Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Laber79]

I don't know if this has been discussed yet but there are rumors that Harvey is proclaiming himself as Batman to fool the Joker but was Harvey anywhere near Gotham during Begins?

[regwec]

I am less bothered by Dent being blonde than I am by his lank, 70s haircut.

[Keyser Soze]

Anyone else just a tiny bit annoyed (and I mean a REAL tiny bit) that our new Harvey Dent is a blonde?

I know, a nitpick, but...anyone? :p

I don't mind that he's blonde. He is "Apollo" after all. :cwink:

[mereel]

Well, he was black in the first Batman and no one complaint.

[regwec]

No one complained?

[itsthebatman]

No one complained?
Well, everyone got over it. You were five at the time - how do you know?:huh:

[Keyser Soze]

Well, everyone got over it. You were five at the time - how do you know?:huh:

I think that regwec was just born as a grumpy old woman. :joker:

[donk70]

I actually like the casting of Eckart as Dent. I'm almost as anxious for a Two Face pic as I am for a good Joker pic

[itsthebatman]

I actually like the casting of Eckart as Dent. I'm almost as anxious for a Two Face pic as I am for a good Joker pic
*suffers massive coronary attack*
My God, did you say something POSITIVE?
j/k:oldrazz:
Seriously, I doubt if we'll see any advance Two-Face. I personally think he's unlikely to appear in this flick, except near the end, so no point revealing his appearance now.
But I hear ya. Really looking forward to Eckhart's performance.

[itsthebatman]

I think that regwec was just born as a grumpy old woman. :joker:
http://people.csail.mit.edu/~hammond/comic/angry_old_woman.jpg
Actual photo of regwec as a baby.
EDIT: Regwec, please don't send the League of Assassins after me.

[donk70]

*suffers massive coronary attack*
My God, did you say something POSITIVE?
j/k:oldrazz:
Seriously, I doubt if we'll see any advance Two-Face. I personally think he's unlikely to appear in this flick, except near the end, so no point revealing his appearance now.
But I hear ya. Really looking forward to Eckhart's performance.

I was thinking that too. Perhaps he's injured at the end of the film and the next movie is about his decent into evilness.

Anyways, he's gotta be better than Tommy Lee Jones

[Keyser Soze]

I was thinking that too. Perhaps he's injured at the end of the film and the next movie is about his decent into evilness.

Anyways, he's gotta be better than Tommy Lee Jones

The fact that we'll actually be getting to see him as Harvey Dent makes him better than Tommy Lee Jones by default. :cwink:

But speaking of Eckhart, here was a fun little detail from the recent spy report that I thought was amusing:

"Tonight was an outdoor scene with Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent doing a political ad that was to be played on a TV in the background during the movie. Since there would be no audio of it in the movie, he was screwing around and yelling random stuff like he was going to go to Washington D.C. and to bring us Grilled Cheese sandwiches. He was a riot."

[donk70]

The fact that we'll actually be getting to see him as Harvey Dent makes him better than Tommy Lee Jones by default. :cwink:

But speaking of Eckhart, here was a fun little detail from the recent spy report that I thought was amusing:

"Tonight was an outdoor scene with Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent doing a political ad that was to be played on a TV in the background during the movie. Since there would be no audio of it in the movie, he was screwing around and yelling random stuff like he was going to go to Washington D.C. and to bring us Grilled Cheese sandwiches. He was a riot."
Yeah, I saw that too.

[Mr. Socko]

There was no huge backlash about a black Dent in the first film because there was no internet back then :oldrazz:

I think a blonde Dent is cool, no problems here. Oh and I found this pic on deviant art, yeah I know no one wants a half-purple face again but I thought I would just point it out cause they used a blonde Dent and it's a real nice painting.

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/22053105/?qo=152&q=Frank+Miller&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5

[mereel]

Yeah, I've allready seen this images, I don't remember if here or some other part. Is good, but like the one posted in page 69 by Amazing Afroman, looks like an old man.

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/300W/fs7.deviantart.com/i/2005/234/b/5/Heads_ya_dead_by_BillCorbett.jpg

http://www.66batman.com/member_art_thedollarguy/EbayArt6.jpg

[regwec]

Well, everyone got over it. You were five at the time - how do you know?:huh:

I listen to repetative anecdotes from crusty old people like you. :cwink:

[Ronny Shade]

I think Eckhart is a bad choice

[darknite17]

Now that I have seen the set pics of Harvey, im beggining to doubt the choice of Ekhart. His performance had better carry him. Clive Owen any day.

[Ronny Shade]

Wait...how is Clive Owen better?

[Bond]

People want Clive Owen to play every role ever made.

[The Mighty Wind]

Now that I have seen the set pics of Harvey, im beggining to doubt the choice of Ekhart. His performance had better carry him. Clive Owen any day.
Set pics of an actor, while not peforming, have you in doubt?


Just to clarify.

[Ronny Shade]

People want Clive Owen to play every role ever made.
People are stupid

[Bond]

People are stupid
Well said.

[regwec]

If it was up to message board users, every female role in films would be played by Scarlett Johansen, with Clive Owen opposite her.

[Two-Face]

Oh that was funny, doubting the performance of an actor based on set pics is just stupid.

[Ronny Shade]

Oh that was funny, doubting the performance of an actor based on set pics is just stupid.
I'd rather doubt it based on his past performances.

[Bond]

If it was up to message board users, every female role in films would be played by Scarlett Johansen, with Clive Owen opposite her.
Exactly. :up:.

[Two-Face]

I'd rather doubt it based on his past performances.

Yeah that makes more sense. :up:

[darknite17]

Maybe Owen isnt that great. But to give Harvey blonde floppy hair does not feel right thats all. Theres plenty of american actors out there, but ekhart got the nod so im sure he's gonna be great.

[regwec]

I don't have any quibbles with the casting of a blonde actor in the part, but if it was up to me, I would probably have cut Eckhart's hair so that its effect was more muted, a la Daniel Craig as Bond.

[darknite17]

I suppose on a sub-con level blonde hair equals Master Race.... in Nazi ****ing Germany!

[mereel]

It's symbolic. They will make their other half with black hair to denote Evilness.

[itsthebatman]

I listen to repetative anecdotes from crusty old people like you. :cwink:
Don't insult your elders.:cwink: You may rely on their good faith some day... perhaps to abuse it for your own ends.

[Saint]

I don't have any quibbles with the casting of a blonde actor in the part, but if it was up to me, I would probably have cut Eckhart's hair so that its effect was more muted, a la Daniel Craig as Bond.

Yeah. Like with Bale, I would have preferred if they had dyed his hair black, but not enough that I care that they didn't.

[360sculptguy]

A couple things I was wondering about. We see a milder version of Dent's personality conflict in the comics before he becomes Two Face, yes?

If so... What was the most morally questionable thing he did before he became two Face? Anything really? or just some dark thoughts?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

What was the most morally questionable thing he did before he became two Face? Anything really? or just some dark thoughts?

I believe in TLH Harvey contemplated killing people in the Falcone/Maroni associations pre-acid splash. He snapped at Gilda once when she questioned him about a piece of evidence (Holiday's pistol) that he brought home.

[mereel]

There is no definitive story about Two-Face Personality before the accident.
In some parts is put as a Abused child, others put him with repressed anger. I believe the first stories show him normal (without any dark background) and after the acid he goes insane. We just have to wait and see how well Nolan play with the psicology of the good Harv.

[TheBatman072]

I, personally, think he should have just a hint of a dark side before his downfall throughout the movie.

[smatt584]

I believe in TLH Harvey contemplated killing people in the Falcone/Maroni associations pre-acid splash. He snapped at Gilda once when she questioned him about a piece of evidence (Holiday's pistol) that he brought home.

I thought at the end of TLH, his wife lets the reader know that Dent did kill as holiday. She mentioned him coming home with wet hair when he was wearing a hat and the pistol he had wasn't evidence because batman and Gordon didn't know anything about that one. So either he did kill or he was going to before he became Two-face. I figured that was why the calender man kept referring to the killer as he and she, because he somehow knew. That guy was just a wussy ripoff of Hannibal Lecter anyway.

