Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[HopeOfTheFuture]

My thoughts:

Harvey's fiancee Rachel will die and Batman was not able to save her. Dent blames Batman for it. Probably she dies by the hands of the Joker, setting up a plot for Two-Face to try to kill the Joker in the end.

Harvey is being scarred by Maroni. He is left to die but survives. Everytime he sees his face he is hurt and is reminded. His face is incredible hurting, causing pain all the time, reminding him of what the gangsters did to him. Constant, never-ending pain that either drives him mad or keeps him going to kill the ones who did this to him. Pain as motivation. No eyelids anymore to wet your left eye. Bone in the open, musscles in the open. Incredible pain that could be the last thing to push you over the edge: going vigilante. Still the Harvey Dent-side is his good side, the scarred site his evil side, 'causing him to flip his coin to make decissions.

In the end of the movie, Two-Face is about to kill someone (Joker for killing his fiancee Rachel?) but Batman and Gordon prevent him from killing this person. This will create his hate towards the police and Batman, making him more of a rough vigilante who is slowly becoming a villain.

[0neW0manSh0w]

agreed

[0neW0manSh0w]

Well, the producer did describe it as "Saturday Night Fever on acid."

That reminds me of the line from Thank You For Smoking -

"You know the guy who can pick up any girl? I'm him...on crack."

Eckhart rules.


agreed!

[krisl]

I think the realistic thing will have to be ignored slightly with the character of Two-Face both if his face is burnt and in bad a shape as the photo suggests or even if it was burnt with acid. Either way you'd have to go through some serious medical procedures, bandaging, skin grafts and recuperation before you could get back out there. Presumably in this film it's a day or two at most.

[Nepenthes]

Well he looks like a reject from an 80's horror movie. I hope it looks very different once he's healed over.

[Micah12345]

Well he looks like a reject from an 80's horror movie. I hope it looks very different once he's healed over.

...what did you expect?

[CrypticOne]

I don't think you guys should trust the toys. Take The Spectacular Spider-Man figures, they turn out to be nothing like the stuff that is featured in the show. Or the SM3 Venom figure, how in that case was purple. I could go on.

I'm on the boat saying the concept art is near what we'll see, myself.

I agree.

People are just going to have to wait until TDK hits theatres to see the final product.

I think we'll get the perfect Two-Face. Just a couple more months.

[PyroChamber]

Well, I've seen it and one thing's for sure...it's realistic alright. And he kind of looks like the movie poster for the movie "Zombie", if there was still hair on the burned side it would be just about perfect.

[Kaizer]

Its possible - But people have also fallen 30 stories and lived to tell. So, probabilities are a whole other story.

Again, without medical care, Dent would die within a week.

I would guess he gets some medical care, like in TLH, then escapes, sets out on his own suicide/revenge-mission, is captured in the end, receives more medical care and gets a more "classic" look by B3, not saying a total new look, but he'll probably have healed some and get a more flesh/pink tone to the scarred side... I dunno.

concerning the whole thing about medical care though, and the fact that he is still wearing the same suit (why wouldn't the hospital people take it off?)... he could escape from the doctors as early on as in the ambulance, before they've managed to take off his clothes...or in the hospital, before he's undressed... OR.... We know Joker blows up the Hospital in TDK, if this happens before Dent's scarring, perhaps there isn't a hospital in the nearby area of his "accident" and they have to resort to more crude, spontaneous medical-assistance, and therefore, he's still wearing the suit and has a better chance of escaping?

[Saint]

I don't care what color he is (as long as it doesn't look completely absurd), but there are some definite differences between most of Two-Face's incarnations and that concept.
Besides the baldness, I'm not sure what you mean. Well, I suppose the crustiness qualifies.

[Kaizer]

Besides the baldness, I'm not sure what you mean. Well, I suppose the crustiness qualifies.

I would guess the "crustiness" and general dryness is something that can make this more attractive to the MPAA, if he were all moist and bloody, they may frown more upon it...just my guess though.

[Nepenthes]

...what did you expect?

are you serious? there's a hundred different ways to realise Two-Face for film. I didn't expect him to look goofy. He looks a cheap haunted house mannequin designed to frighten little kiddies with gore. He reminds me of this guy.



http://media.movieweb.com/news/10.2007/crypt.jpg

[Frank Noir]

I would guess the "crustiness" and general dryness is something that can make this more attractive to the MPAA, if he were all moist and bloody, they may frown more upon it...just my guess though.

I think we can now safely say Dent is scarred by acid, not gasoline/fire. Because fire wouldn't remove his ear or eat through the skin near his mouth, and acid would, right?

[StorminNorman]

are you serious? there's a hundred different ways to realise Two-Face for film. I didn't expect him to look goofy. He looks a cheap haunted house mannequin designed to frighten little kiddies with gore. The design is similair t, and with the same level of effect, as this:



http://media.movieweb.com/news/10.2007/crypt.jpg

I agree. The first thing I thought of.

[Nous]

I'm really dissapointed with that picture. I hope it's just a concept.

But still, even if that's how he's going to look like, it's gonna be interesting to se it in action.

And it's def acid. I think the movie guys said so themselves. And it's quite obvious that it is in my opinion. More of his head should have been burnt if it had been fire.

That wouldn't have made him Two-Face, that would make him Flame-Head. I can see how a guy waving a gun around with his head ablaze would scare a lot of people, but I don't think it would be very....practical. :oldrazz:

[Frank Noir]

I'm really dissapointed with that picture. I hope it's just a concept.

But still, even if that's how he's going to look like, it's gonna be interesting to se it in action.

And it's def acid. I think the movie guys said so themselves. And it's quite obvious that it is in my oppinion. More of his head should have been burnt if it had been fire.

That wouldn't have made him Two-Face, that would make him Flame-Head. I can see how a guy waving a gun around with his head ablaze would scare a lot of people, but I don't think it would be very....practical. :oldrazz:

Ya mean like this:

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2006/07/_files_images_Ghost-Rider_0.jpg

:grin:

[Kaizer]

I think we can now safely say Dent is scarred by acid, not gasoline/fire. Because fire wouldn't remove his ear or eat through the skin near his mouth, and acid would, right?

well, it could be something other than gasoline though, something that kinda sticks to his skin and has that acid-effect when lit on fire.

[Keyser Soze]

Are we really talking about how Two-Face shouldn't be able to talk with his disfigurement, and how he would die if this was the real world? Really?

Whether it be in the comics, the cartoons, or now the movie, the character of Two-Face has always required a bit of suspension of disbelief. I don't see people complaining about The Long Halloween, saying "Oh man, Harvey Dent spends months in the sewers after his disfigurement, he would have picked up a really nasty infection down there, I don't buy it."

It's a movie about a man in a bat costume who fights crime. I think we can survive a little bit of fantasy.

[paranoidboy]

Are we really talking about how Two-Face shouldn't be able to talk with his disfigurement, and how he would die if this was the real world? Really?

Whether it be in the comics, the cartoons, or now the movie, the character of Two-Face has always required a bit of suspension of disbelief. I don't see people complaining about The Long Halloween, saying "Oh man, Harvey Dent spends months in the sewers after his disfigurement, he would have picked up a really nasty infection down there, I don't buy it."

It's a movie about a man in a bat costume who fights crime. I think we can survive a little bit of fantasy.

:applaud
well done that man

[DrFrommeyer]

Are we really talking about how Two-Face shouldn't be able to talk with his disfigurement, and how he would die if this was the real world? Really?

Whether it be in the comics, the cartoons, or now the movie, the character of Two-Face has always required a bit of suspension of disbelief. I don't see people complaining about The Long Halloween, saying "Oh man, Harvey Dent spends months in the sewers after his disfigurement, he would have picked up a really nasty infection down there, I don't buy it."

It's a movie about a man in a bat costume who fights crime. I think we can survive a little bit of fantasy.
I considered authoring a long post going through all the reasons as to why Dent would have died in a matter of days, in graphic detail, and then go on to argue that we need to look past the supposed "realism" and enjoy it for what it is.

But I KNEW you would cut to the chase for me, Keyser. So thank you.

[xwolverine2]

wow two face looks sick!!

[aragen]

BEST TWO-FACE EVER! Kicks the **** out of that Batman killer Schumacher's TF!

:woot:

[Hotwire]

In this film, his wounds are fresh. Provided an infection didn't set in, he would live and heal. So, as long as Two-Face lives through this movie, his appearence should most likely chane in the next film. Chsanging to a more discolored scar tissue type look.

Side note, his speach should be horrible effected by this.

[Nepenthes]

Recently a woman had the entire lower section of her face chewed off by her dog while she slept. from the nose to down around her chin. she woke up and tried to scratch her face and wondered why it was all wet. she survived fine. if you have the stomach for it you can see images of WW1 veterans with entire chunks blown from their skull, gaping holes. their return saw the pioneering of facial reconstruction and plastic surgery. There's no reason to talk 'realism' with Two-Face. instead consider a thought for people who've actually experianced that, about as real as it gets

[Batman jr.]

Some people don't know what they want.

In BF, he was too corny and too far away from the comics.

