Here's a question...

[Electro UK]

Do you think it'll beat the 90s cartoon? I mean that was THE Spider-man cartoon, everything afterwards failed, everything before it was... camp.

Personally, I don't see them doing it (but take in mind I'm an Electro fanboy who doesn't like the redesign).

[Webhead2006]

To early to tell.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I really think it's possible, but as Webhead2006 said, it's just to early to tell.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

No. I don't see this being as great as the 90's show. Maybe it's my biased opinion but the 90's show was literally spectacular. There were some things I didn't like in the 90's show like making Parker already built before the spider-bite and GG1 not being dead but nonetheless it was awesome, it had a smart-assed wisecracking Spider-Man, a killer theme song, great plots and storylines, and good voice-acting.

[Sarcastic Fan]

It will be much better.

Come on, the guy who created "Gargoyles" or the guy who worked on "Kissyfur"?

[Web-Head]

All that I can say is that I hope it will be.

[Green Goblin 1964]

I hope it will be or it'll be second place. I don't see it being worse then MTV Spider-Man or Spider-man: Unlimited. Remember this is for kids and when you watched the 90's show you were kids ,too so think of it that way when watching the show.

[Green Goblin 1964]

No. I don't see this being as great as the 90's show. Maybe it's my biased opinion but the 90's show was literally spectacular. There were some things I didn't like in the 90's show like making Parker already built before the spider-bite and GG1 not being dead but nonetheless it was awesome, it had a smart-assed wisecracking Spider-Man, a killer theme song, great plots and storylines, and good voice-acting.
I disagree. Other than Spider-Man every other voice actor sucked @$$ IMO. Half the villains had a German accent and MJ's voice sounded like a mother asking you if you would like some fresh baked cookies. And Spider-Man did have some great wisecracks but who's saying that this show doesn't? Every clip we've seen shows Spidey pulling a wisecrack, too.

[Joker]

The 90's animated series wasn't all that great. Good, but not great.

They were constantly reusing old footage in every episode. Kingpin was ridiculously overused, to the point where practically every villain, even the ones who should have been independant, were working for him. The show went downhill when Black Cat became a permanent fixture in every episode. Madame Webb was a terrible character, always popping up at random points and warping Spidey to her dimension to spew out cryptic wisdom.

This show can easily top the 90's cartoon. It's already got a much larger variety of characters, both villain and supporting cast.

[Green Goblin 1964]

The 90's animated series wasn't all that great. Good, but not great.

They were constantly reusing old footage in every episode. Kingpin was ridiculously overused, to the point where practically every villain, even the ones who should have been independant, were working for him. The show went downhill when Black Cat became a permanent fixture in every episode. Madame Webb was a terrible character, always popping up at random points and warping Spidey to her dimension to spew out cryptic wisdom.

This show can easily top the 90's cartoon. It's already got a much larger variety of characters, both villain and supporting cast.Agreed, boy did Madame Webb and Kingpin piss me off :whatever: One thing is guranteed is that this show will have action and swinging that will beat the 90's show by miles.

[DestinyMakerX]

I think this may beat the 90's show like The Batman beats the 90's Batman show (in my opinion)

[Green Goblin 1964]

I think this may beat the 90's show like The Batman beats the 90's Batman show (in my opinion)

LOL

[3dman27]

Agreed, boy did Madame Webb and Kingpin piss me off :whatever: One thing is guranteed is that this show will have action and swinging that will beat the 90's show by miles.

lets hope so

[3dman27]

Agreed, boy did Madame Webb and Kingpin piss me off :whatever: One thing is guranteed is that this show will have action and swinging that will beat the 90's show by miles.

lets hope so

[weezerspider]

I think this may beat the 90's show like The Batman beats the 90's Batman show (in my opinion)

You're kidding, right? Batman TAS is the greatest cartoon ever created. PERIOD. Thats that. The Batman is..... ok.


Kingpin and Black Cat were way overused in 90's Spiderman. Also, I didn't like how they used characters like Morbius for a bunch of episodes. All these crappy villains got more time than Green Goblin. WTF. It was a good show, but it wasn't GREAT.

