Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[The Joker_1000]

So, what's new?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Apparently Harvey dies at the end.

[gwynplaine]

Apparently Harvey dies at the end.
Half.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

half-cafe.

[gwynplaine]

Half and half.

[Ledlunar]

Im curious as to where he will get his coin in the film..In the comic books originally it was Maroni's... then in the Long Halloween when Harvey visits his dad in the mental institute he comes home and sits in the basement playing with it all sad.... I like the idea of his dad giving him the coin It shows personality disordered are in his blood.... also it has a good a bad side to it,,, His father created him which is good... but his dad is nuts aswell bad... did they ever say what was wrong with his dad?

I heard as a child Harvey was beat by his father... any truth to this?

[cerealkiller182]

I like the father angle better. Its much more psychological

[sclabguy]

i dont know about his father but agreed on good/bad in his genes

[namtaB]

I like the father angle better. Its much more psychological

I once thought the same thing when I learned the plot of Ang Lee's Hulk.

[cerealkiller182]

I once thought the same thing when I learned the plot of Ang Lee's Hulk.

Yeah, but Two-Face is a naturally more psychological character than The Hulk. Most people wanted more "Hulk Smash!" People will want more Two-Face psychological angle, not Two-Face running rampant through town for seemingly no reason.

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, like in BF. I would love to see a portrayal close to TAS where we see him with two personalities before he officially becomes Two-Face.

[thejon93]

I always thought Two-Face should look like Darkman from Darkman, check it out:

Darkman(1990):
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-RycN69XQ

[namtaB]

Yeah, but Two-Face is a naturally more psychological character than The Hulk. Most people wanted more "Hulk Smash!" People will want more Two-Face psychological angle, not Two-Face running rampant through town for seemingly no reason.

More psychological than a modern day interpretation of the Victorian Era novel Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde?

[cerealkiller182]

More psychological than a modern day interpretation of the Victorian Era novel Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde?

Yes,its only vague interpretation. Hulk is also triggered by pain. Most stories involve Hulk hitting someone big or destroying something. Two-Face is all about Harvey vs. Two Face, and its always about whats going on in his head. Always about duality and his obsessive compulsion to flip the coin.

Harvey also has no superpowers so it normally has to be about the human/more psychological angle.

[namtaB]

Yes,its only vague interpretation. Hulk is also triggered by pain. Most stories involve Hulk hitting someone big or destroying something. Two-Face is all about Harvey vs. Two Face, and its always about whats going on in his head. Always about duality and his obsessive compulsion to flip the coin.

ARGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!:bh:

[The Joker_1000]

Yes,its only vague interpretation. Hulk is also triggered by pain. Most stories involve Hulk hitting someone big or destroying something. Two-Face is all about Harvey vs. Two Face, and its always about whats going on in his head. Always about duality and his obsessive compulsion to flip the coin.

Harvey also has no superpowers so it normally has to be about the human/more psychological angle.

:applaud

[Simon Dark]

I agree that I hope we get something of a mix between Two-Face from TLH and TAS. I too love the idea of Harvey having psychological problems before becoming Two-Face.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Big Bad Harv

[Pennyworth]

A friend sent me this manip today, thought I'd share:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1779/tf2tj1.jpg



Again, not my work, but I like it.

[Simon Dark]

A friend sent me this manip today, thought I'd share:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1779/tf2tj1.jpg



Again, not my work, but I like it.


Now THAT is cool. :)

[hobo123]

A friend sent me this manip today, thought I'd share:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1779/tf2tj1.jpg



Again, not my work, but I like it.

awesome dude

[cjblair]

This is what a real acid victim looks like:

http://img198.imagevenue.com/loc478/th_61053_800px-Acid_attack_victim_123_478lo.jpg (http://img198.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61053_800px-Acid_attack_victim_123_478lo.jpg)

[Simon Dark]

This is what a real acid victim looks like:

http://img198.imagevenue.com/loc478/th_61053_800px-Acid_attack_victim_123_478lo.jpg (http://img198.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61053_800px-Acid_attack_victim_123_478lo.jpg)


Uh.....thanks? :huh:

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Why would you do that, ban this man!

[bkey]

Thanks for posting! :huh: :dry:

[drakefinx2604]

Wth...umm, great I guess? So you're saying they should model Two-Face's make-up based on that? Yea...hmm, I'm confused. Let's just forget that was ever posted.

[GoogleMe94]

This is what a real acid victim looks like:

http://img198.imagevenue.com/loc478/th_61053_800px-Acid_attack_victim_123_478lo.jpg (http://img198.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61053_800px-Acid_attack_victim_123_478lo.jpg)


no, THIS is:


http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Acids/acid-attack-1.htm

[Simon Dark]

Changing the subject......one of the great things about the Two-Face character IMO is that he's so tragic...I'm glad they're making us emotionally invested in him in TDK...I'm sure it will be heart breaking for Bruce and the audience when he finally makes his transformation.

[Marx]

Changing the subject......one of the great things about the Two-Face character IMO is that he's so tragic...I'm glad they're making us emotionally invested in him in TDK...I'm sure it will be heart breaking for Bruce and the audience when he finally makes his transformation.

I'm sure it will be quite interesting!

[bkey]

Changing the subject......one of the great things about the Two-Face character IMO is that he's so tragic...I'm glad they're making us emotionally invested in him in TDK...I'm sure it will be heart breaking for Bruce and the audience when he finally makes his transformation.

I think so too. I'm exicted that finally Harvey Dent and his fall will be explored in a movie. I mean '89 had Dent, but he was just in a few scenes and there was nothing developmental about the character, and BF had Two Face, but I'm glad Dent will finally get the coverage he deserves on film.

[The Joker_1000]

As it stands, Billy Dee Williams wasn't right as Harvey Dent & Tommy Lee Jones wasn't right as Two-Face....at least with the script he was given. He basically portrayed another version of the Joker but this time he looked more like a burn victim.

[bkey]

As it stands, Billy Dee Williams wasn't right as Harvey Dent & Tommy Lee Jones wasn't right as Two-Face....at least with the script he was given.

Oh I agree completely.

[Simon Dark]

We all have had countless discussions about Ledger's portrayal of the Joker (which will be brilliant, no doubt), but Eckhart is playing TWO characters....I'm seriously looking forward to this. I've never seen a movie with Eckhart in it, but he seems to be a nice looking, likable guy......with inner demons woo hoo. :applaud

[bkey]

Hes a really good actor. You should see Thank You For Smoking. Eckhart is great in it.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Here I like that he's basically a rougher version of Bats...but in the 3rd movie I'd like to see him slip down into villainy. Maybe something akin to his role in Dark Victory, one of my favorite Two-Face stories.

[The Joker_1000]

I haven't seen any movies with him either so TDK will be the very first movie I've say both Heath Ledger & Aaron Eckhart in.

[Simon Dark]

Um, same thing could be said with Christian Bale playing two characters (Batman and Bruce Wayne)

Or Heath Ledger playing two characters (angry joker, calm joker)


seriously, it's the same character

Harvey Dent is not the same character as Two-Face. Granted, Bruce Wayne and Batman are two different characters....but this is more extreme. Way more extreme. And WTF, Calm Joker, Angry Joker? Are you serious?

[bkey]

I haven't seen any movies with him either so TDK will be the very first movie I've say both Heath Ledger & Aaron Eckhart in.

You've never seen any Ledger movie either? You're missing out man.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Billy-Dee would've been the smoothest Two-Face ever

[The Joker_1000]

You've never seen any Ledger movie either? You're missing out man.

Don't get me wrong, I will be checking out his movies. It just seems like I discover most of the good actors after watching superhero movies & then I check out their other movies. However, before BB came out I watched most of "American Psycho" with Christian Bale & he does a pretty damn good job of being a psycho.

[The Battousai]

Billy-Dee would've been the smoothest Two-Face ever

http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/images/products/COOL-PILLOW_RK.jpg

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

American Psycho is one of the funniest movie I've ever seen, so awesome.

