Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[The Guard]

The Guard I agree with everything you said about Eckarts hair colour. I don't believe that you've seen many of his performances though to claim that he always plays the same role. The only similarities in his previous roles would be Thank You For Smoking, simply because he is a public speaker. Nothing more.

I'm not talking about similarities in roles. I'm talking about the man's mannerisms and acting ability. I've seen CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER WOMEN, THE BLACK DAHLIA, THANK YOU FOR SMOKING, SUSPECT ZERO, THE CORE, ANY GIVEN SUNDAY, and ERIN BROCKOVICH. I've seen enough of him to realize that he is not cast because he can inhabit a role or do anything amazing with it. He's cast because he fits a role's basics.

[FlawlessVictory]

Actually, I really don't think I do come accross as juvenile or ignorant. Which is a very arrogant thing for me to say.

You don't, your posts are very well articulated and they show intelligence. The "Christopher Nobrain" comment though comes off as somewhat juvenile.

[ghost_x]

Which is what I was saying before, Reg is one of the more rational members on these boards, yet the moment he dislikes something he sounds like every other ignorant child who can sign up to these forums, without trying to justify or rationalise his dislike. Something I had to perfect when I got my first glimpse of Venom

[itsthebatman]

I'm not talking about similarities in roles. I'm talking about the man's mannerisms and acting ability. I've seen CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER WOMEN, THE BLACK DAHLIA, THANK YOU FOR SMOKING, SUSPECT ZERO, THE CORE, ANY GIVEN SUNDAY, and ERIN BROCKOVICH. I've seen enough of him to realize that he is not cast because he can inhabit a role or do anything amazing with it. He's cast because he fits a role's basics.
Essentially, therefore, you're not happy with his casting. Even if he had the hair dyed brown, and plastic surgery to look more like Liev Schreiber, you still woudln't be happy with the casting because you don't like him as an actor.

[itsthebatman]

You don't, your posts are very well articulated and they show intelligence. The "Christopher Nobrain" comment though comes off as somewhat juvenile.
Agreed. I expect that kind of thing from no0bs, not someone as clever and witty as Regwec.

[regwec]

With respect, ghost, I find that unfair. All of my criticisms have been calm and relatively neutral of tone, and I haven't once tried to make the issue personal, as you now are. Of course I have used the occassional barb- I am only human. In any case, we are off topic. If you want to insult me further, then I suggest you send me a PM.

[The Guard]

[Essentially, therefore, you're not happy with his casting. Even if he had the hair dyed brown, and plastic surgery to look more like Liev Schreiber, you still woudln't be happy with the casting because you don't like him as an actor.

I'm almost positive there were better choices out there. Could he be a solid Harvey Dent/Two-Face? Probably, but it would have helped if he looked less like HIMSELF in that regard. If he'd dyed his hair brown, and had a different hairstyle, I'd be thrilled, because it would mean he was that much more committed to inhabiting the role. Am I unhappy with the casting? That depends on whether he's learned to inhabit a role or not. I don't neccessarily think his mannerisms fit Harvey Dent as we all know the character. I'm willing to give him a shot, but I'm not willing to go "He's Harvey Dent"! just yet.

[ghost_x]

Reg, as much as it may appear, I'm not attacking you personally or with any intent to offend, in fact quite the opposite, if I didn't respect you as an intellectual poster I wouldn't feel as strongly. I just find your comments about the subject quite out of character for you and am merely finding it difficult to establish your true concerns when your constantly bashing the concept without substantial evidence, something that the lesser members of this board do on a constant basis.

[itsthebatman]

I'm almost positive there were better choices out there. Could he be a solid Harvey Dent/Two-Face? Probably, but it would have helped if he looked less like HIMSELF in that regard. If he'd dyed his hair brown, and had a different hairstyle, I'd be thrilled, because it would mean he was that much more committed to inhabiting the role. Am I unhappy with the casting? That depends on whether he's learned to inhabit a role or not. I don't neccessarily think his mannerisms fit Harvey Dent as we all know the character. I'm willing to give him a shot, but I'm not willing to go "He's Harvey Dent"! just yet.
Well, this may not be up to him. The director probably has the final say in how the character looks, and he may not have wanted to go with the brown hair. I remember an old story about Henry Fonda and Sergio Leone. Fonda had just been cast to play Frank, the villain, in Once Upon A Time In The West. So he grew a beard and put in brown contact lenses to look more villainous. At the airport, when Leone met him, the director said 'No, no, no! Shave, and take out the contacts!'. This because, in Franks opening scene, he and his gang kill an entire family, off-screen, and the camera then reveals the killer (Fonda) looking at the only surviving member, a young boy, before he shoots him also. What leone wanted was Fonda to look like he normally did so that when audience mebers saw the cold-blooded killer they would exclaim 'Jesus Christ! That' Henry Fonda!'
My point? Sometimes looking like you normally do is more ffective than altering to fit audience expecatations.

[Nepenthes]

On blonde hair...

97.6% of the people seeing this movie will have no friggin clue who the character is, so no matter what colour the hair is as soon as Aaron Echart walks on screen he's going to be a perfect, unadulterated image of a guy called Harvey Dent.

However the only reason Eckhart should change is hair is because Dent is a very similar character to ThankYouForSmoking, which is a very memorable and high profile role, besides the fact Eckhart looks damn near the same in every movie anyway. It'll look like the cigarette guy just wondered onto the wrong set.

[ghost_x]

Promotional picture aside, I still believe he will dye his hair.

[The Guard]

Well, this may not be up to him. The director probably has the final say in how the character looks, and he may not have wanted to go with the brown hair. I remember an old story about Henry Fonda and Sergio Leone. Fonda had just been cast to play Frank, the villain, in Once Upon A Time In The West. So he grew a beard and put in brown contact lenses to look more villainous. At the airport, when Leone met him, the director said 'No, no, no! Shave, and take out the contacts!'. This because, in Franks opening scene, he and his gang kill an entire family, off-screen, and the camera then reveals the killer (Fonda) looking at the only surviving member, a young boy, before he shoots him also. What leone wanted was Fonda to look like he normally did so that when audience mebers saw the cold-blooded killer they would exclaim 'Jesus Christ! That' Henry Fonda!'
My point? Sometimes looking like you normally do is more ffective than altering to fit audience expecatations.

Ok, but I'm not interested in who made the call. What's relevant to me is that someone dropped the ball. Aaron Eckhardt is not Henry Fonda, and the situation you speak of isn't even remotely the same. There's no shock value in unveiling a character long before the moment you want the audience to be shocked. And this isn't about shock value.

[itsthebatman]

I'm almost positive there were better choices out there. Could he be a solid Harvey Dent/Two-Face? Probably, but it would have helped if he looked less like HIMSELF in that regard. If he'd dyed his hair brown, and had a different hairstyle, I'd be thrilled, because it would mean he was that much more committed to inhabiting the role. Am I unhappy with the casting? That depends on whether he's learned to inhabit a role or not. I don't neccessarily think his mannerisms fit Harvey Dent as we all know the character. I'm willing to give him a shot, but I'm not willing to go "He's Harvey Dent"! just yet.
With all due respect, this sentence makes it seem very much like you blame Eckhart for dropping the ball. I also do not agree that his appearance makes him less committe to the role - the things he has said ('It's a firecracker of a script') make him sound very excited about the role.
Re: the Henry Fonda thing. It's not about shock value, it's to demonstrate that changing an actor's appearance for the sake of it, or to fit a preconceived notion, is not always beneficial. At the end of the day, it was Fonda's performance that marked him as evil, and having brown eyes and a beard wouldn't have enhanced that one bit.

[Artistsean]

I just hope that for Harvey Dent's scars in the 3rd movie (because Nolan said "If we did a sequal it would be Joker in part 2 and introduce Harvey Dent, then 2-Face in part 3)
So in part 3 I just hope they go with this type of scarring for Two-Face.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/fanart-schreiber2.jpghttp://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/twoface2.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/melface1.jpghttp://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Goodbye_my_friend___spiderman3_by_c.jpghttp://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/s3t12pb9.jpg

I hope they make his scarred side look realistic, and maybe not completely on half of his face. The could be a slight discoloration, maybe a little red to his scars. Also, and maybe more importantly, I hope they make Two-Face and Harvey actual multiple personalities. Like in Long Halloween and and Dark Victory, and all that.
Make Harvey be an incredibly wonderful and nice man, honest and a good man. Then have Two-Face be dark and mean, pushy, arrogant, only looking out for himself, and maybe seeming a little evil.

