Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[The Batman]

lmao....I cant believe how flat out stupid people are being over this...

[Tally Man]

When I heard about this I keep thinking of the scene from Batman: Dark Victory involving Dent. For some reason this is something I'd expect Nolan to pull.

[Rory Gets Paid]

lmao....I cant believe how flat out stupid people are being over this...

And I can't believe how flat-out rude, ignorant and immature some people are being over this. I mean, what gives? Seriously?

[Spider Edge]

well, I'll reserve judgement until I see the film. and, after seeing it and seeing the story in full.....I'll like or except this plot point better.

It's just that since Ledger's death, I really haven't been keeping up-to-date with this movie. So, this news was really unexpected for me.....

[sclabguy]

you know filmakers do like to lie to their audience quite a bit, maybe nolan and crew are doing the same. i'm probably wrong but that would be a great twist

[Yurka]

It has been stated numerous times that Harvey is the backbone of this film, Brock in SM3 was not. As unhappy as it makes me that Harvey dies, this is still "his" movie and he is not wasted. I have come to terms with this plot point and as saddening as it may be, it sounds like it works perfectly. I obviously will wait till I actually see the movie to judge how it works but from what I've been reading in reviews Harvey is nota wasted character at all.

Brock/Venom was merely thrown into SM3 to make the fans happy. Harvey/Two-Face as stated before, is the backbone of the film, so I have faith as to how the downfall and death will be addressed.

[Boom]

Yeah...read the links, and I'm still not convinced that anyone can confirm anything. I'll apologize to every member of this site if Harvey AND Two-Face are both (beyond a shadow of a bat, er... I mean doubt) dead by the end of this film. But let it be known that I expect the same in the event the opposite occurs. Cheers!
...They've SEEN the goddamn movie.

You know what? Think what you want. But you ARE wrong. Call me rude, ignorant, or whatever pleases you. But that's just the damn truth.

[Rory Gets Paid]

...They've SEEN the goddamn movie.

You know what? Think what you want. But you ARE wrong. Call me rude, ignorant, or whatever pleases you. But that's just the damn truth.

So in other words, you were there watching the movie with them to know, right? Sorry, but until I see something with my own eyes, or someone can give me something other than heresy, I can't will myself to get on board. I just hope you don't live in the shady end of town exhibiting that kind of naivete.

[MiniBond]

lmao....I cant believe how flat out stupid people are being over this...

that was to be expected considering it's such a surprise and an unconventional thing to do in such a so called superhero movie !!



And this just the beginning........there'll be months/years of posts filled with anger and frustration about this !!!

[Spade]

lmao....I cant believe how flat out stupid people are being over this...

Let them continue being naive. Spider-Man 3, if nothing else, was a hard dose of reality for the same brand of fan. At least we're so near to release that the truth will hit this stream of denial like a ton of bricks.

[inflames]

I can't believe we have crazies with stupid conspiracy theories before the movie is even out.

[Rory Gets Paid]

Let them continue being naive. Spider-Man 3, if nothing else, was a hard dose of reality for the same brand of fan. At least we're so near to release that the truth will hit this stream of denial like a ton of bricks.

Then let it....what's it to you if it does?

[turtlefocker]

Rory you are a ****ing idiot.

[Rory Gets Paid]

I can't believe we have crazies with stupid conspiracy theories before the movie is even out.


It's called speculation, and last time I checked, it was encouraged around here. Guess it HAS been a while.

[Rory Gets Paid]

Rory you are a ****ing idiot.

Coming from the guy who does what to turtles, exactly? lol I don't even know if I can feel insulted by that honestly...:whatever:

[Boom]

So in other words, you were there watching the movie with them to know, right? Sorry, but until I see something with my own eyes, or someone can give me something other than heresy, I can't will myself to get on board. I just hope you don't live in the shady end of town exhibiting that kind of naivete.
No. I am taking the word of credible movie reviewers who wouldn't post ******** for the sake of posting ********.

Key word here being "credible."

[namtaB]

lmao....I cant believe how flat out stupid people are being over this...

Does that depress you? How stupid these people really are...

[Rory Gets Paid]

No. I am taking the word of credible movie reviewers who wouldn't post ******** for the sake of posting ********.

Key word here being "credible."

...is one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say you're fairly willing to believe something without having seen it yourself, which is fine...just not something I make a habit of doing.

We will all know everything soon enough.

[jtfaria]

YES!!!!!!!! yes we do! holy ****ing ****. HE IS DEAD, just ****ing DEAD

OK. You may be right. Now, if I were Nolan, how do I bring this film to a close? Maybe Joker can just disappear. But you can't have both Harvey AND Joker disappear. Too many loose ends. What if they capture Harvey? Well, then you wonder if he gets better, or worse, or what happens to him. Still a loose end. So to end the film, you create a situation where Harvey at least appears to be definitely dead. That ends the story about Batman's hope to call it quits, in fact it wraps up any open-ended questions about Dent. Death is the ultimate answer.

How could they mistake someone else's body for Dent's? I grant it's sticky - with a DA they'd make damn sure it was really the right body they found, right? But we've all seen movies where they explain how they faked a dead body. Maybe Harvey switches his medical records with someone he throws off a building. He has a very good reason for faking his death - by this point everyone is after him, including The Batman. Hard for a guy like Two Face to hide.

Maybe Nolan leaves us a little clue about this no one has noticed yet. Certainly we'd have to wait until the next film is cast to know if Harvey is REALLY dead.

You may be right, he may be dead. I have no doubt Gordon and Batman are near a body and there is a funeral. No argument there. All I'm saying is, if you are Nolan you want the story to come to a conclusion (after 2 1/2 hours), so maybe you insert a plot device that ends it, but maybe you also plan on exploiting some trap door (or allowing the next director to do so) to bring Harvey into the next film.

[DSET]

It has been stated numerous times that Harvey is the backbone of this film, Brock in SM3 was not. As unhappy as it makes me that Harvey dies, this is still "his" movie and he is not wasted. I have come to terms with this plot point and as saddening as it may be, it sounds like it works perfectly. I obviously will wait till I actually see the movie to judge how it works but from what I've been reading in reviews Harvey is nota wasted character at all.

Brock/Venom was merely thrown into SM3 to make the fans happy. Harvey/Two-Face as stated before, is the backbone of the film, so I have faith as to how the downfall and death will be addressed.
I Couldnt Agree more

[jtfaria]

Does that depress you? How stupid these people really are...

Heh.

[Rory Gets Paid]

Does that depress you? How stupid these people really are...

:woot:

[Polux]

All I want to say, is that if Harvey indeed dies - as it seems to be the case - Nolan will break my heart, and I mean it, I know it will be beautifully done, make sense and it´ll make a great story, it´s just that I love the Harvey Dent character, I dunno why, i could never explain it, I like Harbey more so than Two-Face, when i saw Harvey screaming "NO !!" in the first trailer it gave me the goosebumps, so i know that when I see Harvey dying on screen, it´ll bring a tear to my eye...

And that, my friends - even when I pray for that not to happen - is what I call absolutely brilliant movie making.

:csad:

Polux

[deathfromabove]

So in other words, you were there watching the movie with them to know, right? Sorry, but until I see something with my own eyes, or someone can give me something other than heresy, I can't will myself to get on board. I just hope you don't live in the shady end of town exhibiting that kind of naivete.

you, my friend, are the one being naive. do you think a respected critic (like mori from aicn, who has a huge fan following) would risk his reputation just to fool you? after the film comes out it would have made a liar out of him and all the others who have confirmed the death. credibility out the window...forever.

i'm sorry you are in denial but don't stoop to insulting other posters who are just trying to show you the light.

[The Batman]

And I can't believe how flat-out rude, ignorant and immature some people are being over this. I mean, what gives? Seriously?

No no....

Rude is having something confirmed ten times over and then having someone discard it just because it was something they didnt want to hear....

Ignorance is having people, with no reason to lie and are considered credible, who have...I dunno...WATCHED THE MOVIE, given you SPECIFIC details so that there is no question left...and then having someone ask even more stupid questions when the issue is done....

Immaturity is having people whine about it and comparing it to a film where the main character spends his time with an emo hgaircut and dancing like a john travolta reject.....

I mean...what gives?

[MiniBond]

Do you guys know that we actually HAVE a pic of Dent's funeral ???????:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

[The Joker]

Do you guys know that we actually HAVE a pic of Dent's funeral ???????:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

Where is it?

[namtaB]

Do you guys know that we actually HAVE a pic of Dent's funeral ???????:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

Where is he?!?!?!

[MiniBond]

Where is it?
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2214/1017479758378a9275c6oxo3.jpg


do you guys remember that old pic with people who have been on set telling us that they saw black stripes around those Dent's portraits and flowers around making it look like a funeral of sort ??????

We didn't want to believe it all assuming that it was a celebration of dent's victory as a DA !


