Why So Serious? Needs YOU

[Harlekin]

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The 'Why So Serious? Gotham Noir' RPG needs you!

[Catman_prb]

Hey I applied, but no ones approved me yet.

[Byrd Man]

Nice graphic, Harl. I'll approve you ASAP Cats. But please, people. This is a good RPG don't let it die. If you don't post an app...

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"I'll **** you up."

[Eddie Brock]

This thread is win. :up:

[Harlekin]

Bump.

C'mon people, or I'll start to get mad :cmad:

[Blacklight]

I don't know. The only character I'd play at this point is Huntress and I play her in Ultimate DC. Or Zatanna but she's not really Gotham or appropriate for the concept. And Byrd says no Robin yet so he's out.

[Harlekin]

Well, if you like the Huntress, why not play somebody like the Black Canary?

[Blacklight]

Well, if you like the Huntress, why not play somebody like the Black Canary?
I don't really know as much about Canary, not to mention I think twy said she might pick her up if she becomes interested in the game. I don't want to rob her of that...

[Harlekin]

Well, as it is, nobody's interested in the game, so that doesn't really matter.

[Blacklight]

Well, as it is, nobody's interested in the game, so that doesn't really matter.
If you guys really need players, I could play a certain emerald guest star...

[Jono Starsmore]

So who's open to play? I'd be glad to help out; plus, I need to get involved in a DC RPG anyway.

[Eddie Brock]

If you guys really need players, I could play a certain emerald guest star...
A. One guest star at a time, and - as it is - a certain mild-mannered reporter is in town.

B. You need to be active as a character for at least a month to be eligible for guest stars.

[Blacklight]

A. One guest star at a time, and - as it is - a certain mild-mannered reporter is in town.

B. You need to be active as a character for at least a month to be eligible for guest stars.

But if you guys need players, then these rules kinda hinder that. I don't wanna have to be stuck playing a character I don't want just to play one I do want.

[Eddie Brock]

But if you guys need players, then these rules kinda hinder that. I don't wanna have to be stuck playing a character I don't want just to play one I do want.
Well, playing a guest star is a privilege. Maybe you should have just joined up - instead of waiting for your chance to play a one-shot character.

EDIT: Furthermore, after a month, guest stars are out of there. How the Hell does that help us? One month of steady posting? Puh-lease. :o

[Charlie No-One]

Although I see why you guys have those rules and I agree that they shouldn't be more than a one shot character, it is kind of weird to beg for activity and then hinder the choices to choose from. Maybe people can play a guest star without having to be in the game a month? If you open the door, people might see how well written the RPG is and pick up a steady character. You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot.

[Eddie Brock]

Although I see why you guys have those rules and I agree that they shouldn't be more than a one shot character, it is kind of weird to beg for activity and then hinder the choices to choose from. Maybe people can play a guest star without having to be in the game a month? If you open the door, people might see how well written the RPG is and pick up a steady character. You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot.
The purpose of the RPG is to highlight GOTHAM. If we let Guest Stars run about unhindered, soon it's just going to become a full-blown DC RPG.

There are plenty of other characters that are acceptable to play. You have to earn the right to play someone like Clark Kent, Oliver Queen, what-have-you.

[Blacklight]

Although I see why you guys have those rules and I agree that they shouldn't be more than a one shot character, it is kind of weird to beg for activity and then hinder the choices to choose from. Maybe people can play a guest star without having to be in the game a month? If you open the door, people might see how well written the RPG is and pick up a steady character. You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot.
I agree. Maybe playing Ollie Queen for a month would inspire me to play Canary as Harl suggested, or maybe inspire me to play Deathstroke for the long haul. Thing is I won't get the chance to paint with out a canvas first.

[Eddie Brock]

There's plenty of canvas - don't give me that bulls***. The reason that a Gotham RPG works is because the Batman family (and everything related to it) is so extensive that we don't need Superman, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman.

[Catman_prb]

Out of interest, could you have The Question active in WSS? Just cos he fits in so well with the setting.

[Eddie Brock]

Out of interest, could you have The Question active in WSS? Just cos he fits in so well with the setting.
I would say 'yes,' personally. But I am not one of the three GM's.

[Blacklight]

Would Slade fit the quota? I think I might be interested in playing him for a while.