[The Joker_1000]

http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/images/products/COOL-PILLOW_RK.jpg

You totally beat me to it. :applaud

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Billy-Dee would've been the smoothest Two-Face ever

He certainly had charisma as Dent in B'89...but wouldn't him being in Batman 3 without anything since B'89 be pretty much like what was done with Venom in Spidey 3?

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

There is pretty much no continuity in those films, they don't really seem to appear after one another.

[The Joker_1000]

He certainly had charisma as Dent in B'89...but wouldn't him being in Batman 3 without anything since B'89 be pretty much like what was done with Venom in Spidey 3?


Yeah, that's the point of character development. There's no doubt in my mind that Jim Carrey's Riddler was the best villain in BF.

[The Joker_1000]

There is pretty much no continuity in those films, they don't really seem to appear after one another.

Batman & Batman Returns appeared after one another or at least a year had happened between the two. The other two don't seem like they happened after one another though.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Yeah, that's the point of character development. There's no doubt in my mind that Jim Carrey's Riddler was the best villain in BF.

So back to Two-Face...rumor has it that at the end Batman lets him escape

I wonder how this will affect things with Gordon in Part 3?

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Where did you hear that, I like it though, Bruce is conflicted about what to do with Harvey

[The Battousai]

You totally beat me to it. :applaud

I'm just smooth that way

http://www.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/aug05/bdw.jpg

[The Joker_1000]

So back to Two-Face...rumor has it that at the end Batman lets him escape

I wonder how this will affect things with Gordon in Part 3?

The only way I see Batman letting Two-Face escape is because he feels sympathy for him for what has happened to him & where his life is headed.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I'm just smooth that way

http://www.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/aug05/bdw.jpg
I'm no fool, Lando's cooool. You better give up the toad.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Where did you hear that, I like it though, Bruce is conflicted about what to do with Harvey

Pretty sure it came from either a side or one of our reliable information sources here. It was a while back...yeah, you remember that supposed script info that was leaked? It was mentioned there. The information was a summary of stuff we already knew, but that tidbit had been sprinkled in. There was a sticky at the top of the page when the leak occured. Its been a couple of months, at the least.

[The Joker_1000]

Pretty sure it came from either a side or one of our reliable information sources here. It was a while back...yeah, you remember that supposed script info that was leaked? It was mentioned there. The information was a summary of stuff we already knew, but that tidbit had been sprinkled in. There was a sticky at the top of the page when the leak occured. Its been a couple of months, at the least.

Just so that I can have this cleared up: Who has a bigger role in TDK: The Joker or Harvey Dent? Or is their roles somewhat equal in the amount of scenes they get in the movie?

[The Battousai]

Pretty sure it came from either a side or one of our reliable information sources here. It was a while back...yeah, you remember that supposed script info that was leaked? It was mentioned there. The information was a summary of stuff we already knew, but that tidbit had been sprinkled in. There was a sticky at the top of the page when the leak occured. Its been a couple of months, at the least.

The problem with its validity is that it could've been made by anyone who's been paying attention to spoilers, spy info, and speculation.

I sincerely doubt that it's legitimate.

[bkey]

Just so that I can have this cleared up: Who has a bigger role in TDK: The Joker or Harvey Dent? Or is their roles somewhat equal in the amount of scenes they get in the movie?

Well Nolan has stated that Dent is the "backbone" of the film, and that Joker is an absolute. Their screen time will probably be comparable, but the characters have two completely different roles so to say who has a bigger role would be hard to say at this point.

[The Joker_1000]

Well, as long as we get a hell of a lot of both, I'm happy.

[StylishHokie21]

I hope The Joker gets a lot of screentime.

[Nightwing1977]

Look at the poll for this thread. The results are SHOCKING.

Yep. Shocking that the percent of the voting is....zero. :wow:

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Just so that I can have this cleared up: Who has a bigger role in TDK: The Joker or Harvey Dent? Or is their roles somewhat equal in the amount of scenes they get in the movie?

Joker blows like a hurricane, Dent is the backbone of the movie.

[Gianakin_]

Nobody said anything about Two-Face being the backbone. Dent is, so as to sympathize with him and feel his fall as tragic.

We will definately get the Venom treatment, as far as Two-Face's screentime goes, but that's not the point in TDK, unlike Spidey3. The story and characters are handled differently this time around.

[cerealkiller182]

Im pretty sure Nolansaid he wasthe backbone

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6690

[Carnotaur3]

Im pretty sure Nolansaid he wasthe backbone

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6690

Gianikin was saying that Harvey was said to be the backbone, not Two-Face... which falls in line with Nolan's quote.

I think what will happen is Harvey is going to represent what happens if Bruce makes the wrong decision. In other words, I believe Rachel will get killed and i think Harvey finds out about it after the acid incident when he's laying in the hospital... that would mean Big Bad Harve doesn't emerge from the scared face... but the loss of Rachel.

Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent are distraught about it. One makes the right decision and the other makes the wrong decision... becoming Two-Face.

[Gianakin_]

Gianikin was saying that Harvey was said to be the backbone, not Two-Face... which falls in line with Nolan's quote.

Precisely.

[cerealkiller182]

Gianikin was saying that Harvey was said to be the backbone, not Two-Face... which falls in line with Nolan's quote.

I think what will happen is Harvey is going to represent what happens if Bruce makes the wrong decision. In other words, I believe Rachel will get killed and i think Harvey finds out about it after the acid incident when he's laying in the hospital... that would mean Big Bad Harve doesn't emerge from the scared face... but the loss of Rachel.

Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent are distraught about it. One makes the right decision and the other makes the wrong decision... becoming Two-Face.

Yeah but to liken Two-Face to Venom in SM3 isnt necessary.

For one, im sick of the *****ing,that series jumped the shark in the 2nd one

and two, If Harvey is the back bone, then his transformation into Two-Face isnt gonna be like dropping a symbiote on Brock.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

True they're both born of tragedy, but go polar opposite ways.

[Gianakin_]

Yeah but to liken Two-Face to Venom in SM3 isnt necessary.

For one, im sick of the *****ing,that series jumped the shark in the 2nd one

and two, If Harvey is the back bone, then his transformation into Two-Face isnt gonna be like dropping a symbiote on Brock.

I didn't liken (was that a spelling mistake? I can't tell, not attacking you or anything) Two-Face to Venom, I just said that we'll get the villainous side of Dent will appear late in TDK, just like the villainous side of Brock in SM3.

The difference, like you said, is that Harvey will be a pivotal part of the story, unlike Brock.

In reality, we are saying the same things.

[YsoSerious]

Hes a really good actor. You should see Thank You For Smoking. Eckhart is great in it.

I watched it the other day and imagined Aaron Eckhart with half of his face burned off. It was awesome.

[gwynplaine]

What I love about Eckhart, and Heath of course, is that they seem to have approached those iconic characters with a lot of respect and apparently they take them very seriously.
As opposed to some lesser actor who might have thought "Ah, comic book villain, I'll just slap on the latex and make up and ham it up" (like it's been done many times before on the screen, I won't name names:woot: ). I too have a lot of respect for these performers and of course for Nolan for casting them in the 1st place.

[gwynplaine]

In the latest issue of Wizard, Eckhart talks about Two-Face and says that he is more of a vigilante than a mobster and that he follows a code. It sounds like Dexter, I like that:woot: .

[bkey]

In the latest issue of Wizard, Eckhart talks about Two-Face and says that he is more of a vigilante than a mobster and that he follows a code. It sounds like Dexter, I like that:woot: .

Awesome! I'm glad thats the approach they are taking on him. Do you have a link, so I can read it please? :woot:

[Carnotaur3]

Wouldn't it be cool guys that Joker goes to the hospital to finish Harvey off instead of it just being a random bomb explosion? Bruce finds out and gets in his Batman gear.... there's a fight inside, Harvey escapes and the hospital blows up.

