Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[bkey]

^ Ah yeah Mike Hill, thanks J

[Mister J]

:up:

BOF must have changed over that link, because the staging of the piece is no longer there. You can get a decent look at the 'before' and 'after' at Mike's site though. He actually posts here.

http://www.mikehillart.com/news.htm
http://www.batman-on-film.com/interview_mike-hill_heath-joker-bust_3-3-08.html

Look at me, turning a Two Face discussion into something Joker related. Oh my. :o :joker:

[CaptainClown]

It doesn't look like Heaths Joker at all to me. I don't know why everyone else sees it. Oh well maybe I am crazy..or all of you are..

[bkey]

Get back on topic!






haha. kidding

[CaptainClown]

Harvey Dent two-face...I hope they have a scene where he is on a date with Rachel. Then the waiter asks if he wants soup or salad, to which Harvey flips a coin.

[bkey]

Haha that would be awesome

[Mister J]

They've gotta incorporate the coin somehow before the acid hits the flesh. Not anything large or heavy-handed, but some reference.

[Dark Sentinel]

Harvey Dent two-face...I hope they have a scene where he is on a date with Rachel. Then the waiter asks if he wants soup or salad, to which Harvey flips a coin.

I like that idea! It could be good comic relief too, as if Harvey looks at Rachel and says "Which do you want?" and she sais "I don't know," to which Harvey jokingly flips his lucky coin. Course, many of us in the audience know how significant this is :hoboj:

[Carnotaur3]

Just got an email:

THE DENTMOBILES ARE HITTING THE ROAD!

Cross-Country Tour of Campaign Bus Continues As Thousands of Dent Supporters March, Rally For The One Man Who Can Save Gotham!

Check the updated schedule at http://www.ibelieveinharveydent.com/ontheroad.aspx to see if a Dentmobile is coming to your neighborhood.
Dent’s challenge to Gotham to show their desire for change has been met with a city-wide explosion of activism, with thousands of supporters organizing rallies, meet-ups, petition drives, and posting signs and placards in every neighborhood. Check out some of the best photos and videos at http://www.ibelieveinharveydent.com/youinaction.aspx (http://www.ibelieveinharveydent.com/youinaction.aspx) .
Dent is expected to make his decision whether to run for Gotham District Attorney within weeks and your support does make a difference!

**Special Alert**
For those of you who can get down to Rockefeller Center tomorrow morning between 6 and 9 am, there’s a very good chance your friends might be able to see you on a certain morning television show.

Spread the word. Make an impression! Let’s get creative in demonstrating our support!

Take Back Gotham!

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Awesome they'll be on the Today Show I'll watch

[Silvertone16]

http://www.ibelieveinharveydent.com/ontheroad.aspx

Sweeeeet. Who's gonna be at the Chicago stuff tomorrow??

[Dark Sentinel]

Just got an email:


THE DENTMOBILES ARE HITTING THE ROAD!



Cross-Country Tour of Campaign Bus Continues As Thousands of Dent Supporters March, Rally For The One Man Who Can Save Gotham!


Check the updated schedule at http://www.ibelieveinharveydent.com/ontheroad.aspx to see if a Dentmobile is coming to your neighborhood.
Dent’s challenge to Gotham to show their desire for change has been met with a city-wide explosion of activism, with thousands of supporters organizing rallies, meet-ups, petition drives, and posting signs and placards in every neighborhood. Check out some of the best photos and videos at http://www.ibelieveinharveydent.com/youinaction.aspx (http://www.ibelieveinharveydent.com/youinaction.aspx) .
Dent is expected to make his decision whether to run for Gotham District Attorney within weeks and your support does make a difference!

**Special Alert**
For those of you who can get down to Rockefeller Center tomorrow morning between 6 and 9 am, there’s a very good chance your friends might be able to see you on a certain morning television show.

Spread the word. Make an impression! Let’s get creative in demonstrating our support!

Take Back Gotham!



schweetness

[cjblair]

Just got it too, one of those times I wish I was an American, lucky bastards.

[cjblair]

They've gotta incorporate the coin somehow before the acid hits the flesh. Not anything large or heavy-handed, but some reference.

I must confess Mister J, I have been lurking around these boards for a long time, and I haven't seen your work. But you clearly have the runs on the board, posts whatever. I believe that TLH would be the best way, maybe an alcoholic father angle, Nolan would work it in somehow. There is a rumor of a bar scene where he uses the coin. Asked if he was dead he says "Half".

[Jesster32388]

I'm going to the Gainsville dentmobile stop I think. It's a day before my birthday and it would be a sweet way to start it off and it's not to far from where I'll be. Hope I get the time to go

[Farren]

Harvey Dent two-face...I hope they have a scene where he is on a date with Rachel. Then the waiter asks if he wants soup or salad, to which Harvey flips a coin. rofl - that would be so win :up:

[cjblair]

I'm going to the Gainsville dentmobile stop I think. It's a day before my birthday and it would be a sweet way to start it off and it's not to far from where I'll be. Hope I get the time to go

Can you get some pics? Upload them?

[Jokers_Wild]

They've gotta incorporate the coin somehow before the acid hits the flesh. Not anything large or heavy-handed, but some reference.

I would love a scene with Harvey sitting in a city council meeting, or business meeting or something...and he just pulls it out of his pocket, kinda of looking at it in a weird way, and then moving it with his fingers.

[selinakyle415]

http://www.ibelieveinharveydent.com/ontheroad.aspx

Sweeeeet. Who's gonna be at the Chicago stuff tomorrow??



I'm going to try to go to the 4-6pm. Unfortunately, I already heard from typeorocks that the one from this morning at LaSalle was broken up by cops.

[DeaDheaD]

I'm going to try to go to the 4-6pm. Unfortunately, I already heard from typeorocks that the one from this morning at LaSalle was broken up by cops.
A "DA's" rally getting broken up by the cops is hilarious.

[selinakyle415]

Oh yeah...

Chicagoans, On Saturday, March 15th after 5pm, look out for another Harvey Dent-mobile! My friends and I are doing some campaigning of our own, and we're filming it as well!

Support us supporting Harvey Dent! :woot:

[selinakyle415]

A "DA's" rally getting broken up by the cops is hilarious.


I agree. I guess that the campaign bus had people giving out stickers, fliers, t-shirts, and buttons, and they started holding up picket signs and yelling, and the cops decided that the fun was over. They were only there for five minutes. But they did say that they were going to be at the other locations.

[DeaDheaD]

Wonder if one of the rally supporters said "Ya see, this is the police corruption we're fighting" Then they get maced or beaten.

[selinakyle415]

Wonder if one of the rally supporters said "Ya see, this is the police corruption we're fighting" Then they get maced or beaten.

That would definitely prove their point.

With all of this campaigning that's going on (including the one that my buddies and I want to do), I had a thought.
--Not all the people in the US know who Harvey Dent is. With the red, white, and blue banners, the picketing, and his name everywhere, people (who live under rocks, at least) are going to start to believe that he's in the presidential election. So, when they register, it would be hilarious if they were all looking for "Harvey Dent" to vote for.

[Dark Sentinel]

haha thats awesome...i have total respect for the police, but sometimes they can be a bit dense :hoboj:

[Cagefighterkip]

Updated! MORNING TV SHOW Harvey Dent viral coverage!!! Rockefeller Center!!! Read here! (http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/news/1687/exclusive-chicago-police-break-up-harvey-dent-viral-marketing-campaign-for-the-dark-knight#comment-953)

the police suck anyways :whatever:

[L3G3NDK1LLER]

I just got back from the Rally near Cincinnati. We walked around forever looking for them, and caught them near an escalator in the mall...we signed our names, got t shirts, buttons, stickers and had just signed a release form to be on the website, but...Mall security booted them just before they snapped the pic. The whole time walking to their van the guys were like, "see, this is why we need Harvey...the man is just keeping us on to the ground..." great experience all around i must say...

[ERVysther]

Hey - my wife & I were at the Kenwood Mall today as well - thanks to the great group of young people who were kind enough to save us a few "Elect Harvey Dent" stickers - we were there to celebrate my dad's 68th birthday as well and missed the boat a bit for obvious reasons - sorry, ya' just don't leave your dad hanging there while you go looking for a movie marketing depot!

...so, KUDOS whomever you are!

Thanks for your consideration and kindness!

...and whoever cracked wise about he Dent van being chased away by a bunch of clowns in blue suits made my day! :grin:

BTW, did WB every consider getting permits for this? Might have led to a bit more success, don'tcha think?????

[The Joker_1000]

haha thats awesome...i have total respect for the police, but sometimes they can be a bit dense :hoboj:


I hate the police.

[cjblair]

New Interview with Bale might be worth watching:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4532&Itemid=99

[Figs]

New Interview with Bale might be worth watching:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4532&Itemid=99


LOL, I know he is trying to watch his words and not reveal any spoilers...but it makes him look like he's spacing out on drugs.

[MattBearPig]

New Interview with Bale might be worth watching:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4532&Itemid=99


That was soooo unintentionally hilarious.

[Mr. Superhero]

New Interview with Bale might be worth watching:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4532&Itemid=99
That is nigh-on the best interview I have ever seen.

Is he f*****g drunk or something??!

[Van Petrol]

New Interview with Bale might be worth watching:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4532&Itemid=99

On a sidenote.....

If you listen closely to Maggie Gyllenhaal being interviewed behind Bale, she confirms Rachel is now the girlfriend of Harvey Dent.

Just to add a bit more confirmation. :up:

[Loneranger]

Have you guys seen these videos? Just another indication of how huge this movie is gonna be!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1zgDzi6GDE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onywxg1nO3Q

[Asgard]

Here's a nice story on Aaron Eckhart taken from a celebrity gossip site.

#2 This good looking B list film actor who is making an awful mistake if the recent stories of his love life are true is the subject of this mini kindness. A teacher was walking through the lobby of a building when he spotted our actor waiting for the elevator. The teacher is a high school teacher and he recognized the actor immediately. He approached him and said, "Hi, I'm a big fan of yours and I show your movie (fill in the blank) to my high school Government classes." The actor shook his hand and thanked him and then asked why he would show his students that movie. And this is where the teacher could tell our actor was a decent human being. The elevator opened up, actor looked at it, looked back at the teacher and said, "There will be another one. Tell me about your class." The teacher explained what the movie brought to his students and they spent another ten minutes talking with our actor saying he might have enjoyed his Government classes when he was in school, if only he'd had such a teacher.

Aaron Eckhart
Thank You For Smoking

[Keyser Soze]

Wow, Aaron Eckhart sounds like a stand-up guy.

[TNC9852002]

New Interview with Bale might be worth watching:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4532&Itemid=99
Jesus...Bale was on another universe in that interview..

-TNC

[TNC9852002]

Have you guys seen these videos? Just another indication of how huge this movie is gonna be!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1zgDzi6GDE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onywxg1nO3Q
This is nuts! :wow: :wow:

-TNC

[Symbiotic]

New Interview with Bale might be worth watching:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4532&Itemid=99Wow. Bale uh... huh.

[TNC9852002]

Um.....well,......it's....not........uh......well, .......For us.......it's like a great....thing..........

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-TNC

[Carnotaur3]

I liked what he said about Terminator 4.

[The Joker_1000]

I don't really feel like watching the interview, can someone sum up what he said? Thanks.

