The McCain Thread

[The Senator]

The Republicans need to get over the whole Reagan factor. Seriously, the collective mancrush the Republican party has on that guy is about twelve times as gay as Greenwich Village.

[jaguarr]

The Republicans need to get over the whole Reagan factor. Seriously, the collective mancrush the Republican party has on that guy is about twelve times as gay as Greenwich Village.

Yeah, and his Reaganomics and Iran-Contra legacies (among other things) aren't exactly things to be proud of. Yet they conjure up his spectre continuously.

jag

[Marx]

The Republicans need to get over the whole Reagan factor. Seriously, the collective mancrush the Republican party has on that guy is about twelve times as gay as Greenwich Village.

What other great modern Republican President are they supposed to invoke instead? Bush One? Bush Two? I don't think so.

[The Senator]

What other great modern Republican President are they supposed to invoke instead? Bush One? Bush Two? I don't think so.

Teddy Roosevelt would be a good start...

[Marx]

Teddy Roosevelt would be a good start...

That's true.

[sithgoblin]

John McCain Says He Needs More Sleep
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/john-mccain-say.html

[The Senator]

John McCain Says He Needs More Sleep
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/john-mccain-say.html

*refrains from making McCain death joke*

[Kelly]

As far as the c*** rumor goes, it was first published in a book, and the reporters that heard it were not named, and it has never actually been found as truth, only her through unnamed sources....

As far as the ad.....


Just another example of childish stupidity being shown by both campaigns. I'm pretty much sick and tired of it, as are many, many, many independents. It may backfire on both of these campaigns, and many independents will join me in taking our right to vote, and holding it for another presidential election year.

[Überlibran]

As far as the c*** rumor goes, it was first published in a book, and the reporters that heard it were not named, and it has never actually been found as truth, only her through unnamed sources....

As far as the ad.....


Just another example of childish stupidity being shown by both campaigns. I'm pretty much sick and tired of it, as are many, many, many independents. It may backfire on both of these campaigns, and many independents will join me in taking our right to vote, and holding it for another presidential election year.The trollop-c*** thing was also witnessed by McCain's then-campaign aide Doug Cole and his consultant Wes Gullett, but the reporters did request anonymity. What pisses you off about both the candidate's ads?

[Kelly]

The trollop-c*** thing was also witnessed by McCain's then-campaign aide Doug Cole and his consultant Wes Gullett, but the reporters did request anonymity. What pisses you off about both the candidate's ads?


I believe I said it in my post.......they are childish, and have NOTHING to do with issues, or the people of this country.


It is pretty sad when the only ad so far that has solidly hit a big issue of that the people care about was the "Paris Hilton" ad, well that says alot right there.

[Kelly]

J.C. Watts would be a good choice, but he said no to it months ago.....




If McCain picks L. Graham, it will be the culmination of the worst campaign in the history of presidential campaigns..........so hey you may be right, it would certainly be par for the course.

[The Senator]

J.C. Watts would be a good choice, but he said no to it months ago.....




If McCain picks L. Graham, it will be the culmination of the worst campaign in the history of presidential campaigns..........so hey you may be right, it would certainly be par for the course.

Rumor has it Lindsey Graham is gay, so I think picking Graham may be the best thing for the Democrats.

[Überlibran]

I believe I said it in my post.......they are childish, and have NOTHING to do with issues, or the people of this country. I'm a democrat and of course biased for Obama, but I think his at least somewhat attempts to address issues, and if the ad goes after McCain it's about his shortcomings on issues or his record.

[Kelly]

Rumor has it Lindsey Graham is gay, so I think picking Graham may be the best thing for the Democrats.

Meh, he's just alittle southern metro.......lol

[The Senator]

Meh, he's just alittle southern metro.......lol

And a very attractive lifelong bachelor....

[Kelly]

I'm sorry, but this is the worst, most childish, most egotistical of any presidential campaigns that I have ever seen. As an educator, it will be like swallowing vomit as I take my students into November.

McCain is an "old jack of asses, dumb ass" and Obama is an "arrogant jack of asses".......and I doubt that even debates are going to change my opinion. To be honest, the debates will probably only strengthen my opinion.

[The Senator]

Both candidates "somewhat attempt" to address the issues. Only problem is, no one pays attention to McCain when he addresses the issues, so he has to attack Obama with negative ads to receive media coverage.

[Überlibran]

I'm sorry, but this is the worst, most childish, most egotistical presidential campaigns that I have ever seen. As an educator, it will be like swallowing vomit as I take my student's into November.Dude, I've seen worse. But I do agree McCain's being childish. He spent so much time being whining about how Obama was getting all of the attention of the press, and now he turns around and limits his availability to them. What's that about?

[Kelly]

And a very attractive lifelong bachelor....


True, but I have several friends that are far from gay, but they just chose to stay single, it was just a choice, they enjoy the company of the opposite sex, they just don't like the "M" word....I happen to not be fond of the "M" word myself...lol.......but hey you could very well be right.

[Kelly]

Dude, I've seen worse. But I do agree McCain's being childish. He spent so much time being whining about how Obama was getting all of the attention of the press, and now he turns around and limits his availability to them. What's that about?


Well Dude, I disagree.......but thats ok.......:word:

[The Senator]

I don't know, this picture seems to speak for itself:

http://www.outsidethetent.com/photos/graham_bottom.jpg

[Kelly]

Yeah, those damn red "X"'s bring people out of the closet every time.....lmao.

[The Senator]

I see it just fine on my computer...

[Überlibran]

Well Dude, I disagree.......but thats ok.......:word:Lol, alright :word:. I just hate the fact that this campaign will probably get worse as the season goes along...

[Kelly]

I see it just fine on my computer...


My computer doesn't have very good "gay-dar"......:cwink:

[The Senator]

Well then the joke is shot to ****.

It's a picture of Graham holding a sign which reads "I'm a big ole nelly bottom."

[Marx]

Yeah, those damn red "X"'s bring people out of the closet every time.....lmao.

:lmao:

[The Senator]

Here, it's at this link:

http://www.outsidethetent.com/photos/graham_bottom.jpg

[hippie_hunter]

Out of the top choices (Romney and Pawlenty), I'm willing to bet that it will end up being Romney. He brings a great fundraising ability, he's good at challenging Obama. He can help win Michigan. He can probably get most conservatives to shut the hell up about McCain. And his major strength was the economy.

Out of the dark horses (Lieberman, Palin, Powell, and Ridge), I'd bet with Palin. Overall, the national media doesn't really know about her scandal and it seems to be more of a very petty one than one of actual importance and if investigators find her innocent then it'll fly over. McCain has been considered to want a woman or minority. And she's compatible with McCain's stances.

[Matt]

McCain chief won't rule out one-term pledge
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0808/McCain_chief_wont_rule_out_oneterm_pledge.html

I honestly think if McCain does it, he wins. People are sick of partisan politics and are sick of candidates who are only looking to serve themselves. Promising only one term shows that McCain is to an extent above that. But I don't think he will. McCain feels entitled. He paid his dues, and he feels its his time to have eight years.

[Matt]

I'm sorry, but this is the worst, most childish, most egotistical of any presidential campaigns that I have ever seen. As an educator, it will be like swallowing vomit as I take my students into November.

McCain is an "old jack of asses, dumb ass" and Obama is an "arrogant jack of asses".......and I doubt that even debates are going to change my opinion. To be honest, the debates will probably only strengthen my opinion.

Kel summed up my views perfectly :up:

[Marx]

I honestly think if McCain does it, he wins. People are sick of partisan politics and are sick of candidates who are only looking to serve themselves. Promising only one term shows that McCain is to an extent above that. But I don't think he will. McCain feels entitled. He paid his dues, and he feels its his time to have eight years.

Even if he does promise one term (which I don't believe he will because of said entitlement,) who is to say that he won't renig?

[Matt]

Even if he does promise one term (which I don't believe he will because of said entitlement,) who is to say that he won't renig?

If he tried to renig, basically every Republican hopeful in the country would try to oust him via the primary and because of his promise, he may very well lose. He would destroy his legacy and go down as one of history's biggest jack asses. If he makes the promise, he'll have no choice but to keep it. It would be a brilliant campaign move...but I doubt he'll do it.

[Matt]

I can't see McCain taking ego out of the equation and going with anyone but the guy he likes. That, IMO, brings it down to Pawlenty and Lieberman and Lieberman said no.

[Marx]

If he tried to renig, basically every Republican hopeful in the country would try to oust him via the primary and because of his promise, he may very well lose. He would destroy his legacy and go down as one of history's biggest jack asses. If he makes the promise, he'll have no choice but to keep it. It would be a brilliant campaign move...but I doubt he'll do it.

Yeah, because we all know how much politicians like to keep their promises! :oldrazz:

[Matt]

It would be McCain's "no new taxes." There are some promises in politics you just can't renig on. That would be one of them.

[Marx]

I can't see McCain taking ego out of the equation and going with anyone but the guy he likes. That, IMO, brings it down to Pawlenty and Lieberman and Lieberman said no.

You heard it hear first! Matt's calling it!

P A W L E N T Y!

:cwink:

[Marx]

It would be McCain's "no new taxes." There are some promises in politics you just can't renig on. That would be one of them.

I would be very surprised if he pulled that stunt. Then again, if it would help his chances of winning a close contest, it could sway some peoples minds.

[Matt]

I think it would ensure he wins the independent vote. But like I said, he feels entitled. He probably won't do it.

[Marx]

I think it would ensure he wins the independent vote. But like I said, he feels entitled. He probably won't do it.

But he's not going get the independent vote if he picks a hardcore conservative as his running mate. His turn towards the harder right is already turning off some.

[Matt]

Hmm, I dunno. I think McCain's advisors are probably telling him Romney or Palin. Powell would be good if it were not for the fact that he is tied so deeply to Bush...furthermore, Powell's only reason for being on the ticket would be to bring in the black vote and frankly, he won't sway enough black voters from Obama to make a difference. Ridge won't deliver PA, so he is moot. Plus he has ties to Bush as well. So yeah, I imagine McCain's advisors are telling him to pick Romney or Palin...probably Romney due to Palin's scandal (no matter how moot) and fund raising.

But McCain likes Pawlenty and I just can't see McCain taking his ego out of the equation and picking the guy he doesn't like, regardless of if that guy could very well give him the election.

[Matt]

I don't see any of his short listers outside of Ridge being so conservative that they will alienate independents. And Ridge isn't all the conservative, more just tied to Bush. The only person so conservative they would've alienated indies was Jindal and he removed himself from the running.

[The Senator]

I'm still going to say that Rep. Eric Cantor is a probable choice at this point. He's young, high ranking, Jewish and from Virginia. He is regarded as a true conservative and would definitely appeal to the Republican base.

Pawlenty won't put Minnesota into the Republican column, Romney won't deliver Michigan, Palin is inexperienced and comes from one of the least important states in the country, Joe Lieberman is too liberal (and too old), Ridge is past his prime, and Powell is not only too old, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who wants the job. At this point, Cantor is McCain's best pick if he wants to please just about everyone in the GOP and if he has any shot at wooing independent voters.

[The Senator]

It would be McCain's "no new taxes." There are some promises in politics you just can't renig on. That would be one of them.

I thought McCain's speech two weeks ago where he said he wouldn't raise taxes was his "no new taxes"? :huh:

[Matt]

Hehe, touche.

[Matt]

I disagree with your assessment about Romney. Romney alone will not deliver Michigan. Romney combined with his millions of dollars dumping non-stop ads of Obama's treatment towards Michiganians during the whole primary fiasco could turn Michigan red.

