Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[DoctorJones]

I think Dent's accident is when he realizes that he's not getting his message across: a good honest man gets disfigured for being a good honest man. So all that stress turns him into a vigilante: like a living zombie, getting revenge back and twisting his own ideals again. I really like the idea of Dent being the white knight turned black knight.

[Nightwing1977]

hullo Two Face Thread!

i just made a manip and id like to know what you guys think. It's my first two face manip so be gentle.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/eckharttwoface.jpghttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/dentbatman3manip.jpg

Love it!! Look way better than TLJ's makeup. It would be neat if they go with something like this. :):up:

[ARachnidPK]

what is TLJ? i'm sorry....im not good at abbreviations and such.

[CaptainClown]

tommy lee jones

[ARachnidPK]

thanks for the help, cap.

[Armored Avenger]

I hope the make up and CGI on Two-Face is similar to whats in the Long Halloween and Dark Victory, with the Eyelid, Ear and Hair on the burnt side being completely removed.

[Reflectionist]

I think they'll go a little more in the way of Burnt Anakin from Star Wars 3:

http://img157.exs.cx/img157/1773/starwars3burnt7jk.jpg

Except only with half of his face, of course.... And to a more extensive degree directly to the face. Here, Anakin's face was relatively spared... And then the CGI would be for movement of the tissue and possible blood or gore, or something similar to how Batman looked under the influence of Fear Gas.

[PJBoy]

hullo Two Face Thread!

i just made a manip and id like to know what you guys think. It's my first two face manip so be gentle.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/eckharttwoface.jpghttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/dentbatman3manip.jpg
Awesome!

[joey la douche]

So he's the main villian and not the joker?

[Compi716]

"Still Believe?"

I like that, ARachnidPK! Nice job!

[DoctorJones]

So he's the main villian and not the joker?

No, it's just the Joker has no character arc. Dent turning into Two-Face will provide the meat of the drama.

[Joker8906]

joker arc: I wanna watch the world burn...
dent will actually have development, we get to like him he becomes a monster we love to hate him.

[ARachnidPK]

"Still Believe?"

I like that, ARachnidPK! Nice job!

thanks!

[TKJ9181]

hullo Two Face Thread!

i just made a manip and id like to know what you guys think. It's my first two face manip so be gentle.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/eckharttwoface.jpghttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/dentbatman3manip.jpg

AWSOME!!!! I like it ALOT. Maybe find away to put a white/black or black/puke green suit on it.

~:hoboj:~

[That'ssuper!]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4779/photo136pr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here's one idea I've had for what Two Face could look like.

[JackBauer24]

Just out of interest, does anybody think that Two-Face will ever actually be referred to as 'Two-Face' in Nolan's films? Or will he still just be called Harvey?

[Conebone69]

I really like how nothings being released on two-face so it'll build up the anticipation for him in the movie

[Conebone69]

Just out of interest, does anybody think that Two-Face will ever actually be referred to as 'Two-Face' in Nolan's films? Or will he still just be called Harvey?
Idk, I hope they do. But maybe his name will be introduced in the third movie

[ospumas1]

Does anyone else think Nolan's two-face won't be like the comics two-face exactly? Instead of him being scarred in the exact middle of his face and over evenly and his hair and neck being scarred, it may be more realistic such as his hair may still be normal and the scarring may be uneven. I think that would look awesome.

[Rockadood]

I'd love to see Two-Face go really crazy and shave weird designs into one side of his head.

[Starbird]

I'd love Two-Face not shave weird designs on the side of his head.

[regwec]

Well, UK Toyfair at least seems to confirm that Two Face will flip his trusty old coin!

That actually goes some way to alleviating most of my worries about the treatment of the character.

[Harvey_Dent]

hullo Two Face Thread!

i just made a manip and id like to know what you guys think. It's my first two face manip so be gentle.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/eckharttwoface.jpg

The best manip i see. :)

But....don´t use a picture of Eckhart with a open shirt. ;) An can you cut the scarred hair? :)

[Aidan2209]

Well, UK Toyfair at least seems to confirm that Two Face will flip his trusty old coin!

That actually goes some way to alleviating most of my worries about the treatment of the character.

I think the Wizard World footage was reported to show him flipping the coin.

[regwec]

Yeah, but I tended to treat that as hearsay. If you can buy the prop, then you can rest assured that it features in the movie to a greater extent.

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, but I tended to treat that as hearsay. If you can buy the prop, then you can rest assured that it features in the movie to a greater extent.

I'd love a promotional pic of Harvey Dent flipping his coin. I don't need to see Two-Face before the film's release. Give me that pic and I'll be happy.

[Captain Planet!]

I think they'll go a little more in the way of Burnt Anakin from Star Wars 3:

http://img157.exs.cx/img157/1773/starwars3burnt7jk.jpg

Except only with half of his face, of course.... And to a more extensive degree directly to the face. Here, Anakin's face was relatively spared... And then the CGI would be for movement of the tissue and possible blood or gore, or something similar to how Batman looked under the influence of Fear Gas.
I agree.

[Bright Knight]

Well, UK Toyfair at least seems to confirm that Two Face will flip his trusty old coin!

That actually goes some way to alleviating most of my worries about the treatment of the character.


What are your other worries? Why have you worries?

[Reflectionist]

I agree.

Thanks. And, for what it's worth, I'd love to see someone try a manip of that sort of scarring.

[DiMiT]

I am content with the casting for Ηarvey Dent. Honestly, I like the actor and his work, no problems there... Βut, for me to say yes this was the right choice, without a shadow of a doubt? I reserve judgement.

[Aidan2209]

I think the acid will leave different a kind of scarring than the fire that burnt Anakin. I'm not expecting it to look so charred.

[project13]

Check out this poster:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o45/Kon-El_02/79098218we0.png


Ok, I just added the tagline.

Oh, and here the pic for a concept of Two-face in TDK.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o45/Kon-El_02/Ultspidey_103.png

[regwec]

Why has his damaged skin tried to heal his mouth and eye shut? And how come he looks about 10? The poster is good, though. Who did it?

[batboy99]

Its ultimate Spidey, he always looked 10 and im guessing the skin just rand down maybe and healed up like that

[The Battousai]

Why has his damaged skin tried to heal his mouth and eye shut? And how come he looks about 10? The poster is good, though. Who did it?

hobo123 - on the bottom-right side of the poster

[Shoemeister]

hullo Two Face Thread!

i just made a manip and id like to know what you guys think. It's my first two face manip so be gentle.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c161/lsharma/eckharttwoface.jpg

This might be one of the best I've seen yet. Nice job.

[Timstuff]

I really hope that for Two Face, they imply that Harvey Dent had some pre-existing psychological problems before his face got scarred, like in BTAS. I never bought it how in some versions it's supposed to be the trauma of the scarring that causes him to go insane, because there are plenty of real people with marred faces who don't end up like Two Face. The scars should only be a catalyst that causes Harvey Dent's dark side to surface.

[DoctorJones]

I concur: if Nolan chose to move Dent's scarring to TDK rather than a third film, he must have had good ideas to help speed up the transformation.

[regwec]

He might have been saving those ideas for the third film, if he planned to make it. It would be in his style to show the transformation and then explain it from another perspective later.

[The Caped Knight]

Tommy Lee Jones Surprised by the Two Faces of Harvey Dent
8 Comments | Published by Larry Carroll on Thursday, November 8, 2007 at 1:54 pm.

Yesterday, we ran an item on Jack Nicholson’s bitterness over not being asked back to portray his legendary Batman baddie The Joker. Now, another former Gotham City menace is weighing in on the young whippersnapper who’ll squeeze into a previously-worn costume…and his tune is decidedly different.
“Really?” Tommy Lee Jones said over the weekend, when told that Harvey “Two-Face” Dent was appearing in next July’s Batman sequel “The Dark Knight.” “I thought he died.”

Well yeah, Tommy, your Two-Face fell to his death at the end of 1995’s “Batman Forever,” seemingly killing off the character. But now Chris Nolan has taken over the franchise after “Batman Begins,” and he gave you and Nicholson the Heisman in favor of “Dark Knight” villains Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart.

“Oh,” the Oscar winner replied, insisting that he hadn’t heard the casting news. “I didn’t know that.”

“But yeah, he’s a good guy,” Jones said of Eckhart’s selection as his successor. “I’ve worked with him. He’s an awfully good guy.”

Contrary to the opinion of Nicholson, Jones is content to dismiss his brief “Batman” career. Largely considered the film that began a slow, painful, camp-fueled death for the black-suited superhero (with “Batman and Robin” marking the final nail in that coffin), the “Forever” villains are often listed among the worst comic-book performances of all time.

Asked bluntly whether he would’ve liked to play Two-Face again, Tommy Lee Jones offered a stiff, one-word response: “No.”

“Aaron is a good actor,” said Jones, declining the opportunity to offer his “The Missing” co-star any advice. “He can take care of himself.”

“That make-up, however, is difficult,” he said, offering a rare grin.

Is TLJ being too hard on his Batman roots, or is it a good thing that he’ll never play Harvey Dent again? Does it shock you that he didn’t even know Two Face appears in “Dark Knight”? Is Eckhart simply a better choice to play the Gotham City District Attorney? Flip your coin, form your opinion, and weigh in below, Bat-fans!

