Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[bkey]

I know a lot of people think this but I am still not convinced that Dent is scarred when the warehouse explodes.

After he is scarred he goes after Wuertz and Maroni, and possibly others. Why would he does this if they don't have a role in his scarring. Also, Maroni's trial is in the movie, I am not saying where he gets scarred (even though I still think its possible.)

[Ecstasy]

No, I honestly think that they:

scrapped the acid scene in the courtroom and went with the Joker burning his face with gasoline

Still, I wish they didn't have Harvey/Two-Face:

die

[bkey]

No, I honestly think that they:

scrapped the acid scene in the courtroom and went with the Joker burning his face with gasoline

Still, I wish they didn't have Harvey/Two-Face:

die

The trial is 100% in the movie though.

[Mastodon123]

I know a lot of people think this but I am still not convinced that Dent is scarred when the warehouse explodes.

After he is scarred he goes after Wuertz and Maroni, and possibly others. Why would he does this if they don't have a role in his scarring. Also, Maroni's trial is in the movie, I am not saying where he gets scarred (even though I still think its possible.)

I've tried telling others this too.


If he did get scared in the warehouse, wouldn't he have blamed Batman instead. Also theres a scene in one of the trailers where Dent is talking negatively about the Batman during a speech, unscared, possibly blaming Batman for Rachels death.

What would be the point of killing the cop and Maroni if he got scared in the warehouse? Its oblivous that the cop brings in acid during the trial so Maroni could scar him.

[bkey]

I've tried telling others this too.


If he did get scared in the warehouse, wouldn't he have blamed Batman instead. Also theres a scene in one of the trailers where Dent is talking negatively about the Batman during a speech, unscared, possibly blaming Batman for Rachels death.

What would be the point of killing the cop and Maroni if he got scared in the warehouse? Its oblivous that the cop brings in acid during the trial so Maroni could scar him.


Thats what I think too.

[bkey]

Aaron L. W. please just tell me yourself what you want...i deserve to hear it from you. i deserve to know why, please you owe me.

:huh::huh::huh:

[ActuallyRobin]

:huh::huh::huh:

I'm just as confused as you are.

[omid17]

than why does Two-Face do the head or tails thing when he's in the car with him? i guess it landed on heads so he was lucky, but i heard he flipped the coin again but it was for the driver and it landed on tails, than he kills the driver

[The Joker]

...and then they had him robbing banks or holding the city hostage for money for no reason, and is even seen playing poker with The Joker, Killer Croc, and Poison Ivy :cwink:.

Don't forget The Penguin. He was at the poker game, too. And Killer Croc was not :cwink:

All the more reason why Two-Face doesn't really work as a villain and more as a vigilante.

The Long Halloween and BTAS both set him up that way. But then in his follow up stories he seems to have somehow lost any kind of morality, no matter how twisted. He's just a straight up villain.

[Rikxiepoo]

Don't forget The Penguin. He was at the poker game, too. And Killer Croc was not :cwink:

Umm... what Batman: The Animated Series did you watch:huh:. Penguin was not at the poker game, and Croc was. Its the episode where Batman is undercover posing as Croc and then at the end every1 at the bar (undercover police) took out their guns and pointed them at the villains.

[DSET]

penguin was there
:whatever:

[The Joker]

Umm... what Batman: The Animated Series did you watch:huh:. Penguin was not at the poker game

I watched Batman: The Animated Series. Don't know what one you watched, though:


http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/Jokerfan1980/Almostgotim.jpg

and Croc was.Its the episode where Batman is undercover posing as Croc

Exactly! So Croc wasn't really there, was he. It was Batman.

[laudanum09]

I watched Batman: The Animated Series. Don't know what one you watched, though:
Exactly! So Croc wasn't really there, was he. It was Batman.

hah technically he was right! my friend went on vacation and left me all four box sets so I've got a busy couple weeks on my hands. enough to keep me entertained for an excruciating 13 days. this episode is up next, i remember watching it as a kid and seeing all my favorite rogues in the same episode.

[laudanum09]

I do not care at all how Harvey Dent is scarred, whether someone tosses acid on his face, he's set on fire, or some other sort of accident occurs. I don't care about Dent's fate at the end of the movie, whether he lives, dies, or if it's ambiguous. What I do care about is how the character is portrayed, and whether he is an actual presence in the film or just thrown in there to please fanboys (ala Eddie Brock/ Venom). This is a movie on it's own, and I plan to judge it as a movie, not as an adaptation of the comics. I want to see Two-Face done with cinematic justice (much like the Joker), and if an origin change and death is necessary to do that on film, then so be it.

I'm in complete agreement with this. I have avoided finding out the exact details of his scarring, but just look at TAS, that two-face origin story was really intense for a kids show. It really showed how f-ed up dent was to begin with. it strayed from the courtroom 'canon' origin, but it ended up being extremely powerful and well done. My only beef is that...well I thought he looked like play-dough or taffy-fish-face. the perfect split always kind of bugged me as well...but if an explosion or something besides the court scene is in Nolan's hands, I trust it to be awesome.


PS

does anybody know if that rumored montage with criminals being rounded up is in the film?

[protocida]

How i've heard:


Harvey sends Maroni on trial. Before the judgment, A dirt cop (The one of the ''Half dead'' scene) passes Maroni acid and he throws it on Dent's face when the trial begins. Dent goes to hospital, but runs away and get's revenge on those envolved on his scarring.

AND HE WILL NOT DIE!

[Spade]

That's been disproven multiple times by people who have seen the film.

[The Caped Knight]

Umm... what Batman: The Animated Series did you watch:huh:. Penguin was not at the poker game, and Croc was. Its the episode where Batman is undercover posing as Croc and then at the end every1 at the bar (undercover police) took out their guns and pointed them at the villains.

The episode is called "Almost Got 'Im "

Villains present

1.The Joker
2.Two-Face
3.The Penguin
4. Poison Ivy
5. Killer Croc - aka Batman in disguise

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/episodes/almostgotim/Pan08.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

I wonder if in TDK movie if Two-Face will have a double gun like the animated Two-Face did in BTAS .

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/episodes/almostgotim/51.jpg

[Rezzo]

I wonder if in TDK movie if Two-Face will have a double gun like the animated Two-Face did in BTAS .

Seems more than likely that he'll only have one.

[laudanum09]

this just in from salacious at the merch thread.

a front shot of the two-face action figure:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l41/shipwrecks09/matteltdkbasictwofacebj6.jpg

[ABleedingCorpse]

I loved that episode of TAS. Everyone has a great story to tell about how they almost got Batman except Killer Croc. "Ya see, one time I had the Batman cornered right and I threw a rock at him!!!!!" *blink* lol. Too hilarious.

[ABleedingCorpse]

this just in from salacious at the merch thread.

a front shot of the two-face action figure:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l41/shipwrecks09/matteltdkbasictwofacebj6.jpg


What's up with that??

[Spade]

Is that Two-Face figure packaged with a Batman figure as well? That tagline at the bottom doesn't make much sense as it stands. Neither does the pic in the corner, for that matter.

[ABleedingCorpse]

I just noticed the little detial on the bottom of the figure. "fire". lol. That whole package makes no sense. Is Batman really Two-Face all along or what? I know I'm just joking around, it's just a rushed package. Or I think it is....

[Sub-Zero]

what i don't get is how anyone from these boards could've seen the movie already? are all these people part of the press, or did they all work on the movie? i say no. some may have but the amount of people that claim they know anything has me saying shenanigans on all of it.

[laudanum09]

I just noticed the little detial on the bottom of the figure. "fire". lol. That whole package makes no sense. Is Batman really Two-Face all along or what? I know I'm just joking around, it's just a rushed package. Or I think it is....

everyone is debating it over at the merch boards. I think this figure is totally legit but the packaging is just half-assed. Some moron just threw it together for press-pics, I highly doubt they would release hundreds of figures for sale for a two-face toy with a batman picture on it. but considering the atrocious debacle that was the mattel movie masters situation, i wouldnt put it past them.

my argument for this is that why would this be a kids line figure if they wouldnt even have a few scars for a ledger figure. i would also be saddened if they left the two-face figure to the kiddie line, but then again they havent done that for the scarecrow. the movie masters is basically the kids line without all of the bazookas and ridiculous getup.

[Spade]

Moriarty from AICN posts here. He's mentioned the ending and confirmed most of the spoilers on the AICN talkback system. He'd have no reason to lie, and there's no disclosure issue that would require him to lie.

[ABleedingCorpse]

what i don't get is how anyone from these boards could've seen the movie already? are all these people part of the press, or did they all work on the movie? i say no. some may have but the amount of people that claim they know anything has me saying shenanigans on all of it.

Umm...I don't think the people on the boards have seen the film. The Press have, and they've ratted out the spoilers and detials in the media...which of course people on the board read. Where it goes from there is up in the air as some people only believe with their own eyes in what will really happen and some accept that reviewers of the film are serious.

I don't claim to know the truth about everything in the film, but there are things I can pull from what I've seen and piece it together myself. It itsn't rocket science.

[ABleedingCorpse]

everyone is debating it over at the merch boards. I think this figure is totally legit but the packaging is just half-assed. Some moron just threw it together for press-pics, I highly doubt they would release hundreds of figures for sale for a two-face toy with a batman picture on it. but considering the atrocious debacle that was the mattel movie masters situation, i wouldnt put it past them.

my argument for this is that why would this be a kids line figure if they wouldnt even have a few scars for a ledger figure. i would also be saddened if they left the two-face figure to the kiddie line, but then again they havent done that for the scarecrow. the movie masters is basically the kids line without all of the bazookas and ridiculous getup.

