Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Symbiotic]

The Goddamn Batman.

Of course, the tagline would have to be "Are you dense? Are you retarded?"Symbi does not object.

[TNC9852002]

Shadow of the CAT

:p
-TNC

[LiveWire777]

Caped Crusader?? :huh:

[Paste Pot Pete]

Batman: Prep Time

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/wingedfreakterrorizes/preptime.jpg

[angle0025]

not sure if this has been asked or not but this thread is over 350 pages long so i figured i would ask....

in the trailer we see dent scarred on the left side of his face.... but then why is his left hand not scarred.... correct me if im wrong but wasnt two face scarred all over his left side? is this just nolans interpretation of two face or what?

[bkey]

not sure if this has been asked or not but this thread is over 350 pages long so i figured i would ask....

in the trailer we see dent scarred on the left side of his face.... but then why is his left hand not scarred.... correct me if im wrong but wasnt two face scarred all over his left side? is this just nolans interpretation of two face or what?

It seems like his hand won't be scarred in this movie. Although, it is somewhat confusing because the action figure of the character does have a scarred hand.

[DJ Kornphlake]

If Two-Face plays a major role in the third film, then the title should clearly make some reference to him.

Words like 'split,' 'divided (as someone suggested)', or 'dual' should be included.

How about this?:woot:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/dj_kornphlake/Batman/twoface.jpg

[LiveWire777]

How about this?:woot:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/dj_kornphlake/Batman/twoface.jpg
lmao oh god that made my night sir.

[fallenAngel]

How about this?:woot:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/dj_kornphlake/Batman/twoface.jpg

That's hilarious. And as an actual movie I'm sure it would be much funnier than the real break up.

[TNC9852002]

not sure if this has been asked or not but this thread is over 350 pages long so i figured i would ask....

in the trailer we see dent scarred on the left side of his face.... but then why is his left hand not scarred.... correct me if im wrong but wasnt two face scarred all over his left side? is this just nolans interpretation of two face or what?
Well, in several comic incarnations, Dent's left hand is left pretty much unscathed. It's just the left side of the head and a little bit down to the chest and shoulder that were burned.

-TNC

[angle0025]

Well, in several comic incarnations, Dent's left hand is left pretty much unscathed. It's just the left side of the head and a little bit down to the chest and shoulder that were burned.

-TNC

thanks .... i have only read a few of the comics and seen the animated series.... and in the versions i had seen the hand was scarred as well..

i didnt know that in several other comic incarnations the hand was left alone

SHH ... u learn sumthin new each day

... im not being sarcastic either.. thank you

[HUMANIMAL]

guess they thought ...his name is two face and not two body (i mean did we ever saw his foot?) or two hand (????)...aaaaah dont know what they thought :-)...maybe his hands scarred only on the upper side ????

[Zacky]

How about this?:woot:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/dj_kornphlake/Batman/twoface.jpg
LoL :hehe:

[MercuryEnigma]

How about this?:woot:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/dj_kornphlake/Batman/twoface.jpg
He left the toilet seat up...AGAIN!

[Rikxiepoo]

Hey umm i just saw the concept art and he looks great!! Its gonna be really creepy looking at THAT in the big screen xD.

[Keyser Soze]

A bit late to the dance here, but in terms of titles for film three, I'd like to see something that incorporates Gotham City. Either just calling it "Gotham City", or "Ghosts of Gotham" or something along those lines.

[Batman jr.]

Batman: two ways of justice

[Batman jr.]

Alright then.

Batman kills Alfred.

You heard it here first.


I thought it was the opposite.

Now you won't see me in the theater :csad:

[Symbiotic]

A bit late to the dance here, but in terms of titles for film three, I'd like to see something that incorporates Gotham City. Either just calling it "Gotham City", or "Ghosts of Gotham" or something along those lines.I like "Gotham City".

[Kaizer]

what about "Gotham City: No Man's Land" I'm not suggesting using the NML storyline for the movie, but it does have a nice ring to it imo.

[HUMANIMAL]

how bout the dark knight and a half?

[HUMANIMAL]

or ....when barbecue strikes back????

[Robin91939]

Dark Justice

Or

Batman: Dark Justice

-R

[Drummerdude7]

From what I've read so far people seem to enjoy that concept pic of two-face
but, as always *sigh* there will be differences in opinion

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/3D-Look-At-Badly-Burned-Two-Face-8733.html

Note: don't worry, the image is not there

[Gianakin_]

From what I've read so far people seem to enjoy that concept pic of two-face
but, as always *sigh* there will be differences in opinion

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/3D-Look-At-Badly-Burned-Two-Face-8733.html

Note: don't worry, the image is not there

Right, yeah, let's have 2Face's burnt part look goblin-esque, because it's more fun. Like there's one definition of fun, anyways.

I can understand people asking for some toning down of the design and opinions of that fashion, but the designs this guy seems to like from the comics are simply bad, as far as I'm concerned.

[DeaDheaD]

Right, yeah, let's have 2Face's burnt part look goblin-esque, because it's more fun. Like there's one definition of fun, anyways.

I can understand people asking for some toning down of the design and opinions of that fashion, but the designs this guy seems to like from the comics are simply bad, as far as I'm concerned.
I thought everyone liked getting half their face ripped off, Nolan is taking all the fun away from being horrifically disfigured.

[n00nickn]

I personally think that the look they are going for is perfect. It could be toned down a little I guess but not much. I think this is the best representation you can get for two face

[Drummerdude7]

Right, yeah, let's have 2Face's burnt part look goblin-esque, because it's more fun. Like there's one definition of fun, anyways.

I can understand people asking for some toning down of the design and opinions of that fashion, but the designs this guy seems to like from the comics are simply bad, as far as I'm concerned.

don't forget that wicked fashion sense:grin:
they did a comic design in batman forever....and we all know how that turned out

besides, i'd rather have my two face look like this:
http://img85.exs.cx/img85/1650/twoface6he.jpg

than like this:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2774/ggcy0.th.png (http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ggcy0.png)

(I know the two-face image is the wrong side scarring but i thought it looked cool :oldrazz:)

[DJ Kornphlake]

If he wants a fun and wacky Two-Face, he should watch Batman Forever.

[n00nickn]

don't forget that wicked fashion sense:grin:
they did a comic design in batman forever....and we all know how that turned out

besides, i'd rather have my two face look like this:
http://img85.exs.cx/img85/1650/twoface6he.jpg

than like this:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2774/ggcy0.th.png (http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ggcy0.png)

(I know the two-face image is the wrong side scarring but i thought it looked cool :oldrazz:)

I like that look, think it looks great I just always hated the versions where he still has hair on the burnt side. I mean if your skin burns i think your hair would burn off too

[Drummerdude7]

I like that look, think it looks great I just always hated the versions where he still has hair on the burnt side. I mean if your skin burns i think your hair would burn off too

i absolutley agree with you sir
which is why i like the version shown in TLH/Dark victory and the version Nolan seems to be doing....acid would likely burn off your hair rather than discolouring it

i just thought the face on this image was uber cool :woot:

[n00nickn]

i absolutley agree with you sir
which is why i like the version shown in TLH/Dark victory and the version Nolan seems to be doing....acid would likely burn off your hair rather than discolouring it

i just thought the face on this image was uber cool :woot:

Exactly, I hope they keep this look.

[halFAN]

a sad and i think interesting story: i got a tortise kitten a few weeks ago that i named harvey dent. the left half of his face is orange, and the right half is black along with the rest of his body. i thought that was pretty cool. but then he broke his arm yesterday and had to have surgery...on his left side. so the vet had to shave the left side of his body. isnt that sad and strange given his name?

[n00nickn]

a sad and i think interesting story: i got a tortise kitten a few weeks ago that i named harvey dent. the left half of his face is orange, and the right half is black along with the rest of his body. i thought that was pretty cool. but then he broke his arm yesterday and had to have surgery...on his left side. so the vet had to shave the left side of his body. isnt that sad and strange given his name?

Its sad that your cat broke his leg but other that that i think thats the funniest story i have heard in a long time

[LiveWire777]

a sad and i think interesting story: i got a tortise kitten a few weeks ago that i named harvey dent. the left half of his face is orange, and the right half is black along with the rest of his body. i thought that was pretty cool. but then he broke his arm yesterday and had to have surgery...on his left side. so the vet had to shave the left side of his body. isnt that sad and strange given his name?
0_0

[Kaizer]

a sad and i think interesting story: i got a tortise kitten a few weeks ago that i named harvey dent. the left half of his face is orange, and the right half is black along with the rest of his body. i thought that was pretty cool. but then he broke his arm yesterday and had to have surgery...on his left side. so the vet had to shave the left side of his body. isnt that sad and strange given his name?

you wouldn't happen to have a pic? would love to see that, too bad he broke his leg, though

[TLH]

If the concept art for Two-Face is fairly accurate, than it means he won't have any discolored/frayed hair on his scarred half. Not a huge deal but worth mentioning I suppose.

[LiveWire777]

If the concept art for Two-Face is fairly accurate, than it means he won't have any discolored/frayed hair on his scarred half. Not a huge deal but worth mentioning I suppose.
I'd much prefer it that way then him having hair on his f***ed up side.

[HankVenture]

a sad and i think interesting story: i got a tortise kitten a few weeks ago that i named harvey dent. the left half of his face is orange, and the right half is black along with the rest of his body. i thought that was pretty cool. but then he broke his arm yesterday and had to have surgery...on his left side. so the vet had to shave the left side of his body. isnt that sad and strange given his name?

The poor cat...

Do you have a picture of such awesomeness?

[TinkTonks]

If the concept art for Two-Face is fairly accurate, than it means he won't have any discolored/frayed hair on his scarred half. Not a huge deal but worth mentioning I suppose.

And I would be totally fine, A-OK with that! I really dig TLH look for Two-Face anyway. It will be interesting to see how big a part CG will have in the finished look. And I really hope that Harvey and Two-Face can talk on-screen without there being numerous cut-aways to let us know who's in control. Like they did in LOTR..Smeagol spoke, then the camera would cut away to the left or something indicating Gollum was speaking, then it would cut back to the right for Smeagol, left, right, etc. :down

[bosef982]

Can anyone PM me this picture?

[bosef982]

NM, just saw it and it's.........disgusting to say the least.

Very interesting. I like it. It's very, very disturbing.

I can easily see where they'd need CGI for the eye and mandible ligament's movement.

[IllusionFly]

darn... so i guess that two-face pic is nowhere to be found anymore. i kind of missed the boat. anyway, if someone has it, please send it my way.

btw, i saw people debating what the third movie should be, and some criticism about the title The Dark Knight. Somewhere I read that Nolan wanted to treat TDK as it's own separate movie, meaning you wouldn't have to see the first one to understand what's going on, and that's probably why the title is a completely stand-alone title... besides, it would be better than calling it Batman Begins II.

For some reason I have a hunch that Shadow Of The Bat won't be the title of the third movie, but we'll see. I still think The Caped Crusader has an awesome ring.

