The McCain Thread

[UA-Archangel]

Again, I live on a grid where wind power supplies a decent percentage of our energy. My parents make less than $75k combined, yet they can afford it. The price, on American grids, will not fluctuate dramatically.

Not to mention, shouldn't you be arguing that clean coal will be expensive since we will need to create new clean coal processing plants? :huh:

It doesn't necessarily mean new coal processing plants. Technology can be adapted to retrofit existing plants.

However, even if it meant brand new power plants, it would still be cheaper than new windfarms, both in terms of the plants themselves and usage.

[UA-Archangel]

I know how we could afford all those nuclear plants.

-Stop funding the war in Iraq
-Stop tax cuts for the wealthiest 10% of Americans; tax the wealthiest 5% and corporations more
-Cut the size of the Departments of Education, Interior, and Homeland Security by at least 1/2
-Stop paying private contractors to do our dirty work in Iraq and Afghanistan
-Stop building detainment facilities we haven't even used
-Stop trying to fund provocative defense systems, such as the multi-billion dollar missile shield in Poland

But naturally... McCain doesn't support any of that.

You could tax the wealthiest 10% of Americans at the rate of 100% of their income and it still wouldn't meet even a small fraction of the income needed for government expenditures.

Not to mention that by overtaxation, you give the most able in our society to simply pack their bags and leave, taking their income with them as much as possible.

[UA-Archangel]

BTW about the coal issue, I think it'd be another temporary solution. Even if we did invest money and go hardcore into it, it'd just turn out like oil is now. It may cost more, but unless we just bite the bullet and start investing into long term solutions, we're going to be stuck in a rut forever. We'll never move along, we'll just go from one crisis to the next as long as we keep depending on whatever is cheapest at the moment rather than what's better in the long run.

I mean if 30 years ago we looked into alternative energies we wouldn't be in the trouble we are now. Don't you think it would be better to look back 30 years from now and think, "Glad we used the oil crisis to finally convince ourselves to switch", rather than being in a similar state to what we are now. The harder road may be more expensive now, but in the long run we'll thank ourselves. IMO it's time to stop looking for instant gratification and quick solutions and future proof ourselves.

The estimated amount of coal in North America, based on current usage is hundreds of years worth.

Not only can it play a good stop-gap measure, but it can also buy a lot of time for those alternative technologies to be perfected.

[UA-Archangel]

He did? That may explain the reason why his party in the House decided to vote against the bill.

My understanding, at the moment, is that the Dems tried to slide to many of their earmarks onto the bill.

I could be wrong, but that is what I heard on the news.

[Superman4ever]

McCain takes credit for bill before it loses

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and his top aides took credit for building a winning bailout coalition – hours before the vote failed and stocks tanked.

Shortly before the vote, McCain had bragged about his involvement and mocked Sen. Barack Obama for staying on the sidelines.

“I've never been afraid of stepping in to solve problems for the American people, and I'm not going to stop now,” McCain told a rally in Columbus, Ohio. “Sen. Obama took a very different approach to the crisis our country faced. At first he didn't want to get involved. Then he was monitoring the situation.”
McCain, grinning, flashed a sarcastic thumbs up.

“That's not leadership. That's watching from the sidelines,” he added to cheers and applause.

Doug Holtz-Eakin, McCain's senior policy adviser, told reporters on a conference call that McCain "dedicated the past week" to addressing the problem but made "a conscious decision not to attract attention to John McCain."

"He's made dozens of calls," Holtz-Eakin said.

Asked if McCain bears any responsibility for the bill's failure, Holtz-Eakin said McCain "improved it greatly — took the lead in the need for taxpayer protections."

Making a similar point earlier on MSNBC, Holtz-Eakin said McCain deliberately "kept a low profile."

"John McCain understands that had he looked like he was going to be the key to the success, that Democrats would attack him and kill the deal," Holtz-Eakin said. "That's what you saw today. They were not going to let John McCain do the job that he was trying to do: deliver a bill that would help the American people."

"John McCain understood that had he kept a low profile, talked with members of Congress as he did, asked them where they were in their votes, called those members who were reluctant. He was doing his job, and doing it with a low profile [that was] necessary," Holtz-Eakin added.

Holtz-Eakin told MSNBC that Obama was "phoning it in" instead of working hard on a rescue. "Where was Barack Obama for today?" Holtz-Eakin said. "He's phoning it in — phoning it in — one more time."

McCain initially had been modest about his role. On Sunday, he said on ABC’s “This Week” that congressional negotiators deserve “great credit” for the bipartisan deal. “"It wasn’t because of me,” McCain said. “They did it themselves.”

But at almost the same time, McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt was saying on NBC’s “Meet the Press”: “What Sen. McCain was able to do … was to help get all of the parties to the table. There had been announcements by Senate leaders saying that a deal had been reached earlier in the week. There were no votes for that deal.

“Sen. McCain knew time was short and he came back, he listened and he helped put together the framework of getting everybody to the table, which was necessary to produce a package to avoid a financial catastrophe for this country.”

On Monday morning, McCain campaign communications director Jill Hazelbaker said on Fox News that the deal would not have happened “without Sen. McCain.”

“Sen. McCain interrupted his campaign, suspended his campaign activity to come back to Washington to get Republicans around a table,” Hazelbaker said. “Without Sen. McCain, House Republicans would not have appointed a negotiator, which would not have moved this bill forward.

“It’s really Sen. McCain who got all parties around a table to hammer out a deal that hopefully is in the best interests of the American taxpayer.”


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14088.html

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't know why anyone is working on the assumption that ANYTHING you are told by the lamestream media about Obama is accurate - including all those polls that purportedly show him "ahead". The media is notorious for ignoring the vast majority of Americans while concentrating on the "beautiful people" and the "chattering classes". I feel that in today's dangerous world, the right minded American voter would go for the more trustworthy and experienced candidate; and despite the attempts of the the media to hide and/or play them down.
Gallup, Rassmusen, Quinnipac, Hotline, 207towin, and all of those polls you read about aren't connected to media outlets. They're independent organizations. They are hardly concentrating on "beautiful people". In fact many criticize them for omitting youth voters and voters more likely to use cellphones than landlines, computers than regular mail. Those are the organizations placing Obama ahead right now. CNN, Fox News, etc...all they're polls have been painting a much closer race than what appears in reality.

[Marx]

I don't argue, for the sake of arguing.

If my opponent has brought up a good point that doesn't contravene anything I have to say, I don't challenge it.

Could've fooled me.

[metr0man]

Personally, I'm extremely impressed with John McCain's health care plan

http://www.youtube.com/v/xfxjL-YjT6U&hl=en&fs=1

[The Senator]

It doesn't necessarily mean new coal processing plants. Technology can be adapted to retrofit existing plants.

However, even if it meant brand new power plants, it would still be cheaper than new windfarms, both in terms of the plants themselves and usage.

Yet you CONTINUE to IGNORE the points I made, that clean coal technology is both detrimental to the environment and not cost effective enough for us to even consider implementing it. The costs will outweigh the benefits; for every clean coal operation we set up, that's one geothermal plant we could have set up, or one new windfarm, or one new solar plant, or perhaps even one more nuclear plant. There are several clean energies we MUST implement, instead of relying on the same-old environmentally degrading energy sources.

[Superman]

My understanding, at the moment, is that the Dems tried to slide to many of their earmarks onto the bill.

I could be wrong, but that is what I heard on the news.On what news? Fox? :whatever:

[Marx]

MCCAIN: NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR BLAME...BUT I BLAME OBAMA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/mccains-mixed-messages_n_130376.html

[The Senator]

MCCAIN: NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR BLAME...BUT I BLAME OBAMA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/mccains-mixed-messages_n_130376.html

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, because Obama is in the House of Representatives :whatever:

[Knives]

MCCAIN: NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR BLAME...BUT I BLAME OBAMA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/mccains-mixed-messages_n_130376.html

His utter stupidity has reached levels that are beyond comedic. I can't even laugh anymore. I just sit there, with a blank expression on my face.

[DorkyFresh]

McCain willing to suspend campaign again...

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[StrainedEyes]

McCain just needs to stay out of it.

[Matt]

You'd think he'd of learned from how ridiculous he looked on the first "suspension,"

[Raiden]

You'd think he'd of learned from how ridiculous he looked on the first "suspension,"

I'm sure his second "suspension" will be just like the first, where he conducted interviews, appear on TV shows, and run ads against Obama.

[jaguarr]

LMAO! Yes, suspend your campaign again by all means, John. Suspending your campaign only means saying that's what you're doing in the media but continuing all your regularly scheduled campaign stops, interviews and ads. :hehe:

jag

[Superman]

What kills me is that there are Republicans going around the news networks right now saying that it was McCain who "Helped kill this "BAD BILL" in his meeting at the White House". :whatever:

[Marx]

McCain willing to suspend campaign again...

KsKfMuENxhY

He's so full of ****! :cmad:

Has he forgotten how successful all of his 'ride into Washington with a chorus of trumpets' help was the last time?

This man just continues to p*** me off! :cmad:

[Marx]

What kills me is that there are Republicans going around the news networks right now saying that it was McCain who "Helped kill this "BAD BILL" in his meeting at the White House". :whatever:

Yes...let's all just IGNORE THE FACT that he was taking credit for this bill BEFORE IT FAILED! :cmad:

[Whirlysplat]

This man just continues to p*** me off! :cmad:

Think how you'll feel when he wins.

:woot:

[Hobgoblin]

I'm sure his second "suspension" will be just like the first, where he conducted interviews, appear on TV shows, and run ads against Obama.

And cancel on Letterman shortly before going on, saying he had to go vote. Instead he goes to Couric. :cmad:

Strangest damn campaign ever.

[DorkyFresh]

John McCain: Economic Disaster

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[StrainedEyes]

Conservative university could swing Virginia
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/30/conservative.liberty.university/index.html

(UWIRE) -- The commonwealth of Virginia has traditionally been a Republican stronghold -- the last time a Democratic presidential candidate won the state was in 1964.

But with recent polls showing Sen. John McCain only slightly ahead of Sen. Barack Obama, Virginia remains up for grabs. And the last two statewide offices -- for governor and U.S. senator -- have been won by Democrats.

Given the close nature of the presidential race, Jerry Falwell, Jr., chancellor of Liberty University, recently launched an ambitious effort to register all 10,500 eligible student voters at the fundamental Baptist institution in Lynchburg, Virginia.

Falwell kicked off the voter registration drive September 22, urging students -- including those from out-of-state -- to register locally.

"Liberty students have never been permitted to register locally in the past. The recent change in election law is giving Liberty University the chance to make history," Falwell stated in an e-mail addressed to faculty and staff. "Liberty University's 11,000 students and 4,000 faculty and staff could cause Liberty to become known as the university that elected a president!"

Since the announcement of the registration campaign, students have been offered voter registration forms by resident advisers during residence hall meetings and by professors during class. Jonathan Woods, a junior at Liberty and resident adviser, said he and fellow RAs were instructed to educate their residents about registering to vote during a regular RA meeting.

"That night, in our hall meetings, we had to explain that it's a good and unique opportunity," Woods said, "because not too long ago they [out-of-state students] weren't able to register in Virginia."

"It's definitely been pushed to vote," Rowe said, "especially to vote locally." Rowe noted, however, that he still plans to vote in Pennsylvania by absentee ballot.

"Pennsylvania is a swing state, too," he said.

In addition to the increased availability of voter registration forms, classes will be canceled on Election Day, and buses will be available to shuttle students to the polls.

"It's a major election -- they really want students to vote," Liberty freshman Bethany Hernandez said. "Some teachers are giving extra credit if you register to vote."

Falwell's belief that Liberty could impact the outcome of Virginia's election may seem like wishful thinking, but Virginia's 2006 U.S. Senate race was decided by slightly less than 10,000 votes.

"The majority of Liberty students want McCain to win," Woods said. "If you have a few thousand people voting for one candidate, who weren't [initially] voting in Virginia, it could possibly make a difference."

Ashley Barbera, communications director of the College Republicans National Committee, said college students have the potential to significantly impact the outcome of this election.

"I think you're going to see young voters and young activists playing a very important and crucial role," Barbera said, noting that many of the swing states, such as Virginia and Ohio, are home to a number of large universities.

"They're states where College Republicans federations are really stepping up to the plate," Barbera said.

Though the College Republicans National Committee is not working specifically with Liberty University's administration, Barbera said Liberty's voter registration efforts are consistent with College Republicans' national mission.

"Virginia is obviously a swing state, and the polls are showing how close that state is on a day-to-day basis," Barbera said. "If you could get potentially an extra thousand votes there, that could swing a state and that could determine an election."

Though Falwell may believe Liberty students can help to secure Virginia for McCain, College Democrats of America President Katie Naranjo is not worried.

"I feel very comfortable that young people will sway the vote in Virginia," Naranjo said, "and it will be a victory for Senator Obama."

Naranjo, referencing recent national polls showing Obama ahead by a few percentage points, suggested, "Maybe that's why Liberty is scared."

Jared Leopold, communications director for the Democratic Party of Virginia's Coordinated Campaign, said the Democratic Party of Virginia encourages all efforts to reach out to college students.

"This is a historic election," Leopold said. "For many young people this will be the first election they'll participate in. We encourage all college students to get registered." Though a majority of the students registered at Liberty will be voting for McCain, Leopold is not concerned.

"We've seen a lot of college students register across the state," Leopold said. "We're confident that a large majority of college students and young people will side with Barack Obama and the democratic ticket."

Regardless of whether Liberty voters affect the outcome of this election, Hernandez said the voter registration drive might just be the beginning of Liberty University's political influence.