[jaguarr]

McCain and Pawlenty are BFF! :heart: I'll be shocked if that's not his pick.

jag

[The Senator]

I disagree with your assessment about Romney. Romney alone will not deliver Michigan. Romney combined with his millions of dollars dumping non-stop ads of Obama's treatment towards Michiganians during the whole primary fiasco could turn Michigan red.

I think it will be an uphill battle and I strongly doubt that Michigan cares enough about him or the Democratic Primary to go red this year. Moreover, as long as McCain is accepting public financing, Romney won't be able to dump unlimited amounts of money into a state which has one of the highest advertising fees in the country. If Michigan was still up in arms over the Democratic Primary, then Obama would be consistently down in opinion polls from that state. The vast majority of polls I've read from Michigan show Obama ahead by 3-6 points. In a state where Democrats always squeak out minor victories, it seems most likely that the Democrats will continue to carry this state this year.

[jaguarr]

I thought McCain's speech two weeks ago where he said he wouldn't raise taxes was his "no new taxes"? :huh:

If only he'd have said "read my lips" somewhere in that speech. It would have been beautiful.

jag

[The Senator]

McCain and Pawlenty are BFF! :heart: I'll be shocked if that's not his pick.

jag

I believe Pawlenty is at the top of McCain's shortlist and is a very likely choice for the position. Which I think would be swell, since Pawlenty would be the equivalent of McCain picking a jar of mayonnaise as his running mate.

[jaguarr]

I believe Pawlenty is at the top of McCain's shortlist and is a very likely choice for the position. Which I think would be swell, since Pawlenty would be the equivalent of McCain picking a jar of mayonnaise* as his running mate.

*Lite mayonaisse. ;)

jag

[Kelly]

I think the first Bush was/is, one of the most intelligent people out there as far as foreign policy, hell social democratic professors even use many of his books when teaching foreign policy, I had one of those professors. But my god, his domestic policy sucked big time, and for McCain to EVEN get close to that stupidity is just ridiculous. NOW, IF he campaigned on "spending less", then he could make a good case, and MANY AMERICANS would certainly listen. But, only the 60+ straight Republican ticket voters will listen to this kind of crap, and they are going to vote for him anyway.

DOES HE NOT HAVE ANYONE IN HIS CAMPAIGN THAT IS 35 to 45 years old? That has some sort of thought process on what that age group wants and sees as important?

*shakes head*

[kainedamo]

I think McCain's negative attacks about Obama wanting to raise taxes are ridiculous. I mean, looking at the economic situation of the US, how the hell are ya gonna solve these issues without raising taxes somewhere??

[kytrigger]

I think it would ensure he wins the independent vote. But like I said, he feels entitled. He probably won't do it.
I think it wouldnot only ensure the independent vote, but it would actually look very favorable towards a somewhat large amount of democrats who either don't think Obama is that good of a choice, or just believe he is still too inexperienced at this time to become president. They might think that since they don't really like either of them, they might as well go for the the 4 year and just look forward to the next election.

while the number of democrats that think this wouldn't be gargantuan, I think that number plus the independent vote would definately lock in a win for McCain.

[Kelly]

I think McCain's negative attacks about Obama wanting to raise taxes are ridiculous. I mean, looking at the economic situation of the US, how the hell are ya gonna solve these issues without raising taxes somewhere??



BY NOT SPENDING SO DAMN MUCH........:o:o:o:cmad::cmad::cmad:



I feel strongly about this.....:yay:

[jaguarr]

I think the first Bush was/is, one of the most intelligent people out there as far as foreign policy, hell social democratic professors even use many of his books when teaching foreign policy, I had one of those professors. But my god, his domestic policy sucked big time, and for McCain to EVEN get close to that stupidity is just ridiculous. NOW, IF he campaigned on "spending less", then he could make a good case, and MANY AMERICANS would certainly listen. But, only the 60+ straight Republican ticket voters will listen to this kind of crap, and they are going to vote for him anyway.

DOES HE NOT HAVE ANYONE IN HIS CAMPAIGN THAT IS 35 to 45 years old? That has some sort of thought process on what that age group wants and sees as important?

*shakes head*

You nailed Bush Sr. perfectly; great foreign policy, terrible domestic policy.

BY NOT SPENDING SO DAMN MUCH........:o:o:o:cmad::cmad::cmad:



I feel strongly about this.....:yay:


I agree with this to an extent. Yes, we spend way too much but the money we do spend now is either spent unwisely and inefficiently or on the wrong damn things. Getting some of those things cleaned up would make a huge impact. Especially when coupled with a more frugal approach.

jag

[Kelly]

You nailed Bush Sr. perfectly; great foreign policy, terrible domestic policy.



I agree with this to an extent. Yes, we spend way too much but the money we do spend now is either spent unwisely and inefficiently or on the wrong damn things. Getting some of those things cleaned up would make a huge impact. Especially when coupled with a more frugal approach.

jag

Totally agree....

[StorminNorman]

Hmm, I dunno. I think McCain's advisors are probably telling him Romney or Palin. Powell would be good if it were not for the fact that he is tied so deeply to Bush...furthermore, Powell's only reason for being on the ticket would be to bring in the black vote and frankly, he won't sway enough black voters from Obama to make a difference. Ridge won't deliver PA, so he is moot. Plus he has ties to Bush as well. So yeah, I imagine McCain's advisors are telling him to pick Romney or Palin...probably Romney due to Palin's scandal (no matter how moot) and fund raising.

But McCain likes Pawlenty and I just can't see McCain taking his ego out of the equation and picking the guy he doesn't like, regardless of if that guy could very well give him the election.

Powell is not only a great VP for McCain - but the ideal Presidential Candidate for the GOP, IMO. He will not do it, however, because I believe he wants to stay out of politics after his mistreatment by the Bush Admin.

I think McCain values the Presidency over his ego - which is why I suspect he will pick Romney.

[rdh007]

He will not do it, however, because I believe he wants to stay out of politics after his mistreatment by the Bush Admin.
One of the great tragedies of the last eight years.

I think McCain values the Presidency over his ego
They do go hand in hand. I mean, his ego drives him to the presidency, but to get there, he's had to make compromises. This may be one of them.

[jaguarr]

McCain is also very, very, very big on loyalty and Pawlenty is his Best Friend Forever :heart: , so that shouldn't be discounted so easily.

jag

[StorminNorman]

Think about it though - if you want to award your BFF, would you do it by giving him one of the least powerful positions in American politics?

There are plenty of cushy gigs to give Pawlenty, if McCain REALLY wanted to reward loyalty.

[jaguarr]

Think about it though - if you want to award your BFF, would you do it by giving him one of the least powerful positions in American politics?

There are plenty of cushy gigs to give Pawlenty, if McCain REALLY wanted to reward loyalty.

Are you trying to apply logic to anything people in politics do? Seriously? :hehe:

jag

[StorminNorman]

Are you trying to apply logic to anything people in politics do? Seriously? :hehe:

jag

Very true.:csad:

[Kelly]

Yeah, thats kind of like applying logic to our education system.

[Marx]

Powell is not only a great VP for McCain - but the ideal Presidential Candidate for the GOP, IMO. He will not do it, however, because I believe he wants to stay out of politics after his mistreatment by the Bush Admin.

I think McCain values the Presidency over his ego - which is why I suspect he will pick Romney.

The fact that Powell went along with Bush's tactics and gave a grandiose (and misleading) speech to the UN about Iraq will haunt him forever. He's lost all credibility in my mind.

[StorminNorman]

The fact that Powell went along with Bush's tactics and gave a grandiose (and misleading) speech to the UN about Iraq will haunt him forever. He's lost all credibility in my mind.

You have to remember that Powell is always a solider first. He follows orders.

[Marx]

You have to remember that Powell is always a solider first. He follows orders.

That still doesn't excuse it in my mind Norm...

[moraldeficiency]

That still doesn't excuse it in my mind Norm...

Yeah but if we apply that across the board we wouldn't have any politicans left.

[Marx]

Yeah but if we apply that across the board we wouldn't have any politicans left.

Presenting a case for war that he knew was false and misleading is inexcusable to me.

[moraldeficiency]

Presenting a case for war that he knew was false and misleading is inexcusable to me.

that's fair.

[hippie_hunter]

Powell has come out and said that he completely regrets doing it and apologized for it.

[kainedamo]

BY NOT SPENDING SO DAMN MUCH

Well like jag says, its not so simple. Money has been spent inefficently, on all the wrong things.

To get out of the stump the US is in at the moment, taxes are gonna need to be raised somewhere. And then that money needs to be spent wisely to help stimulate businesses and such.

[Kelly]

I don't think so, I think getting earmarks under control.....and using the tax money already coming in more wisely will make a huge difference. AT LEAST, try these things and move on reform actions before just throwing money at a problem. Raising taxes should not be an answer to our problems, it should, IMO, be the last resort. BUT, to say that "it's not going to happen", yes is alittle naive. My hope is that it will be the last thing on the list of the house to take care of our debt....

[Kelly]

Yes he has.......a few times actually.

[Matt]

It wouldn't make a difference in terms of electability though. I do believe Powell fought againt the Iraq War and greatly regrets going along with it...but alas, his choice was made and it will haunt him if he ever tried to re-enter politics.

[Marx]

Powell has come out and said that he completely regrets doing it and apologized for it.

Yes he has.......a few times actually.

His apologies honestly make no difference to me. He knew it was wrong, but he chose to do it anyway.

[SuBe]

Raising Taxes has never helped a sagging economy, the Revenues made by private individuals need to be saved and re-invested into the Economic Infrastucture, not given to the Government to decide what is the next best Vote Buying Scheme. The Economy is a machine and Money is the Oil, take the oil away, and the machine stops. Anything Government can do, the Private Sector can do better.

[StrainedEyes]

Has this been posted?

Obama ad about McCain the celebrity.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/obama-turns-celebrity-tag-on-mccain/127135

[Excel]

Has this been posted?

Obama ad about McCain the celebrity.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/obama-turns-celebrity-tag-on-mccain/127135

:hehe:

But seriously, enough of these joke ad's.

[moraldeficiency]

His apologies honestly make no difference to me. He knew it was wrong, but he chose to do it anyway.

You've all convinced me there are no good politicans left. Moving to mexico.....

[The Senator]

You've all convinced me there are no good politicans left. Moving to mexico.....

:lmao:

Because Mexico doesn't have one of the most corrupt governments in the world....

[moraldeficiency]

:lmao:

Because Mexico doesn't have one of the most corrupt governments in the world....

emoticons are cool....


I don't care how corrupt, at least it's just accepted and understood rather than us being shocked when it turns out a douche like edwards was playing everyone from the start. You've got good tequila, sandy beaches and less constant crappiness like over here where if anyone isn't 100% pure they're unworthy of running gas stations. Sometimes I just feel like we're all drowning in self righteousness.

[Kelly]

Theres an island in the middle of the Pacific, uninhabited that I think has a government that is pure and right.

[rdh007]

Theres an island in the middle of the Pacific, uninhabited that I think has a government that is pure and right.
Actually it's former leader (pictured below) just left for parts unknown and he was anything but pure and right. Though it does have a power vacuum right now, so maybe MD can take over.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/Michael.jpg

[Kelly]

That's a plan.....

[Kelly]

*sighs*

I swear this is becoming like two 5 year olds showing who has the bigger willie....

[moraldeficiency]

Actually it's former leader (pictured below) just left for parts unknown and he was anything but pure and right. Though it does have a power vacuum right now, so maybe MD can take over.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/Michael.jpg

eh, I'm more a lord of the flies torture the fat kid kind of guy. Plus if I was there first thing I'd do is snap that twerps neck without a word or debate and probably ruin the planning for the rest of the show.