[Mr. Superhero]

I don't really feel like watching the interview, can someone sum up what he said? Thanks.
Trust me, the hilarity cannot be explained. It's pure gold.

Basically, Bale is trying immensely to dodge all of the questions, which, in of itself, already creates a comic scenario...

[The Joker_1000]

So, they're questions about TDK? Is he trying to avoid giving away too much info on the movie or something?

[Mr. Superhero]

So, they're questions about TDK? Is he trying to avoid giving away too much info on the movie or something?
Just a bit!

[cjblair]

Just a bit!

He's in character, playing the "dumb" Bruce Wayne.

[The Joker_1000]

Just a bit!


:grin:

[Heisenberg]

New Interview with Bale might be worth watching:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4532&Itemid=99
It's not working? Anyone else having this problem?

[Mr. Superhero]

It's not working? Anyone else having this problem?
Click on the red "IESB VIDEO" icon. You will be redirected to another page, then wait for the video to load.

[Heisenberg]

I know, but i just get the IESB 2 second video-logo playing over and over when it buffers.

[JackBauer24]

It's not working? Anyone else having this problem?


Yeah I was using firefox and it didn't work for me. Try switching to IE.

[bestever23]

:brucebat:ok now seeing Bale talking, he's not going to make another batman movie without Nolan

And Batman 3 won't have Heath,Seems Nolan won't and now Bale

We won't see Batman on Film for a very long time

I really don't care about terminator without Arnold and If Bale can make something out of it,I'm happy for that
but ever since he joined terminator it was a big set back for nolans batman universe

bale you're still my fav batman and my fav actor out now
but please come back for the third nolan one (if nolan comes back)

[Gianakin_]

:brucebat:ok now seeing Bale talking, he's not going to make another batman movie without Nolan

And Batman 3 won't have Heath,Seems Nolan won't and now Bale

We won't see Batman on Film for a very long time

I really don't care about terminator without Arnold and If Bale can make something out of it,I'm happy for that
but ever since he joined terminator it was a big set back for nolans batman universe

bale you're still my fav batman and my fav actor out now
but please come back for the third nolan one (if nolan comes back)

What are you talking about?

[Symbiotic]

:brucebat:ok now seeing Bale talking, he's not going to make another batman movie without Nolan

And Batman 3 won't have Heath,Seems Nolan won't and now Bale

We won't see Batman on Film for a very long time

I really don't care about terminator without Arnold and If Bale can make something out of it,I'm happy for that
but ever since he joined terminator it was a big set back for nolans batman universe

bale you're still my fav batman and my fav actor out now
but please come back for the third nolan one (if nolan comes back)Wow. Not one bit of positivity.

[Heisenberg]

Yeah I was using firefox and it didn't work for me. Try switching to IE.
Thanks.

"We will... create... our own... world..."

:hyper: LMAO. Damn, he was really out there in that interview.

[Keyser Soze]

Where is all the panic about Bale coming from? The guy does a dozy interview (one of a career filled with them), and suddenly everyone's all like "OMGZ HE HATES BATMAN HE WANTS OUT!!!!!"

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Damn it takes people very little to freak out.

[tekken]

wow that interview was awesome.

[GoogleMe94]

And Batman 3 won't have Heath


no, it will have hershey.

[lollycop]

If the movie comes out in 2012 thats plenty of time for Bale to make his film.

[cerealkiller182]

Bales always been pretty resilient towards Bats. He turned down once before (and Bond). I remember an interviewer bring up the fact that he was a fan fave for both and he said he didnt want to be typecast, and now everytime he does a movie and tries to continue a career of range in genres and acting, people have to tack on that question at the end of every interview:"What's up with Batman?" Hes prolly burned out on the whole subject.

[dbombmo]

how can you make that assumption that there won't be a 3rd batman?
i think chris is still shaken up over heath's death as many of us still are so
it's going to be some time. if there was going to be a 3rd, it wouldn't be for
like 3 years. i think that after he see's the affect TDK has and how great
the fans think it is, he will keep going hopefully :-)

i can't wait

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

They'll be a third Batman, no matter if Nolan and Bale comes back or not. WB's gonna strkie while the iron is hot. I'm not saying I like the idea, but I'm sure it will happen either way.

[regwec]

I like the idea. If TDK isn't as good as expected, then another director with a new approach will be needed; if it is as good as expected, then it will be very difficult for Nolan to top, so a new director with a different approach will be needed.

[theShape]

I like the idea. If TDK isn't as good as expected, then another director with a new approach will be needed; if it is as good as expected, then it will be very difficult for Nolan to top, so a new director with a different approach will be needed.


I agree. When the film's released, Nolan will probably be extrememly pleased with how it turned out, as will fans and audiences. I'm sure it will be better than Begins (which isn't hard), and rather than try to come back and top it, he'll step down and hand the reigns to someone else.

This is what Sam Raimi should have done after Spider-man 2. Instead, he stayed on and gave us a big letdown.

[Crook]

I'd rather Nolan finish his initial trilogy arc before stepping down. I'm sure TDK will be good and all, but I also want the Two-Face story to be dealt with, and possibly more villains.

[theShape]

I'd rather Nolan finish his initial trilogy arc before stepping down. I'm sure TDK will be good and all, but I also want the Two-Face story to be dealt with, and possibly more villains.

I'd certainly like to see him finish it out, but it's hard for a director to strike gold three times. We've seen directors fail before when making the third film in a trilogy (Francis Ford Coppola, anyone?). Plus, it's very hard when a directors loses interest to make a good film, and I feel like Nolan will be ready to move on after TDK.

[Crook]

The difference is Nolan had mapped out a direction for all 3 films. All the examples you've mentioned so far, were directors writing the story as each sequel was greenlit.

[Dirt Like Me]

Money talks.

If TDK is the hit it looks like it will be, then WB will pony up enough cash to keep Nolan and Bale on board. Making a ton on blockbusters will let both guys make some pet projects, too.

[regwec]

Directors and actors who are paid huge sums to maintain a project with which they have lost interest are not a friend to audiences.

[Dirt Like Me]

I'm not sure they've lost interest.

I think any statements dismissing a third Nolan Batman movie might just be posturing for negotiating purposes. For example, why would Nolan speak out against the Justice League movie if he was losing interest in Batman?

(I also remember Bale saying that TDK opened up some new possibilities for a third movie, too.)

[Mr. Superhero]

I think that Nolan will return for the third installment. I mean, why did the guy choose to be a film director? Because he enjoys making films.

When all TDK hysteria has died down a few months after its release, and Nolan has gone on a month's break or so; he'll start to miss it. He'll come back, refreshed, and raring to write the last installment of the "trilogy".

If you absolutely love doing something, but then take a break from doing that "something", you'll always end up coming back, teething to get back to it. It's the same with any hobby.

After a short while, Nolan will start to miss working on the Batman films, and will most definitely return to making them. It's human nature, basically.

[theShape]

I think that Nolan will return for the third installment. I mean, why did the guy choose to be a film director? Because he enjoys making films.

When all TDK hysteria has died down a few months after its release, and Nolan has gone on a month's break or so; he'll start to miss it. He'll come back, refreshed, and raring to write the last installment of the "trilogy".

If you absolutely love doing something, but then take a break from doing that "something", you'll always end up coming back, teething to get back to it. It's the same with any hobby.

After a short while, Nolan will start to miss working on the Batman films, and will most definitely return to making them. It's human nature, basically.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, Nolan loves making films, but I'm not so sure that he's the kind of guy that likes being tied down to one genre, or character, for that matter. His hobby isn't making Batman films only. It's making films, and it's not as if he'd be abandoning that all together.

There are probably plenty of projects he would like to pursue. Same goes for Bale. He definitely doesn't want to be synonymous with Batman for the rest of his career.

[ArmsHeldOut]

I'm hoping that The Dark Knight matches and maybe even exceeds my expectations. In the event of such a victory, my desire for Nolan and Bale to come back and finish the trilogy will be a given. With that stated, it will certainly be somewhat difficult for Nolan to top TDK with a third film devoid of the magic surrounding the former. Of course, simply dishing out the same level of quality and commitment (that has been Nolan's trademark) for the finale will suit me just fine.

New blood will come in time, but not just yet ..

:brucebat:

[Crook]

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, Nolan loves making films, but I'm not so sure that he's the kind of guy that likes being tied down to one genre, or character, for that matter. His hobby isn't making Batman films only.

Do you not think this popped into his head when he pursued and signed to do Batman films(s)?

[regwec]

Do you not think this popped into his head when he pursued and signed to do Batman films(s)?
That's right- this is why all marriages last forever, as well.

[Crook]

The post I was referring to just does not coincide with that analogy, reg. Stay out. :cmad:

[Cagefighterkip]

That's right- this is why all marriages last forever, as well.

lol
touche'

[The Battousai]

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, Nolan loves making films, but I'm not so sure that he's the kind of guy that likes being tied down to one genre, or character, for that matter. His hobby isn't making Batman films only. It's making films, and it's not as if he'd be abandoning that all together.

There are probably plenty of projects he would like to pursue. Same goes for Bale. He definitely doesn't want to be synonymous with Batman for the rest of his career.

If he indeed is the kind of director who doesn't like doing films of the same genre over and over again, why would he have made two Batman movies rather than one? Perhaps he views these movies as any other project of his; that he utilizes outer elements of story-telling and themes to make them stand out from one another and in their corresponding genre.

[theShape]

Do you not think this popped into his head when he pursued and signed to do Batman films(s)?

That's right- this is why all marriages last forever, as well.

Exactly. Nolan signed on to do Begins in 2003. It is now 2008, and the next Batman film would probably be released around 2011, almost ten years after he started work on Begins. As I said, I'm sure he'd rather not be tied down and there are plenty of other projects he'd like to work on. His career is just heating up.

[Crook]

That might have some relevance if Batman is the only thing he's been working on for the decade. As the Prestige proved, it's possible to work on other projects in-between.

It's not like we're asking him to make 10 films here. After TDK, he has one more to go, and he's basically free to do what he wants. You still didn't answer why he would sign on for a franchise knowing full well this would be a multi-film project for him. He's even quoted as saying that he pitched THREE films to WB. That was his own accord, that wasn't mandated by the studio. Clearly he wasn't planning a one-shot and leaving.

[Mr. Superhero]

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, Nolan loves making films, but I'm not so sure that he's the kind of guy that likes being tied down to one genre, or character, for that matter. His hobby isn't making Batman films only. It's making films, and it's not as if he'd be abandoning that all together.

There are probably plenty of projects he would like to pursue. Same goes for Bale. He definitely doesn't want to be synonymous with Batman for the rest of his career.
Well, take Batman Begins, for example. Nolan made that film, without intending to make any sequels. Yet, after all the hysteria and publicity had died down, Nolan started work on a second one.

The guy obviously enjoyed working on Begins a heck of a lot. Sure, it will take time for Nolan to start "missing" working on the Batman films, but it will sink in, sooner or later. It really isn't something that can be explained; it's just human nature. If you enjoy producing penciled illustrations of Batman-related characters, but had a break for a month or two, you'd come back, full of enthusiasm and totally refreshed.

[DieSmiling]

After watching that Bale interview, I have no idea why people seem to think he isn't going to be interesting in coming back. I mean, he said nothing to that extent and he's under contract. People are making something out of nothing.