"It could be a starting point. Maybe it won't change anything this time, but in the future," she said. "If the school keeps up the initiative, even just one little change is probably going to affect the future."

[Marx]

MCCAIN TAKES HIT FROM BAILOUT COLLAPSE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/30/bailout.candidates/index.html

[Lightning Strykez!]

^ Knew that was coming. :dry:

But that's what he gets for trying to ride in to town on a white horse. :down

[Matt]

I love how McCain has so many plans, but is keeping them all to himself until he is president. It kinda creates the illusion of him dangling all the solutions to our country's problems over our head saying "Vote for me or you'll be sorry." Certainly not putting country first.

[Gilpesh]

Certainly not putting country first.

Ditto. Especially since admitting in 2002 that his whole attempt in 2000 was because it had become his ambition to be president and not making the country better... which changed since then of course :dry:

[Lightning Strykez!]

John is making all of these stupid mistakes and gaffes because he is simply stressed out and exhausted. I mean, COME ON: the man is ELDERLY and this campaign has GOT to be taking a terrible toll on him mentally. And this is not even an inkling of the kind of pressure he'd be under as POTUS.

On the other hand, it's possible that Letterman was right: somebody MUST be putting something in John's Metamucil too. Because he just likened Sarah Palin to Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan.

That must be the best crack that money can buy.

[Whirlysplat]

John is making all of these stupid mistakes and gaffes because he is simply stressed out and exhausted. I mean, COME ON: the man is ELDERLY and this campaign has GOT to be taking a terrible toll on him mentally. And this is not even an inkling of the kind of pressure he'd be under as POTUS.

On the other hand, it's possible that Letterman was right: somebody MUST be putting something in John's Metamucil too. Because he just likened Sarah Palin to Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan.

That must be the best crack that money can buy.

Excellent post LS. I think the wisdom his age brings certainly will offset any stamina issues when he is voted in.

[DorkyFresh]

there's a difference between age bringing wisdom and age bringing delusion. McCain clearly falls into the latter.

[Goddessreicho]

So how many flip-flops in the last week? Does it measure up to his combined ownage of cars and houses?

[Whirlysplat]

there's a difference between age bringing wisdom and age bringing delusion. McCain clearly falls into the latter.

In your opinion as a Obama supporter and Liberal. Again it is not clear to those that will vote for him or do not hold your liberal values.

[jaguarr]

MCCAIN TAKES HIT FROM BAILOUT COLLAPSE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/30/bailout.candidates/index.html

Ultimate fail.

I love how McCain has so many plans, but is keeping them all to himself until he is president. It kinda creates the illusion of him dangling all the solutions to our country's problems over our head saying "Vote for me or you'll be sorry." Certainly not putting country first.

He almost reminds me of Kaa from the Jungle Book singing "Trust In Me" only his eyes really aren't all that hypnotic. Maybe it's because he blinks 4000 times a minute. Even Palin said "We must not blink" and whenever I see McCain in interviews or on TV, he's blinking like a mofo.

jag

[DorkyFresh]

In your opinion as a Obama supporter and Liberal. Again it is not clear to those that will vote for him or do not hold your liberal values.

:sleepy:

thank you captain obvious.

[Hobgoblin]

I love how McCain has so many plans, but is keeping them all to himself until he is president. It kinda creates the illusion of him dangling all the solutions to our country's problems over our head saying "Vote for me or you'll be sorry." Certainly not putting country first.

Sort of like Nixon's secret plan to win Vietnam.

[Whirlysplat]

:sleepy:

thank you captain obvious.

No problem. I will continue to point things like that out.

[jaguarr]

Sort of like Nixon's secret plan to win Vietnam.

McCain probably wrote that plan, seeing as how he knows how to win wars according to Palin. :hehe:

jag

[cryptic name]

So how many flip-flops in the last week? Does it measure up to his combined ownage of cars and houses?

this keeps popping up. did i miss the part where it's a bad thing to own more than one house or car? did that become a crime sometime while i was asleep?

[jaguarr]

this keeps popping up. did i miss the part where it's a bad thing to own more than one house or car? did that become a crime sometime while i was asleep?

Oh, it's not a bad thing or a crime to own more than one house or car. However, when you are trying to characterize yourself as a common man of the people who understands the common man's problems but you have so many houses and cars that you can't remember exactly how many you actually have, it sort of creates a credibility problem for you on the "common man" front. ;)

jag

[cryptic name]

Oh, it's not a bad thing or a crime to own more than one house or car. However, when you are trying to characterize yourself as a common man of the people who understands the common man's problems but you have so many houses and cars that you can't remember exactly how many you actually have, it sort of creates a credibility problem for you on the "common man" front. ;)

jag

isn't he involved in realestate speculation? wouldn't that account for not being sure how many houses are under your name?

[jaguarr]

isn't he involved in realestate speculation? wouldn't that account for not being sure how many houses are under your name?

I don't know about real estate speculation but he and his wife are rich as hell and own a lot of property.

jag

[Hobgoblin]

McCain probably wrote that plan, seeing as how he knows how to win wars according to Palin. :hehe:

jag

Come to think of it, McCain and Nixon have a lot in common. Both have tempers. Both (may) inherit an unpopular war. Both have enemies and whose big plan to win said war is more of the same, just more so. Both (may) beat a popular, charismatic Democratic opponent.

Lets hope 2008 doesnt equal 1968.

[Excel]

McCains collosal failure to rally his own party shows just how much they really "support" his ideas.

[jaguarr]

Come to think of it, McCain and Nixon have a lot in common. Both have tempers. Both (may) inherit an unpopular war. Both have enemies and whose big plan to win said war is more of the same, just more so. Both (may) beat a popular, charismatic Democratic opponent.

Lets hope 2008 doesnt equal 1968.

If McCain does somehow manage to win then I fully expect him to honor Nixon's tradition and get caught up in a horrible scandal that costs him his office. It would be nice if Palin was also caught up in it so she doesn't get to sit in the big chair as a result. Scratch that, I hope they both lose and fade away into obscurity.

jag

[Kelly]

Oh, it's not a bad thing or a crime to own more than one house or car. However, when you are trying to characterize yourself as a common man of the people who understands the common man's problems but you have so many houses and cars that you can't remember exactly how many you actually have, it sort of creates a credibility problem for you on the "common man" front. ;)

jag

My mom owned ALOT of real estate, from houses, to land....etc. I have no idea how many houses actually......and she was as down to earth as anyone that I've ever known. She didn't make her decisions based on the fact that she had multiple houses.

As far as McCain, it is his wife that owns most of those houses, and all of the cars except one.

So, I'm sorry, but there are other arguments as to why he shouldn't be president, and that IMO, is not one of them. Many would say that Gates has a "common man" mentality, he has worked hard to instill that into his kids.........so this IMO, is a silly argument on who is more "common man" than the other.

[Superman]

I love how McCain has so many plans, but is keeping them all to himself until he is president. It kinda creates the illusion of him dangling all the solutions to our country's problems over our head saying "Vote for me or you'll be sorry." Certainly not putting country first.
You sounds like Keith Olbermann when he talked about McCain in his 9/11TM Special Comment awhile back. He was talking about how McCain says he knows how to catch Bin Laden but wont say how till he's president.

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[Kelly]

McCains collosal failure to rally his own party shows just how much they really "support" his ideas.



OOOOORRRR.....those Republicans have extremely strong "fiscally conservative" mindsets and God couldn't have changed their minds.

BUT, in reality, you look at the Republicans AND Democrats that voted against the bill. They are not retiring, they are in battleground states and they want to keep their seats............:yay: THAT outweighs anything else.

[Schlosser85]

My mom owned ALOT of real estate, from houses, to land....etc. I have idea how many houses actually......and she was as down to earth as anyone that I've ever known. She didn't make her decisions based on the fact that she had multiple houses.

As far as McCain, it is his wife that owns most of those houses, and all of the cars except one.

So, I'm sorry, but there are other arguments as to why he shouldn't be president, and that IMO, is not one of them. Many would say that Gates has a "common man" mentality, he has worked hard to instill that into his kids.........so this IMO, is a silly argument on who is more "common man" than the other.


I agree. When Chris Rock was on Larry King, he said "vote for the man with one house, it's that simple". I think that's a pretty simplistic way of deciding an election. I don't like this whole "rich people are evil and poor and middle class people are pure as the driven snow" talk going on all the time. There are plenty of reasons, in my opinion, to dislike John McCain that are more relevant than how many cars and houses he owns.

[Whirlysplat]

I agree. When Chris Rock was on Larry King, he said "vote for the man with one house, it's that simple". I think that's a pretty simplistic way of deciding an election. I don't like this whole "rich people are evil and poor and middle class people are pure as the driven snow" talk going on all the time. There are plenty of reasons, in my opinion, to dislike John McCain that are more relevant than how many cars and houses he owns.

Absolutely true.

[jaguarr]

My mom owned ALOT of real estate, from houses, to land....etc. I have no idea how many houses actually......and she was as down to earth as anyone that I've ever known. She didn't make her decisions based on the fact that she had multiple houses.

As far as McCain, it is his wife that owns most of those houses, and all of the cars except one.

So, I'm sorry, but there are other arguments as to why he shouldn't be president, and that IMO, is not one of them. Many would say that Gates has a "common man" mentality, he has worked hard to instill that into his kids.........so this IMO, is a silly argument on who is more "common man" than the other.

Your mom's an elitist! :cmad:

:oldrazz:

Seriously, it's not that much of a deal to me, really. But I'm amazed at how many people I've heard where that house flap of McCain's is an issue to them because it seems hypocritical to them. I agree, there are A LOT of reasons to not vote for McCain besides this one. But it's still a valid issue to a lot of people like it or not.

jag

[Kelly]

Your mom's an elitist! :cmad:

:oldrazz:

Seriously, it's not that much of a deal to me, really. But I'm amazed at how many people I've heard where that house flap of McCain's is an issue to them because it seems hypocritical to them. I agree, there are A LOT of reasons to not vote for McCain besides this one. But it's still a valid issue to a lot of people like it or not.

jag

Perception IS people's truth many times, I agree........doesn't make that truth absolutely valid....:cwink:

[sinewave]

I think the wisdom his age brings certainly will offset any stamina issues when he is voted in.

In your opinion as a McCain supporter and conservative. Again it is not clear to those that will vote for him or do not hold your conservative values.

see what i did there?

[jaguarr]

Perception IS people's truth many times, I agree........doesn't make that truth absolutely valid....:cwink:

Problem with perception becoming people's truth is that it doesn't matter whether it's valid or not in the end, particularly when it has ramifications on other decisions.

jag

[Goddessreicho]

The homes and cars jokes float out because the McCain campaign has spent so much time and energy trying to paint liberals, high grades in college-education, the media, Obama, Biden, and their families as out-of-touch.

Where as how much the McCain family owns (whether through Cindy or not) is often downplayed and regarded as "pure American dream" instead of being privileged enough to take full advantage of a trust fund...

cause, you know that's totally middle America. That's something ALL American's have access to seven multi-million dollar real estate pieces and thirteen cars.

Who needs education that's easily accessible if you have the brains and hootzpah. Give me my Italian sportscar! NOW

[Whirlysplat]

In your opinion as a McCain supporter and conservative. Again it is not clear to those that will vote for him or do not hold your conservative values.

see what i did there?

Absolutely it is only my opinion. I agree and you at least seem to get that. People are entitled to opinions.

Moving on. I am withdrawing from these threads as the troll card has been played. I will not play the part of the victim. If people are really interested in arguing against an opinion differing from their own. I am prepared to continue over p.m. This is partially out of respect for Matts balanced and non biased dealings with me and secondly because now the troll card has been played I do not feel free to offer opinions and speak freely.

[sinewave]

Absolutely it is only my opinion. I agree and you at least seem to get that. People are entitled to opinions.

Moving on. I am withdrawing from these threads as the troll card has been played. I will not play the part of the victim. If people are really interested in arguing against an opinion differing from their own. I am prepared to continue over p.m. This is partially out of respect for Matts balanced and non biased dealings with me and secondly because now the troll card has been played I do not feel free to offer opinions and speak freely.

damn, i was looking forward to getting access to more of your "unique" views. oh well. stop by again soon.

[Whirlysplat]

damn, i was looking forward to getting access to more of your "unique" views. oh well. stop by again soon.

You have the ability to talk to me just p.m. me that's the last I will say on this subject. I hardly think any of the views I have given are original though. If you wish to argue for yourself you can find me easily through your p.m. button. Although I do often have many month absences from this board.

Carry On

[DorkyFresh]

McCain is getting oooolllllddd...he can't even remember what he said yesterday.

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either that or he's just a lying bastard who "just doesn't understand" that you can't deny something that you were caught on video doing.

[kainedamo]

It's weird McCain would say that concidering of of his newer ads seems very eager to blame the democrats and Obama...

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[ShadowBoxing]

Yes, Democrats blocked the reforms when they didn't have the power to do so....yep, that's what happened :rolleyes:.

[The Senator]

My mom owned ALOT of real estate, from houses, to land....etc. I have no idea how many houses actually......and she was as down to earth as anyone that I've ever known. She didn't make her decisions based on the fact that she had multiple houses.

As far as McCain, it is his wife that owns most of those houses, and all of the cars except one.

So, I'm sorry, but there are other arguments as to why he shouldn't be president, and that IMO, is not one of them. Many would say that Gates has a "common man" mentality, he has worked hard to instill that into his kids.........so this IMO, is a silly argument on who is more "common man" than the other.

The problem isn't that he owns 13 cars and 8 houses, it is the fact that he has been labeling Obama as an "elitist" and "out of touch" with most Americans. Which is interesting to me, considering Obama owns one home and two cars, which is exactly what my parents own, in addition to most of my middle class friends/ relatives.