[rdh007]

Yeah, it was pretty obvious from the time they took him "captive" that they should've shot him. I felt like Scott Evil every time I'd discuss that with someone online or off during that time. "I've got a gun up in my room, lemme go get it, *boom!*--problem solved."

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, it was pretty obvious from the time they took him "captive" that they should've shot him. I felt like Scott Evil every time I'd discuss that with someone online or off during that time. "I've got a gun up in my room, lemme go get it, *boom!*--problem solved."

You know I kept doing the same thing. After the michael incident, they should have just straight up killed his ass the next time he was in choking range.

Sidenote: when the hell did ben become a master ninja?

[Marx]

*sighs*

I swear this is becoming like two 5 year olds showing who has the bigger willie....

:funny:

[SuBe]

*sighs*

I swear this is becoming like two 5 year olds showing who has the bigger willie....
That's a silly observation, we all know who has the bigger willie.

:Stereotype!:

[Kelly]

:funny:

That's a silly observation, we all know who has the bigger willie.

:Stereotype!:


LMAO.....



I......................I.......................... well.........................hmmmm.....I don't know what to say to that.....

[Kelly]

I have to say.......at this Pennsylvania townhall meeting, McCain had a VERY COOL introduction.....

They played the "Rocky Theme", which is kind of a "meh, duh" I know......but then the doors opened and they drove the "straight talk" bus right into the venue. VERY COOL.........VERY IMPRESSIVE........

[Marx]

I have to say.......at this Pennsylvania townhall meeting, McCain had a VERY COOL introduction.....

They played the "Rocky Theme", which is kind of a "meh, duh" I know......but then the doors opened and they drove the "straight talk" bus right into the venue. VERY COOL.........VERY IMPRESSIVE........

That does sound pretty cool! (minus the "Rocky Theme")

[Excel]

That's a silly observation, we all know who has the bigger willie.

:Stereotype!:

:up:

[jaguarr]

I have to say.......at this Pennsylvania townhall meeting, McCain had a VERY COOL introduction.....

They played the "Rocky Theme", which is kind of a "meh, duh" I know......but then the doors opened and they drove the "straight talk" bus right into the venue. VERY COOL.........VERY IMPRESSIVE........


Did he jump out of the bus while the Rocky theme played with his fists clenched and raised in the air directly above...er....in front of him, almost like Rocky?

:oldrazz:

jag

[Kelly]

Did he jump out of the bus while the Rocky theme played with his fists clenched and raised in the air directly above...er....in front of him, almost like Rocky?

:oldrazz:

jag


LMAO, you are so bad........that's just wrong...


























you're going to hell for that one.....:nono:

[jaguarr]

LMAO, you are so bad........that's just wrong...


























you're going to hell for that one.....:nono:


Well, at least his campaign team didn't pick "Raise Your Hands" by Bon Jovi as his entrance theme. :hehe:

jag

[Kelly]

Oh ****........I have to clean my desktop....damn it....

[SuBe]

Did he jump out of the bus while the Rocky theme played with his fists clenched and raised in the air directly above...er....in front of him, almost like Rocky?

:oldrazz:

jag
That's due to wounds received from being a POW, not nice!







or from being a Zombie....

[jaguarr]

That's due to wounds received from being a POW, not nice!







or from being a Zombie....

:lmao:

jag

[The Senator]

You know I kept doing the same thing. After the michael incident, they should have just straight up killed his ass the next time he was in choking range.

Sidenote: when the hell did ben become a master ninja?

I don't know, but that statement makes me glad I gave up on "Lost" two years ago.

[moraldeficiency]

I don't know, but that statement makes me glad I gave up on "Lost" two years ago.

that might have been for the best. Apparently for some reason ben is the biggest badass fighter on the island. I can't stop watching though, I'm freaking dying to see Sun (by far my favorite character, jack sucks donkeys) go medieval on those ****ers.

[Marx]

Well, at least his campaign team didn't pick "Raise Your Hands" by Bon Jovi as his entrance theme. :hehe:

jag

That's wrong on so many levels...



:hehe:

[sithgoblin]

Republicans and Military Men on McCain:

PdJUCU1UH2w

[Marx]

McCain open to picking pro-choice VP
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/13/mccain-open-to-picking-pro-choice-veep/

[Raiden]

McCain open to picking pro-choice VP
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/13/mccain-open-to-picking-pro-choice-veep/

It sounds like he's seriously considering Lieberman as his VP.

[Superman]

Abramoff scandal figure raises McCain money
Ralph Reed touts himself as a member of McCain's 'Victory 2008 Team'


WEST BLOOMFIELD, Mich. - A political strategist tied to the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal is helping raise money for John McCain, urging his fellow Georgia Republicans to attend a fundraiser for the presidential candidate in Atlanta.

Ralph Reed, former director of the Christian Coalition, touted himself as a member of McCain's "Victory 2008 Team" in an e-mail that solicited donations on McCain's behalf. The Republican National Committee is hosting the fundraiser set for an Atlanta hotel on Aug. 18.

A House investigative committee in 2006 found that Reed interceded with the Bush White House to help some of Abramoff's clients. Reed's public relations firm also received $4.2 million from Abramoff to mobilize Christian voters to fight the opening of casinos that could compete with Abramoff's Indian tribe clients.

Reed later said he regretted the actions, which contributed to his 2006 Republican primary loss in a bid to be Georgia's lieutenant governor. Abramoff went to prison for conspiracy, mail fraud and tax evasion.

McCain led a Senate investigation into Abramoff's dealings with Indian tribes, which included information about his ties to Reed. McCain said in a November 2007 presidential debate: "I led in the Abramoff hearings in the, in the obscure Indian Affairs Committee, for which people are still testifying and going to jail."

On Wednesday, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean criticized what he called "McCain's decision to cozy up to one of the central figures in the Republican culture of corruption."

Reed didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. The McCain campaign referred questions to the Republican National Committee.

RNC spokesman Alex Conant said, "It's laughable Democrats would try to make this a political issue, considering John McCain led the Abramoff investigations and has a record of fighting to reform Washington."

Conant noted that Democratic candidate Barack Obama has had fundraising controversies, too, including instances in which Obama returned donations from tainted contributors.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported last week that Reed sent a message to an undetermined number of Georgia Republicans, saying that McCain "will be coming to Atlanta on August 18 for a very special event at the Marriott Marquis downtown and I have agreed to serve as a member of the McCain Victory 2008 Team."

Reed urged the recipients to donate money, saying, "If you select to use your credit card, you may fax the form to me."

The House Government Reform Committee reported in 2006 that Reed, who was close to Bush political adviser Karl Rove, helped Abramoff obtain a spot on the administration's 2001 transition team at the Bureau of Indian Affairs, an agency important to his clients.

"Do you think you might be able to contact Karl, as I am sure you have more weight there," Abramoff said in an e-mail to Reed. "Be happy to," Reed replied.

The House report found at least 14 instances in which Abramoff asked Reed to contact Rove on matters including political appointments "and obtaining favorable actions on client matters."

The report confirmed e-mails that Time magazine published in 2005 in which Abramoff asked Reed to help block the proposed appointment of the wife of Orson Swindle — who was a Vietnam prisoner of war with McCain — to an Interior Department job.

"Can you ping Karl on this?" Abramoff wrote. "I can't believe they just don't get this done."

Reed responded: "Talked to Rove about this and I think I killed it. He's on it. Keep this between us, don't want to raise expectations, but I banged on this one hard."

Swindle's wife did not get the job. Swindle has been an ally of McCain's campaign, criticizing Obama supporter Wesley Clark last month for saying that McCain's Vietnam service doesn't qualify him for the White House.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26181974/

[Kelly]

Yeah, he was interviewed on Hannity and Colmes lastnight........Hannity was quiet, and Colmes didn't let him talk......it was hilarious.

[Superman]

I guess McCain is OK with him as long as he's getting him money.:whatever:

McBush strikes again.:whatever:

[Kelly]

Has McCain commented on it..........he's pretty much focusing on the Georgia situation at the moment.

[souvlaki]

It sounds like he's seriously considering Lieberman as his VP.

That would be a sure fire way not to win, that's for certain. Sure, he might pull in a few independent voters, but he'd completely alienate the base who are already iffy about him.

[Kelly]

Nah, the base is going to vote for him no matter what. They DO NOT want Obama as president. There is no chance in hell they won't vote for McCain, won't matter who his VP is.

[souvlaki]

Nah, the base is going to vote for him no matter what. They DO NOT want Obama as president. There is no chance in hell they won't vote for McCain, won't matter who his VP is.

I don't think that's necessarily the case this year honestly. I mean, granted, the Republican base doesn't want Obama, but quite a few of them don't want McCain either. If Lieberman is picked I'd imagine quite a few people on the far right are going to have a complete hissy fit, and either not vote, or vote for Bob Barr. I could be wrong, but I just think McCain is on far more shaky ground with the Republican base this election than Obama is with the Democrat's base.

[Kelly]

I think it definitely is for the Republicans, because Obama is one of the most liberal senators in the senate. There is NO WAY, no matter how much they hate McCain will they let someone that liberal just waltz into the executive office.

And, I totally disagree that the base is more shaky on McCain, than Obama.....there are many moderate democrats, or Regan democrats that are scared to death of Obama, so sorry but I totally disagree with that.

[souvlaki]

I think it definitely is for the Republicans, because Obama is one of the most liberal senators in the senate. There is NO WAY, no matter how much they hate McCain will they let someone that liberal just waltz into the executive office.

And, I totally disagree that the base is more shaky on McCain, than Obama.....there are many moderate democrats, or Regan democrats that are scared to death of Obama, so sorry but I totally disagree with that.

I don't see how the moderate democrats and Reagan democrats are the base of the Democratic Party, which is what I was referring to. The base of the Democratic Party (i.e. fairly liberal, straight along party line voters) are for the most part solidly behind Obama, whereas McCain's base is not. The group of people you are referring to are traditionally swing voters.

[jaguarr]

I don't see how the moderate democrats and Reagan democrats are the base of the Democratic Party, which is what I was referring to. The base of the Democratic Party (i.e. fairly liberal, straight along party line voters) are for the most part solidly behind Obama, whereas McCain's base is not. The group of people you are referring to are traditionally swing voters.

A huge chunk of the Democratic Party's base are zealous Hillarites, though, and that changes the dynamic considerably for the Dem's.

jag

[Kelly]

I don't see how the moderate democrats and Reagan democrats are the base of the Democratic Party, which is what I was referring to. The base of the Democratic Party (i.e. fairly liberal, straight along party line voters) are for the most part solidly behind Obama, whereas McCain's base is not. The group of people you are referring to are traditionally swing voters.

They may not be the base, but they sure as hell will be the difference between who wins and looses. Swing voters are the celebrities of this election.....and why do candidates hand feed the base in the primaries and then start their move towards the center in the national election? BECAUSE thats where the difference is made.

And those swing voters tend to vote for more moderate democrats .... like Clinton (bill) not far left or far right. They are far more important to Obama than the far left is. THAT IS WHY you see Obama moving to the center. Unfortunately for him, its a longer walk to the center than it was for Bill Clinton.

The far right, cannot stand Obama, they hate him even more than they did Kerry......if swallowing their religious pride means voting for McCain and beating Obama, I can assure you they will vote for McCain. That is the only group that has had ANYTHING negative to say about McCain since he became a the Republican candidate.

Just the simple fact that McCain has run one of the worst campaigns in history, and Obama seems to be able to do no wrong, YET.....................YET, he has ONLY A 5 point lead over McCain?..........sorry I still strongly disagree with you.