Now he's dark, and he looks a lot like TLH and it's still not good, because it's too realistic.. AND it's only a concept art-pic.

[Gallagher]

Some people don't know what they want.

In BF, he was too corny and too far away from the comics.

Now he's dark, and he looks a lot like TLH and it's still not good, because it's too realistic.. AND it's only a concept art-pic.

Tis the way of the whiny fan-boy. I for one love this look, very reminisant of TLH.

[Frank Noir]

Some people don't know what they want.

In BF, he was too corny and too far away from the comics.

Now he's dark, and he looks a lot like TLH and it's still not good, because it's too realistic.. AND it's only a concept art-pic.

Tis the way of the whiny fan-boy. I for one love this look, very reminisant of TLH.

My thoughts exactly.

[Kaizer]

the believability of BOF has been discussed to death in this place, but this was posted there monday, don't know if it's been mentioned...

Monday, May 5, 2008

8:49 PM TEXAS TIME: Our insider "Slappy The White Dog" is back with some excellent and interesting insight into today's leak:
“Thought ol' Slappy should sniff his way in with a little insight into what has found its way onto the Net.

It's real, however it's one of the very early concept designs (remember what I reported to you regarding the look of The Joker before that was public knowledge? This image of Two Face is from around the same period of early design tests). Just like the early concept design of The Joker largely informed the final look, it wasn't dead on (i.e. They decided to retain the purple suit rather than the raggedy, pieced together costume, etc), but certain elements carried through to the final screen version (The “Cut Smile“).

In the case of this particular design, it's closer to what you'll see than that early Joker design was, but it's not a good representation of what it looks like on camera (and, as I alluded to above, it's not *exactly* what the screen look is). It's not really what you'll see in the movie, but the general idea is still very much intact.

I don't mean to be overly cryptic, but I know that a lot of people are trying to retain the surprise of the Two-Face look, and this concept art doesn't properly represent what Aaron looks like onscreen.”

So there you go. We won't be as spoiled as we thought we had been when it comes to Two Face.

[ultimatefan]

It´s good to know that that concept is really close, but still we aren´t entirely spoiled towards TF´s look.

[Symbiotic]

Are we really talking about how Two-Face shouldn't be able to talk with his disfigurement, and how he would die if this was the real world? Really?

Whether it be in the comics, the cartoons, or now the movie, the character of Two-Face has always required a bit of suspension of disbelief. I don't see people complaining about The Long Halloween, saying "Oh man, Harvey Dent spends months in the sewers after his disfigurement, he would have picked up a really nasty infection down there, I don't buy it."

It's a movie about a man in a bat costume who fights crime. I think we can survive a little bit of fantasy.Very well said.

[turtlefocker]

Yea seriously shut up about infections, the world realism in connection to comic book films should be banned. BB is NOT realistic.

[Kaizer]

Not by a long shot.

[DANNYSVA]

Saw this posted on another site. Pure speculation, but the timeline would make sense.



"The Joker crashes Dent's engagemnt party to Rachel, in this EPIC scene, and ends up launching her through a window to her death. This is coparable to Barbara Gordon's rape in TKJ. The next major thing that happens is the actual attack on Dent, which leaves him scarred to hell. It's not going to be an acid burn, but instead just a straight flame-burn. The scene in the trailer is gasoline, not acid.


We've all seen the pic of the Joker in the Nurse's outfit in the Hospital. He's there because that is where Harvey was taken for his burns. Its in this scene where Joker delivers the freak like me line, and we see the aforepictured concept burns."

Would this make sense considering the hospital explosion, which could then lead to Harvey's "half" remark?

[blueblazer2]

So will Two Face have that Raspy voice Like he had in the cartoon ?

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Tis the way of the whiny fan-boy. I for one love this look, very reminisant of TLH.

Ya, anything could be done and people would complain regardless.

[Frank Noir]

Saw this posted on another site. Pure speculation, but the timeline would make sense.



"The Joker crashes Dent's engagemnt party to Rachel, in this EPIC scene, and ends up launching her through a window to her death. This is coparable to Barbara Gordon's rape in TKJ. The next major thing that happens is the actual attack on Dent, which leaves him scarred to hell. It's not going to be an acid burn, but instead just a straight flame-burn. The scene in the trailer is gasoline, not acid.


We've all seen the pic of the Joker in the Nurse's outfit in the Hospital. He's there because that is where Harvey was taken for his burns. Its in this scene where Joker delivers the freak like me line, and we see the aforepictured concept burns."

Would this make sense considering the hospital explosion, which could then lead to Harvey's "half" remark?

I still can't see how fire is going to eat away Harvey's ear and the flesh around his mouth. And how the fire will limit itself to only the right side of his face.

[BruceWayne]

I still can't see how fire is going to eat away Harvey's ear and the flesh around his mouth. And how the fire will limit itself to only the right side of his face.

If there's gasoline involved, the fire will just sit on his face like napalm.

[Starbird]

Don't you mean the left side?

[anrrd_2]

so is that pic of twoface for real? i still cant really decide wha i think of it?

[aragen]

So will Two Face have that Raspy voice Like he had in the cartoon ?

That's what I'm wondering too. I hope he does....but not overdoing it.

Actually by looking at the concept pic, I'm guessing he'll have some thing to his voice.

[Ama Zing]

I don't like that they're using fire - I'm just too nostalgically stuck on acid.

[Starbird]

I think Two-Face's voice should be altered, just not to an extreme.

[Infinity9999x]

What, his regular side? I'd assume it works relatively fine. There are people that (for some reason) talk through one side of their mouth, and at worst it sounds a bit slurred. But I doubt Nolan is going for that much realism. It's not gonna bug me if he just talks with a deeper voice.


The Zombie thing I can see with the skin, but I'm not seeing too much Imhotep. They both have f**ked up skin, but that's really the only similarity.
It looks quite a bit like Imhotep actually, just a different color. Especially the jaw area. Imhotep had his top layers of skin decayed away and his jaw muscles (the ones that were still there) were visible. You could see them contracting and moving as he talked.


Two-Face always resembled a skull that happened to have his eyes and parts of skin in tact. It's a basic concept drawn in the comics, and exaggerated here by Nolan. The exposed eye and teeth are still present, it only looks slightly more gruesome. The skin has been the only significant change really.
I wouldn't say a scull really. Usually it looks like a severe burn to his head with slightly more damage to the mouth because the lips are burned away exposing more of the teeth. In this he's been burned down to the bone in some cases. Usually in the comics he still has a few layers of skin and muscle over everything.


I wouldn't say fake, just a visual that you haven't seen before. It fits right in line with the tone of "slightly plausible".

The damage was severely horrid in TLH. His entire face looked like shriveled up strings of meat, lol. In this case, the skin is just charred rather than looking like it was peeled by acid.

Yes, the damage was severe in TLH, but even in that he didn't have bits of bone showing through. The jaw area wasn't as severe either. In TLH his skin was burned away from his mouth, but you still see his gums and some of his cheek. In this concept the cheek is completely gone with only bits of muscle connecting to the teeth.

[The Joker]

I don't care how they scar him, just as long as they get his psychosis and appearance right. And if that pic we saw is genuine, then they've nailed his appearance.

[Infinity9999x]

[COLOR=black]3. He does. The only major differences between this and TLH are the color and the tendons in the jaw. To to the nature of the art and the lack of anatomical detail, it's hard to tell whether we're looking at skin or the muscle beneath it, but whatever it is, it's gnarled and peeling and mutilated beyond recognition.

Well I think the jaw area is a major difference between the two concepts. He still has tissue in his jaw/cheek area in TLH, in this concept it's completely gone. And, as I said to Crook, TLH didn't have bone poking through at points on his face. In this concept almost the entire jaw area is burned down to the bone.

I think someone earlier hit the nail on the head - this design is a shock because we really never saw what Two-Face would really look like in live action. We've only had TLJ's version, which, like it or not, is actually a dead-on literal adaptation of the classic comic look - colorful and broadly reminiscent of Mr. Hyde. But that literal adaptation clearly did not work, so the question is...do you scale it back? Or do you go just as extreme, but in a different direction?

Nolan clearly chose the latter. You can't scale back Two-Face. The mutilation needs to be extreme to justify the character. This is exactly what the character needs. Big and wild and colorful works as deformity on the page - I can buy that it would make this guy snap. Translate that to the real world, and you need an equally powerful, but also different, deformity. That's why the TLJ version didn't work; it was physically dead-on to the page, but in live action, it didn't capture the horror and tragedy of the page. It should be the absolute most horrifying thing you've ever seen. Something that, if that was your face staring back at you in the mirror, your mind would immediately snap. This is pretty darn close to the real world translation of that.

I disagree, I think you could easily find a happy medium for Two Face without going as extreme as Nolan did. What I was expecting was very similar to what we got with a few changes.

I would have made the hole in the jaw half to 3/4ths as big as it is in the concept. I'd want his lips burned away to reveal his teath and some burned gums (to give that constant sneer effect) but I wouldn't have taken out his entire cheek. I also wouldn't have had any bone showing through, or if I did, only a very little piece at the chin. Also I would have gone with more of a slight purple/reddish coloring to the burn, and I would have had the skin textured similar to how Mel Gibson looked in Man Without a Face.

