The McCain Thread

[Matt]

The scandal will still be brought up, though. It's a valid point, even if nothing ultimately comes out of it. It still casts doubt on her.

One thing I DO know is that the spin around how both sides handle Palin is going to be extraordinary. Biden will have to take a very different tact in how he handles her in the debates than he would a male candidate, but he's fully capable and congnizant of that I would think. In that respect, McCain's move in choosing Palin is smart because it's no longer just a bunch of boys playing rough; there's a woman in the mix and getting too rough with her could be a negative in voter's eyes. However, if McCain just tries to use her as a shield to take pot shots from behind, that too could backfire on him. This will make the next couple of months extremely interesting to watch, no doubt about it.

jag

I was honestly just starting to lose interest before this broke. Now my interest in piqued. :up:

[Kelly]

The scandal will still be brought up, though. It's a valid point, even if nothing ultimately comes out of it. It still casts doubt on her.

One thing I DO know is that the spin around how both sides handle Palin is going to be extraordinary. Biden will have to take a very different tact in how he handles her in the debates than he would a male candidate, but he's fully capable and congnizant of that I would think. In that respect, McCain's move in choosing Palin is smart because it's no longer just a bunch of boys playing rough; there's a woman in the mix and getting too rough with her could be a negative in voter's eyes. However, if McCain just tries to use her as a shield to take pot shots from behind, that too could backfire on him. This will make the next couple of months extremely interesting to watch, no doubt about it.

jag


Sure it will, as will all of Biden's scandals over the years.......(there aren't many....:cwink:).....




I'm just going to sit back, watch the RNC, with as much cynicism as I watched the DNC........I'll watch the debates, and I'll make mind up from there.......

But I have to give it to McCain........this was a jaw dropping announcement. :cwink:

[SuBe]

If he treats her like a queen she gets a free pass. You just said they'll attack her. You're sending mixed signals.



Never-the-less, unless McCain dies on inauguration day, she will still have at least some on-job training.



If Hillary wants to. After the convention, where Hillary hit her home run, I expect her to just slide into the shadows, pray for an Obama loss, and start an exploratory committee for 2012, and if anyone blames her she'll say "Hey, did you see my convention speech? I did what I could."
I agree, it's not Hillary's job anymore. If she does, would that mean that Joe/Barry can't do it themselves? They need a Clinton to prove their Campian has teeth?

[Excel]

If he treats her like a queen she gets a free pass. You just said they'll attack her. You're sending mixed signals.

No, I am not. Obama colleagues will say that McCain biggest argument, lack of expirience, must also be thrown out the window along with the diea that McCain doesnt care about women. As Jag already mentioned, Hillary and others will no doubt make it known they feel this choice was an attempt to steal voters. It wont be hard to paint a picture of McCain using poor judgment by picking somebody noy qualified to be President, somethign Obama certainly didnt do.

Never-the-less, unless McCain dies on inauguration day, she will still have at least some on-job training.

Well thats good to know.

If Hillary wants to. After the convention, where Hillary hit her home run, I expect her to just slide into the shadows, pray for an Obama loss, and start an exploratory committee for 2012, and if anyone blames her she'll say "Hey, did you see my convention speech? I did what I could."

With all due respect Matt, youve expected a lot of things to happen with the Democrats this past few months and I dont think any of them have happened. You were arguing with me in May that Hillary would still win. Id be quite surprised if they keep Hillary on the sidelines; infact I think this just means well be seeing a lot from her........wonder if Obama comes out and says hell give some cabinet position to her(?) I dunno, but no doubt theyll get her more invovled now.

[jaguarr]

If she really supports Obama. But she's got to toe the line. Also, she should support Obama.


If Hillary wants to. After the convention, where Hillary hit her home run, I expect her to just slide into the shadows, pray for an Obama loss, and start an exploratory committee for 2012, and if anyone blames her she'll say "Hey, did you see my convention speech? I did what I could."

It depends on whether Hillary's overarching political and social ideals and her words about taking this country back from the Republicans are really more important to her than having another shot in 2012. If she opts for the former and really decides to come out for Obama against Palin, Palin's in trouble.

At any rate, it'll be interesting to see how Obama and Biden handle her. There are ways to address her without coming off as woman-bashers or opening up holes in their own campaign.

jag

[souvlaki]

If Hillary wants to. After the convention, where Hillary hit her home run, I expect her to just slide into the shadows, pray for an Obama loss, and start an exploratory committee for 2012, and if anyone blames her she'll say "Hey, did you see my convention speech? I did what I could."

Maybe if he picked Romney I could see this. But Hillary will, mark my words, not stand on the sidelines now. This choice will, if anything, really get under her skin, and get her back on the campaign trail with Obama. In the long run this wont make much of a difference. Ferraro did absolutely nothing for Mondale in 1984 with women voters.

[Excel]

What? I'm not spinning anything against Obama. I am saying if he attacks a college educated, experienced, governor of a state as a token candidate, he will get torn apart. Thats not an attack, its fact.

No, its not a fact at all. It s a clear attempt to get women votes; thats is an argument full of substance.

[souvlaki]

No, its not a fact at all. It s a clear attempt to get women votes; thats is an argument full of substance.

Exactly. That alone will get Clinton involved. If we are talking about it, the media will be talking about it. And if the media are talking about it, eventually Clinton will be talking about it. The media from this choice alone will force Clinton to come out of hiding and start campaigning heavily for Obama. If she doesn't come out strongly against McCain and Palin on the campaign trail then it will be completely obvious everything last week was just for show, and that works against her and any future presidential run for her. If everything last week was for show then McCain just put her in a really crappy situation that really leaves her with no other choice than to come out as Obama's strongest surrogate.

[Matt]

No, its not a fact at all. It s a clear attempt to get women votes; thats is an argument full of substance.

No, its not full of substance. Palin brings a lot more to the ticket than a vaginia and if Obama has the nerve to go national tv with any kind of ad that says McCain picked for her vagina (and in turn writes off her entire value as a candidate and human being as being little more than a token with a vagina) then he will experience tremendous back lash.

[jaguarr]

No, its not full of substance. Palin brings a lot more to the ticket than a vaginia and if Obama has the nerve to go national tv with any kind of ad that says McCain picked for her vagina (and in turn writes off her entire value as a candidate and human being as being little more than a token with a vagina) then he will experience tremendous back lash.

Vaginia? I thought she was from Alaska! :oldrazz:

jag

[Franklin Richards]

Aren't we all from Vaginia? Unless of course you were "not borne of woman."


Sorry... I keep having MacBeth flashbacks.


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[souvlaki]

No, its not full of substance. Palin brings a lot more to the ticket than a vaginia and if Obama has the nerve to go national tv with any kind of ad that says McCain picked for her vagina (and in turn writes off her entire value as a candidate and human being as being little more than a token with a vagina) then he will experience tremendous back lash.

Dont be so naive Matt. This is such a superficial attempt to steal Hillary's voters. There are countless other governors he could have chose that had ten times the experience and substance. He chose her because she's a woman.

[Matt]

Dont be so naive Matt. This is such a superficial attempt to steal Hillary's voters. There are countless other governors he could have chose that had ten times the experience and substance. He chose her because she's a woman.

I'm not saying its not true. If Obama says it, it will kill his numbers. That is all I am saying and Excel is claiming I am turning it into some negative Obama rant.

[jaguarr]

I'm not saying its not true. If Obama says it, it will kill his numbers. That is all I am saying and Excel is claiming I am turning it into some negative Obama rant.

If Hillary says it, though......oh, boy...interesting times!

jag

[souvlaki]

I'm not saying its not true. If Obama says it, it will kill his numbers. That is all I am saying and Excel is claiming I am turning it into some negative Obama rant.

I don't think he will though. Like I said, he'll leave that to countless women surrogates, Clinton included. If Obama had no intentions of begging Clinton to join him on the campaign trail, that changed this morning. I wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't on the phone with her this morning.

[jaguarr]

Having Clinton address this is the obvious and easiest way to address McCain's VP choice, but it's not the ONLY way and she can effectively be handled through other means but it will take longer and not have as big of an impact as Hillary standing up and addressing it somehow. Politics is a team sport. What remains to be seen is if Hillary is a team player or not.

jag

[souvlaki]

I also don't see this doing much with Clinton voters. This will backfire with them just as much as Obama picking Sebelius would backfire for him. Women are going to see it for what it is, a superficial attempt to win their vote, and it will piss them off.

[jaguarr]

I also don't see this doing much with Clinton voters. This will backfire with them just as much as Obama picking Sebelius would backfire for him. Women are going to see it for what it is, a superficial attempt to win their vote, and it will piss them off.

What it WILL do is seal the deal with older, female moderately conservative voters, though. A pretty big chunk of voters, actually.

jag

[Matt]

If Clinton does it, and I personally have my doubts that she will. But Jag is right, its not the only way. But I think you guys would like to think it is going to be an easy fix for Obama...and I'm not sure it will be. At least not as much as you'd like to think.

[rdh007]

Palin brings a lot more to the ticket than a vaginia

Like?

[The Senator]

Last night, I went to bed thinking that McCain would pick one of the two most logical choices for his running mate. Tim Pawlenty, a proven conservative and semi-popular governor of a swing state, or Mitt Romney, a man who claims he's a conservative even though he never governed as one in a state which can't stand him anymore. This morning, when I awoke, I was so pissed off I shouted "Why not Sebelius! We've just lost this ****ing thing!"

Then I thought about what Palin's selection meant several minutes later. For a candidate who pummeled his opponent for being inexperienced, McCain certainly has to put his foot in his mouth now that he has selected someone with only twenty months of experience under her belt as governor. And while he selected a governor as his running mate, he selected the governor of one of the most irrelevant states in the country, a state McCain was almost guaranteed to win anyway (despite how close the polls are there). AND, to top it all off, he picks a governor who is caught up in a corruption scandal on her own, which reeks of the politics Obama spoke out against last night.

So, what does Palin's selection mean? Quite simple: McCain selected her ONLY because she is a young, fairly attractive woman. That is the only reason. There are dozens of other women he could have selected who share similar values as he does. Hutchison, Snowe, Collins, Dole, Rice... but he selected the young one, the inexperienced one, in an attempt to not only get middle aged women to vote for him, but to siphon youth voters into his column as well.

I thought history might have taught John McCain a lesson or two about picking a running mate solely based on gender. The last time that happened, the candidate was not only unqualified for the job, but she herself was involved in quite the scandal. And while she was selected solely because she was a woman, that did not help the ticket at all. People voted for the incumbent president, based on national mood, and the state of the nation at the time. They voted for security, economics, and good feeling. This time, the national mood will also determine this election. Not race, and not gender. I believe this is the biggest blunder in VP politics in twenty-four years.

I applaud McCain for being a trailblazer, I guess. Good luck to McCain/ Ferraro 2.0 :up:

[jaguarr]

If Clinton does it, and I personally have my doubts that she will. But Jag is right, its not the only way. But I think you guys would like to think it is going to be an easy fix for Obama...and I'm not sure it will be. At least not as much as you'd like to think.

I have this suspicion that Hillary's been offered the Secretary of Health spot so she could help get that national healthcare thing, a major torch issue for her for decades, fully realized. If that's the case. I smell a big cat fight on the horizon. And, no, Hillary alone won't provide full countermeasure, but it sure helps. Especially when the other ways Palin can be addressed come into play.

jag

[Matt]

Like?

She makes up for the claims of elitism based on the 7 houses and spoiled son of an Admiral angle the Obama campaign has been running with. She adds family values to the campaign. No one screams family more than Sarah Palin and will definitely help when people try to say "McCain has no family values! He left his wife cause she was crippled!" She brings youth and energy to the ticket. She is a moderate conservative, so she could bring in some independents while also rallying the base. She has a strong economic record. And most importantly, she has been one of the strongest supporters of drilling, which most people seem to support.

[Julio Alejandro]

I think McCain just picked up a MILF.

[Franklin Richards]

She doesn't sound very moderate to me.


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[Kelly]

No, its not full of substance. Palin brings a lot more to the ticket than a vaginia and if Obama has the nerve to go national tv with any kind of ad that says McCain picked for her vagina (and in turn writes off her entire value as a candidate and human being as being little more than a token with a vagina) then he will experience tremendous back lash.


