Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[mad-sci]

I'll mention it, but doubt this'll happen.

Anyone else think the scarring will be due to Joker flower gag?

On the 1 hand, it's incredibly cheesy, and on the other, it's EXACTLY what the Joker would do.

[StorminNorman]

This idea fits extremely well with the definitive version of Harvey (well...basically my version of Harvey Dent) - so I am pleased.

Though I don't give this report any validity.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'll mention it, but doubt this'll happen.

Anyone else think the scarring will be due to Joker flower gag?

On the 1 hand, it's incredibly cheesy, and on the other, it's EXACTLY what the Joker would do.

I thought that as well when I first heard that the Joker may be responsible for scarring Dent.

[Nepenthes]

I don't know if he'll be able to outdo TLJs iconic performance in BF. For me, that WAS Harvey.

Dude you need to make it more obvious when you're joking around. You are joking right?

[itsthebatman]

Dude you need to make it more obvious when you're joking around. You are joking right?

You're right. it's second only to the definitive portrait in B:TAS.
*ducks as Stormin' Norman throws sharp objects at him*

[Nepenthes]

The flower.......cheesy and Joker-like at the same time. Hhmm, that's tough, but I'd err on the side of caution and say no. I also think the era of freaks in Gotham should arrive with Two-Face - the Joker should be an anomaly before it all sets in, and stuff like the flower might be too much too soon.

[Nepenthes]

duck again because I'm throwing a piano at you fella

:cwink:

[Crooklyn]

I don't agree that Ledger is not in the same league as Oldman, Caine etc. All they have on him is years and experiance. He's just as talented as them.
That's kind of a big exclusion, don't ya think? Years and experience have lots to do with how an actor cements himself in the industry.

:huh:

[StorminNorman]

You're right. it's second only to the definitive portrait in B:TAS.
*ducks as Stormin' Norman throws sharp objects at him*

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[itsthebatman]

The flower.......cheesy and Joker-like at the same time. Hhmm, that's tough, but I'd err on the side of caution and say no. I also think the era of freaks in Gotham should arrive with Two-Face - the Joker should be an anomaly before it all sets in, and stuff like the flower might be too much too soon.

If you look at current continuity, Joker was the first of the major villains to arrive on the scene (based on Year One, Monster Men, Mad Monk, TMWL, leading into TLH). So Joker could very well be the catalyst that causes the situation to spiral out of control. TMWL did have things like his henchmen dressed up as clowns, and didn't feel out of place. I'm 50-50 on the flower - it is SO Joker (see The Laughing Fish for how it could be done well).
Thinking about TMWL - man, would have loved to see Harvey in that story.

[itsthebatman]

duck again because I'm throwing a piano at you fella

:cwink:

Are you Superman's kid?:woot:

[Van Petrol]

As regrads to the flower idea. If this scene takes place in the courtroom (which I presume it will). I highly doubt Joker would be wearing any of his own clothing, let alone his flower. He'll most probably be wearing supplied regular clothing for inmates.

[Nepenthes]

That's kind of a big exclusion, don't ya think? Years and experience have lots to do with how an actor cements himself in the industry.

:huh:

Yeah of course but I'm saying he's in the same league just separated by age. You can't hold that against him. He's the same quality actor as Caine, Oldman etc when they were his age, and he'll be a similar acting icon when he's their age for sure.

[Silver Souper]

I don't like the idea of getting a healthy dose of Two Face in this film. I'd rather we just get a hint of him towards the end and then save full on Two Face for the third film.

my wishes exactly. Also- is it any LESS heroic if harvey saves a different female lead? Why does it have to be rachel!?! any woman close to bruce in TDK would be heroic. I hate this recasting bulls*%t

[Nepenthes]

If you look at current continuity, Joker was the first of the major villains to arrive on the scene (based on Year One, Monster Men, Mad Monk, TMWL, leading into TLH). So Joker could very well be the catalyst that causes the situation to spiral out of control. TMWL did have things like his henchmen dressed up as clowns, and didn't feel out of place. I'm 50-50 on the flower - it is SO Joker (see The Laughing Fish for how it could be done well).
Thinking about TMWL - man, would have loved to see Harvey in that story.

Yeah ^. But on screen the impact of the Joker is lessened if there's all sorts of craziness going on around him. Which includes flower tricks. Stuff should not be so zany yet. Two-Face is the catalyst because he's the perfect bridge between freaks, gangsters and Gotham justice.

[Superman79]

I don't know if he'll be able to outdo TLJs iconic performance in BF. For me, that WAS Harvey.

I know you're just joking, but I just threw up in my mouth a little due to that post...:csad:

[Silver Souper]

Yeah ^. But on screen the impact of the Joker is lessened if there's all sorts of craziness going on around him. Which includes flower tricks. Stuff should not be so zany yet. Two-Face is the catalyst because he's the perfect bridge between freaks, gangsters and Gotham justice.

i think the catalyst was the loosening of arkham at the end of begins. the stage has already been set, and two supervillains are already out there (scarecrow and joker). the whole film is going to see escalation so i doubt there'll be a second wave of freaks; as argued that will deminish the joker who they've already established.

[itsthebatman]

I know you're just joking, but I just threw up in my mouth a little due to that post...:csad:

good to see my plan worked:ninja: .

[saint sinner x]

That would be a sick ass idea man! Dent gets scarred because he was trying to protect rachel, and you know what would be more sick? If joker planned the whole thing and batman is being stalled by a couple of Maroni's men. That would make batman feel super guilty and that would back up Nolan's statement that Batman will struggle even more in the second one before things gets better. So, dent tries to protect rachel and rachel gets killed and dent gets scarred!!!!!!! Hell yea!!! and all because of the joker! hahahhahahaha SICK PLOT this movie will ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Castlewood]

That would be a sick ass idea man! Dent gets scarred because he was trying to protect rachel, and you know what would be more sick? If joker planned the whole thing and batman is being stalled by a couple of Maroni's men. That would make batman feel super guilty and that would back up Nolan's statement that Batman will struggle even more in the second one before things gets better. So, dent tries to protect rachel and rachel gets killed and dent gets scarred!!!!!!! Hell yea!!! and all because of the joker! hahahhahahaha SICK PLOT this movie will ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as a result, Dent hates Joker, and it causes a Three-Way-Fight between Batman, Joker, and Two-Face in the third movie!!!!

[raybia]

Don't know if this pic has been posted but here is a link of Harvey and the Joker...TOGETHER!

http://www.imdb.com/features/rto/2007/gallery/spirit07-press/43

[raybia]

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[Stringer]

I really like this idea, its nice change of pace from having Batman or Bruce doing all the saving

[Stringer]

And as a result, Dent hates Joker, and it causes a Three-Way-Fight between Batman, Joker, and Two-Face in the third movie!!!!
oh snap!!!!!!!!

[itsthebatman]

Don't know if this pic has been posted but here is a link of Harvey and the Joker...TOGETHER!

http://www.imdb.com/features/rto/2007/gallery/spirit07-press/43

Nice pis, but where ya been? Miranda had those up night before last. Anyone else think Heath looks like Vincent Price in that pic?

[ghost_x]

I really can't see the vincent price resemblance

[itsthebatman]

I really can't see the vincent price resemblance

#it was just my imagination... running away with me#

[ghost_x]

thats some active imaginations

[raybia]

Nice pis, but where ya been? Miranda had those up night before last. Anyone else think Heath looks like Vincent Price in that pic?

My bad. I've haven't really been here for a couple of days.

Glad to know that Miranda is on the scene and keeping order when I'm not around! :cwink:

[itsthebatman]

thats some active imaginations

if you only knew the half of it....

[itsthebatman]

So, what, in your view, should be the main reasons for Harvey's downfall in TDK? External, internal, or a bit of both?

[Darknightnomis]

Interesting idea, but I wouldn't give those guys at CHUD that much creditablity.

Has another source confirm this? Latino review perhaps, those guys are always on the money.

[Miranda Fox]

Interesting idea, but I wouldn't give those guys at CHUD that much creditablity.

Has another source confirm this? Latino review perhaps, those guys are always on the money.

Nope and Jett hasn't commented either.

[Juggernaut33]

Nope and Jett hasn't commented either.

He won't. Jett doesn't want BOF to be a spoiler site.

[itsthebatman]

Interesting idea, but I wouldn't give those guys at CHUD that much creditablity.

Has another source confirm this? Latino review perhaps, those guys are always on the money.