[IllusionFly]

nevermind, just saw it.

yeah, that is really disgusting, i mean... holy crap!

but for some reason i dont think this is....what it's going to look like. it seems like a really rough concept. know what i mean?

[fallenAngel]

btw, i saw people debating what the third movie should be, and some criticism about the title The Dark Knight. Somewhere I read that Nolan wanted to treat TDK as it's own separate movie, meaning you wouldn't have to see the first one to understand what's going on, and that's probably why the title is a completely stand-alone title... besides, it would be better than calling it Batman Begins II.


I remember my friend made a joke about the second one being called "Batman Continues". And then the third being "Batman Ends?"

[Closerframe]

The leaked concept looks disgusting. I like how he has that burned look to him. But from the pic, on the scarred side of his head he has no ear...

[halFAN]

heres a pic of my harvey dent. hes healing quite well the vets say...
http://s114.photobucket.com/albums/n280/teenyhd/?action=view&current=DSCN1913.jpg

[TLH]

heres a pic of my harvey dent. hes healing quite well the vets say...
http://s114.photobucket.com/albums/n280/teenyhd/?action=view&current=DSCN1913.jpg

Not to sound heartless but take it somewhere else. That has nothing to do with this thread.

[bunk]

Give him a break, he might as well be allowed to come full circle with a story he began earlier.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Take yourself somewhere else you filthy kitten hater!

[TLH]

The leaked concept looks disgusting. I like how he has that burned look to him. But from the pic, on the scarred side of his head he has no ear...

Isn't Two-Face tradtionally supposed to have at least fragments of an ear?

[provide a smile]

If they do a 3rdfilm, i seriously reckon it will be The Dark Knight Returns

[Mr. Superhero]

If they do a 3rdfilm, i seriously reckon it will be The Dark Knight Returns
No, I think Nolan will try to come up with something totally original, as opposed to ripping off a Frank Miller title.

[BruceWayne]

If they do a 3rdfilm, i seriously reckon it will be The Dark Knight Returns

Too similar to Batman Returns. If they were going to go along something like that, I'd prefer just taking the comic book title of The Dark Knight Strikes Back.

[eXperiment]

If you examine the sequence where Harvey Dent screams in the trailer, you could tell that the image is flipped. He is, in fact, lying on the ground. If this has already been discovered, sorry.

[batman187_4]

Ok so I think it is pretty much given that if theere is a third movie, Harvey Two-Face will be in it... But who else? I think they may introduce Catwoman...
:brucebat:
:hoboj:

[az824]

they better ;)

[eXperiment]

Welcome to the boards.
Maybe your right. If they accomplish a great catwoman, than I have no problem with it. Not that studios care if I do, in fact, have a problem with it. As long as they can wipe the dominatrix suited halle catwoman out of my mind, I'm a happy camper.

[batman11]

Harvey Two-Face


I cringe at thy words.

[BatSpider]

I cringe at thy words.
:huh:

[batman187_4]

I cringe at thy words.


Why? lol.....

[Sub-Zero]

eckhart did say "harvey two-face" in an interview, i think. i hope they just call him two-face.

[Franky4Fingers]

Like I have mentioned before...Penguin done right would be great especially with Phillip Seymore Hoffman would be a nice addition to go along with two-face. I do think that the riddler is a major villian that would suprise me if not included; for the simple fact that he fits nolans world so well. My only concern with the riddler is that im not sure how much of a threat he would be. Nolan would need to make the riddler a bit more lethal and dark.

[GregComicFan]

Yeah, it is a SURE BET that Two-Face will not be the only villain in Batman 3. There's just no way. So whatever happens at the end of TDK, in regards to Harvey, is going to somehow tie into a story with a secondary villain. There's just no way Nolan won't re-invent another villain for part 3.

[SheldonLevene]

I too dislike the Harvey Two-Face thing. Just Two-Face please. Adding Harvey at the beginning seems redundant too.

[Infinity9999x]

Like I have mentioned before...Penguin done right would be great especially with Phillip Seymore Hoffman would be a nice addition to go along with two-face. I do think that the riddler is a major villian that would suprise me if not included; for the simple fact that he fits nolans world so well. My only concern with the riddler is that im not sure how much of a threat he would be. Nolan would need to make the riddler a bit more lethal and dark.

I could see the Riddler as a much more calculating type of villain. Akin to a John Doe-like character from Seven except on a broader scale. Add a little bit of Hannibal to his personality and I think you've got a winner.

I could definitely see Penguin making an appearance as a mob boss/gun dealer. Black Mask would work very well too.

Really, there are quite a few villains that fit Nolan's world.

[The ?]

I know he's a recent add to the villains gallery but what about Hush?
Have a sort of toned down version of the Hush storyline, mainly Two Face, Riddler and Hush.

That would be interesting.

,
?

[Keyser Soze]

I could see the Riddler as a much more calculating type of villain. Akin to a John Doe-like character from Seven except on a broader scale. Add a little bit of Hannibal to his personality and I think you've got a winner.

I could definitely see Penguin making an appearance as a mob boss/gun dealer. Black Mask would work very well too.

Really, there are quite a few villains that fit Nolan's world.

I really dislike it when people speak about reinventing The Riddler as a Saw/Seven-type character.

Some writers do it differently, but I've always preferred The Riddler when he was portrayed as a more old-fashioned crook who viewed killing as distasteful. In fact, I think his current incarnation as a private investigator, reformed from villainy, is as interesting as the character has ever been.

[Drummerdude7]

I could see the Riddler as a much more calculating type of villain. Akin to a John Doe-like character from Seven except on a broader scale. Add a little bit of Hannibal to his personality and I think you've got a winner.

I could definitely see Penguin making an appearance as a mob boss/gun dealer. Black Mask would work very well too.

Really, there are quite a few villains that fit Nolan's world.

I would like to see the Riddler re-done or even introducing Black Mask.....personally I think the latter would work as a great rival to Two-Face/ a mob leader...I'd be psyched to see him as a villain. I don't think Catwoman could be done well in the "nolanverse"...but i could be wrong......i just don't want her used as a love interest if Rachel does indeed bite the bullet.....it would seem cheap IMO

[Keyser Soze]

If we're talking about bringing in more gangster-type villains, would anyone be intrigued to see the Ventriloquist and Scarface? Or are they too cartoonish for Nolan's world?

If they DID use Ventriloquist, I'd prefer the female version:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/Criminals.jpg

[Drummerdude7]

I'm not too sure about scarface

the whole schizo with a puppet could be creepy, but also a bit cartoony.....
Nolan might be able to make it work, but i don't think it would work as a real threat...Black Mask would be a better choice IMO

that's a sweet image by the way

[ModestMr.Green]

If they do the Ventriloquist, have Paul Giamatti do it. Without facial hair, he's dead-on, and he's a good actor.

[bkey]

If they do the Ventriloquist, have Paul Giamatti do it. Without facial hair, he's dead-on, and he's a good actor.

I completely agree. I think he would be good as Mad Hatter as well.

[LiveWire777]

If they do the Ventriloquist, have Paul Giamatti do it. Without facial hair, he's dead-on, and he's a good actor.

I can hear him changing his voice 2 match both parts. ha he would be awesome i loved him in American Splendor.

[Paste Pot Pete]

I really dislike it when people speak about reinventing The Riddler as a Saw/Seven-type character.

Some writers do it differently, but I've always preferred The Riddler when he was portrayed as a more old-fashioned crook who viewed killing as distasteful. In fact, I think his current incarnation as a private investigator, reformed from villainy, is as interesting as the character has ever been.

Ditto.

It's too much of a departure from the spirit of the character. Whatever changes Nolan has made, he's consistently remained faithful to the core of the characters. There are enough cold-blooded psycho killers that are supposed to be cold-blooded psycho killers (The Joker); you don't need to alter those that aren't.

On a similar note, I'm so glad that Nolan also didn't turn Joker into a stereotypical, in-the-shadows serial killer like some people on the boards were hoping for. I love that this Joker still loves crime, not just murder.

[jmc]

If they do the Ventriloquist, have Paul Giamatti do it. Without facial hair, he's dead-on, and he's a good actor.

He is a great actor, I actually think he'd make a great Penguin.

[bkey]

If they do the Ventriloquist, have Paul Giamatti do it. Without facial hair, he's dead-on, and he's a good actor.

I completely agree. I think he would be good as Mad Hatter as well.

I can hear him changing his voice 2 match both parts. ha he would be awesome i loved him in American Splendor.

He is a great actor, I actually think he'd make a great Penguin.

So it seems like the consensus is hands down, get Paul Giamatti in a Batman movie! :woot:

[Paste Pot Pete]

Paul Giamatti for Catwoman!

[MercuryEnigma]

If they do the Ventriloquist, have Paul Giamatti do it. Without facial hair, he's dead-on, and he's a good actor.

Giamatti would also make a kick ass penguin, if you used camera tricks to make him shorter.

What does everyone speculate the reason for him being unable to escape the acid is? Ropes? Being held down by the Joker? Some sort of new toxin?

Also, I have a gripe against the leaked photo. I personally don't like how the scarring is perfectly on one side. If Nolan wants realism, he'll have it uneven. I hope its more like the toy.

[jmc]

So it seems like the consensus is hands down, get Paul Giamatti in a Batman movie! :woot:

I doubt there would be any objections, he could play any number of characters.

[LiveWire777]

Paul Giamatti for Catwoman!

I need a manip of said Catwoman >_<

[Paste Pot Pete]

I need a manip of said Catwoman >_<

Not if you cherish your sanity.

[ModestMr.Green]

What does everyone speculate the reason for him being unable to escape the acid is? Ropes? Being held down by the Joker? Some sort of new toxin?


I don't think it's going to be an issue of not being able to escape it, so much as being surprised by it, if it's just pulled out and thrown at his face in a courtroom.

[bkey]

I don't think it's going to be an issue of not being able to escape it, so much as being surprised by it, if it's just pulled out and thrown at his face in a courtroom.

I agree. I doubt he will be tied down or anything like that. Most likely it will be a complete surprise.

[cjblair]

Re: that yellow fluid. Ever read Arkham Asylum: A Serious house on a Serious Earth? In it they take 2Face's coin away from him and he can't even decide when to go to the toilet, so he kept wetting himself. Maybe he lost his coin and couldn't decide when to answer that call of nature?

[cjblair]

I agree. I doubt he will be tied down or anything like that. Most likely it will be a complete surprise.

I read this story about a man in Melbourne who electrocuted once, he was playing around with a fuse box in what he though was an abandoned building, standing water. He realised the fuse box was still wired up, and despite standing away from the box the water conducted the electricity. It's the same thing with the gas, he doesn't need to be held down, he's lying and soaked in it. As long as those wires are connected to a lighter of some kind he cooked. Yelling no is about all he can do.

[MercuryEnigma]

I don't think it's going to be an issue of not being able to escape it, so much as being surprised by it, if it's just pulled out and thrown at his face in a courtroom.

In the trailer he was on the ground as a drum of acid spilled onto the ground.

