The McCain Thread

[jaguarr]

Do you have a link that proves this story about tazering the kid?

I've heard that it's true but I've also heard that it's not. I'd like to get the facts either way.:huh:

The trooper admitted to it. His version of the story is that his 11 year old step son wanted to try it and begged him incessantly to do so. So he put him on the ground, surrounded by pillows and then set the tazer to give him 1 second of shock and used "safety clips" instead of the harpoon barbs. He said the kid was bragging about how he got tazered. Even if all of that is true, it's still a horribly poor use of judgment to tazer a kid like that.

jag

[hippie_hunter]

Do you have a link that proves this story about tazering the kid?

I've heard that it's true but I've also heard that it's not. I'd like to get the facts either way.:huh:

In 2006, state investigators found Wooten guilty of "a significant pattern of judgment failures," including using a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson and drinking beer while operating a state trooper vehicle. Wooten was suspended for 10 days as "a last chance to take corrective action."

Speaking Thursday to CNN's Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston, Wooten gave his account of the Taser incident but denied ever drinking while driving.


He said that he was a new Taser instructor, and his stepson was asking him about the equipment. "I didn't shoot him with live, you know, actual live cartridge," Wooten said.



Instead, he said, he hooked his stepson up to a training aid "with little clips. And, you know, the Taser was activated for less than a second, which would be less than what you would get if you touched an electric fence. ... It was as safe as I could possibly make it."


He said his stepson was on the living room floor surrounded by pillows, that he "was bragging about it," and that the family laughed about it.


Asked whether it was a dumb decision, Wooten told CNN, "absolutely."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/05/palin.trooper/

[jaguarr]

Don't get me wrong, it's blatantly obvious that he was fired because he was in an incredibly messy divorce with Palin's sister.

I still stand by my statement though, that the guy is rightfully gotten rid of though for the reasons I said above.

Well, Wooten's still a State Trooper as far as I know. Monegan is the one that paid the price for not kowtowing to the Governor's supposed demands. All evidence of Wooten being a jackass and a creep aside, that would absolutely constitute an abuse of power on Palin's part if sufficient evidence is found of it.

jag

[Matt]

Yep. That's why I don't think her ethics scandal is the "October Surprise" the Dem's are saying they have up their sleeves. I think they've got something else. No clue what that could be, but I think it's something we haven't heard about, yet.

jag

I personally think the "October suprise," is little more than the Democrats flapping their gums than anything else. If it were something major or scandalous it would've been leaked long ago. I'd say the most they have is Al Gore or Hillary Clinton "accepting" a position in Obama's administration, which I think would be both a bad idea and not very effective for the reasons I stated above.

[Gilpesh]

I'm willing to believe that the guy used it to show off the tazer to the kid and doesn't go off zapping everyone around him.

Especially because if he was... more people would be mad besides the ex-sister-in-law whose sister is stuck in a horrible custody battle with Wooten.

I still think that a tazer shouldn't be used on an 11 year old, regardless of the reasons. The guys a creep plain and simple and Palin got rid of the guy because he wouldn't get rid of an awful trooper.

Funny... Wooten agrees with you. So wait... a guy that has been punished for what he has done and regrets doing it and admits what he did was wrong, shouldn't be given a second chance?

Sure it may be an abuse of power, but really Monegan should have gotten rid of Wooten without Palin's insistence. People who drink on the job, used a tazer on an 11 year old kid, and threatens family members should not be police officers period.

Well... thank you for giving me a glimpse of the future and how people will deny this if it does actually come out.

"THE GUY DESERVED IT! LAJKSNHDOPAIJDIOQBVG!"

Abuse of power... is abuse of power... is abuse of power. So this one time it actually works out, what about next time when it may not?

[Superman]

The trooper admitted to it. His version of the story is that his 11 year old step son wanted to try it and begged him incessantly to do so. So he put him on the ground, surrounded by pillows and then set the tazer to give him 1 second of shock and used "safety clips" instead of the harpoon barbs. He said the kid was bragging about how he got tazered. Even if all of that is true, it's still a horribly poor use of judgment to tazer a kid like that.

jagWell that clears that up.:yay:


The guy seems like an ass but that doesn't give Palin the right to abuse her power as Gov. As they say "Two wrongs don't make it right."

We are about to get rid of one administration that abused it's power on a daily basis, We don't need another 4 years of it.:dry:

[hippie_hunter]

Funny... Wooten agrees with you. So wait... a guy that has been punished for what he has done and regrets doing it and admits what he did was wrong, shouldn't be given a second chance?
No, because this is a police officer. People who are in positions of power such as law enforcement and elected need to be held to a much higher standard than regular joes like you and me. He should get a second chance like everyone else deserves, but not in law enforcement.

[Superman]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/05/palin.trooper/Thank you Hippie. :up: :yay:

[jaguarr]

I personally think the "October suprise," is little more than the Democrats flapping their gums than anything else. If it were something major or scandalous it would've been leaked long ago. I'd say the most they have is Al Gore or Hillary Clinton "accepting" a position in Obama's administration, which I think would be both a bad idea and not very effective for the reasons I stated above.

I don't think so. Obama and his people don't seem prone to promoting something that would be a letdown or disappointment. What good would it do them to hype up this October Surprise for the next 2-3 weeks and then have it be "Oh, Al Gore is going to be our Secretary Of Energy" or something. No one is going to care about that. They wouldn't hype it like they've started to if it wasn't something people were going to care about.

jag

[Gilpesh]

No, because this is a police officer. People who are in positions of power such as law enforcement and elected need to be held to a much higher standard than regular joes like you and me. He should get a second chance like everyone else deserves, but not in law enforcement.

But yet... you let Palin abuse power and punish people who did nothing wrong and then just defend that abuse?


Hilarious.

[Matt]

I don't think so. Obama and his people don't seem prone to promoting something that would be a letdown or disappointment. What good would it do them to hype up this October Surprise for the next 2-3 weeks and then have it be "Oh, Al Gore is going to be our Secretary Of Energy" or something. No one is going to care about that. They wouldn't hype it like they've started to if it wasn't something people were going to care about.

jag

I just don't see what else it could be. Do you really think Obama's team has dug up something on McCain or Palin that the entire media has been unable to find? It has to be something internal and I just don't see what else it could be. Maybe a prominent Republican will endorse Obama? I dunno...its gotta be something that has to do with Obama or his administration than McCain.

[jaguarr]

I just don't see what else it could be. Do you really think Obama's team has dug up something on McCain or Palin that the entire media has been unable to find? It has to be something internal and I just don't see what else it could be. Maybe a prominent Republican will endorse Obama? I dunno...its gotta be something that has to do with Obama or his administration than McCain.

I don't know what it is, but they've got something significant up their sleeves. I can't see them making a big deal out of nothing.

jag

[Gilpesh]

They turned Karl Rove! :wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

[jaguarr]

They turned Karl Rove! :wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

LOL! I don't think anyone will ever trust Karl Rove for anything, ever again.

jag

[Gilpesh]

Or the Dems got a picture of Karl Rove.... 'feeding'...

[Excel]

Can somebody show me where the dems are touting some "October surprise"...I dont know whered theyd find something nobody else knew about.

[Superman]

I just don't see what else it could be. Do you really think Obama's team has dug up something on McCain or Palin that the entire media has been unable to find? It has to be something internal and I just don't see what else it could be. Maybe a prominent Republican will endorse Obama? I dunno...its gotta be something that has to do with Obama or his administration than McCain.You may have something there.

I don't think they are going to name someone to Obama's administration for the same reasons you gave above, But a prominent Republican endorsment could be it.

If they had something on McCain I think they would have put it out by now.

[Excel]

If they had something on McCain I think they would have put it out by now.

I dunno; they are probably trying to wait till McCain bounce is gone and Obama regains his slight lead, and use it to put him away; whatever it...

[Superman]

I dunno; they are probably trying to wait till McCain bounce is gone and Obama regains his slight lead, and use it to put him away; whatever it...Oh I would love it if they had something so bad that it would kill McCain's campaign, It would make my year if they did, I just don't think getting rid of McCain is going to be that easy.

We just ain't that lucky.:csad:

[Marx]

ROVE: SOME MCCAIN ADS DON'T PASS '100 PERCENT TRUTH' TEST
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/14/rove-some-mccain-ads-dont-pass-100-percent-truth-test/





(Because we all know that Karl Rove only deals in truth and fact. That said, McCain has to really be screwing up for Rove to suggest some ads are too far.)

[kainedamo]

Wasn't the kid that was tazered the troopers nephew or something? The way I heard it was, the kid ASKED to be tazed to see what it was like, and he tazed him on the lowest setting, and the kid laughed and bragged about it afterwards.

[Matt]

I dunno; they are probably trying to wait till McCain bounce is gone and Obama regains his slight lead, and use it to put him away; whatever it...

Oh I would love it if they had something so bad that it would kill McCain's campaign, It would make my year if they did, I just don't think getting rid of McCain is going to be that easy.

We just ain't that lucky.:csad:

Not to mention McCain has been in the game for 30 years. I really doubt the Obama camp has dug up in 4 months what the national media, and every other one of McCain's opponents could not could not in 30 years. If McCain has any skeletons, they are already out.

[Matt]

Wasn't the kid that was tazered the troopers nephew or something? The way I heard it was, the kid ASKED to be tazed to see what it was like, and he tazed him on the lowest setting, and the kid laughed and bragged about it afterwards.

That really doesn't make it better.

[comicgirl]

Cindy McCain: Tough interviewers 'picked our bones clean'http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/14/cindy-mccain-tough-interviewers-picked-our-bones-clean/http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/09/14/art.cindy.gi.jpg




Ahhhhhh........po' baby.......go buy yourself something to forget:grin:

ugh

[lazur]

The guy is definitely a creep. But it's the abuse of power thing that's really the issue here.

Seems fairly cut and dry to me. A state trooper engages in activity that is illegal and gets fired for it. That the guy was married to Palin's sister is irrelevant. She was doing her job as Governor by making sure a state trooper who conducts himself in such a way is no longer employed by the state. Seems like the guy who didn't fire the trooper was negligent in his responsibilities. As to whether this is the *only* thing he was negligent about, who knows, I'm sure the investigation will reveal more.

[Gilpesh]

Seems fairly cut and dry to me. A state trooper engages in activity that is illegal and gets fired for it. That the guy was married to Palin's sister is irrelevant. She was doing her job as Governor by making sure a state trooper who conducts himself in such a way is no longer employed by the state. Seems like the guy who didn't fire the trooper was negligent in his responsibilities. As to whether this is the *only* thing he was negligent about, who knows, I'm sure the investigation will reveal more.

Oh come off it.

The investigation on the trooper was closed for a month before this Palin pressure to fire came out. Nothing new happened... you know besides the messy divorce with Palin's sister and a bad custody battle.

And now you're suggesting the guy who got fired for not caving to her demands... is now a horrible guy also. That's very independent of you.

[lazur]

So, I have a question for the conservatives and McCain supporters on the board (yes, I am aware that those two things are not mutually exclusive). The McCain Campaign, based on the tone, rhetoric and campaign ads they have chosen, is being called the dirtiest, sleaziest, most false presidential campaign in modern history. They have been called out multiple times by many, many MSM outlets for outright lying and continue to perpetuate those lies even after they have been formally disproven in the mainstream media. So, here is my question for you, keeping all of this in mind:

Is the lying and the negativity from the McCain Campaign justified in your mind? Please elaborate on why you feel one way or the other about it. For that matter, HOW does a campaign of this nature and tone make you feel as a conservative, Republican or McCain supporter?

NOTE: If you are not a conservative, Republican or McCain supporter, please don't answer the question. Thank you. :)

jag

I'm with Rove in believing that BOTH SIDES have taken it too far. Obama tells people that the Republicans will say 'by the way, did you know he's black?' when no such thing has ever been said...

McCain and Palin have been taking a pounding from the leftist media and by the Obama campaign. Does it bother me that McCain's ads cross the line? Not enough to change my perspective on who would better lead this country.

That said, it would be nice if both sides would actually start talking issues...

[lazur]

Oh come off it.

The investigation on the trooper was closed for a month before this Palin pressure to fire came out. Nothing new happened... you know besides the messy divorce with Palin's sister and a bad custody battle.

And now you're suggesting the guy who got fired for not caving to her demands... is now a horrible guy also. That's very independent of you.

The difference between you and me is that I operate and formulate opinions based on what is known. You formulate opinions based on what you suspect.

Until the investigation reveals what really did happen, no one knows. But until that time, I will give Palin the benefit of the doubt based on my belief that people are indeed 'innocent until proven guilty.'

[Gilpesh]

The difference between you and me is that I operate and formulate opinions based on what is known. You formulate opinions based on what you suspect.

Until the investigation reveals what really did happen, no one knows. But until that time, I will give Palin the benefit of the doubt based on my belief that people are indeed 'innocent until proven guilty.'

Funny... cause you just suggested that the guy who was fired deserved it.

As to whether this is the *only* thing he was negligent about, who knows, I'm sure the investigation will reveal more.

:whatever:

[lazur]

Funny... cause you just suggested that the guy who was fired deserved it.



:whatever:

No, what I suggested was that based on what we know RIGHT NOW, it appears that way. Palin has stated herself that he wasn't fired for not firing the trooper, but for other ethical type problems.

We won't know anything until the investigation is complete. Why can't you just sit tight and wait?