Just read a piece on LR where they were talking about Star Trek XI. An official statement from the studio confirmed JJ Abrams would be directing it, along with some suspected casting announcements. This in direct contradiction of their piece a few weeks ago that JJA had left the project. LR are good, but they do slip up now and again.
Having said that, they've been on the ball about TDK so far.

[itsthebatman]

Interesting idea, but I wouldn't give those guys at CHUD that much creditablity.

Has another source confirm this? Latino review perhaps, those guys are always on the money.

double post

[DorkyFresh]

bit of both. i like when there's more than one thing influencing a character. it makes it more believable.

[saint sinner x]

And as a result, Dent hates Joker, and it causes a Three-Way-Fight between Batman, Joker, and Two-Face in the third movie!!!!


IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE SINCE JOKER WILL BE A REBEL DEVIL HE WILL BE A THREAT TO BOTH GOOD AND EVIL, I HAVE A FEELING THE JOKER WILL FIRST FORM AN ALLIANCE TO THE MOB IN THE DARK KNIGHT THEN HE WILL BETRAYE THEM HAHHAHHAHAH, THIS SOME SINISTER SATANIC JOINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[Stringer]

Both. Inner demons can explain the more drastic change(attitude) while the city adds the subtle(beliefs).

[Miranda Fox]

He won't. Jett doesn't want BOF to be a spoiler site.

That's right, I forgot about that.

[Nepenthes]

Gotham feeds all inner demons

[The Only Woj]

Rachel Dawes. She gives him some lecture then slaps him in the face once, pauses, then slaps him again.

[The Only Woj]

Just read a piece on LR where they were talking about Star Trek XI. An official statement from the studio confirmed JJ Abrams would be directing it, along with some suspected casting announcements. This in direct contradiction of their piece a few weeks ago that JJA had left the project. LR are good, but they do slip up now and again.
Having said that, they've been on the ball about TDK so far.

read that post people! he asks what they can do to make up for the error. everyone email the guy and tell him that reviewing that TDK script/treatment would make up for it.

[Miranda Fox]

read that post people! he asks what they can do to make up for the error. everyone email the guy and tell him that reviewing that TDK script/treatment would make up for it.

LOL! Good idea. :woot: :up:

[Robin91939]

I'd rather Dent scarred in a courtroom. I want someone with a vendetta against him that he is trying to be the one to throw the acid. And I want it to be a symbol of the fact that law and order means nothing in Gotham City and that criminals will do what they want.

I want it to be a personal act against Dent, not against Rachel. Dent should be the brash new DA that ruffles feathers and pisses the mob off.

-R

[Arkard]

So... maybe he and Rachel can have an affair OR simply be lovers (you know, Harvey being either married or not), so they will try to get to Rachel to hurt him more. Makes sense.

[Silver Souper]

great post- and I agree with Nepenthes- "gotham feeds all inner demons"

[Silver Souper]

And as a result, Dent hates Joker, and it causes a Three-Way-Fight between Batman, Joker, and Two-Face in the third movie!!!!

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRING IT!

[Cinemaman]

I doubt that's true, but teh whole idea of saving Rachel sounds good. Still, I don't like "a face full of acid" part, Dent must always have acid scars on one of his face's halfs.

[Silver Souper]

i'm sure they won't cover him totally. we've already seen darkman. there's nothing fantastical about being hit on one half of the face vs. the whole. just a positioning thing. a profile shot.

[Silver Souper]

eff my server

[Superman79]

Don't know if this pic has been posted but here is a link of Harvey and the Joker...TOGETHER!

http://www.imdb.com/features/rto/2007/gallery/spirit07-press/43

Harvey's hair should look EXACTLY like that too...:oldrazz:

[ghost_x]

^ no way! slicked back is the only apollo I know

[StorminNorman]

I am not that opinionated on the issue. :o

[kenellard]

I doubt that's true, but teh whole idea of saving Rachel sounds good. Still, I don't like "a face full of acid" part, Dent must always have acid scars on one of his face's halfs.

yeah bro I think the "face full of acid" thing is meant figuritavely

[Excel]

Ok, I think it is time we tried to contact DeepThroat; too many of his little hints seem to be coming true.

[Lando81]

As cool as that spoiler is, Devin is a complete dip**** and I don't trust a word he says.

Miranda and I are of the same mind.....so to speak.


Wasnt that in BF? The "Same Mind" Part?

[Miranda Fox]

Ok, I think it is time we tried to contact DeepThroat; too many of his little hints seem to be coming true.

That would be a good idea. :up:

Miranda and I are of the same mind.....so to speak.

;)

Seriously, this is the guy that basically decided he's going to like FF2 more than TDK. He has no credibility whatsoever.

[regwec]

So, what, in your view, should be the main reasons for Harvey's downfall in TDK? External, internal, or a bit of both?

An excellent question, and the answer is clearly that both themes should come into play. It is the mark of a tragic hero that they fail as a result of something innate, stimulated by conspiracy or circumstance. With Harvey, the former may be his sense of social impotence or preofessional perfectionalism, and the latter may be the sheer horrors of enforcing the writ of law in Gotham. A nice contrast is thus formed between Harvey and Bruce: their objectives are the same, but Bruce is simply more resiliant.

[Katsuro]

Rachel Dawes. She gives him some lecture then slaps him in the face once, pauses, then slaps him again.

Maybe that's how he gets scarred. Rachel slaps him until his face is damaged beyond repair. She can slap pretty hard afterall.

[Superman79]

^ no way! slicked back is the only apollo I know

I was joking. Hence the :oldrazz:

Thanks for playing anyway :woot:

[Stringer]

That would be a good idea. :up:



;)

Seriously, this is the guy that basically decided he's going to like FF2 more than TDK. He has no credibility whatsoever.
How did he imply that?

[Miranda Fox]

How did he imply that?

He said that awhile ago. I don't have a link to hand, but he definitely said it.

[batman11]

Should be both, we don't want too emotional, you know, crying and weeping al the time. Don't want him to turn into one of those people who smiles on the outside, but is crying on the inside :oldrazz:

[batman11]

On another note, I'm so happy to be back here on the Batman boards, things are pretty chaotic over at Spider-Man 3, anyone seen what gamemiester has done?

[Stringer]

Wow he actually said that? Ridiculous.

[batman11]

I kinda like the idea above about Rachel and Harvey kinda having a thing. That way if this Rachel being saved by Harvey thing comes true, at least there'd be some credibility to it. Also, if we did get a glimpse of Two-Face or even notification that Harvey has evolved into Two-Face in the film, I'd like it to work out so that we can have a Nolan-esque twist. My idea:

Harvey and Rachel develop a relationship (on a side note this produces some jealousy from Bruce) and become in love, however, Rachel doesn't know that Harvey is responsible for two of the gang murders (assuming Joker is killing gang members in this film). Rachel finds out something that makes her suspicious and she sneaks around Harvey's office trying to figure it out. Then she is abducted by the mob and taken away; a note is left for Harvey. Dent then violates his pact with Gordon and Bats by going after Rachel alone, and ending up taking the acid instead of her and being left for dead. Batman comes and saves Rachel but Harvey is nowhere to be found. Rachel then finds out that Harvey was responsible for the murders but he returns (we do not see his face) and kills Rachel. Now, if Dent doesn't get scarred protecting Rachel, I'd still like him to kill Rachel after she finds out too much, but then he leaves a Joker card, and we see the trial where Harvey is scared.

In order for this to work in a Nolan-esque way, I'd like the movie to start with Rachel's murder, and all we see is a dark figure put down the Joker card (tying in the end of Begins a bit), then we flash back to near the end of Begins and the movie rolls on. Eventually we get to Rachel's death, and the audience is shocked to find that Harvey kills her. Then in the third film Batman can investigate this and find out Joker's innocent (hopefully we could get a scene in TDK that is like the scene in HUSH where bats almost kills the Joker over supposedly killing Tommy Elliot). Also, if the movie were to have a cliff hanger, I'd love for Batman to be in an office investigating Rachel's murder, and then mutter out loud, "He didn't kill her." You then hear a coin flip and you see a silhouette of a man who tosses the coin over to Bats, and he says in a different tone than we've heard out of him "NO, I DID!" (I'd also be cool if Harvey had the coin during the film, all to make this scene more epic)

Anyhow I know this may be irrelevant, but I think Nolan can twist the movie many ways around things such as Harvey sacrificing himself. BTW good scoop on the article. ;)

[Miranda Fox]

Wow he actually said that? Ridiculous.

