttp://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/823/823594/jennifer-garner-20070928105516701-000.jpg. You know she could do the stunts and fighting sequences. Red the hair and there you go. Destro? How about Liam Neeson or Jeremy Irons.Hell! He did Eragon! Zartan (http://javascript<b></b>:basicPopup('/gijoe/closeup.cfm?imageLoc=/gijoe/images/bios/&image=destro_full.jpg');), the master of disguise played by Jason Statham. Now onto someone REALLY important Cobra Commander. This actor has to be versatile edgy and pull of the megalomaniacal role supremely. He has to make you believe he's a genius behind his insanity. Ladies and Germs I present to youhttp://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20060929/244.oldman.gary.092706.jpgGary Oldman. Any objections? Stalker (http://javascript<b></b>:basicPopup('/gijoe/closeup.cfm?imageLoc=/gijoe/images/bios/&image=cobracommander_full.jpg');)needs to be prtrayed much like Duke. Coolheaded combat vet and a leader who is relatively serious most of the time. Try as I might I had a hard time coming up with someone to fill this role until I was watching Tears of the Sun and saw Eamonn Walkerhttp://cache.viewimages.com/xc/71515518.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABB31B7114F8DC7CAB3 A40A659CEC4C8CB6. Despite Him being British He's an awesome actor. Tomax and Xamot[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xamot.gif"] portrayed by http://www.michellerowen.com/blog/uploaded_images/cillian-murphy-01-758160.jpgCilian Murphy. Finally to write this film How about the Collaborative team of Larry Hama (theGI JOE Expert) David Goyer The writer for Batman Begins and David Hayter,the writer for the first 2 Xmen movies as well as the voice actor for Solid Snake. I had a few other characters/actors in mind but time and budget constraints and the fact that I wasn't asked beg me to post my opinions here only!

mr. peasant
02-17-2008, 02:53 PM
While you may be right about JGL explain Channing Tatum as Duke (Uh Oh Cobra just got served!) or Marlon Wayans as Ripcord? Oh wait a minute, I see this movie is supposed to be a comedy! Can't you see it? Duke breakdances his way into Destros' castle and and challenges Commander Rexs' elite Spin vipers to a dance off for world domination! Makes sense now.

It's interesting you brought Tatum up. He's actually got an interesting career history beyond 'Step Up' and 'He's the Man'. Apparently, he was supposed to play Gambit for X3 (or at least auditioned for it) but was not cast as the character was removed. Plus, he's in Stop Loss (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489281/), where he plays a soldier who served in Iraq (interestingly enough, JGL is also in this film). Does this prove that he's the best guy for the job? No. But it does show that he's actually got a diverse range.

Kokoryu1
02-17-2008, 03:40 PM
It's interesting you brought Tatum up. He's actually got an interesting career history beyond 'Step Up' and 'He's the Man'. Apparently, he was supposed to play Gambit for X3 (or at least auditioned for it) but was not cast as the character was removed. Plus, he's in Stop Loss (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489281/), where he plays a soldier who served in Iraq (interestingly enough, JGL is also in this film). Does this prove that he's the best guy for the job? No. But it does show that he's actually got a diverse range.
I am not saying he's a bad actor just a bad choice. Would you have gone to see Xmen if Morgan Freeman had been cast as Magneto? Glenn Close as Jean Grey? Or better yet Jack Nicholson as Professor X? Great actors bad casting. If you are so intent on having him in the Movie how about cast him as Falcon or even Flint?

mr. peasant
02-17-2008, 03:56 PM
I am not saying he's a bad actor just a bad choice. Would you have gone to see Xmen if Morgan Freeman had been cast as Magneto? Glenn Close as Jean Grey? Or better yet Jack Nicholson as Professor X? Great actors bad casting. If you are so intent on having him in the Movie how about cast him as Falcon or even Flint?

In your previous post, you insinuated that Tatum was incapable of pulling off a serious version of Duke, which I disagreed, pointing his dramatic experience. Plus, there are several reasons to have him as Duke such as:

1. He bears a good physical resemblance to Duke, especially the more recent renditions of him, particularly Sigma Six.
2. He's likely capable of the physical aspects the role is likely to call for.
3. He's had past experience acting as a soldier.
4. He's been described as hardworking, serious about his work and determined to improve, all of which fits with Duke's personality.
5. Finally, he's old enough to play a character of Duke's rank as long as he's promoted/fastracked at record speed, which again would fit Duke as the leader of a special ops team.