[thejon93]

I've always had this on my mind, if Two-Face was revealed in the trailer, how would you like it to happen(sequence wise)? This is an idea I had a while ago where Two-Face flips his coin into the air and through it's reflection you can clearly see his face in full. That would be my idea, what's yours?

[theShape]

That might have some relevance if Batman is the only thing he's been working on for the decade. As the Prestige proved, it's possible to work on other projects in-between.

It's not like we're asking him to make 10 films here. After TDK, he has one more to go, and he's basically free to do what he wants. You still didn't answer why he would sign on for a franchise knowing full well this would be a multi-film project for him. He's even quoted as saying that he pitched THREE films to WB. That was his own accord, that wasn't mandated by the studio. Clearly he wasn't planning a one-shot and leaving.

Nolan signed on to do Begins because it was his first chance to direct a big blockbuster film, which I'm sure he'd always wanted to do. He has since done that...twice with Begins now. And he didn't necessarily sign on to make more than one film. In interviews, he has stated that he had no intentions to do a sequel whatsoever, but the idea of taking on the Joker drew him in to do the film (I'll try to find that quote if you deem it necessary). I'm extrememly happy that he did choose to return to make TDK, but this does not guarentee that he will direct another sequel.

He didn't pitch three films to WB. I think you are confusing that with reports that he and Goyer wrote a treatment for a three-story arc, which Goyer has been quoted saying.

All I'm saying is that these blockbusters are long, exhausting projects, and it's easy to lose interest in them. With TDK, it looks like he was able to do something different than what he did with Begins, but will he be up to doing that against with a third film? There's a definite possibility tyat he won't be...

[DieSmiling]

Nolan signed on to do Begins because it was his first chance to direct a big blockbuster film, which I'm sure he'd always wanted to do. He has since done that...twice with Begins now. And he didn't necessarily sign on to make more than one film. In interviews, he has stated that he had no intentions to do a sequel whatsoever, but the idea of taking on the Joker drew him in to do the film (I'll try to find that quote if you deem it necessary). I'm extrememly happy that he did choose to return to make TDK, but this does not guarentee that he will direct another sequel.

He didn't pitch three films to WB. I think you are confusing that with reports that he and Goyer wrote a treatment for a three-story arc, which Goyer has been quoted saying.

All I'm saying is that these blockbusters are long, exhausting projects, and it's easy to lose interest in them. With TDK, it looks like he was able to do something different than what he did with Begins, but will he be up to doing that against with a third film? There's a definite possibility tyat he won't be...

IMO that stuff about only planning on doing Begins is BS director rhetoric. Nolan definitely planned on doing more than one movie.

[theShape]

Well, take Batman Begins, for example. Nolan made that film, without intending to make any sequels. Yet, after all the hysteria and publicity had died down, Nolan started work on a second one.

The guy obviously enjoyed working on Begins a heck of a lot. Sure, it will take time for Nolan to start "missing" working on the Batman films, but it will sink in, sooner or later. It really isn't something that can be explained; it's just human nature. If you enjoy producing penciled illustrations of Batman-related characters, but had a break for a month or two, you'd come back, full of enthusiasm and totally refreshed.

This is true. However, is it definite that he will feel the same way about doing a third film? Not at all. He's already signed on for another film after TDK, and for all we know, he could have a dozen other projects in mind.

I'd love to have him back for a third film, but I've accepted the possibility that his run might be ending with TDK.

[Mr. Superhero]

This is true. However, is it definite that he will feel the same way about doing a third film? Not at all. He's already signed on for another film after TDK, and for all we know, he could have a dozen other projects in mind.

I'd love to have him back for a third film, but I've accepted the possibility that his run might be ending with TDK.
I think it's anything but "definite"; I just don't see any reason why Nolan would be against constructing the final leg of a brilliantly orchestrated tripod.

Stress levels? He'd endure the same amount of stress working on other projects, I am sure -- part and parcel of film-making. Culture? Nolan seems to enjoy the culture of working on Batman films, so I don't see why he'd suddenly shine away from it. Boredom? How working on a Batman can be "boring" I do not know...

All in all, I just don't see any logical reason as to why Nolan would suddenly walk away from Batman.

[theShape]

I think it's anything but "definite"; I just don't see any reason why Nolan would be against constructing the final leg of a brilliantly orchestrated tripod.

Stress levels? He'd endure the same amount of stress working on other projects, I am sure -- part and parcel of film-making. Culture? Nolan seems to enjoy the culture of working on Batman films, so I don't see why he'd suddenly shine away from it. Boredom? How working on a Batman can be "boring" I do not know...

All in all, I just don't see any logical reason as to why Nolan would suddenly walk away from Batman.

The answer to that is simple: He could be getting tired of making Batman films. He wouldn't be the first director to have stepped down from a franchise after one or two films, rather than to finish out a series. It happens, it's life. As I've said, these are long projects (I'd say roughly two years per movie) which can be tiring, especially for a director has has SO much to control. It wouldn't be out of boredom, but more for the desire to do something else. Yes, he can make one film in between each Batman, but he's at the point in his career where he is in demand, and there might be great projects he would be missing out on if he did a third Batman.

There are plenty of reasons why Nolan wouldn't want to direct a third installment, just as there are plenty of reason as to why he'd want to return.

[The Battousai]

I love being ignored :woot::up:

[Mr. Superhero]

The answer to that is simple: He could be getting tired of making Batman films. He wouldn't be the first director to have stepped down from a franchise after one or two films, rather than to finish out a series. It happens, it's life. As I've said, these are long projects (I'd say roughly two years per movie) which can be tiring, especially for a director has has SO much to control. It wouldn't be out of boredom, but more for the desire to do something else. Yes, he can make one film in between each Batman, but he's at the point in his career where he is in demand, and there might be great projects he would be missing out on if he did a third Batman.

There are plenty of reasons why Nolan wouldn't want to direct a third installment, just as there are plenty of reason as to why he'd want to return.
Well, only time will tell. Both of us are making pretty baseless assumptions. Sure, there have been directors who have walked away from a particular genre (i.e., Bryan Singer and X-Men), while at the same time there have been directors who have run the coarse (i.e., Sam Raimi and Spider-Man, George Lucas and Star Wars).

I can see both sides of the argument, actually...because I understand the unpredictability of human nature. Only time will tell...

[theShape]

Well, only time will tell. Both of us are making pretty baseless assumptions. Sure, there have been directors who have walked away from a particular genre (i.e., Bryan Singer and X-Men), while at the same time there have been directors who have run the coarse (i.e., Sam Raimi and Spider-Man, George Lucas and Star Wars).

I can see both sides of the argument, actually...because I understand the unpredictability of human nature. Only time will tell...

And we haven't even seen the film yet. It could be received poorly, for all we know.

[Mr. Superhero]

And we haven't even seen the film yet. It could be received poorly, for all we know.
I don't think that this will be the case in any way, shape or form, but saying that it's an "impossibility" would be untrue; so, yeah, I suppose...

[theShape]

I don't think that this will be the case in any way, shape or form, but saying that it's an "impossibility" would be untrue; so, yeah, I suppose...

Yeah, I know. This looks to surpass Begins in nearly every aspect, but I'm just saying. I wouldn't be surprised, because anything can happen these days.

[theShape]

I love being ignored :woot::up:

I love ignoring you :woot::up:

[Mr. Superhero]

Yeah, I know. This looks to surpass Begins in nearly every aspect, but I'm just saying. I wouldn't be surprised, because anything can happen these days.
Tell ya', I'd be deeply surprised if TDK sucked. I'm anticipating it to be an absolute piece of cinematic genius.

[theShape]

Tell ya', I'd be deeply surprised if TDK sucked. I'm anticipating it to be an absolute piece of cinematic genius.

Same here. I'd also be deeply disappointed because of how much time I spent on here getting hype up for it. That's how I felt after Spider-man 3 came out. I spent a year discussing it, building it up, seeing all kinds of scintilating news reports and pictures, only to be disappointed by a lousy film. I still enjoy it, being a big Spidey fan and all, but it was a disappointment.

However, I have faith that TDK will not fall into that category. :up:

[Mr. Superhero]

Same here. I'd also be deeply disappointed because of how much time I spent on here getting hype up for it. That's how I felt after Spider-man 3 came out. I spent a year discussing it, building it up, seeing all kinds of scintilating news reports and pictures, only to be disappointed by a lousy film. I still enjoy it, being a big Spidey fan and all, but it was a disappointment.

However, I have faith that TDK will not fall into that category. :up:
Yeah, I was tempted to make a Spider-Man 3 reference, but I'm absolutely convinced that TDK will be nothing like that. Christopher Nolan directing a film is a seal of quality, for me...

[Crook]

Sure, there have been directors who have walked away from a particular genre (i.e., Bryan Singer and X-Men)
That case is a lot less B&W. Technically he did walk away, but he was kinda forced to after Fox was taking forever to greenlight a third film.

Singer has been quoted as saying that he did want to finish his story, if Fox had just waited after SR.

[theShape]

Yeah, I was tempted to make a Spider-Man 3 reference, but I'm absolutely convinced that TDK will be nothing like that. Christopher Nolan directing a film is a seal of quality, for me...

The fact that it does, in fact, look so different than Begins gives me great hope. He could have just copped out like other directors and given us more of the same as what we saw in Begins, but it looks like Nolan has given us a newer, sleeker world for Batman. Even watching the prologue doesn't feel like it's coming from the same director as Batman Begins, which is a good thing, IMO.

[Mr. Superhero]

That case is a lot less B&W. Technically he did walk away, but he was kinda forced to after Fox was taking forever to greenlight a third film.

Singer has been quoted as saying that he did want to finish his story, if Fox had just waited after SR.
Well, you obviously know more about it than I do, but I'm sure you get the gist of my point.

[Mr. Superhero]

The fact that it does, in fact, look so different than Begins gives me great hope. He could have just copped out like other directors and given us more of the same as what we saw in Begins, but it looks like Nolan has given us a newer, sleeker world for Batman. Even watching the prologue doesn't feel like it's coming from the same director as Batman Begins, which is a good thing, IMO.
The man is a genius. He truly understands cinema -- probably not on the same level as Scorsese or Kubrick, for example, but that's due to the fact that he's a completely different type of director. "The Dark Knight" has a fast-paced feel to it, judging by the trailer and IMAX prologue. It's very symbolic: Begins was something of a warm-up, and TDK is going to be real deal -- it's going to be thing "we've been waiting for" -- the denotative purpose behind the warm-up, if you will.

Not many sequels have achieved this, IMO -- bar "The Empire Strikes Back".

[The Battousai]

I love ignoring you :woot::up:

What's your problem, exactly? :dry:

[theShape]

What's your problem, exactly? :dry:

Ingoringitis. It's a disease.

[theShape]

The man is a genius. He truly understands cinema -- probably not on the same level as Scorsese or Kubrick, for example, but that's due to the fact that he's a completely different type of director. "The Dark Knight" has a fast-paced feel to it, judging by the trailer and IMAX prologue. It's very symbolic: Begins was something of a warm-up, and TDK is going to be real deal -- it's going to be thing "we've been waiting for" -- the denotative purpose behind the warm-up, if you will.