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/11/08/tommy-lee-jones-surprised-by-the-two-faces-of-harvey-dent/

I'm Glad Tommy is cool with Aaron taken the role of Harvey Dent / Two-Face .

[DoctorJones]

It was posted already, but yeah, Jones is the man.

[The Joker_1000]

Tommy Lee Jones is a great actor but Two-Face wasn't one of his best roles. Still a great actor though.

[Timstuff]

I blame the script of Batman Forever for Two-Face being bad more than TLJ. It seemed like Jones was having a lot of fun playing Two-Face, but the character was extremely shallow and one-dimensional, basically a Joker wannabe. I'm glad to see he's given his blessing on Eckhart playing the role though, unlike that sourpuss Jack Nicholson (which is yet another reason why Hammil's Joker was better).

[MarkJK1441]

i was thinking the other day about what Two-Face will wear i was thinking that a black pin strip suit with a white pinstripe shirt would be kool or the other way arounf would be kool too. what do you guys think

[Timstuff]

I think that if they wanted to go really subtle, he should wear a gray suit with a tie that's half white, half black. But if they want to go more comic book esque (like they did with Joker's clothes), it should be half black, half white.

http://cinemareference.blogs.allocine.fr/blogsdatas/mdata/4/7/8/Z20050313212430647991874/img/two_face.jpg

[CaptainClown]

I only don't want the two tone suit for two-face because, where would he get it from. Can you honestly imagine Two-face holding a tailor hostage just to get a custom suit.

[project13]

Check out this poster:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o45/Kon-El_02/79098218we0.png


Ok, I just added the tagline.

Oh, and here the pic for a concept of Two-face in TDK.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o45/Kon-El_02/Ultspidey_103.png


What do you think of the tagline I added to the poster?

[CaptainClown]

I don't particularly care for it sorry

[regwec]

The idea is sound, but it doesn't exactly mean anything. "Eye to eye, face to face" might work better.

[Mr. Socko]

I think that if they wanted to go really subtle, he should wear a gray suit with a tie that's half white, half black. But if they want to go more comic book esque (like they did with Joker's clothes), it should be half black, half white.

http://cinemareference.blogs.allocine.fr/blogsdatas/mdata/4/7/8/Z20050313212430647991874/img/two_face.jpg

Half Black half white FTW! Or as you said, something more subtle, like from The Long Halloween.

I only don't want the two tone suit for two-face because, where would he get it from. Can you honestly imagine Two-face holding a tailor hostage just to get a custom suit.

I don't need an explanation! But Harv probably won't wear a split suit because of the dark gritty realism either way:dew:;)

[The Joker_1000]

Two-Face should always wear a two colored suit.

[Nightwing1977]

I really hope that for Two Face, they imply that Harvey Dent had some pre-existing psychological problems before his face got scarred, like in BTAS. I never bought it how in some versions it's supposed to be the trauma of the scarring that causes him to go insane, because there are plenty of real people with marred faces who don't end up like Two Face. The scars should only be a catalyst that causes Harvey Dent's dark side to surface.

Same here. TAS show how he somewhat has a temper & do some bad things despite being a DA. I hope they explore a little bit of that before he become Two-Face.

And count me in for wanting his suit to look somewhat like the TAS. It easy & simple. The one in Batman Forever was awful. They add too much color & it look too tacky on his left suit part. :down:

[mrsparkle]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/mrsparckle/5050.jpg

a quick mock up of what I'd like to see.

[doctorkenyon]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/mrsparckle/5050.jpg

a quick mock up of what I'd like to see.

Not bad actually, doesn't look quite evil enough though.

[MarkJK1441]

i can't wait to see what to face looks like i think he will prolly look pretty sick

[David Rice]

Alright, I was reading in another thread and people are still talking about the Joker scaring Dent in TDK. I thought that rumor was dismissed, can anyone shead some light on this for me?

[DoctorJones]

It was what was planned in Goyer's treatment. Joker was to scar Dent in part three.

[Compi716]

Two colored suit all the way! It's an element of Two-Face, and has been constant in his character for some time.

[David Rice]

It was what was planned in Goyer's treatment. Joker was to scar Dent in part three.

That's what I thought, but a user was talking about it just the other day in another thread like it was still happening that way.

[The Mighty Wind]

Fanboys like underrated actors. If Eckhart was plastered all over magazines, they wouldn't want him for any roles.

Fanboys moreso like actors who are underexposed because it means that they aren't bringing an established personality to the role. For instance, if Will Smith gets cast as a comic book character, that character is now Will Smith, as opposed to the character. Underexposed actors are more able to inhabit the roles.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Two-Face should always wear a two colored suit.

I've heard the idea that half of the suit is tattered, bloodstained/acid stained. Works for me if it were true.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Alright, I was reading in another thread and people are still talking about the Joker scaring Dent in TDK. I thought that rumor was dismissed, can anyone shead some light on this for me?

Yeah! Eric Roberts mentioned in an interview that Two-Face judged him innocent at the end of TDK. Seems indicative of either Maroni or a lackey of Maroni's. Rossi is the name of a character in the Sides that was testyfing. Famous line: "You want hostile? I'll show you hostile..."

[regwec]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/mrsparckle/5050.jpg

a quick mock up of what I'd like to see.
I like the subtle approach to the two-toned suit, but I suppose that if it is to be featured at all, it could be a lot bolder.

[Mr. Socko]

i can't wait to see what to face looks like i think he will prolly look pretty sick

I hope it's a bit stylized, I'm sure it won't be too gruesome. But I too am very interested in how exactly he'll look. And I have a feeling we won't know until the film comes out.

I like the subtle approach to the two-toned suit, but I suppose that if it is to be featured at all, it could be a lot bolder.

I agree. When I said subtle, I didn't mean that subtle. I didn't even notice it was two different tones the first time I looked at it. The entire point of the split suit is to show the difference between Two Face and Harvey Dent. The Dini black/white design is simple but brilliant as it represents just how Two Face and Harvey are opposites.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2285/longtwofacelm8.jpg

That's about as subtle in different tone/colors as it should possibly get. Any split suit closer in color and more subtle that that is really just missing the point altogether, they shouldn't even include it if it's going to be less than a shade different. The entire meaning becomes lost, the split suit is more than just a "kewl look the fanboys love," it has a symbolic purpose.

[ActuallyRobin]

Chuck Norris is the real reason Harvey Dent became Two Face

also, I can't wait to see how he appears on screen, in a way i hope they have zero revealing pics of Two-Face before release so when it does come out we can all go WOWEEEEEEE!!!!!

[regwec]

Or "ugh, what were they thinking?" ;)

[bkey]

Alright, I was reading in another thread and people are still talking about the Joker scaring Dent in TDK. I thought that rumor was dismissed, can anyone shead some light on this for me?


In the comics, its Maroni who scars Dent, but in the TDK casting sides its a guy named Rossi. However, there was never an announcement of a "Rossi" being cast, which means that Rossi is a code name for another character, or the Rossi casting is being held under wraps for some reason. If it is a code name, then I guess if they stuck with Goyer's idea of having Joker scar Dent then it could still be the Joker.

[Mr. Socko]

Or "ugh, what were they thinking?" ;)


That's how I'm going to go if he bears any resemblance to Fred Kruger or Payton Westlake.

[The Joker_1000]

I've heard the idea that half of the suit is tattered, bloodstained/acid stained. Works for me if it were true.

I wouldn't mind that, it has to be something good & something new. Personally, I want a look that's close to what we got in the 90's animated series.

[Keyser Soze]

I find it interesting that so many have praised Ledger's performance as The Joker, yet Nolan says it is Harvey Dent's arc that is the backbone of the film. Does anyone think there's a possibility that, as excellent as Ledger's performance will most likely be, Eckhart might end up stealing the film from right under his nose?

[David Rice]

Yeah! Eric Roberts mentioned in an interview that Two-Face judged him innocent at the end of TDK. Seems indicative of either Maroni or a lackey of Maroni's. Rossi is the name of a character in the Sides that was testyfing. Famous line: "You want hostile? I'll show you hostile..."

That's what I though.

In the comics, its Maroni who scars Dent, but in the TDK casting sides its a guy named Rossi. However, there was never an announcement of a "Rossi" being cast, which means that Rossi is a code name for another character, or the Rossi casting is being held under wraps for some reason. If it is a code name, then I guess if they stuck with Goyer's idea of having Joker scar Dent then it could still be the Joker.

Yeah, I know about the comics. In "Title for the Third Movie? (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=274114)" thread a user was talking about the Joker scaring Dent and thought that rumor was cleared up with the sides and with the interview with Eric Roberts.

[Bright Knight]

What do you think of the tagline I added to the poster?


I'm sorry, but it was dreadful!

[Mr. Socko]

I find it interesting that so many have praised Ledger's performance as The Joker, yet Nolan says it is Harvey Dent's arc that is the backbone of the film. Does anyone think there's a possibility that, as excellent as Ledger's performance will most likely be, Eckhart might end up stealing the film from right under his nose?