[ShadowBoxing]

I just don't see what else it could be. Do you really think Obama's team has dug up something on McCain or Palin that the entire media has been unable to find? It has to be something internal and I just don't see what else it could be. Maybe a prominent Republican will endorse Obama? I dunno...its gotta be something that has to do with Obama or his administration than McCain.
I know McCain's been a politician for over thirty years, but don't necessarily assume that means everything is out on the table. McCain's medical records, for example, are still secret.

[Matt]

I know McCain's been a politician for over thirty years, but don't necessarily assume that means everything is out on the table. McCain's medical records, for example, are still secret.

But that is by his choice. It would look incredibly bad if the Obama campaign came out with McCain's confidential medical records.

Furthermore, where is all of this talk of an October suprise coming from? I've heard rumors, but its not exactly as if the campaign has officially been waving it as their battle flag as Jag seems to imply.

[lazur]

But that is by his choice. It would look incredibly bad if the Obama campaign came out with McCain's confidential medical records.

Furthermore, where is all of this talk of an October suprise coming from? I've heard rumors, but its not exactly as if the campaign has officially been waving it as their battle flag as Jag seems to imply.

I think what's more likely is for the Republicans to have an October surprise for the Democrats. We'll see...

[ShadowBoxing]

But that is by his choice. It would look incredibly bad if the Obama campaign came out with McCain's confidential medical records.

Furthermore, where is all of this talk of an October suprise coming from? I've heard rumors, but its not exactly as if the campaign has officially been waving it as their battle flag as Jag seems to imply.
I can't find a whole lot of articles, but on Saturday and Sunday they were definitely talking about it on the talk show circuit. As for the medical records, just an example of course, but it wouldn't look "incredibly bad" if McCain was withholding something major, like something debilitating that affected him recently, from the public. Just like it wouldn't look bad on the Republicans if they dug up dirt on Obama and showed it around the country. You just set up a double standard there.

[ShadowBoxing]

I think what's more likely is for the Republicans to have an October surprise for the Democrats. We'll see...October Surprises is a reference to coming from behind with some surprise campaign strategy, usually it refers to an incumbent f***ing up or doing something that massively affects his numbers.

[jaguarr]

I dunno; they are probably trying to wait till McCain bounce is gone and Obama regains his slight lead, and use it to put him away; whatever it...

Whatever it is they have in store, I think the idea might be that waiting until October to release it will cause the McCain Campaign so much damage that they'll spend the entire, crucial month of October trying to do damage control and recover from it if it doesn't derail them completely. It would kill McCain's October and make it impossible to really campaign effectively. Either that or there's something the Dem's are waiting on to occur (at which point I'd start to lean back towards the Troopergate thing).

Cindy McCain: Tough interviewers 'picked our bones clean'http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/14/cindy-mccain-tough-interviewers-picked-our-bones-clean/http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/09/14/art.cindy.gi.jpg




Ahhhhhh........po' baby.......go buy yourself something to forget:grin:

ugh

She's seriously complaining about the hosts of The View? They didn't let John slide but Cindy got handled with kid gloves. Lame.

I'm with Rove in believing that BOTH SIDES have taken it too far. Obama tells people that the Republicans will say 'by the way, did you know he's black?' when no such thing has ever been said...

McCain and Palin have been taking a pounding from the leftist media and by the Obama campaign. Does it bother me that McCain's ads cross the line? Not enough to change my perspective on who would better lead this country.

That said, it would be nice if both sides would actually start talking issues...

Fair enough. Thanks for the answer. I don't know that McCain and Palin have gotten any more of a beating in the press than Obama did (and he definitely did), but that's an aside. So, let me ask you this, then. Given that the McCain ads and the things they are saying in their campaign do cross the line and have been proven to be flat out untruths in many instances, does it concern you as a conservative that a candidate from that ideology is so willing to just completely step away from the truth completely out of a desire to win the White House at any cost? If McCain and Palin can lie with such ease and comfortableness about these things, does it raise concerns that they will have no problem doing the same thing if they were in office?

I do agree with you that I want to see more talking about the issues and less of this high school level mudslinging, though.

jag

[Matt]

I can't find a whole lot of articles, but on Saturday and Sunday they were definitely talking about it on the talk show circuit. As for the medical records, just an example of course, but it wouldn't look "incredibly bad" if McCain was withholding something major, like something debilitating that affected him recently, from the public. Just like it wouldn't look bad on the Republicans if they dug up dirt on Obama and showed it around the country. You just set up a double standard there.


I was just thinking it would look incredibly bad because medical records are confidential and the Obama camp having them would imply illegal means of obtaining them (a doctor breaking privledge). Digging up dirt is one thing...breaking medical confidentiality is another.

[Matt]

Whatever it is they have in store, I think the idea might be that waiting until October to release it will cause the McCain Campaign so much damage that they'll spend the entire, crucial month of October trying to do damage control and recover from it if it doesn't derail them completely. It would kill McCain's October and make it impossible to really campaign effectively. Either that or there's something the Dem's are waiting on to occur (at which point I'd start to lean back towards the Troopergate thing).
jag

Troopergate makes the most sense. Obama's new strategy is to back off Palin, which makes sense...because then when she is convicted, she buries herself.

[ShadowBoxing]

I was just thinking it would look incredibly bad because medical records are confidential and the Obama camp having them would imply illegal means of obtaining them (a doctor breaking privledge). Digging up dirt is one thing...breaking medical confidentiality is another.
Depends. If a doctor writes them and sends them records, then it's on his head, not Obama's. Furthermore, McCain allowed a team of doctors from the various media outlets three hours access to his medical records, which were thousands upon thousands of pages, so it's quite possible someone in there saw something and is just coming forward now.

[Matt]

Depends. If a doctor writes them and sends them records, then it's on his head, not Obama's.

It still seems sleezey to use something that is done illegally in a campaign move. Plus, wouldn't that make Obama an accessory?


Furthermore, McCain allowed a team of doctors from the various media outlets three hours access to his medical records, which were thousands upon thousands of pages, so it's quite possible someone in there saw something and is just coming forward now.

If that were the case, it would've been out. Key word is media outlets. These men were reporters. If they had a story, they would've run with it.

[lazur]

Fair enough. Thanks for the answer. I don't know that McCain and Palin have gotten any more of a beating in the press than Obama did (and he definitely did), but that's an aside. So, let me ask you this, then. Given that the McCain ads and the things they are saying in their campaign do cross the line and have been proven to be flat out untruths in many instances, does it concern you as a conservative that a candidate from that ideology is so willing to just completely step away from the truth completely out of a desire to win the White House at any cost? If McCain and Palin can lie with such ease and comfortableness about these things, does it raise concerns that they will have no problem doing the same thing if they were in office?

I do agree with you that I want to see more talking about the issues and less of this high school level mudslinging, though.

jag

Jag, it's no more dishonest than an Obama approved ad making fun of McCain because he can't type on a keyboard due to the injuries he sustained as a pow.

Both sides cross the line. What I find somewhat disheartening is how Obama supporters see this as only a one-directional thing...

[jaguarr]

Troopergate makes the most sense. Obama's new strategy is to back off Palin, which makes sense...because then when she is convicted, she buries herself.

Maybe. Giuliani is running around saying that Troopergate is the Dem's October Surprise, but he's a jackass who's been wrong about practically everything ever since he left office, so I'm not inclined to listen to him. Either that or they've found something new and heavily damaging to McCain or Palin. Or, they've got some sort of announcement about their own campaign that is going to make jaws drop. Who knows what it is. There's a very interesting interview with Kucinich out there, though:

http://www.democrats.com/kucinich-pursues-impeachment-to-prevent-october-surprise-attack-on-iran

jag

[DorkyFresh]

Jag, it's no more dishonest than an Obama approved ad making fun of McCain because he can't type on a keyboard due to the injuries he sustained as a pow.
WTF???? what kinda lame ass excuse is that? he can still use his friggin hands to write, wave and shake other people's hands and it's not as if typing requires you to lift your hands above your head. him not knowing how to use a computer is a generational limitation, not a physical one.

that is one of the lamest excuses for McCain not knowing how to use a computer....seriously. it seems that ANY flaw that McCain has is because of his experience as a POW. :whatever:

[Matt]

Maybe. Giuliani is running around saying that Troopergate is the Dem's October Surprise, but he's a jackass who's been wrong about practically everything ever since he left office, so I'm not inclined to listen to him. Either that or they've found something new and heavily damaging to McCain or Palin. Or, they've got some sort of announcement about their own campaign that is going to make jaws drop. Who knows what it is. There's a very interesting interview with Kucinich out there, though:

http://www.democrats.com/kucinich-pursues-impeachment-to-prevent-october-surprise-attack-on-iran


I love Dennis Kucinich, but he's kind of nuts, so I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

I just can't see what Obama has that could be so damaging to McCain and also able to be kept under wraps for a month. My money is on something internal. An official offer to either Clinton or Gore would be my bet.

[ShadowBoxing]

Apparently, according to McCain supporters, McCain is immune to all October surprises.

[ShadowBoxing]

I love Dennis Kucinich, but he's kind of nuts, so I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

Let's be serious here, he's nuttier than one of the munchkins from the Wizard of Oz.

[jaguarr]

Jag, it's no more dishonest than an Obama approved ad making fun of McCain because he can't type on a keyboard due to the injuries he sustained as a pow.

Does such an ad exist? Particularly in an official capacity from the Obama campaign? I haven't seen one like that.


Both sides cross the line. What I find somewhat disheartening is how Obama supporters see this as only a one-directional thing...

It's not one-directional. But when the McCain Campaign is getting called out by factcheck.org for misstating and misquoting things, that's pretty bad. Throw in the continual use of outright lies in stump speeches that have been disproven in the MSM (Palin's "I was always against the Bridge To Nowhere" comes to mind, immediately) and it just gets to be a bit much. I'm sorry to say it but McCain's Campaign has become the one that truly does not want to talk about the issues. His thinly fleshed out platform lacks any real depth or meat and I still have no idea where he stands on half the issues. He's too busy talking about "personality" and attacking Obama. Obama's fired back in retaliation, but what's he supposed to do? If he doesn't, he'll be branded as a wimp. It's a sad commentary on American politics. All I know is, McCain and Palin have proven to me that they are not only willing to lie ad nauseum in order to win this thing, they do it so well and with a smile on their face that I find it alarming. I can't ever, ever, ever trust them because of their actions in this campaign. Obama and Biden have their own credibility issues, but not at the levels McCain and Palin do. Not even in the same league.

jag

[DorkyFresh]

Apparently, according to McCain supporters, McCain is immune to all October surprises.
didn't you hear?




he's a former POW!

[jaguarr]

Let's be serious here, he's nuttier than one of the munchkins from the Wizard of Oz.

True. But his wife is hot.

(Yeah, I don't get it either).

jag

[jaguarr]

didn't you hear?




he's a former POW!

Maybe the October Surprise is a huge contingency of Vietnamese-American protesters who will follow McCain around until election day and make his life a miserable haze of horrible flashbacks? :hehe:

jag

[lazur]

WTF???? what kinda lame ass excuse is that? he can still use his friggin hands to write, wave and shake other people's hands and it's not as if typing requires you to lift your hands above your head. him not knowing how to use a computer is a generational limitation, not a physical one.

that is one of the lamest excuses for McCain not knowing how to use a computer....seriously. it seems that ANY flaw that McCain has is because of his experience as a POW. :whatever:

Whatever you say, man. The McCain campaign has stated that McCain cannot type effectively due to injuries. But I guess you are the expert on McCain's medical condition, so they must be wrong. :rolleyes:

[ManofmyWord]

Double Post.

[ManofmyWord]

This must be the ad you're talking about. Which says nothing about typing, or P.O.W.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bQ2I0t_Twk0&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bQ2I0t_Twk0&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[Mr Sparkle]

manofmyword is able to decipher image in simple text code.
I alas am not.

[Mr Sparkle]

oh I see it now.
how exactly was that ad saying that he was out of touch because he was a POW?
it says he is out of touch and that he hasn't changed in 26 years.........

:dry:

how's that over the line?

[jaguarr]

This must be the ad you're talking about. Which says nothing about typing, or P.O.W.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bQ2I0t_Twk0&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bQ2I0t_Twk0&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Yeah, I don't see anything about typing or POW's in that ad. It's just pointing out that McCain's clueless when it comes to technology and the economy....like someone else we know. :o

jag

[DorkyFresh]

Whatever you say, man. The McCain campaign has stated that McCain cannot type effectively due to injuries.
yes, let's just believe everything the McCain campaign puts out. if McCain can write and shake people's hands then there should be no physical problems with him typing or even using a mouse (less complicated). it's known that he's not a tech savvy guy at all and that's because he's part of an old school generation. it's not as if his injuries would prevent him from being able to use a cell phone....which he also doesn't know how to operate.

But I guess you are the expert on McCain's medical condition, so they must be wrong. :rolleyes:
well maybe if they would release his medical records we'd have a more educated view on why he can't use a computer!!! i'm not an expert in the medical field by any means, but i know some BS when i see it. if a guy can grab and move a bunch of salsa at the check-out counter of a store then he would certainly have the physical capabilities to type.

[lazur]

oh I see it now.
how exactly was that ad saying that he was out of touch because he was a POW?
it says he is out of touch and that he hasn't changed in 26 years.........

:dry:

how's that over the line?