I've wondered the same thing. They drasticly tone down the Joker figure but this Two-Face figure doesn't seem to be toned down at all. And what's up with the Movie Master stuff anyways? I'll go to the merch board about this.

[xero1186]

I'm hoping Two-Face use that double gun like he had in Face the Face. That would be cool.

[ronny]

The Long Halloween and BTAS both set him up that way. But then in his follow up stories he seems to have somehow lost any kind of morality, no matter how twisted. He's just a straight up villain.

It's all about motives though. I like the idea of us seeing him as a villain simply because he's fighting Batman but coming to understand his motives a little more. In my opinion the nickname "White Knight" sums up Harvey's mindset perfectly. He's a lot like Batman, he wants to take the burden of saving Gotham onto his own shoulders and doesn't want anyone else sharing the glory. It's all about his ego.
But once he becomes disfigured he doesn't lose sight of his goals but rather the means he uses to achieve them. As long as Harvey still wants to cleanse Gotham I can tolerate comic writers pairing him with other freaks. Because the way he sees it is probably that by doing a little evil he'll bring about a greater good.

[omid17]

Moriarty from AICN posts here. He's mentioned the ending and confirmed most of the spoilers on the AICN talkback system. He'd have no reason to lie, and there's no disclosure issue that would require him to lie.
:up:

[CrypticOne]

If Two-Face dies in this film, I honestly hope they don't make anymore Batman films. They should end it with the Joker being caught and going to Arkham, just like in The Killing Joke, bring the Joker down 'by the book' to prove that it can be done. Because to be honest, I wanted Two-Face to headline the third movie. Just him. I know that I'll love this film, TDK, but I just hope they don't kill a character off like Two-Face and go on to make a third film.

[Anubis Raptor]

I wonder if in TDK movie if Two-Face will have a double gun like the animated Two-Face did in BTAS .

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/episodes/almostgotim/51.jpg


http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/twofacegun.jpg

Not the same guns but he still has his gat.

[Gallagher]

If Two-Face dies in this film, I honestly hope they don't make anymore Batman films. They should end it with the Joker being caught and going to Arkham, just like in The Killing Joke, bring the Joker down 'by the book' to prove that it can be done. Because to be honest, I wanted Two-Face to headline the third movie. Just him. I know that I'll love this film, TDK, but I just hope they don't kill a character off like Two-Face and go on to make a third film.

My thoughts exactly. Although It got called 'Fanboy whining' when I said it earlier :whatever:

[selinakyle415]

How i've heard:


Harvey sends Maroni on trial. Before the judgment, A dirt cop (The one of the ''Half dead'' scene) passes Maroni acid and he throws it on Dent's face when the trial begins. Dent goes to hospital, but runs away and get's revenge on those envolved on his scarring.

AND HE WILL NOT DIE!


Just like in TLH.

[SuperBatman]

Oh please it's not like Nolan can't make a good 3rd movie without Two Face or the Joker.

[CrimsonDeath]

If Two-Face dies in this film, I honestly hope they don't make anymore Batman films. They should end it with the Joker being caught and going to Arkham, just like in The Killing Joke, bring the Joker down 'by the book' to prove that it can be done. Because to be honest, I wanted Two-Face to headline the third movie. Just him. I know that I'll love this film, TDK, but I just hope they don't kill a character off like Two-Face and go on to make a third film.


:up:

[CrimsonDeath]

Oh please it's not like Nolan can't make a good 3rd movie without Two Face or the Joker.

It's not that, it's just that Nolan might not even want to come back. This is getting damn good reviews, he might not have a story to top this one. And the fact that they are going to use Two Face the way they are, it only means that's as much story as they could get out of Two Face.

I wouldn't mind Nolan having a story to top the story in TDK though.

[redfirebird2008]

The Riddler would make for one hell of a mind***** movie. Memento, Insomnia, and Prestige are all mind*****s. Imagine the viral marketing with the Riddler. Good Gawd. And imagine the detective work from Batman. There could be no more *****ing from fanboys about Nolan not including detective work because he would absolutely nail this aspect thanks to the Riddler being in the film.

[Joker8906]

in all honesty I love Nolans movies that after this one I'd walk away I mean lightning almost never strikes twice in the same area so After Begins was critically acclaimed and this is gonna be massive I'd go out on the top of my game.


though the riddler if reworked would be sick I mean yea Batman detective work would be sick as hell i could kinda see the riddler as more of a jigsaw like person solve the riddle or die.

[namtaB]

The Riddler would make for one hell of a mind***** movie. Memento, Insomnia, and Prestige are all mind*****s. Imagine the viral marketing with the Riddler. Good Gawd. And imagine the detective work from Batman. There could be no more *****ing from fanboys about Nolan not including detective work because he would absolutely nail this aspect thanks to the Riddler being in the film.

Absolutely agree. Nolan does psychological themes exceptionally well. I find the Joker's criminality visceral whereas the Riddler's criminality cerebral. I think the Riddler would be a perfect fit in a Nolan film.

[redfirebird2008]

Absolutely agree. Nolan does psychological themes exceptionally well. I find the Joker's criminality visceral whereas the Riddler's criminality cerebral. I think the Riddler would be a perfect fit in a Nolan film.

Absolutely. And some of the things with Riddler can be incredibly dangerous for Batman. He's come closer to killing Batman than anyone else in the history of these characters. And it's because of these clever games he plays where Batman falls into some trap that you would never expect.

[SuperBatman]

The Riddler would make for one hell of a mind***** movie. Memento, Insomnia, and Prestige are all mind*****s. Imagine the viral marketing with the Riddler. Good Gawd. And imagine the detective work from Batman. There could be no more *****ing from fanboys about Nolan not including detective work because he would absolutely nail this aspect thanks to the Riddler being in the film.

I 100% agree with this.

The Riddler even though people think he's boring could be great if Nolan revamped him. And like you said it would give Batman a chance to do some Detective work by solving his riddles.

[namtaB]

Absolutely. And some of the things with Riddler can be incredibly dangerous for Batman. He's come closer to killing Batman than anyone else in the history of these characters. And it's because of these clever games he plays where Batman falls into some trap that you would never expect.

In all honesty based on how well Nolan plays with psychology in his films, I think the Riddler would be a much more engaging character and a better fit than the Joker. If he can make the Joker this good imagine what he could do with the Riddler?

[redfirebird2008]

In all honesty based on how well Nolan plays with psychology in his films, I think the Riddler would be a much more engaging character and a better fit than the Joker. If he can make the Joker this good imagine what he could do with the Riddler?

Definitely. The Riddler fits in very well with Nolan's style of filmmaking, which is first and foremost intellectual. The guy has made one film that is one of the biggest mind*****s in history, so much that I've still never fully been able to watch it and understand exactly how the plot comes together. I only know exactly what the hell happens in it because of reading good descriptions on the Internet about it. It's just awesome stuff and a true challenge for the audience.

Now, with this viral marketing they delivered with the Joker in TDK, imagine this on steroids basically. As much fun as we're having with the TDK virals, if they amp it up even more with the Riddler it would be a hell of a ride for the fans.

[stlblues84]

Getting back to two-face dying for a moment, do we know if they show the myhero scene from the virals? Because I get the impression from watching it that it's almost like something you would see after the credits of a movie. And, because I doubt movie critics are not following the virals, they have not seen that particular scene and, therefore, nolan kept it out of the advance screenings and has laid it back in for the final cut that goes to theaters. Does this sound possible?

[TLH]

The Riddler would make for one hell of a mind***** movie. Memento, Insomnia, and Prestige are all mind*****s. Imagine the viral marketing with the Riddler. Good Gawd. And imagine the detective work from Batman. There could be no more *****ing from fanboys about Nolan not including detective work because he would absolutely nail this aspect thanks to the Riddler being in the film.

The Riddler is definitely right up Nolan's alley in terms of writing the character and forming a plot around him (how he'd look is a different story).

Of course, Two-Face is also what I would call a Nolan-like villain with his emotional story arc; he's also very easy to pull off in the context of Nolan's "real world" vision. Whatever Nolan has in store for Two-Face is something we have to trust; if I recall, Nolan said he was setting out to make the best film possible and was not thinking about sequels. If the best film possible includes...Two-Face dying...then so be it. Nolan has never made a bad film. He's one of the few directors in Hollywood who you can thoroughly trust IMO.

[protocida]

I Saw ''Almost got'im'' yesterday:

KILLER CROC: I was hidding on the swears, when Batman showed up! So, I threw a rock on him!

JOKER: ...

TWO-FACE: ...

POISON IVY: ...

PENGUIN: ...

KILLER CROC: It was a BIG rock.

[SuperBatman]

Getting back to two-face dying for a moment, do we know if they show the myhero scene from the virals? Because I get the impression from watching it that it's almost like something you would see after the credits of a movie. And, because I doubt movie critics are not following the virals, they have not seen that particular scene and, therefore, nolan kept it out of the advance screenings and has laid it back in for the final cut that goes to theaters. Does this sound possible?

You are living on blind hope we already heard that scene happens after

The Hospital exploding

[Venom 1988]

Getting back to two-face dying for a moment, do we know if they show the myhero scene from the virals? Because I get the impression from watching it that it's almost like something you would see after the credits of a movie. And, because I doubt movie critics are not following the virals, they have not seen that particular scene and, therefore, nolan kept it out of the advance screenings and has laid it back in for the final cut that goes to theaters. Does this sound possible?

First off your not the first person to think of this. This bar scene takes place much earlier in the film.

Right after the Hospital explodes to be exact

[redfirebird2008]

I Saw ''Almost got'im'' yesterday:

KILLER CROC: I was hidding on the swears, when Batman showed up! So, I threw a rock on him!

JOKER: ...