[Charlie No-One]

The purpose of the RPG is to highlight GOTHAM. If we let Guest Stars run about unhindered, soon it's just going to become a full-blown DC RPG.

There are plenty of other characters that are acceptable to play. You have to earn the right to play someone like Clark Kent, Oliver Queen, what-have-you.

I know, see, and understand that. I think though that once all the good characters are taken, activity will dwindle and since it is essentially, no offense, a modified Begins universe, most of the characters that people want to play are taken. And by being a Gotham RPG, it is also, essentially, a Batman RPG, which is kind of against the rules. I think if you open it up more with custom detectives/characters or something like that, you will get more activity.

[Blacklight]

I know, see, and understand that. I think though that once all the good characters are taken, activity will dwindle and since it is essentially, no offense, a modified Begins universe, most of the characters that people want to play are taken. And by being a Gotham RPG, it is also, essentially, a Batman RPG, which is kind of against the rules. I think if you open it up more with custom detectives/characters or something like that, you will get more activity.

Now there's an idea.:up:

[Saved]

I agree. Maybe playing Ollie Queen for a month would inspire me to play Canary as Harl suggested, or maybe inspire me to play Deathstroke for the long haul. Thing is I won't get the chance to paint with out a canvas first.
Deathstroke is not a Gotham resident.

[Harlekin]

I'd say yes to that too. You don't need to limit yourself. We only extend a little influence when it comes to A) powered characters and B) the A-Listers. Any street-level character is allowed in this RPG. We've already brought the Vigilante over to Gotham, and the same can be done with somebody like the Question.

Heck, if you get a little creative, there's so many possibilities, like say, a powerless Jefferson Pierce.

[Blacklight]

Deathstroke is not a Gotham resident.
But he is a big villain of the Bat family and he'd fight right in, IMO.

[Saved]

But he is a big villain of the Bat family and he'd fight right in, IMO.
Ok, we are missing the point of this RPG. Its for Gotham only with occasional guest stars. Not lets bring the whole DC universe and center it in Gotham.

[Charlie No-One]

There isn't that many Gotham residents. Sure there are a lot but not many that people want to play.

[Blacklight]

Ok, we are missing the point of this RPG. Its for Gotham only with occasional guest stars. Not lets bring the whole DC universe and center it in Gotham.
But like Harl said, some characters that would fit well in Gotham can be done, and Deathstroke can be one of them, like the Question and Vigilante.

[Saved]

There isn't that many Gotham residents. Sure there are a lot but not many that people want to play.
Yes there are. Enough for everyone to have at least one.

[Blacklight]

Yes there are. Enough for everyone to have at least one.
Maybe enough for people who read Gotham Central, but some of us don't really know any other detective/mobster/villain characters besides the ones we know from Batman comics.

[Harlekin]

Like I meant to say, Deathstroke is very iffy. He's got powers, and is not really a noirish villain. Certainly not one to settle.

There's a little leeway when it comes to characters, but they need to have some ties to the Bat mythology and be a little noirish. There's enough of that in the Batman comics themselves, including detectives and mob bosses etc.

[Catman_prb]

So use ones from Batman comics. Though I did like the idea of making your own character...not sure if it would go down well though.

[Saved]

Do people really understand who lives in Gotham? Cause it is really a huge list, and if we are allowing some to be added, it only makes the list bigger.

Mob Bosses

Villians

Cops

Superheroes

Vigilantees


Big list.

[Byrd Man]

There isn't that many Gotham residents. Sure there are a lot but not many that people want to play.

Really?

Batman
Black Canary
Creeper
Ragman
Jim Gordon
Harvey Bullock
Commissioner Loeb
Flass
Crispus Allen
Renee Montoya
Marcus Driver
Vicki Vale
Alexander Knox
Alfred Pennyworth
Lucius Fox
Harold Allnut
Harvey Dent
Joker
Riddler
Scarecrow
Killer Croc
Poison Ivy
Harley Quinn
Firefly
Mister Freeze

and that's off the top of my head.

[Charlie No-One]

I'm talking about the ones who aren't taken and who someone who wants to play in the universe, but doesn't know of the small time characters.

[Saved]

I'm talking about the ones who aren't taken and who someone who wants to play in the universe, but doesn't know of the small time characters.
Not all of those are taken. infact, a small ammount of those are taken.