Yeah, he said something like he liked Fantastic Four better than BB so chances are he'd like FF2: Rise of the Silver Surfer more than TDK.

Interesting display of pretzel logic, that.

[Muziko]

Rachel Dawes. She gives him some lecture then slaps him in the face once, pauses, then slaps him again.

LoL... good one. :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah, he said something like he liked Fantastic Four better than BB so chances are he'd like FF2: Rise of the Silver Surfer more than TDK.

Interesting display of pretzel logic, that.

Well, to be fair, and I really have no idea who this guy is, it is ok for someone to like one movie more than BB, even if it is FF. :cwink: If he said that FF was a better movie than BB then he would come off as sounding silly. But I have no problem if someone says that they like FF more than BB or are looking forward to FF2 more than TDK, it's all personal preference. Different strokes for different folks. :yay:

[Miranda Fox]

Well, to be fair, and I really have no idea who this guy is, it is ok for someone to like one movie more than BB, even if it is FF. :cwink: If he said that FF was a better movie than BB then he would come off as sounding silly. But I have no problem if someone says that they like FF more than BB or are looking forward to FF2 more than TDK, it's all personal preference. Different strokes for different folks. :yay:

Oh, I don't disagree, it's just that Devin can't express his opinion without a) stating it like it's somehow fact and b) basically being twunt about it. He's been dogging TDK since press release. I dunno, maybe I'd be more impressed if he had more of an open mind about this film and wasn't a complete ******* in general?

But you're right, he is entitled to his opinion.

[thedarks0ldier]

What if Harvey get's scarred by Joker, and as his face is burning Rachael slips and tasers him in the face because scarecrows toxin started messing with her and Zsaz cuts his face after the Ra's hits his face with a train... That would be awesome!!!!

[The Only Woj]

What if Harvey get's scarred by Joker, and as his face is burning Rachael slips and tasers him in the face because scarecrows toxin started messing with her and Zsaz cuts his face after the Ra's hits his face with a train... That would be awesome!!!!

and then Rachel slaps him twice on his scarred side of the face

[batman7289]

i hope so. that would be a great idea.

[Hunter Rider]

Idea sounds good to me and I'm now wondering how much Two Face we will get in TDK.......hope they stay away from the love triangle though

[Miranda Fox]

Idea sounds good to me and I'm now wondering how much Two Face we will get in TDK.......hope they stay away from the love triangle though

Agreed about that last one.

Otherwise, yes, I agree it is a nice concept and a fresh take on Dent's scarring.

I still don't trust the source though.

[David Rice]

I'm going to have to be the first one that says this idea sucks balls.

Don't go changing around stuff. The Joker should not have anything to do with Dent becoming Two Face and neither should Rachel.

This is the problem we had with the first Batman. Why change something when it already works. If It's not broken, don't fix it.

[Excel]

What? all we know is maroni scared denti ncourt. having him protecitng rachel isnt destroying anything.

[Nina7]

As cool as that spoiler is, Devin is a complete dip**** and I don't trust a word he says.

I concur. Devin is quite unpleasant and I wouldn't trust him either.

As I recall, he was very negative towards Batman Begins. He also seems to have a rather unhealthy dislike for Bale. Read Devin's Prestige review, it's so anti-Bale that one would think that Bale had personally insulted everyone in Devin's family.

[David Rice]

What? all we know is maroni scared denti ncourt. having him protecitng rachel isnt destroying anything.

No, I don't mean that. I mean this **** about protecting her and joker being behind the hole thing. BULL****!!!!!!!

The Long Halloween! Read it!

[David Rice]

I concur. Devin is quite unpleasant and I wouldn't trust him either.

As I recall, he was very negative towards Batman Begins. He also seems to have a rather unhealthy dislike for Bale. Read Devin's Prestige review, it's so anti-Bale that one would think that Bale had personally insulted everyone in Devin's family.

Yep! I agree! Jackass!

[Miranda Fox]

I concur. Devin is quite unpleasant and I wouldn't trust him either.

As I recall, he was very negative towards Batman Begins. He also seems to have a rather unhealthy dislike for Bale. Read Devin's Prestige review, it's so anti-Bale that one would think that Bale had personally insulted everyone in Devin's family.

Oh, he's one of those people who thinks Christian just 'plays the same roles' all the time. I didn't know he'd got that bad though...further proof of his utter twuntishness.

[Hunter Rider]

Agreed about that last one.

Otherwise, yes, I agree it is a nice concept and a fresh take on Dent's scarring.

I still don't trust the source though.

I think it has some interesting connotations for sure and the love triangle is getting dull in these films

Neither do i

[CConn]

I'm going to have to be the first one that says this idea sucks balls.

Don't go changing around stuff. The Joker should not have anything to do with Dent becoming Two Face and neither should Rachel.

This is the problem we had with the first Batman. Why change something when it already works. If It's not broken, don't fix it.It's a "problem" we had with Batman Begins.

Ra's Al Ghul didn't have anything to do with Batman's creation. Henry Ducard was an actual guy, and not a disguise for Ra's. The Scarecrow never did business with Ra's, he never ran Arkham Asylum. Hell, Rachel doesn't even exist in comics.

Now, if you enjoy Batman Begins (maybe you don't, I dunno), why would you now have a problem with this change being done in TDK? Or rather, how could you not expect a change like this in TDK? The exact same kind of thing has happened in not only every Batman movie, but every superhero movie released thus far.

[David Rice]

It's a "problem" we had with Batman Begins.

Ra's Al Ghul didn't have anything to do with Batman's creation. Henry Ducard was an actual guy, and not a disguise for Ra's. The Scarecrow never did business with Ra's, he never ran Arkham Asylum. Hell, Rachel doesn't even exist in comics.

Now, if you enjoy Batman Begins (maybe you don't, I dunno), why would you now have a problem with this change being done in TDK? Or rather, how could you not expect a change like this in TDK? The exact same kind of thing has happened in not only every Batman movie, but every superhero movie released thus far.

The "problem" we had with Begins and Batman were not even the same thing. Everything you just talked about didn't change the outcome of the film. It only added to it. Making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne parents changed the out come of the film. HE HAD TO DIE! It made the film more dramatic.

If the Joker is behind Dent getting scared, Two Face would wage no stop war against him. The Joker would do the same. THEY WOULD KILL EACH OTHER! Changing the outcome of the film.

Oh, your last statment is wrong by the way.

[The Only Woj]

I'm not sure if I like the Joker scarring Dent. The reason for me is that I would think that, while he wants to capture a murderer, Dent almost doesn't mind that the Joker is killing mob members. Batman is on the side of good, Joker is on the side of bad, and Dent is swaying around the center point of the two. might be interesting if you find out later some of the murders that happened weren't the Joker at all, but were actually Dent (maybe not all of them, but some).

[David Rice]

I'm not sure if I like the Joker scarring Dent. The reason for me is that I would think that, while he wants to capture a murderer, Dent almost doesn't mind that the Joker is killing mob members. Batman is on the side of good, Joker is on the side of bad, and Dent is swaying around the center point of the two. might be interesting if you find out later some of the murders that happened weren't the Joker at all, but were actually Dent (maybe not all of them, but some).

Thank you Woj! You da man! I agree!

[batman44]

Gimme alittle bit of both, but more on the crushed by Gotham's corruption side.

[Johnichi Chiba]

I'm not sure if I like the Joker scarring Dent. The reason for me is that I would think that, while he wants to capture a murderer, Dent almost doesn't mind that the Joker is killing mob members. Batman is on the side of good, Joker is on the side of bad, and Dent is swaying around the center point of the two. might be interesting if you find out later some of the murders that happened weren't the Joker at all, but were actually Dent (maybe not all of them, but some).

I agree with this. However, one of the main reasons why I don't like the idea of Joker scarring Dent is because the birth of Two Face should happen as a result of the escalation of the war between Gotham's old mobsters versus the freaks. Having a mobster scar Dent would make more sense if they were going with that story point.

[StorminNorman]

The easiest way to make sure I do not like TDK is for Nolan to copy the Timm/Dini Two Face.

If he does it, so help me CConn I am going to hunt down that Brit and turn him into tea :cmad:

[The Only Woj]

I agree with this. However, one of the main reasons why I don't like the idea of Joker scarring Dent is because the birth of Two Face should happen as a result of the escalation of the war between Gotham's old mobsters versus the freaks. Having a mobster scar Dent would make more sense if they were going with that story point.