If he were Two Face throughout the entire film, I'd say there's definitely a chance. But he's just DA Harvey Dent for most of the movie, I'd say by default he doesn't have enough material to steal the show unless as Two Face in the last 20/30 minutes he blows everyone away. As a deranged psychopath who dresses as a clown, Heath had far more to work with than the man playing the district attorney of Gotham City.

But it also depends what direction of Dent the Nolan crew decided to take. Great guy as DA who becomes scarred and turns into a monster. Or a man with hidden problems whose monster is fully unleashed once he's scarred. That could make a huge difference.

[Van Petrol]

I can't see them going with the Joker as the one who scars Dent. In doing so not only to they alter the mythos from the comics, but it would then make the Joker Dent's prime target for revenge. And I can't see that, what with the rumour going around that the Joker's appearance in the third movie (if at all) is to be cameo-like.

I could be wrong though...

[Keyser Soze]

If he were Two Face throughout the entire film, I'd say there's definitely a chance. But he's just DA Harvey Dent for most of the movie, I'd say by default he doesn't have enough material to steal the show unless as Two Face in the last 20/30 minutes he blows everyone away. As a deranged psychopath who dresses as a clown, Heath had far more to work with than the man playing the district attorney of Gotham City.

But it also depends what direction of Dent the Nolan crew decided to take. Great guy as DA who becomes scarred and turns into a monster. Or a man with hidden problems whose monster is fully unleashed once he's scarred. That could make a huge difference.

I'm hoping for the latter. Or perhaps a combination of the two, with a great guy who slowly falls apart under the pressure of trying to protect Gotham, with the scarring finally pushing him over the edge and creating a monster.

What got me thinking about the potential for Aaron Eckhart to be a show-stealer, is that in a lot of ways, Harvey Dent is the most "Nolanesque" character in the Batman mythos. Depending on how much screen-time he gets, I think Nolan could do some really interesting stuff with him, psychologically.

[regwec]

Harvey Dent is the most "Nolanesque" character in the Batman mythos.
I would like to see how Chris et al would adapt the utterly, blackly depressing characters of Norm Breyfogle's era; like Tallyman and Stirk.

[The Joker_1000]

I can't see them going with the Joker as the one who scars Dent. In doing so not only to they alter the mythos from the comics, but it would then make the Joker Dent's prime target for revenge. And I can't see that, what with the rumour going around that the Joker's appearance in the third movie (if at all) is to be cameo-like.

I could be wrong though...

I think that the Joker should be in the third movie but as far as villains go the movie should be based on Two-Face more than the Joker. If the Joker only has a cameo, then Two-Face should be the only villain for the third movie, he needs his own movie.

[The Battousai]

I'm going to change the tie and shirt a little, but this is something I've been working on in Paint:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w160/backtothefront88/twofaceacecomplete.jpg

[Nightwing1977]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i234/mrsparckle/5050.jpg

a quick mock up of what I'd like to see.

Damn! That scar burn look pretty nasty & disgusting. I think that would be a great look. I really wish whoever saw a little app. of him at Wizard World Chicago can tell us which of the manip is close to how he look in TDK.

doesn't look quite evil enough though.

That because he's smiling. ;) He should has the blank look on his normal face with the exposed teeth on the other face.

[Vengeance of Bane]

What is Harvey Dent doing in Hong Kong?

http://cache3.gettyimages.com/xc/77726080.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193A242DD909DF1BD4BDE7B41F75ACBDC41 A55A1E4F32AD3138

http://cache3.gettyimages.com/xc/77726140.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193A242DD909DF1BD4B9C54881EE59E7644 A55A1E4F32AD3138

[Keyser Soze]

What is Harvey Dent doing in Hong Kong?

http://cache3.gettyimages.com/xc/77726080.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193A242DD909DF1BD4BDE7B41F75ACBDC41 A55A1E4F32AD3138

http://cache3.gettyimages.com/xc/77726140.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193A242DD909DF1BD4B9C54881EE59E7644 A55A1E4F32AD3138

Interesting. Perhaps we should be asking "What is Harvey Dent doing fighting someone in Hong Kong?"

Is that really Harvey Dent though? If it is, that would have to be Aaron Eckhart's stunt double.

[turtlefocker]

Doesn't he go to hong kong to get Lou?

[bkey]

What is Harvey Dent doing in Hong Kong?

http://cache3.gettyimages.com/xc/77726080.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193A242DD909DF1BD4BDE7B41F75ACBDC41 A55A1E4F32AD3138

http://cache3.gettyimages.com/xc/77726140.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193A242DD909DF1BD4B9C54881EE59E7644 A55A1E4F32AD3138


Where are those pics from? Are you sure thats The Dark Knight? Eckhart wasn't involved in the HK shoot. The only principles were Bale and Freeman.


And no, its Bruce who goes to get Lau.

[Nightwing1977]

Aaron's hair doesn't look like that when he did TDK. I'm not talking about his hair color. Just how it look. If you ask me, I think that might be Anthony Michael Hall. It look very much how his hair resemble.

[Vengeance of Bane]

Allow me to apologies guys. The pictures were posted in the official pictures thread, but after further research I've found out that it's actually the filming for the movie "Largo Winch".

[bkey]

Yeah haha its cool.

I was thinking theres no way that was TDK

[The Joker_1000]

Has it been officially confirme if we'll see Two-Face in the movie or is he just being set-up for the third Batman movie?

[LostSon88]

You WILL see Two-Face in the movie, in all his scarred glory.

There is actually is a pretty big scene in the movie where Harvey Two-Face reveals himself at a bar...

[Ama Zing]

You WILL see Two-Face in the movie, in all his scarred glory.

There is actually is a pretty big scene in the movie where Harvey Two-Face reveals himself at a bar...
I'm super hoping that it's actually one of the last scenes. More dramatic that way.

[Beanjuice]

i was watching the trailer again, right after Alfred sys"you can face the choice no one else will make." theres and explosion,followed by what looks ot be a guy being throw back by the blast. do you think maybe this is how Harvey gets scarred?

[Ama Zing]

i was watching the trailer again, right after Alfred sys"you can face the choice no one else will make." theres and explosion,followed by what looks ot be a guy being throw back by the blast. do you think maybe this is how Harvey gets scarred?
Nope, it's Maroni with the acid in the courtroom.

[Bnightwing]

Witch side of his face is it that he gets scared?

[Van Petrol]

Witch side of his face is it that he gets scared?

His left side.

[SalaciousVC]

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x135/symbiote24/popppop.png

Two-Face Manip I did awhile back

[The Joker_1000]

Pretty good manip.

[StylishHokie21]

no offense but um....proof?

It's been confirmed by Nolan. He makes a cameo at the end. At least I think it's been confirmed.

[Solidus]

It's been confirmed by Nolan. He makes a cameo at the end. At least I think it's been confirmed.

I'll back ya up on this one.

Not only that, but the Wizard Con footage shown in August in Chicago, at the end of the footage it had Dent at a bar spinning around a coin. And the bartender goes:

Bartender: Harvey Dent? I thought you were dead?

Two-Face: Only half......

Then it has Dent half of him covered in shadow.

Not only that but the Eric Roberts interview when Maroni gets a visit from Two-Face in his limo.

So yea Two-Face is in TDK at the end.

[StylishHokie21]

I'll back ya up on this one.

Not only that, but the Wizard Con footage shown in August in Chicago, at the end of the footage it had Dent at a bar spinning around a coin. And the bartender goes:

Bartender: Harvey Dent? I thought you were dead?

Two-Face: Only half......

Then it has Dent half of him covered in shadow.

Not only that but the Eric Roberts interview when Maroni gets a visit from Two-Face in his limo.

So yea Two-Face is in TDK at the end.

Ah..thanks. I thought I had read that somewhere.

[Solidus]

Ah..thanks. I thought I had read that somewhere.

NP bud. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

I believe it's more than just a cameo.

Haven't reports indicated he become Two Face within the last 20-30 minutes? I believe he will have a handful of scenes as Two Face. And as Nolan has said, he wants it to be stand alone.

[MarkJK1441]

Nope, it's Maroni with the acid in the courtroom.
COL. Mustar with the pipe in the ballroom

[dark_knight08]

So does Two-Face have two scenes in The Dark Knight?

1. The one at Wizard Con where it had Harvey Dent at a bar spinning around a coin. And the bartender goes:
Bartender: Harvey Dent? I thought you were dead?
Two-Face: Only half......

2. Where Salvatore Maroni gets in his limousine where Two-Face is already inside flips a coin and Two-Face says: "It's your lucky day." referring to the driver but then says to Salvatore Maroni: "But it's not yours."
Then Two-Face pulls out a gun and BLAM!

[Nepenthes]

^ they are the two that we know of so far, yes

[David Rice]

So does Two-Face have two scenes in The Dark Knight?

1. The one at Wizard Con where it had Harvey Dent at a bar spinning around a coin. And the bartender goes:
Bartender: Harvey Dent? I thought you were dead?
Two-Face: Only half......

2. Where Salvatore Maroni gets in his limousine where Two-Face is already inside flips a coin and Two-Face says: "It's your lucky day." referring to the driver but then says to Salvatore Maroni: "But it's not yours."
Then Two-Face pulls out a gun and BLAM!