Doesn't use the internet and doesn't use email BECAUSE of his injuries which do not allow him to type. Seems pretty simple to me.

As for the economic jab, go read his website if you want to know his position.

[lazur]

well maybe if they would release his medical records we'd have a more educated view on why he can't use a computer!!! i'm not an expert in the medical field by any means, but i know some BS when i see it. if a guy can grab and move a bunch of salsa at the check-out counter of a store then he would certainly have the physical capabilities to type.

Typing requires complete motor control over your hands. Grabbing a jar of salsa does not.

[The Senator]

Doesn't use the internet and doesn't use email BECAUSE of his injuries which do not allow him to type. Seems pretty simple to me.

If he can't type, then why should he be president of the United States? We live in an age where the computer is just as common as the television or radio. Plus, you don't need to type to use the internet, there are ways to use a computer and have internet access without using your hands. I've seen people with disabilities use such devices. Understanding the technological achievements of our modern day economy is essential for the job. Otherwise, how can McCain be expected to make any rational decision about modern-day technology if he becomes President? :huh:


As for the economic jab, go read his website if you want to know his position.

You still haven't met my friend Kettle yet, have you? Considering you have slammed any Obama supporters who have sent you to his website...

[DorkyFresh]

Typing requires complete motor control over your hands. Grabbing a jar of salsa does not.
typing requires small motions of your fingers and thumbs...something that McCain can obviously do. your argument that his injuries as a POW prevents him from typing is an empty one. you'd be better off saying that he can't use his hands because he's just too damn old, but even then we've seen that he can use his hands capable enough to type.

[ShadowBoxing]

Typing requires complete motor control over your hands. Grabbing a jar of salsa does not.
That is by definition "motor skills". Let me explain what motor skills is because you don't seem to understand. All the muscles in your body have motor units, small contractile units which can range from delicate touching to forceful contractions like you would use in weight lifting or power movements. Not having 'motor control' in his hands would mean that McCain couldn't grip an egg without crushing it, or hold an object without dropping it. If McCain didn't have any motor control, enough to type on a keyboard, he wouldn't be able to hold a pen either.

[Gilpesh]

If McCain didn't have any motor control, enough to type on a keyboard, he wouldn't be able to hold a pen either.

Or creepily shake hands with the baby's daddy of Palin's kid.

[ManofmyWord]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/yes-mccain-can-use-electr_n_126130.html

I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don't expect to be a great communicator, I don't expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need.

I'd agree with you if Obama was attacking his war injuries, but...gasp....He's not. Mccain is like my Grandpa, He's old school and just doesn't prefer computers. Mccain is saying he's learning, at least not hiding behind POW like he usually does.

[lazur]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/yes-mccain-can-use-electr_n_126130.html



I'd agree with you if Obama was attacking his war injuries, but...gasp....He's not. Mccain is like my Grandpa, He's old school and just doesn't prefer computers. Mccain is saying he's learning, at least not hiding behind POW like he usually does.


Yeah, except learning when you have injuries to work around is a little more involved than just picking up a computer and sending an email...

[DorkyFresh]

lazur, if you said that he can't type because of arthritis or whatever then i probably wouldn't have said anything but this just shows that people will use his POW experience to let him off the hook for ANYTHING. he was seeing other people while he was still with his first wife....POW! he used racial slurs...POW! he has publicly made sexist comments...POW!!! he seems to be following the same doctrine that Bush subscribes to...POW!!!



it seems like McCain and his supporters like to take honorable ideals (being a POW, having a woman candidate) and basically reduce them into marketing slogans.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wait...hold the presses.

When did he use racial slurs?? :confused:

[Matt]

He used "Gooks" to describe the North Vietnamese once.

[DorkyFresh]

Yeah, except learning when you have injuries to work around is a little more involved than just picking up a computer and sending an email...

thing is.....now-a-days they have voice recognition software that can do most basic computer functions such a documentation. surely they could install the program FOR him. again...his injuries as a POW should not be used as an excuse for him being out of touch with today's technology. even if he were physically incapable of typing, there are ways to work around it.

say that he's too old. say that he's old school. say that his mental capabilities won't allow him to, but please stop with this POW nonsense.

He used "Gooks" to describe the North Vietnamese once.
right...my bad. i should've made it a singular instead of plural. however, judging by the comment that he made, i would be willing to bet that he's used it more than once. that's just the only time it was documented.

[jaguarr]

Yeah, except learning when you have injuries to work around is a little more involved than just picking up a computer and sending an email...

Yeah, I call B.S. I work with a guy who is a quadriplegic. He has very minimal use of his arms and hands. He types with the knuckles on his left pinky and ring finger and uses Dragon Naturally Speaking and is among the most prolific email composers on my team. If he can learn to use a computer, John McCain sure as hell can.

jag

[kainedamo]

The thing is, there is nothing wrong with not knowing jack about computers. My parents don't use them and they're in their 50s, much younger than McCain. McCain's got people that can use computers for him, and it seems he's trying to become computer literate and knows what terms like "blog" means. I don't think it is an important thing for a President to have a grasp of.

[Carcharodon]

Agreed with Kaine.

[jaguarr]

The thing is, there is nothing wrong with not knowing jack about computers. My parents don't use them and they're in their 50s, much younger than McCain. McCain's got people that can use computers for him, and it seems he's trying to become computer literate and knows what terms like "blog" means. I don't think it is an important thing for a President to have a grasp of.

Agreed with Kaine.

I'm sorry, but we live in the information technology age. Nearly everything is driven by technology and especially computers. I would say that being tech-savvy and aware is a requirement for leadership in this country anymore. If McCain was even half-way clued in about technology and how it affects this country, I wouldn't sweat his not using a computer (hell, we have a high-level executive in my company that refuses to use his computer, but he's extremely tech-savvy on the overall level). But he's not clued in about technology in the slightest (unless you count swiping segments of Wikipedia articles for your speeches). How can a President who doesn't understand technology carry us forward and make informed decisions in this age of technology? I know what McCain's answer was; he wanted to make Steve Ballmer his technology czar. That's like making the worst serial murderer on death row the warden of the prison.

jag

[Superman4ever]

Romney on McCain's smear campaign, specifically to make Obama a sex predator!

UY5Plqs5d98

[jaguarr]

Romney on McCain's smear campaign, specifically to make Obama a sex predator!

UY5Plqs5d98

I don't really care for Mitt Romney a whole lot, but he gets my respect for that one. :up:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Romney on McCain's smear campaign, specifically to make Obama a sex predator!

UY5Plqs5d98
Something is not right in Camelot.

[Carcharodon]

I'm sorry, but we live in the information technology age. Nearly everything is driven by technology and especially computers. I would say that being tech-savvy and aware is a requirement for leadership in this country anymore. If McCain was even half-way clued in about technology and how it affects this country, I wouldn't sweat his not using a computer (hell, we have a high-level executive in my company that refuses to use his computer, but he's extremely tech-savvy on the overall level). But he's not clued in about technology in the slightest (unless you count swiping segments of Wikipedia articles for your speeches). How can a President who doesn't understand technology carry us forward and make informed decisions in this age of technology? I know what McCain's answer was; he wanted to make Steve Ballmer his technology czar. That's like making the worst serial murderer on death row the warden of the prison.

jag I disagree, and I think your analogy is way off-base. I don't think that a President has to be technologically savvy when he or she can surround themselves with people who are. I think there are many, many, MANY more important issues to look at when selecting a President than this.

Sorry.

[Matt]

Romney is not an overly bad guy. He calls it like it is. I personally wish he would've won the Republican nomination. But make no mistake about it...Romney has just entered the 2012 Republican primary.

[kainedamo]

I'm sorry, but we live in the information technology age. Nearly everything is driven by technology and especially computers. I would say that being tech-savvy and aware is a requirement for leadership in this country anymore. If McCain was even half-way clued in about technology and how it affects this country, I wouldn't sweat his not using a computer (hell, we have a high-level executive in my company that refuses to use his computer, but he's extremely tech-savvy on the overall level). But he's not clued in about technology in the slightest (unless you count swiping segments of Wikipedia articles for your speeches). How can a President who doesn't understand technology carry us forward and make informed decisions in this age of technology? I know what McCain's answer was; he wanted to make Steve Ballmer his technology czar. That's like making the worst serial murderer on death row the warden of the prison.

jag

Well... can you think of an example of a decision a President would make that requires him to be computer literate and tech savy?

[jaguarr]

I disagree, and I think your analogy is way off-base. I don't think that a President has to be technologically savvy when he or she can surround themselves with people who are. I think there are many, many, MANY more important issues to look at when selecting a President than this.

Sorry.

Steve Ballmer as a Technology Czar? You're okay with that? Seriously? Surrounding yourself with experts is fine and dandy if you've got good judgment to pick the right people for the job. But Steve Ballmer? Are you kidding me? My analogy of Steve Ballmer is completely on point, given Microsoft's history and his role in it. John McCain doesn't even understand the technology arena well enough to know how to pick the right advisors. That's a problem.

jag

[Carcharodon]

Steve Ballmer as a Technology Czar? You're okay with that? Seriously? Surrounding yourself with experts is fine and dandy if you've got good judgment to pick the right people for the job. But Steve Ballmer? Are you kidding me? My analogy of Steve Ballmer is completely on point, given Microsoft's history and his role in it. John McCain doesn't even understand the technology arena well enough to know how to pick the right advisors. That's a problem.

jag I'm unfamiliar with Ballmer. Google time!

[jaguarr]

Well... can you think of an example of a decision a President would make that requires him to be computer literate and tech savy?

Absolutely. Bush has given us a prime example of that by helping U.S. based technology companies offshore core competency jobs that cause the U.S. to lose their basic intellectual property and all the knowledge around it. When those jobs leave our shores, that knowledge is gone and is EXTREMELY difficult to get back. That intellectual property is gone with those jobs and will never be recovered. Any tech-savvy leader would have immediately had questions about the wisdom of offshoring higher to mid-level programming, system architecture and design jobs to other countries because of these factors.

jag

[hitmanyr2k]

Whatever you say, man. The McCain campaign has stated that McCain cannot type effectively due to injuries. But I guess you are the expert on McCain's medical condition, so they must be wrong. :rolleyes:

I think that's a lame excuse. McCain in his own words says he's just starting to get online and why is it McCain's condition doesn't limit him from using a blackberry?

Q: But do you go on line for yourself?

Mr. McCain: They go on for me. I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don’t expect to be a great communicator, I don’t expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need – including going to my daughter’s blog first, before anything else.

Q: Do you use a blackberry or email?

Mr. McCain: No

Mark Salter: He uses a BlackBerry, just ours.

Mr. McCain: I use the Blackberry, but I don’t e-mail, I’ve never felt the particular need to e-mail. I read e-mails all the time, but the communications that I have with my friends and staff are oral and done with my cell phone. I have the luxury of being in contact with them literally all the time. We now have a phone on the plane that is usable on the plane, so I just never really felt a need to do it. But I do – could I just say, really – I understand the impact of blogs on American politics today and political campaigns. I understand that. And I understand that something appears on one blog, can ricochet all around and get into the evening news, the front page of The New York Times. So, I do pay attention to the blogs. And I am not in any way unappreciative of the impact that they have on entire campaigns and world opinion.

NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13text-mccain.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

[ShadowBoxing]

Romney is not an overly bad guy. He calls it like it is. I personally wish he would've won the Republican nomination. But make no mistake about it...Romney has just entered the 2012 Republican primary.
Maybe not, I never liked him in Massachusetts, but that's neither here nor there. I just find it odd that McCain's support, including Romney, Huckabee and Karl Rover (WTF:huh:) have come out against the tenor of his campaign. It's very odd.

[jaguarr]

I'm unfamiliar with Ballmer. Google time!

Steve Ballmer is the CEO of Microsoft. He's been running the company for many moons now, and has complete control since Gates retired. He has been blamed for a lot of the uncompetitive practices Microsoft has been accused and investigated of in the past, as well as the product line debacles that MS has stumbled over in recent years including Windows Vista and the often bashed Zune. Not only does Ballmer not understand the technology space based on the poor product and business decisions he's made, he makes calculated moves to try and crush competition or force them out of their own markets. He is the living embodiment of abuse of corporate power. He is the LAST person who should be advising the President on technology. But that's who McCain has stated he would want:

http://www.thedailybackground.com/2007/05/30/mccain-comes-out-against-net-neutrality-says-would-hire-microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer/

McCain comes out against Net Neutrality; Says would hire Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (http://www.thedailybackground.com/2007/05/30/mccain-comes-out-against-net-neutrality-says-would-hire-microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer/)

Filed at 6:05 pm, Wednesday May 30th 2007
by Arlen Parsa

Republican presidential hopeful John McCain yesterday attended a technology conference and came out against Net Neutrality. McCain said he did not think government regulation of internet service providers to stop them from censoring, slowing down, or otherwise disrupting consumer’s access to the internet in order to stifle competitors or undesirable content was an appropriate solution. In fact, McCain even seemed at one point to be open to ISPs censoring consumer’s internet experience to block access to competitors’ services, saying at one point “When you control the pipe you should be able to get profit from your investment.”
McCain’s comments came at the D: Al Things Digital conference (http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070529/d5-mccain/) in Carlsbad, California. The annual conference is organized by the Wall Street Journal and hosted by tech gurus Walter Mossberg and Kara Swisher.
McCain later added “I’m all for the government encouraging competition, but I’ve found over time that less government involvement is better.” In one publicized case which critics say was an example of ISP censorship, AOL censored email (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6061089.html) sent by their users which included links to the anti-AOL website DearAOL.com (http://dearaol.com/). After there was an outcry on the internet, AOL later claimed the censorship was unintentional and that a technical glitch somehow only effected emails including the URL.
“Unless there is a clear-cut, unequivocal restraint of competition, the government should stay out of it,” McCain said. “These things will sort themselves out.”
In the past, McCain has said made statements strongly favorable towards telcos. In a statement (http://mccain.senate.gov/press_office/view_article.cfm?id=38) issued after a 2006 Senate hearing into the matter, McCain said “I believe that the network operators should get a return on their infrastructure investments.” He also claimed that at the same time he did not want ISPs to block internet access to consumers, but when a bill came up to prevent this type of corporate censorship, McCain opposed (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/net-neutrality.php) it.
In another move that was sure to infuriate many geeks, the 70 year old presidential hopeful also said that he would ask Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to serve on his cabinet to deal with technology issues if elected. He did not however say what position Ballmer might be hired in, but did joke that he might consider him for a diplomatic position, such as ambassador to China.
Ballmer is not known in the tech industry for his diplomatic prowess: he once threw a chair across his office saying he would “****ing kill Google (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/05/chair_chucking/)” after learning that a prized employee had defected to the search giant.