Dent becomes a 'freak' himself. by being scarred by the Joker, you assume the Joker is his enemy. I'd rather it be someone in the mob. That way, you have Dent and Batman trying to by the books fight crime; and then later have Joker and Two-Face killing off the mob for their own personal control issues. I just hope none of us come up with an idea that turns out to be better than whatever Nolan gives us in TDK. condensing Joker and Dent/Two-Face into one two hour film is going to be a big challenge.

[David Rice]

I agree with this. However, one of the main reasons why I don't like the idea of Joker scarring Dent is because the birth of Two Face should happen as a result of the escalation of the war between Gotham's old mobsters versus the freaks. Having a mobster scar Dent would make more sense if they were going with that story point.

YES! You da man Super!

[stackhouse64]

With all the kill Rachel thread & some bashing posts because of Selina and Talia fans maybe Nolan wanted to show some fans who's the boss.
How funny it will be if Rachel has more screentime than Alfred and Gordon.
Same with Bosworth who said Lois Lane will have a bigger story arc for the next Superman or did I read it wrong maybe have a spin off on Lois Lane? Yikes.

[The Only Woj]

With all the kill Rachel thread & some bashing posts because of Selina and Talia fans maybe Nolan wanted to show some fans who's the boss.
How funny it will be if Rachel has more screentime than Alfred and Gordon.
Same with Bosworth who said Lois Lane will have a bigger story arc for the next Superman or did I read it wrong maybe have a spin off on Lois Lane? Yikes.

who the hell woudl watch a Lois Lane movie? and she was nearly the central character in Returns. between Bosworth and her forehead and collar bones that could kill, she had enough screentime in Returns.

screentime:
Bruce/Batman, Dent, Gordon, Alfred, Joker, Rachel

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Is that whole Jamie Foxx as Dent a rumor someone started or an early April's fool joke?

[CConn]

The "problem" we had with Begins and Batman were not even the same thing. Everything you just talked about didn't change the outcome of the film. It only added to it. Making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne parents changed the out come of the film. HE HAD TO DIE! It made the film more dramatic.

If the Joker is behind Dent getting scared, Two Face would wage no stop war against him. The Joker would do the same. THEY WOULD KILL EACH OTHER! Changing the outcome of the film..Hmm. You make a good point. However, you overlook one thing, I think. Why do they have to kill each other? Obviously, they'd try to kill each other, they'd want to kill each other, but I don't think there situation is quite like B89's where a death is a necessity for closure with the film. Joker won't be protagonist of any of the films. And I think that changes the situation a great deal.

In fact, I must say, I do sorta see why Nolan might want that...duel to the death between Joker and Two-Face. Having them pitted against each other would make one hell of a subplot, at least.

[itsthebatman]

and then Rachel slaps him twice on his scarred side of the face

Dude, you really have a complex about Rachel slapping people. You must have loved that scene in BB.

[ghost_x]

I think it was as serious a rumour as the one's like matt damon, josh (the one from hulk) and guy pearce. With rumours you can never be sure if they were real until confirmation

[RedIsNotBlue]

Is that whole Jamie Foxx as Dent a rumor someone started or an early April's fool joke?

I think it was just some kind of offshoot rumor of Denzel Washington.

[itsthebatman]

I am not that opinionated on the issue. :o

He-he-he.:cwink:

[Arkard]

If he does it, so help me CConn I am going to hunt down that Brit and turn him into tea
What type of tea?

[itsthebatman]

What type of tea?

I was wondering that myself. Peppermint or Earl Grey. 'Make it so'.

[Octoberist]

Devin of Chud tries too hard to be so self-important. He can be funny, but he's the worst thing on that site. I really miss Nick..

[ultimatefan]

I'm going to have to be the first one that says this idea sucks balls.

Don't go changing around stuff. The Joker should not have anything to do with Dent becoming Two Face and neither should Rachel.

This is the problem we had with the first Batman. Why change something when it already works. If It's not broken, don't fix it.

Batman Begins changed a lot of details from comics and it still worked and was true to the core elements. From the sound of it, Dent is still an attorney looking for Justice who gets scarred by a criminal, in court. That´s the most important. Even his origin had different approaches in comics. I mean, iniitially his only reason to be Two-Face was the scarring...

[ultimatefan]

Devin of Chud tries too hard to be so self-important. He can be funny, but he's the worst thing on that site. I really miss Nick..

His axe to grind attitude towards Begins made me give up on the site completely, and it looks like I haven´t missed much, given how little stuff seems to come from there. Nick left? One more reason.

[ultimatefan]

The "problem" we had with Begins and Batman were not even the same thing. Everything you just talked about didn't change the outcome of the film. It only added to it. Making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne parents changed the out come of the film. HE HAD TO DIE! It made the film more dramatic.

If the Joker is behind Dent getting scared, Two Face would wage no stop war against him. The Joker would do the same. THEY WOULD KILL EACH OTHER! Changing the outcome of the film.

Oh, your last statment is wrong by the way.

You know a lot about the outcome of the movie for someone who didn´t see it.

[Miranda Fox]

You know a lot about the outcome of the movie for someone who didn´t see it.

LOL!

[itsthebatman]

On another note, I'm so happy to be back here on the Batman boards, things are pretty chaotic over at Spider-Man 3, anyone seen what gamemiester has done?

What did he do?

[Two-Face]

This is great news, while Harvey trying to protect Rachel gets scard by The Joker? I hope it's Maroni that Dent's assistant gives like in TLH.

[The Only Woj]

Dude, you really have a complex about Rachel slapping people. You must have loved that scene in BB.

I love how Bale looks like he may punch her in the face after she tells him that his father would be ashamed

[bane]

my new Dent manip:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4541/harveyiz5.jpg

[Ceb-Man]

I really like the way this sounds. I looking to see Two-Face as I am The Joker in the new films.

[Leon the Professional]

Making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne parents changed the out come of the film. HE HAD TO DIE! It made the film more dramatic.


Joker did NOT have to die for it to be dramatic. Burton made a poor choice to have Joker be the killer of Bruce's parents, and he made another poor choice by having the Joker die instead of being put into Arkham.

Have you seen Minority Report? Tom Cruise's character finally finds the man who he believes kidnapped and killed his son years ago, maybe even sexually abused him, but he demonstrates the incredible willpower to arrest him instead of killing him. And that was a very dramatic scene.

(I'm not some big fan of Minority Report, it just came to mind.)

[jimmy]

This film is going to be glorious.

[itsthebatman]

Joker did NOT have to die for it to be dramatic. Burton made a poor choice to have Joker be the killer of Bruce's parents, and he made another poor choice by having the Joker die instead of being put into Arkham.

Have you seen Minority Report? Tom Cruise's character finally finds the man who he believes kidnapped and killed his son years ago, maybe even sexually abused him, but he demonstrates the incredible willpower to arrest him instead of killing him. And that was a very dramatic scene.

(I'm not some big fan of Minority Report, it just came to mind.)

Well, I think the main point is that Bats wouldn't kill, in any circimstances, even for personal vengeance, and B89 ignored that.

[The Only Woj]

Joker did NOT have to die for it to be dramatic. Burton made a poor choice to have Joker be the killer of Bruce's parents, and he made another poor choice by having the Joker die instead of being put into Arkham.

Have you seen Minority Report? Tom Cruise's character finally finds the man who he believes kidnapped and killed his son years ago, maybe even sexually abused him, but he demonstrates the incredible willpower to arrest him instead of killing him. And that was a very dramatic scene.

(I'm not some big fan of Minority Report, it just came to mind.)

Burton didn't have a ton of control. Seeing as the cathedral scene was largely Jon Peters', I wouldn't be surprised if it was his doing

[TheBat812]

it would be great if you made the change more subtle and organic.

[Mac_Hine]

That's pretty good there Bane. Good job.

[StorminNorman]

I was wondering that myself. Peppermint or Earl Grey. 'Make it so'.

You know that type of tea that everyone loves?

Yea, its not that.

[ghost_x]

tis good

[Nina7]

Devin of Chud tries too hard to be so self-important. He can be funny, but he's the worst thing on that site. I really miss Nick..

God, so much word to your post.

What? Nick's gone? Now there's absolutely no reason to go on that site.

[CConn]

Well, I think the main point is that Bats wouldn't kill, in any circimstances, even for personal vengeance, and B89 ignored that.
Batman didn't kill the Joker in B89. At least, not outright.