[Venomfan]

I disagree. Other than Spider-Man every other voice actor sucked @$$ IMO. Half the villains had a German accent and MJ's voice sounded like a mother asking you if you would like some fresh baked cookies. And Spider-Man did have some great wisecracks but who's saying that this show doesn't? Every clip we've seen shows Spidey pulling a wisecrack, too.
Brock/Venom had an amazing voice, as well as Cletus/carnage, Rhino, Kingpin, Scorpion, JJJ, Robbi

[Matt Murdock]

To answer my fellow rp-er's question.

Hell no.

[HELL N' SPIDERS]

i just hope it doesn't end up being as bad as the mtv one.

[vinny2]

This show has the potential. I agree that the whole dimensional portal was used way to damn much and I got tired o Kingpin and Black Cat very quickly. I don't even want to get started on the Red Skull's family. Interesting storyline, but it completely ignored the entire Spider-Man mythos, which made it hard to enjoy.

[Web-Head]

i just hope it doesn't end up being as bad as the mtv one.

Or Unlimited. I don't know which was worse.

[HELL N' SPIDERS]

i agree web-head
unlimited was good until he went into space
and that's why it only had 13 episodes

[Milu]

One of the things that annoyed me with the 90s cartoon was a lack of actual fist-fighting. Most of the fights were ten second wrestling matches. Hopefully SS-M does not make the same mistake.

[diespinne]

One of the things that annoyed me with the 90s cartoon was a lack of actual fist-fighting. Most of the fights were ten second wrestling matches. Hopefully SS-M does not make the same mistake.

Not only that... most of the fights ended with Spidey getting beat-up and saved by his guest star. Lame... and so poorly animated to boot.

[Web-Head]

One of the things that annoyed me with the 90s cartoon was a lack of actual fist-fighting. Most of the fights were ten second wrestling matches. Hopefully SS-M does not make the same mistake.
You can count on some good fight sequences. Just look at the interview with Victor Cook he tells us about how fast paced the stuff is.

[gtkilla]

The 90's animated series wasn't all that great. Good, but not great.

They were constantly reusing old footage in every episode. Kingpin was ridiculously overused, to the point where practically every villain, even the ones who should have been independant, were working for him. The show went downhill when Black Cat became a permanent fixture in every episode. Madame Webb was a terrible character, always popping up at random points and warping Spidey to her dimension to spew out cryptic wisdom.

This show can easily top the 90's cartoon. It's already got a much larger variety of characters, both villain and supporting cast.

You make great points and I agree with them for the most part, but I just can't see this topping the 90's series. But, maybe that's because I haven't seen that much of it (I've only seen the trailer, that's it). :o

How many videos and clips of the show are out? :confused:

[Green Goblin 1964]

You make great points and I agree with them for the most part, but I just can't see this topping the 90's series. But, maybe that's because I haven't seen that much of it (I've only seen the trailer, that's it). :o

How many videos and clips of the show are out? :confused:

http://www.kidswb.com/kids/video

a bunch of sneak peeks and vids there... also...

http://spideytv.com/

[gtkilla]

^ Thanks! :up: Gonna look at them now.

[Visionary]

I still don't think Spidey will punch people/villains in the new toon.

[Green Goblin 1964]

I still don't think Spidey will punch people/villains in the new toon.I'm 90% sure he'll punch but I KNOW there won't be guns with bullets.

I mean watch The Batman or Legion of Superheroes...they both have some intense violence at least for Kids WB. I wouldn't worry about punching if I were you..

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm 90% sure he'll punch but I KNOW there won't be guns with bullets.

I mean watch The Batman or Legion of Superheroes...they both have some intense violence at least for Kids WB. I wouldn't worry about punching if I were you.. Agreed, and it's obvious he will punch and kick because in the trailer he kicked that thug.

[Spectacular23]

i know yu will usally see me in the iron man section but i'm a big fan of spidey but didn't they mention that he was going to use web shooters that what i heard at comic-con :word:

[Green Goblin 1964]

i know yu will usally see me in the iron man section but i'm a big fan of spidey but didn't they mention that he was going to use web shooters that what i heard at comic-con :word:That so has to do with what we're talking about? :huh:


Oh and yeah they did.