Yeah well.......finally we got our answer !:cwink::woot::woot:

[Symbiotic]

Oh.Head.Desk. I wish I hadn't seen that.

[Fitzwilliam]

Rory you are a ****ing idiot.


Seconded

[The Joker]

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2214/1017479758378a9275c6oxo3.jpg


do you guys remember that old pic with people who have been on set telling us that they saw black stripes around those Dent's portraits and flowers around making it look like a funeral of sort ??????

We didn't want to believe it all assuming that it was a celebration of dent's victory as a DA !


Yeah well.......finally we got our answer !:cwink::woot::woot:

Blimey! :wow:

Thanks :up:

[MiniBond]

brings back a lot of memories, where we were in complete darkness about what was upon us !:cwink: !

[Symbiotic]

Guys, I was wondering something. Based on what some have seen,heard, etc., is he actually referred to AS Two-Face in the film?

[Seen]

Guys, I was wondering something. Based on what some have seen,heard, etc., is he actually referred to AS Two-Face in the film?

When Dent is in the hospital after being scarred, Gordon visits him and tells him that in Internal Affairs his nickname was "Harvey Two-Face".

[namtaB]

Guys, I was wondering something. Based on what some have seen,heard, etc., is he actually referred to AS Two-Face in the film?

I read that while Dent's recovering in the hospital and Gordon is talking to him he tells Dent they nicknamed him "two-face" in internal affairs or something like that.

[Symbiotic]

When Dent is in the hospital after being scarred, Gordon visits him and tells him that in Internal Affairs his nickname was "Harvey Two-Face".Ah.

[MiniBond]

Blimey! :wow:

Thanks :up:
and I guess that definitely settles it about Two face's fate in TDK with some visual proofs !:cwink::cwink:

[inflames]

When Dent is in the hospital after being scarred, Gordon visits him and tells him that in Internal Affairs his nickname was "Harvey Two-Face".
not that I dont believe you or anything but gordon tell dent that or vice versa?

[Boom]

and I guess that definitely settles it about Two face's fate in TDK with some visual proofs !:cwink::cwink:
But we do not actually see his body! Just picturez!!1

[MiniBond]

But we do not actually see his body! Just picturez!!1
that I don't have.....I would but I don't:funny:

[Symbiotic]

Also, do The Joker and Two-Face come face-to-face (heh) with each other? If so, no details on the scene itself. Preferably just yes or no.

[Daxceon]

I haven't read any spoilers in here and I don't plan to. There are pictures of a funeral for Harvey but didn't the cop in the bar say he thought Dent was dead. Maybe it is this funeral that leads him and the city to believe Harvey is dead. Just a idea...

[Boom]

I haven't read any spoilers in here and I don't plan to. There are pictures of a funeral for Harvey but didn't the cop in the bar say he thought Dent was dead. Maybe it is this funeral that leads him and the city to believe Harvey is dead. Just a idea...
Bar scene happens during the evacuation. It's not the ending.

[Venom 1988]

I haven't read any spoilers in here and I don't plan to. There are pictures of a funeral for Harvey but didn't the cop in the bar say he thought Dent was dead. Maybe it is this funeral that leads him and the city to believe Harvey is dead. Just a idea...

That scene with Harvey and the Cop in the bar takes place before he dies

[Serpent72]

I don't know if I just missed it or something, but how does Dent get scarred? Is it from that substance as shown in the trailer? Or in the courtroom? Sorry if it's been answered already, but I didn't see it anywhere.

[Seen]

Also, do The Joker and Two-Face come face-to-face (heh) with each other? If so, no details on the scene itself. Preferably just yes or no.

Yes.

[Symbiotic]

Yes.Nice.

[turtlefocker]

Yes.

Link?

[deathfromabove]

this thread is cracking me up right now

[deathfromabove]

also i can't believe i never noticed that was a picture of a funeral before...

[Spider Edge]

ok.....so does any one know how Two-Face is portrayed in TDK? Like, is his personality psychotic and totally different from Dent's? Does Two-Face actually do anything in the movie? Or is he basically Dent with a scarred face?

[Daxceon]

Bar scene happens during the evacuation. It's not the ending.

I never said it was at the end.

That scene with Harvey and the Cop in the bar takes place before he dies

I guess that is why he is in that particular scene then. Silly me.


Surely you can understand that I assumed that the funeral was somewhat premature. Thinking he was dead they had a funeral. He was in fact not dead but missing and royally Two-faced.

[DSET]

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2214/1017479758378a9275c6oxo3.jpg


do you guys remember that old pic with people who have been on set telling us that they saw black stripes around those Dent's portraits and flowers around making it look like a funeral of sort ??????

We didn't want to believe it all assuming that it was a celebration of dent's victory as a DA !


Yeah well.......finally we got our answer !:cwink::woot::woot:
although I know he dies and there may or may not be a funeral
But after the hospital explosion that harvey is presumably in
and then the bar scene we see with the cop thinking he died
its likely that is what the pic is from because that doesnt look like a proper funeral to me just a public hearing of harveys death

[Yurka]

Haha, I remember after that^ pic came out everyone thought it was him faking his death/his election-win party(even though everyone ids dressed in black :o.

[turtlefocker]

Harvey Dent - Two-face Is Dead At The End Of TDK.

All The Way Dead.

[Spider Edge]

I Know That!!! Lol

[Yurka]

Harvey Dent - Two-face Is Dead At The End Of TDK.

All The Way Dead.

But is he really dead? I mean, we dont have any reports or anything that says otherwise so its possible he lives right?





















:hehe:

[DSET]

He Is dead
but that is not his funeral, (maybe it is at the end but there will be a proper funeral not that its possibly the reason the cop thinks he died thus explosion hospital)
it does not look like a funeral but a tv report on obviouslyhis death
I doubt thats the all of the funeral we seeat the end

[Boom]

Are you sure the reviewers said "dead," and didn't say "not dead?"

R U SURE????

[Spade]

Might wanna spoiler-tag that.

Has anyone made it official as to how Dent's scarred?

[Spider Edge]

does anyone know how Two-face is portrayed in TDK? is his personality psychotic and totally different than Dent's? does Two-Face do anything in the movie? Or, is he just Dent with a scarred face?

[Figs]

Might wanna spoiler-tag that.

Has anyone made it official as to how Dent's scarred?


That first person on Rottentomatoes that put up his review and later had to take it down said it's not from acid in a courtroom but from fire.

[LifeWitoutRulez]

Man- "JESUS DENT...I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD...."

DENT- "HALF"

i think i found the answer to all your questions -_-

[Spade]

...You realize that that line is delivered before the funeral? Congrats. You didn't answer anything. :huh:

[turtlefocker]

Man- "JESUS DENT...I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD...."

DENT- "HALF"

i think i found the answer to all your questions -_-


haha no. That happens before his actual death... at the end of TDK the guy is dead and there is no coming back

[bkey]

That first person on Rottentomatoes that put up his review and later had to take it down said it's not from acid in a courtroom but from fire.

The courtroom scene does take place though. I guess the question is if thats where Dent is scarred or not, and as far as I know that hasn't been answered.

[SuperBatman]

The courtroom scene does take place though. I guess the question is if thats where Dent is scarred or not, and as far as I know that hasn't been answered.

From What I understand it does happen in the Court Room. He gets Gasoline thrown at his face and I guess he gets his face lit on fire.

[Yurka]

Strange, Aaron Eckhart has said in multiple interviews that its acid and its poured on his face.
:huh:

[ABleedingCorpse]

All questions about Harvey Dent/Two-Face will be answered fully when you purchase a ticket at your local theater or IMAX on July 18th of 2008 to see The Dark Knight.

[Bond]

All questions about Harvey Dent/Two-Face will be answered fully when you purchase a ticket at your local theater or IMAX on July 18th of 2008 to see The Dark Knight.
You have a firm grasp of the obvious. :up:


Love Guru quote FTL...

[ABleedingCorpse]

You have a firm grasp of the obvious. :up:


Love Guru quote FTL...

Yes. Yes I do.

[SonikDeath]

Yeah Aaron Eckhart said it was acid, why would he lie ?

[ABleedingCorpse]

Yeah Aaron Eckhart said it was acid, why would he lie ?

Because he's two-faced?

[PyroChamber]

So if he does die, then how long will he be TWo-Face in the movie?

[Mastodon123]

Does anyone know if theres a twist plot in TDK like there was in BB?

If there is one maybe it is that Two-Face isn't really dead. Its been said in a review that Two=Face has a comic book death. Which means that its an apparent death, and could be still alive.


If Two-Face is to be in the 3rd film, what would be his motive to return? Revenge on the batman? IMO what they should do is have Two=Face return to Gotham as Hush, and at some point to be revealed as Two=Face.

The Riddler is might be in the 3rd film, if so maybe the film will be based on part of the Hush Storyline, and mostly on Dark Victory.

[turtlefocker]

Does anyone know if theres a twist plot in TDK like there was in BB?