Not many sequels have achieved this, IMO -- bar "The Empire Strikes Back".

Yeah, it's not uncommon for directors to take a step backwards when making a sequel, but it seems that Nolan has done everything in his power to deliver a film that is superior to Begins.

[The Battousai]

Ignoringitis. It's a disease.

Hm. Pity - I've had the same from time to time...

[Carnotaur3]

Yeah, it's not uncommon for directors to take a step backwards when making a sequel, but it seems that Nolan has done everything in his power to deliver a film that is superior to Begins.

Nolan has always striked me as a director who really tries to improve himself after each movie. Sequel or not.

[cjblair]

Let him do something else, if Nolan gets bogged down in Batman, like Rami did with Spidey, we'll end up with crap like Spider-man 3 or B&R.

[CaptainClown]

I believe nolan is going to do something else after tdk

[The Battousai]

I believe nolan is going to do something else after tdk

Most likely, yes - same goes for many of the actors

[CaptainClown]

it is not like WB owns them all as indentured servants and have to make so many batman movies to buy back their freedom

[Anita18]

it is not like WB owns them all as indentured servants and have to make so many batman movies to buy back their freedom
:lmao:

I think Nolan would want to finish the trilogy - it's something he started and I personally know it would bug me if I started something and someone else finished it. But who knows.

If WB let him do another movie in between, like what The Prestige was, Nolan probably wouldn't get sick of it right away. The Prestige was definitely a smaller movie, but still very good.

[Nightwing1977]

I believe nolan is going to do something else after tdk

Yep. He did The Prestige after BB, of course. It not like he will only do Batman films. :p

[CaptainClown]

Yep. He did The Prestige after BB, of course. It not like he will only do Batman films. :p
I would feel sorry for him if he did. That is a burden no mortal should bare.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

:lmao:

I think Nolan would want to finish the trilogy - it's something he started and I personally know it would bug me if I started something and someone else finished it. But who knows.

Yes sorta agree, get the impression it's less about commercialism with him than a certain other Batman Directer.

[cjblair]

I love being ignored :woot::up:

Ignorance is bliss, I still haven't seen "An Inconvenient Truth".

[The Battousai]

Ignorance is bliss, I still haven't seen "An Inconvenient Truth".

i haven't seen it because I already know everything that's talked about in it :O

[itsthebatman]

I like the idea. If TDK isn't as good as expected, then another director with a new approach will be needed; if it is as good as expected, then it will be very difficult for Nolan to top, so a new director with a different approach will be needed.
So, what you're saying is, 'Nolan out!'

[thejon93]

So, waht you're saying is, 'Nolan out!'
No... no way in hell. If they want to screw up the 'Batman' franchise like they did with the first one, be my guest... actually, don't be:cmad:

[The Joker_1000]

If Nolan is out after this movie or after the third movie, then depending on who is picked up, I may not even bother to watch the other movies.

[bkey]

I honestly don't think Nolan will do more than 3 Batman movies, at least not for awhile.

[LastSunrise1981]

Wasn't it already confirmed that Nolan is going to direct the third Batman film? Since him and Goyer already outlined the trilogy during the production of Batman Begins?

[The Battousai]

Wasn't it already confirmed that Nolan is going to direct the third Batman film? Since him and Goyer already outlined the trilogy during the production of Batman Begins?

Since they've already deviated a great deal from that outline, I doubt that have any bearing on the next movie.

[bkey]

Wasn't it already confirmed that Nolan is going to direct the third Batman film? Since him and Goyer already outlined the trilogy during the production of Batman Begins?

I think he was originally signed for three films, but has an option to opt out if he wants. He always says that he just planned the first, with no intentions of a sequel, and now he says the same about TDK, no plans for a sequel. However, I personally believe that he has a story in mind and as long as TDK does well in theaters, which I'm sure it will, he will stay on for the third film.

[Cagefighterkip]

I think he was originally signed for three films, but has an option to opt out if he wants. He always says that he just planned the first, with no intentions of a sequel, and now he says the same about TDK, no plans for a sequel. However, I personally believe that he has a story in mind and as long as TDK does well in theaters, which I'm sure it will, he will stay on for the third film.

thats how it usually goes unless your name is bryan "i'm going to f**k over X-Men" singer

[GoogleMe94]

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[Cagefighterkip]

Let him do something else, if Nolan gets bogged down in Batman, like Rami did with Spidey, we'll end up with crap like Spider-man 3 or B&R.

spidey 3 wasnt perfect but no need to hastily compare it to B&R...

[Gianakin_]

Plus, WB probably won't interfere with BB3, like Sony and Arad did with SM3.

[Nightwing1977]

I honestly don't think Nolan will do more than 3 Batman movies, at least not for awhile.

I think he will be back. It most likely he won't do a 4th one if that were to happend, but part 3 is very likely. I hope he does return for part 3 so he can close the chapter on his Batman films. :)

[bkey]

I think he will be back. It most likely he won't do a 4th one if that were to happend, but part 3 is very likely. I hope he does return for part 3 so he can close the chapter on his Batman films. :)

Thats what I'm saying. I'm sure he'll be back for the third, but just not for a 4th, 5th, and so on.

[Cagefighterkip]

Thats what I'm saying. I'm sure he'll be back for the third, but just not for a 4th, 5th, and so on.

if there is a 4th or 5th

[Banquet]

if there is a 4th or 5th

last I heard we are still waiting for the second :/

[Cagefighterkip]

last I heard we are still waiting for the second :/

exactly

[bkey]

if there is a 4th or 5th

I don't think there will be more than 3 in this continuity. Trilogys seem to be the most popular for films these days. Its also probably best for the "Batman" franchise in general. After *hopefully* the third Nolan film, WB can take a decade off, and let a new director and team take the helm, so that we can get a new interpretation of Batman and his world on film, not that theres anything wrong with Nolan's films, they are the best Batman films IMO, but its always good to switch things up and see new and maybe even better interpretations.

[cerealkiller182]

I don't think there will be more than 3 in this continuity. Trilogys seem to be the most popular for films these days. Its also probably best for the "Batman" franchise in general. After *hopefully* the third Nolan film, WB can take a decade off, and let a new director and team take the helm, so that we can get a new interpretation of Batman and his world on film, not that theres anything wrong with Nolan's films, they are the best Batman films IMO, but its always good to switch things up and see new and maybe even better interpretations.

I disagree. Eventually you'll find yourself running in circles chasing your tail getting a rehash of stories in new styles. I dont think a new style is worth seeing the origin of Batman and Joker and Twoface revisited over and over which is the most likely scenario.

[bkey]

I disagree. Eventually you'll find yourself running in circles chasing your tail getting a rehash of stories in new styles. I dont think a new style is worth seeing the origin of Batman and Joker and Twoface revisited over and over which is the most likely scenario.

I don't think they should keep doing origin stories. Maybe sometime down the road have a continuity with a veteran actor playing an older, more experienced Batman. Maybe have some less "realistic movies", exploring villians like Clay Face, or Killer Croc. Or maybe some new interpretations of characters like the Riddler or Mr. Freeze.

[Banquet]

I don't think they should keep doing origin stories. Maybe sometime down the road have a continuity with a veteran actor playing an older, more experienced Batman. Maybe have some less "realistic movies", exploring villians like Clay Face, or Killer Croc. Or maybe some new interpretations of characters like the Riddler or Mr. Freeze.

Or maybe start introducing other heroes to the big screen... they have iron man coming out soon, justice league, and hulk, again. They will probably just keep branching out... and I really couldn't hope for more than that. :up:

[bkey]

Or maybe start introducing other heroes to the big screen... they have iron man coming out soon, justice league, and hulk, again. They will probably just keep branching out... and I really couldn't hope for more than that. :up:

I'm really not into the whole Justice League idea that they have right now, pretty much because they have c-list actors, a so-so director, and to me its infringing on Nolan's Batman movies, and Singer's Superman. If these two characters weren't included I would probably be fine with it. I think they should wait a few more years until BB3 and MOS come out, hire some decent actors, including older versions of Batman/Bruce Wayne and Superman, and get an established director. This would help the movie IMO, instead of having these no-names they have cast now.

Also, I think it would be awesome to see a Captain America movie, as well as stand alones for Green Lantern, Aquaman, and The Flash. I would also love to see some new Spiderman movies in the future. I know I'm switching between DC and Marvel, but oh well.

[byte19]

CAPTAAAIN PLAAAANET!!!!!
dude, seriously? :)

[bkey]

CAPTAAAIN PLAAAANET!!!!!
dude, seriously? :)

****, Captain America I meant. wow. Now that was a typo.

[Banquet]

I'm really not into the whole Justice League idea that they have right now, pretty much because they have c-list actors, a so-so director, and to me its infringing on Nolan's Batman movies, and Singer's Superman. If these two characters weren't included I would probably be fine with it. I think they should wait a few more years until BB3 and MOS come out, hire some decent actors, including older versions of Batman/Bruce Wayne and Superman, and get an established director. This would help the movie IMO, instead of having these no-names they have cast now.

Also, I think it would be awesome to see a Captain America movie, as well as stand alones for Green Lantern, Aquaman, and The Flash. I would also love to see some new Spiderman movies in the future. I know I'm switching between DC and Marvel, but oh well.

I'd really like to see green lantern on screen, too... though it would take a heck of a lot of special effects to make it look good...

[Banquet]

CAPTAAAIN PLAAAANET!!!!!
dude, seriously? :)

Captain Planet, now HE'S a hero! :woot:

[TheBatman072]

Ah! You got glass in my eye!


And my foot in your balls!


Robot Chicken fans will get that.

[Cagefighterkip]

Ah! You got glass in my eye!


And my foot in your balls!


Robot Chicken fans will get that.

hellz yeah :) lol

[Keyser Soze]

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I'm SICK of these cut-rate shills who pimp out HollywoodChicago.com ALL THE TIME. They do it on the Hype. They do it on iMDB. I'm SICK of it. They NEVER have real news. You click on the links, and it's old, uninformative fluff, and the site loads your computer with spyware. Somebody needs to stop this crap. Did I mention I'm sick of it?

[Prefix]

Tell us how you feel, Keyser Soze.

[Franky4Fingers]

I don't think they should keep doing origin stories. Maybe sometime down the road have a continuity with a veteran actor playing an older, more experienced Batman. Maybe have some less "realistic movies", exploring villians like Clay Face, or Killer Croc. Or maybe some new interpretations of characters like the Riddler or Mr. Freeze.

Or maybe do what Bale thought was a possiblity when doing Batman Begins, and that was a possible sequel with a more sin city feel to it.

[bkey]

Or maybe do what Bale thought was a possiblity when doing Batman Begins, and that was a possible sequel with a more sin city feel to it.

Yeah, I think a Batman with a style similar to Sin City and 300 would be awesome.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Thats what I'm saying. I'm sure he'll be back for the third, but just not for a 4th, 5th, and so on.

Im almost positive he wont come back for more than a third. His lifelong dream as a director is not to do Batman films his whole life.

[MarkJK1441]

I don't understand why people are so afraid the Nolan wont be back for a third film. there is a chance he won't come back, but it is prolly very small. There would be no reason for him to try and set up a third film story with two face if he had no intentions of returning for the third installment.