[spida-man]

I hope it will be or it'll be second place. I don't see it being worse then MTV Spider-Man or Spider-man: Unlimited. Remember this is for kids and when you watched the 90's show you were kids ,too so think of it that way when watching the show.
agreed

[chris moore]

The 90's series was essentially poor. Because the censorship was so over the top. Here (from wiki):

1] Not mentioning "Death", "Die", "Kill" or other words with a strong negative meaning. Death was to be avoided, leading Semper to skirt around the issue. "Destroy" and "destruction" were frequently employed as synonyms.

2] Many realistic guns were not allowed, and no firearms could shoot bullets, so instead they fired lasers complimented by 'futuristic' sound effects. This often led to scenes in which ordinary policemen wielded futuristic pistols.

3] Spider-Man was not allowed to hit anyone with his fist, however there were a few exceptions. In Episode 39 ("The Spot") in which he used his spider-sense to guide a punch through a dimension portal and knock out the Spot. He also punched the Scorpion twice in "The Final Nightmare."

4] No crashing glass was allowed. However, in Episode 43, when Spider-Man and Doc Ock were battling in Felicia and Anastasia Hardy's home, Ock accidentally smashed a glass window with one of his tentacles.

5] No vampires were allowed on the show. This created complications with the use of the characters Morbius the living vampire and Blade the vampire hunter. Consequently, Morbius only drained victims through suckers on his hands, rather than by biting them in the traditional vampire style on the neck, and rather than blood, his sustenance was referred to only as "plasma." However, the word "blood" is used regularly in non-vampire episodes.
True vampires later appeared anyway, primarily in the form of Blade's vampire mother, but they are not shown actually biting anyone.

6] Cletus Kasady a.k.a. Carnage was not a serial killer in the series, he was just a madman. Carnage never actually used his symbiotic blades to harm anyone, he was either stopped or dodged. He also absorbed people's energy rather than killing them outright. However, he has made a few references to attempts to murder. For instance, when Baron Mordo stated to him that he needed a few more life forces, Carnage said "Only a few? Too bad!". He also referred to his process of draining life force as "feeding".

[Green Goblin 1964]

Can this top the 90's series?

Yeah, now I think it can...easy.

[HELL N' SPIDERS]

Any opinions now that we are further into the show?
My opinion is that this is better then the 90's show. The character development is great and so in depth.

[R-Taco]

I think it definitely will. It's already 7 for 7, while the 90's series was already declining in quality after the first episode. Better action, less censorship & sharper writing make this show #1 in my book.

[spider-neil]

it can and it has imho.

the character development and action is already better and after only 7 episodes

[Mister J]

This show has greatly surprised me. Before its premiere, I largely wrote off the possibility of this approaching the 90's series because the 'look' of the show didn't seem to denote a tone that I would find palatable. I was expecting something along the lines of a transparent 'kiddie' show. Upon several viewings, that was way off-base as this is simply a kickass Spider-Man show.

The character development has been rich and the action is wholly superior. My only gripe is the art/character models, but that seems to be the trade-off for more fluent motion. I won't slot it above the 90's series as of yet (it's still too early), but it's certainly headed that way. I hope the show is around for a number of seasons, so we can see Spidey's maturation process and growth as a hero.

[Ratcrawler]

Oh it's totally better. Well written, edited, acted, animated than the 90s series. And it doesn't have the incredibly sappy soap opera music play every time a relationship is brought into focus.

[Xclaim]

We're only 7 episodes into this series, and it has already blown away the 90's series. This show has established 2 major firsts in Spider-Man cartoons, not only being the first to show Peter in high school, but also the first that had the balls to introduce Gwen Stacy as a regular character.

That combined with the character development, action, and Greg Weisman's "no-original-characters" policy, the 90's series is not even in the same league now.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

The '90s STAS got it's butt handed to it. Show one-ups STAS in every area. Animation, action, voice work, character development, etc. 7 eps in and no repeat footage. IMO, I think this is the definitive Spider-Man cartoon.

[DACrowe]

I think it has the potential to. So far I feel that TAS had overall better voice acting (though there are notable exceptions) and a better first episode, but otherwise overall I feel everything SSM has done it has done better than TAS. And we all know TAS best season was its first season. And the fact that they can use real guns, Spidey can throw punches and it is a bygone conclusion that Gwen will get killed off at the end of the second season really puts this show up there.

But I really liked Spidey's voice in TAS, as well as most of the cast (especially Felcia Hardy/Black Cat's, who we haven't seen in this show yet, and Doc Ock's whose interpretation, I find weaker in this one). I just think TAS had some off episodes in season 3 and 4 and the entire second half of season 5 (the last season) downright sucked. So this show can win with consistency.

But I love TAS as it was nostalgia for me growing up and I think some of its stories have become almost canon for many new fans. Most take TAS's interpretation of the symbiote saga with the shuttle crashing with the symbiote and John Jameson aboard, Brock working at the Bugle and being humiliated by Spidey and fired for fraud by JJJ, the upside down black suit reveal and a dark Peter Parker as canon. Outside of the shuttle crash most of the backstory for the Venom saga (though notably not the execution) in Spider-Man 3 came from TAS. It also looks like the shuttle origin is going to be used in this series.

It also handled GG (even though he came after Hobgoblin), Doc Ock, Lizard, Scorpion and Hobgoblin brilliantly. It also made for a much more interesting Morbius character and reworked the Man-Spider story very well and that has also been misread as canon ever since. It made Kingpin an A-lister for SM again (he was kind of stolen by DD in the 1980s comics). It gave the only good interpretation of the Black Cat in the 1990s (she would not be saved from mediocrity until Kevin Smith, Mark Millar and Dan Slott came along recently in comics). At the same time there were too many team-ups, too much censoring and WAY TOO MUCH inner-dimension hopping/Madame Web bull ****. And the fact that it chose to end on a clone saga with the MJ Peter married being a clone STILL pisses me off a little bit. I say it ends with the "Forgotten Heroes" saga and Fisk in jail.

Anyway, there is room for improvement and this show looks like it very well may do so. I will say that it probably will stay in high school so it won't have an older Peter Parker who ends up marrying MJ, which is the ONLY nod I can say that TAS can keep over it. Everything else is for the title taking. I mean I may prefer TAS's GG, Doc Ock and JJJ so far, but the execution of the stories in SSM has been much BETTER. This show feels like it is an update of the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko/John Romita eras. TAS felt like an update of the 1980s comics, for the most part.

[DACrowe]

P.S. I am going to have to say that TAS does also have one definitive hold over this new show that is doing very well. And that is TAS had much better music. For a cartoon, the music written in TAS is very good and has only been surpassed in American action cartoons by Batman TAS, Batman Beyond and arguably X-Men TAS. The action theme, the love theme, the themes certain characters had were all EXTREMELY well done and memorable.

[Jick09]

it can top the 90's series?

I think it already did.

[Spiderine]

It's still very early to debate this being an infant of a series but so far the characterization of supporting characters and villains is superb and puts TAS to shame. Never have we gotten such a great buildup of villains to be and logical explanations as to why they became what they are. Compare this Rhino to Rhino in TAS where he is just sitting in his apartment all decked out in a rhino suit when Kingpin calls. WTF was that!
Venom getting sprung on his doctor, Doc Ock being Kingpin's personal byatch, Wormhole portals or whatever the hell that was, Black Cat screwing Morbiius, and among other things that I am too tired to type.

[Xclaim]

How about the finale that left no resolution to Peter finding the real Mary Jane? I've never forgiven them for that.

[HELL N' SPIDERS]

How about the finale that left no resolution to Peter finding the real Mary Jane? I've never forgiven them for that.

that really made me upset aswell.

[DACrowe]

Actually there was supposed to be a sixth season about that (she was supposed to be in Victorian London and he was supposed to fight Jack the Ripper then...oh yeah get the sensors past that) and come back to the present and the Beetle was supposed to be in it, but Saban and Marvel decided to end it on 5 and move onto focusing on Silver Surfer and Avengers...great idea.

Oh well. Given how crappy the finale was, I pretend it ended with "Forgotten Heroes" with Fisk finally caught and Peter and MJ happily together.

[KingOfMars]

so far i think it has surpassed the 90s series for the reason that it focuses more on the lee/ditko era, its spiderman at his purest as far as adaptations have gone, the characters looked better in the 90s series, but the animation was very limited so you didnt see spiderman at his full potential and it became somewhat convoluted near the end.

[Venom 1988]

Actually there was supposed to be a sixth season about that (she was supposed to be in Victorian London and he was supposed to fight Jack the Ripper then...oh yeah get the sensors past that) Yea wasn't Carnage going to turn out to be Jack the Ripper?

[Web-Head]

Yea wasn't Carnage going to turn out to be Jack the Ripper?
That's what Semper was planning to do, yeah.

[Ratcrawler]

The Sci-Fi asPect was waaaaaayyyyyyyy over the top in TAS. Granted, comic book technology has always been decades to centuries ahead of the time it's written but the ridiculous overuse of robots, lasers, holograms, airships, sPace/time anomolies, mutations and other futuristic plot devices drowned out any novelty these concepts had at all. The series didn't feel like it could take place in the mid-nineties at all.

[DACrowe]

And children and fans alike did not care at all...

[Venomfan]

its pretty lame how its suddenly become cool to bash the 90's TAS, a few months ago everyone agreed that it was the greatest spidey cartoon ever, now it gets treated like trash on this board

[sauronthegreat]

its pretty lame how its suddenly become cool to bash the 90's TAS, a few months ago everyone agreed that it was the greatest spidey cartoon ever, now it gets treated like trash on this board

I was never the best Spider-Man show as it should have been. It was OK for it's time, but today it looks kinda cheep: story-wise and not to mention the animation with the over & over repeat shots.

[DACrowe]

It's what happens when anything new comes out. Like how it became cool to bash Burton's Batman after BB. TAS got attacked when the MTV show came out, but fortunately it got canceled and everyone realized how crappy that show was.

This is a good show and probably will be better than TAS, but that does not make TAS bad. But fanboys love trashing what is old and making love to what is new. Look at how Pierce Brosnan was once called "the best Bond since Connery" and now everyone who enjoyed CR cannot help themselves from calling him a bad actor, a bad Bond and too feminine among other things.

It's the sad way the fan culture works.

[Spider-ManHero12]

its pretty lame how its suddenly become cool to bash the 90's TAS, a few months ago everyone agreed that it was the greatest spidey cartoon ever, now it gets treated like trash on this board We are not really bashing the 90's show, it's just that it had quite a few flaws and weird things, but it's still awesome. Also, this show defenitley stays more true to the comics and is better than that show though.

[Webhead2006]

Yea this show is great so far and hopefully they stay like it is and dont go all crazy like the 90s show. As a kid i loved the 90s show and thought it was great but once i got older and learned more about animation and more background on spidey i saw the show had many many flaws.

[Spiderine]

It's what happens when anything new comes out. Like how it became cool to bash Burton's Batman after BB. TAS got attacked when the MTV show came out, but fortunately it got canceled and everyone realized how crappy that show was.

This is a good show and probably will be better than TAS, but that does not make TAS bad. But fanboys love trashing what is old and making love to what is new. Look at how Pierce Brosnan was once called "the best Bond since Connery" and now everyone who enjoyed CR cannot help themselves from calling him a bad actor, a bad Bond and too feminine among other things.

It's the sad way the fan culture works.
Actually I thought the MTV show was crap when it came out. And realized how much more crap it was when it ended. Great animation but the rest was crap.

[Spiderine]

its pretty lame how its suddenly become cool to bash the 90's TAS, a few months ago everyone agreed that it was the greatest spidey cartoon ever, now it gets treated like trash on this board
Well, we now have the hindsight of looking back at all the seasons combined of TAS when we compare it to this show. As I have before said this show is still young and there are always undetermined factors that could affect it in later seasons. I still have a fondness for the 90's series as it had its moments but I also can't help but remember what happened to that show as the seasons progressed.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Even before this new Spidey toon came out, I was well aware of STAS flaws. Recycled animation and horribly watered down fight scenes. And the stiff animation... ouch! I still like STAS, but SSM is worlds ahead of it.

[Spiderine]

Even before this new Spidey toon came out, I was well aware of STAS flaws. Recycled animation and horribly watered down fight scenes. And the stiff animation... ouch! I still like STAS, but SSM is worlds ahead of it.
I am just impressed with the many supporting characters, the depth we are getting with the villains, and the general stories so far.

[ReggieWhiteJr]

I am just impressed with the many supporting characters, the depth we are getting with the villains, and the general stories so far.

So true. These are things this show is doing so much better than STAS ever did.

[Webhead2006]

yea and lets hope ssm stays the way it is for its run and all that.

[DACrowe]

Actually I thought the MTV show was crap when it came out. And realized how much more crap it was when it ended. Great animation but the rest was crap.

I agree. I venomously fought against that show and quit watching it after about five episodes. But I was called a "TAS" fanboy. :whatever:

I really like SSM (it is hard for me to love any new cartoons anymore) and think it is probably becoming better than TAS. I just don't get why the old has to be kicked so as to vindicate the new.

[Prefix]

Spider-Man TAS was the best Spider-Man cartoon until SSM, and it will always hold a special place in my heart because it got me into Spider-Man but the truth is it simply doesn't hold up to viewing today.

[Silver Spider]

Spider-Man TAS was the best Spider-Man cartoon until SSM, and it will always hold a special place in my heart because it got me into Spider-Man but the truth is it simply doesn't hold up to viewing today.
That's exactly how I feel. Although there still are a few episodes that I will always like to watch.

[HELL N' SPIDERS]

Silver Spider I also am a HUGE fan of JustSomeRandomGuy.
I love "I'm a Marvel, I'm a DC"!!!

[Silver Spider]

Yeah, I first saw Randomguy's videos several months ago. I thought it was just going to be some dumb kid playing with their toys, like a lot of other people do on Youtube. Now I'm like addicted to them.

[HELL N' SPIDERS]

Me Too. I have followed him since his first After Hours video.
And now that season 2 is starting it looks even funnier and more adventurous than the first.

[Silver Spider]

The first video I saw was After Hours 1, but at that time I think the 5th one was the most recently added.
We should probably take this conversation to the Spectacular Spiderman Lounge, though.

[Anwar]

I like both to be honest, but I'm holding off on a real comparison until S2 is done because by then the show will have established itself better and payed off on most plot points and arc by then.

As for the TAS finale, I figured that Web simply took him to the point of the rift where MJ was trapped and took her from it back to the real world, we just didn't see it.

[Araneae]

its pretty lame how its suddenly become cool to bash the 90's TAS, a few months ago everyone agreed that it was the greatest spidey cartoon ever, now it gets treated like trash on this board

I started having problems with the 90's series roughly half way through season two when the entire season seemed to revolve around that gizmo that could rewrite DNA. The MTV series could've been better if it hadn't been made to cater to the MTV crowd.

Spectacular Spider-Man has been pretty good so far, I only hope they keep it up.

But if you want nostalgia, I grew up watching "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends."

[RabbitSamurai]

SSM has started out strong, with a good mixture of story arcs and episodic adventures, good characters, humor that is actually funny and not just intended to be, and at least one count of Spidey taking down a bad guy with his brains rather than fists (which was always an important element for me w/Spider-Man). The aesthetics of the show has grown on me, no doubt helped by its completely fluid animation, and subtly different character models. And it accomplishes what has been impossible in every other medium since the 60's--the translation of the Romita-era "feel" into a non-comics format.

The show, however, does have some problems--the pace can be rather breakneck, without any time to catch your breath. Sometimes a pause is needed to enhance a scene or whatever.

Little to no build-up. Cool as it was to see so much of the Spidey mythos covered in the first episode, Vulture really comes out of nowhere and isn't really credible as a potential recurring villain.

Too little JJ. :cmad:

And some other cosmetic issues (Gwen with glasses?), but by and large a solid Spider-Man cartoon. I hope it does supplant 90's Spider-Man--if it continues on this path, it deserves to.