Of course... we can totally go beyond that argument, and just say that McCain is out of touch with the middle class because he doesn't want to offer them tax cuts or relief, and would rather give tax cuts to major corporations and multi-millionaires than the average American. Since McCain is worth millions on his own... I can totally see why he would be opposed to that.

[danoyse]

The problem isn't that he owns 13 cars and 8 houses, it is the fact that he has been labeling Obama as an "elitist" and "out of touch" with most Americans. Which is interesting to me, considering Obama owns one home and two cars, which is exactly what my parents own, in addition to most of my middle class friends/ relatives.

I saw Palin do something similar on the CBS interview last week, when she was explaining to Katie Couric how she wasn't someone whose parents gave her a passport and a backpack and let them travel the world.

"Noooo," she said in this condescending voice. "I worked."

What the hell does that mean? People who get to travel don't work? I've had a passport for 10 years now, I've travelled overseas (just once, but I'm going again next week), and I work too. What's wrong with people who get the opportunity to travel?

I don't care how many houses John McCain owns. But don't go painting a guy born to a teenage mother who went on food stamps to support them, who went on to graduate 1st in his class from Harvard as an elitist if you can't even recall how many houses you own.

I grew up on the east coast, I've never lived more than 30 minutes outside NYC my entire life. I've worked in Manhattan for 12 years now. And I'm getting pretty sick of these conservatives treating us like we're these snobbish elitists because our way of life is different than theirs.

[Hobgoblin]

I saw Palin do something similar on the CBS interview last week, when she was explaining to Katie Couric how she wasn't someone whose parents gave her a passport and a backpack and let them travel the world.

"Noooo," she said in this condescending voice. "I worked."

What the hell does that mean? People who get to travel don't work? I've had a passport for 10 years now, I've travelled overseas (just once, but I'm going again next week), and I work too. What's wrong with people who get the opportunity to travel?

I don't care how many houses John McCain owns. But don't go painting a guy born to a teenage mother who went on food stamps to support them, who went on to graduate 1st in his class from Harvard as an elitist if you can't even recall how many houses you own.

I grew up on the east coast, I've never lived more than 30 minutes outside NYC my entire life. I've worked in Manhattan for 12 years now. And I'm getting pretty sick of these conservatives treating us like we're these snobbish elitists because our way of life is different than theirs.
If anything, I always thought conservatives were the elitists. After all, they have God on their side and they're the real Americans. :whatever:

[Fading]

Do as I say, not do as I do.

It's ok to hold Obama to task for being rich and call him an elitist, just make sure not to bring it up in front of McCain because he was tortured and gets a pass on anything personal.

I def respect what McCain went thru. I just get tired of this double standard. It's ok to do the swift boat ads against Kerry (whom I'm no fan of) and question his war record and call him french, but it's not proper to bring up Bush's involvment in the military unless it's to brag or call him anything but a good ol' all American. It's ok to bring up Obama's cash flow, but since McCain is a war hero we're not allowed to question him since he's had it rough. Way I look at it, if anything went against Kerry last round, why not McCain this time? And it's simple, I'm not trying to brag on Obama but I think he's taking the high road and avoiding personal attacks. McCain's camp however has alrdy blew up the stupid, "Lipstick on a pig" ordeal as being about Palin, despite McCain using the phrase himself.

[JackMercy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7600000/7600592.stm

Thought this was appropriate for this thread...

[StrainedEyes]

John McCain and Wife Cindy's Former Mansion for Sale!

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2008/09/ok_so_after_todays_financial.php

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg124/Geo7877/mccainhome.jpg

OK, so after today's financial news, you might not be in the market for a mansion. But if you are, you're in luck! An ad in yesterday's Arizona Republic announced that on October 25, the "former home of Sen. John & Cindy McCain" will be auctioned.

It's the onetime central Phoenix digs of the GOP presidential nominee and family -- they moved not long ago to a luxury condo, and the house has since been remodeled, according to The Larsen Company, the group conducting the auction.

You can only tour the place by appointment, but here's the description of the home at 7110 N. Central Avenue:

"This gracious, private residence is gated and secure on a sprawling 2.7 acre estate lot. The home features 15,000 sq. ft., 13 bedrooms, 14.5 baths and 7 car garage. Extensively enlarged and remodeled in Old World design. This home is perfect for a private residence or corporate retreat."

Or White House summit.

[ShadowBoxing]

...And then there were twelve :(. Wow, the economy must really suck right now if even McCain can't make his twelfth mortgage payments :(

[bunk]

I saw Palin do something similar on the CBS interview last week, when she was explaining to Katie Couric how she wasn't someone whose parents gave her a passport and a backpack and let them travel the world.

"Noooo," she said in this condescending voice. "I worked."

What the hell does that mean? People who get to travel don't work? I've had a passport for 10 years now, I've travelled overseas (just once, but I'm going again next week), and I work too. What's wrong with people who get the opportunity to travel?

I don't care how many houses John McCain owns. But don't go painting a guy born to a teenage mother who went on food stamps to support them, who went on to graduate 1st in his class from Harvard as an elitist if you can't even recall how many houses you own.

I grew up on the east coast, I've never lived more than 30 minutes outside NYC my entire life. I've worked in Manhattan for 12 years now. And I'm getting pretty sick of these conservatives treating us like we're these snobbish elitists because our way of life is different than theirs.

Oh jeeze... I hadn't heard about that. The thing is, all the people I know who traveled oversees had to work their asses off and save money to make it happen. They then had to promptly get back to work when they returned to make up for the time they missed.

[Excel]

home features 15,000 sq. ft., 13 bedrooms, 14.5 baths and 7 car garage.

Jesus ****ing christ, I wonder how many times McCain got lost?

[danoyse]

Oh jeeze... I hadn't heard about that. The thing is, all the people I know who traveled oversees had to work their asses off and save money to make it happen. They then had to promptly get back to work when they returned to make up for the time they missed.

Yeah, she said during one of the interviews they did while they were walking outside the UN.

I'm going to London next week, and I've been working and saving up all year for this trip. I haven't taken time off work since July (and that was to have my wisdom teeth removed), and I've been crazed the last two weeks just trying to get everything wrapped up before I go--and I know there's going to be a ton of stuff waiting for me when I get back.

That comment from her just ticked me off to no end.

[redfirebird2008]

McCain is such a jerk:

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The kindergarten "sex ed" ad was despicable yet he continues to stand by it. He knows damn well what that bill was about. It was about warning kids about sexual predators, not giving them "comprehensive sex education."

[Marx]

Is anybody watching the Daily Show? His entire opening segment was ripping into McCain and congress for the bailout bill. Hilarious! :lmao:

[The Senator]

Is anybody watching the Daily Show? His entire opening segment was ripping into McCain and congress for the bailout bill. Hilarious! :lmao:

My satellite has been off all evening, thanks to some wonderful storms in the DC area.

Got to watch "House" earlier, though-- but there was no mention of McCain.

[Fading]

The kindergarten "sex ed" ad was despicable yet he continues to stand by it. He knows damn well what that bill was about. It was about warning kids about sexual predators, not giving them "comprehensive sex education."

It's funny, today I was watching a pretty effective youtube video about something similar. It would play a clip from one of the McCain attack ads on Obama accusing him of something, then it would play a video clip showing proof that what he accused him of was false, and then it played a clip of McCain saying he approved the ad.

The second they went overboard with the "lipstick on a pig" deal, I knew they were grasping for whatever straws they could find. In fact theres another video of Fox New's uber conservative Hannity condeming Obama for the lipstick on a pig comment. He then says, "McCain would never say something like this", and then the video cuts to a clip of McCain saying, "I hate to use an old term, but it's like putting lipstick on a pig".

[redfirebird2008]

It's funny, today I was watching a pretty effective youtube video about something similar. It would play a clip from one of the McCain attack ads on Obama accusing him of something, then it would play a video clip showing proof that what he accused him of was false, and then it played a clip of McCain saying he approved the ad.

The second they went overboard with the "lipstick on a pig" deal, I knew they were grasping for whatever straws they could find. In fact theres another video of Fox New's uber conservative Hannity condeming Obama for the lipstick on a pig comment. He then says, "McCain would never say something like this", and then the video cuts to a clip of McCain saying, "I hate to use an old term, but it's like putting lipstick on a pig".

The very thought of John McCain accusing someone else of sexism is laughable. The same man who called his wife the c-word. The same man who cheated on his first wife after she was disfigured in a car accident and apparently no longer attractive enough to meet his "needs." The same man who said Chelsea Clinton was "so ugly because her dad is Janet Reno." The same man who laughed when a woman asked him on the campaign trail last year, "How do we beat the ***** (Hillary)?" The same man who has voted against equal pay for equal work for women during his career.

And as you pointed out, he himself is fond of the lipstick on a pig phrase. He used it at least 3 times during this Presidential campaign to talk about Clinton's health care plan.

[DorkyFresh]

he also suggested that Cindy enter the Miss Buffalo Chip beauty pageant. i wonder how much flack he'd get for that if he suggested Palin instead.

[UA-Archangel]

Yet you CONTINUE to IGNORE the points I made, that clean coal technology is both detrimental to the environment and not cost effective enough for us to even consider implementing it. The costs will outweigh the benefits; for every clean coal operation we set up, that's one geothermal plant we could have set up, or one new windfarm, or one new solar plant, or perhaps even one more nuclear plant. There are several clean energies we MUST implement, instead of relying on the same-old environmentally degrading energy sources.

If it made business sense to build a geothermal plant or solar plant or a nuclear plant or windfarm, it would be built, even if it meant giving a government subsidy to do so.

The fact that nobody out there, and you're always welcome to do so if you really think that it's a viable option, should indicate that it's not really viable.

[UA-Archangel]

On what news? Fox? :whatever:

I don't get Fox and I don't even watch tv. With the hours I work at my job, I don't have time to watch tv.

I haven't even so much as watched more than a half hour of anything since March, 2007.

[UA-Archangel]

Again, I live on a grid where wind power supplies a decent percentage of our energy. My parents make less than $75k combined, yet they can afford it. The price, on American grids, will not fluctuate dramatically.

Not to mention, shouldn't you be arguing that clean coal will be expensive since we will need to create new clean coal processing plants? :huh:

If I lived in a climate as relatively temperate as America (Alaska aside) I could probably afford to go without using any power at all to heat my home for 10 months of the year. It would be a lot easier to make use of more expensive, even if questionably more environmentally friendly, technologies.

[The Battousai]

If it made business sense to build a geothermal plant or solar plant or a nuclear plant or windfarm, it would be built, even if it meant giving a government subsidy to do so.

The fact that nobody out there, and you're always welcome to do so if you really think that it's a viable option, should indicate that it's not really viable.

In a business sense, yes. At the moment, people aren't jumping on alternative energies.

They should, though, because if there isn't a good/great effort to lower and prevent the current carbon output, then the planet's going to slow-bake us by 2050.

There needs to be government regulation - soon.

[danoyse]

Is anybody watching the Daily Show? His entire opening segment was ripping into McCain and congress for the bailout bill. Hilarious! :lmao:

I saw it. I don't think I've ever seen Jon Stewart freak out so much. It was hilarious.

Did anyone see Stephen Colbert? He decided he was so mad at Nancy Pelosi for hurting his feelings that he 'emailed' Iran and gave them our nuclear codes. Then he played clips of some of the Congressmen he's interview who voted down the bill--one was saying something about putting kittens in a woodchipper and the other was talking about a robot invasion. :lmao:

[Marx]

I saw it. I don't think I've ever seen Jon Stewart freak out so much. It was hilarious.

Did anyone see Stephen Colbert? He decided he was so mad at Nancy Pelosi for hurting his feelings that he 'emailed' Iran and gave them our nuclear codes. Then he played clips of some of the Congressmen he's interview who voted down the bill--one was saying something about putting kittens in a woodchipper and the other was talking about a robot invasion. :lmao:

Colbert was pretty good as well! :funny:

[DorkyFresh]

McCain TRYING to defend the Straight Talk Express...
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McCain is an old, dirty, rotten prick. 100% absolute truth my ass!

[danoyse]

Apparently, McCain had some problems leaving the stage today too:

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I just can't stop laughing at this... :lmao:

[Marx]

Apparently, McCain had some problems leaving the stage today too:

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I just can't stop laughing at this... :lmao:

:facepalm:

:funny:

[jaguarr]

McCain TRYING to defend the Straight Talk Express...
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McCain is an old, dirty, rotten prick. 100% absolute truth my ass!

I'm simply stunned that he's tried to stick to that "Obama wants to teach kindergartners all about sex" piece of B.S. He's been disproven over it multiple times and the bill that Obama supported was clearly geared towards raising awareness of sexual predators to younger kids to keep them safe as has been discussed ad nauseum in the media. WTF? :huh:

jag

[souvlaki]

Apparently, McCain had some problems leaving the stage today too:

60dcD1s6mhE

I just can't stop laughing at this... :lmao:

:lmao:

[The Senator]

Apparently, McCain had some problems leaving the stage today too:

60dcD1s6mhE

I just can't stop laughing at this... :lmao:

If only he fell off the stage. :csad:

[rdh007]

He doesn't deserve to have his name mentioned in the same breath as Truman. Possibly my favorite president. :down

[bunk]

This is a bit odd...

At the 1:40 mark:

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/10/wait-minute.html

I’m not saying this is the perfect answer. If I were dictator, which I always aspire to be, I would write it a little bit differently. I would increase the FDIC insured deposits and done some other things..

Didn't seem like he was joking. :huh:

[jaguarr]

This is a bit odd...