But as I said before, I'm not the one making the movie.

[Keyser Soze]

I don't care how they scar him, just as long as they get his psychosis and appearance right. And if that pic we saw is genuine, then they've nailed his appearance.

One small concern I have comes from a comment by Aaron Eckhart in that LA Times interview:

"The difference between Batman and Two-Face is how far they are willing to go and how they make their point," Eckhart said. "Otherwise, we're talking about vigilante crime-fighting. That's what Batman is all about. He has a strong sense of justice. And Harvey Dent has an extremely strong sense of justice. His fiancée is killed. He's horribly injured. But he is still true to himself. He's a crime fighter, he's not killing good people. He's not a bad guy, not purely."

Could it be that Nolan is removing the split personality aspect from the character, and is instead just making Two-Face be Harvey Dent, but pushed to breaking point?

[Dr.Doom]

what pic of joker in a nurse outfit, cqan someone pm

[BruceWayne]

One small concern I have comes from a comment by Aaron Eckhart in that LA Times interview:

"The difference between Batman and Two-Face is how far they are willing to go and how they make their point," Eckhart said. "Otherwise, we're talking about vigilante crime-fighting. That's what Batman is all about. He has a strong sense of justice. And Harvey Dent has an extremely strong sense of justice. His fiancée is killed. He's horribly injured. But he is still true to himself. He's a crime fighter, he's not killing good people. He's not a bad guy, not purely."

Could it be that Nolan is removing the split personality aspect from the character, and is instead just making Two-Face be Harvey Dent, but pushed to breaking point?


That's what I'm assuming. I'm not an avid comic reader...in fact I'm going to pick up the essenstial Bat-stories this weekend to get caught up....but I always assumed from reading other posts on here that Havery's split personalities was a creation from BTAS and didn't really exist in the comics. I always thought the comics version was Harvey pused over the edge and since there's no going back he just kept going forward.

[Keyser Soze]

I would have made the hole in the jaw half to 3/4ths as big as it is in the concept. I'd want his lips burned away to reveal his teath and some burned gums (to give that constant sneer effect) but I wouldn't have taken out his entire cheek. I also wouldn't have had any bone showing through, or if I did, only a very little piece at the chin. Also I would have gone with more of a slight purple/reddish coloring to the burn, and I would have had the skin textured similar to how Mel Gibson looked in Man Without a Face.

But as I said before, I'm not the one making the movie.

It's interesting you should mention "Man Without A Face", as it raises a point discussed before. I used Freddy Kreuger as the example, but Mel Gibson in that film works too. Between those two characters, and "Heroes", and "The English Patient", and "Vanilla Sky", and even Harry Osborn in "Spider-Man 3" - among many others - that interpretation of burn scarring has become almost old-hat. Filmgoers have become desensitised to it. I get the sense that, to restore that shock and horror that Dent's disfigurement should instill, Nolan and co. have attempted to up the ante, and create something that will disgust and unnerve even us jaded filmgoers.

[Keyser Soze]

That's what I'm assuming. I'm not an avid comic reader...in fact I'm going to pick up the essenstial Bat-stories this weekend to get caught up....but I always assumed from reading other posts on here that Havery's split personalities was a creation from BTAS and didn't really exist in the comics. I always thought the comics version was Harvey pused over the edge and since there's no going back he just kept going forward.

"I am in blood
Stepp'd in so far, that should I wade no more,
Returning would be as tedious as go o'er."

Sorry, the way you worded that there just reminded me of "Macbeth" for some reason. :oldrazz:

But no, the split personality has always been present in the comics. The two sides are often presented as hating each other, and arguing over what action to take. Hence the coin.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Also I would have gone with more of a slight purple/reddish coloring to the burn, and I would have had the skin textured similar to how Mel Gibson looked in Man Without a Face.


That's just not extreme enough. Gibson looked like a typical burn victim. It's terrible, but it's not sanity-shattering.

It should be the most disfigured a human face can be without dying. Something that plastic surgery couldn't easily fix.

[anrrd_2]

IS THIS ***** FOR REAL?!?!?! i saw what a "leaked" twoface pic...was it real?

[The Battousai]

IS THIS ***** FOR REAL?!?!?!:wow:



Remove that from your post if you like being here for the next four months :brucebat:

[DorkyFresh]

edit: nvm

[Keyser Soze]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/ohnoyoudidnt.gif

[The Battousai]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/ohnoyoudidnt.gif

Nice :up:

[anrrd_2]

my bad, i just saw it over on **************.com and didnt know what to think...so its the real deal then?

[Zacky]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/ohnoyoudidnt.gif

lol

[DorkyFresh]

so its the real deal then?

WB tried to pull it from the net as quickly as they could....so that means it's official, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what we're getting. however, we'll probably get something close to that look.

[BruceWayne]

"I am in blood
Stepp'd in so far, that should I wade no more,
Returning would be as tedious as go o'er."

Sorry, the way you worded that there just reminded me of "Macbeth" for some reason. :oldrazz:

But no, the split personality has always been present in the comics. The two sides are often presented as hating each other, and arguing over what action to take. Hence the coin.

Haha, MacBeth? Really??

So then are hardcore fanboys so against the idea of "Big Bad Harv"? If he's always had a history of having MPD, then I would think "Big Bad Harv" would be the frosting on the cake.

[J.O.K.E.R]

I would be quite content with that look. I would personally love to see what Two-Face and the Joker would look like if under the influence of the Scarecrows toxin. Scary ****!

[mehrunis]

in my hones opinion, judging from the leaked picture, that harvey is going to be driven to insanity, i mean wasnt he already fighting false acusations in the VC? and another thought what if the things hes accused of really did happen but since he has DID [dissosociatve identy disorder] they did happen he just didnt know or w.e but like weve been saying...lets just wait =D

[mehrunis]

in my hones opinion, judging from the leaked picture, that harvey is going to be driven to insanity, i mean wasnt he already fighting false acusations in the VC? and another thought what if the things hes accused of really did happen but since he has DID [dissosociatve identy disorder] they did happen he just didnt know or w.e but like weve been saying...lets just wait =D

[mehrunis]

in my hones opinion, judging from the leaked picture, that harvey is going to be driven to insanity, i mean wasnt he already fighting false acusations in the VC? and another thought what if the things hes accused of really did happen but since he has DID [dissosociatve identy disorder] they did happen he just didnt know or w.e but like weve been saying...lets just wait =D

[ActuallyRobin]

Triple post, AWESOME! ;)

[anrrd_2]

Triple post, AWESOME! ;)

the serial corrector strikes again!:woot:

[Keyser Soze]

So nice he said it thrice!

[Zacky]

Triple post, AWESOME! ;)
:hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

[ActuallyRobin]

the serial corrector strikes again!:woot:

Hey, someone's gotta do it!

Back on topic, I was just pondering as to when the Wizard World 'I thought you were dead' moment will appear in the film *ponders*

[Starbird]

Third Times the Charm.

[Starbird]

I think it will.. unless...they'd save it for the 3rd film?

[ActuallyRobin]

I think it will.. unless...they'd save it for the 3rd film?

I think my meaning was unclear :) What I mean was: at what point in the film does that moment happen?

[LiveWire777]

I think my meaning was unclear :) What I mean was: at what point in the film does that moment happen?
Right before the creits roll you think? Would Nolan dare??!! :wow:

[BruceWayne]

Do we know who he's supposed to say it to? I don't remember the name from the sides.

I'm hoping he says it, right before he shoots Maroni in the head...twice. :woot:

[ActuallyRobin]

Right before the creits roll you think? Would Nolan dare??!! :wow:

Probably, the tease!

Do we know who he's supposed to say it to? I don't remember the name from the sides.

I'm hoping he says it, right before he shoots Maroni in the head...twice. :woot:

The 'half dead' line? It wasn't on the sides iirc, was from the Wizard World Chicago footage from last year and I believe it was a barman that said it.

[BruceWayne]

The 'half dead' line? It wasn't on the sides iirc, was from the Wizard World Chicago footage from last year and I believe it was a barman that said it.

Oh that's right. Didn't he shoot whoever asked him that though? I'm suprised that footage was never released to the general public.

[Starbird]

Well....hmmm

Possibly After Dent survives a certain building explosion..and then...goes to the local bar for a drink...:grin:



I think my meaning was unclear :) What I mean was: at what point in the film does that moment happen?

[ActuallyRobin]

Oh that's right. Didn't he shoot whoever asked him that though? I'm suprised that footage was never released to the general public.

No, the footage cut right after Harvey said 'only half' iirc. I think Eric Roberts did mention that:

Two-Face kills him

Or I could be totally wrong o0

[Kaizer]

Right before the creits roll you think? Would Nolan dare??!! :wow:

nah...Nolan doesn't really like cliffhangers as he likes to make one movie at a time, and he's said TDK ends like a movie in it's own right.