McCain's opposition to Net Neutrality also further demonstrates his complete lack of understanding of technology issues.



jag

[kainedamo]

Okay, jag does make a good point actually.

[jaguarr]

Maybe not, I never liked him in Massachusetts, but that's neither here nor there. I just find it odd that McCain's support, including Romney, Huckabee and Karl Rover (WTF:huh:) have come out against the tenor of his campaign. It's very odd.

You've got a point there, Shadow. With three high profile Republican mouthpieces (Romney and Huckabee were viewed as McCain attack dogs even as lately as the DNC Conventions) denouncing McCain's campaign tactics (and, yes, Rove chiming in like this is a BIG "WTF!?"), something is off.

jag

[Carcharodon]

Okay, jag does make a good point actually.Agreed.

[jaguarr]

Okay, jag does make a good point actually.

Agreed.

Excellent. You may both kiss my ring, now.

jag

[Matt]

You've got a point there, Shadow. With three high profile Republican mouthpieces (Romney and Huckabee were viewed as McCain attack dogs even as lately as the DNC Conventions) denouncing McCain's campaign tactics (and, yes, Rove chiming in like this is a BIG "WTF!?"), something is off.

jag

Maybe Rove is prepping for 2012 as well. Jeb 2012. :eek:

But yeah, Huckabee and Romney are simply young enough to have second chances. They want McCain to lose just as Clinton wants Obama to lose. Its not that suprising. The only reason Clinton hasn't done more stuff like this is because the media tears her a new one any time she says the slightest critical comment towards Barack.

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe Rove is prepping for 2012 as well. Jeb 2012. :eek:

But yeah, Huckabee and Romney are simply young enough to have second chances. They want McCain to lose just as Clinton wants Obama to lose. Its not that suprising. The only reason Clinton hasn't done more stuff like this is because the media tears her a new one any time she says the slightest critical comment towards Barack.
That seems like a weak explanation to me, especially since they acted on his behalf about two weeks ago. Moreover, it doesn't really explain Rove at all.

[Matt]

That seems like a weak explanation to me, especially since they acted on his behalf about two weeks ago. Moreover, it doesn't really explain Rove at all.

Not really. they had to go through the motions two weeks ago.

[Carcharodon]

Excellent. You may both kiss my ring, now.

jaghttp://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x246/M0nkeyB0ne/sharksealjaguarr.jpg

[Carcharodon]

Maybe Rove is prepping for 2012 as well. Jeb 2012. :eek:

But yeah, Huckabee and Romney are simply young enough to have second chances. They want McCain to lose just as Clinton wants Obama to lose. Its not that suprising. The only reason Clinton hasn't done more stuff like this is because the media tears her a new one any time she says the slightest critical comment towards Barack.Yeah, except for the part where she's campaigning for him now in Ohio, I believe.

[jaguarr]

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x246/M0nkeyB0ne/sharksealjaguarr.jpg

That's not a jaguar, it's a seal. You're like...the worst biologist ever!

jag

[Carcharodon]

That's not a jaguar, it's a seal. You're like...the worst biologist ever!

jagIT'S ****ING FIGURATIVE, JAG!!! :cmad:

[jaguarr]

IT'S ****ING FIGURATIVE, JAG!!! :cmad:

No!

jag

[sasquatchs]

...
McCain's Outraged and Outrageous Campaign

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1841131,00.html

...
The Obama campaign, meanwhile, which prides itself on running an even-keel campaign, has rarely tried to push the same emotional buttons. The only comparable effort came shortly before the Democratic convention, when the campaign latched onto McCain's admission in an interview that he did not know how many houses he owned with his wife, who is heir to a considerable fortune.

Then last week, the Obama campaign shifted gears, launching two new negative attacks on McCain, one suggesting that he was old by highlighting his time in Washington and unfamiliarity with email. The second, which focused on the number of former lobbyists who volunteer or work in the McCain campaign, misled viewers by suggesting that these officials still lobbied for special interests.

Neither attack was outraged or outrageous enough to create a new political conversation — let alone a tangent. This imbalance has caused some soul-searching and second-guessing in newsrooms, as reporters realize that they are being successfully manipulated by the McCain campaign. "Stop the madness," said TIME's own Mark Halperin, in an appearance on CNN to discuss the controversy. "I think this is the press just absolutely playing into the McCain campaign's crocodile tears."

[Carcharodon]

No!

jag:cmad:

:csad:

[Mr Sparkle]

Doesn't use the internet and doesn't use email BECAUSE of his injuries which do not allow him to type. Seems pretty simple to me.

As for the economic jab, go read his website if you want to know his position.

:huh: I think they were referring to technology in general, and since at no point do they make a reference to his POW wounds well, I'm going to go a head an call "********".
I mean, Stephen Hawking can't move and he uses computers.
no, it wasn't an implied jab at his wounds man, c'mon, you know this.

[jaguarr]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/15/cnn-poll-of-polls-mccains-convention-bounce-gone/

September 15, 2008
CNN POLL OF POLLS: McCain's convention bounce gone
Posted: 05:50 PM ET

McCain is dead even with Obama in CNN's poll of polls.

(CNN) – The bounce John McCain received in national opinion polls following his party's convention and the selection of Sarah Palin to the GOP presidential ticket appears to have evaporated, a new CNN poll of polls suggests.

In the latest CNN survey of several recent national polls, Obama and McCain are locked in a dead heat at 45 percent each with 10 percent who remain undecided with 50 days remaining until Election Day.

“When we average the latest national polls, it is increasingly clear that neither candidate has any serious momentum at the moment,” said CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib. “The convention bounces have faded and left us with a dead heat. Even though we are now in the final stretch of this historic marathon campaign for the presidency, the White House is still genuinely up for grabs.”

CNN's latest poll of polls consists of three recent surveys: Newsweek (September 10-11), Gallup (September 12-14), and Diageo/Hotline (September 12-14). It does not have a sampling error.


McCain's bouncing balls finally dropped. The next 50 days should be interesting. Now I'm even more curious what this "October Surprise" the Dem's have up their sleeve is.

jag

[Gilpesh]

Stephen Hawking

And there you go.

If that man can use a computer... anyone can.

[StrainedEyes]

I'm not trying to defend McCain at all, he's done some low brow things recently. But, I did feel the "Email" ad was a bit unnecessary. The other 3 ads released at the same time were good and hard hitting. McCain not knowing how to use a computer really doesn't mean anything.

[jaguarr]

I'm not trying to defend McCain at all, he's done some low brow things recently. But, I did feel the "Email" ad was a bit unnecessary. The other 3 ads released at the same time were good and hard hitting. McCain not knowing how to use a computer really doesn't mean anything.

Actually, McCain not being tech-savvy at all has it's pitfalls. We discussed this earlier today.


I'm sorry, but we live in the information technology age. Nearly everything is driven by technology and especially computers. I would say that being tech-savvy and aware is a requirement for leadership in this country anymore. If McCain was even half-way clued in about technology and how it affects this country, I wouldn't sweat his not using a computer (hell, we have a high-level executive in my company that refuses to use his computer, but he's extremely tech-savvy on the overall level). But he's not clued in about technology in the slightest (unless you count swiping segments of Wikipedia articles for your speeches). How can a President who doesn't understand technology carry us forward and make informed decisions in this age of technology? I know what McCain's answer was; he wanted to make Steve Ballmer his technology czar. That's like making the worst serial murderer on death row the warden of the prison.

jag

Steve Ballmer as a Technology Czar? You're okay with that? Seriously? Surrounding yourself with experts is fine and dandy if you've got good judgment to pick the right people for the job. But Steve Ballmer? Are you kidding me? My analogy of Steve Ballmer is completely on point, given Microsoft's history and his role in it. John McCain doesn't even understand the technology arena well enough to know how to pick the right advisors. That's a problem.

jag

Absolutely. Bush has given us a prime example of that by helping U.S. based technology companies offshore core competency jobs that cause the U.S. to lose their basic intellectual property and all the knowledge around it. When those jobs leave our shores, that knowledge is gone and is EXTREMELY difficult to get back. That intellectual property is gone with those jobs and will never be recovered. Any tech-savvy leader would have immediately had questions about the wisdom of offshoring higher to mid-level programming, system architecture and design jobs to other countries because of these factors.

jag

Steve Ballmer is the CEO of Microsoft. He's been running the company for many moons now, and has complete control since Gates retired. He has been blamed for a lot of the uncompetitive practices Microsoft has been accused and investigated of in the past, as well as the product line debacles that MS has stumbled over in recent years including Windows Vista and the often bashed Zune. Not only does Ballmer not understand the technology space based on the poor product and business decisions he's made, he makes calculated moves to try and crush competition or force them out of their own markets. He is the living embodiment of abuse of corporate power. He is the LAST person who should be advising the President on technology. But that's who McCain has stated he would want:

http://www.thedailybackground.com/2007/05/30/mccain-comes-out-against-net-neutrality-says-would-hire-microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer/

McCain comes out against Net Neutrality; Says would hire Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (http://www.thedailybackground.com/2007/05/30/mccain-comes-out-against-net-neutrality-says-would-hire-microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer/)

Filed at 6:05 pm, Wednesday May 30th 2007
by Arlen Parsa
http://thedailybackground.com/media/images/blog//ZZ435A5FE8.jpgRepublican presidential hopeful John McCain yesterday attended a technology conference and came out against Net Neutrality.
McCain said he did not think government regulation of internet service providers to stop them from censoring, slowing down, or otherwise disrupting consumer’s access to the internet in order to stifle competitors or undesirable content was an appropriate solution. In fact, McCain even seemed at one point to be open to ISPs censoring consumer’s internet experience to block access to competitors’ services, saying at one point “When you control the pipe you should be able to get profit from your investment.”
McCain’s comments came at the D: Al Things Digital conference (http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070529/d5-mccain/) in Carlsbad, California. The annual conference is organized by the Wall Street Journal and hosted by tech gurus Walter Mossberg and Kara Swisher.
McCain later added “I’m all for the government encouraging competition, but I’ve found over time that less government involvement is better.” In one publicized case which critics say was an example of ISP censorship, AOL censored email (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6061089.html) sent by their users which included links to the anti-AOL website DearAOL.com (http://dearaol.com/). After there was an outcry on the internet, AOL later claimed the censorship was unintentional and that a technical glitch somehow only effected emails including the URL.
“Unless there is a clear-cut, unequivocal restraint of competition, the government should stay out of it,” McCain said. “These things will sort themselves out.”
In the past, McCain has said made statements strongly favorable towards telcos. In a statement (http://mccain.senate.gov/press_office/view_article.cfm?id=38) issued after a 2006 Senate hearing into the matter, McCain said “I believe that the network operators should get a return on their infrastructure investments.” He also claimed that at the same time he did not want ISPs to block internet access to consumers, but when a bill came up to prevent this type of corporate censorship, McCain opposed (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/net-neutrality.php) it.
In another move that was sure to infuriate many geeks, the 70 year old presidential hopeful also said that he would ask Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to serve on his cabinet to deal with technology issues if elected. He did not however say what position Ballmer might be hired in, but did joke that he might consider him for a diplomatic position, such as ambassador to China.
Ballmer is not known in the tech industry for his diplomatic prowess: he once threw a chair across his office saying he would “****ing kill Google (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/05/chair_chucking/)” after learning that a prized employee had defected to the search giant.


McCain's opposition to Net Neutrality also further demonstrates his complete lack of understanding of technology issues.

jag


We really can't afford a President who's absolutely clueless on technology issues and is perfectly willing to surround himself with conniving opportunists like Steve Ballmer who have proven their own willingness to abuse their corporate power right along with their own lack of real understanding of technology issues.

jag

[Gilpesh]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

The reason McCain thinks net neutrality is a bad idea, is because companies should be to control it and get a profit from your investment?

So charging you isn't enough? He wants your internet to just be a huge ad?

Alright. It's official... McCain is going to ruin this country.

[jaguarr]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

The reason McCain thinks net neutrality is a bad idea, is because companies should be to control it and get a profit from your investment?

So charging you isn't enough? He wants your internet to just be a huge ad?