At the 1:40 mark:

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/10/wait-minute.html


Didn't seem like he was joking. :huh:

Good f**king Lord....he sounded dead serious about it. :huh:

jag

[Superman]

This is a bit odd...

At the 1:40 mark:

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/10/wait-minute.html


Didn't seem like he was joking. :huh:

"If I were dictator, which I always aspire to be"

Are you F****** kiding me? He aspire's to be a Dictator?!?! :whatever:

[Marx]

"If I were dictator, which I always aspire to be"

Are you F****** kiding me? He aspire's to be a Dictator?!?! :whatever:

Scary, isn't it?

[DorkyFresh]

he really IS Bush version 2.0

[Marx]

he really IS Bush version 2.0

Did Bush ever publicly say that he aspired to be a dictator? I honestly cannot remember. :huh:

[Marx]

CNN just called out John McCain on his bailout position. (About how McCain is saying this isn't the time for blame and that we need to move beyond the partisan politics that voted down the bill. They just showed a new ad that he has out that does what? Places the blame squarely on Obama.)

[Superman]

Did Bush ever publicly say that he aspired to be a dictator? I honestly cannot remember. :huh:

You could say that...
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:whatever:

[Marx]

You could say that...
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:whatever:

Yikes. :wow:

[DorkyFresh]

like i said.....Bush v2.0

[Raiden]

like i said.....Bush v2.0

That's why he should change his name to McBush.

[Überlibran]

Has anybody seen this yet? It's a Rolling Stone article about John McCain that's pretty brutal. I'll admit to having a bias, but if even half of this stuff is true... just wow.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Just a warning, it's long as hell, but very interesting.

[jaguarr]

Has anybody seen this yet? It's a Rolling Stone article about John McCain that's pretty brutal. I'll admit to having a bias, but if even half of this stuff is true... just wow.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Just a warning, it's long as hell, but very interesting.

Thanks. I'll read this when I have more time. RS did a brutal expose' on Giuliani last summer that I found very enlightening.

jag

[Lightning Strykez!]

This is a bit odd...

At the 1:40 mark:

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/10/wait-minute.html


Didn't seem like he was joking. :huh:

:eek:

*runs for the hills*

[StrainedEyes]

At around 1:20, John's awesome temper and dismissive attitude comes out.

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[danoyse]

At around 1:20, John's awesome temper and dismissive attitude comes out.

nskNRlx0A7Y

Wow. He has officially snapped.

[Marx]

At around 1:20, John's awesome temper and dismissive attitude comes out.

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Well I must say...I'm really surprised he sat there THAT long.

[spit_acid]

[Takes LONG daring breath]. I support McCain. :] There, I said it.

[souvlaki]

At around 1:20, John's awesome temper and dismissive attitude comes out.

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Hadn't detected that in the polls? Her favorable/unfavorable ratings went down over 10 points in like 3 days. Is he oblivious, or just a liar? Also, she is no longer that most popular Governor in the US. Her approval rating in Alaska slipped to the high 60's in the last few weeks.

[Marx]

[Takes LONG daring breath]. I support McCain. :] There, I said it.

Welcome to the boards spit_acid! :yay:

[ShadowBoxing]

[Takes LONG daring breath]. I support McCain. :] There, I said it.
Don't worry, it's okay. It'll all be over soon:oldrazz:

[Marx]

Don't worry, it's okay. It'll all be over soon:oldrazz:

:lmao:

[Gilpesh]

[Takes LONG daring breath]. I support McCain. :] There, I said it.

[Takes long daring breath knowing the answer to his question will be damn you and your elitist sexist ways]

Why?

[redfirebird2008]

McCain is STILL having a hard time looking Obama in the eye:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/beyond/2008/10/obama-makes-mccain-very-uncomf.html

[spit_acid]

[Takes long daring breath knowing the answer to his question will be damn you and your elitist sexist ways]

Why?

I have watched every debate, read every article I could get my hand on, seen every interview I could, and I feel he would be best for this country. See, the mistake people are making is thinking that every single republican is George W. Bush. They aren't. Simply said. I can say that I am a Republican who disagrees with George Bush on a LOT.
I think that McCain has the wisdom that this country needs. Palin may be a redneck, but I would much rather my VP be a redneck than my president be a pussy (cough-obama-cough). We can win this war. We can fix this economy. And I'm sure he's going to help us do that. Whereas, with Obama, I wouldn't be so sure of that.
And, plus, being from Chicago, I know what a curropt city/STATE this place is. And I cannot even begin to imagine why there are people even CONSIDERING to vote for an Illinois politician. It's beyond me.

[Marx]

I have watched every debate, read every article I could get my hand on, seen every interview I could, and I feel he would be best for this country. See, the mistake people are making is thinking that every single republican is George W. Bush. They aren't. Simply said. I can say that I am a Republican who disagrees with George Bush on a LOT.
I think that McCain has the wisdom that this country needs. Palin may be a redneck, but I would much rather my VP be a redneck than my president be a pussy (cough-obama-cough). We can win this war. We can fix this economy. And I'm sure he's going to help us do that. Whereas, with Obama, I wouldn't be so sure of that.
And, plus, being from Chicago, I know what a curropt city/STATE this place is. And I cannot even begin to imagine why there are people even CONSIDERING to vote for an Illinois politician. It's beyond me.

Do you mean that you have watched all of the Republican debates? The Democratic debates? Or ALL of the debates, meaning both parties?

[redfirebird2008]

Spit acid, it's people like you ("Obama's a pussy") that need to grow the hell up. Maybe when you realize that we owe trillions of dollars to China, you'll understand that being a "badass" on foreign policy right now could have disastrous results. The rest of the world is SICK of us telling them how to live their lives. If we bomb Iran, you can bet your ass we will be in a nuclear standoff with China (and Russia) in a heartbeat. They're already in the process of bankrupting us (through our own idiotic policies of spending money we don't have), so I don't think picking a fight with them is a very prudent strategy. McCain is offering this path in foreign policy and I think it's incredibly stubborn to not even consider the possibility of diplomacy.

By the way, how much of a pussy was Obama when he said we should bomb terrorist targets in Pakistan without telling the Pakistani government? The Republicans criticized the hell out of him for that, for being TOO hawkish. And then what happened? The frickin' C.I.A. actually implemented Obama's strategy and successfully took out a high level Al Qaeda officer. Obama has said very clearly that he wants a more effective war in Afghanistan. YOUR party is the one that screwed this up dude. Stop calling Obama a pussy for wanting to rectify their screw-up by focusing more attention where we should have been focusing all along in Afghanistan.

[Motown Marvel]

I have watched every debate, read every article I could get my hand on, seen every interview I could, and I feel he would be best for this country. See, the mistake people are making is thinking that every single republican is George W. Bush. They aren't. Simply said. I can say that I am a Republican who disagrees with George Bush on a LOT.
I think that McCain has the wisdom that this country needs. Palin may be a redneck, but I would much rather my VP be a redneck than my president be a pussy (cough-obama-cough). We can win this war. We can fix this economy. And I'm sure he's going to help us do that. Whereas, with Obama, I wouldn't be so sure of that.
And, plus, being from Chicago, I know what a curropt city/STATE this place is. And I cannot even begin to imagine why there are people even CONSIDERING to vote for an Illinois politician. It's beyond me.

you seem to be confident in your pick, and thats respectable. but you should recognize that in one breath you're rejecting stereotypes in defense of mccain (all republicans are bush), but embracing a stereotype to reject obama (all illinois politicians are corrupt).

[ShadowBoxing]

Hadn't detected that in the polls? Her favorable/unfavorable ratings went down over 10 points in like 3 days. Is he oblivious, or just a liar? Also, she is no longer that most popular Governor in the US. Her approval rating in Alaska slipped to the high 60's in the last few weeks.
I love how he grits his teeth and pretends to smile through it all.

[spit_acid]

Marx:
All of them, it wouldn't be fair just to watch the Republican side. I don't want you guys thinking that I support him because he's a Republican. I'm supporting him because I believe he's the best for our country. If we had another George Bush running against a really, truly great Democrat, hell, I'd support the Democrat. It's not a matter of that.

Redfirebird:
And what does Obama intend to do about it? Just pull us all out of there and everything will be good and dandy, right? We got ourselves into this mess, we can't just run away. We need to finish this.

[spit_acid]

you seem to be confident in your pick, and thats respectable. but you should recognize that in one breath you're rejecting stereotypes in defense of mccain (all republicans are bush), but embracing a stereotype to reject obama (all illinois politicians are corrupt).
Got me there. I won't even fight that one.

[redfirebird2008]

Marx:
All of them, it wouldn't be fair just to watch the Republican side. I don't want you guys thinking that I support him because he's a Republican. I'm supporting him because I believe he's the best for our country. If we had another George Bush running against a really, truly great Democrat, hell, I'd support the Democrat. It's not a matter of that.

Redfirebird:
And what does Obama intend to do about it? Just pull us all out of there and everything will be good and dandy, right? We got ourselves into this mess, we can't just run away. We need to finish this.

The Iraqis can finish it with their frickin' $60 billion surplus while we wallow in debt paying for something we shouldn't have to...ON CREDIT to China no less! Obama wants to take a far more aggressive approach in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which is what Bush (and McCain, who was touting a war with Iraq soon after 9/11 happened) should have done all along if he was truly serious about getting Bin Laden.

[ShadowBoxing]

Hmmmm....interesting, we shall have to monitor this as it develops
"According to two emergency room physicians in Phoenix, , who tell us they dont want their names used, interviewed by CounterPunch, it was at this time that Cindy McCain sought medical attention in the Phoenix area for injuries consistent with physical violence: bruises, contusions and a black eye . There were at least two more visits for medical attention in the Phoenix area by Cindy, with similar injuries, between 1988 and 1993."

[Gilpesh]

I have watched every debate, read every article I could get my hand on, seen every interview I could, and I feel he would be best for this country.

Then does that mean you turned off the television recently? Because he has gone with and gone back on

See, the mistake people are making is thinking that every single republican is George W. Bush. They aren't. Simply said. I can say that I am a Republican who disagrees with George Bush on a LOT.

Yeah. He may not be completely W.... but the fact that he would turn around and hug the man that ruined his political run at the presidency... that's bad.

I think that McCain has the wisdom that this country needs.

I don't. Especially with his VP pick... cause he might just do that with even more important decision that involve worldwide problems...

Palin may be a redneck, but I would much rather my VP be a redneck than my president be a pussy (cough-obama-cough).

Yes. Being smart and deciding to think a decision through... means that the guy is a huge vagina that can't do anything. :whatever:

We can win this war. We can fix this economy. And I'm sure he's going to help us do that.

Um. McCain has had a few years to fix this economy and there's no way to win this war... it isn't even a war anymore. You really need to understand that before you vote in November.

But seeing as McCain has said he has the answer to save the economy (think he said that at one point in a speech), why if he puts country first, isn't he fixing it right now?

Whereas, with Obama, I wouldn't be so sure of that.

So what... I am even less sure of McCain. Especially with his panic mode tactics that lead to suspending the campaign and almost ditching a debate unless certain conditions were met, of course he didn't suspend his campaign and those conditions were not met and he still went to the debate.

So he has shown his word is good for at most a day.

And, plus, being from Chicago, I know what a curropt city/STATE this place is. And I cannot even begin to imagine why there are people even CONSIDERING to vote for an Illinois politician. It's beyond me.

Really? Obama is corrupt? Just because of being from Illinois?

McCain has a few worse connections that are a lot more recent and a lot more important to how he will run the country than the state Obama is from...

[Marx]

Marx:
All of them, it wouldn't be fair just to watch the Republican side. I don't want you guys thinking that I support him because he's a Republican. I'm supporting him because I believe he's the best for our country. If we had another George Bush running against a really, truly great Democrat, hell, I'd support the Democrat. It's not a matter of that.

I appreciate your honesty. The only reason that I ask is because there are some who like to claim they listen to all sides and research all candidates, when in fact - they don't. I'm glad to know that you're not one of those people.

That being said, I don't think it is right or fair to criticize those who have a negative view of McCain (and who label him as McBush) while you support those who have a negative view of Obama (and who label him as a p***y.) You cannot trade in one stereotype for another. When you reject one stereotype to defend your candidate and accept one stereotype to tear the other candidate down - you open yourself up to being discredited as partisan and blind.

[Hobgoblin]

I have watched every debate, read every article I could get my hand on, seen every interview I could, and I feel he would be best for this country. See, the mistake people are making is thinking that every single republican is George W. Bush. They aren't. Simply said. I can say that I am a Republican who disagrees with George Bush on a LOT.
I think that McCain has the wisdom that this country needs. Palin may be a redneck, but I would much rather my VP be a redneck than my president be a pussy (cough-obama-cough). We can win this war. We can fix this economy. And I'm sure he's going to help us do that. Whereas, with Obama, I wouldn't be so sure of that.
And, plus, being from Chicago, I know what a curropt city/STATE this place is. And I cannot even begin to imagine why there are people even CONSIDERING to vote for an Illinois politician. It's beyond me.
Look, we've had 8 years of a President with a rough neck cowboy "dead or alive" mentality. Its time for an intellectual to take over, not someone with a hair trigger temper who by his own admission doesnt understand the economy. Just my two cents.


ALSO: No more using the p word. Anyone who does gets infracted. Capice? :hehe:

[souvlaki]

Hmmmm....interesting, we shall have to monitor this as it develops

Y'know, I'm not saying this might not be true but something tells me if this came out there would be a huge backlash against the media for accusing McCain of being a wife beater.