Again, not saying he's the best person for the job. But that he's good enough.

Oerwinde
02-17-2008, 04:10 PM
More of a character choice than a casting choice, why the hell did they choose Heavy Duty over Roadblock?

Kokoryu1
02-17-2008, 04:57 PM
In your previous post, you insinuated that Tatum was incapable of pulling off a serious version of Duke, which I disagreed, pointing his dramatic experience. Plus, there are several reasons to have him as Duke such as:

1. He bears a good physical resemblance to Duke, especially the more recent renditions of him, particularly Sigma Six.
2. He's likely capable of the physical aspects the role is likely to call for.
3. He's had past experience acting as a soldier.
4. He's been described as hardworking, serious about his work and determined to improve, all of which fits with Duke's personality.
5. Finally, he's old enough to play a character of Duke's rank as long as he's promoted/fastracked at record speed, which again would fit Duke as the leader of a special ops team.

Again, not saying he's the best person for the job. But that he's good enough.
Are you Tatums agent? Again, Not saying He's a bad actor, But Would you have followed Stormin Norman into battle if he was fresh out of boot camp? Duke is what is considered to be a grizzled vet. This kid barely shaves his face. How about Kurt Russell then? He fits all of your criteria and fits the age too. Then again you are probably happy with the casting of Ripcord too. I am not trying to provoke an argument with you but I consider myself a diehard fan of G.I. Joe. as are most of us on this page. And certain people just aren't right for certain roles. A kid who plays wheelchair basket ball can not hope to compete in the NBA no matter how good he is! Quick question. At your workplace if someone were to come along and be your supervisor after being fasttracked to the top would you want to follow him. Would he inspire you? Doubtful. I know this is a fictional universe but I imgine that believability plays into the dynamic of a script. And I for one would be hard pressed to see this guy Tatum as a seasoned leader of men. And for the record We real fans consider Sigma six, G.I.Joe Extreme & Sgt.Savage a slap in the face. It should have been called Sigma Sick.

Kokoryu1
02-17-2008, 04:59 PM
In your previous post, you insinuated that Tatum was incapable of pulling off a serious version of Duke, which I disagreed, pointing his dramatic experience. Plus, there are several reasons to have him as Duke such as:

1. He bears a good physical resemblance to Duke, especially the more recent renditions of him, particularly Sigma Six.
2. He's likely capable of the physical aspects the role is likely to call for.
3. He's had past experience acting as a soldier.
4. He's been described as hardworking, serious about his work and determined to improve, all of which fits with Duke's personality.
5. Finally, he's old enough to play a character of Duke's rank as long as he's promoted/fastracked at record speed, which again would fit Duke as the leader of a special ops team.

Again, not saying he's the best person for the job. But that he's good enough.
Are you Tatums agent? Again, Not saying He's a bad actor, But Would you have followed Stormin Norman into battle if he was fresh out of boot camp? Duke is what is considered to be a grizzled vet. This kid barely shaves his face. How about Kurt Russell then? He fits all of your criteria and fits the age too. Then again you are probably happy with the casting of Ripcord too. I am not trying to provoke an argument with you but I consider myself a diehard fan of G.I. Joe. as are most of us on this page. And certain people just aren't right for certain roles. A kid who plays wheelchair basket ball can not hope to compete in the NBA no matter how good he is! Quick question. At your workplace if someone were to come along and be your supervisor after being fasttracked to the top would you want to follow him. Would he inspire you? Doubtful. I know this is a fictional universe but I imgine that believability plays into the dynamic of a script. And I for one would be hard pressed to see this guy Tatum as a seasoned leader of men. And for the record We real fans consider Sigma six, G.I.Joe Extreme & Sgt.Savage a slap in the face. It should have been called Sigma Sick. I got one for you, Lawrence Fishburn as Destro!

