Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[MAKIEVELLI]

well . . . errrrr, ummmm . . . you see, when a man and a woman really, really love each other, ummmmm . . . errr, go ask your mother :D

That Joke is just tired already. Read through the thread, buddy.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I want strands of hair left on his rotted flesh-side. I want to see a bulging eye, completely burnt and scarred skin that almost seems beyond repairing. I want fragments of his ear missing, his lips almost scalded off--- (ala BTAS looking), and his skin to be a reddish pinkish color not in the vein of Tommy Lee Jones, but in the veign of someone who was seriously burnt in a fire or something. Almost "Darkman"-like, but more realistic.

Also, I think his suit should be a mix of black and white if we're going for Nolan's take. Personally, I'd prefer a contrast of stripes and checkered suits, but that's just me.

And I hope Aaron gives him a distinct voice when he's in Two-Face mode instead of like "Heroes" with Nikki where Ali Larter uses the same voice to counter her other half.

[LegendaryCaleb]

In court Maroni throws acid in his face...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Batman_-_The_Long_Halloween_11_pg15.jpg/250px-Batman_-_The_Long_Halloween_11_pg15.jpg
bingo

[Conebone69]

So can someone give me a description of the footage shown at WWC? If there is one

[Axtech]

So can someone give me a description of the footage shown at WWC? If there is one

For anyone here to give you a description, we'd have to search through the thread(s) about WW to find where people posted descriptions after they got back. Can't you do the same?

[Lucius Cipher]

I'm pretty sure that it won't be Maroni who throws the acid in court, but one of his flunkies who's testifying against him....

According to the sides released way back when:

INT. COURTROOM, SUPERIOR COURT -- DAY

Rossi takes a SIP of water. The PROSECUTOR approaches.

PROSECUTOR
With Carmine Falcone in Arkham, someone must've stepped up to run the so-called family
(Rossi nods)
Is this man in the courtroom today?
(Rossi nods again)
Could you identify him for us, please?

The Prosecutor turns to the defendant, smiles.

ROSSI
You win counselor. It was me.

The Prosecutor's smile disappears. He turns back to Rossi.

PROSECUTOR
Say again.

ROSSI
I'll say it how many times you want. I'm the guy.

PROSECUTOR
Mr. Rossi, I'm confused...

ROSSI
Must be dumb then, huh?

PROSECUTOR
Need the court remind you that you are under oath?

ROSSI
Nope. I'm good.

PROSECUTOR
I've got a sworn statement from you that this man, Salvatore Maroni, is the new head of the Falcone crime family.

ROSSI
Maroni? He's a fall guy. I'm the brains of the organization.

LAUGHS from the gallery. The PROSECUTOR turns to the JUDGE.

PROSECUTOR
Permission to treat the witness as hostile?

ROSSI
Hostile? I'll show you hostile-------

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Batman_-_The_Long_Halloween_11_pg15.jpg/250px-Batman_-_The_Long_Halloween_11_pg15.jpg

The Prosecutor is clearly Dent here....

[Conebone69]

For anyone here to give you a description, we'd have to search through the thread(s) about WW to find where people posted descriptions after they got back. Can't you do the same?
i didnt even know it was on the boards

[TromaFreak64]

I'm pretty sure that it won't be Maroni who throws the acid in court, but one of his flunkies who's testifying against him....

According to the sides released way back when:

INT. COURTROOM, SUPERIOR COURT -- DAY

Rossi takes a SIP of water. The PROSECUTOR approaches.

PROSECUTOR
With Carmine Falcone in Arkham, someone must've stepped up to run the so-called family
(Rossi nods)
Is this man in the courtroom today?
(Rossi nods again)
Could you identify him for us, please?

The Prosecutor turns to the defendant, smiles.

ROSSI
You win counselor. It was me.

The Prosecutor's smile disappears. He turns back to Rossi.

PROSECUTOR
Say again.

ROSSI
I'll say it how many times you want. I'm the guy.

PROSECUTOR
Mr. Rossi, I'm confused...

ROSSI
Must be dumb then, huh?

PROSECUTOR
Need the court remind you that you are under oath?

ROSSI
Nope. I'm good.

PROSECUTOR
I've got a sworn statement from you that this man, Salvatore Maroni, is the new head of the Falcone crime family.

ROSSI
Maroni? He's a fall guy. I'm the brains of the organization.

LAUGHS from the gallery. The PROSECUTOR turns to the JUDGE.

PROSECUTOR
Permission to treat the witness as hostile?

ROSSI
Hostile? I'll show you hostile-------

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Batman_-_The_Long_Halloween_11_pg15.jpg/250px-Batman_-_The_Long_Halloween_11_pg15.jpg

The Prosecutor is clearly Dent here....

Exactly and the reason it won't be Maroni is because it is HIS trial, NOT Falcone's where the acid is thrown... obviously since Falcone was taken down a little bit differently by Crane in Batman Begins, it will have to be Sal's trial. Obviously Sal would NOT testify against himself, he would plead the fifth-- plus it would be incredibly STUPID to testify against yourself in such a high profile trial then THROW ACID on the DA... and we also know somehow Sal get's off at the trial only to have two face come after him later, so again he isn't throwing acid on the DA in front of everyone.

As a result, it is Rossi, a henchman for Maroni who will throw the acid, during his trial by orders of Sal himself, thus why Two-Face goes after Sal once he re-emerges and kills his driver. Lucky for Sal, Dent's coin spares him...

[sasquatchs]

The first Wizard thread was deleted. 2nd:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=281591

[Keyser Soze]

It's not exactly how he gets the acid in his face, it's who he was before the accident. It's much more interesting if he isn't corrupt and it's truly tragic when he falls from grace.

I agree that Harvey Dent shouldn't be corrupt before he is disfigured. That's something I've never liked about what I've heard of "Eye of the Beholder". However, I do think that Harvey Dent having a tragic backstory, and an abusive father, adds a powerful dimension to the character. If he has risen above all that, and become a good person, it makes him all the more admirable. And it makes his downfall all the more tragic...

[Figs]

I agree that Harvey Dent shouldn't be corrupt before he is disfigured. That's something I've never liked about what I've heard of "Eye of the Beholder". However, I do think that Harvey Dent having a tragic backstory, and an abusive father, adds a powerful dimension to the character. If he has risen above all that, and become a good person, it makes him all the more admirable. And it makes his downfall all the more tragic...


"Eye of the Beholder" didn't make him out to be too corrupt though. He I believe only once brought up to Batman on the rooftop about planting evidence and Batman let him know that's not how he does things. Other than that one time in that story he was pretty honorable throughout the story. It's actually a good read.

[Keyser Soze]

Exactly and the reason it won't be Maroni is because it is HIS trial, NOT Falcone's where the acid is thrown... obviously since Falcone was taken down a little bit differently by Crane in Batman Begins, it will have to be Sal's trial. Obviously Sal would NOT testify against himself, he would plead the fifth-- plus it would be incredibly STUPID to testify against yourself in such a high profile trial then THROW ACID on the DA... and we also know somehow Sal get's off at the trial only to have two face come after him later, so again he isn't throwing acid on the DA in front of everyone.

As a result, it is Rossi, a henchman for Maroni who will throw the acid, during his trial by orders of Sal himself, thus why Two-Face goes after Sal once he re-emerges and kills his driver. Lucky for Sal, Dent's coin spares him...

If it's not Maroni throwing the acid, I think they MUST recreate that classic moment from "The Long Halloween". You know, when we have that shot of the acid flying towards Dent's face, then the next panel is Falcone blowing out the candles? That was one of the most beautiful, powerful, cinematic sequences I've ever seen in a comic. Replace Falcone with Maroni, and that'd be awesome.

[sasquatchs]

It sounds like it'll be a big downfall. The measures he takes are really overzealous, but have decent intentions behind them from the look of things. I think people with no idea about the character will smell tragedy a mile away.

[TromaFreak64]

If it's not Maroni throwing the acid, I think they MUST recreate that classic moment from "The Long Halloween". You know, when we have that shot of the acid flying towards Dent's face, then the next panel is Falcone blowing out the candles? That was one of the most beautiful, powerful, cinematic sequences I've ever seen in a comic. Replace Falcone with Maroni, and that'd be awesome.

Exactly!

[Keyser Soze]

It sounds like it'll be a big downfall. The measures he takes are really overzealous, but have decent intentions behind them from the look of things. I think people with no idea about the character will smell tragedy a mile away.