TWO-FACE: ...

POISON IVY: ...

PENGUIN: ...

KILLER CROC: It was a BIG rock.

http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=gog&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=Waterboy&quote=dontsmokecrack.txt&file=dontsmokecrack.wav

"And that brings me to my next point. DON'T...SMOKE...CRACK." :oldrazz:

[stlblues84]

First off your not the first person to think of this. This bar scene takes place much earlier in the film.

Right after the Hospital explodes to be exact

my bad then...worth a shot...it is edited very oddly though.

[TLH]

my bad then...worth a shot...it is edited very oddly though.

How so? You haven't seen it in the context of the film, so that's a groundless assertion.

[Diablo101]

Oh please it's not like Nolan can't make a good 3rd movie without Two Face or the Joker.

Seriously. People here are stupid if they think that you can't make another Batman film unless it has Two-Face.

The reason why Nolan said killing villains was wrong is because villains rarley die in the comic-book. But he didn't mean that "you don't kill the villain because you need him for the next one." Nolan let Scarecrow live, yet he only has like what, 5 minutes in TDK? Why? Because Scarecrow doesn't fit the theme of TDK. BB was all about fear, and that's why Scarecrow worked well. TDK is nothing about fear, so having a villian like Scarecrow doesn't make any sense.

A theme of TDK is duality, which is why Two-Face here makes sense.

But do you really think that if Nolan made a third film, he would have the theme of duality again? No.

The footage and reviews from TDK have shown that its an entirely different movie than BB. And if Nolan made a third one, it would be completely different from TDK. And despite what you think, if Two-Face was a major villain in the third, the third film would be very simliar to the second.

[redfirebird2008]

Two-Face isn't really a villain in TDK, so technically Nolan is keeping his word even if: he kills him off.

[Diablo101]

Two-Face isn't really a villain in TDK, so technically Nolan is keeping his word even if: he kills him off.

Again, something else some people don't understand. Two-Face isn't a villain but a tragic hero.

And if you are going to get upset that Nolan decided to take a different interpretation of the villain, first watch the movie before you get upset. Last time I checked, Mr. Freeze was a ****ty villain until Batman: TAS decided to reinterpret him and make him awesome.

Reimaging a charecter isn't a bad thing.

[vlkers54]

has anyone else found it strange that no review or anything has made mention of two-face? do we think that they had to sign something that said not to talk about two-face, especially how he looks, acts, etc.?

[redfirebird2008]

Again, something else some people don't understand. Two-Face isn't a villain but a tragic hero.

And if you are going to get upset that Nolan decided to take a different interpretation of the villain, first watch the movie before you get upset. Last time I checked, Mr. Freeze was a ****ty villain until Batman: TAS decided to reinterpret him and make him awesome.

Reimaging a charecter isn't a bad thing.

Totally agree. This is NOT Venom for crying out loud. Harvey Dent is on screen for a crapload of time in TDK and his story arc is the focus of the film. In the end, it all leads back to Batman and how it affects him. The ending sounds like one of the most tragic, epic, and iconic endings in movie history for me from what I have read (and I have read some very detailed spoilers on the ending).

[Venom 1988]

has anyone else found it strange that no review or anything has made mention of two-face? do we think that they had to sign something that said not to talk about two-face, especially how he looks, acts, etc.?

I pretty sure a couple reviews have mentioned Two-Face

[Crook]

From what I've read, they've mentioned Harvey's transformation into Two-Face, but not the character himself. There probably is an embargo on that, considering it's the last 30 or so minutes of the movie.

[CrypticOne]

My thoughts exactly. Although It got called 'Fanboy whining' when I said it earlier :whatever:

Nah, it's not fanboy whining, people saying that are crazy and must not know how big a character like Two-Face is.

Two-Face is, to me, is basically the really dark side of Batman, he'll do anything to have true justice. I mean, you could see the perfect setup in the third film of Batman trying to stop Two-Face from killing all the mobsters in horrible ways. Batman and Two-Face have a connection to stop crime, like the mob. I mean, you could actually see scenes of Batman talking to Two-Face about Rachel and if she wanted it to be like this, the way Two-Face is killing the mobsters and things of that sort.

That is of coarse if Rachel dies in this film.

[DACrowe]

Well I'm avoid reading any spoilers albeit I already accidentally spoiled for myself that

Two-Face dies.

Which while I honestly am looking more forward to Dent than Joker, if story developments are handled well I'll be happy. Fortunately I know nothing else of the ending to TDK and intend to keep it that way.

Anyway, I'm just posting that even if my predictions of how the ending is going to go (a cross between TLH and DV, but substitute Falcone with Joker and Robin with Jim Gordon)....that does not mean the series is going to end here.

If anything I imagine the third one could be in a complete world of the freaks and Gotham is in desperate need of rebuilding. And also like in Dark Victory, Bruce has lost his faith and needs help restoring it. I imagine they could introduce Robin in this way, but only have him appear at the very end and it could mirror how it happened in Dark Victory.

As for villains, well Batman has the best rogue gallery in comicdom. Sorry Spidey, but Batman has the most A-listers of any character. While I am of the opinion Joker, Two-Face and Ra's Al Ghul are his best villains, the top five isn't done. There is still Catwoman and I imagine that there could be warring factions of freaks overrunning where the mob is and this will be Batman's dark violent victory of restoring peace to Gotham City (if only temporarily) and for the first time he can feel he has made a real difference. This would be the perfect ending of the trilogy. As for new villains besides Catwoman, I think Riddler would fit well into Nolan's universe as would Mad Hatter (though I would prefer not to see him), Poison Ivy and/or crime boss Penguin. A combination of two or three of these (with one of them very small, like Scarecrow is supposed to be in TDK or Falcone in BB) will be more than enough villain eye candy for audiences.

[omid17]

Two-Face isn't really a villain in TDK, so technically Nolan is keeping his word even if: he kills him off.:up:

[itsthebatman]

This really is splitting hairs. Two-Face may be portrayed as a tragic character in this film, akin to how he is done in TLH, but he has classically been a villain in the comics. To say that by showing him as a vigilante in this film doesn't make him a villain and therefore means Nolan doesn't break his promise about killing villains off even if Two-Face does die in this film is really tortuous reasoning, worthy of a politician. The real tragedy of Harvey Dent is that he does become a villain after his accident, despite oroginally being such a nice guy.

[regwec]

Dent is a troubled vigilante, Two Face is a villain. If both die, then Nolan is a liar.

[Spidey28]

Two-Face may be portrayed as a vigilante, but that doesn't mean he's not a villain. He's murdering people. He's a criminal. That's the fine line that Batman walks between becoming what he's fighting against. It's interesting the White Knight does become what he's fighting against, yet the Dark Knight is able to maintain the fine line he walks.

Bottom line, Two-Face IS a villain in this film. He's a murderer for crying out loud.

[TLH]

This really is splitting hairs. Two-Face may be portrayed as a tragic character in this film, akin to how he is done in TLH, but he has classically been a villain in the comics. To say that by showing him as a vigilante in this film doesn't make him a villain and therefore means Nolan doesn't break his promise about killing villains off even if Two-Face does die in this film is really tortuous reasoning, worthy of a politician. The real tragedy of Harvey Dent is that he does become a villain after his accident, despite oroginally being such a nice guy.

Two-Face's score on the TDK soundtrack seems to be inspired by a similar stream of thought. Based on the tone of the score alone, I'd say what you've said is the best way we can expect the character to appear on screen.

[bkey]

Did Nolan actually say he would never kill off his villians?

I thought he just said thats something he didn't like about the earlier movies.

[turtlefocker]

Nolan killed Ra's too...

[TLH]

Nolan killed Ra's too...

We can only assume Ra's died. Technically we don't actually know.

[bkey]

Nolan killed Ra's too...

Exactly.

If killing the villian makes the story better, then by all means I don't have a problem. It's when they kill off the villian just for the sake of killing him that I might have a problem with it, and with this I seriously doubt that will be the case.

Plus, by killing Two Face, Nolan may be either not coming back for a third film, or maybe he has an even better story not involving that character at all.

[regwec]

If the death of Dent was as ambiguous as that or Ra's, then no one would be worried. As it is, it seems we see him dead and buried. Different kettle of fish.

[Sub-Zero]

since they're going for realism. i really doubt Ra's is alive. and i'd say the same about you know who...

[regwec]

Loose sentiment that "they" are going for realism does not change the bottom line that, if a director wanted to use Ra's in a future film, he could, without troubling the audience too much. The same could not be said of someone we have seen put into the ground.

[bkey]

Especially if it is not in the same continuity of Nolan's films. Whoever is directing can use whatever villian they want.

[Sub-Zero]

i kinda think if another director takes over its not the same continuity. so anyone is fair game, no matter if we see them buried in the nolan movies.

[itsthebatman]

Dent is a troubled vigilante, Two Face is a villain. If both die, then Nolan is a liar.
Harsh words. It's that he repeats the mistakes of the first franchise, doing something he says he didn't like about those movies. Seems a bit hypocritical anyway.

[magus]

Harsh wrods. It's that he repeats the mistakes of the first franchise, doing something he says he didn't like about those movies. Seems a bit hypocritical anyway.

All we can do and hope it is just Harvey that is dead and that we don't actually see a body . I don't expect a shot of him standing next to Falcone's frozen body (Dark Victory) but the rest of the character arch seems very much in line with The Long Halloween and Dark Victory and I can only hope that it at least leaves the possibility of Two-Face's return open.

[regwec]

Apparently, we see Two Face die, see his body, see Batman and Gordon have a conversation over his body, see his funeral, and that his death effects the finale of the movie..