[BruceWayne]

Well....hmmm

Possibly After Dent survives a certain building explosion..and then...goes to the local bar for a drink...:grin:

That's the thing....I don't want the creation of Two Face to be from an explosion. I'm really nervous after that Saint Sinner X was on here a couple nights ago saying he had a friend that saw an advanced screening and that his dad was a WB exec or something. So he gave a lot of answers to question people had on the board. One thing he said was that Joker gets himself captured so Dent can interogate him and Joker kicks his arse, leaves him in the police station, and blows it up. I really don't want the Joker to be responsible to his scaring. It's too conveinent and a very "totally saw that coming" moment. I'll leave me fingers crossed that that poster was full of it.

[Starbird]

Ditto. That would idiotic....IMO.

[LastSunrise1981]

That's the thing....I don't want the creation of Two Face to be from an explosion. I'm really nervous after that Saint Sinner X was on here a couple nights ago saying he had a friend that saw an advanced screening and that his dad was a WB exec or something. So he gave a lot of answers to question people had on the board. One thing he said was that Joker gets himself captured so Dent can interogate him and Joker kicks his arse, leaves him in the police station, and blows it up. I really don't want the Joker to be responsible to his scaring. It's too conveinent and a very "totally saw that coming" moment. I'll leave me fingers crossed that that poster was full of it.

I don't see that happening. Eckhart already said that Harvey is disfigured by acid and I think it's Maroni who does it. But it would make sense within the story if Harvey is the one who ends up burning Joker's money, confronting the mob, and so forth. That would explain why he goes after Rachel in a vicious fashion.

[BruceWayne]

I don't see that happening. Eckhart already said that Harvey is disfigured by acid and I think it's Maroni who does it. But it would make sense within the story if Harvey is the one who ends up burning Joker's money, confronting the mob, and so forth. That would explain why he goes after Rachel in a vicious fashion.

In the trailer, I took it as the Joker burning the mobs money. Ever since the prologue leaked online, I always thought the Joker held the mod's money for ransom to make them do what he wanted.

[Mr. Superhero]

I don't see that happening. Eckhart already said that Harvey is disfigured by acid and I think it's Maroni who does it. But it would make sense within the story if Harvey is the one who ends up burning Joker's money, confronting the mob, and so forth. That would explain why he goes after Rachel in a vicious fashion.
Do you know what people's excuse to that is?

Eckhart is referring to comic-book Harvey, as opposed to filmic Harvey.

[Kaizer]

Do you know what people's excuse to that is?

Eckhart is referring to comic-book Harvey, as opposed to filmic Harvey.

Well, he did say in the recent interview that this two-face will look like his face is ripped off with acid (I don''t remember the exact quote). Now, if he means that it'll look LIKE acid and not really acid, is another thing.

[BruceWayne]

Well, he did say in the recent interview that this two-face will look like his face is ripped off with acid (I don''t remember the exact quote). Now, if he means that it'll look LIKE acid and not really acid, is another thing.

I think he was just talking about Harvey the character in general saying, "this is a guy that looks like half of his face had been ripped off or burned with acid."

[LastSunrise1981]

Do you know what people's excuse to that is?

Eckhart is referring to comic-book Harvey, as opposed to filmic Harvey.

Eckhart did say Harvey is disfigured by acid in the movie. I can't remember the exact interview, but he did say it more than once and that they remained true to the Long Halloween story.

But we'll see come July 18th. Either way I'm avoiding all potential Two-Face pictures until I see the actual movie. I want to be surprised by his look.

[LastSunrise1981]

In the trailer, I took it as the Joker burning the mobs money. Ever since the prologue leaked online, I always thought the Joker held the mod's money for ransom to make them do what he wanted.

Yeah, that could also be the case too. Personally I think it would be better if Harvey is the one who ends up burning the mobs money and confronting them. It would be the ultimate concept of him overstepping his boundaries and trying to be too much of a hero in his own right.

[TNC9852002]

I've been staying away from spoilers, but the way I've seen it, Joker is RESPONSIBLE for what happens to Dent, but he isn't the one that actually does the damage. He only sets up the chain of events.

-TNC

[Mr. Superhero]

Eckhart did say Harvey is disfigured by acid in the movie. I can't remember the exact interview, but he did say it more than once and that they remained true to the Long Halloween story.

But we'll see come July 18th. Either way I'm avoiding all potential Two-Face pictures until I see the actual movie. I want to be surprised by his look.
He did? Well, that should settle it, then. Even in the Roker set report thing, Eckhart describes Harvey as a character who is scarred by acid...

[Kaizer]

someone said that "as long as it's Maroni who does the actual deed himself, I'm fine with whatever Joker's involvement would be." (or something like that) and I fully agree.

[BruceWayne]

Yeah, that could also be the case too. Personally I think it would be better if Harvey is the one who ends up burning the mobs money and confronting them. It would be the ultimate concept of him overstepping his boundaries and trying to be too much of a hero in his own right.

I'd rather have something like BTAS where the mob was trying to blackmail Harvey for some kind of dirty little secret. With Eckhart talking about the parallels between Dent and Batman, I think the ultimate concept of overstepping boundaries would for him to actually cross the line and murder someone.

I've been staying away from spoilers, but the way I've seen it, Joker is RESPONSIBLE for what happens to Dent, but he isn't the one that actually does the damage. He only sets up the chain of events.

-TNC

Where have you seen that??

[TNC9852002]

Where have you seen that??
It's just a figure of speech. :p

In other words, it's a conclusion I've drawn from bits and pieces of information I've put together.

-TNC

[Mandalore464]

Could you please stop hiding spoilers with spoiler tags and white font? It's the goddam spoiler boards, we're supposed to write and read spoilers...

I'm fine with a couple of highlightings and co on a page but it's really bothering when 4 messages out of 5 have them and you have to highlight/click them all instead of just reading.

We ARE on the spoilers boards. Just remember.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Alright then.

Batman kills Alfred.

You heard it here first.

[BruceWayne]

Could you please stop hiding spoilers with spoiler tags and white font? It's the goddam spoiler boards, we're supposed to write and read spoilers...

I'm fine with a couple of highlightings and co on a page but it's really bothering when 4 messages out of 5 have them and you have to highlight/click them all instead of just reading.

We ARE on the spoilers boards. Just remember.

It's curtousy to other posters that don't want to see potential MAJOR spoilers. If it's that much of a hassle for you to highlight or click, find another board maybe?

[Kaizer]

who needs the old bastard anyway, right?

[BruceWayne]

Alright then.

Batman kills Alfred.

You heard it here first.

He got sick of all his sarcastic remarks...:oldrazz:

[Mr. Superhero]

Could you please stop hiding spoilers with spoiler tags and white font? It's the goddam spoiler boards, we're supposed to write and read spoilers...
It's a courtesy thing. TDK Spoiler section is a sanctuary for essential Batman debate and discussion. If you hang around in the Non-Section spoiler all day, you will barely find yourself in the middle of a juicy discussion, so this is the answer. This is where people come, and we recognize this. Hence, the use of spoiler tags.

[ActuallyRobin]

yeh, there's a difference between spoilers and SPOILERS, and besides, the non-spoiler forum is a wasteland compared to here so plenty of people visit the spoiler forum anyway since it has the most activity.

[ActuallyRobin]

although i hate the small white text, just use [spoiler] tags :p

[Kaizer]

too convenient IMO

[BruceWayne]

Doesn't say in the "What we know" board that Dent is scarred with acid...and Joker goes to the hospital to finish him off?
Like, Maroni ****s his mouth up with the acid.... and during recovery, Joker bombs the hospital and chars the rest of dents face?

That'd be a little overkill don't you think? we've seen Joker dressed at a nurse inside a hospital with a gun...if he was going to finish Dent off, why wouldn't he just shoot him in the face instead of blowing the hospital up?

There's just so many elements going on in this movie that have leaked one way or another, I can't keep them all set in my head to compile a straight, logical storyline.

[The Guard]

Besides the baldness, I'm not sure what you mean. Well, I suppose the crustiness qualifies.

The baldness. The bone showing through, etc.

[BruceWayne]

The baldness. The bone showing through, etc.

You would think with the lower part of the orbital socket showing through, he'd suffer my eye damage than what was shown in the concept art.

[Mandalore464]

It's curtousy to other posters that don't want to see potential MAJOR spoilers. If it's that much of a hassle for you to highlight or click, find another board maybe?


It's a spoiler board and thus every single message has to be treated as spoilerish. If it's too much of a hassle for people who want to remain spoiler-free to read a SPOILER section with SPOILERS in it, well they should... find another board, maybe?

To all others who answered my message with more respect than this guy, thanks and I know this is all a matter of courtesy, it's just that it sometimes is too much when you have those tags and white font in every single message and I did say I had no problem with a little highlighting here and there.

I just think that one in every message harms the reading. You have to hightlight the argument of a guy, then highlight the message of another guy but you won't know what message he's answering to unless you highlight the portion he quoted etc etc etc and when you just like to lurk around and read like I do, it really IS a bother to go through 3 pages at the speed of a rotten snail cause you spend all your time highlighting the messages AND the quotes.

Now I didn't say you shouldn't use those tags and stuff to hide major spoilers. But a lot of it is not necessary.