[ghost_x]

I like the scarring, but frankly I don't find it horrific enough. Hell I still thought James Franco was a good looking guy even with half a scarred face

[Artistsean]

I just mean the a-symmetry of his face. It almost looks like his bone structure on one side what changed. I would like it to look like a real burn victim's scars, and not what they put in Batman and Robin, and not something over gruesome if it isn't realistic.
I also don't want to be able to see a straight line down the middle of his face, seperating his good side and bad side.
My favorite refference pictures I posted are the clay sculpted head and Mel Gibson's "Man without a Face".
Thos two look really scarred and realistic.

[ghost_x]

I understand what you want to see in Dent, but a 'real burn victims scars' are far more horrific,

http://www.alexinwonderland.com/images/burnvictim.jpg

[fabman]

Oh gosh... damn, that's exaggerated for Harvey Dent, ghost... really!

[Artistsean]

What I mean is a burn victim after the scars have had time to heal, like the Man without a Face pic, not what the burn victim right after the accident when they are still swollen and bloody.
Escpecially if Harvey Dent was able to get some medical attention right away, like he probably would.
I think something like this, Dark Man, would be too much:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/LiamNeeson_Darkman.jpg

[fabman]

Man without a Face scarring is perfect, just expand it more on the one side of his face...

[ghost_x]

Oh gosh... damn, that's exaggerated for Harvey Dent, ghost... really!

Now your a real man! :woot:

[ghost_x]

See, like people's complaints about the Joker, I feel a too subtle and uncoloured scarring like Mel Gibsons one doesn't feel Two Face to me. What seperates his look from that of every other burn victim. I want Dent's to be distinct, he's a comic book villain, and needs something to establish that visually.

[Artistsean]

I think that could be established through his acting, and character. Also Nolan's style for Batman has so far seemed a little more subtle, toning down Ras al Ghul somewhat.

[Shoemeister]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/fanart-schreiber2.jpg

Man, this picture brings back some memories... DAMMIT!

[Steelsheen]

I understand what you want to see in Dent, but a 'real burn victims scars' are far more horrific,

http://www.alexinwonderland.com/images/burnvictim.jpg
is that for real? or a really good make-up job?


Man without a Face scarring is perfect, just expand it more on the one side of his face...
agreed


Man, this picture brings back some memories... DAMMIT!
so true :(

[fabman]

See, like people's complaints about the Joker, I feel a too subtle and uncoloured scarring like Mel Gibsons one doesn't feel Two Face to me. What seperates his look from that of every other burn victim. I want Dent's to be distinct, he's a comic book villain, and needs something to establish that visually.

No, it's just that... I just finished eating, you know!?

NO - kids are gonna see the movie, too. Also, something like that would just be distracting...

[ghost_x]

I don't actually mean have burns that hideous, I just mean something a bit more than subtle scarring.

[ghost_x]

This is absolutely irrelevant now, but while watching Heroes the other night, I was thinking the actor who plays Nathan Patrelli, would make a brilliant Dent

[Closerframe]

^ I agree with you hes both evil and good

[itsthebatman]

What I mean is a burn victim after the scars have had time to heal, like the Man without a Face pic, not what the burn victim right after the accident when they are still swollen and bloody.
Escpecially if Harvey Dent was able to get some medical attention right away, like he probably would.
I think something like this, Dark Man, would be too much:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/LiamNeeson_Darkman.jpg
Just do the scarring on one side, don't involve the other lower jaw, and that's the kind of thing I'd look for. Something similar to TLH or DV Two-Face.

[lixdexia]

his death was kinda just thrown in there too, what i mean to say is it didn't have as much impact as it could have. anywho that clay bust a page back is perfect

[Crook]

Remember, if it's the comic book genre, no body....no death. :o

[lixdexia]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/twoface2.jpg

scarring like this would be fantastic:woot:

[Stanley Ipkiss]

I Think the Last Shot of Dent in TDK should have like half his face hidden in shadow or something

[Tonight It Ends]

or a coin flipping in the air and it lands in his bad hand.

[Stanley Ipkiss]

No Member, He wont be two face till Batman 3

[DeFett]

Except now he's dead. :[

I was so mad they killed him.

Didn't want to know that ...some places haven't had the season final yet.

[ghost_x]

I never actually understood why Nathan had to fly up there with Peter, Peter could fly by himself!

[dark_b]

I Think the Last Shot of Dent in TDK should have like half his face hidden in shadow or somethinghes scared face is in the shadows. he is tanding next to a window. outside its raining and lightining.
than we all know what happens :woot:

[ghost_x]

He gets struck by lightning?

[dark_b]

I never actually understood why Nathan had to fly up there with Peter, Peter could fly by himself!all heroes were around him and he got al lof their new powers. plus peter is very emotional and you saw what happens when ted was angry.
i guess he was not able to do anything.
plus the show started with the brothers and it had to end with them IMO.
a great show.

[dark_b]

He gets struck by lightning?watch TAS. it was perfect IMO.

[ghost_x]

watch TAS. it was perfect IMO.

I was kidding, Grace comes into the hospital right as he busts out the door and the lighting hits and lights up his face to her right?

[ghost_x]

all heroes were around him and he got al lof their new powers. plus peter is very emotional and you saw what happens when ted was angry.
i guess he was not able to do anything.
plus the show started with the brothers and it had to end with them IMO.
a great show.


I know why he's going radioactive, I'm just saying Peter already learnt how to fly and didn't need his brother there with him. It just seemed a bit forced, but was a nice moment nonetheless. I was hoping for a more epic battle though. I also don't like the ending with Hiro, didn't get me pumped for Season 2 at all. I did like that the little girl mentioned something scarier than the boogeyman (Sylar) I'm looking forrward to whatever that is.

[Cobblepot]

Created by Toy Otter from Drawing Board.org

http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/jason/dentface.jpg

[regwec]

Nice, but the right eye looks rather healthy, considering its prior contact with hydrochloric acid.

[itsthebatman]

Do you mean the left eye? His right is untouched.

[ghost_x]

The scarring is pretty close to what I would like to see, it's got a more decayed, burnt effect. Overall it's a pretty damn good manip.

[JStorm]

Do you mean the left eye? His right is untouched.

Our right; his left.

And Reg, I'd rather his eye look "healthy" rather than have pink/purple acne. ;)

[Crook]

I just hope we get something close to these 2 interpretations:

http://i10.tinypic.com/2ljoxms.jpg
http://anyeventuality.wordpress.com/files/2006/04/Bianche%20Two-Face%20Cropped%2080pc.JPG

It's accurate to the source (what a novel idea), and is just gruesome enough to be different from Tommy Lee's take without having to push a hard rating.

This look CAN'T possibly be messed up come BB3...right? :csad:

[regwec]

I think there is more leeway with Two Face than the Joker. Two Face suffers regular acid burns to one side of his face, which have been interpreted with some variance over the years. Something needs to happen to The Joker to make him look clown like, and he has always looked pretty much the same (again, outside deliberately revisionist sources like Arkham Asylum. I think they tinkered with the wrong character, personally.

[Brian Braddock]

Created by Toy Otter from Drawing Board.org

http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/jason/dentface.jpg


Pretty much nailed the look right there apart from the point Regwec hit upon about his left eye being undamaged.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/twoface.png

Add something like this:-

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/Image19.jpg

And 'hey presto' - problem solved.

[Crook]

I think there is more leeway with Two Face than the Joker. Two Face suffers regular acid burns to one side of his face, which have been interpreted with some variance over the years. Something needs to happen to The Joker to make him look clown like, and he has always looked pretty much the same (again, outside deliberately revisionist sources like Arkham Asylum. I think they tinkered with the wrong character, personally.
Agreed. If there was one character from the previous franchise that they want to have free reign with, it would definitely be Two-Face. The characterization already needs a revamp, and I'm sure a twisted, but grounded take on the scarred side would be welcome with open arms.



http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/Image19.jpg

Ooooh, I like that first example. Really nice. What's the cause of it?

[Bandyt]

oops I mean I know that Harvey Dent will be in the Sequel. But the question is wheter he will be from GOtham City. Of course I know...


Would you vote for someone that wasn't from your City?

[Bandyt]

Eurgh, I forgot I was on the first page. yeah...I'd like to see a TLH Two Face.