If there is one maybe it is that Two-Face isn't really dead. Its been said in a review that Two=Face has a comic book death. Which means that its an apparent death, and could be still alive.


If Two-Face is to be in the 3rd film, what would be his motive to return? Revenge on the batman? IMO what they should do is have Two=Face return to Gotham as Hush, and at some point to be revealed as Two=Face.

The Riddler is might be in the 3rd film, if so maybe the film will be based on part of the Hush Storyline, and mostly on Dark Victory.


Whoa, way to be wrong.

Harvey Dent - Two-face Is Dead At The End Of TDK.

All The Way Dead. Not a 'comic book' death. He's just ****ing dead!

[anrrd_2]

^hhmm....how can we all know this? did you go to the premier?

[omid17]

So if he does die, then how long will he be TWo-Face in the movie?i don't know exactly but i heard he turns in two-face in the last 30 minutes of the movie

[christpunchers]

i don't know exactly but i heard he turns in two-face in the last 30 minutes of the movie


Read another review where they say they've pulled a "venom" with Two-face in TDK.... wouldnt' surprise me if he is only in the movie for the final act and dies (presumably).

[omid17]

same here

[Gianakin_]

The final act is easily 30 minutes, though. And it's purely about 2Face.

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

so wtf joker isnt in the finale??

[ABleedingCorpse]

I'm saying 2 hours of Joker and 30 minutes of Two-Face. Consider it this way, you get a two hour movie about Batman chasing Joker and a special 30 minute short film about Two-Face.

[laudanum09]

^I think I can live with that :)

[Judson Caspian]

About this Two-Face dying thing... Wasn't there something that he appears to be dead for the film characters, but not the audience? I read about that in another thread.

Why do a Joel Schumacher and kill Two-Face again? That's stupid. He never die in the comics, as far as I know.

[ABleedingCorpse]

All questions about Harvey Dent/Two-Face will be answered fully when you purchase a ticket at your local theater or IMAX on July 18th of 2008 to see The Dark Knight.

I couldn't have said it better....oh wait.

[MiniBond]

I can't wait for the release so that people understand that Two face is DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD in TDK !!!!!!!


But I'm sure there'll be people who won't belive it even if it's on screeen !! Sad !:whatever::csad::o

[LiveWire777]

I'm sure its gonna be like SM3 when Venom died where people are gonna analyze the scene where Twoface DIES and try and convince themselves he survived. :oldrazz:

[Masamune]

are u f***in serious hes dead by the end of the movie???
i thought the third movie was supposed to center around him being the villain??
if all this is true, i swear this will really suck i mean i'll still go watch it but wtf its just like what happened with venom, they take my favorite villain save them for the very last few scenes and they just kill him off arrrrgh damn whatever then..... weaksauce!!

[Judson Caspian]

Well, it started as a rumour and now it's out of control, more or less. Some people say: "Yeah, he dies! Halleluja!", while others are a little more collected and waits for confirmation.

[MiniBond]

TWO FACE IS NOT A VILLAIN..................That's the whole point and that's why killing him is no big deal, WE assumed that two face could be/would be the center of the third one but he's not, that's not Nolans' way !!! Two face/ Dent is the whole arc of the movie and was never meant to be part of the third one in Nolan's mind......it's just that we thought about this movie in classic/usual comic book movie terms but it's not what we should have done !!!:o:o

[Gallagher]

Two-Face isn't a villain guys! God! He's a regular boyscout! He makes Superman look downright evil by comparison. :whatever:

The 'Face isn't a villain' arguments are really tiring now, Two-Face has always been a villain. A tradgic villain? Maybe. A conflicted Villain? Definitely. Nevertheless he's always been a villain, an antagonist to Batman's protagonist. He's also one of the few bat-rogues left that could carry a film by himself.

This is why the decision to kill him off, with no hope for return, angers me somewhat, it puts the rest of the franchise in danger of going the way of Batman Forever/& Robin.

I say end this series here. It dies with Two-Face.

[Antrax255]

There are a good couple of villains left in Batman's rouge gallery.

[MiniBond]

Two-Face isn't a villain guys! God! He's a regular boyscout! He makes Superman look downright evil by comparison. :whatever:

The 'Face isn't a villain' arguments are really tiring now, Two-Face has always been a villain. A tradgic villain? Maybe. A conflicted Villain? Definitely. Nevertheless he's always been a villain, an antagonist to Batman's protagonist. He's also one of the few bat-rogues left that could carry a film by himself.

This is why the decision to kill him off, with no hope for return, angers me somewhat, it puts the rest of the franchise in danger of going the way of Batman Forever/& Robin.

I say end this series here. It dies with Two-Face.
we could say he's a villain because he kills people but in TDK he seems to be doing it for particular reasons and he's not the usual villain we've all seen in the comics...it's been said mulltiple times in the reviews: Nolan is reinventing the characters of the batworld in his own fresh way and that includes a two face who is more of a fallen angel than a pure villain in the traditional way.....!

[Gallagher]

There are a good couple of villains left in Batman's rouge gallery.

The only one I can see really working with Nolan at the helm is The Riddler. I wouldn't bank on Catwoman, if I remember rightly Nolan himself said he found the character one-dimensional and wouldn't 'fit in' with his vision of the Batman world.

[raxor]

It's such a shame.. im sure it would we great to have a part 3 with two-face.. the other villains are too unrealistic or stupid

[The Batman]

Two-Face isn't a villain guys! God! He's a regular boyscout! He makes Superman look downright evil by comparison. :whatever:

The 'Face isn't a villain' arguments are really tiring now, Two-Face has always been a villain. A tradgic villain? Maybe. A conflicted Villain? Definitely. Nevertheless he's always been a villain, an antagonist to Batman's protagonist. He's also one of the few bat-rogues left that could carry a film by himself.

This is why the decision to kill him off, with no hope for return, angers me somewhat, it puts the rest of the franchise in danger of going the way of Batman Forever/& Robin.

I say end this series here. It dies with Two-Face.

1. nolan and eckhart have said repeatedly that Two Face in the nolanverse is more vigilante than villain.

2. I'm not even going to respond to the blackout, as its fanboy whining and hyperbole...

people need a reality check....

[Gallagher]

1. nolan and eckhart have said repeatedly that Two Face in the nolanverse is more vigilante than villain.

2. I'm not even going to respond to the blackout, as its fanboy whining and hyperbole...

people need a reality check....

I'd hardly call myself a fanboy, or a comic book purist, I've read about 5 Batman comics in my entire life, if that. I just think this decision puts the Batman film franchise in danger. I franchise I quite like and will continue to like.

The Dark Knight looks like an absolute masterpiece I've never doubted that for a moment, i just feel a sense of longing or regret at not getting a Two-Face centric 3rd film, if we even get a 3rd film at all I'll be surprised.

[MiniBond]

I wouldn't bank on Catwoman, if I remember rightly Nolan himself said he found the character one-dimensional

I never read that but if that's right then Nolan is damn wrong !:woot::o:o

[raxor]

villain... vigilante.. it doesn't matter.. in batman begins R'as Al Ghul was also a vigilante.. am i right?

[Gallagher]

villain... vigilante.. it doesn't matter.. in batman begins R'as Al Ghul was also a vigilante.. am i right?

He was doing terrible things for what he believed was the greater good. Isn't Harv doing the same thing? Was Ras not a villain?

[raxor]

He was doing terrible things for what he believed was the greater good. Isn't Harv doing the same thing? Was Ras not a villain?

All we need is a great story.. with a good plot.. throw in some action scenes here and there.. and a few new bat vehicles (i'd love to see a batplane or a batcopter) and im sure nolan can cook something up...

It should feel like a complete trilogy.

[RavenX]

I'm not too happy about hearing this news.

but, I read the summary of Dent's character on the TDK Wiki entry.......that Two-Face is more of a vigilante / opposite of Batman........I suppose I could live with that.

I'll withold final judgement until I see the actual film......lol.

[Gallagher]

Bat-films have always come in twos Batman & Returns, Batman Forever and B&R, BB and TDK.

I actually quite like the 2 film thing. I don't see why everything these days has to be a trilogy. If you can tell your story in 2 films do it. Especially with an ever-decreasing rogue's gallery.

[raxor]

Bat-films have always come in twos Batman & Returns, Batman Forever and B&R, BB and TDK.

I actually quite like the 2 film thing. I don't see why everything these days has to be a trilogy. If you can tell your story in 2 films do it. Especially with an ever-decreasing rogue's gallery.

Come on... don't tell me you woudn't want to see a third batman film by nolan?
he hasn't disappointed us till now.. It might not be as great as this one.. but we all would surely like to see the dark knight return..

[RavenX]

yes, I want a 3rd Nolan bat-film.....and a 4th.....and a 5th.....and a 6th.......:woot:

[raxor]

yes, I want a 3rd Nolan bat-film.....and a 4th.....and a 5th.....and a 6th.......:woot:


yeah a 4th 5th and 6th after a long break..