[CaptainClown]

Anything is possible. After TDK Christopher Nolan might decide that being a director doesn't make him happy, so he begins the practice of becoming a Franciscan Monk. Anything is possible, but that is highly improbable.

[The Battousai]

Anything is possible. After TDK Christopher Nolan might decide that being a director doesn't make him happy, so he begins the practice of becoming a Franciscan Monk. Anything is possible, but that is highly improbable.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w160/backtothefront88/jafarteeth-1.jpg

[Cagefighterkip]

I don't understand why people are so afraid the Nolan wont be back for a third film. there is a chance he won't come back, but it is prolly very small. There would be no reason for him to try and set up a third film story with two face if he had no intentions of returning for the third installment.

even if he doesn't theres a world of respectable directors out there, lots who would do a good job... i aint worried (though considering X3, Blade 3, Superman 3, Batman Forever etc i should be)

[cjblair]

My theory is that the Joker burns Dent, this is based on the casting slides. I understand that these may be faked by the Nolan brothers. But the slides about the bank job are very similar to the prologue that was screened with IAL. One slide shows a character named Rossi taking to a prosecutor, obviously Dent. It appears that Dent has struck a deal with this Rossi, namely he will testify that a 'Salvatore Maroni' is the head of the Falcone crime family.

Rossi doesn't play the game and confesses instead to being the head of the Mob in Gotham, Dent wants him declared hostile. Hostile witness basically means you're witness is saying what they told you they would, and you want permission from the judge to cross examine. Rossi promised to say, under oath, that Maroni was the head of the family. But he does it deliberately to jack off Dent. Rossi then says cryptically 'I'll show you hostile'. At which time I happily assume he produces the acid.

Now we now from the teaser trailer that Bruce, by extension the good guys, think that the Joker is working for the mob; Maroni. That he acts on their behalf, infact we know he stole the money to hold them to ransom. I believe that Bats captures him, Joker then thinks Dent is Bats or he just hates him. We know that he shows up at a Dent fund raiser to kidnap Rachel, probably for being Dent's girlfriend. Either way he's gunning for him. Most of this is conjuncture but I wanted to put it on the table.

I also posted the Goyer quote a while back about the Joker scarring Dent, but people still believe it's Maroni who does the deed. Then two face kills the Joker, Eckhart said that his 2Face kills people for a reason. He is like, in my opinion, a more aggressive version of Batman. SO I thought I'd make my position clear. If any one else has any counter theories please respond, its nearly July...:word:

The slide is below:

INT. COURTROOM, SUPERIOR COURT -- DAY

Rossi takes a SIP of water. The PROSECUTOR approaches.


PROSECUTOR With Carmine Falcone in Arkham, someone must've stepped up to run the so-called family
(Rossi nods)
Is this man in the courtroom today? (Rossi nods again)
Could you identify him for us, please?

The Prosecutor turns to the defendant, smiles.


ROSSI You win, counselor. It was me.

The Prosecutor's smile disappears. He turns back to Rossi.


PROSECUTOR Say again?

ROSSI
I'll say it how many times you want. I'm the guy.

PROSECUTOR
Mr. Rossi, I'm confused...

ROSSI
Must be dumb then, huh?

PROSECUTOR
Need the court remind you that you are under oath?

ROSSI
Nope. I'm good.

PROSECUTOR
I've got a sworn statement from you that this man, Salvatore Maroni, is the new head of the Falcone crime family.

ROSSI
Maroni? He's a fall guy. I'm the brains of the organization.

LAUGHS from the gallery. The PROSECUTOR turns to the JUDGE.


PROSECUTOR Permission to treat the witness as hostile?

ROSSI
Hostile? I'll show you hostile.

[Juggernaut33]

My theory is that the Joker burns Dent, this is based on the casting slides. I understand that these may be faked by the Nolan brothers. But the slides about the bank job are very similar to the prologue that was screened with IAL. One slide shows a character named Rossi taking to a prosecutor, obviously Dent. It appears that Dent has struck a deal with this Rossi, namely he will testify that a 'Salvatore Maroni' is the head of the Falcone crime family.

Rossi doesn't play the game and confesses instead to being the head of the Mob in Gotham, Dent wants him declared hostile. Hostile witness basically means you're witness is saying what they told you they would, and you want permission from the judge to cross examine. Rossi promised to say, under oath, that Maroni was the head of the family. But he does it deliberately to jack off Dent. Rossi then says cryptically 'I'll show you hostile'. At which time I happily assume he produces the acid.

Now we now from the teaser trailer that Bruce, by extension the good guys, think that the Joker is working for the mob; Maroni. That he acts on their behalf, infact we know he stole the money to hold them to ransom. I believe that Bats captures him, Joker then thinks Dent is Bats or he just hates him. We know that he shows up at a Dent fund raiser to kidnap Rachel, probably for being Dent's girlfriend. Either way he's gunning for him. Most of this is conjuncture but I wanted to put it on the table.

I also posted the Goyer quote a while back about the Joker scarring Dent, but people still believe it's Maroni who does the deed. Then two face kills the Joker, Eckhart said that his 2Face kills people for a reason. He is like, in my opinion, a more aggressive version of Batman. SO I thought I'd make my position clear. If any one else has any counter theories please respond, its nearly July...:word:

The slide is below:

INT. COURTROOM, SUPERIOR COURT -- DAY

Rossi takes a SIP of water. The PROSECUTOR approaches.


PROSECUTOR With Carmine Falcone in Arkham, someone must've stepped up to run the so-called family
(Rossi nods)
Is this man in the courtroom today? (Rossi nods again)
Could you identify him for us, please?

The Prosecutor turns to the defendant, smiles.


ROSSI You win, counselor. It was me.

The Prosecutor's smile disappears. He turns back to Rossi.


PROSECUTOR Say again?

ROSSI
I'll say it how many times you want. I'm the guy.

PROSECUTOR
Mr. Rossi, I'm confused...

ROSSI
Must be dumb then, huh?

PROSECUTOR
Need the court remind you that you are under oath?

ROSSI
Nope. I'm good.

PROSECUTOR
I've got a sworn statement from you that this man, Salvatore Maroni, is the new head of the Falcone crime family.

ROSSI
Maroni? He's a fall guy. I'm the brains of the organization.

LAUGHS from the gallery. The PROSECUTOR turns to the JUDGE.


PROSECUTOR Permission to treat the witness as hostile?

ROSSI
Hostile? I'll show you hostile.


I don't think so. See these slides were used to screen test actors. We all know that Heath Ledger didn't test for the role, neither did Aaron Eckhart. So why would they test Ledger or Eckhart. No I think Rosi is Rosi. Someone tested for the part of Rosi.

[StorminNorman]

My theory is that the Joker burns Dent, this is based on the casting slides. I understand that these may be faked by the Nolan brothers. But the slides about the bank job are very similar to the prologue that was screened with IAL. One slide shows a character named Rossi taking to a prosecutor, obviously Dent. It appears that Dent has struck a deal with this Rossi, namely he will testify that a 'Salvatore Maroni' is the head of the Falcone crime family.

Rossi doesn't play the game and confesses instead to being the head of the Mob in Gotham, Dent wants him declared hostile. Hostile witness basically means you're witness is saying what they told you they would, and you want permission from the judge to cross examine. Rossi promised to say, under oath, that Maroni was the head of the family. But he does it deliberately to jack off Dent. Rossi then says cryptically 'I'll show you hostile'. At which time I happily assume he produces the acid.

Now we now from the teaser trailer that Bruce, by extension the good guys, think that the Joker is working for the mob; Maroni. That he acts on their behalf, infact we know he stole the money to hold them to ransom. I believe that Bats captures him, Joker then thinks Dent is Bats or he just hates him. We know that he shows up at a Dent fund raiser to kidnap Rachel, probably for being Dent's girlfriend. Either way he's gunning for him. Most of this is conjuncture but I wanted to put it on the table.

I also posted the Goyer quote a while back about the Joker scarring Dent, but people still believe it's Maroni who does the deed. Then two face kills the Joker, Eckhart said that his 2Face kills people for a reason. He is like, in my opinion, a more aggressive version of Batman. SO I thought I'd make my position clear. If any one else has any counter theories please respond, its nearly July...:word:

The slide is below:

INT. COURTROOM, SUPERIOR COURT -- DAY

Rossi takes a SIP of water. The PROSECUTOR approaches.


PROSECUTOR With Carmine Falcone in Arkham, someone must've stepped up to run the so-called family
(Rossi nods)
Is this man in the courtroom today? (Rossi nods again)
Could you identify him for us, please?

The Prosecutor turns to the defendant, smiles.


ROSSI You win, counselor. It was me.

The Prosecutor's smile disappears. He turns back to Rossi.


PROSECUTOR Say again?

ROSSI
I'll say it how many times you want. I'm the guy.

PROSECUTOR
Mr. Rossi, I'm confused...

ROSSI
Must be dumb then, huh?

PROSECUTOR
Need the court remind you that you are under oath?

ROSSI
Nope. I'm good.

PROSECUTOR
I've got a sworn statement from you that this man, Salvatore Maroni, is the new head of the Falcone crime family.

ROSSI
Maroni? He's a fall guy. I'm the brains of the organization.

LAUGHS from the gallery. The PROSECUTOR turns to the JUDGE.


PROSECUTOR Permission to treat the witness as hostile?

ROSSI
Hostile? I'll show you hostile.


You are incorrect.

I am not going to use Spoiler Tags - because this is a SPOILERS Forum, BUT it has been stated in several interviews that Maroni scars Dent.

I believe the Casting Sides (which were not fakes - I don't know where that ridiculous idea comes from - some of the dialog was tweaked, but come on) indicate it is probably a Maroni henchman that does it (ironically the role Maroni himself played in comic continuity, I suppose) but it was clearly on Maroni's order.

The Joker did not scar Harvey. Thank goodness.

[cjblair]

You are incorrect.

I am not going to use Spoiler Tags - because this is a SPOILERS Forum, BUT it has been stated in several interviews that Maroni scars Dent.

I believe the Casting Sides (which were not fakes - I don't know where that ridiculous idea comes from - some of the dialog was tweaked, but come on) indicate it is probably a Maroni henchman that does it (ironically the role Maroni himself played in comic continuity, I suppose) but it was clearly on Maroni's order.

The Joker did not scar Harvey. Thank goodness.

That could make sense, Mob thug acting dumb. I suppose it wouldn't make sense to cut a deal with the Joker, if he lives. But if Rossi is a low ranking thug they would cut a deal with him to indite Maroni. Could you send me a link for one of these interview?
Cheers.

[StorminNorman]

That could make sense, Mob thug acting dumb. I suppose it wouldn't make sense to cut a deal with the Joker, if he lives. But if Rossi is a low ranking thug they would cut a deal with him to indite Maroni. Could you send me a link for one of these interview?
Cheers.

I believe it was an interview with Eric Roberts. Aaron Eckhart may of even also stated it at one point. I am sure it was posted here or a Google search away.

Chances are Rossi will be a fairly high ranking, loyal Lt. of Maroni that is willing to give up his life to protect the family. He is willing to attack Harvey Dent, knowing his life is to be spent in prison, but knowing it will prevent Gotham from cleaning up its act. Its really a tale of heroism - if you look at it from a certain perspective.