[Keyser Soze]

Nice, but the right eye looks rather healthy, considering its prior contact with hydrochloric acid.

This is one detail I hope Nolan and co. pick up on. One little touch I really loved about the appearance of Two-Face in the "Dark Detective" mini-series from a couple of years back was that he carried around a little eye-drop bottle in his pocket, which he had to regularly use to keep the eye from drying up.

Anyone know if this detail has appeared anywhere else?

[Two-Face]

Created by Toy Otter from Drawing Board.org

http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/jason/dentface.jpg


Nice manip..

[Artistsean]

Except now he's dead. :[

I was so mad they killed him.



Heroes was a very biblical story, and Peter's story was a Jesus story,
So I should have realized they would have killed Peter off. But like Jesus he can always rise again, come back for another story. Plus if they want to delve into Peter's parent's story more or Peter's Mother (who seemed evil) then they have to bring back someone related to her.


I just hope that for Harvey Dent's scars in the 3rd movie (because Nolan said "If we did a sequal it would be Joker in part 2 and introduce Harvey Dent, then 2-Face in part 3)
So in part 3 I just hope they go with this type of scarring for Two-Face.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/fanart-schreiber2.jpghttp://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/twoface2.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/melface1.jpghttp://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Goodbye_my_friend___spiderman3_by_c.jpghttp://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/s3t12pb9.jpg

I hope they make his scarred side look realistic, and maybe not completely on half of his face. The could be a slight discoloration, maybe a little red to his scars. Also, and maybe more importantly, I hope they make Two-Face and Harvey actual multiple personalities. Like in Long Halloween and and Dark Victory, and all that.
Make Harvey be an incredibly wonderful and nice man, honest and a good man. Then have Two-Face be dark and mean, pushy, arrogant, only looking out for himself, and maybe seeming a little evil.

What I was trying to say about the scarring is that I think they should use realistic scarring, like Man without a Face, for the basis. Base the scarring off these types of refferences and then maybe make it a little more unique and comic book, but not go crazy.
I just don't want one half of his face scarred, with a straight line down the middle dividing it. It just doesn't seem like it would fit in the world of Nolan's Batman.

[ghost_x]

This is one detail I hope Nolan and co. pick up on. One little touch I really loved about the appearance of Two-Face in the "Dark Detective" mini-series from a couple of years back was that he carried around a little eye-drop bottle in his pocket, which he had to regularly use to keep the eye from drying up.

Anyone know if this detail has appeared anywhere else?

I suppose 'Casino Royale' had a slight resemblance to Dent's eye in Dark Detective. La Cheuffe although I don't recall using eye drops reguarly carried around a tissue, to stop his bleeding eye. Another example would be 'A Clockwork Orange', when Alex is being conditioned to feel nausea towards violence, the doctors are continuously using eye drops on him as they had clamped open his eyes and was unable to blink.

[regwec]

It was new to me in a Batman context, however.

[mereel]

Hi, im new in the forum. I just wanna say that I exited to see how they make Two-Face in The Dark Knight. Menwhile I couldn't wait and i did my version. Hope you like it.

http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc1028/th_72384_Harvey_Tow-face_122_1028lo.jpg (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=72384_Harvey_Tow-face_122_1028lo.jpg)

[DarqJakob]

This is something sent to me by a friend who lives in SanDiego, I have no idea if its real. I don't even hardly know the guy, we met in a comicbook forum, but he says he works in production advertising. Real or not, I thought it was awesome.

http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58036_dented_122_423lo.jpg

[DarqJakob]

http://img182.imagevenue.com/loc423/th_58036_dented_122_423lo.jpg (http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc423&image=58036_dented_122_423lo.jpg)

[Steelsheen]

Hi, im new in the forum. I just wanna say that I exited to see how they make Two-Face in The Dark Knight. Menwhile I couldn't wait and i did my version. Hope you like it.

http://img23.imagevenue.com/loc938/th_10844_Harvey_Tow-face_122_938lo.jpg (http://img23.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=10844_Harvey_Tow-face_122_938lo.jpg)
i like the coin flip part.as for Two-Face, uhm the other half kinda looks like Clay Face.


http://img182.imagevenue.com/loc423/th_58036_dented_122_423lo.jpg (http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc423&image=58036_dented_122_423lo.jpg)

why green?

[ghost_x]

This is something sent to me by a friend who lives in SanDiego, I have no idea if its real. I don't even hardly know the guy, we met in a comicbook forum, but he says he works in production advertising. Real or not, I thought it was awesome.

http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58036_dented_122_423lo.jpg

You actually believe this to be even remotely real? :dry:

[TheBatman072]

You actually believe this to be even remotely real? :dry:


Or awesome?

[ghost_x]

or decent?

[Keyser Soze]

The picture looks like Aaron Eckhart spliced with a zombie from the original "Resident Evil" for the Playstation. Not bad for a manip, but is anyone supposed to believe that is legit?

[mereel]

I think so too. I expected something really espectacular, but after seen it, I think mine look better jaja.

[ghost_x]

Whats your one mereel?

[Rynan]

http://img182.imagevenue.com/loc423/th_58036_dented_122_423lo.jpg (http://img182.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc423&image=58036_dented_122_423lo.jpg)

Half Eckhart, Half Hulk, All Chin.

[mereel]

Whats your one mereel?

The One with the coin.

[ghost_x]

I can't see it

[mereel]

Is this one.

http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc1028/th_72384_Harvey_Tow-face_122_1028lo.jpg (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=72384_Harvey_Tow-face_122_1028lo.jpg)

I Know is not much, i was much influided by the Two-Face Of the Animated Serie, but i like it.

[ghost_x]

ahh right, it's not actually that bad, the texture on the scarring looks more like stone or metal rather than an acid burn. It's alright though, the coins a really nice touch though

[DarqJakob]

Hey, the whole thing I liked about this one was that it looked like Two-Face from the animated series like with the little streak of white, and green skin. I also like how the word "I" was replaced with "We" cause he has multiple personality disorder, and Two-Face instead of Dent, and blood instead of a flag.

It probably is just a manip, but at least my friend used Exkart's face rather then some weird compilation of smudge tool and texture filter. Although, yes, I did expect it was all fake. My "source" has sent me stuff before that was bogus. Speaking of which, he sent me a couple other versions of TWO-Face. Feel free to rant.

http://img163.imagevenue.com/loc600/th_09796_dentERED_122_600lo.jpg (http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=09796_dentERED_122_600lo.jpg)

http://img9.imagevenue.com/loc1076/th_09802_dentEDer_122_1076lo.jpg (http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=09802_dentEDer_122_1076lo.jpg)

[DarqJakob]

I like the greyish one, and how each side of the face actually looks like it has a different facial expression, I've never been in agreement with people who just want some horribly burnt side, his name is Two-Face, not Burn-Face. I like the duality.

[mereel]

Well, i think the point of the Character is that he looks deformed, the name said it all, he is a two-face.

[DarqJakob]

My problem with Two-Face just being some burnt, or scarred,or deformed guy, is that millions of people live with that sort of thing without becoming some sort of psycopathic crime boss. For it to make sense in my mind, it has to be something singularly unique beyond the repair of plastic surgery. Even if a person was horribly scarred beyond repair, most people would be understanding and he probably wouldn't stand out that much in a crowd. I feel the accident has to create an appearence that makes it impossible for him to dwell amoung normal people without being noticed. Two-Face is a super-villian not a crazy guy with some scarring and multi-phasic personality disorder. I'm all for realism, I don't want Batman Forever or anything, I just think having a strange skin color on that side is more important then ugly scars.

[Keyser Soze]

My problem with Two-Face just being some burnt, or scarred,or deformed guy, is that millions of people live with that sort of thing without becoming some sort of psycopathic crime boss. For it to make sense in my mind, it has to be something singularly unique beyond the repair of plastic surgery. Even if a person was horribly scarred beyond repair, most people would be understanding and he probably wouldn't stand out that much in a crowd. I feel the accident has to create an appearence that makes it impossible for him to dwell amoung normal people without being noticed. Two-Face is a super-villian not a crazy guy with some scarring and multi-phasic personality disorder. I'm all for realism, I don't want Batman Forever or anything, I just think having a strange skin color on that side is more important then ugly scars.

Check back a few pages. If you want to read more on Two-Face's character - and the role scarring plays in that - you'll find some of the discussion myself, StorminNorman and others had very interesting.