[thejon93]

Wouldn't it be cool guys that Joker goes to the hospital to finish Harvey off instead of it just being a random bomb explosion? Bruce finds out and gets in his Batman gear.... there's a fight inside, Harvey escapes and the hospital blows up.
That's what I always thought of when it came to that sequence!

[SheldonLevene]

What I love about Eckhart, and Heath of course, is that they seem to have approached those iconic characters with a lot of respect and apparently they take them very seriously.
As opposed to some lesser actor who might have thought "Ah, comic book villain, I'll just slap on the latex and make up and ham it up" (like it's been done many times before on the screen, I won't name names:woot: ). I too have a lot of respect for these performers and of course for Nolan for casting them in the 1st place.

I agree with your above post. That may just be my favorite thing about this new franchise. Not the reality angle or the grittyness or what have you, but the serious nature with which these actors approach the characters. It is very refreshing.

[bgates87]

Just thought I'd post my Two Face manip in here too, if you follow the fan art thread you've probably already seen it though.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1481/twofaceposteroy7.jpg

[gwynplaine]

Awesome! I'm glad thats the approach they are taking on him. Do you have a link, so I can read it please? :woot:
I am glad too. Sorry I read the article on the spot in the store:woot: .

[gwynplaine]

I agree with your above post. That may just be my favorite thing about this new franchise. Not the reality angle or the grittyness or what have you, but the serious nature with which these actors approach the characters. It is very refreshing.
very refreshing indeed:up: .

[Keyser Soze]

Hes a really good actor. You should see Thank You For Smoking. Eckhart is great in it.

I've heard that his best performance is "In The Company of Men". I've seen some hail it as one of the best performances of the 90s. Unfortunately, it's not available on DVD here in the UK. I might get it online to see it for myself.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Perhaps what Alfred said in the trailer regarding Batman making the choice and doing what needs to be done/what no one else will do--maybe that's in relation to Two-Face rather than Joker?

[Crook]

I've heard that his best performance is "In The Company of Men". I've seen some hail it as one of the best performances of the 90s.
Who, Eckhart's?

[TheBatman072]

Perhaps what Alfred said in the trailer regarding Batman making the choice and doing what needs to be done/what no one else will do--maybe that's in relation to Two-Face rather than Joker?


Yeah, no.

[The Battousai]

meh, it's a good manip, but I don't like the uneven edges of his scar

It's more like 2/3 Face

Hey, the character isn't called 50/50 either, so I don't know why that would be an issue at all

[TheBatman072]

meh, it's a good manip, but I don't like the uneven edges of his scar

It's more like 2/3 Face


If you were to go that far, even WITH the even line down the middle of his face, he'd be Half-and-half-Face. Not Two-Face.


He'd need two whole faces to be called Two-Face, wouldn't he?


Don't be so picky.

[Crook]

I can see where he's coming from. I like the uneven scarring line, but I see no reason not to have it split his face "almost" down the middle, like how it's always been depicted.

[Mr. Socko]

I hated it not being mostly half and half but that doesn't bother me anymore. Doesn't really make a difference.

[Joe Kerr]

My New Two-Face Manip:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n298/joekerr_02/twoface.jpg

[JaD]

^ um no clue

may be trying to say that the name 'Two-Face' is not appropriate becuz he doesnt necessarily have two faces , but one face split down the middle

although two-face suits because he has different personalities

[Juggernaut33]

What the hell are you talking about?

He says that the character is called Two-Face, not Fifty-Fifity Face.

[JaD]

My New Two-Face Manip:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n298/joekerr_02/twoface.jpg


thats pretty damn good, one of the best and closest ones ive seen, to the toy at least, but great nonetheless

awesome job :up:

[GoogleMe94]

reminds me of phantom of the opera, without the mask!

[Cronus]

See … there are hundreds of Two-Face comic scathes out there, where you can find uneven edges of his scaring and it looks good!!! I would be glad if this uneven scaring appears in the movie… its far more better than forever Two-Face!!! Isn’t it?????

[ronny]

In the latest issue of Wizard, Eckhart talks about Two-Face and says that he is more of a vigilante than a mobster and that he follows a code. It sounds like Dexter, I like that:woot: .

In my opinion that's the only way I can imagine him. I was under the impression that Two-Face was removing crime figures with the methods that Harvey Dent was unable to use. Not a "mob boss" type of guy. Whereas Scarecrow, Joker or The Penguin could hire people I think that Two-Face wouldn't.
He believes in upholding the law but is split between how best to do it.
Sounds like Eckhart and Nolan have everything covered.

[MiniBond]

In the latest issue of Wizard, Eckhart talks about Two-Face and says that he is more of a vigilante than a mobster and that he follows a code. It sounds like Dexter, I like that:woot: .
is there an online link to that ??????????

[GoogleMe94]

See … there are hundreds of Two-Face comic scathes out there, where you can find uneven edges of his scaring and it looks good!!! I would be glad if this uneven scaring appears in the movie… its far more better than forever Two-Face!!! Isn’t it?????


well....thats debatable. acting wise, i think this twoface will be better, not so joker-ish and over the top. BUT, the whole "only a quarter scarred" face isnt like the comics. in the comics, it looks pretty much like the way TLJ twoface looked, with the even split down the center. is it realistic? no, but thats the way its always looked in the comics.

[Juggernaut33]

No, he's saying that if the character had two half faces, he'd be called 50/50 face, not Two Face.

But we all know he is Two Face and DOES have 50/50 scarring.

This guy is making no sense.

Yeah but in real life, the 50/50 scaring would be ridiculous. There is no way someone can achieve that.

[GoogleMe94]

Yeah but in real life, the 50/50 scaring would be ridiculous. There is no way someone can achieve that.


thats why they are called MOVIES and comic books. its a fantasy.

[thejon93]

thats why they are called MOVIES and comic books. its a fantasy.
Yeah but they want the characters to fit into a realistic environment, there's no chance that somebody will throw acid at somebody and it splits up half of their face. Anyhow, if you don't like it, why don't you stick with Batman Forever?

[ronny]

I don't know, 50/50 scaring could be possible. Depending on how Dent fell. If he fell to his left there would be lines of scaring over that side of his face. But if he fell to the right it may be contained to that area. Plus, his suit and hand(s) would absorb a lot of it as well.

[Marx]

I don't know, 50/50 scaring could be possible. Depending on how Dent fell. If he fell to his left there would be lines of scaring over that side of his face. But if he fell to the right it may be contained to that area. Plus, his suit and hand(s) would absorb a lot of it as well.

Wow! Welcome to the Hype - Land of the eternal overanalyzing! :funny:

[DoctorJones]

In a sequel, could Dent worsen his scarring by having someone cut up his face to a full 50/50?

I can't believe I imagined something as gory as that...

[Nepenthes]

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/barbarabush8/BatmanMasterpieces118.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/barbarabush8/BatmanMasterpieces102.jpg

Masterpieces trading cards :cool:

[GoogleMe94]

^omg, that twoface pic looks almost exactly like tommy lee jones twoface. wow. TLJ may not have ACTED like twoface, but he certainly had the look down.

[Crook]

Yeah but they want the characters to fit into a realistic environment, there's no chance that somebody will throw acid at somebody and it splits up half of their face.
I don't see why a balance wouldn't have fit. Have "uneven" scarring AND still make it scar half his face. That look has been done in the comics.

[gwynplaine]

is there an online link to that ??????????
Like I said before, sorry I read it in the store.

[thejon93]

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/barbarabush8/BatmanMasterpieces118.jpg


Masterpieces trading cards :cool:
I'd like to see a The Dark Knight poster based on this, would be a little teaser for Two-Face himself.

[MiniBond]

:cwink: ok

[Mr. Socko]

In a sequel, could Dent worsen his scarring by having someone cut up his face to a full 50/50?