Both.

[Mladen]

1. The one at Wizard Con where it had Harvey Dent at a bar spinning around a coin. And the bartender goes:
Bartender: Harvey Dent? I thought you were dead?
Two-Face: Only half......


was that footage ever leaked?

[Orb]

was that footage ever leaked?

Bope. It was impossible to record it.

[bkey]

Nope, it's Maroni with the acid in the courtroom.


Its not Maroni. "Rossi" is the one who scars Dent with acid in the courtroom.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

So does Two-Face have two scenes in The Dark Knight?

1. The one at Wizard Con where it had Harvey Dent at a bar spinning around a coin. And the bartender goes:
Bartender: Harvey Dent? I thought you were dead?
Two-Face: Only half......

2. Where Salvatore Maroni gets in his limousine where Two-Face is already inside flips a coin and Two-Face says: "It's your lucky day." referring to the driver but then says to Salvatore Maroni: "But it's not yours."
Then Two-Face pulls out a gun and BLAM!
Im SO excited to see this, I cant wait to see how Two-Face is portrayed in TDK.

[cerealkiller182]

thats a pretty good line with the bartender

[sean61675]

I agree.

That is nasty! Are there more shots on line of this (behind the scenes, etc)?

[Juggernaut33]

2. Where Salvatore Maroni gets in his limousine where Two-Face is already inside flips a coin and Two-Face says: "It's your lucky day." referring to the driver but then says to Salvatore Maroni: "But it's not yours."
Then Two-Face pulls out a gun and BLAM!

Actually, Two-Face says "it's your lucky day" to Maroni and "but not yours" to the driver.

[The Joker_1000]

I'm psyched to see Two-Face but more than likely the Joker is going to steal the show for me.

[OctaviusINC]

So does Two-Face have two scenes in The Dark Knight?

1. The one at Wizard Con where it had Harvey Dent at a bar spinning around a coin. And the bartender goes:
Bartender: Harvey Dent? I thought you were dead?
Two-Face: Only half......

2. Where Salvatore Maroni gets in his limousine where Two-Face is already inside flips a coin and Two-Face says: "It's your lucky day." referring to the driver but then says to Salvatore Maroni: "But it's not yours."
Then Two-Face pulls out a gun and BLAM!

Just want to clear something up: I was at WW and seen the footage and Harvey was not spinning around his coin. It was just a close shot peering down at the bartender and you seen about half of the back of Harvey's head and neck. And you could see he had some redish scabby scarring on his neck.

I remember everyone in the audience was silent at this part and when the Bartender said "Harvey" that's when we recognized what we seen immediately. Not to mention Eckhart covered half his face when he walked out for the Q and A.

And BTW, how was #2 leaked? An article or something? Cuz it's not in the WW footage also.

[The Joker_1000]

Aaron has said many times that Two-Face appears in this movie but Nolan continues to deny it. I think that Nolan mine as well tell us if Two-Face is being in the movie, especially if he is. If Nolan didn't want anyone to know until the movie is released, then Aaron messed it all up.

[CaptainClown]

Well it was really obvious that two-face was going to be in the movie, I just think Nolan is a guy who doesn't like spoiling it ya know?

There were reports of Aaron wearing a hood to hide his face on the set, if that isn't a hint I don't know what is

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, when Aaron kept saying we were going to get Two-Face, I knew it was true. I can't wait to see what he looks like, though.

[CaptainClown]

Also most batfans know Harvey Dent = Two-face. Unless it was another crappy SM Dr. Conners cameo

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, I think we'll be getting something much better than that. And considering how much more serious this franchise will be than the last one, we'll be getting the best Two-Face in the Batman movies yet.

[CaptainClown]

Oh ya and since its based on TLH, he would just about have to be two-face

[The Joker_1000]

All we'll probably get is a scene or two of him as Two-Face but everyone can best their asses the third movie's attention will be on Two-Face.

[Nightwing1977]

Allow me to apologies guys. The pictures were posted in the official pictures thread, but after further research I've found out that it's actually the filming for the movie "Largo Winch".

No problem. Thanks for pointing out what it was. :)

[JaD]

I believe it's more than just a cameo.

Haven't reports indicated he become Two Face within the last 20-30 minutes? I believe he will have a handful of scenes as Two Face. And as Nolan has said, he wants it to be stand alone.

i hope its more than a cameo

[JaD]

if u watch this clip from the today show a lil past the halfway mark after aaron eckhart talks about twoface u can see that batman is talking to dent. but theres totally something going on with dent as they only show the back of his head and hes talking at a weird angle, i guess thats something of a teaser of two face

EVYb7Ki0mo8

[regwec]

^^
A good find- it might well be a bit of dramatic foreshadowing. The scene looks like it might occur in GCPD HQ.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Bales head in the cowl looks awful at the end of that video.

[MarkJK1441]

ughhnnnn i just wanna see two facceeeeeee

[The Joker_1000]

I'd rather we see him in the third movie so it's not like we have a bunch of villains crammed into this movie.

[DIRECTOR]

is Two Face in the film suppose to be a surprise??????????

[The Battousai]

is Two Face in the film suppose to be a surprise??????????

To non-fans, yes

[CaptainClown]

Ya, it is really really obvious that he is going to be two-face. I think the surprise is revealing him.

[HUMANIMAL]

http://img1.getpic.info/MDkwMjA4/b7af77726080mv4.jpg
http://img1.getpic.info/MDkwMjA4/249f77726140he8.jpg
just saw them on a german batman fansite don't know if they are old......it says its from filming in hongkong

[MiniBond]

if u watch this clip from the today show a lil past the halfway mark after aaron eckhart talks about twoface u can see that batman is talking to dent. but theres totally something going on with dent as they only show the back of his head and hes talking at a weird angle, i guess thats something of a teaser of two face

EVYb7Ki0mo8
oooh I see your point...but I'm not sure it's Eckhart...I thought it was Nolan watching the scene !:cwink: :woot: :huh:

[The Battousai]

http://img1.getpic.info/MDkwMjA4/b7af77726080mv4.jpg
http://img1.getpic.info/MDkwMjA4/249f77726140he8.jpg
just saw them on a german batman fansite don't know if they are old......it says its from filming in hongkong

Sources say that's a different movie

[bkey]

http://img1.getpic.info/MDkwMjA4/b7af77726080mv4.jpg
http://img1.getpic.info/MDkwMjA4/249f77726140he8.jpg
just saw them on a german batman fansite don't know if they are old......it says its from filming in hongkong


Those aren't from TDK. Eckhart didn't film any scenes in HK.

[The Joker_1000]

I was rewatching the episodes of "Batman: The Animated Series" where Two-Face first appears & I think that for the movie this incarnation really needs to be similar to the version from the cartoon. He should have another personality that we should see throughout the movie whenever he gets made until he fully becomes Two-Face. As for the look, I'd actually like to see blue skin for Two-Face although it's probably a given that he'll have reddish/pinkish skin but that works too.

[StylishHokie21]

I liked the direction they went with Batman TAS.

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, Two-Face was pretty badass & those episodes were really serious. If they go with something similar to that, I'll be really happy.

[That'ssuper!]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4202/aaroneckhart2gb3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
A manip from awhile ago.

I want Dent to have a suit which is multicolored because the acid spills down his chest and burns pretty much his whole left side of his body.

[The Joker_1000]

No offense but I don't want the final product to look anything like that. I want something that resembles TAS which had blue disfigured skin & a black & white suit.

[The Battousai]

No offense but I don't want the final product to look anything like that. I want something that resembles TAS which had blue disfigured skin & a black & white suit.

Why would you want his skin to be a color that makes no sense? It's fine for the cartoon, but turning blue is not exactly what your skin does when it comes in contact with acid...

[Bnightwing]

I agree with the joker 1000 and Battousai it dosent need to be blue but yet the suit would look cool ,but I don't think it should be cleanly down the middle , dose that make sense?

[The Battousai]

I agree with the joker 1000 and Battousai it dosent need to be blue but yet the suit would look cool ,but I don't think it should be cleanly down the middle , dose that make sense?

I like the "torn, ripped, or burned" on one side idea - at least for his appearance in this movie :cwink:

[Bnightwing]

Yea same here but I mean his face dont make it like a perfect line down his face ya know?

[The Battousai]

Yea same here but I mean his face dont make it like a perfect line down his face ya know?

It'll be a "splashed" look, I'm sure - enough to say half of his face is gone, but not clean in that sense

[Bnightwing]

Yea and same with someone said a while back one side needs to show teeth and the other side is blank

[CaptainClown]

I am too lazy to type this all out but there is going to be a type of two toned suit but not that two color suit. I mean seriously is two-face going to go to a tailor and demand a two colored suit?

[Bnightwing]

Haha good point captain clown

[Mr. Socko]

No offense but I don't want the final product to look anything like that. I want something that resembles TAS which had blue disfigured skin & a black & white suit.


Blue? Eww, I don't know, that would look extremely tacky.