Alright. It's official... McCain is going to ruin this country.

He also thinks companies should be able to censor and block whatever they choose. McCain is sponsoring censorship and infringement on freedom of speech and information distrubution.

jag

[Gilpesh]

He also thinks companies should be able to censor and block whatever they choose. McCain is sponsoring censorship and infringement on freedom of speech and information distrubution.

jag

How dare you belittle his experience as a POW! [/McCain campaign]

[jaguarr]

How dare you belittle his experience as a POW! [/McCain campaign]

:funny:

jag

[Gilpesh]

McCain fails at freedom. [/Jackass]


Seriously Jag? You're not twisting facts or just saying what you've overheard or leaving out the context? I'd like some proof that he is for those things...

[jaguarr]

McCain fails at freedom. [/Jackass]


Seriously Jag? You're not twisting facts or just saying what you've overheard or leaving out the context? I'd like some proof that he is for those things...

Are you serious? It says it in the article I posted above. :huh:

He also claimed that at the same time he did not want ISPs to block internet access to consumers, but when a bill came up to prevent this type of corporate censorship, McCain opposed (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/net-neutrality.php) it.

jag

[Gilpesh]

Are you serious? It says it in the article I posted above. :huh:

jag

Guess I Lazur'd over it.

:hehe:



I just thought it was on another issue besides the internet and just in general. :csad:

[jaguarr]

Guess I Lazur'd over it.

:hehe:



I just thought it was on another issue besides the internet and just in general. :csad:

The whole point of Net Neutrality is to prevent companies from censoring their customers or restricting content so that everyone has equal access. And McCain is against that. He's voted against it.

jag

[Superman]

I've may have missed it, If so I'm sorry, But can anyone show me where Obama has ever bashed McCain for not being able to e-mail because of his war injuries like lazur claimed?:huh:

[Gilpesh]

I've may have missed it, If so I'm sorry, But can anyone show me where Obama has ever bashed McCain for not being able to e-mail because of his war injuries like lazur claimed?:huh:

Don't worry. They just poked fun at Obama being out of touch where McCain doesn't even email...


Then McCain's campaign comes out and says that he can't type because of his war injuries and that's why he doesn't email... shame on Obama for making fun of McCain's time as a POW.

[StrainedEyes]

Actually, McCain not being tech-savvy at all has it's pitfalls. We discussed this earlier today.


We really can't afford a President who's absolutely clueless on technology issues and is perfectly willing to surround himself with conniving opportunists like Steve Ballmer who have proven their own willingness to abuse their corporate power right along with their own lack of real understanding of technology issues.

jag

I mean, that all makes sense. The Ad itself, however, felt a little silly. It should have addressed these issues, instead of focusing on him not being able to email. It came off more like "Ha ha, he can't write an email." and less like "He doesn't understand that internet and technology are important issues."

A good point was made on the O'Reilly factor tonight, that such an ad, will definitely alienate some senior citizens who don't know how to use a computer.

[Knives]

You know I really wonder if there is going to be a backfire for McCain for all those stupid ads he put out. I mean when you have KARL ROVE saying they arent true, you KNOW you've over done it. So I wonder if that's going to hit his credibility with people, or will people simply continue to not care about anything.

And you just KNOW Obama is going to bury him with that "fundamentals of our economy are strong" line he foolishly said today, of all days. I wonder if that's going to hurt him in the polls any. Especially if Obama hammers him with it.

[souvlaki]

Apologies if someone mentioned this already, but when asked if Obama was calling Sarah Palin a pig last week, McCain's response was "No".

wtf? So he's putting out ads that not even he believes.

[Mikelus]

McCain is a dishonest person, then he says how much he prays to God to guide him, blah blah blah.... I guess his "God" wants him to lie, what a pathological liar, using God to gain votes when is so obvious he doesn't give a crap.

[Marx]

Apologies if someone mentioned this already, but when asked if Obama was calling Sarah Palin a pig last week, McCain's response was "No".

wtf? So he's putting out ads that not even he believes.

When did he say no? He has made up an 'outrage' suggesting that Obama did call her a pig. He was on The View just this past week and reiterated that claim. :huh:

[souvlaki]

When did he say no? He has made up an 'outrage' suggesting that Obama did call her a pig. He was on The View just this past week and reiterated that claim. :huh:

Not that Keith Olbermann is exactly the most unbiased commentator on television but he just ranted about it for like five minutes. I didn't catch where McCain said this, but given that it's still a major television network I would assume Olbermann wasn't just making it up.

[souvlaki]

Nevermind... google searched "McCain Palin Pig" and it was the first thing that came up:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jqSrvKD0cyqbefXbnUu0sZbSv8qAD937BC880



JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — Did Barack Obama really call Sarah Palin a pig, as a John McCain ad leads people to believe? "No," McCain said Monday. The Republican presidential nominee defended the ad anyway, saying Obama "chooses his words very carefully."

What the hell does that even mean? So Obama doesn't think Palin is a pig but said it just to cause a problem for his campaign? Sure... that makes sense.

[Marx]

Nevermind... google searched "McCain Palin Pig" and it was the first thing that came up:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jqSrvKD0cyqbefXbnUu0sZbSv8qAD937BC880



What the hell does that even mean? So Obama doesn't think Palin is a pig but said it just to cause a problem for his campaign? Sure... that makes sense.

Ok...so now John McCain is blatantly lying to the American people and he...just...doesn't...care? What an a******!

[The Senator]

You know, this whole "pig" comment/ sexism debate is making it really, really hard for me to not shout curse words at the top of my lungs while tearing the hair out of my scalp.

[Marx]

You know, this whole "pig" comment/ sexism debate is making it really, really hard for me to not shout curse words at the top of my lungs while tearing my hair out of my scalp.

Tell me about it man! :cmad:

[souvlaki]

Ok...so now John McCain is blatantly lying to the American people and he...just...doesn't...care? What an a******!

Yeah, it boggles my mind how he's getting away with this... and then I remember 2000 and 2004 and get depressed. :(

[Marx]

Yeah, it boggles my mind how he's getting away with this... and then I remember 2000 and 2004 and get depressed. :(

He's been called to the carpet for all the lies and mistruths that have become the definition of his campaign...and all he does is keep repeating them as if no one will know differently because his story stays the same. Now, he admits that his 'outrage' against Obama for 'calling Sarah Palin a pig' wasn't really the case. But he promoted it as such anyway.

Wow...this just keeps p****** me off.

[ManofmyWord]

Don't be pissed at McCain, be pissed at the Sheep voting for him(Nothing bad against McCain supporters here, you guys actually listen and debate). I'm talking about people who KNOW he's lying but still: "Well he's a pro-life Christian goin' protect us from terriostism!"

Typo implied.

[Superman]

Don't worry. They just poked fun at Obama being out of touch where McCain doesn't even email...


Then McCain's campaign comes out and says that he can't type because of his war injuries and that's why he doesn't email... shame on Obama for making fun of McCain's time as a POW.:huh:

So lazur "LIED" about Obama bashing McCain for not e-mailing because of his war injuries?:shock

For shame lazur.:whatever:


Seriously though, It's one thing for some guy on YouTube to try to tell me that Obama went after McCain over not being able to e-mail but I really thought lazur had more sense than that.

Guess not.:csad:

lazur I'm going to tell you the same thing I told that guy at YouTube...

His war injuries have nothing to do with the reason he can't e-mail, He can't e-mail because he is computer illiterate. McCain has said many times that he knows very little about the internet or computers and that his staff is just now teaching him how to use e-mail.

His injuries have nothing to do with it and Obama never said it did.

[souvlaki]

:huh:

So lazur "LIED" about Obama bashing McCain for not e-mailing because of his war injuries?:shock

For shame lazur.:whatever:


Seriously though, It's one thing for some guy on YouTube to try to tell me that Obama went after McCain over not being able to e-mail but I really thought lazur had more sense than that.

Guess not.:csad:

lazur I'm going to tell you the same thing I told that guy at YouTube...

His war injuries have nothing to do with the reason he can't e-mail, He can't e-mail because he is computer illiterate. McCain has said many times that he knows very little about the internet or computers and that his staff is just now teaching him how to use e-mail.

His injuries have nothing to do with it and Obama never said it did.

Yeah, I never got that argument either. Just because you are incapable of using a keyboard doesn't mean you are incapable of learning the internet, or even using the internet for that matter. If Stephen Hawking can use the internet by simply blinking his eyes, surely McCain is capable of it. I mean it is sort of something you should have a basic knowledge of in 2008 if you want to be President of the United States.

[jaguarr]

"...the fundamentals of our economy are strong..." - John McCain, September 15, 2008 (also known as Black Monday, the day the market crashed harshly in what Alan Greenspan called "A once in a century occurrence".)

And people want to vote for this jackass? Why? :huh:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

McCain should start building a casket for the grave he's digging.

[souvlaki]

"...the fundamentals of our economy are strong..." - John McCain, September 15, 2008 (also known as Black Monday, the day the market crashed harshly in what Alan Greenspan called "A once in a century occurrence".)

And people want to vote for this jackass? Why? :huh:

jag

Oh, but see, the "fundamentals" McCain was referring to were the hardworking people of America. :whatever:

I love how when McCain is called out on this crap now he simply changes the meaning of what he said to make it look like Obama is an ***hole for even bringing it up.

[jaguarr]

Oh, but see, the "fundamentals" McCain was referring to were the hardworking people of America. :whatever:

I love how when McCain is called out on this crap now he simply changes the meaning of what he said to make it look like Obama is an ***hole for even bringing it up.

I'm sorry, but it just makes McCain look even more clueless and childish. This guy has no business being anywhere near the Presidency and neither does his "bucket of fluff" running mate.

jag

[Superman]

Yeah, I never got that argument either. Just because you are incapable of using a keyboard doesn't mean you are incapable of learning the internet, or even using the internet for that matter. If Stephen Hawking can use the internet by simply blinking his eyes, surely McCain is capable of it. I mean it is sort of something you should have a basic knowledge of in 2008 if you want to be President of the United States.That's what I keep saying.

I want my President to at least have some basic knowledge of computers and the internet. McCain has said many times that he knows little about computer and that his staff is just now starting to teach him the basics of computers and the internet.

If the President is going to be signing bills into laws that concern the internet and computers he should at least know what the hell it is he's signing.

Being injured is no excuse for a senator of the US who wants to be President, In this day and age, To not know the basics of a computer.

[Knives]

"...the fundamentals of our economy are strong..." - John McCain, September 15, 2008 (also known as Black Monday, the day the market crashed harshly in what Alan Greenspan called "A once in a century occurrence".)

And people want to vote for this jackass? Why? :huh:

jag

Obama needs to put that in ana ad tomorrow and trash McCain on the economy. with whats going on now, he can easily gain the upper hand now.

[Superman]

Has this been posted yet?

CK3Y1KPzW9k

Great ad, They should play this in every state, Red or Blue.

[souvlaki]

Obama needs to put that in ana ad tomorrow and trash McCain on the economy. with whats going on now, he can easily gain the upper hand now.

Pretty sure it's already been turned into an ad. Could have sworn I saw an Obama ad with that quote earlier today.

[souvlaki]

Has this been posted yet?

CK3Y1KPzW9k

Great ad, They should play this in every state, Red or Blue.

Saw that ad earlier. Would have been better if it ended with Karl Rove's quote. Would have driven the point home.

[ShadowBoxing]

Oh, but see, the "fundamentals" McCain was referring to were the hardworking people of America. :whatever:

I love how when McCain is called out on this crap now he simply changes the meaning of what he said to make it look like Obama is an ***hole for even bringing it up.
McCain was a POW for five years, he didn't have an economics class back then!:cmad:

[Knives]

McCain was a POW for five years, he didn't have an economics class back then!:cmad:

But he had good fundementals dammit!

[Superman]

But he had good fundementals dammit!McCain had "Hardworking Americans" in nam?:huh:

:hehe:

[Knives]

McCain had "Hardworking Americans" in nam?:huh:

:hehe:

I meant...um...but POW and......SHUT UP YOU SEXIST!:cmad:

[jaguarr]

:lmao: LMFAO!!!!! Okay, the B.S. coming out of the McCain Campaign is officially jumping the shark, now:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g1MSY3Bgt7YC5XHmxAdt9VkOlvhwD937S7SG1

Adviser says McCain helped create the BlackBerry

1 hour ago

MIAMI (AP) — Move over, Al Gore. You may lay claim to the Internet, but John McCain helped create the BlackBerry.

At least that's the contention of a top McCain policy adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin. Waving his BlackBerry personal digital assistant and citing McCain's work as a senator, he told reporters Tuesday, "You're looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create."

McCain has acknowledged that he doesn't know how to use a computer and can't send e-mail, one of the BlackBerry's prime functions.

Holtz-Eakin's argument is similar to one advanced by Gore, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000. Gore once boasted about "taking the initiative to create the Internet" through technological and educational policies. He later was mocked for claiming to have invented the Internet, although he never made such a claim.

Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, said McCain's service on and leadership of the Senate Commerce Committee put him at the intersection of a number of economic interests, including the telecommunications industry.

The Arizona senator's handling of regulation and deregulation of that industry in particular left him with the skills to help revive the economy amid a mortgage crisis, an energy crisis and a Wall Street meltdown, the adviser said.

"He can and has the judgment to put people in place with technical expertise, with the history of experience in the areas necessary, that we're going to get reforms," Holtz-Eakin said.