I can't believe I imagined something as gory as that...

What would be the point......?

^omg, that twoface pic looks almost exactly like tommy lee jones twoface. wow. TLJ may not have ACTED like twoface, but he certainly had the look down.

This is what I always thought too.

[Green Goblin 1964]

What would be the point......?

OCD

[cerealkiller182]

OCD


and an obsession with duality.

[CaptainClown]

GRR it is not symmetrical!
heads - I leave it alone
tails - I give it a nice one side look with this rusty razor I found on the ground
(flip)
tails; aw damn it

[Green Goblin 1964]

^^ Lmao

[theShape]

^omg, that twoface pic looks almost exactly like tommy lee jones twoface. wow. TLJ may not have ACTED like twoface, but he certainly had the look down.

He didn't have the look down, the make up artists did, but let's not forget about the cheetah/glittery/homosexual side of his suit. That's not exactly ripped from the comics...

[Ledlunar]

^omg, that twoface pic looks almost exactly like tommy lee jones twoface. wow. TLJ may not have ACTED like twoface, but he certainly had the look down.



uhhmmmmm yea but every artist has a different way of drawing characters I mean Jim Lee makes Lex Luthor and Harvey Dent look like twins cause he makes faces all look alike... the same way Joe Mad makes Garrison from Battle Chasers look just like his Wolverine... Some crappy artist just made him look like TLJ.... you cant cast a character off one artists interpretation... well you can but why use that crummy twoface "masterpiece card"..... blah

[Mr. Socko]

He didn't have the look down, the make up artists did, but let's not forget about the cheetah/glittery/homosexual side of his suit. That's not exactly ripped from the comics...


He has worn some pretty ridiculous suits in the comics too. Especially in his early appearances. They were just downright atrocious.

uhhmmmmm yea but every artist has a different way of drawing characters I mean Jim Lee makes Lex Luthor and Harvey Dent look like twins cause he makes faces all look alike... the same way Joe Mad makes Garrison from Battle Chasers look just like his Wolverine... Some crappy artist just made him look like TLJ.... you cant cast a character off one artists interpretation... well you can but why use that crummy twoface "masterpiece card"..... blah

I agree, there are many different versions and they're all equally as valid:up:

[Ledlunar]

i wondr if this film will be non linear like most nolan films or told in order.... or if flashbacks will be in it... like how well we will get to know harvey?... I hope they make us really liek him in it... unlike anakin skywalker..... I just watched HEAT the other night adn was thining of TDK alot and think that this movie will show how people react alot to the world around them... HEAT really had that and Nolan cited it as a major influence

[Nightwing1977]

My New Two-Face Manip:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n298/joekerr_02/twoface.jpg

Badass!! I love it. :up:

Anyhow, if you don't like it, why don't you stick with Batman Forever?

Nah. He should stick with B89/BR one, since he is a Burton fan. :hehe: :hehe:

[thejon93]

Badass!! I love it. :up:



Nah. He should stick with B89/BR one, since he is a Burton fan. :hehe: :hehe:
Speaking of Burton, I tried watching all of his movies back-to-back and guess what? I couldn't:yay:
They all had the exact same feel: gothic, retro housing, Danny Elfman, etc. It gets kinda iratating after a while:csad:

[Mr. Socko]

I love Batman'89, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman Begins. I'd rather have myself a nice variety than have to just stick with one.:)

[Cagefighterkip]

I hope The Joker gets a lot of screentime.

joker will i'm sure...
but as far as 2face goes i'd rather him be introduced at the end and setup for #3

[thejon93]

joker will i'm sure...
but as far as 2face goes i'd rather him be introduced at the end and setup for #3
I'd like to see him act as a vigilante in this film then at the end he flips a coin to decide what his actions would be next and then it lands on "heads" which enables Two-Face to wreck havok on Gotham City aside from his duties as Mayor(if he does indeed become Mayor). Nice cliffhanger ending if you ask me(simular to Batman Begins, but not as exciting maybe as we've already experienced the character throughout the film).

[Cagefighterkip]

I'd like to see him act as a vigilante in this film then at the end he flips a coin to decide what his actions would be next and then it lands on "heads" which enables Two-Face to wreck havok on Gotham City aside from his duties as Mayor(if he does indeed become Mayor). Nice cliffhanger ending if you ask me(simular to Batman Begins, but not as exciting maybe as we've already experienced the character throughout the film).

sir-that is a freakin FANTASTIC idea! id love to see that!

[thejon93]

Thank you... I feel like God for some reason now:woot:

[Cagefighterkip]

Thank you... I feel like God for some reason now:woot:

hahaha
imagine if god wrote batman... those would be the best bat-comix ever.

[thejon93]

hahaha
imagine if god wrote batman... those would be the best bat-comix ever.
Haha, not even Stan Lee could fight against the awesome-ness of God-Bat... sounds a bit like Godsmack doesn't it? God-Bat... God-Bat...

[Cagefighterkip]

Haha, not even Stan Lee could fight against the awesome-ness of God-Bat... sounds a bit like Godsmack doesn't it? God-Bat... God-Bat...

haHa! yeah---
yeah,that sounds like a bad batman comic from the 1950s, like the zebra batman, the rainbow batman, rip-van batman, and then God-batman...

[The Joker_1000]

What the hell is God-Batman?

[Cagefighterkip]

What the hell is God-Batman?

just something that accidentally came up here... a li'l joke...

[thejon93]

haHa! yeah---
yeah,that sounds like a bad batman comic from the 1950s, like the zebra batman, the rainbow batman, rip-van batman, and then God-batman...
Yeah, make way for the incredibly awesome adventures of Mother-Nature Batman(hope Joe Quesada from the Marvel/Spider-Man recent universe doesn't pick this idea up... chaos I tell you, chaos). Anyways, cheers to Harvey Dent/Two-Face, and... damn well better see some freakin' emoticons of him on here soon:cmad:

[Cagefighterkip]

Yeah, make way for the incredibly awesome adventures of Mother-Nature Batman(hope Joe Quesada from the Marvel/Spider-Man recent universe doesn't pick this idea up... chaos I tell you, chaos). Anyways, cheers to Harvey Dent/Two-Face, and... damn well better see some freakin' emoticons of him on here soon:cmad:

lo-freakin-l
ten bucks says once the trailers released and we see some 2face love... we'll get the emoticon... well i hope...

[The Joker_1000]

just something that accidentally came up here... a li'l joke...

Thank goodness....I thought it was real.

[Cagefighterkip]

Thank goodness....I thought it was real.

god no --
dc may f**k up some of the characters nowadays but not that badly lol

[thejon93]

lo-freakin-l
ten bucks says once the trailers released and we see some 2face love... we'll get the emoticon... well i hope...
Yeah, it'll be funny if the trailer sucked. Haha, I mean imagine this:

Dent: So...
Batman: SO WHAT?!
Dent: Did you vote for, Dent?
Batman stares at Dent.
THE DARK KNIGHT(c)
Text: Suckers:woot:
In Theatres 2008(c)
Text: P.S. NO S#@&!

Wow, now I'm really pissed off:cmad:

[Cagefighterkip]

Yeah, it'll be funny if the trailer sucked. Haha, I mean imagine this:

Dent: So...
Batman: SO WHAT?!
Dent: Did you vote for, Dent?
Batman stares at Dent.
THE DARK KNIGHT(c)
Text: Suckers:woot:
In Theatres 2008(c)
Text: P.S. NO S#@&!

Wow, now I'm really pissed off:cmad:


oooooooooh
lets stay optimistic shall we? lol, but im sure the trailer will blow your socks off... i believe in chris nolan...

[The Joker_1000]

god no --
dc may f**k up some of the characters nowadays but not that badly lol


If Batman were real & he were God, we'd all be so damn screwed.

As for the trailer, I actually don't want to have a trailer with Two-Face in it, it'll completely spoil the movie for me if I see a trailer with him before I see the movie, which I'll be seeing when it first comes out.