A Washington Post poll shows that 9 out of 10 Republicans back McCain.....IMO, he has no problem with the base.

In an August 13th Pew Poll....this is what was found....

Conversely, Obama has made little progress in increasing his support among core Democrats since June - currently 83% favor him compared with 87% of Republicans who back McCain. The likely Democratic nominee is still getting relatively modest support from Hillary Clinton’s former supporters: 72% of them support Obama, compared with the 88% support level that McCain receives from backers of his formal GOP rivals. Obama’s strong points with voters are in being seen as the candidate with new ideas and as someone who connects well with ordinary people.


The AP Poll also states this...

The Democrat Obama led McCain, the Republican, by 8 percentage points in June in the Pew Research Center poll, though by July his lead was 5 points, about the same as now. Since June, McCain has solidified his support among whites, men, Republicans, white evangelicals and whites who haven’t completed college. Obama has made few gains, but has retained his overwhelming advantage among blacks and leads by 13 points with women and 24 points among those under age 30. Seven in 10 who backed Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination now support Obama — little progress for Obama since June. Growing numbers pick McCain over Obama as the candidate who is personally qualified, could handle a crisis and is willing to take a stand. Obama retains his edge as the one with new ideas and connects with people.

The problem that Obama has at this moment is, the people he leads most decisively in, thorugh history have not been the strongest voters........will they come out and vote this time? They just might, but he needs to push harder in gaining more of the blue collar, male vote, of which, many are Regan democrats, because that will be the few % points that he needs to win this election......IMO.

[jaguarr]

Geez...do we want a First Lady who can't even shake hands without folding up like a dried leaf?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2008/08/cindy-mccains-h.html

:hehe:

jag

[souvlaki]

A huge chunk of the Democratic Party's base are zealous Hillarites, though, and that changes the dynamic considerably for the Dem's.

jag

I think people are really overplaying Clinton's influence here. Last I heard it was less than 20% of Clinton's supporters that were threatening to either sit out the election or vote for McCain. When you take into account the fact that Hillary's supporters only make up 50% of potential Democratic voters, that brings the number down to less than 10%. Figure in how many of those voters are simply Republicans that decided to vote in the primary because their primary was already over (yes, I do believe that was a factor in the primary), I'd say that number is less than 10%. With another couple months to go I don't think Obama is going to have much of a problem winning over at least 3 or 4% of these people. The media (namely CNN) try to play up the Clinton factor like it's still a big deal, but it really hasn't been a very big deal for a few months now.

[souvlaki]

Just the simple fact that McCain has run one of the worst campaigns in history, and Obama seems to be able to do no wrong, YET.....................YET, he has ONLY A 5 point lead over McCain?..........sorry I still strongly disagree with you.

You do realize a 5 point lead over McCain is more or less an electoral college landslide right? No candidate, no matter how good or bad a campaign they run, in 2008 is going to break that 10% lead threshold. It's just the political climate that we live in right now. So no, I wouldn't say Obama is doing bad in the polls right now.

[Kelly]

I don't see how the moderate democrats and Reagan democrats are the base of the Democratic Party, which is what I was referring to. The base of the Democratic Party (i.e. fairly liberal, straight along party line voters) are for the most part solidly behind Obama, whereas McCain's base is not. The group of people you are referring to are traditionally swing voters.

I'm sorry, you are wrong.

[souvlaki]

I'm sorry, you are wrong.

I'm wrong? So you are saying, straight faced, that hardcore social conservatives are strongly backing McCain? Can you provide some polls for me to prove this fact? I don't doubt that there aren't a large number of die-hard conservatives that will vote for McCain in November, but I'd wager the number is far lower than it was for Bush. And completely throwing their support and enthusiasm behind McCain is a completely different matter altogether.

[Kelly]

I'm wrong? So you are saying, straight faced, that hardcore social conservatives are strongly backing McCain? Can you provide some polls for me to prove this fact? I don't doubt that there aren't a large number of die-hard conservatives that will vote for McCain in November, but I'd wager the number is far lower than it was for Bush. And completely throwing their support and enthusiasm behind McCain is a completely different matter altogether.


*sighs*......yes, as I have proven.

[souvlaki]

*sighs*......yes, as I have proven.

Whoa... sorry. I guess I hit the reply button a little soon instead of reading the whole post. I just personally don't see how picking a moderate Democrat (and yes, to most people Lieberman is still considered a Democrat) is a smart move for McCain when he's been more or less having trouble energizing social conservatives. Even if a larger number of registered Republicans support McCain than registered Democrats support Obama I still don't see the sort of enthusiasm for McCain from the far right that I do for Obama from the far left. Even with the numbers you provided I still don't buy that the GOPs base is less likely to budge the closer McCain goes to the center than the democrats' base is if Obama moves to the center. For Obama moving to the middle is more or less a smart move for him. For McCain not so much, which is why he's been so hesitant to do so during the general election.

[Kelly]

A Democracy Corps (D)Obama leading McCain 50%-45% in a two-way race or 49%-43% if Bob Barr (L) and Ralph Nader are included.

That tells me that more democrats will go for the alternatives, than will Republicans....

Poll among Religious Right...

80 percent of Southern Baptist pastors plan to vote for McCain and only 1 percent for Obama, according to a poll of 778 pastors conducted by LifeWay Research in April and May. Fifteen percent were undecided.

-- 78 percent of likely evangelical voters say they'll vote for McCain, according to a survey of 1,003 adults conducted in May by The Barna Group.

-- 57 percent of evangelical Protestants say they'll vote for McCain and 25 percent for Obama, according to a poll of 3,002 adults in April and May commissioned by the Paul B. Henry Institute for the Study of Christianity and Politics at Calvin College. Additionally, 54 percent of evangelical Protestants identify themselves as Republicans -- down only 2 percent from a similar poll in 2004.

* Phil Burress heads the anti-porn group Citizens for Community Values and was active in the successful drive in 2004 to amend Ohio's constitution to ban same sex marriages.

"McCain wasn't my first choice, and I'm not sure about him now," he was recently quoted saying, "but we've got a zero chance of getting a conservative Supreme Court justice out of either Clinton or Obama. I don't know whether we've got a 25 percent chance, or a 50 percent chance, or a 100 percent chance with McCain—but it's better than zero, and I'm going to do everything in my power to help get him elected. He's our best shot."

[quote]Tennessee Conservative Union Endorses John McCain
Here is the release:

I don’t always agree with John McCain, but I have always admired him. He suffered and fought for his country and prevailed. Perhaps that’s why I’ve been sickened by the attacks on him by some Washington-based conservatives this week. One went so far as to say that McCain is more liberal than Hillary Clinton.

It makes you wonder if some of the more cynical have decided a new Clinton or Obama administration would mean better fundraising, higher rating points and more books sold.

Perhaps I’m just too old-fashioned for the modern media based conservative movement. I always knew one thing about Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, which is that the country came before person, principal came before party and philosophy came before personal profit.

The selection of candidates this year provides no clear choice for conservatives. If you believe the primary job of the president is to be the spiritual leader for the Country, then Mike Huckabee deserves your consideration. If you feel America needs a successful businessman to manage the economy, then Mitt Romney would seem to have the resume.

I cannot question any conservatives vote in this very unique and volatile election. I do question the credibility of the talking heads that have chosen to attempt to destroy McCain rather than simply oppose him.

In this time of war and generation of terrorism I still believe that Job One for a President is Commander and Chief. Can there be a clearer choice for Commander and Chief than John McCain? I’ll be casting my conservative vote against the terrorists, in favor of a strong national defense and for the future Commander and Chief John McCain.

-Lloyd C. Daugherty
Chairman ,
Tennessee Conservative Unionp/quote]

The conservatives that McCain will have a problem with are those that back closing our borders. Barr, will most likely get those votes, UNLESS......during the Republican Convention McCain can bring those votes his direction. He can do that, it is definitely feasible. THAT, imo, is the conservative group that could vote for Barr.

BUT, in a recent Rasmussen poll, it shows that only 2% list a 3rd party candidate as who they will vote for.


I'm done....soul, you can believe as you wish.....that's cool.



BTW, I HAVE NEVER SAID LIEBERMAN WAS A GOOD CHOICE.......and I don't think McCain will choose him, but I've been wrong before.


I like Lieberman, but I'm an independent.....so that's not surprising.....*winks*

[souvlaki]

That tells me that more democrats will go for the alternatives, than will Republicans....

Poll among Religious Right...





[quote]Tennessee Conservative Union Endorses John McCain
Here is the release:

I don’t always agree with John McCain, but I have always admired him. He suffered and fought for his country and prevailed. Perhaps that’s why I’ve been sickened by the attacks on him by some Washington-based conservatives this week. One went so far as to say that McCain is more liberal than Hillary Clinton.

It makes you wonder if some of the more cynical have decided a new Clinton or Obama administration would mean better fundraising, higher rating points and more books sold.

Perhaps I’m just too old-fashioned for the modern media based conservative movement. I always knew one thing about Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, which is that the country came before person, principal came before party and philosophy came before personal profit.

The selection of candidates this year provides no clear choice for conservatives. If you believe the primary job of the president is to be the spiritual leader for the Country, then Mike Huckabee deserves your consideration. If you feel America needs a successful businessman to manage the economy, then Mitt Romney would seem to have the resume.

I cannot question any conservatives vote in this very unique and volatile election. I do question the credibility of the talking heads that have chosen to attempt to destroy McCain rather than simply oppose him.

In this time of war and generation of terrorism I still believe that Job One for a President is Commander and Chief. Can there be a clearer choice for Commander and Chief than John McCain? I’ll be casting my conservative vote against the terrorists, in favor of a strong national defense and for the future Commander and Chief John McCain.

-Lloyd C. Daugherty
Chairman ,
Tennessee Conservative Unionp/quote]

The conservatives that McCain will have a problem with are those that back closing our borders. Barr, will most likely get those votes, UNLESS......during the Republican Convention McCain can bring those votes his direction. He can do that, it is definitely feasible. THAT, imo, is the conservative group that could vote for Barr.

BUT, in a recent Rasmussen poll, it shows that only 2% list a 3rd party candidate as who they will vote for.


I'm done....soul, you can believe as you wish.....that's cool.



BTW, I HAVE NEVER SAID LIEBERMAN WAS A GOOD CHOICE.......and I don't think McCain will choose him, but I've been wrong before.


I like Lieberman, but I'm an independent.....so that's not surprising.....*winks*

I never said you were saying Lieberman was a good choice. I was just defending my original post about Lieberman being a bad choice, which you disagreed with. All I'm saying is that McCain for religion conservatives is pretty much on par with John Kerry. Not someone they are necessarily enthusiastic about, but someone they will vote for because the opposition in their opinion is worse. McCain seems to be running on an "anyone but Obama" campaign which will do him well, but like Kerry in 2004, I don't think it will be enough to push him over the top. All I'm saying is that if McCain chooses a Democrat as his running mate he may alienate a lot of people that are still not completely convinced about him. Just because he may have support now doesn't mean that his support is so strong or enthusiastic that they wont abandon him the second he makes what may be interpreted as a wrong move. Personally I think choosing a pro-choice former Democrat as a running mate might be just such a move.

[Kelly]

I never said you were saying Lieberman was a good choice. I was just defending my original post about Lieberman being a bad choice, which you disagreed with. All I'm saying is that McCain for religion conservatives is pretty much on par with John Kerry. Not someone they are necessarily enthusiastic about, but someone they will vote for because the opposition in their opinion is worse. McCain seems to be running on an "anyone but Obama" campaign which will do him well, but like Kerry in 2004, I don't think it will be enough to push him over the top. All I'm saying is that if McCain chooses a Democrat as his running mate he may alienate a lot of people that are still not completely convinced about him. Just because he may have support now doesn't mean that his support is so strong or enthusiastic that they wont abandon him the second he makes what may be interpreted as a wrong move. Personally I think choosing a pro-choice former Democrat as a running mate might be just such a move.