The only color I'd want to see it is reddish, without looking too disgusting. Or possibly even green like Alex Ross's Two Face. The black & white suit is terrific symbolism but I doubt we'll see it in the film. None of the villains here dress just like they do in the comics so I wouldn't expect Two Face to do so all of a sudden:o

[CaptainClown]

shut up socko

[GoogleMe94]

i have a feeling, since nolan is going for a less cartoony feel in his movies, that twoface wont have just one particular color, like Jones had or BTAS face had, but will be alot of different "real" colors. i just hope its not TOO gruesome, ala Penguin.

[CaptainClown]

wait what are you talking about? His face?

[Swordmaster]

None of the villains here dress just like they do in the comics so I wouldn't expect Two Face to do so all of a sudden:o

Joker's appearance, clothing wise, seems to be accurate to the comics. Purple overcoat, vest, etc.

[Mr. Socko]

shut up socko


hahaha, you've got me Captain:oldrazz:

Joker's appearance, clothing wise, seems to be accurate to the comics. Purple overcoat, vest, etc.

Yes, he does dress like his comic counterpart, but not just like him. Ironically, besides the socks, he's more muted and dirty than colorful.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6753/pjaz0.png http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5039/twojokersclosewp8.jpg

Al Ghul and Scarecrow dress more, for lack of a better word, 'realistic' as well. So if Two Face does have a split suit, I'd expect to see one in a different style than the comics. For the longest there's been talk of one side of Face's suit looking normal and the other side being ripped and scarred, that seems likely.

[CaptainClown]

from the sounds of it one side is going to be all burnt n frayed and just scruffy with flesh n crap on it and the others going to be all nice and neat

[Mr. Socko]

i have a feeling, since nolan is going for a less cartoony feel in his movies, that twoface wont have just one particular color, like Jones had or BTAS face had, but will be alot of different "real" colors. i just hope its not TOO gruesome, ala Penguin.

I will maintain the belief that Two Face's scarred half will be stylized, just in a pink/reddish color. I just don't think he'll make him look like a real burn victim like the realismists are sayings. There's no way it'll look like Darkman.

http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/features/images/BruckElseW/13TwoFace1TN.jpg

I don't even think it'll look that gruesome, but something similar with a reddish/pink color.

[Bnightwing]

This is a tad off topic but I think one eye should be red or something not just a normal eye

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

The eye on his scarred side should be either filmy white or red and pulsating.

[Nightwing1977]

Why would you want his skin to be a color that makes no sense? It's fine for the cartoon, but turning blue is not exactly what your skin does when it comes in contact with acid...

I agree. It should look like how real skins look when being burned with acids. It should look something like Mel Gibson's "The Man without a Face". But a little more gruesome. I heard some who saw a brief app. of him on the Wizard World Chicago clip, that his face is somewhat burned red with some veins showing.

[The Joker_1000]

hahaha, you've got me Captain:oldrazz:



Yes, he does dress like his comic counterpart, but not just like him. Ironically, besides the socks, he's more muted and dirty than colorful.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6753/pjaz0.png http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5039/twojokersclosewp8.jpg

Al Ghul and Scarecrow dress more, for lack of a better word, 'realistic' as well. So if Two Face does have a split suit, I'd expect to see one in a different style than the comics. For the longest there's been talk of one side of Face's suit looking normal and the other side being ripped and scarred, that seems likely.


I'd prefer for Two-Face to have a black & white suit like in TAS but if it's ripped & scarred that's cool too. As for the Joker, I like the fact that he looks much more gritty & dirty than colorful. Too much color is bad for anything, especially in a live action movie.

[GoogleMe94]

look, just like joker haveing a purple suit, white face and a red smile and green hair is a major part of the character (even if its just dyed and painted in this one...), haveing the scarred face and 2 piece suit is a major part of the 2 face character. you NEED them. if nolan doesnt do this, yes we will all be upset. but for some reason, i doubt they will make his suit the "white and black" version but BTAS, too cartoony looking.

also, what gives? why havent we seen any twoface stuff yet? wtf? is he even gonna be in the movie? they havent really said an ything about his character at all.

[Muziko]

^
"It's all part of the plan"

[Tron5000]

We've already gotten lots of Joker stuff, so I'm sure they want to keep Two-Face under wraps as much as possible. Personally, I don't want to see him until his reveal in the film. I'd like to be surprised...so I can jump on here as soon as I get home and rave/bi*** about it. :woot:

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

^
"It's all part of the plan"

Yup, Yup

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I agree with most, lets wait til the film to actually see Two-Face, im betting thats what Nolan wants to do anyways.

[CaptainClown]

Ok, how I would want the movie to end.

Alright then lets assume that Harvey after the scaring went into hiding so the mob wouldn't find him. His only outside contact would be Rachel Dawes who has a romantic relationship with Harvey. Rachel is worried about Harv, so she asks Gordon and a few cops she trusts to find him. Unfortunately we know how great Gotham PD is and it leaks to the mob who wants to finish the job with Harvey. Harvey is mentally hanging on by a thread in solitude when some hitman try to do him in. Naturally Harvey gets the jump on them first and kills them. That is when he finally splits and his alter ego Two-face takes hold. He knows that Rachel must have told somebody and goes to confront her.

INT- Rachel's Apartment - night
Rachel's room is neat and quite simple, rain is heard beating against the window outside. Her room is dark with the light from the outside illuminating her room. Keys are heard unlocking the door and Rachel enters her room. She is tired and soaked, and turns on the light. She is startled as she sees a wounded Harvey sitting in a corner of her room flipping a coin. A small table sits besides him and a small revolver and phone upon it.

Rachel - Harvey what happened?!

Rachel goes to Harvey's side to aid him

Harvey - Don't touch me!

Rachel - Why? Whats wrong?

Harvey - Cut the bull****, I know you work for Maroni.

Rachel - Harvey what are you talking about?

Harvey - His hitmen came for me, they knew where I was. Care to explain?

Rachel - Harvey I have no idea how they knew where you were!

Harvey - YOU'RE A LIAR!

Harvey pounds the table with his fist.

Harvey - I never figured Maroni would have had you under his thumb! How long? The whole time?!

Rachel stares at him

Rachel - Harvey you know me, you know I didn't do anything like that. Do you honestly think I would hurt you?! Do you think I am just another corrupted citizen in a broken city?!

Harvey glares at her. He flips his coin and places it on the table with his hand covering it.

Harvey - We shall have fate decide..

Rachel - Harvey stop this! You are not thinking with reason! I know you care for me and would never harm me or anyone. You love this city, I believe in you Harvey.

Harvey stares at her reflecting on what she just said. He takes a deep breath then in one fell swoop he grabs his gun and shoots Rachel. He looks at his coin which is a scarred head. He heads for the door turning off the lights. His silhouette is seen caused by the lights of the hallway. He looks back.

Harvey - I believed in Harvey Dent too.

Harvey slams the door CUT TO: credits or whatever

[Luchastyle]

hmm. it's pretty sweet. i kinda like how he killed her without even looking at the coin. the coin DID agree, but for a minute, he was all two-face. some of the dialogue could use some tweaking, but the conversation itself is good. and of course, the "i believed in harvey dent" is brilliant and i really hope he says it.

so it's pretty cool. it won't happen. but i like it. i always wanted the rachel character to die, as it will really make things personal for batman.

so, i like it. i don't think this will happen. but it's a cool ending.

[Noir]

Thats ****in' mazin.

[CaptainClown]

Oh good Noir found it, I was just going to link it to him. Ya, I spent a good 10 minutes on it... I want people to at least read it haha.

[Luchastyle]

of course. i'll always give you a straight opinion on your stuff. that what luchastyle's here for.

[JaD]

i like that too, but ha i think thats too much of a cliffhanger ending, too matrix: reloaded-ish, or dead man's chest-ish

it should end with harvey checking his watch after killing her and saying "damn! i gotta pick up my suit from the tailor!"

[Luchastyle]

well i think what would work better is one final gordon/batman rooftop scene after that. a fade-out/fade-in. i like the idea of all the movies ending on the rooftop. it's iconic.

[Ryudoz]

Commented in the other thread, but I'm a fan of this. I think it can work into a full reveal, say Harvey's scarred half is shrouded in shadows until he actually says, "I believed in Harvey Dent Too".

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Nice dialogue Captain. :up:

I thought it was confirmed that Batman let Two-Face escape near the end?

[CaptainClown]

To be honest I have no idea and that was just speculation of a scene in which we have two tragedies, the last fall of Harvey dent and the loss of Rachel.

Who knows how the actual movie will play out

[ronny]

I'd really like them to give subtle hints that this man was slightly unhinged before his accident. In The Long Halloween I found it a little disconcerting that he would spend hours alone in a filthy cellar. But it wasn't overdone. I think the same would work well in this film.

[Rockadood]

I don't think we will see a black and white or two-tone suit. It just wouldn't fit with the mood of these movies. Shame really, because I've always loved the black and white one.

I was looking at a picture of the Tommy Lee Jones suit (don't laugh!) and as awful as that suit is, it got me thinking;

Maybe Two-Face would deface the suit himself, either by tearing half of it, spraying it, burning it or chucking paint over half of it after he loses his mind.

Any thoughts?