Hint - page 56 would be a good place to start...

Oh, and welcome to The Hype!

[Hunter Rider]

It'll be interesting to see how Nolan and co interpret Two Face given the Joker's mutilation

[Keyser Soze]

Well, if Two-Face is supposed to be the "disfigured" villain, next to The Joker, he's gonna have to be REALLY funked up!

[Hunter Rider]

Well, if Two-Face is supposed to be the "disfigured" villain, next to The Joker, he's gonna have to be REALLY funked up!

That's what's intriguing me:wow:

[mereel]

Well, they dare to change the logo and the sport look of the batmobile. Now we see a Joker with trembling Lipstick. What can we expect for the Good ol' Harvey?

[Keyser Soze]

Well, they dare to change the logo and the sport look of the batmobile. Now we see a Joker with trembling Lipstick. What can we expect for the Good ol' Harvey?

http://garfieldridge.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/crypt_keeper.jpg

[DangerousInc.]

Wonder if we'll see 2 Face under Scarecrows Fear Gas. Would be awesome!

[strikezone89]

any good manips?

[Cobblepot]

Look around, plenty of 'em.

[ghost_x]

http://garfieldridge.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/crypt_keeper.jpg

You call that funked up, THIS is funked up, meet Tarman

http://www.danperezstudios.com/images/ebay/tarmanebaymovie.jpg

:oldrazz::woot:

[Jinnobi]

Freaky, but I hope and pray that Harvey doesn't look like that.

[Borat]

You call that funked up, THIS is funked up, meet Tarman

http://www.danperezstudios.com/images/ebay/tarmanebaymovie.jpg

:oldrazz::woot:LMFAO!

[mereel]

That's the most comic teeth I've ever seen

[Rezzo]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/fanart-schreiber2.jpg


This look would definitely work really well in the next movie

[Shoemeister]

This look would definitely work really well in the next movie

Pffft... yeah, if Liev Schreiber were playing Harv. I wish.

But seriously, Eckhart's gonna pwn... FTW!

[Nepenthes]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g74/ngorsh01/gc.jpg

Half Eckhart, Half Van Damme

Damn scary.

[ghost_x]

Why the funk would Van Damme be Dent's alter ego

[Nepenthes]

dunno. Just thought it would be amusing if someone got scarred and turned into van damme

[ghost_x]

I can dig it

[Schlosser85]

In the casting side with the Mayor, he and the radio guy discuss "Randolph" and the Mayor says Randolph is not dead, and is looking forward to get back on the job, which many people take to mean Randolph=Dent. If that scene goes on, as many suspect, to feature The Joker coming on the air, then that would seem that it's not the end of the movie, meaning, if Randolph is Dent, and has already been scarred, does that mean Dent could be scarred before the end of TDK?

[ghost_x]

Dent could very well be scarred long before the credits roll, but it doesn't necessarily imply that we would actually see Two Face before the third movie. It just might not be the cliffhanger ending many are hoping for.

[mereel]

It'll be great to see Two-Face in this movie, but I prefer they focus more on the Joker for this one and leave him for the third. Have many villians in one movie could be disastrous like spiderman 3.

[itsthebatman]

It'll be great to see Two-Face in this movie, but I prefer they focus more on the Joker for this one and leave him for the third. Have many villians in one movie could be disastrous like spiderman 3.
Nolan showed in BB he can juggle villains (Ras, Scarecrow, Falcone, Zsasz), so I wouldn't worry too much. As long as he doesn't lumber them with extensive backstory and origins, we're alright.

[Keyser Soze]

Nolan showed in BB he can juggle villains (Ras, Scarecrow, Falcone, Zsasz), so I wouldn't worry too much. As long as he doesn't lumber them with extensive backstory and origins, we're alright.

Ideally, Harvey Dent will get his backstory throughout "The Dark Knight", but won't become Two-Face until part 3.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

Or until the end, with him escaping from the hospital...curtains blowing as bruce looks out.

[Keyser Soze]

^^

Or until the end, with him escaping from the hospital...curtains blowing as bruce looks out.

MAYBE have him get scarred towards the end of the film, but I'd save the actual transformation into Two-Face for part 3.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

MAYBE have him get scarred towards the end of the film, but I'd save the actual transformation into Two-Face for part 3.

That's what i was hoping for.. perhaps even add some lightening as he is escaping,lighting up the burnt side to dramatic effect.

[mereel]

I mean that I don't want him to finish like a Sideshow Bob for the Joker like he did for the Riddler in Batman Forever.

[Keyser Soze]

That's what i was hoping for.. perhaps even add some lightening as he is escaping,lighting up the burnt side to dramatic effect.

Nah....even if Dent gets scarred, don't expect the big Two-Face reveal with "The Dark Knight". Surely that's something he'll save for the marketing for part 3.

IF Dent were to escape from the hospital at the end of "The Dark Knight", I'd have his face be entirely wrapped up in bandages, so we don't see what he looks like.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Nah....even if Dent gets scarred, don't expect the big Two-Face reveal with "The Dark Knight". Surely that's something he'll save for the marketing for part 3.

IF Dent were to escape from the hospital at the end of "The Dark Knight", I'd have his face be entirely wrapped up in bandages, so we don't see what he looks like.

Maybe, i prefer my way better.

:woot:

[Cobblepot]

Your way is the way it was done in BTAS...

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Your way is the way it was done in BTAS...

I knew there was a reason i liked it.

:up:

:D

[Keyser Soze]

Maybe, i prefer my way better.

:woot:

I can see why, in the short-term, you get the cool, dramatic ending, and get to see Two-Face.

But I think it's just too much. I want something to look forward to, something to anticipate, something Nolan and co can use to hype me up during the likely three-year wait for Batman 3. Ideally, it would be that elusive first shot of Eckhart as Two-Face. Much like with the reveal of Ledger as Joker, a year early - revealing a teaser shot of Eckhart as Two-Face in 2009 or 2010 would really build up hype for part 3, and make the film a hot talking point among fans.

But if you throw away such a money-shot in "The Dark Knight", then it's like gorging yourself on a whole tub of ice-cream in one sitting. It's great, but then you have nothing to look forward too. It would be like if we'd seen The Joker's face at the end of "Batman Begins" - it would have been a cool moment, but it would have hurt the buzz and speculation for "The Dark Knight".

[ghost_x]

Nah....even if Dent gets scarred, don't expect the big Two-Face reveal with "The Dark Knight". Surely that's something he'll save for the marketing for part 3.

IF Dent were to escape from the hospital at the end of "The Dark Knight", I'd have his face be entirely wrapped up in bandages, so we don't see what he looks like.

Agreed, the final scene would be the perfect moment, for a bandaged Harvey to scream in agony upon waking up in a Hospital bed, as he begins to stumble out towards the exit still screaming whilst ripping off each part of the bandage one by one. The final shot could be him actually outside the hospital in the rain, falling to the floor in sheer agony and crawling off into a dark alley, without seeing his face.

[Keyser Soze]

Agreed, the final scene would be the perfect moment, for a bandaged Harvey to scream in agony upon waking up in a Hospital bed, as he begins to stumble out towards the exit still screaming whilst ripping off each part of the bandage one by one. The final shot could be him actually outside the hospital in the rain, falling to the floor in sheer agony and crawling off into a dark alley, without seeing his face.

Do you think we'll see Harvey Dent hiding in the sewers in part 3, like in The Long Halloween/Dark Victory? Or is that a bit too "Batman Returns"?

[itsthebatman]

Do you think we'll see Harvey Dent hiding in the sewers in part 3, like in The Long Halloween/Dark Victory? Or is that a bit too "Batman Returns"?
Could do. Sewers are good.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

ok then..maybe just have him lying in bed flipping a coin..

[ghost_x]

I really liked the way Dent was handled in TLH, with his seclusion, but alot of his characterisation derives from the interaction with Solomon. I'm not sure if I can visually see Dent retreating to a sewer in order to plan his revenge on Maroni. It does seem very Burton.

[Keyser Soze]

I really liked the way Dent was handled in TLH, with his seclusion, but alot of his characterisation derives from the interaction with Solomon. I'm not sure if I can visually see Dent retreating to a sewer in order to plan his revenge on Maroni. It does seem very Burton.

I COULD see him retreating to The Narrows, or the scummy, downtrodden drug-alleys that Rachel drove Bruce through near the beginning of "Batman Begins". It could be a great way of demonstrating the "How the great have fallen" idea.