[thejon93]

oooooooooh
lets stay optimistic shall we? lol, but im sure the trailer will blow your socks off... i believe in chris nolan...
Yeah, I have no doubts about this trailer, it's just with my idea of Two-Face as a vigilante and possibly the lack of Joker(thanks to theatrical trailer), I'm just a bit afraid that the trailer might lack some action sequences but, if so it will help us understand more of what's actually going on and have a chance to focus on some key characters like: Maroni, Gordon, Dent, Dawes, Wayne, etc. which will be understandable considering the high-octaned, action-packed theatrical trailer.

[drakefinx2604]

Yeah, it'll be funny if the trailer sucked. Haha, I mean imagine this:

Dent: So...
Batman: SO WHAT?!
Dent: Did you vote for, Dent?
Batman stares at Dent.
THE DARK KNIGHT(c)
Text: Suckers:woot:
In Theatres 2008(c)
Text: P.S. NO S#@&!

Wow, now I'm really pissed off:cmad:

It's funny right now, but it won't be funny if you see that in the theaters :cwink:.

[Cagefighterkip]

It's funny right now, but it won't be funny if you see that in the theaters :cwink:.

if any bat-fan sees that in theaters, there will be mass bat-fan suicide across the country...

[thejon93]

If Batman were real & he were God, we'd all be so damn screwed.

As for the trailer, I actually don't want to have a trailer with Two-Face in it, it'll completely spoil the movie for me if I see a trailer with him before I see the movie, which I'll be seeing when it first comes out.
You should take sometime off then because he has at this moment a really good chance of being revealed with not only the trailer but the viral website which'll probably release a Two-Face image(simular to the way they revealed The Joker).

[Cagefighterkip]

You should take sometime off then because he has at this moment a really good chance of being revealed with not only the trailer but the viral website which'll probably release a Two-Face image(simular to the way they revealed The Joker).

hope they reveal it...
even if we've already seen the toy, and basically know what he'll look like

[thejon93]

It's funny right now, but it won't be funny if you see that in the theaters :cwink:.
:funny: ...I should call WB!...

[thejon93]

hope they reveal it...
even if we've already seen the toy, and basically know what he'll look like
As I said, chances are he will be revealed before the film's release(let's just hope that it ain't overkill like what Spider-Man 3 did with Venom).

[Cagefighterkip]

:funny: ...I should call WB!...

try not to give them any ideas...

[Cagefighterkip]

As I said, chances are he will be revealed before the film's release(let's just hope that it ain't overkill like what Spider-Man 3 did with Venom).

give us one or two images and the trailer and ill be happy :)

[thejon93]

try not to give them any ideas...
Don't worry, the only possible way they will go with this is if they truly want to get me killed and cause chaos in the streets, THE GEEKS ARE ATTACKING THE WHITE HOUSE!!! Imagine waking up reading that newspaper article(not that you'd have to because they probably already attacked you by that time).

[The Joker_1000]

You should take sometime off then because he has at this moment a really good chance of being revealed with not only the trailer but the viral website which'll probably release a Two-Face image(simular to the way they revealed The Joker).

I'm not sure if I'll look at the images or not because I want the voice & the actual look to be a surprise but then again, he's my second favorite Batman villain so I want to see what he looks like.

[BatSpider]

give us one or two images and the trailer and ill be happy :)
Two has to be the MAXIMUM number of two face shots in the trailers IMO

[thejon93]

give us one or two images and the trailer and ill be happy :)
I just want him to appear briefly at the end(simular to what they did with the Batman Begins teaser trailer where they briefly showed a glimpse of Batman):

'Batman Begins' Teaser Trailer:
dU6JEQ83r1k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU6JEQ83r1k

[The Joker_1000]

Two has to be the MAXIMUM number of tw fac shots in the trailers IMO

I say give us one picture & a small part of him in the trailer.

[Cagefighterkip]

I just want him to appear briefly at the end(simular to what they did with the Batman Begins teaser trailer where they briefly showed a glimpse of Batman):

'Batman Begins' Teaser Trailer:
dU6JEQ83r1k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU6JEQ83r1k

thats a great idea, one big glace at the camera or something

[BatSpider]

thats a great idea, one big glace at the camera or something

Who knows how many times that would be manipulated.......

[thejon93]

thats a great idea, one big glace at the camera or something
Or how about this? You see Two-Face's disfigured hand throw a silver coin up into the air(slow-motion) the coin reaches distance of Two-Face's face and you can see him as clear as day, trailer ends with the coin hitting the ground and some kind of quote from Two-Face, I've always had that idea ever since I discovered Two-Face was going to be featured in this film.

[BatSpider]

Or how about this? You see Two-Face's disfigured hand throw a silver coin up into the air(slow-motion) the coin reaches distance of Two-Face's face and you can see him as clear as day, trailer ends with the coin hitting the ground and some kind of quote from Two-Face, I've always had that idea ever since I discovered Two-Face was going to be featured in this film.

Cool

but only for like a second though

that would get a :shock outta me!

[thejon93]

Who knows how many times that would be manipulated.......
Yeah, also, the day it comes out(if it does), everyone will have the shot(either GIF or regular still shot) of him, nobody will be able to tell each other apart anymore by simply looking at their avatars.

[Cagefighterkip]

Or how about this? You see Two-Face's disfigured hand throw a silver coin up into the air(slow-motion) the coin reaches distance of Two-Face's face and you can see him as clear as day, trailer ends with the coin hitting the ground and some kind of quote from Two-Face, I've always had that idea ever since I discovered Two-Face was going to be featured in this film.

i could get behind that...
yet another great idea. only 6days away now...

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Or what if you could see his reflection in the coin as it goes in slow mo after he flips it.

[BatSpider]

i could get behind that...
yet another great idea. only 6days away now...

Sort of like when the coin reaches to Face-level and the screen goes to black :yay:

[thejon93]

Cool

but only for like a second though

that would get a :shock outta me!
Yeah, everything would be silent then all of a sudden you see Two-Face and the music starts up again(fade to black), coin hits the ground, Two-Face quote, end of trailer, viral site reveals Two-Face image and new trailer comes out with it. Put them together = AWE-SOME!

[BatSpider]

Yeah, everything would be silent then all of a sudden you see Two-Face and the music starts up again(fade to black), coin hits the ground, Two-Face quote, end of trailer, viral site reveals Two-Face image and new trailer comes out with it. Put them together = AWE-SOME!
Which Quote :huh:

Also, should they have the Jokerized IBIHD poster in the trailer?

[thejon93]

Which Quote :huh:

Also, should they have the Jokerized IBIHD poster in the trailer?
A new one, maybe the quote from the Wizard trailer; "I thought you were dead", "Half".

[BatSpider]

A new one, maybe the quote from the Wizard trailer; "I thought you were dead", "Half".

Oh yeahhhhhhhhhh

Thanks :word:

*angry at self

[thejon93]

Oh yeahhhhhhhhhh

Thanks :word:

*angry at self
Don't be man, we all forget about things sometimes. I'm just happy that with each second that ticks by we're one step closer to The Dark Knight.

[Cagefighterkip]

Don't be man, we all forget about things sometimes. I'm just happy that with each second that ticks by we're one step closer to The Dark Knight.

truer words were never spoken

[cjblair]

I've read the Long Halloween, Goyer and Nolan cite it as big influence. This is where the disfigured (Two-face) Halloween pumpkin comes from. In it one of the mob bosses allowed himself to be captured, then turns state witness. But the idea is that he bribes someone in Dents office to supply him with the acid. Is this the Joker's plan? We see him sitting in a jail cell, does he (pretend) to cut a deal with Dent? Then acid him during the trial? That's what Goyer said in an interview. Why does he go after Rachael, is he trying to get to Dent through her? http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/btlh13.jpg

[Beanjuice]

LMAO i saw this ad just as i was clicking on this thread and i was quick enough to cap it


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/rsyj.jpg

[gwynplaine]

LMAO i saw this ad just as i was clicking on this thread and i was quick enough to cap it


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/rsyj.jpg
Lol. Maybe Two-Face should use Botox.