[Fading]

Just watched the McCain saying he wanted to be a dictator speech...freudian slip? Crazy he didn't even flinch after saying that.


Welcome to the forums Spit_Acid. I understand you have your opinion on McCain, but I think we need to move past the mentality that only hard ass republicans can protect us, and that democrats are p..well ya know, who will let us down in crisis. McCain couldn't even look Obama in the eye during the debate, he's been caught in lies several time, he has a very, very short temper. Short temper + refusal to look ppl in the eye = potentially scary foreign policy talks.

Hell, his 2 most important choices since accepting the nomination have shown a lack of good reasoning. Sarah Palin as VP is one of them, seriously that woman being second most powerful person in the land is frightning. The other being 'suspending' his campaign to 'rescue' the US by helping an already bad bill pass. All the while he kept campaigning and didn't actually arrive until the bill was finished.

[ShadowBoxing]

Y'know, I'm not saying this might not be true but something tells me if this came out there would be a huge backlash against the media for accusing McCain of being a wife beater.
Could, there would have to be some overwhelming proof.
Like her arm in a sling from a "minor hand shake related wrist sprain"

[Fading]

Hmmmm....interesting, we shall have to monitor this as it develops

I'm not going to jump to any conclusions, and just say I hope it's a false report. I may not like the McCain camp political wise, but I wouldn't wish harm on his wife. I also wouldn't want to think of him as a spousal abuser. Behind abusing children, spousal abuse is right up there on my list of ppl that piss me off. It would be beyond losing respect if there's any truth to this, and it is what it's semi-implying.

[ShadowBoxing]

I'm not going to jump to any conclusions, and just say I hope it's a false report. I may not like the McCain camp political wise, but I wouldn't wish harm on his wife. I also wouldn't want to think of him as a spousal abuser. Behind abusing children, spousal abuse is right up there on my list of ppl that piss me off. It would be beyond losing respect if there's any truth to this, and it is what it's semi-implying.
I certainly don't wish ill on his wife, but after calling her a "****" during a conversation about spousal abuse, and basically joking about the subject of abuse I wouldn't be surprised. He certainly didn't treat his first wife that nicely.

[ManofmyWord]

Welcome to the forums Spit Acid!

You seem to have a good sense about you, and I thank you for your honestly, though we may disagree.

But you are right, not every Republician is like Bush. But McCain sure enough is.

And just for facts, Obama worked IN the Chicago Community. Wasn't in charge of it.

[The Senator]

There appears to be a lot of vitriol in this thread.

May I suggest some "Serenity Now?"

[Arc-Light]

Look, we've had 8 years of a President with a rough neck cowboy "dead or alive" mentality. Its time for an intellectual to take over, not someone with a hair trigger temper who by his own admission doesnt understand the economy. Just my two cents.


ALSO: No more using the p word. Anyone who does gets infracted. Capice? :hehe:

So thats how you spell it...............

[Gilpesh]

There appears to be a lot of vitriol in this thread.

May I suggest some "Serenity Now?"

"Serenity now... insanity later." :dry:

[Arc-Light]

There appears to be a lot of vitriol in this thread.

May I suggest some "Serenity Now?"

Here you go.......i aim to please...

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd45/INBuckeye/Serenity_One_Sheet.jpg

[redfirebird2008]

Ahem...

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This could be damaging. The late night comedians are already making fun of it.

[danoyse]

Ahem...

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This could be damaging. The late night comedians are already making fun of it.

I posted it this afternoon. :csad:

[redfirebird2008]

I posted it this afternoon. :csad:

Ah, sorry about that. :O

I don't have Internet access at work so I was unaware.

[redfirebird2008]

He's following in the footsteps of his great leader, King George II:

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[WorthyStevens]

This is a bit odd...

At the 1:40 mark:

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/10/wait-minute.html


Didn't seem like he was joking. :huh:

Wow. With that, and his that he disagrees with what the majority of the American people want (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_to_60_Minutes_US_has_0310.html), I am truly scared this man could be President.

[danoyse]

Ah, sorry about that. :O

I don't have Internet access at work so I was unaware.

That's ok, you're forgiven.

This time. :oldrazz:

[sasquatchs]

Sounds like McCain's still cranky :hehe:

Not-So-Secret Handshake

By Jeff Zeleny (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/author/jeff-zeleny/) AND Michael Cooper (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/author/michael-cooper/) WASHINGTON – It was Senator Barack Obama who crossed the aisle.

As the senators gathered to vote (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/us/politics/01cnd-campaign.html?hp) on the $700 billion financial rescue package on Wednesday evening, Mr. Obama walked over to the Republican side of the chamber to extend a greeting to Senator John McCain.

He got a chilly response.

While it took Mr. Obama several seconds to make his way over to see his rival, Mr. McCain barely pivoted his body as he took Mr. Obama’s hand for a handshake that lasted just a moment. The eye contact was just as brief.
The moment provided a rare element of drama in an otherwise routine evening of votes (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/business/02bailout.html?hp). It was a curious sight on Capitol Hill, marking the second time in less than a week that the two presidential candidates crossed paths in Washington over deliberations on the economic relief package intended to stabilize the nation’s financial system.

Mr. Obama, who first arrived on the Senate floor at 5 p.m., presented his argument in favor of the legislation in a 13-minute speech. When Mr. McCain arrived shortly before 8 p.m., he did not join other Republicans in addressing the Senate. Aides to Mr. McCain said he had already addressed the substance of the bill during a speech earlier in the day in Missouri.
As Mr. Obama worked the floor of the Senate, holding a long conversation with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and walking around to greet a host of other colleagues, Mr. McCain largely stayed near his seat. Republican senators wandered by to say hello, before he walked away from the chamber.


The legislation passed by a wide margin, with spectators looking on from crowded galleries as the senators voted from their desks, a procedure that is reserved as a formality on pieces of legislation that are carefully watched.


The two men each returned to the campaign trail about 9:30 p.m., with Mr. Obama setting off on a late-night flight to Michigan and Mr. McCain spending the night in Washington.


Their next scheduled meeting? Next Tuesday at their second presidential debate.

[jaguarr]

Interesting article, sasquatchs. Makes me really wonder about the working style of these two men and how they try to work with the other people in the Senate.

jag

[sasquatchs]

There's also this one.


McCain: Life isn't fair

Republican John McCain -- making the rounds of the morning news shows as polls show him falling behind Democratic rival Barack Obama and his running mate losing the confidence of voters -- sounded either bitter or fatalistic.

Asked why Obama has been rising as the Wall Street crisis has dominated attention, McCain said on Fox News Channel: "Because life isn’t fair.”

“He certainly did nothing for the first few days," McCain added. "I suspended my campaign, took our ads down, came back to Washington, met with the House folks and got on the phone, and also had face-to-face meetings.”


...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/mccain_life_isn.html

http://i37.tinypic.com/aakk9d.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

"Life isn't fair" :lmao:

[jaguarr]

LOL! "Life isn't fair". Wow. You just don't get it, do you, John?

jag

[StrainedEyes]

That is pretty funny.

[Superman]

There's also this one.

McCain: Life isn't fair

Republican John McCain -- making the rounds of the morning news shows as polls show him falling behind Democratic rival Barack Obama and his running mate losing the confidence of voters -- sounded either bitter or fatalistic.

Asked why Obama has been rising as the Wall Street crisis has dominated attention, McCain said on Fox News Channel: "Because life isn’t fair.”

“He certainly did nothing for the first few days," McCain added. "I suspended my campaign, took our ads down, came back to Washington, met with the House folks and got on the phone, and also had face-to-face meetings.”


...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/..._life_isn.html



http://i37.tinypic.com/aakk9d.jpgMcCain lies again.:whatever:

He didn't suspend his campaign like he claims and we all know he didn't take down the ads. They were all over the TV at the same time he said they were taken down.

He came to DC had his meeting at the White House, Talked to a few people on the phone and that's it.

And what did we get for all of his showing off? The bill went down the drain because his republican buddies couldn't keep their end of the deal and get to votes.

That's why his poll numbers are going down. :whatever:

[Marx]

Life isn't fair? Seriously, that's his answer? Why doesn't he just quit. :dry:

[Raiden]

McCain really think voters are dumb for not noticing his ads and interviews during time of his "suspension". And crying about "life isn't fair" is just a classic for someone who owns so many houses he couldn't remember how many he has.

[Hobgoblin]

Sometimes I wonder if SNL has a crystal ball that lets them see into the inner workings of the McCain campaign. Its like John really is saying
"I just dont care anymore."

[Marx]

Sometimes I wonder if SNL has a crystal ball that lets them see into the inner workings of the McCain campaign. Its like John really is saying
"I just dont care anymore."

As every day passes, I grow more and more tired of the McCain campaign. This election can't be over soon enough!

[Lightning Strykez!]

I can't believe he said that. What a juvenile response.

Ya know, I'm beginning to believe that John must really despise Barack Obama. I'm talking, unmitigated, seething hatred here. :dry:

[Lightning Strykez!]

"She's had more experience in leadership than Senator Obama and Senator Biden put together."

Um yeah. John McCain is officially insane. :dry:

[Raiden]

McCain pulling out of Michigan (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081002/pl_politico/22895)

John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.


McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida. Wisconsin went for Kerry in 2004, Ohio and Florida for Bush.

McCain's campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Republicans had been bullish on Michigan, hopeful that McCain's past success in the state in the 2000 primary combined with voter dissatisfaction with Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and skepticism among blue-collar voters about Barack Obama could make it competitive.

McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin spent the night after the GOP convention at a large rally in Macomb County, just outside Detroit. The two returned later last month for another sizable event in Grand Rapids.

But recent polls there have shown Obama extending what had been a small lead, with the economic crisis damaging an already sagging GOP brand in a state whose economy is in tatters.

A McCain event planned for next week in Plymouth, Michigan, has been canceled.

[Marx]

Um yeah. John McCain is officially insane. :dry:

:facepalm:

[Excel]

McCain said on Fox News Channel: "life isn’t fair.”



Tell that to Al Gore...

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2004/11/02/national/networks.span.jpg

[Paradoxium]

I can't believe he said that. What a juvenile response.

Ya know, I'm beginning to believe that John must really despise Barack Obama. I'm talking, unmitigated, seething hatred here. :dry:

If you ask me, he is going to have a hoot if Obama becomes the next president because of the Financial Crisis. I would reverse this situation and say Obama would also have a hoot if McCain becomes the next President. It is going to suck, especially if the bailout goes through. Even without the bailout, it is going to be no fun.

My point is, you are going to have your hands tied to your back with this crisis. You can't regulate yourself out of the crisis now, because it is a normative impossibility. Both candidates are bent on vitiating it, and the irony is to actually do nothing for the correction to workout. And one of the few realistic corrections is to conduct a massive investigation on the Federal Reserve - a big knock on the status quo - is not stated by either candidates. Neither will have the balls to change things when confronted with it.

[Marx]

If you ask me, he is going to have a hoot if Obama becomes the next president because of the Financial Crisis. I would reverse this situation and say Obama would also have a hoot if McCain becomes the next President. It is going to suck, especially if the bailout goes through. Even without the bailout, it is going to be no fun.

My point is, you are going to have your hands tied to your back with this crisis. You can't regulate yourself out of the crisis now, because it is a normative impossibility. Both candidates are bent on vitiating it, and the irony is to actually do nothing for the correction to workout. And one of the few realistic corrections is to conduct a massive investigation on the Federal Reserve - a big knock on the status quo - is not stated by either candidates. Neither will have the balls to change things when confronted with it.

I think (if Obama is elected,) the best decision he could make would be to say in his address that these problems cannot be fixed overnight. That it might take more than one term to get out of this. He's already starting to say it.

[Hobgoblin]

As every day passes, I grow more and more tired of the McCain campaign. This election can't be over soon enough!

I'm truly amazed at how McCain has sunk. He started out as a candidate that I said I could deal with being President, if a Republican must be elected. I even voted for him in the primaries. Ever since the Republican Convention, its been one jaw drop after another. How can a man who wants the job so very badly be running such a terrible campaign? He lost the Republican candidacy in 2000 for this? He came back from the brink of irrelevance two years ago for this? He was a POW for five years FOR THIS????

Truly amazing.

[Marx]

I'm truly amazed at how McCain has sunk. He started out as a candidate that I said I could deal with being President, if a Republican must be elected. I even voted for him in the primaries. Ever since the Republican Convention, its been one jaw drop after another. How can a man who wants the job so very badly be running such a terrible campaign? He lost the Republican candidacy in 2000 for this? He came back from the brink of irrelevance two years ago for this? He was a POW for five years FOR THIS????

Truly amazing.

I'm shocked he has now pulled out of Michigan. At this point, nothing coing from this campaign would shock me.

[Marx]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/02/gall.michigan.gi.jpg

This picture says _________.

[The Senator]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/02/gall.michigan.gi.jpg

This picture says _________.

McCain needs to lose some weight :huh:

[Hobgoblin]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/02/gall.michigan.gi.jpg

This picture says _________.

"One of these days, Alice! POW! To the moon!":cmad:

[Carcharodon]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/02/gall.michigan.gi.jpg
Palin: "Oh, I just LOVE the Angels! They're my favorite team!"

McCain (*Under his breath, with his fist and jaw clenched, as you can see*): SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!!

[Marx]

"One of these days, Alice! POW! To the moon!":cmad:

Palin: "Oh, I just LOVE the Angels! They're my favorite team!"

McCain (*Under his breath, with his fist and jaw clenched, as you can see*): SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!!

:lmao:

[Knives]

As every day passes, I grow more and more tired of the McCain campaign. This election can't be over soon enough!