If I don't want to know how Two-Face looks and how he gets his face burnt, I'd better stay away from the Dark Knight Spoilers Boards and I'd know it. If a lot of people here did not want to read spoilerish info, there'd probably be more discussion happening in the spoiler-free boards, wouldn't there?

Now it was just a suggestion and I don't mind it at all if you decide to continue this. As long as everyone's fine with it I'll be fine with it.

[BruceWayne]

It's a spoiler board and thus every single message has to be treated as spoilerish. If it's too much of a hassle for people who want to remain spoiler-free to read a SPOILER section with SPOILERS in it, well they should... find another board, maybe?

To all others who answered my message with more respect than this guy, thanks and I know this is all a matter of courtesy, it's just that it sometimes is too much when you have those tags and white font in every single message and I did say I had no problem with a little highlighting here and there.

I just think that one in every message harms the reading. You have to hightlight the argument of a guy, then highlight the message of another guy but you won't know what message he's answering to unless you highlight the portion he quoted etc etc etc and when you just like to lurk around and read like I do, it really IS a bother to go through 3 pages at the speed of a rotten snail cause you spend all your time highlighting the messages AND the quotes.

Now I didn't say you shouldn't use those tags and stuff to hide major spoilers. But a lot of it is not necessary.

If I don't want to know how Two-Face looks and how he gets his face burnt, I'd better stay away from the Dark Knight Spoilers Boards and I'd know it. If a lot of people here did not want to read spoilerish info, there'd probably be more discussion happening in the spoiler-free boards, wouldn't there?

Now it was just a suggestion and I don't mind it at all if you decide to continue this. As long as everyone's fine with it I'll be fine with it.

I didn't mean it to be snotty, just a suggestion if you're THAT against them. I know what your saying and I feel that's the way it should be, but it's not. Its a losing fight to keep spouting that type of thinking....believe me, I've done it before and didn't end well. At the end of the day, it's up to the mods and they've made it pretty damn clear, if you have something to say that might be considered spoilerish, use spoiler tags.

[DrFrommeyer]

Recently a woman had the entire lower section of her face chewed off by her dog while she slept. from the nose to down around her chin. she woke up and tried to scratch her face and wondered why it was all wet. she survived fine. if you have the stomach for it you can see images of WW1 veterans with entire chunks blown from their skull, gaping holes. their return saw the pioneering of facial reconstruction and plastic surgery. There's no reason to talk 'realism' with Two-Face. instead consider a thought for people who've actually experianced that, about as real as it gets

Dog bites and severe burns are totally different. The system shock is different, the infection rates are different... And with Two-Face we're talking about a perpetually exposed and untreated wound. Or so it would appear.

[Starbird]

You need to remember The Joker just doesn't seem too care about anyone. I heard somewhere else that the Joker tries to LURE Gordon and the Police into the Hospital so they would die also.



That'd be a little overkill don't you think? we've seen Joker dressed at a nurse inside a hospital with a gun...if he was going to finish Dent off, why wouldn't he just shoot him in the face instead of blowing the hospital up?

There's just so many elements going on in this movie that have leaked one way or another, I can't keep them all set in my head to compile a straight, logical storyline.

[Marx]

It isn't that hard to use spoiler tags guys! It's just a couple more hits on the keyboard :cwink:

[BruceWayne]

You need to remember The Joker just doesn't seem too care about anyone. I heard somewhere else that the Joker tries to LURE Gordon and the Police into the Hospital so they would die also.

I'm just confused about what blows up. One place I hear the hospital and another place I hear Joker blows up the police station too.

[The Guard]

Both.

And while spoiler tags are nice, the mods haven't exactly made their stance on spoilers here over the years. I agree that if you don't to be spoiled, don't come to a board that for six months has been excessively devoted to uncovering and discussing said spoilers. There are other boards where you can...essentially learn and discuss nothing. There is nothing in this movie so amazing that you knowing about it beforehand will ruin your enjoyment or it's rewatch value. If you're one of those people who can't enjoy a movie if you know the plot points, prior, you probably shouldn't be here.

[inflames]

I'm just confused about what blows up. One place I hear the hospital and another place I hear Joker blows up the police station too.the hospital most definitely does

[BruceWayne]

the hospital most definitely does

That's what I figured because I live in Chicago and know about the building the used for the hospital.

I guess I'm still just caught up on that Saint Sinner X poster a few nights ago that claims he knew the whole plot because his friend, whose dad works at WB, saw an advanced screening. Deep down, I know he's full of it, but I just can't shake it.

[inflames]

That's what I figured because I live in Chicago and know about the building the used for the hospital.

I guess I'm still just caught up on that Saint Sinner X poster a few nights ago that claims he knew the whole plot because his friend, whose dad works at WB, saw an advanced screening. Deep down, I know he's full of it, but I just can't shake it.yea i saw that thread, i never really read anything about anything he said about the movie. I have been lurking and seen pretty much ever spoiler there has been and i still really cant make heads or tails out of whats going to happen with the story, just small pieces of the puzzle here and there lol. but I'll bet that when Joker dress as a nurse is when the hospital goes boom.

[Starbird]

I REALLY hope the Police Station isn't blown away

[BruceWayne]

yea i saw that thread, i never really read anything about anything he said about the movie. I have been lurking and seen pretty much ever spoiler there has been and i still really cant make heads or tails out of whats going to happen with the story, just small pieces of the puzzle here and there lol.

Same here. I have such a low post count for signing up in 2003. I've just been lurking and hitting the FanArt thread to get inspired enough to draw again. I've been following this movie since BB hit theaters and I still have no clue what'll happen storywise.

[Mandalore464]

I didn't mean it to be snotty, just a suggestion if you're THAT against them. I know what your saying and I feel that's the way it should be, but it's not. Its a losing fight to keep spouting that type of thinking....believe me, I've done it before and didn't end well. At the end of the day, it's up to the mods and they've made it pretty damn clear, if you have something to say that might be considered spoilerish, use spoiler tags.


First of all, no hard feelings, I just don't react well to sarcasms when I think I see one and I'm not the one uttering/writing it. So no worries, and my apologies for my misplaced reaction.

Well as I said, if that's the way people want it to be, I'll deal with it just fine. I actually didn't know mods had asked us to use the tags for anything spoiler-related since I never got in trouble for not using them.


I agree that if you don't want to be spoiled, don't come to a board that for six months has been excessively devoted to uncovering and discussing said spoilers. There are other boards where you can...essentially learn and discuss nothing. If you're one of those people who can't enjoy a movie if you know the plot points, prior, you probably shouldn't be here.


Yep that's what I was thinking as well.

[BruceWayne]

I REALLY hope the Police Station isn't blown away

Ditto

[inflames]

i know this is a bit OT but i get the feeling that Joker will have Gotham to it's knees by the time him and batman have the final showdown.

[Marx]

i know this is a bit OT but i get the feeling that Joker will have Gotham to it's knees by the time him and batman have the final showdown.

I would say that's a pretty fair and accurate statement :cwink:

[Saint]

The baldness. The bone showing through, etc.
I guess the missing ear counts, too--not particularly common in the comics. Bone showing through is so minimal I'm not sure I'd even count it. Hair would be nice, if ridiculous. I liked how it was treated in "Face the Face," it initially burns the hair off, like you'd expect, but later it starts growing in white. Still unbelievable, but to a somewhat lesser degree than "It melted my face but just bleached my hair." I just like the white hair.

[inflames]

i wonder if he will only talk through the good side of his face lol, wouldn't all the nerve endings be severed if he were burnt like that?

[bunk]

I remember various people remarking on how the quick shot of Face in the car with the gun from the trailer, has kind of a cg look. I noticed it as well but quickly dismissed the notion.

Now I'm not so sure. With this level of damage to his face, he might possibly be CG'd to get the effect they need with him talking and what not. You got tendons and teeth showing/moving...

[Mr. Superhero]

I remember various people remarking on how the quick shot of Face in the car with the gun from the trailer, has kind of a cg look. I noticed it as well but quickly dismissed the notion.

Now I'm not so sure. With this level of damage to his face, he might possibly be CG'd to get the effect they need with him talking and what not. You got tendons and teeth showing/moving...
It's actually been confirmed that CGI will be applied to Two-Face's scarring.

[inflames]

I trust Nolan won't overuse the CGI he usually never uses that much.

[SheldonLevene]

I don't get why people use spoiler tags in a spoiler forum. That's like downloading porn and then expecting there to be black bars over the offensive parts.

[bkey]

I don't get why people use spoiler tags in a spoiler forum. That's like downloading porn and then expecting there to be black bars over the offensive parts.

Its just out of respect for those who don't want to be majorly spoiled, but still enjoy the discussion and news that is in the spoiler forum, because the non-spoiler forum is pretty slow most of the time.

[DrFrommeyer]

That's like downloading porn and then expecting there to be black bars over the offensive parts.
I'm sure there are several fetish sites devoted to that.

[inflames]

I hope Maroni scars Dent but I get the feeling Joker is going to do it.

[aragen]

I just took a close-up view of the "concept" and thought about the CGI scarring. If that's what it is, well....that could mean the "concept" could be a SCREENCAP! Don't call insane but I looked at the unscarred half and noticed how real Eckart looks. I hope it is. Maybe that's why Warner Bros. is so protective of it.