So, no room for hope. :(

[magus]

Apparently, we see Two Face die, see his body, see Batman and Gordon have a conversation over his body, see his funeral, and that his death effects the finale of the movie..

So, no room for hope. :(

In the realm of fiction, no matter how "realistic" Nolan may be, there is always hope. It would take one hell of an explanation, but there is always hope. I hope...

[itsthebatman]

Apparently, we see Two Face die, see his body, see Batman and Gordon have a conversation over his body, see his funeral, and that his death effects the finale of the movie..

So, no room for hope. :(
You're forgetting the autopsy scene where they crack open his skull, and then shoot shotgun rounds into his body just to see what happens.:oldrazz:

[Joe Kerr]

You're forgetting the autopsy scene where they crack open his skull, and then shoot shotgun rounds into his body just to see what happens.:oldrazz:

:grin: lmfao :grin:

[regwec]

Yeah, it seems like a particularly morbid episode of Itchy and Scratchy.

[regwec]

In the realm of fiction, no matter how "realistic" Nolan may be, there is always hope. It would take one hell of an explanation, but there is always hope. I hope...
The only hope I can see would involve a resurrection of the Daemon's Head, and some nefarious scheme involving Lazarus pits. Or the occult. But either would require a change of tac for the movies, and no doubt a different director.

[Clark Kent]

So I guess that's who the big funeral scenes were being shot for then, :(.

[magus]

The only hope I can see would involve a resurrection of the Daemon's Head, and some nefarious scheme involving Lazarus pits. Or the occult. But either would require a change of tac for the movies, and no doubt a different director.

I agree. I'm just trying to be optimistic. :csad:

[kooldude88]

come on guys cheer up, regard less, the movie is gettin stellar reviews so regardless, im just happy that goin into this thing, i no its gonna be a damn good movie no matter how the movie ends

[magus]

come on guys cheer up, regard less, the movie is gettin stellar reviews so regardless, im just happy that goin into this thing, i no its gonna be a damn good movie no matter how the movie ends

I agree with that too, but it is still disappointing to know that within this franchise we probably will not get to see the rogue gallery serialized in a way that it resembles the comics. That is quite a bit to ask for in an expensive film franchise but it would be fantastic to see the world grow into a continuity rather than just a slew of sequels, no matter how good they are. Regardless, I am sure I will love this film and won't find the director's choices completely unjustified.

[regwec]

How would we all feel if Batman died in this film, and was replaced by Nightwing? It might make for extremely poignant drama and an epic sweep of narrative, but we would be a little bit annoyed, no?

[Diablo101]

How would we all feel if Batman died in this film, and was replaced by Nightwing? It might make for extremely poignant drama and an epic sweep of narrative, but we would be a little bit annoyed, no?

Actually, I've been waiting for that to happen for the longest of times.

I would totally love to see Nightwing take control. Bring something fresh and new to the mythos.

I guess I'm part of the few who likes to see comic-book films try to EXPAND the mythos, not just recreate the mythos on screen.

[regwec]

It wouldn't be "expansion" if the central pillar were kicked away in favour of a supporting beam. That would just be "alteration". But thanks for your view- it's interesting that, for a lot of posters, the movies are "senior" to other Batman media.

[Diablo101]

It wouldn't be "expansion" if the central pillar were kicked away in favour of a supporting beam. That would just be "alteration". But thanks for your view- it's interesting that, for a lot of posters, the movies are "senior" to other Batman media.

It's not senior nor did I even imply that it is. It's on the same level. Get that through your close-minded head.

TV, animation, movie, comic-books....different medium, same level. No one medium is greater than the other.

If you want to be close-minded, fine. You're the loser that is going to be dissapoitned and upset while the rest of us are going to enjoy what is going to be a great addition to the Batman mythos.

[regwec]

Where was I being close minded? I interpreted a vague statement in a reasonably neutral fashion. And why would I be "disappointed" or "upset" about watching a movie? The movies are secondary, to me.

there's no need to be defensive or shrill, you know. :)

[namtaB]

It wouldn't be "expansion" if the central pillar were kicked away in favour of a supporting beam. That would just be "alteration". But thanks for your view- it's interesting that, for a lot of posters, the movies are "senior" to other Batman media.

It's not senior nor did I even imply that it is. It's on the same level. Get that through your close-minded head.

TV, animation, movie, comic-books....different medium, same level. No one medium is greater than the other.

If you want to be close-minded, fine. You're the loser that is going to be dissapoitned and upset while the rest of us are going to enjoy what is going to be a great addition to the Batman mythos.

Where was I being close minded? I interpreted a vague statement in a reasonably neutral fashion. And why would I be "disappointed" or "upset" about watching a movie? The movies are secondary, to me.

there's no need to be defensive or shrill, you know. :)

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[Diablo101]

there's no need to be defensive or shrill, you know. :)

You replying to my statement is defensive. So unless you feel there is a need to be a hypocrite...oh, you do.

[Joe Kerr]

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LMFAO


:lmao:

[Implodingsoul]

Apparently, we see Two Face die, see his body, see Batman and Gordon have a conversation over his body, see his funeral, and that his death effects the finale of the movie..

So, no room for hope. :(

I usually just lurk the hell out of this forum but I'll put my 2 cents in here since I find this pretty interesting.
What if Two Face isn't the one who is buried? Or if it's an open casket or something and Bruce notices something different about the body?
Or if the coffin is really empty or something like that at the very end?
I have seen a number of Nolan's movies and it could very well be what happends as his movies just aren't overly simple.
At least it's a possibilty that everyone just thinks Two Face is dead at the end of the movie....

[kooldude88]

I usually just lurk the hell out of this forum but I'll put my 2 cents in here since I find this pretty interesting.
What if Two Face isn't the one who is buried? Or if it's an open casket or something and Bruce notices something different about the body?
Or if the coffin is really empty or something like that at the very end?
I have seen a number of Nolan's movies and it could very well be what happends as his movies just aren't overly simple.
At least it's a possibilty that everyone just thinks Two Face is dead at the end of the movie....

that sounds like a good idea, but ive been reading here for a while, and ppl are saying that that you see his body, and he is just dead

but theres always that possibility my batfriend

[BatoutofHell]

I don't think so. I really think Nolan isn't going to use such a tired device. When it happens, it really happens. People keep saying it is The DARK Knight for a reason. No Spider Man ******** here.

[Sub-Zero]

since he dies in the movie he proves that "you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
very poignant.

[Tel Aviv]

I wouldn't worry. Really, the most compelling aspect of Two-Face is his character arc and, by the sounds of it, that's what we're getting, a fully developed character. And if Nolan favors Two-Face as Long Halloween style vigilante, as opposed to his later mobsterism, I'm cool with that. It has the most dramatic potential.

[Dcknight]

I think the point here as many of you has stated, is that Harvey doesn't become a villain only a vigilante with more agressive and vengeful kind of saving the city (for him) and we all know that he kill.
But the point is that Nolan don't want to make a movie with ''villain'' the vilain are person who have a vision and want to show it, and in reality a guy like two face wouldn't stand long to create chao, he was only a district attorney not a mob guy or super villain. So the explanation of his ''end'' is quite good.
I don't if you're seeing my point guys, it is a little bit complicated in there :P

[Clark Kent]

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:funny::funny::funny:, can I use that? Please?

You replying to my statement is defensive.

How is replying to someone's statement automatically defensive?

the most compelling aspect of Two-Face is his character arc and, by the sounds of it, that's what we're getting, a fully developed character. And if Nolan favors Two-Face as Long Halloween style vigilante, as opposed to his later mobsterism, I'm cool with that. It has the most dramatic potential.

I agree,

I just don't wanna see him die at the end though. He didn't die at the end of The Long Halloween.

[magus]

I just don't wanna see him die at the end though. He didn't die at the end of The Long Halloween.

Well he did in Dark Victory...for about 3 pages...and in a manner similar to the movie apparently.

[samsnee]

the most compelling aspect of Two-Face is his character arc and, by the sounds of it, that's what we're getting, a fully developed character. And if Nolan favors Two-Face as Long Halloween style vigilante, as opposed to his later mobsterism, I'm cool with that. It has the most dramatic potential.

I agree, but another interesting aspect is

Batman/Bruce Wayne trying to rehabilitate his friend, and not just throwing him in Arkham. I recall B:TAS touching on this a bit in the first few Two-Face appearances. It would have been cool to see Bruce visiting Harvey and trying to help him find his identity again in the sequel. Something it sounds like we won't get now.

[Etienne]

I agree, but another interesting aspect is

Batman/Bruce Wayne trying to rehabilitate his friend, and not just throwing him in Arkham. I recall B:TAS touching on this a bit in the first few Two-Face appearances. It would have been cool to see Bruce visiting Harvey and trying to help him find his identity again in the sequel. Something it sounds like we won't get now.
That would have been excellent! Now it sounds like we will get something similar to Venom in SM3. :csad:

[raxor]

Ha Ha.. its seems like we guys here are coming up with our own movie... we should start a thread gicing ideas for a 3rd batman film... maybe nolan might take a few pointers from there...

[BatoutofHell]

Ha Ha.. its seems like we guys here are coming up with our own movie... we should start a thread gicing ideas for a 3rd batman film... maybe nolan might take a few pointers from there...

Ugh, I hope not. Fan boy ideas are never any good.

And hes not getting the Venom treatment. Harvey is the story in this film.

[raxor]

Ugh, I hope not. Fan boy ideas are never any good.

And hes not getting the Venom treatment. Harvey is the story in this film.

Lol yeah.. ive already seen some ideas here and they are pretty ridiculous.. harvey and the lazarus pitt.. lol.. you guys should've learned by now what's running in nolan's mind..