[bkey]

In the trailer he was on the ground as a drum of acid spilled onto the ground.

Those two shots do not actually run together in the movie. Trailer editing is a wonderful thing.

[LiveWire777]

Those two shots do not actually run together in the movie. Trailer editing is a wonderful thing.
That it is.

[BruceWayne]

In the trailer he was on the ground as a drum of acid spilled onto the ground.

I'm pretty sure that was gasoline. If it was acid, it would have started to eat away at the floor...and it was too dark to be acid.

[CrypticOne]

Yeah, I'm thinking Harvey gets hit with gasoline and then probably lit on fire.

Plus, Nolan likes realism in these Batman movies, so gasoline does make sense.

[MercuryEnigma]

I'm pretty sure that was gasoline. If it was acid, it would have started to eat away at the floor...and it was too dark to be acid.

True, good point. It's a shame if that's not acid. That's a real logical way to get half your face singed by acid. If you throw acid it's gonna splash everywhere and not get a clean burn.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I don't think the means by which he's scarred nearly as important as the impact it has on his psyche

[CrypticOne]

I don't think the means by which he's scarred nearly as important as the impact it has on his psyche

True.

[BruceWayne]

I don't think the means by which he's scarred nearly as important as the impact it has on his psyche

If it works because of the story, then so be it...but I'd rather have the traditional scaring.

[LastSunrise1981]

Aaron Eckhart said that Harvey is disfigured by acid and that Maroni is the one who does it. Unless something else has been confirmed?

[CaptainClown]

I love when there is a new theory people seem to head straight to "realism".

[CrypticOne]

Aaron Eckhart said that Harvey is disfigured by acid and that Maroni is the one who does it. Unless something else has been confirmed?

Eckhart said this? When?

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I love when there is a new theory people seem to head straight to "realism".
I'm just saying I don't care if it's acid, or fire, or bed bugs, as long as he's scarred and pissed.

[bkey]

Eckhart said this? When?

He said it was acid. I've never heard him say that it was Maroni who does it; however, Eric Roberts did state they were sticking pretty close to the comics.

[CaptainClown]

I'm just saying I don't care if it's acid, or fire, or bed bugs, as long as he's scarred and pissed.
Well I was talking about you in general and mostly this kind of post.

"Well it all makes sense that he is using gasoline since Nolan likes to go for realism"

Unless you have seen the movie you really can't say.

[CrypticOne]

Well I was talking about you in general and mostly this kind of post.

"Well it all makes sense that he is using gasoline since Nolan likes to go for realism"

Unless you have seen the movie you really can't say.

HAHA. That was me.

[CaptainClown]

HAHA. That was me.
: points: YOUUU!!!!!!
:oldrazz:

[Drummerdude7]

: points: YOUUU!!!!!!
:oldrazz:

http://blog.ideacity.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/souljaboy.jpg

[antsman41]

to Soulja Boy -> "Could You be wearing anymore clothes?" Chandler Bing

[namtaB]

to Soulja Boy -> "Could You be wearing anymore clothes?" Chandler Bing

"Maybe if I wasn't going commando" starts doing lunges

[cryptic name]

Yeah, I'm thinking Harvey gets hit with gasoline and then probably lit on fire.

Plus, Nolan likes realism in these Batman movies, so gasoline does make sense.

because acid isn't real?

[DaddyGrayson]

because acid isn't real?

TEOL

[n00nickn]

because acid isn't real?

Yeah I'm confused what makes Gas "More Real"

[bkey]

Yeah I'm confused what makes Gas "More Real"

Absolutely nothing!:woot:

[Joker'sHenchman]

In TAS is it true that Two-Face got his face from acid bubbling up from a vat onto on side of his face?

[jsf]

In TAS is it true that Two-Face got his face from acid bubbling up from a vat onto on side of his face?

si. a combo of that and an explosion

[Joker'sHenchman]

si. a combo of that and an explosion

If i were to go out and buy a DVD season of TAS which one would be the most thrilling?

[Yoda Claus]

In TAS is it true that Two-Face got his face from acid bubbling up from a vat onto on side of his face?
Yeah, he was chasing after a mob boss that was going to release his psychiatric records when one of the bosses goons started shooting after him, one of the bullets caught an electrical wire, Harvey tripped on the catwalk, fell with half of his face exposed over the vat. The electrical wire plunged into the vat which proceeded to explode thusly: BOOM! It scarred him in a blue way. It was actually a very good 2-part episode in the series. It may not follow the canon of the comics, but it was well written. It showed he had anger issues BEFORE the accident. The accident was just the final straw to let "Big Bad Harv" out to play for good.

[Yoda Claus]

If i were to go out and buy a DVD season of TAS which one would be the most thrilling?
I have season 1, which has that intro, Harley's first appearance, among others. Its a good season to get. But I like all of them to be honest :)

[Cagefighterkip]

If i were to go out and buy a DVD season of TAS which one would be the most thrilling?

all of them

[theShape]

Saying that Dent getting lit up and burned is more realistic than being scarred by acid is just a ridiculous comment.

However, I don't object to that idea. It explains the tarnished left side of his suit and would actually be kind of badass.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

all of them

Totally agreed!

[ActuallyRobin]

Don't mind how exactly he's scarred so long as it is handled well.

[HankVenture]

If i were to go out and buy a DVD season of TAS which one would be the most thrilling?

You need all of them!

But if you're going to start, get the first set.

The second set, IMO, has the best episodes.

[inflames]

This is OT but has anyone seen Meet Bill with Eckhart?

[Majik1387]

So I don't keep up much with this thread, but have you guys seen the scarred side of Dent's face yet?:wow:

[StorminNorman]

Please don't tell me that some people actually believe that gasoline burns creating the concept art look of Harvey Dent is more realistic than acid.

If that is the case, its time for me to bust some heads. :(

[TLH]

Saying that Dent getting lit up and burned is more realistic than being scarred by acid is just a ridiculous comment.

Fire-induced scarring is more common than acid-induced scarring; incidents involving acid are quite rare. Acid isn't exactly a common convention, but maybe that's what would make it unique to the film. I personally feel that acid would justify such a harsh, survivable scarring more believably than fire, but I don't care either way.

[Majik1387]

I don't know, I'd buy fire-induced scarring over acid-induced scarring; after all, incidents involving acid are quite rare. Acid isn't exactly a common convention, but maybe that's what would make it unique to the film.

I don't care either way.

So is a man dressing up as a bat, a psycho dressing up as a clown, etc

[StorminNorman]

Fire-induced scarring is more common than acid-induced scarring; incidents involving acid are quite rare. Acid isn't exactly a common convention, but maybe that's what would make it unique to the film. I personally feel that acid would justify such a harsh, survivable scarring more believably than fire, but I don't care either way.

Yes - but I would imagine that the likely hood of someone brining acid into a court room to use on the attorney is about as likely as someone using fire on said attorney in the same court of law.

If the scarring does not appear in court - then Nolan has lost some of the magic of Harvey Dent's story.

[Crook]

Please don't tell me that some people actually believe that gasoline burns creating the concept art look of Harvey Dent is more realistic than acid.

If that is the case, its time for me to bust some heads. :(
Heh.

Though I will admit I do think it's more realistic in the sense that it explains the half-split they've gone with. Which is sort of a catch-22 since while I prefer acid, that probably means a scarring line that resembles the prototype toy, which I hate.

Conversely, fire by face to the ground isn't my first choice, but I love how it creates that comic book line right down the middle.

[StorminNorman]

Heh.

Though I will admit I do think it's more realistic in the sense that it explains the half-split they've gone with. Which is sort of a catch-22 since while I prefer acid, that probably means a scarring line that resembles the prototype toy, which I hate.

Conversely, fire by face to the ground isn't my first choice, but I love how it creates that comic book line right down the middle.

Which could of easily been explained by Harvey...turning his head. :wow:

[Crook]

Which could of easily been explained by Harvey...turning his head. :wow:
It still wouldn't look like the scarring line that they've gone with. A splash of a small amount of acid wouldn't cover that much area, nor cover such a precise symmetrical half. As I said, it probably would have looked much closer to the toy, and frankly I hate that concept.

[bunk]

Which could of easily been explained by Harvey...turning his head. :wow:

No it can't. It's a trade off really. You either get the acid in the face and no obvious line down the center, or the gas puddle which creates something closer to the trademark look.

[TLH]

I'm not overly familiar with Batman lore, but how exactly does Maroni get acid into the courtroom? Anybody know?

[ForestAflame]

Why don't they throw the acid in his face and then the next time we see him, there's a symmetrical line down the center of his face? :wow:

Or is that too unrealistic? :whatever:

[Rogzilla]

I'm not overly familiar with Batman lore, but how exactly does Maroni get acid into the courtroom? Anybody know?

In the Long Halloween, it is given to him by Harvey's corrupt assistant under the pretense of being Pepto or Maylox or something.

[branwen]

Fire-induced scarring is more common than acid-induced scarring; incidents involving acid are quite rare. Acid isn't exactly a common convention, but maybe that's what would make it unique to the film. I personally feel that acid would justify such a harsh, survivable scarring more believably than fire, but I don't care either way.

Well actually it's relatively common in some countries for people to randomly scar enemies with acid; if you do a search for acid scarring on Google, you'd be surprised with what comes up. And the actual scarring is very like TLH.

However, the concept art scarring looks more like a fire burn, to me....

[HankVenture]

In the Long Halloween, it is given to him by Harvey's corrupt assistant under the pretense of being Pepto or Maylox or something.

Pepto has been meddling in the deadly acidic arts ever since the Tylenol poison in the 80s. Those bastards...

[slevinkelevra]

No it can't. It's a trade off really. You either get the acid in the face and no obvious line down the center, or the gas puddle which creates something closer to the trademark look.

bunk nice avi, i picked up that gq yesterday.

[ModestMr.Green]

The only problem I have with the acid being used instead of this gasoline theory is that the clean cut burn down the middle of his face doesn't make sense with it.

[Infinity9999x]

It still wouldn't look like the scarring line that they've gone with. A splash of a small amount of acid wouldn't cover that much area, nor cover such a precise symmetrical half. As I said, it probably would have looked much closer to the toy, and frankly I hate that concept.

Actually it would. If the liquid we see on the ground is acid (in the NO! section of the trailer) and the thugs holding him down press the side of his face to the floor first, it would create a straight line down his face. Then when he tries to lift his face away from the floor, more of the back of his head would come into contact with the acid as he tries to get his face clear, also scarring the back and possibly top of his head as well depending on how much he struggles.

[Crook]

Actually it would. If the liquid we see on the ground is acid (in the NO! section of the trailer) and the thugs holding him down press the side of his face to the floor first, it would create a straight line down his face. Then when he tries to lift his face away from the floor, more of the back of his head would come into contact with the acid as he tries to get his face clear, also scarring the back and possibly top of his head as well depending on how much he struggles.
1) That still changes the court room origin

2) It's clearly not acid in the trailer

[bunk]

bunk nice avi, i picked up that gq yesterday.