[Karea07]

I believe in Aaron Eckhart

[strider]

I believe in Aaron Eckhart

ditto...


best avi on these lame boards by the way.

[mereel]

Aaron Eckhart, I don't trust him........his a Two-Face. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

[Judson Caspian]

Yeah, I've allready seen this images, I don't remember if here or some other part. Is good, but like the one posted in page 69 by Amazing Afroman, looks like an old man.

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/300W/fs7.deviantart.com/i/2005/234/b/5/Heads_ya_dead_by_BillCorbett.jpg

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3422/johnno9.jpg

[itsthebatman]

A couple things I was wondering about. We see a milder version of Dent's personality conflict in the comics before he becomes Two Face, yes? ?
It depends on the comic. Eye of the Beholder (Batman Annual #14) played it up more than Long Halloween.

If so... What was the most morally questionable thing he did before he became two Face? Anything really? or just some dark thoughts?
In Eye of the Beholder, he killed a mass murderer who had just been acquitted due to lack of evidence.

[TheBatman072]

I thought at the end of TLH, his wife lets the reader know that Dent did kill as holiday. She mentioned him coming home with wet hair when he was wearing a hat and the pistol he had wasn't evidence because batman and Gordon didn't know anything about that one. So either he did kill or he was going to before he became Two-face. I figured that was why the calender man kept referring to the killer as he and she, because he somehow knew. That guy was just a wussy ripoff of Hannibal Lecter anyway.


TLH SPOILERS(just in case)







It was the three of them. Harvey, Gilda, and Alberto. WHEN each of them was Holiday? I can't remember. I THINK it went Gilda, Harvey, then Alberto. Becuase he got caught.

[itsthebatman]

TLH SPOILERS(just in case)







It was the three of them. Harvey, Gilda, and Alberto. WHEN each of them was Holiday? I can't remember. I THINK it went Gilda, Harvey, then Alberto. Becuase he got caught.
Theories galore here.
I think Alberto and Harvey. Gilda was spoofin'.
http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/biosetc.html

[TheBatman072]

Theories galore here.
I think Alberto and Harvey. Gilda was spoofin'.
http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/biosetc.html


That Tim Sale page was cool. Thanks for posting it.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

On the subject of Gilda Dent, did she:

A. Leave town
B. Commit suicide
C. Two-Face (NOT HARVEY DENT) killed her

Which one? The ending kinda confused me, and wasn't elaborated on much in DV, except by Mrs. Gordon.

[Batman jr.]

Maybe Owen isnt that great. But to give Harvey blonde floppy hair does not feel right thats all. Theres plenty of american actors out there, but ekhart got the nod so im sure he's gonna be great.

I don't see Clive Owen as Dent.

1) he looks dull & bored all the time
2) so I just can't see him as a schizophrenic DA


Besides, some people, long after Craig was cast, wanted him for Bond, even though he never wanted the part and actually supported Craig. I'm glad he isn't Bond and won't be Dent.

Why not Owen for: Batman, Joker, Gordon, Alfred, Robin, Riddler, Black Mask, Mad Hatter...


He isn't as talented as Gary Oldman, who actually could play all of those characters in my opinion :cwink:

[SpinyNorman]

The plot of TLH is full of a lot of holes. I mean, that same night that his hair was wet was the night Alberto faked his death, right? So did Harvey miss? Was he involved at all? When did Gilda kill and when did Alberto? Did Alberto kill at all, or did he just claim he had?

Somehow I get the impression that this wasn't left up to speculation as much as it was an attempt at a complex plot that didn't pan out so much. Like for all those issues Loeb was saying, "OOOH, who's it gonna be? Who's it gonna be? OOOOH, do you know? Oh, wait, here comes the climax. Uh... Hey, LOOK, A SEAGULL!" *runs away once we turn*

Don't get me wrong, I like it. But it's not without its flaws. I don't think it's enough to base a movie off of.

[itsthebatman]

On the subject of Gilda Dent, did she:

A. Leave town
B. Commit suicide
C. Two-Face (NOT HARVEY DENT) killed her

Which one? The ending kinda confused me, and wasn't elaborated on much in DV, except by Mrs. Gordon.
She fled to New York, where she went to Matt Murdock for help after being blackmailed by the Owl. See :'Daredevil: Yellow' by Loeb and Sale.

[The Caped Knight]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/twoface/06.jpg
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/twoface/09.jpg

Bump

[Steelsheen]

some more pictures of Eckhart:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/tdkaaron.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/tdk.jpg

[Two-Face]

some more pictures of Eckhart:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/tdkaaron.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/tdk.jpg

I can see someone doing a caption for the second picture!

Nice pics.

[mereel]

Two Face;11946950]I can see someone doing a caption for the second picture!

As you wish!

http://img173.imagevenue.com/loc439/th_98737_Picture_Caption_122_439lo.jpg (http://img173.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=98737_Picture_Caption_122_439lo.jpg)

[Two-Face]

Would be great twist if Nolan does it where ewverybody thinking it will Joker or Maroni.:woot:

[Untilteld]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/twoface/06.jpg
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/twoface/09.jpg

Bump

Never really liked TAS look.

[The Count]

Acid in the face or Joker using some tools? How do you think Nolan will create Two-Face?

[Rezzo]

Acid in the face or Joker using some tools? How do you think Nolan will create Two-Face?

Maroni throwing acid at Dent

[The Count]

I know its the original but the idea of Harvey tied to a chair resivoir dogs style whilst Joker says " lets see whats inside" gives me goosebumps. Its the sick Joker we need

[regwec]

Yeah, but I'm not that comfortable with The Joker being written into Dent's origin. It's all a bit 1989.

[StorminNorman]

Theories galore here.
I think Alberto and Harvey. Gilda was spoofin'.
http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/biosetc.html

Why would Gilda spoof to no one? Harvey was never a killer.

[The Count]

Thats a point but it appears thats what we're gonna get

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, but I'm not that comfortable with The Joker being written into Dent's origin. It's all a bit 1989.

But the Joker won't be written into Dent's origin.

The Sides pretty much confirm that.

[regwec]

I know, I was responding to Bauer's idea.

[The Count]

Wasn't there a Joker hint about peeling away the layers in the Harvey Dent Poster teaser?

[Aiden]

some more pictures of Eckhart:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/tdkaaron.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/tdk.jpg
I like how all the ties we've seen Dent in so far have two colours to them. Nice little hint I think

[regwec]

And have you noticed how he has two pockets?

[Keyser Soze]

I can see someone doing a caption for the second picture!

I just did...:word:

[Infinity9999x]

And have you noticed how he has two pockets?

He also has two eyes:wow:

[Aiden]

And have you noticed how he has two pockets?
My, what a coincidence:wow:




:dry:

[Majick Ninja]

Is it just me or does Aaron Eckhart remind anyone else of a young Robert Redford?

[Rezzo]

Is it just me or does Aaron Eckhart remind anyone else of a young Robert Redford?

http://dft.rutgers.edu/burke_web_html_38460c49.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/YurkaCLS55/tdkaaron.jpg

The resemblance is there a bit

[Majick Ninja]

Yeah, seems so.^

The thought popped into my head while watching "The Last Castle" on T.V. last night. GREAT movie btw, very good work by both Redford and James Gandolfini(sp?) in that one...

[Shoemeister]

Yeah, I can see it.

[Mr. Socko]

Eckhart...think about the future.

[Mr. Superhero]

I can't stress how much of a missed opportunity Liev Schreiber is:

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/batman/fanart-schreiber.jpg

(Yeah, I know you've all seen it before; but I'm just reminding you of how awesome he could have been.)

[itsthebatman]

Why would Gilda spoof to no one? Harvey was never a killer.
You just keep telling yourself that, Norm. One day, it might be true.
*pats Norm on head*
*waits for a$$ kicking*
Seriously, try and get your hands on Eye of the Beholder. It shows Harvey seriously f***ed before the job really got to him. Split personality (not as overt as Big Bad Harv), and he does bad things before becoming Two-Face. Well worth a read, and clearly a big influence on his depiction in TLH.

[sasquatchs]

I can't stress how much of a missed opportunity Liev Schreiber is:

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/batman/fanart-schreiber.jpg

(Yeah, I know you've all seen it before; but I'm just reminding you of how awesome he could have been.)

He looks the part but he's kind of a bland actor, Eckhart has a wider range I think

[Keyser Soze]

You just keep telling yourself that, Norm. One day, it might be true.
*pats Norm on head*
*waits for a$$ kicking*
Seriously, try and get your hands on Eye of the Beholder. It shows Harvey seriously f***ed before the job really got to him. Split personality (not as overt as Big Bad Harv), and he does bad things before becoming Two-Face. Well worth a read, and clearly a big influence on his depiction in TLH.

Yes, I think Harvey Dent had serious issues before he ever became Two-Face. But I don't think he was the Holiday Killer. Here's my theory on The Long Halloween:

Gilda Dent - pushed to the edge with concern over Harvey's well-being, and a desperate need for the Falcone case to be over so they can be together again - becomes the Holiday killer. She's the one who kills Johnny Viti, she sneaks out of the hospital to kill the Irish gang, and she shoots Milos. These are the only murders perpetrated by Gilda Dent.

On New Year's Day, Gilda notices that Harvey Dent's hair is wet. She thinks this is because he was out at the boat killing Alberto Falcone. But it is, actually, like Dent said, merely because it was snowing. But Gilda comes to the conclusion that Dent has taken over the killings for her, so she stops.

But she's wrong.

It's not Dent who's taken over. It's Albero Falcone. Under the orders of his father, Carmine Falcone, Alberto has faked his death. And then he becomes the Holiday killer, taking out members of the Maroni family under Falcone's orders. But somewhere along the way, Alberto goes rogue, and starts pursuing the murders for his own reasons.

That's just what I drew from it all, anyway.

[Keyser Soze]

He looks the part but he's kind of a bland actor, Eckhart has a wider range I think

I disagree. I think Eckhart and Schrieber are both great actors. Schrieber was always my choice to play Dent, though in the end I think Eckhart was inspired casting.

[The Count]

Should the scarred side be bald or have hair, and if so what colour?

[itsthebatman]

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/alberto.html
This, to me, is the most convincing explanation of the whole thing. I simply can't believe that Gilda Dent, who we see hooked up to machines mere panels beforehand, manages to sneak out of the hospital on Thanksgiving night, kill the Irish gang, go back to the hospital, and plug herself back in. Harvey was definitely a Holiday killer at the end (Falcone and Fields), whether he committed the first few, I don't know, but don't think so.
Alberto all the way. Means, motive, opportunity.

[strikezone89]

i honestly didnt want liev to be cast.i love eckhart as an actor. watch thank you for smokin to see wut a great actorhe really is.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Ugh, TLH is so overrated...

[StorminNorman]

You just keep telling yourself that, Norm. One day, it might be true.
*pats Norm on head*
*waits for a$$ kicking*
Seriously, try and get your hands on Eye of the Beholder. It shows Harvey seriously f***ed before the job really got to him. Split personality (not as overt as Big Bad Harv), and he does bad things before becoming Two-Face. Well worth a read, and clearly a big influence on his depiction in TLH.

I don't want to read that though because thats not how I see the character. If Harvey Dent isn't truly a great guy, then his character loses all value IMO.

[StorminNorman]

Ugh, TLH is so overrated...

How dare you insult the greatest use of the English language since Thomas Payne's Common Sense! You are a disgrace to everyone on this board. Beg now for mercy. [Tom Wilkonson] Beg, like a dawg. [/Tom Wilkonson]

[Bond]

I think i'm deaf in my left ear.

[StorminNorman]

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/alberto.html
This, to me, is the most convincing explanation of the whole thing. I simply can't believe that Gilda Dent, who we see hooked up to machines mere panels beforehand, manages to sneak out of the hospital on Thanksgiving night, kill the Irish gang, go back to the hospital, and plug herself back in. Harvey was definitely a Holiday killer at the end (Falcone and Fields), whether he committed the first few, I don't know, but don't think so.
Alberto all the way. Means, motive, opportunity.

There is nothing in the story supporting Harvey being the Holiday killer. Gilda Dent says she was responsible for those killing. She isn't doing it to protect Harvey's good name - because she is only telling herself - she is saying it because its the truth.

That website takes a lot of assumptions -such as the idea that Harvey would be any more trained a shot than Gilda. Last I checked marksman ship was not a requirement before passing the bar.

[StorminNorman]

I think i'm deaf in my left ear.

Luckily there isn't an option to audio post - or else my screaming at the TLH hater would of made the right one match. :cmad:

[Bond]

i love TLH

my cue-tip looked like i smeared mustard on it

[StorminNorman]

i love TLH

my cue-tip looked like i smeared mustard on it

tasty

[Infinity9999x]

There is nothing in the story supporting Harvey being the Holiday killer. Gilda Dent says she was responsible for those killing. She isn't doing it to protect Harvey's good name - because she is only telling herself - she is saying it because its the truth.

That website takes a lot of assumptions -such as the idea that Harvey would be any more trained a shot than Gilda. Last I checked marksman ship was not a requirement before passing the bar.

I agree with most of that, except the part that Carmine masterminded the holiday event with his son. I think it's quite clear in Carmine's and Alberto's reactions that Carmine didn't know what his son was doing. Add that to the fact that Alberto didn't want his father's help in defending himself, and Carmine's outburst at his home with his daughter.

[StorminNorman]

I agree with most of that, except the part that Carmine masterminded the holiday event with his son. I think it's quite clear in Carmine's and Alberto's reactions that Carmine didn't know what his son was doing. Add that to the fact that Alberto didn't want his father's help in defending himself, and Carmine's outburst at his home with his daughter.

I don't disagree. Alberto didn't act on his father's word, nor did Harvey act at all.

[Bond]

I didn't get why Alberto said he was Holiday.

[StorminNorman]

because Alberto became Holiday. He noticed his father and all his men started to take this Holiday killer very seriously and saw the rise in power the freaks were having in Gotham. In order to prove his father that he could handle the family business, he decided he had to take on that identity. So he took over for Gilda as Holiday.

[Bond]

I see.

I can't picture Gilda being Holiday though. Like itsthebatman said, there's no way she could unplug herself at the hospital, go kill somebody, then come back and plug herself in without anybody noticing.

I don't even see how Harvey walked out without a scratch after his house got blown up.

[itsthebatman]

I don't want to read that though because thats not how I see the character. If Harvey Dent isn't truly a great guy, then his character loses all value IMO.
It's a great story, and you're missing out. Regard it as an Elseworlds, if you like. But surely you can handle alternative explanations of Harvey's descent into evil?

[Majick Ninja]

The ending of TLH always seemed a bit contrived, however good the rest of the arc was. Just my opinion...

[StorminNorman]

It's a great story, and you're missing out. Regard it as an Elseworlds, if you like. But surely you can handle alternative explanations of Harvey's descent into evil?

Sure. I can still read The Killing Joke even though Alan Moore completely misses Batman's character. Fine stories are always worth reading - even if they miss the proper characterization of certain established characters.

[itsthebatman]

Sure. I can still read The Killing Joke even though Alan Moore completely misses Batman's character. Fine stories are always worth reading - even if they miss the proper characterization of certain established characters.
He does what now?

[StorminNorman]

He does what now?

The last thing Batman would ever do to the Joker right after he shot a defenseless girl in the spine and torture one of his few friends would share bonding time laughing at a joke.

[itsthebatman]

Those last three pages are the essence of the story. Batman reaches out, but Joker pushes back cos he knows he's beyond redemption. Batman is about justice, not vengeance, and will never kill due to his belief in the sanctity of life, so equally he believes nobody is beyond redemption. Otherwise he would kill, right? But Joker is the one soul he cannot save. Joker points out the absurdity of the situation with his joke, and by laughing, Batman acknowleges this, and there is the mutual understanding that one day, yes, their relationship will end with death. But not today.

My take, as told a few days ago on another thread.

[StorminNorman]

Oh I know that there is deeper meaning there, however that doesn't make it feel anymore right. Yes, it provides great commentary about the Batman and the Joker's relationship - but it doesn't accurately reflect the actions the characters would take in such a situation.

[Majick Ninja]

Those last three pages are the essence of the story. Batman reaches out, but Joker pushes back cos he knows he's beyond redemption. Batman is about justice, not vengeance, and will never kill due to his belief in the sanctity of life, so equally he believes nobody is beyond redemption. Otherwise he would kill, right? But Joker is the one soul he cannot save. Joker points out the absurdity of the situation with his joke, and by laughing, Batman acknowleges this, and there is the mutual understanding that one day, yes, their relationship will end with death. But not today.

My take, as told a few days ago on another thread.

I agree 100%, that is the impression that scene gave to me as well. Also, I thought Batman and Joker both mutually acknowledged, if just for one moment, they're alike in that they are both crazy weirdos. And share a laugh over it.

[itsthebatman]

I dunno. I just think it showed Batman at breaking point, and going over that point for a minute or two. Batman has just tried reasoning with Joker, right after Joker had shot Babs, tortured Gordon and would have killed Bats but for having the wrong gun. And Bats still tried to reason with him. By laughing afterwards, Batman allows himself some relief - this bad day will not drive him crazy,but he does need to do SOMETHING crazy to get it out of his system.

[mereel]

Apparently we will see Two-Face in TDK. Someone saw Ekchart during the production and they cover him with a hood for take him out the set. It looks like he saw a very realistic scar in Eckhart's left side face. :wow:

[Batman FREAK]

Hm...could be true. But I'll wait for something more concrete in that regard. :oldrazz:

[Judson Caspian]

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1812/harveydentnd6.jpg

A Harvey Dent avatar I'm supposed to use on another forum. Made his hair more brownish. Forgot to reset the original size though, lol.

[strikezone89]

well hopefully if that thread about the exclusive footage is right, 2face will be in tdk.
YES

[strikezone89]

ive noticed that in the orignal comics dents "bad" side of his face was more green color than red. so do u think nolan will make dents scarring with a little green in it?

[Brian Braddock]

Just asked my dear old mum (who used to be a nurse) what an acid burn looks like - she said it's more likely to be a mixture of red and white.

I asked her about any possiblity of green and she said hell no.

So if it's realism youre after - no green scarring.

[Two-Face]

Apparently we will see Two-Face in TDK. Someone saw Ekchart during the production and they cover him with a hood for take him out the set. It looks like he saw a very realistic scar in Eckhart's left side face. :wow:


What if they are shooting the end of TDK scenes? I don't know if taht's the case.

[mereel]

Well, the case is that we will see him transformed

[SeanZombie]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9854/twofacemanipseanzupdateki4.jpg

Just moving my manip over ;)

[Anguissette1979]

Just moving my manip over ;)

Very good young padawan... you will go far here ;)

[mereel]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9854/twofacemanipseanzupdateki4.jpg

Just moving my manip over ;)

Looks very good! I take my hat hahah

[SeanZombie]

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/439/twofacemanipseanzreduxmu3.jpg

Heres my updated version, Enjoy!

[Steelsheen]

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/439/twofacemanipseanzreduxmu3.jpg

Heres my updated version, Enjoy!

dude if you could find a way to get rid of the mics and change the background this would be perfect.

[SeanZombie]

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4663/twofacemanipseanzreduxpvd5.jpg

I'm still fixing it, not perfect, but what do you think :P.

[Steelsheen]

should he still have his left ear after that acid bath?

[regwec]

I think so. I tend to prefer his sunbed side to look burned rather than skeletal.

[BruceBanner]

Thing about Two-Face is, if the left side of his face is destroyed, surely he'd lose the sight in his left eye too.

[BruceBanner]

Also, should Two-Face wear two-tone clothes?

[JosephMaximus]

Also, should Two-Face wear two-tone clothes?

No. I'm against the two-toned clothes. I'd prefer to see something much more subtle.

[Mr. Socko]

Well he has ALWAYS worn two tone clothes. I definitely think he should even in the film. Although it could be subtly done. In TLH it's more much subtle as one side is a normal business suit and the other side is a different tone with pinstripes. I think that works fine. Then you have BF which he had one side normal business suit and the other side this over the top looking cheetah skin which was anything but subtle.

But in the finale, I definitely want him wearing the classic Black/White suit.

[Saint]

Split suits should definitely be used, but only as they were in BTAS: plain white on one side, plain black on the other. Anything more elaborate looks awkward to my eye.

[BatoutofHell]

How about what one person I think mentioned, that the suit looks like acid had dripped down all over one side?

[Steelsheen]

How about what one person I think mentioned, that the suit looks like acid had dripped down all over one side?
yeah that was Noirman82 (sp?), he said that Eckhart wore a suit that looked like half of it had acid burns through it.

unless Dent is doing that for all his suits from then on, i'm thinking its the same suit he wore at the courtroom.

[BruceBanner]

How about what one person I think mentioned, that the suit looks like acid had dripped down all over one side?

Nah, don't like that idea myself, prefer the black/white idea. Also, think the black and white should be reversed. In the animated series, he wore the white on his good side, and the black on his evil side. Now I understand that PROBABLY means white for good and black for bad, which by some people might be taken as slightly racist, but I think it would look better in reverse, because black jacket and tie and white shirt looks more like normal business wear, and white jacket and tie and black shirt looks more like something a gangster would wear.

[mereel]

There was this video in You Tube about the production of the movie. Suposedly the man geting out of the car is Dent. I can't tell really is too far away. I left the judgment to you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GVHMPIUT3yk

[SeanZombie]

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1609/twofacemanipseanzpurp12qw1.jpg

A Shade of purple ;)

[mereel]

Purple=Evil
I've already said it!

[SeanZombie]

Do you like eet?

[Yurka]

thats sick, I like it but it looks like its still an open wound, i want to see a scarred face, at the end of TDK would be alright to see that ^ but in the next one I would want the burns to have "healed" into scars

[Doc Samson]

I'm actually more excited to see how they treat Two-Face as opposed to the Joker, just for the fact that if they take this ultra-realistic approach with Harvey, as I'm sure they will, I can't see his look or clothing being all that similar to the comics. Whatever his face looks like, I still hope they keep the split-clothes at least...

[Keyser Soze]

I think it's best we settle this now...

We won't be getting the split suit for movie Two-Face.

At least, I don't think we will. The two-tone suit is the most cartoonish aspect of the character, and isn't really one that I'd call a key element. He's called Two-Face, after all, not "Two-Suit".

In all honesty, I could have lived with him just wearing a suit. But a suit that's all ripped and tattered on one side seems like a good translation from comics to film.

[AndrewGilkison]

I see nothing wrong with a two toned suit, because it shows Harvey fully embracing his new idenity.

Just have him take a white suit and a black suit and cut them both in half and have him stitch them together with thread. It would create that realistic "home made" quality.

[Yurka]

I personally really love the idea that they supposedly used when one person was at the set and they saw eckhart in his two-face gear and the left half of his suit had splatters of blood and had some holes from the acid

I think this is an awesome idea

[HopeOfTheFuture]

Not sure if it has been posted in this topic, because I didn't read all 48 pages.

What if the Joker or Scarecrow would use the fear gas on Dent? Would he see/imagine his abusive father? Would be a great way to have character developement in a quick way that requires little screentime.

[SeanZombie]

Not sure if it has been posted in this topic, because I didn't read all 48 pages.

What if the Joker or Scarecrow would use the fear gas on Dent? Would he see/imagine his abusive father? Would be a great way to have character developement in a quick way that requires little screentime.

I would love to see torture Harvey in some way, know everything about his life, make a set of his childhood home with fear gas, and have some thug dress up like his dad to make him go insane. And then he ends up killing the thug thinking its his dad, joker comes over pats him on the back " Congradulations!, You just committed your first murder! "

[psychosully]

I don't know how good the two coloured suit would look. I like the idea of him wearing a dark grey suit and one side having pin stripes. Would look good in my mind.
Although who really thinks that Harvey is going to go out and get a suit custom made to suit his new persona?

[itsthebatman]

I don't know how good the two coloured suit would look. I like the idea of him wearing a dark grey suit and one side having pin stripes. Would look good in my mind.
Although who really thinks that Harvey is going to go out and get a suit custom made to suit his new persona?
He could ask Lucius Fox.
'Two-toned suit, made by Armani. Looks really good in awkward situations, like a themed bank robbery or attempted judge hanging.'
'How much does it cost?'
'$2,000. Never put into production - bean-counters reckoned it wouldn't be bought by enough stupid office workers. But it works just fine.'
'What's that?'
'A giant two-sided coin? You wouldn't be interested in that.'
'Does it come in silver?'.

[fcrowelle06]

The two-toned suit would work well for Two-Face's character, realism doensn't mean to sacrifice their ****in characters

[itsthebatman]

The two-toned suit would work well for Two-Face's character, realism doensn't mean to sacrifice their ****in characters
You gots to chill.

[Two-Face]

There was this video in You Tube about the production of the movie. Suposedly the man geting out of the car is Dent. I can't tell really is too far away. I left the judgment to you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GVHMPIUT3yk


Sounds like thay are saying "Harvey! Harvey!"

[mereel]

Yes, I hear that to. To sad is to far away.

[jimpan.]

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8232/ibelievein2facesn3.jpg

[mereel]

A dark look. Maybe too dark for my taste. And the acid effect looks more like bruces from a terrible fight

[Rezzo]

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8232/ibelievein2facesn3.jpg

Doesn´t look like an acid burn but good effort nonetheless

[BruceBanner]

He seems to have altered the right side of his face too.

[Yurka]

He seems to have altered the right side of his face too.

I noticed that too, it looks different

[PretentiousMan]

lol Nolan will probably have a Two Face who has ONE scar on his cheek and he won't be called Two Face.

[itsthebatman]

lol Nolan will probably have a Two Face who has ONE scar on his cheek and he won't be called Two Face.
No, he's going to be called Two-Face, and set reports indicate his left-side is scarred badly and has boils.
Questions?

[pjspider1C]

So, does anyone have any assumptions about what the Joker has against Harvey Dent? Does anyone have any suspicisions that the Joker might play some sort of part in the creation of Two-Face?

[The Joker]

So, does anyone have any assumptions about what the Joker has against Harvey Dent?

I think Joker is somehow using Harvey as a tool to stir things up between the rival gangs in Gotham.

[pjspider1C]

Maybe one of the strong points of Harvey's campaign is to eliminate crime in Gotham City, starting with the Joker. And in turn, he becomes Joker's target.

[The Joker]

Maybe one of the strong points of Harvey's campaign is to eliminate crime in Gotham City, starting with the Joker. And in turn, he becomes Joker's target.

Since Sal Maroni is in this, I doubt it. There has to be a reason as to why Maroni hates Dent enough to throw acid in his face. Assuming Maroni does do that, of course. Trying to put Maroni out of business would be solid reason.

[pjspider1C]

^ So why does the Joker go after Harvey Dent then? I assume he does because of the whole "I Believe in Harvey Too" de-facing thing...

[The Joker]

^ So why does the Joker go after Harvey Dent then? I assume he does because of the whole "I Believe in Harvey Too" de-facing thing...

As I said, I think Joker is trying to use Harvey to stir things up to his advantage.

[Lord Thanos]

one question:i went out and bought the two face story eye of the beholder,i hav to say inspite of the icredible cover ,and so -so pencils(great detail,yet it felt as if the visual story telling sufferd due to the week script)
this was a real disapontment
the whole issule felt like a string of ideas that never got the time to sit and simmer
the best part and thats not complementing the actual exicuition of the idea just)just the dramatic prospects of it , is when harvey show up to kill his dad,

ps,making him a skitzo kinda blew as well,i like the pain of his scaring and the destrction of his marrage making him snap insted of him being partialy crazy to begin with, it lessens the very tragidy of who he is a how he came to be

any sugestions for me i never realy liked him for some reason but im willing to give him a chance(i can see the potental and appeal,i just want his origin to live up to the visual

[regwec]

And what's the question?

[BruceBanner]

So, does anyone have any assumptions about what the Joker has against Harvey Dent? Does anyone have any suspicisions that the Joker might play some sort of part in the creation of Two-Face?

I don't mind him playing a PART, as long as he isn't the one who throws the acid.

[BruceBanner]

And what's the question?

Good question.

[itsthebatman]

At this rate, they'll be lining up round the block to throw the acid, there are so many suggested candidates. The court should sell tickets.

[Yurka]

I like the one idea thats been thrown around of harvey getting acid thrown on him, then while hes recovering in the hospital the joker pays a visit and mutilates his face while hes in his hospital bed

[bosef982]

I think its more that Harvey will get scarred at the Act Two/Act Three plot point break, usually right before things go to Hell. This would be when the Narrows are opened up in Batman Begins and Wayne Manor burns down. Executed similarily. Dent gets scared, as Gotham burns, audiences are calling in concerned....I think Batman will confront Joker, and then Dent, bandaged, will enter and help Batman, only to sacrifice himself to save the day and allow Batman to get a way. Dent will be presumed dead.

And then we'll have the final scene of him entering, shooting the cops, and leaving in all Two-Face glory.

That'd be the best way to execute it IMHO.

[Bond]

I like the one idea thats been thrown around of harvey getting acid thrown on him, then while hes recovering in the hospital the joker pays a visit and mutilates his face while hes in his hospital bed
I like that idea too.

[TheBat812]

I think its more that Harvey will get scarred at the Act Two/Act Three plot point break, usually right before things go to Hell. This would be when the Narrows are opened up in Batman Begins and Wayne Manor burns down. Executed similarily. Dent gets scared, as Gotham burns, audiences are calling in concerned....I think Batman will confront Joker, and then Dent, bandaged, will enter and help Batman, only to sacrifice himself to save the day and allow Batman to get a way. Dent will be presumed dead.

And then we'll have the final scene of him entering, shooting the cops, and leaving in all Two-Face glory.

That'd be the best way to execute it IMHO.
i think this is a great way to do it. It makes little sense to have Joker go and scar Dent after he's already been scarred.

[fear&loathing]

So i definitely think we will see ripples of the Two-Face persona through Harvey...


[if the sides and rumors are true]

Whether in a romance turned spurning relationship with Rachel (whilst he becomes more career motivated, putting her on the back burner) or when the two-ferries have explosives...

Somehow if they can come up with a legitimate reason why Harvey would want the criminals to live (to be brought to justice) over the innocent lives (maybe he's convinced they will be saved, Harvey is just more obsessed with the criminals). Maybe Joker has Dent tied up and takes out a coin for him to choose what happens. My guess is a lot of people from both ships die anyway which sends Harvey further along on a guilt trip, leaving him split between what is right and wrong.

Skip through the supposed trial and when Harvey is scarred. Maybe he will pick up the criminals who managed to survive the ferry and by using his own and the D.A.'s criminal intelligence, he seeks out the other remaining gangs and takes them over, where the film leaves off for the third installment.

I think Rachel will be the device that brings out the good side of Harvey where as his politically motivated side shows that when it comes to law and justice, he is unmerciful...


........

(sorry, it's late and a few ideas just came to me how they will make each character work off each other.)

[turtlefocker]

82.73% think he's a good choice. I think anyone doubting him should rest easy, if 82.73% are behidn an actor in a role its usually a good sign.

[BruceBanner]

I like the one idea thats been thrown around of harvey getting acid thrown on him, then while hes recovering in the hospital the joker pays a visit and mutilates his face while hes in his hospital bed

Nah, that's too much, that's like a Hannibal movie. Not that just the acid isn't of course. I'm still wondering how they're gonna do it, and Harvey's face, in such a way that won't give kids terrible nightmares.

[fear&loathing]

yeah. gary oldman scared the crap out of me in hannibal...

[BruceBanner]

Oh God yeah, he was HIDEOUS. Dracula scared me more though. Don't watch a movie like that when you're 12.

[Kleric]

Little interview from Latino Review not much but better than nothing:

http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=2395

[Two-Face]

Little interview from Latino Review not much but better than nothing:

http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=2395


Thanks for posting this :up:

"I feel one is completely different from the other," he answered. "I don't have to do what Tommy Lee Jones did."


I love that quote.

[Kleric]

I figured you would appreciate it. :yay:

I was never concerned that Two-Face would be handled in a campy manner. It’s just nice to hear it from the horse's mouth!

[BenReilly]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but we finally have official confirmation, straight from Aaron Eckhart himself, that Two-Face will appear in TDK.

Here's the story:


Aaron Eckhart Confirms To MTV: Two-Face Will Appear In ‘The Dark Knight’
0 Comments | Published by Josh Horowitz on Saturday, July 14, 2007 at 5:55 pm.

It’s official. Batman’s definitely got more than one Joker to tangle with in “The Dark Knight.” Of course we all know that Aaron Eckhart is playing famed Gotham City district attorney Harvey Dent in the upcoming flick, and of course we’ve all hoped that means an appearance by one of the caped crusader’s most cunning adversaries, but now we know for sure.

“I play Harvet Dent. Harvey Two-Face. They are both in the movie,” Eckhart revealed exclusively to MTV News. Getting much more out of the “No Reservations” star wasn’t easy but he did acknowledge that his favorite scene has yet to be shot.

“There are a few scenes I am dying to do. We’ve done a few…but the scene that I really want to do is in October.” So who appears in said scene? Is it Harvey or Two-Face? We coyly asked Eckhart if he’ll be in heavy make-up that day and, responding with a grin, he said, “I don’t know. There might be anger involved. There might be tears. It might be a cathartic day. It might be a lot of love.”

Stay tuned. We squeezed a little more Batman info from Mr. Eckhart that we’ll be releasing right here later this week.

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/14/aaron-eckhart-confirms-to-mtv-two-face-will-appear-in-the-dark-knight/

[Watson]

Damn MTV, why must you toy with me?

[1981]

We'll, I think the acid bit is going to be filmed in October.

[comic_guy04]

sounds like thats whats happening.....I'm willing to bet that scene is gonna be all kinds of ****ed up and im drooling thinking about it.

[Steelsheen]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but we finally have official confirmation, straight from Aaron Eckhart himself, that Two-Face will appear in TDK.

Here's the story:
Aaron Eckhart Confirms To MTV: Two-Face Will Appear In ‘The Dark Knight’
0 Comments | Published by Josh Horowitz on Saturday, July 14, 2007 at 5:55 pm.

It’s official. Batman’s definitely got more than one Joker to tangle with in “The Dark Knight.” Of course we all know that Aaron Eckhart is playing famed Gotham City district attorney Harvey Dent in the upcoming flick, and of course we’ve all hoped that means an appearance by one of the caped crusader’s most cunning adversaries, but now we know for sure.

“I play Harvet Dent. Harvey Two-Face. They are both in the movie,” Eckhart revealed exclusively to MTV News. Getting much more out of the “No Reservations” star wasn’t easy but he did acknowledge that his favorite scene has yet to be shot.

“There are a few scenes I am dying to do. We’ve done a few…but the scene that I really want to do is in October.” So who appears in said scene? Is it Harvey or Two-Face? We coyly asked Eckhart if he’ll be in heavy make-up that day and, responding with a grin, he said, “I don’t know. There might be anger involved. There might be tears. It might be a cathartic day. It might be a lot of love.”

Stay tuned. We squeezed a little more Batman info from Mr. Eckhart that we’ll be releasing right here later this week.


http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/14/aaron-eckhart-confirms-to-mtv-two-face-will-appear-in-the-dark-knight/

hmmm..... could it be that that's the scene where he psychologically transforms from Harvey Dent to Two Face? i've seen this man's work, he would so rock in a scene like that.

[Two-Face]

Why did he say "Harvey Two-Face." ? it's just Two-Face or just Harvey Dent.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Why did he say "Harvey Two-Face." ? it's just Two-Face or just Harvey Dent.

I think he meant "Harvey. Two-Face. They are both in the movie."

[The Empire Ape]

I think he meant "Harvey. Two-Face. They are both in the movie."

No. He has seen Batman Forever. "Harvey Two-Face", he was called there.

[itsthebatman]

No. He has seen Batman Forever. "Harvey Two-Face", he was called there.
My thoughts exactly.
Get the terminology right, Eckhart, damnit! Think about the future of this franchise!

[1981]

I like the name Harvery Two-Face. It represents both characters and that is infact what the actor is playing. Its the good and the bad, also represented in the coin.

[BatoutofHell]

I like the name Harvery Two-Face. It represents both characters and that is infact what the actor is playing. Its the good and the bad, also represented in the coin.

No, it represents Schumacher, which represents all that is wrong in the world.

[1981]

Hmmm, uhhh.... yeah, I like your explanation better than mine.

[Rezzo]

Are people actually making a big deal about him saying ¨Harvey Two-Face¨? he did say ¨They are both in the movie¨ which indicates he knows they are two different people

[outsider101487]

I guarantee that the Two-Face most fans are thinking of will not appear in this film. Yeah, Dent might get burned at the end, but I think Eckhart's just toying with us, teasing us with a vague description of his character, which is, in fact, a conflicted, two-faced guy. Bits of Dent's anger and rage will show through, and I'm sure those are the scenes for which he is excited (I'm sure, however, he's pumped to grill Maroni in the court room and get doused with hot sauce, haha). It is in my opinion that Harvey Dent will play an unlikely "villain" in the film, frustrated with the police force, grazing on vigilanteism just like Batman. He'll be the good guy everyone expects him to be but will also show a gritty, untamed side in order to foreshadow the actual villain Two-Face. Bringing in another big-time villain, on top of the lingering Scarecrow (who knows what's happening with him) would only take away from The Joker. Nolan's smarter than that, and it would be highly disrespectful to loyal fans everywhere to push Ledger's character into the background to showcase Two-Face. But who knows?! It's all speculation now. I really hope Nolan holds off on Dent's alter-ego, though. Regardless, Eckhart better bring his A game 'cause this is turning out to be one hell of a movie!

[The Empire Ape]

Is it possible that Two-Face will wear make-up, too? That he is scarred, but not in this exactly symmetrical way and he will fix that with make-up or finish the scarring by himself?

Nolan is capable of everything. :csad:

[Juanigi]

nah

[dark_b]

dude you should go to hell. ( joking)

why did you make the title joker pics?


if retroman is not the author of a thread with pcis i dont even take it serious.

[Sun_Down]

We have no reason to believe that Joker wears make-up. Please never make a thread again.

[millennium movies]

Man...i taught you had pics :(

Beware the others they get very festy around here about new topics.

[Rorschach2012]

no way dude. that would be killin the character

[Juggernaut33]

Nolan is capable of everything. :csad:

Just because Nolan's Joker is wearing make up. Is it such a big deal?

[DieSmiling]

We have no reason to believe that Joker wears make-up. Please never make a thread again.

Yeah we do...?

And on the original question: remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people.

[Sun_Down]

Yeah we do...?

And on the original question: remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people.

No we don't.

[Juggernaut33]

No we don't.

C'mon... just accept it.

[Sun_Down]

C'mon... just accept it.

Accept what? Show me one bit of even remotely solid evidence that Joker makes himself up.

[Juggernaut33]

Accept what? Show me one bit of even remotely solid evidence that Joker makes himself up.

Well we can clearly see on some pics that his neck is flesh colour plus it is obvious. The Joker is realistic. He is not gonna have a permanant white skin that wouldn't be realistic that would be lame. He fell into a chemical bath and PAF his skin turns white...please.:whatever:

I am a huge fan of the Joker but I don't get it. Why would it be so important for the Joker to have a permanant white skin?

[Crook]

I am a huge fan of the Joker but I don't get it. Why would it be so important for the Joker to have a permanant white skin?
..because part of the whole point of the character is that he isn't playing dress-up, that he actually is, physically and mentally speaking, a clown.

[Sun_Down]

Well we can clearly see on some pics that his neck is flesh colour plus it is obvious. The Joker is realistic. He is not gonna have a permanant white skin that wouldn't be realistic that would be lame. He fell into a chemical bath and PAF his skin turns white...please.:whatever:

I am a huge fan of the Joker but I don't get it. Why would it be so important for the Joker to have a permanant white skin?

First off, don't presume to know how Joker will be portrayed or what's going through the heads of the creative team in charge. You're just assuming that because the word "realism" gets thrown around, Joker must make himself up. Secondly, the pics we have are anything but obvious. And even if his neck is flesh colored (which we don't know at all), that doesn't mean that his face isn't permanently white.

And please don't make me remind you that a man dressing up like a bat to fight crime and a machine that emits terror-inducing gas through the air aren't exactly the definition of "realistic".

[Crook]

And even if his neck is flesh colored (which we don't know at all)
We do. It's already been confirmed from the people on-set that it wasn't white. Also, the Fox vid clearly shows this.

[Juggernaut33]

First off, don't presume to know how Joker will be portrayed or what's going through the heads of the creative team in charge. You're just assuming that because the word "realism" gets thrown around, Joker must make himself up. Secondly, the pics we have are anything but obvious. And even if his neck is flesh colored (which we don't know at all), that doesn't mean that his face isn't permanently white.

And please don't make me remind you that a man dressing up like a bat to fight crime and a machine that emits terror-inducing gas through the air aren't exactly the definition of "realistic".

Actually you are right. Realism isn't that much the word to describe Nolan's universe. The word would be "logic". The Joker's look is logic.

[Juanigi]

bum bum bumhmm

you know how some people say he "evens out" the look with white foundation

what if it's just his face that got bleached and he has to fill in the edgesas I said in the other joker set report, based on the evidence it seems likely that the front of his face and hair are permanently white and green, less so in the back, as if he got splashed with or dunked in whatever chemical from the front, so he uses white foundation to fill in the edges

[Sun_Down]

You seem upset.


Just tired of people making a big stink out of something that they just conjure up in their heads.

[DSET]

nevermind:o

[Closerframe]

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/16/aaron-eckhart-says-he-is-two-face-and-that-he-and-ledger-are-daccord/

[jimmy]

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/16/aaron-eckhart-says-he-is-two-face-and-that-he-and-ledger-are-daccord/

Nice.

[Rezzo]

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/16/aaron-eckhart-says-he-is-two-face-and-that-he-and-ledger-are-daccord/

Aaron Eckhart Says He Is Two-Face And That He And Ledger Are ‘D’Accord’

Aaron Eckhart recently confirmed (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/14/aaron-eckhart-confirms-to-mtv-two-face-will-appear-in-the-dark-knight/) to us for the first time that he will indeed be appearing as Two-Face in “The Dark Knight.” As I promised in my earlier post, there are a couple more tidbits I got from Eckhart in my chat. For the full Aaron Eckhart Q&A, just click here (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1564860/20070716/story.jhtml) or watch him for yourself below.

Go to the link to see video

If you didn’t want to watch it in living color, read the gist after the jump.
– He’s playing Harvey Dent AND Harvey Two-Face. Both appear in the film.
– Eckhart won’t say if he’s got a scarred coin at any point in the film but check out that smile when I ask him. Read into it as you will.
– Eckhart leaves half of his script in his hotel and keeps half with him at all times. He says the script isn’t going to be leaked by him.
– He talks about the one scene he’s most dying to do. It films in October and he’s pretty coy about what it’s about. Watch the tape and you’ll see.
– Finally he dodges whether he’s worked with Ledger but says they’ve conversed and that they are “both as the French say, ‘d’accord.’”
And for those of you who believe this is a last second cameo at the end of the film teasing his real emergence in the third, well I tend to doubt it. Think about it. Clearly Warner Bros. gave Eckhart the go ahead to say he plays Two-Face (I barely had to ask him, he really volunteered the information). They wouldn’t let him do that if it’s just a last second reveal. My gut says we’ll be seeing a decent amount of the conflicted villain in the new flick.

[Sub-Zero]

i'm really starting to see a lot of the long halloween in this movie. like two-face coming to power and all the "freaks" coming together to takeover the underworld by overthrowing the gangsters...or atleast that's what i got from the notes of that interview.

[Umbrax]

Drexx nailed it.

..because part of the whole point of the character is that he isn't playing dress-up, that he actually is, physically and mentally speaking, a clown.


But who knows how much liberty Nolan will take with the Joker.
Hopefully not too much.

[Yurka]

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/16/aaron-eckhart-says-he-is-two-face-and-that-he-and-ledger-are-daccord/

very cool :up:

[Umbrax]

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/16/aaron-eckhart-says-he-is-two-face-and-that-he-and-ledger-are-daccord/



:cmad: Bah!
Why doesn't MTV allow this video to be played outside of the US?

[Crook]

Because America >>> All the rest


:o

[Umbrax]

Meh, promotes piracy.

[romaslago]

He's gorgeous. They better not do the Two-Face transition so rushed and half-baked because I wonna be invested in this character.

[Superhobo]

I know this may not be the correct thread for this, but I;d just like to say that from what I saw in the on set photos of the Joker that everyone's getting this neck thing from (which is, I assume, the one where he's being filmed up close in front of a mirror), he's being shot in closeup. Also, those scenes were shot with IMAX cameras.

Just saying.

[1981]

why is this in the two-face section?

[FlawlessVictory]

Aaron Eckhart Says He Is Two-Face And That He And Ledger Are ‘D’Accord’

Aaron Eckhart recently confirmed (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/14/aaron-eckhart-confirms-to-mtv-two-face-will-appear-in-the-dark-knight/) to us for the first time that he will indeed be appearing as Two-Face in “The Dark Knight.” As I promised in my earlier post, there are a couple more tidbits I got from Eckhart in my chat. For the full Aaron Eckhart Q&A, just click here (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1564860/20070716/story.jhtml) or watch him for yourself below.

Go to the link to see video

If you didn’t want to watch it in living color, read the gist after the jump.
– He’s playing Harvey Dent AND Harvey Two-Face. Both appear in the film.
– Eckhart won’t say if he’s got a scarred coin at any point in the film but check out that smile when I ask him. Read into it as you will.
– Eckhart leaves half of his script in his hotel and keeps half with him at all times. He says the script isn’t going to be leaked by him.
– He talks about the one scene he’s most dying to do. It films in October and he’s pretty coy about what it’s about. Watch the tape and you’ll see.
– Finally he dodges whether he’s worked with Ledger but says they’ve conversed and that they are “both as the French say, ‘d’accord.’”
And for those of you who believe this is a last second cameo at the end of the film teasing his real emergence in the third, well I tend to doubt it. Think about it. Clearly Warner Bros. gave Eckhart the go ahead to say he plays Two-Face (I barely had to ask him, he really volunteered the information). They wouldn’t let him do that if it’s just a last second reveal. My gut says we’ll be seeing a decent amount of the conflicted villain in the new flick.

I was actually afraid of this. Is there enough room in this movie to continue to develop Batman along with developing and fleshing out the Joker, Harvey Dent and then Two-Face? I was just hoping for a cameo of Two-Face at the end to set him up for the third. I hope this doesn't turn into Spider-Man 3 where Two-Face = Venom. :csad:

[strikezone89]

anymore manips of 2face?

[The Caped Knight]

Aaron Eckhart Says He Is Two-Face And That He And Ledger Are ‘D’Accord’

Aaron Eckhart recently confirmed (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/07/14/aaron-eckhart-confirms-to-mtv-two-face-will-appear-in-the-dark-knight/) to us for the first time that he will indeed be appearing as Two-Face in “The Dark Knight.” As I promised in my earlier post, there are a couple more tidbits I got from Eckhart in my chat. For the full Aaron Eckhart Q&A, just click here (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1564860/20070716/story.jhtml) or watch him for yourself below.