I think that if we are given some time with Dent as a character BEFORE he becomes Two-Face - really get a chance for the tragedy of the arc to build up - then we could get a really great performance from Aaron Eckhart. We're all talking about Heath ledger's Joker, but Harvey Dent in the film could be a real dark horse.

[Figs]

I think that if we are given some time with Dent as a character BEFORE he becomes Two-Face - really get a chance for the tragedy of the arc to build up - then we could get a really great performance from Aaron Eckhart. We're all talking about Heath ledger's Joker, but Harvey Dent in the film could be a real dark horse.


While most seem to be worried about Joker having perma white skin my biggest worry is right there. With the Joker being pumped and hyped up I seriously have doubts Dent will be given the time he needs before he becomes Two-Face. He wasn't in the last film, so in one film they have to try and get the audience to like this guy and have some kind of emotional bond with him by the time he turns to the bad side. I feel it is going to be rushed and lose the impact.

[Keyser Soze]

While most seem to be worried about Joker having perma white skin my biggest worry is right there. With the Joker being pumped and hyped up I seriously have doubts Dent will be given the time he needs before he becomes Two-Face. He wasn't in the last film, so in one film they have to try and get the audience to like this guy and have some kind of emotional bond with him by the time he turns to the bad side. I feel it is going to be rushed and lose the impact.

This too is a bigger concern for me than The Joker applying white make-up is. To me, "The Long Halloween" is Harvey Dent's story. Not Two-Face's story. Harvey Dent.

Harvey Dent isn't like a lot of comic villains, where for a movie we only need their "past identity" to be around long enough for the obligatory set-up and origin scenes. Two-Face can't just be a bad guy, or he's Tommy Lee Jones in Batman Forever. He has to actually be two characters to get the full scope of the tragedy. You have to care about Harvey Dent.

[TromaFreak64]

Well based on the call sheets and sides, I mean the Joker is a big impact in the film, but this is still Bruce Wayne's film. He appears to have the majority of the scenes and many of those scenes also involve Dent and Rachel.

We have 2 1/2 hours to set up this character, and all these others... plus it appears we have a villain who really doesn't have a back story. So he won't have to be set up. The film will only have to build up Dent's story... and it appears he is a big part, it even looks like he is the one trying to save the mayor after finding the cop who remembers the smile after Joker's goons steal the cop uniforms, it's him who tries to say he is Batman to protect Gotham, it's him who is getting the credit for Joker's arrest, he's the new guy in town pledging 18 months of a crime free Gotham, it's him around scene 90 that rounds up Maroni's gang, tries to cut deals with Lau for his clients, and it's Dent who is brave enough to try and prosecute Maroni. It seems to be me he'll be given proper time and scenes to be made into a tragic character based on what we know so far.

[Keyser Soze]

Well based on the call sheets and sides, I mean the Joker is a big impact in the film, but this is still Bruce Wayne's film. He appears to have the majority of the scenes and many of those scenes also involve Dent and Rachel.

We have 2 1/2 hours to set up this character, and all these others... plus it appears we have a villain who really doesn't have a back story. So he won't have to be set up. The film will only have to build up Dent's story... and it appears he is a big part, it even looks like he is the one trying to save the mayor after finding the cop who remembers the smile after Joker's goons steal the cop uniforms, it's him who tries to say he is Batman to protect Gotham, it's him who is getting the credit for Joker's arrest, he's the new guy in town pledging 18 months of a crime free Gotham, it's him around scene 90 that rounds up Maroni's gang, tries to cut deals with Lau for his clients, and it's Dent who is brave enough to try and prosecute Maroni. It seems to be me he'll be given proper time and scenes to be made into a tragic character based on what we know so far.


I certainly hope that Harvey Dent is done justice. I'm optimistic that he will be. It may be hard to make him a fully-rounded, compelling character amidst everything else going on, but if anyone can pull it off, it's Nolan.

[slickrick2k1]

Wow toma i couldnt have said it better myself. Your description is ideal for what we should expect from a dent origin.

[Nepenthes]

Well based on the call sheets and sides, I mean the Joker is a big impact in the film, but this is still Bruce Wayne's film. He appears to have the majority of the scenes and many of those scenes also involve Dent and Rachel.

We have 2 1/2 hours to set up this character, and all these others... plus it appears we have a villain who really doesn't have a back story. So he won't have to be set up. The film will only have to build up Dent's story... and it appears he is a big part, it even looks like he is the one trying to save the mayor after finding the cop who remembers the smile after Joker's goons steal the cop uniforms, it's him who tries to say he is Batman to protect Gotham, it's him who is getting the credit for Joker's arrest, he's the new guy in town pledging 18 months of a crime free Gotham, it's him around scene 90 that rounds up Maroni's gang, tries to cut deals with Lau for his clients, and it's Dent who is brave enough to try and prosecute Maroni. It seems to be me he'll be given proper time and scenes to be made into a tragic character based on what we know so far.

:up:

[bullets]

yeah i would like them to have a real friendship .

[CaptainClown]

Ya I would too, I wish it was from before but they aren't going to go down the route.

[Mr. Socko]

I definitely hope Dent is given a proper amount of time for character development. He's just being introduced in this film and by the end, he'll be Two Face. So they've got a lot to handle. I'm sure they can do it right.

[gdw]

Did we get a description of what Two-face's scaring will look like? Just wondering as there was a recent wave of manips and fan art with a very similar look to the scared side, so I imagined that they were all being based off a description that I missed.

Just thought I'd re-post this since it got buried with the thread merge.

So can anyone help me with this question?

Thanks

[gdw]

I definitely hope Dent is given a proper amount of time for character development. He's just being introduced in this film and by the end, he'll be Two Face. So they've got a lot to handle. I'm sure they can do it right.

Well, considering he has an entire film to be developed in before he's even who he will be, I don't think there will be a problem.

They are taking an entire film to introduce Dent, what more can you be looking for? No idea how anyone can think he will be underdeveloped.

[Devan]

Just thought I'd re-post this since it got buried with the thread merge.

So can anyone help me with this question?

Thanks
not really...just a brief blurred shot description of the back of his neck from wizard world. All we know is it is dark purple, and I'm guessing stuff will be missing.

[Mr. Socko]

Well, considering he has an entire film to be developed in before he's even who he will be, I don't think there will be a problem.

They are taking an entire film to introduce Dent, what more can you be looking for? No idea how anyone can think he will be underdeveloped.


Really? You have no idea how anyone could think that?

Maybe because it's a single film that will focus on several characters. You say an 'entire' film to introduce Dent, but I'm sure Bruce Wayne and Joker will get more screen time than him, no? Telling me he has an 'entire' film to be developed would be like telling me Scarecrow had an entire film to be developed in Batman Begins, and well, you see how much screentime he was given.

I'm confident all shall be handled correctly, but it's far and away from ridiculous for us to question whether or not Harvey will be given a sufficient and ample amount of screentime to necessarily develop his character from handsome, suave D.A. of Gotham to scarred madman. Don't forget, there are several characters being introduced in this film, Dent is one of many.

[gdw]

Really? You have no idea how anyone could think that?

Maybe because it's a single film that will focus on several characters. You say an 'entire' film to introduce Dent, but I'm sure Bruce Wayne and Joker will get more screen time than him, no? Telling me he has an 'entire' film to be developed would be like telling me Scarecrow had an entire film to be developed in Batman Begins, and well, you see how much screentime he was given.

I'm confident all shall be handled correctly, but it's far and away from ridiculous for us to question whether or not Harvey will be given a sufficient and ample amount of screentime to necessarily develop his character from handsome, suave D.A. of Gotham to scarred madman. Don't forget, there are several characters being introduced in this film, Dent is one of many.

No, Crow was Crow at the start. So that comparison makes absolutely no sense. It would be more like saying they had an entire film to develop Alfred and his role as The Batman's butler as well as Bruce's.

All films developed more than one character. BUT they are usually developed for the first part of the film, that is, the character is created in the audiences mind.

Dent will be just as developed as Dent ad the other characters will be developed as them selves when they are introduced.

HOWEVER, Dent as Two-Face, and his decent into him will be given exposition throughout an entire film. Usually a villan or hero is given their development only through the beginning before they are the new version of themselves. That is, their origin.

Dent is in a unique position in that his origin, before he's even turned into Two-face, will be given the entire film to develop.

I don't mean every minute, but the entire film just like Spider-man was given 45 minutes to be developed, along with the green goblin and the the other characters.