Yeah, I was kind of surprised by the gray hair when I saw it. Looks good on him though.

[Infinity9999x]

1) That still changes the court room origin

2) It's clearly not acid in the trailer

Oh I know it changes the courtroom origin, but it seems now that they're going to change that regardless, which I'm quite disappointed by, because I don't think him getting forcefully burned by thugs has anywhere near the resonance the courtroom scene did.

And I wouldn't say it's clearly not acid. It could easily be acid, all Nolan has to do is say it is. Though, by looking at the style of burn in the leaked picture, I'd say there's a much better chance it's gasoline.

Really, I was just making the point that you could still get the straight line down the face with acid.

[Crook]

Oh I know it changes the courtroom origin, but it seems now that they're going to change that regardless, which I'm quite disappointed by, because I don't think him getting forcefully burned by thugs has anywhere near the resonance the courtroom scene did.
If it has to be changed, I'd prefer if he was "betrayed" by his own peers. So no thugs, but actually corrupt enforcers of the law. That way, some semblance of the law turning it's back on him still remains.

And I wouldn't say it's clearly not acid. It could easily be acid, all Nolan has to do is say it is.
While usually I'd agree that's all it would take, that's taking the suspension of disbelief too far. With the substantial scarring Harvey undergoes, if his face is in any contact with that acid, he would be feeling it. There's no 2 ways of handling acid.

The trailer shows it's not the liquid giving him distress, but what is about to happen. That's more than enough proof that he's not lying on any burning substance.

Really, I was just making the point that you could still get the straight line down the face with acid.
No arguments here.

[cryptic name]

No it can't. It's a trade off really. You either get the acid in the face and no obvious line down the center, or the gas puddle which creates something closer to the trademark look.

yeah, lying face down in gasoline that gets lit up is going to do more than burn the half of your face that's in the gasoline.

[bunk]

yeah, lying face down in gasoline that gets lit up is going to do more than burn the half of your face that's in the gasoline.

Probably. I'm merely going off of what we've seen. If gasoline and fire is the only way Nolan can justify a line down the center, then that's on him.

[StorminNorman]

No it can't. It's a trade off really. You either get the acid in the face and no obvious line down the center, or the gas puddle which creates something closer to the trademark look.

You could have most of one side scarred and keep one of the better villain origin stories in tact - OR make the focus of the character the perfect symmetry of his wound.

I think the choice is obvious.

[bunk]

You could have most of one side scarred and keep one of the better villain origin stories in tact - OR make the focus of the character the perfect symmetry of his wound.

I think the choice is obvious.


Well we won't know what Nolan's choice was until the movie comes out. I mean do we even know for sure it's fire that does the job? Is there still a courtroom scene?

[DJ Kornphlake]

Yeah, it seems silly to debate this when none of us have even seen the movie yet.

[theShape]

Yes - but I would imagine that the likely hood of someone brining acid into a court room to use on the attorney is about as likely as someone using fire on said attorney in the same court of law.

If the scarring does not appear in court - then Nolan has lost some of the magic of Harvey Dent's story.

Well, that's your opinion, and sadly, no matter how good Nolan's version turns out to be, you'll probably still be upset that it wasn't the "courtroom origin".

I'm open to various interpretations, as long as they are interesting and the heart of the character stays intact, and that definitely appears to be the case with Dent/Two Face, and also Nolan's version of the Joker.

[cryptic name]

Well we won't know what Nolan's choice was until the movie comes out. I mean do we even know for sure it's fire that does the job? Is there still a courtroom scene?

for all we know the two shots we see in the trailer have nothing to do with the origin of two face.

[Airath]

Maybe Dent came to gotham after the Scarecrow incident because there was more crime. Maybe thinking he'll get more work in Gotham idk just a thought.

[souvlaki]

Actually it would. If the liquid we see on the ground is acid (in the NO! section of the trailer) and the thugs holding him down press the side of his face to the floor first, it would create a straight line down his face. Then when he tries to lift his face away from the floor, more of the back of his head would come into contact with the acid as he tries to get his face clear, also scarring the back and possibly top of his head as well depending on how much he struggles.

You are forgetting that whatever liquid that was on the ground in that scene can also be clearly seen on the left side of his face as well. If it were acid he'd have burns on both sides of his face. Oh yeah, and he'd be screaming bloody murder, not simply yelling "no".

[StorminNorman]

Well we won't know what Nolan's choice was until the movie comes out. I mean do we even know for sure it's fire that does the job? Is there still a courtroom scene?

No we don't. I still think Nolan made the right decision.

Yeah, it seems silly to debate this when none of us have even seen the movie yet.

I am not debating as much as stating what Nolan SHOULD do.

Well, that's your opinion, and sadly, no matter how good Nolan's version turns out to be, you'll probably still be upset that it wasn't the "courtroom origin".

I'm open to various interpretations, as long as they are interesting and the heart of the character stays intact, and that definitely appears to be the case with Dent/Two Face, and also Nolan's version of the Joker.

If Nolan creates a story that fits the character BETTER than the courtroom origin - I will listen, I don't think that is a real possibility though.

I'm open to a lot of things - but changing a characters origin, especially THIS characters origin that fits so well in the universe, just for the sake of change is stupid. I still think Nolan's only mistake so far in this movie was changing the Joker. Unless he can make it obvious as to why the Joker NEEDED to be changed to fit his film - straying away from 70 years of history seems arrogant and foolish.

[theShape]

You are forgetting that whatever liquid that was on the ground in that scene can also be clearly seen on the left side of his face as well. If it were acid he'd have burns on both sides of his face. Oh yeah, and he'd be screaming bloody murder, not simply yelling "no".

Or that could be sweat...

If I were to put the pieces together, I'd say Dent was grabbed by the mob, or maybe even the Joker, and was being payed back for all the "trouble" he's caused. They don't want to kill him, but they want revenge and to send a message, so they burn him up and leave him for dead.

My guess is that Dent's being beaten, or threatened...whatever. The barrel of gasoline is spilled out and they grabd Dent and hold him down to the floor. Once he sees someone takes out a match or a lighter, he screams out for the person to stop before he's lit up.

[BruceWayne]

You are forgetting that whatever liquid that was on the ground in that scene can also be clearly seen on the left side of his face as well. If it were acid he'd have burns on both sides of his face. Oh yeah, and he'd be screaming bloody murder, not simply yelling "no".

This is the thing that is confusing me after looking back at still frames for that scene in the trailer: he has some type of liquid on both side of his face. If it is, indeed gasoline, (which I'm betting money on it is) once, it's lite on fire, it would spread to the other side as well. I'm just torn on what to think know. After seeing the leaked concept, it looks like fire...but the scene with him in the back of the car with a gun, there's no marks on his other side.....so I'm lost.

[BruceWayne]

Or that could be sweat...

If I were to put the pieces together, I'd say Dent was grabbed by the mob, or maybe even the Joker, and was being payed back for all the "trouble" he's caused. They don't want to kill him, but they want revenge and to send a message, so they burn him up and leave him for dead.

My guess is that Dent's being beaten, or threatened...whatever. The barrel of gasoline is spilled out and they grabd Dent and hold him down to the floor. Once he sees someone takes out a match or a lighter, he screams out for the person to stop before he's lit up.

But if they didn't want to kill him, why leave him for dead?

[theShape]

If Nolan creates a story that fits the character BETTER than the courtroom origin - I will listen, I don't think that is a real possibility though.

I'm open to a lot of things - but changing a characters origin, especially THIS characters origin that fits so well in the universe, just for the sake of change is stupid. I still think Nolan's only mistake so far in this movie was changing the Joker. Unless he can make it obvious as to why the Joker NEEDED to be changed to fit his film - straying away from 70 years of history seems arrogant and foolish.

You never know. It could happen. And maybe this possible new origin could fit the film better than his origin in the comics. We haven't seen the film yet, so it's way too early to judge or write this off as "St0oPiD NoLaN".

I don't think any character's origin NEEDS to be changed, but it's ultimately the director's or writer's choice. If they want to create a different interpretation of the Joker, why can't they? It appears to be just as effective and interesting as the comic version, and also gels smoothly with the feel of the movie universe Nolan has created. Maybe a new Dent origin could be just a tense and powerful as it is in the comics. Truth be told, if Nolan felt it necessary to change a character or an origin, I trust that he did it for the benefit of the movie, not just to **** with us.

The comics simply serve as inspiration for these films, not a strict template. Nothing is set in stone when it comes time to make a Batman movie, which is why different directors are able to create differemt interpretations. To say that Nolan changing the Joker is arrogant and foolish seems, to me, like a foolish statement in itself.

[theShape]

But if they didn't want to kill him, why leave him for dead?

Maybe they did want to kill him. That's another possible way to see it. They expected him to die and left him for dead in the flames, but he escaped.

Or, they burned the side of his face and then let him go, but Dent simply disappears and is assumed dead by the public. There are plenty of ways this could go down.

[BruceWayne]

Maybe they did want to kill him. That's another possible way to see it. They expected him to die and left him for dead in the flames, but he escaped.

Or, they burned the side of his face and then let him go, but Dent simply disappears and is assumed dead by the public. There are plenty of ways this could go down.

The way I'm hoping things play out is that Joker allows himself to get captured as a way to distract Batman. The mob then kidnaps Dent and I'm hoping the events shown in the trailer are the mob threatening Dent...showing him what could happen if he didn't back off...kinda like a warning. He apparently doesn't, given the strong resolve he has, and ultimately the court room scene takes place.

I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed.

[theShape]

The way I'm hoping things play out is that Joker allows himself to get captured as a way to distract Batman. The mob then kidnaps Dent and I'm hoping the events shown in the trailer are the mob threatening Dent...showing him what could happen if he didn't back off...kinda like a warning. He apparently doesn't, given the strong resolve he has, and ultimately the court room scene takes place.

I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed.

That, of course, is another possibility.

[StorminNorman]

You never know. It could happen. And maybe this possible new origin could fit the film better than his origin in the comics. We haven't seen the film yet, so it's way too early to judge or write this off as "St0oPiD NoLaN".

Thats why I have not written it off.

I don't think any character's origin NEEDS to be changed, but it's ultimately the director's or writer's choice. If they want to create a different interpretation of the Joker, why can't they? It appears to be just as effective and interesting as the comic version, and also gels smoothly with the feel of the movie universe Nolan has created. Maybe a new Dent origin could be just a tense and powerful as it is in the comics. Truth be told, if Nolan felt it necessary to change a character or an origin, I trust that he did it for the benefit of the movie, not just to **** with us.

I would hope - but if that is the case, then it should be rather easy for us as the audience to identify the reason he went with that. If Nolan differs from the comic origin - it needs to be explained why and it needs to not effect the integrity of the character. Scarecrows origin, for example, is an example of Nolan modifying had no negative impact on the character.

While it is very possible Nolan could have similar success with Dent - I fully recognize that its much more difficult with Two Face than it was with Scarecrow. There are so many aspects of Two Faces origin that builds such a compelling character - Scarecrow's origin is fairly insignificant by comparison.