I should have broken your post down.....but I'm lazy when it gets this late...:cwink:

What I disagreed with, is what I found sources for.......

Most conservative pundits have said that Lieberman would be a bad choice for McCain, but they stopped short of saying that they or conservatives would not vote for him because of it.....regardless, Lieberman is not the right choice IMO.

If he wants to put some enthusiam into his campaign, and do it with a running mate......IMO, he needs to choose a conservative (even moderate) female VP.......of which he still has 2 high on his list.....so who knows.

[jaguarr]

It's the Kel and souvlaki show!!! :funny:

jag

[Matt]

I could see why he would want Lieberman. McCain has done too much damage in his primary pandering to get back in good with the independent crowd before the primary, but having the first cross party ticket in the history of modern politics could go a long way to attracting them. Meanwhile, his new found inner-neo-con can handle the far right.

[souvlaki]

I could see why he would want Lieberman. McCain has done too much damage in his primary pandering to get back in good with the independent crowd before the primary, but having the first cross party ticket in the history of modern politics could go a long way to attracting them. Meanwhile, his new found inner-neo-con can handle the far right.

I always got the vibe that the neo-cons were not too happy with McCain. After this discussion with Kel I'm starting to wonder if I'm wrong in this respect. Do you really think he could pick a pro-choice running mate and not scare off at least a few of the neo-cons? To me picking Lieberman is kind of like Obama picking Clinton. Whatever he gains from choosing Lieberman in independent votes, he'll lose from the neo-cons. I'm curious, have there been any running mate polls for the GOP? If so, how does a McCain/Lieberman ticket fair against Obama?

[Matt]

I think Kel is right that neo-cons will pick McCain over Obama. They may do it begrudgingly, but they will do it. Republicans as a voter base, tend to be smarter than Democrats. They won't risk a close election by casting a protest vote for Bob Barr. Especially when an extreme liberal like Obama scares the hell out of them. They did it in '92 because Bush Sr. screwed them and Clinton was fairly conservative fiscally. He wasn't a big threat to conservatism like Obama.

Furthermore, McCain has done a very good job of pandering to the far right. Perhaps his big strategy in all of this, when we were questioning "Hey, he won the primary, why is he not going back to his maverick ways?" is because he knew he would need to continue to be the neo-con for the sake of his running mate.

I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket would make this election a lot closer. People are sick of partisan politics and Lieberman is still a registered Democrat. Plus most still associate Lieberman with the Democrats since he has caucused with them (which could prove a big mistake for the party). A cross party ticket, the first in modern politics could be HUGE.

[The Senator]

While Christian conservatives may not vote for Obama or Barr, they may not vote for McCain if he picks a liberal like Joe Lieberman as his running mate. Chances are, they might not vote at all, which could prove harmful for McCain in certain swing states where the youth vote may balance out the psycho-Christian vote. States like Virginia, Missouri, Iowa and all of the southwestern states fall into this category. Especially since Lieberman adamantly supports abortion and gay rights (and that doesn't even get into the whole Jew thing).

[Spider-Bite]

Lieberman would not help McCain for reason stated by JManSpice, and plus the fact that the whole edge Democrats have with swing voters is that Bush sent us to Iraq. Lieberman also supports Iraq, so his being a democrat wont appeal to the voters who are leaning democrat based on the war.

[Matt]

But lets face it though Spider-Bite, Obama could appoint a pro-abortion, homosexual, Satan worshipper as his running mate and you would say it is going to help him win the religious right :cwink:

[Matt]

While Christian conservatives may not vote for Obama or Barr, they may not vote for McCain if he picks a liberal like Joe Lieberman as his running mate. Chances are, they might not vote at all, which could prove harmful for McCain in certain swing states where the youth vote may balance out the psycho-Christian vote. States like Virginia, Missouri, Iowa and all of the southwestern states fall into this category. Especially since Lieberman adamantly supports abortion and gay rights (and that doesn't even get into the whole Jew thing).

I'm not sure they will. The far right if nothing else are a notoriously strong voting base. I don't think they would sit home. They are not the kind easily discouraged. So long as McCain keeps pandering I don't think they will abandon him. Maybe some, but not enough to make a difference.

[Kelly]

A VP may bring you a half, to 1 percentage point in the vote of a few states, but it is doubtful that it will change much else as far as the Republicans are concerned. Just as I showed in some of my examples, the christian right are not in love with McCain, but as was stated, they feel that any democratic will not push their agenda, and McCain as far as basics will. Supreme Court, etc........

As far as the Democrats, Obama still has a problem with over 25% of Clinton supporters......He will not go to them with hat in hand........he's too arrogant for that....IMO.........so that is a demographic to watch.

McCain, needs to be working hard with the Republican base that is strong on immigration, they are the ones that might vote for Barr..........its a throw away vote, but they still may do it.

[Matt]

I dunno Kel, the first cross-party ticket seems like it could seriously draw in some independents.

[Kelly]

I dunno Kel, the first cross-party ticket seems like it could seriously draw in some independents.

I think the question is, with that ........ will it be enough to off-set single issue Republicans....

I don't think it will...



Also, you have a 90 year old judge in Stevens, that will probably step down in the next 4 years......IF McCain chooses a pro-choice running mate or a Lieberman.....McCain is old.......you may have some that is scared of that as well......

You will have some that will simply not vote, I don't think that will be a mass amount, but would McCain get enough independent vote to offset that loss.


My gut feeling is the base are going to vote for McCain, simply as a vote against Obama, no matter who he chooses......but I don't think Lieberman is the person to do that. McCain needs to do what he can to pull away from Bush/Iraq, and do both in a massive way. Lieberman pulls away from Bush, but not Iraq. I think he needs to choose a governor (outside of washington and bush), or woman or both.

[Marx]

I dunno Kel, the first cross-party ticket seems like it could seriously draw in some independents.

Not if the candidates are far right or far left of their respective party ticket.

[Kelly]

Not if the candidates are far right or far left of their respective party ticket.

Well neither of them are......but the fact that Lieberman still holds a Democratic title, not an Independent title in the eyes of many Republicans........I still don't think he is the one to do this with.

Bloomberg would be the closest thing to this type of ticket that I would want right now.

[Marx]

Well neither of them are......but the fact that Lieberman still holds a Democratic title, not an Independent title in the eyes of many Republicans........I still don't think he is the one to do this with.

Bloomberg would be the closest thing to this type of ticket that I would want right now.

Everyone knows where Lieberman's loyalty lies. The fact that he has a 'D' next his name really isn't that important...not to anyone who pays attention.

[Kelly]

Everyone knows where Lieberman's loyalty lies. The fact that he has a 'D' next his name really isn't that important...not to anyone who pays attention.


Marx, my brotha..........how many voters....."pay attention" those at either end of the spectrum, have massive blinders on...........?????????:o

[Marx]

Marx, my brotha..........how many voters....."pay attention" those at either end of the spectrum, have massive blinders on...........?????????:o

I know Kel...I realized that after I posted it. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gif

Asking people to pay attention to what goes on in their own country is a little too much.

[Raiden]

Everyone knows where Lieberman's loyalty lies. The fact that he has a 'D' next his name really isn't that important...not to anyone who pays attention.

I agree. Lieberman has been quite vicious in his verbal attacks against Obama, far more than when he was Gore's running mate and he was attacking Bush and Cheney. It's clear that he doesn't give a damn whether he remains with the Democratic party or not; right now they are just using each other (Dems used him for their majority, Lieberman for seniority), and as soon as Lieberman found no more use of the Dems he'll bolt right away.

[Marx]

I agree. Lieberman has been quite vicious in his verbal attacks against Obama, far more than when he was Gore's running mate and he was attacking Bush and Cheney. It's clear that he doesn't give a damn whether he remains with the Democratic party or not; right now they are just using each other (Dems used him for their majority, Lieberman for seniority), and as soon as Lieberman found no more use of the Dems he'll bolt right away.

After the november elections, the Democrats shouldn't need him anymore for their majority.

[Marx]

Huckabee slams idea of Romney as VP
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/14/huckabee-slams-idea-of-romney-as-veep/





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[Kelly]

Huckabee slams idea of Romney as VP
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/14/huckabee-slams-idea-of-romney-as-veep/








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CNN's title for that article is totally wrong.....I watched that interview on Fox today.........and he did not slam Romney by any stretch of the word.

[SuBe]

CNN's title for that article is totally wrong.....I watched that interview on Fox today.........and he did not slam Romney by any stretch of the word.
Impossible, CNN isn't Biased!

[Kelly]

Impossible, CNN isn't Biased!


I don't think its as much bias as it is trying to make a boring article sound intriguing....

[SuBe]

I don't think its as much bias as it is trying to make a boring article sound intriguing....
They could have titled it: "The Huckster Doesn't Back Romeny" or "FairTax Huck, Romney Don't Hug" or "Huck says Suck it Romney!" Those would have been better.

[Kelly]

I think Neil Cavuto is as pissed off at these candidates economic fiasco as I am.....he had Obama's top economic advisor on, and they went round and round.....he's talking with McCain's top economic advisor and they are going round and round as well......

And big surprise, neither can answer his questions....

[SuBe]

I think Neil Cavuto is as pissed off at these candidates economic fiasco as I am.....he had Obama's top economic advisor on, and they went round and round.....he's talking with McCain's top economic advisor and they are going round and round as well......

And big surprise, neither can answer his questions....
Not a suprise at all. If we think it is bad now, just wait 3 years, neither knows anything about how to make a good economy, you can only ask for which one won't screw it up worse.

[Kelly]

They could have titled it: "The Huckster Doesn't Back Romeny" or "FairTax Huck, Romney Don't Hug" or "Huck says Suck it Romney!" Those would have been better.

Huckabee would have laughed at all of those....

He was pissed though this morning when they started off saying that he said, Romney should not be the VP because he's Mormon.......he never has said that, and it pissed him off. I love it when he gets pissed off, his interviews are even better than usual.

[SuBe]

Huckabee would have laughed at all of those....

He was pissed though this morning when they started off saying that he said, Romney should not be the VP because he's Mormon.......he never has said that, and it pissed him off. I love it when he gets pissed off, his interviews are even better than usual.
I was and still am a strong supporter of Huckabee. He had a sound Tax Policy, stood firm on Foreign Policy and was very level headed. It was others putting words in his mouth, even back then. He supported Romney being a Mormon, saying he didn't need to defend himself. Even saying that Wright's view don't reflect Obama's. He was made out to be worse by the Media than what he actually was.

[Kelly]

I was and still am a strong supporter of Huckabee. He had a sound Tax Policy, stood firm on Foreign Policy and was very level headed. It was others putting words in his mouth, even back then. He supported Romney being a Mormon, saying he didn't need to defend himself. Even saying that Wright's view don't reflect Obama's. He was made out to be worse by the Media than what he actually was.

I like Huckabee personally, I think he is an honest, good man.

Carter was an honest, good man, but a ****ty president. Huckabee reminds way too much of Carter.

[SuBe]

I like Huckabee personally, I think he is an honest, good man.

Carter was an honest, good man, but a ****ty president. Huckabee reminds way too much of Carter.
Not in the way of Policy, maybe personally, but Policy far, far from eachother.

[Marx]

I was and still am a strong supporter of Huckabee. He had a sound Tax Policy, stood firm on Foreign Policy and was very level headed. It was others putting words in his mouth, even back then. He supported Romney being a Mormon, saying he didn't need to defend himself. Even saying that Wright's view don't reflect Obama's. He was made out to be worse by the Media than what he actually was.