[cjblair]

I believe it was an interview with Eric Roberts. Aaron Eckhart may of even also stated it at one point. I am sure it was posted here or a Google search away.

Chances are Rossi will be a fairly high ranking, loyal Lt. of Maroni that is willing to give up his life to protect the family. He is willing to attack Harvey Dent, knowing his life is to be spent in prison, but knowing it will prevent Gotham from cleaning up its act. Its really a tale of heroism - if you look at it from a certain perspective.

Is it? In TLH Maroni got three slugs in the chest from the guard, 'Rossi' will probably get the same. Not to add what the new and improved Dent will do to him at the end of the film.

[StorminNorman]

Is it? In TLH Maroni got three slugs in the chest from the guard, 'Rossi' will probably get the same. Not to add what the new and improved Dent will do to him at the end of the film.

I look forward to it greatly.

I am not sure he will die though. It would be hard for Two Face to get him in prison - remember in TLH Harv didn't kill Maroni, Holiday did.

[cjblair]

I look forward to it greatly.

I am not sure he will die though. It would be hard for Two Face to get him in prison - remember in TLH Harv didn't kill Maroni, Holiday did.

True but he killed his assistant, the link for the Roberts interview is:http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=13168493

[The Joker_1000]

So, do you guys think Two-Face dies or goes to Arkham?

[BATS N' HORNETS]

he won't die... he died in BF... this will be different...

i'd like to see a manip, based on what the action figure looked like...


as far as his suit, he's not gonna be very comic-booky because Nolan's world is realistic...

he will dress in whatever a high powered big city attorney wears..

[BATS N' HORNETS]

you don't really want a freddy krueger scarrification... more like an acid burn...

not as if he was burned by flame!

there is a difference!

[The Joker_1000]

Uh, dude, you could've put all of that into one post.

Anywho, he definitely doesn't need scarred skin like Freddy Kreuger, the last thing they need to do is cooy from that.

[sarg2k]

As long as he doesn't look like Tommy Lee Jones I will be happy :yay:

[Cagefighterkip]

As long as he doesn't look like Tommy Lee Jones I will be happy :yay:

you said it, sir! :)

[Nightwing1977]

As long as he doesn't look like Tommy Lee Jones I will be happy :yay:

Yep. I agree with you there. :up:

[cjblair]

Yep. I agree with you there. :up:

TLJ looked like he had his head dipped in a bucket of red paint.

[Nightwatcher11]

What I don't understand is IF Nolan returns for a 3rd how do we know Two Face will be the main villain!? How do we know the whole final scene isnt a nod to another villain? I wont assume anything about the 3rd UNTIL I've seen TDK.

That's my whole thought on Two Face in the third. I'd love to see him in it but there's also tons and tons of villains Nolan could choose to do in a sequel to TDK.

[BATS N' HORNETS]

I'd love to see him in it but there's also tons and tons of villains Nolan could choose to do in a sequel to TDK.

True, but he's kinda already gone on record saying that certain villians, like the Penguin for example, would be difficult to pull off in this realistic world that Nolan is trying to create!

So yeah, we'll see....

[SpiderB]

You are incorrect.

I am not going to use Spoiler Tags - because this is a SPOILERS Forum, BUT it has been stated in several interviews that Maroni scars Dent.

I just want to say something a bit off topic here.

While personally nothing was spoiled for me in your post, it would be courteous to use spoiler tags on major stuff anyway. Just because this is a spoilers forum doesn't mean everybody wants everything spoiled for them. Most people like to be able pick and choose what they want to know. And it takes no time or effort at all to wrap spoiler tags around things.

[LastSunrise1981]

True, but he's kinda already gone on record saying that certain villians, like the Penguin for example, would be difficult to pull off in this realistic world that Nolan is trying to create!

So yeah, we'll see....

As far as villains are concerned I'd like to see Bane(done correctly this time), The Riddler, and possibly Victor Zsaz as a main character too. All three have potential to be something special if they remain true to the characters and don't mess it up.

[Finlandman]

I think that Two Face should be the main baddie in third one, only him, no one else with him. Nolan might be the one, who saves the character of Harvey Dent. Even though he is second best baddie in bat-comics, he is largely unknown. He wasn't in sixties tv show, he isn't in The Batman, and Forever made him equal with the Riddler. People need reminding that he is cool and bad@$$ character!

ps: I was going to add a smiley, but then I noticed that we don't have Two-Face smiley.

[David Rice]

You are incorrect.

I am not going to use Spoiler Tags - because this is a SPOILERS Forum, BUT it has been stated in several interviews that Maroni scars Dent.

I believe the Casting Sides (which were not fakes - I don't know where that ridiculous idea comes from - some of the dialog was tweaked, but come on) indicate it is probably a Maroni henchman that does it (ironically the role Maroni himself played in comic continuity, I suppose) but it was clearly on Maroni's order.

The Joker did not scar Harvey. Thank goodness.

Yes, thank goodness!

[vicariou5]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/6838/thedarkknighttwofacetexwl2.jpg

he won't die... he died in BF... this will be different...

i'd like to see a manip, based on what the action figure looked like...


as far as his suit, he's not gonna be very comic-booky because Nolan's world is realistic...

he will dress in whatever a high powered big city attorney wears..

[MiniBond]

I NEED to know where does this eckhart face comes from (without the scarring)?:huh::cwink:

[SalaciousVC]

My Newest Two-Face Manip!

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x135/symbiote24/GHGHGH.png

[cjblair]

Yes, thank goodness!

I accept with a heavy heart that Maroni, not the Joker, scars Dent. It makes sense that a henchmen does it, after Dent is scarred it seems that Maroni goes free. Maybe the henchman (Rossi) gets shot by the guards, he as a witness is dead. So Dent starts killing the Mob bosses, sorta like what the Holiday killer does.

[Two-Face]

My Newest Two-Face Manip!

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x135/symbiote24/GHGHGH.png

Nice.

[vicariou5]

I NEED to know where does this eckhart face comes from (without the scarring)?:huh::cwink:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5545/3c7v333132594ir9.jpg

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/6838/thedarkknighttwofacetexwl2.jpg

:yay:

[cjblair]

I NEED to know where does this eckhart face comes from (without the scarring)?:huh::cwink:

What'd ya mean? The non scarred face is Eckhart's own, the scarring is taken from the leaked photos of the 2Face Action figure like these below.



http://img184.imagevenue.com/loc218/th_20458_tf2_122_218lo.jpg (http://img184.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=20458_tf2_122_218lo.jpg)http://img46.imagevenue.com/loc703/th_20460_tf1_122_703lo.jpg (http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=20460_tf1_122_703lo.jpg)http://img103.imagevenue.com/loc640/th_20463_dscn2434oe1_122_640lo.jpg (http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=20463_dscn2434oe1_122_640lo.jpg)

[Nightwing1977]

I think that Two Face should be the main baddie in third one, only him, no one else with him. Nolan might be the one, who saves the character of Harvey Dent. Even though he is second best baddie in bat-comics, he is largely unknown. He wasn't in sixties tv show, he isn't in The Batman, and Forever made him equal with the Riddler. People need reminding that he is cool and bad@$$ character!



I concur. Riddler & Bane can work if done right. And make them very smart & sinister, which Schmucker ruined. :cmad:

[cjblair]

I concur. Riddler & Bane can work if done right. And make them very smart & sinister, which Schmucker ruined. :cmad:

He didn't ruin it he simply made it camp, I would loved to have seen him in the 60's series. How can you make such a character camp?

[StorminNorman]

I just want to say something a bit off topic here.

While personally nothing was spoiled for me in your post, it would be courteous to use spoiler tags on major stuff anyway. Just because this is a spoilers forum doesn't mean everybody wants everything spoiled for them. Most people like to be able pick and choose what they want to know. And it takes no time or effort at all to wrap spoiler tags around things.

I never put spoilers in the thread title, but if you venture in to The Dark Knight Spoilers Section and don't accept the fact that if you open a thread about a certain character, you have to expect that there may be something that could spoil an aspect in the movie.

I don't not put spoiler tags simply because its easier - I go out of my way to bold any usernames I use in a post, for crying out loud - I do it out of principal.

[StorminNorman]

I think that Two Face should be the main baddie in third one, only him, no one else with him. Nolan might be the one, who saves the character of Harvey Dent. Even though he is second best baddie in bat-comics, he is largely unknown. He wasn't in sixties tv show, he isn't in The Batman, and Forever made him equal with the Riddler. People need reminding that he is cool and bad@$$ character!

ps: I was going to add a smiley, but then I noticed that we don't have Two-Face smiley.

I like the idea of Nolan creating a universe though. If he made a movie with only one villain - it takes out that life Gotham has. Begins you had several villains running around, in TDK you have several villains running around - in BB3, there needs to be several villains running around.

Some of those villains need to be "freaks", the idea of the transition in Gotham of regular crime to freak crime (and that Batman, for all the good he does, is a catalyst) IS a great story element. It should be brought to film.

While I have no problem with the films MAJOR villain being Harvey (I love the character), he shouldn't be the only villain. Catwoman is almost a must. Joker needs to be present (recast the role - Joseph Gordon-Levitt anyone?) I would love to see a Mad Hatter, or eve one of the more fantastical villains - like Freeze or Ivy or, hell, Clayface.

[cjblair]

While I have no problem with the films MAJOR villain being Harvey (I love the character), he shouldn't be the only villain. Catwoman is almost a must. Joker needs to be present (recast the role - Joseph Gordon-Levitt anyone?) I would love to see a Mad Hatter, or eve one of the more fantastical villains - like Freeze or Ivy or, hell, Clayface.


What about Ngyma? Batman 'Riddler Rising?'

[StorminNorman]

What about Ngyma? Batman 'Riddler Rising?'

Only if Paul Bettany plays him.

[Symbiotic]

Joker needs to be present (recast the role - Joseph Gordon-Levitt anyone?)The only actor I'd want to see replacing Heath.

[The Joker_1000]

Does anyone have a picture of him?

[bullets]

While I have no problem with the films MAJOR villain being Harvey (I love the character), he shouldn't be the only villain. Catwoman is almost a must. Joker needs to be present (recast the role - Joseph Gordon-Levitt anyone?) I would love to see a Mad Hatter, or eve one of the more fantastical villains - like Freeze or Ivy or, hell, Clayface.


I would definately like to see Catwoman , Mr. Freeze , Poison Ivy , and The Riddler .
Ventriloquist would also be good for a cameo.

[mackblack01]

Does anyone have a picture of him?
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060313/060313_JGLevitt_4p.widec.jpg

[mackblack01]

Double post sorry

[SpiderB]

The Riddler could be incredible if done properly. I'd love to see him presented as something similar to the Zodiac Killer (with a little less actual killing on his part, however). I think he has the most potential out of all the villains to fit into Nolan's realistic Bat-world.

As major of a character as Catwoman is, I really have no interest in seeing her. I just don't think she would work well in this series.

[StorminNorman]

The Riddler could be incredible if done properly. I'd love to see him presented as something similar to the Zodiac Killer (with a little less actual killing on his part, however). I think he has the most potential out of all the villains to fit into Nolan's realistic Bat-world.

As major of a character as Catwoman is, I really have no interest in seeing her. I just don't think she would work well in this series.