The comics simply serve as inspiration for these films, not a strict template. Nothing is set in stone when it comes time to make a Batman movie, which is why different directors are able to create differemt interpretations. To say that Nolan changing the Joker is arrogant and foolish seems, to me, like a foolish statement in itself.

For Nolan to simply dismiss history for the sake of dismissing history is arrogant, sorry. Now if Nolan makes it clear WHY he disregarded history - fine, brilliant. Realism isn't a defense for everything.

[theShape]

I would hope - but if that is the case, then it should be rather easy for us as the audience to identify the reason he went with that. If Nolan differs from the comic origin - it needs to be explained why and it needs to not effect the integrity of the character. Scarecrows origin, for example, is an example of Nolan modifying had no negative impact on the character.

While it is very possible Nolan could have similar success with Dent - I fully recognize that its much more difficult with Two Face than it was with Scarecrow. There are so many aspects of Two Faces origin that builds such a compelling character - Scarecrow's origin is fairly insignificant by comparison.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you want Nolan to pop up on the screen and explain why he changed Dent's origin? Chances are that when watching TDK, we won't get an explanation as to why the Joker or Dent were modified, but does it really matter? If it's good and compelling, do we really need to know?


For Nolan to simply dismiss history for the sake of dismissing history is arrogant, sorry. Now if Nolan makes it clear WHY he disregarded history - fine, brilliant. Realism isn't a defense for everything.

Again, this doesn't make sense. What you're saying -- that Nolan has dismissed history for the sake of dismissing history -- is just an igorant and baseless statement with no truth behind it. I'm sure he'll state his reasoning in the interviews for TDK press, or on the DVD, and I doubt he'll say, "Ah, why not? Forget history. I'm Chris Nolan! I do what I want!"

But why do you expect Nolan to explain himself and defend his choices, as if he answers to you and he will be penalized for not strictly following what was done before in the comics? I think what he puts on film will speak for itself. We haven't seen the film yet, but if all goes well, I'll be more tha happy with what we've got. It looks to be an awesome interpretation of Batman and his surrounding characters. If it turns out to be trash, maybe then he'll have some explaining to do.

[StorminNorman]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you want Nolan to pop up on the screen and explain why he changed Dent's origin? Chances are that when watching TDK, we won't get an explanation as to why the Joker or Dent were modified, but does it really matter? If it's good and compelling, do we really need to know?

If its an improvement or on par with the comic origin - fine. What I mean by giving an "explanation" as to why he doesn't fit the universe is basically show why the character needed to be presented this way. For example, I can buy Joker being un-permawhite because of the universe he created. Spider-Man having organic web shooters makes sense. If it was possible for Two Face's origin to be properly adapted, then Nolan needs to stick as closely to that as possible - or give us a reason why he went another way. Either on film or outside it, he must answer that question because he is dealing with a property far larger than himself.

Again, this doesn't make sense. What you're saying -- that Nolan has dismissed history for the sake of dismissing history -- is just an igorant and baseless statement with no truth behind it. I'm sure he'll state his reasoning in the interviews for TDK press, or on the DVD, and I doubt he'll say, "Ah, why not? Forget history. I'm Chris Nolan! I do what I want!"

If he changes an origin that does not go against any of the laws he has set for his universe (and Two Face's origin fits Nolan's tone incredibly well) then I am left with the impression he has done so for his ego. Again - Nolan needs to prove a reason why he went against the comic origin here, IF he went against the comic origin here.

But why do you expect Nolan to explain himself and defend his choices, as if he answers to you and he will be penalized for not strictly following what was done before in the comics? I think what he puts on film will speak for itself. We haven't seen the film yet, but if all goes well, I'll be more tha happy with what we've got. It looks to be an awesome interpretation of Batman and his surrounding characters. If it turns out to be trash, maybe then he'll have some explaining to do.

Because Nolan is not above this character and his history. Burton got *****ed out for altering Penguin and other changes - Nolan should get similar fan heat. The fans should start expecting more faithful adaptations - especially after films like Spider-Man and Iron Man.

[CrypticOne]

Maybe they did want to kill him. That's another possible way to see it. They expected him to die and left him for dead in the flames, but he escaped.

Or, they burned the side of his face and then let him go, but Dent simply disappears and is assumed dead by the public. There are plenty of ways this could go down.

Yeah, I want him to be burned and left for dead and then comes back for some vengeance!

[theShape]

If its an improvement or on par with the comic origin - fine. What I mean by giving an "explanation" as to why he doesn't fit the universe is basically show why the character needed to be presented this way. For example, I can buy Joker being un-permawhite because of the universe he created. Spider-Man having organic web shooters makes sense. If it was possible for Two Face's origin to be properly adapted, then Nolan needs to stick as closely to that as possible - or give us a reason why he went another way. Either on film or outside it, he must answer that question because he is dealing with a property far larger than himself.

The organic webshooters is a great example. Raimi gave his Spider-man organic webshooters, which went against decades of Spider-man's history. Is Raimi arrogant for doing so? Didn't it work very well in the Spider-man films? Why call Nolan arrogant for making a similar change with the Joker, one that is not in line with the comics? He obviosuly has a reason for it, and it should prove to be effective on-screen.



If he changes an origin that does not go against any of the laws he has set for his universe (and Two Face's origin fits Nolan's tone incredibly well) then I am left with the impression he has done so for his ego. Again - Nolan needs to prove a reason why he went against the comic origin here, IF he went against the comic origin here.

Once again, this all comes down to personal preference. If Nolan did decide to alter Two Face's origin, chances are that it was for the sake of making his film better. Maybe the courtroom scene wasn't working for him in this film. Maybe it didn't fit the story, or worked better being done in another way. We don't know at this point. We'll have to wait and see.



Because Nolan is not above this character and his history. Burton got *****ed out for altering Penguin and other changes - Nolan should get similar fan heat. The fans should start expecting more faithful adaptations - especially after films like Spider-Man and Iron Man.

Didn't we get a more faithful adaptation with Batman Begins? It's just as faithful as Spider-man (Peter has organic webshooters? He's know Mary Jane since high school? The Green Goblin is a Power Ranger) and Iron Man (Stark's butler is a computer?). Sometimes, changes from the comics can work very well. Why would Nolan all of a sudden believe he is above these characters and decide to **** with them for no reason? If he makes a change, he has a reason for it. He is the director, and I trust him. What he puts on film will hopefully prove why he went "against the comics".

[StorminNorman]

The organic webshooters is a great example. Raimi gave his Spider-man organic webshooters, which went against decades of Spider-man's history. Is Raimi arrogant for doing so? Didn't it work very well in the Spider-man films? Why call Nolan arrogant for making a similar change with the Joker, one that is not in line with the comics? He obviosuly has a reason for it, and it should prove to be effective on-screen.

Raimi explained it. I have not called Nolan arrogant, I have said - if he makes unneeded changed without explanation THEN he is arrogant (see the qualifier there?) If he has a reason - fine, I expect to be told.

Once again, this all comes down to personal preference. If Nolan did decide to alter Two Face's origin, chances are that it was for the sake of making his film better. Maybe the courtroom scene wasn't working for him in this film. Maybe it didn't fit the story, or worked better being done in another way. We don't know at this point. We'll have to wait and see.

Which is what I am welling to do. At this point we are working with what-ifs, and I am addressing just that - the what if's.

Didn't we get a more faithful adaptation with Batman Begins? It's just as faithful as Spider-man (Peter has organic webshooters? He's know Mary Jane since high school? The Green Goblin is a Power Ranger) and Iron Man (Stark's butler is a computer?). Sometimes, changes from the comics can work very well. Why would Nolan all of a sudden believe he is above these characters and decide to **** with them for no reason? If he makes a change, he has a reason for it. He is the director, and I trust him. What he puts on film will hopefully prove why he went "against the comics".

Thats exactly the point I have been making this entire time - this is a requirement for Nolan in this film.

I never called Batman Begins unfaithful. TDK is shaping up to take far more liberties with far more iconic characters.

[Drummerdude7]

To quote a certain superhero:

"It's what I DO that defines me."

Corny quote? Maybe....but I think this applies to many of the characters in this film. Looks and origins may change slightly but how the characters act remains unchanged, and to me, that's the most important part. Of course, I am not suggesting that looks and origins are not important. If Joker didn't laugh or if Two-Face had the side of his face reduced to a skeleton, it wouldn't be right would it? Loyalty to the looks and background story of the source material obviously have to be there in some form, otherwise the character is not the character.

TDK, from what we've seen and heard, really has remained faithful to both, while obviously taking liberties with them as well.

Take the Joker for example.
The changes: White makeup, painted lips, dyed green hair
However, the elements that make up his character are, imo, a stronger indicator of whether the character is being done justice. His hysterical laugh, his penchant for murder, and the all-around chaos and destruction his character causes are all present.

Now let's say Dent (for the sake of the argument) is scarred by the mob in an explosion/burning of some sort. Does it take away from the fact that Dent will become a psychotic murderer (and/or vigilante) with a ****ed up sense of justice?

[SalaciousVC]

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[DJ Kornphlake]

I am not debating as much as stating what Nolan SHOULD do.

But we don't know what he HAS done.

[CrypticOne]

To quote a certain superhero:

"It's what I DO that defines me."

Corny quote? Maybe....but I think this applies to many of the characters in this film. Looks and origins may change slightly but how the characters act remains unchanged, and to me, that's the most important part. Of course, I am not suggesting that looks and origins are not important. If Joker didn't laugh or if Two-Face had the side of his face reduced to a skeleton, it wouldn't be right would it? Loyalty to the looks and background story of the source material obviously have to be there in some form, otherwise the character is not the character.

TDK, from what we've seen and heard, really has remained faithful to both, while obviously taking liberties with them as well.

Take the Joker for example.
The changes: White makeup, painted lips, dyed green hair
However, the elements that make up his character are, imo, a stronger indicator of whether the character is being done justice. His hysterical laugh, his penchant for murder, and the all-around chaos and destruction his character causes are all present.

Now let's say Dent (for the sake of the argument) is scarred by the mob in an explosion/burning of some sort. Does it take away from the fact that Dent will become a psychotic murderer (and/or vigilante) with a ****ed up sense of justice?

Good post.

[StorminNorman]

Now let's say Dent (for the sake of the argument) is scarred by the mob in an explosion/burning of some sort. Does it take away from the fact that Dent will become a psychotic murderer (and/or vigilante) with a ****ed up sense of justice?

No - but it does ruin the beauty of the story.

Say Bruce Wayne grew up with a Mechanic named 'Lil Al and began his career as a costumeless vigilante before refining his craft and embracing the Batman persona given to him by the media (because of him punching people with a ring that left a bat shaped bruise). Does it take away from the fact that Batman becomes a Bat themed vigilante with personal sense of responsibility to create justice for Gotham? No. But Frank Miller's script got torn apart for offering us that different take.

My biggest problem here is that Nolan seems to get a pass by such an overwhelming majority of rabid batfans - when it is those fans that should be the loudest advocates for staying to the comics.