So, the obvious point is, I do not see how you can be worried if they can develop heroes and villains in half an hour to 45 minutes before they are who they are, than there is no way they will NOT be able to give more than enough time to develope two-face over the course of the whole film.

[bunk]

A lot of it will depend on the span of time the movie takes place in. Just as an example; if TDK took place over 3 days, it'd be hard to effectively develop Dent's character no matter how much went down. Long Halloween was an entire year of character development. Do we know the span of time for TDK?

[Mr. Socko]

No, Crow was Crow at the start. So that comparison makes absolutely no sense. It would be more like saying they had an entire film to develop Alfred and his role as The Batman's butler as well as Bruce's.

All films developed more than one character. BUT they are usually developed for the first part of the film, that is, the character is created in the audiences mind.

Dent will be just as developed as Dent ad the other characters will be developed as them selves when they are introduced.

HOWEVER, Dent as Two-Face, and his decent into him will be given exposition throughout an entire film. Usually a villan or hero is given their development only through the beginning before they are the new version of themselves. That is, their origin.

Dent is in a unique position in that his origin, before he's even turned into Two-face, will be given the entire film to develop.

I don't mean every minute, but the entire film just like Spider-man was given 45 minutes to be developed, along with the green goblin and the the other characters.

So, the obvious point is, I do not see how you can be worried if they can develop heroes and villains in half an hour to 45 minutes before they are who they are, than there is no way they will NOT be able to give more than enough time to develope two-face over the course of the whole film.

No one said they will not be able to 'give more than enough time to develop Two-Face.'

It seems as though you fail to realize that Harvey Dent is not the main character of this film. There are other characters who will have much more screen time than him and will play a more important part(Joker and Batman himself, maybe?)

So comparing him to Spider-Man is ridiculous. Spider-Man was given a good 30-40 minutes of development before he became the hero, like you said. The entire beginning of the movie was focused solely on him besides a few scenes with Norman. Spider-Man is the main character. His face was shown in at least 9/10 of the entire film.

Anyway, Joker will certainly have more on screen time than Dent/Two Face, that one is a no brainer. When you've already got huge main characters, the side characters are the ones basically getting left overs. Like any other character in Begins besides Batman.

And Bunk brings up a great observation. The period of time the film takes place over will certainly dictate just how much development is even possible for a character. In Begins, by the time Bruce got back to Gotham, the span in which the film took place, was about a month at most. However, there's no doubt his time as Batman in Gotham will definitely last much longer.

[Tojo]

One thing i am concerned about in this film is Dent. If he was in BB instead of Rachel, he could have been given ample time to progress and make a transition from Dent to Two-face, and we would have seen him do this over 4 hours of film time.

In TDK he will almost certainly be a third or fourth tier character. Is this aenough time for anyone to care when he becomes Two-Face? This remains to be seen and will depend on the skills of Nolan. I doubt it can be done in a way that justifies the character.

[Juggernaut33]

I was watching the Aliens vs. Predator Requiem trailer the other day and on this particular shot I thought: "Wow. That would be great for Two-Face!"

Don't you think?

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/796/00cm3.jpg

[dark_b]

what do you think?
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9256/spiderman3qu1.jpg

[fabman]

Not bad! Where'd you get that from?

[dark_b]

Not bad! Where'd you get that from?on the spiderman forums.

i think visually they cant do more scary than that for a pg-13 movie. more around the ears and on the forehead but thats it.

[fabman]

Yeah... well, the scarring (design, I mean) is okay... but it's gotta be extended on Harvey Dent's face... and his mouth has got to be more messed up...

[dark_b]

Yeah... well, the scarring (design, I mean) is okay... but it's gotta be extended on Harvey Dent's face... and his mouth has got to be more messed up...i agree with that. more extended but not more scary.

[fabman]

Yeah...

[strikezone89]

wow i just saw a great manip on cs
ill look for it and post it, from the spy reports we've been getting i think this is the closest thing were going 2 get in the movie

[mrbrownie]

Wow! Two Face's Halloween costume arrived a year early don't you think! :p
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/31761.jpg?is=350,350,0xffffff
Dr.Jackyl/Mr.Hyde costume from BuyCostumes.com

[TromaFreak64]

Wow! Two Face's Halloween costume arrived a year early don't you think! :p
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/31761.jpg?is=350,350,0xffffff
Dr.Jackyl/Mr.Hyde costume from BuyCostumes.com

Scary stuff really... I already made this comment once, but when they locked that other thread that guy made, my last several posts just disappeared as well - weird.

In any case what is the point of this costume, it is pretty how much it looks like TAS Two-face on crack or something.

[smatt584]

Scary stuff really... I already made this comment once, but when they locked that other thread that guy made, my last several posts just disappeared as well - weird.

In any case what is the point of this costume, it is pretty how much it looks like TAS Two-face on crack or something.
yeah, i've been browsing the threads and tons of random posts have been dissappearing. You can only see them by the quotes of others. Seems like SHH has a hacker, or maybe just an overzealous moderator...

[Two-Face]

Jeez what the...?

[TromaFreak64]

yeah, i've been browsing the threads and tons of random posts have been dissappearing. You can only see them by the quotes of others. Seems like SHH has a hacker, or maybe just an overzealous moderator...

Well I am talking to Hunter about the issue, and he is unaware that it is occuring, so I'm giving him this thread as an example - because right after the lock down of the Did Anyone Notice thread, about 30 minutes worth of posts just disappeared from here. Time period of 5:00-5:30ish EST.

[TromaFreak64]

yeah, i've been browsing the threads and tons of random posts have been dissappearing. You can only see them by the quotes of others. Seems like SHH has a hacker, or maybe just an overzealous moderator...

I checked back, posts are disappearing but there is a reason. Every poster I noticed who's post have disappeared have used the phrase "In Before the Lock" in a thread that got locked - and they delete your recent 50 posts if you do that... so it all makes sense and it was our own stupidity getting them deleted... woops.

[Mr. Socko]

My worst fear is a Two Face who's scarred side looks like this:



http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9256/spiderman3qu1.jpg

[TromaFreak64]

My worst fear is a Two Face who's scarred side looks like this:



http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9256/spiderman3qu1.jpg

That is sort of my fear as well since it is Nolan's world of realism - but I still want something more traditional.

[gwynplaine]

Since Eckhart was seen with mo cap dots on half his face i doubt we'll be getting the James Franco look .

[Devan]

too small...and too skin blendy.

I doubt we'll get this...but I don't want a symetrical scar, and I expect it to be WAY more gruesome.

[TromaFreak64]

Since Eckhart was seen with mo cap dots on half his face i doubt we'll be getting the James Franco look .

Right and comics2film had referenced that article from a production company claiming that they are doing digital effects on Two-Face titled DIGITAL DENT.

So it's likely we are getting something very different, obviously the idea of a CGI face scares me as well, but Nolan is good with "mix-ing it up" with his film making and using a good combination of both practical and computer special effects.

[Agentsands77]

The computer effects are probably there to provide things make-up can't... For example, things like the exposed teeth ala Sale's Two-Face.

[gwynplaine]

Right and comics2film had referenced that article from a production company claiming that they are doing digital effects on Two-Face titled DIGITAL DENT.

So it's likely we are getting something very different, obviously the idea of a CGI face scares me as well, but Nolan is good with "mix-ing it up" with his film making and using a good combination of both practical and computer special effects.
Yeah, nothing wrong with CGi as long as it's used properly and i really trust Nolan to use the right tool for the right scene and to mix it up, like you're wisely saying, appropriately.

[darknight7]

The computer effects are probably there to provide things make-up can't... For example, things like the exposed teeth ala Sale's Two-Face.

I see what you are saying...but you couuuuuuld expose teeth with make-up

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9260/liamneesondarkmanxm4.jpg

--dk7

[TromaFreak64]

The computer effects are probably there to provide things make-up can't... For example, things like the exposed teeth ala Sale's Two-Face.

Some people have seen Aaron though with no make up on but mo-caps... I mean obviously it's speculating... it may not have been for actual filming, but for important information about his face to be used during production, etc. There are lots of explanations, but just so you know, that is where some people might come in here and insist it's ALL CGI from.

[Devan]

Some people have seen Aaron though with no make up on but mo-caps... I mean obviously it's speculating... it may not have been for actual filming, but for important information about his face to be used during production, etc. There are lots of explanations, but just so you know, that is where some people might come in here and insist it's ALL CGI from.
They might just be getting his facial movements.

[The Dark Guybrush]

Darkman-esque-ness would be AMAZING!!