[bkey]

I hope Maroni scars Dent but I get the feeling Joker is going to do it.

I honestly don't think it will be Joker. From what I know, it still seems completely plausable that it will be Maroni,, or more than likely, one of his minions, namely Rossi.

[Frank Noir]

I don't get why people use spoiler tags in a spoiler forum. That's like downloading porn and then expecting there to be black bars over the offensive parts.

Hahaha, I LOL'd at that. It's been an awful day and I really needed it. :woot:

[inflames]

maybe joker gives Dent to the mob in exchange for something on batman? or something else

[BruceWayne]

I just took a close-up view of the "concept" and thought about the CGI scarring. If that's what it is, well....that could mean the "concept" could be a SCREENCAP! Don't call insane but I looked at the unscarred half and noticed how real Eckart looks. I hope it is. Maybe that's why Warner Bros. is so protective of it.

The clean side looks a little waxy IMO and the hair is throwing me off. I'm sticking with my guns that this was an early concept sculpture. If it was a screencap, I would hope Eckhart has more emotion than what is shown.

[inflames]

I have a feeling its more than just really early, IMO WB gave themselves away when they went into a panic and started having sites take it down, if that wasnt how he will look they would have been better off letting it slide and then everybody would have just thought it was a manip

[SheldonLevene]

I have a feeling its more than just really early, IMO WB gave themselves away when they went into a panic and started having sites take it down, if that wasnt how he will look they would have been better off letting it slide and then everybody would have just thought it was a manip

Agreed. That may not have been what it will look like on film, but it is definitely the basis imo. Once the other elements cg and soforth are added I imagine it will still resemble that picture pretty strongly.

[SheldonLevene]

Hahaha, I LOL'd at that. It's been an awful day and I really needed it. :woot:

Glad I could help.

[Keyser Soze]

Could you please stop hiding spoilers with spoiler tags and white font? It's the goddam spoiler boards, we're supposed to write and read spoilers...

I'm fine with a couple of highlightings and co on a page but it's really bothering when 4 messages out of 5 have them and you have to highlight/click them all instead of just reading.

We ARE on the spoilers boards. Just remember.

I think it's much less of an inconvenience for you to spend one second highlighting something than it would be for those of us not wanting to be majorly spoiled being banished from active discussion for the next 2 months.

[BruceWayne]

I have a feeling its more than just really early, IMO WB gave themselves away when they went into a panic and started having sites take it down, if that wasnt how he will look they would have been better off letting it slide and then everybody would have just thought it was a manip

Yea, but there are a few sites that still have it up. I remember when the Joker pics leaked, I couldn't find them anywhere on the web...ultimately I found them, but I digress.

[Conebone69]

If two-face looks anything like that pic in the movie then the rating deffinetly would mention "scary images"

[inflames]

does anyone know if any site has the running time for this movie or will that not be up until near release?

[Frank Noir]

If two-face looks anything like that pic in the movie then the rating deffinetly would mention "scary images"

I think you're right, but I also don't think that the 'real' Two-Face will look very different from the concept pic.

[BruceWayne]

does anyone know if any site has the running time for this movie or will that not be up until near release?

I heard a rumor that it was almost 3 hours, but nothing official as far as I know.

[SheldonLevene]

I heard a rumor that it was almost 3 hours, but nothing official as far as I know.

I remember hearing that Nolan said it was comparable to BB...so about 2:20 I guess. Don't ask me where I found that though. Pretty sure there was a thread about the running time at one point on here.

[Infinity9999x]

That's just not extreme enough. Gibson looked like a typical burn victim. It's terrible, but it's not sanity-shattering.

It should be the most disfigured a human face can be without dying. Something that plastic surgery couldn't easily fix.

I wasn't saying that's only the extent of damage I would show, I was saying that that is the kind of texture I'd use for the skin.

I would have gone with a mix between Gibson's look and what we got in the concept art. I'd have the skin around his eye socket burned away exposing some of the eyeball, and have his lips burned away around his mouth to expose both rows of teeth (But not as far as they went in the concept where his entire cheek is gone with only a few muscle strands left).

[LiveWire777]

I heard a rumor that it was almost 3 hours, but nothing official as far as I know.
And what a magical 3 hours they would be :bow:

[DSET]

I heard a rumor that it was almost 3 hours, but nothing official as far as I know.

I would buy that rumor
but i heard that the un-edited version was about that long or a bit longer

how can the whole movie be un-edited its kind of unlikely

[Kaizer]

lol

[LiveWire777]

how can the whole movie be un-edited its kind of unlikely

All the shots were perfect . . . . maybe . . . . . just maybe.

[BruceWayne]

I would buy that rumor
but i heard that the un-edited version was about that long or a bit longer

how can the whole movie be un-edited its kind of unlikely

They should leave everything in...either that or release the special edition director's extended cut DVD the same day as the movie.

[HankVenture]

They should leave everything in...either that or release the special edition director's extended cut DVD the same day as the movie.

you mean BLU-RAY DVD!!:woot::woot:

[ActuallyRobin]

you mean BLU-RAY DVD!!:woot::woot:

Just Blu-Ray (note capitalisation and lack of superfluous 'DVD')

I always got the impression that Nolan generally put out in the cinema the cut he was happy with and felt was complete, and didn't feel a need for a director's cut.

[BruceWayne]

Just Blu-Ray (note capitalisation and lack of superfluous 'DVD')

I always got the impression that Nolan generally put out in the cinema the cut he was happy with and felt was complete, and didn't feel a need for a director's cut.

Then anything that ends up on the cutting room floor needs to be added to the DVD extras.

[ActuallyRobin]

Then anything that ends up on the cutting room floor needs to be added to the DVD extras.

Aye I'd like that :)

[Cagefighterkip]

Then anything that ends up on the cutting room floor needs to be added to the DVD extras.

hopefully they will, there were no deleted scenes on the doubleDisc of BEGINS so heres hoping theyll correct that error

[BruceWayne]

hopefully they will, there were no deleted scenes on the doubleDisc of BEGINS so heres hoping theyll correct that error

WB will probably release a new version of Begins will even more extra content and deleted scenes like two days before the movie hits theaters. Whatever it takes to rake in more money.

and yea...I know about the version that is supposed to come out anyway

[Cagefighterkip]

WB will probably release a new version of Begins will even more extra content and deleted scenes like two days before the movie hits theaters. Whatever it takes to rake in more money.

and yea...I know about the version that is supposed to come out anyway

i hope so (sorta)... but at the same time i dont wanna double Dip yknow?

[jsf]

i'd buy that

[ActuallyRobin]

WB will probably release a new version of Begins will even more extra content and deleted scenes like two days before the movie hits theaters. Whatever it takes to rake in more money.

and yea...I know about the version that is supposed to come out anyway

BB is being rereleased on the 7th of July iirc, on Blu-Ray and DVD. Can't remember what extra content there is, other than the Prologue on the Blu-Ray Limited Gift Set

[jsf]

wtf, the prologue is only on the blu ray limited gift set?
weak.

[inflames]

which by the way, if someone gets the limited gift set one, rip the prologue and send it my way lol

[Saint]

I don't get why people use spoiler tags in a spoiler forum. That's like downloading porn and then expecting there to be black bars over the offensive parts.

Because it makes sense to account for the many people who don't want spoilers, but visit this section anyway because the non-spoiler section is boring and empty. It doesn't take anything away from your posts, it doesn't inconvenience you to add the tags, so why not be courteous?

[BruceWayne]

Hey Saint, what pic did you use for you avatar? It looks pretty bada**

[ActuallyRobin]

wtf, the prologue is only on the blu ray limited gift set?
weak.

it does indeed suck.

which by the way, if someone gets the limited gift set one, rip the prologue and send it my way lol

I intend to :]

[Saint]

Hey Saint, what pic did you use for you avatar? It looks pretty bada**

It's from Trials of Shazam #12.

[jsf]

it does indeed suck.

now i need to go get a blu ray player :whatever::csad:

[inflames]

if someone here gets the box set and rips it off their disc and upload it then it wont suck, i'll keep my eyes open for it around the time it comes out.

[inflames]

it does indeed suck.



I intend to :]ah good deal then, would be much appreciated

[jsf]

+1. someone need to rip it and upload it so we can download it and burn it

[inflames]

+1. someone need to rip it and upload it so we can download it and burn iti believe ActuallyRobin is going to do that for usm I would but all I have for Blu Ray is my PS3 so i dont know how i would rip it or anything.

[SheldonLevene]

Because it makes sense to account for the many people who don't want spoilers, but visit this section anyway because the non-spoiler section is boring and empty. It doesn't take anything away from your posts, it doesn't inconvenience you to add the tags, so why not be courteous?

Well I don't post spoilers anyway so no sweat off my back. The main idea of the post was the joke part lol.

[bunk]

It's actually been confirmed that CGI will be applied to Two-Face's scarring.


They said they'd be CG-ing half his face? Seemed to have missed that.