[Cristo]

And, guess what else? It's revealed in the Dark Knight that the Joker made Chill testify for the murder of Wayne's parents when he was really Chill in disguise all along! The ultimate joke is going to be on Bruce!

Isn't that cool?

[LadyVader]

my new Dent manip:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4541/harveyiz5.jpg


"It's curtains for you, Batman. Curtains!"
:)

[Assassin]

i have to say...Nolan has a nack for casting...


Batman - Bale
Alfred - Caine
Ducard/Ra's - Neeson
Ra's decoy - Watanabe
Scarecrow - Murphy
Falcone - Wilkinson
Fox - Freeman
Gordon - Oldman

the only casting i didn't like Holmes and she's now replaced with the infinitely better Maggie Gyllenhaal and we also have Ledger as Joker and Eckhart as Dent.

the only thing that would be anymore perfect than who's already cast would be Jolie as Catwoman.....omg!


Thats a joke right? ****, tell me you're joking.

[Octoberist]

God, so much word to your post.

What? Nick's gone? Now there's absolutely no reason to go on that site.

Nick is not officially gone. He still does SOME articles here and there, but pretty much, the mantle has been pass down to Devin. If you noticed, it's mostly Devin now anyway.

Nick has his other site that he's working on now, along with producing "Meg" the movie.

[TripXyDE]

but still, it could be possible for them to have been childhood friends

[ghost_x]

I really wouldn't like to see Jolie as catwoman. I like to see actors who you wouldn't think of for the role, they always bring the most interesting performances. This is why I'm so excited to see what ledger's going to do

[Pythenis]

Harvey should have a line in the movie like......"I left Metropolis to come here and turn this city around, and thats what were going to do."

[Nepenthes]

Thats a joke right? ****, tell me you're joking.

Maggie is awesome I want to marry her

really wouldn't like to see Jolie as catwoman. I like to see actors who you wouldn't think of for the role, they always bring the most interesting performances

:up:

[Arkard]

Seriously, I KNOW I am not the only one who thinks Katie Holmes is not attractive. She has nice b00bs but without a "Rain and a tanktop scene" (plus a paper bag over head head) that little advantage is loosing all meaning.
And I DO find Maggie cute. Different strokes my friend.

[Apollo]

there are millions of people in gotham city...havey dent was there, couldnt we just assume he was just out in the crowd

joker was in gotham city during batman begins, he was just out in the crowd :)

heck every charactor was in gotham city, they were just out in the crowd,

[ghost_x]

I think holmes is hot, but she couldn't get that paper bag off her head through acting thats for sure

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Maybe he was on vacation when Bruce returned to save Gotham?

[FlawlessVictory]

I really wouldn't like to see Jolie as catwoman. I like to see actors who you wouldn't think of for the role, they always bring the most interesting performances. This is why I'm so excited to see what ledger's going to do

I totally agree. My choice for Catwoman would be Natalie Portman.

[itsthebatman]

I totally agree. My choice for Catwoman would be Natalie Portman.

too young, too short.

[ghost_x]

not sexy enough

[BatScot]

There is no excuse.

[Dark Sentinel]

the idea that Bruce and Harvey were friends at Princeton actually opens up a lot of character-oriented subplots that Nolan & Crew could work with. I remember having an idea where Bruce and Harvey were at a party (Harvey's birthday party, I think) and Bruce gave Harvey the two-headed coin as a birthday present. But now that i think about it, what if a subplot is (now that Rachel is DA) Bruce recommends Harvey for the job of Assistant DA? Here's an idea for a scene (pay attention Nolan!)

Rachel sits at a large oak desk COMPLETELY COVERED BY PAPERS, some stained with light brown rings from her coffee mug. Her hair falls in whispy bangs over her intense eyes as she furrows her brow. She swipes the bangs out of her eyes with her free hand while the other holds her cell phone to her ear. Rachel massages her forehead and SIGHS HEAVILY as she rests her back against her leather office chair.

RACHEL
(frustrated)
I just can't make up my mind, Bruce. Everyone's good, but I just can't come to a solid decision. I need someone focused, intense, and NOT easily coerced by anything. And with this psychotic "Joker" out there, I'll be lucky if--

BRUCE (O.C.)
(thoughtfully)
Rachel, calm down. I think I might have someone in mind...

something along those lines.

[FlawlessVictory]

too young, too short.

She would be 29 years old in 2010. I say 2010 b/c if she were to be cast in the 3rd Batman film that is when they would begin filming. How old would you want her to be? Is Heath Ledger too young for to be the Joker? He's gonna turn 28 this year. As for being too short, those Catwoman heels would do the job for her. :cwink:

[Dark Sentinel]

sorry double post

[raybia]

im just wondering, since we're anticipating the presence of Harvey Dent on the next film, WHERE IS HARVEY DENT during the events of BATMAN BEGINS?

what do u think are the reasons that would be, or SHOULD be stated in the sequel for his absence in BB?

# my guess would be that he practiced law in another state, and also like Batman, he has come back to Gotham because he felt that Gotham needed a decent brilliant lawyer like him. may i also assume that Bruce, harvey, & Rachel were friends in their youth....


im sorry if somebody has started this thread & raised this Q already, if so, dear moderators, feel free to close it down &/or point me to a url of d thread. thanks!

He was doing private practice in Metropolis.

[Dark Sentinel]

He was doing private practice in Metropolis.

just like Superman was spotted in Gotham in SR--a connection that will possibly lead up to Superman vs. Batman?

[FlawlessVictory]

not sexy enough

In a strange way, that's the kind of the point. But in IMO, Portman has the ability to be. I'm trying to think outside the box and not give the standardized Jolie for every sexy female lead in a movie for the next 6 years response. I feel Portman would be up for the challenge.

http://www.funmunch.com/celebrities/actresses/natalie_portman/enlarge/natalie_portman_3.jpg



Anyway, I apologize for this thread getting off topic, if need be we can discuss this elsewhere.

[StorminNorman]

not sexy enough

Wait wait wait.

Natalie Portman...not sexy enough?

Get The Hell out of my Boards, Punk. :cmad:

[ghost_x]

I totally get what your saying with the unconventional casting, but you need to have some sort of evidence that they would actually be up to the role. At this moment in time I don't think portman is

[ghost_x]

Wait wait wait.

Natalie Portman...not sexy enough?

Get The Hell out of my Boards, Punk. :cmad:

Nope, shes cute, but not catwoman sexy

[itsthebatman]

She would be 29 years old in 2010. I say 2010 b/c if she were to be cast in the 3rd Batman film that is when they would begin filming. How old would you want her to be? Is Heath Ledger too young for to be the Joker? He's gonna turn 28 this year. As for being too short, those Catwoman heels would do the job for her. :cwink:

Too young looking when up against Christian. I didn't buy Katie as an ADA for a second, and don't want the same problem with Batman's ultimate femme fatale, as if he were dating a high school student.

[StorminNorman]

I totally get what your saying with the unconventional casting, but you need to have some sort of evidence that they would actually be up to the role. At this moment in time I don't think portman is

Natalie Portman is simply one of the most respected female actors of her age. She has done strong woman roles (V for Vendetta, Leon: The Professional), she has can do sexy, she can do Graphic Novel material.

She is great for the role.

[StorminNorman]

Nope, shes cute, but not catwoman sexy

http://static.zooomr.com/images/1ba3226b19f697705ce923860eb61d677b807c39.jpg

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs10/300W/i/2006/120/2/c/natalie_portman_by_Ailidh.jpg

[ghost_x]

Natalie Portman is simply one of the most respected female actors of her age. She has done strong woman roles (V for Vendetta, Leon: The Professional), she has can do sexy, she can do Graphic Novel material.

She is great for the role.

She was pretty awful in V (her accent wasn't even close), Leon she was still a little kid and I don't think that classifies her for catwoman, and frankly she was awful in star wars (poor script or not). The only film I praise her acting skills is closer, but one movie isn't convincing me she is right for the role, so I fail to see what has made her the most respected actress of her age, apart from being a very intelligent woman.

[ghost_x]

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs10/300W/i/2006/120/2/c/natalie_portman_by_Ailidh.jpg

If only this picture were real

[StorminNorman]

If only this picture were real

I see no reason why she could not achieve that level of beauty with the proper make up. Her facial structure is still very real - just decorated in a different way.