It seems that these fans have become more fans of the movie franchise than the character itself.

[CrypticOne]

No - but it does ruin the beauty of the story.

Say Bruce Wayne grew up with a Mechanic named 'Lil Al and began his career as a costumeless vigilante before refining his craft and embracing the Batman persona given to him by the media (because of him punching people with a ring that left a bat shaped bruise). Does it take away from the fact that Batman becomes a Bat themed vigilante with personal sense of responsibility to create justice for Gotham? No. But Frank Miller's script got torn apart for offering us that different take.

My biggest problem here is that Nolan seems to get a pass by such an overwhelming majority of rabid batfans - when it is those fans that should be the loudest advocates for staying to the comics.

It seems that these fans have become more fans of the movie franchise than the character itself.

I don't know, maybe the fans are riding with Nolan because he is taking this Batman series seriously, but doesn't want to copy everything, word for word. He wants something of his to be left behind too.

Nolan, in my opinion, is making the Batman character greater in these films. Now don't get me wrong, Batman has always been great, but there is something with Nolan that makes you like the guy and the way he does things. I don't have any argument against him, to me, TDK is perfect in everyway so far.

[StorminNorman]

I don't know, maybe the fans are riding with Nolan because he is taking this Batman series seriously, but doesn't want to copy everything, word for word. He wants something of his to be left behind too.

Nolan, in my opinion, is making the Batman character greater in these films. Now don't get me wrong, Batman has always been great, but there is something with Nolan that makes you like the guy and the way he does things. I don't have any argument against him, to me, TDK is perfect in everyway so far.

But they were bashing Frank Miller for taking similar liberties with Batman that Nolan is now taking with Two Face and Joker. Frank Goddamn Batman Miller. Nolan after one movie has proven to have a good enough handling of the character - but Frank Miller didn't earn that with Year One and TDKR?

TDK looks to be an absolutely amazing movie, a fantastic superhero movie. But it has yet to prove to be a great ADAPTATION.

[Drummerdude7]

No - but it does ruin the beauty of the story.

Say Bruce Wayne grew up with a Mechanic named 'Lil Al and began his career as a costumeless vigilante before refining his craft and embracing the Batman persona given to him by the media (because of him punching people with a ring that left a bat shaped bruise). Does it take away from the fact that Batman becomes a Bat themed vigilante with personal sense of responsibility to create justice for Gotham? No. But Frank Miller's script got torn apart for offering us that different take.

My biggest problem here is that Nolan seems to get a pass by such an overwhelming majority of rabid batfans - when it is those fans that should be the loudest advocates for staying to the comics.

It seems that these fans have become more fans of the movie franchise than the character itself.

I completley understand where you're coming from StorminNorman

I have to respectfully disagree with your comparison though.

Let me explain....
Throughout his existance, Batman has had a definitive origin: His parents are killed and he takes up the mantle of Batman to avenge them and stop crime.

Now you can tweak certain things about the origin while still keeping it intact. Tim Burton made the Joker the killer, rather than Joe Chill. However, regardless of who killed them, they were killed, and Bruce became Batman because of their deaths.

Two-Face also has a definitive origin: He is scarred by mobsters, which sends him over the edge and turns him into a psychotic murder with a twisted sense of justice

You can also tweak certain things about this origin. Nolan might make the cause of his scarring different by making it a burn instead of acid, but regardless of how it's done, Dent is still scarred and becomes Two-Face because of it.

[theShape]

No - but it does ruin the beauty of the story.

Say Bruce Wayne grew up with a Mechanic named 'Lil Al and began his career as a costumeless vigilante before refining his craft and embracing the Batman persona given to him by the media (because of him punching people with a ring that left a bat shaped bruise). Does it take away from the fact that Batman becomes a Bat themed vigilante with personal sense of responsibility to create justice for Gotham? No. But Frank Miller's script got torn apart for offering us that different take.

That's a taaaad more extreme of a difference than having Dent scarred by fire rather than acid.

My biggest problem here is that Nolan seems to get a pass by such an overwhelming majority of rabid batfans - when it is those fans that should be the loudest advocates for staying to the comics.

It seems that these fans have become more fans of the movie franchise than the character itself.

Or maybe we are simply more accepting of change and not comic Nazis. Tim Burton made the Joker the killer of Bruce's parents. Holy ****! That's different than the comics! But it was effective in the film and I still love that movie. Batman TAS had a very different origin for Two Face. Did I like it? Yeah, I did.

In my opinion, the only things that should strictly stick to the comic continuity...are the comics themselves. The movies give us a chance to see our favorite character come to life, maybe in a different way than we had imagined. I never thought I'd see a Joker that wasn't perma-white, but now we've got one and lets' be real...he looks great. Sure, he's different but he is the same character brought to life in a different way, just as Jack Nicholson's was.

Maybe Nolan gets a pass by some, but did you every think others may actually like the direction he is going in? Just because something isn't ripped directly from the comics doesn't automatically make it bad.

[CrypticOne]

That's a taaaad more extreme of a difference than having Dent scarred by fire rather than acid.



Or maybe we are simply more accepting of change and not comic Nazis. Tim Burton made the Joker the killer of Bruce's parents. Holy ****! That's different than the comics! But it was effective in the film and I still love that movie. Batman TAS had a very different origin for Two Face. Did I like it? Yeah, I did.

In my opinion, the only things that should strictly stick to the comic continuity...are the comics themselves. The movies give us a chance to see our favorite character come to life, maybe in a different way than we had imagined. I never thought I'd see a Joker that wasn't perma-white, but now we've got one and lets' be real...he looks great. Sure, he's different but he is the same character brought to life in a different way, just as Jack Nicholson's was.

Maybe Nolan gets a pass by some, but did you every think others may actually like the direction he is going in? Just because something isn't ripped directly from the comics doesn't automatically make it bad.

Exactly! :up:

[Crook]

Let me explain....
Throughout his existance, Batman has had a definitive origin: His parents are killed and he takes up the mantle of Batman to avenge them and stop crime.

Now you can tweak certain things about the origin while still keeping it intact. Tim Burton made the Joker the killer, rather than Joe Chill. However, regardless of who killed them, they were killed, and Bruce became Batman because of their deaths.
And that's a great example of how even what is seemingly a "small" change in the overall scheme of things, garners a big reaction from the fans. Burton still can't live that down.

Two-Face also has a definitive origin: He is scarred by mobsters, which sends him over the edge and turns him into a psychotic murder with a twisted sense of justice

You can also tweak certain things about this origin. Nolan might make the cause of his scarring different by making it a burn instead of acid, but regardless of how it's done, Dent is still scarred and becomes Two-Face because of it.
And a significant element of the tragedy behind that scene is lost. Browny points if you cant figure out what.

I mean, by this logic, people would be fine if Bruce's parents were killed by a vehicle being driven by criminals on the getaway after a bank robbery...or something that is significantly more different than a simple mugging.

Just because the end point is similar, does not change the fact that the road taken to get to that point isn't as important.

[Drummerdude7]

And that's a great example of how even what is seemingly a "small" change in the overall scheme of things, garners a big reaction from the fans. Burton still can't live that down.


And a significant element of the tragedy behind that scene is lost. Browny points if you cant figure out what.

I mean, by this logic, people would be fine if Bruce's parents were killed by a vehicle being driven by criminals on the getaway after a bank robbery...or something that is significantly more different than a simple mugging.

Just because the end point is similar, does not change the fact that the road taken to get to that point isn't as important.

You're right, and i did mention that in my previous post. It's not like the origin is not important, but (imo) the more important thing is the end point because that's who the character IS to the audience. Now of course, for some, like Norman, the road taken to get there is just as important, and i respect that, we all have our differences in opinion...some people liked what Burton did with Bruce's origin.......didn't Bob Kane say that he wished he had made the joker the killer of the Waynes?

[Crook]

You're right, and i did mention that in my previous post. It's not like the origin is not important, but (imo) the more important thing is the end point because that's who the character IS to the audience.
Then are you implying we should not explore the history of these characters, since it's (presumably) irrelevant to their current incarnation?

Now of course, for some, like Norman, the road taken to get there is just as important, and i respect that, we all have our differences in opinion...some people liked what Burton did with Bruce's origin.......
And those people are in the minority amongst the fan community. For good reason, imo.

I just don't see how anyone could dismiss the origins of these characters and focus solely on their endpoint. WHO and WHAT they are, are direct results of their journey. Despite ending in relatively the same point, make no mistake, drastic alterations are still very much present because of the different history.

didn't Bob Kane say that he wished he had made the joker the killer of the Waynes?
His opinions is irrelevant. While he may get credit for co-creating the character, the Batman we now know is a far cry from his original creation.

'Sides, he also said Kilmer was the best Batman, so erm... :down

[Drummerdude7]

Then are you implying we should not explore the history of these characters, since it's (presumably) irrelevant to their current incarnation?

Not at all. Perhaps i worded myself wrong. I am not saying the history is irrelevant....without the history we wouldn't have the character at all. However, i believe that a director can change the history slightly in an adaptation if they believe it will lend a greater purpose or weight to the character. Maybe Nolan believes that it will lend Two-Face better development if there is a different method of how the mob scars him. (if this is indeed the case he is proceeding with). Maybe he doesn't believe such a scene in the courtroom could work. Or maybe he does. Whether or not people like it is a matter of taste. However, the history in general is an important element, but it can be subject to some change.


And those people are in the minority amongst the fan community. For good reason, imo.

I just don't see how anyone could dismiss the origins of these characters and focus solely on their endpoint. WHO and WHAT they are, are direct results of their journey. Despite ending in relatively the same point, make no mistake, drastic alterations are still very much present because of the different history.

You are right, but I am not dismissing the origins at all, as i explained above. Could give me an example of how a different method of scarring could end in a drastic alteration for Dent's character? Just to clarify your point a little better.

His opinions is irrelevant. While he may get credit for co-creating the character, the Batman we now know is a far cry from his original creation.

'Sides, he also said Kilmer was the best Batman, so erm... :down

This is true.:oldrazz:

[StorminNorman]

His opinions is irrelevant. While he may get credit for co-creating the character, the Batman we now know is a far cry from his original creation.

'Sides, he also said Kilmer was the best Batman, so erm... :down

Exactly - now if FINGER had said he wish he would of made the Joker the Wayne's killer, it would hold more weight with me.

[StorminNorman]

I completley understand where you're coming from StorminNorman

I have to respectfully disagree with your comparison though.

Let me explain....
Throughout his existance, Batman has had a definitive origin: His parents are killed and he takes up the mantle of Batman to avenge them and stop crime.

Now you can tweak certain things about the origin while still keeping it intact. Tim Burton made the Joker the killer, rather than Joe Chill. However, regardless of who killed them, they were killed, and Bruce became Batman because of their deaths.

But, in Miller's story, Bruce parents were killed, he set out to avenge them and stop crime and ended up creating the mantle of Batman.