[Byrd Man]

I'm talking about the ones who aren't taken and who someone who wants to play in the universe, but doesn't know of the small time characters.

All they need to do is ask, and either the GMs, or Harl would be happy to help them.

[Charlie No-One]

If you didn't know of a character, would you want to play them?

[Byrd Man]

If you didn't know of a character, would you want to play them?

Maybe, maybe not. I like a bit of mystery...but like I said, if anyone is interested in joining the RPG, all they need to do is ask and we'd be happy to give them a list of Gotham residents and their backstory the best we can.

[Charlie No-One]

Ok. It just doesn't seem likely that someone would want to play a character they know nothing about. I still think a custom detective in the world of Batman would be interesting.

[Byrd Man]

Ok. It just doesn't seem likely that someone would want to play a character they know nothing about. I still think a custom detective in the world of Batman would be interesting.

I know, Custom characters would be allowed if someone signed up for them.

[Charlie No-One]

How can you sign up for them if they aren't allowed...

[Byrd Man]

How can you sign up for them if they aren't allowed...

Read, dude. They'd be allowed if someone signed up for one. So far all signees have been based in the comics and movies. I'd approve them, regardless of what MB said. We need fresh blood.

[Charlie No-One]

2. Rules Of Establishment:

Welcome To Gotham: Immerse yourself in the roles of the city's most famous, or infamous citizens. Choose anyone you want, bearing in mind they cannot be a customized, non-canonical, or fellow DC character. Assume their traits and personalities as your own, and never overstep their capabilities...
This is on the front page of the OOC thread...

[Byrd Man]

Exactly. So I say screw MB's rules. If the custom character fits the qualites of the RPG, they should be approved.

[Charlie No-One]

Why is there a Gotham which is essentially a Batman RPG anyway? Aren't these against the rules? :confused:

[Saved]

Why is there a Gotham which is essentially a Batman RPG anyway? Aren't these against the rules? :confused:
What? Batman is suppossed to NOT be the focal point of the RPG.

[Charlie No-One]

But you can only play his characters which makes it a Batman RPG...

[Byrd Man]

Why is there a Gotham which is essentially a Batman RPG anyway? Aren't these against the rules? :confused:

Batman is involved. But it's a Gotham RPG, there's a lot going on that Batman doesn't have a hand in. Namely the Riddler killings. So should I just give Batman up to prove that I'm commited to the RPG?

[Saved]

But you can only play his characters which makes it a Batman RPG...
You can only play Gotham City residents. Saying it is a Batman RPG is onesided. If you say that, you can say its a Nightwing RPG, or a Huntress RPG. Anyone in Gotham is available. Plus a few heroes we cheated in and guest stars.

[Byrd Man]

But you can only play his characters which makes it a Batman RPG...

Look. Either sign up or quit complaining. It was approved, nothing you can do about it. You should have commented while it was in the approval process.

[Saved]

Look. Either sign up or quit complaining. It was approved, nothing you can do about it. You should have commented while it was in the approval process.
Byrd, remember your lent promise. I still got a few days dammit! :cmad:

[Byrd Man]

Byrd, remember your lent promise. I still got a few days dammit! :cmad:

I was not being an ass-hole. I was stating an opinion. It could have been much worse.

[Saved]

I was not being an ass-hole. I was stating an opinion. It could have been much worse.
Whatever...just keep it cool. :word:

[Charlie No-One]

I too can air my opinion whenever I want. I wasn't complaining...I was asking. Apparently there isn't a difference around here. :whatever:

[Byrd Man]

Sorry, but it seems like you're nit-picking something that could have been done when the RPG was up for approval in late November.

[trustyside-kick]

It would perhaps feel a lot less like a "Batman" RPG, if it wasn't basically taking off from Batman Begins. I am not in that RPG, nor do I know much of what is going on...but I recall Cyrusbales making a comment as an RPer in that RPG not liking how people are basically "guessing what is going to happen in TDK", thus like writing a sequel to where the RPG takes roots from.

Perhaps anything from Batman Begins (like establishment, bearing no roots to it at all) should be removed to make it feel less like a "Batman" RPG and what it should be: a Gotham City Noir RPG.