[The Joker_1000]

I'd prefer for it to be scarred or something from the accident instead of him doing it himself. If not that, I still want that black & white suit, it looks too badass not to use. Either way, I just can't wait to see Two-Face on the big screen once again & the fact that he's going to be portrayed seriously this time makes this actually worth waiting for.

[Rockadood]

Oh yeah, acid burn from the attack. I like that :hoboj:.

That could give a nice bleached out effect as well as distressing the fabric of the suit.

I'd love to see the black and white suit too, but I don't think we will. The costume artist (keep forgetting her name) is really good though, so I'm sure we'll be in for a treat.

[MarkJK1441]

I'd prefer for it to be scarred or something from the accident instead of him doing it himself. If not that, I still want that black & white suit, it looks too badass not to use. Either way, I just can't wait to see Two-Face on the big screen once again & the fact that he's going to be portrayed seriously this time makes this actually worth waiting for.

I don't like the idea of him wearing a suit that is ripped and messed up on one side. I understand the idea but i just love the black and whit suit too much.

[The Joker_1000]

My sentiments exactly. I was just saying it might be cool to see but ultimately, the black & white suit is what is best (in my opinion).

[Mr. Socko]

I don't think we will see a black and white or two-tone suit. It just wouldn't fit with the mood of these movies. Shame really, because I've always loved the black and white one.

I was looking at a picture of the Tommy Lee Jones suit (don't laugh!) and as awful as that suit is, it got me thinking;

Maybe Two-Face would deface the suit himself, either by tearing half of it, spraying it, burning it or chucking paint over half of it after he loses his mind.

Any thoughts?


I don't believe it's been explained how he gets his suits in the comics, and quite frankly, I don't give a damn.

But that's just me, Unnecessary explanations are not needed.

[The Joker_1000]

It doesn't need to be explained how he gets the suit but I would like to see him with a fresh, good looking suit.

Btw, does anyone think that Two-Face should be pretty strong in the movies like in TAS? He seemed to have a lot of strength, especially when his personality would switch to "Big Bad Harv".

[RonStoppablefan]

So Two-Face will be in the film along with the Joker? That's freakin sweet. I'm with some of you in saying Harvey Dent should get along great with Bat-Man creates more drama bum, bum, bum.

[regwec]

does anyone think that Two-Face should be pretty strong in the movies like in TAS? He seemed to have a lot of strength, especially when his personality would switch to "Big Bad Harv".

Dent is generally seen as a physically powerful man- that was why Jim Gordon suspected he was Batman in "Year One".

[The Joker_1000]

However, he's never had training, has he? Is he really physically powerful because of his evil side?

[Indrid Cold]

To be honest I have no idea and that was just speculation of a scene in which we have two tragedies, the last fall of Harvey dent and the loss of Rachel.

Who knows how the actual movie will play out

I think it will be a shock to everyone how Harvey Dent orientated this film will be. All the press on the Joker in the media is simply just to blindside film goers in July. A briliant marketing strategy indeed.

[Dark Sentinel]

Ok, how I would want the movie to end.

Alright then lets assume that Harvey after the scaring went into hiding so the mob wouldn't find him. His only outside contact would be Rachel Dawes who has a romantic relationship with Harvey. Rachel is worried about Harv, so she asks Gordon and a few cops she trusts to find him. Unfortunately we know how great Gotham PD is and it leaks to the mob who wants to finish the job with Harvey. Harvey is mentally hanging on by a thread in solitude when some hitman try to do him in. Naturally Harvey gets the jump on them first and kills them. That is when he finally splits and his alter ego Two-face takes hold. He knows that Rachel must have told somebody and goes to confront her.

INT- Rachel's Apartment - night
Rachel's room is neat and quite simple, rain is heard beating against the window outside. Her room is dark with the light from the outside illuminating her room. Keys are heard unlocking the door and Rachel enters her room. She is tired and soaked, and turns on the light. She is startled as she sees a wounded Harvey sitting in a corner of her room flipping a coin. A small table sits besides him and a small revolver and phone upon it.

Rachel - Harvey what happened?!

Rachel goes to Harvey's side to aid him

Harvey - Don't touch me!

Rachel - Why? Whats wrong?

Harvey - Cut the bull****, I know you work for Maroni.

Rachel - Harvey what are you talking about?

Harvey - His hitmen came for me, they knew where I was. Care to explain?

Rachel - Harvey I have no idea how they knew where you were!

Harvey - YOU'RE A LIAR!

Harvey pounds the table with his fist.

Harvey - I never figured Maroni would have had you under his thumb! How long? The whole time?!

Rachel stares at him

Rachel - Harvey you know me, you know I didn't do anything like that. Do you honestly think I would hurt you?! Do you think I am just another corrupted citizen in a broken city?!

Harvey glares at her. He flips his coin and places it on the table with his hand covering it.

Harvey - We shall have fate decide..

Rachel - Harvey stop this! You are not thinking with reason! I know you care for me and would never harm me or anyone. You love this city, I believe in you Harvey.

Harvey stares at her reflecting on what she just said. He takes a deep breath then in one fell swoop he grabs his gun and shoots Rachel. He looks at his coin which is a scarred head. He heads for the door turning off the lights. His silhouette is seen caused by the lights of the hallway. He looks back.

Harvey - I believed in Harvey Dent too.

Harvey slams the door CUT TO: credits or whatever

dude...frickin AWESOME!!! :hoboj:
i especially like the last line

[mackblack01]

Ok, how I would want the movie to end.

Alright then lets assume that Harvey after the scaring went into hiding so the mob wouldn't find him. His only outside contact would be Rachel Dawes who has a romantic relationship with Harvey. Rachel is worried about Harv, so she asks Gordon and a few cops she trusts to find him. Unfortunately we know how great Gotham PD is and it leaks to the mob who wants to finish the job with Harvey. Harvey is mentally hanging on by a thread in solitude when some hitman try to do him in. Naturally Harvey gets the jump on them first and kills them. That is when he finally splits and his alter ego Two-face takes hold. He knows that Rachel must have told somebody and goes to confront her.

INT- Rachel's Apartment - night
Rachel's room is neat and quite simple, rain is heard beating against the window outside. Her room is dark with the light from the outside illuminating her room. Keys are heard unlocking the door and Rachel enters her room. She is tired and soaked, and turns on the light. She is startled as she sees a wounded Harvey sitting in a corner of her room flipping a coin. A small table sits besides him and a small revolver and phone upon it.

Rachel - Harvey what happened?!

Rachel goes to Harvey's side to aid him

Harvey - Don't touch me!

Rachel - Why? Whats wrong?

Harvey - Cut the bull****, I know you work for Maroni.

Rachel - Harvey what are you talking about?

Harvey - His hitmen came for me, they knew where I was. Care to explain?

Rachel - Harvey I have no idea how they knew where you were!

Harvey - YOU'RE A LIAR!

Harvey pounds the table with his fist.

Harvey - I never figured Maroni would have had you under his thumb! How long? The whole time?!

Rachel stares at him

Rachel - Harvey you know me, you know I didn't do anything like that. Do you honestly think I would hurt you?! Do you think I am just another corrupted citizen in a broken city?!

Harvey glares at her. He flips his coin and places it on the table with his hand covering it.

Harvey - We shall have fate decide..

Rachel - Harvey stop this! You are not thinking with reason! I know you care for me and would never harm me or anyone. You love this city, I believe in you Harvey.

Harvey stares at her reflecting on what she just said. He takes a deep breath then in one fell swoop he grabs his gun and shoots Rachel. He looks at his coin which is a scarred head. He heads for the door turning off the lights. His silhouette is seen caused by the lights of the hallway. He looks back.

Harvey - I believed in Harvey Dent too.

Harvey slams the door CUT TO: credits or whatever
A lot of drama in this...I-like-that:hoboj: !

[The Joker_1000]

I think it will be a shock to everyone how Harvey Dent orientated this film will be. All the press on the Joker in the media is simply just to blindside film goers in July. A briliant marketing strategy indeed.

I think that this movie will be mostly Batman-Joker oriented but I'm sure Harvey Dent will play a major role in the film as well.

[bkey]

I think that this movie will be mostly Batman-Joker oriented but I'm sure Harvey Dent will play a major role in the film as well.

Well Nolan has said that he is the backbone of the film, so I would say his role will be very important.

[The Joker_1000]

Well Nolan has said that he is the backbone of the film, so I would say his role will be very important.


Either way it goes we probably won't even get to see Two-Face until the third Batman movie.

[The Battousai]

Either way it goes we probably won't even get to see Two-Face until the third Batman movie.

:nono: Wrong - we see him in this one. Why would Eckhart wear his Two-Face make-up if it weren't shown?

[The Joker_1000]

I mean we probably don't see him a lot in the movie. I didn't actually mean we won't see him at all.

[MarkJK1441]

wow i hope i am not right on this i am prolly just thinking bout it cuz i am kinda drunk but what if two face in the movie is called Harvey "Two-Face" Dent that would be so awful

[Greatwun]

wow i hope i am not right on this i am prolly just thinking bout it cuz i am kinda drunk but what if two face in the movie is called Harvey "Two-Face" Dent that would be so awful

lol. Maybe the city Mob bosses give him that name?:hehe:

[The Joker_1000]

I don't mind that name but he will more than likely be given that name when he's talked about on the news.

[Juggernaut33]

I mean we probably don't see him a lot in the movie. I didn't actually mean we won't see him at all.

Well, we'll see him going out for revenge. We know for sure that he has a couple of scenes. I think Two-Face is gonna play a huge part in TDK. After all, HD is scared halfway through the film. I do believe that Two-Face is just a natural evolution of the character. If HD is the backbone of the story, then Two-Face is gonna be the climax. Trust me. Nolan isn't putting him in this film just to make a nod to the fans. He is going to play a very important part. He is not saving him for a third film. Nolan always says that he isn't thinking in terms of sequels. He wants to do the most complete film as possible.

[Kakihara]

Well, we'll see him going out for revenge. We know for sure that he has a couple of scenes. I think Two-Face is gonna play a huge part in TDK. After all, HD is scared halfway through the film. I do believe that Two-Face is just a natural evolution of the character. If HD is the backbone of the story, then Two-Face is gonna be the climax. Trust me. Nolan isn't putting him in this film just to make a nod to the fans. He is going to play a very important part. He is not saving him for a third film. Nolan always says that he isn't thinking in terms of sequels. He wants to do the most complete film as possible.

Scarred halway through the film? I haven't heard that anywhere. I thought it was the very last reveal of the film, and setup to the third one, ala the Joker card in Begins. But who knows, I think the novelization has been intercepted, maybe you can look it up.

[Bruce Jordan]

Scarred halway through the film? I haven't heard that anywhere. I thought it was the very last reveal of the film, and setup to the third one, ala the Joker card in Begins. But who knows, I think the novelization has been intercepted, maybe you can look it up.


I think he means he will be scarred halfway through the film, and will disappear for a while, then Two-Face will be revealed at the end, again, (as worn out as this comparison is), like the Joker card in Begins. Nolan may never think in terms of sequels, but that doesn't mean he doesn't leave any possibility at all that there will be a sequel. I think he knew damn well he would be making a sequel to Begins as soon as he saw the fan reactions.

[Citadel30]

I am telling ya-

the two barges with explosives on them and Batman having to make a choice which one to save is a definitive Two-Face scenario. Two-Face IS going to play a major part in the climax of this movie.

[TLH]

I think he means he will be scarred halfway through the film, and will disappear for a while, then Two-Face will be revealed at the end, again, (as worn out as this comparison is), like the Joker card in Begins. Nolan may never think in terms of sequels, but that doesn't mean he doesn't leave any possibility at all that there will be a sequel. I think he knew damn well he would be making a sequel to Begins as soon as he saw the fan reactions.

Based on the fact that the fan reactions came after the film was made, and the film contained the cliff-hanger with the Joker card being revealed, I think it's safe to say that he knew he was most likely going to be making a sequel before the film hit theaters. Fan reactions only confirmed it/sealed the deal.

[Citadel30]

Based on the fact that the fan reactions came after the film was made, and the film contained the cliff-hanger with the Joker card being revealed, I think it's safe to say that he knew he was most likely going to be making a sequel before the film hit theaters. Fan reactions only confirmed it/sealed the deal.


^^:up:

I think he included that scene to leave the door open to the possibility of a Sequel. He may not have had one already planned- but he made sure it was available if he chose to want one.

Nolan is a smart man. He wanted to see what kind of money BB was going to pull in before he commited to TDK.

[The Joker_1000]

Well, we'll see him going out for revenge. We know for sure that he has a couple of scenes. I think Two-Face is gonna play a huge part in TDK. After all, HD is scared halfway through the film. I do believe that Two-Face is just a natural evolution of the character. If HD is the backbone of the story, then Two-Face is gonna be the climax. Trust me. Nolan isn't putting him in this film just to make a nod to the fans. He is going to play a very important part. He is not saving him for a third film. Nolan always says that he isn't thinking in terms of sequels. He wants to do the most complete film as possible.

I hope so. Well, I guess that two is really better than one since we will be getting the Joker AND Two-Face. That makes me even more hyped for this movie because they are my all-time favorite Batman movies.

[The Joker_1000]

http://data-allocine.blogomaniac.fr/mdata/4/7/8/Z20050313212430647991874/img/two_face_piece.jpg

http://www.lostonwallace.com/images/two-face2.gif

http://www.batman-superman.com/batman/img/twoface1.gif

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/09/twoface_3.jpg

[dark_knight08]

I know it's not The Dark Knight related but this is Batman: The Animated Series & it tells the story of Harvey Dent and his transformation into the villain Two-Face.

TWO-FACE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTek6e2JqZQ Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tG9ePebzV8 Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUmG9sIicq8 Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6vy4ZJaHyE Part 4

[Joker'sHenchman]

I don't think we will see a black and white or two-tone suit. It just wouldn't fit with the mood of these movies. Shame really, because I've always loved the black and white one.

I was looking at a picture of the Tommy Lee Jones suit (don't laugh!) and as awful as that suit is, it got me thinking;

Maybe Two-Face would deface the suit himself, either by tearing half of it, spraying it, burning it or chucking paint over half of it after he loses his mind.

Any thoughts?

As I recall Noir_Man reported in one of his set reports that the suit is just a regular suit that has been stained by the blood and acid of the incident, which i think is a perfect idea.

[chamber-music]

As I recall Noir_Man reported in one of his set reports that the suit is just a regular suit that has been stained by the blood and acid of the incident, which i think is a perfect idea.

Thinking of how Scarcrow was. I doubt Nolans gonna do anything over elaborate with the look of Two Face suit.

[theShape]

LISTEN UP:

Two-Face in TDK will be nothing like the Joker card reveal at the end of Batman Begins. Throughout the film, we will see the evolution of Harvey Dent to Two Face, and he will play quite a large role. Nolan, Eckart, and everyone involved have admitted that Two-Face will be in this film. If it was gonna be a little cliffhanger at the end, why would they be saying that? Why would they reveal the tease at the end of the film? Before BB came out, nobody was saying "The Joker has a presence in this film...".

[Joker'sHenchman]

LISTEN UP:

Two-Face in TDK will be nothing like the Joker card reveal at the end of Batman Begins. Throughout the film, we will see the evolution of Harvey Dent to Two Face, and he will play quite a large role. Nolan, Eckart, and everyone involved have admitted that Two-Face will be in this film. If it was gonna be a little cliffhanger at the end, why would they be saying that? Why would they reveal the tease at the end of the film? Before BB came out, nobody was saying "The Joker has a presence in this film...".

Yeah, Two-Face is going to be the main priority of Act III.

[bkey]

I know this Batman: The Animated Series but it tells the story of Harvey Dent and his transformation into the villain Two-Face.

TWO-FACE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOKynm2jUY Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U39uaqZKl74 Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7uFTpq79hc Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqccL8zesXU Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1BnrOdWXns Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzuMJYPf8qg Part 6


Cool videos, thanks for posting dark_knight08!

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I think at the end of TDK Gordon and Batman should be on the rooftop and Gordon will hand Batman a card and Batman will turn it over and it will be a joker card with Calendar Man's picture taped over it. Batman will then look into it.

[The Joker_1000]

I actually don't mind that the origins are going to be different. I like to see as many different visions on superhero/villain characters as possible. I think that it's going to be really interesting to see Nolan's vision of Two-Face.

[The Joker_1000]

I think at the end of TDK Gordon and Batman should be on the rooftop and Gordon will hand Batman a card and Batman will turn it over and it will be a joker card with Calendar Man's picture taped over it. Batman will then look into it.


How about you go play with the other children?

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

How about you go play with the other children?
Awe, come on, Why So Serious? :hoboj:

[bkey]

I actually don't mind that the origins are going to be different. I like to see as many different visions on superhero/villain characters as possible. I think that it's going to be really interesting to see Nolan's vision of Two-Face.

The origin won't be too much different from that of the comic books; but I am excited to see how his looks will compare. Nolan is good at taking the characters, and turning them into very interesting, "realistic" characters in the sense that they are believable and gritty and plausible, which is one of the things I enjoy most about Nolan's take on Batman.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

You think Two-Face will be more of an out of control vigilante, or crime boss?

[The Joker_1000]

The origin won't be too much different from that of the comic books; but I am excited to see how his looks will compare. Nolan is good at taking the characters, and turning them into very interesting, "realistic" characters in the sense that they are believable and gritty and plausible, which is one of the things I enjoy most about Nolan's take on Batman.

Yeah, Nolan is a great director. I'm glad that he was chosen to be the director of this franchise. No longer will we be haunted by the horrible Batman movies of the past. Although for the record, the first two Batman movies of the last franchise were pretty damn good. Anyway, I look forward to seeing Two-Face. What excites me the most is that we're getting him so early & we didn't have to wait a long time to see a new take on the character. It's going to be a hell of ride seeing Harvey Dent become Two-Face.

[bkey]

You think Two-Face will be more of an out of control vigilante, or crime boss?

Probably the former. I don't see him being a mob boss type character in this incarnation.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Yeah that was the one thing that always bothered me about Two-Face. I always thought that he should be like Batman gone terribly wrong.