Yeah seriously. It isn't even a campaign anymore. It's a JOKE. I expect clowns to start popping out of the straight talk express bus(besides Joe Lieberman of course).

Life Isn't fair. I can't beleive he gave that answer. He truly looks like a tired, withered, defeated old man. I'm beginning to wonder if he is even going to make it to November. Palin might have to start wheeling him around soon.

[Hobgoblin]

Yeah seriously. It isn't even a campaign anymore. It's a JOKE. I expect clowns to start popping out of the straight talk express bus(besides Joe Lieberman of course).

Life Isn't fair. I can't beleive he gave that answer. He truly looks like a tired, withered, defeated old man. I'm beginning to wonder if he is even going to make it to November. Palin might have to start wheeling him around soon.

Thats just the thing. Its like he didnt understand when he was going in what the campaign would mean having to do. He just seemed unprepared for the rigors. I mean, if the campaign trail is hard (which no doubt it is) than how the hell can he be President? Especially at this time?

[Raiden]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/02/gall.michigan.gi.jpg

This picture says _________.

How nice, a father is buying his daughter a Red Wings jersey. :oldrazz:

[jaguarr]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/02/gall.michigan.gi.jpg

This picture says _________.

"So, John....do you own YOUR red wings?"

:eek:

:hehe:

Oh no I di'in't!!!!

jag

[Marx]

HOUSE FOR SALE: INSIDE JOHN MCCAIN'S MANSION

L2EsED_YpEo

[souvlaki]

Republican Mailing Leaves Florida Voters Confused

A new mailing from the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign to Florida voters has Democrats saying they're the victim of dirty tricks. They say that at the very least, the mailing is meant to confuse voters in this battleground state. Republicans say Democrats are making much ado abut nothing.

Lifelong Democrat Marilyn DiMauro of Naples was surprised to get a letter recently from Republican presidential contender John McCain.

"I thought, well that's strange, because I'm a Democrat. And when I opened the envelope, there was a card that said I was listed as a Republican with my registration number. So I immediately got my Democratic card, and the registration number was not the same," she says.

She thought the mailing — labeled "Party Affiliation Voter Registration Card" — was a little fishy — especially when she found out two of her friends who are Democrats had received the same thing but a Republican friend had not.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94818483

[Marx]

Republican Mailing Leaves Florida Voters Confused



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94818483

That's a little strange... :huh:

[The Senator]

Republican Mailing Leaves Florida Voters Confused



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94818483

Isn't this.... illegal? :huh:

[Marx]

Isn't this.... illegal? :huh:

That's what I thought too... :huh:

[The Senator]

The GOP is essentially committing voter fraud. Not to mention, I thought the parties weren't the ones who sent out voter registration cards. Doesn't each state's board of elections do that?

[jaguarr]

The GOP is essentially committing voter fraud. Not to mention, I thought the parties weren't the ones who sent out voter registration cards. Doesn't each state's board of elections do that?

You're gonna looooove this, then:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/02/ohio_court_rules_for_mccain-pa.html

Ohio Court Rules for McCain-Palin on Absentee Ballots

Updated 5:35 p.m.
By Mary Pat Flaherty
The Ohio Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that disputed absentee ballot applications mailed to state voters by the McCain-Palin campaign should be accepted by local elections officials and directed State Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner to reverse her position that boards reject them.
The decision was one of several issued this week by state and federal courts over procedures that affect Ohio's early voting process.
The case was brought by two Republican voters against Brunner, a Democrat, and had become the focus of partisan wrangling in the heavily contested state.
The applications at issue in Thursday's case contain a checkbox that appears on the forms -- in addition to a signature line -- for voters to state that they are qualified to vote and request an absentee ballot. The McCain camp mailed 1 million of the forms in Ohio.
In September, Brunner advised county elections boards to reject the forms if the box was not checked, even if the application had been signed, saying that without a checkmark a voter's intent was unclear. More than 3,500 ballots already had been rejected for that reason by boards, the court determined.
The court rejected Brunner's interpretation and also said that an unchecked box did not provide evidence of voter fraud. Rejecting ballots solely over the lack of a checkmark, the court wrote, served "no vital purpose or public interest."
The court was obliged to avoid "unduly technical interpretations" of election law, its order stated.
Brunner said she was "pleased" the court clarified what she called a set of "complex applications ruled" passed by the state legislature. "I will gladly follow the high court's decision," she said.
The McCain campaign cheered the ruling. "Today's decision is a win for the tens of thousands of voters whose absentee ballots were threatened as a result of Secretary of State Brunner's decision to add confusion to what should be an honest and open election process. These qualified voters are now assured that they will not be disenfranchised by Secretary Brunner's partisan attempt to keep John McCain's supporters from casting absentee ballots," said Jon Seaton, McCain-Palin Regional Campaign Manager for Seaton, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
On Monday, the day before early voting opened in Ohio, Brunner's office won several court cases in which Republican voters and the state GOP had asked state and federal courts to stop the process because it permitted voters to register and cast absentee ballots at the same time.
The one-stop voting stemmed from a directive Brunner issued based on a unique overlap between when absentee ballots became available in the state and the close of voter registration a week later.
Ohio this year allows voters to cast absentee ballots without providing an excuse as to why they will not be present on Election Day -- and that change has led to a steady get-out-the-vote effort during the one-stop overlap period, which ends Oct. 6.

jag

[souvlaki]

McCain voted for the bill, and is now saying he hopes Bush will veto it? What?!?

[Gilpesh]

McCain voted for the bill, and is now saying he hopes Bush will veto it? What?!?

So he can play the Obama voted for it card.

[StrainedEyes]

So he can play the Obama voted for it card.

But, he voted for it... Wouldn't that blow up in his face?

[Gilpesh]

But, he voted for it... Wouldn't that blow up in his face?

Palin hasn't undone his candidacy.

His connections to the people that helped along this disaster hasn't undone his candidacy.

His campaign suspension has not undone his candidacy.


A lot of things tend not to blow up in his face like you would think...

[rdh007]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/02/gall.michigan.gi.jpg

This picture says _________.


Campaign Officials Confirm John McCain Shifting Resources Away from Michigan

http://www.mlive.com/grpress/news/index.ssf/2008/10/campaign_officials_confirm_joh.html

[Superman4ever]

McCain breaks promise on ending pork barrel spending. Remember that bit about calling them out on it? Naming names?

McCain just broke his BIGGEST campaign pledge (UPDATE 5x)
by butchcjg
Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 07:37:01 AM PDT

I normally wouldn’t beg for recommendations, but I think we need to pounce on this opportunity to prove that John McCain is a Washington Insider and his "tough talk" on earmarks is nothing but EMPTY RHETORIC!

We all remember John McCain’s angry pledge during his convention speech: he promised to veto the first bill on his desk that included pork barrel spending. He told us he’d teach them a lesson and "make famous" the politician who had the nerve to ask for an earmark. The crowd roared.

* butchcjg's diary :: ::
*

In last Friday’s debate, John McCain continued his tirade on earmarks and pork barrel spending. It was his response to nearly every economic question. Cutting earmarks is the hallmark of his economic plan. He said they lead to corruption and that several politicians are behind bars because of them. He said that he’s a maverick who would change Worshin’ton and again promised to veto any bill that included pork barrel spending.

But yesterday John McCain was given his first opportunity during the whole campaign to PROVE how he’d live out his campaign promises. And what did he do? He BROKE his promise. He didn't change Washington or stand up to it!

Yesterday’s Economic Rescue/Bailout Plan contained hundreds of millions of dollars of what John McCain calls "Pork Barrel Spending." We’re talking $195M in tax cuts to Puerto Rican rum makers, millions to makers of children’s wooden toys, race track makers, and wool fibers. HUNDREDS of MILLIONS in EARMARKS and PORK BARREL SPENDING!

And what did John McCain do? Surely he lived out his strongest campaign pledge, right? Surely he stood on the Senate floor and said "You know, this economic rescue plan is critical to the country. But I’ve PROMISED the American Public that I will veto any bill that contains pork barrel spending. It’s corrupt and it’s wasteful. As a matter of principle, I cannot support this bill. I vote No."

Um, no. That’s not what happened. Instead, John McCain caved and voted yes to a bill that included Hundreds of Millions of Dollars in Pork Barrel Spending.

If John McCain can’t live up to his promises and his principals during the campaign, then how do we ever expect him to live up to them once he’s elected and no longer has to placate us? This bill had support. It passed by 75-25, so John McCain’s vote was not the critical tie breaker. He could have easily voiced his overwhelming support for the bill, but voted no on principal. But, he chose not to. Why? Because his promise is EMPTY RHETORIC. He gets people riled up on this issue, but has no intention of changing it.

Earmarks are the ONLY issue on John McCain’s economic platform and he just proved that he has no intention (or capability) of changing the system. He goes right along with it when it’s convenient to him. He couldn’t stand up to earmarks when it conflicted with his campaign image of trying to be a leader on this bailout bill. Like all politicians, he uses pork spending to leverage votes for bills that he wants. That’s how the system works and John McCain is part of the Washington Insider System.<.</p>

Today John McCain was on Morning Joe, touting his usual line about how it’s a disgrace this bill was full of wasteful pork. And how a president has to take a stand no matter how important the bill is and veto it. How DARE you, Mr. McCain. How dare you lie to us. How dare you break your promises. And how DARE you think we’re so stupid that we don’t realize you are an integral part of the system you publicly despise. YOU are what’s broken about Washington, Sir.

Clearly Mr. McCain, you’ve proven you are NOTHING but empty rhetoric and broken promises.

Update: Thanks to the landrew in the comments for this:

From Americablog:

John McCain was on "Morning Joe" a few minutes ago to talk mostly about the bailout bill. His answers were, as usual, discombobulated as he ranted about Washington (as if he hasn't served in D.C. for 26 years.) When pressed as to why he voted for the bailout package given all his ranting and complaining, McCain responded "This bill is putting us on the brink of economic disaster." Does McCain know that he voted for the bailout bill?


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/2/103533/393/707/617623

Yeah, yeah I know its dailykos, but it's a good point!

[Clark Kent]

Does anyone here notice how McCain keeps attacking Obama about raising taxes? As far as I know, Obama only plans on raising taxes for the rich. What's wrong with that?

McCain also says that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Yet a report coming out tomorrow, according to Obama anyway, is gonna say unemployment has been going up for the last nine months.

McCain said today that a town hall meeting he was at in Denver was one of the more emotional town hall meetings he'd ever had, probably because it had been an all-women meeting. Was he more emotional because he fears that women who are likely to vote are probably gonna vote for Obama?

One of the women asked him when he was gonna take the gloves off. Excuse me? Has McCain worn any gloves during this campaign? If anyone needs to lose the gloves, it's Obama, IMO. Even if he is beating McCain at the moment, ya never know when that might change. He needs to give as good as he gets.

[redfirebird2008]

Does anyone here notice how McCain keeps attacking Obama about raising taxes? As far as I know, Obama only plans on raising taxes for the rich. What's wrong with that?

McCain also says that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Yet a report coming out tomorrow, according to Obama anyway, is gonna say unemployment has been going up for the last nine months.

McCain said today that a town hall meeting he was at in Denver was one of the more emotional town hall meetings he'd ever had, probably because it had been an all-women meeting. Was he more emotional because he fears that women who are likely to vote are probably gonna vote for Obama?

One of the women asked him when he was gonna take the gloves off. Excuse me? Has McCain worn any gloves during this campaign? If anyone needs to lose the gloves, it's Obama, IMO. Even if he is beating McCain at the moment, ya never know when that might change. He needs to give as good as he gets.

If you're wondering about the tax issue based on each candidate's plans, go here and see what their plans will do for certain income levels:

http://www.alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/

McCain is trying to use the typical "tax and spend liberal" argument against Obama. The problem is, it's a lie. FactCheck.org continues calling him out for it every time he does it, and they've called out Obama on this too. Obama claims that he will cut taxes for 95% of the population. The number is actually 81%. Far closer to the truth than what McCain is portraying though.

[UA-Archangel]

Does anyone here notice how McCain keeps attacking Obama about raising taxes? As far as I know, Obama only plans on raising taxes for the rich. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with it is that taxing the rich more has a neglible effect on government revenues. You could tax the income of everybody who makes $250,000 at 100% (meaning that they have no income after taxes) and you don't even fund the federal government for a week.

Obama is merely conducting class warfare with no real solution in mind.

[Kelly]

The GOP is essentially committing voter fraud. Not to mention, I thought the parties weren't the ones who sent out voter registration cards. Doesn't each state's board of elections do that?

I guess this can join ACORN in the 14 states they are being investigated in.


I have a feeling this election is going to be a farce on both sides of the aisle......again the Judiciary Branch will choose our President for us.:whatever:

[DorkyFresh]

Obama is merely conducting class warfare with no real solution in mind.

what do you think Bush has been doing? what do you think McCain IS doing? neither of them have a solution in mind either.

[kainedamo]

Obama is merely conducting class warfare with no real solution in mind.

You're simply uninformed about his solutions.

[Lightning Strykez!]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/02/gall.michigan.gi.jpg

This picture says _________.

"That was made for tapping...Maverick-style."

*looks cautiously at Cindy*

[Superman4ever]

McCain breaks promise on ending pork barrel spending. Remember that bit about calling them out on it? Naming names?



http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/2/103533/393/707/617623

Yeah, yeah I know its dailykos, but it's a good point!

I TOLD YOU it was relevant.

NOW, McCain wants to Veto the bailout he voted for!

-i0su1roQLI

[Carcharodon]

What's wrong with it is that taxing the rich more has a neglible effect on government revenues. You could tax the income of everybody who makes $250,000 at 100% (meaning that they have no income after taxes) and you don't even fund the federal government for a week.