Kokoryu1
02-17-2008, 05:07 PM
Those folk who wrote this movie have no Idea about Joe Canon. This is pandering at its worst. Just making something to get a quick buck. Thats why Larry Hamma was bought on board last. The filming was already in progress when he came onboard as a "consultant". He would have had the script redone as soon as he'd read it. Thats why you have an African Heavy Duty instead of Roadblock, a nearly teenage Duke a woefully miscast Ripcord and an international force (Action Force Anybody?) instead of the REAL AMERICAN HERO Movie.

mr. peasant
02-17-2008, 06:46 PM
Those folk who wrote this movie have no Idea about Joe Canon. This is pandering at its worst. Just making something to get a quick buck. Thats why Larry Hamma was bought on board last. The filming was already in progress when he came onboard as a "consultant". He would have had the script redone as soon as he'd read it. Thats why you have an African Heavy Duty instead of Roadblock, a nearly teenage Duke a woefully miscast Ripcord and an international force (Action Force Anybody?) instead of the REAL AMERICAN HERO Movie.

Actually, Hama was announced to be onboard before filming began. Plus, let me reinforce that it was 'announced', meaning we don't know when exactly he was hired. Plus, his involvement seems to indicate that it's not as bad as people think it is (and that he approves of it in some general extent). Otherwise, he'd simply not have joined unless of course, you think he's 'sold out' too. In fact, most (if not all) of those who have gotten their hands on the script and reviewed it in an official capacity (including the guy at GIJoeClub) liked it.

As for Tatum, he's far from being a teenager. Last I checked, he's pushing thirty, and hasn't been a teenager for nearly ten years. And seriously though, a piece of plastic is a 'real American hero'? That kind of thinking is the true insult to the brave men and women serving the American military (and police, fire and all other emergency services).

Kokoryu1
02-17-2008, 07:31 PM
Actually, Hama was announced to be onboard before filming began. Plus, let me reinforce that it was 'announced', meaning we don't know when exactly he was hired. Plus, his involvement seems to indicate that it's not as bad as people think it is (and that he approves of it in some general extent). Otherwise, he'd simply not have joined unless of course, you think he's 'sold out' too. In fact, most (if not all) of those who have gotten their hands on the script and reviewed it in an official capacity (including the guy at GIJoeClub) liked it.

As for Tatum, he's far from being a teenager. Last I checked, he's pushing thirty, and hasn't been a teenager for nearly ten years. And seriously though, a piece of plastic is a 'real American hero'? That kind of thinking is the true insult to the brave men and women serving the American military (and police, fire and all other emergency services).

1. Announced is correct but I find it funny that he wasn't "announced" until after most of the casting was done. Selling out? No. But how much say so does a consultant have?. Quick question, wouldn't any sane person have hired an expert BEFORE starting th movie? Kinda like putting the wagon before the horse!
2. The guy at GI Joe club liked it?! Wellll that tears it for me. Theres a ringing endorsement. Hell I liked Ghostrider but If I were to ask a FAN of the character about it he'd probably break out in tears.
3. Real American Hero isn't what I called a piece of plastic. Believe me when I say I know who the real heros' are. I have family in Iraq now and family who have served in Desert Storm, Grenada, Beirut, Viet namn Korea and WW2. So I don't go using the name of Real American hero so lightly.
4. You must be Tatums Agent because only his agent would be so adamant about their client. Hey why not Samuel L. Jackson as ALL the Dreadnoks?! If he's not right for the role he's not right for the role! There's a difference betwen PUSHING 30 and being Over 30! WAIT a minute THIS IS CHANNING TATUM isn't it?
5. INSULT? Dude. ME? NYCDOC.7 years. I was pulling bodies from Ground zero on Sept 12 and then went to work in the morgue here. I still wake up with nightmares on occassion. So don't preach to me about being brave! What were you DOING!?
6. Its a fricking TOY! and the movies been cast, so no matter what we say here, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the long run! Opinions are like *******s everyone has 1!.

TheVileOne
02-17-2008, 07:53 PM
Sorry but Tatum looks nothing like Sigma 6 Duke.

mr. peasant
02-18-2008, 11:57 AM
3. Real American Hero isn't what I called a piece of plastic. Believe me when I say I know who the real heros' are. I have family in Iraq now and family who have served in Desert Storm, Grenada, Beirut, Viet namn Korea and WW2. So I don't go using the name of Real American hero so lightly.

Then you ought to understand what I mean when I say that people who complain/moan that taking the 'Real American Hero' tag being un-American. It was a gimmick used by Hasbro to sell toys, nothing more (at least to me anyway).

4. You must be Tatums Agent because only his agent would be so adamant about their client. Hey why not Samuel L. Jackson as ALL the Dreadnoks?! If he's not right for the role he's not right for the role! There's a difference betwen PUSHING 30 and being Over 30! WAIT a minute THIS IS CHANNING TATUM isn't it?