[StorminNorman]

She was pretty awful in V (her accent wasn't even close), Leon she was still a little kid and I don't think that classifies her for catwoman, and frankly she was awful in star wars (poor script or not). The only film I praise her acting skills is closer, but one movie isn't convincing me she is right for the role, so I fail to see what has made her the most respected actress of her age, apart from being a very intelligent woman.

If you feel that she has not proven herself as an actor, I am not going to convince you. Just know that your opinion goes against public opinion which is what is truly the topic of discussion. It is not whether you could buy her as Catwoman, but whether the general audience could.

[ghost_x]

it looks like a CG rendering and I've seen no picture that she looks sexy in to me, unfrotuantly thats just my feelings

[FlawlessVictory]

it looks like a CG rendering and I've seen no picture that she looks sexy in to me, unfrotuantly thats just my feelings

Still no? :yay:

http://www.bitetv.ca/blog/archives/Natalie%20Portman.jpg

[ghost_x]

If you feel that she has not proven herself as an actor, I am not going to convince you. Just know that your opinion goes against public opinion which is what is truly the topic of discussion. It is not whether you could buy her as Catwoman, but whether the general audience could.

actually it's whether Chris Nolan can buy her s catwman, because if he feels the same way I do, than no mtter how many hundreds of people feel how you do will make her catwoman

[ghost_x]

Still no? :yay:

http://www.bitetv.ca/blog/archives/Natalie%20Portman.jpg

That does help :whatever:, but still she's too skinny and her being naked sways my feelings too much

[Crooklyn]

I'm gonna have to agree, I think she looks too young and too small for this role. We need a WOMAN here people, I think Portman is still in between cute girl and classy grown-up.

[ghost_x]

^ the truth

[Mr. Thing]

Still no? :yay:

http://www.bitetv.ca/blog/archives/Natalie%20Portman.jpg

Not exactly sexy when her rib cage is poking out.

[Two-Face]

Oh no anywhere but not Metropolis.

[FaT_tONle]

just like Superman was spotted in Gotham in SR--a connection that will possibly lead up to Superman vs. Batman?

Agree completely... that news report in SR couldn't be more obvious... now that Batman franchise needs to return the serve... Wolrd's FInest has to be made and WB knows it

[batman7289]

is this a harvey dent thread?

[thorstone]

Eckhart has a stronger chin that the guy playing the Joker.

[ghost_x]

Let's hope for your sake that they feel the urge during shooting to just...swap characters

[Lucid]

----

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I'd rather see Joker kill Rachel than see Dent try and protect her, but here's my theory...

If Dent were to stand in the way of the acid-to-the-face-crossfire than maybe Rachel would feel responsible for his creation, blame herself, go insane, and committ suicide.

Sorry if I'm thinking inhumane, but I just really am a Rachel-hater. To me her character didn't really bare any gravitas, or significance, or any kind of connotation. She just seemed like she was thrown in to be some kind of MJ to Bruce. I hope she gets whacked, or least skips town, because we need Selina Kyle, Vicki Vale, Pamela Isley, Talia, and other of Batman's flames to step in.

[David Rice]

Joker did NOT have to die for it to be dramatic. Burton made a poor choice to have Joker be the killer of Bruce's parents, and he made another poor choice by having the Joker die instead of being put into Arkham.

Burton didn't make that choice. And the way the story was writen, yes he did have to die.

Have you seen Minority Report? Tom Cruise's character finally finds the man who he believes kidnapped and killed his son years ago, maybe even sexually abused him, but he demonstrates the incredible willpower to arrest him instead of killing him. And that was a very dramatic scene.

Yep, I have. Great film! But Batman didn't kill the Joker he just wanted to stop him from getting away.

(I'm not some big fan of Minority Report, it just came to mind.)

[David Rice]

Burton didn't have a ton of control. Seeing as the cathedral scene was largely Jon Peters', I wouldn't be surprised if it was his doing

Yep! Thanks Woj!

[David Rice]

Hmm. You make a good point. However, you overlook one thing, I think. Why do they have to kill each other? Obviously, they'd try to kill each other, they'd want to kill each other, but I don't think there situation is quite like B89's where a death is a necessity for closure with the film. Joker won't be protagonist of any of the films. And I think that changes the situation a great deal.

In fact, I must say, I do sorta see why Nolan might want that...duel to the death between Joker and Two-Face. Having them pitted against each other would make one hell of a subplot, at least.

Alright, alright.. I'm with ya on that one. I just think Dent should be scared by Moroni. :woot:

[David Rice]

Batman Begins changed a lot of details from comics and it still worked and was true to the core elements. From the sound of it, Dent is still an attorney looking for Justice who gets scarred by a criminal, in court. That´s the most important. Even his origin had different approaches in comics. I mean, iniitially his only reason to be Two-Face was the scarring...

True, but you need to read post 84 and 92. And what comis have you read that had different approaches to his origin?

[David Rice]

You know a lot about the outcome of the movie for someone who didn´t see it.

Never said I did jackass, just going by what I know of the charcters of the coimcs and how they would react.

[StorminNorman]

The "problem" we had with Begins and Batman were not even the same thing. Everything you just talked about didn't change the outcome of the film. It only added to it. Making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne parents changed the out come of the film. HE HAD TO DIE! It made the film more dramatic.

If the Joker is behind Dent getting scared, Two Face would wage no stop war against him. The Joker would do the same. THEY WOULD KILL EACH OTHER! Changing the outcome of the film.

Oh, your last statment is wrong by the way.

Actually I think a more powerful and dramatic statement would of been made if The Batman made sure The Joker lived. Batman 89 showed Batman to be a bit as a crazy as the same criminal he sought to fight, by showing his humanity in sparing the life of the Joker, something the Joker did not do to his parents - he would of established himself as more than just another freak in a costume.

What if Two Face feels a bit thankful for what the Joker has done to him - like it has freed him? Through scaring Dent, the Joker has allowed Harvey Two Face to become the person needed to enact "true justice" to Gotham. That wouldn't change the outcome at all.

[David Rice]

Actually I think a more powerful and dramatic statement would of been made if The Batman made sure The Joker lived. Batman 89 showed Batman to be a bit as a crazy as the same criminal he sought to fight, by showing his humanity in sparing the life of the Joker, something the Joker did not do to his parents - he would of established himself as more than just another freak in a costume.

What if Two Face feels a bit thankful for what the Joker has done to him - like it has freed him? Through scaring Dent, the Joker has allowed Harvey Two Face to become the person needed to enact "true justice" to Gotham. That wouldn't change the outcome at all.

I like your way of thinking Norman! Really good points, best I heard yet!

And one more thing has Two Face ever been called "Harvey Two Face" other than the terror of film BF? If not, let's please get way from that..... :woot:

[Ceb-Man]

And as a result, Dent hates Joker, and it causes a Three-Way-Fight between Batman, Joker, and Two-Face in the third movie!!!!
And that's what I hope in the next sequel!!
Lots of Two-Face as him being the main villian though!! Joker should have some limelight, but his spotlight should be TDK!

[Ceb-Man]

Actually I think a more powerful and dramatic statement would of been made if The Batman made sure The Joker lived. Batman 89 showed Batman to be a bit as a crazy as the same criminal he sought to fight, by showing his humanity in sparing the life of the Joker, something the Joker did not do to his parents - he would of established himself as more than just another freak in a costume.

What if Two Face feels a bit thankful for what the Joker has done to him - like it has freed him? Through scaring Dent, the Joker has allowed Harvey Two Face to become the person needed to enact "true justice" to Gotham. That wouldn't change the outcome at all.
Good points Norman!

[JackBauer24]

Hey, anything that can get him from

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/JackBauer24/michael.jpg to http://thegodfathertrilogy.com/pkphotos/gfii1.jpg

is fine by me. You always need both internal and external factors for the tragic hero. That's what tragedy is - internal flaws that are set off by external events.

[CConn]

You know what? I think Dent should wear an aburn with two midgets ****ing on it.

I really do.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Nick is not officially gone. He still does SOME articles here and there, but pretty much, the mantle has been pass down to Devin. If you noticed, it's mostly Devin now anyway.


It's awful. I'm all for humorous editorializing, but when every news item is laced with such venom (I don't think Devin likes anything, literally) there's really no reason to even go there anymore.

[batman7289]

fantastic find

[Miranda Fox]

It's awful. I'm all for humorous editorializing, but when every news item is laced with such venom (I don't think Devin likes anything, literally) there's really no reason to even go there anymore.