[TromaFreak64]

They might just be getting his facial movements.

That's what I am thinking as well. I think Nolan is gonna mix practical and computer effects to pull off the right look, however I don't have evidence to support either side yet. Except flimsy article from the people doing the digital effects which seems to apply it, but never directly says it.

[gwynplaine]

The mo caps might also be for the scene where he gets splashed with acid, so we see his flesh burning and dissolving.

[Agentsands77]

I see what you are saying...but you couuuuuuld expose teeth with make-up
But not without inhibiting the actor's speech.

[gwynplaine]

I just hope they're coming up with something fresh, that we haven't seen too many times before, no mummy, no darkman, no james franco etc... it won't be easy but i hope they do (as far as comics refernces go i kind of like the Daimio look in the BRPD books, with a big chunk of flesh missing on the side of his face.)

[TromaFreak64]

The mo caps might also be for the scene where he gets splashed with acid, so we see his flesh burning and dissolving.

I wonder if they will show that, I mean that is an EXCELLENT point; see so many explanations.

[darknight7]

GUYS! HOLY CRAP!!! A LEAKED PIC OF TWOFACE...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9444/liamneesondarkmanvn5.jpg

Not only did he play Mr. Freeze, but he is going to play TwoFace now too...sheesh

--dk7

[Shoemeister]

GUYS! HOLY CRAP!!! A LEAKED PIC OF TWOFACE...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9444/liamneesondarkmanvn5.jpg

Not only did he play Mr. Freeze, but he is going to play TwoFace now too...sheesh

--dk7

lolliollioxenfree

[dark_b]

That is sort of my fear as well since it is Nolan's world of realism - but I still want something more traditional.what realism? this is a pg-13 movie for christ sake.

lets be realistic here :whatever:

[TromaFreak64]

what realism? this is a pg-13 movie for christ sake.

lets be realistic here :whatever:

The other pictures I was referring to came from a PG-13 film, and my fear that would go for that approach??? So in all honesty, I'm not really sure what clever joke you are trying to make today, but it looks like you missed the mark with that one or failed to be present last May when Spiderman 3 came out.

[itsthebatman]

The computer effects are probably there to provide things make-up can't... For example, things like the exposed teeth ala Sale's Two-Face.
And Eckhart calls himself an actor. Pffft. if he cared about the role, he'd have his lips cut off on one side to expose the teeth. Another terrible casting decision by Nolan. Liev Schreiber would have done it.

[french joker]

a real actor would have burn half of his face with acid for real

[bkey]

This is kind of off subject, but I would appreciate any help. What are some of the best comics or graphic novels featuring Two Face?

[TromaFreak64]

Two face or Harvey Dent???? Does it matter... I mean I personally think you need to get a good mix of both to really appreciate it.

Regardless you should start with The Long Halloween and it's sequel Dark Victory.

[bkey]

both...thank you

[TromaFreak64]

both...thank you

Okay we'll let's hit the essentials first then:

-Batman Year One -- Dent
-The Long Halloween -- Dent/Two Face
-Dark Victory - Two Face
-Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkham_Asylum:_A_Serious_House_on_Serious_Earth) - two face is an important character but not necessarily the "main" character regardless it helps to understand him, so decide on your own accord if that is something you'd like to read
- Dark Knight Returns - Two face is the villain and plays a role in book 1 and 2 in this 4 part story, and while it's not canon it usually ranks among the best Batman stories so its worth the read.
-Batman: Two Face Strikes Twice
-Batman: Featuring Two-Face and the Riddler (http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Featuring-Two-Face-DC-Comics/dp/1563891980/ref=sr_1_3/102-7033570-7139311?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189636636&sr=1-3) - this book seems to do much better than Batman Forever could ever do (http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Origins-Special-Villians-Two-Face/dp/B000SAH82U/ref=sr_1_7/102-7033570-7139311?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189636636&sr=1-7)

-Secret Origins Special #1 : Batman's Vilest Villians - The Riddler, Two-Face, and the Penguin (DC Comics) (http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Origins-Special-Villians-Two-Face/dp/B000SAH82U/ref=sr_1_7/102-7033570-7139311?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189636636&sr=1-7)- okay, not great, but finding good graphic novels with Two Face isn't always as easy as it is with Joker for some reason
-Batman: Hush Vol. 1 and 2 - I really only suggest this if you are REALLY up to speed on your Batman otherwise you are just gonna be looking at amazing art but not understanding anything about the story.

If you want to get more adventurous there are a lot of individual comics that you can buy, pretty cheap that do a good job portraying the character, and are easy to locate. So just let me know, but this should easily get you started with the "big ones".

[bkey]

Thanks Thomafreak I appreciate it I think these will probably keep me occupied for awhile thank you

[Swordmaster]

Get Batman and the Mad Monk. It also features a scene between Bats and Dent.

And it's ****ing awesome

[TripXyDE]

so many characters. Will Harvey be able to show his angst? or will he have an idiotic minimal screentime like how Sandman in Spidey3 left us saying "THAT was IT?"

[gwynplaine]

Hey, Lucha, here are a few suggestions for your Two-Face video :

Acid by lil wyte.
Scarred for life by Rose tatoo.
Half by Soungarden.
Half a man by America.
And for the new Joker one, A clockwork Orange, the main theme, like i suggested before. (i think your file calls it ultra violence.)
Good knight and good luck.

[Luchastyle]

Hey, Lucha, here are a few suggestions for your Two-Face video :

Acid by lil wyte.
Scarred for life by Rose tatoo.
Half by Soungarden.
Half a man by America.
And for the new Joker one, A clockwork Orange, the main theme, like i suggested before. (i think your file calls it ultra violence.)
Good knight and good luck.

thanks. i just got all the two-face pics in the thread. i'll check out those songs and get back to you tomorrow.

[Luchastyle]

image deleted


if two-face were a snickers bar. =|

[jimmy]

Looks like diarrhea.

[Luchastyle]

yes. yes it does. tasted good. doesn't photograph well. and while i knew the joke wasn't humorous and that it was really stupid...i felt compelled to do it.

[jimmy]

Don't do it again. It looks like do-do.

[Luchastyle]

i mean. i agree with you, but it doesn't look much worse than a speedo-clad hasselhoff. =D

[Luchastyle]

can i get a touche?

[Luchastyle]

never got that touche...

[Gianakin_]

Touche...:woot:

[Luchastyle]

=D :up:

[darknight7]

TwoFace:)
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6877/twofaceki3.jpg

--dk7

[Luchastyle]

awesome

[CaptainClown]

I see ya fellas been busy since I was gone. Alright guess I gotta color mine

[gwynplaine]

thanks. i just got all the two-face pics in the thread. i'll check out those songs and get back to you tomorrow.
Hi Lucha, two more songs that i think would work well for your Two-Face video :

Double Trouble by Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Trouble by Elvis Presley. ("if you're looking for trouble, take a look at my face...").

[jimmy]

can i get a touche?

No, but you can get a wangchung, that way, everybody can wangchung to-night.

[Luchastyle]

No, but you can get a wangchung, that way, everybody can wangchung to-night.
a little late...but i'll give it to ya.

[Luchastyle]

Hi Lucha, two more songs that i think would work well for your Two-Face video :

Double Trouble by Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Trouble by Elvis Presley. ("if you're looking for trouble, take a look at my face...").
i'll check em out.

[jimmy]

a little late...but i'll give it to ya.

Darn skippy.

Now! EVERYBODY HAVE FUN TO-NIGHT! Everybody wangchung to-night!

[Luchastyle]

:does the robot: everybody have fun

[darknight7]

I did a spoof on TwoFace...

thought I would post it here as well (i posted it in the fanart)

But what better than the OFFICIAL TWO FACE THREAD:)

hehe

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6897/pf1copyba1.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2154/pf2ra4.jpg


--dk7

[Beanjuice]

I did a spoof on TwoFace...

thought I would post it here as well (i posted it in the fanart)

But what better than the OFFICIAL TWO FACE THREAD:)

hehe

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6897/pf1copyba1.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2154/pf2ra4.jpg


--dk7



brilliant!!!!

[Ecstasy]

I just thought of this now. What if the acid smears on Dent's face, not forming the symmetrical face that Tommy Lee Jones had in Batman Forever?

I mean, it's a little bit sloppy, considering how unnatural and frankly, quite unbelievable how the acid would completely fill one side of his face.

Think about it.

[Gianakin_]

Yes, that's a common thought in these boards. Asymmetrical scars sound about a logical way to go.