[ghost_x]

A secluded area of the Narrows would be a good place for Dent to head to. I'd assume his work in The Dark Knight will lead him to aid and tackle the vulnerable and criminals respectively from the Narrows. So to tragically fall from grace in the way Dent does upon his transformation, it would be a great way to represent this, by living among the one's he once tried to help.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Keyser and Ghost.. i think your ideas sound alot better.. i guess the fanboy in me wants a money shot, but you're both right..it should be hidden until Part 3.

[ghost_x]

I enjoy a money shot as much as anyone, but I also like to be kept in the dark so to speak when it comes to such big reveals as Two Face. I believe we will be given enough drama and excitement in The Dark Knight to not warrant any more big shocks. If at the end of The Dark Knight, I crave something more and new, than the film has failed in one aspect. I would like to leave the theatre completely content and satisfied.

[Keyser Soze]

I enjoy a money shot as much as anyone, but I also like to be kept in the dark so to speak when it comes to such big reveals as Two Face. I believe we will be given enough drama and excitement in The Dark Knight to not warrant any more big shocks. If at the end of The Dark Knight, I crave something more and new, than the film has failed in one aspect. I would like to leave the theatre completely content and satisfied.

I think there's a balance though. On one hand, you have to feel completely content and satisfied with the cinematic experience, and the story you've just been told, but on the other hand, you have to leave the cinema wanting more, wanting the story to continue. Getting the balance right is how you find the perfect "hook" for a franchise movie to lead into a sequel.

[ghost_x]

Of course, but there's a difference between revealing a Joker card and physically showing the Joker's face as the camera fades out. One excites you for what is to be revealed in the next film and the other just leaves you content that you've seen something. It is an extremely difficult factor to define, but in the long run, I feel fans will be happier once they have waited and anticipated the look rather than being shown before hand.

[strikezone89]

any good maips?

[Cristo]

Now, I know I'm going to be hanged for this, but what about not scarring Harvey Dent until the middle of the THIRD film? Now calm down...I'm not finished. My reasons for saying this are these: In TDK, we've got Joker killing innocent people and basically being a pain in the neck for Batman. We all know Joker's not going to die, so this story could be about like Christopher Nolan said, "things getting worse before they get better". Think about it: the Joker, Mr Zsaz, and Scarecrow causing havoc (with Joker being the primary and best villain of course). Then, we have the cure for this fear toxin, so they give it to Carmine Falcone in order to try him in court BUT he gets off on some technicality or because of some crooked judges and starts ruling Gotham again through his thugs. This could set up the rivalry between Falcone and the new mob boss Maroni, and it could also introduce Harvey Dent as the district attorney who tries to bring them both down. Meanwhile, Batman's dealing with the maniacal Joker and, done right, that could basically envelop the story of TDK ending with Joker getting shipped off to Arkham(albeit with some cryptic joke, of course) and Batman, Dent, and Gordon on the rooftop(just like the first movie) allying to stop crime in Gotham, leaving some hope for the future.

Now, the third movie focuses on the gangsters. Harvey Dent becomes obsessed with taking down Falcone, while Batman also tries to stop the gangsters from destroying Gotham City. The tagline could even be "I believe in Gotham City." Maroni is finally convicted, but he scars Harvey in court. Harvey goes to the hospital, Batman dealing with Joker escaping from Arkham, Harvey escapes, finds Falcone. Now we could have a stand down with Batman, Joker, Falcone, and Two-Face. Two-Face flips his coin; it lands on the scarred side. He shoots Falcone twice in the head and he escapes. Batman goes to pursue Two-Face, but Joker blocks him and starts lauging manically before saying something like "It's too late, Batman. Gotham belongs to the freaks now. Like him, me...and you." Batman and Joker fight; Batman takes down Joker (something symbolic of Batman conquering his fear) and pursues Two-Face only to find that he's turned himself in saying darkly that "Justice has been done." And, we find Batman standing alone on the building where the first two ended and saying "I believe in justice." "I believe in putting fear...into those who prey on the fearful." Then, we see flashbacks of Batman's father. Batman finally takes his mask off revealing Wayne's face as he looks out over the Gotham City skyline. "I believe in Gotham City." Cue credits.

[Schlosser85]

A secluded area of the Narrows would be a good place for Dent to head to. I'd assume his work in The Dark Knight will lead him to aid and tackle the vulnerable and criminals respectively from the Narrows. So to tragically fall from grace in the way Dent does upon his transformation, it would be a great way to represent this, by living among the one's he once tried to help.

I like that, and it'd be true to the comics, wouldn't it? After all in The Long Halloween, Dent hides in the sewer and joins with the rest of the "freaks" after his scarring. I'd guess The Joker would probably hide out in the Narrows too, so if he's still at large by the end of The Dark Knight, do you think he and Two-Face will run into each other? Although it doesn't sound like they're going to be exactly on good terms in TDK...

[ghost_x]

I doubt Joker will be hiding, especially in the Narrows, he will more likely make himself known quickly, and he would probably have a hideout more conspicuous. Mister J works in mysterious ways.

[kytrigger]

I doubt Joker will be hiding, especially in the Narrows, he will more likely make himself known quickly, and he would probably have a hideout more conspicuous. Mister J works in mysterious ways.
in the really quick treatment I wrote for TDK I had him actualyl taking over an abandoned Arkham Asylum as his place. I made it so that the Narrows was basically full of crazy people form the gas still, and it was like his proverbial kingdom.

I thought it was a good balance of keeping the narrows in it, while making sure he was out enough in the open.

[ghost_x]

Why was Arkham abandoned? Didn't the staff/police try to restore order?

[kytrigger]

Why was Arkham abandoned? Didn't the staff/police try to restore order?
I had it pretty soon after Begins. the narrows was stil basically lost, and teh cops were mainly dealing with a major turf war between the crime lords trying to take over all of Falcone's old land since he's pretty much out of the picture. The Narrows being ridiculously poor got the least amount of attention from the police.

[ghost_x]

Sounds pretty good, I reckon we will be seeing a turf war from Falcone's absence in The Dark Knight

[kytrigger]

I would like to see one. I like the idea of Batman fighting on multiple fronts, not just major villains but mobsters too.

[ghost_x]

I think that's where the alliance of Gordon and Dent will play into, having all the resources on stopping the gang wars.

[strikezone89]

Now, I know I'm going to be hanged for this, but what about not scarring Harvey Dent until the middle of the THIRD film? Now calm down...I'm not finished. My reasons for saying this are these: In TDK, we've got Joker killing innocent people and basically being a pain in the neck for Batman. We all know Joker's not going to die, so this story could be about like Christopher Nolan said, "things getting worse before they get better". Think about it: the Joker, Mr Zsaz, and Scarecrow causing havoc (with Joker being the primary and best villain of course). Then, we have the cure for this fear toxin, so they give it to Carmine Falcone in order to try him in court BUT he gets off on some technicality or because of some crooked judges and starts ruling Gotham again through his thugs. This could set up the rivalry between Falcone and the new mob boss Maroni, and it could also introduce Harvey Dent as the district attorney who tries to bring them both down. Meanwhile, Batman's dealing with the maniacal Joker and, done right, that could basically envelop the story of TDK ending with Joker getting shipped off to Arkham(albeit with some cryptic joke, of course) and Batman, Dent, and Gordon on the rooftop(just like the first movie) allying to stop crime in Gotham, leaving some hope for the future.

Now, the third movie focuses on the gangsters. Harvey Dent becomes obsessed with taking down Falcone, while Batman also tries to stop the gangsters from destroying Gotham City. The tagline could even be "I believe in Gotham City." Maroni is finally convicted, but he scars Harvey in court. Harvey goes to the hospital, Batman dealing with Joker escaping from Arkham, Harvey escapes, finds Falcone. Now we could have a stand down with Batman, Joker, Falcone, and Two-Face. Two-Face flips his coin; it lands on the scarred side. He shoots Falcone twice in the head and he escapes. Batman goes to pursue Two-Face, but Joker blocks him and starts lauging manically before saying something like "It's too late, Batman. Gotham belongs to the freaks now. Like him, me...and you." Batman and Joker fight; Batman takes down Joker (something symbolic of Batman conquering his fear) and pursues Two-Face only to find that he's turned himself in saying darkly that "Justice has been done." And, we find Batman standing alone on the building where the first two ended and saying "I believe in justice." "I believe in putting fear...into those who prey on the fearful." Then, we see flashbacks of Batman's father. Batman finally takes his mask off revealing Wayne's face as he looks out over the Gotham City skyline. "I believe in Gotham City." Cue credits.

i dont think they will leave a cliffhanger for movie 4]
maybe a possible 4th like potc

[lixdexia]

honestly, i hope they don't follow TLH religiously. don't get me wrong, it was a great book, and i liked harvey'e story, it just didn't feel like two face, it was scared harvey. i'd like to see him second guessing him self and fliping the coin (which i don't think he used to make a choice once in TLH)

[EvilDeadAlive]

This is my Two-Face teaser.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twofaceteaser.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

This is my Two-Face teaser.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twofaceteaser.jpg

NICE poster! Good work!