:dry:

:lmao:

:dry:

jag

[Marx]

John McCain helped invent the Blackberry...but he can't even use a computer? :huh:

[Gilpesh]

John McCain helped invent the Blackberry...but he can't even use a computer? :huh:

Hey! For five and a half years... all John McCain had to check his email was dial-up. How dare you disrespect that!

[jaguarr]

LMAO! Now the McCain Camp is disowning the "blackberry" comment:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/mccain-and-the.html

McCain and the BlackBerry

September 16, 2008 11:35 AM

This morning McCain domestic policy adviser Douglas Holz-Eakin was asked what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., could point to from his work on the Senate Commerce Committee that would prove to the American people that he has experience on technology issues.

"He did this," Holz-Eakin said, holding up his BlackBerry. "Telecommunications in the United States, the premiere innovation in the past 15 years comes right through the Commerce Committee. So you're looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create. And that's what he did."

The campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., immediately tried to paint this as an Al-Gore-I-invented-the-internet moment.

“If John McCain hadn’t said that ‘the fundamentals of our economy are strong’ on the day of one of our nation’s worst financial crises," Obama spox Bill Burton emailed reporters, "the claim that he invented the BlackBerry would have been the most preposterous thing said all week."

- Jake Tapper and Bret Hovell

UPDATE: Senior aide Matt McDonald said that Sen. McCain "laughed" when he heard about Holz-Eakin's comment.

"He would not claim to be the inventor of anything, much less the BlackBerry. This was obviously a boneheaded joke by a staffer," McDonald said.

You guys sound confused. Maybe you should see what Wikipedia has to say about the Blackberry. :lmao:

jag

[JLBats]

Wait, wait, wait...

are you saying John McCain did NOT invent the Blackberry?

[Gilpesh]

So a McCain surrogate says he invented the blackberry... then suddenly another aide comes out and says that surrogate was just 'joking'?

Wait... did they say it, check the initial reaction, then see how to actually play it?

[jaguarr]

I think this whole Blackberry Incident just further highlights my point from yesterday that not only is McCain not tech-savvy, he is perfectly content to surround himself with so-called experts on the subject that are just as clueless as he is. One of his domestic policy advisers trying to pass that whole mess off as qualifying McCain being tech savvy, much less the Blackberry comment, is laughable as hell.

jag

[Gilpesh]

Boo... double

[jaguarr]

I think this whole Blackberry Incident just further highlights my point from yesterday that not only is McCain not tech-savvy, he is perfectly content to surround himself with so-called experts on the subject that are just as clueless as he is. One of his domestic policy advisers trying to pass that whole mess off as qualifying McCain being tech savvy, much less the Blackberry comment, is laughable as hell.

jag

[jaguarr]

This probably belongs in the McCain thread, since they're all Republicans:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/09/cheney-lied.html

Dick Cheney lied to me on war, says GOP leader

It is the central charge against the Bush White House, that the administration lied its way into a war in Iraq.

For years, left-wing pundits and groups like MoveOn.org beat the drums with this accusation. The White House response: We were just acting on the same intelligence everyone else had -- evidence, which turned out to be faulty, that Iraq's Saddam Hussein was harboring weapons of mass destruction.

Now comes Dick Armey, once House Majority Leader, who described a classified one-on-one briefing in the vice president's hideaway office in the U.S. Capitol where he says Vice President Dick Cheney went beyond that into outright deception.

According to a new book on Cheney called "Angler," by Washington Post reporter Barton Gellman, Armey, a Texas Republican, had spoken out against the war. Cheney was trying to change his mind. So the vice president told him the threat from Iraq was actually "more imminent than we want to portray to the public at large." In Armey's account, Cheney told him:

Iraq's "ability to miniaturize weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear," had been "substantially refined since the first Gulf War," and would soon result in "packages that could be moved even by ground personnel....We now know they have the ability to develop these weapons in a very portable fashion, and they have a delivery system in their relationship with organizations such as Al Qaeda."

"Did Dick Cheney ... purposely tell me things he knew to be untrue?" Armey said. "I seriously feel that may be the case...Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."

jag

[JLBats]

John McCain, YOU'RE TEARINNNNG ME APART!

You, you say one thing, he says another, and everybody changes back again!

[The Senator]

Guys, seriously.

John McCain is not talking about the BlackBerry. He is talking about blackberries. He was with God the day he invented fruit, and John McCain asked God for something sweet he could pick off vines in the Garden.

Gotta get your facts straight. :whatever:

[jaguarr]

Guys, seriously.

John McCain is not talking about the BlackBerry. He is talking about blackberries. He was with God the day he invented fruit, and John McCain asked God for something sweet he could pick off vines in the Garden.

Gotta get your facts straight. :whatever:

John McCain borrowed $20 from Jesus and never paid him back! :eek:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

John McCain borrowed $20 from Jesus and never paid him back! :eek:

jag
Jesus didn't need it back since he is an elitist community organizer.

[The Senator]

John McCain borrowed $20 from Jesus and never paid him back! :eek:

jag

And Jesus kept trying to hit McCain up for that money, which is why John McCain despises community organizers. Whiny little *****es...

[souvlaki]

I think I get the general idea he was going after when he said this, but this is going to bite him in the ass big time. Flat out dumb way of wording this:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qsazrg1gbO0&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qsazrg1gbO0&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[jaguarr]

John McCain borrowed $20 from Jesus and never paid him back! :eek:

jag

Jesus didn't need it back since he is an elitist community organizer.

And Jesus kept trying to hit McCain up for that money, which is why John McCain despises community organizers. Whiny little *****es...

:funny:

jag

[jaguarr]

I think I get the general idea he was going after when he said this, but this is going to bite him in the ass big time. Flat out dumb way of wording this:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qsazrg1gbO0&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qsazrg1gbO0&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

:hehe:

jag

[jaguarr]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/09/16/jewish_voters_report_calls_disparaging_obama/

Jewish voters report calls disparaging Obama

By Kelli Kennedy, Associated Press Writer | September 16, 2008

MIAMI --Jewish voters in Florida and at least one other state are being targeted by a telephone survey tying Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to Palestinian causes, an advocacy group alleged Monday.

The Jewish Council for Education in Research says at least two women in separate states were push polled, or asked questions intended to influence voters while pretending to take a poll, on Sunday afternoon from a caller who said he was from Research Strategies.

Joelna Marcus says she became uncomfortable when the caller asked if she was Jewish, whether she was Orthodox and how often she attends synagogue.

The caller then asked if Marcus would be influenced if she learned that Obama had donated money to the Palestine Liberation Organization. The caller also asked how she would vote if she learned that someone on the Illinois senator's staff had close ties to Palestine.

Marcus, a 71-year-old former college professor, said she was furious.

"I said you're not polling me. This is un-American. This is unacceptable," said Marcus, a snowbird who lives in New Jersey and has a house in Key West. "And then this is the scary part. He said if you had not said that you were Jewish, you would have been disqualified."

Deborah Minden, who lives in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood in Pittsburgh received a similar call Sunday afternoon. After asking basic demographic information, Minden, 56, said the caller said, "I'm going to ask you some things about Sen. Obama and you tell me if it would make you more or less likely to vote for him."

The poller then ticked off a list of accusations including that Obama's church had made anti-Semitic statements and that Obama had met with Hamas leaders.

A spokesman for Sen. John McCain, who is on a two-day swing in Florida, did not immediately comment Monday night.

"We see this as a disturbing but not unexpected ratcheting up of the kind of misinformation and outright lies about Obama's record that we've literally seen since he declared his candidacy," said Mik Moore, co-executive director of the Jewish Council for Education & Research. The organization has endorsed Obama for president.

During the Republican presidential primaries, McCain alleged push polling had taken place and asked for an investigation into thousands of calls to New Hampshire voters that disparaged him and supported rival Mike Huckabee.

Oh, boy....here we go...

jag

[Matt]

Maybe I'm crazy, but so what? Its a phone call, if you do not like the content, hang up and put your name on the no call list. Its a dirty tactic, but I really don't think our tax dollars need to be put to use investigating it. If people are too stupid to see through such a thing, its not our government's job to protect them.

[jaguarr]

Maybe I'm crazy, but so what? Its a phone call, if you do not like the content, hang up and put your name on the no call list. Its a dirty tactic, but I really don't think our tax dollars need to be put to use investigating it. If people are too stupid to see through such a thing, its not our government's job to protect them.

So you're okay with this kind of thing, then?

jag

[souvlaki]

Oh, boy....here we go...

jag

This is despicable. I hope the media picks up on this.

[souvlaki]

Maybe I'm crazy, but so what? Its a phone call, if you do not like the content, hang up and put your name on the no call list. Its a dirty tactic, but I really don't think our tax dollars need to be put to use investigating it. If people are too stupid to see through such a thing, its not our government's job to protect them.

Matt, your bias is really showing through lately. You'd be having a hissy fit if this was Obama.

[Matt]

Matt, your bias is really showing through lately. You'd be having a hissy fit if this was Obama.

Umm, I just said I'm voting for Obama this morning, so I doubt my bias is showing. No, I wouldn't. Its stupid to investigate it. It is a PAC making phone calls with distorted facts. Our government really has better things to be doing than investigating the source of information that anyone can disprove with five minutes on Google.

[jaguarr]

Umm, I just said I'm voting for Obama this morning, so I doubt my bias is showing. No, I wouldn't. Its stupid to investigate it. It is a PAC making phone calls with distorted facts. Our government really has better things to be doing than investigating the source of information that anyone can disprove with five minutes on Google.

Where in the article does it say the government is going to investigate this? :huh: If any organization will investigate it, I would think it would be the Jewish Council For Education & Research or some other similar group. But, you have to admit, deliberately targeting Jewish people to spread disinformation and lies in a state where a large percentage of the population is elderly through the pretense of a "phone poll" is despicable.

jag

[Matt]

Where in the article does it say the government is going to investigate this? :huh: If any organization will investigate it, I would think it would be the Jewish Council For Education & Research or some other similar group. But, you have to admit, deliberately targeting Jewish people to spread disinformation and lies in a state where a large percentage of the population is elderly through the pretense of a "phone poll" is despicable.

jag

McCain called for investigations about Huckabee allegedly doing this at the bottom. And yes, it is despicable...but still...so what? The media got a hold of it, they are reporting its false, good for them. If someone is really so stupid to fall for this stuff with all the information out there...then, well...god bless 'em.

[jaguarr]

McCain called for investigations about Huckabee allegedly doing this at the bottom. And yes, it is despicable...but still...so what? The media got a hold of it, they are reporting its false, good for them. If someone is really so stupid to fall for this stuff with all the information out there...then, well...god bless 'em.

There's a reason shysters and con artists target the elderly, Matt; they are easily duped. And someohow I doubt McCain will be calling for an investigation this time around. ;)

jag

[Matt]

Just a bit of a difference between stealing someone's life savings and telling them a lie over the phone. :cwink:

[jaguarr]

Just a bit of a difference between stealing someone's life savings and telling them a lie over the phone. :cwink:

They both start with a lie to a demographic that is easily fooled. ;)

jag

[Superman4ever]

McCain loses Fox?

OviYjJWIYbY&eurl=http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/kelly-bounds-taxes/

McCain Loses Fox News: Megyn Kelly Rips McCain Flack For Claiming Obama Would Raise Middle Class Taxes»

On Fox News today, host Megyn Kelly called out McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds for the campaign’s lies about Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) tax proposals. “I want to hold you accountable for what McCain is doing,” said Kelly. “Has your candidate gone too far, has he stretched the truth with the voters?”

Bounds initially attempted to dismiss her question, claiming that McCain has simply “gone to great lengths to discuss Barack Obama’s record.” “It is true that during a struggling economy, he proposes raising taxes,” declared Bounds.

“Not on the middle class,” shot back Kelly, noting that “virtually every independent analyst” has said that the McCain campaign is lying:

KELLY: But you guys have suggested he’s going to raise taxes on the middle class and virtually every independent analyst who took a look at that claim said that’s not true. He’ll raise it on people making $200,000 or $250,000, but not the middle class.

Bounds tried to push back by saying that Obama had voted to raise taxes in the past, but Kelly kept pushing Bounds to admit the McCain campaign was lying. “If that’s false, why would John McCain do that, Tucker? Why wouldn’t he just level with the voters?” asked Kelly:

KELLY: Let’s stay on point, I’m not giving him any credit. I’m saying what the independent analysts say. They say that claim is false. And if that’s false, why would John McCain do that Tucker? Why wouldn’t he just level with the voters and say, “look, he’s going to raise taxes on the wealthy or whatever you consider somebody to be making over $250,000, it’s going to have a trickle down effect. That may not be good for the middle class.” But why say he’s going to raise taxes on the middle class when he’s not?

[Superman4ever]

McCain Lie Counter!

http://www.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Count_the_Lies

Currently at 54!

[ShadowBoxing]

They both start with a lie to a demographic that is easily fooled. ;)

jag
Jag's right, it's morally reprehensible to lie to the elderly. Just look at John McCain's economic advisers...

[Schlosser85]

Sadly, one casualty of this election will be McCain's reputation as a man with any backbone or sense of honor whatsoever.

[ShadowBoxing]

McCain loses Fox?

OviYjJWIYbY&eurl=http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/kelly-bounds-taxes/
After a while even bat-f***-crazy conservative start worrying about the economy.