[The Joker_1000]

Probably the former. I don't see him being a mob boss type character in this incarnation.

I'd like for him to have some thugs that follow him around & accompany him on his missions.

[project13]

THE TWO-FACES OF JUSTICE:
My take on Harvey Dent in TDK
By project13

Have Harvey's parents murdered by a mob boss when he's a child (ala Bruce). That would bring out a spilt personality that he believed made him kill a rapist when he's a young man. As a result, he repressed his violent emotions. He decides to follow his father footsteps as a lawyer and then Gotham's District Attorney. However, his dark side tempts him to operate outside the law (you know, voices in his head). "Big Bad Harv" would try to convince Harvey that the legal system doesn't work and "they must kill to get justice". Dent manages to keep this persona in check, until one night:


Rachel would be kidnapped by the Joker and Harvey teams up with Batman to take him down. Despite Batman's warnings,Dent takes it personally and tries to rescue her himself, unaware that he's walking to a trap. Then the Joker catches him by surprise and beats him with a crowbar. He "apologizes" for putting a ''dent'' to his campaign and mocks him for being a "two-bit law man". Then "Big Bad Harv" beats up Joker, leaving Batman to defeat him. Then the Joker activates a trigger that blows up the warehouse that Harvey and Rachel were held captive. The explosion kills Rachel and scars Dent in the process, leaving "harv" in permanent control.

In the 3rd film, Two-Face would try to cleanse Gotham of corruption by using execution-style methods. He would be an antagonist to Batman because he prevents him from killing criminals and he blames Batman for all the "costume freaks running around".

[The Joker_1000]

No, I think that Two-Face needs to be portrayed as a villain, not someone who is trying to kill off criminals.

[CaptainClown]

thats whats two-face does though. He kills bad guys.

[BatSpider]

No, I think that Two-Face needs to be portrayed as a villain, not someone who is trying to kill off criminals.

That's what he does

[The Joker_1000]

He does? Well, I wanted this version to be closer to Two-Face in TAS so that's what I was going by.

[CaptainClown]

he kind of does it in TAS as well

[mackblack01]

Yeah, he does..

[The Joker_1000]

Well, either way it goes, I want to see Two-Face more or less portrayed as a villain but before then I'd like for him to have multiple personalities where he might commit murder or a crime & wake up not knowing he did it.

[CaptainClown]

That would be losing the essence of Two-face all together. Two-face is a tragic character who falls under the weight of his public expectations. He is proof that Gotham corrupts. That brings out his whole two face dynamic.

The justice system is blind and only fate decides on who lives and dies. Having him be just a villain would water him down and make him a very uninteresting character.

[The Joker_1000]

Well, I guess we just have different views on how he should be in TDK.

[MarkJK1441]

i bet the first some what look of what two face will look like in TDK will be from a leaked shot of the action figure

[regwec]

That would be losing the essence of Two-face all together. Two-face is a tragic character who falls under the weight of his public expectations. He is proof that Gotham corrupts. That brings out his whole two face dynamic.

The justice system is blind and only fate decides on who lives and dies. Having him be just a villain would water him down and make him a very uninteresting character.
Bravo! Quite right.

[Keyser Soze]

That would be losing the essence of Two-face all together. Two-face is a tragic character who falls under the weight of his public expectations. He is proof that Gotham corrupts. That brings out his whole two face dynamic.

The justice system is blind and only fate decides on who lives and dies. Having him be just a villain would water him down and make him a very uninteresting character.

Agreed. While i won't lie, the approach has certainly delivered some very good stories, I'm less comfortable with Two-Face when he's depicted as a crime-boss, or a bank robber, unless its as a means to an end.

Apologies in advance, this is quite tricky to explain. But I don't think it should be "Harvey Dent gets disfigured, so he decides to become a bad guy." It should be a more gradual process. Like, Harvey Dent is disfigured, the latent "dark half" of his persona emerges, and is kinda like saying to him "Your way doesn't work, lets do this my way." But he's still ultimately fighting towards the same goal, "save" Gotham. Only while Dent wanted to do it using the legal system, Two-Face feels it is necessary to do it through murder and violence.

So yeah, a gradual process. Like, Two-Face saying "All we need to do is get revenge on Maroni, that'll make everything right." He does that, then he realises the other mobsters are after him, and its "All we need to do is get rid of all the mobsters in Gotham, that'll make everything right." And then he realises his so-called friends Batman and Gordon are also after him, they've betrayed him, they've betrayed the cause. "All we need to do is get rid of Batman, its his fault, get rid of him, that'll make everything right."

And finally it gets to the point where, after cutting a path of bloodshed through Gotham, Dent looks back, sees all he's done, and only then realises what he's become. A real Macbeth "I am in blood stepp'd in so far" moment.

[Rockadood]

Loving this idea, Keyser. Like the way you allowed the grudge against Batman to develop too. Two-Face WOULD see Batman and Gordon as betraying the cause.

I hope there's a scene or two with Harvey agonising and fighting with himself, maybe a bit like gollum, maybe (please don't flame) a bit like fight club.

[obiTokenobi]

Loving this idea, Keyser. Like the way you allowed the grudge against Batman to develop too. Two-Face WOULD see Batman and Gordon as betraying the cause.

I hope there's a scene or two with Harvey agonising and fighting with himself, maybe a bit like gollum, maybe (please don't flame) a bit like fight club.

"a bit like gollum/fight club"!!!!!?????!!!!!!!??????


http://www.maam.org/wwii/photos/battle/Flamethrower_5.jpg

[Scarecrow_King]

i think that as long as they stay close to his portrayal in the long halloween, like they said they were going to, all will be well. it's an excellent transition from dent to two-face, showing how he justifies his actions and how he still believes he's doing the right thing, just means to an end.

[Rockadood]

Obi,

A bit like Gollum when he's arguing with himself and the camera angle/gollum's expression changes to make it look like two characters

And a bit like fightclub when the viewer slowly realises that Tyler Durden and the narrator are one and the same, but in reverse.

Difficult to capture split personalities on screen, but these worked really well.

Oh and I said "please DON'T FLAME!!!!!!" :cwink:

EDIT: could even chuck in a bit of the old Willem Dafoe/Green Goblin style mirror chat too.

[cerealkiller182]

I think a better metaphor would be the scene in Face to Face, where Dent talks to Two Face in the mirror, which was much like Willem Dafoe in SM1 talking to the himself in the mirror being both Norman and GOblin

[Rockadood]

Oops, added the Dafoe edit before seing your post.

Good thinking though! lol

[Scarecrow_King]

first off: jimmy, please find a suitable place for that. firefly doesn't belong in this thread....

second: i support the mirror idea. i thought it worked well for osborn in the first spiderman, and i thought james robinson did a good job writing it in for dent.
and i have an idea that kinda sounds good to me, but kinda also sounds bad. we have dent and two-face, two separate personalities. what if in the mirror, he sees his entire face as scarred? then from his viewpoint, himself out of the mirror is whole? it could be a nice aesthetic way to show his two personalities. then cut back to reality and we see his face split in half.

[That'ssuper!]

With the graphic nature that Nolan is inserting into the films I would think that Dent is going to be something like a radical Islamic terrorist with beheadings, mutiliations, and more for criminals that either Batman or GPD fail to get. Perhaps kidnap Joker from Arkham because he only gets locked up when Two-Face thinks he should be killed, in the same manner he scars people that is.

[JaD]

i dont even want to see what two-face will look like until the movie comes out. come on nolan, surprise me. i know u will, "its all part of the plan"

[Scarecrow_King]

i would like see him for the first time when i see the movie, but something will invarialbly get leaked. and i know that i won't have the willpower not to look. i said i wasn't going to look at the joker, but that turned out to be darn near impossible anyway. i just want him to look disgusting. i like tim sale's interpretation. its nice and....fleshy.

[JaD]

wheres tim sales interpretation?

[JaD]

i just hope im not hyping myself up like i did with s3, when i wanted to see what venom looked like so badly, then i finally did and was like "whew, thats lame" haha

[Scarecrow_King]

i did the same thing with sm3. i hated that movie.
but here's the best pic of sale's twoface i could find.

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/13p38.jpg

[The Battousai]

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/13p29.jpg

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/13p38.jpg

[Scarecrow_King]

yeah, mine's the same as the bottom pic, don't bother wasting your time clicking the link. dunno why i didn't just post the pics. lo siento.

[Dark Sentinel]

Loving this idea, Keyser. Like the way you allowed the grudge against Batman to develop too. Two-Face WOULD see Batman and Gordon as betraying the cause.

I hope there's a scene or two with Harvey agonising and fighting with himself, maybe a bit like gollum, maybe (please don't flame) a bit like fight club.

i actually like this idea, and it could be done in an interesting way: during the argument between the two halves, Harvey himself is pacing. when the "good" side is talking, we see the unscarred side, and when the "bad" side is talking, he turns around and paces the other way so we get a full shot of the scarred side. but it all depends on how Eckhart can play it, and it could turn out to be really creepy.

[JaD]

o tim sale, the long halloween, nvm then. i have that comic im an idiot haha

but yea, im totally thinking that its gonna be close to that version