[itsthebatman]

honestly, i hope they don't follow TLH religiously. don't get me wrong, it was a great book, and i liked harvey'e story, it just didn't feel like two face, it was scared harvey. i'd like to see him second guessing him self and fliping the coin (which i don't think he used to make a choice once in TLH)
first shot of Two-Face in TLH.
http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/13p23.jpg
After the killing. Note the coin scarred face up.
http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/13p29.jpg

[Doc Holliday]

honestly, i hope they don't follow TLH religiously. don't get me wrong, it was a great book, and i liked harvey'e story, it just didn't feel like two face, it was scared harvey. i'd like to see him second guessing him self and fliping the coin (which i don't think he used to make a choice once in TLH)

If he second guesses himself after he flips the coin, it defeats his entire character. He has to use that coin to make any choice, so if he second guesses it, it means he's not Two Face anymore.

[Two-Face]

This is my Two-Face teaser.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twofaceteaser.jpg


That's great work. :up:

[nightwing07]

is there any christian bale update?
pics maybe?

[ghost_x]

Christian Bale update in a Harvey Dent thread, really?!

[nightwing07]

batman is far more important than harvey
duh!

[ghost_x]

but we are in a HARVEY DENT thread!

[nightwing07]

well were is the batman thread ?
huh

[ghost_x]

In the Batman Forum,

*walks away slowly*

[Batman FREAK]

^ Nice.

[itsthebatman]

Anyone else heard read 'Eye of the Beholder'?

[regwec]

I think I had an argument about it before, but I really can't remember now.

[itsthebatman]

I think I had an argument about it before, but I really can't remember now.
It's damn good. TLH borrows quite heavily from it, and I would love to see elements of it incorprated into TDK.
BTW, do you ever NOt argue about something?:woot:

[regwec]

I try to be a peaceful fellow, but I am one of those people who find it difficult to let a feeble or incorrect pronouncement slip by, particularly when it is aggressively expressed.

Why don't you give us a summary of the story?

[Rezzo]

This is my Two-Face teaser.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twofaceteaser.jpg

Hm don´t like the scaring being that extreme, so perhaps you can improve on the scaring cause it seems a bit too extreme

[Batman FREAK]

^ Have to agree...

[itsthebatman]

I try to be a peaceful fellow, but I am one of those people who find it difficult to let a feeble or incorrect pronouncement slip by, particularly when it is aggressively expressed.

Why don't you give us a summary of the story?
I will indeed. Just gonna read it again to get a better feel for it, only got it today. I will also try to avoid any feeble or incorrect announcements:cwink: . Although at least I only express them meekly.

[FlawlessVictory]

Not too sure what to make of this. Maybe more Two-Face in this film than we think? This is from the official TDK IMAX Press Release:

The follow-up to the action hit "Batman Begins," "The Dark Knight" reunites director Christopher Nolan and star Christian Bale, who reprises the role of Batman/Bruce Wayne. In the new film, Batman raises the stakes in his war on crime. With the help of Lieutenant Jim Gordon and District Attorney Harvey Dent, Batman sets out to dismantle the remaining criminal organizations that plague the city streets. The partnership proves to be effective, but they soon find themselves prey to a reign of chaos unleashed by a rising criminal mastermind known to the terrified citizens of Gotham as The Joker.

The film also stars Academy Award winner Michael Caine ("The Cider House Rules") as Alfred; Academy Award nominee Heath Ledger ("Brokeback Mountain") as arch-villain The Joker; Gary Oldman as Lieutenant Jim Gordon; Aaron Eckhart as District Attorney Harvey Dent, who becomes better known as another of Batman's arch-nemeses, Two-Face; Maggie Gyllenhaal as Rachel Dawes; and Oscar winner Morgan Freeman ("Million Dollar Baby") as Lucius Fox.

http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=5762

[Bond]

Maybe we will see Two-Face at the end of TDK!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

[azbats]

I suppose it's possible. It would be a really cool cliffhanger with him getting doused with acid at the end.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I suppose it's possible. It would be a really cool cliffhanger with him getting doused with acid at the end.
He gets doused with acid long before the ending.

[theShape]

He gets doused with acid long before the ending.

Yeah? Where'd you hear this news from, buddy?

[EvilDeadAlive]

Hm don´t like the scaring being that extreme, so perhaps you can improve on the scaring cause it seems a bit too extreme


I like it like that. To me is should be sick looking. It sould look like when it started to burn skin started to fall off his face. Very gross like. So sick that when Some one looks at that side it would make you sick to your soul. Kinda like...
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twoface.jpg

[Doc Holliday]

I like it like that. To me is should be sick looking. It sould look like when it started to burn skin started to fall off his face. Very gross like. So sick that when Some one looks at that side it would make you sick to your soul. Kinda like...
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twoface.jpg

I like it alot, it reminds me of TLH Two Face, and I love the art in that book. All of it. It's beautiful.

[lixdexia]

If he second guesses himself after he flips the coin, it defeats his entire character. He has to use that coin to make any choice, so if he second guesses it, it means he's not Two Face anymore. not after but before, what i mean to say is that he would need the coin to make the decision. and as itsthebatman pointed he did use it, but i'd like him to explain why he's using it, only once, but i think knowing that and why he uses it are important to the character

[Steelsheen]

This is my Two-Face teaser.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twofaceteaser.jpg

pretty good concept you got here :up:

[CrashNburn]

i hope it doesnt look like that

[Rezzo]

I like it like that. To me is should be sick looking. It sould look like when it started to burn skin started to fall off his face. Very gross like. So sick that when Some one looks at that side it would make you sick to your soul. Kinda like...
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twoface.jpg

Could be still sick looking without being that extreme

[$G-mOnEy$]

Yeah there are ways of making something look sickening without making it look like something out of a horror movie. Good job on the manip, but I personally don't think he should look anything like that.

[itsthebatman]

'Eye of the Beholder', anyway. It starts with Harvey Dent, waking up from a nightmare, involving a spinning coin, and it's about this father. He has just visited his father, who is a down-and-out by this stage, and received a silver dollar from him. Captain Gordon is pursuing a serial killer who targets old people (reminded me of mr Lime from the LOTDK arc 'Blades'). There is a report of suspicious activity at the nursing home, and Batman,
arriving at the scen, apprehends a Dr. Klemper, whoc happily confesses to the crimes (having by now destroyed the evidence). The doc goes on trial, prosecuted by Dent, but in the end, there isn't enough evidence to stick him away, and a 'Not Guilty' verdict is returned.
Afterwards, Klemper tells Dent he did commit the murders, and was able to remain calm during the trial because he buried his psychopathic personality and allowed his other, respectable personality to come to the surface. He tells Dent he senses this kind of conflict in him, and tells Dent he should release it. Dent does so by blowing up Klemper's house with him in it.
It's a week later, and Dent and Gordon are on a rooftop, where Gordon is going to introduce Dent to Batman. There are no leads in the Klemper killing. A deal is struck, where Batman will pursue his investigations where the police cannot go and then Dent will prosecute on the basis of evidence gathered. This leads to a tremendous increase in the prosecution rate, and it seems likely Dent will be re-elected as DA. It then emerges that his assistant, Adrian Fields, is in the pocket of Vincent Maroni, the kingpin of Gotham, with a view to Fields being elected in Dents place and becoming the mobs pet DA. It becomes apparent that Maroni is going to jail, and he decided to throw acid in Dent's face at the trail as a going
away present (won't get a gun in). Meanwhile, the pressures are telling on Dent, who is having more nightmares, and suggests to Batman that he kill a suspect who got out on bail.
Bats relays his fears to Gordon, who has been somewhat out of the loop. Batman thinks Harvey has gone too far, and decides to end the relationship.
At the trial, the scarring occurs as we all know. Harvey wakes up scarred in the hospital, where Batman visits him and tells him Fields arranged the attack. He says this will be their last case together, that he decided to cut all ties even before the attack. Harvey escapesfrom prison the following day and hunts down Fields. Batman crashes in through the window, a fight ensues, Fields is killed. Harv knocks Bats unconscious, and goes off to find his father. Gordon and the police arrive and wake Batman, who pursues Dent to the seedy motel where he has confronted his father and blamed him for his current state of affairs. Bats arrives just as Harvey tosses the coin, which lands good side up, sparing his fathers life.
Cut to Arkham, in a scene reminiscent of the end of 'Psycho'. A doctor is explaining whathappened to Gordon. It emerges that Harvey was
abused by his father as a child, and devleoped a schizophrenic personality, which was suppressed when he took an interest in law and began to practise it. His recent visit tohis father retriggered his memories, with the dollar acting as a catalyst for the bad side to emerge. Combined with the acid and the pressures of work, this led to the creation
of Two-Face. The doctor then tells us that plastic surgery has restored Harveys appearance. We see Harvey in his cell, looking good and reading books. Then his second personality rears its head again and compels him to disfigure the left side of his face with his nails.
Yuck,
And that's that.
Comments? thoughts?