Obama is merely conducting class warfare with no real solution in mind.Yeah, way to ignore the millionaires and billionaires there, buddy.

[jaguarr]

Yeah, way to ignore the millionaires and billionaires there, buddy.

"Eat the rich!" - Lemmy

:up:

jag

[souvlaki]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/10/03/PH2008100301390.jpg

notice anything?

[WorthyStevens]

Wow. Is that for real? :huh:

[sasquatchs]

They did it again??

[The Senator]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/10/03/PH2008100301390.jpg

notice anything?

:lmao:

Famous Person???

My. God.

:dry:

[lazur]

Yeah, way to ignore the millionaires and billionaires there, buddy.

Increasing the tax burden on small and large businesses will have two results - fewer jobs and higher prices. Corporations DO NOT PAY TAX because ALL business-related expenses, including taxes, are passed along to employees and consumers.

As for rich people, there is currently an estimated 13 trillion dollars in overseas accounts NOW because rich people are sick of being taxed as heavily as they are and have been. The more these taxes become unfair, and the more 'class warfare' is emphasized by Democrats who love to redistribute wealth, the larger in size those bank accounts will become and the more likely rich people will be the MOVE OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.

Obama is going to take this country in the wrong direction. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for helping the middle class, but it won't do a whole lot of good to lower middle class taxes when they don't have jobs...

We go through this every election cycle. Uninformed people like to claim that taxes help the government and the economy, when in reality it can be proven that the opposite is true. Under Bush, for example, his tax cuts resulted in a TWENTY PERCENT INCREASE to federal revenue. History is your friend and we should, for once, start learning from it...

[Superman]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/10/03/PH2008100301390.jpg

notice anything?"Famous Person"??

They give a endorsment but never give the name.:huh:

[souvlaki]

Wow. Is that for real? :huh:

Indeed it is.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/03/palin_web_ad_cites_thumbs_up_f.html

[kainedamo]

Increasing the tax burden on small and large businesses will have two results - fewer jobs and higher prices. Corporations DO NOT PAY TAX because ALL business-related expenses, including taxes, are passed along to employees and consumers.

It's a good thing then that Obama intends to give tax relief to small businesses then, huh?

[Superman]

Indeed it is.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/03/palin_web_ad_cites_thumbs_up_f.htmlDid you see the story about how McCain put out an ad that said he won hours before the debate even happend?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8968/mccainxo2.jpg

:whatever:

[The Senator]

I wonder how Famous Person feels to be one of the few people in America who think she "killed" last night. It must be a lonely room.

[Überlibran]

If that whole 'being elected President thing' doesn't pan out, McCain is a shoe-in for the role of the Penguin in the next Batman movie. :hehe::hehe::grin:0r8hhShMyZw&eurl=

[StrainedEyes]

If that whole 'being elected President thing' doesn't pan out, McCain is a shoe-in for the role of the Penguin in the next Batman movie. :hehe::hehe::grin:0r8hhShMyZw&eurl=

:lmao:

If someone could edit on a top hat, monocle, and cigarette holder, I think this video would win McCain the election.

[jaguarr]

I wonder how Famous Person feels to be one of the few people in America who think she "killed" last night. It must be a lonely room.

If you can figure out which bank they are at, cashing their check, you can ask them.

jag

[BMM]

I think that may be a quote from Peggy Noonan during her interview with Brian Williams last night after the debate.

[souvlaki]

I think that may be a quote from Peggy Noonan during her interview with Brian Williams last night after the debate.

It is. But seriously, "famous person"? Either Noonan is on the take from the McCain camp or whoever is responsible for McCain's internet campaign is a moron.

[That-Guy]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/10/03/PH2008100301390.jpg

notice anything?

LMAO! That is some of the funniest sh** I have ever seen.

[gap5ewl]

Did you see the story about how McCain put out an ad that said he won hours before the debate even happend?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8968/mccainxo2.jpg

:whatever:

Whatsup with the creepy facial expression? ewwwwww

[Lightning Strykez!]

"Famous Person"??

They give a endorsment but never give the name.:huh:

LMAO!!!! This is just bordering on classic stupidity now.

[UA-Archangel]

Yeah, way to ignore the millionaires and billionaires there, buddy.

If you're going to fund social programs, you gotta have tax to get the money to do so. If taxing the rich at 100% is not going to do it, then you have to go down the income rungs to get the money, which means high taxes on upper middle class, middle class, and also the lower middle class.

I'd keep going down, but the poor classes don't have sufficient income to tax. The poor just get hit with higher prices on necessities instead.

That is what socialism is all about. It's not about the government helping you, as much as you're being owned by the government.

[Venom'sDad]

If you're going to fund social programs, you gotta have tax to get the money to do so. If taxing the rich at 100% is not going to do it, then you have to go down the income rungs to get the money, which means high taxes on upper middle class, middle class, and also the lower middle class.

I'd keep going down, but the poor classes don't have sufficient income to tax. The poor just get hit with higher prices on necessities instead.

That is what socialism is all about. It's not about the government helping you, as much as you're being owned by the government.

:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud:a pplaud

Bravo Sir, Bravo

[Marx]

So has John McCain's decision to pull out of Michigan been discussed yet?

[The Senator]

So has John McCain's decision to pull out of Michigan been discussed yet?

John McCain is treading on thin water if he hopes to win this thing. Granted, he had no chance in hell of winning Michigan, considering the state as a whole has not voted for a Republican in a national election in twenty years. But pulling out of the largest swing state he has a chance of winning, aside from Ohio and Florida, is political suicide.

It is bad enough Wisconsin, Minnesota and Pennsylvania look like lost causes [coincidentally, Politico lists those three states as 'must wins' for McCain], but now that he's pulled out of Michigan, his hopes are already eradicating.

Today, 270towin.com has McCain-Palin with a 1% of winning the election. It doesn't look very good for them, and this announcement only hurts his campaign more.

Of course, I had to laugh when I read Sarah Palin's email response to this news... which was something along the lines of "c'mon guys, shouldn't we stay?" :lmao:


oh, and the reason why I'm laughing is because she literally used the phrase "c'mon guys'"

[Marx]

John McCain is treading on thin water if he hopes to win this thing. Granted, he had no chance in hell of winning Michigan, considering the state as a whole has not voted for a Republican in a national election in twenty years. But pulling out of the largest swing state he has a chance of winning, aside from Ohio and Florida, is political suicide.

It is bad enough Wisconsin, Minnesota and Pennsylvania look like lost causes [coincidentally, Politico lists those three states as 'must wins' for McCain], but now that he's pulled out of Michigan, his hopes are already eradicating.

Today, 270towin.com has McCain-Palin with a 1% of winning the election. It doesn't look very good for them, and this announcement only hurts his campaign more.

Of course, I had to laugh when I read Sarah Palin's email response to this news... which was something along the lines of "c'mon guys, shouldn't we stay?" :lmao:


oh, and the reason why I'm laughing is because she literally used the phrase "c'mon guys'"

I'm not at all surprised after seeing her overly-folksy performance in the debate. SAY IT AIN'T SO JOE! :whatever:

[Knives]

Isn't it funny that she didn't find out about the abandoning of Michigan from the campaign, but from the media? Good to see she has SUCH a high standing in the campaign besides being a glorified prop.

[Marx]

Isn't it funny that she didn't find out about the abandoning of Michigan from the campaign, but from the media? Good to see she has SUCH a high standing in the campaign besides being a glorified prop.

Has that been confirmed yet? I have been away from all forms of media today.

[StrainedEyes]

Has that been confirmed yet? I have been away from all forms of media today.

The Republican vice presidential nominee, on the heels of her debate with Joe Biden, also took a second stab at questions that seemed to trip her up during recent interviews, declaring that she looks "forward to speaking to the media more and more every day."

Palin said the decision to pull out of Michigan, which was announced Thursday, was "not a surprise" to her since polls show McCain slipping in the state.

But Palin said that when she read the news, she "fired off a quick e-mail and said, 'Oh come on, do we have to?'"

"Todd and I, we'd be happy to get to Michigan ...We'd be so happy to speak to the people there in Michigan who are hurting," she said. "Whatever Todd and I can do in realizing what their challenges in that state are .... I wanna get back to Michigan and I want to try."

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/03/palin-disputes-michigan-pullout-takes-second-stab-gotcha-questions/

[Marx]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/03/palin-disputes-michigan-pullout-takes-second-stab-gotcha-questions/

Wow... :wow:

[StrainedEyes]

Wow... :wow:

At around 5:00 she starts on about it.

aIWns9ieUv4

[The Senator]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/03/palin-disputes-michigan-pullout-takes-second-stab-gotcha-questions/

Sigh.

FOX News tried to make her look smart, apparently, by spelling out the phrase "come on."

Considering her email, as stated by Politico, said "c'mon."

Sillies.

[Marx]

At around 5:00 she starts on about it.

aIWns9ieUv4

I've come to the conclusion that listening to her is like listening to nails on a chalk board.

*shudders*

[StrainedEyes]

I've come to the conclusion that listening to her is like listening to nails on a chalk board.

*shudders*

Say it ain't so.

[jaguarr]

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081004/POLITICS01/810040377

Saturday, October 4, 2008
Dems suspicious of McCain pullout
Obama camp sticks to Mich. game plan; some strategists wonder if GOP move is a trick.
Gordon Trowbridge and Deb Price / Detroit News Washington Bureau

On the day after John McCain scratched Michigan from the battleground state list, Barack Obama's campaign said it would pretend the whole announcement never happened, Democrats wondered if it was all a trick, and Sarah Palin asked for a second chance to win over the state's voters.

"We're not going to be left flat-footed here," an Obama campaign source said Friday. The source, who was not authorized to speak publicly, said there has been no discussion within the campaign of moving staff to other states, as the McCain campaign said Thursday it will do. For now, Obama's television ads remain on the air, and the campaign will continue its aggressive field organizing efforts, including a voter registration drive before Michigan's Monday deadline.

That will be welcome news to Democratic insiders, who fretted Friday about the possibility of a McCain ruse to lull them into complacency and of fears the Obama campaign would let up on its efforts here.

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"I was depressed," Democratic National Committee member Debbie Dingell said Friday of the hours after McCain's decision. "I knew immediately it meant both campaigns would be pulling out resources."

Some Republicans were unhappy too -- and not just those in Michigan.

"I want to get back to Michigan and I want to try," GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin told Fox News Channel on Friday.

"I read that this morning and I fired off a quick e-mail and said, 'Oh come on, you know, do we have to? Do we have to call it there?' " Palin said.

The interview got Michigan GOP activist Chuck Yob so excited he e-mailed Palin.

"I hereby invite you to come to Michigan immediately," wrote Yob, a co-chairman of McCain's Michigan campaign. "The good people of Macomb County, Northern Michigan, the Upper Peninsula, and Grand Rapids await your response."
'I don't think it's true'

That will only stoke fears among suspicious Democrats. One Democratic consultant with extensive Michigan experience floated the possibility that McCain's move was a feint, designed to lure Obama away from what had been considered a crucial swing state as recently as two weeks ago. "They want us to take our foot off the accelerator," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

That's on the minds of some rank-and-file Democrats, too.

"I don't think it's true," Obama supporter Steve Winear said about McCain's pullout, while at Thursday's rally in East Lansing. "John McCain is all gimmicks and gadgets. With John McCain, it's fourth-and-long every day."

The Obama campaign source expressed surprise that McCain, who had been airing a massive TV ad campaign in Michigan, abruptly decided to pull back. But the source noted that the Republican National Committee was still airing roughly $1 million worth of ads in Michigan markets, and that the National Rifle Association and other independent groups are continuing to attack Obama with TV and mailed advertising.

There are no plans to pull Obama's advertising, the source said, though the size of the ad buys may shrink depending on what McCain and other advertisers do.

Notable Obama supporters are also set to appear in Michigan, from rapper Jay-Z and actor Sean Astin this weekend to Bruce Springsteen on Monday. Similar future visits have not been canceled, the source said.

Obama and running mate Joe Biden, who have made a rush of recent visits to Michigan, likely would not have been in the state again soon regardless of McCain's plans, the source said. But Obama is likely to be back at some point in the campaign's final four weeks.
Rep races may feel impact

Democrats hope, and Republicans fear, that McCain's retreat will harm other GOP candidates, including U.S. Reps. Joe Knollenberg of Bloomfield Hills and Tim Walberg of Tipton, vulnerable incumbents who have been targeted by national Democratic strategists.

"I think this could demoralize Republicans," said former Gov. James Blanchard, a Hillary Clinton supporter in the primaries who now backs Obama. "This could be very bad for Knollenberg and Walberg."

"It could have a significant impact," said Nathan Gonzales, a House analyst with the nonpartisan Rothenberg Political Report. If the McCain campaign isn't working to boost Republican voter turnout in Michigan, Knollenberg and Walberg may have to shift their own scarce resources from TV ads to get-out-the-vote efforts, he said.

With the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee spending aggressively on behalf of challengers Gary Peters and Mark Schauer, the Republicans "are already going to get outspent. Now it could get tougher," Gonzales said.

Knollenberg's race against former lottery commissioner Peters is rated a toss up by Congressional Quarterly and Cook Political Report; Rothenberg rates Knollenberg a slight favorite. The eight-term incumbent vowed to make up any deficit with dedication.

"I knew I was going to be targeted and that means I have to be prepared for everything," he said. "I believe we have one of the best ground games. We have the best operation going. Mr. McCain may even be back. Who knows? I believe I can win. It isn't going to be easy."