No, I'm not his agent (LOL). Not saying that he's the perfect choice to be Duke but there is some similarities that can be applied as reasoning of why he can be cast. Plus, I didn't say he was over 30 but rather that he isn't exactly a teenager either (which was what you said he was). Of course, I understand that comment was probably an exageration but I thought it was worth getting the record straight.

5. INSULT? Dude. ME? NYCDOC.7 years. I was pulling bodies from Ground zero on Sept 12 and then went to work in the morgue here. I still wake up with nightmares on occassion. So don't preach to me about being brave! What were you DOING!?
6. Its a fricking TOY! and the movies been cast, so no matter what we say here, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the long run! Opinions are like *******s everyone has 1!.

In that case, I applaud and completely respect the work and contribution you've given to your society. As for what I did, nothing. But only because I was under 18 at the time and live halfway around the world (not everyone here is American y'know). Regardless, I still find it difficult to understand how people can compare a plastic toy (especially one that was not made in honor of them but as a commercial product with profit as its primary focus) with the 'real American heroes' who are out there risking their lives on a daily basis to keep society safe. I don't know, that's just me.

JohnRico
02-18-2008, 09:41 PM
The whole cast pretty much sucks. But I will wait for the trailers before saying hell no

Jake Cassidy
02-18-2008, 10:37 PM
The whole cast pretty much sucks. But I will wait for the trailers before saying hell no

Dennis Quaid sucks!?!?!

BLASPHEMY!!!!

:grin:

JohnRico
02-18-2008, 10:43 PM
Dennis Quaid sucks!?!?!

BLASPHEMY!!!!

:grin:

Okay aside from Dennis Quaid & Arnold Vosloo the rest sucks. Is that better ?

Jake Cassidy
02-18-2008, 11:03 PM
Okay aside from Dennis Quaid & Arnold Vosloo the rest sucks. Is that better ?

Yes. Much better. :yay:

Voyeur
02-19-2008, 04:30 PM
Where are these people getting the idea Tatum is old enough to be a First Sergeant? As someone who's been in the Army, I respectfully disagree. I've seen many a 1ST SGT my time there and none under the age of 30! Let's say a soldier joins the Army at 18 and increases in rank every 2 years, you'd calculate that he/she would make 1ST SGT at 32 earliest.

Truthfully, it doesn't work that way. The higher the rank, the longer it takes to move on to the next. It might take only a year for a recruit to make Private First Class, but it usually takes much longer between Sergeant First Class to First Sergeant. I've seen one who made buck Sergeant at around 23. Very much a young NCO. One of my NCO's at Fort Irwin was a 26 year old Staff Sergeant, which is considered "fast track".

Every 1ST SGT I've ever seen ranged anywhere between mid-30's to into their 50's! And I've never seen a Sergeant Major younger than 40!

Having said all that, they may make Duke a Staff Sergeant, prepping him to lead the Joe's on short notice...or something.

mr. peasant
02-19-2008, 05:24 PM
Where are these people getting the idea Tatum is old enough to be a First Sergeant? As someone who's been in the Army, I respectfully disagree. I've seen many a 1ST SGT my time there and none under the age of 30! Let's say a soldier joins the Army at 18 and increases in rank every 2 years, you'd calculate that he/she would make 1ST SGT at 32 earliest.

Truthfully, it doesn't work that way. The higher the rank, the longer it takes to move on to the next. It might take only a year for a recruit to make Private First Class, but it usually takes much longer between Sergeant First Class to First Sergeant. I've seen one who made buck Sergeant at around 23. Very much a young NCO. One of my NCO's at Fort Irwin was a 26 year old Staff Sergeant, which is considered "fast track".

Every 1ST SGT I've ever seen ranged anywhere between mid-30's to into their 50's! And I've never seen a Sergeant Major younger than 40!

Having said all that, they may make Duke a Staff Sergeant, prepping him to lead the Joe's on short notice...or something.

True. However technically speaking, there isn't an age restriction on the rank and one can theoretically reach that post at a much earlier age than as practically occurs. Plus, given the increasing amount of 'field time' soldiers are receiving, it is thus believable for the general public to assume that Tatum's character attains this by being 'the best there ever was' (if they push the idea). Besides, just because he's 28 doesn't mean he's acting as someone older.