Riddler could be amazing. Honestly I think I would prefer him to have a role more similar to his The Long Halloween/Dark Victory character over your typical villain. Though more intelligence (TLH/DV Riddler always seemed...a bit off in that regard).

If nothing else,because the Riddler simply isn't that threatening a character.

Honestly, though, if anyone needs to be convince that Riddler could work beautifully in Nolan's Gotham - just picture Paul Bettany in the role. Honestly - splooge worthy.

[Finlandman]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/6838/thedarkknighttwofacetexwl2.jpg

That's very good. Best manip I've seen whole year.

[cerealkiller182]

The Riddler could be incredible if done properly. I'd love to see him presented as something similar to the Zodiac Killer (with a little less actual killing on his part, however). I think he has the most potential out of all the villains to fit into Nolan's realistic Bat-world.

As major of a character as Catwoman is, I really have no interest in seeing her. I just don't think she would work well in this series.

That is a great Riddler idea

[WompuM]

Pretty neat.

[StorminNorman]

As major of a character as Catwoman is, I really have no interest in seeing her. I just don't think she would work well in this series.
She is made for this series.

[Franky4Fingers]

Riddler could be amazing. Honestly I think I would prefer him to have a role more similar to his The Long Halloween/Dark Victory character over your typical villain. Though more intelligence (TLH/DV Riddler always seemed...a bit off in that regard).

If nothing else,because the Riddler simply isn't that threatening a character.

Honestly, though, if anyone needs to be convince that Riddler could work beautifully in Nolan's Gotham - just picture Paul Bettany in the role. Honestly - splooge worthy.

I totally agree that the riddler has major potential in Nolan's universe. He almost reminds me of Nolan himself. They are both very methodical, and they both give off the feeling they have something up their sleeve but you wont know it until you go along and work for it. IDK just my 2 cents, cant see Nolan passing on somebody like this.

[FhFgJg]

The only actor I'd want to see replacing Heath.


The only problem i think with recasting someone like that is you are just going to be basically recasting someone to replace heath ledger and not the joker. I would leave heath's performance as it it and not put the Joker in the third one.

Heck as crazy as it sounds i wouldn't say it's too stupid to put Ra's in part 3 and bring him back. They somewhat hinted to the idea of the Lazarus Pits anyway, but at the same time that could destroy the entire real world take of Batman that has been established.

I say two-face and catwoman.

[MiniBond]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5545/3c7v333132594ir9.jpg



:yay:


YAY thanks !

[StorminNorman]

The only problem i think with recasting someone like that is you are just going to be basically recasting someone to replace heath ledger and not the joker. I would leave heath's performance as it it and not put the Joker in the third one.

Heck as crazy as it sounds i wouldn't say it's too stupid to put Ra's in part 3 and bring him back. They somewhat hinted to the idea of the Lazarus Pits anyway, but at the same time that could destroy the entire real world take of Batman that has been established.

I say two-face and catwoman.

Yes, you are recasting to replace Heath - however I don't see how this is exactly bad...

If they can get an actor that can keep Heath's character - then why not through him in? Joseph Gordon-Levitt is a fantastic actor and bares a great similarity to Heath. He also is a rising actor, so his ego shouldn't prevent him from following Heath's footsteps and not try to make a completely unique character.

I want the joker in Batman 3 - the character deserves it.

[Franky4Fingers]

Yes, you are recasting to replace Heath - however I don't see how this is exactly bad...

If they can get an actor that can keep Heath's character - then why not through him in? Joseph Gordon-Levitt is a fantastic actor and bares a great similarity to Heath. He also is a rising actor, so his ego shouldn't prevent him from following Heath's footsteps and not try to make a completely unique character.

I want the joker in Batman 3 - the character deserves it.

I have to disagree here. I think (from what we have seen and heard so far, and we will find out for sure in July) people have greatly underestimated Heath's interpretation of the Joker here. Heath is a fantatic actor who went through great length to bring such intesity to the role, as stated by his fellow cast mates, and I dont think just any actor can come in and duplicat that. The few that might be able to will then be playing an immitation of the character and that is not something that many people if any want to even try. Let the character go out on top. Too many times does something good get over-played or taken further when they were perfect they way they were. Why risk tampering with such a great preformance when the only goal is not "we are going to take this character to another level" but instead "we need to have great prefomance to even justify bringing this character back not to mention dillute an already iconic portrayal that Heath left us. Im watching the prologue and im sorry I just cannot see Gordon-Levitt duplicating that character.

[StorminNorman]

I have to disagree here. I think (from what we have seen and heard so far, and we will find out for sure in July) people have greatly underestimated Heath's interpretation of the Joker here. Heath is a fantatic actor who went through great length to bring such intesity to the role, as stated by his fellow cast mates, and I dont think just any actor can come in and duplicat that.

I agree, just any actor can't come in and do it. That doesn't mean no actor can do it though, and in there lies the difference.

The few that might be able to will then be playing an immitation of the character and that is not something that many people if any want to even try. Let the character go out on top.

But I think it is foolish to think that no actor can do what Heath did. Heath Ledger was a fantastic actor - one of the best of this generation, but that doesn't make him irreplaceable. Daniel Day Lewis or Johnny Depp could come in and play his Joker, I have no doubt. Joseph Gordon-Levitt, could do it - and wouldn't bring the ego those other two actors could.

Too many times does something good get over-played or taken further when they were perfect they way they were. Why risk tampering with such a great preformance when the only goal is not "we are going to take this character to another level" but instead "we need to have great prefomance to even justify bringing this character back not to mention dillute an already iconic portrayal that Heath left us. Im watching the prologue and im sorry I just cannot see Gordon-Levitt duplicating that character.

You ask why risk tampering a great performance? I don't think anything done by another actor in another movie is going to tamper that performance. I ask you why let a character die simply because the actor played him did? Why limit the character, written with 2 movies in mind, be cut in half? Why not allow an equally talented actor try to give him back to life.

I am not saying Gordon-Levitt is the only actor that could play him - there are others - but to simply dismiss him now is foolish. You would be guilty of the very thing so many were when Heath was cast. I agree, I don't see Gordon-Levitt doing what Heath Ledger did in the Prologue - but, to be fair - I didn't see Heath Ledger doing what Heath Ledger did in the Prologue either.

[sv2]

I don't think most fans want to see The Nolan Universe Joker go on without Ledger.

And Joker wasn't written with 2 movies in mind. I think Goyer just had a rough idea of what he would've done post-Begins if he was in control of the sequels. I doubt that there is a script in any form for #3 yet.

[Crook]

Daniel Day Lewis or Johnny Depp could come in and play his Joker, I have no doubt. Joseph Gordon-Levitt, could do it - and wouldn't bring the ego those other two actors could.
Every single one of those actors are the most humblest in Hollywood. :huh:

[Octoberist]

how are lewis or depp 'ego' centric people?

[StorminNorman]

I don't think most fans want to see The Nolan Universe Joker go on without Ledger.

And Joker wasn't written with 2 movies in mind. I think Goyer just had a rough idea of what he would've done post-Begins if he was in control of the sequels. I doubt that there is a script in any form for #3 yet.

Most fans blindly follow whatever Nolan wants. If Nolan thinks its best to go with the Joker - within 24 hours the majority of the TDK fan boys will shout the sky "Long Live The Joker!".

That is why I really don't care what "most fans" want. I am talking about what is best.

The Joker WAS written with 2 movies in mind. Nolan and Goyer planned out a trilogy - I believe there was some talk of the treatment sent to WB having outlined 2 movies. Nolan can side step all he wants - but he has a trilogy in mind. There may not be a "script" for 3 yet - but there is a story.

[Octoberist]

Most fans blindly follow whatever Nolan wants. If Nolan thinks its best to go with the Joker - within 24 hours the majority of the TDK fan boys will shout the sky "Long Live The Joker!".

That is why I really don't care what "most fans" want. I am talking about what is best.

The Joker WAS written with 2 movies in mind. Nolan and Goyer planned out a trilogy - I believe there was some talk of the treatment sent to WB having outlined 2 movies. Nolan can side step all he wants - but he has a trilogy in mind. There may not be a "script" for 3 yet - but there is a story.

I think the bottom line for me is that...if Dark Knight leaves room for Joker to come back for part 3, I don't want him to be get written out. It's awkard and tacky, and compromises what Nolan and Goyer (if they planned it or not) would like to have initally. It would be a drastic change to the narrative.

It would be like how Nightcrawler didn't come back for X3. something like that.

[StorminNorman]

Every single one of those actors are the most humblest in Hollywood. :huh:

how are lewis or depp 'ego' centric people?

I am not using ego as a bad thing. They are, personally, very humble - but I think they have a lot of respect for their talents.

I am just saying that I don't see an actor like Depp or Day-Lewis just following the lead of another actor, even Heath Ledger. I think they would want to bring their own energy and life to it - which may hurt the continuity of the character.

Personally - I have no objection to it. I used that argument only because the poster above me mentioned how an actor can "tarnish" a character.

[Franky4Fingers]

I agree, just any actor can't come in and do it. That doesn't mean no actor can do it though, and in there lies the difference.



But I think it is foolish to think that no actor can do what Heath did. Heath Ledger was a fantastic actor - one of the best of this generation, but that doesn't make him irreplaceable. Daniel Day Lewis or Johnny Depp could come in and play his Joker, I have no doubt. Joseph Gordon-Levitt, could do it - and wouldn't bring the ego those other two actors could.



You ask why risk tampering a great performance? I don't think anything done by another actor in another movie is going to tamper that performance. I ask you why let a character die simply because the actor played him did? Why limit the character, written with 2 movies in mind, be cut in half? Why not allow an equally talented actor try to give him back to life.

I am not saying Gordon-Levitt is the only actor that could play him - there are others - but to simply dismiss him now is foolish. You would be guilty of the very thing so many were when Heath was cast. I agree, I don't see Gordon-Levitt doing what Heath Ledger did in the Prologue - but, to be fair - I didn't see Heath Ledger doing what Heath Ledger did in the Prologue either.

I do definately agree with you here. My concern is possible detractment of Heath's performance. I say that bc these movies have some continuency to them. If there wasnt any continuency then I would be all for it, or if it was another franchise doing the Joker I would say go for it, but IMO I dont see with the continuency of the franchise the character working out with a meer immittation of Heaths work. I think they can get away with it with Rachel but not a role that is already synonamous(sp) with Ledger. I just think there are too many other characters to explore like the riddler, which we both agreed on, for them to risk this being a problem. Whether Im right or not I have a hunch Nolan probably wont want to recast the part anyway. I think you said the joker will die in this movie...is this confirmed.:huh: I know there was rumors of him being in a third but im not sure this was set in stone either.

[StorminNorman]

I do definately agree with you here. My concern is possible detractment of Heath's performance. I say that bc these movies have some continuency to them. If there wasnt any continuency then I would be all for it, or if it was another franchise doing the Joker I would say go for it, but IMO I dont see with the continuency of the franchise the character working out with a meer immittation of Heaths work. I think they can get away with it with Rachel but not a role that is already synonamous(sp) with Ledger. I just think there are too many other characters to explore like the riddler, which we both agreed on, for them to risk this being a problem. Whether Im right or not I have a hunch Nolan probably wont want to recast the part anyway. I think you said the joker will die in this movie...is this confirmed.:huh: I know there was rumors of him being in a third but im not sure this was set in stone either.