[MarkJK1441]

I've read the Long Halloween, Goyer and Nolan cite it as big influence. This is where the disfigured (Two-face) Halloween pumpkin comes from. In it one of the mob bosses allowed himself to be captured, then turns state witness. But the idea is that he bribes someone in Dents office to supply him with the acid. Is this the Joker's plan? We see him sitting in a jail cell, does he (pretend) to cut a deal with Dent? Then acid him during the trial? That's what Goyer said in an interview. Why does he go after Rachael, is he trying to get to Dent through her? http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/btlh13.jpg
That is a good idea bro. But i think that he is burned by Maroni

[cjblair]

Don't know, I understand that Sal does the deed originally but then in Batman'89 they made the Joker the Wayne's killer. I remember reading they'd changed it to the Joker, Goyer said that was the mistake Gordon and Bats made, they didn't kill him.

[bkey]

Don't know, I understand that Sal does the deed originally but then in Batman'89 they made the Joker the Wayne's killer. I remember reading they'd changed it to the Joker, Goyer said that was the mistake Gordon and Bats made, they didn't kill him.

Goyer did say that Joker was going to scar Dent, but this was back before there was even a script for TDK. He said that the scarring was going to take place in the third movie, which obviously isn't going to happen.

[GoogleMe94]

LMAO i saw this ad just as i was clicking on this thread and i was quick enough to cap it


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/rsyj.jpg


LOL! i HATE those ads, they annoy the piss outta me, noone can make a 70 year old look THAT young. thats as stupid as those axe deoderant spray that makes women "attract" to you.:whatever:

[bkey]

LOL! i HATE those ads, they annoy the piss outta me, noone can make a 70 year old look THAT young. thats as stupid as those axe deoderant spray that makes women "attract" to you.:whatever:

Dude it does, put some of that on and you will have at least 30 women in one night. Red Bull gives you wings as well.

[Marx]

Dude it does, put some of that on and you will have at least 30 women in one night. Red Bull gives you wings as well.

Got to love good quality products that never partake in false advertising!

[gwynplaine]

Dude it does, put some of that on and you will have at least 30 women in one night. Red Bull gives you wings as well.
Lol:woot: .

[Scarecrow_King]

Dude it does, put some of that on and you will have at least 30 women in one night. Red Bull gives you wings as well.

it's extremely dangerous to combine the two. I did it once. Don't even ask what happened.

(this is totally on topic, too) :woot:

[bkey]

it's extremely dangerous to combine the two. I did it once. Don't even ask what happened.

(this is totally on topic, too) :woot:

add a little jagermeister and you really can fly.

But only if your older than 21. And drink responsibly.

[Scarecrow_King]

haha, i like the little PSA you stuck in the end there. bravo.

[Nightwing1977]

LMAO i saw this ad just as i was clicking on this thread and i was quick enough to cap it


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/rsyj.jpg

Ewww. I'm glad I never try to look for those kind of pics & post 'em here. And the left face of the woman look like she been tanning too much. :shock

[JaD]

add a little jagermeister and you really can fly.

But only if your older than 21. And drink responsibly.

commercial for Jagermeister:

A little girl is sitting on a swing...not swinging

a tear rolls down her cheek

"where's daddy?"

Jager.

- Dave Attell

:woot:

[Ledlunar]

my brothers girlfriend just got back from thailand and she gave me a bunch of little gifts one was a bottle of there knock off red bull... thing is its 4 times stronger than whats sold in north america.... im almost afraid to drink it ... my heart will explode.... especially with booze

[Marx]

my brothers girlfriend just got back from thailand and she gave me a bunch of little gifts one was a bottle of there knock off red bull... thing is its 4 times stronger than whats sold in north america.... im almost afraid to drink it ... my heart will explode.... especially with booze

I'm thinking that I'd definately PASS on that. All these energy are just not good for you at all. If the Thai version is even stronger...it sounds like an instant heart attack.

[regwec]

Sounds like you're well in there.

[Cagefighterkip]

my brothers girlfriend just got back from thailand and she gave me a bunch of little gifts one was a bottle of there knock off red bull... thing is its 4 times stronger than whats sold in north america.... im almost afraid to drink it ... my heart will explode.... especially with booze

holy hell ---
whats it called? i need some of that stuff, sounds pimp

[Marx]

holy hell ---
whats it called? i need some of that stuff, sounds pimp

If you truly value your life Cagefighter, I would suggest NOT drinking that crap!

[Cagefighterkip]

If you truly value your life Cagefighter, I would suggest NOT drinking that crap!

hmmmm i value my life... but im still curious... maybe drinking diet coke w/mentos should cool my death lust

[bkey]

lol at the Harvey Dent thread turning into the mixed drinks thread

[Damiean Dark]

What do you think of Javier Bardems role in no country for old men? the coin parts where classic.

[Crook]

The scene with the old man is absolutely chilling.

The problem with Javier's character using the coin, is now Eckhart has his work cut out for him to be on par with that performance.

"What do I have to lose?"
"Everything."

[Cagefighterkip]

What do you think of Javier Bardems role in no country for old men? the coin parts where classic.

i saw the flick, and when those were on i thought twoface... classic and creepy...

[cerealkiller182]

The scene with the old man is absolutely chilling.

Agreed 10-fold.

[Crook]

WtNvBDYWFUg

Brilliant dialog and performance. :up:

[gwynplaine]

WtNvBDYWFUg

Brilliant dialog and performance. :up:
Instant classic. Bardem is the man.

[SalaciousVC]

LMAO i saw this ad just as i was clicking on this thread and i was quick enough to cap it


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u157/dsr55/rsyj.jpg

LOL!

[drakefinx2604]

WtNvBDYWFUg

Brilliant dialog and performance. :up:

Wow, the coin can definitely be pulled off w/ Two-Face after watching that. Hopefully, it doesn't become too associated w/ this when people see it though.

[The Battousai]

Wow, the coin can definitely be pulled off w/ Two-Face after watching that. Hopefully, it doesn't become too associated w/ this when people see it though.

The reasons for the flipping are different - people might not be able to tell, though :o

[SheldonLevene]

LOL!

I actually lol'd for like a minute straight. Are we to believe that is the same girl?

[Cagefighterkip]

I actually lol'd for like a minute straight. Are we to believe that is the same girl?

we are to believe. we are.

[Crook]

The reasons for the flipping are different - people might not be able to tell, though :o
Do tell. :p

[Nepenthes]

thing is its 4 times stronger than whats sold in north america.... im almost afraid to drink it ... my heart will explode....

ha ha weak amerikaan http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/barbarabush8/Untitled-1.jpg

[SheldonLevene]

Do tell. :p

Crook have you not seen the film yet? I myself have not and it seems you haven't either. I will definitely buy it on the 11th though.

[Cagefighterkip]

ha ha weak amerikaan http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/barbarabush8/Untitled-1.jpg

kill him! its osama!

[Crook]

Crook have you not seen the film yet? I myself have not and it seems you haven't either. I will definitely buy it on the 11th though.
No, I have. I just wanna hear what his interpretation of the character is.

[SheldonLevene]

No, I have. I just wanna hear what his interpretation of the character is.

Oh I see. I might need to leave this thread having not seen the movie yet. Lol

[cerealkiller182]

Well,its not a very obvious difference. Chigur seemed like a true professional, he killed people he was paid to do, or the people who got in his way. But with some of his victims they either pissed him off or he felt sympathy for them so he used the coin to justify his actions. Harvey has a much more psychological attachment to his coin. He cant make decisions without because he is two people.