[nickyg641]

I really just don't want to believe that...you know. It just seems to go against all that the introduction of Two-Face represents--the final straw which transfers power to the freaks of Gotham. When it's just Scarecrow and Joker running around, it's not much of a rogues gallery, is it?

[Vile]

Scarecrow ushered in the 'freaks'.

It's the Joker who solidifies their power in Gotham ("this is MY town now").

Harvey's rise and fall is caught between the two.

As for rogues gallery, there is still plenty of time for that.

[nickyg641]

Scarecrow ushered in the 'freaks'.

It's the Joker who solidifies their power in Gotham ("this is MY town now").

Harvey's rise and fall is caught between the two.

As for rogues gallery, there is still plenty of time for that.
But Two-Face is a staple of the Batman universe--he's basically the #2 baddie, behind the Joker. I just don't see how they could kill him off in 30 minutes, when there's such potential in a sequel.

[raxor]

But Two-Face is a staple of the Batman universe--he's basically the #2 baddie, behind the Joker. I just don't see how they could kill him off in 30 minutes, when there's such potential in a sequel.


We still aren't sure that he's going to die... so don't lose hope..

[ronny]

I could kinda see the riddler as more of a jigsaw like person solve the riddle or die.

But if you make The Riddler a straight up killer I feel that you take away the power of his character, namely that he is a loser. A man with such bloated self importance that he's a joke to almost every section of Gotham's underworld. He constantly looks to rise up the ranks but doesn't have the stomach to pul off the big crimes.
Whereas The Joker crippled the daughter of a police commisioner and Two-Face assassinated Carmine Falcone The Riddler couldn't do any of these things without serious thought.
You may say that his ineffectiveness is a weak point but I feel that someone so pathetic, when cornered, can become very dangerous. But we mustn't delude ourselves that he can be as cold blooded as The Joker or Dent. Because that's just not in his character.

[raxor]

The riddler would make a great supporting character.. He wouldn't fit in the movie as the main baddie...

[regwec]

You replying to my statement is defensive. So unless you feel there is a need to be a hypocrite...oh, you do.
No, it was corrective, and it isn't clear that you know what "hypocrite" means. :cwink:

[The Guard]

If killing the villian makes the story better, then by all means I don't have a problem. It's when they kill off the villian just for the sake of killing him that I might have a problem with it, and with this I seriously doubt that will be the case.

That's just it, though. How does killing the villain that should have an ongoing affect on Batman and his life make the story better?

[TLH]

But Two-Face is a staple of the Batman universe--he's basically the #2 baddie, behind the Joker. I just don't see how they could kill him off in 30 minutes, when there's such potential in a sequel.

First off, we have don't actually know the circumstances of Two-Face's death so until we see it, we can't tell if its clear-cut or ambiguous.

Also, Nolan has said many times that with TDK all he cared about was making the best film possible. If that involves Two Face dying then so be it. I trust Nolan. He is one of the few Hollywood directors who has never made a bad film and is completely trustworthy IMO.

[protocida]

Are you really comparing Two-Face to Venom in ''Spider-Man 3''?

Sometimes, i fell like losting faith in humanity...

[Reflectionist]

I just had an interesting theory about Dent, Maroni, and motives... it's probably not correct at all, in fact, I don't think it is, but it's interesting nonetheless.

The Joker takes over the mob--we know this. Now, with all of that political stuff that's going on between Joker, the Mob, Sal Maroni, Corrupt Cops, and Harvey Dent, it's probably safe to say that the mob is looking for whatever dirt on H.D. they can find. The Joker, however, being an anarchist, just wants to kill him and get it over with.

Now, suppose that the Mob finds something that puts a little stain in the White Knight's armor. It kind of breaks this savior picture the people have of him. Maybe it paints him an outright hypocrite. Or, it doesn't even really have to do with that--it just may be his association with Batman in private, and his public outspoken 'tude against him. In either case, Harvey Dent appears to be a two faced hypocrite.

Now, for the Mob, for Maroni, to just kill Dent would be compassionate, in comparison to this new info about him that tarnishes his record. So perhaps they set up the big scarring thing, where they set him down, half of his face first in some gasoline, pushes him against it, and lights it on fire...creating the Two-Face.

Then, it becomes a Scarlet Letter, basically. Then, not only does it set up some more interesting situations regarding Dent, but it also leads quite logically to his becoming a vigilante. That, of course, puts Batman into another rough dichotomy, or perhaps deeper into his current one, regarding his presence vs. his effect.

What do you guys think?

[turtlefocker]

I haven't paid to see a film since 2001

Will you be paying to see TDK?

[Papa Burgundy]

Are you really comparing Two-Face to Venom in ''Spider-Man 3''?

Sometimes, i fell like losting faith in humanity...

well im going to compare robin in nolans batman to venom is spidey 3. thats why im glad he wont do it. he doesnt like or understand the character. we cant force him to put robin in if he doesnt understand him. look what happened to spidey 3. biggest dissapointment of my life. ever. it started off good, but went to complete crap in the second half.

[Vile]

Will you be paying to see TDK?


Probably not. =)

[turtlefocker]

Probably not. =)

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[Vile]

Sorry to disappoint. =)

[David Rice]

Ugh, I hope not. Fan boy ideas are never any good.

And hes not getting the Venom treatment. Harvey is the story in this film.

Not true, most are crap, but a few I've read are really good.

And yes, he is not getting the Venom treatment so stop saying that people!!! :cmad:

[Rikxiepoo]

Sorry to disappoint. =)
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[itsthebatman]

That's just it, though. How does killing the villain that should have an ongoing affect on Batman and his life make the story better?
Until we see the film, we don't know the effect for certain. My guess is though that Batman feels allowing Harvey to take the blame for his murders would tarnish Harvey's legacy, given how much he is loved by the citizens of Gotham, and he is prepared to shoulder the burden. Clearly this implies a sacrifice on Batman's part that carries more weight than if Harvey were alive and there were some hope of Batman being exonerated at some stage. Isn't that heroic?

[David Rice]

Probably not. =)

I won't broadcast that. :cwink:

[Vile]

I won't broadcast that. :cwink:


Indeed. 'The Man' might be watching.

[David Rice]

Indeed. 'The Man' might be watching.

Yes, he is. But I can't say I blame you. Alot of what comes out of Hollywood is crap, luckly this won't be the case with TDK! :cwink:

[turtlefocker]

Vile I suggest you go to a theater ands pay the measly 7-10 dollars to see TDK.

k?

[David Rice]

Vile I suggest you go to a theater ands pay the measly 7-10 dollars to see TDK.

k?


LOL! :woot:

[Vile]

Yes, he is. But I can't say I blame you. Alot of what comes out of Hollywood is crap, luckly this won't be the case with TDK! :cwink:

Very true! TDK will be awesome! No doubt!


Vile I suggest you go to a theater ands pay the measly 7-10 dollars to see TDK.

k?


Well I certainly dont want you to lose sleep over this - very well, I'll do just that. Infact I will pay for 13 showings to make up for missed time. Honestly. I will. I'm sorry to upset.


:woot:

[Etienne]

Are you really comparing Two-Face to Venom in ''Spider-Man 3''?

Sometimes, i fell like losting faith in humanity...

Not true, most are crap, but a few I've read are really good.

And yes, he is not getting the Venom treatment so stop saying that people!!! :cmad:

Went too far didn't I? I'm ashamed I said it.....:o :csad:

[Sub-Zero]

it looks like it'll be more like the entire movie is about harvey dent's rise and fall in gotham. that in no way is anything like venom in spidey3. this has the makings of being the greatest comic book based movie ever, that was never said of spidey3.

i've kinda accepted the fact that if two-face dies, it won't be in vain. it won't be for nothing. two-face is my favorite bat-villain. best/most realistic origin: guy on top of the world doing so much good, but winds up becoming everything he fought so hard to prevent. i have faith that it won't be the sh**fest that venom was in that other movie.

[regwec]

sub-zero, that was the weakest spoiler-prevention I have yet seen. ;)

[Sub-Zero]

sub-zero, that was the weakest spoiler-prevention I have yet seen. ;)

haha. i suck at subtlety. fixed it. kinda...

[DACrowe]

That's just it, though. How does killing the villain that should have an ongoing affect on Batman and his life make the story better?

Well Harvey Dent is actually probably my favorite character of Batman's rogue gallery. Joker is my favorite villain (like most) and is by far the most entertaining. But the one I really like seeing explored and to get in the psyche of is Two-Face. Joker is better as an enigma, a mystery. Harvey Dent's tragedy is we know who he is and where he came from to end up at such a low and dispcable point. Also, it shows Batman as a far different hero than most. While most would not give up on their friend, no matter how far he fell (Superman wouldn't, Spidey didn't when Harry went crazy or everytime Conners turned into the Lizard) in the comics Batman literally turns his back on his friend by the end of Dark Victory and considers all the good Harvey Dent did absolved and looks at him not as a fallen friend...but as a villain to deal with and nothing more. That is a striking relationship that adds some poignancy and tragedy to Batman's character as well.

So I am all for some Two-Face action. However, if they do this right, I'll be contented. I personally would like it to follow the unofficial Bat-origins trilogy (BB=Year One, TDK=Long Halloween and Batman 3 would=Dark Victory). But if Nolan has other plans I am fine with that. I love an auteur who is faithful to the source but is unafraid to stray from the details to create something new or in their unique vision.

As long as the rise and fall of Harvey Dent is well displayed and we get some good Two-Face action (I want to see a confrontation between him and Batman similar to the one they had in TLH over Falcone). I don't know how he dies as I refused to read the spoilers and only found out he kicks it on accident. But I always thought Two-Face was most interesting as a mirky shadow/reflection of Batman.