[regwec]

Sounds good. Combined with Jekyll and Hyde it offers a more cerebral exploration of Dent than The Long Halloween. I suppose that EOTB and J & H make less effort to stress Harvey's heroic side, which is interesting.

[itsthebatman]

What's Jekyll and Hyde? Also, have you read Crime and Punishment? It's a one-shot I heard good things about and bought on e-bay, should arrive soon.
Definitely, EOTB delved more into Harvey's inner personality and the effects of his childhood than TLH did. He's certainly not a golden boy in this depiction. TLH borrowed certain elements including the Fields subplot. I should also add that Gilda is in this story, but far less prominently than in TLH.

[regwec]

Jekyll and Hyde was a miniseries in which Harvey attempted to "free" Batman by chemically inducing insanity in him, as well as most of Gotham. It also focused on his childhood a lot, and introduced a new element in the form of an ill-behaved brother who Harvey inadvertantly killed in a house fire. Its coolest moment was Batman fighting a laboratory baboon.

Also worth reading is Two Face's return to evil after the events of Infinate Crisis.

[itsthebatman]

Jekyll and Hyde was a miniseries in which Harvey attempted to "free" Batman by chemically inducing insanity in him, as well as most of Gotham. It also focused on his childhood a lot, and introduced a new element in the form of an ill-behaved brother who Harvey inadvertantly killed in a house fire. Its coolest moment was Batman fighting a laboratory baboon.

Also worth reading is Two Face's return to evil after the events of Infinate Crisis.
Hopefully they will find a role for the baboon in BB3.
I've read the Face the Face TPB, if that's what you're referring to. Not bad, but not classic. Is Jekyll and Hyde available as a TPB, do you know?

[regwec]

I imagine it must be- it was quite beautifully drawn.

[EvilDeadAlive]

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twos.jpg

[Jinnobi]

I like your idea, can't wait to see Harvey in TDK.

[Borat]

since Nolan is all about realism i hope he actually pours acid on someones face and see what happens. then whatever the outcome is just duplicate it on Eckhart.

[StorminNorman]

since Nolan is all about realism i hope he actually pours acid on someones face and see what happens. then whatever the outcome is just duplicate it on Eckhart.

brilliant :up:

[strikezone89]

I like it like that. To me is should be sick looking. It sould look like when it started to burn skin started to fall off his face. Very gross like. So sick that when Some one looks at that side it would make you sick to your soul. Kinda like...
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Rayzir/twoface.jpg
its really nice to see a manip of two face without freddy krueger lol
but i think the scarring is VERY VERY extreme.
other than that its good

[itsthebatman]

since Nolan is all about realism i hope he actually pours acid on someones face and see what happens. then whatever the outcome is just duplicate it on Eckhart.
I know this is obvious, but....
Joel Schumacher?

[ghost_x]

since Nolan is all about realism i hope he actually pours acid on someones face and see what happens. then whatever the outcome is just duplicate it on Eckhart.

Are you volunteering?

[Keyser Soze]

Jekyll and Hyde was a miniseries in which Harvey attempted to "free" Batman by chemically inducing insanity in him, as well as most of Gotham. It also focused on his childhood a lot, and introduced a new element in the form of an ill-behaved brother who Harvey inadvertantly killed in a house fire. Its coolest moment was Batman fighting a laboratory baboon.

Also worth reading is Two Face's return to evil after the events of Infinate Crisis.

I spotted "Face The Face" in TPB form. However, I already have Detective Comics 820 as a single comic.

I was thinking therefore of just buying the single issue of Batman focusing on Harvey Dent, where he transforms back into Two-Face. Is this the best issue in the "Face The Face" arc?

[Keyser Soze]

What's Jekyll and Hyde? Also, have you read Crime and Punishment? It's a one-shot I heard good things about and bought on e-bay, should arrive soon.
Definitely, EOTB delved more into Harvey's inner personality and the effects of his childhood than TLH did. He's certainly not a golden boy in this depiction. TLH borrowed certain elements including the Fields subplot. I should also add that Gilda is in this story, but far less prominently than in TLH.

It was ME you heard good things about "Crime & Punishment" from! I hope you enjoy it! :woot:

[itsthebatman]

It was ME you heard good things about "Crime & Punishment" from! I hope you enjoy it! :woot:
Thanks man! It got posted yesterday.
The issue where he turns back into Tw-Face is good, but I also enjoyed the last one, where Batman and Robin have to confront him. If you can find it cheap, get the whole collection.
Have you read Eye of the Beholder (did I hear good things about that from you as well, can't rememebr, possibly early onset Alzheimers!:woot: ).

[Keyser Soze]

Thanks man! It got posted yesterday.
The issue where he turns back into Tw-Face is good, but I also enjoyed the last one, where Batman and Robin have to confront him. If you can find it cheap, get the whole collection.
Have you read Eye of the Beholder (did I hear good things about that from you as well, can't rememebr, possibly early onset Alzheimers!:woot: ).

No, haven't read "Eye of the Beholder". And thanks for telling me about the best issues in the "Face the Face" arc. I'll be getting them, along with the two Riddler stories and the Poison Ivy story from Dini's Detective run when I'm out tomorrow.

[itsthebatman]

No, haven't read "Eye of the Beholder". And thanks for telling me about the best issues in the "Face the Face" arc. I'll be getting them, along with the two Riddler stories and the Poison Ivy story from Dini's Detective run when I'm out tomorrow.
V good. Great take on his origin which heavily influenced TLH.

[regwec]

You should really try to find every issue of Detective Comics written by Dini. He can do no wrong. He even managed to make me un-pi$$ed off with Arnold Wesker's death.

[itsthebatman]

You should really try to find every issue of Detective Comics written by Dini. He can do no wrong. He even managed to make me un-pi$$ed off with Arnold Wesker's death.
Thank you, kind sir. Is the Detective TPB out yet?

[regwec]

Not sure- I do it the old fashioned and expensive way. :(

[ghost_x]

Goddamn I hate TPB. I have to read the comic or nothing. It just doesn't feel the same

[marcofthebeast]

Yeah the detective tpb is out.

[itsthebatman]

Goddamn I hate TPB. I have to read the comic or nothing. It just doesn't feel the same
What can I say. I'm a lazy SOB, I go for a couple of months without buying anything, then buy a load of TPBs and gorge on them all day.
And there are no ads. Just pure comic.

[Untilteld]

Maybe they'll pull a Harry in Spider-Man 3 for the scarring of Harvey's face.

[Keyser Soze]

Maybe they'll pull a Harry in Spider-Man 3 for the scarring of Harvey's face.

What, his face gets fried by a pumpkin bomb? :woot:

[itsthebatman]

What, his face gets fried by a pumpkin bomb? :woot:
Heh. Two-Face's scarring has to be more dramatic than that.
Got and read Crime and Punishment. Nice read, good delve into his psyche, and into how Batman identifies with him and views him as a tragic figure. Not loving the art - never been a fan of McDaniels, the only art by him that really hits home for me is Batman standing by Vesper Fairchilds grave in the concluding episode of the Fugitive saga.