You can't compare the Riddler to the Joker. You can't compare any Bat Villain BUT maybe Catwoman to the Joker. In fact the only other villain you can really compare to the Joker is Lex Luther. The character is far larger than Heath Ledger - if Nolan planned on him being in the third movie (like he did) he should be in it - recast.

The Joker is not going to die in this movie.

Also, you do bring up an interesting point with Rachel Dawes - there is an example of recasting working. Yes, the character is not as large as the Joker - but she was very important in the first movie and seems to be of similar importance in this one. I disagree with the idea that Heath Ledger was more synonymous than Katie Holmes. Most people that saw Batman Begins knew Rachel was played by Holmes - if for no other reason they criticized her.

Again - recasting can and will work.

[Franky4Fingers]

Most fans blindly follow whatever Nolan wants. If Nolan thinks its best to go with the Joker - within 24 hours the majority of the TDK fan boys will shout the sky "Long Live The Joker!".

That is why I really don't care what "most fans" want. I am talking about what is best.

The Joker WAS written with 2 movies in mind. Nolan and Goyer planned out a trilogy - I believe there was some talk of the treatment sent to WB having outlined 2 movies. Nolan can side step all he wants - but he has a trilogy in mind. There may not be a "script" for 3 yet - but there is a story.

I enjoy what Nolan has brought to the franchise and eagerly wait what he has in store wiht TDK, but if this did happen then I would be a little shocked. I would totally disagree with the decision, and when I watch the third movie I would have to go in open minded, but I wont lie it would have to be a very convincing for me to change my mind.

[StorminNorman]

I enjoy what Nolan has brought to the franchise and eagerly wait what he has in store wiht TDK, but if this did happen then I would be a little shocked. I would totally disagree with the decision, and when I watch the third movie I would have to go in open minded, but I wont lie it would have to be a very convincing for me to change my mind.

You, like me are not "most fans" though. I have the same opinion about the Joker not being Permawhite.

[Franky4Fingers]

why did heath have to die. He is making things so complicated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joe Kerr]

why did heath have to die. He is making things so complicated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's Respectful... :whatever:

[Manosman]

If they use the joker in bb3, I think it would be a very small part, and since it is hard to even tell its "ledger" as the joker and the non permawhite thing, i think they could pull off casting another actor possibly the guy from angels in the outfield, and they can even write it into the story having joker in the asylum on meds to make him more sane without make-up on, there are a lot things they can do, but i just dont think he will have that big of a part if they use him in the 3rd. Anyways even if they do recast, it will always be ledger's brilliance that brought the character to life in tdk and he'll be remembered for it forever, like reeve, connery, etc.

[Dirt Like Me]

I think the bottom line for me is that...if Dark Knight leaves room for Joker to come back for part 3, I don't want him to be get written out. It's awkard and tacky, and compromises what Nolan and Goyer (if they planned it or not) would like to have initally. It would be a drastic change to the narrative.

It would be like how Nightcrawler didn't come back for X3. something like that.

I agree completely with this. And I've said it before, but I also think that if the Joker's story isn't completed by the end of TDK, it'd be doing something of disservice to the work that Ledger did to not let that story reach its conclusion.

[Franky4Fingers]

That's Respectful... :whatever:

I respect him and what he's done in his career. I was just simply showing some disappointment in his passing and how it has effected everything, whether its future movies or the effect he had on people who admired him. So lighten up.:whatever:

[Octoberist]

finally...someone appreciate me! LOL!

[Joe Kerr]

I respect him and what he's done in his career. I was just simply showing some disappointment in his passing and how it has effected everything, whether its future movies or the effect he had on people who admired him. So lighten up.:whatever:



You questioned his Death... And Spoke of the dead, as if they were a burden.
Seems pretty disrespectful to me.
So, shut up, and sit down n00b.

PS: i don't wanna hear your 'right to an opinion' rant either.

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End of story...

so go ahead quote me, i've said what i wanted, i'll bypass this little 'Internet feud' and visit another thread...

[Franky4Fingers]

^You do that buddy....spoken like a real winner

[DV8]

jesus . . . that guy really does look a lot like Heath now . . . a far cry from 3rd Rock from the Sun . . . don't know how his chops would hold up next to Heath, though . . . and I'm very, very upset at myself for having not tried to snag a role as an extra in chicago for this movie . . . it's already gauranteed a landmark in the history of cinema

[Franky4Fingers]

jesus . . . that guy really does look a lot like Heath now . . . a far cry from 3rd Rock from the Sun . . . don't know how his chops would hold up next to Heath, though . . . and I'm very, very upset at myself for having not tried to snag a role as an extra in chicago for this movie . . . it's already gauranteed a landmark in the history of cinema

I tried, but unfortunately I lived outside Illinoise and wasnt able to. I live in Indiana btw.

[StorminNorman]

You questioned his Death... And Spoke of the dead, as if they were a burden.
Seems pretty disrespectful to me.
So, shut up, and sit down n00b.

PS: i don't wanna hear your 'right to an opinion' rant either.

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End of story...

so go ahead quote me, i've said what i wanted, i'll bypass this little 'Internet feud' and visit another thread...

I took it as a joke - as should anyone not ridiculously sensitive.

People joke about the dead all the time. Look at Steve Irwin. Look at Henry S. Thompson. Look at Stan Lee.

[StorminNorman]

jesus . . . that guy really does look a lot like Heath now . . . a far cry from 3rd Rock from the Sun . . . don't know how his chops would hold up next to Heath, though . . . and I'm very, very upset at myself for having not tried to snag a role as an extra in chicago for this movie . . . it's already gauranteed a landmark in the history of cinema
JGL is one of the up and coming actors that will be the stars of tomorrow.

Ironically enough, he was in 10 Things I Hate About You.

[DV8]

JGL is one of the up and coming actors that will be the stars of tomorrow.

Ironically enough, he was in 10 Things I Hate About You.

I don't have anything against him, and he looks just like Heath; I've never really seen any of his serious roles though;

couple bottom lines with that, is WB will likely only pick an A-lister or Oscar-caliber actor for the role of a reprised Joker; but I think the actor shouldn't just be replacing Heath's look . . .

they should be looking more for an actor that can pull off a magnificent performance, before anything else.

[JokerLedger]

I'm all for a recast of The Joker because it can work.

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/thelookout.gif
http://entertainmentnow.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/joker.jpg

Resemblance is uncanny.
I've been keeping my eye on JGL lately and I think he can pull off the Joker.
How he does as Cobra Commander is what I'm waiting for.

[cjblair]

I'm all for a recast of The Joker because it can work.

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/thelookout.gif
http://entertainmentnow.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/joker.jpg

Resemblance is uncanny.
I've been keeping my eye on JGL lately and I think he can pull off the Joker.
How he does as Cobra Commander is what I'm waiting for.

I see and Heath's replacement got into this thread how?

[StorminNorman]

I don't have anything against him, and he looks just like Heath; I've never really seen any of his serious roles though;

couple bottom lines with that, is WB will likely only pick an A-lister or Oscar-caliber actor for the role of a reprised Joker; but I think the actor shouldn't just be replacing Heath's look . . .

they should be looking more for an actor that can pull off a magnificent performance, before anything else.

If my reason of liking JGL was based purely on looks - I would agree. The kid, however, has great talent. I think he, like Ledger, is a star waiting to be born.

[cerealkiller182]

I see and Heath's replacement got into this thread how?

Wondering myself, but the idea isnt bad nonetheless

[mackblack01]

I'm all for a recast of The Joker because it can work.

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/thelookout.gif
http://entertainmentnow.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/joker.jpg

Resemblance is uncanny.
I've been keeping my eye on JGL lately and I think he can pull off the Joker.
How he does as Cobra Commander is what I'm waiting for.
Awesome comparaison...But, physically, I think JGL is a lot smaller and younger than Ledger...And seriously, Ledger almost gave everythings he got for this role, could JGL give the same energy to the character?

Sorry...but I doubt it.

[WompuM]

Don't care for this kid.

[gwynplaine]

Awesome comparaison...But, physically, I think JGL is a lot smaller and younger than Ledger...And seriously, Ledger almost gave everythings he got for this role, could JGL give the same energy to the character?

Sorry...but I doubt it.
I agree, not the same league. But JGL is still a good actor, just not as charismatic or powerful as Heath IMO. But back on topic, I wouldn't want to see him as Two-Face either.

[Cagefighterkip]

I agree, not the same league. But JGL is still a good actor, just not as charismatic or powerful as Heath IMO. But back on topic, I wouldn't want to see him as Two-Face either.

The Lookout and Brick proove that hes a worthy successer to Heath as the Joker in #3

[gwynplaine]

The Lookout and Brick proove that hes a worthy successer to Heath as the Joker in #3
It's your opinion and I respect it but since it's a matter of taste it's hard to discuss. But I agree with you he was really good in those two films:up:.

[Cagefighterkip]

It's your opinion and I respect it but since it's a matter of taste it's hard to discuss. But I agree with you he was really good in those two films:up:.

quite true;
its weird watching those after seeing him in 3rd rock from the sun for all those years

[gwynplaine]

quite true;
its weird watching those after seeing him in 3rd rock from the sun for all those years
Yeah you're right, he has become a very interesting actor and probably will keep on surprising us in the future.

[JokerLedger]

I'm willing to bet that he will blow us away as Cobra Commander just like Heath won our hearts as The Joker. Both look alike and both were cast as big baddies who the fans thought was a very questionable choice :)

Anyways... my last comment on the issue. I hate to go off-topic.

[cjblair]

Slowly bringing this back on topic, I know it's hard. But this link might help:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20080324/NEWS/803240308/1002/NEWS

[Cagefighterkip]

Slowly bringing this back on topic, I know it's hard. But this link might help:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20080324/NEWS/803240308/1002/NEWS

sweetness; these are massively entertaining

[BATS N' HORNETS]

JGL's most serious role was a film called Manic... he might be able to pull off the Joker... but he still looks too young... MOVIE MAGIC CAN EASILY OVERCOME HIS YOUTH

[Figs]

Anyone think we might get a quick glimps of Two Face in the next trailer or do you think they'll hold back untill the actual film comes out?

[JokerLedger]

I'm guessing we'll get the back of Two-Face.

[cjblair]

Anyone think we might get a quick glimps of Two Face in the next trailer or do you think they'll hold back untill the actual film comes out?

No 2Face is the main part of the second film, or at least his creation. We've seen the action figure both those pictures were leaked. While we've seen every other action figure including the Joker's goons openly, no blurry shots.

[R_Hythlodeus]

so, any opinions on the new spoiler on the mainpage?

[ActuallyRobin]

so, any opinions on the new spoiler on the mainpage?

*scoots off to look*

[Solidus]

As for Heath being replaced, it is not going to happen, its a pipe dream. I guarantee that Nolan will not recast. From the rumblings from my small sources, the third barley had a cameo with Joker anyways. To me such a small part should not even be recast. Leave the greatness of the Joker in TDK, and focus on Two-Face in part three.

And from the news on the Hype page today I'm not surprised.

It appears that Two-Face is in the movie for about 3 minutes, at the end, setting up for the third. I knew that is how they would go, and I'm glad. Showing that the third will focus purely on Two-Face for the most part. And that is good to hear.