Two-Face also has a definitive origin: He is scarred by mobsters, which sends him over the edge and turns him into a psychotic murder with a twisted sense of justice

You can also tweak certain things about this origin. Nolan might make the cause of his scarring different by making it a burn instead of acid, but regardless of how it's done, Dent is still scarred and becomes Two-Face because of it.

Bruce's parents are still killed and he fights crime and becomes Batman because of it in Miller's story. The changes are incredibly similar.

Curious - how do you feel about B:TAS's Big Bad Harv?

[StorminNorman]

That's a taaaad more extreme of a difference than having Dent scarred by fire rather than acid.

Its not a tad more extreme than Dent being kidnapped by the mob, being beat up and left for dead in a pool of gasoline - which is what we are dealing with if the trailer scene of Harvey on the floor is the birth of Two Face.

Or maybe we are simply more accepting of change and not comic Nazis. Tim Burton made the Joker the killer of Bruce's parents. Holy ****! That's different than the comics! But it was effective in the film and I still love that movie. Batman TAS had a very different origin for Two Face. Did I like it? Yeah, I did.

In my opinion, the only things that should strictly stick to the comic continuity...are the comics themselves. The movies give us a chance to see our favorite character come to life, maybe in a different way than we had imagined. I never thought I'd see a Joker that wasn't perma-white, but now we've got one and lets' be real...he looks great. Sure, he's different but he is the same character brought to life in a different way, just as Jack Nicholson's was.

Maybe Nolan gets a pass by some, but did you every think others may actually like the direction he is going in? Just because something isn't ripped directly from the comics doesn't automatically make it bad.

I'm not saying that SLIGHT alteration are a bad thing - I have no problem with Burton's take on Joker and Batman's relationship.

I have grown to like the Joker, I have no problem with visual changes (my stance on him being permawhite was ALWAYS how it impacted the character, not the look).

And no, people are not defending Nolan changing things simply because they like the direction he is going simply because we don't even know if this is the direction he is going in. What we know is that if Dent is scarred right there on that floor - it is different from the comic origin. We don't know if it works or not on film, thus people can be willing to accept a difference, but not prefer it simply because they like his direction.

[Mladen]

Just HOW many times have these characters been changed over the years in numerous comic retcons?

If anything, changing random details willy-nilly is being truer to the comics than anything so far.

[Drummerdude7]

But, in Miller's story, Bruce parents were killed, he set out to avenge them and stop crime and ended up creating the mantle of Batman.

I've never read Miller's version unfortunately, so i don't know much about it's history...I was posting based on what you had said in your post, so excuse my ignorance.

Curious - how do you feel about B:TAS's Big Bad Harv?

As in the Big Bad Harv personality? or are you referring to Two-Face and the way he was scarred?

[Crook]

Not at all. Perhaps i worded myself wrong. I am not saying the history is irrelevant....without the history we wouldn't have the character at all. However, i believe that a director can change the history slightly in an adaptation if they believe it will lend a greater purpose or weight to the character. Maybe Nolan believes that it will lend Two-Face better development if there is a different method of how the mob scars him. (if this is indeed the case he is proceeding with). Maybe he doesn't believe such a scene in the courtroom could work. Or maybe he does. Whether or not people like it is a matter of taste. However, the history in general is an important element, but it can be subject to some change.
I'm not objecting to slight change. A lot of times, I even encourage it. But when the change serves to dilute the importance of said event, for the sake of it....then it comes off as eye-rollingly disappointing.

The only saving grace of this change, is how it adapts the straight-line scarring. But even I'm willing to admit, that's a pretty superficial reason to support it.

You are right, but I am not dismissing the origins at all, as i explained above. Could give me an example of how a different method of scarring could end in a drastic alteration for Dent's character? Just to clarify your point a little better.
Motivation.

Depending on who/where Dent is scarred, that event is very important in ultimately shaping his new personality and why he does what he does.

The court room is so integral to this character development. Sure, the scar itself is a key in turning Harvey, but the setting and method of it is even more important.

[StorminNorman]

Just HOW many times have these characters been changed over the years in numerous comic retcons?

If anything, changing random details willy-nilly is being truer to the comics than anything so far.

Batman is one of the few characters that has had very little reconned.

[Drummerdude7]

The only saving grace of this change, is how it adapts the straight-line scarring. But even I'm willing to admit, that's a pretty superficial reason to support it.

And that's even if that concept turns out to be the real deal....and besides, fire burn or acid burn, it wouldn't really leave a straight line down your face.

Motivation.

Depending on who/where Dent is scarred, that event is very important in ultimately shaping his new personality and why he does what he does.

The court room is so integral to this character development. Sure, the scar itself is a key in turning Harvey, but the setting and method of it is even more important.

Well in either case I think it will be a member of the mob who is the perpetrator. But the setting will play a role too, you're right. I still have hope for the acid scarring in court, because i do agree with you about the symbolism.

[Mladen]

Batman is one of the few characters that has had very little reconned.

except his entire personality

[StorminNorman]

I've never read Miller's version unfortunately, so i don't know much about it's history...I was posting based on what you had said in your post, so excuse my ignorance.

I understand and you certainly don't need to be excused for not knowing every failed bat-script, but I did mention those basic elements in my summary.

As in the Big Bad Harv personality? or are you referring to Two-Face and the way he was scarred?

Both really.

[StorminNorman]

except his entire personality

Not since the 70's - in fact if you ignore the 40-60's (the camp years of comics) he has been consistent since creation.

[Mladen]

Not since the 70's - in fact if you ignore the 40-60's (the camp years of comics) he has been consistent since creation.

I don't read him as being so obsessive/control freakish in the 70s, and he still came across as a nice guy at that point.
He's gotten progressively worse, especially since the 80s

Either way, I agree that Batman has gotten off lightly compared to the characters that surround him. But at least we're not getting the Paul Sloane, disfigured actor Two-face.

[Drummerdude7]

For Big Bad Harv: I enjoyed watching the different approach. They really played up on the multiple personality disorder and it was an interesting dynamic to observe.

For the scarring: It was strange at first, seeing the origin changed the way it was. After rewatching it though a few years later, I kinda got used to it and accepted it because I still got the same character of Two-Face out of the origin.

But that's just me, and sometimes it's cool to see the different ways that people can re-invent the characters.....and as much as we all enjoy the original origin, it gets kind of repetitive sometimes seeing the same thing done in every adaptation of the work imo. A slight change or a big change could make a character more interesting. But there are always going to be differences of opinion, and that's life.

[StorminNorman]

I don't read him as being so obsessive/control freakish in the 70s, and he still came across as a nice guy at that point.
He's gotten progressively worse, especially since the 80s

Either way, I agree that Batman has gotten off lightly compared to the characters that surround him. But at least we're not getting the Paul Sloane, disfigured actor Two-face.

He got more and more paranoid in the 90's, but the key aspects to the character and personality was always there. Even if he evolved to become more hardened.

The idea of an actor getting disfigured while playing Two Face was brilliant writing.:o

[Paste Pot Pete]

Didn't

Eckhart say Harvey is scarred with acid?

Wouldn't that make the shots in the trailer a red herring? I still think it happens in the courtoom.

[Mladen]

Didn't

Eckhart say Harvey is scarred with acid?

Wouldn't that make the shots in the trailer a red herring? I still think it happens in the courtoom.

I saw somebody else say this but they never backed it up with a link to the interview or whatever it came from. Do you have a source to this, I'd be interested in reading it?

[Nightmare]

Was it in the LA Times story?

[Figs]

I have a question for whoever feels they know the most about Two Face.

Over time having watched the animated series(90's) and reading a **** load of Batman comics I sometimes get confused about Harvey Dent/Two Face.

I get confused because different writers tend to tweak him a bit. Sometimes it seems like he has a split personality...one second Dent is in control another second Two Face takes charge. Other times it seems that he is fully aware of both and strictly needs the coin to decide if he is going to do right or wrong. Technically he uses the coin to decide either way since that is a big part of the character.

I'm just wondering which way are they going to have him in the movie. Especially after hearing Dent saying he had to film his scenes/lines twice. I'm wondering are they going to have him switching back and forth through editing quickly or is he just going to be himself and needs the coin to decide which side to take over.

Not sure if that all makes sense. I just realized that since Director's like to do their own spin on things, I was wondering what everyone thinks and or hopes he will be played out like in the film.

[Crook]

The alternative takes suggest a Two-Face that doesn't just portray his duality by relying on the coin. I'm sure it'll play a part in making his final decisions, but ultimately I'd at least hope there's always a constant battle of the personalities, that randomly shift at all times.

There was that one rumor where Nolan supposedly will superimpose both takes, so each "side" has it's own individual expression and movement. Not really sure how that'd work, but it sounds very interesting.

[Figs]

The alternative takes suggest a Two-Face that doesn't just portray his duality by relying on the coin. I'm sure it'll play a part in making his final decisions, but ultimately I'd at least hope there's always a constant battle of the personalities, that randomly shift at all times.

There was that one rumor where Nolan supposedly will superimpose both takes, so each "side" has it's own individual expression and movement. Not really sure how that'd work, but it sounds very interesting.


That's what I'm saying...about the superimposing. When they released that interview mentioning Eckhart doing two takes that was the first thing that came to mind. Me and my gf are crossing our fingers that that's how they show Two Face. With editing and CGI to superimpose that would look sooo badass!

You say your not sure how that would work. The way me and my gf think and hope it's going to work is like this.

He filmed his scenes twice, they didn't give any other details than that.

My gf and I are thinking and hoping that when Two Face takes over/is talking the Dent side will be calm and still, and vice versa.

That's what I think the superimposing and double takes are for. So he does the scene as Two Face and does it again not talking so they can use his still face to superimpose. So when we watch the film when he's talking as Two Face his Dent/unscarred side isn't moving. Without CGI and being able to superimpose that would be incredibly hard to do, talking out of one side of your mouth and making expressions trying to hold back the muscles on the other side of your face from bending and moving with the other.

Not sure if that makes sense, I have a hard time putting it in words but clearly know it in my head.

This way without having to switch camera angles/cuts you can focus on Eckarts face in a scene of dialogue while he jumps back and forth between his personalities. So while he's talking as Dent his scared side looks dead and emotionless, and when he's talking as Two Face the unscarred side is looking dead and emotionless.

[Crook]

That's what I'm saying...about the superimposing. When they released that interview mentioning Eckhart doing two takes that was the first thing that came to mind. Me and my gf are crossing our fingers that that's how they show Two Face. With editing and CGI to superimpose that would look sooo badass!
So Eckhart actually confirmed the two-take thing? I only remember it being rumored on darkhorizons. Got a link to this interview?

You say your not sure how that would work. The way me and my gf think and hope it's going to work is like this.

He filmed his scenes twice, they didn't give any other details than that.

My gf and I are thinking and hoping that when Two Face takes over/is talking the Dent side will be calm and still, and vice versa.
Well yeah, that's how I figured it as well. But what my confusion lies in the mechanics of filming this method. They'd practically need to shoot in the same angle/speed (which shouldn't be a problem), but Eckhart also needs to be in the same exact position(s) as his previous take. Now you add various head and body movements into the equation, it becomes a complicated process.