[Lord Doom]

Personally, I always liked the idea of the WSS RPG. I wish I had known about it sooner so I could play as a character I would've kept for a long time. I think there should be more RPGs like this one. (I consider it a "mini-RPG", seeing as how players are limited to only Batman characters - with the exception of one-month guest stars).

[Charlie No-One]

I personally agree with Trusty. The Begins characters being added are what I think makes it seem less Gotham and more Batman. I would totally be interested in a straight out Noir Gotham RPG like Batman Halloween.

I also think this Gotham RPG should be an expection to the rules on "one universe character" RPG's. I can understand the Gotham one since it has a certain mood and style that sets it apart from the other DC RPG's, but anymore I think would be overkill.

[Batman]

I never intended for it to become a 'Batman Begins' RPG, even though it gradually became that, in some ways. I always looked towards Gotham Central as a much stronger inspiration for what I wanted it to be, but at the same time, I knew no one would want to just play characters like Batman and The Joker as background people. I guess that's where I messed up, in the concept... I didn't anticipate that so many would want those types of characters, even though I should have seen it coming.

However, I will say that it took me a long time to even consider guest stars, whether they be one or several. Bringing them in took away from the point I was trying to emphasize. This is Gotham, not Gotham and Metropolis or Gotham and Star City.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea, I could tell that the point was to have a Noir, GCPD basically RPG emphasized on Gotham Central, but not everyone has read that, or at least, not enough know of some of the lesser known characters who appear in it.

So that really narrowed down the list, to where it came down to people basically picking up Bat Rogues.

[Blacklight]

Well the reason I'm not joining is because even when some of us came up with some ideas so we could help out and play, every one of them was shot down by the people playing in the RPG (except for Byrd agreeing with the custom character idea) and we were told "There's so many more characters to pick from!" and that irks me. If you want more players, than at least consider some ideas or help us pick a character by giving us a list of unplayed characters (like OU). I don't really know any other characters other than ones already played, and i'm not the only one either, and that's why this RPG is dying IMO. Most of us are not joining up because we're not obsessed with everything Batman/Gotham. Although that sounds harsh, I'm not taking any stabs at anyone, but that's how I feel, so I mean no offense to anyone who loves the character and the city he inhabits.

[trustyside-kick]

While I don't agree with Blacklight 100%, I do think a list of untouched characters like OU does would help you guys to see who is available.

[Eddie Brock]

While I don't agree with Blacklight 100%, I do think a list of untouched characters like OU does would help you guys to see who is available.
Frankly, that should be implemented across the board.

[trustyside-kick]

I think it depends. With DC: New Age, I just provided a short list of characters that were already established, but no longer played.

[Charlie No-One]

I agree. Unless you know everything about Gotham Central, which most don't (they may have an idea but not for sure), your not going to know who the smaller roles are.

[Eddie Brock]

I agree. Unless you know everything about Gotham Central, which most don't (they may have an idea but not for sure), your not going to know who the smaller roles are.
Most people don't know the smaller roles in comics, period. That's why lists like in OU could be so helpful.

[Charlie No-One]

Honestly, the smaller characters are less likely to play. I think a lot of people will only play a character if they know them or have an idea about their motives, actions, personality, etc.

[Eddie Brock]

Honestly, the smaller characters are less likely to play. I think a lot of people will only play a character if they know them or have an idea about their motives, actions, personality, etc.
That needs to be changed, in my opinion. Every now and then, someone takes a C-Lister and makes them a central part of the RPG. That should happen more often - but no one wants to take that leap.

[Harlekin]

There's essentially a list of unused characters. We've got a list detailing the structure of the GCPD, and the crime families.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea, only issue is, as we have said over and over again, apparently not many people know any characters in Gotham Central. Do you really want someone to play a character they have NO idea about? If it were an RPG like UDC, where you basically make the character what you want them to be, that is different.

For example, I have read the newest version of Brother Blood's appearances, and Despero's as well...but I didn't really know the characters. But in an RPG like UDC, you don't have to necessarily. Reason being is because you change things about them but keep the main thing that makes them who they are.

Whereas with WSS, all those cops and families you guys list out? If you haven't read Gotham Central, you are screwed: wiki can't really help you. The player cannot change things about those characters.

EDIT: I realize some Bat Rogues have been slightly skewed, but that is a lot harder when you are talking about a cop or mob boss. What can you really change about them? You have to know the characters.