Exactly. Who really wants to read why Devin hates something in a news item? I'm all for snark, but that guy has honestly not even the first clue what snark means. It should be funny. Devin is not funny. But hey, the way he writes his stuff he obviously masturbates regularly to his own words so at least someone gets something out of it...shame it's not anybody who still reads CHUD.

[Keyser Sushi]

Exactly. Who really wants to read why Devin hates something in a news item? I'm all for snark, but that guy has honestly not even the first clue what snark means. It should be funny. Devin is not funny. But hey, the way he writes his stuff he obviously masturbates regularly to his own words so at least someone gets something out of it...shame it's not anybody who still reads CHUD.

Ohhhh, BURN!

Devin just got PWN3D. I am pleased. :up:

:D

[FlawlessVictory]

Exactly. Who really wants to read why Devin hates something in a news item? I'm all for snark, but that guy has honestly not even the first clue what snark means. It should be funny. Devin is not funny. But hey, the way he writes his stuff he obviously masturbates regularly to his own words so at least someone gets something out of it...shame it's not anybody who still reads CHUD.

:wow: :woot:

[Miranda Fox]

Ohhhh, BURN!

Devin just got PWN3D. I am pleased. :up:

:D

:woot:

Trust me, it was FUN. :heart:

[FCEEVIPER]

He didn't like BB??!!

F~him!


:p

[Miranda Fox]

He didn't like BB??!!

F~him!


:p

LOL!

That's not really why I dislike him though - I've read negative perspectives on BB that were actually interesting, despite the fact I didn't agree.

It's that Devin has to mention that he hated BB in every piece of TDK news that comes - every. one. Well, except when he was on holiday (why did he have to come back?) It's a ****ing news item, not an opinion piece, dingus! Shut the fook up. (Err, directed at Devin not anybody on here....obviously ;) )

[Miranda Fox]

I LOVE this guy. Yes I do!


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Mar 6 2007
Exclusive Interview with Eckhart on the Next "Batman" Movie

Aaron Eckhart (http://www.superherohype.com/od/eckhartaaron/) was recently nominated for an Independent Spirit Award for his work in the indie film, Thank You for Smoking (http://www.superherohype.com/od/thankyouforsmoking/), but it's Eckhart's upcoming film project that's really generating a lot of talk. Eckhart is ready to play villain Harvey Dent, aka Two Face, in the next Batman movie, The Dark Knight. Eckhart joins returning Batman cast members Christian Bale, Michael Caine, and Gary Oldman, as well as another newcomer to the Batman universe, Oscar-nominated actor Heath Ledger (http://www.superherohype.com/od/ledgerheath/) who's on board to play Batman baddie - The Joker. On the red carpet at the premiere of Warner Bros Pictures' action epic 300 (http://www.superherohype.com/od/300/), Eckhart wasn't ready to give away anything about his character Harvey Dent or the script. Eckhart's not sure what is a secret and what's not a secret, and didn't even want to confirm exactly when filming's expected to begin.
Is the opportunity to work with Christopher Nolan what appeals to you about working on The Dark Knight? Is that the reason you signed on?
"It's certainly one of them. It's a huge, huge, deal. I love his work. I think he and his brother just wrote a firecracker of a script. And the cast - everything is first-class. The series, I'm looking forward to working on. Batman Begins (http://www.superherohype.com/od/batman/), everything is just top notch."
Were you a fan of Batman Begins?
"Yeah, absolutely."
Did you go back and read any of the Batman comics in order to get into this character?
"I'm doing my research. I don't want to be a complete idiot when I get to the set (laughing)."
Does that mean you weren't a comic book fan to begin with?
"Let me see...I don't know that I have any comic books."
So you didn't read any as a kid?
"Well, let me see. I grew up watching Batman when I came home from school - the Kabaam! and Kaboom! and Robin and all that sort of stuff. Other than that, I just kind of read other books."
Do you approach playing a character based on a comic book any differently than you'd approach any other character?
"No, not at all, because you're a human being and three-dimensional with thoughts. That's the key, I think, is to make him as human as possible because that way the audience completely forgets that they're watching anything but just the story unfolding in front of them. Even like tonight, watching this movie... I mean, they're not going to be cartoon characters. They're going to be real people with thoughts and feelings and emotions."
Is there going being a lot of special effects and make-up effects with your character?
"I think there will be a certain amount of that..."
Have you done that type of work before?
"Not to this extent, for sure. No. I'm looking forward to it."
And working with Christian Bale and everyone who has already done a Batman movie together?
"I'm looking forward to it. I'm very excited about working with him and Heath Ledger and Gary Oldman, and everybody. That's something I think about a lot."
What else are you working on?
"I've got a movie coming out next year called No Reservations (http://www.superherohype.com/od/noreservations/) which is a little love story. And then I have a movie...Alan Ball directed his first movie and so that's going to come out. I did three movies last year, I'll do Batman this year, and then see what happens next year."
You're really changing up the genres.
"Yeah. I like to do comedy, romance, and you know a little bit of drama. It's definitely putting a lot of things in the pot and keeping it interesting for me so I can be challenged by what I'm doing all the time."

Did the make-up remark sound how I think it sounded?

[R_Hythlodeus]

Did the make-up remark sound how I think it sounded?


maybe.:ninja:

[Arkard]

Two Face in TDK...
James! A new set of pants please! And bring 2 more pairs, I feel we shall be needing them for more than just me.

[Darknightnomis]

I LOVE this guy. Yes I do!



Did the make-up remark sound how I think it sounded?


Yes it did. We'll proboly get a scared Harvey in the movie.

[Van Petrol]

I LOVE this guy. Yes I do!



Did the make-up remark sound how I think it sounded?

Hmmm...I don't think it neccessarily means this film. He could be referring to whats to come for the character later down the line.

[Arkard]

It sounded like he means THIS film.
So, anyone up for new pants? They've been pressed.

[FlawlessVictory]

Cool interview, thanks Miranda! Not to sure what to make of the make-up remark though. I like how he called the script, "a firecracker of a script". :woot:

[Van Petrol]

LOL, Miranda! :D

[FlawlessVictory]

Hmmm...I don't think it neccessarily means this film. He could be referring to whats to come for the character later down the line.

True. He does say, "The series, I'm looking forward to working on." So with any answer concerning Two-Face, he could be thinking down the line to the third film.

[Crooklyn]

Kinda disappointed, I was hoping to hear more about the character. Meh. :dry:
If you reply to this post with anything more than a "haha, nice joke..." you're taking things too seriously.

[FlawlessVictory]

Kinda disappointed, I was hoping to hear more about the character. Meh. :dry:
If you reply to this post with anything more than a "haha, nice joke..." you're taking things too seriously.

Well, considering how everything has been so tightly under wraps, it doesn't surprise me that we will not get too much out of these interviews. Heck, there hasn't even been a press release yet from the studio regarding Eckhart as Dent.

[Miranda Fox]

LOL, Miranda! :D

:woot:

[R_Hythlodeus]

Well, considering how everything has been so tightly under wraps, it doesn't surprise me that we will not get too much out of these interviews. Heck, there hasn't even been a press release yet from the studio regarding Eckhart as Dent.
is this more than "haha, nice joke..."?
just asking..http://faeren.fa.funpic.de/Board/images/smiles/icon_bruhaha.gif

[FlawlessVictory]

is this more than "haha, nice joke..."?
just asking..http://faeren.fa.funpic.de/Board/images/smiles/icon_bruhaha.gif

:cmad: :woot:

[Mr. Socko]

I like the idea but Katie Holmes/Rachel surely isn't worth it.

[Silver Souper]

kee-an't wait!!!

[Tatsumarushinob]

I think the press release should be around the corner. Maybe they are going to include something with the Eckhardt cast as Dent press release. It has happed before.

[DV8]

I hope it's been confirmed that Eckhart is signed on for the 3rd installment already . . .

[FlawlessVictory]

I hope it's been confirmed that Eckhart is signed on for the 3rd installment already . . .

I hope Nolan comes back for the 3rd installment. :csad: Not that there is reason to think otherwise, but you never know.

[batman44]

"I think he and his brother just wrote a firecracker of a script."

I love that qoute.

[Darkest Knight]

"I think he and his brother just wrote a firecracker of a script."
OmFG .. TeH JoKrZ gUnNa B a FiRE CrOTcH !!!!