Not in the way of Policy, maybe personally, but Policy far, far from eachother.

I was about to say... :nono:

[souvlaki]

In regards to the discussion I was having with Kel earlier in regards to the far right abandoning McCain if he elects a liberal running mate... Polls show 24% of evangelicals support Obama this election which is actually pretty good compared to the last few elections. 1 in 3 evangelicals are unenthusiastic about McCain, and have considered sitting out this election. So yeah... I'd say that's a problem for McCain.

[Marx]

In regards to the discussion I was having with Kel earlier in regards to the far right abandoning McCain if he elects a liberal running mate... Polls show 24% of evangelicals support Obama this election which is actually pretty good compared to the last few elections. 1 in 3 evangelicals are unenthusiastic about McCain, and have considered sitting out this election. So yeah... I'd say that's a problem for McCain.

The argument with picking an extreme on either ticket is risking your independent support.

[Matt]

When were the polls dated and who was the pollster?

[Marx]

When were the polls dated and who was the pollster?

That's my personal opinion. I haven't come across an actual poll that suggests one way or the other.

[Matt]

I meant to ask Souv, forgot to quote. Sorry :O

[souvlaki]

When were the polls dated and who was the pollster?

I dunno. I just heard it on MSNBC like 5 minutes ago, so I'd assume recently, and by a semi-legitimate pollster.

[souvlaki]

Just hit the rewind button on Tivo... Pew Research Poll, July 31-August 10th.

[Matt]

Pew is usually pretty good, and so it is worth noting, that according to their polls released this morning, McCain is now within the margin of error nationally...so either Obama is alienating independents or McCain is winning them over. Either way, perhaps now is not the time to pander to the far right as he seems to be doing okay without them according to Pew's polls, so maybe Lieberman wouldn't be a bad idea.

[Kelly]

The poll Soul is talking about is probably a Barna group poll. I think what we are including now within these polls on christians voting, is no longer just the "Christian Right"....the Barna poll includes several different groups. My numbers were strictly talking about the Republican Christian Right.....the Barna group is now including, (and rightfully so) new, young, voters that when asked call themselves christians. That group is rising fast today. They are (or will be, because they are new voters) centrist voters, that are regular church goers, but find the religious right to confining in its thinking.

So, I don't see "Religious Right" voters moving to the left to vote for Obama, or an alternative, nor do I see them not voting. I believe these numbers from the Barna group are showing a new group of voters. What needs to also be looked at is the fact that over this past year, the Barna groups numbers have shown a "undecided" vote is growing. That is the number I think is important.

[Marx]

The poll Soul is talking about is probably a Barna group poll. I think what we are including now within these polls on christians voting, is no longer just the "Christian Right"....the Barna poll includes several different groups. My numbers were strictly talking about the Republican Christian Right.....the Barna group is now including, (and rightfully so) new, young, voters that when asked call themselves christians. That group is rising fast today. They are (or will be, because they are new voters) centrist voters, that are regular church goers, but find the religious right to confining in its thinking.

So, I don't see "Religious Right" voters moving to the left to vote for Obama, or an alternative, nor do I see them not voting. I believe these numbers from the Barna group are showing a new group of voters. What needs to also be looked at is the fact that over this past year, the Barna groups numbers have shown a "undecided" vote is growing. That is the number I think is important.

There's no way that the Religious Right will cast a vote for a left wing liberal. No matter how pretty the speech...it's just not going to happen.

[Kelly]

There's no way that the Religious Right will cast a vote for a left wing liberal. No matter how pretty the speech...it's just not going to happen.


I think a good number of the religious right are like James Dobson.......


They will hold their nose and vote for McCain, as a vote against Obama, not for McCain.....but that doesn't matter, the vote is there.

Those undecided voters, I believe, that call themselves Christians are new, young voters and the question for me is not who they will vote for, but whether they will actually vote.

[Superman4ever]

Ownage!

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[Superman4ever]

PdJUCU1UH2w&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/10/153314/656/229/565225

This is another great video!

[Hobgoblin]

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This is another great video!

Good one, better than the first. Gets McCain in his own words.

[Marx]

I think a good number of the religious right are like James Dobson.......


They will hold their nose and vote for McCain, as a vote against Obama, not for McCain.....but that doesn't matter, the vote is there.

Those undecided voters, I believe, that call themselves Christians are new, young voters and the question for me is not who they will vote for, but whether they will actually vote.

We all know how reliable the younger voting bloc is... :whatever:





(Someone is going to say - "But this time is different!" Wait for it...wait...for...it.)

[Matt]

Wasn't 2004 supposed to be different? :cwink:

[The Senator]

Wasn't 2004 supposed to be different? :cwink:

Yes, because 18-24 year olds were going to flock out in droves to vote for a 61-year-old Frankenstein lookalike.

[Marx]

Yes, because 18-24 year olds were going to flock out in droves to vote for a 61-year-old Frankenstein lookalike.


Now now now...let's be fair here Jman. I think it was Herman Munster. :oldrazz:

[Matt]

:o Excuse my skepticism but if photo ops like those below do not get the youth of America excited, nothing will:

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/JOHN_KERRY_LEAPS_BEFORE_THROWING_FOOTBALL.jpg

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/John_Kerry_cheesesteak.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/07/27/28snap_kerry_wideweb__430x309,1.jpg

:hehe:

[hippie_hunter]

Man, anyone saying that John McCain or Barack Obama are running the worst campaigns ever just need to take a look at John Kerry. The Democrats should have won that election with ease, but instead not only lost the White House yet again, but lost seats in the House and Senate along with their majority leader.

[Marx]

Man, anyone saying that John McCain or Barack Obama are running the worst campaigns ever just need to take a look at John Kerry. The Democrats should have won that election with ease, but instead not only lost the White House yet again, but lost seats in the House and Senate along with their majority leader.

Hardcore Republican scare tactics and lacking Kerry campaign response times will cause things like that to happen.

[Matt]

Man, anyone saying that John McCain or Barack Obama are running the worst campaigns ever just need to take a look at John Kerry. The Democrats should have won that election with ease, but instead not only lost the White House yet again, but lost seats in the House and Senate along with their majority leader.

Wesley Clark would've taken that election with ease. It always baffled me why he pulled out of the Iowa caucus. All post-caucus polls indicate he would've won it had he stayed in it (in which case he would've been a lock for both the nomination and the presidency). The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say it was all a Clinton plot. She knew the majority of his backers would shift to Kerry if he pulled out days before (as they would've scrambled to find a candidate who matched Clark and Kerry was closest). She asked Clark to run, simply to derail Dean and ensure Dems don't take the White House until she could run in 2008...of course, thats just the conspiracy theorist in me :cwink:

[Marx]

Wesley Clark would've taken that election with ease. It always baffled me why he pulled out of the Iowa caucus. All post-caucus polls indicate he would've won it had he stayed in it (in which case he would've been a lock for both the nomination and the presidency). The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say it was all a Clinton plot. She knew the majority of his backers would shift to Kerry if he pulled out days before (as they would've scrambled to find a candidate who matched Clark and Kerry was closest). She asked Clark to run, simply to derail Dean and ensure Dems don't take the White House until she could run in 2008...of course, thats just the conspiracy theorist in me :cwink:

That's one heck of a conspiracy theory man. :oldrazz:

[Matt]

But it makes such perfect sense.

[Marx]

But it makes such perfect sense.

Maybe in Matt-world... :hehe:

[Chris B]

I still say Pawlenty. Though I think Romney odds having improved a bit.

[Kelly]

Unfortunately, yeah, it looks like Romney.....................why? because IMO, if he wins Michigan, he wins the election........speculation just for fun.

[Matt]

Something happen to increase Romney's odds and why do you dislike Romney, Kel?

[The Senator]

Romney thoroughly disgusts me, so I wouldn't be surprised if McCain picks him as his running mate.

[Hobgoblin]

John Kerry. John Edwards. John McCain. The name John doesnt seem to help a candidate much. Check out how McCain shot himself in the foot again.
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccains-abortion-remark-stuns-base/134778?icid=200100397x1207752901x1200420484

Lets not forget the great chemistry Kerry and Edwards had together.
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/john-kerry_john-edwards.jpg

[Lightning Strykez!]

Kerry's face has got to be the most elongated ever. It's shaped like the head of a hammer. :dry:

[Matt]

John Kerry. John Edwards. John McCain. The name John doesnt seem to help a candidate much. Check out how McCain shot himself in the foot again.
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccains-abortion-remark-stuns-base/134778?icid=200100397x1207752901x1200420484

Lets not forget the great chemistry Kerry and Edwards had together.
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/john-kerry_john-edwards.jpg


Edwards' face just screams "Oh God, why is he touching me?"

[Hobgoblin]

Just goes to show how fake politics is. They pretended to be buddies on the trail but supposedly hated each other.

[Marx]

McCain camp announces new monthly fundraising record
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/15/mccain-camp-announces-new-monthly-fundraising-record/





("That still sucks compare to Obama! Barack raised 52 million in June!" Come on, Ex...say it...I know you're out there! :oldrazz:)

[kainedamo]

McCain - "in the 21st century nations don't invade other nations."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/mccain-in-the-21st-centur_n_118759.html

[SuBe]

ATTENTION EVERYBODY!!!!

McCain and Obama is going to be on the Same Stage in a "debate" type setting on FoxNew Channel tonight at 8PM EST.

[jaguarr]

McCain Catches Heat For Comments On Corsi Book (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obamabook16-2008aug16,0,5599468.story)

jag

[kainedamo]

The Heritage Foundation - "The middle class would likely pay less under Mr. Obama's plan than Mr. McCain's".

[The Senator]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/16/roberta-mccain-denies-lawsuit-against-sons-ex-wife/

Looks like forgetfulness runs in the family...

[jaguarr]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/16/roberta-mccain-denies-lawsuit-against-sons-ex-wife/

Looks like forgetfulness runs in the family...


"I have never heard of what you're talking about. … I will put my hand on a Bible," she said, to attest that she had never sued Carol.


Roberta's denial prompted laughter from the ex-daughter-in-law.
"Yes, she sued me," Carol said in a brief phone interview.


:lmao:


jag

[imdaly]

John Kerry. John Edwards. John McCain. The name John doesnt seem to help a candidate much.

Tell that to John Adams, John Quincy Adams, John Tyler, and John F. Kennedy. :)

[Superman4ever]

Looks like McCain knew the questions beforehand at the Faithforum last night:

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Warren with Obama:

Q. OKAY LET’S GO TO EDUCATION. AMERICA RIGHT NOW 23 RANKS 19TH IN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION. WE’RE FIRST IN INCARCERATIONS.

A. NOT GOOD.

Q. NOT GOOD. 80 PERCENT OF AMERICANS RECENT POLE SAID THEY BELIEVE IN MERIT PAY FOR TEACHERS.

1. I’M NOT ASKING DO YOU THINK ALL TEACHERS SHOULD GET A RAISE.

2. DO YOU THINK BETTER TEACHERS SHOULD BE PAID BETTER?

3. THEY SHOULD BE MAKING MORE THAN POOR TEACHERS?

So, essentially on this topic, there were technically only two questions, the ones I've labelled 2 and 3. But one COULD make the argument that the comment I labelled as 1 was also a question.

Now to McCain:

Q ALL RIGHT. LET’S TALK ABOUT EDUCATION. AMERICA 18 RANKS 19TH IN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS, BUT WE’RE FIRST IN 19 INCARCERATION. EVERYBODY SAYS THEY WANT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY IN SCHOOLS?