[jaguarr]

McCain loses Fox?

OviYjJWIYbY&eurl=http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/kelly-bounds-taxes/

LMFAO! First Campbell Brown made Tucker Bounds her *****, now Megyn Kelly is doing it. Hahaha! I think the female anchors have declared it open season on Tucker Bounds and his B.S. The McCain Campaign should just stop letting that guy talk to the media. :funny:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Here's that video of the world exploding
L16IVxHB4lY

[jaguarr]

We've been talking about McCain's primary economic adviser, Phil Gramm, in the Obama thread. Here's a bit more about this lovely man who you can probably thank in large part for the sub-prime mortgage mess, Enron and the current Wall Street hell going on right now:

http://www.alternet.org/election08/87999

After reading that, who wants "Foreclosure" Phil as your Secretary of the Treasury? Raise your hand.

jag

[Matt]

Sadly, one casualty of this election will be McCain's reputation as a man with any backbone or sense of honor whatsoever.

That was gone the day he endorsed the man who claimed his adopted daughter was his illigitiment love child.

[rdh007]

That was gone the day he endorsed the man who claimed his adopted daughter was his illigitiment love child.

^ My biggest problem with him.

[Schlosser85]

^obviously I'm not up on that...who are we talking about?

[souvlaki]

^obviously I'm not up on that...who are we talking about?

George Bush. He claimed in the 2000 primary that McCain's adopted daughter was really an illegitimate love child.

[Matt]

On a side note (because who really wants to talk about McCain?)...I'd just like to say, I can't wait for this election to be over so posters like Souvlaki, LightningStrykez!, rdh, and Jman will love me again :csad:

[The Senator]

:lmao:

Now McCain is claiming he has much more economic experience than Obama, by pointing to his recent committee assignments:


The point is, I was chairman of the commerce committee. Every part of America's economy, I oversighted. I have a long record, certainly far more extensive of being involved in our economy than Senator Obama does.

What's funny about this? Has anyone seen the state of the economy these days? :huh:

[Matt]

I think whats really funny is the use of the word "Oversighted."

[The Senator]

On a side note (because who really wants to talk about McCain?)...I'd just like to say, I can't wait for this election to be over so posters like Souvlaki, LightningStrykez!, rdh, and Jman will love me again :csad:

I argue with you so much because I do love you, Matt. I don't want to see you corrupted by pettiness.

[Schlosser85]

Every part of America's economy, I oversighted. I have a long record, certainly far more extensive of being involved in our economy than Senator Obama does.


Funny, I could have sworn just the other day he admitted he doesn't really know much about the economy and was reading a book by Alan Greenspan about it.

Oh, and "oversighted"? I think "oversaw" was the word there. He really has been hanging out with Bush too much, hasn't he?

[Superman]

Guys, seriously.

John McCain is not talking about the BlackBerry. He is talking about blackberries. He was with God the day he invented fruit, and John McCain asked God for something sweet he could pick off vines in the Garden.

Gotta get your facts straight. :whatever::lmao:

[Superman]

Umm, I just said I'm voting for Obama this morning, so I doubt my bias is showing. No, I wouldn't. Its stupid to investigate it. It is a PAC making phone calls with distorted facts. Our government really has better things to be doing than investigating the source of information that anyone can disprove with five minutes on Google.You're voting Obama?:huh:

[Superman]

Umm, I just said I'm voting for Obama this morning, so I doubt my bias is showing. No, I wouldn't. Its stupid to investigate it. It is a PAC making phone calls with distorted facts. Our government really has better things to be doing than investigating the source of information that anyone can disprove with five minutes on Google.This is true.

Where in the article does it say the government is going to investigate this? :huh: If any organization will investigate it, I would think it would be the Jewish Council For Education & Research or some other similar group. But, you have to admit, deliberately targeting Jewish people to spread disinformation and lies in a state where a large percentage of the population is elderly through the pretense of a "phone poll" is despicable.

jagThis has been going on for years. I think the Dems have even done it.

Yes it's wrong and all but it's nothing new.:csad:

[DorkyFresh]

McCain is really sounding like an old, boring, broken record...

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[Superman]

McCain is really sounding like an old, boring, broken record...

KBPzwL61f4Nothing there.:csad:

[souvlaki]

Nothing there.:csad:

Are you referring to the video, or McCain's platform? :woot:

[souvlaki]

Has anyone mentioned McCain's appearance on Morning Joe this morning? He basically lost his temper and more or less attacked Joe Scarbourough's co-host.

There are a few video highlights as well as a transcript of some of the more interesting exchanges here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/mccain-gets-testy-on-morn_n_126773.html

[jaguarr]

Has anyone mentioned McCain's appearance on Morning Joe this morning? He basically lost his temper and more or less attacked Joe Scarbourough's co-host.

There are a few video highlights as well as a transcript of some of the more interesting exchanges here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/mccain-gets-testy-on-morn_n_126773.html


What the hell is up with McCain's eyes when he talks? He blinks like...seven times for each syllable. Especially when he's getting pissed off and trying to hide it. :huh:

At any rate, McCain's ready to lose it. He better stay the hell away from Campbell Brown if he feels like Brzezenski was hard on him. And this going on and on about "Obama won't do town halls with me! Whaaaaa!" has gotten old. Why should Obama draw crowds for McCain to lie to? And why can't McCain tell the truth in his campaign unless Obama does the town halls? Makes no sense. :huh: Gotta tell ya, though....McCain looks really, really run down in that interview segment. He has the energy of a pet rock.

jag

[Gilpesh]

I like how he added a jab at her for asking the question... then said it was a cheap shot to point out her brother works for McCain.

[JLBats]

Has anyone mentioned McCain's appearance on Morning Joe this morning? He basically lost his temper and more or less attacked Joe Scarbourough's co-host.

There are a few video highlights as well as a transcript of some of the more interesting exchanges here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/mccain-gets-testy-on-morn_n_126773.html

He sounds like such a *****.

"Go on our website. I know you do often." Like, bitter that he doesn't think she supports him:huh:

[jaguarr]

He sounds like such a *****.

"Go on our website. I know you do often." Like, bitter that he doesn't think she supports him:huh:

I'm getting a reallllly bitter vibe towards the media from the entire McCain Camp ever since they started getting called out for their lies and for their obvious attempts at manipulating the press.

jag

[kainedamo]

What do McCain supporters think of that clip?

He came across as testy and bitter at the media.

"I know you're a supporter of Obama"

"Check out my website, I know you often do".

Jesus.

[souvlaki]

I'm getting a reallllly bitter vibe towards the media from the entire McCain Camp ever since they started getting called out for their lies and for their obvious attempts at manipulating the press.

jag

I am anxiously awaiting the day he has a complete meltdown on camera. At this rate I give it a week.

[DorkyFresh]

Nothing there.:csad:

sorry bout that.....fixed.

[Superman]

Has anyone mentioned McCain's appearance on Morning Joe this morning? He basically lost his temper and more or less attacked Joe Scarbourough's co-host.

There are a few video highlights as well as a transcript of some of the more interesting exchanges here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/mccain-gets-testy-on-morn_n_126773.html
Can someone, Anyone who supports McCain tell me what the hell does town all meetings have to do with McCain lying about Obama?

"if you would urge him to come and do town all meetings with me as I have asked him to do time after time the whole tenor of the campaign would change."


So if Obama does these town all meetings McCain will stop lying about Obama?

What the hell?:huh:

[souvlaki]

Can someone, Anyone who supports McCain tell me what the hell does town all meetings have to do with McCain lying about Obama?



So if Obama does these town all meetings McCain will stop lying about Obama?

What the hell?:huh:

Yeah, wtf? His obsession with bringing this up is really starting to become irritating. What a whiner.

[DorkyFresh]

it's the only thing he has on Obama. he's basically saying "Obama doesn't have the balls to go one on one with me!"



i agree....it's irritating and he should let it go. it shows very much that McCain is still stuck in the past.

[ShadowBoxing]

On a side note (because who really wants to talk about McCain?)...I'd just like to say, I can't wait for this election to be over so posters like Souvlaki, LightningStrykez!, rdh, and Jman will love me again :csad:
We love you too much to let you vote McCain:oldrazz:.

[Marx]

Matt, your bias is really showing through lately. You'd be having a hissy fit if this was Obama.

You can still be critical of the candidate you're voting for. Trust me on that one! :cwink:

[souvlaki]

On a side note (because who really wants to talk about McCain?)...I'd just like to say, I can't wait for this election to be over so posters like Souvlaki, LightningStrykez!, rdh, and Jman will love me again :csad:

I still love ya Matt!

[souvlaki]

You can still be critical of the candidate you're voting for. Trust me on that one! :cwink:

Honestly I had no clue Matt decided to vote for Obama. In retrospect I realize my comment was a little harsh, and after he explained where he was coming from I realized why he felt that way even if I don't necessarily agree.

[Gilpesh]

Yeah, wtf? His obsession with bringing this up is really starting to become irritating. What a whiner.

Seriously... McCain is the one that shot down Obama's counter-offer of debates.

:whatever:

[souvlaki]

Seriously... McCain is the one that shot down Obama's counter-offer of debates.

:whatever:

I really wish Obama would bring that up. If it were any other politician I'd say all Obama needs to do is mention this and McCain would shut up about it... but given that it's McCain I doubt it.

[Carcharodon]

Obama is doing the right thing: let McCain's camp yell until they're blue in the face, while sitting back and letting McCain and Palin tear their own campaigns apart. Obama doesn't even have to do anything, except to respond sparingly in ways that further weaken the McCain camp.

The less noise Obama makes, the less opportunity there is for his words to be distorted...by anyone.

It's really brilliant, especially on the media front. He's taken his harshest media critic, Fox, and turned its fire onto McCain after otherwise starving them of Obama stories.

By speaking only every once in a while, he also doesn't appear as weak as he would saying nothing at all.

[souvlaki]

So... McCain is so knowledgeable about the economy that he repeatedly called to the SIPC the "****" today, and referred to it as "regulator" (which it's not).

[jaguarr]

Honestly I had no clue Matt decided to vote for Obama. In retrospect I realize my comment was a little harsh, and after he explained where he was coming from I realized why he felt that way even if I don't necessarily agree.

There are 50 days to the election. Matt will change his mind many times between now and election day.

jag

[lazur]

John McCain co-sponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, which the democrats shot down.

Read it for yourself, if you dare. It actually names Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as those companies requiring additional regulation in order to avoid economic problems.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-190

Charles Hagel sponsored it along with three co-sponsors, all Republican (McCain being one of them).

[jaguarr]

John McCain co-sponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, which the democrats shot down.

Read it for yourself, if you dare. It actually names Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as those companies requiring additional regulation in order to avoid economic problems.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-190

Charles Hagel sponsored it along with three co-sponsors, all Republican (McCain being one of them).

McCain also has an extensive history of deregulation, so is this like his exception piece?

jag

[jaguarr]

So... McCain is so knowledgeable about the economy that he repeatedly called to the SIPC the "****" today, and referred to it as "regulator" (which it's not).

Ugh. *shakes head*

jag

[lazur]

McCain also has an extensive history of deregulation, so is this like his exception piece?

jag

I don't think you can just say the words 'deregulation' or 'regulation' without getting very specific. Some things need to be regulated and some things don't. It's highly circumstantial.

[jaguarr]

I don't think you can just say the words 'deregulation' or 'regulation' without getting very specific. Some things need to be regulated and some things don't. It's highly circumstantial.

McCain has an extensive history of deregulation.

jag

[lazur]

McCain has an extensive history of deregulation.

jag

Okay, okay, I'll bite - such as?

[jaguarr]

Okay, okay, I'll bite - such as?

www.google.com

Have a good time. :)

jag

[Marx]

www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

Have a good time. :)

jag

:hehe:

[souvlaki]

Okay, okay, I'll bite - such as?

"I am fundamentally a deregulator. I'd like to see a lot of the unnecessary government regulations eliminated."

-Sen. John McCain
March 3, 2008
Source: Wall Street Journal

[jaguarr]

"I am fundamentally a deregulator. I'd like to see a lot of the unnecessary government regulations eliminated."

-Sen. John McCain
March 3, 2008
Source: Wall Street Journal

Here, I'll help out with a few keywords: "insurance", "wall street", "sub prime mortgage", "broadband", "savings and loan", "energy", "enron", "keating five".

jag

[rdh007]

"I am fundamentally a deregulator. I'd like to see a lot of the unnecessary government regulations eliminated."

-Sen. John McCain
March 3, 2008
Source: Wall Street Journal

Ahhhh, but that's 2008 John McCain. Not the one with a spine.

[ShadowBoxing]

Okay, okay, I'll bite - such as?
1999 Gramm Deregulation Act - McCain votes yes and Biden votes no.
Keating five
Consumer Broadband Deregulation Act of 2002
Supporter of Net Neutrality
Family and Consumer Choice Act of 2007
In the 1980s McCain was involved in deregulation of the savings and loan industry
Known as "The Deregulation Hawk"
Connected to the Enron loophole in 2000
Connected to repealing the Glass-Steagal Act.
Has said he will make Phil Gramm Treasury Secretary
Currently pushing a platform to deregulate health care.

[The Senator]

Ahhhh, but that's 2008 John McCain. Not the one with a spine.

He still has a spine.

It's just been crippled with age.

[jaguarr]

He still has a spine.

It's just been crippled with age.

He's also not allowed control of his spine anymore. I think Rick Davis has that responsibility, now.

jag

[Superman]

"I am fundamentally a deregulator. I'd like to see a lot of the unnecessary government regulations eliminated."

-Sen. John McCain
March 3, 2008
Source: Wall Street JournalAm I hearing this right? First McCain puts down all the regulatory agencies that his party tried to get rid of and then he turns around and says that he will protect us with "Comprehensive Regulations".

In other words "Regulatory Agencies", Right? :huh:

XhcCchjeYm4

Did he just flip flop in the span of 10 seconds?

[danoyse]

So I love that McCain is griping about Obama's fundraiser starring Barbra Streisand, but McCain himself also had a fundraiser on Monday night with wealthy donors:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD93876180

McCain groused about Obama mixing it up with celebrities. He told a rally in Vienna, Ohio on Tuesday that Obama "talks about siding with the people, siding with the people just before he flies off to Hollywood for a fundraiser with Barbra Streisand and his celebrity friends. Let me tell you my friends, there's no place I'd rather be than here with the working men and women of Ohio."

A night earlier, McCain was with deep-pocketed donors in Florida and raised $5 million, a fact noted by Obama's campaign.

"I don't know who showed up down in Florida where he raised $5 million but my guess is that it wasn't a lot of nurses, firefighters and police officers," Obama's senior strategist, David Axelrod, told reporters. "The whole corporate lobbying community is rallying to his side. We're going to have to struggle to keep pace. You can't challenge that group and not expect them to have a lot of money."

[The Senator]

It is the same ridiculous hypocritical "celebrity" argument being thrown about. John McCain is really starting to grasp for straws here, picking up whatever mud he can find so he can throw it at his opponent, regardless of the fact that he himself has partaken in the same nonsense. Meanwhile, there's barely a mention of the economic catastrophes facing this country, as McCain is too focused on throwing inane slogans at his opponent, claiming to have helped invent technology he apparently doesn't know how to use, and defending his running mate against non-existent 'sexist attacks.' Yeah, this really is a candidate focused on the issues facing average Americans. :whatever:

[Marx]

It is the same ridiculous hypocritical "celebrity" argument being thrown about. John McCain is really starting to grasp for straws here, picking up whatever mud he can find so he can throw it at his opponent, regardless of the fact that he himself has partaken in the same nonsense. Meanwhile, there's barely a mention of the economic catastrophes facing this country, as McCain is too focused on throwing inane slogans at his opponent, claiming to have helped invent technology he apparently doesn't know how to use, and defending his running mate against non-existent 'sexist attacks.' Yeah, this really is a candidate focused on the issues facing average Americans. :whatever:

John McCain and Sarah Palin cannot talk about the issues if they want to promote themselves as reformers and 'change makers'. Their standing on the issues conflicts with the message they are trying to project.

[souvlaki]

So I love that McCain is griping about Obama's fundraiser starring Barbra Streisand, but McCain himself also had a fundraiser on Monday night with wealthy donors:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD93876180

Oh Jesus. This man is just plain absurd now. Is he trying to sabotage his own campaign?

[AndrewGilkison]

I hope McCain tries to hit Obama with that during the upcoming Debate, than all Obama has to do is hit McCain with his own fundraiser and say "Those who live in seven glass houses... "

[souvlaki]

I hope McCain tries to hit Obama with that during the upcoming Debate, than all Obama has to do is hit McCain with his own fundraiser and say "Those who live in seven glass houses... "

I am really hoping McCain tries bring up the whole town hall meetings thing during a debate. All Obama has to do is say he made a reasonable counter-offer and McCain refused. There are so many traps McCain can easily fall into during that debate if he keeps making these ridiculous claims.

[souvlaki]

For that matter, if McCain were to try and bring up the town hall thing as a reason for those ridiculous campaign ads Obama could own him so majorly during a debate.

[rdh007]

So I love that McCain is griping about Obama's fundraiser starring Barbra Streisand, but McCain himself also had a fundraiser on Monday night with wealthy donors:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD93876180

Reminds me of the 30 Rock where Jack tries to find Republican celebrities and can't.

[lazur]

1999 Gramm Deregulation Act - McCain votes yes and Biden votes no.
Keating five
Consumer Broadband Deregulation Act of 2002
Supporter of Net Neutrality
Family and Consumer Choice Act of 2007
In the 1980s McCain was involved in deregulation of the savings and loan industry
Known as "The Deregulation Hawk"
Connected to the Enron loophole in 2000
Connected to repealing the Glass-Steagal Act.
Has said he will make Phil Gramm Treasury Secretary
Currently pushing a platform to deregulate health care.

That says nothing about WHY deregulating is bad. What of those items do you consider unacceptable, and why? Also, did you check every one of them like the first one to see if the dems weren't on board?

[lazur]

For that matter, if McCain were to try and bring up the town hall thing as a reason for those ridiculous campaign ads Obama could own him so majorly during a debate.

Obama can 'own' McCain in a debate? LOL are you serious? How can you come to that conclusion when they haven't debated yet?

[jaguarr]

Obama can 'own' McCain in a debate? LOL are you serious? How can you come to that conclusion when they haven't debated yet?

This is what McCain does with tough questions. Impressive.

AuseewBhzj0

I'd say Obama's chances in the debates are as good as John's. ;)

jag

[StrainedEyes]

This is what McCain does with tough questions. Impressive.

AuseewBhzj0

I'd say Obama's chances in the debates are as good as John's. ;)

jag

Classic McCain. He really should have changed his slogan to "I don't have enough information, I'll look into it and get back to you tomorrow."

[souvlaki]

Obama can 'own' McCain in a debate? LOL are you serious? How can you come to that conclusion when they haven't debated yet?

Are you trying to say that McCain can possibly bring up Obama not agreeing to town hall meetings as a reason for putting out nasty television ads during a debate and not look like a complete idiot? Maybe you can explain to me logically how not agreeing to town hall meetings gives McCain justification to put out the nasty ads he's put out recently? For that matter, how are those two things even connected? And if you do manage to give me a good reason, congratulations, you are smarter than the McCain campaign.

[Excel]

Obama can 'own' McCain in a debate? LOL are you serious? How can you come to that conclusion when they haven't debated yet?

McCain: "I dont know were you got that quote from-"
Russert: "Ill tell you where its from its from JOHN MCCAIN"

:hehe:

[jaguarr]

McCain: "I dont know were you got that quote from-"
Russert: "Ill tell you where its from its from JOHN MCCAIN"

:hehe:

I miss Tim Russert. His face after he reads this quote to McCain is absolutely priceless. You can almost HEAR him thinking "Oh, man. I set this jackass up good!"

Ajm5JTf7jZs

I was reading an article about Russert's son, Luke. I guess he's following right in his dad's footsteps at the young age of 23. MSNBC has him covering the youth vote for the election.

jag

[jaguarr]

This made me laugh. McCain tries to shake his own wife's hand at a rally. As it's leading up to the moment, I just laughed harder and harder waiting for what I knew was coming.

6wD0Gf9w5DA

It was a pretty honest mistake for anyone to make. He looks so damn confused when it happens, though.

jag

[Raiden]

From MSN:

*** When surrogates screw up: McCain’s top two economic surrogates had a tough day yesterday. First, Douglas Holtz-Eakin -- in a response to reporters’ questions about what McCain did at the Senate Commerce Committee to understand how markets work -- whipped out his BlackBerry. "He did this," he replied. “Telecommunications of the United States is a premier innovation in the past 15 years, comes right through the Commerce committee so you're looking at the miracle John McCain helped create and that's what he did." That produced a slew of McCain-invented-the-BlackBerry jokes. Next, Carly Fiorina answered “no” to a question in a radio interview whether Palin has the experience to run a corporation like Hewlett-Packard. In a later interview with Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC, Fiorina said that none of the candidates was qualifed. "Well, I don't think John McCain could run a major corporation; I don't think Barack Obama could run a major corporation; I don't think Joe Biden could run a major corporation.” The Obama camp immediately pounced. “If John McCain’s top economic advisor doesn’t think he can run a corporation, how on Earth can he run the largest economy in the world in the midst of a financial crisis?" Ouch.

[jaguarr]

Awwww....between Fiorina's "CEO" gaffe and her slamming the idea that insurance companies pay for Viagra but aren't required to pay for birth control (a message decidedly not in step with the McCain Campaign), it seems she's fallen out of favor:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/siliconforest/2008/09/fiorina_mccain_not_qualified_t.html

Fiorina: McCain not qualified to run HP
Posted by The Silicon Forest Blog September 17, 2008 10:13AM
Categories: HP
AP file photoImpolitic
My colleague Jeff Mapes points out this CNN item on Carly Fiorina, who had this take on what's required to run a big company like HP:

Asked by a St. Louis radio station whether she thought Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin could run a company like Hewlett-Packard, Fiorina responded: "No, I don't.

"But that's not what she's running for. Running a corporation is a different set of things."

Asked about that remark on MSNBC, she made the same unprompted assessment of the GOP presidential nominee. "I don't think John McCain could run a major corporation."

She also said she did not believe Democrats Barack Obama or Joe Biden had the right business background either.

The instinctive rejoinder, of course, is to ask how Fiorina knows what it takes to run a big company. (Though, in fairness, her controversial tenure at HP is much better thought of now than at the time she left.)

CNN's take, via anonymous sources, is that the McCain campaign is very unhappy with Fiorina's remarks and will be shutting her down as one of the candidate's chief economic spokesfolk.

Woulda been interesting to follow up with a question for Fiorina on whether coming from the corporate world qualifies one to be a politician -- as she has certainly become, in all but name.


Let her talk, John, you big sexist! :funny:

jag

[danoyse]

From the Anchorage Daily News yesterday. This is exactly how I feel about McCain:

McCain chooses ambition over the welfare of the nation

ELISE PATKOTAK
COMMENT

Published: September 16th, 2008 10:52 PM
Last Modified: September 16th, 2008 11:31 PM

There was a time when I thought John McCain really was a different kind of politician, one who would put his country above his personal desire for grandeur. I stopped thinking that the day he announced Sarah Palin as his running mate. The sheer hubris that went into that selection simply takes my breath away.

Sarah Palin is untested and untried. There were dozens of other people much more qualified to be McCain's running mate who would not have caused people to question how ready they'd be to take over if something happened to McCain. To my mind, it's fairly clear that the only reason McCain chose Palin was because she brought in a demographic he desperately needed -- the right wing, conservative Christian base of Republicans voters who view McCain with distrust and distaste.

So basically McCain decided that getting elected was more important than making sure he had someone on his ticket who could successfully run our nation should something happen to him. He chose his ambition over the welfare of his country. Karl Rove lives on in McCain's cynical and calculated choice -- me first, the Republican party second and America a distant third.

I watched the Republican convention with great bemusement as the speakers took their turns laying out the party's vision for America. As best I could tell they believed you had to come from a small town to have any morality. If you dared to get down in the street and work to make life better for us common folk, then you were some kind of fool to be mocked.

I looked at the people speaking at the Republican Convention, from Mitt Romney to John (I-don't-know-how-many-houses-I-own) McCain and wondered how they could keep a straight face while claiming that Barack Obama is some sort of elitist. I looked at Giuliani who probably can't remember how many wives he's had, to McCain who has had his fair share, and wondered where the Christian right moralists are and why they aren't railing against these people. I looked at the young man standing on the stage with the Palins accepting applause and wondered what he was being applauded for -- dropping out of school or getting a 17-year-old pregnant?

But mostly I wondered if it had been Chelsea Clinton standing on the stage at the Democratic Convention pregnant and unwed, just how many hysterical fits Rush Limbaugh and the conservative Christian media would have had in denouncing her and her family's lax morals.

Yeah, I'm mad now. I'm mad because I truly thought McCain would run a campaign that did not cater to our basest instincts and the lowest common denominator but would engage Obama is a real exchange of ideas on the problems America faces. And these problems have nothing to do with sex ed in schools or being pro- or anti-choice or who you are allowed to marry. None of those issues has hurt America as much as the philosophy emanating from Washington D.C. that gives to those who have and suggests the rest of us eat cake.

We have people entering the winter wondering if they will be able to pay their heating bill and mortgage in the same month; we have people who get needlessly seriously ill because they have no access to health care; we have a tanking economy and a war that continues to drain our resources while adding trillions of dollars in future debt for our children to pay. If you want immoral, those conditions are the very definition of it.

But instead of an honest discussion of these issues, McCain makes a cynical choice for VP and then announces he and Sarah represent the party of change. Well, you know what, his party has been in charge for six of the past eight years. So I have to wonder why they waited until things got so bad to decide change was needed. And I have to wonder why McCain is so desperate to avoid a discussion of the real issues that instead he brings back the ghosts of elections past that so divided us in the first place.

I once thought John McCain was an honorable man who would try to make a difference. I don't think that any longer.

[jaguarr]

From the Anchorage Daily News yesterday. This is exactly how I feel about McCain:

Ouch. That's a pretty scathing article. Not the first true conservative I've heard come out against McCain lately, though. I think the negative backlash of McCain's campaign tactics are coming back home to collect.

jag

[jaguarr]

From the Anchorage Daily News yesterday. This is exactly how I feel about McCain:

Ouch. That's a pretty scathing article. Not the first true conservative I've heard come out against McCain lately, though. I think the negative backlash of McCain's campaign tactics are coming back home to collect.

jag