I hope that this is not going to turn into a debate of that nature.....if it becomes the sole debate here.....I'm gone. I won't be a part of that type of unintelligent bloviation.....

I have this suspicion that Hillary's been offered the Secretary of Health spot so she could help get that national healthcare thing, a major torch issue for her for decades, fully realized. If that's the case. I smell a big cat fight on the horizon. And, no, Hillary alone won't provide full countermeasure, but it sure helps. Especially when the other ways Palin can be addressed come into play.

jag


I think Obama would be smart to give Hillary that position....VERY SMART.

[Kelly]

I think McCain just picked up a MILF.


I was called that by a student in the halls once, I didn't take it as a compliment.....:whatever:



I have this funny feeling.........I'll be gone from here in a week.....lol...:oldrazz:

[souvlaki]

So, what does Palin's selection mean? Quite simple: McCain selected her ONLY because she is a young, fairly attractive woman. That is the only reason. There are dozens of other women he could have selected who share similar values as he does. Hutchison, Snowe, Collins, Dole, Rice... but he selected the young one, the inexperienced one, in an attempt to not only get middle aged women to vote for him, but to siphon youth voters into his column as well.

Ironically, I doubt it will help him with either.

[Excel]

Atleast McCains got some good intro music :o

[Excel]

She needs to let her hair down and take off the glasses.

[Kaleb]

wow I love the entrance music, that sold me.

[Kelly]

What it WILL do is seal the deal with older, female moderately conservative voters, though. A pretty big chunk of voters, actually.

jag

That is one of the largest voting blocks around. People forget that women are the majority in this country, and the baby boomers are the largest chunk of those.

AND, women CAN turn a vote around......ask the soccer moms of 1990s, the security moms of 2000's..........they know how to turn votes.

[Julio Alejandro]

I was called that by a student in the halls once, I didn't take it as a compliment.....:whatever:



I have this funny feeling.........I'll be gone from here in a week.....lol...:oldrazz:
I think it's definitely a compliment.

[Julio Alejandro]

She needs to let her hair down and take off the glasses.
Yeah. She has that look like once she takes it down, it's on and poppin!

[Excel]

wow I love the entrance music, that sold me.

For real what is the ame of that song?

[Kelly]

I think it's definitely a compliment.



lol, the student said that as well......:cwink:

[jaguarr]

I was called that by a student in the halls once, I didn't take it as a compliment.....:whatever:



I have this funny feeling.........I'll be gone from here in a week.....lol...:oldrazz:

I really hope that you don't leave this place, Kel. This forum needs your balance and insight, which is especially poignant given this turn of events in the election. I'll help you slap the horndogs when they get out of line. :bh:

jag

[Kelly]

For real what is the ame of that song?


"Right Now".....Van Halen.

[Kaleb]

whose that girl behind Sarah ?, I saw her speaking a while ago.

[jaguarr]

That is one of the largest voting blocks around. People forget that women are the majority in this country, and the baby boomers are the largest chunk of those.

AND, women CAN turn a vote around......ask the soccer moms of 1990s, the security moms of 2000's..........they know how to turn votes.

Yep. The thing Palin has working against her with that demographic is her stance on abortion, though, so it could all come out in the wash as far as actual votes, go.

jag

[Kelly]

whose that girl behind Sarah ?, I saw her speaking a while ago.


brunette or blond?????

[The Senator]

So McCain uses "Right Now" as his entrance music. Which is interesting, since George W. Bush used that song in his campaign eight years ago.

Also, Palin needs to rename her children. Trig is not a name; it's a math class I took in high school...

[Julio Alejandro]

lol, the student said that as well......:cwink:
I'd like to find out.

[Kelly]

I'd like to find out.



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....you missed your chance by a few years......a pic was posted for a day back in 2004.....lol

[Julio Alejandro]

Well, it's not too late.

[Kelly]

So McCain uses "Right Now" as his entrance music. Which is interesting, since George W. Bush used that song in his campaign eight years ago.

Also, Palin needs to rename her children. Trig is not a name; it's a math class I took in high school...

Nah, that's a very Alaskan name.......its funny.....I could see ANY of my male friends from that area named Trig......it fits them. lol

[Kaleb]

brunette or blond?????

Brunette .

[Kelly]

Well, it's not too late.


Weeeeeeeeeeeeeellllll.....unfortunately one of our own around here....used a pic, in a not very nice way............................without someone's permission......I don't plan on that happening to me.:cwink:

[Kelly]

So McCain uses "Right Now" as his entrance music. Which is interesting, since George W. Bush used that song in his campaign eight years ago.

Also, Palin needs to rename her children. Trig is not a name; it's a math class I took in high school...


I use "Right Now" as the music in my powerpoint introduction in my class......so I've heard it a few times....lol

[jaguarr]

I'd like to find out.

If this is going to be your standard M.O. in this forum, hassling female posters for pictures and hitting on them, then I'm going to ask the mods to boot you back to the Community lounge forums. So far your contributions here have been to call Palin a MILF and hit on Kel. If you're not going to actually participate in the discussions meaningfully then GTFO. Thank you.

jag

[Kelly]

Yep. The thing Palin has working against her with that demographic is her stance on abortion, though, so it could all come out in the wash as far as actual votes, go.

jag

That's what many thought in 2000, and 2004........Bush got many of those votes......what is actually more against her now......IS BUSH....lol

[souvlaki]

Oh, give me a break. They aren't even trying to hide the fact that they picked her in an attempt to steal Hillary's votes. Palin was just gushing over Hillary in her speech.

[Franklin Richards]

Republicans cheering Hillary? Who's next? Daschle?


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[jaguarr]

That's what many thought in 2000, and 2004........Bush got many of those votes......what is actually more against her now......IS BUSH....lol

The double-edged sword cuts both ways. :)

jag

[souvlaki]

This is REALLY going to get under Hillary's skin. I'll be stunned if Clinton doesn't become Obama's strongest surrogate now. This is pretty much the most patronizing thing the McCain campaign could have done. I think I was concerned about this choice for about 10 minutes, but seriously, Democrats are going to have a field day with this.

[LuiECuomo]

Oh, give me a break. They aren't even trying to hide the fact that they picked her in an attempt to steal Hillary's votes.

Yeah. It's called "politics."

[Julio Alejandro]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeellllll.....unfortunately one of our own around here....used a pic, in a not very nice way............................without someone's permission......I don't plan on that happening to me.:cwink:
In that case, never mind. I completely understand.

[souvlaki]

Yeah. It's called "politics."

Well, they are going about it in the dumbest, most insulting way possible. This is going to backfire on them big time.

[Franklin Richards]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeellllll.....unfortunately one of our own around here....used a pic, in a not very nice way............................without someone's permission......I don't plan on that happening to me.:cwink:


You see? That was a learning experience. And learnin' am good.

:cwink:


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[RAMORE]

Well the pick for vp seals it mcain will now win the general:up:

[The Senator]

Well the pick for vp seals it mcain will now win the general:up:

I don't think it's as cut as dry as you think.

McCain picked Palin ONLY because she is a woman. She has less experience than Obama does, as the twenty-month governor of one of the most irrelevant states in the country. She has no foreign policy experience, very little economic experience, and to top it all off, she's against the one issue which a majority of those Clinton supporters supported-- a woman's right to choose.

Palin was selected only because of aesthetics and nothing more. She's the GOP's Geraldine Ferraro. Gerraldine Quayle, actually, considering both candidates were selected because of aesthetics while their records showed nothing of substance.

[rdh007]

I wonder if McCain gets what he wants in the short run--move media attention off Obama delivering last night and the usual convention bump is taken away, whilst sacrificing what he wants in the long run.

She's not a bad pick, she's just not Romney.

[The Senator]

I wonder if McCain gets what he wants in the short run--move media attention off Obama delivering last night and the usual convention bump is taken away, whilst sacrificing what he wants in the long run.

She's not a bad pick, she's just not Romney.

I think Romney would have been worse, actually. I don't think his faith would secure the evangelical wing of the Republican Party. Palin is at least a dedicated Christian, who has a record of supporting all the positions she currently supports. Unlike Romney, who ran as a liberal when he was running for Governor but magically changed his positions a year before he ran for President.

McCain has secured the Republican base, but I don't know if this will help him in the long run. It may help him now, but in the coming months, I think people will hesitate to vote for McCain-Palin. This VP picks reeks of desperation.

[Marx]

This is REALLY going to get under Hillary's skin. I'll be stunned if Clinton doesn't become Obama's strongest surrogate now. This is pretty much the most patronizing thing the McCain campaign could have done. I think I was concerned about this choice for about 10 minutes, but seriously, Democrats are going to have a field day with this.

I think John McCain just shored up any holdouts of the Democratic Party that Obama and the Clinton's didn't reach. John McCain's decision to pick Sarah Palin as his VP is ridiculously transparent...not to mention incredibly insulting. :cmad:

[Spider-Fan]

When I heard this announcement, I shook my head. My friend (not a big Obama fan) was insulted by this pick, and was blasting the McCain campaign for it. McCain made a new Obama supporter that way :up:

[Zen]

I just dont get this... how does he think this is a good idea? seriously? is McCain this shortsighted?

[Zen]

If this works out, im going to have to eat my hat folks.

[Marx]

I just dont get this... how does he think this is a good idea? seriously? is McCain this shortsighted?

I can tell you that I had no intention of campaigning for Obama, but I will after John McCain's VP stunt.

[lazur]

I just dont get this... how does he think this is a good idea? seriously? is McCain this shortsighted?

I'm not getting why anyone thinks it's a bad idea. So far, I haven't seen any reasonable argument except that she's 'inexperienced' despite her 16 year political foundation...

[Julio Alejandro]

And, Obama selecting Biden wasn't a ploy to plug his own gap?

[Marx]

I'm not getting why anyone thinks it's a bad idea. So far, I haven't seen any reasonable argument except that she's 'inexperienced' despite her 16 year political foundation...

If Obama had picked Clinton, do you honestly believe McCain would have picked Palin?

[StrainedEyes]

If Obama had picked Clinton, do you honestly believe McCain would have picked Palin?

That's why McCain waited so long to decide, he wanted to see who Obama picked, and then wanted to see how Biden faired at the convention. He had so much longer to choose his running mate then Obama did, yet he didn't fully decide till yesterday? C'mon McCain,

[jaguarr]

So, I've been thinking about McCain's age a bit more since he announced Palin. Honestly, it wasn't something that concerned me a whole lot before, but the more I think about it, the more I start to become concerned about it. Yes, I know he's supposedly been given a clean bill of health by his doctors and all, but there are a few factors that affect my thinking around his currently clean bill of health. The first is that he's had four bouts of cancer. Yes, he's beaten them, but if it comes back and takes him down (not out of the realm of possibility)? The second is that he was tortured heavily as POW. That takes years off of a person's life and affects their long-term health, no matter how you look at it. The third is that, at that age, health can turn south very quickly with very little warning, even when a person is in otherwise great health. And the fourth is that the stress of the job of POTUS is immense (and that's understating it). Look at how much Bush aged, even in just his first four years. Look at Bill Clinton as he progressed through his Presidency. The amount of stress that position comes with is incredible and clearly ages a person faster than what would otherwise be normal. This could also have adverse effects on McCain. If any of these very easily occurring things were to come to pass, Palin's in the big chair and frankly, that scares me a bit.

jag

[Sexecutioner]

I doubt McCain is stupid enough to nominate a VP based solely on what genitals they have.

[rdh007]

And, Obama selecting Biden wasn't a ploy to plug his own gap?

This is precisely why it was a better pick. It was pragmatic. Not aesthetic.
Obama: I am short on foreign policy experience, so I'll pick someone who isn't.
McCain: I am short on the economy, so I'll pick someone who was really great on the Wasilla City Council.