[presario]

maybe instead of having acid thown in his face he could get kidnapped by
joker and when batman chases them in the batmobile joker lets
them get an a accident causing an explosion that destroys the batmobile and scars Harvey

[Crook]

Well,its not a very obvious difference. Chigur seemed like a true professional, he killed people he was paid to do, or the people who got in his way. But with some of his victims they either pissed him off or he felt sympathy for them so he used the coin to justify his actions. Harvey has a much more psychological attachment to his coin. He cant make decisions without because he is two people.
Well I gathered that after he takes out the coin, he also suffers the same fate of not being able to choose unless it is "called" by the victim. In both scenes with the person initially being hesitant to call heads/tails, you see Anton visibly distressed, and insists on a final call.

I think the difference is that Harv's bound by that coin at all times, while for Anton it's circumstantial.

maybe instead of having acid thown in his face he could get kidnapped by
joker and when batman chases them in the batmobile joker lets
them get an a accident causing an explosion that destroys the batmobile and scars Harvey
...or not. What exactly is the point of changing the origin?

[Scarecrow_King]

i thought it was already confirmed that its done in a court?

[cerealkiller182]

I think the difference is that Harv's bound by that coin at all times, while for Anton it's circumstantial.

Yes, that was what i was trying to get at.

[presario]

Well I gathered that after he takes out the coin, he also suffers the same fate of not being able to choose unless it is "called" by the victim. In both scenes with the person initially being hesitant to call heads/tails, you see Anton visibly distressed, and insists on a final call.

I think the difference is that Harv's bound by that coin at all times, while for Anton it's circumstantial.


...or not. What exactly is the point of changing the origin?
the reason i would change his origin is so he can blame batman for the way he is

and so his whole side is scared instead of just half

[bkey]

i thought it was already confirmed that its done in a court?

Everything points that way. Goyer semi-confirmed it a long while back, and the casting sides have him being scarred in court as well. I also believe Eric Roberts has said that the Two Face origin is pretty similar to what it is in the comics.

[abcdefz]

A tiny bit on MTV: (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/02/28/aaron-eckhart-discusses-the-two-faces-of-crime-in-the-dark-knight/)

Last year at the Independent Spirit Awards, Aaron Eckhart spilled the beans on Harvey Dent, telling MTV News that the key to his performance (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1553188/20070225/story.jhtml) was in finding “the tension…the similarities” between Batman and Two-Face. This year, he told us what he found.
“Well, they’re both crime fighters,” he said. “They both care about law and order. They both care about Gotham City. Although they come from different backgrounds, they share certain things. Pausing, he added, “[Things that] I cannot tell you about.”



...there's a video of that, plus a little more text. Eckhart calls Nolan "tough."

[Cagefighterkip]

A tiny bit on MTV: (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/02/28/aaron-eckhart-discusses-the-two-faces-of-crime-in-the-dark-knight/)

Last year at the Independent Spirit Awards, Aaron Eckhart spilled the beans on Harvey Dent, telling MTV News that the key to his performance (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1553188/20070225/story.jhtml) was in finding “the tension…the similarities” between Batman and Two-Face. This year, he told us what he found.
“Well, they’re both crime fighters,” he said. “They both care about law and order. They both care about Gotham City. Although they come from different backgrounds, they share certain things. Pausing, he added, “[Things that] I cannot tell you about.”



...there's a video of that, plus a little more text. Eckhart calls Nolan "tough."

cool find, thanx

[The Joker_1000]

Everything points that way. Goyer semi-confirmed it a long while back, and the casting sides have him being scarred in court as well. I also believe Eric Roberts has said that the Two Face origin is pretty similar to what it is in the comics.


It's really going to be interesting to see. I really can't wait to see it when it happens.

[Drummerdude7]

the reason i would change his origin is so he can blame batman for the way he is

and so his whole side is scared instead of just half

two-face's origin should really have nothing to do with batman
villains origins don't always need to be related to the hero (ala spiderman)

blaming batman for his scarring does nothing for the character, it just gives him a lame reason to hate batman. (aka, batman forever) The reason two-face should oppose batman is a difference in ideology, seeing as both have different opinions and methods of executing justice.

and maybe im reading what you said wrong, but are you saying you want all of dent to be scarred? cause that would kinda defeat the purpose of him being "two-face"

[Reflectionist]

two-face's origin should really have nothing to do with batman
villains origins don't always need to be related to the hero (ala spiderman)

blaming batman for his scarring does nothing for the character, it just gives him a lame reason to hate batman. (aka, batman forever) The reason two-face should oppose batman is a difference in ideology, seeing as both have different opinions and methods of executing justice.

and maybe im reading what you said wrong, but are you saying you want all of dent to be scarred? cause that would kinda defeat the purpose of him being "two-face"

That's a moot point because Harvey Dent is the District Attorney of Gotham City and has a pact with Batman to begin with.

[Drummerdude7]

That's a moot point because Harvey Dent is the District Attorney of Gotham City and has a pact with Batman to begin with.

I knew someone would bring this up.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have ANY connection to Batman, because there's obviously the alliance between Dent, Batman, and Gordon to clean up the streets.
What I'm saying is that the acid scarring or w/e origin they choose for Two-Face shouldn't involve Batman to a point where Dent blames Batman for his disfigurement, because they did that in Batman Forever, and it's a lame motivation imo.
It's not Batman's fault that Dent is scarred, it's the mob's fault, and as Two-Face, Dent is out to execute his own brand of justice against the mob, bringing him into conflict with Batman.
Maybe i should have made myself more clear, i apologize.

[Reflectionist]

I knew someone would bring this up.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have ANY connection to Batman, because there's obviously the alliance between Dent, Batman, and Gordon to clean up the streets.
What I'm saying is that the acid scarring or w/e origin they choose for Two-Face shouldn't involve Batman to a point where Dent blames Batman for his disfigurement, because they did that in Batman Forever, and it's a lame motivation imo.
It's not Batman's fault that Dent is scarred, it's the mob's fault, and as Two-Face, Dent is out to execute his own brand of justice against the mob, bringing him into conflict with Batman.
Maybe i should have made myself more clear, i apologize.

oh, okay. i don't think that'll be the case at all though. even though it was like that in all of the comic interpretations of Dent's scarring. Dent will probably seek revenge on Batman for getting in the way of his own personal spin on justice.

[Drummerdude7]

oh, okay. i don't think that'll be the case at all though. even though it was like that in all of the comic interpretations of Dent's scarring. Dent will probably seek revenge on Batman for getting in the way of his own personal spin on justice.

That's kinda what I'm thinking. And you're right...even in the comics, Dent blamed Batman for his scarring...which I always thought was kinda dumb. TLH got Dent's character perfect....Gotham's golden boy who is slowly torn apart by the city, and is finally driven over the edge by the acid attack. From there on in, he is out to bring justice by the flip of his coin, and if Batman gets in the way, then it's down with Batman too.

[War Party]

In all honesty, I'm looking forward more to Two Face than the Joker. Don't get me wrong, the Joker is awesome, but I have always liked Harvey/Two Face more. I was furious with what Tommy Lee Jones did with the character. At least Joker had an alright portrayal in '89.

[Drummerdude7]

In all honesty, I'm looking forward more to Two Face than the Joker. Don't get me wrong, the Joker is awesome, but I have always liked Harvey/Two Face more. I was furious with what Tommy Lee Jones did with the character. At least Joker had an alright portrayal in '89.

I feel the same way. I've always preferred Dent's character over the Joker, mostly because of the whole tragic fall that has become associated with his character in the past few years.

Schumacher and Jones did not bring justice to Two-Face at all in Batman Forever (no pun intended) and I'm glad we're going to be able to get a more accurate representation, judging by what both Nolan and Eckhart have said.

[Reflectionist]

In all honesty, I'm looking forward more to Two Face than the Joker. Don't get me wrong, the Joker is awesome, but I have always liked Harvey/Two Face more. I was furious with what Tommy Lee Jones did with the character. At least Joker had an alright portrayal in '89.