On a separate line of argument, do we actually know that they're keeping the standard command structure for G.I. Joe and that Duke will indeed be a First Sergeant in the movie? I mean, from what I can remember of G.I. Joe, they hardly maintained the official chain of command and seemed to do their own thing.

Voyeur
02-19-2008, 05:38 PM
True. However technically speaking, there isn't an age restriction on the rank and one can theoretically reach that post at a much earlier age than as practically occurs. Plus, given the increasing amount of 'field time' soldiers are receiving, it is thus believable for the general public to assume that Tatum's character attains this by being 'the best there ever was' (if they push the idea).

Well, you could look at it as a practical vs theoretical argument. I look at it as a realistic vs unrealistic argument. I suppose my view is colored by my actual experience in the military. I should really be more open-minded.

Seriously, your last argument about Duke possibly not even being a 1ST SGT is more on target I think.

Rick Roll'd
02-20-2008, 08:25 AM
When were you in the Military?

nieman
02-20-2008, 02:18 PM
I don't have a problem with changing the race of a character for the purpose of the actor/character. Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin worked because of the character, some character's personalties transcend their appearance a la Jack Nicholson as Joker or 90% of the characters Samuel L plays. So with said I still say Marlon Wayans is badly casted as Ripcord.

There are far too many black characters in G.I. Joe for them to change the race of Ripcord, then change his character. For all of that they could've just invented a new one. He could've played Doc, Big Lob, Iceberg, hell even Mercer, Alpine or even Beachhead if they were gonna change race.

Cobra Commander is bad because if Destro, Xamot/Tomax, Baroness, Zartan ever saw who was under the mask Cobra would fall to pieces because of the mutiny. They wouldn't take orders nor work with someone who didn't have the years under his belt to command such an organization.

But Channing Tatum as Duke is the worst because of the enormity of the character. He's the face of the Joes, the leader, the season vet, not a fresh faced rookie. Look at Gen. Hawk then look at Duke. Who the uff is gonna take orders from Duke. They should've got someone with some screen presence and in his mid 30s....hell Barry Pepper (had the blond crew cut), Cole Hauser, Ethan Hawke if they needed a pretty boy, even Michael Vartan for those that watched Alias.

Voyeur
02-20-2008, 02:26 PM
When were you in the Military?
I joined in 1997! 96B.

Đeadpool
02-23-2008, 01:28 PM
i like 'em all

The Man of Steel
02-27-2008, 01:33 PM
Rachel Nichols as Scarlett

xisaacx
03-02-2008, 12:51 PM
doesnt duke have hair isnt channing tatum bald?

Super_Ludacris
03-07-2008, 09:39 AM
I'm sorry. As much as i love Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje as an actor, his American accent sucks...bad!

The bald black guy from Underworld, or the guy from POTA and King Kong would have made a better HD.

Hes a great actor. The American Accent is the easiest accent in the world for an actor to potray. If he struggled with it in the past, I put it down to the role. What can do with Get Rich or Die Trying? BUT he was fantastic in OZ.

Get a swag up and ya hate down. Dust.

I SEE SPIDEY
03-25-2008, 04:31 PM
Now I'm not a huge G.I Joe fan so I'm not going to pretend I'm so up in arms about it, but alot of this cast does, for lack of a better word, suck. Tatum is too young and pretty boyish for Duke and I love love love JGL but he is all wrong for the role in which he was cast. Don't even get me started on that Marlon Wayans thing. I would expect nothing less of the man who wrote and directed Van Helsing.

Nokio
03-26-2008, 05:48 AM
Why am i not surprised that Wayans got the most votes? Tatum is the worst being cast as Duke. I don't see JGL as being a bad cast. He's a good actor.

andurilelessar
03-29-2008, 06:41 PM
Aww... they are not going to have Snow Job in this movie? Looks like there will be no " This looks like a go job for Snow Job " remarks.

Kokoryu1
03-30-2008, 06:07 PM
http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w40/img.17849_t.jpgPut some Goggles on this guy and here is your Snow Job! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!

Kokoryu1
03-30-2008, 06:23 PM
http://www.cinemazone.dk/images/image4732.JPGHEY! Look everybody, Matt Schulze showed up just in time to NOT be cast as Rock'n'Roll!

tamron
03-30-2008, 08:56 PM
Matt Schulze would be perfect as a Dreadnok, either Torch or Ripper.