[anrrd_2]

long break??? why?

[raxor]

long break??? why?

well it does get boring when movies become sequels and prequels... so maybe start an all together new series after a long break..overtime our desires will increase... and it'll reach a point where we wont be able to take it.. and we'll be like nolan.. one more batman please...

[anrrd_2]

are we not already at that point? i dont know about you my friend, but im at that point right now...only 3 weeks until TDK and im already wanting more. call me a glutten but i just cant get enough.

although i do see your point when it comes to average movie goers, their excitment in these films will no doubt deminish long before ours

[raxor]

Once we get enough of dark knight after watching it a repeated number of times.. Our hunger for a new batman starts all over again..

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Id Love to see a third bat-film with a few villains that havent been used on screen yet, all we've seen so far are three new villains in BB that havent been used, theres plenty more where that came from!

[Symbiotic]

Id Love to see a third bat-film with a few villains that havent been used on screen yet, all we've seen so far are three new villains in BB that havent been used, theres plenty more where that came from!Easy does it.

[DeaDheaD]

I would like to see Nolan's treatment of Robin at somepoint

[Rikxiepoo]

I would like to see Nolan's treatment of Robin at somepoint

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Toyota+Grand+Prix+Long+Beach+32nd+Annual+Pro+5wnXJ EkjOZ7l.jpg
He said in some interview that if he had to do Robin he would want this guy.

[raxor]

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Toyota+Grand+Prix+Long+Beach+32nd+Annual+Pro+5wnXJ EkjOZ7l.jpg
He said in some interview that if he had to do Robin he would want this guy.


Dude.. seriously.. who the hell is that??:huh:

[Symbiotic]

Dude.. seriously.. who the hell is that??:huh:Frankie Muniz. From Malcolm In The Middle.

[Closerframe]

I remember Nolan saying he'll never bring Robin in.

[Gallagher]

Looks a bit like Frankie Muniz :huh:

[Schlosser85]

Why the hell does Frankie Muniz look like some old balding guy in that pic??

[DocOc]

Why the hell does Frankie Muniz look like some old balding guy in that pic??

because he's actually in his late 40s...lives at home with his parents and spends countless hours trolling forums..and...

err....Nvm..
:brucebat:


I srsly would rather Nolan not bring Robin into this if that is his true choice for Robin...

[Batman jr.]

I'm thinking that the actual ending we'll get to see is not what those reviewers saw.

Nolan surprises?

He does that.

But I'm probably alone!

[DeaDheaD]

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Toyota+Grand+Prix+Long+Beach+32nd+Annual+Pro+5wnXJ EkjOZ7l.jpg
He said in some interview that if he had to do Robin he would want this guy.
well muniz would be about 30 before the "Nolan-verse" would introduce Grayson so I'm not sure about him, although he'll probably still look like he's 12.

[zmystico]

no, I'm with ya, I'm expecting some Nolan surprises, two-face dying might not be a bad thing if its written well, just not having him get killed in some crappy cheesy way

[theShape]

The next film would be a great opportunity for Nolan to bring Robin in, when Batman needs him the most. However, it would draw too many comparison's to that other Batman movie with Robin and Two-Face (BF), especially if the Riddler popped up.

[RavenX]

well, we'll find out if there are any suprises in just a few weeks......;)

[RavenX]

I'm still hoping that Two-Face doesn't really die.......but as long as its handled well on screen, I'll be a happy bat-fan.....

[HarveyTwoFace]

Hey there, this is my first post so I hope to make a good first impression. I've been looking at your forums since early yesterday because the Two Face dies thing got me really worried. However, I'm starting to believe its either just an elaborate hoax, or a rumor that got out of control. Here's the reasons why:

1) Nobody has been able to provide substantial proof for this ending. All I've heard is people say "But I read it in reviews from respectable sites that have no reason to lie!" That's all fine and dandy but... where? Any time someone asks for the source, the poster fails to give it. It's hard to believe something without proof. Even that picture that was posted several pages back: that could be anywhere in the movie (likely at the end, admittedly). There could be a Dent funeral before the scene where the cop thinks Dent's dead... but he's only "Half". If you disagree, show me proof, not spoiler text that RAVES that I'm wrong.

2) Conflicting reports. I've read so many different accounts on how it happens its insane. Car crash, shot, and fell off a building? Which one is it folks? And that Two-Face goes after Gordon's family just doesn't ring true to me. Dent was Gordon's ally, he's after the mob not his friend. Also, one of the accounts that described the events claims that Batman kills the Joker... with a knife! But I digress, I don't believe a word of it.

Okay, so it's only two reasons, but still, if you can counter those points then please do. I don't mean to be critical, but there have been some people that are so adamant that Harvey Dent/Two-Face dies that they've become what seems to me to be rude. I ask for proof, not enlarged spoiler text.

Also, while Two-Face is (obviously) my favorite Batman villain (even after he's scarred, who would have thought?!) I am okay with his fate as long as it's done well. I'm just pointing out, if that makes sense. Again, forgive me if I come across as rude.

[RavenX]

yah.....this news was surprising to me, too.

I was fully expecting that they would keep Two-Face as the main villain in the 3rd film....

but...who knows.....I'll withold judgement until I see the final film.......

[CrypticOne]

yah.....this news was surprising to me, too.

I was fully expecting that they would keep Two-Face as the main villain in the 3rd film....

but...who knows.....I'll withold judgement until I see the final film.......

Yeah, if there was a third film, I wanted Two-Face to be holding the villains torch in that one.

[Anubis Raptor]

Wonder if two face's voice will be rough and husky like the cartoon?

[GarretW]

Maybe it's just the way Eckhart's voice is, but it sounded like it's like that in the "My Hero" clip.

[Venom 1988]

Hey there, this is my first post so I hope to make a good first impression. I've been looking at your forums since early yesterday because the Two Face dies thing got me really worried. However, I'm starting to believe its either just an elaborate hoax, or a rumor that got out of control. Here's the reasons why:

1) Nobody has been able to provide substantial proof for this ending. All I've heard is people say "But I read it in reviews from respectable sites that have no reason to lie!" That's all fine and dandy but... where? Any time someone asks for the source, the poster fails to give it. It's hard to believe something without proof. Even that picture that was posted several pages back: that could be anywhere in the movie (likely at the end, admittedly). There could be a Dent funeral before the scene where the cop thinks Dent's dead... but he's only "Half". If you disagree, show me proof, not spoiler text that RAVES that I'm wrong.

2) Conflicting reports. I've read so many different accounts on how it happens its insane. Car crash, shot, and fell off a building? Which one is it folks? And that Two-Face goes after Gordon's family just doesn't ring true to me. Dent was Gordon's ally, he's after the mob not his friend. Also, one of the accounts that described the events claims that Batman kills the Joker... with a knife! But I digress, I don't believe a word of it.

Okay, so it's only two reasons, but still, if you can counter those points then please do. I don't mean to be critical, but there have been some people that are so adamant that Harvey Dent/Two-Face dies that they've become what seems to me to be rude. I ask for proof, not enlarged spoiler text.

Also, while Two-Face is (obviously) my favorite Batman villain (even after he's scarred, who would have thought?!) I am okay with his fate as long as it's done well. I'm just pointing out, if that makes sense. Again, forgive me if I come across as rude.
Except there have been people repeatedly posting the sources, so you obviously haven't seen all the posts.

http://chud.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2275462&postcount=114
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15140989&postcount=1577
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15157370&postcount=2449

:o

[deathfromabove]

Hey there, this is my first post so I hope to make a good first impression. I've been looking at your forums since early yesterday because the Two Face dies thing got me really worried. However, I'm starting to believe its either just an elaborate hoax, or a rumor that got out of control. Here's the reasons why:

1) Nobody has been able to provide substantial proof for this ending. All I've heard is people say "But I read it in reviews from respectable sites that have no reason to lie!" That's all fine and dandy but... where? Any time someone asks for the source, the poster fails to give it. It's hard to believe something without proof. Even that picture that was posted several pages back: that could be anywhere in the movie (likely at the end, admittedly). There could be a Dent funeral before the scene where the cop thinks Dent's dead... but he's only "Half". If you disagree, show me proof, not spoiler text that RAVES that I'm wrong.

2) Conflicting reports. I've read so many different accounts on how it happens its insane. Car crash, shot, and fell off a building? Which one is it folks? And that Two-Face goes after Gordon's family just doesn't ring true to me. Dent was Gordon's ally, he's after the mob not his friend. Also, one of the accounts that described the events claims that Batman kills the Joker... with a knife! But I digress, I don't believe a word of it.

Okay, so it's only two reasons, but still, if you can counter those points then please do. I don't mean to be critical, but there have been some people that are so adamant that Harvey Dent/Two-Face dies that they've become what seems to me to be rude. I ask for proof, not enlarged spoiler text.