[CaptainClown]

Ya, if you see most manips and depictions of two-face it is not even.

[darknight7]

BUMP:)

Asymmetrical...

--dk7http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9444/liamneesondarkmanvn5.jpg

[Mr. Socko]

http://www.metalsmiths.com/scana.jpg

[darknight7]

http://www.metalsmiths.com/scana.jpg

You know...I'm not even being sarcastic right now: I never...EVER realized how bad he looked, until RIGHT NOW

--dk7

[Laderlappen]

http://www.metalsmiths.com/scana.jpg

Worst "scar" ever.

[CaptainClown]

I wonder what Schumacher was doing at the time they gave him the concepts for two-face. Did he pick his two favorites then flip a coin?

[The Redux 714]

Ya know...I don't even know where he went wrong with that Two-Face thing...

I think it starts somewhere with the makeup, passing slowing through the costumes (some of them, I liked teh red and black one), and ending with him calling himself "we" and flipping teh coin multiple times...

Other than that...I liked it...

[CaptainClown]

Well, I didn't mind the we but I hated how Two-face was basically a guy hopped up on red bull. I did also hate the decision maker that was basically keep flipping until you get what you want.

I just wish Two-face referred to himself as we and Harvey as I, also I wish Harvey was more evident rather then whatever it was we saw.

Also his lair and whole scheme was just ...uhhh...grueling to watch

[The Redux 714]

I think the only way to go about doing Two-Face right on film, is to have the actor literaly change the way he carries himself in mid-scene when switching back and forth from Two-Face and Harvey. Something kinda like Willem DaFoe in Spidey 1, but not that drastic.

Have Harvey be the intelligent, well-mannered man he is, but switch on a dime to Two-Face, a gruff gangster type. In the comics, they would change his word bubbles to show which side is speaking. I hope I'm getting my point across...

[The Dark Guybrush]

we're not stupid. you're making sense.

[CaptainClown]

Depends again on how you portray Dent, there are so many good ways. But with Batman Forever we learned 1 way how not to portray him.

[Farren]

You know...I'm not even being sarcastic right now: I never...EVER realized how bad he looked, until RIGHT NOW

--dk7
I hear ya. When I was a kid I thought it looked damned good, and now...yeah...:dry:

[darknight7]

I hear ya. When I was a kid I thought it looked damned good, and now...yeah...:dry:

ya it scared the crap out of me when I was a kid and I first saw him. I was like EWWW HE IS HIDIOUS WOW!!!

now I am like...YUK! HE IS HIDIOUS.......-LY CRAPPY!!

--dk7

[Two-Face]

http://www.metalsmiths.com/scana.jpg

Work of a Satan! :oldrazz:

[Mr. Socko]

http://www.nuvein.com/archived_cinnews_site/neill/twoface.jpg

[jimmy]

It's like the Grinch meets the Phantom of the Opera -- but it went totally wrong!

[Cowleen]

how could a meeting like that go right?

[Starbird]

it looks like someone tossed a bucket of purple paint onto his face..and his suit...well........self-explanatory

[The Dark Guybrush]

drew barrymore was a nice touch.

[jimmy]

how could a meeting like that go right?

Everything goes wrong when
Joel Schumacher

gets involved. :(

[Two-Face]

http://www.nuvein.com/archived_cinnews_site/neill/twoface.jpg

That's NOT Two-Face.:csad:

[The Dark Guybrush]

That's NOT Two-Face.:csad:

yeah well that's your opinion

billy dee = the TRUE harvey dent

[DSET]

anybody have a good rez pic of the two face from grayson and arkham asylum?
the fan made short films

[Bright Knight]

I like the hospital part, but prefer the courtroom scarring...

vGbdcYBywvc

[Orko Is King]

BUMP:)

Asymmetrical...

--dk7http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9444/liamneesondarkmanvn5.jpg

I agree.

[TromaFreak64]

http://www.nuvein.com/archived_cinnews_site/neill/twoface.jpg

I can't even remember if he ended up wearing this in the final film or if it was just the publicity shot here.

[darknight7]

I agree.

Thankyou:)

--dk7

[darknight7]

I can't even remember if he ended up wearing this in the final film or if it was just the publicity shot here.

Wearing the suit?
I don't recall...

--dk7

[CaptainClown]

I wish his other side of the face didn't smirk then maybe it would be a much more tolerable two-face to look at

[Luchastyle]

i was watching it earlier. a lot worse than i remembered. there are some little things i like about the movie, but as a whole, it's kind of a piece of garbage.

[Shoemeister]

I'm not a Schumacher supporter by any means, really, but I find it to be absolutely hilarious that such a capable, talented and trustworthy director such as Christopher Nolan decides to make a few """""""changes"""""" to the Joker (I'm talking looks, not portrayal) and people have a f**king heart attack. Yet, good old Joel translates a Two-Face that's practically identical to the comic onto the screen (again looks, not portrayal) and people still complain.

Don't get me wrong: I think Schumacher is Satan. This just happens to entertain me.

[CaptainClown]

I think if his performance was great and not ridiculous then people would have it be acceptable.

But ya I get what our saying meister, some fans just want their version of batman.

[Luchastyle]

I'm not a Schumacher supporter by any means, really, but I find it to be absolutely hilarious that such a capable, talented and trustworthy director such as Christopher Nolan decides to make a few """""""changes"""""" to the Joker (I'm talking looks, not portrayal) and people have a f**king heart attack. Yet, good old Joel translates a Two-Face that's practically identical to the comic onto the screen (again looks, not portrayal) and people still complain.

Don't get me wrong: I think Schumacher is Satan. This just happens to entertain me.
yeah it is ridiculous, but i think with two-face, it's one of those situations where things look better on a comic page than they do on screen. because with two-face, obviously it has to look a lot more brutal and realistic on screen. but i mean, looking at the rest of the movie, it fits. and i used to love the movie. but i was like 10. and i thought it was the coolest. but now, i like a more serious batman. but for a cartoony, campy batman movie, forever is pretty good. it's not B&R bad. it's just too campy for my batman tastes.

[Shoemeister]

yeah it is ridiculous, but i think with two-face, it's one of those situations where things look better on a comic page than they do on screen.

I totally agree, personally. But like I said, it's just funny to me since so many people want EXACTLY what is in the comics.

[CaptainClown]

I totally agree, personally. But like I said, it's just funny to me since so many people want EXACTLY what is in the comics.

just go to the Batsuit thread, those people want it exactly like the comics.

[Shoemeister]

Ha, tell me about it. Nothing would look better on film than Bats running around in his skintight blue and gray nighties. :whatever:

[Luchastyle]

I totally agree, personally. But like I said, it's just funny to me since so many people want EXACTLY what is in the comics.
yeah. that's ridiculous

just go to the Batsuit thread, those people want it exactly like the comics.
that may work in dead end or something. but that wouldn't work in a big movie. besides, you would have to have him put a bulletproof vest underneath (that's what he does in the comics.). in the comics, he keeps his normal shape, because it's a comic book. but in real life a guy in spandex with a bulletproof vest under it really wouldn't look very cool or menacing. i think rubber, or armor just works a lot better for a feature length.

[Mr. Socko]

Sometimes Two Face just looks absolutely ridiculous.


http://www.moviesboom.com/images/article_image/full/twoface3_1097221604000.jpg

[Luchastyle]

Sometimes Two Face just looks absolutely ridiculous.


http://www.moviesboom.com/images/article_image/full/twoface3_1097221604000.jpg
heh, look at that hair.

[CaptainClown]

oh wow...

[Shoemeister]

Sometimes Two Face just looks absolutely ridiculous.


http://www.moviesboom.com/images/article_image/full/twoface3_1097221604000.jpg

That's pretty much Batman Forever right durr.

[Luchastyle]

i don't understand why the two-face side forgot how to brush his hair...

[CaptainClown]

he flipped a coin and decided to leave it nappy.

[Shoemeister]

i don't understand why the two-face side forgot how to brush his hair...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zGmLg2F2Ug

[The Dark Guybrush]

well, his hands are usually full..
one's got the coin, one's got a gun.

[Luchastyle]

umm...hmm...ah...hmm. because it's opposite day for his other side???

[Shoemeister]

umm...hmm...ah...hmm. because it's opposite day for his other side???

uh yah lyk ttly

[CaptainClown]

They should have a segment where they take away two-faces coin and give him an 8ball, I just want to read that.

[Shoemeister]

They should have a segment where they take away two-faces coin and give him an 8ball, I just want to read that.