[jaguarr]

I doubt McCain is stupid enough to nominate a VP based solely on what genitals they have.

http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_bowie.jpg

jag

[Franklin Richards]

So, I've been thinking about McCain's age a bit more since he announced Palin. Honestly, it wasn't something that concerned me a whole lot before, but the more I think about it, the more I start to become concerned about it. Yes, I know he's supposedly been given a clean bill of health by his doctors and all, but there are a few factors that affect my thinking around his currently clean bill of health. The first is that he's had four bouts of cancer. Yes, he's beaten them, but if it comes back and takes him down (not out of the realm of possibility)? The second is that he was tortured heavily as POW. That takes years off of a person's life and affects their long-term health, no matter how you look at it. The third is that, at that age, health can turn south very quickly with very little warning, even when a person is in otherwise great health. And the fourth is that the stress of the job of POTUS is immense (and that's understating it). Look at how much Bush aged, even in just his first four years. Look at Bill Clinton as he progressed through his Presidency. The amount of stress that position comes with is incredible and clearly ages a person faster than what would otherwise be normal. This could also have adverse effects on McCain. If any of these very easily occurring things were to come to pass, Palin's in the big chair and frankly, that scares me a bit.

jag

I don't care how healthy he is. People over 70 shouldn't be allowed to drive, much less hold The Button.


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[rdh007]

I think Romney would have been worse, actually. I don't think his faith would secure the evangelical wing of the Republican Party. Palin is at least a dedicated Christian, who has a record of supporting all the positions she currently supports. Unlike Romney, who ran as a liberal when he was running for Governor but magically changed his positions a year before he ran for President.

McCain has secured the Republican base, but I don't know if this will help him in the long run. It may help him now, but in the coming months, I think people will hesitate to vote for McCain-Palin. This VP picks reeks of desperation.

I don't know that the evangelicals are also the base. There are a lot of them, and they certainly helped in 2004, but the base? I don't know.

I won't argue that Palin is more consistent than Mitt, but I would argue that he is eminently more qualified to succeed McCain, if for no other reason than he ran a state that people live in. I liked the sense that Mitt would listen to his constituency, but that doesn't always play well. But, I can understand why McCain didn't pick him. You couldn't pick on Biden's Obama criticisms and then turn around and pick your biggest critic. Though apparently that doesn't count for the "Experience counts" critique.

[The Senator]

I think John McCain just shored up any holdouts of the Democratic Party that Obama and the Clinton's didn't reach. John McCain's decision to pick Sarah Palin as his VP is ridiculously transparent...not to mention incredibly insulting. :cmad:

It is insulting. It is insulting to this country to select someone with twenty months worth of experience to serve a heartbeat away from the presidency. It is insulting to select someone who hasn't had enough time to demonstrate her ability to lead as a running mate. And it is BEYOND insulting, and just plain disgusting, to select a running mate SOLELY because of her gender.

Hillary Clinton will be fighting this, I have no doubt about it. Because while she may hope that McCain-Palin wins so that in four years, she can run for President... she doesn't want to be left out of the history books herself. If Palin becomes VP, then she becomes the highest woman to ever hold office in this country. If Palin wins, she'll have enough time to develop a reputation, and perhaps become a strong candidate for the presidency in eight years. And where will that leave Hillary? In eight years under a female Vice President, voters will start to forget about her. And if Clinton ran against Palin, she knows that the country would have to choose between an extremely polarizing candidate and a well-liked candidate who has had time to prove herself a leader in the executive branch.

Mark my words, the Clintons will fight this. Hillary's legacy depends on it.

[DorkyFresh]

i always thought of McCain as a joke, but with the pick of Palin as his VP i now think of him as a very BAD joke. at least i can imagine Biden being ready to take over as president if Obama were to die while in office. McCain is already 72 and he just picked someone who clearly isn't ready to be president in the likely event that McCain kicks the bucket.

[Marx]

i always thought of McCain as a joke, but with the pick of Palin as his VP i now think of him as a very BAD joke. at least i can imagine Biden being ready to take over as president if Obama were to die while in office. McCain is already 72 and he just picked someone who clearly isn't ready to be president in the likely event that McCain kicks the bucket.

Biden is more than qualified to be President. (I believe he would be an excellent one.) Palin...on the other hand...just isn't.

[jaguarr]

I honestly can't fathom the thought of Palin trying to reason and negotiate with someone like Putin or that Iranian President, Mr. Abwhatever :funny:

jag

[chaseter]

Well Johnny...after your VP pick I will not vote for you no matter what you say. I do not like Obama but at least he got Biden. You don't need a genius to figure out why you asked a woman.

[terry78]

Like I said before, McCain is too senile right now. He's going to be at a press conference, see an Asian reporter ask him a question, and then start going into shell shock talking about how "Charlie ain't gonna get the drop on us this time, boys!"

[javphonic]

In other news, scientists have just discovered that the Earth does in fact revolve around the sun. :o

So it's not just you. :p

nice....

but sadly, even though everyone knows... I feel it'll still work

[Franklin Richards]

But can she spell potatoes?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[kainedamo]

I was watching the Palin speech earlier today.

I thought to myself, at least her son is in Iraq. Most of these (excuse my french) they make these decisions and there's no risk to them. At least her kid is in Iraq so she knows how other families feel. Still, doesn't stop the fact that the Iraq war is wrong, doesn't stop the fact that they have inadequate equipment thats caused deaths, doesn't stop the fact that these guys get (excuse my french) once they come home and end up having to leave for another tour within months of getting home.

[souvlaki]

I was watching the Palin speech earlier today.

I thought to myself, at least her son is in Iraq. Most of these (excuse my french) they make these decisions and there's no risk to them. At least her kid is in Iraq so she knows how other families feel. Still, doesn't stop the fact that the Iraq war is wrong, doesn't stop the fact that they have inadequate equipment thats caused deaths, doesn't stop the fact that these guys get (excuse my french) once they come home and end up having to leave for another tour within months of getting home.

Ironically enough she has no opinion on the war in Iraq. She says she's been too busy dealing with her own state to pay attention to the war. Seriously, that is a big, huge, WTF.

[kainedamo]

Ironically enough she has no opinion on the war in Iraq. She says she's been too busy dealing with her own state to pay attention to the war. Seriously, that is a big, huge, WTF.

Hmm, Biden is probably gonna tear her apart in the debates.

[SuBe]

I was watching the Palin speech earlier today.

I thought to myself, at least her son is in Iraq. Most of these (excuse my french) they make these decisions and there's no risk to them. At least her kid is in Iraq so she knows how other families feel. Still, doesn't stop the fact that the Iraq war is wrong, doesn't stop the fact that they have inadequate equipment thats caused deaths, doesn't stop the fact that these guys get (excuse my french) once they come home and end up having to leave for another tour within months of getting home.
Have you met anyone in the US Military that has been in Iraq, or anyone that has been wounded there?

[RAMORE]

I don't care how healthy he is. People over 70 shouldn't be allowed to drive, much less hold The Button.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Ok now this is just wrong and insulting on so many levels and you are wrong for saying it:cmad::csad:

[jaguarr]

Ironically enough she has no opinion on the war in Iraq. She says she's been too busy dealing with her own state to pay attention to the war. Seriously, that is a big, huge, WTF.

Doesn't she have a son over there? How can you not have an opinion on the war when you have a child that's in it? :huh:

jag

[kainedamo]

Have you met anyone in the US Military that has been in Iraq, or anyone that has been wounded there?

Nope.

[kainedamo]

Michael Stipe might leave the US if McCain wins.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/REM-Frontman-Michael-Stipe-Wants-US-To-Elect-Barack-Obama/Article/200808415089777?lpos=Showbiz%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15089777_REM%2BFrontman%2BMichael%2BSt ipe%2BWants%2BUS%2BTo%2BElect%2BBarack%2BObama

[SuBe]

Michael Stipe might leave the US if McCain wins.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/REM-Frontman-Michael-Stipe-Wants-US-To-Elect-Barack-Obama/Article/200808415089777?lpos=Showbiz%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15089777_REM%2BFrontman%2BMichael%2BSt ipe%2BWants%2BUS%2BTo%2BElect%2BBarack%2BObama
I hope so. Kaine, I'm surprised you are taking that seriously, I'm still waiting for Susan Sarandon and Barbara Streisand to leave from the 2000 elections.

[SuBe]

Nope.
Just so u know, of all the Marines and Soliders I know, most of them has been to Iraq multiple times, Ordered to go the first time. Volunteered to go the 2nd and 3rd. My brother, on his 2nd tour, got caught in an IED explosion, and re-habed for 6 months, and went back for a 3rd tour. Because he believes in the mission. He sees the look on the Iraqi childrens faces. The admiration in the people there, and the Thanks he gets from them. The Military guys know they are doing a good job and are getting the job done. Even thought the Media don't report it.

[chaseter]

I hope so. Kaine, I'm surprised you are taking that seriously, I'm still waiting for Susan Sarandon and Barbara Streisand to leave from the 2000 elections.
I think most of us will help them with that.

As for McCain appointing Palin, he is doomed. Trying to scoop up Hillary supporters along with a landmark as a woman for VP doesn't match the landmark as a black man for president and Biden is far better than Palin anyways. Sorry McCain but you lost now.

[kainedamo]

Just so u know, of all the Marines and Soliders I know, most of them has been to Iraq multiple times, Ordered to go the first time. Volunteered to go the 2nd and 3rd. My brother, on his 2nd tour, got caught in an IED explosion, and re-habed for 6 months, and went back for a 3rd tour. Because he believes in the mission. He sees the look on the Iraqi childrens faces. The admiration in the people there, and the Thanks he gets from them. The Military guys know they are doing a good job and are getting the job done. Even thought the Media don't report it.

So it must piss you off that the Republicans have treated troops so badly over the last eight years, huh?

[The Chairman]

I hope so. Kaine, I'm surprised you are taking that seriously, I'm still waiting for Susan Sarandon and Barbara Streisand to leave from the 2000 elections.

Sarandon threatened to leave last year.

[SuBe]

So it must piss you off that the Republicans have treated troops so badly over the last eight years, huh?
No, because I was in the Marines during Sept 11th 2001, up until 2005. So, no, I was never treated badly. My brother has never been treated badly. All my friends have never been treated badly. So, no. It doesn't piss me off that the Republicans have treated troops badly, infact I like what they did, they increased the Pay for Troops, that's something that Clinton didn't get around to doing.

Oh, I know what it is, you are believing the Liberal Media News Outlets. Thats why you think that they have it so bad. Ok, gotcha.

[Mr Sparkle]

I hope so. Kaine, I'm surprised you are taking that seriously, I'm still waiting for Susan Sarandon and Barbara Streisand to leave from the 2000 elections.

why do you hope Michael Stipe leaves?
did he do something to you or something?:huh:

[jaguarr]

Michael Stipe might leave the US if McCain wins.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/REM-Frontman-Michael-Stipe-Wants-US-To-Elect-Barack-Obama/Article/200808415089777?lpos=Showbiz%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15089777_REM%2BFrontman%2BMichael%2BSt ipe%2BWants%2BUS%2BTo%2BElect%2BBarack%2BObama

*sigh* I hate it when celebrities pull this crap. No one cares if you will leave. Especially when most of the people who threaten to do so never do. If you want to promote your support for a candidate, there are much better ways to go about it than this.

jag

[SuBe]

Sarandon threatened to leave last year.
I remember seeing her on some news program in 2000 with Tim Robbins, talking about leaving for Canada if Bush won. I'm still waiting.

[SuBe]

why do you hope Michael Stipe leaves?
did he do something to you or something?:huh:
No, I just don't like when someone claims to leave if so-and-so wins the election, because I have yet to hear or read about someone that actually does it. So, I hope this Stipe Guy actually does what he say he will do.

[EdRyder]

No, because I was in the Marines during Sept 11th 2001, up until 2005. So, no, I was never treated badly. My brother has never been treated badly. All my friends have never been treated badly. So, no. It doesn't piss me off that the Republicans have treated troops badly, infact I like what they did, they increased the Pay for Troops, that's something that Clinton didn't get around to doing.

Oh, I know what it is, you are believing the Liberal Media News Outlets. Thats why you think that they have it so bad. Ok, gotcha.

Clinton gave the military its largest pay hike they had in 30 years.Weve been over this before havent we?