Also, while Two-Face is (obviously) my favorite Batman villain (even after he's scarred, who would have thought?!) I am okay with his fate as long as it's done well. I'm just pointing out, if that makes sense. Again, forgive me if I come across as rude.

no. the truth is out there. find it yourself.:whatever:

[HarveyTwoFace]

Well there it is. That's all I asked for. However, none of those were in this thread, which is the one I've been watching for a while. It does kind of suck that they'd tell us all this before the movie came out. But whatever. *shrugs*

[itsthebatman]

The next film would be a great opportunity for Nolan to bring Robin in, when Batman needs him the most. However, it would draw too many comparison's to that other Batman movie with Robin and Two-Face (BF), especially if the Riddler popped up.
Given thatTwo-Face dies in TDK, not a problem.

[Anubis Raptor]

I clicked the spoiler by mistake and it said that two face dies.


How true is that if I may ask?

[Rezzo]

I clicked the spoiler by mistake and it said that two face dies.


How true is that if I may ask?

It seems it's 100% true.

[HarveyTwoFace]

Hey M.O.M.D. there's spoiler text there for a reason. I actually didn't come into this thread to find that out about the movie (though I should have figured I would have found out about something I didn't want to know), and now the movie is slightly ruined for me. At least the emotional impact of that event. Now I'm just expecting badness.

[Spade]

I clicked the spoiler by mistake and it said that two face dies.


How true is that if I may ask?

The tag's there for a reason. Common sense dictates that when you're posting it without that tag...oh, forget it.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4880/epicfacepalmpj9.png

[darkseid26]

that is epic...

[Anubis Raptor]

The tag's there for a reason. Common sense dictates that when you're posting it without that tag...oh, forget it.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4880/epicfacepalmpj9.png

What a comment

[Anubis Raptor]

Hey M.O.M.D. there's spoiler text there for a reason. I actually didn't come into this thread to find that out about the movie (though I should have figured I would have found out about something I didn't want to know), and now the movie is slightly ruined for me. At least the emotional impact of that event. Now I'm just expecting badness.


srry 'bout that man

p.s.

Next time think twice about coming into a SPOILER thread next time and not expecting to know anything new:cwink:

[itsthebatman]

srry 'bout that man

p.s.

Next time think twice about coming into a SPOILER thread next time and not expecting to know anything new:cwink:
Or, you could use the spoiler tagswhich isn't very difficult.

[Anubis Raptor]

Thats why they call me the destroyer...

[regwec]

Two Face could be killed, bagged, tagged and buried and still reappear in the third film, depending on the will of the director, whoever that might be. Audiences won't mind a small incision in logic if it allows patient Narrative to keep up her strength.

[HarveyTwoFace]

Hm, I don't think they would do that though, to be honest. Nolan is too realistic of a director (the Prestige notwithstanding) to just make such an extreme change of direction.

Honestly though, I'm still not totally convinced, mostly because I'm such a Two-Face fan I'll have to see it to believe it. There are still some inconsistencies that bug me. For example, that Duffer guy who's comments were linked to a few posts above, he claims that The Joker drives the Batman to a point where he springs a knife from his glove and slits the clowns throat! Now that, to me, sounds like the Joker one, right there. Batman crossed his line, proved the Joker's point. He also said that Gordon shot Two-Face several times is how he died. This is a direct contradiction it seems, and this is all from Talkbacks on AICN.

Also, a (convieniently deleted) review from Latino Review claims that the last we see of Two-Face is in a car wreck. Not falling from a building. I'm not too sure about this one since not only is it not there anymore, but I only heard about it secondhand. But it's from nice respectable people like yourselves on another forum.

And you're right M.O.M.D. this is what I get for going to a spoiler forum.

[namtaB]

Two Face could be killed, bagged, tagged and buried and still reappear in the third film, depending on the will of the director, whoever that might be. Audiences won't mind a small incision in logic if it allows patient Narrative to keep up her strength.

Doesn't that lack
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k297/Romulus219/28224.jpg

[bkey]

If Two Face really does die (which I fully believe he does based on the reviews and new info, and if Nolan is back for the third film then Two Face definitely won't be in it, unless there is a flashback.

[anrrd_2]

i sincerly hope they dont die....jokers death was (imo) the worst part of BATMAN(89)....and why bring in twoface for 30 to 45 minutes only to kill him off?? however it plays out im sure i will love the film...i would just prefer they didn't

[HarveyTwoFace]

Also, don't listen to anything anyone says in the AICN talkbacks. Above, in the post about Duffer's review (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15140989&postcount=1577), it mentions a "early review" that has people mentioning Two-Face's death in the talkbacks. Well, here it is, look for "That 70s Venom" for the post and be warned, it has some "spoilers." http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/37214#comment_2134209

There you have it: Three major character die and Clayface is the villain in the next Batman movie. Yay for realism!

[anrrd_2]

holy ****...i immediatley regret reading that......

[Rezzo]

in the talkbacks. Well, here it is, look for "That 70s Venom" for the post and be warned, it has some "spoilers." http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/37214#comment_2134209

There you have it: Three major character die and Clayface is the villain in the next Batman movie. Yay for realism!

That was just lame.

[HarveyTwoFace]

Yeah I know. I realize I'm starting to lose any legs to stand on in this debate as more information becomes available, but its posts like those that give me hope that it's just... I dunno. Anyway, I just thought I'd share some of that with you.

At least I didn't think of it.

[RavenX]

well, from what I've read of the plot points......the way Dent/Two-Face is portrayed sounds gound....even if it's not what I had originally envisioned......

It does bring up the question though.......who would be the main villain for the 3rd film?

I definitely don't think it's Clayface......

[darkseid26]

holy ****...i immediatley regret reading that......

me too

[anrrd_2]

oh well...still excited! :)

[darkseid26]

2 more weeks and i'll see for my self what the hecks going on.

[user123456789]

Also, don't listen to anything anyone says in the AICN talkbacks. Above, in the post about Duffer's review (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15140989&postcount=1577), it mentions a "early review" that has people mentioning Two-Face's death in the talkbacks. Well, here it is, look for "That 70s Venom" for the post and be warned, it has some "spoilers." http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/37214#comment_2134209

There you have it: Three major character die and Clayface is the villain in the next Batman movie. Yay for realism!
if these are true, im diggin it!

[HarveyTwoFace]

I'll just point out that the description of Clayface is dragged directly from Batman: The Animated Series. Also, if the Penguin is too odd for Nolan's vision (which he has said he is) then I think this would be too.

[samsnee]

If the rumor about Two-Face's death is true, I don't like it. I'm tired of EVERY superhero movie killing off the villain.

[user123456789]

If the rumor about Two-Face's death is true, I don't like it. I'm tired of EVERY superhero movie killing off the villain.
u know what would be cool?

if after his funeral, we see batman opening the coffin

and there is no one inside

... :)

[RavenX]

ok, read through those links.......some of that stuff sounds WAY OUT THERE.......I really don't know what to believe now..........

man......just 2 more weeks.........

[bkey]

in the talkbacks. Well, here it is, look for "That 70s Venom" for the post and be warned, it has some "spoilers." http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/37214#comment_2134209

There you have it: Three major character die and Clayface is the villain in the next Batman movie. Yay for realism!


Thats competely false. Nothing in that post is true. I'm not even sure the poster was trying to be serious.

[Venom 1988]

I'll just point out that the description of Clayface is dragged directly from Batman: The Animated Series. Also, if the Penguin is too odd for Nolan's vision (which he has said he is) then I think this would be too.

You don't honestly believe that do you? :dry:

[HarveyTwoFace]

Thats competely false. Nothing in that post is true. I'm not even sure the poster was trying to be serious.


When you say the poster, do you mean me or the guy who posted that Talkback? If you mean that guy, that's pretty much the description I've heard from other people as well. I'm not joking, I swear I'm just trying to show you the kinds of things I've seen.

Most people say that Dent takes Gordon's family hostage because Dent blames Gordon for Rachel Dawes' death. While fighting for his family, supposedly Gordon shoots Dent several times and he somehow falls to his death. Or something stupid like that. And like I said, I've heard that Batman supposedly slits the Joker's throat. I call shenanigans, but whatever.

And to Venom, I do believe that the talkback poster's description of the said character is from Batman the Animated Series. I have the DVD with the episodes featuring him on it. And about the Penguin thing, I do believe Nolan thinks the Penguin is too out there for him. I didn't say I agreed. This was back when people thought Philip Seymour Hoffman was going to play "a British Arms dealer" by the name of the Penguin. He likely was thinking along the lines of the Animated Series and Batman Returns Penguin, when he's pretty mutated and acts like a bird, not the more recent version where he's just a mob-type character with a penchant for fabulous fowls. And yes, I went there.

[DSET]

two face youre just trying to throw everyone off
come off it
plz ignore him people

Clayface is not set up for p3

and the ending you suggest is false regarding:::wow:(dont read if you dont wanna be spoiled)joker he ends up in jail

[bkey]

When you say the poster, do you mean me or the guy who posted that Talkback? If you mean that guy, that's pretty much the description I've heard from other people as well. I'm not joking, I swear I'm just trying to show you the kinds of things I've seen.

I'm talking about this:
***WARNING. I AM WARNING YOU RIGHT ****ING NOW. DO NOT READ BELOW THIS IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE DARK KNIGHT SPOILED FOR YOU. THIS IS SERIOUS ****.*** Rachel Dawes dies. The Joker dies. Two-Face dies. Batman and Alfred cry like babies while hugging each other. Jim Gordon kills Two-Face. Batman kills The Joker after The Joker learns his identity and threatens Alfred's life. The Joker drops Rachel Dawes out of a window but she only breaks one leg and both arms but then the Joker stabs her in the heart (literally) later right in front of Batman. Bat Girl is introduced (sort of, it's actually Barbara Gordon, Jim's daughter, but no mention of Bat Girl really). Clayface is introduced at the very end of the film in a very strange way so he will probably be the main villain in the 3rd film. There is an actor on TV who has a "bizarre skin reaction" to a cosmetic skin cream which made his hands "like melted caramel" according to a doctor's report. That's about it, folks. The movie ****in rocked. If you can see it in IMAX, THEN GO ****ING SEE IT IN IMAX!!! THE ACTION SCENES ARE ****ING BRILLIANT!!! Best movie of the year by far.

I put it in spoiler tags to not piss anyone off, but 99% of it is fake. There is no Clayface intro, and no Killer Croc cameo. The Barbara Gordon in the movie is Jim Gordon's wife, not daughter (and she doesn't become Bat Girl.) The shananigans about Batman killing Joker isn't true either, same goes for Joker stabbing Rachel in front of Batman. Thats definitely not happening..

[turtlefocker]

This is for HarveyTwoFace, Bkey and anyone else who wants to know the truth

_

Alright this is how it goes down, all of it:

Rachel and Harvey are kidnapped.

Joker gives Batman there addresses

Batman goes to save Rachel. Gordon goes to save Harvey.

When Batman gets to where Rachel is he finds Harvey. There is an explosion and Harvey is scarred.

Gordon shows up where Dent is supposed to be late, there is an explosion and Rachel dies.

Two-Face blames Dent for the death of Rachel so he take his family hostage.

Batman shows up and Two-Face is killed (Not by Batman)

Joker does NOT die in TDK – he is arrested at the end

Two-Face is dead. All the way Dead.

Batman takes credit for the people two-face killed (the guy in the bar etc. - which happens before two-face's 'actual' death) so the the image of Harvey Dent is not ruined.

Batman goes on the run.

^<That in there is fact

[bkey]

This is for HarveyTwoFace, Bkey and anyone else who wants to know the truth

_

Alright this is how it goes down, all of it:

Rachel and Harvey are kidnapped.

Joker gives Batman there addresses

Batman goes to save Rachel. Gordon goes to save Harvey.

When Batman gets to where Rachel is he finds Harvey. There is an explosion and Harvey is scarred.

Gordon shows up where Dent is supposed to be late, there is an explosion and Rachel dies.

Two-Face blames Dent for the death of Rachel so he take his family hostage.

Batman shows up and Two-Face is killed (Not by Batman)

Joker does NOT die in TDK – he is arrested at the end

Two-Face is dead. All the way Dead.

Batman takes credit for the people two-face killed (the guy in the bar etc. - which happens before two-face's 'actual' death) so the the image of Harvey Dent is not ruined.

Batman goes on the run.

^<That in there is fact

Thats pretty much what I thought. Is the part about Dent's scarring definite?

[HarveyTwoFace]

You're right DSet, I could be trying to throw a wrench into everything. See how easily a rumor is spread? Now, thank you Turle-man, for the information. Now would you mind please telling me where you found all this out? Is that from one source or a amalgam of multiple sources? No offense, truly none is meant, but unsourced information like that kind of gets under my skin. I understand that not everything I've said has been unsourced, but everything that is essential to this debate has been, I certainly hope. Anyhow, source if you please?

[bkey]

You're right DSet, I could be trying to throw a wrench into everything. See how easily a rumor is spread? Now, thank you Turle-man, for the information. Now would you mind please telling me where you found all this out? Is that from one source or a amalgam of multiple sources? No offense, truly none is meant, but unsourced information like that kind of gets under my skin. I understand that not everything I've said has been unsourced, but everything that is essential to this debate has been, I certainly hope. Anyhow, source if you please?

I have seen most of that from several different sources, but I don't remember any of the links. I definitely would post them if I remembered. Badtaste.it had most of it right back in March, but most people thought it was fake back then. http://www.badtaste.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2690&Itemid=82

Also, Turtlefocker is, IMO, one of the most reliable posters when it comes to info on SHH, so I trust him, especially since I and several other users have seen most of that info in previous reviews.

[HarveyTwoFace]

Okay, that's fine. Don't mistake me when I ask for sources for doubting the poster's intentions. I only do that when someone says something utterly ridiculous. Honestly, I am okay with the ending as described by Turtle. I just want to know where he got it so I can be absolutely sure. Even though, I don't know why Badtaste would have the entire movie plot (which is what that is, as soon as I saw that I didn't read it. I already know enough).

But, thanks for it all the same.

[user123456789]

turtlefocker

best user name ever rofl

[bkey]

Okay, that's fine. Don't mistake me when I ask for sources for doubting the poster's intentions. I only do that when someone says something utterly ridiculous. Honestly, I am okay with the ending as described by Turtle. I just want to know where he got it so I can be absolutely sure. Even though, I don't know why Badtaste would have the entire movie plot (which is what that is, as soon as I saw that I didn't read it. I already know enough).

But, thanks for it all the same.


Oh I completely understand. I like to know where info comes from too, and to make sure it is legit before believing it.



Off topic kinda, but I am still curious about Maroni's trial. The scene is described in the casting sides, and it seems like most of the sides are pretty accurate so far. I was told that the scene is in the movie, and is "chaotic" but if its not when Dent is scarred what else could happen there.

[Sub-Zero]

bkey, i really hoped you were right about the scarring. i really hate that its probably not in the courtroom. i'm sure the movie will be great despite that but i'm a little disappointed right now :(

[bkey]

bkey, i really hoped you were right about the scarring. i really hate that its probably not in the courtroom. i'm sure the movie will be great despite that but i'm a little disappointed right now :(

My source about Maroni's trial is reliable, I mean he was in the scene, he just never said what happened in the scene, just that it takes place. I just put two and two together I guess, with what I was told along with the casting sides and what Eckhart said.

[SonikDeath]

Ive never been a fan of harvey dent or two face, hopefully eckhart changes that.

[HarveyTwoFace]

Two-Face has always been a fantastic character to me. He's underused in the comics though, and it's kind of sad for me at least. He's best used when he's a stark reminder of someone Batman failed to save. Just think, every time Dent kills someone for whatever reason, Batman thinks, "That man used to be my friend."

But anyway Bkey, I'm not too sure... but those are the things I was expecting to see discussed when I first got here :P

[Ama Zing]

bkey, i really hoped you were right about the scarring. i really hate that its probably not in the courtroom. i'm sure the movie will be great despite that but i'm a little disappointed right now :(
I'm mostly indifferent to where it actually takes place, so long at the scene itself is great a relavant. I liked the TAS way because it gave Dent a bit of a vendetta against Batman that TLH didn't.

[Sub-Zero]

I'm mostly indifferent to where it actually takes place, so long at the scene itself is great a relavant. I liked the TAS way because it gave Dent a bit of a vendetta against Batman that TLH didn't.

well, batman didn't do anything to dent in TAS. it wasn't premeditated. it was an accident, and two-face blamed thorne, batman was just in the way of two-face getting to thorne. you can make batman feel responsible for not being able to save him, but you can't really say that two-face has a vendetta against a man that didn't cause what happened to him.

i never saw two-face as being around as a villain because of batman; that's what the joker is for. i see two-face as a vigilante on the verge of becoming a hardcore villain. before the scarring he did what batman does but by using the law in his favor. him, gordon, and batman got rid of all the mobs in gotham. i think the movie is doing this too. after he's scarred he goes after the people responsible. it was never batman, it was the mob and all of the people that gave him up to the mob.

having the joker be responsible for the scarring makes no sense to me. sure he's chaotic but it's against batman, anyone else in the way would just be killed. it also makes maroni's role less important. ok he's the new head of the falcone crime family, but how is that a big deal? he plays a major factor in dent's comic origin. having him in the movie and not having him become responsible for scarring dent makes him very unimportant to the story.

[SingItWithMeNow]

so when's the two-face action figure coming out?

[raxor]

so when's the two-face action figure coming out?

i doubt they'll have a two face action figure out.. i mean the movie was centered more on harvey dent than two face..

[Joe Kerr]

i doubt they'll have a two face action figure out.. i mean the movie was centered more on harvey dent than two face..

yeah, except for the Photos of it.

[Venom 1988]

lol

[raxor]

In one of the reviews i read that harvey dents face looked like sizzling bacon.. imagine you had some food chain selling bacon with harvey as its mascot..

[Batteen87]

I'm mostly indifferent to where it actually takes place, so long at the scene itself is great a relavant. I liked the TAS way because it gave Dent a bit of a vendetta against Batman that TLH didn't.

See I don't like that, I like to think of Dent and Batman as friends who don't always see eye to eye. They both want justice, but Harvey is willing to go over the line and Batman's not. It's really Batman's one rule that separates the two. I've always preferred Dent as a vigilante rather than a normal criminal.

[raxor]

See I don't like that, I like to think of Dent and Batman as friends who don't always see eye to eye. They both want justice, but Harvey is willing to go over the line and Batman's not. It's really Batman's one rule that separates the two. I've always preferred Dent as a vigilante rather than a normal criminal.


It wouldn't be bad to have a third film where dent turns out to be a villain in the beginning and later ends up helping batman..

[Batteen87]

It wouldn't be bad to have a third film where dent turns out to be a villain in the beginning and later ends up helping batman..

That would be incredibly awesome.

[raxor]

We can trust chris nolan to cook up something good...

[Mastodon123]

This is for HarveyTwoFace, Bkey and anyone else who wants to know the truth

_

Alright this is how it goes down, all of it:

Rachel and Harvey are kidnapped.

Joker gives Batman there addresses

Batman goes to save Rachel. Gordon goes to save Harvey.

When Batman gets to where Rachel is he finds Harvey. There is an explosion and Harvey is scarred.

Gordon shows up where Dent is supposed to be late, there is an explosion and Rachel dies.

Two-Face blames Dent for the death of Rachel so he take his family hostage.

Batman shows up and Two-Face is killed (Not by Batman)

Joker does NOT die in TDK – he is arrested at the end

Two-Face is dead. All the way Dead.

Batman takes credit for the people two-face killed (the guy in the bar etc. - which happens before two-face's 'actual' death) so the the image of Harvey Dent is not ruined.

Batman goes on the run.

^<That in there is fact

Dent escapes unscathed from the warehouse explosion. He really gets burnt during the trial. The cop he killed in the bar brought in the gasoline, or acid into the courthouse. Thats why he has an vendetta with him.

[Venom 1988]

It wouldn't be bad to have a third film where dent turns out to be a villain in the beginning and later ends up helping batman..

That would be incredibly awesome.

:dry:

Dent escapes unscathed from the warehouse explosion. He really gets burnt during the trial. The cop he killed in the bar brought in the gasoline, or acid into the courthouse. Thats why he has an vendetta with him.

Wrongo

[Yurka]

yeah, except for the Photos of it.

lol I love you Joe.
Where have you been man???

[Batteen87]

:dry:



Wrongo

You might be right, but I'm not going to believe it until I see it with my own eyes.

[raxor]

You might be right, but I'm not going to believe it until I see it with my own eyes.

Same here.. I've already got different stories running in my mind right now...

[Majik1387]

I hope these spoilers about Dent/Two-Face dying are not true at all...

[anrrd_2]

^ditto

[CrypticOne]

If indeed it's true that....

....Two-Face/Harvey dies, why do writers/directers do this to major characters, like Venom, for instance? I mean, where is the logic that these are major characters they are giving funerals too? They say that have the utmost respect for the comics, then they wouldn't let Two-Face bite the dust. He is a major figure in the Batman franchise. I just don't see how you can introduce a character and then just kill them off.

[omid17]

If indeed it's true that....

....Two-Face/Harvey dies, why do writers/directers do this to major characters, like Venom, for instance? I mean, where is the logic that these are major characters they are giving funerals too? They say that have the utmost respect for the comics, then they wouldn't let Two-Face bite the dust. He is a major figure in the Batman franchise. I just don't see how you can introduce a character and then just kill them off.agreed but i think Two-Face is going to have more screen time than Venom. But i still think having a movie and Two-Face being the main villain would get boring imo, so having him die in TDK would be cool if he had a lot more screen time that Venom

[raxor]

If indeed it's true that....

....Two-Face/Harvey dies, why do writers/directers do this to major characters, like Venom, for instance? I mean, where is the logic that these are major characters they are giving funerals too? They say that have the utmost respect for the comics, then they wouldn't let Two-Face bite the dust. He is a major figure in the Batman franchise. I just don't see how you can introduce a character and then just kill them off.

AGREE

[Anubis Raptor]

How does two face die?


-Mass D.

[omid17]

How does two face die?


-Mass D.You'll know on July 18 :brucebat:

[raxor]

We need to have a poll whethere two face is gonna die or not..

[magus]

We need to have a poll whethere two face is gonna die or not..

What would that prove?

[raxor]

What would that prove?

wouldnt prove anything.. but once we watch the movie we can poke fun at the other saying. "i told you so.."

[01lduff]

i herd in a post in the imdb forums for the dark knight someone claims to have seen the film 3 times and says dent dies in the end of the film i dont know if its true but i hope not has anyone else herd anything like this or anything to prove otherwise i really hope this is fake

[anrrd_2]

i herd in a post in the imdb forums for the dark knight someone claims to have seen the film 3 times and says dent dies in the end of the film i dont know if its true but i hope not has anyone else herd anything like this or anything to prove otherwise i really hope this is fake

duff, i wouldn't give too much merit to something someone said on the imdb boards....outside of arkard, SDM, and a few others; those boards are filled with a bunch of pre-pubesent little trolls with nothing of substance to add to any conversation. im suprised someone took enough time away from talking about their penis or rick roll's to actually say something about the film.

someone once broke it down like this and i think its pretty true.
imdb is the junior varsity team,
SSH is varsity,
and BOF is the mentally handcapped flag football team.

[SuperBatman]

i herd in a post in the imdb forums for the dark knight someone claims to have seen the film 3 times and says dent dies in the end of the film i dont know if its true but i hope not has anyone else herd anything like this or anything to prove otherwise i really hope this is fake

Dude Spoiler Tags Spoiler Tags Spoiler Tags.

It's not about me people get pretty upset about reading that.

[anrrd_2]

Dude Spoiler Tags Spoiler Tags Spoiler Tags.

It's not about me people get pretty upset about reading that.

which is curious because we are in the "spoilers" forums...i knbow the non-spoiler pages are pretty boring (and empty) but why come here if you dont want anyhting spoiled?

[01lduff]

no i no i wasn't pinning it as fact i was just wondering if anyone had herd anything similar on hear or not to back it up or prove otherwise and like he said this is the SPOILER section

[The Guard]

The more I think about it, the more I think killing Two-Face would be a massive mistake, given the thematic and story potential in a third film. Think about it. You could have a citywide freak/mob war, and two vigilantes with very, very different tactics.

[DSET]

The more I think about it, the more I think killing Two-Face would be a massive mistake, given the thematic and story potential in a third film. Think about it. You could have a citywide freak/mob war, and two vigilantes with very, very different tactics.
I very much agree
I dont doubt that it will be fun to watch in this movie and done very well
But still it is a mistake

P3 would be alot better if he was in it, albiet if heath didnt die, BB3 might have been looking alot better right now:( . However one thing thats somewhat worth noting is that we've heard numerous times and Im sure we can see that BB is very different from TDK, and Im sure part 3 will be no exception, thus maybe he has something totally unexpected for P3. Although I dont think it will be able to top this movie nor top what it could have been if face or heath were alive.:(

[MiniBond]

:meanie::meanie:


Am I the only one to actually believe in an awesome third part for Batman no matter Face or Joker are in it...?

[DSET]

I believe it will be awesome but not nearly as awesome as it could be with them in it

[Anubis Raptor]

:meanie::meanie:


Am I the only one to actually believe in an awesome third part for Batman no matter Face or Joker are in it...?


No you're not.

[regwec]

For me, the deaths of Dent and maybe The Joker cause shifts and changes beyond their roles, if any, in the sequel. Batman becomes a different character, with different preoccupations, if they have expired and Gotham cannot be the same kind of mythical dystopia.

The words "Hamlet" and "Prince" spring to mind.

[The Guard]

Batman's going to change regardless of the events of this film.

A third film could still be great without certain characters. But let's face it, an ongoing Batman universe is more interesting when it's a universe that continues on with characters we've come to love. It doesn't work so well when some of the more interesting characters it's been built up around aren't anywhere to be found. It begins to feel more like a staged episode, and less like a world.

[Boom]

The more I think about it, the more I think killing Two-Face would be a massive mistake, given the thematic and story potential in a third film. Think about it. You could have a citywide freak/mob war, and two vigilantes with very, very different tactics.
Exactly. And it'd be interesting, considering Batman would have to "protect" the mob from Two-Face. Adds a great dynamic.

Second movie: he struggles with becoming a monster himself.
Third movie: he struggles with protecting monsters in the name of justice.

[MiniBond]

Batman's going to change regardless of the events of this film.

A third film could still be great without certain characters. But let's face it, an ongoing Batman universe is more interesting when it's a universe that continues on with characters we've come to love. It doesn't work so well when some of the more interesting characters it's been built up around aren't anywhere to be found. It begins to feel more like a staged episode, and less like a world.
Sorry but Nolan IS building his own batworld....it's just that he's doing it through story arcs and themes revolving around Batman hismelf and not by relying on successive appearances of different characters, mainly the villains who will obvsiously change at each particular film !


That's why the critics (IMO) are frequently talking about TDK as a film who will change the way you look at movies and franchises !!!:cwink:

[The Guard]

Sorry but Nolan IS building his own batworld....it's just that he's doing it through story arcs and themes revolving around Batman hismelf and not by relying on successive appearances of different characters, mainly the villains who will obvsiously change at each particular film !

What does that have to do with creating a cohesive, ongoing Batman universe?

[namtaB]

For me, the deaths of Dent and maybe The Joker cause shifts and changes beyond their roles, if any, in the sequel. Batman becomes a different character, with different preoccupations, if they have expired and Gotham cannot be the same kind of mythical dystopia.

The words "Hamlet" and "Prince" spring to mind.

Why?

[DSET]

With the amazing performance heath was giving and Joker being Batmans most popular and intresting character, Im sure Nolan didnt have to think twice that he wanted to keep him around for p3.
I believe joker would be in P3 most definately if heath were alive, now obviously alot less likely

So give Nolan the benefit of the doubt that he would have carried on a Villain for two installments if heath were alive.

[MiniBond]

What does that have to do with creating a cohesive, ongoing Batman universe?
well that sure helps by keeping Batman at the center of the game surrounded by a constantly returning trio Fox/Gordon/Alfred !!!

The villains change each time to surprize and challenge the Batman in different ways !

[SalaciousVC]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n120/branman887/Picture11.png

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n120/branman887/Picture11.png

^^ that is sal maroni

[LiveWire777]

^^ that is sal maroni
are u sure??

[Venom 1988]

are u sure??

Of course, you can tell its Eric Robers

[SuperDaniel]

This movie is about Harvey Dent...so there is no need for third movie about him..plus i dont want to see the same villain again...Batman has a huge gallery of rogues so the third movie will still be interesting...

[RavenX]

does anyone know if Two-Face uses his trademark Coin? Like, he flips the coin to make a decision, and if it's the scar face side, he kills someone........

[Rezzo]

does anyone know if Two-Face uses his trademark Coin? Like, he flips the coin to make a decision, and if it's the scar face side, he kills someone........

Maybe this picture will give you an answer.

http://i25.tinypic.com/1zvg0lc.jpg

[cryptic name]

i may regret asking this, but...
there's been a lot of talk about the fate of harvey, but can anybody concretely tell me how harvey is scarred in the film?

[Lots o lafs]

i may regret asking this, but...
there's been a lot of talk about the fate of harvey, but can anybody concretely tell me how harvey is scarred in the film?

he gets burned, seriously. You can watch the trailer and it shows him on the ground with gasoline on the ground

[cryptic name]

he gets burned, seriously. You can watch the trailer and it shows him on the ground with gasoline on the ground

uhh, thanks.

i mean is that seriously it? with all the other spoilers coming from people who've seen the film i can't get more detail?

[Venom 1988]

uhh, thanks.

i mean is that seriously it? with all the other spoilers coming from people who've seen the film i can't get more detail?

From what I can remember reading ...
Basically The Joker kidnaps Dent and Rachel and put them in two warehouses set to explode and Batman has to choose only one to save. There given the addresses of these warehouse and Batman goes to the one Rachel is at. But there's a twist! The Joker switched the addresses so really Batman arrives at the one Dent is at and during the process Dent is scarred. The other warehouse with Rachel blows up.

Anyone help themselves to correct me or fill in any gaps

[cryptic name]

From what I can remember reading ...
Basically The Joker kidnaps Dent and Rachel and put them in two warehouses set to explode and Batman has to choose only one to save. There given the addresses of these warehouse and Batman goes to the one Rachel is at. But there's a twist! The Joker switched the addresses so really Batman arrives at the one Dent is at and during the process Dent is scarred. The other warehouse with Rachel blows up.

Anyone help themselves to correct me or fill in any gaps

thanks very much. that's actually quite a clever way to do it if they weren't going to take the traditional approach

[Magenta666]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before (I'm sure it has been) but I was watching the WW footage and i noticed that before Dent becomes two-face he uses his right hand (toasting at Waynes party holding the coin) and then after he uses his left hand (holding the gun and drinking the shot)

I wonder if they are going to use that to differentiate between the two

[RavenX]

hmmm....interesting.....

I wonder if Two-Face will also have 2 arm-candy girls.......what were there names...Sugar and Spice? :whatever:

[Anubis Raptor]

IMO, Two-Face deserved to live.

[SuperBatman]

he gets burned, seriously. You can watch the trailer and it shows him on the ground with gasoline on the ground


Actually Major Spoiler

I don't think that's how it happens because that scene to me looks like where the Joker kidnaps Rachael and Harvey Dent and ties them both to chairs and leaves them both in a some gasoline but the thing is I heard that Dent does not get scared during that scene I heard it happens in a court room.

[selinakyle415]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n120/branman887/Picture11.png

Um:

In "The Long Halloween" Batman story, which is a book I heard they were basing a lot of this movie on, Harvey Dent gets scarred in a court room by Sal Maroni by acid from an Antacid bottle. But this is Maroni in the picture with him. So, unless the Joker Scars him via gasoline instead, I'm curious as to how Dent would be involved with Maroni. In the books, he Maroni dies after messing up Dent's face.

Just a thought. The movie is going to kick ass regardless.

[The Senator]

I do not care at all how Harvey Dent is scarred, whether someone tosses acid on his face, he's set on fire, or some other sort of accident occurs. I don't care about Dent's fate at the end of the movie, whether he lives, dies, or if it's ambiguous. What I do care about is how the character is portrayed, and whether he is an actual presence in the film or just thrown in there to please fanboys (ala Eddie Brock/ Venom). This is a movie on it's own, and I plan to judge it as a movie, not as an adaptation of the comics. I want to see Two-Face done with cinematic justice (much like the Joker), and if an origin change and death is necessary to do that on film, then so be it.

[Anubis Raptor]

I do not care at all how Harvey Dent is scarred, whether someone tosses acid on his face, he's set on fire, or some other sort of accident occurs. I don't care about Dent's fate at the end of the movie, whether he lives, dies, or if it's ambiguous. What I do care about is how the character is portrayed, and whether he is an actual presence in the film or just thrown in there to please fanboys (ala Eddie Brock/ Venom). This is a movie on it's own, and I plan to judge it as a movie, not as an adaptation of the comics. I want to see Two-Face done with cinematic justice (much like the Joker), and if an origin change and death is necessary to do that on film, then so be it.

:grin::grin::grin:

[ronny]

Here's what I don't get. In The Long Halloween Two-Face is a lot like this version, a vigilante doing what needs to be done. But how can the character work in any other way? I mean, if Two-Face is an outright villain how the hell is that supposed to work? If he's like a homicidal lawyer taking justice outside the courtroom I can appreciate that. By using giant coins? Robbing banks?
How does that benefit the character? At all?

[SuperBatman]

Um you lost me where did you hear Two Face will rob a bank? Unless you are talking about Tommy Lee Jones Two Face.

[The Joker]

The origin story they did for Two Face in the BTAS is alot like this, too.

In BTAS, Harvey was trying to take down Rupert Thorne's criminal organization. After Harvey becomes scarred because of Thorne, as Two Face he sets out to take down Thorne once and for all.

[Rikxiepoo]

The origin story they did for Two Face in the BTAS is alot like this, too.

In BTAS, Harvey was trying to take down Rupert Thorne's criminal organization. After Harvey becomes scarred because of Thorne, as Two Face he sets out to take down Thorne once and for all.

...and then they had him robbing banks or holding the city hostage for money for no reason, and is even seen playing poker with The Joker, Killer Croc, and Poison Ivy :cwink:. All the more reason why Two-Face doesn't really work as a villain and more as a vigilante.

[TLH]

Possible shot of Two-Face?

http://www.nuvein.com/archived_cinnews_site/neill/twoface.jpg

[MiniBond]

The origin story they did for Two Face in the BTAS is alot like this, too.

In BTAS, Harvey was trying to take down Rupert Thorne's criminal organization. After Harvey becomes scarred because of Thorne, as Two Face he sets out to take down Thorne once and for all.
damn I was about to post this....:o:o:woot::woot:



Seems we'll never see the classic courtroom scene on screen !:csad:

[Gallagher]

Oh no, I've bee Tommy Lee Rolled. :o