[Two-Face]

I like this quote from Eckhart "I'm doing my research. I don't want to be a complete idiot when I get to the set (laughing)."

[Punch]

I can't imagine this film ending without at least a hint of a scarred Harvey Dent.

[patrickbateman]

I can't imagine this film ending without at least a hint of a scarred Harvey Dent.

like the ending of part one of the two face episode in BAtman TAS

[StorminNorman]

Don't borrow anything from Batman: TAS as far as Harvey goes. Hell, you may have to go ahead and ditch the name of Harvey Dent - B:TAS has spoiled it :(

Great interview :up:

[InsaneDwayne]

We have enough Ackhart. We need more Lockhart, as in Emma.

[AndrewGilkison]

Don't borrow anything from Batman: TAS as far as Harvey goes. Hell, you may have to go ahead and ditch the name of Harvey Dent - B:TAS has spoiled it :(


Please tell me you're joking. Especially about that last part.

For the record, I thought BTAS did Two-Face incredibly well for a kids cartoon.

[FlawlessVictory]

300 premiere 3-05-07

http://iesb.net/images/zoom/WOCRUW/viewsize/aaron_eckhart13.jpg

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link: http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_d4j_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=4&article=2003&Itemid=31

[cerealkiller182]

^ I agree. I really enjoyed the Two Face episode (2parter i believe) form BTAS

[Mac_Hine]

like the ending of part one of the two face episode in BAtman TAS
This is what I want. Just a showdowy glimpse of two-face.

[itsthebatman]

Please tell me you're joking. Especially about that last part.

For the record, I thought BTAS did Two-Face incredibly well for a kids cartoon.

Norman HATES the TAS Two-Face. And I mean HATES. With a passion. Don't get him started.

[itsthebatman]

he's a very handsome fellow. Just like Harvey should be.

[I_Hate_U_All]

with a passion?

That two face is the best ever. The one from batman forever is worth hating with a passion.

[Milkman95]

This film is going to very, very good.

[FlawlessVictory]

with a passion?

That two face is the best ever. The one from batman forever is worth hating with a passion.

Exactly, save the hate for TLJ Two-Face not the TAS version. At least there were actually two sides to his personality in the TAS unlike whatever TLJ was trying to do.

[Miranda Fox]

Some more stuff from MTV:

Even bad guys have a beginning, Aaron Eckhart said of his role as district attorney/ super-villain Harvey "Two Face" Dent in the upcoming "Batman Begins" sequel "The Dark Knight." "There's an evolution to my character, how he becomes what he becomes," Eckhart revealed. "It'll be different in that you'll see different sides to Harvey that you haven't seen before." And Dent should know about sides. Permanently scarred when a criminal throws acid in his face, Dent is rendered forever duplicitous — his better instincts in a constant fight with his dark side. In previous incarnations of the character, this was represented by having Dent flip a coin to decide how he was going to act. Does this mean Eckhart has been practicing his flipping motion? "I may be," he slyly said. Eckhart will next be seen in "No Reservations," co-starring Catherine Zeta-Jones.

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1553995/20070306/story.jhtml

[JStorm]

I must say, I am more excited about seeing Dent than I am Two-Face. I believe Eckhart can pull off the suave, sophisticated DA with a no-holds-bar attitude type personality.

I revert back to a scene in TLH where Dent, Gordon, and Batman are on the GCPD rooftop talking about what they will do with The Joker. I am anxious to see Dent and Batman man go “head-to head” verbally.

In short, Eckhart can hold his own, and I can’t wait to see him hold his own as Dent in a Nolan film opposite Oldman and Bale.

Furthermore, once he sells the audience on Dent, we will have more of an understanding, and compassion when Two-Face appears on screen.

“I believe in Harvey Dent.”

[DieSmiling]

See, I'm more interested in seeing Two-Face precisely because I'm so confident that Eckhart will nail Dent -- I want to see what he can bring to the table as Two-Face.

[The Caped Knight]

I hope that Harvey Dent in TDK will be protrayed very much like Dent in BTAS

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/twoface/

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/episodes/twofacep1/
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/episodes/twofacep2/

[LadyVader]

Wow. It looks like Eckhart's Dent will not only be different from Tommy Lee Jones' Dent but in fact the polar opossite! Excellent. And I've never cared much about Eckhart's looks but on the red carpet for the 300 premiere he looked really good. :)

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Pics?

[AnimeJune]

Wow. It looks like Eckhart's Dent will not only be different from Tommy Lee Jones' Dent but in fact the polar opossite! Excellent. And I've never cared much about Eckhart's looks but on the red carpet for the 300 premiere he looked really good. :)
Indeed - I have all respect for Tommy Lee Jones ("That's Doctor Richard Kimble"), and he certainly appeared to be having a grand old time in Batman Forever, but at his age I wouldn't be calling him that much of a looker. I mean, if I heard Tommy Lee Jones got splashed in the face with acid, I'd be like, "Hmm. Interesting - so when's Men in Black 3 coming out?"

[Ronny Shade]

This poll is ****ing retarded

[raybia]

This poll is ****ing retarded

You are the man!

[regwec]

Hahah!

[The Eagle]

I think he will be fantastic! Hopefully........

[Katsuro]

with a passion?

That two face is the best ever. The one from batman forever is worth hating with a passion.

You should probably try reading a comic book. Start with Year One, follow up wth The Long Halloween, then forget TAS ever attempted Two-Face.

When I watch TAS, in my mind I just imagne this guy is called Half-Scarred-Man, and he's only been partially inspired by Two-Face, though not much really.

[Nepenthes]

what's so wrong with TAS Two-Face? it's been a while since i've seen it

[itsthebatman]

what's so wrong with TAS Two-Face? it's been a while since i've seen it

He's friends with Bruce Wayne, not Batman, which is the opposite of the post-Crisis depiction. He is scarred in an industrial accident, not in the courtroom. But, more to the point, he has a split personality 'Big Bad Harv' which is present before the scarring, and flies in the face of most depictions of the character. Most people feel (especially in the wake of TLH) that's Harvey's psychosis is primarily caused by the unique pressures of working in Gotham, and not due to an inherent character flaw.

[ghost_x]

I disliked greatly though how Dent's mentality was hinted at and mostly the cause from his father who was also a mental patient. I also far preferred how he recieved the coin from Maroni, gives more of a motive to his actions. So all in all it's inevitable how someone won't prefer one specific interpretation of a character but rather a combination of a number of versions.

[regwec]

I liked Dini's Two Face a great deal: I accept that it was different to Loeb's, but I don't happen to think either is faultless.

[Dark Sentinel]

personally i'm more anxious to see Two-Face than Joker. he's always been my favorite Batman villain

[Two-Face]

This poll is ****ing retarded

Hey Ronny where have you been?

[Weadazoid]

I liked the 3rd split in TAS...the anti hero who was....THE JUDGE

[I Am The Knight]

Oh yeah, that was cool Weadazoid.....

[Weadazoid]

It showed just how far gone Harvey was it was a nice little evolution.

[iwalktheline92]

I couldn't picture Joaquin Phoenix as Harvey Dent. Its probably because I'm so used to seeing him as Johnny Cash.

[TimDrake64x]

i think he would have been good. but if anyone here has seem thank you for smoking you know that eckart can do it

[Keyser Sushi]

I couldn't picture Joaquin Phoenix as Harvey Dent. Its probably because I'm so used to seeing him as Johnny Cash.

Is that the only movie you've ever seen him in?

And his performance as Cash shows why he'd be a great Harvey Dent. Not that it matters at this point, as the role has been cast...

[Hunter Rider]

I watched Thank you for smoking and The Black Dahlia this week and i am now confident in Eckhart as Dent.

[Keyser Sushi]

I watched Thank you for smoking and The Black Dahlia this week and i am now confident in Eckhart as Dent.

:up:

[Crooklyn]

I watched Thank you for smoking and The Black Dahlia this week and i am now confident in Eckhart as Dent.
Lolz, better late than never. Your timing is improving, compared to that of Casino Royale. :o

[The MaTTMaN]

I hope that Harvey Dent in TDK will be protrayed very much like Dent in BTAS

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/twoface/

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/episodes/twofacep1/
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/episodes/twofacep2/

Thats version of two face has to be one of my favourite versions ever. I loved that episode in Batman TAS, and bluey grey skin just looks better to me than the red pinkish skin. And i hope they make Eckhart look a little but like this in the third film after The Dark Knight. http://www.gothampublicworks.com/twoface.html