Walberg's race against Schauer, a state senator, is rated a toss-up by all three closely watched publications. He wasn't available for comment Friday, but his campaign issued a statement declaring, "the grassroots is energized in our district and we are very confident heading into Election Day."

jag

[jaguarr]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100303738.html?hpid=topnews

McCain Plans Fiercer Strategy Against Obama

By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 4, 2008; A01

Sen. John McCain and his Republican allies are readying a newly aggressive assault on Sen. Barack Obama's character, believing that to win in November they must shift the conversation back to questions about the Democrat's judgment, honesty and personal associations, several top Republicans said.

With just a month to go until Election Day, McCain's team has decided that its emphasis on the senator's biography as a war hero, experienced lawmaker and straight-talking maverick is insufficient to close a growing gap with Obama. The Arizonan's campaign is also eager to move the conversation away from the economy, an issue that strongly favors Obama and has helped him to a lead in many recent polls.

"We're going to get a little tougher," a senior Republican operative said, indicating that a fresh batch of television ads is coming. "We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon. There's no question that we have to change the subject here," said the operative, who was not authorized to discuss strategy and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Being so aggressive has risks for McCain if it angers swing voters, who often say they are looking for candidates who offer a positive message about what they will do. That could be especially true this year, when frustration with Washington politics is acute and a desire for specifics on how to fix the economy and fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is strong.

Robert Gibbs, a top Obama adviser, dismissed the new McCain strategy. "This isn't 1988," he said. "I don't think the country is going to be distracted by the trivial." He added that Obama will continue to focus on the economy, saying that Americans will remain concerned about the country's economic troubles even as the Wall Street crisis eases somewhat.

Moments after the House of Representatives approved a bailout package for Wall Street on Friday afternoon, the McCain campaign released a television ad that challenges Obama's honesty and asks, "Who is Barack Obama?" The ad alleges that "Senator Obama voted 94 times for higher taxes. Ninety-four times. He's not truthful on taxes." The charge that Obama voted 94 times for higher taxes has been called misleading by independent fact-checkers, who have noted that the majority of those votes were on nonbinding budget resolutions.

A senior campaign official called the ad "just the beginning" of commercials that will "strike the new tone" in the campaign's final days. The official said the "aggressive tone" will center on the question of "whether this guy is ready to be president."

McCain's only positive commercial, called "Original Mavericks," has largely been taken off the air, according to Evan Tracey of the Campaign Media Analysis Group, which tracks political ads.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's performance at Thursday night's debate embodied the new approach, as she used every opportunity to question Obama's honesty and fitness to serve as president. At one point she said, "Barack Obama voted against funding troops [in Iraq] after promising that he would not do so."

Palin kept up the attack yesterday, saying in an interview on Fox News that Obama is "reckless" and that some of what he has said, "in my world, disqualifies someone from consideration as the next commander in chief."

McCain hinted Thursday that a change is imminent, perhaps as soon as next week's debate. Asked at a Colorado town hall, "When are you going to take the gloves off?" the candidate grinned and replied, "How about Tuesday night?"

Yesterday in Pueblo, Colo., McCain made clear that he intends to press Obama on a variety of familiar GOP themes during the debate, as he accused the Democrat once again of getting ready to raise taxes and increase government spending.

"I guarantee you, you're going to learn a lot about who's the liberal and who's the conservative and who wants to raise your taxes and who wants to lower them," McCain said.

A senior aide said the campaign will wait until after Tuesday's debate to decide how and when to release new commercials, adding that McCain and his surrogates will continue to cast Obama as a big spender, a high taxer and someone who talks about working across the aisle but doesn't deliver.

Two other top Republicans said the new ads are likely to hammer the senator from Illinois on his connections to convicted Chicago developer Antoin "Tony" Rezko and former radical William Ayres, whom the McCain campaign regularly calls a domestic terrorist because of his acts of violence against the U.S. government in the 1960s.

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. appears to be off limits after McCain condemned the North Carolina Republican Party in April for an ad that linked Obama to his former pastor, saying, "Unfortunately, all I can do is, in as visible a way as possible, disassociate myself from that kind of campaigning."

McCain advisers said the new approach is in part a reaction to Obama, whose rhetoric on the stump and in commercials has also become far harsher and more aggressive.

They noted that Obama has run television commercials for months linking McCain to lobbyists and hinting at a lack of personal ethics -- an allegation that particularly rankles McCain, aides said.

Campaigning in Abington, Pa., yesterday, Obama continued to focus on the economy, even as he lashed out at McCain.

"He's now going around saying, 'I'm going to crack down on Wall Street' . . . but the truth is he's been saying 'I'm all for deregulation' for 26 years," Obama said. "He hasn't been getting tough on CEOs. He hasn't been getting tough on Wall Street. . . . Suddenly a crisis comes and the polls change, and suddenly he's out there talking like Jesse Jackson."

Obama highlighted a new report showing a reduction of more than 159,000 jobs last month, and he linked the bad economic news to McCain and Palin.

"Governor Palin said to Joe Biden that our plan to get our economy out of the ditch was somehow a job-killing plan; that's what she said," Obama told a crowd of thousands. "I wonder if she turned on the news this morning. . . . When Senator McCain and his running mate talk about job killing, that's something they know a thing or two about, because the policies they've supported and are supporting are killing jobs in America every single day."

McCain issued a statement yesterday saying the bailout bill "is not perfect, and it is an outrage that it's even necessary. But we must stop the damage to our economy done by corrupt and incompetent practices on Wall Street and in Washington."

Speaking in Pueblo just as the House was finishing deliberations on the package, McCain blamed fellow lawmakers for the failure to adequately regulate the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"It was the Democrats and some Republicans in the Congress who pushed back and did not allow those reforms to take place, and that's a major reason we are in the trouble we are in today," he said. "Those members of Congress ought to be held accountable on November 4th as well."

Before the bailout crisis, aides said, McCain was succeeding in focusing attention on Obama's record and character. Now, they say, he must return to those subjects.

"We are looking for a very aggressive last 30 days," said Greg Strimple, one of McCain's top advisers. "We are looking forward to turning a page on this financial crisis and getting back to discussing Mr. Obama's aggressively liberal record and how he will be too risky for Americans."

They're going back to the well. I wonder if there's any water left in it?

jag

[Marx]

They're going back to the well. I wonder if there's any water left in it?

jag

Doubtful...but that won't stop them from trying.

[jaguarr]

Doubtful...but that won't stop them from trying.

I think it's suicide. It's going to prompt a "The country is falling apart. The economy is in the toilet. Job loss rates are accelerating. Our national debt is so astronomical it's halfway to Mars and climbing. Our education system is failing our children and leaving them behind the rest of the world. And THIS is what you want to talk about? With all these other problems, THIS is what you want to talk about? Seriously?" response from the Obama Campaign. It will make McCain look petty and small. The whole election has been reframed by the economic crisis and the other problems we're facing and if Obama sticks to those issues and takes the tactic I mentioned above, it will absolutely kill McCain's campaign. Dead. Not to mention that McCain's own Rogue's Gallery of questionable associations is miles longer and much more serious than Obama's, as I have mentioned in here many times before. He's inviting a lot of collateral damage at a time when he can't afford it.

jag

[Knives]

McCain is literally DREAMING if he thinks he can take the nations focus away from the economy. Things are just too messed up, and the bad news keeps spilling out for people to just suddenly forget or get distracted by anymore cheap gimmicks. McCain has done irreparable damage to his campaign already with his erratic, incoherent response to all that's been going on with the economy. He truly has no leg to stand on with it. So all these negatives, they are basically the ONLY thing he has left. But when people start demanding SUBSTANCE out of him, he offers nothing. This is his last play, his last bit of desperation. If it doesn't do anything to Obama's lead, then McCain has nothing left and this election is over. As it is I doubt they are going to do anything to help him. Not with how things are now at least.

[Fading]

Wow... :wow:

Their whole campaign is so badly mismanaged they're defeating themselves. I may not be Palin's biggest fan, but leaving her in the dark about a big decision is just setting yourself up and showing everyone you think she's irrelavent. If they can't...refuse to include her in decisions like this before she even gets in office, what's it say about their confidence in her?

McCain's anger issues, the constant flat out lies in the attack ads, the catch phrases, Palin, the suspension of his campaign while continuing to campaign, the bragging and taking credit of a bad bill that failed anyway, the blasting of Obama for voting on things that McCain himself voted on....it just keeps going on. At this point I'd like to say McCain should clearly not win just based on his mistakes, but I have a feeling his base will ignore or completely look past it. I'd say he shouldn't shouldn't technically be considered for a win, but it wouldn't surprise me at the same time.

[lazur]

It's a good thing then that Obama intends to give tax relief to small businesses then, huh?

When he was giving his speech (or maybe it was Biden during the debate, I forget), he/they talked about most small business owners making less than 250k a year, in which case that business owner wouldn't have a tax increase. However, most small businesses are incorporated, which means the *business* income is what's being taxed. For example, if I own a small business and my own salary is 200k a year, but my business grosses 1 million a year before expenses, business and payroll taxes will be increased on my business. When that happens, the money has to come from somewhere, which means as a business owner, I'm not going to absorb taxes on a million dollars with my 200k salary, so that additional tax is passed along to my consumers and my employees. In such a case, the tax burden restricts growth of my company, and will most likely cause me to have to cut costs somewhere. Where do you think those costs would have to be cut?

I don't care what the tax is, you do not RAISE taxes to stimulate an economy and that's a historical fact. If Obama raises taxes on corporations, he will further harm the economy.

And since WHEN were 'corporations' deemed worthy of PENALTY. Since when did it become an effing crime to own and grow a company in this country?? Our small businesses and corporations are ALREADY doing more and more business OUTSIDE of our country BECAUSE of the tax burden. What do you think would happen to this country if it became more attractive for businesses to do business anywhere BUT our own country?

[Whirlysplat]

Our education system is failing our children and leaving them behind the rest of the world.

Thet's why I think the voting age needs raising in the U.S.

:yay:

[ManofmyWord]

Thet's why I think the voting age needs raising in the U.S.

:yay:

Care to Elaborate?

[Whirlysplat]

Care to Elaborate?

Not really, the statement seems pretty self explanatory.

[ShadowBoxing]

Thet's why I think the voting age needs raising in the U.S.

:yay:
Oh, Oh, I got a great idea....how about you stop trolling the political forums.

[Whirlysplat]

Oh, Oh, I got a great idea....how about you stop trolling the political forums.

trolling haha, as if.

Seriously though, if education in the U.S.A. is that bad wouldn't raising the voting age be a good idea. At least then the voters, whilst still being not being academic, would have life experience.

[ShadowBoxing]

trolling haha, as if.

Seriously though, if education in the U.S.A. is that bad wouldn't raising the voting age be a good idea. At least then the voters, whilst still being not being academic, would have life experience.
Young people in this country don't vote in high numbers anyways, so no, you're idea wouldn't correct a damn thing.

[Whirlysplat]

Young people in this country don't vote in high numbers anyways, so no, you're idea wouldn't correct a damn thing.

This election may well be different as Obama has actively sought the [sic] yoof vote.

[StrainedEyes]

This election may well be different as Obama has actively sought the [sic] yoof vote.

The youth/college vote, I think, will be one of the major factors that get him elected.

[ShadowBoxing]

This election may well be different as Obama has actively sought the [sic] yoof vote.
Democrats usually do, but if you think the voting age needs to be raised because they are somehow "stupider" than the rest of us, you're wrong about that.

[lazur]

Democrats usually do, but if you think the voting age needs to be raised because they are somehow "stupider" than the rest of us, you're wrong about that.

I've talked to a multitude of my daughter's teenage friends, most of whom support Obama, but know absolutely nothing about the man other than that their parents like him and he's a good looking, smooth-talking politician. Beyond that, they know nothing about the issues or why they'd vote for him.

On the other hand, those who are McCain supporters tend to listen to talk radio and/or form an opinion based on actual knowledge of what's going on. Granted, there are still a few McCain supporters who know nothing about the issues, and who would vote (if they were 18) based purely on their parents' choice, but for the most part kids at 18 years of age are casting a vote for a politician they know nothing about. In my test 'sample' the lack of knowledge of a candidate was by far much greater for those who like Obama than McCain.

[Gilpesh]

In my test 'sample' the lack of knowledge of a candidate was by far much greater for those who like Obama than McCain.

:whatever:

I'd like to point you to an episode of Penn & Teller's Bulls**t that deals with test sampling and polling.

[jaguarr]

In my test 'sample' the lack of knowledge of a candidate was by far much greater for those who like Obama than McCain.

Ahhhahahahaha! How very scientific of you. :lmao:

jag

[jaguarr]

Thet's why I think the voting age needs raising in the U.S.

:yay:

That's ignoring the problem and not getting younger people to care about politics and get involved so they'll educate themselves on the issues and the candidates and think about what really matters to them. Fail. :)

jag

[Gilpesh]

Thet's why I think the voting age needs raising in the U.S.

:yay:

Then we can make sure people in the middle of the country who are more likely to vote "Guy/Gal I can have a gosh darn beer" can't vote either.

[Whirlysplat]

Then we can make sure people in the middle of the country who are more likely to vote "Guy/Gal I can have a gosh darn beer" can't vote either.

*shakes head* [sic] wat?

[hitmanyr2k]

Thet's why I think the voting age needs raising in the U.S.

:yay:

I guess that would also mean raising the age limit on people that can enter the military. I couldn't imagine serving my country in combat and not having the right to vote because of my age...seems very stupid to me.

[Whirlysplat]

I guess that would also mean raising the age limit on people that can enter the military. I couldn't imagine serving my country in combat and not having the right to vote because of my age...seems very stupid to me.

No! Service means citizenship!