I have no problem with that.

[Luchastyle]

the manic 8-ball, girl hitler and catclops. catclops is my favorite =D

[The Dark Guybrush]

They should have a segment where they take away two-faces coin and give him an 8ball, I just want to read that.

8 ball or Magic 8 ball?? :huh:

[Shoemeister]

8 ball or Magic 8 ball?? :huh:

Speedball, IMFO.

[CaptainClown]

both....

but magic 8 ball, I want him to have a gun to someones head, shake it and then it says "ask again later" then two-face sighs and waits.


@ lucha "you mess with the cat and you get the clopse.."

[Luchastyle]

i was counting on you to get the reference cap'n =D

[Shoemeister]

but magic 8 ball, I want him to have a gun to someones head, shake it and then it says "ask again later" then two-face sighs and waits.

lol

[CaptainClown]

i was counting on you to get the reference cap'n =D

The wallflower! we meet again!

I quote venture bros all the time

[Luchastyle]

do you guys think two-face should have almost bleached looking hair on the acid burn side? or should it be burned off?

[CaptainClown]

burned off, though white hair I wouldn't really mind since it kind of was a traumatic event.

[Luchastyle]

perhaps some could be burned off and then have some remaining white hairs

[CaptainClown]

It would be kind of annoying to see that, I dunno stray hairs bother me haha

[Luchastyle]

heh. then have riddler in there as someone with OCD and he would stalk two-face trying to cut off the stray hairs. hmm...i think riddler should have ocd. that kind of makes sense.

[The Dark Guybrush]

it should most definitely be burned off.. any acid strong enough to melt flesh would most certainly destroy hair.

[Luchastyle]

yes. yes it would.

[Luchastyle]

one last question of what song i should use for the two-face video? i think i'm going to start making it right now. i could always do a second one with a different song. but what should i use?

[Carlito Jones]

here's my take on harvey dent/two face in the dark knight harvey dent is gonna be one corrupt lawyer with mob ties and top of that he'll face the joker earlier in the movie their first meeting will take place in front of gotham city hall joker says to him and points a gun at him " maroni and baloney and cheese" and starts laughing and then he says " harvey bleeds" harvey looks at him and says " you're going down" and joker make a evil look on his face and says " it's my town" and knocks harvey out with his gun laughing saying " man down" as the movie progresses harvey join in on mob deals and set up maroni causing a feud between the two. towards the end of the movie we see harvey sitting at table and one of maroni's boys comes up to him and says " compliments of the boss" and throws acid on harvey's face and then tyhe screen goes black and we cut to a scene showing harvey standing in a bar camera is on harvey's back we see two dead cops on the floor and the camera pans to harvey 's hand we see him flip a coin and then the end credits roll that's the way end a movie

[CaptainClown]

block of text makes it hard for captain clown to read...

Interesting new take, but I have always liked Dent being good and two-face doing what needs to get done to clean up his city.

[Carlito Jones]

dent should be good for the first half of the movie and then go corrupt

[Artos]

So random Two-Face related story of the day...

I was sitting in Sunday school today and my teacher pops in a BYU made video talking about repentance or something and low and behold, who shows up on the screen, but Aaron Eckhart. (Who was a BYU theater grad) I actually laughed out loud and had to explain that this random guy actually went on to be a fairly popular actor and yeah...

Worst part, he had really bad 90s hair :(

[Luchastyle]

heh. interesting

[Artos]

Yeah, it was just rather random. All the sudden I was like, wait..that's Two Face!

[Farren]

Worst part, he had really bad 90s hair :(lol, I really want to see that vid

[Farren]

it looks like someone tossed a bucket of purple paint onto his face..and his suit...well........self-explanatoryyeah, that pretty much sums it up

[drakefinx2604]

I don't know if this has come up yet, but to anyone who has seen the season premiere of heroes, was the scene with Nathan Petrelli looking at the mirror not a ripoff of two face or what??? The moment they showed that, first name that pops into my head: Two Face!

[The Dark Guybrush]

I personally cannot stand that show.

[Alp000]

I don't know if this has come up yet, but to anyone who has seen the season premiere of heroes, was the scene with Nathan Petrelli looking at the mirror not a ripoff of two face or what??? The moment they showed that, first name that pops into my head: Two Face!

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5723/vlcsnap112075xq3.th.png (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap112075xq3.png)

[Two-Face]

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5723/vlcsnap112075xq3.th.png (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap112075xq3.png)



Woah! :eek:

[drakefinx2604]

Now replace that with Aaron Eckhart and there u go. That would be pretty damn awesome.

[Juggernaut33]

Now replace that with Aaron Eckhart and there u go. That would be pretty damn awesome.

I don't think it is enough damage for an acid scared face.

[dark_b]

thats two face. yeah i am talking about heroes.
this was the perfect scene for a two face cliffhanger
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8786/vlcsnap112075xq3ag6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Gotham]

I don't know if this has come up yet, but to anyone who has seen the season premiere of heroes, was the scene with Nathan Petrelli looking at the mirror not a ripoff of two face or what??? The moment they showed that, first name that pops into my head: Two Face!


You and everyone else around the world. They weren't trying to rip him off, only show a prime example that Nathan has two-faces. :dry:

[bkey]

thats two face. yeah i am talking about heroes.
this was the perfect scene for a two face cliffhanger
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8786/vlcsnap112075xq3ag6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Someone should make a manip of this with Aaron Eckhart

[breyfogle_rules]

You and everyone else around the world. They weren't trying to rip him off, only show a prime example that Nathan has two-faces. :dry:

Yes. Yes. Much different. You see, he is now 'Double Visage". Or better, "More Than One But Less Than Three - Face".

[itsthebatman]

I personally cannot stand that show.
Leave this place. I shun you.

[Lord Doom]

I'm goin' as Two-Face for Haloween. He's one of my all-time afvorite Bat villains.

[Gianakin_]

Leave this place. I shun you.

Your sig is pure gold, as is Blackadder.

[JStorm]

Leave this place. I shun you.

Completely off topic, but we have a friend that we shun, at least, once a month.

Typical scenario: "Bob" goes out with us Friday night, on the town, if you will. We all gather at out traditional bar, and begin the tradition of Friday nights: we drink.

The night grows long, and must of us become slightly.. drunk, "Bob" as well. Most of us have girlfriends, so we stick to the "good boyfriend" code and merely flirt, if any.

"Bob," who does not have a girl friend, can not close any deal. I don't care how may drinks he buys for the chosen female of the evening, he can not pass go.

And I don't even mean in the crudest way. He can't even get digits!

And, like the previous poster has said, we shun him. And it's not even a quiet, "you need to call it a night" shun. One of us says out loud, "you can't come downtown next week... you're shunned."

The funny part.. he actually follows what we say, and we see him in two weeks.

That is a shun!

[drakefinx2604]

Yes. Yes. Much different. You see, he is now 'Double Visage". Or better, "More Than One But Less Than Three - Face".

Hahaha. Thanks for the backup Breyfogle. Nathan Petrelli = Two-Face (...in the Heroes universe)

Btw, Gotham, I never said I wasn't a fan of Heroes (I'm actually a huge fan to set that straight). But objectively, and like you said, "Nathan has Two-Faces". Need I say more? And hey, maybe they even have an amazing story w/ this Nathan Two-Face plotline. As long as it distinguishes itself from the Bats Two-Face, I for one am actually excited to see where they take it.

And someone get on that Aaron Eckhart/Nathan Petrelli manip:woot:! It's gotta be doable!

[StorminNorman]

Hahaha. Thanks for the backup Breyfogle. Nathan Petrelli = Two-Face (...in the Heroes universe)

Btw, Gotham, I never said I wasn't a fan of Heroes (I'm actually a huge fan to set that straight). But objectively, and like you said, "Nathan has Two-Faces". Need I say more? And hey, maybe they even have an amazing story w/ this Nathan Two-Face plotline. As long as it distinguishes itself from the Bats Two-Face, I for one am actually excited to see where they take it.

And someone get on that Aaron Eckhart/Nathan Petrelli manip:woot:! It's gotta be doable!

Nathan Petrelli's only connections with Two Face is the fact he was once a lawyer and the fact he is uber badass. Petrelli has no split personality, and isn't bad.

[drakefinx2604]

Nathan Petrelli's only connections with Two Face is the fact he was once a lawyer and the fact he is uber badass. Petrelli has no split personality, and isn't bad.

As we know so far......