[metkalfe]

I find Dent more intriguing to watch than the Joker. Ledger's joker is like a combination of things Ive seen before channeling Beetlejuice,The Crow,Jack's joker and Mark Hamills. Dent's tragic villain path has a part of me that finds him endearing due to his vulnerability.

[ModestMr.Green]

I disagree. While Joker has alot of familiar elements to his character, he's also extremely unpredictable, and you never know just what's going on in his head.

No matter how much you change Two-Face, on the other hand, he's still going to be the same character, Mr. Boy Scout fighting the evils of Gotham, and bam, scarred, done, then it's just coin flipping and a menacing voice. (Either in your head or on screen.)

That's one of the things I liked about the BTAS take on the character, because that split personality popped out at random moments from the most trivial comments, and it added a Joker-like unpredictability to Dent.

[Crook]

Yes, but the very nature of the unpredictability, is predictable in itself.

[ActuallyRobin]

Yes, but the very nature of the unpredictability, is predictable in itself.

that's deep :o

[Mr. Superhero]

Yes, but the very nature of the unpredictability, is predictable in itself.
Not really.

I refer you to the great scene in Goodfellas where Joe Pesci whips out his gun and gives Spider a good seeing to.

[Batman jr.]

that's deep :o


Well, there's nothing to fear but fear itself :o

[cjblair]

Well, there's nothing to fear but fear itself :o


Except a lunatic with a hockey mask and chainsaw.

[Frank Noir]

Well, there's nothing to fear but fear itself :o

Fear Is A Place.

Ever seen 'Session 9'?

[Crook]

that's deep :o
That's---what she said? :o

Not really.

I refer you to the great scene in Goodfellas where Joe Pesci whips out his gun and gives Spider a good seeing to.
Yes....but that's Joe Pesci. He played the same type of character in Casino. Were you really that surprised over what he did? You might have not expected what exactly he'd do, but his character's nature is to perform random violence. At least that much can be predicted.

[Mr. Superhero]

Yes....but that's Joe Pesci. He played the same type of character in Casino. Were you really that surprised over what he did? You might have not expected what exactly he'd do, but his character's nature is to perform random violence. At least that much can be predicted.
I wasn't expecting it, no. That's why his character is so great in Goodfellas; 'cos he keeps on surprising you.

Something totally unpredictable can never be predictable, because then the act wouldn't be unpredictable to begin with. When I watched Goodfellas for the first time, and I reached the part where Spider tells Pesci to 'eff himself; sure, I was expecting SOMETHING, but I wasn't expecting him to pull out a gun and blow him away.

That utterly defines unpredictability, IMO.

[Crook]

You've never heard the phrase "expect the unexpected"? I realize how looking at it from a technical point of view kinda negates the phrase altogether, but it has a meaning of truth behind it.

[Mr. Superhero]

You've never heard the phrase "expect the unexpected"? I realize how looking at it from a technical point of view kinda negates the phrase altogether, but it has a meaning of truth behind it.
Of coarse I've heard the term. It's simply a moral fable, and revolves around no contextual circumstance, what-so-ever. You can never know when to expect the unexpected, because something unexpected happens when you don't expect it to.

[Crook]

Except when you readily prepare for the unexpected at all times, of course. :o

[Mr. Superhero]

Except when you readily prepare for the unexpected at all times, of course. :o
We can all expect the unexpected, but we don't know what the unexpected thing will be; thus making it unpredictable.

[JMadisonIV]

nm, just read the rule on this.

[Keymaker]

I saw No Country For Old Men today, and while a great film it left me annoyed a bit. I hate it how these comic characters have been around for 40, 50, 60 years but there are films showing up later that feature similar ideas, and when the actual comic films come out, everybody thinks they are ripping off those earlier movies. I'm talking about the coin toss... :woot: And there are many more examples.

[Kaizer]

I was thinking...and this is really a reference to a riddler-line in Forever.... If Harvey has that scarring...wouldn't he be picking on it constantly? I know I would

[turtlefocker]

delete

[Mr. Superhero]

I was thinking...and this is really a reference to a riddler-line in Forever.... If Harvey has that scarring...wouldn't he be picking on it constantly? I know I would
I suppose it's one of those questions similar to: "I wonder how Darth Vader takes a dump?"

[Batman jr.]

Except a lunatic with a hockey mask and chainsaw.

Don't forget the guy with the claws and the cool sweater...

[Batman jr.]

I find Dent more intriguing to watch than the Joker. Ledger's joker is like a combination of things Ive seen before channeling Beetlejuice,The Crow,Jack's joker and Mark Hamills. Dent's tragic villain path has a part of me that finds him endearing due to his vulnerability.


I don't agree with the Joker-part, but I'm very, very excited for TF.

[Figs]

So Eckhart actually confirmed the two-take thing? I only remember it being rumored on darkhorizons. Got a link to this interview?

Sorry, I can't remember which site had done the interview. I just remember reading it. Maybe someone else out there has it...I know a lot of fans save those links.

Well yeah, that's how I figured it as well. But what my confusion lies in the mechanics of filming this method. They'd practically need to shoot in the same angle/speed (which shouldn't be a problem), but Eckhart also needs to be in the same exact position(s) as his previous take. Now you add various head and body movements into the equation, it becomes a complicated process.


I agree that that's a problem in regards to slight body and head movements that could throw it off.

Then again since they would only be needing to film his still/motionless face to superimpose over one half of another take that actually has him talking it might work. They can do some pretty cool **** on computer now days.

Just use one take/performance that has him walking/moving and just superimpose the still half on his face. It might be hard to do since in one take he could turn his head to the left and when he does it again for the second take he turns his head to much or not enough.

This film can't come soon enough. As much as I can't wait to see some full scenes with Joker as well as Batman fighting(to see if Nolan improved his camera work) I really can't wait to see how Two Face is going to turn out.

[The Battousai]

I saw No Country For Old Men today, and while a great film it left me annoyed a bit. I hate it how these comic characters have been around for 40, 50, 60 years but there are films showing up later that feature similar ideas, and when the actual comic films come out, everybody thinks they are ripping off those earlier movies. I'm talking about the coin toss... :woot: And there are many more examples.

It's not really the same thing, though - he only uses the coin with the shop clerk and Carla Jean Moss. He obeys the coin's decision, ultimately, but it's not his main method as it is with Two-Face.

What exactly are these other examples, perchance?

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I suppose it's one of those questions similar to: "I wonder how Darth Vader takes a dump?"
I never thought about that, holy crap you just blew my mind

[The Guard]

People have been flipping coins for years. Two-Face didn't invent it either. Two-Face invented the "scarred" half of the coin.

[Keyser Soze]

People have been flipping coins for years. Two-Face didn't invent it either. Two-Face invented the "scarred" half of the coin.

Yes, I believe the coin aspect of Two-Face's character was inspired by the original "Scarface" film.

[CaptainClown]

I saw No Country For Old Men today, and while a great film it left me annoyed a bit. I hate it how these comic characters have been around for 40, 50, 60 years but there are films showing up later that feature similar ideas, and when the actual comic films come out, everybody thinks they are ripping off those earlier movies. I'm talking about the coin toss... :woot: And there are many more examples.
With Antoine the victim decides if they live or die by calling the coin.
With Two-face the coin decides if they live or die by the outcome of the flip.

[Omega Wizard]

Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face

[Nightmare]

With Antoine the victim decides if they live or die by calling the coin.
With Two-face the coin decides if they live or die by the outcome of the flip.

:hehe:

[TheDarkVictory]

Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face

SOURCE? THIS IS UNSUBSTANTIATED GOSSIP, SIR!

[escobar2248]

Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face

Johnny......

Please tell the contestant what he has won!!!......:whatever:

[theShape]

The results of the poll in this thread are quite shocking.

[Nightmare]

The results of the poll in this thread are quite shocking.

yeah that 0% is mind boggling.

[SalaciousVC]

Heres a Two-Face manip I started awhile back and Just Finished

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x135/symbiote24/GFGFDFGDF.png

[JackBauer24]

I posted this in the manip thread and nobody seemed to mind, so I thought I'd give it an airing here.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/2f.jpg

[ModestMr.Green]

Heres a Two-Face manip I started awhile back and Just Finished

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x135/symbiote24/GFGFDFGDF.png

No offense, but that looks more like a California Raisin whose Aaron Eckhart mask got torn than Two-Face.

[SalaciousVC]

Uh......Thanks :o

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I posted this in the manip thread and nobody seemed to mind, so I thought I'd give it an airing here.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/2f.jpg
That's pretty awesome, good job

[sagegrey]

Johnny......

Please tell the contestant what he has won!!!......:whatever:

Well, Bob, our lucky contestant has won The 2nd Edition Encyclopedia Internantional, a case of Turtle wax, and 2 tickets to see Rosie O'Donnell LIVE!!!

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL!!!

They have also won a lifetime supply of Rice-A-Roni, the San Francicso treat (Seabass Flavor)! Not to mention a lovely copy of our HOME GAME!!!

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Well, Bob, our lucky contestant has won The 2nd Edition Encyclopedia Internantional, a case of Turtle wax, and 2 tickets to see Rosie O'Donnell LIVE!!!

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL!!!

They have also won a lifetime supply of Rice-A-Roni, the San Francicso treat (Seabass Flavor)! Not to mention a lovely copy of our HOME GAME!!!
Wow, that guy really got the hook up. I wish I would've been on this show:csad::grin:

[cjblair]

Heres a Two-Face manip I started awhile back and Just Finished

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x135/symbiote24/GFGFDFGDF.png

According to Eckhart and the concept art you're being way to mild. Try exposed teeth, no hair and exposed cheek bones.:woot:

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

I'll bet the messed up side smells like holy hell

[sagegrey]

Wow, that guy really got the hook up. I wish I would've been on this show:csad::grin:

wait until they read the fine print. bring a camera, the look on their face will be priceless.

[Cagefighterkip]

That's pretty awesome, good job

holy s#!t

[sclabguy]

I posted this in the manip thread and nobody seemed to mind, so I thought I'd give it an airing here.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/2f.jpg

awesome

[cjblair]

I posted this in the manip thread and nobody seemed to mind, so I thought I'd give it an airing here.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/2f.jpg

Impressive, it's kinda a way of getting the leaked pic into the forum by claiming it's a manip.:woot: I remember someone did a really good sketch of the Joker Nurse. Maybe they'll allow the same thing here.

[cjblair]

I'll bet the messed up side smells like holy hell


Not as bad as someone's B.O. after wearing the Batsuit for an hour.

[Kaizer]

I suppose it's one of those questions similar to: "I wonder how Darth Vader takes a dump?"

then again, does he take a dump? does he even eat?

[CrypticOne]

With Antoine the victim decides if they live or die by calling the coin.
With Two-face the coin decides if they live or die by the outcome of the flip.

HAHA! Man, it would suck to be on the other side of the flipped coin.

[Papa Burgundy]

batman finishes is a awful title