[Mr Sparkle]

No, because I was in the Marines during Sept 11th 2001, up until 2005. So, no, I was never treated badly. My brother has never been treated badly. All my friends have never been treated badly. So, no. It doesn't piss me off that the Republicans have treated troops badly, infact I like what they did, they increased the Pay for Troops, that's something that Clinton didn't get around to doing.

Oh, I know what it is, you are believing the Liberal Media News Outlets. Thats why you think that they have it so bad. Ok, gotcha.

:huh:

The Bush administration today threatened to a veto a House defense spending bill over a 3.5 percent pay raise for U.S. soldiers and a $40/month increase in benefits for military widows, among other provisions. The legislation passed the House today 397-27. (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/17/bush-military-veto/)

that's from 07

Democrats in Congress are accusing the Bush administration of cutting the compensation of troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, but administration officials rebutted the argument by saying that while certain raises in bonuses would not be extended, overall compensation would not be reduced, the Boston Globe reports. (http://hr.blr.com/news.aspx?id=8775)

that's from 03

President Bush has tried every year in his two presidential terms to cut the budget of the Veteran's Administration (VA). It was so bad a couple of years ago that the head of the VA had to declare that due to a lack of funding, they were cutting back on the care given to the vets. He also stated that by mid-year, he would declare the VA totally broke. After this declaration, with a strong push by the Democrats in Congress, additional funding was finally pushed through the Congress (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/72436).

that's a fact

Newsmax.com reported in October 2003 that nearly one-quarter of US troops in Iraq did not have new ceramic body armor that protects from bullets from assault rifles. The article went on to report that President Bush did not request more money for body armor (http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=524)

that's from 05 from Newsmax.....how very...uh..liberal.

plus, not for nothing, but basically, if you were in the army from sept 11th 01 to 2005 then, uh....you basically served under the remnants of the CLINTON military, as Bush had spent much of the defense budget that first year on his "missile defense shield".


In fact, the Clinton administration actually spent more money on defense than the previous administration of President George H.W. Bush. The smaller outlays during the first Bush administration were developed and approved by then-Defense Secretary Cheney and then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell. The Clinton administration did not coast on Reagan-era procurement funding. During the 1990s, the Pentagon invested more than $1 trillion in developing and procuring new weapons and information technology that gave U.S. forces such an unprecedented advantage in the last two U.S. military campaigns. But more significant than the budget increases was the shift that occurred in the mid-1990s. That shift involved much greater emphasis on precision weapons, sensors, robotics, advanced communications, training, readiness, and orienting the intelligence community toward direct support of military operations. It was that shift that produced the superb military that not only swept through Iraq at a rate that defied historical precedent, but used its awesome force with unprecedented precision and effect, unprecedented low collateral damage, and unprecedented low casualty rates. It was the American Revolution in Military Affairs begun in the Clinton administration that was unveiled in Bush's Operation Iraqi Freedom. (http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=124&subsecID=159&contentID=251793)

darn them facts!:cwink:

[Mr Sparkle]

No, I just don't like when someone claims to leave if so-and-so wins the election, because I have yet to hear or read about someone that actually does it. So, I hope this Stipe Guy actually does what he say he will do.

Stipe-guy? heathen! you are dead to me.

[SuBe]

Stipe-guy? heathen! you are dead to me.
Meh.

[Mr Sparkle]

was that the wails of the dead I hear?

[SuBe]

was that the wails of the dead I hear?
:hehe:

[imdaly]

I hope so. Kaine, I'm surprised you are taking that seriously, I'm still waiting for Susan Sarandon and Barbara Streisand to leave from the 2000 elections.

Now don't go forgetting Alec Baldwin, too! ;)

[EdRyder]

I remember the first time he threatened to veto a 3.7 hike in 07 Sparkle.,,He called the 40 dollar a month widows benefit increase "unnecessary"
Bush budget officials said the administration “strongly opposes” both the 3.5 percent raise for 2008 and the follow-on increases, calling extra pay increases “unnecessary.”



– a $40/month allowance for military survivors, saying the current benefits are “sufficient”

– additional benefits for surviving family members of civilian employees

– price controls for prescription drugs under TRICARE, the military’s health care plan for military personnel and their dependents

[SuBe]

Now don't go forgetting Alec Baldwin, too! ;)
There should be a list. There are a ton of them I've heard about over the years, but I can't remember all of them.

[The Senator]

Alec Baldwin, Susan Surrandon, Tim Robbins, and Sean Penn do not speak for me.

Sean Penn is a douchebag and I truly hope that something awful happens to him.

[SuBe]

Alec Baldwin, Susan Surrandon, Tim Robbins, and Sean Penn do not speak for me.

Sean Penn is a douchebag and I truly hope that something awful happens to him.
He COULD try to make a bad movie once in a while, sshesh!

[DorkyFresh]

:huh:

that's from 07

that's from 03

that's a fact

that's from 05 from Newsmax.....how very...uh..liberal.

plus, not for nothing, but basically, if you were in the army from sept 11th 01 to 2005 then, uh....you basically served under the remnants of the CLINTON military, as Bush had spent much of the defense budget that first year on his "missile defense shield".




darn them facts!:cwink:

wow...and those don't even cover the extended tours.

[The Senator]

He COULD try to make a bad movie once in a while, sshesh!

You mean like all of his movies?

Why is it, than in every Sean Penn movie, there has to be a scene with him screaming uncontrollably? He has such limited acting range, yet people love him. I don't get it.

I think the truly awful thing that could happen to him would be losing the Oscar for that biopic of Harvey Milk he is making. He only took the role, I'm sure, so he could win another award. If he loses, my life will be complete.

And I hope Chris Rock pummels him for acting like a douche at the Academy Awards a few years back.

[The Chairman]

Alec Baldwin, Susan Surrandon, Tim Robbins, and Sean Penn do not speak for me.

Sean Penn is a douchebag and I truly hope that something awful happens to him.

Agreed, though the Sean Penn thing is wrong. Nothing can happen to Spicolli. Nothing. Plus, Milk looks awesome.

Also, her unorthodox way of expressing her political views aside, Susan Sarandon is one of the most awesome people I've ever met.

[kainedamo]

:huh:



that's from 07



that's from 03



that's a fact


that's from 05 from Newsmax.....how very...uh..liberal.

plus, not for nothing, but basically, if you were in the army from sept 11th 01 to 2005 then, uh....you basically served under the remnants of the CLINTON military, as Bush had spent much of the defense budget that first year on his "missile defense shield".




darn them facts!:cwink:

Whoohoo!

[The Senator]

Agreed, though the Sean Penn thing is wrong. Nothing can happen to Spicolli. Nothing. Plus, Milk looks awesome.

Also, her unorthodox way of expressing her political views aside, Susan Sarandon is one of the most awesome people I've ever met.

Sean Penn is to indie movies as Nicolas Cage is to action flicks.

[SuBe]

:huh:



that's from 07



that's from 03



that's a fact


that's from 05 from Newsmax.....how very...uh..liberal.

plus, not for nothing, but basically, if you were in the army from sept 11th 01 to 2005 then, uh....you basically served under the remnants of the CLINTON military, as Bush had spent much of the defense budget that first year on his "missile defense shield".




darn them facts!:cwink:Not for Nothing, if you will hear the wails of a DeadGuy, I apologize. You are right.

But, I have not been personally affected by anything Negatively by Administratoin, and neither has my brothers mentioned to me anything negative.

[The Chairman]

Sean Penn is to indie movies as Nicolas Cage is to action flicks.

Ill suited?

[SuBe]

Sean Penn is to indie movies as Nicolas Cage is to action flicks.
That is an interesting view. I liked a couple of his movies, but he does need to be "Shut up" more.

[The Chairman]

Baldwin > Penn > Robbins. Robbins was only good in Shawshank.

[jaguarr]

Oh, good grief. McCain is against Net Neutrality (which irks me enough as it is) AND...AND...he would make Steve Ballmer his technology adviser. Ballmer? The guy who has almost single handedly killed Microsoft? You've got to be kidding me!

http://www.thedailybackground.com/2007/05/30/mccain-comes-out-against-net-neutrality-says-would-hire-microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer/

McCain comes out against Net Neutrality; Says would hire Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer
Filed at 6:05 pm, Wednesday May 30th 2007
by Arlen Parsa

Republican presidential hopeful John McCain yesterday attended a technology conference and came out against Net Neutrality.

McCain said he did not think government regulation of internet service providers to stop them from censoring, slowing down, or otherwise disrupting consumer’s access to the internet in order to stifle competitors or undesirable content was an appropriate solution. In fact, McCain even seemed at one point to be open to ISPs censoring consumer’s internet experience to block access to competitors’ services, saying at one point “When you control the pipe you should be able to get profit from your investment.”

McCain’s comments came at the D: Al Things Digital conference in Carlsbad, California. The annual conference is organized by the Wall Street Journal and hosted by tech gurus Walter Mossberg and Kara Swisher.

McCain later added “I’m all for the government encouraging competition, but I’ve found over time that less government involvement is better.” In one publicized case which critics say was an example of ISP censorship, AOL censored email sent by their users which included links to the anti-AOL website DearAOL.com. After there was an outcry on the internet, AOL later claimed the censorship was unintentional and that a technical glitch somehow only effected emails including the URL.

“Unless there is a clear-cut, unequivocal restraint of competition, the government should stay out of it,” McCain said. “These things will sort themselves out.”

In the past, McCain has said made statements strongly favorable towards telcos. In a statement issued after a 2006 Senate hearing into the matter, McCain said “I believe that the network operators should get a return on their infrastructure investments.” He also claimed that at the same time he did not want ISPs to block internet access to consumers, but when a bill came up to prevent this type of corporate censorship, McCain opposed it.

In another move that was sure to infuriate many geeks, the 70 year old presidential hopeful also said that he would ask Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to serve on his cabinet to deal with technology issues if elected. He did not however say what position Ballmer might be hired in, but did joke that he might consider him for a diplomatic position, such as ambassador to China.

Ballmer is not known in the tech industry for his diplomatic prowess: he once threw a chair across his office saying he would “f**king kill Google” after learning that a prized employee had defected to the search giant.

jag

[kainedamo]

Ballmer is not known in the tech industry for his diplomatic prowess: he once threw a chair across his office saying he would “f**king kill Google” after learning that a prized employee had defected to the search giant.

How do you kill Google? Silver, crosses, stakes, harpoons...

Ballmer should read Moby Dick before its too late.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Oh, good grief. McCain is against Net Neutrality (which irks me enough as it is) AND...AND...he would make Steve Ballmer his technology adviser. Ballmer? The guy who has almost single handedly killed Microsoft? You've got to be kidding me!



jag

Yeah, that amused me as well.

Consider it a senior moment Jag. :p

[DorkyFresh]

oh Johnny boy!!! you're so slick....(sarcasm)

1RN5xbWtNSU

[Marx]

oh Johnny boy!!! you're so slick....(sarcasm)

1RN5xbWtNSU

Pretty sad, if you ask me.

[DorkyFresh]

funny thing is...Cindy McCain is right behind them!



i seriously hope someone brings back into light the question of health insurances covering Viagra and not birth control. it's a question that damages BOTH McCain AND Palin.

[imdaly]

oh Johnny boy!!! you're so slick....(sarcasm)

1RN5xbWtNSU

I don't understand what this video showing McCain looking at Palin's speech notes and twiddling his ring in a nervous manner like many people who wear a rind to is trying to say?

Ohhhh, I see. It's trying to be funny by making it look like he's checking out Palin and contemplating leaving his wife for her.

:whatever::whatever:

[Comicfilmer]

I don't understand what this video showing McCain looking at Palin's speech notes and twiddling his ring in a nervous manner like many people who wear a rind to is trying to say?

Ohhhh, I see. It's trying to be funny by making it look like he's checking out Palin and contemplating leaving his wife for her.

:whatever::whatever:

Why so serious?

[DorkyFresh]

yeah...we TOTALLY didn't just see Palin uncomfortably back away as McCain tried to get close to her while she was waving to the crowd.




btw, how many times have we seen McCain nervously twiddling with his ring finger before Friday?

Why so serious?

how appropriate! :woot:

[JackMercy]

I don't understand what this video showing McCain looking at Palin's speech notes and twiddling his ring in a nervous manner like many people who wear a rind to is trying to say?