Given seeing a lot of TLJ's other movies where he plays the exact opposite of the kind of person he played as Two-Face, I'm going to have to say that it's more on the shoulders of the Director. Which, although i don't believe he should be blamed for everything, is Joel Shumacher. *shrugs*

I have a theory that part of the reason they hired TLJ was because of the roles he's played before. He;s great at acting that overintelligently bored (not boring) expert in whatever it is he's acting about, and I think that would've been a very great Burton-esque take on Two-Face. Which, I don't know how it would've turned out if Billy Dee Williams did it, because I only know him as either THE ONLY BLACK GUY IN SPACE (thank you Star Wars Original Trilogy), or, THE ONLY BLACK GUY IN GOTHAM (Thank you Batman '89.).

[Mr. Socko]

In all honesty, I'm looking forward more to Two Face than the Joker. Don't get me wrong, the Joker is awesome, but I have always liked Harvey/Two Face more. I was furious with what Tommy Lee Jones did with the character. At least Joker had an alright portrayal in '89.

I agree. In terms of character I am more looking forward to Dent, but in terms of portrayal I'd have to go with Heath because it looks like he's done an amazing job.

or, THE ONLY BLACK GUY IN GOTHAM (Thank you Batman '89.).

Ray Charles would disagree.

[War Party]

I agree. In terms of character I am more looking forward to Dent, but in terms of portrayal I'd have to go with Heath because it looks like he's done an amazing job.

Oh definitely. I'm looking forward to see what heath does with the character more than anything. But Harvey is such a great character and the payoff in seeing him turn into Two Face should be awesome to see and rewarding. I seriously can't wait.

[The Joker_1000]

I can't really decide which one I want to see more because these two are my all-time favorite Batman villains so I'm really looking forward to seeing them both. Hopefully they'll both have screentime that is just about equal. Either way, I know I'll be seeing this movie in dedication to Heath for the most part. When he died, that's what really wanted me to see the movie. That & the fact that everyone kept saying his Joker was going to be badass.

[Cagefighterkip]

In all honesty, I'm looking forward more to Two Face than the Joker. Don't get me wrong, the Joker is awesome, but I have always liked Harvey/Two Face more. I was furious with what Tommy Lee Jones did with the character. At least Joker had an alright portrayal in '89.

i guess;
i agree im a little more exicted for 2face, but i dislike a lot of nicholsons performace in '89

[War Party]

i guess;
i agree im a little more exicted for 2face, but i dislike a lot of nicholsons performace in '89

Me saying Jack's Joker was alright is being generous. I'm not the biggest fan of his portrayal.

[Cagefighterkip]

Me saying Jack's Joker was alright is being generous. I'm not the biggest fan of his portrayal.

aw good -
i felt it was too much jack play jack AS the joker. not jack playing joker, yknow? it isnt bad, but VERY far from my fave

[Mr. Socko]

No, to date it is my fave.

[theShape]

No, to date it is my fave.

Well, it's only one of two live-action portrayals, the other being from the 60s, so he doesn't have a lot to compete with until July.

[Bnightwing]

I have seen the two face action figure I think Aaron is gonna be a great two-face

[Mr. Socko]

Well, it's only one of two live-action portrayals, the other being from the 60s, so he doesn't have a lot to compete with until July.

Yeah, you're right. It really isn't much to compare it to despite Romero being class in his age. I think Nicholson was fantastic, and in July we'll see an even better performance.

[The Joker_1000]

Yep, that's for sure. With Nicholson we got a portrayal that was really similar to Mark Hamil's Joker but now we're getting something entirely new & I can't wait to see it. July can't get here quick enough!

:hoboj: :hoboj:

[Mr. Socko]

Fully agree, only four months away. I'm so looking forward to it:woot:

[The Joker_1000]

Yeah, I'm going on opening day no matter what. Heath is going to be badass. I also look forward to seeing what Bale has done with Batman that's new.

[cerealkiller182]

Yep, that's for sure. With Nicholson we got a portrayal that was really similar to Mark Hamil's Joker but now we're getting something entirely new & I can't wait to see it. July can't get here quick enough!

:hoboj: :hoboj:

Wouldnt it technically be Mark Hamil was similar to Nicholson?

Not that it really matters, they were both good

[RoboAmish]

hmm... well he certainly cast well.

Dent is really going to be this films ace up the sleeve

[War Party]

Yeah, I'm going on opening day no matter what. Heath is going to be badass. I also look forward to seeing what Bale has done with Batman that's new.

I seriously can't wait for the midnight showing. Usually there's people in costume at these things, with hilarious results.

[sclabguy]

today i had to right a speech for one of my classes and at the end of my speech i said "The world will be yours! I - am a man of my word!" couple of people knew

[sclabguy]

^it was for my latin course "Ego sum vir mei verbi!" = im a man of my word

[cjblair]

I seriously can't wait for the midnight showing. Usually there's people in costume at these things, with hilarious results.

Kent Brockman: Thousands of fans have shown up for the midnight screening of the latest installment in the Cosmic Wars saga. Wearing strange costumes to shield their pasty skin from the moonlight.

[The Battousai]

Kent Brockman: Thousands of fans have shown up for the midnight screening of the latest installment in the Cosmic Wars saga. Wearing strange costumes to shield their pasty skin from the moonlight.

Worst Cosmic Wars EVER. I will only see it three more times.

[cjblair]

Worst Cosmic Wars EVER. I will only see it three more times.

Least you got the joke, I was expecting 3 dozen wtf!

[The Battousai]

Least you got the joke, I was expecting 3 dozen wtf!

"Oh, Jar-Jar - forget the others. I'll always love you..."

[Cagefighterkip]

Worst Cosmic Wars EVER. I will only see it three more times.

Three more times. TODAY.

[The Battousai]

Three more times. TODAY.

Oh yeah - haven't seen it in a while - tend to stay away from the more recent seasons... :O

[Cagefighterkip]

Oh yeah - haven't seen it in a while - tend to stay away from the more recent seasons... :O

i can watch any simpsons any times...
but the first 8seasons are the best.....

[The Battousai]

i can watch any simpsons any times...
but the first 8seasons are the best.....

My favorite seasons are 3-9, but I also like the next few seasons ending with 13. The first couple were alright, but too Bart-centric for me. The new seasons since 13 have slowly lessened in quality of comedy, although there are some episodes worth watching. I've seen some horrifyingly bad ones, though... :csad:

[Cagefighterkip]

My favorite seasons are 3-9, but I also like the next few seasons ending with 13. The first couple were alright, but too Bart-centric for me. The new seasons since 13 have slowly lessened in quality of comedy, although there are some episodes worth watching. I've seen some horrifyingly bad ones, though... :csad:

the newer ones are moderately entertaining...

[The Battousai]

the newer ones are moderately entertaining...

The last time I sat down and watched a new one I counted all of the decent or good jokes throughout the entire episode. I think it came out to four or five - and it was obvious when they were expecting a laugh from a not-so-great joke, too :csad: It was the Sideshow Bob episode in Italy

[Cagefighterkip]

The last time I sat down and watched a new one I counted all of the decent or good jokes throughout the entire episode. I think it came out to four or five - and it was obvious when they were expecting a laugh from a not-so-great joke, too :csad: It was the Sideshow Bob episode in Italy

vendetta!
vendetta!

lol... im not really picky, i though it was funny even though i know it sucked...

[The Battousai]

vendetta!
vendetta!

lol... im not really picky, i though it was funny even though i know it sucked...

I'm mostly disappointed that the quality is so much less than it was considering the greatness of the early seasons of the Simpsons and the genius of Futurama - it's like they're hardly trying anymore

[The Battousai]

vendetta!
vendetta!

lol... im not really picky, i though it was funny even though i know it sucked...

Th thing that made me outright hate that episode was the reveal of Bob's prison jumpsuit - "I mean, really..."