A UH-HUH.

Q ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF AMERICA SAYS THEY SUPPORT MERIT PAY FOR THE BEST TEACHERS. NOW, I DON’T WANT TO HEAR YOUR STUMP SPEECH ON EDUCATION?

A YES. YES. AND FIND BAD TEACHERS ANOTHER LINE OF WORK.

Q YOU KNOW –

A CAN I –

Q YOU ARE ANSWERING SO QUICKLY.

A CAN I –

Q YOU WANT TO PLAY A GAME OF POKER?

See that? Warren didn't ask him ANY questions. Yet, McCain knew to answer the three questions posed to Obama. Wonder how that happened?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/17/02247/6361
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2008/08/video-pastor-rick-confirms-mccain-not.html

[Superman4ever]

GAAAAASSSSSPPPP! :eek::eek::eek:

McCain's "crosses in the dirt" is NOT his story! (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/17/122230/161/239/569299)

"Cross in the Dirt" story stolen from Solzhenitsyn (updated X3)
by rickrocket
Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 09:32:42 AM PDT

I was watching the forum last night and decided that since I hadn't eaten yet, I would try to listen to John McCain speak. I was doing OK with the "my friends" and the evil chuckle when I heard him talk about his POW story of the cross in the dirt. That was when I couldn't take it anymore.

It just sounded so fake and so contrived, so I did a little research about it. Someone on here said it sounded like a scene from Ben-Hur, so I did a google search about Ben-Hur and cross in the sand and such. No dice. But I searched around a little bit more and here is what I found. A story about Alexander Solzhenitsyn from his times in the Soviet Gulags.

Along with other prisoners, he worked in the fields day after day, in rain and sun, during summer and winter. His life appeared to be nothing more than backbreaking labor and slow starvation. The intense suffering reduced him to a state of despair.

On one particular day, the hopelessness of his situation became too much for him. He saw no reason to continue his struggle, no reason to keep on living. His life made no difference in the world. So he gave up.

Leaving his shovel on the ground, he slowly walked to a crude bench and sat down. He knew that at any moment a guard would order him to stand up, and when he failed to respond, the guard would beat him to death, probably with his own shovel. He had seen it happen to other prisoners.

As he waited, head down, he felt a presence. Slowly he looked up and saw a skinny old prisoner squat down beside him. The man said nothing. Instead, he used a stick to trace in the dirt the sign of the Cross. The man then got back up and returned to his work.

As Solzhenitsyn stared at the Cross drawn in the dirt his entire perspective changed. He knew he was only one man against the all-powerful Soviet empire. Yet he knew there was something greater than the evil he saw in the prison camp, something greater than the Soviet Union. He knew that hope for all people was represented by that simple Cross. Through the power of the Cross, anything was possible.

Solzhenitsyn slowly rose to his feet, picked up his shovel, and went back to work. Outwardly, nothing had changed. Inside, he had received hope.

[From Luke Veronis, "The Sign of the Cross"; Communion, issue 8, Pascha 1997.]

So, it is very interesting that Mr. Solzhenitsyn and Mr. McCain had the same Christian guard/prisoner experience. Or maybe it is all just a made up story. Somehow I doubt that Alexander Solzhenitsyn heard John McCain's story and copied it.

UPDATE: This story was actually excerpted from "The Gulag Archipelago" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, which was released in the US in 1973.

UPDATE X2: It seems that McCain is a bit of a Solzhenitsyn fan, as evidenced in his article in the NY Sun here. Thanks to Turing for the link.

UPDATE X3: May other great Kossacks have expanded on my diary. Check out their great diaries.

TomP: Cross in the Dirt, a recap of what we know
Calouste: No "cross in the sand" for McCain in 1973
Throwing Stones: McCain lies, contradicts himself on Cross story

Thanks to everyone. This is my first time on the rec list. What a way to start!


Classic! :grin:

[kainedamo]

So, we're supposed to take McCain's word that he didn't hear any of the questions, though he had plenty of opportunity. That isn't fair at all.

And from that clip, its pretty obvious he knew the questions ahead of time. I remember when I watched the forum discussion, that one stood out to me, I thought it was strange that he answered so quick.

He answered questions before they were asked he couldn't have known would be asked unless he knew ahead of time.

[jaguarr]

Looks like McCain knew the questions beforehand at the Faithforum last night:

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/17/02247/6361
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2008/08/video-pastor-rick-confirms-mccain-not.html

This guy can't even CHEAT well enough to get away with it. :down

jag

[DorkyFresh]

ek3jAkx9m10

[souvlaki]

Oops...

[jaguarr]

souvlaki, do you read the forums at all before you post? :huh:

jag

[souvlaki]

souvlaki, do you read the forums at all before you post? :huh:

jag

Obviously not. I am in a hurry and on my way to work, so I just wanted to post it before I left. It wasn't there when I checked the board a couple hours ago. My mistake.

[jaguarr]

:D

jag

[Kelly]

Got a chance to read the blog and listen to Warren.....


I'm not going to say he did or did not hear the questions in advance, but neither of those things really prove anything.

As far as the housing foreclosures...........................*shakes head* in my opinion, if you are not having problems financially........*sighs* shut the hell up and do your job to help those that are working as hard as they can, yet just not making it.

I'm not going to fault Cindy McCain on the money she has, but McCain really needs to not talk so much, and get the job done.

[Superman4ever]

ek3jAkx9m10

Man, that's a great vid. Sent to ALL my friends! :D

[The Senator]

Politico: McCain to Announce VP on August 29


Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) plans to celebrate his 72nd birthday on Aug. 29 by naming his running mate at a huge rally in the battleground state of Ohio, Republican sources said.

That’s a week from this Friday, and the day after Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) accepts the Democratic nomination at a 70,000-person spectacular in a Denver stadium.

The campaign has begun building a crowd of 10,000 for Dayton, Ohio, according to an organizer. McCain is scheduled to appear with his running mate at a large-scale event in Pennsylvania shortly thereafter.

Senior Republicans are in the dark about who he’ll name, although they say former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty are prime contenders after a trial balloon by McCain gave him very negative feedback about the idea of picking a pro-choice running mate like former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge.

Sources close to McCain say he has wrestled with the choice, torn between a high-stakes, high-reward pick like Ridge or Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman or a safer and more conventional selection such as Romney or Pawlenty.

But McCain friends emphasized that he talks about the decision with almost no one, and could even change the announcement plans and go sooner.

“McCain views this as the one decision that he has total, utter, non-negotiable control over,” one campaign official said.


The announcement strategy – provided McCain doesn’t change it – calls for naming the pick early Friday morning to try to suppress Obama’s bounce coming out of his convention.

“You’re going to own the weekend,” a McCain official said.

The Republican convention begins the following Monday in St. Paul, Minn.

McCain advisers say they don’t think it would make sense to name the pick earlier because the impact would get diluted by Obama’s selection. And since the GOP convention is second, they have the advantage of knowing the opposition ticket before showing their own cards.

“You can fire the bullet once,” said one key Republican. “You want the most meaningful target.”

Alex M. Triantafilou, chairman of the Hamilton County (Ohio) Republican Party, said in an exuberant post on his blog this weekend: “Sen. McCain is expected to host a rally on August 29 in Dayton and is looking for a BIG venue and for a BIG crowd. He'll get it. This is not yet public. I guess I just made it so.”

The post has been removed without explanation.

PolitickerOH.com reported Monday morning that the event will be at the 10,000 seat Ervin J. Nutter Center, a sports and entertainment complex at Wright State University

[Matt]

Hmm...Who would have the most effect in Ohio? Pawlenty? No Ohians would know who the hell he is. Ridge? Would make more sense to announce him in PA, also a battle ground state, so I'll say he's out. Lieberman has enough name recognition that you can announce him where ever you'd like. Romney is the same (Though I'd say Michigan makes more sense)...but Romney's economic expertise makes him a good choice for an Ohio announcement as arguably no state has taken a harder hit economically than Ohio in the past two decades. I'd say its either Lieberman or Romney.

[The Senator]

Hmm...Who would have the most effect in Ohio? Pawlenty? No Ohians would know who the hell he is. Ridge? Would make more sense to announce him in PA, also a battle ground state, so I'll say he's out. Lieberman has enough name recognition that you can announce him where ever you'd like. Romney is the same (Though I'd say Michigan makes more sense)...but Romney's economic expertise makes him a good choice for an Ohio announcement as arguably no state has taken a harder hit economically than Ohio in the past two decades. I'd say its either Lieberman or Romney.

It could be Rob Portman.

[Überlibran]

Heh. Remember when the Rick Warren asked John McCain at the faith-based forum " Who are the three wisest people that you know that you would rely on heavily in an administration?" and McCain answered that Congressional Rep. John Lewis was one of them (okay, well just pretend you remember). Somebody should've mentioned that to John Lewis:

"I cannot stop one human being, even a presidential candidate, from admiring the courage and sacrifice of peaceful protesters on the Edmund Pettus Bridge or making comments about it." But, he added, "Sen. McCain and I are colleagues in the US Congress, not confidantes. He does not consult me. And I do not consult him."So yeah, sounds like they don't even talk. I knew his answer was B.S. To paraphrase John, THAT'S not integrity we can believe in! :whatever:

[Kelly]

Maybe he plans to consult him once he becomes President.....maybe he has a list in his mind of the people that he would bring into discussion when circumstances require them.....they may not be his best friends, but they may be people that he believes would be of help....

Not saying that is how McCain is thinking, but its a possibility...

[hippie_hunter]

Hmm...Who would have the most effect in Ohio? Pawlenty? No Ohians would know who the hell he is. Ridge? Would make more sense to announce him in PA, also a battle ground state, so I'll say he's out. Lieberman has enough name recognition that you can announce him where ever you'd like. Romney is the same (Though I'd say Michigan makes more sense)...but Romney's economic expertise makes him a good choice for an Ohio announcement as arguably no state has taken a harder hit economically than Ohio in the past two decades. I'd say its either Lieberman or Romney.
Lieberman and Romney would be good choices IMO.

Since Lieberman was formerly a Democrat, he can really fit into the moderate angle McCain wants and help get the independent vote. It can also help him with New Hampshire, the Jewish vote in Florida, and maybe even Connecticut since Lieberman is very popular in that state.

Romney can help McCain out with the economic angle of the election since the economy is the forefront of the election, and even though most Americans agree with what McCain says, they trust Obama more for some reason with the economy and see it as McCain's weak point. He can also help taking Michigan since that is a close race there.

[rdh007]

Lieberman and Romney would be good choices IMO.

Since Lieberman was formerly a Democrat, he can really fit into the moderate angle McCain wants and help get the independent vote. It can also help him with New Hampshire, the Jewish vote in Florida, and maybe even Connecticut since Lieberman is very popular in that state.

Romney can help McCain out with the economic angle of the election since the economy is the forefront of the election, and even though most Americans agree with what McCain says, they trust Obama more for some reason with the economy and see it as McCain's weak point. He can also help taking Michigan since that is a close race there.
Didn't Lieberman decline already? Though that doesn't mean he can't change his mind.

[The Senator]

Lieberman and Romney would be good choices IMO.

Since Lieberman was formerly a Democrat, he can really fit into the moderate angle McCain wants and help get the independent vote. It can also help him with New Hampshire, the Jewish vote in Florida, and maybe even Connecticut since Lieberman is very popular in that state.

Romney can help McCain out with the economic angle of the election since the economy is the forefront of the election, and even though most Americans agree with what McCain says, they trust Obama more for some reason with the economy and see it as McCain's weak point. He can also help taking Michigan since that is a close race there.

Lieberman is not going to help McCain win Connecticut.