Ohhhh, I see. It's trying to be funny by making it look like he's checking out Palin and contemplating leaving his wife for her.

:whatever::whatever:

Did you not catch the creepy, extremely awkward, post-high school prom-esque moment (He: "I want to kiss you" She: "But I don't like you in that way") between the two at the end, replayed for clarification?

[terry78]

McCain really is the wrinkly white haired old dude.

[Marx]

Analysis: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/12997

[kainedamo]

Did you not catch the creepy, extremely awkward, post-high school prom-esque moment (He: "I want to kiss you" She: "But I don't like you in that way") between the two at the end, replayed for clarification?

I noticed it when I first watched it on tv. She seems uncomfortable around him.

[Sexecutioner]

funny thing is...Cindy McCain is right behind them!



i seriously hope someone brings back into light the question of health insurances covering Viagra and not birth control. it's a question that damages BOTH McCain AND Palin.

Erectile dysfunction is a medical condition. Contraceptives are a lifestyle choice.

[Superman]

oh Johnny boy!!! you're so slick....(sarcasm)

1RN5xbWtNSUThat wedding ring is getting kinda tight there huh John?:hehe::hehe:

[jaguarr]

oh Johnny boy!!! you're so slick....(sarcasm)

1RN5xbWtNSU

:lmao:

Wow. That was creepyhilarious!

jag

[jaguarr]

How do you kill Google? Silver, crosses, stakes, harpoons...

Ballmer should read Moby Dick before its too late.

Yeah, that amused me as well.

Consider it a senior moment Jag. :p

Ballmer? Really? The guy has taken sleaze and unfair business tactics to new lows at Microsoft. He'd COMPLETELY abuse the position of Technology Czar for his and Microsoft's gain. Not to mention he's continually demonstrated just what a NON-visionary he is in technology.

jag

[kainedamo]

I noticed it when I was watching it live! The way she turns away from him and his awkwardness standing there.

[Mr Sparkle]

Not for Nothing, if you will hear the wails of a DeadGuy, I apologize. You are right.

But, I have not been personally affected by anything Negatively by Administratoin, and neither has my brothers mentioned to me anything negative.

meh, no big deal.:cwink:
it's just that experiences vary from person to person I wasn't affected at all, not even being from your country, but still, a fact is a fact.

[SuBe]

meh, no big deal.:cwink:
it's just that experiences vary from person to person I wasn't affected at all, not even being from your country, but still, a fact is a fact.
Am I still dead to you?

[Thinkton]

John Mccain fiddles with is finger all the time. He does this to re-join his joints dues to his torture as a POW for five years. It's common, so don't make it an big issue. Here is another videos of him and his finger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5seJqcH5H4&feature=related

[Oddzball]

I disagree....

Well you're technically right. Party registered voters greatly outnumber the independents, but in a tight race, they're the people who decide the election.

So they're disproportionately important.

[DorkyFresh]

John Mccain fiddles with is finger all the time. He does this to re-join his joints dues to his torture as a POW for five years. It's common, so don't make it an big issue. Here is another videos of him and his finger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5seJqcH5H4&feature=related

the video you posted didn't show up, but i saw it anyway. that doesn't really prove anything though. as the last 8 years have proven, he has quite the crush on Bush as well. :oldrazz:

in all seriousness though, i honestly don't think he was ogling over her as much as they made it look like he was. however, he should probably watch his body language from now on so no one gets that kind of perception. the last few seconds of that video were very telling even if the finger twiddling and constant looking down and to his left wasn't.

[Superman4ever]

oh Johnny boy!!! you're so slick....(sarcasm)

1RN5xbWtNSU

:grin::grin:

[Thinkton]

During my intense political scientific research and accurate acknowledgement I hereby saying that John Sidney McCain III 44th President of the United States of America. Here are my electoral votes results.

http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=96718663jz9.jpg

As of August 30, 2008

[jaguarr]

During my intense political scientific research and accurate acknowledgement I hereby saying that John Sidney McCain III 44th President of the United States of America. Here are my electoral votes results.

http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=96718663jz9.jpg

As of August 30, 2008

Okay, so you...clicked on a bunch of states to make them red in your fake election to make McCain win...your....fake election? :huh:

jag

[Superman]

During my intense political scientific research and accurate acknowledgement I hereby saying that John Sidney McCain III 44th President of the United States of America. Here are my electoral votes results.

http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=96718663jz9.jpg

As of August 30, 2008That's funny, When I did that at USA Today all the states turned blue. Except for Alaska, I gave that one to McCain since he has Palin.

:whatever:

[Sexecutioner]

During my intense political scientific research and accurate acknowledgement I hereby saying that John Sidney McCain III 44th President of the United States of America. Here are my electoral votes results.

http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=96718663jz9.jpg

As of August 30, 2008

I'd give Iowa to Obama. Also, Obama may win some southern states. By my count, if McCain loses Missouri, Tennessee, or Georgia, Obama wins. This election will likely come down to 1-2 states, again.

[SuBe]

I'd give Iowa to Obama. Also, Obama may win some southern states. By my count, if McCain loses Missouri, Tennessee, or Georgia, Obama wins. This election will likely come down to 1-2 states, again.
Does anyone know how many Presidential Elections where decided by 1% of the vote like the last two?

[hippie_hunter]

I'd give Iowa to Obama. Also, Obama may win some southern states. By my count, if McCain loses Missouri, Tennessee, or Georgia, Obama wins. This election will likely come down to 1-2 states, again.

Obama is not going to win Missouri, Tennessee, or Georgia. Obama winning those states is like McCain winning Washington, New Jersey, and Oregon. Hell will freeze over before any of that happens.

This election is going to go down to Virginia and Ohio. If McCain wins both of them, he'll win. If he loses one of them, he's going to lose unless he counters it with taking Pennsylvania or Michigan.

[Thinkton]

Okay, so you...clicked on a bunch of states to make them red in your fake election to make McCain win...your....fake election? :huh:

jag

Like I said "During my intense political scientific research and accurate acknowledgement"

That's funny, When I did that at USA Today all the states turned blue. Except for Alaska, I gave that one to McCain since he has Palin.

:whatever:

Superman

Your just being dumb.

[hippie_hunter]

Like I said "During my intense political scientific research and accurate acknowledgement"
You sound rather silly



Your just being dumb.
He's being funny if you ask me.

[Superman]

You sound rather silly




He's being funny if you ask me.Thank you.:woot:

[jaguarr]

Like I said "During my intense political scientific research and accurate acknowledgement"


It would seem you and I have different working nominal definitions of "intense", "scientific", "research", "accurate" and "acknowledgment".

Cheers,
jag

[Superman]

Like I said "During my intense political scientific research and accurate acknowledgement"What the hell does that mean?

You went to the USA Today site and clicked on a bunch of states to make them red, So what? It wasn't "intense", It wasn't "scientific" and it sure as hell wasn't "accurate". All it was was what YOU wanted it to be, A map that said McCain wins.

So what's your point?:huh:

[Mr Sparkle]

Am I still dead to you?

you're an apparition right now, go buy "automatic for the people" from R.E.M. (recorded by that "stipe guy") and you will be fully resurrected.

[jaguarr]

http://www.komodorock.com/latest-news/latest-news/van-halen-jump-on-mccain-for-using-song-200809017225/

Van Halen Jump On McCain For Using Song Print E-mail
Monday, 01 September 2008

vanhalen-2007.jpgAccording to WENN, Van Halen have become the latest rockers to upset presidential candidate John McCain's campaign trail by insisting he stops using one of their songs at political rallies.

McCain used Van Halen's "Right Now" during a speech he made in Ohio on Friday and the band has been quick to point out that neither the senator nor his campaign bosses had the the OK to play it.

A spokesman for the group's management tells TMZ.com "Permission was not sought or granted, nor would it have been given. Van Halen are not political, they're just rock and roll."

Earlier this month Jackson Browne sued McCain's Republican Party for using his "Running On Empty" hit in a campaign ad for the Arizona Senator.

Browne's lawyer Lawrence Iser said, "In light of Jackson Browne's lifelong commitment to Democratic ideals and political candidates, the misappropriation of Jackson Browne's endorsement is entirely reprehensible."

jag

[Franklin Richards]

Couldn't the candidates just pay ASCAP or BMI and tell the artists to kiss their asses?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Sexecutioner]

During my intense political scientific research and accurate acknowledgement I hereby saying that John Sidney McCain III 44th President of the United States of America. Here are my electoral votes results.

http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=96718663jz9.jpg

As of August 30, 2008

It's weird and funny, and very unlikely, but according to that UsaToday tracker, all Obama would have to win is Florida and he automatically wins.

[Kelly]

Couldn't the candidates just pay ASCAP or BMI and tell the artists to kiss their asses?


:thing: :doom: :thing:


I was thinking the same damn thing.....

Hell, schools do it, you would think campaigns could put out a few hundred dollars......it's not that much.......and they only need to do it for a year.....schools do it every year.

[Kelly]

Obama is not going to win Missouri, Tennessee, or Georgia. Obama winning those states is like McCain winning Washington, New Jersey, and Oregon. Hell will freeze over before any of that happens.

This election is going to go down to Virginia and Ohio. If McCain wins both of them, he'll win. If he loses one of them, he's going to lose unless he counters it with taking Pennsylvania or Michigan.


People need to watch the region in Ohio where McCain announced his running mate............that will tell you who will win the election.









and what the hell happened to the hype.....I have more junk at the bottom, and people asking to be my friend...................:o:oldrazz: I don't want to be anyone's friend.........

[Marx]

People need to watch the region in Ohio where McCain announced his running mate............that will tell you who will win the election.






and what the hell happened to the hype.....I have more junk at the bottom, and people asking to be my friend...................:o:oldrazz: I don't want to be anyone's friend.........

Upgrades. And I don't have anyone wanting to be my friend, so consider yourself fortunate! People like you! :oldrazz:

[Kelly]

Upgrades. And I don't have anyone wanting to be my friend, so consider yourself fortunate! People like you! :oldrazz:




Aaaaawwww Marx, I'll be your friend......:csad::yay:

[Überlibran]

The more I learn about this so-called 'vetting' process, the more I call McCain's judgment into question. It sounds like he wanted Lieberman but the powers that be put a kibosh on it, and he didn't even really consider Palin until 4-5 days before the selection, and then didn't start the vetting process until the Thursday in which he picked her.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html

[Marx]

McCain camp: Questions on Palin's party a 'smear'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics





(Is anyone else surprised that they would lay blame on the Obama campaign? I'm not. :whatever:)

[jaguarr]

McCain camp: Questions on Palin's party a 'smear'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics





(Is anyone else surprised that they would lay blame on the Obama campaign? I'm not. :whatever:)

Oh, good grief. They picked a dog with a ton of fleas and now they're blaming the neighbor for it.

jag

[Superman]

The more I learn about this so-called 'vetting' process, the more I call McCain's judgment into question. It sounds like he wanted Lieberman but the powers that be put a kibosh on it, and he didn't even really consider Palin until 4-5 days before the selection, and then didn't start the vetting process until the Thursday in which he picked her.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.htmlHell, He only met the woman ONE time before he picked her to be his VP.

That must of been one hell of a meeting.:whatever:

[Superman]

Van Halen Jump On McCain For Using Song Print E-mail
Monday, 01 September 2008

vanhalen-2007.jpgAccording to WENN, Van Halen have become the latest rockers to upset presidential candidate John McCain's campaign trail by insisting he stops using one of their songs at political rallies.

McCain used Van Halen's "Right Now" during a speech he made in Ohio on Friday and the band has been quick to point out that neither the senator nor his campaign bosses had the the OK to play it.

A spokesman for the group's management tells TMZ.com "Permission was not sought or granted, nor would it have been given. Van Halen are not political, they're just rock and roll."

Earlier this month Jackson Browne sued McCain's Republican Party for using his "Running On Empty" hit in a campaign ad for the Arizona Senator.