[TatersPrecious]

There are any number of reasons why he wasn't around in BB. I'm sure it works in the script.

Eckhart's gonna knock this out of the park. Or maybe poop on my expectations. But I hope the former.

[Luchastyle]

he's replacing the murdered DA from the first movie, i'm sure.

[darknight7]

This doesn't really have anything to do with discussion going on, I just kind of thought about it today.

The dude from Constantine, who gets his face melted by "Neo" lol, uuum, that was pretty cool, he really reminded me of TwoFace especially because of the pin-stripe suit...

I can't find a pic of it though, can anyone else?

--dk7

[MiniBond]

Nathan Petrelli's only connections with Two Face is the fact he was once a lawyer and the fact he is uber badass. Petrelli has no split personality, and isn't bad.
Yeah but Pasdar would have been a good candidate for the role !

[Iceburgeruk]

http://www.metalsmiths.com/scana.jpg

It`s almost exceptable except for the fact that the bloody line is so f`n straight on his face. Its like maroni used a spirit level to work out how to disfigure him.

[Iceburgeruk]

I personally hate the batman forver idea of two face having a range of half-half suits. I mean where would he get them form? I mena he can`t go and buy them and if he sent someone else to do it then batamn can easily find two-face by finding out who is the biggest customer for crazy suits which have opposite colours on each side.

What would make more sense is that in Dark Knight we shall prob not see much of him so it will not matter. In the following film they should have that two face wears a regular suit but in tune with his psychosis he defaces the opposite side of it to match his face. So one side is normal and the other has rips, gashes and various ink/dye/paint stains he has added to it. It shouldn`t look like he has a personal tailor it should look like they were prob the normal suits harvey had when he was DA and that as two-face he has made some rather maateurish botched insane alterations.

[LexCorp]

What an overwhelming response to YES

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5425/dentef0.jpg

[LexCorp]

Why post that...ohh the horror :dry:

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Why post that...ohh the horror :dry:

It`s almost exceptable except for the fact that the bloody line is so f`n straight on his face. Its like maroni used a spirit level to work out how to disfigure him.

Don't like the two-face half of his suit, it's like a 1980's wallpaper, simple grey, or black and white would have been better, in many cases for all schumachers extravagances, simplicity and subtilty would have been more effective.

[LexCorp]

Don't like the two-face half of his suit, it's like a 1980's wallpaper, simple grey, or black and white would have been better, in many cases for all schumachers extravagances, simplicity and subtilty would have been more effective.

Or the face for that matter...

It was less of a scar more of a purple face paint gone wrong.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Yea.

[LexCorp]

Yea.

I am sure the next version will be much better. :cwink:

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Yea, i liked the way Nolan used computer generated stuff in batman begins it seemed more palpable than alot of other movies.

[Two-Face]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5425/dentef0.jpg

That's even worse...:o

[Dark Sentinel]

heres a screenshot of the latest Heroes episode that shows Nathan Petrelli's "scar" full-on:

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.ea0b35815f.jpg (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?ea0b35815f.jpg)

[LexCorp]

heres a screenshot of the latest Heroes episode that shows Nathan Petrelli's "scar" full-on:

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.ea0b35815f.jpg (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?ea0b35815f.jpg)

Spoilers....!

But yes that is cool.

[Two-Face]

heres a screenshot of the latest Heroes episode that shows Nathan Petrelli's "scar" full-on:

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.ea0b35815f.jpg (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?ea0b35815f.jpg)

That's perfect image of Two-Face. CALL NOLAN!

[LexCorp]

That's perfect image of Two-Face. CALL NOLAN!

Do you watch Heroes?

[Two-Face]

Do you watch Heroes?

It comes on BBC 2 (UK channel) but the time (10:30 or 11:00pm) it comes on I'm in bed.:csad:

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Cube head looks pretty good, the beard was more disturbing, glad he shaved.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

It comes on BBC 2 (UK channel) but the time (10:30 or 11:00pm) it comes on I'm in bed.:csad:

Dvd released, better getting that, it's an alright show, America on season 2, bbc very slow.

[LexCorp]

It comes on BBC 2 (UK channel) but the time (10:30 or 11:00pm) it comes on I'm in bed.:csad:

That sucks...

I am downloading season 2.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Season 2 seems a little disappointing atm, hopefully it builds up to something alot better.

[LexCorp]

Season 2 seems a little disappointing atm, hopefully it builds up to something alot better.

Heroes fill only go downhill given that most of the effort was put into season 1.....they will let it ride out untill it dies.

[Rezzo]

Season 2 seems a little disappointing atm, hopefully it builds up to something alot better.

Seems to be turning into Lost. :huh:

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Seems to be turning into Lost. :huh:


Season 2 of lost built up to an even better conclusion than season 1 i thought, but season 3 is a total friggin mess, locke seems to be it's only saving grace atm.

[Sub-Zero]

...so how bout that two-face...

[Hyden]

I was going to make this a thread, but since I don't have that ability yet, this should do.

Long time reader, first time poster.

I’ve had this theory rumbling in my head for a good while now, and seeing as I’ve yet to hear any proof against it, and I’ve yet to hear anybody else with a similar theory speak their piece, I thought I’d air it out for discussion.

If you’ll remember, the ‘Batman animated series’ had an interesting take on Harvey Dent/ Two-Face, before his transformation he already showed signs of multiple personality disorder with the violent alter-ego of “Big Bad Harv” BEFORE his accident. ‘Long Halloween’, the noted primary source for The Dark Knight presented a similar version in a much more subtle way as the issue is left ambiguous as to Harvey’s involvement in the murders, with the possibility of more than one Holiday killer.
Now, my theory evolved as more and more rumors came through about the Joker’s ferry attacks. I think anybody familiar with the Two-Face can definitely see the Two-Face-esque aspects of the two-ferry setup. Frankly, I couldn’t ignore the Two-Face aspect of the crime, even as more and more rumors confirmed that the Joker was behind it, in a little “social experiment”. I thought it was completely ridiculous that Nolan would use such a Two-Face like scheme for the Joker when he knows full we know full well that he is setting Two-Face up for a prominent role in the next film (moreover, if, as they say, Joker wont die in this one, with Two-Face and Joker on the loose in the next film, we can expect a jumble)
As it has become increasingly obvious that not only Harvey Dent, but Two-Face himself would be playing a major role in the film, I began to become concerned about possibility of an overcrowded script, especially where multiple villains are concerned. While Nolan (in my opinion) pulled it off quite deftly in Begins, I think anybody who’s seen Spider Man 3 and the two Schumacher movies would be a little edgy about two villains both having arch status in the same movie.
So, “in my desperation” I tried to discern what a smart writer might do to remedy this distressing “too much going on” situation. To me it seemed Two-face was a much to difficult ball to juggle in a film, that, as all the marketing has shown, most certainly relies heavily on establishing the Joker as a monolithic and terrifying threat to Batman and Gotham city. What I came up with was the a Big Bad Harv type alter-ego already alive and well, but unknown to our hero Harvey Dent, and this evil alter-ego is the fellow pulling the strings behind the Joker’s schemes. This alternate Harv could already be a mob heavy hitter, calling the shots via Telephone, never showing his face. Maybe even the Joker doesn’t know who he is… maybe he even orders his own scarring.
I think, if this is the case, I don’t think it would diminish the threat of Joker at all, I done well, after all, some of the finest villains in pop-culture history have been henchmen. And of coarse, in Dark victory, Joker was one of Two-Face’s Lieutenants.
If this were the case it would solve several problems, one being the potential villain clutter in both this film and the next one, if Joker is mad face of some behind the scenes evil turned freak mob boss, things fit much better than two nut jobs both trying to do their own thing, especially as far as a movie plot goes. The second issue is that it would not only drive a more cohesive plot but give some pretext to harvey’s post-scar madness after evil Harv is revealed. And Batman’s supposed t0 be a detective in this, to paraphrase Nolan, “his detective work is going to drive the plot”, and Batman chasing a mysterious mad clown and searching for the identity of his secret phantom mob boss is a mystery that works just fine. And it could set up the Gang war that was Moroni vs. Falcone in the comics, but with behind the curtain Harv instead of Falcone

So, discuss, any input, would be great. Again this is all just theory based on what we know so far.

[Luchastyle]

welcome to the hype. always good when lurkers join up. clearly you HAVE read things here for quite some time and seem to be up on all the info.

it's not a bad theory at all. in fact, it's a pretty good one. normally i would say it's not possible. but just considering the two ferries, one filled with good citizens, and one filled with bad criminals just screams two-face, so the idea of two-face ultimately being behind it is pretty plausible. but we'll see how it all plays out.