[inflames]

"I can tell you that, basically, when you look at Two-Face, you should get sick to your stomach. Being the guy under all that, well, that was a lot of fun for me. It's like you would feel if you met someone whose face had pretty much been ripped off or burned off with acid. I can't talk about it beyond that because I don't want to give away too much of the plans by Chris."

[BruceWayne]

"I can tell you that, basically, when you look at Two-Face, you should get sick to your stomach. Being the guy under all that, well, that was a lot of fun for me. It's like you would feel if you met someone whose face had pretty much been ripped off or burned off with acid. I can't talk about it beyond that because I don't want to give away too much of the plans by Chris."

It's going to be enhanced with CGI supposedly.

[ActuallyRobin]

It's going to be enhanced with CGI supposedly.

Mmmhmm, it's be really hard to realistically do that in makeup I think, also, you don't want to permanently disfigure an actor :p

[inflames]

It's going to be enhanced with CGI supposedly.oh yea im counting on that, I just didn't see it being all CG

[NoirMan82]

It's going to be enhanced with CGI supposedly.

I can confirm this as well. Whe I saw the Two-Face make-up it was nowhere near as gruesome. I think the more fleshy parts are real make-up and the burned parts are cgi.

[LiveWire777]

I can confirm this as well. Whe I saw the Two-Face make-up it was nowhere near as gruesome. I think the more fleshy parts are real make-up and the burned parts are cgi.
Good to hear i want the fleshy parts to look as realistic as possible. :woot:

[Meta Mason]

Well from what we've seen (I've heard, I WILL NOT look at that pic .... but probably will...) it's nice, gruesome, and damn fine for the face of ... Two-Face. But reading back a bit people have been talking about Joker finishing off Dent in the hospital.

Here's what I would like to see to solve that. From the My Hero part of the Jokerized trailer with Two-Face I want to see Joker look at him or Two-Face talk to him then Joker makes sure he escapes, knowing what Harvey has become, knowing that Harvey is now one of those "better class of criminals" Joker talked about and promised to Bats. Seriously, that would be great for the Rogues Gallery feel of the movie, not only are there multiple baddies, but they help each other without the whole team-up crap.

[Manosman]

Here's what I would like to see to solve that. From the My Hero part of the Jokerized trailer with Two-Face I want to see Joker look at him or Two-Face talk to him then Joker makes sure he escapes, knowing what Harvey has become, knowing that Harvey is now one of those "better class of criminals" Joker talked about and promised to Bats. Seriously, that would be great for the Rogues Gallery feel of the movie, not only are there multiple baddies, but they help each other without the whole team-up crap.


i don't know how i feel about this, joker wants anarchy, so i dont really seeing him want to help anyone at all, all i can see is him laughing at what harvey has become, plus i dont see harvey wanting the joker's help at all, not after everything he has done :cwink:

[SalaciousVC]

You Guys do Know The "Leaked Pic" Is just Concept art,Right?And Its not gonna Be Exactly Like That

[thejon93]

Well from what we've seen (I've heard, I WILL NOT look at that pic .... but probably will...) it's nice, gruesome, and damn fine for the face of ... Two-Face. But reading back a bit people have been talking about Joker finishing off Dent in the hospital.

Here's what I would like to see to solve that. From the My Hero part of the Jokerized trailer with Two-Face I want to see Joker look at him or Two-Face talk to him then Joker makes sure he escapes, knowing what Harvey has become, knowing that Harvey is now one of those "better class of criminals" Joker talked about and promised to Bats. Seriously, that would be great for the Rogues Gallery feel of the movie, not only are there multiple baddies, but they help each other without the whole team-up crap.
I like this idea, Meta. The Joker-ized Trailer does say "My Hero" when that Two-Face scene sequence appears, it could all add up to this but I don't know if this will happen. Maybe it will like Maroni will ask for The Joker to finish off Harvey Dent but instead Joker turns the tables and allows Dent to kill Maroni.

[inflames]

i don't know how i feel about this, joker wants anarchy, so i dont really seeing him want to help anyone at all, all i can see is him laughing at what harvey has become, plus i dont see harvey wanting the joker's help at all, not after everything he has done :cwink:ditto, thats what I think.

[Sub-Zero]

i kinda like the concept, but the scabs and burnt look makes me think they're going to take a lot of liberties with two-face's origin. i don't really mind that as long as its not the joker that does it. the animated series origin would be fine with me.

[Meta Mason]

I like that and really doubt Joker like Maroni more than Two-Face. Joker would see that he's another freak and this is a lot like Long Halloween showing the move to the freaks taking over. Just sad Joker will more than likely be a shadow player in three than in the big bad middle of things with whoever else they'll add. But Two-Face and Scarecrow can still do a lot of damage.

[inflames]

I like that and really doubt Joker like Maroni more than Two-Face. Joker would see that he's another freak and this is a lot like Long Halloween showing the move to the freaks taking over. Just sad Joker will more than likely be a shadow player in three than in the big bad middle of things with whoever else they'll add. But Two-Face and Scarecrow can still do a lot of damage.I doubt Joker will be in the third, if they even make it.

[bkey]

I doubt Joker will be in the third, if they even make it.

QFT. Scarecrow won't either.

[Meta Mason]

i don't know how i feel about this, joker wants anarchy, so i dont really seeing him want to help anyone at all, all i can see is him laughing at what harvey has become, plus i dont see harvey wanting the joker's help at all, not after everything he has done :cwink:

Yeah but with what we've heard about the character and how I hope it is Two-Face and Harvey will be two different characters. To Two-Face, Joker helped create him if they do the stuff from th trailer. I'm just saying would be interesting.

Though him escaping on his own, burned scarred damaged beyond repair and wanting revenge on those that destroyed who he was and made him a monster would be awesome as well.

[Meta Mason]

Man I liked this Scarecrow, got some chops to him though a pretty boy face, heh. I can see them atleast using Joker for something for three and thought they all signed on for a three picture deal, that's what was said early on with BB. Hell they even said the badguys would be Scarecrow, Joker, and Two-Face.

[Seditionary]

I dont think any of the villains would disappear or not be in the third movie, if its made. Batman villains never go anywhere, theyre always around..thats a big deal with gotham, I doubt nolan would remove any, unless they just werent shown on screen.

I dont really think hell make a third one, with Heath passing away and all. I dont really think they could top it, but ill have to see the movie first

[Mr. Socko]

While I don't love it, it's a very interesting design and I do look forward to seeing it on the big screen in July.

[thejon93]

I doubt Joker will be in the third, if they even make it.
There will be a third, the only problem will be finding a suitable title for it which I'm sure they will be going with 'The Caped Crusader' and end it with that one.

[Saint]

The appropriate title is "Shadow of the Bat."

[inflames]

There will be a third, the only problem will be finding a suitable title for it which I'm sure they will be going with 'The Caped Crusader' and end it with that one.sounds a bit better without the 'caped' but then it wouldnt make sense

[thejon93]

The appropriate title is "Shadow of the Bat."
We all have our tastes, I have mine, and I just don't really like that title. Sounds more like a slogan than a title.

[escobar2248]

We all have our tastes, I have mine, and I just don't really like that title. Sounds more like a slogan than a title.

I'm not feeling it either.

The only reason it was mentioned is because that is the rumored name of the third movie. I doubt that it will be called that.

[Nightmare]

Shadow of the bat does sound like a slogan. But its better than "The Caped Crusader".

[n00nickn]

Dark victory would be good. oh well

[turtlefocker]

The appropriate title is "Shadow of the Bat."

I've always liked that title.

[Crook]

Every single one of these titles sound like someone just picked a comic book title out of a hat. There's no meaning behind it.

[Saint]

I'm not feeling it either.

The only reason it was mentioned is because that is the rumored name of the third movie. I doubt that it will be called that.

That's not the reason I mentioned it--I was suggesting 'Shadow of the Bat" before it was ever rumoured. I mentioned it because it's awesome.

[SheldonLevene]

I'm not a very big fan of Shadow of the Bat at all really.

[n00nickn]

Every single one of these titles sound like someone just picked a comic book title out of a hat. There's no meaning behind it.

true but they are all good titles

[turtlefocker]

Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Shadow of the Bat


I think they flow nicely together, and the third one after all is the story of a city living in the "shadow of the bat"

[Saint]

Every single one of these titles sound like someone just picked a comic book title out of a hat. There's no meaning behind it.

Well that isn't really fair, considering we don't know the thematic content of the third film. If it continues the beat of Batman's effect on Gotham, "changing everything forever" and all that jazz, then "Shadow of the Bat" would be a relevant title. Likewise if it focuses on the manner in which Batman swallows up the entirety of Bruce's life.

[Saint]

true but they are all good titles

"The Caped Crusader" gives me the willies.

[thejon93]

So, as for Two-Face and that concept image, I really do hope they fix the mouth piece a bit as someone on here mentioned a while back, all is good though:up:

[thejon93]

"The Caped Crusader" gives me the willies.
Well none of the titles for the movies have ever been "epic", for say. 'The Caped Crusader' just keeps the gap going, but we should be thankful for one thing, at least the movies are good, right?

[Crook]

Well that isn't really fair, considering we don't know the thematic content of the third film. If it continues the beat of Batman's effect on Gotham, "changing everything forever" and all that jazz, then "Shadow of the Bat" would be a relevant title. Likewise if it focuses on the manner in which Batman swallows up the entirety of Bruce's life.
"Shadow of the Bat" I'll make an exception for. Though I only think it truly fits if Robin or Batgirl were to be introduced. I suppose it could also apply to Gotham....but eh.

Everything else though it just so random. Titles such as "The Caped Crusader" is just stupid. Just as "The Amazing Spider-Man" is. What's the point of picking up random names or aliases for the hero, and sticking it on a poster for no reason? A title is supposed to tell you something about the movie.

I initially thought "The Dark Knight" was weird, but coming to know it plays a thematic element in the story put my concerns to rest. How I'd do it though, is to just go with completely original titles based on the plot, ala the Bond franchise. The batsymbol and character is already such a recognized icon that it doesn't matter if there's no "Batman" in the title.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Every single one of these titles sound like someone just picked a comic book title out of a hat. There's no meaning behind it.

How about Detective Comics? :funny:

[Mr. Socko]

"Shadow of the Bat" I'll make an exception for. Though I only think it truly fits if Robin or Batgirl were to be introduced. I suppose it could also apply to Gotham....but eh.

Everything else though it just so random. Titles such as "The Caped Crusader" is just stupid. Just as "The Amazing Spider-Man" is. What's the point of picking up random names or aliases for the hero, and sticking it on a poster for no reason? A title is supposed to tell you something about the movie.

I initially thought "The Dark Knight" was weird, but coming to know it plays a thematic element in the story put my concerns to rest. How I'd do it though, is to just go with completely original titles based on the plot, ala the Bond franchise. The batsymbol and character is already such a recognized icon that it doesn't matter if there's no "Batman" in the title.


Well the Caped Crusader tells you that the Crusader is caped and Amazing Spider-Man tells you that Spider-Man is amazing:o

[GregComicFan]

Shadow of the Bat? ........ i DONT like it. a "shadow" implies that Batman is imparting himself or his image on something. That either implies that Batman is leaving his mark on Gotham City, or that he is taking on a protege... aka Robin. blah.

[Eggyman]

'The Caped Crusader' should be beaten with a dog-chewed stick, raped, burnt, and then defecated on :o

It's a horrible name for a Batman film.

'Shadow of the Bat' is a step in the right direction, but still not quite there.

[CrypticOne]

I think Shadow of the Bat is really quite the title. He's leaving his mark on Gotham, forevermore.

[TLH]

Shadow of the Bat is decent, although I'd like to Batman back in the title.

[Paste Pot Pete]

How about a subtitle, like Batman: ________ ?

Not my bag, but it's always an alternative, since numbers are officially out of the question.

[Conebone69]

Batman 3 would be the best in my opinion. I dont think they could get any lamer with shadow of the bat :down That would be the worst possible name for any batman movie

[Papa Burgundy]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/two-face2.thumbnail.jpg

Doesnt match with this at all.

kinda does

[The Guard]

At this point, we all pretty much know it's going to be called THE SHADOW OF THE BAT. It's the only title left that truly sums up what's happening metaphorically with the franchise.

[The Battousai]

At this point, we all pretty much know it's going to be called THE SHADOW OF THE BAT.

I was aware that it was merely a rumor - an old rumor

It's the only title left that truly sums up what's happening metaphorically with the franchise.

Really? It doesn't seem like it.

[cjblair]

Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Shadow of the Bat


I think they flow nicely together, and the third one after all is the story of a city living in the "shadow of the bat"

Oh yes and T3: Rise of the Machines was a wonderful title. They should have stopped at two. Batman: face the face. Or Face Off, Face to Face or Batman Two Face Rising, or Face your fate. When in doubt just chuck a Returns behind the title.:woot:

[Gotham]

At this point, we all pretty much know it's going to be called THE SHADOW OF THE BAT. It's the only title left that truly sums up what's happening metaphorically with the franchise.

I'm still pulling for something completely different. I can't stand "Shadow of the Bat".

[Eggyman]

They've messed themselves up by calling this one The Dark Knight. It should have been:

Batman Begins
Batman Continues
Batman Finishes

[Paste Pot Pete]

And on the Seventh Day, Batman Rested

[The Battousai]

:ninja:

*cough*

Gotham Divided

[Mr. Socko]

Shadow of the Bat is decent, although I'd like to Batman back in the title.


As Eggy pointed out on the previous page, they can't place Batman back in the title for the third one because of TDK. If they do then "The Dark Knight" will look completely out of place in the trilogy.

[Eggyman]

Yeah, I agree with that, although my post was only made in jest :)

[cjblair]

Yeah, I agree with that, although my post was only made in jest :)

How about Batman: Broken Dreams?

[Eggyman]

How about Batman: Broken Dreams?

How about 'cjblair: Broken Bones'? :cmad:

[The Battousai]

I know this is all very amusing, but we should get back on topic :brucebat:




Sha-Zam!!!

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w160/backtothefront88/TDK%20Files/twofacecar.gif

[The Squirrel]

It definitely looks like there are some burn marks on his thumb.

[BruceWayne]

Has Shadow of the Knight been thrown out yet?

[BatSpider]

They Wont make that complicated people!!!

[DieSmiling]

I'm a big fan of "Shadow of the Bat" -- I like the way it sounds and thematically, it seems like a logical progression to go with the third movie.

"The Caped Crusader" is absolutely awful. They would never name the movie that, why would 2/3 of the movies be named after one of his nicknames? Plus it's just really cheesy and lame sounding.

Dark Victory would be a cool title, but I don't think they'd name it after an actual comic book.

[Eddie Brock]

If Two-Face plays a major role in the third film, then the title should clearly make some reference to him.

Words like 'split,' 'divided (as someone suggested)', or 'dual' should be included.

[The Battousai]

If Two-Face plays a major role in the third film, then the title should clearly make some reference to him.

Words like 'split,' 'divided (as someone suggested)', or 'dual' should be included.

Like Gotham Divided? :cwink::cwink::cwink::cwink::cwink::cwink::cwink:

[BatSpider]

Its gonna be something ****ing simple, like Batman has finally reached the top, something like


THE BATMAN :brucebat:

[Paste Pot Pete]

The Goddamn Batman.

Of course, the tagline would have to be "Are you dense? Are you retarded?"

[BatSpider]

:hehe:

[The Battousai]

Its gonna be something ****ing simple, like Batman has finally reached the top, something like


THE BATMAN :brucebat:

Unfortunately, that title has already been anally raped by the cartoon of the same name.

I might have agreed with you if that hadn't happened - although I'm more partial to a name that continues the trend of titles so far (that being not sharing the same words).

[BruceWayne]

If Two-Face plays a major role in the third film, then the title should clearly make some reference to him.

Words like 'split,' 'divided (as someone suggested)', or 'dual' should be included.

Batman: Catch You on the Flipside


Get it....coin....flip....eh...eh....:cool:

[BatSpider]

Unfortunately, that title has already been anally raped by the cartoon of the same name.

I might have agreed with you if that hadn't happened - although I'm more partial to a name that continues the trend of titles so far (that being not sharing the same words).
People wont even remember the cartoon if the movie uses the name

[The Battousai]

People wont even remember the cartoon if the movie uses the name

Maybe, maybe not - the name still isn't that good.

[TLH]

As Eggy pointed out on the previous page, they can't place Batman back in the title for the third one because of TDK. If they do then "The Dark Knight" will look completely out of place in the trilogy.

I agree, but putting that aside, I'd like a name like Batman Duality. It could work for many reasons: Two-Face, internal struggles for Bruce Wayne/Batman, and the polarized nature of the hero and the villain.

[CrypticOne]

Its gonna be something ****ing simple, like Batman has finally reached the top, something like


THE BATMAN :brucebat:

HAHA, I doubt it.

Hopefully they just stick with Shadow of the Bat.

[BatSpider]

HAHA, I doubt it.

Hopefully they just stick with Shadow of the Bat.
IMO i dont like it

[BruceWayne]

HAHA, I doubt it.

Hopefully they just stick with Shadow of the Bat.

Shadow of the Bat sounds too much like a video game title to me.

[CrypticOne]

I agree, but putting that aside, I'd like a name like Batman Duality. It could work for many reasons: Two-Face, internal struggles for Bruce Wayne/Batman, and the polarized nature of the hero and the villain.

Hey, that's a good idea too. I wouldn't mind Batman Duality. I like the sound of it, plus the meaning it will have in the story, with Two-Face and all.

[The Battousai]

I agree, but putting that aside, I'd like a name like Batman Duality. It could work for many reasons: Two-Face, internal struggles for Bruce Wayne/Batman, and the polarized nature of the hero and the villain.

The "duality" part is a bit too forward when in the title, if you ask me - I still think Gotham Divided works best within the parameters of what the name should be like; it sounds good, it represents both the Two-Face factor and the inherent division of the citizens in their opinion of Batman, it doesn't share any of the same words as the previous titles, and "Gotham" is in a movie title for the first time - and when you hear Gotham, chances are you'll be thinking "Batman" as a result.