Browne's lawyer Lawrence Iser said, "In light of Jackson Browne's lifelong commitment to Democratic ideals and political candidates, the misappropriation of Jackson Browne's endorsement is entirely reprehensible."
jagI knew I liked Van Halen for a reason. :up: :hehe:

[kainedamo]

McCain camp: Questions on Palin's party a 'smear'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics





(Is anyone else surprised that they would lay blame on the Obama campaign? I'm not. :whatever:)

Ugh, that's pathetic.

Obama's campaign isn't touching it with a ten foot poll. The media is doing all the work for them.

[Marx]

Ugh, that's pathetic.

Obama's campaign isn't touching it with a ten foot poll. The media is doing all the work for them.

In the McCain playbook, it doesn't matter. It is still all Obama's fault. :whatever:

[Hole Shot]

McCain camp: Questions on Palin's party a 'smear'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics





(Is anyone else surprised that they would lay blame on the Obama campaign? I'm not. :whatever:)

You know this campaign as every presidential campaign was being billed as the no more politics as usual b.s but from Obama's citizenship and Paris Hilton to Palin's daughter and McCain's homes, this year's candidates and their "unaffiliated" attack dogs in the media are looking for more stupid crap to throw at eachother than ever.

[Arc-Light]

Hmmmm that temper of his..........

GLWEDMLmjKk&eurl

[Superman4ever]

McCain cancels Larry King interview, because CNN asks questions his campaign doesn't like. :(

Infuriated About Tough CNN Interview, McCain Cancels Larry King Appearance»

Yesterday, Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds appeared on CNN for an interview with Campbell Brown. Brown was tough on Bounds, refusing to let him spout typical campaign talking points. She repeatedly pressed him on Palin’s foreign policy experience and qualifications, asking him to name one decision that she made as commander-in-chief of the Alaskan National Guard. Bounds was unable to do so.

Today, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer revealed that because of that tough interview, the McCain campaign has canceled the senator’s appearance on Larry King Live tonight:

The McCain campaign said it believed that exchange was over the line and as a result the interview scheduled for Larry King Live with Sen. McCain was pulled. CNN does not believe that Campbell’s interview was over the line. We are committed to fair coverage of both sides of this historic election.

CNN also replayed the interview between Brown and Bounds. Watch Blitzer’s announcement and the interview:

The McCain campaign has repeatedly tried to intimidate the press. It is now angry about media coverage of Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, calling NBC’s reporting on it “irresponsible journalism.” Campaign staffers “even considered pulling out of one of the three presidential debates because it would be moderated by Tom Brokaw, a former NBC News anchorman.” When Newsweek wrote a cover story in May examining the hardball tactics conservatives might use in the general election, the McCain campaign “threatened to throw the magazine’s reporters off the campaign bus and airplane.”


http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/02/mccain-cancel-cnn/

[AndrewGilkison]

This guy survived five years of torture as a P.O.V, but tough questioning from the Press about his V.P pick is something he can't handle? Grow the hell up, John. How can you convince me you can fight terrorists and "go on the offense" when Campbell Brown and Larry King put you on the defensive.

[ManofmyWord]

It's not tough press, it's just questions he can't answer without looking stupid. Tucker Bounds is proof.

That Larry King interview would have had call in voters, Heaven forbid he does anything that's not scripted or on his terms.

[imdaly]

Almost as bad as Obama refusing to do any interviews with Bill O'Reilly.

[Franklin Richards]

This wasn't Keith Olberman. This was Larry Old As Dirt King. It wasn't going to be some comedian like O'Reilly.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[AndrewGilkison]

Almost as bad as Obama refusing to do any interviews with Bill O'Reilly.

Link?

[Superman4ever]

Almost as bad as Obama refusing to do any interviews with Bill O'Reilly.

You're comparing "Falafel" O'Reilly to Larry King? :lmao:

[Superman]

Hmmmm that temper of his..........

GLWEDMLmjKk&eurlDamn!! McCain just got "Swift Boated".:wow::hehe:

[souvlaki]

This wasn't Keith Olberman. This was Larry Old As Dirt King. It wasn't going to be some comedian like O'Reilly.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Exactly. How does Larry King = Bill O'Reilly?

[ManofmyWord]

Bill O'Reilly has proven time and time again he's nothing more that a right wing biased jerk hiding under a "independent/traditionalist" blanket who's never happy with anything Democrats do.

Compared to Larry King. A respected non-biased journalist who's been around since the early fifties.

But...This isn't about them. It's about McCain pretty much saying CNN was too smart for his campaign manager and therefore much smarter than himself.

[Superman]

What get's me about the whole CNN thing is that it was such an obvious question. It was a question that John McCain's Campaign Manager should have known was coming and he should have had an answer ready beforehand.

But somehow CNN is the bad guy for asking it.:whatever:

[Zen]

Almost as bad as Obama refusing to do any interviews with Bill O'Reilly.

Hey homeskillet, check out the o'reilly factor on thursday... youll catch Obama.

Cheers.


Link?

you got it dood,

/michelle

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/3/02233/52710/832/583937

[Mikelus]

This guy survived five years of torture as a P.O.V, but tough questioning from the Press about his V.P pick is something he can't handle? Grow the hell up, John. How can you convince me you can fight terrorists and "go on the offense" when Campbell Brown and Larry King put you on the defensive.

McCain is intellectually kind of limited, he doesn't know much about the economy, he picks the wrong person for VP just because he was scared of a minority of fundamentalists and extremists (instead of picking the person he really wanted), he doesn't deserve to be President, he is showing poor judgement, so he's dangerous not only for the USA, but the rest of the world.

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, he really wanted Joe Lieberman, which by all rights, would've been a better choice.

[Mikelus]

^^ Yeah, he blew it, he lost many moderate voters by picking Palin.

[jaguarr]

This guy survived five years of torture as a P.O.V, but tough questioning from the Press about his V.P pick is something he can't handle? Grow the hell up, John. How can you convince me you can fight terrorists and "go on the offense" when Campbell Brown and Larry King put you on the defensive.

You know, that's a good point. He paints himself as the maverick, take no ***** from anyone tough-guy but he runs away from Larry King because Campbell Brown asked one of his campaign lackeys some straight questions that he couldn't answer? Okay. :huh:

jag

[Matt]

The irony of course is, Larry King is quite possibly the most soft ball interviewer in the mainstream media. Whats that old Jon Stewart quote about Larry King interviewing Hitler?

[jaguarr]

It's just laughable that he would run away from Larry King for the reasons stated. It makes McCain look like an ass and a chicken-*****, really, and just gets him negative press. And, guess what? No more complaining from the McCain campaign that Obama won't do face time with some of the neo-con journalists (though I think he's going to be on O'Reilly on Thursday, actually) if McCain is going to run away from Larry f***ing King. :dry:

jag

[Marx]

Almost as bad as Obama refusing to do any interviews with Bill O'Reilly.

Are you seriously trying to say that Larry King is the left-leaning political equivalent of Bill O' Reilly. You must not watch Larry King Live very much. :huh:

As for Obama not taking interviews from Bill O' Reilly, you might want to check thursday's lineup before you make such an allegation.

[Kelly]

I believe Obama is going to be on O'Reilly some time this week......or has stated as much.

[Malice]

I believe Obama is going to be on O'Reilly some time this week......or has stated as much.

Oh I doubt it...he is scared of O'Reilly and Hannity until he wins the election, then he will be on them all

[Überlibran]

Yeah...all that stuff about McCain completely vetting Palin? Turns out to be not so true: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Sarah+Palin?tid=informline) was not subjected to a lengthy in-person background interview with the head of Sen. John McCain (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/)'s vice presidential vetting team until last Wednesday in Arizona, the day before McCain asked her to be his running mate, and she did not disclose the fact that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant until that meeting, two knowledgeable McCain officials acknowledged Tuesday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/09/02/ST2008090203591.html?sid=ST2008090203591&s_pos=top

This man had six months to investigate his veep selection, from the end of the repub. primaries, and he leaves it to the last minute.

[DorkyFresh]

Oh I doubt it...he is scared of O'Reilly and Hannity until he wins the election, then he will be on them all

http://www.billoreilly.com/

it says on the front page "Senator Barack Obama on the O'Reilly Factor, Thursady Sept. 4th 8PM ET".

[ManofmyWord]

I'm watching CNN and It showed lived coverage of McCain landing in St. Paul and it showed Levi Johnson and Bristol standing with each other, McCain walked over and pretty much put their hands together and it looked like he made them hold hands. lol.

[DorkyFresh]

I'm watching CNN and It showed lived coverage of McCain landing in St. Paul and it showed Levi Johnson and Bristol standing with each other, McCain walked over and pretty much put their hands together and it looked like he made them hold hands. lol.

this shows how out-of-date McCain is. this example, along with many others, show that he doesn't really get that, in this day and age, cameras can record EVERYTHING. it's pretty clear that McCain doesn't understand the power and the potential of today's technology.

edit: nvm, i saw the live coverage and i didn't think it was anything. my comment about McCain and technology still stands though...

[Sexecutioner]

If McCain can't take on Larry King, how can he survive 3 debates with Obama?

[Kelly]

I'm watching CNN and It showed lived coverage of McCain landing in St. Paul and it showed Levi Johnson and Bristol standing with each other, McCain walked over and pretty much put their hands together and it looked like he made them hold hands. lol.

So?

[X Knight]

Oh I doubt it...he is scared of O'Reilly and Hannity until he wins the election, then he will be on them all

Obama's going to be on O'Reilly tonight.........curiously the same night that McCain's giving his acceptance speech.....hmmmmmm....

[X Knight]

I'm watching CNN and It showed lived coverage of McCain landing in St. Paul and it showed Levi Johnson and Bristol standing with each other, McCain walked over and pretty much put their hands together and it looked like he made them hold hands. lol.

Y'know....I just wonder what McCain said to Levi when he shook his hand.....:cwink:

In fact, I wonder what Levi is thinking about this whole thing....."D*** I should've kept my pants on!! :wow: "

[Marx]

Obama's going to be on O'Reilly tonight.........curiously the same night that McCain's giving his acceptance speech.....hmmmmmm....

What's your point? It is no different than when John McCain went on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno the very same night that Obama was giving his speech last week at the DNC.

[Kelly]

Obama's going to be on O'Reilly tonight.........curiously the same night that McCain's giving his acceptance speech.....hmmmmmm....


Well thats pretty much a "duh" move........that is the night that will take away alittle of McCain's media time......but not much. So it was a good move on the part of the Obama campaign......just enough take away without being called scene stealer....:cwink:

[Kelly]

What's your point? It is no different than when John McCain went on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno the very same night that Obama was giving his speech last week at the DNC.

Actually that is not what I see as the scene stealer at all.......the scene stealer was the VP pick being talked about ALL THURSDAY, and then early Friday being announced.....that took far more away than a Leno spot.

[X Knight]

What's your point? It is no different than when John McCain went on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno the very same night that Obama was giving his speech last week at the DNC.

No....I thought McCain went on Leno on Monday of that week....NOT on the same night of Obama's speech ( Thursday ).

in fact, I thought McCain released the "congratulations" ad on Thursday.

the only "newsworthy" thing the McCain camp did on Thursday was announce that he'd make his VP choice on Friday....

[jaguarr]

Y'know....I just wonder what McCain said to Levi when he shook his hand.....:cwink:


McCain probably said something creepy like "Was she any good?" or "Hope that teenage strange was worth all this, kid"

If he was a hipper guy, he'd have said "Wrap it before you tap it next time, Dawg!"

:funny:

jag

[X Knight]

McCain probably said something creepy like "Was she any good?" or "Hope that teenage strange was worth all this, kid"

If he was a hipper guy, he'd have said "Wrap it before you tap it next time, Dawg!"

:funny:

jag


:hehe:

[X Knight]

McCain probably said something creepy like "Was she any good?" or "Hope that teenage strange was worth all this, kid"

If he was a hipper guy, he'd have said "Wrap it before you tap it next time, Dawg!"

:funny:

jag


:woot:

[Superman4ever]

Still his "soulmate"?


McCain had criticized earmarks from Palin

Three times in recent years, the Arizona senator's lists of 'objectionable' pork spending have included earmarks requested by his new running mate.
By Tom Hamburger, Richard Simon and Janet Hook, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
September 3, 2008
WASILLA, ALASKA -- For much of his long career in Washington, John McCain has been throwing darts at the special spending system known as earmarking, through which powerful members of Congress can deliver federal cash for pet projects back home with little or no public scrutiny. He's even gone so far as to publish "pork lists" detailing these financial favors.

Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of "objectionable" spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time -- Sarah Palin.

Now, McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, has chosen Palin as his running mate, touting her as a reformer just like him.

McCain has made opposition to pork-barrel spending a central theme of his 2008 campaign. "Earmarking deprives federal agencies of scarce resources, at the whim of individual members of Congress," McCain has said.

But records show that Palin -- first as mayor of Wasilla and recently as governor of Alaska -- was far from shy about pursuing tens of millions in earmarks for her town, her region and her state.

This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. "The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship," she wrote in a newspaper column.

In 2001, McCain's list of spending that had been approved without the normal budget scrutiny included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla. The Arizona senator targeted $1 million in a 2002 spending bill for an emergency communications center in town -- one that local law enforcement has said is redundant and creates confusion.

McCain also criticized $450,000 set aside for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla that was requested during Palin's tenure as mayor and cleared Congress soon after she left office in 2002. The funding was provided to help direct locally grown produce to schools, prisons and other government institutions, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group.

Wasilla received $11.9 million in earmarks from 2000 to 2003. The results of this spending are very apparent today. (The town also benefited from $15 million in federal funds to promote regional rail transportation.)

The community transit center is a landmark: a one-story, tile-fronted building with a drive-through garage. Its fleet of 10 buses provides service throughout the region. Mat-Su Community Transit Agency officials say the building was made possible with a combination of federal money and matching gifts from a private foundation.

Taylor Griffin, a McCain campaign spokesman, said that when Palin became mayor in 1996, "she faced a system that was broken. Small towns like Wasilla in Alaska depended on earmarks to take care of basic needs. . . . That was something that Gov. Palin was alarmed about and was one of the formative experiences that led her toward the reform-oriented stance that she has taken as her career has progressed."

Palin, he said, was "disgusted" that small towns like hers were dependent on earmarks.

Public records paint a different picture:

Wasilla had received few if any earmarks before Palin became mayor. She actively sought federal funds -- a campaign that began to pay off only after she hired a lobbyist with close ties to Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who long controlled federal spending as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He made funneling money to Alaska his hallmark.

Steven Silver was a former chief of staff for Stevens. After he was hired, Wasilla obtained funding for several projects in 2002, including an additional $600,000 in transportation funding.

That year, a local water and sewer project received $1.5 million, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, which combs federal spending measures to identify projects inserted by congressional members.

When Palin spoke after McCain introduced her as his running mate at a rally in Ohio last week, she made fun of earmarking. She said she had rejected $223 million in federal funds for a bridge linking Ketchikan to an island with an airport and 50 residents, referring to it by its derogatory label: the "bridge to nowhere."

In the nationally televised speech, she stood by McCain and said, "I've championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress thanks, but no thanks, on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said, we'd build it ourselves."

However, as a candidate for governor in 2006, Palin had backed funding for the bridge. After her election, she killed the much-ridiculed project when it became clear the state had other priorities. She said she would use the federal funds to fill those needs.

This year she submitted to Congress a list of Alaska projects worth $197.8 million, including $2 million to research crab productivity in the Bering Sea and $7.4 million to improve runway lighting at eight Alaska airports. A spokesman said she cut the original list of 54 projects to 31.

"So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story

[jaguarr]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/us/politics/05donate.html

September 5, 2008
At McCain’s Convention, Big Money Still Talks
By MICHAEL LUO

ST. PAUL — Of all the whales at the Republican National Convention this week, Robert Wood Johnson IV, the billionaire heir to the Johnson & Johnson fortune and owner of the New York Jets, may be the biggest.

He wore a thick stack of credentials around his neck all week, providing access to many of the convention’s most exclusive sanctums. He shared a skybox at the Xcel Energy Center with Rick Davis, the manager of Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign. More significantly, he was the only top fund-raiser with his name emblazoned on his own hospitality suite, the “Woody Johnson Minneapolis-St. Paul 2008 Host Committee Private Lounge.”

Mr. Johnson’s exalted status here shows that for all of Mr. McCain’s efforts to purge the influence of money in politics, the big donors still wielded sizable influence over this convention, getting singular access to the campaign and shaping the endless chain of parties and events outside the convention hall.

The power brokers from the McCain campaign lavished Mr. Johnson and others like him with attention here — his itinerary was a parade of posh receptions for V.I.P. donors. Before the convention ramped up Tuesday evening, Mr. Johnson, 61, was among a cluster of McCain campaign officials and supporters hovering outside a suite guarded by an aide. As Carly Fiorina, the former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard and senior McCain adviser, chatted in one small circle, Mr. Johnson, 61, was at the center of another next to her, before he disappeared inside the suite with Mr. Davis.

Mr. Johnson has long been a player in Republican politics — he was a Bush Ranger in 2000 and 2004, raising more than $200,000 in each election. He has personally given more than $1 million to Republican candidates and committees over the years.

But this year, he emerged as perhaps the party’s most coveted donor. In May, after turning his office into a war room for more than a month and making sometimes 50 calls a day, he orchestrated a fund-raiser in New York City that brought in $7 million in a single evening for Mr. McCain, by far the largest amount collected up to that point by a campaign that had been struggling to raise money.

More recently, Mr. Johnson rode to the rescue of the Minneapolis-St. Paul convention host committee, helping it close a more than $10 million budget shortfall in a matter of weeks by writing a sizable check himself, getting his mother, who hails from Minneapolis, to do so as well, but also soliciting a slew of large contributions from his circle of wealthy friends.

“What we needed was somebody from the outside who through the Republican infrastructure had connections that we don’t necessarily have here in Minnesota,” said Jeff Larson, chief executive of the convention’s host committee.

Campaign finance watchdogs have long criticized how individuals and corporations, many with interests in Washington, can make unlimited donations to political conventions, in contrast to the caps on contributions to campaigns and parties, as a back-door way to curry favor with the parties and their candidates. But Mr. Johnson said he believes conventions are important and sees no reason to stanch the amount of private money flowing into them.

“I’m not a real believer in limits,” Mr. Johnson said.

Mr. Johnson rarely speaks at length with reporters. But in a series of conversations, he said that he is motivated by a belief in Senator John McCain and the democratic process.

“I only take on things I really believe in,” Mr. Johnson said.

But Mr. Johnson also clearly has his own agenda. Staffers on Capitol Hill credit him with playing a pivotal role in 2002 in pushing members of Congress, including House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, to allocate $750 million over five years for juvenile diabetes research. Mr. Johnson’s oldest daughter, Casey, has Type 1 diabetes and he has given millions to the search for a cure.

“We sat down and talked a couple times,” said Mr. Hastert, who added that the pair bonded over football. “He made a very good case that by investing U.S. dollars, we could actually save money.”

Mr. Johnson, who has another daughter with the autoimmune disease lupus and raised millions for that cause, also met with President Bush in the White House to push for embryonic stem-cell research, a meeting Mr. Johnson believes might have helped Bush to compromise in his policy and still allow federal financing for research on existing stem-cell lines.

As owner of the Jets and in search of a new stadium for his team over the last several years, Mr. Johnson’s political clout has certainly not hurt him, even if his quest to build a stadium in Manhattan ultimately fell short. He is candid about the need to make contributions to New York and New Jersey Democrats as well, given his business interests in the region.

The Jets and the Giants are building a new $800 million stadium together in New Jersey, but some critics have questioned the wisdom of the state taking on more than $100 million in debt as part of the deal.

Like other major donors, Mr. Johnson has traveled with Mr. McCain on the campaign trail. Mr. McCain also calls him on occasion to thank him. But Mr. Johnson downplays the access he has, saying he is no different from anyone else.

“You can call the senator too,” Mr. Johnson said.

At a cocktail reception on Tuesday put on by the Minnesota Vikings, Mr. Johnson hobnobbed with Mr. Hastert, who now works for a lobbying firm, and Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah.

On Wednesday night, inside the convention hall, Mr. Johnson’s suite drew such Republican luminaries as former Senator Fred D. Thompson of Tennessee; Charlie Black, a senior McCain adviser; and former Senator Alfonse M. D’Amato of New York.

Mr. Johnson’s easygoing manner makes him popular among his fellow bundlers. On a hunting trip in Texas for Bush Rangers, he once brought with him an elephant gun he had used to hunt game in Africa and challenged others to see if they could handle its powerful recoil. These days, many ask him about his new quarterback, Brett Favre. What makes Mr. Johnson so effective as a fund-raiser, according to those around him, is his willingness to engage in the hard slog of making hundreds of calls.

“To raise seven figures the way Woody has done for an event and to get other folks to do it, you have to have a lot of conversations,” said Larry Bathgate, a top McCain fund-raiser who has known Mr. Johnson for two decades.

When Mr. Johnson was putting together his New York event in the spring, he removed the paintings from his office wall and taped up more than a hundred pieces of paper with the names of people he was hoping to convince to raise $100,000 each, or failing that, $25,000, marking his progress after each call.

The list included a Who’s Who of wealth and power in New York, from Donald Trump, a close personal friend, to David H. Koch, the billionaire co-owner of Koch Industries, the oil and gas conglomerate.

When Mr. Johnson’s staff was considering whom to call, someone suggested Charles F. Dolan, the chairman of Cablevision, and Mr. Johnson’s bitter foe in the stadium fight. Mr. Johnson quickly agreed and eventually secured what he described as a generous commitment.

“Anything for John McCain,” Mr. Johnson said.

jag

[Gilpesh]

Has anyone seen that Vanity Fair is attacking Mrs. McCain now?

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/09/cindy-mccains-300000-outfit.html

Cindy McCain
Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
Shoes, designer unknown: $600
Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100



At least they did it smarter than Us Weekly... they talked about something they knew :hehe:

[Kurosawa]

Four-strand pearl necklace: more than I make in a year doing physical work.

And how, exactly, am I supposed to identify with these people?

[StorminNorman]

Four-strand pearl necklace: more than I make in a year doing physical work.

And how, exactly, am I supposed to identify with these people?

:whatever::whatever::whatever:
:whatever::whatever::whatever:

[Kurosawa]

Proving my point exactly.

[gap5ewl]

Has anyone seen that Vanity Fair is attacking Mrs. McCain now?

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/09/cindy-mccains-300000-outfit.html




At least they did it smarter than Us Weekly... they talked about something they knew :hehe:

Yes and Obama is the elitist who is out of touch with people. BTW, how many houses do the McCain's own again?
:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:

[Kelly]

Being an elitist, IMO, has nothing to do with the money you make, or the money your family has. It has to do with how you speak too, and about people.

I have parts of my family that have a hell of alot of money. They are no more out of touch with "who I am" than I am out of touch with "who they are".....

WTF, cares?????

[Superman4ever]

"Idiots for McCain"

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3499/idjuthc0.png

I faced palmed the hell out of myself when I saw this idiot. MSNBC showed him not 20 seconds after McSame called for adult literacy.

[jaguarr]

"Idiots for McCain"

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3499/idjuthc0.png

I faced palmed the hell out of myself when I saw this idiot. MSNBC showed him not 20 seconds after McSame called for adult literacy.

:lmao: Awesome. :D

jag

[Malice]

Money is Money.
its has no bearing on who you are.

I kid you not, we have a friend that won 120 million in the lotto.
She calls us all the time.
She now have a 1 million dollar house.
Jewelry to boot.

She is still the same person, with the one exception...she actually can but a few things she didnt have before. She still volunteers for the USO and for a pet shelter.
(she did that before)

Hell, I would have a 20,000 suit if I had the money...I dont THINK money would change me that much, but since I dont have it, I will never know.

Get off the money issue.
Cindy has done alot of good.

Offhand, she looks MUCH better with her hair down, then up.

[X Knight]

I was really impressed with Cindy McCain's bio video.

I never knew that she has done so much humanitarian work around the world. :up:

[lazur]

I was really impressed with Cindy McCain's bio video.

I never knew that she has done so much humanitarian work around the world. :up:

Yeah, but liberals would rather complain about what clothing she wore to the RNC, and gripe about her wealth. Funny how they completely ignore Obama's wealth, though. The McCains rescued two children and adopted them as their own, yet Obama can't or won't even rescue his own brother from unbelievable poverty ... and his supporters don't say a word. Could you imagine if McCain had a brother living in absolute poverty in another country, who openly expressed that he wants to be brothers, but who was left there to rot? Liberals would be UP IN ARMS.

I'm beginning to understand what McCain said when he stated that the dems 'just don't get it.'

[USMC]

Get off the money issue.
Cindy has done alot of good.

Offhand, she looks MUCH better with her hair down, then up.


Seriously?? She looks like a freakin' old bag. Plastic surgery has not been her friend.


:whatever:

[Superman4ever]

Yeah, but liberals would rather complain about what clothing she wore to the RNC, and gripe about her wealth. Funny how they completely ignore Obama's wealth, though...

And you conservatives would rather oafishly bash Obama's community work and service to his country as a form of "attack". It's just low-down, desperate hypocrisy. http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/what_a_community_organizer_doe.html


As for the Obama wealth issue, I offer thee:

Official Net Worth: McCain $36.4 Million, Obama $799,000

Posted August 21, 2008 | 10:50 PM (EST)

One of the clumsy arguments that the McCain camp tried to make today in hopes of slowing down the media freight train over not knowing how many homes he and his wife, Cindy, own was that Barack Obama (D) is also a rich guy who lives in a mansion himself, just like McCain. I believe the term they used was "a frickin' mansion."

Well, there's just one problem with that argument. These guys aren't even in the same class.

Earlier this year, the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation did an analysis of the net worth of each of the 535 members of Congress based on their personal financial disclosure.

Guess which one is worth about $36 million and which one is worth $799,000?

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9296/obamamccainwealthdf4d67vp7.jpg


http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bb/index.php?showtopic=21753

[USMC]

Yeah, but liberals would rather complain about what clothing she wore to the RNC, and gripe about her wealth. Funny how they completely ignore Obama's wealth, though. The McCains rescued two children and adopted them as their own, yet Obama can't or won't even rescue his own brother from unbelievable poverty ... and his supporters don't say a word. Could you imagine if McCain had a brother living in absolute poverty in another country, who openly expressed that he wants to be brothers, but who was left there to rot? Liberals would be UP IN ARMS.

I'm beginning to understand what McCain said when he stated that the dems 'just don't get it.'


cough*seanhannityrhetoric*cough:whatever:

[Tron5000]

Yes and Obama is the elitist who is out of touch with people. BTW, how many houses do the McCain's own again?
:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:

I'll wager that the houses they do own were bought legally. I'd be willing to bet that none of the purchases of their homes were subsidized by a slumlord felon paying $200,000 extra for the lot next door so that the McCains could save money on their home.

How many houses does BO own? 1. And how many of Obama's homes were illegally financed? 1.

[jaguarr]

Yeah, but liberals would rather complain about what clothing she wore to the RNC, and gripe about her wealth. Funny how they completely ignore Obama's wealth, though. The McCains rescued two children and adopted them as their own, yet Obama can't or won't even rescue his own brother from unbelievable poverty ... and his supporters don't say a word. Could you imagine if McCain had a brother living in absolute poverty in another country, who openly expressed that he wants to be brothers, but who was left there to rot? Liberals would be UP IN ARMS.

I'm beginning to understand what McCain said when he stated that the dems 'just don't get it.'

Obama's HALF-brother was born in and lives in another country where his father moved to after he left Obama and his mother when Obama was a small child and then proceeded to produce half-siblings for him that he has met all of once and really doesn't know. And you're ripping on Obama for not helping him? Give me a break. :whatever:

jag

[jaguarr]

I was really impressed with Cindy McCain's bio video.

I never knew that she has done so much humanitarian work around the world. :up:

I'm not being asked to vote for Cindy McCain. ;)

jag

[lazur]

cough*seanhannityrhetoric*cough:whatever:

I have noted that you did not dispute the truth in my 'rhetoric,' and I don't watch Hannity.

[lazur]

Obama's HALF-brother was born in and lives in another country where his father moved to after he left Obama and his mother when Obama was a small child and then proceeded to produce half-siblings for him that he has met all of once and really doesn't know. And you're ripping on Obama for not helping him? Give me a break. :whatever:

jag

Ah okay, since it's only his HALF-brother, I guess he can stay there and rot.

[Tron5000]

Obama's HALF-brother was born in and lives in another country where his father moved to after he left Obama and his mother when Obama was a small child and then proceeded to produce half-siblings for him that he has met all of once and really doesn't know. And you're ripping on Obama for not helping him? Give me a break. :whatever:

jag

Doesn't he want to help the "less fortunate"? I think his brother qualifies. Charity starts at home, you know. :cwink:

[jaguarr]

Ah okay, since it's only his HALF-brother, I guess he can stay there and rot.

Doesn't he want to help the "less fortunate"? I think his brother qualifies. Charity starts at home, you know. :cwink:

So, you're telling me that if your father had left you and your mother when you were a small child and moved to another country entirely and had some half-siblings that you wound up meeting just once in your life, you would feel obligated to help them financially if they wound up being poor in that other country? Gotcha. ;)

jag

[lazur]

I'll wager that the houses they do own were bought legally. I'd be willing to bet that the none of the purchases of their homes were subsidized by a slumlord felon paying $200,000 extra for the lot next door so that the McCains could save money on their home.

How many houses does BO own? 1. And how many of Obama's homes were illegally financed? 1.

:applaud

Not to mention that the seven houses the media and the left like to keep talking about are actually not owned by John McCain at all. They are owned by Cindy and her family, and most of them were Cindy's BEFORE she and John were married. The media likes to leave that little factoid out, though, since it crushes the entire argument. Let's not allow the truth to stand in the way of insulting and misrepresenting a true American hero, who also happens to be republican.

[Tron5000]

So, you're telling me that if your father had left you and your mother when you were a small child and moved to another country entirely and had some half-siblings that you wound up meeting just once in your life, you would feel obligated to help them financially if they wound up being poor in that other country? Gotcha. ;)

jag

He wants to take my money and give it to the "less fortunate," but he can't use some of his own to help his own brother? Why does he want my money for charity when he won't hook [his] brother up?

[lazur]

So, you're telling me that if your father had left you and your mother when you were a small child and moved to another country entirely and had some half-siblings that you wound up meeting just once in your life, you would feel obligated to help them financially if they wound up being poor in that other country? Gotcha. ;)

jag

That's exactly what I'm saying. They are blood, and for no other reason than it makes Obama look cold-hearted and uncaring, he should at least step forward and make the gesture.

[Franklin Richards]

Well at least McCain pays the medical bills for the wife he left.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[jaguarr]

He wants to take my money and give it to the "less fortunate," but he can't use some of his own to help his own brother? Why does he want my money for charity when he won't hook [his] brother up?

So you wouldn't help your own half-brother from another country who was a total stranger to you and you had met only once, either. I don't blame you. :)

jag

[jaguarr]

That's exactly what I'm saying. They are blood, and for no other reason than it makes Obama look cold-hearted and uncaring, he should at least step forward and make the gesture.

So you would help your half-brother in another country that was a total stranger and you had met all of once, then? No holding him accountable for personal responsibility for his own life at all? He may be poor from his own laziness and inaction for all you know, not because his environment or circumstances dictate it.

jag

[Franklin Richards]

The brother himself said that he was fine.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[jaguarr]

The brother himself said that he was fine.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

http://carywesberry.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/23/cnn_reports_obamas_brother_living_in_nairobi_slum, _and_doing_just_fine_thankyouverymuch.thtml

CNN Reports: Obama's Brother Living in Nairobi Slum, and Doing Just Fine Thankyouverymuch (http://carywesberry.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/23/cnn_reports_obamas_brother_living_in_nairobi_slum, _and_doing_just_fine_thankyouverymuch.thtml)

Posted by Cary Wesberry on Saturday, August 23, 2008 4:20:11 PM
Doing their job as part of the liberal media's Obama campaign propaganda department, CNN tracked down George Obama who lives in a hut in a Nairobi slum in Kenya. Even though Obama's brother lives in squalor and gets zero help from Barack, who himself is worth millions, the team of expert impartial crack-journalists at CNN are here to report that young George Obama is doing just fine living in a filthy disease-infested slum and fully supports Barack's campaign for President. Also, George states clearly he wants no help from Barack because eating dirt in order to live is just dandy.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/08/22/bts.obama.brother/art.obama.brother.cnn.jpg Obama's brother, happily standing in front of his hut

HURUMA, Kenya (CNN) -- (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/22/bts.obama.brother/index.html) We found Barack Obama's half-brother living in a Nairobi slum.

George Obama says he is sure his half-brother will win the U.S. presidency in November.

George Obama, whose birth certificate shows that he is Barack Obama's half-brother, lives in a small house in Huruma that he shares with his mother's extended family, far away from the presidential campaign circus.

In his memoir, "Dreams for my Father," the Democratic presidential candidate describes meeting George as a "painful affair." Barack Obama's trip to Kenya meant meeting family he had never known.

In the book, which is popular in Nairobi and can be found in almost any supermarket, Obama looks back at his personal story and his struggles to reconcile with a Kenyan father who left him and his mother when he was just a child.

Barack Obama Sr. died in a car accident when George was just 6 months old. And like his half-brother, George hardly knew his father. George was his father's last child and had not been aware of his famous half-brother.

"I think I wanted to learn about my father the same way he did," George Obama told me about why he read the book. "He came here searching for his roots, and I was also trying to find my roots."

Unlike his grandmother in Kogela, in Western Kenya, George Obama had received little attention from the media.

But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day."

The reports left him angry.

"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything.

"I think I kind of like it here. There are some challenges, but maybe it is just like where you come from, there are the same challenges," Obama said.

Obama, who is in his mid-20s, is learning to become a mechanic and is active in youth groups in Huruma. He said he tries to help the community as much as he can.

At least one of his neighbors feels that perhaps the candidate should help the brother.

"I would like Obama to visit his brother to see how he is living, to improve his way of life," said Emelda Negei, who runs a small dispensary near Obama's house.

But George Obama will have none of it. He draws inspiration from his famous half-brother. He acknowledges that he is biased but said he knows that his half-brother will be the next president.

"Because he wants to be [president]," he said. "I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."


jag

[Tron5000]

So you would help your half-brother in another country that was a total stranger and you had met all of once, then? No holding him accountable for personal responsibility for his own life at all? He may be poor from his own laziness and inaction for all you know, not because his environment or circumstances dictate it.

jag

Well, he wants to "help" (read: give my money to) millions of people he's never met, without "holding [them] accountable for personal responsibility for [their] own [lives] at all."

[lazur]

jag
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I've read the story, but it doesn't change that Obama should say *something* about it to quell those who believe he could be doing more for his own brother.

Perhaps George is doing okay, and perhaps he's happy where he is (though one of his neighbors seems to disagree), or perhaps he's too proud to ask for help. Whatever the case, Obama should let his detractors know that he made the offer, but the offer was rejected.

Perception IS reality and the less he does to address the negative perception, the more power it will gain and the more it will heighten people's concerns about his 'character.'

[Tron5000]

jag
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"I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."

Spoken like a true liberal. Not "what you work for," not "what you earn," but "what you want." Now I can't believe Obama won't help a brother out. Two peas in a pod.

[jaguarr]

LOL! Okay, guys. I sure feel sorry for YOUR Kenyan half-brothers. ;)

jag

[Tron5000]

LOL! Okay, guys. I sure feel sorry for YOUR Kenyan half-brothers. ;)

jag

If I had one, I'd help him out.

Actually, maybe I wouldn't. I forgot that Conservatives don't care about black people, so even though I'd want to help him out, perhaps my racist tendencies would forbid it.

[jaguarr]

If I had one, I'd help him out.

Haha! Okay, man. :)

jag

[X Knight]

something struck me last night......I was very impressed with Cindy McCain's bio video....and I was really struck by how much humanitarian work she has done.

Just wondering.....have the Obama's done any humanitarian work on the same scale ( or even a fraction ) as Mrs. McCain has?