Go to the link to see video

If you didn’t want to watch it in living color, read the gist after the jump.
– He’s playing Harvey Dent AND Harvey Two-Face. Both appear in the film.
– Eckhart won’t say if he’s got a scarred coin at any point in the film but check out that smile when I ask him. Read into it as you will.
– Eckhart leaves half of his script in his hotel and keeps half with him at all times. He says the script isn’t going to be leaked by him.
– He talks about the one scene he’s most dying to do. It films in October and he’s pretty coy about what it’s about. Watch the tape and you’ll see.
– Finally he dodges whether he’s worked with Ledger but says they’ve conversed and that they are “both as the French say, ‘d’accord.’”
And for those of you who believe this is a last second cameo at the end of the film teasing his real emergence in the third, well I tend to doubt it. Think about it. Clearly Warner Bros. gave Eckhart the go ahead to say he plays Two-Face (I barely had to ask him, he really volunteered the information). They wouldn’t let him do that if it’s just a last second reveal. My gut says we’ll be seeing a decent amount of the conflicted villain in the new flick.


http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/twoface/06.jpg

I hope it's a as good as BTAS Two-Face

[Sub-Zero]

I was actually afraid of this. Is there enough room in this movie to continue to develop Batman along with developing and fleshing out the Joker, Harvey Dent and then Two-Face? I was just hoping for a cameo of Two-Face at the end to set him up for the third. I hope this doesn't turn into Spider-Man 3 where Two-Face = Venom. :csad:


i was thinking the same thing. with spidey 3 it seemed liked the director just wanted to get the venom story over with. now i think nolan has more planned for twoface. i like to see it as the long halloween/dark victory based two-face story.

[Juggernaut33]

i was thinking the same thing. with spidey 3 it seemed liked the director just wanted to get the venom story over with. now i think nolan has more planned for twoface. i like to see it as the long halloween/dark victory based two-face story.

I think that Two-Face would just appaered at the end but won't be developped until the third film. Venom was something that the fans pushed Raimi to include in the movie. Two-Face will be include because Nolan wants it.

The key thing for a director is: don't listen to the geek.

[Killing Joke926]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/twoface/06.jpg

I hope it's a as good as BTAS Two-Face

Same here; or like the Harvey from Long Halloween.

[Bnightwing]

Same here; or like the Harvey from Long Halloween.

:up: indeed https://www.silversnail.com/images/gold/full/action0004638.jpg

[L.A.]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/btas/bios/twoface/06.jpg

I hope it's a as good as BTAS Two-Face
Yes, the tas version is the best!

[Shoemeister]

or like the Harvey from Long Halloween.

Now you're talkin'.

[AndrewGilkison]

I think that Two-Face would just appaered at the end but won't be developped until the third film. Venom was something that the fans pushed Raimi to include in the movie. Two-Face will be include because Nolan wants it.

The key thing for a director is: don't listen to the geek.

I think it was more like Avi Arad who pushed him.

[Shoemeister]

Then don't listen to heavy-set Israeli guy.

[Steelsheen]

in Nolanverse, would anybody actually even bother to create a suit thats two toned like what we see in comics/ animation?

wouldnt it be easier if you just grab a really nice, expensive suit and just have fun on one side of it?

like that spoiler Noirman reported, Two-Face's suit looked like a normal biz suit except one side of it looked like it was damaged by acid.. the succeeding Two-Face costumes could just be regular biz suits with one side shredded or damaged or something.

[Untilteld]

Same here; or like the Harvey from Long Halloween.

best look of two-face ever in my opinion. :woot:

[Batman jr.]

in Nolanverse, would anybody actually even bother to create a suit thats two toned like what we see in comics/ animation?

wouldnt it be easier if you just grab a really nice, expensive suit and just have fun on one side of it?

like that spoiler Noirman reported, Two-Face's suit looked like a normal biz suit except one side of it looked like it was damaged by acid.. the succeeding Two-Face costumes could just be regular biz suits with one side shredded or damaged or something.

This proves, I think, that we won't see much of Two-Face in TDK, after all it's about Joker this time :yay: So his suit is damaged of course, but this is right after the accident, so I'm sure we won't see his full outfit until the third film. But I really hope/think that the "twist" or whatever you wanna call it at the end is Two-Face flipping his coin, it goes up, he catches it, he smiles, you just see the horrible scarred side and BAM, black goes the screen, credits roll... NICE!!!! The regular audience will be thrilled & scared!

[BAMFaly]

Yeah, sounds good. And it'd go along nicely with the ending of Begins and the Joker card. Chances are we'll just have Dent in this with the ending being him scarred and becoming two-face don't you reckon??? So it'd make sense that he wouldn't have a 'costume' as such yet, and then in the third film when he's become more two-face than Dent he'll play up to it a bit and have a two-toned suit.... (hmmm, ska two-face!?!)

[turtlefocker]

All credit goes to EXCEL:

DO not openHARVEY IS CROOKED

At some point around the halfway mark, Batman, Gordon, and Dent meet on the rooftop. It should be noted that Dent's election plays a signifcant role; he's seen as the sort of JFK of Gotham; he;s gonna help save the city from crime. Anyways, their on the roof, and Gordon's a littlw weary about letting ihm talk to the Batman; Gordon and Dent don't get along THAT well-they get along, but there are arguments between them. Gordon doens't really trust him yet(this can be confirmed by set reports of a scene with Gordon yelling at Dent-excel)-anyways, having earned their trust, Dent is with them on the roof, talking, and Batman tells Gordon and Dent SOMETHING. Something he is going to be doing in the near future. We follow Batman on this quest, when suddenly the Joker and co. show up. What follows is the films big huge action chase...and a character dies here...so of course we forget that the Joker conviently guessed as to where Batman would be. Later, during a party scene, The Joker kidnaps Rachel while Harvey Dent tells the world hes batman. Of course, if he really meant it, in a town like Gotham he'd be killed within a few hours. But of course he has nothing to fear, to because hes really working with them. When Rachels kidnapped, Dent gets upset she was involved, and Maroni n his boys are now on trial, he threatens to talk against them unless Rachels freed. Que Dent getting mauled with the acid. Then, in Batman and Jokers final confrontation, somethings going down when out of nowhere TWO FACE shows up...Batman thinks hes there ot help when he does SOMETHING which gives away that hes really bad...thinking they have Batman cornered, Joker explains how Harvey Dent was really working for him...but Two Face has some of his own tricks up his sleeve...the ending is batman brings in the joker, but, as he says with Gordon at the end..."As we bring one in, there will always be another", meaning Two Face has indeed escaped.

[theShape]

Okay. That's it for me. I've spoiled myself too much. From now on, I am only interested in upcoming pictures or previews.

It's been fun, everyone. :up:

[jimmy]

My god! How did Excel learn this?!

[turtlefocker]

Okay. That's it for me. I've spoiled myself too much. From now on, I am only interested in upcoming pictures or previews.

It's been fun, everyone. :up:

I hope it didnt ruin the movie for you, if so perhaphs is should have tripple tagged it. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Excel]

Its NOT definite, guys

[Doc Holliday]

Yes, the tas version is the best!

Except for the whole blue thing. And Big Bad Harv.

Richard Moll was perfect for the voice though.

[jimmy]

Its NOT definite, guys

That's good to know.

[turtlefocker]

It still soudns cool, Im not sure where I stand on it right now but it got my adreneline going.

[jimmy]

Over hyped. :(

[turtlefocker]

Over hyped. :(

Yea, if this is the TWIST Anjow made to big of a deal out of it, but that was his decission.

Its no "Luke I am your father"

[jimmy]

I thought it was going to be like: "ZOMG -- hay d00ds, teh batman dies!"

[Mysterio]

it's unbelievably weak - not as a plot element, but as a hyped up, trumped up, all drama spoiler party.

[turtlefocker]

like I said, if this is it ANJOW greatly exzaggerated.

If this isnt it and ANJOW was smart hed say it was so people would leave him alone about the "real" twist, no what I mean?