Here was the member of the justice trio of Bats, Gordon and Dent. Dent was closer to Batman's philosophy on getting things done than Gordon's by-the-book approach. He even helped Batman do illegal things to weaken the mafia's hold on Gotham. But he is a vain and ambitious man (his two flaws). These are both directly attacked when his life, marriage are ruined by the scarring of his face. He is pushed over the edge and does what Batman will not--he kills the bad guys so they don't come back. He is out for blood. He is still after the same ends as Batman but they are now enemies because Two-Face is a killer. Substitute a marriage to Rachel Dawes (who I think is pretty obviously going to get killed off by the Joker, but I'm just guessing) and you have a real tragic figure of a man pushed too far.

And that was the most interesting thing about Two-Face. He just took it further and further in Dark Victory to the point that Batman didn't even recognize Dent in the villain anymore. And then he is "killed" by the Joker (I don't know if that is how it happens in the movie, but I hope it is something more cinematic). In some ways I wish in the new continuity that Two-Face stayed dead after Joker shot him off the cliff. Simply put, he was better as this tragic shadow of Batman than a mobster. The brilliant reinvention of Dent by Loeb/Sale never felt right to me when he becomes a villain in later years. This Harvey Dent (who is going to be the main inspiration for TDK's incarnation of him I bet) becoming a mobster. The things he felt stole his life from him and ruined his city...the things he wanted to destroy no matter if he worked with the freaks or not...never made a whole lot of sense.

So, if they kill him at the climax of his bloody retribution, I am fine with that. I would have rather it gone further and got more nasty between him and Batman in a third movie like it did in Dark Victory. But if Nolan wants to tell it all in one movie with new ideas for a third, I'm fine with that.

P.S. Don't tell me the circumstances of his death, I want to at least be surprised by that. :p

[DACrowe]

it looks like it'll be more like the entire movie is about harvey dent's rise and fall in gotham. that in no way is anything like venom in spidey3. this has the makings of being the greatest comic book based movie ever, that was never said of spidey3.

i've kinda accepted the fact that if two-face dies, it won't be in vain. it won't be for nothing. two-face is my favorite bat-villain. best/most realistic origin: guy on top of the world doing so much good, but winds up becoming everything he fought so hard to prevent. i have faith that it won't be the sh**fest that venom was in that other movie.

Actually one year ago (well a little more now ;) ) the hype was flooded with people proclaiming SM3 a masterpiece and the best comic book movie ever. Why? It had some epic trailers and they thought it was going to all be about Venom. Sucks for them, eh? ;)

I never thought Venom was going to be a major player in SM3 as the black suit was the focus of trailers not Venom and there was no way to do him in one movie effectively. I thought that ever since fanboys were crying for him to be in SM1. I had thought SM3 would be better than it was, b ut I still enjoyed the movie for what it was and not what Venom fans wanted it to be.

But you are right there is a clear difference. Nolan has intentionally crafted Dent to be as much of a major player in the story as Joker. While Two-Face may only show up for the third act of the movie, the movie was built to let this happen gradually and hopefully successfully. Venom was shoe-horned in at the last minute by producers and the movie was never about him and it shows. There are essientially two movies in SM3 going on. I'm hoping for only one complete masterpiece in TDK.

[Sub-Zero]

Actually one year ago (well a little more now ;) ) the hype was flooded with people proclaiming SM3 a masterpiece and the best comic book movie ever. Why? It had some epic trailers and they thought it was going to all be about Venom. Sucks for them, eh? ;)

I never thought Venom was going to be a major player in SM3 as the black suit was the focus of trailers not Venom and there was no way to do him in one movie effectively. I thought that ever since fanboys were crying for him to be in SM1. I had thought SM3 would be better than it was, b ut I still enjoyed the movie for what it was and not what Venom fans wanted it to be.

But you are right there is a clear difference. Nolan has intentionally crafted Dent to be as much of a major player in the story as Joker. While Two-Face may only show up for the third act of the movie, the movie was built to let this happen gradually and hopefully successfully. Venom was shoe-horned in at the last minute by producers and the movie was never about him and it shows. There are essientially two movies in SM3 going on. I'm hoping for only one complete masterpiece in TDK.

with all the reviews and good word of mouth even before the movie has released makes me think it will be.

[The Guard]

Isn't that heroic?

To a point, but there doesn't have to be the death for that angle to exist.

[David Rice]

Very true! TDK will be awesome! No doubt!


Well I certainly dont want you to lose sleep over this - very well, I'll do just that. Infact I will pay for 13 showings to make up for missed time. Honestly. I will. I'm sorry to upset.


:woot:

LOL!

Went too far didn't I? I'm ashamed I said it.....:o :csad:

Yes, yes you did. Hang your head in shame sir!!!!

[TLH]

Harvey Dent/Two-Face is one of the greatest characters/villains in all of Batman Lore. Nolan is going to own the hell out him. He is going to rock our socks.

That is all.

[rzatherazor]

Gooooooood points, makes me really think about how great the Two-Face character will be.

[David Rice]

Well Harvey Dent is actually probably my favorite character of Batman's rogue gallery. Joker is my favorite villain (like most) and is by far the most entertaining. But the one I really like seeing explored and to get in the psyche of is Two-Face. Joker is better as an enigma, a mystery. Harvey Dent's tragedy is we know who he is and where he came from to end up at such a low and dispcable point. Also, it shows Batman as a far different hero than most. While most would not give up on their friend, no matter how far he fell (Superman wouldn't, Spidey didn't when Harry went crazy or everytime Conners turned into the Lizard) in the comics Batman literally turns his back on his friend by the end of Dark Victory and considers all the good Harvey Dent did absolved and looks at him not as a fallen friend...but as a villain to deal with and nothing more. That is a striking relationship that adds some poignancy and tragedy to Batman's character as well.

So I am all for some Two-Face action. However, if they do this right, I'll be contented. I personally would like it to follow the unofficial Bat-origins trilogy (BB=Year One, TDK=Long Halloween and Batman 3 would=Dark Victory). But if Nolan has other plans I am fine with that. I love an auteur who is faithful to the source but is unafraid to stray from the details to create something new or in their unique vision.

As long as the rise and fall of Harvey Dent is well displayed and we get some good Two-Face action (I want to see a confrontation between him and Batman similar to the one they had in TLH over Falcone). I don't know how he dies as I refused to read the spoilers and only found out he kicks it on accident. But I always thought Two-Face was most interesting as a mirky shadow/reflection of Batman.

Here was the member of the justice trio of Bats, Gordon and Dent. Dent was closer to Batman's philosophy on getting things done than Gordon's by-the-book approach. He even helped Batman do illegal things to weaken the mafia's hold on Gotham. But he is a vain and ambitious man (his two flaws). These are both directly attacked when his life, marriage are ruined by the scarring of his face. He is pushed over the edge and does what Batman will not--he kills the bad guys so they don't come back. He is out for blood. He is still after the same ends as Batman but they are now enemies because Two-Face is a killer. Substitute a marriage to Rachel Dawes (who I think is pretty obviously going to get killed off by the Joker, but I'm just guessing) and you have a real tragic figure of a man pushed too far.

And that was the most interesting thing about Two-Face. He just took it further and further in Dark Victory to the point that Batman didn't even recognize Dent in the villain anymore. And then he is "killed" by the Joker (I don't know if that is how it happens in the movie, but I hope it is something more cinematic). In some ways I wish in the new continuity that Two-Face stayed dead after Joker shot him off the cliff. Simply put, he was better as this tragic shadow of Batman than a mobster. The brilliant reinvention of Dent by Loeb/Sale never felt right to me when he becomes a villain in later years. This Harvey Dent (who is going to be the main inspiration for TDK's incarnation of him I bet) becoming a mobster. The things he felt stole his life from him and ruined his city...the things he wanted to destroy no matter if he worked with the freaks or not...never made a whole lot of sense.

So, if they kill him at the climax of his bloody retribution, I am fine with that. I would have rather it gone further and got more nasty between him and Batman in a third movie like it did in Dark Victory. But if Nolan wants to tell it all in one movie with new ideas for a third, I'm fine with that.

P.S. Don't tell me the circumstances of his death, I want to at least be surprised by that. :p

I don't think he was really killed.

[magus]

I don't think he was really killed.

That's why he said "killed". The quotes allude to the fact that we were allowed to think he was dead for 3-5 pages.

[DACrowe]

I don't think he was really killed.

No, he isn't. But for the moment Batman and Jim Gordon believes he is. We Two-Face alive a few pages later and implying he is about to begin his conquest as a mobster. I was saying I kind of wish they left him dead when he fell into that abyss, because how Loeb reinvented the character (and how Nolan is using him) is far more interesting and logical as a vigilante who hates the mob and doesn't care what he has to do to destroy it (murder, work with freaks like the Joker who he used to help put away, etc.) than as a run of the mill supervillain and mobster, which is how he is usually depicted. In the new background created for him it made little sense and I see Nolan scrapping that aspect. Albeit he could have expanded the villain/vigilante aspect by keeping him around for the third. However, I'll wait to see the final film before I judge.

I don't like how people are already convinced that the character will either be brilliantly/perfectly done or done in an insulting/failed way without having even seen the movie. Wait until you see it, then judge.

[David Rice]

No, he isn't. But for the moment Batman and Jim Gordon believes he is. We Two-Face alive a few pages later and implying he is about to begin his conquest as a mobster. I was saying I kind of wish they left him dead when he fell into that abyss, because how Loeb reinvented the character (and how Nolan is using him) is far more interesting and logical as a vigilante who hates the mob and doesn't care what he has to do to destroy it (murder, work with freaks like the Joker who he used to help put away, etc.) than as a run of the mill supervillain and mobster, which is how he is usually depicted. In the new background created for him it made little sense and I see Nolan scrapping that aspect. Albeit he could have expanded the villain/vigilante aspect by keeping him around for the third. However, I'll wait to see the final film before I judge.

I don't like how people are already convinced that the character will either be brilliantly/perfectly done or done in an insulting/failed way without having even seen the movie. Wait until you see it, then judge.

Gotach!

Yeah, I don't like that either.

[warren_sparta27]

Possible spoilers regarding Dent/ Two-Face: you probably already anyway

If what i'm hearing about Dent is true i'm not going to be too pleased.
I respect Nolan, and loved Batman Begins, It is my favorite movie, evah!
But seriously i've waited for too long to finally get my fav comic book villian on screen (BF doesn't count, it was The Joker dressed liked Two-Face) to have this happen.
I hope that it is just some wanker with nothing better to do than make up **** rumours, because i don't want to see that happen to Dent so soon, as i thought they would of used him much more in a future film.
WTF?! :(

[theShape]

Very true! TDK will be awesome! No doubt!





Well I certainly dont want you to lose sleep over this - very well, I'll do just that. Infact I will pay for 13 showings to make up for missed time. Honestly. I will. I'm sorry to upset.


:woot:

Haven't paid to see a film since 2001? Congratualtions. You are a certified dirtbag. :up:

[Anubis Raptor]

Possible spoilers regarding Dent/ Two-Face: you probably already anyway

If what i'm hearing about Dent is true i'm not going to be too pleased.
I respect Nolan, and loved Batman Begins, It is my favorite movie, evah!
But seriously i've waited for too long to finally get my fav comic book villian on screen (BF doesn't count, it was The Joker dressed liked Two-Face) to have this happen.
I hope that it is just some wanker with nothing better to do than make up **** rumours, because i don't want to see that happen to Dent so soon, as i thought they would of used him much more in a future film.
WTF?! :(

Nice.

[Rezzo]

Two-Face looks absolutely gruesome. :wow::wow::wow:

[Rocker22]

I agree.

[TheBatman072]

As he absolutely should be.


Acid isn't Fabreeze.

[Anubis Raptor]

Two-Face looks absolutely gruesome. :wow::wow::wow:


But in a cool way:woot:

[Rezzo]

His look has absolutely exceeded my expectations. :up:

[Yurka]

I dont like the way he looks in one of the pics, but other than that, he looks amazing.

[Gallagher]

What, is there a new pic or are we still talking about the 'concept art' one?

[Rezzo]

But in a cool way:woot:

Most definitely. :up:

I dont like the way he looks in one of the pics, but other than that, he looks amazing.

Probably looks better in motion.

What, is there a new pic or are we still talking about the 'concept art' one?

Someone took some pics of the real deal while watching the movie.

[Gallagher]

Someone took some pics of the real deal while watching the movie.

I see and I guess it's forbidden to post them here... Great.

[Rezzo]

I see and I guess it's forbidden to post them here... Great.

Will probably get you banned now.

[strikezone89]

two face looks fantastic

[Anubis Raptor]

That face is gonna look awesome on the IMAX screen ! Just think...

[laudanum09]

is it very different from the concept art?

[TLH]

A bit.

[Rezzo]

is it very different from the concept art?

The concept art is pretty much spot on so if you've seen the concept art then you pretty much know how he's going to look.

[nathan andrew]

am I missing something, was his actual face shown? Not just the leaked concept pic

[Rezzo]

am I missing something, was his actual face shown? Not just the leaked concept pic

Yep, his actual face has been shown in a serious of pics taken inside a theater.

[Gallagher]

Seen them.

Straight out of TLH, there is a difference between the concept and the real thing. The real one is much meatier, more raw. The colour it seems is different too, its more red-y, maroon sort of colour.

[Yurka]

After seeing those I wonder how much was actual make up?
I hope we get some pics of Eckhart behind the scenes with his makeup on.

[laudanum09]

Seen them.

Straight out of TLH, there is a difference between the concept and the real thing. The real one is much meatier, more raw. The colour it seems is different too, its more red-y, maroon sort of colour.

ahh I'm very excited about that...TLH is my favorite portrayal, I just ordered a TLH two-face figure.

im not going to try and look for the pics anymore, im already on overload for excitement...im seeing it thursday at midnight which means a little over a week away....

ps anymore descriptions based off the pics? eye, nose, mouth descriptions would be appreciated.

[TheBatman072]

After seeing those I wonder how much was actual make up?
I hope we get some pics of Eckhart behind the scenes with his makeup on.


Most of it. Only CG touch ups.

[Antinicolae]

I don't see any announcement forbidding posting or sharing of the pics yet, so I'm gonna go along with the crowd and ask for someone to pm the pics to me or tell where to find them. Google isn't being much help and if there's a ban coming my way, I only log into my account every couple months anyway.

[bkey]

Oh wow, that is awesome. Two Face looks great. Nothing like the action figure though haha.

[leotardo111]

First off, this movie struck me from the first trailer I saw from it (First Dull Length One From Late December). When The Joker first popped up on the screen, I was instantly addicted to this film. I have never been so hyped up for a movie release in all my life. After Wrestling Season I had a little bit of time on my hands so I started to research this film, constantly looking into new trailers and spoilers. I was really intrested in this film, mainly from Ledger's phonomenally dark interpretation of the Joker role. But, when the next trailer came out showcasing Harvey Dent, my focuss changed.

First off, Let's not kid ourselves. This is the definative comic book hero movie to end all comic book hero movies. America is waiting for this climatic crime saga to unfold.

Spoilers have told us that Dent will be given the majority of the movie to shine, as Two-Face will appear near the end of the movie. They also tell us that the Joker will be incarcerated at the end of the film. We all know what they tell us abotu Two-Face. I ask some people on this site: Would this climatic showdown of a film fulfill expectations if both villaffins were set to live until the next film? Surely Not. Many people want Two-Face to live till the next film. If we all know that the Joker is heading to the can, then Two-Face can be the only villain to die. And honestly, if Two-Face lives, The Dark Knight will only be seen as a build up to the next film, not a showdown of a crime saga masterpiece. Don't get me wrong, it would still be a great film, but plotwise, it would be doing a girl, only to be stopped 2/3 the way through.

The way Nolan is portraying Two-Face is awesome. Harvey Dent is seemingly the only real good guy in Gotham, besides the Batman. He seems like a new ally for Batman. He is the "White Knight" of the city, but when pushed far enough (Rachel's Death) only to be forced to use the evil methods that his enemies use to take them down.

it might just be me, but I find the whole "good turned to bad ways" angle very much like life. We try to be the good people, who don't revert to bad ways and keep trying to fight our battles clean. Then, something happens that profoundley effects you (Mite it be a woman turning you down, losing a wrestling match), then you realize, you have to fight fire with fire and do things "dirty" or the way your enemies do things to fight ur battles, (whether it be getting women, winning in sports, etc). This also might backfire and turn your friends, women, and the people you love against you.

This movie is going to rock.

[nathan andrew]

ooogg, that's creepy.

[Yurka]

Most of it. Only CG touch ups.
Theres no way the eye or the cheek part are real, but other than that I bet its makeup.

[kyuubijavi1]

Damn Two Face looks SICK o:

[Spoonman]

I liked the look, it isn't as charred as that on the concept art, this one looks like it could've been the result of an acid assault. Also, anyone noticed that the uneven forhead that we saw on the action figure picture is not in the final look? this is something the final look has in common with the concept look.

Like someone said, check the IMDB boards if you guys want to see the look...

[Sam18]

Joker has a Dent campaign sticker on his chest. What a *****.

[DAMU RYDER]

two-face imo looks corny in the pics, but ill wait till the movie comes out to make a full judgement.

[bonesawmcgraw]

two-face imo looks corny in the pics, but ill wait till the movie comes out to make a full judgement.

wtf?

[samsnee]

Don't judge the pics on a grainy camera phone pic. See it clearly on a full screen as it is meant to be seen, then judge.

[Mar420x]

:wow::wow:

TWO-FACE LOOKS TIGHT.. cant wait! these pics are incredible.. especially JOKER in his nurse outfit.. CANT believe someone was able 2 get take pictures in the theater.. :woot:

[bonesawmcgraw]

props to the dude who took the pics. But unfortunately WB is going to go medieval on his ass.

[DAMU RYDER]

wtf?

yea, he do but that is just based on that crappy camera.

[David Rice]

Two-Face looks absolutely gruesome. :wow::wow::wow:

Where are you seeing him?

[Bond]

Two-Face looks absolutely perfect IMO.

[darkseid26]

true dat.

[David Rice]

All I can say is... WOW!

[Anubis Raptor]

Movie history of Harvey Dent:

http://xigre.com/datatxt/media/2/20070617-Billy%20Dee%20Williams%20as%20GDI%20Director%20Red mond%20Boyle.jpg
http://upload.moldova.org/movie/actors/t/tommy_lee_jones/thumbnails/tn2_tommy_lee_jones_2.jpg
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/celebs/images2/A/aaroneckhart.jpg

[The Caped Knight]

TWO-FACE Looks magnificent and so realistic . And So much better than Schumacher Pink/Purple painted Two-Face from Batman Forever .

[Dcknight]

awesome you can see his skull form

[batman1115]

you know, i love almost all that is about TDK, but isn't his face being symmetrical kinda out of the "nolan real world"? shouldn't his face not be so split evenly?

[laudanum09]

this is awful knowing these pics are up...is it a really big spoiler or if I've managed so far, should I continue to resist temptation?

[Crook]

this is awful knowing these pics are up...is it a really big spoiler or if I've managed so far, should I continue to resist temptation?
If you've seen the leaked concept art, it shouldn't be too bad looking at these pics. However, there's a certain spoiler that I don't think has been confirmed so far, but these pics finally do.

[laudanum09]

If you've seen the leaked concept art, it shouldn't be too bad looking at these pics. However, there's a certain spoiler that I don't think has been confirmed so far, but these pics finally do.

anything plot related?

like regarding his death?

I've read a good deal of spoilers so I think I might just go ahead and check it out.

[HopeOfTheFuture]

If you've seen the leaked concept art, it shouldn't be too bad looking at these pics. However, there's a certain spoiler that I don't think has been confirmed so far, but these pics finally do.
I have seen the pics, but which spoiler do you mean?

[laudanum09]

anything plot related?

like regarding his death?

I've read a good deal of spoilers so I think I might just go ahead and check it out.


oh crap, so i peeked and i saw more than just two-face. I quickly lifted my hands to block the other pics from my vision, the only one i got a real good look at was

the hospital w/ mr. j
and while taking a shot


I gotta say its pretty f-ing superb...really f-ed up stuff. Now I know why this is being paraded as a pg-13 that pushes limits. especially since its a popular kids 'genre'. Everything else I managed to see in a blur seemed really really cool...I had to close it the nurse shots were just too much.

[Crook]

I have seen the pics, but which spoiler do you mean?
Harvey is the reason Joker visits the Hospital, and presumably blows it up with Harvey inside it.

[Nepenthes]

How can I find these new Two-Face pics?

[Nepenthes]

thanks. I thought they would be banned.

there's some new pictures I havnt seen in there. I knew I should have stayed away I just undid a whole weeks worth of abstaining from the spoiler board :O :cmad: :whatever:

not entirely happy with Two-Face's look but I guess I have to wait until i see him in motion

.

[HopeOfTheFuture]

Harvey is the reason Joker visits the Hospital, and presumably blows it up with Harvey inside it.
Ahh. okay. That was actually nothing new for me. The guy at Rotten Tomatoes already told it before deleting all his posts later.

[ActuallyRobin]

Must resist looking in there >.<

[Spade]

Just saw the pics. All I have to say is..."T3: Rise of the Dent." Jee-zus. Dude looks like he had a fight with his oven and lost. Now that I think about it, I take my eyelids for granted...

[inflames]

Just saw the pics. All I have to say is..."T3: Rise of the Dent." Jee-zus. Dude looks like he had a fight with his oven and lost. Now that I think about it, I take my eyelids for granted...:hehe:

[ETHAR-N]

I havent been able to see those new pics. Are they related with the other concept desings leaked images? An by the way, i would really appreciate if someone could PM them to me.

Thanks in advance

[Dark Knight 66]

Just saw the new pictures. The images of the Joker and Two-Face are interesting and I think the burn design on Dents face is very good.

[ETHAR-N]

the burn design is very good IMO, but for what ive seen, it may look a bit too CGI, but dont take me seriously, maybe im being really nip ticky. The overall look is really good

[jcurtin]

I normally cannot see any pics from work. I was on the hype about 330 this morning clicked the thread and low and behold there they were. I told everyone in the office "this wont last long", I saved the pics, refreshed the thread and they were gone, not even up 30 mins.:brucebat:

[Closerframe]

Joker looks badass walking away from the hospital with the smoke leaking from the windows. Also the pic of Harvey in a chair with his head down, looks depressing yet epic at the same time.

[warren_sparta27]

So what are peoples thoughts on the rumor that is going around about Two-Face and the end of TDK.
Do you agree with what they supposedly do with the character?

[Gianakin_]

No. I don't agree at all. Even if it's masterfully done, I'll still be opposed to the idea. However, it won't lower my opinion of TDK at all. It's merely a complaint about a possible 3rd Nolan Batfilm.

[SonikDeath]

Does anyone know who that is in front of the door, where joker is sitting on the interogation room floor ?

[Morg]

*sharpens ax*

Next!!

[starscream]

:D wow two face look so gross cant wait to see it in imax.
and the joker in that nurse outfit look really special

[Riven]

Whoa!

I wouldn't recommend looking for those pics. Unless you don't mind BIG spoilers...

[Rikxiepoo]

Oh man... Two-Face is just so freaking awesome looking. Man i'm actually feeling a little sick after seeing those pics. Poor Harvey...he must be so sedated and on pain killers that he can barely move around enough to call for help or defend himself from you know who

[gdw]

Where are these new pics, might I ask?

[warren_sparta27]

Does anyone know who that is in front of the door, where joker is sitting on the interogation room floor ?

I was wondering the same thing?

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

God dammit, missed them.

[namtaB]

I love the look they ended up with for 2 face.

[namtaB]

I was wondering the same thing?

It looked like wally pfister

[Rikxiepoo]

Where are these new pics, might I ask?

Hey diddle diddle... I've got a riddle.

A wonderful place, the internet
full of laughs and movies,
and a lot of important data
supplied by a huge base
of people.

(I suck, I know)

[Batman jr.]

Harsh words. It's that he repeats the mistakes of the first franchise, doing something he says he didn't like about those movies. Seems a bit hypocritical anyway.


Well, some people see themselves as great, but in reality they are just nitpicking crybabies. Or former Nolanites, that take pleasure in so called intelligent bashing...

I love the look of TF, very "comicbook" like!!!

[Why So Serious?]

Damnit.... I wanna see this picture. But I also don't.

The closer the film gets, the more I have the urge to spoil it for myself.

-WsS?

[omerhead]

Just saw the pics. All I have to say is..."T3: Rise of the Dent." Jee-zus. Dude looks like he had a fight with his oven and lost. Now that I think about it, I take my eyelids for granted...

At least it's not the Batman Forever Two-Face.

[Morg]

What a shame asking to get a PM
Morg is here to delete them :hehe:

[Darknightnomis]

Hey diddle diddle... I've got a riddle.

A wonderful place, the internet
full of laughs and movies,
and a lot of important data
supplied by a huge base
of people.

(I suck, I know)

The're not on there, I just check. :huh:

[namtaB]

Just saw the pics. All I have to say is..."T3: Rise of the Dent." Jee-zus. Dude looks like he had a fight with his oven and lost. Now that I think about it, I take my eyelids for granted...

Yeah it has a terminator feel. But still it looks awesome. I'm real glad that's the final look. The production art was good but missing something, the final look is dead on perfect.

[Dr.Doom]

instead of deleting the posts and saying nothing why dont you actually answer the damn question.

[gdw]

It really does look like a fire related burn. But two main characters confirmed acid.

Any who, shouldn't he be bandaged while in a hospital? Seriously, who would leave a fresh burn like that untreated?

[Jack Bauer]

http://xigre.com/datatxt/media/2/20070617-Billy%20Dee%20Williams%20as%20GDI%20Director%20Red mond%20Boyle.jpg
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7BXEvmWbeC8&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7BXEvmWbeC8&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Lando Calrissian!

[Morg]

instead of deleting the posts and saying nothing why dont you actually answer the damn question.

was busy banning someone and removing more links

Too many asking for PM's, getting ridiculous I see pages and pages of it of just posting PM me. Waaay to much spam, so I removed them.

[Orb]

Where can I see the pics?

[TNC9852002]

They would have to be PM'd. They're bootlegged photos. :(

I saw a few thumbnails, but I refused to see the enlarged photos. I think I've been all spoilered out right now, but I think I've got a gist of the look and it looks more comic accurate than the previously released concept art.

-TNC

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

They didn't tone two-face down, that's for sure.
He looks gruesome.

[The Caped Knight]

Hey diddle diddle... I've got a riddle.

A wonderful place, the internet
full of laughs and movies,
and a lot of important data
supplied by a huge base
of people.

(I suck, I know)

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7089/r2fb.jpg
The Riddler you ain't bub.

[Why So Serious?]

They would have to be PM'd. They're bootlegged photos. :(

I saw a few thumbnails, but I refused to see the enlarged photos. I think I've been all spoilered out right now, but I think I've got a gist of the look and it looks more comic accurate than the previously released concept art.

-TNC

I want to see these pics. Almost to a point where I'm willing to spoil the big reveal. But I refuse to. I'll save that until I've seen everything that happens before he looks that way. That way the appearance will carry an emotional impact along with it. Instead of horrible quality bootlegged pics released solely for the purpose of spoiling the gory aspect of it.

-WsS?

[Dr.Doom]

I plan on going to see the film multiple times anyway but I would still like to see the pics.

[Anita18]

It really does look like a fire related burn. But two main characters confirmed acid.

Any who, shouldn't he be bandaged while in a hospital? Seriously, who would leave a fresh burn like that untreated?
At least he ain't leaking fluid. :oldrazz:

How do you think Joker sneaks into the hospital?

It's a film, just go with it.

I don't feel bad about spoiling myself, but it's getting so close to the film's release now, that I kinda don't want to give the link out without making people work for it.

[gdw]

For those wondering about HOW spoilery they are, it shows Two-face, and some other stuff we already knew about.

The only thing that could be considered new is what everyone has already been talking about, and that is that Joker and Dent are talking in the hospital.

In other words, the only thing that you will know that you did not already know will be exactly what Two-Face looks like.

[Nays]

Does anyone know who that is in front of the door, where joker is sitting on the interogation room floor ?

It's the guy who played Holtz on Angel. You can see him in one of the twelve clips that got released. He's probably Gordon's new partner.

[Dr.Doom]

stfu

[Morg]

want to be on probation too Dr Doom?

[Dr.Doom]

im doing nothing wrong

[Morg]

I do know what stfu means, so yes you are

[Dr.Doom]

no ****, everyone does. tons of people use it on here.

it wasnt even directed towards you anyway