[Luchastyle]

Seems to be turning into Lost. :huh:
meaning it's stealing major themes and plot points from watchmen? OOOHHHH BURN

[MiniBond]

heres a screenshot of the latest Heroes episode that shows Nathan Petrelli's "scar" full-on:

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.ea0b35815f.jpg (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?ea0b35815f.jpg)
Welll...looks more like a zombie or something !:o :csad:

[Darkness Falls]

I was going to make this a thread, but since I don't have that ability yet, this should do.

Long time reader, first time poster.

I’ve had this theory rumbling in my head for a good while now, and seeing as I’ve yet to hear any proof against it, and I’ve yet to hear anybody else with a similar theory speak their piece, I thought I’d air it out for discussion.

If you’ll remember, the ‘Batman animated series’ had an interesting take on Harvey Dent/ Two-Face, before his transformation he already showed signs of multiple personality disorder with the violent alter-ego of “Big Bad Harv” BEFORE his accident. ‘Long Halloween’, the noted primary source for The Dark Knight presented a similar version in a much more subtle way as the issue is left ambiguous as to Harvey’s involvement in the murders, with the possibility of more than one Holiday killer.
Now, my theory evolved as more and more rumors came through about the Joker’s ferry attacks. I think anybody familiar with the Two-Face can definitely see the Two-Face-esque aspects of the two-ferry setup. Frankly, I couldn’t ignore the Two-Face aspect of the crime, even as more and more rumors confirmed that the Joker was behind it, in a little “social experiment”. I thought it was completely ridiculous that Nolan would use such a Two-Face like scheme for the Joker when he knows full we know full well that he is setting Two-Face up for a prominent role in the next film (moreover, if, as they say, Joker wont die in this one, with Two-Face and Joker on the loose in the next film, we can expect a jumble)
As it has become increasingly obvious that not only Harvey Dent, but Two-Face himself would be playing a major role in the film, I began to become concerned about possibility of an overcrowded script, especially where multiple villains are concerned. While Nolan (in my opinion) pulled it off quite deftly in Begins, I think anybody who’s seen Spider Man 3 and the two Schumacher movies would be a little edgy about two villains both having arch status in the same movie.
So, “in my desperation” I tried to discern what a smart writer might do to remedy this distressing “too much going on” situation. To me it seemed Two-face was a much to difficult ball to juggle in a film, that, as all the marketing has shown, most certainly relies heavily on establishing the Joker as a monolithic and terrifying threat to Batman and Gotham city. What I came up with was the a Big Bad Harv type alter-ego already alive and well, but unknown to our hero Harvey Dent, and this evil alter-ego is the fellow pulling the strings behind the Joker’s schemes. This alternate Harv could already be a mob heavy hitter, calling the shots via Telephone, never showing his face. Maybe even the Joker doesn’t know who he is… maybe he even orders his own scarring.
I think, if this is the case, I don’t think it would diminish the threat of Joker at all, I done well, after all, some of the finest villains in pop-culture history have been henchmen. And of coarse, in Dark victory, Joker was one of Two-Face’s Lieutenants.
If this were the case it would solve several problems, one being the potential villain clutter in both this film and the next one, if Joker is mad face of some behind the scenes evil turned freak mob boss, things fit much better than two nut jobs both trying to do their own thing, especially as far as a movie plot goes. The second issue is that it would not only drive a more cohesive plot but give some pretext to harvey’s post-scar madness after evil Harv is revealed. And Batman’s supposed t0 be a detective in this, to paraphrase Nolan, “his detective work is going to drive the plot”, and Batman chasing a mysterious mad clown and searching for the identity of his secret phantom mob boss is a mystery that works just fine. And it could set up the Gang war that was Moroni vs. Falcone in the comics, but with behind the curtain Harv instead of Falcone

So, discuss, any input, would be great. Again this is all just theory based on what we know so far.

that was really good man
welcome to the hype :woot:

[Hyden]

that was really good man
welcome to the hype :woot:

thanks guys.

[Shoemeister]

heres a screenshot of the latest Heroes episode that shows Nathan Petrelli's "scar" full-on:

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.ea0b35815f.jpg (http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?ea0b35815f.jpg)

Bleh. No thanks.

[CaptainClown]

I heard Heroes is just turning into Watchmen

[Beanjuice]

i got bored wiht heroes

[CaptainClown]

i never liked heroes it seemed so predictable. First time i actually watched an episode was the season finale and i guessed how everything would end and I was right and I just felt so dissapointed

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

i got bored wiht heroes

Getting the same way.

[Ender Durden]

heroes was pretty much always boring to me.


when the f is lost coming back on? i gave up on it about halfway thru last season but im kinda interested to get back into it :hyper:

[CaptainClown]

dude they need to get lost out cause people forgot all about it

[batdoyle]

not an update or anything, sorry....but just wanted to share. Me and my missus liv ein london, and we decided to go for a wlk near the london eye etc, and visit the aquarium. Whilst looking the other way, who did i walk in to? obvious i know, but AARON ECKHART/2 FACE/HARVEY DENT (you choose). I behaved like a 12 yr old school girl and started making noises like an ape. Made my day anyway.

[CaptainClown]

awesome. Was he nice?

[batdoyle]

he didnt say anything. just smiled, then i think i freaked him out when i behaved like an ape. ha ha. annoying thing is, we had 2 cameras with us,and 2 camera phones and it wasnt until about an hour later i realised i should have done the obvious. ha ha.

my missus didnt have a clue who he was.....oh dear

ive had my head in the sand at the moment so missing where they are filming. are they filming in the uk at the minute? i know they blew up battersea power station (so to speak).

he was also dressed very 'harvey dent' (suit, scarf long jacket).

[batdoyle]

oh, and a brief case. could just be coincidence, i know

[comic_guy04]

sounds cool........I woulda took the breifcase and ran away with it just to find that it could possibly be empty, in which case I would probably run back after him and give it back. But to his sour discovery, the case was filled with human excrement. At that point I would have made him smoke my little blue flower, and then I'd throw a smoke bomb and dissappear.

[Tempest19]

He HAS to look similar to Nathan on Heroes in Two-Face form. That effect is fckin awesome!

[MiniBond]

He HAS to look similar to Nathan on Heroes in Two-Face form. That effect is fckin awesome!
The effect in an upper post ?


Well...I'd like something "drier" if you know what I mean !:cwink: :woot:

[Gianakin_]

The thing is, Nathan's injury takes 3/4 of his face, it's too much. Plus, I think they've tamed it a bit for TV censoring purposes (naturally, TDK iwll be PG-13, but still, I think things work differently in cinema). I'd like it like this, but a more ideal route would be more extreme.

[Darknightnomis]

He HAS to look similar to Nathan on Heroes in Two-Face form. That effect is fckin awesome!

I thought the same thing as soon as I saw it last night.

[MiniBond]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/chapter56_ee.jpg



Weird !!! I don't like the color but the effect is great !:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[Devan]

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x87/DVN_album/Face.gif

[gwynplaine]

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x87/DVN_album/Face.gif
That's cool and it even looks like Eckard.

[Rezzo]

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x87/DVN_album/Face.gif

Goes nicely with the Joker one :up:

[Darkness Falls]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/chapter56_ee.jpg



he looks like freddy kruger
awesome :wow:

[Gotham]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/chapter56_ee.jpg



he looks like freddy kruger
awesome :wow:

Adrian Pasdar had sort of a Two-face look going on earlier. Pretty damn cool.

[MiniBond]

Adrian Pasdar had sort of a Two-face look going on earlier. Pretty damn cool.
He definitely has a Harvey Dent look !



he could also portray a nice Bruce Wayne !

[Two-Face]

He definitely has a Harvey Dent look !



he could also portray a nice Bruce Wayne !


Let's keep Bale...

[MiniBond]

Let's keep Bale...
Yes but for a nearly past 40 Wayne he would be good !

[Two-Face]

Yes but for a nearly past 40 Wayne he would be good !

Yeah Let's still keep BALE til his 50s.

[MiniBond]

Yeah Let's still keep BALE til his 50s.
I'm not sure ! There are plenty of others who could play Bats !

[Two-Face]

I'm not sure ! There are plenty of others who could play Bats !


Yeah but BALE is the BATMAN for me. I will be sad when he hangs up the Batsuit.


Back to Harvey Dent, any promotion for Gotham's favourite DA?