[mereel]

Anyone saw Constantine. There is this Character Balthazar Who get's a pretty two-face makeup. Something like that colud work!

[TwilightPro101]

He kind of caught me offguard, but I think he'll prove to be the right one for Two Face when the time is right.

[Amazing Afroman]

http://www.66batman.com/member_art_thedollarguy/EbayArt6.jpg

From http://www.66batman.com/member_art_thedollarguy.html

[mereel]

Looks like an old man.

[mereel]

His Joker looks like Christopher Walken

[cerealkiller182]

i like the scarring on that face

[mereel]

Maybe a little more work in the left eye so it doesn't look to similar to the right one.

[Steelsheen]

first photos of Aaron Eckhart as Harvy Dent:

http://lh6.google.com/image/JoshAndJoanna/RnJaB2JkH9I/AAAAAAAACGs/Lo5knvG-C-0/DSC_0655.JPG?imgmax=576

http://lh3.google.com/image/JoshAndJoanna/RnJaDGJkH-I/AAAAAAAACG0/tE446UjJIjo/DSC_0658.JPG?imgmax=576

http://lh3.google.com/image/JoshAndJoanna/RnJaEGJkH_I/AAAAAAAACG8/qiw1j4hSfFg/DSC_0659.JPG?imgmax=576

[ghost_x]

That's Maggie as well! Don't leave her out

[mereel]

Is the one with the striped purple tie? :wow:

[Steelsheen]

That's Maggie as well! Don't leave her out

yeah i posted the pictures in the Rachel thread :)

Is the one with the striped purple tie? :wow:

yes

[Two-Face]

Very nice pics but I wish we could see a close up hopefully soon.

[ghost_x]

Dent's tie is more Joker than Jokers attire so far

[Keyser Soze]

Is Dent's hand on Rachel's back?

Man, Rachel likes hooking up with the DA's, doesn't she? Is that how she keeps her ADA job?

[Sam18]

Is Dent's hand on Rachel's back?

Man, Rachel likes hooking up with the DA's, doesn't she? Is that how she keeps her ADA job?

Yeah she's a major whore.

[ghost_x]

Is Dent's hand on Rachel's back?

Man, Rachel likes hooking up with the DA's, doesn't she? Is that how she keeps her ADA job?

Well, it certainly wasn't her law skills :csad:

[ToddIsDead]

Dent's tie is more Joker than Jokers attire so far

:up::up:

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah she's a major whore.

Maybe she has sex with The Joker, and gives birth to twins...ah no wait wrong superhero. :woot:

[mereel]

I would prefer see Harley and the Joker.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!

[Dark Knight]

Yeah she's a major whore.



LOL....Nothing compared to Raimis version of Mary Jane Watson though! :D

[Stringer]

Nice:up: And yeah Mary Jane was much more of a hoe

[mereel]

Seein that this is becoming more a Rachel Daws Thread, I left you this image. Is not much, hope you like it

http://img161.imagevenue.com/loc376/th_34977_The_Dark_Knight_-_Two-Face_122_376lo.jpg (http://img161.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=34977_The_Dark_Knight_-_Two-Face_122_376lo.jpg)

[Shoemeister]

http://img161.imagevenue.com/loc376/th_34977_The_Dark_Knight_-_Two-Face_122_376lo.jpg (http://img161.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=34977_The_Dark_Knight_-_Two-Face_122_376lo.jpg)

Very nice work!

I'm lovin' these set photos. Eckhart's gonna be frickin' great, and so is Maggie.

[Caliber]

Dent's tie is more Joker than Jokers attire so far

How do you know since there is no pic of Joker besides his face? Cool to see that Dent knows Rachel. It would be interesting to see them together.

[mereel]

Maybe Harvey is Daltonic! :woot:

[regwec]

Dent's tie is more Joker than Jokers attire so far

You beat me to it.

[mereel]

Maybe is iconic! Purple much often is use in Villians. Maybe is to say that there is something evil in him...............and We know is true!

[TheBat812]

Looking at the camera angle, it might be another Wayne in disguise, spying on them. But maybe it's just an odd camera angle.

[Excel]

http://lh3.google.com/image/JoshAndJoanna/RnJaEGJkH_I/AAAAAAAACG8/qiw1j4hSfFg/DSC_0659.JPG?imgmax=576

^BALE!

[Two-Face]

Where? All I saw is Eckhart.

[Two-Face]

I seen now.

[Excel]

you think its him?

[Bond]

Which one do ya'll think is him?

[Excel]

tall guy with black hair nice suit crowd on the left way taller than them.

[Two-Face]

you think its him?

There is a guy with black tie and grey shirt, I think that's Bale allright.

[Bond]

I don't think that's him.

That guy appears to be wearing glasses and I also don't think Bale is that tall.

I thought ya'll were talking about this guy, who IMO looks more like Bale than the other guy:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/Mr_J_20/DSC_0659.jpg

[Excel]

oh; im referring to the dude in a blue suit right above the taxis front hood, back to use but face turned?

[Two-Face]

I don't think that's him.

That guy appears to be wearing glasses and I also don't think Bale is that tall.

I thought ya'll were talking about this guy, who IMO looks more like Bale than the other guy:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/Mr_J_20/DSC_0659.jpg



That's the guy I was talking about, the one red circle.

[Excel]

yeha; he does look like bale though bale i think is a bit taller and thiner...stunt dude maybe???

[Bond]

That's the guy I was talking about, the one red circle.
Ohh I see. I think that's actually Bale.

[Two-Face]

Ohh I see. I think that's actually Bale.

That is Bale.

[ghost_x]

How do you know since there is no pic of Joker besides his face? Cool to see that Dent knows Rachel. It would be interesting to see them together.

I'll leave you to do research before you ask that question again

[ghost_x]

You beat me to it.

Gotta be quicker with that mouse reg

[ghost_x]

Maybe is iconic! Purple much often is use in Villians. Maybe is to say that there is something evil in him...............and We know is true!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/Barneythedino.jpg



you may be on to something...

[mereel]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/Barneythedino.jpg



you may be on to something...


HAAAA! The devil!!

[Bat Brain]

Doesn't look like bale to me:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5939/dsc0659fc1.jpg

[Steelsheen]

Doesn't look like bale to me:
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nope its Eckhart.

thats why its in this thread ;)

[Bat Brain]

I don't think that's him.

That guy appears to be wearing glasses and I also don't think Bale is that tall.

I thought ya'll were talking about this guy, who IMO looks more like Bale than the other guy:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/Mr_J_20/DSC_0659.jpg

nope its Eckhart.

thats why its in this thread ;)
;) thanks

[Retroman]

Dent in Chicago, pics courtesy courtesy of yunerz..

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1143/539589308_966d65f665_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1431/539589324_3b042ea0d1_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1012/539696333_888f0e6939_b.jpg

SOURCE LINK (http://www.flickr.com/photos/yunatron/sets/72157600351095408/)

[Steelsheen]

thanks Retro!

[diagonbruce]

On the closeup angle its not Christian Bale.

[Lobster Charlie]

Anyone else just a tiny bit annoyed (and I mean a REAL tiny bit) that our new Harvey Dent is a blonde?

I know, a nitpick, but...anyone? :p

[The Mighty Wind]

Anyone else just a tiny bit annoyed (and I mean a REAL tiny bit) that our new Harvey Dent is a blonde?

I know, a nitpick, but...anyone? :p
Lots of people were.

Still haven't a clue why this bothers people. Alfred doesn't have a moustache, nor is he balding, Bruce doesn't have a square jaw, scarecrow didn't wear a hat, Jim Gordon's hair was brown, not red, Bruce's brown, not black, Alfred's white, not black.

And yet, a blonde Harvey Dent is Sacriledge to fanboys everywhere.

[Lobster Charlie]

Hah, great points. :)

[Goran]

Is this an official movie still??
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/kokigoran/Dark%20Knight/harvey.jpg

[Kaizer]

Is this an official movie still??
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/kokigoran/Dark%20Knight/harvey.jpg

that´s probably from thank you for smoking

[Dark Sentinel]

Is this an official movie still??
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/kokigoran/Dark%20Knight/harvey.jpg

Nope, it's from Thank You For Smoking.

speaking of pictures, can anyone see if they can make a Two-Face manip using the new spypics of Eckhart and Gylenhaal? i dont know if there's a good shot of his left side but it couldnt hurt right?