CT Democrats are not going to jump ship for McCain; in fact, many of them feel Lieberman is a traitor and wouldn't dare vote for him. The most McCain can hope for are the independents and moderate Democrats, but when you consider Obama has a double-digit lead in the state right now and the bulk of the voters are decided, I'm not sure Lieberman will have enough impact to affect the current mood in that state.

[The Senator]

Didn't Lieberman decline already? Though that doesn't mean he can't change his mind.

Considering Lieberman said he wouldn't run for the Senate if he lost his primary, then rescinded on that statement, I don't really hold him as the purveyor of honesty.

[Spider-Bite]

They might be more in agreement with McCain on offshore drilling, but on the economy, I doubt they are more in allignment with McCain. the economy is at the forefront as you said. The country does not believe that Bush has done a good job managing the economy, and McCain supports an extension of the Bush economic policies. The country does not agree with huge tax cuts for the rich.

Apparently McCain doesn't even agree with himself on pork barrel spending, considering he voted to give 3 million dollars last year to study the dna of bears, and then went on to talk about how stupid the government was for wasting 3 million dollars on studying the dna of bears.

[rdh007]

even though most Americans agree with what McCain says, they trust Obama more for some reason with the economy and see it as McCain's weak point.

Why would they see it that way? Because of the things he's already said?


“I didn’t pay nearly the attention to those issues in the past.” [Jan. 2000]

“I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.” [Nov. 2005]

“The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should,” but “I’ve got Greenspan’s book.” [Dec. 2007]

[Überlibran]

Maybe he plans to consult him once he becomes President.....maybe he has a list in his mind of the people that he would bring into discussion when circumstances require them.....they may not be his best friends, but they may be people that he believes would be of help....

Not saying that is how McCain is thinking, but its a possibility... Do you really believe that Kel? Seriously?

[Marx]

It could be Rob Portman.

Gag me. :whatever:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[Matt]

They might be more in agreement with McCain on offshore drilling, but on the economy, I doubt they are more in allignment with McCain. the economy is at the forefront as you said. The country does not believe that Bush has done a good job managing the economy, and McCain supports an extension of the Bush economic policies. The country does not agree with huge tax cuts for the rich.

But at the end of the day...this election will be decided by one thing:

Oil.

People ***** about the war, but its not effecting them directly enough to take notice, for the most part...so the majority won't vote on it, regardless of how much they *****.

Same with economy. Most are still employed and living comfortably on credit. The recession hasn't hit anyone hard enough yet.

The one thing that will decide this election is when folks are driving to the polling place, look up and see gas between $4.50 and $5.00 a gallon. And that will be McCain's biggest advantage. No matter how little results his plan will yield, it creates the illusion of relief. And it is the reason he is even still in this election.

[hippie_hunter]

Lieberman is not going to help McCain win Connecticut.

CT Democrats are not going to jump ship for McCain; in fact, many of them feel Lieberman is a traitor and wouldn't dare vote for him. The most McCain can hope for are the independents and moderate Democrats, but when you consider Obama has a double-digit lead in the state right now and the bulk of the voters are decided, I'm not sure Lieberman will have enough impact to affect the current mood in that state.

Considering that Lieberman won re-election with 50% of the vote even after losing the primary shows that Lieberman has a lot of pull there. He's very popular among independents, moderate Democrats, and Republicans in the state who might jump ship. Probably not, but I can see it as a possibility.

The people who will never vote McCain are the people who voted for Lamont and hate Lieberman in the state anyways. But they got their asses embarrassingly kicked in 2006.

[hippie_hunter]

They might be more in agreement with McCain on offshore drilling, but on the economy, I doubt they are more in allignment with McCain. the economy is at the forefront as you said. The country does not believe that Bush has done a good job managing the economy, and McCain supports an extension of the Bush economic policies. The country does not agree with huge tax cuts for the rich.

Apparently McCain doesn't even agree with himself on pork barrel spending, considering he voted to give 3 million dollars last year to study the dna of bears, and then went on to talk about how stupid the government was for wasting 3 million dollars on studying the dna of bears.

Yes they are more in line with McCain. Polling even shows this. Most Americans support McCain's ideas for the economy such as opposition to the capital gains tax (which Obama supports), a gas tax holiday, drilling for oil within the United States, NAFTA (which Obama tries to show himself as a moderate opponent to it), the Bush tax cuts, etc. I've mentioned this to you before as well.

And McCain criticized spending $3 million to study bear DNA. He didn't vote for the bear DNA study. He voted for the bill that it was stupidly put into.

[hippie_hunter]

Why would they see it that way? Because of the things he's already said?


“I didn’t pay nearly the attention to those issues in the past.” [Jan. 2000]

“I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.” [Nov. 2005]

“The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should,” but “I’ve got Greenspan’s book.” [Dec. 2007]

True. He should have kept his mouth shut on that :o

[Überlibran]

True. He should have kept his mouth shut on that :oYep, especially when later he lied and stated that he never said that.

[Kelly]

Do you really believe that Kel? Seriously?

Am I willing to consider it Uber? yeah.....I am....................just like I was willing to consider that Obama had not heard all of the hate preaching that his pastor of 20 years had been preaching....


So yeah, I can consider that.......


Seriously.......:whatever:

[StorminNorman]

Lieberman and Romney would be good choices IMO.

Since Lieberman was formerly a Democrat, he can really fit into the moderate angle McCain wants and help get the independent vote. It can also help him with New Hampshire, the Jewish vote in Florida, and maybe even Connecticut since Lieberman is very popular in that state.


Lieberman helps with moderates, but it further hurts McCain with the core Republican base. Again - McCain needs not only the votes of the right, but the money and manpower. Picking Lieberman would be seen as another insult in their eyes.

Romney can help McCain out with the economic angle of the election since the economy is the forefront of the election, and even though most Americans agree with what McCain says, they trust Obama more for some reason with the economy and see it as McCain's weak point. He can also help taking Michigan since that is a close race there.

Romney is honestly the best all around pick for McCain. He helps with Republicans, he helps in key states (Michigan and Mormon rich Mountain West), he is an economic guru to balance out McCain's foriegn policy. McCain not picking Romney proves that he cares more about his ego than winning this election which is a bad sign for his campaign.

[rdh007]

Hair aside, Romney vs. Biden would make for good VP debates and they'd both be people you could take seriously in that role. (As opposed to Quayle or Stockdale or to some extent Bentsen--Gore was clearly the class of late 80s/early 90s veep candidates)

[StorminNorman]

No love for Jack Kemp? :lmao:

[Überlibran]

Am I willing to consider it Uber? yeah.....I am....................just like I was willing to consider that Obama had not heard all of the hate preaching that his pastor of 20 years had been preaching....


So yeah, I can consider that.......


Seriously.......:whatever:20 years of hate preaching? If you think that's what Jeremiah Wright preached, it's a little simplistic. If you're referring to 'goddamn america', sermon, I know you know this, but he's talking about the American government's moral failings to its people. I'm sure you've seen it in context but here it is for the folks who haven't: RvMbeVQj6LwI don't believe America is beyond reproach when it comes to being taken to task for it's failings. As they say, dissent can be the highest form of patriotism. And the tone of his sermon might seem angry for people who've never been to a black church, but it's common.

[StorminNorman]

20 years of hate preaching? If you think that's what Jeremiah Wright preached, it's a little simplistic. If you're referring to 'goddamn america', sermon, I know you know this, but he's talking about the American government's moral failings to its people. I'm sure you've seen it in context but here it is for the folks who haven't: RvMbeVQj6LwI don't believe America is beyond reproach when it comes to being taken to task for it's failings. As they say, dissent can be the highest form of patriotism. And the tone of his sermon might seem angry for people who've never been to a black church, but it's common.

I think Kel was more referencing the various anti-white sermons from Wright, over anything else.

Trying to defend Wright is a lost cause, sir.

[Überlibran]

I think Kel was more referencing the various anti-white sermons from Wright, over anything else.

Trying to defend Wright is a lost cause, sir. Not in my mind, the crazy thing it is :cwink:. You're referring to 'Hillary ain't never been called a ******' quote then? Well, it's true. But then again, John McCain has called his captors 'gooks' and has stated that he will 'always hate those gooks as long as I live' and people don't think this is necessarily racist because it was toward his captors, who were horrid, horrid men. But still, it casts an aspersion towards a whole race. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

[StorminNorman]

Not in my mind, the crazy thing it is :cwink:. You're referring to 'Hillary ain't never been called a ******' quote then? Well, it's true. But then again, John McCain has called his captors 'gooks' and has stated that he will 'always hate those gooks as long as I live' and people don't think this is necessarily racist because it was toward his captors, who were horrid, horrid men. But still, it casts an aspersion towards a whole race. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

I don't think McCain was referring to all Vietnamese people when he said "Gooks", only those who captured him.

[kainedamo]

I don't think McCain was referring to all Vietnamese people when he said "Gooks", only those who captured him.

So does this mean I can call black people I don't like the N word?

[StorminNorman]

So does this mean I can call black people I don't like the N word?

If you are beaten, and tortured by them? Yes, I think thats acceptable.

[hippie_hunter]

If you are beaten, and tortured by them? Yes, I think thats acceptable.

I wouldn't think acceptable, but understandable is more like it IMO.

[StorminNorman]

I wouldn't think acceptable, but understandable is more like it IMO.
I would agree with this.

[jaguarr]

So does this mean I can call black people I don't like the N word?

If you are beaten, and tortured by them? Yes, I think thats acceptable.

Can we have this put to the test?

jag

[kainedamo]

If you are beaten, and tortured by them? Yes, I think thats acceptable.

But its not acceptable for Wright to show the slightest inkling of bitterness?

What a double standard.

[The Senator]

I don't think it is acceptable or understandable at all to use a racial epithet to generalize an entire of race of people, simply because you were beaten and tortured by a few of their militants. Basically, McCain thinks that he can go around calling the Vietnamese "gooks" because he's entitled to. Because, like the way he approaches everything else, he was tortured for five years and that gives him a right to say and do just about everything he wants. He can up and leave his wife because she's not good enough, he can run for the Senate, and he can use a slur to describe an entire group of people. It shows how classless and tasteless this man really is, and highlights his vast arrogance.

[rdh007]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12619.html

If he announces his running mate in Ohio, that can mean only one man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Portman

or it could mean Boehner

[Marx]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12619.html

If he announces his running mate in Ohio, that can mean only one man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Portman

or it could mean Boehner

NOOO!!!! :cmad:

[rdh007]

Why? Would an Ohioan on the ticket leave you conflicted? Or lose your state?

[Marx]

Why? Would an Ohioan on the ticket leave you conflicted? Or lose your state?

It wouldn't leave me conflicted. I can't stand Boehner or Portman!

[The Senator]

Well, I don't know if it is definitely Portman. Considering Mitt Romney doesn't have a home state (he's disliked immensely in Massachusetts and he can barely call Michigan "Mitt Country"), McCain can pretty much make the announcement anywhere he pleases. Also, since McCain is apparently spending one of the following days in Pennsylvania, Tom Ridge could also be in the running. But Portman would make the most sense, considering Ohio is his homestate and he is an economic expert in that economically-stagnant state.

So I'm guessing Portman, Romney and Ridge are the top contenders.

[StorminNorman]

But its not acceptable for Wright to show the slightest inkling of bitterness?

What a double standard.
If Wright was personally addressing any men who acted hostile to him - that is one thing, that would be comparable.

Wright was painting an entire race with an evil brush - McCain was not.

[The Senator]

Wright was painting an entire race with an evil brush - McCain was not.

I fail to see how referring to an entire race of people as "gooks" isn't generalizing :huh: